Former Conservative Defence Minister Tobias Ellwood MP has made the astonishing claim that changes in sea temperature due to climate change have severely limited Britain’s effectiveness as a naval power. Last week he told Talk TV that “our Type-45 destroyers can now not operate in parts of the world because the water is now too warm now because the engines can’t stay cool”. Did Ellwood let slip a major defence secret in that British warships shut down when local temperatures rise a degree or two, or did he just don a sandwich board and mangle a story to promote a dystopian Net Zero collectivist project? In other words, is he a knave, or just a bit of a berk?
Ellwood was being interviewed on Talk TV’s lunchtime CrossTalk programme following the fiasco at COP28. Your own correspondent was also invited to appear, and the segment can be viewed below starting at around 1hr 52 mins. Time was short and the Conservative MP used it to repeat the rarely challenged mantras that the climate was in crisis, and humanity faced an existential threat. And, it seems, state-of-the-art warships costing hundreds of millions of pounds are apparently immobilised by local weather.
So can the British navy only rule the waves if the sea temperature remains more or less constant? In fact, Ellwood could be referencing a story back to 2016 when it was discovered that Type-45 destroyers stopped working in waters much warmer than Portsmouth harbour. At the time, this was seen as a major design fault. Far from being connected to climate change, it was simply a matter of the installation of the wrong kit, notably a vital turbine intercooler. At the time, the Daily Mail explained that the design fault meant two Rolls Royce turbines slowed down in warmer waters such as the Persian Gulf, and they could not generate sufficient power to run the ship. As a short term fix, all six Type-45 vessels were fitted with extra back-up diesel generators.
Perhaps Ellwood, who was chairman of the Parliamentary Defence Select Committee from 2020-2023, did not get the memo from the Department of Defence in September 2022, noting that HMS Dauntless was back at base after three months testing her new engines “to the limit”. The trials were said to have “gone well”, and delivered a ship “which is now faster, more reliable, greener and ready to embark future weapons”. Again, the question must be asked: Is Ellwood simply making up climate scare stories on a congested TV slot knowing there is no time for him to be pressed on the matter, or does he know something about these trials that is not public knowledge?
One suspects the former since climate alarmists have long become used to spouting doomsday tall tales without the need to explain the science or their underlying political motives. Francis Menton from the Manhattan Contrarian recently wrote about the motives of many energy transition and climate change advocates. As between the options that the advocate is completely incompetent or an intentional fraudster, it might be better to be merely incompetent. “However, often the misdirection is so blatant that it borders on impossible to believe that the author could be so stupid as to actually believe what he or she is saying”, he observed.
The situation is only likely to get worse in the wake of the COP28 fiasco and a growing realisation among general populations that Net Zero is an insane objective that will cause massive economic and societal harm across the world. Dr. Friederike Otto peers into her crystal ball climate model and claims to be able to link individual weather events to long-term changes in the climate. Commenting on COP28, she said, “with every vague verb, every empty promise in the final text, millions of people will enter the frontline of climate change and many will die”. Meanwhile the Guardian reports that some scientists are calling for the power to prescribe climate policy. This power would extend to overseeing policy implementation in the 195 states signed up to COP. Sonia Seneviratne, an IPCC vice chair and co-ordinating lead author since 2012, said: “As climate change becomes worse and worse, it is becoming more difficult to be policy relevant without being prescriptive”.
There is democratic push back against Net Zero in many countries, but the U.K. is singularly ill-served by its current political representatives. Conservative MPs like Tobias Ellwood are fully supportive of the collectivist project, and share many of the society-changing, woke goals of the opposition Labour party. It is no surprise that Ellwood, along with hundreds of clueless MPs, spout climate tosh on every occasion, and have happily nodded through some of the most prescriptive and destructive Net Zero laws on the planet.
Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor
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Good work Chris. More nails into the coffin of the anti-science, anti-reality Climate Cult. Fraud, deception, censorship. So much $cience. I doubt that even the Sheeple will believe that 20 parts per million human emitted plant food, most of which is recycled, causes El Nino.
Oh, they’ll claim it all right, simply to try and maintain the narrative, i.e, save face. At some point though, the populous will wake up.
Chris, any thoughts on cloud seeding and the odd trail patterns observed in the sky from time to time?
“We have experienced three strong El Niños in the last 25 years – 1998, 2016 and 2023”. In fact, the NOAA graph of the Multivariate ENSO Index shows the 2023 El Nino to be relatively puny, less than that of 2009 for example. I believe that the unprecedented spike in global temperatures in 2023 was due mainly to the 2022 Hunga Tonga undersea volcanic eruption which spewed massive quantities of water vapour, the most powerful greenhouse gas, high into the stratosphere.
Establishment meteorological authorities (e.g. the UK Met Office), the MSM and social media, politicians, COP28 activists and NGOs have conspired to suppress all news and views on Hunga Tonga which goes against the man-made global warming narrative in order to continue their puerile pretence that every rise in global temperatures is due to man-made CO2 emissions, no matter the true cause.
For more, search for:
Joel Smalley substack, Net Zero climate change broadside
Chris seems to have a problem in his logic circuits. El Niño is not considered to be an effect of climate change. It is a partial short term alternative contribution to high temperatures. So lack of an El Niño is not any kind of evidence against climate change. What will be telling is if high temperatures persist despite the end of the El Niño.
Nothing wrong with Mr Morrison’s logic circuits:
‘Niño is a natural transfer of heat between the oceans and the atmosphere that starts in the Pacific regions. The effects of an El Niño are far from completely understood but they are essentially large heat transfers from the tropics to the northern hemisphere.’
But definitely something wrong with logic circuits in other circles (cults) as this article makes clear to anyone taking the time to read it:
‘……these…sudden spikes in ocean temperatures and unusual weather events……have been ruthlessly catastrophised by activist scientists, politicians and journalists seeking to nudge citizens to accept the collectivist Net Zero agenda.’
Apologies. That should read ‘Nut Zero agenda’
That’s not the point.
It is absolutely true that El Nino is one of the causes of sudden spikes in ocean temperatures and unusual weather events. And when these things happen they are sometimes ascribed to climate change. It doesn’t follow that the end of an El Nino is somehow evidence against climate change. In fact quite the reverse. If the El Nino finishes and high temperatures and unusual weather event persist then it cannot be the cause and it becomes more plausible that climate change is the cause.
“it becomes more plausible that furiously flapping pigs is the cause”
fixed it for you.
The difference being that there is a recognised causal chain from increasing GHGs to temperature rises and unusual weather events. Note that even sceptical scientists such as Roy Spencer, Judith Curry and Roger Pielke recognise this – they just dispute its extent and significance. As far as I know, you are the first person to introduce the flapping pigs hypothesis.
Everything plays some role. But on this issue we are confronted with the insistence that there is a “climate crisis” and a “climate emergency” and that millions will die, millions will migrate to Europe etc, and that none of this will occur if we simply decarbonise by 2050 even as the rest of the world doesn’t ——–This is as tall a tale as I ever heard and is totally evidence free.
And that’s it. There is ‘recognised, i.e., belief, and proven, i.e. evidence. The former abounds in great quantity, but the latter is still playing hide & seek.
Good come-back. I appreciate the dry humour.
Let’s constrain ourselves to the question of whether reducing carbon dioxide emissions will have an impact on the weather, and if it does whether that is a bad thing.
Of course, even if you could show that reducing GHGs was a good thing, possibly even a very good thing, then you still have to prove that the cost of reducing GHGs was acceptable. It very much is not and if the developing world is to, well, develop, then cheap energy, which means fossil fuels, needs to expand, not just a bit, but hugely. It is very much worth nothing here also that development is a precondition for being able to adapt to changing patterns.
Lastly, I’m very much in the camp of ‘no collective decision making for any reason whatsoever’, as any reason WILL be used disingenuously by those waiting in the wings of society for a chance to wield power.
I appreciate your politeness. I am afraid I am not going to play any more. You have really opened up every aspect of the climate change debate and that is more than I can digest right now.
Totally unscientific idea I had yesterday: Considering that some amount of plants end up turning into coal and other so-called fossil fuels, thus permanently withdrawing some amount of carbon from the atmosphere, could it be that life is not stable on this planet and that eventually, everything will die because of asphyxation unless an effort is made to restore this carbon to the atmosphere?
Well constructed.
I suspect the earth is on an elliptical orbit around the sun and its axis it not aligned with that of the star. That’s why we get Deadly Heatwaves® every year, the non-trademarked name of these being summer.
If El Nino is a naturally occuring thing why do you call the weather events it creates “unusual weather events”? ——Surely they are natural weather events created by a natural phenomenon. You just let a bit of confirmation bias slip into your language there.
Unusual is not the opposite of natural. Think about it.
But you are implying the events are unusual and purely as result of humans. Why do you class something that happens all the time “unusual” —-Activists cannot help themselves.
But you are implying the events are unusual and purely as result of humans.
Not at all. Some are. Some are not.
Why do you class something that happens all the time “unusual” —-
I don’t. What makes you think I do?
Do a little thought experiment. —–Just imagine humans don’t exist and so there was no Industrial revolution and no human emissions of greenhouse gasses. —-In that world there would still be El Nino’s. But you said that this causes “unusual weather”——-You said this” It is absolutely true that El Nino is one of the causes of sudden spikes in ocean temperature and unusual weather events”. ——If these events happen all the time as result of something called El Nino that is entirely natural then whatever it is that occurs is not at all “unusual” is it? So why are you calling something “unusual” when it isn’t?
This is precisely where the muddle starts.
You say Mr Morrison’s logic circuits have a problem, insinuating that he is arguing that the end of an El Nino is evidence against climate change.
Quite clearly, he is not.
His point is that Nut Zero jobs have ascribed El Nino effects to climate change caused by human activity.
He mentions that UAH temperature records confirm the El Nino effect.
Maybe unusual weather events, higher temperatures, will occur in the future, quite separate from El Nino.
We very much look forward to you keeping us updated; but, for the moment, if it’s OK with you, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, many of us will continue to argue that the Nut Zero agenda is total and complete lunacy.
Yes and actually the entire climate system exists to distribute heat about the planet.
Can you specify which climate has changed please? As there are specific characterizations of all of the Earth’s 30 or so climates, such as Hot, Arid; or Polar, then what are the characteristics of Earth’s climate that need protecting?
Good question and I am waiting for the answer. ——tick tock tick tock
The article was about El Niño effects being (ab-)used as evidence of man-made climate change or rather, the upcoming problem of finding an alternate source of convenient weather events, always due to climate change except when they’re not suitable for that. In this case, they’re “just weather”, as per the usual have-cake-and-logic: Whatever happens is only relevant when it fits in our preconceived theories about what should have happened. Actual events can prove us right but never wrong.
“If high temperatures persist”———Persist relative to what?. ——The temperature record is a dogs breakfast of adjusted and manipulated data. Then ofcourse just because something warms does not mean humans warmed it. There have been very similar warm periods before eg 1920’s and 30’s before we were emitting much in the way of CO2. —-The climate complex assumes a lot of stuff. This isn’t science. It is politics or “Official science”
If global temperatures stay high when the El Nino wanes it will be due to the continuing impact of the Hunga Tonga undersea volcanic eruption, see my comment above (currently second-best rated).
There are three main reasons why 2023 was much hotter than 2022:
Notice I don’t include climate change because that applies to 2022 as well. What climate change does is explain why the 2023 temperature was higher than expected given all these effects. To see if the other three explain the observed temperatures you have to do the sums which are extremely difficult, require a computer, and cause opponents to shout “model”. I am sorry but there is no short cut. Once you do the sums you find that these three together are not sufficient to explain the observed temperature.
There’s one reason why some average of temperatures readings calculated in 2023 was higher than an average of different temperature readings calculated in 2022: The people doing the calculations want that. The calculation is nonsense and there’s no reason why anyone should seek to explain its result by speculating about the effects of some random set of natural events we happen to know about.
But the sums aren’t done very well, are they…..
‘For more than 20 years climate scientists—virtually alone among scientific disciplines—have used TLS to estimate anthropogenic GHG signal coefficients despite its tendency to be unreliable unless some strong assumptions hold that in practice are unlikely to be true.’
‘……why is the TLS so popular in physics-related applications? Good question! My guess is because it keeps generating answers that climatologists like and they have no incentive to come to terms with its weaknesses. But you don’t have to step far outside climatology to find genuine bewilderment that people use it instead of IV.’
Climate attribution method overstates “fingerprints” of external forcing, Ross McKitrick Dec 2023
That’s a pretty obscure technical point. Many years ago I exchanged e-mails with McKitrick (via a friend of his). He is inclined to get a bit obsessed with relatively unimportant academic points (in this case it was his claim that all types of average are equally relevant to climate change).
Or not really
‘despite its tendency to be unreliable unless some strong assumptions hold that in practice are unlikely to be true.’
In other words assumptions made that are nonsense on stilts dressed up as science.
As the man said: ‘…you don’t have to step far outside climatology to find genuine bewilderment…..because it keeps generating answers that climatologists like and they have no incentive to come to terms with its weaknesses.’
Dodgy assumptions:
‘…..most of the climate alarmism is based on unrealistic scenarios like (shared socioeconomic pathway) SSP5-8.5 and SSP3-7.0, which result in overestimation of future projected warming
…..the Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) should be between 1 and 3 °C. Unfortunately, the IPCC AR6 relied heavily on Global Climate models with ECS ranging between 2.5 and 4 °C (likely range), which overestimates future projected warming.
models expect that the troposphere will warm faster than the surface, not less. As a result, the warming rate of surface temperature records should be questioned. In this case, all CMIP6 GCMs (Global Climate Models) are running “too hot,” indicating a very low actual value of ECS (1-2 °C)
‘……a vast body of research indicates that the CMIP6 GCMs are incapable of reproducing natural climate variability because they ignore multiple well-known climatic cycles at all time scales. There is a quasi-millennial climate oscillation with a likely solar origin that characterizes the entire Holocene and is responsible for the well-documented Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, which models are unable to reproduce (as timidly acknowledged by the IPCC AR6 figure 3.2).
Other natural oscillations were also detected, such as the quasi-60-year oscillation seen in the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation signal, as well as many other oscillations classified as solar/astronomically driven in previous studies.
While GCMs suggest that over 100% of the observed warming is manmade, these oscillations could have contributed significantly to the warming recorded in the twentieth century. Introducing cyclical natural variability predicts low ECS values (1-2 °C) and that the GCMs grossly underestimate the solar impact on climate.’
Nicola Scafetta Dec 2023
I think you will find McKitrick suggested that when it comes to averaging of climate data that it would be difficult to know which averaging type to choose. He also pointed out that when it comes to averaging, some things loose their meaning when you average them and temperature is one of those things.
Yes that was it. It is many years ago so I can’t remember or find the details but I vividly remember thinking this man is a bit divorced from reality. However, without the relevant details to hand it is not worth pursuing.
“This leads to sudden spikes in ocean temperatures and unusual weather events.”
Small correction please.
“This leads to sudden spikes in ocean temperatures and changes in weather events.”
I note a passing reference to the Chuckle Brother Doppelganger Jim Dale. He even sounds like them except his proclamations are more preposterous, espousing as he does, the ‘tipping point’ (scaremongering) belief. He doubtless honed his presentational ‘skills’ in the RN and now is a ‘hired gun’ for the AGW brigade, heading up as he does the somewhat grandiosely titled ‘British Weather Services’ (which he founded). Risible!
Dale is a recipient of millions in renewable subsidies, about £100 million so far.
Can you give more info on that, or is it parody?
Are you thinking of the other unflushable, Dale Vince?
Hurrah! Our ruthless exporting of jobs, manufacturing and carbon emissions to China is working!
On another note, Prof Cliff Mass should really be a geologist rather than an atmospheric scientist.
https://thenewconservative.co.uk/net-zero-nuts/
And this piece by Roger Watson at The New Conservative is the perfect accompaniment to the Nut Zero lies.
If TPTB can’t be bothered why should we although in fairness Dr Watson does admit to sharing the conviction that climate change blah, blah, blah is a load of Bollox?
Dale and McCarthy.——- The Alias Smith and Jones of mainstream climate advocacy news programs. Two activists that are like a hammer that sees everything as a nail. They claim at all times certainty where none exists. They take themselves so seriously and are convinced with the huge dose of confirmation bias that they swallow everyday that every single thing they say is all ultimate truth and everything that occurs is all due to humans and our emissions of CO2. Not only do they assume there is dangerous climate change afoot all based on modelling rather than observations or empirical evidence, but they also know the solutions to it all. Yet Dale calls himself a “Meteorologist”. But if that is the case why is he dabbling in economics? Why is he onboard with every turbine, solar panel, heat pump, electric car etc. Why does he not just stick to telling us what the weather is going to be doing in a weeks time because that is all he is qualified to do. ———Dear Mr Dale and Mr Mcarthy, when everything that happens is due to your theory, you are not indulging in science you are indulging in politics.
Except Dale is only Navy trained to be a meteorological ‘observer’. He’s NOT a qualified meteorologist.
Thanks for that. ——A more irritating pompous twit you could not get, except possibly that other twerp Mccarthy.
No mention of weather manipulation, Geoengineering or chem trails we see in our skies. Three months of grey wet weather is not normal in anyone’s book. Ask the farmers. Food shortages coming in the UK which cannot even grow enough food for its own during “normal weather”