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by Will Jones
13 November 2020 2:16 AM

Treasury Made No Forecast For Lockdown 2.0

SAGE say it’s not their job to take into account the economic impact of lockdown. It’s the Treasury’s job. Why then has the Treasury now admitted that it produced no forecasts in the run up to the second lockdown? Why did SAGE on September 21st claim they were in hand? These were the questions MPs put to Treasury officials on Wednesday. Kate Andrews in the Spectator has the details.

Chair of the Committee Mel Stride asked Clare Lombardelli, Chief Economic Adviser to the Treasury, to comment on specific economic analyses conducted around lockdown restrictions, ranging from the closure of pubs, gyms and restaurants to “circuit breakers” and working from home directives. It was quickly revealed that no analysis has been done.

Stride’s interest stemmed from SAGE meeting minutes dated September 21st, which referenced a “package of measures” that the Committee said “need to be adopted to reverse [the] exponential rise in cases”. These included some of the more radical measures implemented during the first lockdown, including changes to “working from home” rules, banning contact between households, the closure of hospitality and leisure sectors, and even the return of a (shorter) lockdown. In the minutes, SAGE states that the economic impact of these measures was being modelled by the Treasury: “Policy makers will need to consider analysis of economic impacts and the associated harms alongside this epidemiological assessment. This work is underway under the auspices of the Chief Economist.”

In yesterday’s session, Lombardelli revealed that no such work was ever underway. The impact of the specific restrictions on the economy were not forecast or predicted by the Treasury before they came into force: “As the Chancellor set out in Parliament last week, we haven’t done a specific prediction or forecast of the restrictions… what we do is ongoing policy that feeds into decisions ministers take, which they consider alongside the health impacts, the social impacts, and they also consider the economic impact.”

Without this analysis and these forecasts, what was the basis on which the Government was weighing up whether to shut down the country again?

The Treasury’s lack of forecasting does not mean Chancellor Rishi Sunak would have been without any data when in discussions with the Prime Minister and other senior Cabinet figures about lockdown. Lombardelli notes the Treasury has been compiling forecasts done by other bodies, including the Office for Budget Responsibility and the Bank of England.

But yesterday’s admission from the Chief Economist calls into question the priorities of the Treasury: the Sage minutes are dated over a month before England’s second lockdown was announced, giving the Treasury at least four weeks (though the minutes imply longer) to forecast the impact of specific lockdown measures on the economy. That the institution did not produce any forecasts or predictions also raises serious questions about the extent to which the economic implications of such radical measures were considered before the Government brought them in.

Worth reading in full.

Why Does Europe’s “Second Wave” Have Almost No Excess Deaths?

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1326994958226759680?s=20

Lockdown Sceptics regular Dr Clare Craig pointed out on Twitter last night that there’s a discrepancy in Europe between the number of “cases” (positive tests), the number of “Covid deaths” (validated with a positive test) and the number of excess deaths, i.e., there are plenty of the former two, but excess deaths in autumn 2020 are close to the five-year average.

“We are in a false positive pseudo epidemic,” she concludes.

Hard to disagree.

“Victoria in Lockdown Resembled 1970s East Germany More Than a Liberal Democracy”

A friend and life-long Melbournian writes of his despair at the state of his home state under the rule of Kim-Jong Dan.

I am increasingly sad about the prospects for Victoria in the next decade. The political leadership this year has highlighted a number of trends built up over some 20 years under Labour governments with characteristics to the left of their federal and interstate counterparts, and not dealt with by the few weak state coalition governments. It is now evident that Victoria in lockdown resembled 1970s East Germany more than a liberal democracy, and most Victorians seem happy with that. The public service seems stuffed at the top with overpaid and sinecured people whose values and principles are far from what public service should be. This is evident in all sorts of ways that line up with the current Government’s totalitarian agenda of emergency legislation removing basic liberties, bypassing Cabinet, largely side-lining Parliament, setting up a pathetically tame inquiry to investigate, ignoring human rights protections, destruction of the Country Fire Authority, destruction of the hardwood timber industry threatened, etc., not to mention meekly signing on to China’s Belt & Road influence. While the lockdown-induced anger may achieve a change of government in 2022, unravelling the mess is likely to be nearly impossible. At the least it will require the reinstitution of values of public sector independence and robust accountability mechanisms. There is not enough widespread pushback, and while there is critique across most of the media it is muted (Kevin Rudd is upset about Murdoch media influence – perhaps the others could raise their game).  

Postcard From East Fife

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Lockdown Sceptics reader Dean Fraser has sent us a postcard from north of the border and tells of a world that freedom has abandoned under the rule of Nic Sturge-On.

You could almost have been forgiven for thinking we weren’t living in a dystopian nightmare up here in the Kingdom of Fife. Because back in April and May this year you could not have witnessed anything more spectacularly bucolic. The picturesque, almost leafy country lanes. The tractors, ever so gently meandering and bobbing through partially ploughed fields. Hares darting, for what seemed like their lives, from still motionless ‘lies’ on the brown earth, or females fending off randy jacks (“not at the moment mate, thanks”). The birds, squirting into hedge rows, and then into trees – beaks full. And let’s not forget the farmhouses and cottages, releasing small wisps of smoke via the chimneys up into the blue still skies. My God, like something out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (the weather, all over the UK, was glorious, then).

We cycled along main roads, with virtually no traffic, having to pinch ourselves to properly recall what kind of hell this was.

Worth reading in full.

“COVID-19 is a Force Largely Beyond the State’s Control”

Lockdown Sceptics contributor Guy de la Bédoyère has a letter in the New Statesman this week on the conceit of the tyrannical efforts to “defeat” and “control” the virus.

When Simon Heffer quotes Enoch Powell – “the supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils” – he slightly misses the main point (“A crisis of statesmanship”, November 6th). Most human beings have always been prepared to sacrifice some of their autonomy in return for leadership that provides a buffer against disorder, famine and fear. This is, and always has been, the contract between the state and the people.

COVID-19 is a force largely beyond the state’s control; many governments, especially ours, have tried to convince us otherwise. They have used fear as a weapon and promised salvation in return for unprecedented losses of freedom. They have failed to deliver, mainly because they cannot rein in a natural phenomenon on this scale.

No government has found a permanent solution, even New Zealand. Their current virus-free state is no better than a mirage and has been bought at the price of isolation from the rest of the world. Our own Government has offered mainly time-buying slogans and glib promises. It has preferred to listen only to a small cabal of well-paid and securely employed scientists who seem incapable of contextualising the problem and the collateral effects of their solutions on the wider health and well-being of the population.

Perhaps this week’s exciting news about a vaccine will turn the tide at last, but it will be no thanks to governments and the games they have played, and the damage they have done to public trust.

Jailed By The Covid Stasi For Painting A Pub

A retired police officer and Lockdown Sceptics reader found himself thrown in jail when he dared engage in some lawful voluntary labour during the last lockdown.

At 5.30pm the police arrived. One constable and five PCSOs. They first entered the private accommodation of the landlord by saying they had power to enter under the Coronavirus Regulation.

(First mistake. No such power existed at the time.)

They then entered the pub, bodycams whirring. I don’t know what they were hoping to find but they must have been bitterly disappointed. There was no furniture in the place and there was no alcohol being consumed. It would have been obvious even to the chronically thick that the place was being renovated. People were working drills etc. in hand. The landlord was carted off to a separate room to be interrogated by the constable.

The PCSOs were deployed to take everyone’s name and address. Kate dutifully gave her name and address.

PCSO: “What’s your telephone number?”

Kate: “I’m not giving you that.”

PCSO: “What if we need to ring you?”

Kate: “Why on earth would I want you to ring me?”

We’ve given this one a permanent home on the right-hand side under “Are the Police Being Too Authoritarian?”. Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: A couple in Yorkshire have been stripped of their pub licence under Covid lockdown laws for giving out free drinks on Remembrance Sunday to people paying their respects at the war memorials in the village. They told the Mail:

People going to or returning from the memorials were welcome to stop on the pavement and raise a glass, both to the fallen and indeed to the late landlord, Andrew Henstock [an ex-serviceman].

We never dreamt this might be against either the letter or the spirit of the law – these were drinks we provided, not the pub. Some people took their drinks to the smoking shelter at the rear of the building when three vans of police turned up.

This severe response to a gesture of goodwill is in stark contrast to the soft treatment given to the highly disrespectful Extinction Rebellion protest at the Cenotaph. As Spiked say, Britain has become “a state where Covid means protesting is banned, unless it’s the right kind of protest, in which case the police will turn a blind eye or even endorse it”.

“The Only Thing Lockdowns Do Is Make Us All Poorer”

Lockdown sceptic Sir Desmond Swayne MP, a member of the new Covid Recovery Group (CRG) of Conservative MPs – now 70 strong – appeared on Julia Hartley Brewer’s show on talkRADIO yesterday morning. Watch him here. Also Lord Sumption here, and Dr Clare Craig here. A sceptical bonanza!

Stop Press: Sceptic legend Professor Sucharit Bhakdi appeared on the TRIGGERnometry podcast, asking: Are we being told the truth about COVID-19? Listen here.

“Cases” All Over the Place

UK positive tests

Imperial’s REACT study is now showing R fell below 1 before lockdown, bringing it into line with KCL’s ZOE app, which yesterday reported R at 0.9. On the other hand, yesterday saw a record number of “cases”: 33,470 reported, up by more than 10,000, or 46%, on the day before. Unusually, Stephen Powis, the NHS Medical Director speaking at the Downing Street briefing downplayed the rise, saying it is important to look at the seven-day average, which is about 22,000, rather than one day. Is Project Fear on pause for a moment? Worth noting that testing was also at record levels yesterday, which may be part of the explanation.

The positivity rate dropped last week for the first time since July. Meanwhile, acute respiratory infections are still trending well below the baseline according to the Emergency Department Syndromic Surveillance System (EDSSS) that monitors emergency hospital attendance. A pretty ordinary autumn so far – save for the totalitarian Government, of course.

Acute respiratory infections still well below baseline. pic.twitter.com/JfXyZsTGqa

— datatosee.com (@dontbetyet) November 12, 2020

Round-Up

  • “Dominic Cummings to leave role as PM’s chief adviser by end of the year” – The Vote Leave veteran and controversial senior Government adviser is to follow his chum Lee Cain out the door, reports Sky News
  • “Ticketmaster says fans may need proof they’ve had the vaccine or a negative Covid test result to attend concerts and sports games when they return” – The Mail reports on the ever-extending creep of the optional compulsory vaccine
  • “We have one last chance to stop Britain’s descent into a post-Covid socialist nightmare” – Allister Heath in the Telegraph on the risk that changes to British attitudes to freedom and the state this year become embedded
  • “Deadly toll of care homes ban: Halting visits is linked to 5,000 EXTRA dementia deaths in nursing units, figures reveal” – The Mail on yet more deaths caused by lockdown
  • “False-positive COVID-19 results: hidden problems and costs” – Good article in the Lancet on the problems with improper use of PCR tests
  • “England test-and-trace system hit by ‘huge’ IT problems last month” – 48 hour delays in contacting vulnerable contacts, the Guardian reports
  • “The secret thoughts of a GP in lockdown” – A London GP speaks from frontline experience of the scandal that is the National Covid Service, in the Telegraph
  • “NHS waiting times show backlog caused by coronavirus” – Report in the Times that there were 139,545 people who had been waiting more than a year for treatment in September 2020 compared to 1,305 in September 2019, a 100-fold increase
  • “Barnardo’s should know better about ‘white privilege’” – Patrick West in the Spectator on the pernicious wokery of a charity that looks after children in care telling them they have “white privilege”. Surely that’s a form of abuse?
  • “Lifetime pub ban for Warrington MP who backed 10pm curfew” – The pubs strike back, on BBC News
  • “Man Who Rammed Police Station in Car ‘Snapped’ After £10,000 Covid Fine” – Report from Breitbart on a man who resorted to criminal violence after reportedly being hit with the maximum lockdown penalty
  • “This ‘travel ban’ is not legally enforceable and at odds with our human rights” – Barrister Francis Hoar makes the legal case against travel restrictions in the Telegraph
  • “MS drug almost halves hospitalised patients’ risk of severe Covid symptoms” – Some good news for those battling the severe form of the disease, in the Telegraph
  • “Coronavirus could infect rats, mice and ferrets and become a ‘revolving door virus’ which keeps mutating” – SAGE member and director of the Wellcome Trust Sir Jeremy Farrar says that SARS-CoV-2 is “now part of humanity, it is an endemic infection now, and I don’t think it’s going to go away”, in the Telegraph

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, Toby in his latest Spectator column wonders whether under the proposed hate crime laws his children won’t turn on him, at least for blackmail purposes.

If Humza Yousaf has his way, there will be less free speech in Scotland than anywhere else in Europe – but not for long. The Law Commission of England and Wales has proposed that we pass a similar law. Actually, I say “similar” but in some respects the Commission’s proposals are even worse. Andrew Tettenborn, a law professor at Swansea University, describes the 533-page ‘consultation’ as “the Scottish Hate Crime Bill on steroids”. For instance, the Commission wants to make ‘sex and gender’ protected characteristics. It proposes that a vast array of groups and subcultures should be given similarly special status, including ‘migrants’, ‘asylum seekers’, ‘asexuals’, ‘non-binary people’, ‘cross-dressers’, ‘goths’, ‘punks’ and ‘sex workers’. And it wants to ban ‘inflammatory cartoons’, particularly ‘Islamophobic cartoons’. Talk about handing a victory to terrorism!

Like Humza Yousaf, the Law Commission wants to remove the ‘dwelling exemption’ from the Public Order Act 1986, meaning people could be prosecuted for stirring up hatred in their own homes. Toby recounts his efforts to explain the full horror of this to his four children.

“If this becomes law, one of you could call the police and have me arrested if I call your mother a whore,” I said. “Not that I would, obviously, but you get the point.”

They got the point all right. Suddenly, they began rubbing their hands with glee.

“So how much will you pay me not to tell the police what you’ve said about Black Lives Matter?” asked my 13-year-old son Freddie.

I began to explain that nothing I’d said about the unashamedly Marxist group which wants to defund the police came remotely close to an offence under the Public Order Act, when I was forced to reconsider. After all, if Darren Grimes can be investigated by the Met for ‘stirring up hatred’ against black people simply for publishing an interview with David Starkey, maybe the police would be interested if Freddie told them my views of BLM. That is, if the Law Commission gets its way and you can be charged with ‘hate speech’ for something you say in private and not just in public.

Funny as well as disturbing. Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Dr Radomir Tylecote, the Research Director of the Free Speech Union, has produced a briefing doc about the Law Commission’s proposals that you can find here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Just don’t meet up with Van Tam. He’ll infect you with a super-virulent scary- variant of acute cretinism.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
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And I am a genuine maiden rich in Girton lore!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
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Worse than that, he might tempt you to sell your soul to the Devil. And he’s probably not fun company.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
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😆

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
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Van Tam, Bill Gates and Michael Gove, they’ll none of them be missed… they’re going on my list.

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ExEcologist
ExEcologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s getting to be a bloody long list. Are you sharpening your snicker snacker snee, ready for some chippy chippy chop?

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

How safe were we anyway? Here is the basis I have been working on.

Officially,127,480 covid-19 deaths in the UK. This includes (but may not be limited to) any death within 28 days of a positive pcr test; deaths from people (Muslims for example) who were buried before they could have a proper autopsy but were put as covid-19 to be on the safe side; people who showed one or more of the symptoms associated with covid-19 when they died; people in care homes etc. who were put as covid-19 for reasons of convenience or duplicity.

So obviously the number who have died of covid-19 is significantly less than the official figure – but how much less? I am assuming at least 25% less, and possibly less than half the official figure. Are there any highest/lowest/probable estimates?

Then there is total deaths and total respiratory deaths for the year. My understanding is that total deaths for 2020 were about 68,0000 higher than expected, with the most deaths, adjusted for age and population, since 2008. However, some of those extra deaths were caused by lockdowns and related measures – were there many more respiratory deaths than usual? were there actually significant numbers of respiratory deaths over what would be expected after the Spring outbreak?

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
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150k deaths in around 28mio?

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
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I like the logic you’ve used but I think your rate is out by a factor of 100. Another thing you could say is taking Ioanniddis’s latest estimate of IFR 0.15%, based on 40% of the population being infected, the “real” number of deaths is more like 40k than 150k.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
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If I have a body and an antibody, will they cancel out?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
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It was manufactured hysteria right from the word go! There never was a pandemic just a politically motivated one and the gullible people fell for it. We should be maskless and walking around freely, going off on holidays and enjoying our lives, but we are not, which should scream at people that the problem lies with a government hooked on the power buzz and unwilling to release the people from their prison.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
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There was a ‘pandemic‘ – but only because the severity of the disease had been conveniently removed from the definition.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
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No pandemic, but there were more deaths than usual in April weren’t there, presumably because of some sort of bug going round?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
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“– but how much less?”

Best estimates are c. 1/5th are actually from Covid.

Into the risk equation, you have to feed (1) the chances of physically coming across an genuinely infective individual and (2) the chances of catching that infection within the particular circumstances. The chances are minute.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
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So a lot less! Thinking about it, not that surprising. More deaths than usual in Spring, but for a relatively short period. More deaths than usual going into nAutumn/Winter, but not a huge amount more – and some of those caused by the restrictions (and vaccines?).

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Incredibly safe?
It’s completely, totally, perfectly, absolutely safe for 67 million vaccinated and unvaccinated people to meet up!!!!

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LS99
LS99
4 years ago

I’d never heard of Joe Rogan but looking at that Twitter thread … really, really depressing.

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Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago
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There is Twitter, and then again there is reality.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
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Joe Rogan is is great, a bit shouty for me and his podcasts are too long but he is as far removed from woke as you can imagine.

The only reason snowflakes would view his site would be to find something to be offended about.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

If widespread antibody testing had taken place this time last year, I wonder what the results would have been?

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Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago
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suppressed by now.

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LS99
LS99
4 years ago

Driving isn’t safe either.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
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used to be, back when they had a 4mph speed limit. I’m with the London to Brighton peo0ple though!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

It’s like well safe innit.

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TORs
TORs
4 years ago

In other news… The Director of Communications of the World Health Organization, Gabriella Stern (https://twitter.com/gabbystern), was formerly Director of Media and External Relations at — wait for it — the Bill & MelindaGates Foundation (https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/6118/2016-01-12/wsjs-stern-gates-foundation-pr-slot.html)

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Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago

Time for a judicial review of the Secretary of State’s view that there is a public health situation justifying any measures, seeking an order to quash (invalidate) any restrictions as unreasonable and ultra vires.

But that assumes that the judiciary aren’t fully signed up to tyranny.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

Can’t they just do what they want since they started that politicised “supreme court” nonsense? Thank you very much, Mr. Blair.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

why I can’t emphasise enough, be careful what you say on here. Remember the film of 1984? They tried to join the resistance, but found they’d been had by the state. No doubt in years to come, it will turn out that the state were up to all sorts (perhaps details about the 77th will come out one of these days!). Though I have a nasty feeling they already know quite a lot about us.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago

So pleased by the Robert Dingwall piece. I am so glad he keeps trying to cut through the hysteria, he’s been trying for so long and I am thankful he hasn’t given up. Every day I come to this site looking for hope and sometimes if find it.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“The ZOE Study’s analysis of vaccine efficacy and side-effects based on data from 627,383 ZOE contributors. They learned that around one in four people experience mild side effects, the most common being headaches, fatigue and tenderness around the injection site”

Well – I obviously haven’t done proper sampling, but the opportunity sample that I have knowledge of has side effects nearer 2 to 3 in 4, and severe fever has been a large proportion.

This may be due to the fact that the Zoe figures, too, are derived from a non-random sample of younger individuals.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You last sentence reminded me to update readers of the progress in La Belle Francaise.
Nothing, nada, that is the number of positive tests ( cases) have peaked a fallen a smidgen, the number of hospitalisations/ ICU beds after positive test have peaked and fallen a smidgen, its still concentrated on Paris and the N East.
But this has prompted the Govt to announce ending restrictions on time for the May month of ‘bridging’ holidays. No geographical restrictions from 3 May, restaurants/cafes open for terraces 16 May and end of month for internal use. Vax certificates etc ruled out for any of this, possible use for large concerts in the summer. Border controls waiting for the Schengen/EU ‘green card’. Which means in practice that Antigen and PCR tests will apply for reentry from countries that allow you to get there in the first place. Emergency Legislation probably not renewed from 3 May , but for 6 months a sort of muddle, sorry middle path which would allow govt to take ‘measures’ if things ‘get out of hand’.
Re your Zoe comment, the French PCR tests have been concentrated on the 20-40 yr old group, and so that age group so now the most infected. Its just a testademic.
The all cause death rate for 2021 is mapping along the 2019 line almost exactly, indeed weirdly following monthly ‘bumps’. Obviously disease/deaths in France follows the monthly holiday pattern like the rest of the economy.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Do infections stop between midday and 2 p.m. while the virus has lunch?

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Its a very polite and well behaved virus, so I think you will be correct. In the same way it doesn’t infect when you are sitting down and eating or drinking, only when walking to or from the table. There are many other examples.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Ah yes, the region where they are still “vaccinating” over-75’s (by my calculations).

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“Let us pray the Christian ‘Dunkirk Spirit’ saves us from sinister science”

I reckon the Dunkirk spirit went out the window ages ago. To extend the analogy – the inhabitants have been standing on the dockside welcoming the invaders with tea and homemade cakes.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

There was a national day of prayer before the miracle of Dunkirk. Any common enterprise that would unite the nation these days? (Don’t tell me – panic buying?). The Gerries were said to be welcoming our D-Day Dodgers with tea in Italy! 🙂

. I tell you, their generation would have sorted this out.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

He’s been told he appeals to the ‘Corrie-watching’ set, so he tries to use what he thinks are their idioms, just makes him look and sound like an idiot.

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Amari
Amari
4 years ago

Britain is “well on the way to herd immunity”?? I am convinced we reached herd immunity back in the peak of infections a year ago.

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Amari
Amari
4 years ago

I hate this safetyism in our society – it’s driving me crazy! Message in Asda: “if you have any concerns about safety, please speak to a member of our staff.” Sainsburys: “we are doing all that we can to keep you safe.” On the tube: “wear a covering over your nose and mouth. It’s there to protect us all.” In the toilets: “Please do not use this hand basin for everyone’s safety.” ararghghghghghgh!!!!

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