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Put Net Zero to a Referendum, Red Wall MPs Tell Sunak

by Richard Eldred
15 August 2023 1:02 PM

MPs from the Red Wall are advocating for a public referendum to assess the level of support for the U.K.’s 2050 Net Zero emission goal and to clarify its details to the public. The Telegraph has the story.

Britain is legally obliged to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 100% over the next 27 years, an objective signed into law by Theresa May. 

Mr. Sunak has committed to achieving it in a “proportionate and pragmatic” manner, but backbenchers in traditionally Labour-voting seats won by the Conservatives at the last election have urged him to give the public a say on the 2050 date.

It comes amid a wider debate about Net Zero following a surprise Tory victory in the Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election last month, which both main parties attributed to the backlash against Sadiq Khan expanding London’s ultra-low emission zone (Ulez).

Marco Longhi, the MP for Dudley North, said: “Given the complexity of this issue and its far-reaching consequences, I believe that involving the public through a referendum is right.

“A proper debate has never been had, and it should be. A referendum would require the Government to communicate the intricacies of the 2050 Net Zero target to the public, fostering a better understanding of the challenges and benefits.”

Karl McCartney, the Lincoln MP, agreed that Mr. Sunak should “rethink the headlong rush for Net Zero”, saying: “The establishment was solely focused on chasing approval from London’s woke eco-zealot crowd who have no clue what happens in the real world.

“Just like Brexit, the Government needs to make sure the public are on board with such radical changes, and that they hear the arguments and can make an informed decision.”

Worth reading in full.

Tags: 2050Carbon EmissionsNet ZeroRed WallReferendumRishi SunakULEZ

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago

Not at all a fan of CNN for sourcing anything reliable but their updated article on the Moscow attack by ISIS does tally with other reports. Seems Putin did a Netanyahu and did not heed the warnings given that a terrorist attack was imminent and large gatherings were most likely targets;

”ISIS has claimed responsibility for an attack at a popular concert hall complex near Moscow Friday after assailants stormed the venue with guns and incendiary devices, killing at least 60 people and injuring 145.
The terror group took responsibility for the attack in a short statement published by ISIS-affiliated news agency Amaq on Telegram on Friday. It did not provide evidence to support the claim.

Video footage from the Crocus City Hall shows the vast complex, which is home to both the music hall and a shopping center, on fire with smoke billowing into the air. State-run RIA Novosti reported the armed individuals “opened fire with automatic weapons” and “threw a grenade or an incendiary bomb, which started a fire.” They then “allegedly fled in a white Renault car,” the news agency said.
State media Russia 24 reported the roof of the venue has partially collapsed.
The fire had been brought largely under control more than six hours later. “There are still some pockets of fire, but the fire has been mostly eliminated,” Moscow governor Andrey Vorobyov said on Telegram.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Is that the same ISIS, the one with the brand new shiny pick-ups, that morphed out of Al Qaeda (and before that the Mujahideen, funded by the CIA/Pentagon) to sow discord in countries in the Middle East that the US wants to destabilise?

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

Yes indeed. If I had to do a poll on Twitter of the responses to who orchestrated this attack, the front-runner would be CIA closely followed by a false flag by Russia itself. But, being Twitter, there’s quite the mixed bag in there, inc Mossad.

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Thank God, I don’t do Twitter, Mogs!

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

LOL, I was adding to my comment above but, yet another disadvantage with this software DS use is that if somebody responds to your comment you then can’t edit in the 15min allotted timeframe, and you responded and cancelled me 😉 So I’ll just add on this;

I was more keen to see the death/casualty toll this morning, plus if any info had been extracted from the arrested terrorists yet. I guess we await more details on this one.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Ah, I see – no one is safe until everyone is safe. Cue increased security at airports for example? Another push for digital ID?

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I’d say it could be more simple than that, how about the murder of the only real opposition to putin in a siberian prison?
and his, not unappreciable amount of followers being slightly miffed with that!
To avoid political headlines it might be easier to just blame muslamics!

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

One of Victoria ‘F*ck the EU’ Nuland’s nasty little surprises she promised before she was sacked resigned? As kimdotcom says:

Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom – 21:01 UTC · Mar 22, 2024
Sanctions didn’t work. Billions in weapons didn’t work. Unwavering support didn’t work. Counter-offensive didn’t work. Non-stop propaganda didn’t work.
Rules-based terrorism is all they have left. It won’t work either. It just shows how evil and desperate they are.

And this:

Daniel Dumbrill @DanielDumbrill – 10:08 UTC · Oct 12, 2022
Now Al Qaeda & other Salafist Jihadist groups are reportedly entering Ukraine to fight Russia directly. Coincidentally, last week an ISIS recruiter the Taliban captured said he received funding via Ukraine. The Taliban only released this video domestically. 

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
1 year ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Yes, all part of the playbook from the paranoid sociopathic US Government, get others to do the dirty fighting for you.

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

👍

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago

What’s really going on?

Putin still proceeds with his plan to force Moldova into the Russian ‘Union State’, joining existing members Belarus and Eastern Ukraine.

Annexation of the Polish Suwalki corridor will then encircle the Baltic States and set up a new iron curtain from Kaliningrad in the north to Odessa in the south.

‘Shor stated on March 22 that his current trip to Russia is aimed at building a “clear plan” for future Russian and Moldova cooperation.’

‘Shor stated that his goal is the “total resignation of the current pro-Western regime” ‘

‘Shor last visited Russia on February 7 and met with Russian Duma official Leonid Kalashnikov, the chairman of the Russian State Duma Committee on Commonwealth of Independent States Affairs, Eurasian Integration, and Relations with Compatriots Abroad.’

‘Shor is a prominent Kremlin political proxy in Moldova.’

Moscow Times

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
1 year ago

“Countryfile’s John Craven says there is ‘disturbing’ evidence of racism in rural areas”
Where I live is a very traditional rural area and in the local town, I see people of other colour and ethnic origins all the time and see no evidence of any overt racism. They sit in the same cafes and go the same pubs and no one bats an eyelid. I would say that incidences of racism are quite rare but you are never going to get everyone to have the same attitude at the same time. Not when we are being overloaded with immigrants and many of our seaside towns and cheaper hotels are crammed full of people, predominantly young men, who probably won’t assimilate or learn our cultural ways and won’t want to. I know there are areas in the country that have a much higher percentage of immigrants than where I am and I can understand that people are angry about how these men are foisted upon communities and if you dare to complain, you’re called a racist. You might even be arrested for lodging a complaint! On the whole, we are an extremely tolerant country and I am fed up with these types of article that continually seek to undermine our society and make us feel guilty about our attitudes to the blatant immigration scandal. It’s an indoctrination process in slow motion. The boats – and the planes (many are simply flown in) – have to stop but before that, we have to eradicate the perpetrators – or maybe I call them the perpeTRAITORS – from Westminster.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

I don’t have a Telegraph subscription so I can’t read the article and can only go by the headlines.

The word “racism” seems to me to have become meaningless because it is used to mean whatever people want it to mean. My default reaction, if I cannot directly question whoever is making statements about “racism”, is to ignore it or think “so what?”.

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

You don’t need a subscription. Either hit the ‘esc’ button (if you’re on a Mac) just as the article loads (might take you a few attempts) or, much easier, copy and paste the URL into this https://archive.is/
And it’ll load up the article for you.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

Thanks. The article cherry picks a handful of incidents of “racist abuse”. No doubt this happens, as it does in cities and suburbs, everywhere on planet Earth. I’ve encountered physical assault and verbal abuse from all sorts of people in my life – I don’t think any of it was “racially aggravated” as the phrase has it, but that wasn’t any consolation. Sometimes you are somewhere, wrong place, wrong time, face doesn’t fit for whatever reason, dickheads or thugs will have a go.

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Stuart
Stuart
1 year ago
Reply to  AethelredTheReadier

Should read “Countryfile’s John Craven says there is ‘disturbing’ evidence of Englishness in rural areas”

John Craven – the count in Countryfile

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Stuart

I thought John Craven would be forming the base of a compost heap by now.

Why do we continue to employ old buggers who are past retirement age?

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago

“After earnings plunge, BioNTech pins hopes on cancer drug launches” 

Nice little perpetual earner, eh? Design a jab for a designer virus that, amongst other diseases, enhances turbo-cancer risk, and then design more drugs – often with the same underlying platform – to treat those cancers, knowing full well that the expected success rate is a lot less than the allegedly ‘safe and effective’ virus jabs. I don’t use the word evil often, but this surely must be.

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago

A small but potent victory in the covid wars – FDA ordered to remove ‘that’ tweet and other social media posts about Ivermectin.

https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/best-day-ever-for-ethical-physicians

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“‘Trust science,’ Paris mayor boasts as city declares ‘there will be no air conditioning in Olympic athletes’ rooms ‘to cut the carbon footprint’ of summer Olympics”

What a cock!

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Several years ago after a really bad harvest in North Korea the regime promoted the idea that the population was eating too much and less food was healthier.

We in the west treated this with mockery.

It seems as if mockery may be turning into imitation. I expect to see plenty of instances going forward in energy starved Europe of officials telling us that both aircon and heating are bad for you, that walking is much better than mechanised transport, that raw food is better than cooking it, etc.

It’s not that we’re short of energy, no no, it’s all deliberate and for our own good…or when the case is too preposterous, for the good of the planet.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

Oh Stewart, you are SO right mate!👍

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“The Scottish Government has said it may loosen the legally-binding targets it has set itself, which is good news says Andrew Montford”

Good news? No, good news would be the total and utter annihilation of the snp and a complete reversal of all its insane policies!

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“I don’t have much sympathy for the Waspis, and neither should you”

Ross Clark, go f%#k yourself!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/22/the-bank-of-england-is-pushing-britain-into-bankruptcy/

The bankrupting of the United Kingdom is deliberate and the aim once we accept that we are beyond broke is to sell the country off, probably to the IMF or possibly a conglomerate of criminal gangs such as Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street etc. The sell-off will be comprehensive – even down to our houses.

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Spot on Hux. I’m curious about these new ‘National Landscape’ areas KCIII implemented as part of his coronation ‘gift’ to the nation,
vastly extending previous national park boundaries. Are these areas going to be sold off, us peasants cleared & herded into the cities, and the land converted to private playgrounds like the deer parks of old, where trespass could lead to the removal of a hand, blinding or death? One wonders mightily. The Norman extent of deer parks was 2% of land: these new areas are nearly 25%…

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Thanks WW.

No question there will be some malign logic behind these ‘National Landscape arenas.’ I tend to think your assumptions are probably spot on.

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Early Doubter
Early Doubter
1 year ago

Another conspiracy theory bites the dust:
It was said that those-in-the-know were give a saline only (neutral) jab instead of the unsafe and defective C19 jabs; well now the sudden onset cancer cluster in the Royal family seems to discredit that. Firstly the late Queen (bone cancer), KC III, Fergie, Princess of Wales, perhaps another one or two…

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bertieboy
bertieboy
1 year ago
Reply to  Early Doubter

My wife and I had this same conversation last evening!

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Early Doubter

I don’t trust any of these “diagnoses”. There’s a huge difference between being “diagnosed” with something and actually having it, as Farid Fata of Michigan proved. The Globalist aim is to put an African on the throne, and they only need to remove the six others in the line of succession to make Meghan Smirkle’s dreams come true. Why else do all the main UK media, even GB News, have special tabs placing Meghan & Harry next to the tabs of the main royals, at the top of the page, and keep featuring endless flattering photos of Meghan and “news” stories about her, when nobody is the least bit interested?

Both King Charles and Princess Catherine were given the all-clear after surgery, then when they returned for check-ups, the doctors had mysteriously found cancer cells, so they could ruin their happiness and blast them both with chemo and radiation. How likely is it that they and Fergie would all suddenly be “diagnosed” with cancer within days of each other? Reliance on dodgy Third World “doctors” is not a great idea, and you should always get a second, third & fourth opinion for potentially lethal “diagnoses”.

Imagine the nightmare if the Smirkles end up as “Regents in charge” of the Wales’ three children, like “The Princes in the Tower”. Harry and his heirs must be removed from the line of succession to the throne, as the vast majority of the British public would wish. If not, then Parliament has failed the public yet again.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“Ketanji Brown Jackson Defenestrates the First Amendment” – The Supreme Court Judge claimed she lacked the expertise to define a ‘woman’, says Brownstone.”

OK Ketanji, easy one for you,: define a man?

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“Sexist skyscrapers. Non-binary pigeons. Winston Churchill the Nazi.”

Excuse me? Have I woke up in a different dimension?

When “ffs” is just not enough!

Last edited 1 year ago by Dinger64
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bertieboy
bertieboy
1 year ago

Off topic ……
It occurred to me the other day that pre the c19 paradigm there was much in the media about the 5G rollout and the infrastructure contracts going to the Chinese with the obvious security concerns. I also remember some health concerns being raised about the particular frequency emitted by 5G.
Now that 5G masts are all over the place I’m wondering whether this rollout was slipped in during the distraction of C19 etc.
Does anybody have any info on this?

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago

“Cyclists must have ‘identification, a licence or insurance’ under new plans from ‘Mr Loophole’ Nick Freeman”
Yes yes yes👍👍!

ALL road users should be made accountable!

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

And go swivel downtickers! Cyclists should be made to pay their way like other road user have to! All road users should pay for the roads, and don’t come out with the “well I’ve got a car as well” chestnut, if you own two motorcycles you have to pay for both!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

…”identification?”

Another excuse for digital ID.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Maybe the cycle could be registered to an owner much like a car to save having to carry Id? I certainly don’t agree with having to carry identity cards!

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago

Moscow Islam massacre !! What’s the story ?

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

Putin has good relations with Muslims, married a Muslim athlete and his two sons by her are being raised as Muslims, reportedly. Russian troops have also been sent to Muslim Chechnya to be trained for the Ukraine War.

This supposed “Moscow Islam Massacre” is just Putin’s attempt to distract global attention away from the video evidence of ballot-stuffing that got him elected.

Russian Social Media Swamped With Video Evidence Of Ballot-Box Stuffing (rferl.org)

Video emerges of ballot box stuffing in St. Petersburg, Russia during presidential elections (youtube.com)

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

More here, Freddo. ISIS-K apparently. Tragically, the death toll is climbing as more bodies are being pulled from the burned ruins. We need to wait and see what these arrested terrorists say;

”Last night, masked men in camouflage gear wielding automatic weapons stormed the Crocus City Hall – opening fire and hurling explosives into a crowd.
Some 6,000 people are believed to have been inside the venue watching Russian rock band Picnic when the bloodshed began.
The gunmen began shooting civilians at point-blank range – through glass doors, turnstiles and then the concert hall itself, traumatised witnesses said.

At least 143 were killed – including three children – and over 121 wounded – but the death toll continues to rise as bodies are pulled from the smouldering rubble.
The US says it has intelligence that confirms the Islamic State’s claim of responsibility for the bloody massacre – and argued it was led by an Afghanistan-based splinter cell, ISIS-K.

While the attack by ISIS-K in Russia on Friday was a dramatic escalation, experts said the group has openly opposed Russian Vladimir Putin in recent years.
Colin Clarke of Soufan Center, a Washington-based research group, said: “ISIS-K has been fixated on Russia for the past two years, frequently criticizing Putin in its propaganda.”
Michael Kugelman of US think-tank, the Wilson Center, said that ISIS-K “sees Russia as being complicit in activities that regularly oppress Muslims.”
He added that the group also counts as members a number of Central Asian militants with their own grievances against Moscow.”

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10867541/isis-k-moscow-massacre-behead-children/

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

Remarkably similar to Bataclan.

“No point in making any big statements on the Moscow shooting, but I wouldn’t rule out a false flag operation,” researcher Pekka Kallioniemi wrote. “This is what FSB/Putin did in 1999 to justify the Second Chechen War and improve Putin’s popularity and image as a strong leader.”

“Russia is a police state which fails every time it attempts to police anything other than unarmed peaceful protesters,” journalist Alexey Kovalyov wrote in response to Bondarev. “That, or I’m now more than ever convinced that the 1999 Moscow bombings were indeed Putin’s false flag.”

Putin Critics Suggest Moscow Concert Shooting Was ‘False Flag’ Operation (newsweek.com)

Other reports said that the Russian Special Forces took an hour and a half to arrive, because they were “stuck in traffic”.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

“Humza’s Hate Bill”
Notice that the “Hate Monster” is not only blatantly phallic, as C.J. Strachan pointed out in his article, but also the colour of “gammon”. That word “gammon” is also used as a racial insult, referring to the skin colour of Ethnic Europeans = “white people”. No one has ever been arrested or charged with “hate crime” for using that word, but just try using words referring to the skin colour of other ethnic groups, and see what happens.

I do not understand how any Indigenous Scot in the Scottish assembly could have voted for this viciously anti-Indigenous Scottish bill.

Last edited 1 year ago by Heretic
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