I previously covered a study which found social scientists can’t predict better than laymen. As you may recall, ‘experts’ and laymen were asked to predict the size and direction of social change in the U.S. between April and October of 2020. Overall, the two groups were equally inaccurate – there was no overall advantage for the ‘experts’.
A new study finds that social scientists can’t predict better than simple models either. (The study is a pre-print, so hasn’t yet been peer reviewed.)
Dillon Bowen collated data from several previous studies in which ‘experts’ had been asked to predict the impact of various interventions on people’s behaviour. His analysis covered five previous studies, but I’ll focus on the first three since the other two are rather complicated.
In the first study, 90 ‘experts’ were asked to predict how effective 53 different nudges would be at encouraging gym users to exercise more often. These nudges included things like administering a free audiobook and a bonus for returning after missed workouts.
In the second study, 24 ‘experts’ were asked to predict how effective 22 text-message interventions would be at encouraging Walmart customers to get a flu vaccine. These interventions included things like a simple reminder and a joke about the flu.
In the third study, 237 ‘experts’ were asked to predict how effective interventions carried out by two government nudge units would be at changing citizens’ behaviour. These interventions encompassed domains like healthcare, state benefits and community engagement.
For all three studies, Bowen compared the ‘expert’ predictions to a null model that said none of the interventions would work (i.e., none of them would change subjects’ behaviour by a statistically significant amount).
Remarkably, he found that in all three cases the null model performed better than the ‘experts’.
In other words, the ‘experts’ overestimated the interventions’ effects by such an extent that they would have been more accurate by simply guessing ‘no effect’ for every single one. Or put in other way, the effects of the interventions were generally closer to zero than they were to the ‘experts’ predictions.
Behavioural interventions are widely used by governments and other interventions to tweak people’s behaviour without coercing them. Yet practitioners consistently overestimate how well these interventions work. As it turns out, ‘they don’t work at all’ is a safer assumption than whatever the ‘experts’ are saying.
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I’m first again
Last few days have been interesting. It seems a lot of people are starting to wake up but I hope I’m not being too optimistic, possibly going backwards and introducing the ‘rule of six’ has been final straw for a lot of people. We can only hope.
The key to the next few days is to push the open door of TalkRadio, Jeremy Vine and Alastair Stewart and get Ivor Cummings and Carl H to have a sensible and open debate with Whitty et al.
If Whitty doesn’t want to respond then that becomes the headline.
Simon Dolan has to push this will all his might.
We all have to support him.
Yes a proper hour long TV debate is needed. 3-a-side like the brexit ones.
A marathon debate. It will surely take more than one hour to unravel this BS story.
I think Whitty, Ferguson and all the rest must know by now that reality on the ground doesn’t match the fictions in their heads. Going on any kind of debate isn’t in their personal or professional interests so they’ll avoid it like the plague, ie until they’re shamed into it. Their only hope is to drag this out for months more and try and claim they saved us and say take the shot to stop it happening ever again!
I agree with the sentiment though. Time to pile of the pressure.
TalkRADIO are pushing, and have been for some time. I think it started with Mike Graham talking to Peter Hitchens, Julia Hartley-Brewer seems to be pushing now, her interview with HandJob last week was good. Mark Doland and his mask rant. Ian Collins seems a bit quick to throw in the conspiracy theorist line.
If you can get on air during a phone in you will be able to talk, just do not give any presenter any mileage with 5G, Bill Gates, tracking implants etc. etc. Talk about the lockdown, the damage it is causing. If you use figures make sure you know what the figures are, and you can talk about them just dropping in a number with knowing what it means is going to possibly made to look like a fool.
And has Phil from Hill Street Blues always said, be careful out there.
Of course, it’s a conspiracy, ask Bill Gates.
If you get on air, recommend the Ivor Cummins video!
Nick Castle on LBC this weekend was taking a good line of questioning, but he accepted some seriously feeble responses from the Labour politician he had on.
I would agree that the majority are aware that some or all of lockdown is nonsensical but still they mostly comply.
Bsck to Voltaire. (h/t Dave Cullen)
‘If a man can get you to do something you know to be ridiculous,
He can get you to commit atrocities.’
Let’s be honest, most lockdown regs are not particularly onerous and it’s easy to comply.
So we do, easy life and that is the whole point because then we will comply with what comes next, who knows ? Maybe lies being told about Covid on the internet so let’s control that more closely.
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Another Voltaire quote “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong”
I am scared every day – not from the virus but just from knowing I am right and being incapable of supporting the lies.
I think you’ve hit on a very important point. From what we see, most people don’t mind the restrictions that much as they don’t really impinge. We live in a rural area and many people are either retired, still furloughed or working from home. They don’t question much and, although they don’t like masks, it’s considered no more than an irritation. You put it on on your way in to the supermarket and take it off on your way out – what’s the problem? Few people use PT but mask-wearing seems near 100% now. There are a few sceptics round here but very few of them seem to understand there is an agenda. Reality has not dawned for most people in the High Peak – yet.
Just about all community life in our village has now gone and we know there are many despairing lonely old people round here but they have no voice and the village Gauleiters don’t give a shit. We got the community newsletter yesterday and it would make you weep. Christmas is already cancelled with no Over 60s Lunch. The Book Swap, which used to be a popular weekly social life-line with lots of old people attending, drinks and bacon butties, will be reduced to 1 at a time with full hazmat and they hope to restore ‘restricted bacon butties’ (the mind boggles) which will be interesting as it’s naturally too dangerous to open the kitchen. Can someone explain that to me? Cafes and pubs can do food, why not a community centre or church? I cannot bring myself to reproduce the advert for the resumption of church services at the chapel where I used to play the organ. It would make your blood run cold.
We have never worn masks but we experience no hostility. A couple of people tried to question us early on and got dusty answers but that stopped weeks ago. Only a tiny minority don’t comply with masks but most don’t wear them outdoors (yet).
What is really worrying us at the moment is that both of our adult children are in partnerships with signed-up people. Our daughter’s partner thinks that everything will be OK soon and that Bill Gates is a kindly philanthropist. She also thinks people will just stop ‘going along with it’ soon. She must mean other people as she has not the slightest intention of resisting (too much hassle). We’ve sent her loads of good information, usually short, but she refuses to read it, preferring Facebook, which they both live on. Even her 11-year old stepdaughter now has ‘her masks’ now.
All 4 of these 30-50 year-old adults are perfectly happy to travel in cars and taxis full of people without masks, eat out, meet more of their mates than they’re ‘allowed’ when it suits them so they do know it’s all bollocks but they are 100% compliant with masks in shops and on PT because they ‘want to placate people’ or they ‘don’t want hassle’ and they refuse to engage with the politics. It’s just happening, nothing to see here. I fear they are very typical.
When her bloke isn’t listening, our daughter’s attitudes change a bit because she works with a housing charity and she’s seeing the sharp-end but she will not challenge him or go against the herd.
Regarding phone-ins, etc. I don’t know anything about 5G but I would have thought that not mentioning the role of Bill Gates’ funding of the WHO, the media and vast links to Big Pharma would risk labelling you as politically naive. (As usual, happy to be proved wrong!) MW
I detest this government, but I don’t think there is any agenda. Just plenty of stupidity!
And Gates’ personal motivations are irrelevant.
Much of this conspiracy theory surrounding Gates seems to be hinged on the premise that if someone means well then they should be trusted.
And as Gates should not be trusted that means that he is secretly an evil man.
I do not like Gates, I do not want his vaccine, but I am sure that he thinks he is doing good and that this is what motivates him.
His father has ties to the eugenics movement (renamed now) and Bill talks a lot about population control. I don’t assume that he believes he’s doing good. His foundation, which is supposed to be giving money away, doubled in value in 10 years. He invests in pharma companies, pushes their vaccines, and thus makes even more money. I’m sceptical, but I’ll grant you he puts on a good show.
Yes. I believe he is dangerous because he has unimaginable wealth and has used it to buy a dangerous amount of influence in order to advance his vaccination agenda. How can the World Health Organisation be considered an impartial authority when it has a private individual with a stated obsession with mass-vaccination (and a dodgy track-record) as its main funder? And ‘Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.’ C.S. Lewis MW
Hitler thought he was doing good. The Aryan Race. Purity of the Turf.
Turns out Hitler was the least of our problems
But he has provided a good template for future generations of dictator wannabees.
The whole 5G thing has been ‘junk conspiracy’. Junk Conspiracy is deliberately put out there to discredit the main theory. The REAL picture with 5G is not that it’s causing the virus but that it’s being installed for the coming Chinese style Social Credit System that the Cabal are keen on us all living under, hence the idea floated last week that if you want to go to a theatre or football match you will need to have a test on the morning you plan to go, then download your code and show it at the door before you’re let in. This is just the stepping stone to a full-on Covi-Pass with your freedom to live a normal life finished unless you’ve had your vaccine https://tentohealth.com/.
There’s also this little gem. A quantum tattoo. https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids So convenient. 5G technology is the gateway to your enslavement, with the same freedoms as the Chinese. Just wait until they finally put a stop to cash, too.
Well someone will just have to go around chopping these towers down with an axe, not me off course but someone else
Thank you for that lengthy response Miriam. Unfortunately I have been offline for 18 hours so have not been able to reply but will do if I see you on LS tomorrow.
ps, I grew up being able to see Thorp Cloud from my bedroom window, not quite Dark Peak but not far.
Are they going to get out f bed and do something? Leafletting, telling MPs to vote down corona virus act extension, protesting, converting others …
Doing the same too. We’ve got to apply as much pressure as we possibly can over the next two weeks.
Spare a thought for those who go forth only to come fourth.
Yes! I’ve done it! Two year all expenses paid holiday to Sweden, please
seems like a draw here ….. penalties?
Looks like dpj beat me by one minute. Must have faster broadband….
Loser!
Although I laugh
And I act like a clown
Beneath this mask
I am wearing a frown
I’m a Loser, The Beatles. Let’s be Winners.
Spot on, rr
Glad to see something else from Lord Carl Heneghan (well he should be) – was beginning to wonder if he’d been nobbled.
Out of chaos comes order
A picture is emerging of what the dictator has planned for us
The Aim
To preserve the dictatorship at all costs
How
Control and compliance of the population
By what means?
Mass vaccination, health passports, a cashless society, mass surveillance of the population. The eradication of dissent
Vaccination will not be compulsory. Vaccination will be compulsory. Covid Marshall’s will not be dragging people out of their homes in order to forcibly vaccinate them
However, no vaccination no health passport on your mobile phone. No health passport, no passport, no driving licence, not allowed in shops, no bank account not allowed to work etc
Ah you say, I’ll opt out, I’ll ditch the phone and use cash. In 2008 if there had not been cash about interest rates would have been set at minus 7%. Well we have the mother of all financial crashes coming and it will be used as a pretence to do away with cash
In Orwell’s 1984 the telescreens were screwed to the walls. This allowed Winston some brief respite in an alcove in his room, and on a sojourn to the countryside. Today everyone carries there personal telescreen around with them in the form of a mobile phone. Want a health passport? then you must have a mobile phone.
The dictatorship will know everywhere you go and everything you do. They will also know who the dissenters are
The virus and vaccination are a Trojan Horse
In this context the current project fear makes perfect sense.
Not even George Orwell could have predicted that we would insist on carry tracking devices with us everywhere ! He could’t have imagined the talents of behavioural scientists.
Neuroscience has its dark side and it appears that side is taking over.
I’ve noticed an increase locally, in small businesses going back to accepting cash. Some have switched to cash only.
Especially for small cost items, such as coffee shops. People don’t seem to realise that businesses are charged for transactions by card. Cash only is usually best.
Yep I’m charged 3.75% plus 20p per transaction.The drive to dispense with cash is driven by banks etc so a third party is earning every time there is a trade.
It’s frightening to think how much visa et al make this way
Most punters genuinely don’t know in my experience
I believe visa made it impossible to offer discounts for cash (not gettin their cut – mafia anyone?). Is that correct?
Mastercard is part of the WEF and WHO scam, you can see there name on quite a few of the websites.
All ties in together in a big incestuous web.
I use card in big multi nationals and only cash in small indeps.
That’s even more than I thought. Why don’t places put this up on a sign at the tlll?
The Banks are lovin’ it.
Funnily enough, globalisation comes to a screeching halt when you move countries. Here in the US I have no credit rating at all. A perfectly good 30-year credit history in the UK means nothing because seemingly no one knows how to access that information, not even the US-based company that issued my UK card. But you can bet your backside that if I were accused of doing something unseemly everybody and his brother would be able to view every transaction I ever made through a bank account, cash machine, or credit card in every country I ever visited. My Data Self seems to be of more value to others than to me.
And many big businesses have ditched their “card only” requirement.
There is an old expression, cash is King. Long Live The King!
Toby had a roundup link on the horrors of the Health Passport about 3 weeks ago.
It’s too cumbersome to find it on Android but it is well worth a revisit.
I can only remember the subtitle of the article.
(Health Passports)…”road to a new tyranny.”
Gogle only gives you a book about gun control.
‘only’ ? Harumph !
A tattoo embedded in the skin which carries your vaccination history.I think that is the purpose of those ridiculous temperature scanners; to get us used to idea of being scanned before we enter a shop etc
It’s a chip. a microchip. Payments / credit (ie longer term total control) will be next
It will start with ‘health passport’ (sounds so warm helpfull and just rather ok doesn’t it? A bit like ‘face covering’)
You know your ‘health passport’ can be used as payment? Just like apple pay. Isn’t that marvellous?
Like er, ‘do no evil’? That kind of advice?
Big tech advises itself. Same hymn sheet. All planned to reset society. They do tell us about it if you can be bothered to read un, who, wef, world bank etc websites.
It would appear even satan requires our consent
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-01-average-body-temperature-isnt-anymore.html
From January 2020.
Petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
Sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
In itself it won’t make any difference – but it serves to show we’re on to them.
From the state broadcaster
Nottinghamshire Police said officers attended the house party after Nottingham City Council officers were met with “hostility from the organiser” at 22:20 BST.
About 50 people were found at the address, who were all ordered to leave, and the host was issued with the fine, it added.
Ass Ch Con Steve Cooper said: “This party was a clear example of a householder who deliberately flouted the rules without a care for anyone else and as a result we have used the full powers we have to deal with this.
“Under current rules we can issue fines to anyone hosting gatherings of more than 30 people which can result in fines of up to £10,000. And now we are on the eve of rules becoming even tighter so there can be gatherings of no more than six.”
Has the sub judice rule has been suspended in Nottingham?
Or is Mr Cooper in contempt of court?
How do we organise a Crowdfunder? They throw ’em down, we pick ’em back up.
Cheaper to plead not guilty
The police are acting outwith their lawful authority, acting on Rules not yet Law until Monday, probably not even then if lord Sumpton is correct.
They have form for this. 2 examples.
1) there is a handy shortcut leading onto a busy trading estate, it is very narrow and below the No Entry sign it says ” buses and Council vehicles only”.
One day the Police launched a sting, caught 35 private vehicles and issued £30.00 fines to the drivers. Everyone paid, relieved at such a small fine and no points on their licence.
Mugs, that lane is private property and the No Entry sign has no significance in law.
2). A straight stretch of country road has 30mph signs, for years the Police set speed traps and hundreds of drivers were fined until a ‘Simon Dolan’ looked at the law and refused to pay.
30mph limits can only be set in Urban Environments a definition of which means having street lighting.
There are no street lights on that road therefore the 30mph signs are unlawfull. He won in court the Police had to refund hundreds of fines and, in some cases, Compensation for consequential losses.
They try it on wherever they can. In Victoria, our Attorney General stated during a recent interview that the State of Disaster restrictions do not supersede our rights under the Victorian charter of human rights . This means that hundreds of thousands of fines that have been issued could be invalid. So far everyone who has challenged the fines has had them withdrawn.
I think that’s been the same in the UK too.
He means ‘issue FPNs’, of course. But yes, bad thing that people get the idea the plod can issue fines.
Mr Cooper should pay the fine.
More face mask propaganda from DT.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/
http://viz.co.uk/2014/09/26/1115/
That link didn’t work for me unfortunately- website blocked..
It is the old Viz article about how eating blue smarties made a man grow breasts. About as likely as a facemask giving immunity.
Not just breasts
“Women’s tits” – repeated throught the article, hilarious stuff and much needed.
Thank you for the post tides
Try this: https://archive.is/zyjPv
great Sunday morning laugh..
The DT / journalism is sinking to new lows. How can anyone with more than 2 brain cells believe this drivel?
I put the link above about the Media and Govt connivance. It was supposed to be for three months – I daresay they got a taste for drivel.
Ah the DT, gaslighting everyone again ! For every article Toby gives a plug to there’s one just like this to compliment it. I gave up my subscription as it became too frustrating to read through the site every day. Talked out of both sides of it’s mouth each and every day!
Thanks for that, I was a bit frustrated with not being able to read what might have been a couple of interesting articles and thought of signing up, won’t bother now😉
What a load of tripe, isn’t it? We know now the press and govt are in it together (see:
http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign
but these insults to our intelligence are laughable.
Anti-Muzzle petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430 (which is growing suspiciously slowly….)
I actually have the physical paper version of today’s Sunday Telegraph, the only newspaper I buy, mainly for the football, the puzzles, and the sane commentators such as Janet Daley, Daniel Hannan, and (sometimes) Julie Burchill. That pro-mask article seems like garbled nonsense to me, though that might be poor journalism rather than the original source. It seems to be saying if you wear a mask you’ll just get a bit of infection, not too much, so it’s a bit like getting a vaccine. Not sure how anybody could fine-tune this effect to ensure they get the right amount!
I’ve heard this story a lot of times recently though I was surprised to see it on the Telegraph. It seems to be a way of justifying masks at the same time as diverting attention from the fact that increased testing (and false positives) is the real main reason for the low rate of hospital cases compared to overall “cases” – thus continuing to prop up the official narrative in the face of the evidence.
I kinda like this study as it’s impossible to believe it without also accepting that masks do not stop you from inhaling viruses!
They’re covering all bases for when it’s widely acknowledged that masks likely make contagion easier if anything. Aha – we knew this all along! Those clever porous masks were just micro-dosing you!
Note to Toby….can we PLEASE build a consensus between us all, and design some standard wording. I’d like to call it “The Dummy’s Guide to Converting A Lockdown Zealot.”
This is my starting point, and please, let’s build a consensus, and we can all use it as a template, as I am fed up to the back teeth of dealing with these sheep!
My outline below (and I’m sure I have missed bits, so do correct me please and add bits as necessary!)
……
The PCR test founder said that it was ineffective for testing for Covid, but it is treated as the gold standard. The specimen is amplified 45 times! It could pick up anything. These are just the antigen tests.
Whereas, Antibody tests, per the CDC, pick up both dead cells and other coronaviruses. But they all count towards “cases” in some countries.
Excess deaths this year are less than in 2000 and 2014. Never mentioned as they only use a 5 year average in media. Convenient!
Flu deaths are currently 10:1 compared to Covid. I think? Do correct me here. Flu deaths currently on par with past years. But why is this not reduced with all social distancing measures and masks? Is the virus *that* clever that these measures only work for Coronavirus?
Why have “cases” gone up since mandatory masks? Why have hundreds of years research into masks been disregarded to suit the narrative? Why did it “escape” China if the whole country wear masks anyway? And as they do all wear masks anyway, why do they have one of the highest incidences of cold and flu in the world? If masks work, why can football stadiums not open in full?! And operas, and ballets, and theatre? Where is the death counter for supermarkets pre-masks?!
Do you trust the WHO? Funded by China, run by a terrorist Tedros, and yet in May, Whitty joined the executive board, who pulls all the strings in Government. Any conflict of interest there? Vallance is funded by big Pharma too. Ferguson is seen as the “gold standard” and has been wrong about everything in the past.
With regards Lockdowns, Peru has had terrible results with the strictest of lockdowns. Sweden is back to normal, or rather has been normal throughout. They would have been much better had they not discharged to care homes, same as us. We were worried seeing people collapsing in the street in China, but did that happen here? We worried about hospitals overrun here. Did that happen here? Or did we pointlessly open up token hospitals that lay empty?
Who do you come across in life more? Someone affected health-wise by the pandemic? Or someone financially affected by the Pandemic?
“Don’t kill granny” …. oh please, the Government killed granny discharging to care homes. Blaming the youth? Oh please, you told them to go out last month and eat out for half price!
In Boris’ last press conference, he mentioned the phrases “freedom pass” and “health passport” …. can you really not see where we are going with this?
And to finish, the average age of Covid death is higher than our life expectancy.
We are killing the world for this !
For the past few days I have been in an email “discussion” trying to convince someone in California of the irrationality of the pandemic ‘narrative’. There is so much to the statistical and philosophical argument to back “our side”, it’s hard to know where to begin….and end. I feel I could go on, and on, and on and seemingly never run out of material of justify my view.
The Unherd Africa article in todays update is pretty horrific reading, for anyone with an ounce of compassion. I find pointing towards these types of articles quite effective. Everyone I know in California, is completely trapped in the lockdown/mask narrative.
We need a “top 20” (hard to stop at just 20, though)
The problem is that a large proportion of the population are convinced that a second wave is coming and that belief is fuelled by all these dodgy test results.
If hospital Covid19 cases/deaths do not have a steep rise.
If time ticks on and nothing happens
If we can convince people to abandon the testing system
Then the tide will turn, big ifs but not impossible.
The one aspect where we can have an influence is to convince people to shun the testing system. Public opinion is quite fickle and it is possible to undermine the credibility of the testing system, if people shun the testing system the pantomime starts to collapse.
They have been shunning the testing stations since they were set up if the inactivity at my local one is anything to go by.
I think a resource page would do the job. Was thinking about this last night. I think it’s important to have things graded though, so that the True Believers aren’t hit with the harsh reality like a sledgehammer and run away in disbelief.
I think it needs to be a gradual process. Stuff to get them away from the cliff edge and then if their calm and collected pieces which start to turn on a few lightbulbs which encourage independent thought.
I think Ivor Cummings recent video on YouTube is a very good place to start at the moment. If nothing else his Irish accent will put people at ease as the journey down the rabbit hole beings.
A graph that shows the timeline of events, beaches, pubs masks etc. against the drop in deaths and admissions should be included.
There is one about.It shows major events and the fact that they had no effect.
How about this?
My starting point is often –
“UK covid deaths yesterday = 5 (or whatever is the most recent number).”
then
“Average UK daily deaths = 1650”.
“Flu deaths are currently 10:1 compared to Covid. I think? Do correct me here” – seems about right. Here’s the link:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc971/fig1/datadownload.xlsx
Amplified 45 times? Maybe the PCR test could pick up alien signals?
One way of getting to people on our side is to ask them questions. These are questions I would ask non skeptics.
If you were in government and there was a genuine deadly pandemic where people where dying or if they survive become so ill they can’t leave their homes or need medical treatment, how would you answer the following questions.
1) If people saw with their own eyes, there was a deadly pandemic raging with dead bodies piling up, people becoming very ill if they survive and hospitals overwhelmed, would you feel it would be necessary to introduce draconian laws with instructions what people can or can’t do, road blocks and punishments or this would be unnecessary as people would clearly see there was dangerous threat about and voluntarily take precautions. Would you feel that introducing draconian legislation is a sign there was no genuine threat to scare people?
2) If a real pandemic was occurring would you feel it would be necessary to falsify deaths as per the links below
https://davidicke.com/2020/05/10/unbelievable-downing-street-announces-covid-death-certificates-falsified-david-icke-saying-weeks-weeks/
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ under the section orders from above
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/17/uk-govt-finally-admits-covid-statistics-are-inaccurate/
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/05/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense
https://davidicke.com/2020/05/29/uk-doctor-ive-signed-death-certificates-covid-19-heres-cant-trust-statistics-number-victims/
3) If a deadly disease was raging would you feel it would be necessary to drop safeguards in registering the deaths for this disease as to open the way for false reporting
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/05/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense/
4) If there was a genuine pandemic would you feel it necessary to use the media in spreading fear or should a pandemic be enough for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhpI76-s61o&t=91s
5) If large numbers were dying from a disease, would you feel it would be necessary to resort to dishonesty when presenting daily death figures?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/23/why-you-cant-trust-the-uks-daily-covid19-updates/
6) If a deadly pandemic was raging, would you feel it would be necessary to inflate positive cases by including people who were never tested?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/11/my-daughter-was-positive-for-covid-without-ever-being-tested/
7) If a dangerous disease was raging which produced severe symptoms, would you feel it would be necessary to test people to see if they have the illness and rely on unreliable tests or should symptoms be enough?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
8) In a devastating pandemic would you expect to see empty hospitals?
I don’t think that bringing the asylum seekers into the argument really helps our case. Other than pointing it out as yet another quarantine hypocrisy.
On a purely covidsteria level, they are all young, slim, and fit and they must have very robust immune systems to have survived the journeys they have done. I would shake their hands – and then ask them if they’re sure they’re Going to be more free in the UK?!
Demanding that a few dozen disorientated immigrants abide by anti-social distancing/muzzles surely just reinforces the mistaken belief that these measures actually work?!
Willie Dixon Don’t trust nobody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkHSVYgBAnU
We need to start a new political party – the UK Freedom Party – of the people For The People. It needs to go viral quick. All the lockdown skeptics (and we are MANY!) need to join. We need to do our own polls and make sure BJ sees them. We need all the influential people who are speaking out to back it and join it – from ALL walks of life. I am part of the Birmingham group who organised the large Freedom protest in August which Piers Corbyn and Gareth Ike attended and were speakers. All the protest groups – Stand Up X, Keep Britain Free and the many many groups all over the UK need to join and unite. We all want the same thing – to take out the corrupt politicians and to restore common sense and economy. We need sensible, respected people heading this party – and most importantly they need to be doing this not for fame or fortune, but for the future generations of Brits. We should all be in London sat 26 Sept 12 midday in Trafalgar Square. No speakers necessary- just enough bodies on the streets and placards saying enough is enough and we demand our democracy is restored. If 3 million of us turned up I think that would be a turning point. Drone footage can be arranged and then sent to Boris – maybe then he would understand that the fake ‘polls’ that are being used to steer him are not indicative of what us Brits really think.
Sorry for the very long post !
176 deaths only in a population of 19m. No lockdown. Frightening to think just how wrong they’ve been. It’s not even just a few missed numbers here and there. It’s a collasal failure of the global public health regime.
“What’s this all about Johnson?
Stand up straight man.
It’s no use saying Hancock told you to do it, you’re a grown man and need to start taking responsibility for your actions.
Leave Hancock out of it, if he told you to put your head in the gas oven would you do that?
I might be prepared to show some leniency if everything is back to normal by tomorrow morning, now get out before I lose my temper.
Johnson!
Tell Ferguson to come in, I’ll deal with him next.”
(Not copied from the admirable Peter Hitchins, I first made the schoolboy/headmaster analogy 3 months ago, thank you. Now going awol 20 hours).
Interesting Laworfiction Twitter feed. Hancock doesn’t understand the law. Quelle Surprise.
Law-or-Fiction
@laworfiction
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Every set of Coronavirus regulations opens with a statement that they are a proportionate “response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England”.
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But this has been dangerous shorthand. It misses out key words from Section 45(C) of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 from where the regulations take their power.
Section 45(C) refers to “incidence or spread of infection or contamination” from the virus.
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READ ON FURTHER ON SITE.
Yes absolutely. I am also confused about why the Police are allowed to use the PHA 1984 without a “reasonable suspicion” that you’re infectious. Maybe this is what’s behind the ridiculous hysteria that we’re all symptomless super-spreaders. Poppycock.
Currently on my first weekend away since the start of all this and over the border in England to boot.
Lovely little hotel was in the middle of a large kids birthday party function when I arrived. Kids running round smiling, laughing, towing balloons behind them, running in and out of the building. I’d already checked ahead that the hotel was fine with mask exemptions and true to their word on arrival not a mask in sight on anyone, staff or guests. You honestly wouldn’t have known the world had changed so much.
Makes me angry that come tomorrow kids parties won’t be allowed. How can our politicians stand by and allow this to happen? Our early years are so formative. What sort of people will kids of today turn into having their childhoods mutated so badly?
that tosspot Andrew Marr is now promoting on his show that the second wave is here (and the WHO will be on it to justify). time to turn over
On a brighter note – went for walk and went to local mini mart for newspapers. Not a single mask. OK there were only three of us , me . young lad, another old guy . and sales person. It was almost normal
And the football season has started .. MoT!!
How many times do these clowns get to say a second wave is coming before they are hooked off the TV with one of those old school theatre long hook things?
They are starting to remind me of someone who has a gambling problem and has lost lots of money. ‘The second wave will definitely be here in 2 weeks’ = ‘I’ll win my next bet and wipe out all my losses’
That is an excellent analogy, dpj
It also reminds me of this guy in terminator films. So Matt this ‘second wave’ when exactly is it coming?
The Gong Show.
Drove past a playing field this morning, what looked like a full on 11 a side footie match between kitted up young lads. I wonder how long that will be ‘permitted’.
Drove out the vision of an elderly lady getting out of her car at the quayside, she was wearing a visor to feed the birds before getting back in the car to back lonely to home.
1) Forever !
2) Wild birds do carry some pretty nasty diseases. Maybe she isn’t a coviphobic at all ? 🙂
Corvid phobic?
I am currently a corvid phobe ! Bastard jackdaws keep eating our apples. Still, its been a very good apple year, so air rifle has remained in its cupboard. 🙂
At my local leisure center yesterday. My friends lads jogged down there to football practice on the outdoor artificial pitch. They were denied entry because it was a sunny morning and because they had jogged down the temperature guns showed that they both were too hot so they assumed that they had temperatures. They explained and it was obvious to see but they were still refused entry. Absolute lunacy!
Take pictures. Local press. ?
Our local leisure centre is trying for a council bailout, claims covid is making it go bankrupt.
One of ours too. Of course it’s outsourced and they were happy to take profits in the good times.
On Friday I saw some girls’ football practice on a local playing field, looked like early teenage years. Pals and parents watching from the sidelines, not a mask in sight.
Theme tune suggestion:
Man With No Country, by Flogging Molly
No, let’s have ‘Panic’ by The Smiths again 😉
Whenever a government spokesperson speaks…’You can’t hide your lyin’ eyes. (Eagles)
I’m Gonna Unmask The Batman
https://youtu.be/w5Tn0hxjxBw
Found another – “The Worst Day Since Yesterday.” Flogging Molly’s a gold mine for these.
I did some more work on a Covid leaflet for local distribution. See what you think.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AqNJ8p0gZkZLnRHIpjGjRVHD7Xvx?e=KoDiPg
Great. Keep them coming
That’s great Bas, I wonder if I could modify something for here. Is it worthwhile, and would Toby be OK with inserting the Lockdown Sceptic web address for more information.
I can’t open the link but I think it’s a great idea. I feel I need some clear bullet points to share the facts with people in my community.
Imho, wording is excellent, picture is off-putting. Photos of Johnson/Hancock looking like loons ?
You’ve misquoted Lord Sumption, and that’s not a good idea. He said ‘diligent’, not ‘intelligent’.
Here’s a cheery report to start the day.
On the bus I was on yesterday 100% of the passengers were maskless! Both of us.
I got on first and sat at the front and then a second chap got on wearing a mask, he’s been waiting at the bus stop wearing it, and sat right at the back. I do have a vizor (which I can’t see out of it too well) and I was thinking should I fit it together and put it on to reassure the other chap, he seemed a fair bit older than me and that’s saying summut. But as I pondered this dilemma I saw his reflection in bus’s front windscreen. His mask were slipped neath his chin!
I saw quite a lot of buses yesterday and lots had the masks on but pulled down below their chin. I think they are now getting on masked to suit the requirement, then during the journey they just pull them down so a to cover themselves in case the plod or a COVID stasi gets on the bus.
They are still fully compliant.
To Wear = 1. To have about ones person
Chambers 20C.
Ditto Merriam-Webster:
to wear, verb: to bear on one’s person.
Nothing in the legislation says it must be worn across the nose and mouth, all there is is a description/definition of a face covering.
Nowhere does it state “wear on face” or “were across mouth and nose” or “wear as directed by manufacturer”.
Spot on. I pointed this out on here when the first of the SIs pertaining to “face coverings” was laid however many weeks ago. I am a lawyer so going to the source and finding out what the law actually says is second nature. I understand that most people won’t think to even look but it is all up there on the web and easily accessible. “Hiddden in plain sight” if you like. Sadly the MSM spin is what most go by. Even the govt sites give wrong information. The law does not require you to wear a mask when sitting in my consulting room for example.
I have been back in Blighty a fortnight and I’ve yet to see a Mr. Plod anywhere! Bus drivers don’t seem bothered if you wear one or not. They probably prefer you not wearing one when you get on so they can understand what you’re saying.
It varies. I’ve seen bus drivers tell people they need to put a mask on, although some drivers can’t be bothered.
Dramatic scenes in Spain as police try to arrest a woman for failing to wear a mask. I guess their more recent experience of a fascist dictator make them more likely to turn on the police?
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/citizens-stop-spanish-police-arresting-woman-not-wearing-mask
Like in Germany, enough of them recognise fascism when they see it.
They have living memory of it.Here on the other hand people still have the belief that government is benevolent.
This is a big problem for us
I definitely think this is a big problem here, as well as in other countries like Australia. Lots of European countries have been dictatorships or Soviet satellite states, well within living memory, and people must be far more aware of the possibility of government overreach. Here, in most peoples minds, totalitarianism is just something that happens in other countries or in dystopian fiction!
Around the world we’ve seen that police in democracies happily and easily switch to enforcing a police state, all it takes is some kind of fear for the government to act on.
When I returned the Friday before they got to Boris back in MArch from germany, where Bavaria had introduced a lockdown, and Italy and Spain were already 2 weeks into theirs, I commenten to someone how “obvious” it was that ex-fascist countries were the first to introduce these measures and how glad I was that Boris was not going with it.
Now I’d rather be in Germany again, at least they have an opposition.
“Why do maskers still have such animosity towards non-maskers six months into the pandemic? Shouldn’t the non-maskers all be dead by now?”
A rhetorical question I assume. That we’re still walking around proves the masks are BS. As I enjoy pointing out.
My chum has recently been invited to take part in a Covid test by Imperial College – a random survey and all that.
It is a pity refuseniks aren’t being monitored to see how they fair.
My sceptic Turkish taxi driver thought he was being ordered to take part in that until I pointed to the word ‘invited’, straight in the bin.
It’s like when I refused chemotherapy when I had cancer. The oncologist insisted that I would die without it, trying to scare me into it. I’d done my research and knew I had an 85% chance of survival with no further treatment. The NHS stopped monitoring me after a year. Thirteen years later, I’m still alive.
That’s really interesting. I am becoming a sceptic of most of the pharma industry. What sort of cancer?
Because they are the FBPE type who always think they are right, and have nothing else in their life and think that being a little Hitler (or Schicklgruber) makes them righteous and important.
I have experienced no animosity at all ,some curious glances, some perhaps jealous.
Absolutely ! He is excellent.
Went for a short break in Bournemouth (where else ?).
My OH still nicks my tea spoons, as do kids, grandkids, and work colleagues. There must be some enormous black market I am unaware of …
Some maskers in Montreal still do the swerve when they see me.
Backlash starting within the Tory party? A couple of days ago Sir Mick Davis, former CEO of Xstrata and of the Tory party wrote an excellent piece in the Telegraph that was a ‘call to arms’ in my view. Others are now breaking cover, over and above the wonderful Sir Rocco. The new measures to be introduced tomorrow will not last beyond next month!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8726465/Tory-donors-tell-PM-Covid-rules-wreck-Britain-NHS-danger.html
How long is it going to take for the NHS to work out that this is a rolling PR train crash for them?
And it’s accelerating………..
http://www.actuarialpost.co.uk/article/increased-demand-for-private-medical-insurance-after-covid19-18468.htm
Time for them to stand up and start talking some sense.
The thing is, when I can get full cover with no excess for less than £60 per month including any cancer treatment that I hope I never need, it’s a no-brainer. The lesson for us all from this situation is that we need to eliminate reliance on the state wherever possible. Having a private health plan is a good place to start.
Can that be the same for the companies too? Often these industries are ultimately guaranteed by the state. If they got into trouble the state would ultimately be left to pick up the tab. Otherwise Cancer patients would just be left to their own devices?
For this reason a public health service is always needed. Given we are also heading for a economic disaster, we need it more than ever.
I have private but when I underwent surgery for Ulcerative Colitis, the NHS saved my life.
Pre-existing conditions can’t get private healthcare. I abhor the NHS and won’t ever go anywhere near it again, but the pre-existing condition thing basically means if I get cancer, I die. There is no private insurance for me. Or have to sell my home maybe. I’d pick death over selling my home. It’s an extremely easy decision.
Not entirely true. With a lot of chronic conditions you will probably not get cover but you can exclude that condition from the insurance. Then there is conditions you have had previously which are usually based on a time limit, so if it was over two or three years since you had it then you can normally still get covered for it in an insurance policy.
Castrate The State.
Maybe this is what is planned
A new level of madness: Myself and my wife will be 72 at the end of the year and I have just heard on the Andrew Marr show on BBC 1 that the “authorities” are considering telling the over 65’s to “self lockdown”
When my housebound 95 year old mother in law is found dead because us and my 69 year old brother in law were not allowed to do her shopping and visit her to help her carry out day to day tasks,I hope the “authorities” will be proud of themselves and be able to sleep at night.
And of course our situation is certainly not unique.
So ridiculous, virus no longer a threat and a lot of older people are in fact very healthy.
The missing message from the government: Improve your immune system
Do not under any circumstances obey. All unenforceable.
Were they implying that it would be compulsory? Of course that would be outrageous. Advice can be freely ignored though….
Just found https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/12/millions-greatest-risk-coronavirus-may-told-stay-home/#comment
This article states that there is no plan for restrictions based on age alone but those with multiple risk factors will receive advice “the risks of different activities, in order to help them manage individually”, a source said. ”
If this is accurate it sounds like there might be a shift towards allowing us to take back some personal responsibility and autonomy . I can only hope …
Ah self accountability. Sorely missed
Very weasel words “help them manage”.
So can compulsion.
I can see my sister who is 70 and regularly runs 10k races self-isolating…
Yes: apart from the collaborators/frightened sheep, us “children of the 60’s” are really going to take notice of a load of kids(the government/advisers/experts) who try to scare us.
We lived though the Polio scare,Asian and Hong kong flu,it will take more than Bojo and his bunch of assorted liars,conmen/women,opportunists and “experts” who know as much about real everyday life as they know about Narnia.
You forgot The Cold War.
Yes and the Cuban missile crisis.
And, how are you supposed to feed yourselves as well? If you are frail and elderly what if you need help to shop and they only allow one person from each household to go to the shops as in Melbourne.
Will it be a crime to not self isolate, a failure that could only endanger yourself ?
I agree. But aren’t the poor Shielders who decide that house-arrest isn’t for them shamed for being the ones that will overwhelm the NHS?
New level of madness, same old response though –
I’m considering telling the “authorities” to fuck off.
A small anti lockdown protest in Melbourne descended into chaos today as over 300 police in full riot gear corralled the group of protesters into a nearby fresh produce market. Clashes ensued as arrests were made and protesters hurled florets of broccoli and assorted fruits at the police amid cries of FREEDOM. The number of protestors was small (estimated at under 100) as organisers who posted details on Facebook were arrested days before, as well a number of others who simply liked their posts. No I am not making this up ! Gives new meaning to the term Banana Republic
Seemed a stronger protest Nat, at least what I could see on channel 9 news. Had to laugh at one stall holder who said, ‘they’re ruining my business’. No love, Daniel Andrews is ruining your business.
It could have been, it was quite fragmented as no-one was sure when and where to meet as the posted details were taken down so quickly. I am just going on what my friend who went told me he saw.
I am not sure if the tide is turning over in Ireland but hats off to the garda/police for their full cooperation with the Yellow Vest protest organisers in Dublin yesterday. No riot gear in sight. They mingled freely amongst the protesters and even put a lead car in front of the procession which wound its way the the Dail/parliament. Perfect crowd control management in practice.
I truly hope videos of this will pass around the world and show other police forces how to act, but more importantly remind them who they represent… we the people.
That’s more like it !
Yes, it was brilliant to have their support/cooperation.
I hope the positive police interaction will not go unnoticed by the silent majority who may be scared to protest. We’ve shown there is nothing to fear so there is now no reason why the protest in 2 weeks should not draw a far bigger crowd.
Great to hear!
Machito – Bananas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8EzwylQXM
We have a political party opposed to the new Covid-19 restriction:
s – the SDP.
https://sdp.org.uk/2020/09/11/social-democrats-oppose-new-covid-19-restrictions/
Good to hear, I don’t know much about them but I’ll have a read of their policies.
Just need some MP defections? They seem to have some good policies
I assume all their MPs will be voting against it?
The Government Innumeracy article linked to is just brilliant. Even I, with not much of a brain for numbers, can understand it. Should be shared far and wide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNffT6JqKM&list=WL&index=45&t=0s
Victoria police go from ‘zero to nuclear’ in latest footage of police overreach
So Michael Gove was instrumental in the Rule of 6. Wonder if he think that will make him the successor for Boris?
Gove will turn on a sixpence if he thinks it will benefit him.
Went to a close friends milestone birthday party last night, 50th, at their house and it was wonderful. Had not seen the 20 odd friends for quite some time and I was concerned that there would be a few worriers and bedwetters in attendance, wanting to distance or not hug, but oh no, thank the lord!
All were sceptical in some shape or form, some very, and we all hugged and kissed and shook hands and stood and talked and laughed and danced and cried and celebrated like we have always done. It was a real tonic and has brought back my faith that the cracks are appearing now, the momentum is building and I can honestly see some chinks of light, the narrative is falling on deaf ears and the realisation that we have been hoodwinked by spaffer’s charlatan’s is slowly becoming a reality.
Keep preaching the good word dear friends, the darkest hour comes before the sun rises, our sun will soon rise again.
Great to hear!
Morse, you are areal tonic. I hope everybody had a wonderful time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ
COVID Math
That’s a devastating analysis by James Ferguson. Picks up well what Prof Heneghan has been banging on about for ages.
There are 7 Lighthouse Labs in the UK https://www.lighthouselabs.org.uk/
I wonder if there’s a correlation between the rate of positive test results and the lab doing the tests? Is there a Lab that’s more “rogue” than the others?
I suppose all the Pillar 2 specimens from one region go to the same regional lab, e.g. North West going to Alderley Park. It could explain regional clusters.
Just a thought, but someone high up must look into this as we descend into more PCR test-inspired chaos.
Adding to what I said:
Surely by now any competent authority would by now have seeded hundreds of even thousands of pure, Covid-free test samples into the labs, without prior warning, and observed how many positive test results came back?
Does anyone know if this has happened recently for the Pillar 2 tests?
Good that this has got to 420,601 views – keep spreading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
420,601 views •8 Sep 2020
Ivor Cummins
106K subscribers
The ultimate update on our viral issue, bar none – Sept 8th 2020 . Get educated guys and gals – or keep your head in the sand while your errant leaders destroy society around you… 😉
I have never shared anything remotely political or stuck my head above the parapet before on fb but this is just too important to stay quiet about. I shared it yesterday. If I can sway a couple of people from their unquestioned beliefs it will be worth any nastiness I get.
Fantastic
Thanks for getting the news out Stephen
This is calm, cool and brilliantly presented.
Someone with some political nous needs to link this:
with the notorious algorithms used in the exam grading debacle. Tar PCR testing with the same brush to get the public to be more sceptical of them.
There was never any reason why a perfectly reasonable algorithm couldn’t have been devised for exam results. Extraordinary that they made such a mess of it.
Indeed, the old adage “garbage in, garbage out” still applies. When clueless politicians provide garbage in (algorithm selection, or selection of people developing the algorithm) the result is predicably garbage out.
Same goes for Prof Pantsdown’s models, too.
The problem was not whether the algorithm used was or was not perfectly reasonable. The problem was that any algorithm, regardless of how accurate the overall results might have been for the cohort as a whole, would necessarily have benefited some children’s individual results and unfairly penalised others. An algorithm might be useful for predicting the results of a year group in advance (although, we know where that can get us) but using one to award grades is grossly unfair. Of course, so is using teacher’s predictions.
You say 10 points for Grade A*, 9 points for Grade A, etc. Then the algorithm adds up the total of scores for the previous year’s class and calculates what the total should be for this year (because the class size may vary). The teacher then has a total number of points to distribute between the individuals.
When there are exceptional cases you would have to look at them individually, but in most cases that would give a fair result. I can’t think of a better system.
Not for this year obviously but in USA rather than GCSEs/A levels they seem to sit one three hour multiple-choice SAT test (with an optional essay). That’s it? We could surely make the provision for kids to do something similar to that in future at least.
Asked on yesterday’s page just before the ‘cut off’… Why isn’t Lord Sumption advising Simon Dolan?
He’s retired?
Even just turning up would get a lot of attention
The ‘cases rising in care homes’ thing is worrying because some of the people who test positive will undoubtedly die within 28 days of the test and will be counted as ‘Covid deaths’. This will be used to justify more lockdowns or restrictions on healthy older people in the community.
A proportion of the people who ‘test positive’ in the wider world will also die within 28 days. This nightmare will never be over, even if no one is actually ill from Covid.
Isn’t this even more proof that the virus has attenuated? If it is moving through vulnerable groups without killing them all?
I think we have to keep a cool head about this. I would be very surprised if we did not see a rise in deaths with covid in vulnerable groups, as we will with all respiratory diseases. That doesn’t weaken the argument that the response to one of those viruses is disproportionate.
Wendy made me aware of the campaign to compel the Government to consider all the rights and human needs of individuals in care homes , not just their ‘safety’ from covid. https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/government-guidance-has-failed-care-homes/
I wonder if insisting on a bigger picture is one way to gradually shift the narrative.
Imagine how many ‘covid deaths’ deaths operation moonshine would produce. It would keep the BBC busy and the NHS ‘battling hard against the virus’ for evermore.
We are at war with covid, we will always be at war with covid…
Sort of the point
Yet again, Toby, a magnificent Latest News and round-up. The piece on false positives is superb.
How can I never have heard of Alice Bragg before?
And the Poster at the end is perfect.
Agreed, that Magnificent Seven poster is brilliant!
Sigh. I was impressed by James Ferguson’s paper, and indeed agree with many of his statements, which I may say more about later, until I came to this bit.
The figure of 510,000 was, as surely we call know by now, for the scenario “In the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour,” Since some rather drastic control measures were taken, there is no comparison between the hypothetical “unmitigated” figure of 510,000 and the real-life locked down figure of 41,537 (or whatever).
The correct comparison is with the real-life examples of, say Manaus and Guayaquil. There we see a herd immunity level of 20-30% rather than the 80% or so predicted by modelling on the assumption of no pre-existing immunity. This leads to the testable hypothesis that there is pre-existing immunity or that spread is governed by heterogeneous infection rate (“superspreaders”). Both of these open up the possibility of serious investigations, and that is in itself a valuable outcome of the modelling exercise.
However, this dismissive aside (which I accept probably does not represent James Ferguson’s fully considered opinion) is that this model already produced the correct answer to the question, which was “What happens if we do nothing?”. The answer was not a number, but a word: “Catastrophe”. The results in the unfortunate cities subject to the experience (experiment?) show that answer to have been correct.
yes like Stockholm where they still have piles of dead bodies on the street.
Stockholm is also not an example of “the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour”
I know you re a lockdown fan but honestly you do come out with silly statements. Are you Devi in drag ?
Please don’t make personal remarks.
I am not a lockdown “fan”, and have never, I think, made a comment that would make anyone think that. I have been at pains on various occasions to correct what I believe to be unfounded attacks on the general principle and certain applications of epidemic modelling, which I believe to be a valuable tool when correctly applied and understood.
So this is unfalsifiable? So not science. NEXT!
Indeed. I had a very similar argument with a friend recently who defended the half a million number. He said that we saved 450,000 lives with lockdown.
The lack of reasoning is something I can’t cope with. There is no way to prove it, but it always require that we ignore some anecdotal stuff like Peru’s harshest lockdown , Sweden, the African examples cited in today’s update, USA mixed approaches across States etc
Ah, that’s a very different question. I’ve been at pains to say that the numerical accuracy of the answer is secondary to its value as a policy input. If we want to assess the number of cases and deaths in hypothetical scenarios to decide whether we did the right thing, then I would agree that we need much better information.
When you talk about influencing policy, has anyone at any point defined how, in a democracy, ‘science’ or ‘information’ should influence policy? Scientists are not qualified to make policy decisions. They are not voted in. They may have no background in law, ethics, history, philosophy. To a scientist, it makes perfect sense to always act on the ‘worst case’ ‘prediction’ and to convey that without qualification to the government. But to humanity, that may result in far worse results than the virus could ever have produced. I fear this is the situation we are in. The government are in thrall to the scientists, and the scientists are in thrall to their own models and have no wider perspective.
A good question. The mantra “Advisers advise, ministers decide” seems a good starting point. If ministers choose to abdicate their decision-making, then they remain responsible for decisions taken in their name. My concern is the opposite of yours — that “the science”, and scientists, and their models, are being lined to up take the blame for the bad consequences of decisions that they are not in fact taking.
(Sir) Neil Ferguson seems to be taking on the role pretty much single handed.
On the contrary you will have seen that I went on to describe the real-life experiences (I won;t say “experiments”) of cities where something like the “do-nothing” scenario occurred, and I further discuss the differences between the model, its assumptions, and the falsifiable hypotheses one can draw from those.
Let me also draw a distinction between the application of science to policy and science itself. You ask me to comment on what happens if you jump off the top of a 100 metre high building, and I reply that a simple model suggests you you hit the ground at about 45 m/s: catastrophe. You decide — wisely — not to perform the experiment. Does that make my estimate of the answer unscientific? Yes, in that it was not used as a falsifiable prediction in a scientific experiment. No, in that it was a useful piece of policy input based on sound science, going back to Galileo.
You now decide to take the stairs down and arrive safely at the bottom at a sedate1 m/s. The onlookers criticise my “prediction” that you would arrive at 45 m/s and tell me that my model was wrong. Is that sensible? No, it’s utterly nonsensical.
Aha, cry the more sophisticated onlookers, you used a simple Newtonian model that doesn’t reflect reality (it’s a toy model suitable for ‘My First Lecture in modelling’) and say that if I took into account air resistance, relativistic corrections, Coriolis force, etc, you would actually only the the ground at 40 m/s. That would be a useful comment if we were planning to do the experiment. But the answer to the question, “What happens” remains the same: catastrophe.
Walking away from the building we pass the scene of a sad accident in which someone has fallen off a building of similar size. It turns out that they only hit the ground at 25 m/s. The results were catastrophic in that case too, of course. Do we conclude that the whole. odelling process was wrong from beginning to end? No, it gives us scope to consider what other factors we might have failed to take into account, such as the parachute effect of their clothing. That’s scientifically useful, even though our increased understanding may have been bought at a terrible price.
We don’t even need to examine the accuracy of Ferguson’s model because we know that
(a) the SIR model doesn’t reflect reality (it’s a toy model suitable for ‘My First Lecture in modelling’)
(b) Ferguson used the wrong value for IFR (as the article explains).
(c) the death figures in Britain have been royally exaggerated (see the now ex- PHE’s tactics for example)
If any of Ferguson’s predictions are ‘accurate’ it’s by chance, so not worth analysing any further.
Thanks for your views on SIR modelling: which more sophisticated and more accurate models would you propose? I note you do not dispute my comment that the modelling process, even for such an unsophisticated model) leads to testable hypotheses, which is, as we all know, how science works.
When you say “Ferguson used the wrong value for IFR” do you mean that the right value — whatever that might have been — was already known? That seems incorrect. The SAGE consensus based on what was known at the time (which was admittedly imprecise and inconsistent) was the same.
A case might be made that the choice of IFR for the model was wrong in hindsight. So let’s look at what has actually happened. The results for Manaus and Guayaquil suggest IFR in the range 0.8%-1.0%. The figures for New York City, with a population mortality of 0.25% show that IFT must have been at least that. If infection in NY is consistent with other cities, at say 20-30%, that puts IFR at around 0.8-1.0% again.
So arguing about calculations and models made in February should perhaps be tempered by the actual observations of these real-life experiences.
Your comment shows that there is great uncertainty in, well, everything. I don’t dispute that.
But the Enlightenment (as I was reading about yesterday) emphasised that rationalism is to be used alongside empiricism. You (and almost all ‘scientists’ these days) only deal in empiricism.
The rational (i.e. reason-based) response to Covid should be to assume ‘do nothing’ as the default. It has served us well over the previous few million years.
It is becoming apparent that the field of epidemiology is very much a ‘soft’ science, a bit like psychoanalysis. It has theoretical explanations for everything, but in its current form it has no predictive power. It is circular, referring to its own toy models to vindicate its results (e.g. referring to the ‘R’ number).
A better model was proposed on Day 2 of this web site’s existence. It should incorporate some representation of the immune system’s dynamic response to exposure to different levels of infection or ‘viral load’ or ‘inoculum’ (as has been explained by immunologists, a low dose of a virus acts as a partial inoculation). Don’t know what figures to put into that? Well, tough – that’s how it is, and the model should reflect that uncertainty.
Would such a model support the wearing of face masks based upon the same science?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/
Yes, I saw someone suggesting this a few weeks back – they would, wouldn’t they? 🙂
But this is where (pseudo-)’science’ thinks it can outflank nature. Evolution didn’t give us fibrous flaps over our noses and mouths. Yet we’re still here. I would guess that, on average, transmission of viruses between people is approximately optimal without extra masks. I can’t prove it, scientifically, but rationally, I am guessing that evolution gets it about right, and that our instincts also play a role in how close we get to each other and so on.
I agree. I think the science on that is still to be determined somewhat, but it can’t be ruled out there being severe unintended consequences of a masked population which seems a second thought to reducing the spread/virulence of the virus. Of course, the current reasoning for masks is to slow/halt the spread which is scientifically disproven but at what point do they subtlety say they’re ‘following the science’ all along?
There’s also the trifling fact that to be sure of transmitting Covid to you, I’d have to have symptomatic Covid and I’d have to breathe or, preferably, cough over you at point-blank range, preferably in an enclosed space and for several minutes.
Which is not the sort of thing I make a habit of.
Good point about evolution. We have eyelids, outer ears, foreskins or labia, and buttocks. In other words our sensitive parts have evolved to have an appropriate level of protection. Clothing is another issue as it’s primarily cultural. Clothing over our “middle” parts can be temporarily removed to allow them to function as intended, but we breathe all the time, so it’s a false argument that a mask is just another item of clothing like underwear.
It’s funny how the argument is portrayed though, isn’t it? Clearly, the people who want us to wear masks are the ones proposing the radical intervention that goes against nature and evolution. But we end up sounding like crazy eccentrics when we argue against it.
As I think I may have said before, you’ll be pleased to hear that “do nothing” is always the first option on a policy paper. I believe that the decision, that do-nothing would be catastrophic, was both correct in itself and correctly taken on the basis of the information available at the time. You, I think, disagree on both counts.
In defence of my assessment, I point to the situation in Manaus and Guayaquil as examples of what actually happened in the real world when “do nothing” was, more or less, the policy. I believe these go some way to supporting my position.
I bow to your expertise on Amazonia, but while you are able to rank its death rate as high (supposedly, if we believe the figures, etc…) you can’t say that in absolute terms it is worse than a lockdown would have produced in the medium and long term. What was the age profile of the people who died? In terms of QALYs, does it still look so bad? Etc.
And it may be an example of a relatively remote area developing the death-by-common-cold syndrome. Ferguson et al. don’t take into account the danger of preventing the natural spread of viruses at low levels throughout populations. Gupta speculates that international air travel may have, ironically, reduced the chance of the global immune system being caught out by the next Spanish Flu or Black Death. The lockdowns may be reversing that trend.
I claim no special expertise on Amazonia. I don’t make any comparisons with the effect of lockdown: I’m just saying that these cases serve as comparators for the estimates of the effect of do-nothing, which have widely and incorrectly misinterpreted as a prediction of the effects of a particular, rather unpopular, do-something strategy.
But Manaus and Brazil has been thoroughly debunked:
https://medium.com/dfrlab/empty-hospitals-fake-burials-and-chloroquine-systemic-disinfo-downplays-covid-19-7eb91d784165
I’m trying to find the links and videos from a couple of months ago where the Brazilian Police raided a hospital that as claiming hundreds and thousands of covid-19 patients when it was empty.
Like a lot of this stuff it’s been “buried deep” or disappeared.
Nothing was done in haiti and the fatality rate was minimal. Pakistan blew off their lockdown so people didn’t starve to death, and the effect was not catastrophic. Numerous African countries have instituted severe lockdowns, but their fatality rate is minimal whereas that of Peru is off the scale.
There are legitimate questions to be asked about why deaths vary so much in countries that have adopted similar policies, but you aren’t asking them. You are focusing on two cities in Brazil and imaging that this proves your entire argument, when it does not.
Epidemiologists have given the advice they are equipped to give, but they are not qualified to assess the psychological, social, or economic effects of their advice. It is true that politicians are not taking responsiblity for these decisions, but Muh Scientists are also overreaching by insisting that their advice is more important than that of others. They are making themselves look a lot like they have other agendas, even if they do not. Perhaps Scientists need to learn a bit of humility and remember how to work constructively with others before the public just start ignoring them, with is also an outcome we can look forward to if this keeps up.
Maybe you should take this argument to the cardiologists in NY?
http://www.ptca.org/news/2020/0408_INCREASED_DEATHS_NYC.html
Your figures have a fatal flaw.You assume and accept the official death rate.It is proven fact that the figures were manipulated and even Covid was assumed to be cause of death despite no positive test.Throw in the care homes fiasco which happened in New York where emergency care was denied to residents and your IFR has no basis in reality.
Epidemiology Modelling is the equivalent of predicting the future from the entrails if dead animals
I don’t have access to the special sources of knowledge that you claim to.
I don’t know why I’m bothering to answer that remark, but no. Modelling is capable, at the very least, of clarifying what information is needed to make a decision, and generating hypotheses that are capable of being tested against reality.
No, completely wrong. There is not a single place on Earth, where anything like these kind of death rates have occurred. It’s science fiction. Many countries did nothing, or very little.
I agree, it is also highly relevant that the Ferguson model has always produced gross overestimates when compared to reality.
I’m not arguing against Feynman, of course. I’m pointing out that under these circumstances you can’t do an experiment. You have to make a decision, and you have to do it on the basis of the facts in front of you, and informed by the accumulated knowledge about how the world works that science has already provided. Policy decisions aren’t designs for a scientific experiment.
Fair enough, but on the basis of the facts & knowledge (e.g. no evidence to support mandating a lockdown of healthy people) the policy decisions were at best dubious back in March and it was obvious by the end of April that the harms were outweighing the benefits.
I think we can now say that there is experimental evidence that the NPI measures have not had a positive effect and the more stringent the measures are the more negative the outcome – the cases of Sweden & Peru show this.
Recent policy decisions are not fact based: There is no good evidence that compulsory mask wearing reduces virus transmission and the ‘rule of 6’ has absolutely no rational justification whatsoever.
I’m referring, I hope consistently to the policy decision that “do-nothing” was not an option. That’s not the same as saying that I think the simple 510,000 figure supported any particular something in the do-something decision. For example, the difference between mitigate and suppress (Sweden and lockdown, roughly speaking) in Paper 9 comes from a model I haven’t examined and don’t care to comment on.
How much weight do you think the figure of 510,000 deaths from a model with a consistent track record of gross overestimation should have been given? Was there not sufficient evidence back in March to show it was a very poor basis for any policy? How much credence should models of complex systems ever be given?
For what it’s worth I think the pre lockdown, wash your hands etc policy was correct and that the predictions of catastrophic consequences have become a convenient and irrefutable (hence meaningless) post hoc excuse “it would have been far far worse if we had not [insert panic reaction here]”
Another quote, not my favourite philosopher but this one hits the mark 100%
A good question. How much weight do you give to a figure which is supported by several different models independelty written by different people and working in different ways? Because that’s the situation here.
As to a “track record of gross over-estimation”, I think it’s fair to say that some (I don’t say all) of that record is a result of media exaggeration and the persistent repetition of misleading commentary. Again, I don’t defend every single pronouncement Prof. Ferguson has ever made: I simply suggest that his track record should be based on what he did say rather than media distortions or hostile misreporting of it.
I do not think there was. That specific figure informed the decision not to go with do-nothing: I think there was a reasonable amount of evidence for that decision, and that decision was correct.
That’s not to say that I think the specific something following on from the do-something decision decision was necessarily the right something: that is a different question, which I am not addressing.
42.
You CAN do an experiment. You can create a hypothesis that Sweden, with it’s far less stringent response, should have a higher death rate per capita than the UK. Use the data for cities of > 100 000 people to remove population density effects. You will see that there is no significant difference in death rates and the hypothesis (or model) is incorrect. Ferguson’s model was invalid, with starting points plucked from thin air, incorrect assumptions on fatality rates and no account taken of the age profile. The most generous interpretation is that he had to start somewhere. But we should now follow the wisdom of Richard Feynman posted above and recognise that the hypothesis was completely wrong.
incidentally, your earlier analogy with someone being advised not to jump off a 100m building as a quick way down is misplaced. Your model has been falsified by previous “experiments”. People who in the past have fallen off high buildings have hit the ground at a terminal velocity in every sense.
I’m talking about the difference between do-nothing and do-something: you’re talking about the difference between various sorts of something.
My claim is that the consequences of a near “do-nothing” policy for Manaus and Guayaquil were catastrophic. Are you quite sure you want to nail your colours to the mast of that being, in your words, “completely wrong”?
How have you dealt with all the other variables, Richard ? Poverty, overcrowding, etc. ?
I’m not claiming to deal with them. I’m saying this is the data we have in hand. Some people, see below, are suggesting it’s not reliable, and that’s a fair point to make, which I’m not able to address right now. But the boot is now on the other foot: given a reasonably good approximation of a do-nothing scenario, with a catastrophic outcome, the onus is on those who believe that do-nothing would not have been catastrophic in the UK, to say what the difference is, and support it with scientific argument, evidence and experiment — all those things that modellers have been criticised for not having. For what it’s worth, I’m happy to agree that there are plausible reasons to hypothesise that the outcome is likely to be worse in cities, which could be investigated.
The “do nothing” presumed an 80% exposure to the virus. Manaus ( I’ve just double checked ) had a sero pos of 20%, but that doesn’t prove that only 20% of the population were exposed. So again, nowhere on Earth.
I didn’t start out as a conspiracy theorist. But sometimes you have to wonder. Have a look at the clip of the fat controller’s comments in Parliament last week: “the world we want to move to as fast as possible is one where everybody can take an enabling test, an antigen test at the start of each day…” If this isn’t a red flag I don’t know what is. Wtaf
https://youtu.be/LzmcHAbcoqg
love it
Yes, I transcribed the quote for those of us who, like me, can no longer look at him without vomiting
It is also delusional, the technology does not exist.
The fat controller is begining to resemble other infamous megalomaniac dictators living in a bunker surrounded by equally deluded sycophants.
It may be delusion and the technology may not exist but its indicative of the road they wish to travel. That is the road we are on.
It would never work but he’s seeded the idea that to be able to go to work or partake in any form of social life you will need permission from the government .
Vaccine and immunity passports anyone
I really do think that is the idea. That people will be so relieved that they won’t have to be tested everyday when it’s announced they can have a vaccine instead.
Exactly. Make everyone’s life so miserable that they will be desperate to get back to “normality” no matter what the cost.
Exactly – he has told you that you have no freedom and that the only freedom do have will be that allowed by the govt. We used to pride ourselves (hubris maybe) on our ability to look down on totalitarian states. Now we have one of our own there is barely a whisper.
Time to overthrow the government. By hook or by crook.
Hitler shot himself and his wife.
Goebbels and his wife poisoned themselves and their six children.
Bunkers are bad for you.
Fascism ain’t good for you either.
Himmler and Goering poisoned themselves.
Hoess was hanged on the scene of his crimes.
Mussolini and his mistress were shot and strung up upside down in a public square.
One could lengthen the list.
Putting the fat controller and all his crew in the stocks would be sufficient. I suggest a nationwide tour of the guilty so we could bombard them all with soggy, filthy masks, using dog ball throwers to avoid bacterial contamination.
Let’s.
Yes, this is what the “conspiracy theorists” have been warning us off for some time: a world where you have to carry your test status with you at all times or you will be denied entry to work, public transport, etc… Soon to be followed by similar regulations but with vaccine status replacing test status. How people cannot see this or worse are ok with it, is beyond me.
This is insane. They are insane. We are not insane.
Better late than never. 🙂 If we’re going to end this nonsense, it’s important to recognise it for what it truly is
There is your proof folks. PM Johnson is definitely living in cloud cuckoo land.
and in other news which caught my eye.
Half of the English Covid fatatlities over the last week have come from one hospital, Tamesdie and Glossop . This can be explained only in two ways . The office for reporting the deaths has been on furlough for 6 months or there is a staff grade doctor who is covid obsessed who lacks the imagination to think of any other cause as to why the 97 year old might have died on ward 2 B . I suspect the latter. ….
Prof Heneghan points out the lack of any medical evidence base for the rule of six
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-needs-to-bin-the-rule-of-six
and finally in Victoria a state I know well having close medical collegues who work there ; after two months of 23 hour day imprisonment some relaxation. An individual can vist another single person
” Single people will have some relief, with one nominated visitor now allowed into a single person, or single parent home.” but they will have to be masked up . Melbourne is ruled by a horror called Dan Andrews who has shut down parliament.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/call-to-tweak-5km-restriction-to-help-melbourne-businesses-survive/news-story/a0671905ede66f1463c9fc508ca18330
Honoria Glossop?
An update from Bolton Town centre yesterday.
On approaching the town hall square was a huge LCD display, with rotating propaganda. I took a video but cannot link here, so here goes.
STOP A BOLTON LOCKDOWN
DON’T MIX WITH OTHER HOUSEHOLDS
YOU WILL BE FINED IF YOU DO
STOP A BOLTON LOCKDOWN
PUBS, BARS, RESTAURANTS, CAFES, TAKEAWAYS
STOP A BOLTON LOCKDOWN
HAVE SYMPTOMS? GET A TEST
Strategically placed 10 metres beyond was a popup station manned with young people wearing Bolton Council high-viz jackets.
This was my conversation.
“Would you like a test kit to take home with you?”
“Why would I need a test, I have no symptoms.”
“You can take one and if you do get symptoms you can test yourself.”
“But I don’t have any symptoms.”
“It would be good if you did get tested though.”
“No it wouldn’t. It may return a false positive result or positive for any other coronavirus.”
“Oh, yes.”
“And the end result will be lockdown that you are trying to avoid.”
“OK, thanks for your time anyway.”
I stood for 10 minutes and lost count of the many others who gave them their postcode and simply walked away with test kits. We’re fighting a losing battle.
Thanks for the feedback. Waste of taxpayers money.
I thinks lots of people want to brag that they had covid
Once the novelty wears off – and it isn’t far off, I hope – there will be nobody left to test.
wrong I am afraid. I had a chat to someone manning the testing centre … he told me they saw a lot of the same faces . It is a bit like my day in general practice ; although I have 2,500 on my list 60 % of my day list are familiar frequent flyers with not a lot wrong.
That is disappointing
Apparently, in the dear dead days when doctors dealt with people, a lot of lonely folk used to turn up regularly with non- diseases just because it gave them an interest in life, and enabled them to chat to other people in the waiting room.
Same people now lapping up pseudo-tests, I’ll be bound.
My Doctor calls them “the worried well”
I think I’m right in saying that the last government of this country that actually meaningfully had any tax money to spend on anything was that of Elizabeth I. Every government since has used the actual tax money to service the debt, while borrowing more money against the promise of future tax revenue and using that to pay for stuff.
Which isn’t to diminish the scale of the current problem, just to say that it’s only the scale of the problem that’s new.
Will there even be any taxpayers left?
Isn’t there a “bounty” for the low paid for being in quarantine?
Find someone with recent symptoms, use the “home” test on them and send it in. A recent properly infected person could make a killing from taking a percentage.
Is there anything of monetary value, or domestic/diy use, in the test kits ? 🙂
Interesting that if you want to book a test then you can only do it if you have symptoms but if you are in a town that has been chosen as a target for lockdown than anyone can get a test – and for no particular reason.
How do these places get selected, I wonder?
I am guessing it’s partly due to socioeconomic factors such as population density, poverty, genetic predispositions to fatty liver disease, obesity, and a high prevalence of communities where people live/work/socialise in extended, multigenerational families.
On Marr this morning: nursing homes are complaining it is taking 8 to 14 days to get PCR test results. We are also being told that their is a worrying increase in positive PCR tests from nursing homes (the more testing phenomenon?)
So, if the increase in ‘cases’ in nursing homes are from test results that are up to 14 days old – have there been any serious symptoms yet?
If there had been I’m sure we would have heard – maybe the PCR test is simply not fit for purpose….
Never mind the symptoms, where’s the care home deaths ? IIRC the window for dying is 14-20 days after showing symptons so with such a huge delay with results you’d be expecting a spike in the number of deaths by now maybe?
I referred above to the Vivaldi paper – 80% of +ve tests in care homes were asymptomatic so didn’t lead to ‘cases’.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vivaldi-1-coronavirus-covid-19-care-homes-study-report/vivaldi-1-covid-19-care-homes-study-report
Also asked yesterday… Will a common cold caught tomorrow offer more chance of T-Cell cross immunity against Rona than one caught say a year ago?
An interesting question! It would be good if it did.
Thousands marched in #Montreal, #Canada against wearing #mask
https://twitter.com/GlbBreakNews/status/1305030923008847874
I live in Montreal and arrived just at the beginning of the march. I took some photos and a short video. I was overjoyed because I haven’t seen much of a fuss being made here for the past five months. Hope for more, with more people, next Saturday. Concurrent with yours and others around the world.
PETER HITCHENS: How the Government is wading into the swamp of despotism – one muzzle at a time
Vaccine development dangers
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/09/for-an-effective-covid-vaccine-look-beyond-antibodies-to-t-cells/
In the link, a scientific argument is advanced that the rush to develop a vaccine based on an antibody response to one spike protein, rushed out, is dangerous. Yet that is exactly what is happening now.
The danger is that can be short lived and make the bodies response to subsequent infection weaker.
An effective vaccine should stimulate a long lasting T cell response. This can be measured within the development phase and has been done effectively in the case of the established Yellow Fever Vaccine.
My interpretation is this:
It is far safer to scrap the lockdown and go for herd immunity now, than risk more deaths with rushing out a dodgy vaccine.
And the only test worth having is not yet readily available: a T cell test.
And probably a lot less expensive than Hancock’s 100 billion scheme.
Had a day out in Blackpool yesterday. Here’s some observations.
The Bad:
About 10% of people walking about on the golden mile wore face masks, the vast majority were under 50, a lot under 30!
The Good:
Queued up for a few things and you would have thought social distancing had been dropped.
Mask adherence in some arcades was about 70%, there were plenty of fellow humans. Sadly my Wife couldn’t bring herself to join us such is the psychological power of the herd.
There seemed to be a lot of groups outdoors where one or two people out of say a group of 6-8 people were masked. This gave me the impression people might be saying “wear one if you want but i’m not bothering”. This might help overcome the power of the herd or maybe even create a new herd mentality in the other direction?
You can see why so many young people rush to sign up for wars when you see how our youth have been so unquestionably compliant.
Sky news Australia, if only we had more mainstream news like this here:
https://youtu.be/hL9yG2pWgY4
Everyone’s just going round in circles here echoing each others’ thoughts.
It’s nice to massage your own opinions with those same ones from others, but it doesn’t get anything done. I’m no initiator, but I will follow a good lead – anyone?
Become an evangelist for lockdown skepticism.You need to enable people to see the truth for themselves.Most people know this is rubbish now but lack the means to convince themselves.Months of brainwashing have taken its toll and and you need to break that down with facts.
A man boarding the bus yesterday had forgotten his mask. As he was boarding, an elderly lady was getting off and said “here son, you can have mine. I’ve only had it on for 10 minutes.” He took it too. I couldn’t move for laughing!
Proof that people aren’t actually scared dimwits – like we often like to think and I’m sometimes guilt of – but instead just want a quiet life
I don’t consider being forced to wear a used facemask a ‘quite life’.
Neither do I but would hazard a guess you are a stubborn, belligerent get. As am I.
Well these “quiet life” cunts are going to be the end of freedom for all of us.
Hi TyLean,
Thread hijack. Apologies if this has been asked already, but do you know what happened about Tony? I often wonder what the outcome was.
I understand of course if you can’t say anything.
T.
They sound very much like the average fuckwits who populate this isle. seemingly allowing the uk to become a communist state even if “they just want a quiet life”
My respect for the bitish people is at it’s lowest ever
Despite the decades of brainwashing we have all been subjected to i am at a loss to what i witness every day
We are in deep deep trouble
More positively, we have a big big opportunity. 🙂
Yes, I will never be able to view the British people in he same light again.
Peter Hitchens is correct – the vast majority are not entitled to sing the words to Rule Britannia: ‘Britons never will be slaves’.
2 bits of disturbing feedback from twitter commentsI have made;
All of this for virus where around 800 are in hospital and very few people are dying!
As you can imagine also had some negative twitter comments but only to be expected.
I have a relative who was recently hospitalised. Everyone is presumed Covid until proven otherwise. what goes on the med charts is “?covid.” So, if they say 35 suspected cases at XYY Hospital, you know what that means – 35 new in patients who have not yet tested negative.
re your first point.. this is why everyone must NOT refer to cases. they are “tests which show a positive reaction”.. I’ve even had to stick a reminder here to Toby/Will who in the past have referred to cases since the inference that the general public have is as you describe – they think a case is a person who is ill with covid.
Great point
They think the same in Quebec City. Devious.
1. Across the western world a covid case is declared as a positive test. This takes precedent over any clinical examination. Rotten and written in to health care policy.
I honestly think people are starting to get bored of it now, however, my worry is what will happen once winter comes and they’ll have their numbers in the form of the Annual Winter Flu.
The goalposts have already been conveniently moved from deaths to infections (flu deaths are only tracked in regards to “excess winter deaths” rather then definitive flu deaths, so flu infections will be easier to track, I imagine) and they’ve already stated:
“Two new tests – both able to detect the virus in just 90 minutes – will be made available to NHS hospitals, care homes and labs. The 2 tests will be able to detect both COVID-19 and other winter viruses such as flu and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV).”
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/roll-out-of-2-new-rapid-coronavirus-tests-ahead-of-winter
Two tests. For flu and covid. I imagine they’ll either merge the numbers into a big, scary headline and then state at the very bottom of the article “there were 3 covid cases and 24,623 flu cases”. Or they’ll just start claiming that this year’s winter flu is a new strain of covid.
It’s actually really hard to find flu infection numbers, but it will be in the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands, so big numbers compared to the pathetic amounts they’ve now tried to condition people to think are scary.
Either way, once they have their flu infection numbers, I think a lot of people will get scared back into compliance. With everyone I speak to about this I always add the caveat “they’re going to manufacture a second wave based on flu numbers, so once they start doing this in late October-early November, do not start getting worried again.”
They don’t follow the science they follow the opinion polls with leading questions like this.
If hopping on one leg instead of walking on two legs stopped the dreaded and devastating Second Wave would you support heavy fines for people walking on two legs?
Yes 69%
Don’t know 30%
No 1%
Protest in Madrid yesterday demanding the resignation of the government. According to the paper OK Diario, the crowd called not only for the resignation of Premier Sanchez, but that he serve prison time.They also criricised media lies and the misinformation surronding tests and the false positives they throw up. The organisers were also critical of the vote of no confidence against the government which has been called by the right wing populist Vox party.They stated that it would be the Spanish people who throw Sanchez out of power.and pledged to organise protests of millions of people all over Spain if he doesn’t resign in the next fortnight.The press said there were 2,500 at the protest. Here’s a video. Seems the press can’t count. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pnYQw2rMg
UK to follow?
In my email to my MP last week I said that our government should be facing this.
We need to set up a Robben Island for these asshats when they get found out. The fat Conductor and his side dick Handjob can be in charge of clearing the latrines
Encouraging, however I can’t see any politician taking them seriously when they all wear the muzzle of compliance!
I know it’s frustrating seeing so many muzzled but the rationale is that the police will shut the protest down if people don’t wear them. Spanish police enforce this and will fine people. Maybe at protests everybody, at a given signal, should just bin the vile rags. They can’t fine everyone.
Drop Premier Sanchez in the middle of a Bull Run.
5-17 year olds admitted to hospital over the past few months up to Sept 2nd.
If I read that right, a 100% increase comes from testing people already in hospital for something else?
It’s impsossible to know as an outsider how people manage get into hospital without getting tested first. 111, doctors, all the NHS gate keepers tell people to get tested before presenting at hospital but still over the whole period only 18% of all covid hospital patients had a positive test in advance of getting into hospital. Currently about 35% of new patients were tested in advance. I suspect this is because most people who end up in hospital came from another part of the care system, they didn’t catch the virus in Tescos!
The BBC et al have been banging a drum about new hospitalisations but this is from a very low base & it looks like many have come from care homes.
Remember, 50% of all care homes had a covid outbreak which means lots of their residents had some exposure, enough to test positive on a PCR test. By November 50% of all the people who were in care homes when the virus hit will have died (the average life expectancy in a care home is 20 months). There are/were 420,000 people in care homes. If half were in care homes with an outbreak that’s 210,00 with some possible exposure. Of those 100,000 will have died naturally by about November (430 of them die every day!!!!), we don’t know that these people aren’t the people getting tested in hospital, dying & driving the whole thing.
Yet care home residents have natural immunity as well – from the Government ‘Vivaldi’ paper referenced by Ferguson (“F the Good” not “F the bad”):
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vivaldi-1-coronavirus-covid-19-care-homes-study-report/vivaldi-1-covid-19-care-homes-study-report
” Based on analysis of test results from the Whole Care Home Testing Programme (of all 9,081 homes tested via pillar 2 between 11 May and 7 June):
……80.9% of residents who tested positive were asymptomatic (5,455 out of 6,747)”
Actually I don’t tell people to get tested when I refer them to hospital, neither do my colleagues.
Oh, why not? I’ve not been able to find anyone who can shed any light on this.
Why would the NHS collate a set of data for those coming into hospital with a pre-existing test & those tested when an inpatient?
I’m also interested in the findings from here:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9
…. which suggests onlt 1.7% of patients presenting to GPs as potential covid patients prove to be covid positive & a further 3.5% or so are ‘possible’ covid.
Because the data is all so half assed you never know what you’re dealing with.
We used to joke, over twenty years ago, that one day governments would tax people as soon as they stepped outside their front doors. Little did we know how close to the future truth we were. Test yourself for a virus each day before you can go out, FFS, if people genuinely think this is a great idea then we’re done for as a species. I’ll be swabbing the dog’s arse or sticking it in the fishtank.
And it will return a positive result!
Somebody yesterday reported a positive result from a potato. Well, at least a potato isn’t likely to object to a fortnight’s house arrest.
And presumably it would be used to being chipped ?
Eye!
Thankfully the potato made a full recovery and is back to doing a great job of running the country.
18-64 year olds admitted to hospital.
Covid bed occupancy v all NHS England bed occupancy.
Wonderful stuff Nick, a big thank you as ever. Keep it coming please, this is great ‘bite sized’ info that packs a punch bigger than it should. Will be using this info to continue the campaign of informing the brainwashed. Cheers, Arnie.
Cases v deaths
Nick, do you share these outside this forum?
At face value you can see why there would be worry as the red increases but this chart closes that down.
But it needs more mainstream discussion like Sky News in Aus are doing.
Perhaps they could be a starting point?
This is why the narrative has shifted to ‘long covid’. People stopped being scared of a non-deadly virus
‘long covid’ is just one of the new fictional narrative strands used to keep panic alive – there’s ‘second wave’, the ‘R’ number and, of course, the ‘casedemic’.
‘Long covid’ does make me laugh. How ridiculous. I had a fracture that took around 6-8 months before it healed properly, enough to regain 98%+ movement. Someone else I was told got through a virtually identical injury in about 8-10 weeks… Does that mean I was suffering from “Long Bone?” or maybe I’m unique, anyone know a Trademark lawyer?! 🙂
Nick Hornby’s “High Fidelity”:
“It’s only Just beginning to occur to me that it’s important to have something going on somewhere, at work or at home, otherwise you’re just clinging on…. You need as much ballast as possible to stop you floating away; you need people around you, things going on…..”
Love the film. Those words are so relevant today.
‘polling in the Guardian, Covid is causing even more acrimony and division than Brexit!’
This completely awful and negative poll is what you would expect from the Guardian. What is the point of it other than to sow yet more fear, hate and division? This rag, and the BBC, have been responsible for fomenting animosity and bitterness in society and are simply following the Government in their ‘divide and rule strategy’
According to the Guardian: 58% of those polled have severely negative attitudes towards non mask wearers. By these same figures it implies that 48% (and if my area is anything to go by it is growing!) couldn’t give a fig.
Wouldn’t it be a positive thing for society if the Guardian could put a positive slant on any survey they do? But why would they when that is not their reason de’tre?
As a Groan sceptic, with the badge of honour of being banned from commenting for truth-telling that doesn’t suit their agenda – I don’t think that the findings of this survey are surprising.
I didn’t read the poll, but speaking personally I feel very hostile now to non-sceptics, especially towards people I regard as intelligent, who purport to be politically aware, who have not bothered themselves to find out if what the government is doing is justified. If they knew what I think of them, they would probably feel hostile to me.
I was always very tolerant of other people’s political views, and had lots of friends whose views I found utterly mad or bad but managed to put that to one side and enjoy their good qualities and their friendship. I cannot do that any more, because this issue is orders of magnitude more important than anything we have faced I suppose since WW2 – this to me is basically the modern of equivalent of do we capitulate to Hitler or fight him? BTW I am not comparing the PM to Hitler, egregious as the PM is. I am comparing the gravity of the choice.
One of the clearest signs that the tide is turning to me is how the government have shifted their enforcement of their lockdown rules. In March, compliance was voluntary, enforcement and fines were limited and the masses meekly agreed to follow the rules under the expectation that Covid would kill alot more.
Now the government has switched to strict enforcement with Marshals and enforced fines because many people have made their own logical conclusions, have looked beyond the constant fear mongering of the media and come to the realisation that life cannot be on hold forever.
This change happened because compliance is dying. It’s one of the clearest indicators that the narrative is starting to collapse.
Apparently, there is a model for it
They will enforce the narrative. Just look at oz.
Have you heard hancock speak? He even tells you this
Bollocks. Hancock nearly always lies, I have observed.
If there is a social and economic collapse, then many of the fears around fines disappear. What is the worry about an unpaid fine ending up as a CCJ if there’s no credit to be had anyway? And if several million homeowners end up defaulting on their mortgages, who would repossessions be carried out, and who on earth would buy the houses anyway? Even the most rapacious form of neo-liberalism requires a degree of rationality. Even police brutality breaks down if there’s no money for the police to be paid, or if the food supply becomes so restricted that the money is worthless.
I dearly hope you’re right.
Face masks forever then?
Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/
Only one article? My barometer for muzzles is a young woman who walks her dog past my house every day, she’s had a muzzle on until the last few days, when she’s had it under her chin.
Preparing muzzles everywhere directive
Trying to. Won’t happen
The Government appear to have adopted the New Zealand narrative of ‘zero covid’, they will spend any amount of tax payers money, sacrifice any number of cancer patients, restrict any number of civil liberties to save one more life.
However, they’re trying to do it with a version of Lockdown Lite.
The 2 are incompatible. This is the fundamental problem, a refusal to treat people like grown ups, an infantalisation of the population in pursuit of an impossible outcome. This paradox is what’s driving the country apart.
Twas ever thus. Doing things on the cheap / end up paying more is this country’s M.O
Zero covid
Zero carbon
Actually what they want is
Zero people
Logical outcome
Comment of the day Anon. Totally, 100%, nail hit on the head.
Yep. No people, no Covid.
Which suggests the shot-callers actually are aliens from Beta Draconis. I knew it all along …
Nope. You’ll have to figure it out for yourself johnb.
Alpha Davos more like
The False Positive argument, while valid, is becoming a bit of a red herring. It does not wholly explain the increase in case numbers.
The Covid SYMPTOM study is showing a rapid rise in symptomatic cases. The number of symptomatic cases has more than doubled since August 25th.
There is a genuine rise in Covid cases. It may not be a problem but as I’ve maintained all along, we are nowhere near to Herd Immunity level.
There may well be a rise, but we wouldn’t know that from the Covid Symptoms Study. That relies on self-report- no test or clinical judgement involved.
Indeed. People get a cold and panic.
No link at all to reality of a proper test.
Goodness me.
Link please
Go away
I disagree with what “he” says as well, but you would be better arguing the point.
We need to be able to successfully challenge what our critics say.
Saying “Go away” isn’t a very good way of convincing fence sitters that we are right and they are wrong.
erm… people are reporting symptoms that are also common cold symptoms – all the other mild respiratory illnesses do increase at this time of year….
Keep grasping at those straws Hellmans…
i have had symptoms all week … its a cold.. i have taken paracetamol and used a lot of tissues . I am sure as hell not going to present myself for a test, I think i had covid at the start of the year so would probably show as positive due to RNA fragments
Where’s the deaths ?
I often wondered mayo..
Do they pay overtime on sunday? Down the seventy seventh?
Challenge what he says instead of countering with childishness.
Im speaking from the gut here john. Learned a long time ago not to feed the trolls and to call them out asap
Last time I looked at the Covid symptoms they were about the same as any side effect printed on my anti histamine pills!—or indeed on any prescribed medicine!
There is a rise in +ve tests (data below, extracted from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing) – which needs explaining.
However, the Ferguson paper raises such important points about Governmental innumeracy and illiteracy that I simply don’t believe any of the data any more.
I feel another letter to my MP coming on!
Date reported All pillars Daily cases % +ve
10/09/2020 227,465 2,919 1.28%
09/09/2020 209,609 2,659 1.27%
08/09/2020 195,692 2,460 1.26%
07/09/2020 189,974 2,948 1.55%
06/09/2020 191,588 2,988 1.56%
05/09/2020 210,463 1,813 0.86%
04/09/2020 206,883 1,940 0.94%
03/09/2020 203,221 1,735 0.85%
02/09/2020 175,687 1,508 0.86%
01/09/2020 181,934 1,295 0.71%
I think this is explicable: they went through a phase of encouraging asymptomatic testing, and still are in some areas. Then quickly told people to only get a test if they have symptoms, in the past week or so. So that will have helped boost the percentage positive a little.
Or there could be something wrong at one of the labs, but it would be hard to know that without full access to data.
Do you get paid more for working on a Sunday?
Just noted that this question had already been asked 🤣
It’s normally double for a Sunday
Well he didnt answer so might as well ask again
Challenge what he says. I disagree with him too.
We need to be able to successfully counter what our critics say.
This childish riposte does not help our case.
It’s rather helpful to identify professional trolls as early as possible
You have know idea who this person is.
Irrespective of his motivations we should still accept this as an opportunity to better hone and defend our arguments against criticism.
Free speech means that not everyone will say things we like or agree with.
I agree that the default response, if one is to have any credibility, to those who have different opinions must be to engage rather dismiss, but Mayo has consistently posted rather generalised statements seemingly designed to provoke, and then declined to respond to any replies, many of which are attempts to engage in debate regarding the substance of his position – just as he/she has done today.
On that basis, I think we should just ignore Mayo, not because we don’t like him/her, or his/her views, but simply because it’s a waste of time to do otherwise, and life is too short. Richard Pinch, by contrast, is happy to debate and deserves to be engaged with.
Fair point.
Do what you normally do mayo – put on a comment that is pro-narrative or just totally undepefensable and then when people reply with links, facts figures and so on disappear for there its of the day until you pop up and repeat the modus operandi again.
You never seem to come back with anything meaningful once challenged though.
Why not?
Doesn’t Tobias Ellwood MP let you have access to anything that goes against the narrative in Hermitage in case you get independent ideas?
Covid symptoms:
temperature; applies to any infection non specific
cough with or without phlegm : any number of upper and lower respiratory tract infections, COPD, lung cancer
Loss of sense of taste or smell: nose congestion, allergy, Cranial Nerve injury, stroke, TIA, tumour.
Simple : ‘Seek and Ye Shall Find”
… especially if any ‘case’ can be diagnosed as ‘Covid’ because of the inclusivity of the list of symptoms.
Wow, there’s one well-fed troll.
The best objective found is this
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1304802018972897280/photo/1
My question to you is so what are you proposing? Carl Heneghan in his Spectator article said we had to either have a policy of learning to live with it or go all out for zero covid and wreck the country in the process As it is we have a headless chicken management policy of trying to do both things at once and getting nowhere.
Given your concerns; what is your suggested policy, what do you see as an achievable end game?
This rise in ‘cases’,a lot of them just historic traces of Covid having gone through the population, actually takes us towards herd immunity. The Swedes know this, and so should we.
Hmmm there havent been any trrrist attacks that the media won’t shutup about for what seems like months now
Ahhh yes i guess the badies all died of covid
Yayy! The virus is really that clever that it only kills bad people. And we thought that it was clever staying in the school corridors…
Bozo and Wancock are still here though, so that’s that theory blown
Criminally negligent decisions made by Johnson, Hancock and Sturgeon led directly to many (perhaps even most) of the March-April Covid deaths. Yet not only are these people still in power – and not, say, remanded in custody – we continue to accept, with nary a whisper of protest, whatever new piece of autocratic, scientifically-illiterate nonsense they throw in our direction.
We don’t even object to the contemptuously moralising tone with which their nonsense is communicated. The late great Christopher Hitchens – and boy do we miss his enlightened brilliance these days – frequently said: “I’m sorry, I simply won’t be spoken to in that tone of voice.”
Let this be our refrain if, in pursuance of leading a normal but socially responsible life, we are confronted and threatened by any “rascal beadle” policeman or compliance officer. They are after all representatives of those politicians whose only proven expertise during this crisis has been in the very offence – “granny killing” – for which they desire to lash and accuse the young. Well, as Lear once bewailed: “Strip thine own back.”
Well said Eyquem.
You need to do your homework, Schwarzenegger.
Well said, but let’s have less of the ‘we’. We here do object to them and their loathsome pronouncements, and we make the fact clear whenever possible.
Fair comment. It was originally a Facebook post. I thought of tweaking it to reflect the very different audience on LS, but I ultimately decided to let it stand unchanged as a piece of rhetoric.
The late great Christopher Hitchens – and boy do we miss his enlightened brilliance these days
lol, sigh, well his brother doesn’t. Generally Peter (a practicing Christian) mentions the Iraq War – which his brother supported – when Christopher’s fanboys stop by.
There’s also his very amusing old fashioned male Chauvinism. Christopher is on film saying that “Mrs Hitchens shouldn’t have to work if she doesn’t want to”.
It’s worse than I remembered, “No, I’m not having any woman of mine go to work”. Proof here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQas34criFo
hilarious … such “enlightened brilliance” from Christopher Hitchens (sarcasm)
He also took on the ancient male chauvinisms of established religion by constantly saying things like this:
“The cure for poverty has a name, in fact: it’s called the empowerment of women. If you give women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, take them off the animal cycle of reproduction to which nature and some doctrine—religious doctrine condemns them, and then if you’ll throw in a handful of seeds perhaps and some credit, the floor of everything in that village, not just poverty, but education, health, and optimism will increase.”
So yes, he is a courageous figure of modern enlightenment and greatly missed by those who cherish such values.
So you claim.
Did you watch the piece I posted? I think it is very clear that C Hitchens was at heart an old fashioned male chauvinist as well as a religious bigot.
His brother tires of his fanboys.
Yes I did see it. I’ve seen it before. I am, as you suggest, a fanboy. And proud to be one, sir. This seems like standard Hitch-fare to me. Seeing he has rubbed an interviewer up the wrong way, he purposely doubles down to get an outraged reaction. He lived for those audience gasps. He was a born provocateur.
I am sorry that I am not as outraged by this interview as I am of religious apologists who speak on behalf of communities and organisations that have denied the rights of womanhood for many hundreds of years, but I guess the taking of offence is a very subjective thing.
Anyway, you don’t like Christopher Hitchens. I do. I don’t see how such a disagreement can be resolved, nor how it could be of any conceivable interest to anyone else on this forum.
That said, I do think that your description of one of the world’s most famous atheists (actually anti-theists) as a “religious bigot” is so original that it deserves a thread of its own!
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1304502039389573121.html
A very good twitter thread about PCR tests and Ct value
“Only samples with a CT value under 35 are considered positive in Taiwan, while those over 32 are unlikely to be contagious, Chuang said.”
“No-Lockdown Uruguay is the blue spot on the red continent below. Positivity Rate is 0,7%; neighboring countries surpass 50%. Plausible? Uruguay´s success story: They invented their own PCR test. With their own primers, and a Ct value <35. For comparison, CDCs PCR uses Ct <40.”
“Minnesota’s state lab admits less than half its PCR “positives” in the past 3 months were under 30 Ct.”
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1304993519896014848
More on this from the US. Daily Mail quoting US epidemiologist Dr Mina in an article on 30th August:
New York’s state lab Wadsworth analyzed cycle thresholds values in already processed COVID-19 PCR tests and found in July that 794 positive tests were based on a threshold of 40 cycles.
With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been considered negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Mina said.
Link here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8679307/Experts-say-USs-coronavirus-positivity-rate-high-tests-sensitive.html
I like to welcome our 2 members of 77th brigade here today.
Mayo
And…?
(I think i know the other one)
Yep how can any one still defend Ferguson’s model is beyond me.its nice to know I’ve met Mr Carrington
Just to be clear: I don’t defend Ferguson’s multi-agent model, which I have not examined. I have, I hope, consistently made it clear that I do support his famous 510,000 figure as a policy guide. and have also consistently made it clear that it’s not the precise number so much as the one-word summary “catastrophic”, which was all that such a model could have been used for at that stage.
I have also commented on the way certain of Ferguson’s statements have been consistently misreported. I don’t necessarily defend what he said, but he is certainly entitled to be criticised only for what he said rather for what he did not.
But 510,000 was based on the assumption there was no pre immunity and a wrong IFR based on incoming planes from China.It is just a theory now because we did do something and you can argue all day but it’s something that cannot be proven either way.Same with the deaths of/with Covid,it can never be proven either way.We can make assumptions but again it can’t be proven because they died and there was no autopsies.
The assumption of no pre-immunity is indeed one of the questions the modelling process throws up. Even in a simple SIR model, you have to assign a value to S at time zero. I suggest that for an unknown virus, believed to to have recently jumped from another species (or indeed any other more outré origin story you want) the assumption of no pre-existing immunity is the correct conservative assumption in the absence of any other data, which could not have been available in the time needed to take the decision. The IFR estimate has been the subject of much discussion, there is evidence to support a figure in the range 0.8-1.0%.
But, as many people arguing here are keen to point out, real-world data is the thing. The real-world experiences support both the qualitative or policy-making answer: catastrophe and collapse of the health service, and indeed the IFR parameter. Real world data does not support the pre-existing immunity assumption, and that is something that deserves further investigation rather urgently — an investigation for which time was sadly lacking back in February.
Is it Richard Pinch?
Don’t think he is part of the 77th though.
His writing is too intelligent and articulate for a 77th troll even if you disagree with what he says he is allowed to say it.
Unlike Mayo he defends what he puts and doesn’t disappear for there its of the day.
Tobias Ellwood MP their Lieutenant Colonel doesn’t write that cleverly when your read some of his crap so don’t expect him to hire people more intelligent than he is.
I remember Richard said a few months ago openly who he was, his qualifications and so on so don’t think it’s him as one of the first rules of social media is not to give out your true name or anything that could be used to identify yourself properly as trolls and SJWs may come after you at home and work.
Lucky he’s on a civillised website where we wouldn’t do something like that.
Wouldn’t put it past them to use real people’s info instead of their own though to stir the pot.
I don’t want to say in case i am wrong
I’d pm you if i could.
Fairly sure I’m correct. Does a bit of tag teaming with mayo if you want a clue 😉
If he’s like me he won’t scroll down the page too far and just read the newer posts so I’ll repost my reply to him from his earlier dissertation on Brazil:
“But Manaus and Brazil has been thoroughly debunked:
https://medium.com/dfrlab/empty-hospitals-fake-burials-and-chloroquine-systemic-disinfo-downplays-covid-19-7eb91d784165
I’m trying to find the links and videos from a couple of months ago where the Brazilian Police raided a hospital that as claiming hundreds and thousands of covid-19 patients when it was empty.
Like a lot of this stuff it’s been “buried deep” or disappeared.”
I think the blog post you’re referring to suggests that the situation in Manaus was even worse than reported. Is that your reading?
From what I read and what videos I saw of Police raiding hospitals it was all over reported, the photos of mass burials are of empty coffins, the hospitals were empty etc.
Hospitals were empty but claiming money for treating hundreds and thousands of covid-19 patients and so on.
It was all “faked” or at least overblown to get lots of money from the Brazilian Government under false pretences.
Any data from there is suspect by association of fraud and embezzlement.
No, the information cannot be trusted as some claim it was worse, some claim it was all lies, some claim it was like NY and hospitals were over-reporting and inflating the numbers to get more money from the Government and so on.
I have seen articles and official Brazillian Police videos and a few others I watched at the time that debunked it all.
Unfortunately I cannot link to them today as I have to find them again except this one.
https://fort-russ.com/2020/06/empty-coffins-empty-hospital-brazilian-mps-expose-biggest-covid-19-hoax-known-to-date/
Anything anti-narrative is becoming harder and harder to find or when you keep the links and click on them again you get the messages they re 404’d or deleted or banned due to breaking community guidelines.
Becoming more and more common so finding them again is harder and harder.
Why is that do you think?
Can’t be because they are rubbish or fantasy and those links do not seem to have the same problem.
Well, I suppose that’s what you get when the government is motivated to fix figures in one direction and people on the ground are motivated to fix them the other way.
So let’s concentrate on the other aspect of Manaus, as one of the examples of a near enough do-nothing strategy. Report 9, and come to that, my own, estimate of the result of do-nothing in policy terms: Catastrophe (plus collapse of the heath service). Situation in Manaus: Catastrophe (plus collapse of the health service).
So, in policy terms, was that answer so very wrong?
Was it a catastrophe or was it hospitals making money by over reporting patient numbers, doing incorrect medical interventions etc the same as in NY and other US states where they got at least $25000 dollars extra for claiming the patient was covid-19 positive when they weren’t?
The modelling is just a guess, they cannot be used to say “look, we saved xx by doing this as without acting xxx would have died, our modelling said so”. You need data from both countries with and without interventions and then compare these against the modelling and see which one was closest to the modelled figures.
Looking at the person and group who wrote the model, based on their failures during the foot and mouth idiocy last time they were asked for modelling and how to handle it they should have been either ignored our subjected to a full, independent analysis and inquiry before accepting their results hook, line and sinker as gospel truth.
There is not really any control to show what would have happened without any interventions compared to an intervention but the most telling argument to shoot the theory down in flames is this quote from 21st July 2020:
CMO Chris Whitty stated “If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.
And this was by following the WHO’s initial and still valid, never been changed or superseded advice of wash your hand properly, use cough/sneeze etiquette and if you feel ill stay at home until you feel better. – exactly what was recommended and the country were doing before March 23rd 2020.
It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.
This one argument alone negates your argument as the numbers cannot be trusted either way. They prove nothing.
Instead of destroying the country’s and world’s economies, destroying social cohesion, putting billions of people into debt and penury, letting million worldwide die of preventable diseases by shutting down healths services worldwide, risking a worldwide famine and billions dying of hunger by shutting down the agricultural industry and so on why was doing nothing so wrong?
It would have been cheaper and less damaging for governments to say “here is the risk, here is the best thing to do to help yourselves and protect yourselves, drop dead and we’ll bury you and we’ll pick up the cost of a basic funeral”.
Stop the 100% risk adverse nonsense, no-one will live forever, it is better to have a short full life than hide away cowering for a long time – that is not living, you just don’t know you’re dead yet.
Spending 20-30 years doped up on medication dribbling in a care home cannot be described as living – have faith in yourself generally (doesn’t have to be religious faith).
You want to hide away then do it, don’t force your beliefs and ideologies onto me and let me get on with life.
Was each individual supposedly (but not proven) “saved” worth saving not just in monetary value but as having “added value” to humanity?
I would say they weren’t.
As to the collapse of the health services, the NHS and nearly all other government run or subsidised (by direct cash injection or “insurance”) health services are always on the brink of collapse and have been for as long as I can remember as they are run for themselves and never see each person as an individual but as a drain on resources so the “save the NHS” is a fatuous argument – it is unsaveable in it’s present form and has been for a long time.
So again – what saw wrong with minimum government intervention and what was wrong with doing nothing?
Could not have been worse than what the results are now and the worse is yet to come and don’t the countries with minimum interventions prove you wrong as they seem to be doing better than those following your theories.
According to the WHO over 808 000 children under 15 die each year of preventable viral, bacterial or fungal pneumonia which incidentally the biggest cause is breathing in the bacteria, fungus and viral material naturally present in their own mouths so why are masks being pushed? It’s on the WHO pneumonia website so I’m not making it up, look it up yourself.
So where is the intervention on this?
Was it a catastrophe or not? I suggest it was, for Manaus and for Guayaquil. But almost all of your post is an attack on modelling which simply takes us back to square one. Even when we have something like a real-life experiment to compare with one specific model, one which I’m able to describe in some detail, you come, if I may say so, perilously close to rejecting the data because you don’t like the answer. I invite you to consider whether you are not falling into the trap “some modelers prefer to adjust reality not their model”
As to whether the money would better have been spent on curing othere diseases, well, why not? But that says nothing about the accuracy and usefulness or otherwise of mathematical modelling.
So you want me to believe, without reservations, a model written by a non-modeller with almost zero IT or programme writing experience, who refused to give out the code to professionals to check, which when some code was released was promptly written to shreds by professional programmers, has dubious monetary links to someone with an active interest in what the model says is needed to control a problem, a model that cannot be checked against a baseline reference of doing nothing and who is part of a team that has a track record of being horrendously wrong?
The only catastrophes are the long-lasting after effects of any government lockdown that will kill more people than modelling, whether 100% correct or not, will kill let alone all then non-lethal consequences of alcoholism, debt, bankruptcies, illness, stress, depression, homelessness, child and spouse abuse, abuse of people in care homes, split apart families etc that are happening and will continue for a long time yet.
Was any of this collateral damage included in the modelling?
If not the model is invalid as it does not model the total consequences but just cherry picked parts – much like the 7 countries study years ago which is now debunked but still governments follow it through inertia.
It should have been included as it is not just a case of “lives saved by interventions” but a sum of “lives saved by interventions minus lives lost due to the consequences of interventions”.
But you also ignore the possibility that the numbers from Manaus and Guayaquil are not accurate and cannot be relied upon (much like the numbers here in the UK and elsewhere) but assume they re 100% accurate and truthful to which I say they are not due to doubts that have been spoken about by Brazillian MPs.
Without 100% accurate numbers you cannot claim a catastrophe happened, it’s supposition and wishful thinking.
I’m not asking you to believe Ferguson’s multi-agent model, which I haven’t assessed and am not discussing. I’m saying that the 510,000 estimate can be, and indeed has been, replicated by several other people, of whom I am one, using other models such as a simple SIR. Of course I haven’t formally published mine, because, as people here have pointed out, it’s an elementary exercise. Anyone who cares to can write one for themselves and explore it. You don’t have to believe me, or anyone else, you can do it quite easily for yourself.
No, because the figure, or rather the qualitative interpretation was intended to answer the question “What happens if we do nothing”, which is what I’m talking about. The putative costs of doing any particular thing are not logically part of a model for the results of doing nothing. That is for the follow-on discussion, which begins “OK, doing nothing is catastrophic, now what are the other options”.
As far as that follow-on disaucssion goes, those options were discusased in the famous Report 9 which includes the words
which I would have thought was a sufficient indication to the rest of SAGE that those costs were known to exist although not part of the model, which was epidemiological not economic.
A follow up on that specific sentence. The first part is just plain wrong as a general principle. Nobody knows with 100% accuracy how many people were killed, say, by the Hiroshima bomb, but we can be 100% sure it was a catastrophe. The second part is rather offensive, though I don’t suppose you meant it personally, it just reads that way.
You seem obsessed with M&G for some reason. What did the models predict for Sweden? Malawi? Belarus? Japan? My cherry pie is bigger than yours.
They’re the only examples I happen to know of that adopted a close to “do-nothing” policy, and hence the real-life comparators for the do-nothing model, which is the one I’m trying to discuss. If you know of some more major locations with a do-nothing policy, happy to hear about them.
I’m not discussing or defending the more complex models, since I haven’t looked at them in enough detail to feel confident in giving an opinion.
Incidentally, the reason for looking at the do-nothing prediction is the persistent trope that 510,000 was a prediction but it was only 50,000 so modelling is all nonsense. I’ld like to rebut that if possible, but like Dracula’s cat, it has risen from the grave at least nine times.
I think Richard Pinch should be welcomed on this site, for many of the reasons you state in paras 3 and 4 of your post.
He had a bit of a barney with me a few days ago, a little bit of a go at me; I still don’t concur with all he said, but that’s fair enough. But I think he’s genuine, has useful insights to offer, and I think he may be posting under real name – although I stand to be corrected on this.
I call them the SS and wonder if there is a certain irony, or sense of dark humour in the choice of 77 (could be 66th of course).
66 too obvious
77 just fine for those in the know
Some articles on what 77 means ion you believe in the occult and numerology:
https://aamichael666.com/2015/01/24/77-the-inverse-pentagram-thelemic-calendar-ritual-gematria-flight-77-on-9-11/
The piece by the “other” Ferguson is excellent and should be required reading for every MP.
None of this nonsense now is necessary.
Had to go to a company yesterday for various stuff.
they had the usual cover crap signs up but these were for show more than anything else and were ignored by just about everybody.
Saw the sign below at the top of these stairs.
When talking to the big boss later explained:
All in all an encouraging day once people know others are standing up against the bullshit and they are not alone.
“ it’s to show the insurance he is abiding by their insurance clauses but he doesn’t “enforce” anything other than a temp record as this can be written down and looked at”
Insurance companies calling the shots!
Yep which is why I put in the petition.
Carl Heneghan’s latest article in the Spectator is great. You can really sense the anger coming out at the government’s latest pronouncement – up until now he’s managed to keep it below the surface but the idiotic Rule of Six is just too much.
I take it that it’s behind the pay wall?
But I’ve noticed that Heneghan, Jefferson et al. at the CEBM have found it harder and harder to constrain their temperate tone as the idiocy and incompetence mounts to definite straight-jacket level.
Yes, but I think you can read a small number of Spectator articles for free if you’re registered?
A sample:
Last week’s roll of the dice with the ‘rule of six’ could well be the policy that tips the British public over the edge. For it is a disturbing decision that has no scientific evidence to back it up, and may well end up having major social consequences.
The government has decided to blame young people for the latest restrictions, having spent August asking them to revive the economy. What was the purpose of Chancellor Rishi Sunak’s ‘eat out to help out’ scheme if at the first sign of a rise in cases the PM’s hasty response is to lockdown again? We were told to get back to work, what did the government expect? Increased activity at the end of summer leads to an increase in acute respiratory infections, as it does every year. This is not rocket science.
Last week Mr Johnson and his team, as they have done many times, acted too hastily. There is no evidence to inform the rule of six – its impact will be minimal.
Seems project fear is back on.Loads of articles about young people enjoying themselves before the restrictions kick in.Implication is that they are selfish and granny killers
Yes, but they’re doing it, probably with money slipped to them by granny, who remembers when she was young.
Had a chat with the man in the petrol garage.He told me that the youngsters were spreading it by kissing each other.I replied that is what they should be doing at their age and asked him whether he did.he said no and I said well you wanted too.
Young people have been betrayed in many ways.
The future?
https://youtu.be/EgXf6z9O69o
Too right Annie. My mum was saying that if her grandchildren were a bit older (all 11 and under so probably a tad young for serious partying!) she would be encouraging them to enjoy themselves while she took care of herself – she decided to forego the illegal rave this weekend.
They haven’t ‘followed the science’ since March 22 (or thereabouts). The biggest lie of all? Hard to tell, there have been so many. . .
. . . It is clear that not one of them (Whitty & Vallance in particular) have any idea what ‘science’ is. Or . . .
And here’s where the authors damn the government’s lack of experience (which we probably all knew but not many have been prepared to say):
The problems with policy stem from the current cabinet’s vast inexperience: the Health Secretary has been in post for just over two years now; the PM and the Chief Medical Officer a year. The Joint Biosecurity Centre is overseen by a senior spy who monitors the spread of coronavirus and suppresses new outbreaks. Add to this mix the new chair of the National Institute for Health Protection, who similarly has little or no background in healthcare. Our leaders amount to little more than a Dad’s Army of highly paid individuals with little or no experience of the job at hand.
This inexperience leads to rash decisions and arbitrary policies.
Also, you can put the article through outline.com which, ffor some sites, will get around the pay wall
Agree – Carl (along with Jefferson) on top form. The guy deserves a knighthood/dukedom/sainthood.
I thought exactly the same thing. The diplomatic tone has gone.
It must be so frustrating when you are at his level of expertise and have to listen to all the rubbish. I have been wondering, though, if there are more deaths in the next few weeks, (a rise in the death rate, I mean) we won’t have a hope. Personally, unless Covid-19 mutates into a plague-type illness (ie highly lethal to most of the population) I do not think we should lock down and I never did. Hence even at the beginning I couldn’t believe it was happening
More from Malcolm Kendrick on why the lockdown should be lifted.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/13/a-way-to-control-covid-19-for-now/
“the number of people who say they won’t take the Covid vaccine has tripled”
Well – that’s a bit of good news, and a slap in the face for the Murdoch bog-paper legacy of the current ‘Times’ which is the legacy of Andrew Neil.
Time for contra scare propaganda about masks to be spread(quality of evidence not an issue as for mask use)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mask-mouth-dentists-warn-prolonged-use-of-masks-leading-to-poor-oral-hygiene
“Dentists are warning about the health issues tied to prolonged use of a mask to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
They said dental problems associated with “mask mouth,” including gum disease, could lead to serious complications.
“Gum disease — or periodontal disease — will eventually lead to strokes and an increased risk of heart attacks,” Marc Sclafani, a dentist and co-founder of One Manhattan Dental,told NYPost about “mask mouth,” which is increasingly causing inflammation and gum disease among patients.”
Do you think the msm will get their teeth into that?
Fangs, you mean?
I doubt it, they only use them on sceptics.
Anything that discourages the use of masks gets my vote. Seriously though, for it to affect oral health like that would you not need to be wearing the thing literally 24 hours a day??
Pharmacy workers have been wearing them for most of the working day, and complain off many bad symptoms. Maybe not the bad breath, gum disease etc (yet) but acne, problems breathing, carrying out tasks, steamed up spectacles and so on.
I think it probably dries the mouth and that’s where the problems with bacteria, gum problems etc start. It isn’t that you can’t clean your teeth!
That’s the U.S. – in the UK dentists are all over the mask thing, waiting rooms closed, wait at the door nonsense. At least they are in my neck of the woods.
Same here (Glasgow). I have an appointment for a check up in a couple of weeks and even just making the appointment involved a long list of questions. After I’d gone through all the rigmarole, I’m then told that the door will be locked and I’ve to phone to announce my arrival. Only so many people are allowed in the waiting room and of course f******g masks have to be worn whilst waiting.
I bet it would be different if they had to rely for income on work not just the NHS.
Salaried dentists employed by the NHS, working mainly with community dental services, earn a basic salary of between £40,629 and £86,900.
Pay for dentists – NHS Health Careershttp://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk › dental-team › roles-dental-team › dentist
I’ve got an appointment in a few weeks as well and it’s the same crap here. I have to call up from the car and they will then allow me in. No waiting in the waiting room and have to wear a mask from the reception to the exam room, which of course makes zero sense. I kind of prefer it as I’d rather wait in my car without a mask that sit in the waiting room with one. I also insisted my husband and I have the same appointment time so that we’re in at the same time and out at the same time.
What if I do not have a phone? Can I phone from my landline at home to say i’ll be there in 10 minutes? Seriously, I do not have a mobile phone!
Wow you have a check up appointment? I can’t even believe I’m writing that but mind and my daughter’s check ups in September were postponed in June until 2021 at the earliest!
Dentists warning – well they would wouldn’t they. Can’t miss out on any extra work from the “worried well”. Next up -opticians or dermatologists?
My optician, who wears a mask and a visor for several hours at a stretch, says she gets sore gums by the end of the day. MW
Stayed in a hotel in a West Country seaside town Friday night. The doors into reception had a sign saying you had to wear a mask so we dutifully put them on.
When we went through the doors absolutely no one was wearing one, not the staff, nor the guests. No one said a word. We didn’t see one the whole time we were there.
It was refreshing to see so many ordinary people who are not prepared to live like we’ve been told to.
Yes indeed, little messages like yours are so encouraging!
In parts of Devon news is just filtering through that there is some sort of cold going round.
I’m booked into a London Premier Inn for a few nights this week so hopefully it’s the same there. The confirmation email said that masks should be worn in public areas of the hotel but I’ll report back on whether or not it’s actually happening.
Exemptions apply.
So much for being ‘dutiful’, huh Iain ? 🙂
Brilliant article from ‘the other Ferguson’, illustrating why ‘common sense’ (i.e evidence-free thinking) is a danger, not an asset.
As he points out – this stuff is actually well-known – so any ‘scientist’ backing the ‘casedemic’ narrative is either a fraud or incompetent.
Anyone else notice the GAVI logo next to UNICEF’s in the soccer aid adverts and on all the billboards?
Wossat mean Awkward?
Why push the vaccine alliance alongside a worldwide fund raiser for the UN’s children’s fund which is a football match that will be watched by many parents and children together and ha a host of “stars and personalities” playing and supporting it?
Subliminal messaging and association.
And who is behind GAVI’s tentacles? Who finances them? What is their aim? All part of the incestuous web.
My wife told me Robbie Williams, the main host, never actually went but is hiding in Switzerland so he doesn’t catch covid so a AI generated interview was done. She says she watched it and it was pretty obvious a fake and very badly done, that and it was actually “a bit scary” was her quote.
What about this MORON ?
https://etcanada.com/news/661900/david-beckham-encourages-people-to-continue-calling-on-world-leaders-to-invest-in-a-covid-19-vaccine-during-global-goal-concert/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2559323/David-Beckham-plays-football-friendly-children-typhoon-ravaged-Philippines.html
I feel celebrities are becoming increasingly irrelevant at a time when we need real heroes and leaders.
Yes and I think they know it too.
Beckham being in favour of the covid vaccine is really good for us.
Might aswell ask a spice girl for their advice on vaccines
Concerningly the public are in a state of worshiping celebrities (false idols). Doesn’t matter if they are dumbos like mr beckham. They still get worshiped and by proxy listened to (about things they clearly know zilch about)
I think even among celebrity followers, Mr B has a reputation for serious thickness.
yes – they’ll tell you want… what you really really want.
i did mention this yesterday – those celebs who have millions of followers who hang on to every word that comes out of their mouths. How moronic must one be to do that?
I find Robbie Williams ‘a bit scary’ at the best of times.
My only knowledge of him is him trying to chat up a friend who was 15 at the time. She didn’t look old for her age either.
https://www.gavi.org/
They matched donations & were repeatedly advertised by the commentators as a result. That and much COVID propaganda (re Africa, ie fact-free) ruined the whole thing for me
Piers Corbyn at #OurMovement-Birmingham “Resist the lockdown”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhlT4ITMh0
https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/25/16577/australian-triple-therapy-specialist-prescribes-low-dose-ivermectin-for-covid-19.html
This is from Prof Borody Gastroenterologist Australla.C-19 treatment ivermectin,doxycycline and zinc. Doxycycline which is not affecting heart as potentially is the case for AZT. Ivermectin an antiparasitical drug known since 70s widely used in the third world. Probably this combination is used already in many countries despite BBC and MSM and the vaccine agenda. Beware, any cheap, safe drug combination would be devastating for vaccine manufacturers as emergency authorisations for the vaccine might be withdrawn. Prepare for a smear campaign from BBC/MSM paid for by Big Pharma.
But double blinded prospective control trials are already away in California
https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/comments/i18ovg/new_california_doubleblind_trial/
Fauci controls drug permissions in the US, gets junk anti-HCQ papers published and has stake in vaccines/remdesivir.
I’ve just broke my own record of having 7 comments banned from the BBC website. The really alarming thing is they were all factually correct.
Join the club. Mine was removed after five minutes as being off topic. Needless to say, it was on topic, but sceptical.
Zombie lies flourish, of course.
What did you say? I had one banned for the use of ‘FFS’ it’s profanity apparently.
Regarding BBC ‘Charity’ receives MILLIONS in funding from Gates Foundationhttps://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed-bbc-charity-receives-millions-in-funding-from-gates-foundation/
That will do it.
Good try. The ministry of truth can’t allow home truths.
Ffs !
In years to come ‘bbc’ will become a profanity
FFS at the BBC
If there’s one thing the BBC hate it’s the truth.
Professor Carl Henegan on UK daytime TV (This morning), interview going well and then we have get vaccines into the interview, Heneghan does well to reduce the talk from mass vaccination to a vaccine for the most vulnerable.
This bloke is a hero.
As I have said before I totally love Carl but he (and indeed his wife!) can be assured it isn’t in some kind of weird stalker-ish way. He is on top form in the Spectator too!
The problem with a vaccine is that none can be shown to be probably safe in any short timescale – a criterion that is even more essential for the ‘vulnerable’.
Bugger the ‘novel virus’ – I’m not having an injection of any ‘novel’ vaccine that hasn’t been scrupulously tested by RCTs over a sufficiently long period – probably at least three years.
In addition, two groups have a financial interest in pushing an under-tested virus :
It should be fairly obvious to even a dimwit that a government that can make the following patently false statement :
“COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history,”
… at the beginning of a consultation document on vaccine regulation isn’t primarily interested in health and safety!
FYI, no vaccine has been scrupulously tested by RCTs. Del Bigtree’s ICAN non-profit challenged the FDA and was successful in forcing the American Covid vaccine trials to use a saline injection as the control. Prior to this they were using the meningitis vaccine as the control — so a vaccine as the control to test another vaccine. If people were aware of what has passed for “safety testing” all these decades they’d be shocked. ICAN has also petitioned for the HepB vaccine licence to be suspended or revoked because, after years of trying to get the safety data showing they tested the vaccine for more than 5 days after injection HHS and the FDA have been unable to provide any documents. This is a vaccine given to newborn babies and the extent of safety testing is 5 days post-injection. With blanket liability, why bother with robust safety testing?
Great information thanks, Yes, when using another vaccine as placebo the side effects of the tested vaccine will appear as ‘low’ or non existing. Saline as a placebo is critical
It is no longer any good looking to anyone else to help us out of this hole. Parliament is unconcerned by our plight, the courts are useless. People are dying from the depraved indifference of both. Our inertia and/or obeisance have dug us in deep. It is clear, only energetic disobedience will dig us out. Ignore the rule of six, ignore the requirement to wear a mask, don’t participate in track and trace, don’t get vaccinated. Tell others.
A friend from Canada just sent me this… is this for real? If so, why isn’t anyone talking about it?
https://mobile.twitter.com/tesssummers98/status/1304428556986937345
Very strange.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhpcjpPX0AAlxkJ?format=png&name=900×900
Very interesting as the UK government wrote an SI regarding retention of DNA only one day before the one quoted above by Pebbles..
Suggest this excellent video link that consolidates all the data of various countries, spikes, cases, mortality etc. in context with previous years winter viruses and the relevance of low flu deaths in 2019 and it’s impact on 2020 covid numbers.
https://t.co/dSs2ezFZ5X
Why is Israel going back into full-blown lockdown again on September 18th?
https://newsd.in/full-lockdown-in-israel-to-begin-from-sep-18/
No real evidence or reason for it that is coming up on internet searches.
https://worldometerinfo.com/coronavirus/israel
Start of Jewish New Year. Is this significant?
Because Israel at this point has the highest case number in the world. They had a severe lockdown, draconian, and then released quickly and no one is sticking to any rules anywhere… parties, weddings, mass prayer gatherings… and massive testing = massive cases… Apart from that King Bibi has to enshrine his totalitarian throne a bit more and that’s best done by locking up the population that has been demonstrating up and down the country the last few months about his fascist coup d’etat. Mass protests every week everywhere… not that anyone in Europe bothers talking about it though.
Are there mass protests there?
Yes but not so you’d know from MSM.
How is Palenstine doing?
I walked past a primary school today and noticed a discarded consent letter for mass flu jabbing, the first time I’d heard about children getting that. This creeped me out because as we all know on here, flu jabs weaken immune systems for other seasonal viruses. Do they want children more susceptible to generic seasonal colds so they can whip up more second wave/mutation panic by saying even kids get covid now, we must tighten the screws even further… I don’t know, I get anxiety.
A peer reviewed paper was published earlier this year. A study of US Dept of Defense personnel found that the 2017/18 flu vaccine enhanced susceptibility to coronavirus infections. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647
Are you quite sure? The conclusion of the study as published was
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population
Not sure where your conclusion came from? Just want to be careful about my understanding. Not trying to undermine yours
It helps to read the whole article, which is behind paywall unless you are at an institution. But even in the short abstract you have this sentence in the conclusion.”Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus . . .”
It was stated that those who had the flu jab had a worse reaction when they came into contact with the coronavirus.
That is not what it says. This is what is says:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.
It seems to contradict itself here. I’d like to see more hard evidence and other studies. Peer reviewed or not, it’s only one study.
Well, that was something I assumed that most were on board with here after posts about that study and similar claims. But if there’s counter-evidence then I’ll take being wrong about that.
It’s just all so untrustworthy now I get paranoid over everything.
This creeped me out because as we all know on here, flu jabs weaken immune systems for other seasonal viruses.
No, we don’t know that. In fact, I doubt that is true. (I am not advocating for the flu jab).
Please provide evidence to back up your assertion :
It’s okay, I note that another poster has posted an article.
Great post. Absolutely correct. In addition these vaccinated children also shed the vaccine after vaccination and then infect others
Prestigious VACCINE Journal: Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Infection Risk 36%
prestigious-vaccine-journal-flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-infection-risk-36-3
How Vaccinated Kids Infect The Non-Vaccinated
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-vaccinated-kids-infect-non-vaccinated
I really wish the anti-vaxx movement would stop tagging onto the anti-lockdown one. It harms our credibility as much as the 5G/David Icke crackpots.
There are plenty of other forums/outlets to debate and protest about this separately.
I’m not against vaccines on principle but there are genuine concerns about them. Especially given the wealth and power of the industry, and the resulting lack of accountability for manufacturers.
And one produced at warp speed will not have been properly tested for long-term side effects…
Anyone got nay ideas how to get a criminal investigation started? Request it:
Anyone any other ideas or suggestions?
I’m tempted to do it and see what happens and reply I get.
I do think there is a case to answer based on this:
In the 1351 Treason Act it states:
“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”
“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere”
Definition of adherent: A supporter, as of a cause or individual
In the 1848 Treason Act as in that it states as an act of treason:
“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”
Definition of overawe:
transitive verb
: to restrain or subdue by awe
Definition of awe:
1
: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime
stood in awe of the king
regard nature’s wonders with awe
2
archaic
a
: DREAD, TERROR
b
: the power to inspire dread
Our overlords are adherents to the WEF/Bill Gates cabal, given them aid and comfort (look how much they shovelled at GAVI and WHO), and both Houses of Parliament are overawed (archaic meaning as the act was written in 1848) as this is the only logical reason they are silent.
Hello AG. I was thinking overnight along similar lines – great minds, eh?
Johnson and Hancock should be charged with corporate manslaughter. In theory a private prosecution could be commenced. The evidence could be assembled by private individuals without involving the police. We’d need:
Evidence of death caused by the lockdown e.g one or more individuals who have died because NHS treatment was withdrawn. You’d need a medical report to confirm cause of death and show that timely treatment would have prolonged life, and a death certificate, together with the victim’s medical records, witness statements from family etc.,.
You’d need to prove causation i.e. by evidence of ministerial direction that has had the effect of causing death. I understand (1) at one of the critical COBRA meetings someone asked if a cost/benefit analysis of lockdown had been carried out. There was a stunned silence. Can’t remember where I saw this but the info should still be available (2) that there was an official note before lockdown that lockdown could cause up to 200,000 deaths. Again I can’t recall where I saw this but it should be on record somewhere – FOI requests could be put in to get this material (including all the SAGE and COBRA minutes) before starting proceedings. I assume 200,000 was deemed acceptable at the time because Ferguson had wet his pants and come up with a higher figure for deaths from Covid.
You’d also need to prove that on the information available at the time lockdown was a crass decision. I think that could be done, especially if it was proved no cost/benefit analysis was done. The failure to check Ferguson’s predictions by peer review, getting specialists to check his code (and track record!!) would be relevant.
That ought to be sufficient to establish gross negligence which I believe is the legal test.
Anyone can start a private prosecution but the DPP can intervene and crush it. Bound to happen in this case I would have thought, but the prosecution would attract considerable publicity and put a number of things in the spotlight that the media have so far ignored.
You’d want to await the outcome of Simon Dolan’s Judicial Review because if this fails I can’t see you getting a private prosecution on its feet (since the Court would have concluded that lockdown was not an unreasonable decision).
Also bear in mind that a defendant who is acquitted can recover legal costs from the prosecutor, so you’d want to crowd fund it. The critical thing would be getting all the info from the government sources before there is any suggestion of a prosecution, for obvious reasons! You could probably find a barrister willing to act pro bono.
Francis Hoar?
The sage lockdown calculations based on a 2 month lockdown
Misconduct in a public office, or whatever it is called?
I’ve just noticed this one in Carl Heneghan’s latest ‘Spectator’ article.:
“ Our leaders amount to little more than a Dad’s Army of highly paid individuals with little or no experience of the job at hand.”
‘Nuff said.
What is worst, fear of the virus or the fact this scandemic has revealed the government to be so grossly incompetent you wonder how they are still in Government! Hancock and Johnson should be sectioned!
On the contrary they have been very efficient in dismantling our freedoms.In less than 6 months our ancient liberties have been taken away with very little hope of ever getting them back
“Don’t tell them Pike” if they ask for your name and contact number for track and trace.
Here is the preview of a video in French with English sub-titles called “Hold-up” about what has been going on since the beginning of the so-called pandemic. Right at the end there is a scene of Macron trying to make a speech with a mask on and coughing and spluttering so much he has to take it off. https://covidinfos.net/covid19/mensonges-corruptions-manipulations-le-documentaire-hold-up-entend-faire-la-lumiere-sur-la-crise-du-coronavirus/2091/
It appears to be a war of narratives, between those who obviously have no incentive and will talk about the vaccine independently and then those who are getting some sort of remuneration and as on the radio just now, saying we must speed up the vaccine before Covid gets out of control (Imperial college) I know who I would rather believe.
I’ve posted this lower down but its appropriate here :
The problem with a vaccine is that none can be shown to be probably safe in any short timescale – a criterion that is even more essential for the ‘vulnerable’.
Bugger the ‘novel virus’ – I’m not having an injection of any ‘novel’ vaccine that hasn’t been scrupulously tested by RCTs over a sufficiently long period – probably at least three years.
In addition, two groups have a financial interest in pushing an under-tested virus :
It should be fairly obvious to even a dimwit that a government that can make the following patently false statement :
“COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history,”
… at the beginning of a consultation document on vaccine regulation isn’t primarily interested in health and safety!
I might also have added the interest groups who are funded by Big Pharma etc.- like Imperial College.
totally agree, for those who just follow, the government can say anything. When Astrazeneca asked for a non liability clause, it says it all.
The same Imperial College that got its previous epidemic predictions utterly wrong?
Let’s all sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
And then complete the Govt’s own questionnaire (before 18 September):
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu
done.
Tell Boris and Matt what you think
The clock is ticking. Brits have got just over a week to send their responses via an online consultation form that is gathering public and vaccine industry opinions over the biggest changes to UK medicines law in over half a century. The changes are a double act that aims to on-board EU laws as part of the Brexit legislative reform while also giving Boris Johnson and his government the chance to rollout the biggest mass vaccination programme in British history. Based on, in our view, faulty premises.
To help our supporters and others with their own responses, we’ve put our draft response up on our website. We’ve made a video that we’d dearly love you to share with as many people as you can – to help get as many responses as possible from British citizens and residents. It’s very, very important that our democratic voice is heard, in a society in which almost every day appears to see some additional freedom being lost. Please, please, please invest a little time in the next few days to get this out as far and wide as you can. As we say in the video – have your say now, don’t regret it later.
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/uk-law-changes-for-covid-19-mass-vaccination/
A lucid and helpful document.
Done
We’re Fighting For Our Lives
Vernon Coleman
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/we-039-re-fighting-for-our-lives_xRb2ZQ3WDSuQBw4.html
Just back from my last day’s shopping in mask-free Wales. First observation – masks very much in the minority inside the shops. Non-existent outside. So the majority of people out and about don’t want a piece of soggy cloth sticking to their faces, or feel they need to. Secondly – I’ve not seen Llangollen so busy all Summer. It was heaving. There was a traffic jam over a mile long from the centre of town. If there are people still scared of a virus, there’s no evidence of it in Llangollen.
From what I’ve seen in North Wales and parts of Cheshire/Shropshire over the last 6 months, the majority of people have lost interest in the ‘virus’. People coming into Wales on holiday from all over the UK show no fear of each other. Project Fear has not worked here. The only thing maintaining compliance of mask wearing is filthy lucre. They’re more frightened of getting a £100 fine than they are of catching Covid.
I really do believe that we have numbers on our side, at least in my part of the country.
>>>>>The only thing maintaining compliance of mask wearing is filthy lucre. They’re more frightened of getting a £100 fine than they are of catching Covid.<<<
Sadly, I don’t think it’s that. It’s conformity. As I’ve said in a previous post. I’ve been back in England two weeks and I’ve yet to see a policeman.
Besides which, how many fines have been issued? A dozen? eight? none?
My sister wears a nappy but only, she insists, because she doesn’t want a fine. She’s a typical do-nothing-er, ‘I just let it wash over me’. I try to chisel into a few weak spots, but I don’t want to alienate her completely.
I think that’s the case with many mask wearers. Anything for the quiet life.
I appear to be the only one not wearing face nappies in my family, but the rest of my family are, on the whole, sceptics.
Get them to watch
https://youtu.be/EgXf6z9O69o
If they have the attention span.
Personally I’m far more scared of the psychopaths and sociopaths and eugenicists who have managed to get their filthy hands on the levers of power.
The sooner we can jam up those levers, the better.
My mother has said she will never vote for Boris again, but she is unwilling to draw attention to herself by not wearing a mask in the supermarket.
Much the same here in the south.
Nappies will appear tomorrow for sure, but not because the majority, or even a substantial minority, want them
As I understand it from the Welsh Fascists’ deliberately vague guidance, businesses can’t do anything to a mask refusenik except ask them to leave. How many local businesses want to do without our money is something we shall, no doubt, discover.
No doubt we will get nasty remarks from zombies, but I can be pretty nasty myself when I want to.
Meanwhile I am distributing subversive stickers as widely as possible.
Oh, and I ripped down no fewer than eight officious coast path notices yesterday. And tore them all to bits in a seafront café, quite openly, while enjoying a mug of tea. Nobody took any notice. (Anyway they take no notice of the notices, though they do follow the helpful advice about not stepping over the cliff when making way for another walker on the path.)
Well done!
Came back yesterday from Rhayader. It was a blessed relief not to have to wear a muzzle when shopping. However, they seem to be quite sold on ”one way systems” – in tiny shops, and all along the high street, so that you have to brave the traffic constantly if you want to browse along the shops without backtracking. Difficult if you’re pushing a wheelchair up and down the kerb too. Who are these jobsworths who want to spoil a good thing?
No doubt from today, they’ll think up even more silly, spiteful and counter-productive ‘rules’. Pity – I thought for a while that Wales was going to remain a haven of more or less normality.
Hope so.
From the Grauniad “Austria is experiencing the start of a second wave of coronavirus infections, its chancellor warned, as cases rise in line with other EU countries.”
Wow I thought they must be dying in the streets -then it continues
“From Friday to Saturday, the Alpine nation of nearly 9 million people reported 869 new cases – more than half of those in the capital Vienna.”.
What can you say?
And of course they’re not even ”cases” (that cunningly misused word). Mostly people who just fancied getting a test, I’d guess.
Though it does make one wonder where all the hundreds of thousands of people are coming from for these tests. Are they duplicated, triplicated? Or just generally made up?
Here in north west they are setting up testing stations in the centre of Bolton, going door to door in Salford and trialing those new saliva tests. Meanwhile it is taking 5 days to a week for care homes to get their test results back! Priorities are totally screwed! I get angrier everyday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhlT4ITMh0
Piers Corbyn at #OurMovement-Birmingham “Resist the lockdown”
Piers Corbyn- #OurMovement Birmingham Rally. “We can defeat ridiculous lockdown measures”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS-sfqrE38&list=WL&index=47&t=0s
Rumour has reached me that the BBC have axed sturgeon hour from the daily scheduling. That’s an improvement if true.
Also heard sturgeon has got a bag-on about it. All good.
There are all sorts of online petitions by members of the SNP cult insisting it’s a conspiracy by Unionists & the new head of BBC demanding it be reinstated.
Thanks for the update. It’s a very subtle but none the less pleasing happening.
Bbc likely to cave I shouldn’t wonder. Scotland is a sick nation. Government should not be such a part of daily lives. Truly a cult.
Best thing to happen would actually be if they agreed to reinstate it if she had to announce total deaths every day and show where Covid was in the list. Would be funny seeing her trying to make a big deal of the illness 6th/7th/8th on list.
Good news. I wonder what the a b b c are up to.
Oh and thanks for all of your posts Basics. Legend in my books
Thanks. Clearly a loon anon. These folk on this LS site are truly superb. Just keeping up here. I can’t even single out – an extraordinary ordinary group of folk.
You heard right. Amen to that! I don’t actually know anyone who watched the Nicola Sturgeon show every day, it would be interesting to see the viewing figures.
I think it is Sturgeon herself who has decided to stop here daily chats.
Definitely not, she has been complaining about it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54115645
Hmm, sounds a bit fishy to me …
I’ve haddock with her, it’s a cod of old bollocks if you mask me
yes – gone .. i never understood why we in england had to put up with the provincial rantings of wee Jimmy Krankie .
By the way , i am very pro devolution and was really annoyed how undemocratic the devolution vote was (as i was not allowed a vote to decide whether i wanted the scots to be devolved) . Frankly the sooner they go and become a province of the Faroe Islands the better
Shetland want offski from Scotland – citing all same reasons as SNP say about Westminster.
I’m guessing they don’t want her incriminating herself anymore, the litany of lies she’s spewed since March should see her locked up for life.
It’ll all be in the record when she goes on trial.
I can proudly say as a true Pict i’ve never watched a single episode of the Sturgeon Show. I will watch when Alex Salmond puts the boot in though. Yes indeed i can’t wait to see her get whats coming.
In Canada they have cliffs called Head Smashed In – where buffalo were stampeeded over. Just saying. Holyrood has cliffs nearby.
Great Video!
Das geht!
Nightingale Hospitals in North Wales are planned to be decommissioned in April 2021. Reason being NHS Wales fears a massive Winter spike in flu admissions due to everyone being isolated over the spring/summer, so need the extra beds.
This is something I just don’t understand. If all the coronavirus restrictions, distancing and masks crap will be effective in slowing down spread why won’t it be effective in slowing down influenzas? Either it will work for both and every other virus or it will work for none and a complete waste of time!
This has got me stumped too.
You are a lovely person, but you are fibbing; it hasn’t got you stumped, you simply know it’s a lie. A mask is either effective against all viruses or it’s not.
Aaaaaaand spoiler alert; it’s not. It’s just a dehumanising control measure for the stupid and compliant. As you knew anyway.
Yes. Let’s all sign the petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Pity it won’t do any good – but on a personal level, it shows us we’re not alone.
I’ve signed that one. I read that flu season in Australia was very low because of their coronavirus measures so is the flu fear just a push to get people to take up the flu vaccine? I am not quite sure how flu vaccine is produced but think something to do with looking at the virus types in Southern Hemisphere and then preparing northern hemisphere vaccines based on this. So if little circulating virus in south what will we base our vaccine on. Influenza is spread around by international travel and as there has been so much less travel will that mean less spread? Just thoughts, what do others think?
SSSSSSSHHH!!!
Not allowed to mention that.
Assiduously avoiding any look at Japanese seasonal flu rates with 10’s of millions masked up for over a decade now.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/
The mask wearer will assume they caught the lurgy when they weren’t wearing the mask, they won’t think it happened when they were 100% safe behind a piece of cloth
Nah they’ll assume it was an encounter with an unmasked in a shop .
Is that the Welsh Government admitting in a roundabout way that lockdown has caused more harm than good?? Also interesting to note flu admissions, not Covid!
So being isolated makes you more vulnerable to flu, but less vulnerable to Covid?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ladykillers
Who should star in The Granny Killers?
Johnson has to be Toby Jones, play similar to the tyrant business man in Sherlock
Spectatot TV Ep 1 with Carl….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WdzMVekUBU
It’s quite true: even Johnson and all the police, covid marshals and snoopers he can muster can’t cancel your Christmas.
But he can shut you out of the airport, the pub or your place of work with his health passport. If don’t want to be continually tested, or soon, to receive a rushed-through and unnecessary v4cine, you will be locked out of normal life.
It’s coming; the NHS track and trace app with its QR code is just the start of an electronic control grid that will soon ensnare us all. People need to wake up.
Dave Cullen’s latest video sums up the way things are going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6VnB7JvW0
All those things that he wants to do can be challenged in the courts. Just let it pass by and wave to it as it fades away into the distance.
Indeed. But let’s hope it will be more successful than Simon Dolan’s case against the original lockdown.
The way that was batted away was extremely worrying.
i like your posts Richard Riewer. This kind of talk is as sweet as honey
It is very worrying but won’t there be enough of a big push back on this. The Spectator article by Heneghan and Jefferson show they have given up trying to be polite and are now angry. The Peter Hitchens article too shows anger. Both these and The Telegraph articles are predicting/advocating civil disobedience. There is Simon Dolans legal challenge and others and the care home legal challenge. Will there be enough of us to refuse
Sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
We know it’ll do no good – but at least they’ll see many of us know what they’re up to.
It’s well over the 100,000 now. They have to debate it in parliament.
Another Mark, or the same new one as posted the other day? Either way it’s going to be confusing if you keep to this duplicate name….
Interesting video on YouTube from 2010, ‘Channel 4 news exposes swine flu scandal’ – nòtable parallels with this farce but at least the scam by the pharmaceutical industry was rumbled. It certainly questions any belief that the current situation is just down to government incompetence.
Hmmm funny how they’re not mentioning the 2020 equivalent.
It was made in 2010.
did they forget or something?
Yes, I’ve seen it and it’s good.
However, I strongly disagree with your assertion.
A competent and intelligent government administration would not be taken in by big pharma.
It is precisely because they are so stupid and gullible that we are in this situation.
People who are claiming it’s government incompetence in my mind are paid shills mudding the waters. This is nothing other than the destruction of life as we know it. This time next year we won’t be millionaires we’ll be dead. Everyone of us here on this site will be among the first to go. When they’re coming round the doors doing “tests” you know that it won’t be long before you fail that test and will need to be “isolated” in a Government death camp. Don’t believe me? Good. I wish it weren’t so but “they” are planing on killing over 6 billion people because they believe that the earth can sustain a half billion burning fossil fuel but no more. It’s been good and i’m going down with a fight but going down is what is gonna happen.
Africa copying western lockdowns is all about genocide too in my opinion.
The weather is on our side for the next 2 weeks. Sunshine all around. Hancock will be doing the rain dance I’m sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=G9z-j8xsOeo&feature=emb_title
If only we could get this a wider viewing. I hadn’t even heard about swine flu I 2010 until this Covid stupidity. If a journalist could do a report on this, say Toby, to get it into public view it might just do the trick right now
Thanks for posting that. I’ve just clicked and saw one of the comments underneath:
‘Took them long enough to say something didnt it? ah well better late than never but it would have been good to have truth from the start. Channel 4 Should find the youtube video with Bill Gates on Climate change they will find out exactly why Vaccines have been pushed.’
It was written 10 years ago!
Back from our church service, the second live one we have had, in this case to meet our new Methodist minister.
It seems most of our members are scared off attending church so we only had 10 or so there with the rest watching on the live Zoom feed. Mask wearing universal except they all took them off while sitting down (claims the rules allow this but not found that clause myself). Had my exemption lanyard laying beside me, nobody questioned why I didn’t have one. Five hymns but we weren’t allowed to sing, although most of us were singing very quietly in the background.
My hopes that Saba our new minister was a bit more sceptical were soon dashed. I was doing the bible readings and before the service he pointed out that we really shouldn’t be using the same lectern. Both I and Irene said we didn’t need to actually touch it – went up to lectern and promptly plonked the bible on the lectern, Irene seemed to do the same when she went up for the prayers. He also wanted the radio microphone sanitised before he took it. Some people seem to go to extremes.
Good job Jesus didn’t have the same approach 2000 years ago
you cannot sing…. can you hum?
Our local church requires people to telephone and make a booking to go to the Sunday service. So no spontaneous church attendance.
If I decided to go – though I’m put off right now – then I’D damned well sing!
Now we’re told we must speak quietly too. You couldn’t make it up.
We are supposed to email to say we are going ‘so we know numbers’. Not sure whether everybody who was there did so. I think we are allowed to hum. But despite the temptation I didn’t burst out into glorious song during Great is thy Faithfulness. I would probably have been shown the door.
There’s faith in action for you.
A lot of Christian mi istsrs seem to be like that, including our own weak-kneed rector.
Strange, for a religion that celebrates its martyrs and speaks so often of eternal life and the fleetingness of this world.
We had our first service under the Welsh Coronafascist regime this morning. No singing of course, but I sang ‘All People Who on Earth Do Dwell’ very loudly in the churchyard after the service, and everybody looked pleased although nobody else joined in, that I heard.
Next week everybody else will be nappied. Don’t know if I can stand that.
We should found a new, ecumenical, outside-meeting, SINGING church.
The churches have caved – just as prophesied by St Paul (see 2 Thess 2) The great falling away (Gk, apostasia) and the great deception, immediately before a much bigger event. Maybe I’m crazy.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5804288/coronavirus-scotland-snp-survey-covid-19-highest-spike/
Scotland is now in the grip of One Long Silly Season, but of course, most of the faithful will do as they’re told and play follow my leader.
The Gauleiter’s latest edicts about mask wearing in restaurants, hotels, pubs and cafes belong in the wilder shores of absurdity and will no doubt bring about yet more misery, both social and financial.
Having just read in full James Ferguson’s masterful dissection of the inaccurate testing and case conclusions,and the politicians’ blinkered refusal to change course,I’m hoping against hope that She Who Must Be Obeyed, might be prevailed upon to read it, paying particular attention to non-pharmaceutical interventions and false positives.
We can but hope.
Sorry, Wendy – but I reckon after this length of time, any ‘hope’ for intelligence and/or honesty is vain. 🙂
Sadly I’ll have to agree, but James Ferguson’s piece is so comprehensive, articulate and factual that I’d like to think that it just might penetrate even the most diehard SNP heid!
😕
The thing is – Ferguson’s piece is only saying what is well known in terms of statistics and mathematics. Statement’s of the bleedin’ obvious hold no traction for the Goebbels and Mengele Memorial Brigades – it’s not what they’re about.
Yes, the Great British Public has been well and truly lobotomised by the shysters who call the shots.
We all have the capacity for reasoned thought and critical thinking.
They’ve ripened to the point where they’ll just do as they’re told.
Trouble is, rather than questioning and assessing, they’re more likely to turn against the free thinkers and challengers like us.
Great title there!
Funniest thing about new rules is it still says ‘Every time you apply or remove a covering, it is important that you wash or sanitise your hands first and avoid touching your face.’ in guidance about face coverings section. If you are in a pub or restaurant and need toilet you will have to wash your hands at table, put on mask, go to toilet and then wash hands again at table before removing mask if you are following guidance to the letter. Restaurants will need to have hand sanitiser or a small basin of hot soapy water at every table to facilitate this.
Try making real world sense of any of this will drive you as barking as a Tory cabinet. 🙂
Just imagine the queues, the confusion, the spillages and delays in food and drink orders, let alone headaches for chefs and waiting staff, plus the extra costs.
So much for ‘eat out to help out’.
And have someone going around wiping door handles, chair backs/arms, etc etc. All this is beyond madness – I am constantly amazed that people really think it’s working and not just a way of controlling us!
don’t go. I don’t understand why anyone goes anywhere this shit is in operation. Time to cut the ties from all that has gone before and do something else.
I think you’re right there.
The best places to go are the road side wagons. I use them when i’m out on my motorcycle. Get a bike and take to the road. I’ll meet you at the bottom of Stac Polly and we can ride off into the sunset and engage in a drunken orgy of debauchery and excess. While we still can before the environmental fascists ban petrol.
6 only at the orgy, plus masks and sanitiser! Might dampen the urges somewhat!
I know i’m good but even i’d struggle with five woman. I’ll give it a shot though
Just don’t wear a mask 😷
😂
We are told that on the coast path, you should sanitise your hands every time before you open a gate, and when you close it. There are approximately 470 gates along the route.
I’ve yet to see anybody loony enough to do the sanitising.
A bottle and dispenser at every gate? That should be fun!
We were told to sanitise our hands after opening our allotment gate.There are hundreds of plots on my site, so people are constantly going through the gate. My plot is right next to the gate. I used to see people using hand sanitiser. Now it’s a rare day when anyone does. I also haven’t heard of anyone getting the virus, strangely enough. Probably something to do with all that fresh air that allotmenteers get.
just been listening to Maajid Nawaz on LBC. From 2pm for about 15 minutes makes a good argument for the lockdown sceptic case citing Sweden, South Korea and Brasil.
Yesterday Andrew Castle finished his programme with the words “NHS track and trace app…..Pigs ear.
Good to hear the tide turning on LBC. During Lockdown they only appeared to interview experts who supported a covid suppression strategy.
I was a long time LBC listener, but they have been much like the BBC during the plandemic. Good to hear they may be changing.
However TalkRADIO has been better for months.
Maybe Talk Radio can get Anders Tegnell on?
Here’s an 13-minute interview with him from yesterday, on France 24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hStrML7vk5k
France 24 also have it available on youtube with French subtitles, if anyone has French friends they want to share it with..
It’s an interesting interview, because he sort of implies that we have had a semi-lockdown here in Sweden, which has not been my personal experience – possibly because apart from the ban on gatherings of over 50, every other measure was expressed as ‘recommendations‘ and not enforced in any way. So I have not felt locked down at all..
So for example, they recommended initially that people did not travel around Sweden, from one region to another, and for the most part, people did stop travelling. Companies held video meetings instead, for example. A lot of the recommendations were introduced in workplaces, but what people chose to do in their own time was left up to the individual…
Incidentally the recommendation regarding travel within Sweden was lifted before the summer holiday!
Sheila Fogarty has been good giving air time to relatives of care home residents who have to watch from behind a window while their loved ones are nursed by the carers who go from building to building, and they cannot even hug them.
For balance though she is in lockdowns work land. Hardly able to raise a single critical thought on that front
Sheila Fogarty is braindead and worse than that, fat. She’s gross.
They had Lord Sumption earlier today.
I used to like Nick Ferrari. But he supports masks. I am disappointed with him.
Scottish schools have been back for a month now.
Scottish “cases” have increased over that time but not anywhere near exponentially, around.
Around 2% of tests are “positive”.
I would say Scotland have done well.
Quite why they need to copy of the rule of 6 is odd.
Is anyone on here able to comment on how things played out in Scottish schools and whether all years are back and settled?
Odd? No, it’s all part of the Prole Control Programme.
i can, all the kids got the cold immediately on return. No child has been ill with the virus despite the claims of a few testing positive. The schools continue to teach left wing bullshit that men are woman and Trump is evil and coloured people lives matter are good. It’s all fucking rotten to the core. No one learns fuck all worth learning and the teachers are still the dumbest motherfuckers to have walked this earth.
John Swinney is proud of the curriculum he has overseen being established. https://youtu.be/ujePAmm5uK4
Adults only on that link.
Interesting video from Rachel Elnaught, former Dragons Den “Dragon”
Maybe something to put in front of those who think the current situation is a medical emergency.
Just posted a comment on the Daily Fail’s story:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727553/Up-4-5million-risk-Covid-told-stay-home-new-shielding-plan.html#newcomment
“A simple to understand message to Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Gates – kiss my fat hairy ass. When the reckoning comes you guys are toast for your lies, treason and incompetence.”
Good to see all the anti-Government and narrative comments.
Fantastic
A lot of comments blaming the young for spreading Covid.I spot spi-b at work.Another way to divide us
Daily Mail has been sceptical in the past but the media seems to be focused on creating a generational divide by blaming the young. A generational blame game stops us from coming together to oppose the authoritarian regime we are being threatened with.
Seems intentional that the government and media are pushing this blaming narrative because it divides the people and stops them from challenging what really matters.
However the Sunday Telegraph today has an article by Joe Shute describing 4 young people and the difficulties they’re experiencing, plus grandparents saying they don’t want young people’s lives to be spoiled for their sake.
How much does it really divide most people from their children and grandchildren ?
Why no survey on non-mask wearers who loathe the lily-livered stupid who wear masks and think they work?
They’re afraid of the results as they wouldn’t fit the narrative.
Mask loonies spotted today and yesterday: a man driving alone in a car, with the driving-side window fully open….and wearing a face-rag.
A young man in a Waitrose car park collecting litter….outdoors…wearing mask. Waitrose shoppers arriving in their cars complete with masks already on face; or coming out of store with trolleys and walking to their cars still with masks on.
This is North Somerset. Fully compliant, including many children, from whatI’ve seen. I see little hope of revolution here.
I see this every day now: drivers, people walking in the open air, all ages,sizes and both sexes.
During the brief warm spell I watched in fascination as some of the gagsters ate ice creams and other treats in the streets: mask down to chin, graze,finish, pull mask up, chuck detritus in bin.
Bonkers!
They suffer from a new disease: They think that they are going to live forever.
But despite all this PPE, “cases” rise.
There is no hope, we’re all fucked. Death camps await those of us who won’t comply.
I’ve been thinking about this
Assuming they want ~95% or so of us dead for their new world
Would it not make sense to cull the weak willed who cannot think for themselves?
Presumably they have plans for the remaining 5%.
Any would be tyrants / psychopaths care to comment? hancock (you despicable shit) i know you read this website so come on what’s the plan?
The the remaining slaves will work for them. The strongest, fittest will be put to work the weak will be killed. They’ve tried it before with the Nazi’s but there wasn’t enough of them to do it but now they’ve control of everything and it’s full steam ahead.
NO! It’s the sceptics and the dissenters that they will wish to dispose of (first)
I think you’re probably right
Seems short sighted if you think about it though
Won’t the ‘elites’ comprise the entire 5% who are left?
Maskitos everywhere
Yeah. Ithink you can get rid of them if you spray the swamps where they breed.
I had the same experience the other day. My husband does the shopping as I won’t wear a mask, so I sat outside in the sun and watched the people don the mask before they entered the store, had their young kids masked up, and kept the bloody rag on even after they left the store. I just wanted to scream, “What’s wrong with you people???” The only reason I went at all was to visit our farmer from who we buy meat, and she’s a sceptic and doesn’t care if we wear a mask. She has to be careful of snitches, so she puts it on when a customer arrives, but she said 80% take them off and then she does as well. She’s got sores around her mouth from it and hates it with a passion. I’m in a county with 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations, 1 “active case” (which is likely a healthy person who tested +). It’s insanity.
While driving on an A road, I saw a teenage girl in school uniform masked up. She was walking on the grass verge, along a busy road, no humans, apart from us whizzing by in cars, insight. Closer to town I saw a couple of other women, again no-one in sight I just wonder what is going on in their minds, do people actually like wearing them, or is it just demonstrating their human concern and how virtuous they are.
I was watching a video yesterday by a French doctor on a French news channel explaining about the volume of bacteria on masks and the likelihood of severe chest infections as a result.
There must be a law somewhere that a government is not able to pass laws, sorry diktats, that are detrimental to our well being. I think if parents threatened those schools insisting children wear masks with court action if their child suffers adverse effects, you would soon see a change of rules.
By contrast, I was at a country park today, in the UK, lovely weather, car park full, play area busy, out of possibly close to 1,000 people I must have seen over the course of the day, ONE was wearing a mask.
This short video (just over 4 minutes long) is great for anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to wear a mask, or for people who are being forced to wear one at work to show to their employer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ImqqaMCd4
It’s in Spanish but with English subtitles.
Yeuk … did they find out what the pathogens were ? Mushrooms ?? Good Lord thank goodness I don’t strap one of those on my face !
Dumped Waitrose after 15 years, because of their obsession in enforcing face masks, I experienced it as harassment whilst exempt. Done my first Ocado shop (M&S, no longer Waitrose) and very pleasant. Will still get a few small things at local Morrisons (great, no harassment)
If they harass you, they are liable to pay you compensation under the Equality Act. Check it out on the laworfiction site.
I’ve been thinking about using Ocado/M&S. What time period are they offering between order and delivery? Thanks.
I thought I’d take a look at the false positive issue as it relates to the “Moonshot”. James Ferguson’s paper provides an interesting analysis, although I disagree with the 2% rate he suggests — the ONS survey has been running at between 0.1-0.2% positives, which suggests a false positive rate of around 0.1% and a true positive at about 0.15%. (Other interpretations are possible, but I’m also assuming a false negative rate of 33% or less). That’s for a sophisticated lab-based test. We’re talking about a DIY home-based test, probably a paper strip, something like a home pregnancy test. SAGE are currently suggesting 3% false positive rate might be achievable.
It’s strangely hard to find any data at all on the false positive rate for the RT-PCR test. SAGE 41 took a paper from the Government Office of Science dated 03 June saying “We have been unable to find any data on the operational false positive and false negative rates in the UK COVID-19 RT-PCR testing programme.” A recent medrxiv paper 10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911 says data on PCR-based tests for similar viruses show that PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios and suggests a figure of around 1% in practice. This is for lab-based tests, remember.
So let’s assume that in practice it will be around 3% false positives compared to 0.1% true positives. In other words, 97% of positive results will be false. We’re going to test around 15 million people a day, of whom 500,000 will test positive, 485,000 of them falsely. Let’s assume that they and five family, friends and coworkers are now expected to self-isolate. That’s 3 million people self-isolating on the first day, so after a fortnight two things will have happened. Firstly, it will have become obvious that the vast majority, 2.9 million, people will have isolated unnecessarily because the false positive test person has not been taken ill. Secondly, half the working population will be in isolation and the economy and indeed civil society will have collapsed.
So that isn’t going to work.
Let’s now think about peoples’ behaviour. What happens when you test positive? You isolate yourself, and your family, friends and coworkers, say for a fortnight. Possibility A: somebody pays for you to stay at home for a week, whether your employer or the state. Result: on day 1 everyone tested declares a positive result and the country enjoys a fortnight holiday courtesy of the magic money tree (until the food supply closes down). Possibility B: nobody pays for you to stay at home and your job/business is at risk. Result: on day 1 nobody tested declares positive, and we carry on as before having wasted £100B.
So that isn’t going to work.
Either way, in the absence of some form of checkup and compulsion, most people will do what’s in their own interest. If there’s some sort of check, people are going to get very creative very quickly about faking results. For example, suppose I test positive and get a paid holiday. For the price of a drink, I’ll take your test, so you get a holiday too. Alternatively, I test negative so I’ll take yours and we’ll both be able to go to work and keep our jobs. Either way, the test results are useless.
So that isn’t going to work.
Summary: it is proposed to spend £100billion developing a test which we do not yet know how to do, in order to implement a social mechanism which cannot be made to work.
Says it all.
Tell the Govt. Somebody has to.
Agree with you on this one.
I disagree with the 2% rate he suggests — the ONS survey has been running at between 0.1-0.2% positives, which suggests a false positive rate of around 0.1% and a true positive at about 0.15%
Careful. If they say “150 cases per 100,000” that doesn’t mean 0.15% of tests are coming back positive – as I initially assumed. It means that they took the total number of positive tests and divided it by the population of the region where they were doing the tests. If the proportion of false positives remains constant, the figure per 100,000 of population scales directly with the number of tests carried out – as I understand it (happy to be corrected on that).
Our government itself did some research into false positives and found:
a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf
Thanks for that comment. The graph on the website is labelled “Percentage testing positive for Covid-19″ and I assumed they meant just that.
The paper you link to is indeed the GoS paper I referred to.
The ONS report for 11 September reads
So we can legitimately take that as an estimate for the true positive rate, or at least one that Government can hardly cavil at. I’ve no objection to my estimate for the specificity of current lab-based tests being revised down to 97%-98% since that only strengthens my case for the low predictive power of a positive result. It seems rather unlikely that an as yet unknown technology based on a paper strip could do even that well, although SAGE seem to think so. If it were as bad as 95% then that would be 98% of positive test results being false positive (0.1 true versus 5 false) and roughly twice the numbers I suggested. So by the end of the first fortnight the whole working population would be in isolation …
..ie more or less a lockdown, but not ‘officially’…
Prof Oliver Johnson of Bristol University points out that there is an as yet unanswered question about this not yet invented test. If the false positives are independent events, then the chance of two successive false positives drops from the presumed 3% or 5% to say 0.1% to 0.25%. On the other hand, if the false positive is caused by some specific causative factor, then two successive tests would likely give the same answer. Which of the two is predominant? Let’s hope it’s the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJSrXAvn72U
She sounds like she hasn’t a clue at the distress this is causing us all. She makes me puke blood just thinking that a fucker like her has control over my life. She can take a flying fuck along with Boris fucking johnston and anyone else who is stopping me enjoying my one and only life in this universe
As Biker says, Linda Bauld sounds like an idiot, but I know people who trot out the same arguments and I think Peter Hitchens muffed the debate. She talked about 60,000 dead, admissions to hospital rising again, unknown long-term effects and the need for a vaccine. He talked about Aeschylus and John Donne. That is not going to change the mind of anyone who is convinced that covid19 is the plague. Peter Hitchens should have countered with some facts, for example: 74,000 people died in the UK from flu, pneumonia and lung disease (all infectious diseases with many similarities to covid19) in 2018; there were 28,231 more deaths in England and Wales in 2015 compared to 2014 – such a jump in a single year brings us up almost to covid19 territory yet we didn’t stop people having parties; post-viral syndrome is a well-known phenomenon with all viral infections; the vaccine against seasonal influenza gives anything but 100 per cent protection, so it is unlikely a vaccine will save us in the case of covid19 either. He should also have asked if people are being admitted to hospital with covid19 or if they are being tested and found positive once they get there. By the way, I notice that Linda Bauld is Professor of Public Health or some such nebulous field at Edinburgh University, but her degree is actually in social sciences.
According to Wiki, her first degree is in Political Science and PhD in Social Policy. Needs to be ignored!
She is also big in tobacco control. So fuck her twice.
Covid admissions to English hospitals up to 9/9/2020.
It went up to 136 of the 9th from around 85 on prior days. But this is not exponential growth.
I sense people’s doubts are wavering but it’s because you’ve fallen for the ridiculous argument that we must save every life regardless of cost. We don’t put 10mph speed limits by schools, we don’t spend unlimited sums trying to stave off cancer (in fact we seem to spend very little on that now!), we don’t ban dangerous sports.
With Covid the argument should be all about proportionality, is it reasonable to condemn cancer patients to save notional covid patients.
We need to be told, too, how many of these poor unfortunates succumbing to the virus are actually from care homes. Are they generally over the age of 80 with comorbidities? Those figures are the most important. And are the numbers actually recovering.
What does ‘And are the numbers actually recovering’ mean? Do you mean are the people hospitalised getting better? If that’s what you’re asking then it presupposes they entered hospital because of Covid. This is not at all certain, and probably unlikely. Most people (about 65%) are already in hospital when they test positive so they probably didn’t go to hospital because of covid.
Depending on your age nearly everyone who is ill with covid gets better.
Only 60% of people who died of Covid were ever in hospital, 40% died at home or in a care home.
Only just found this. Won’t do any good, of course. But perhaps their database of us sceptics will grow a little….
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu
Please do complete it. The more who do so the better – and keep a copy of what you submitted!
Yesterday someone mentioned that Birmingham City Council had decided to have volunteers go door-to-door delivering and collecting test kits from residents. I suggested this was a splendid opportunity for muggers, rapists and burglars, but today I want to talk about a much more sinister figure: the serial killer known as the Phantom of Heilbronn. Over a sixteen-year period, police in Europe were looking for a suspected serial killer whose DNA had been found at 40 crime scenes including six murders. In the end the woman who matched the DNA was found. She worked at the factory that made the cotton swabs used by scene-of-crime officers. All the DNA collection kits had been contaminated in the factory.
So let’s now describe the Phantom of Birmingham. We suddenly find an outbreak in a particular district of Birmingham, among the elderly, the housebound, and people who have English as a second language. Is this a result of social deprivation? No, it’s a helpful volunteer who unfortunately was an asymptomatic carrier who was in the habit of helping people who weren’t very adept or didn’t understand the instructions to take their own tests. Sadly they had a bit of a cough while putting the swabs back into the tubes. But so helpful. Of course, after the visit, quite a few of the elderly and housebound sadly caught the disease and died. So the tests were right after all.
Veeery interesting.
I knew a Richard Pinch in the 1970s at Cambridge, wasn’t
you by any chance…?
Probably. I think I was the only person of that name up at that time. Eheu fugaces and all that.
Ita, Posthume.
That is a very interesting and thought-provoking comment.
Agreed.
Where did the figure of 30 deaths come from on Monday/Tuesday?
Five again today, and none in Scotland or Wales (again).
So that 30 starts to look very odd and seems to have a helpful number to make a point.
It was 32 on the day JV-T spoke last week. The MSM made a big song and dance about it. If you look at the deaths file for the UK (on government coronavirus website), deaths on 5th, 6th and 7th September were 10, 10, 12 (adds up to 32). Might be coincidental, but as all of the deaths in the days prior to, and after this, have been 7 or 8, suggest it was ‘massaging’ of the data by holding back deaths (if you remember, there were days with 2 or 3 just before the 32 was announced).
Some weeks ago (in August), I looked at the daily figures, there were seven or eight deaths, including one from April. Four months earlier!
Yes, and they are now starting to backfill the ‘positive cases’ into early February. They know what they are doing – and so do we!
Eh! Is this right? If so it’s a bloody scandal.
If you look at the government spreadsheet ‘data by specimen date’, considering only at England, positive cases:
30/1 – 2
05/2 – 1
08/2 – 4
09/2 – 1
11/2 – 1
21/2 – 1
23/2 – 1
24/2 – 2
25/2 – 5
26/2 – 4
27/2 – 7
28/2 – 11
29/2 – 5
That adds up to 45. When I first started looking at the data, there were 23 positives by 29 February for the UK in total suggesting backfilling?
The latest inhuman government measures: A Bridge too far.
A favourite Marx Brothers quote: seeing the picture above brought it to mind :
‘He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.’
Now who does this bring to mind? Suggestions welcome…..
Duh! photo is of the Keystone Cops of course, but I like the Marx Brothers quote.
Re the upcoming vaccination ‘invite’: “I wouldn’t be a member of any club that would have me as a member”. 🙂
Boris has been very open about his play at being a fool.
Hancock. Is my answer wrong?
2 years ago I was diagnosed with bowel cancer, through the poo stick scheme. Fortunately I was diagnosed very early and only under went surgery. The cancer was close to lymph nodes and from diagnoses to surgery in 2weeks. Back in July I called up about a follow up investigation which had been postponed from March. I got an appointment very quickly and went to the hospital for the procedure. The hospital is the major one in the county and it was deserted, hardly anybody there. Today I had a follow up CT scan, but before I had that I had to have a blood test. I went to my local GPs and sat in the waiting room for 20 minutes, I was the only person in the waiting room. I overheard the receptionist say there was only a locum on duty (normally there are 5 doctors). I went for my CT scan and the hospital was still deserted. I arrived 20 mins before my appointment and was shown straight into the scan suit as there were no patients around. The radiologist said it’s been quiet and the reason I went straight in.
When required the NHS is brilliant, but how many people will die because there appointment has been delayed or cancelled. When or if we get back to normal the flood of people wanting medical attention will overwhelm the system and there will be another NHS crises.
Primary care, ie our GPs seem to be where the issue are. The practice I visit usually four permanent, two locum and up-to two trainee GPs.
I have unfortunately had to visit the practice twice since lockdown started and I have only been aware of two GPs being in attendance. Have the others left the practice? are they working from home who knows?
GPs need to be forced into seeing patients, then we can get the health service working again.
Very pleased to know that you were seen and hope you will receive good news,but,as you say, a disaster is looming,all thanks to the Covid fixation of our so called leaders.
Psychiatric services,routine operations,cardiology ,neurology,paediatrics,gynaecology and ophthalmic services to name a few are also in disarray,with mounting waiting lists :indicators of the extent of the damage being done to public health and well being as a result of this madness.
I’m glad you were seen, Smelly Melly!
But the NHS has turned into a killing machine. Killing by calculated, deliberate neglect. They will pay in the end, but that won’t help the victims.
Utter shite.
Did it take you very long to think of such a clever comment?
About as long as it took me to read the frankly silly, generalistic, completely un-founded remark to which it was directed.
You have chosen your pseudonym well.
I do hate dogs.
Do tell me biker. Normally I sweep past your comments because they’re mostly infantile but in this instance, do tell. I hope you have the facts to hand, clinical details, medical history etc. If in fact you just have another silly horror story, founded on rumour and sensationalism then don’t bother. I think we’ve all had our fill of those in the last six months.
Eh let me think, oh yeah fuck off wanker
Also, go and wash your neck.
I agree with you, can’t understand the hatred of the NHS. Perhaps those who loathe it so much would prefer the American system.
I’m all for the NHS in theory. Fantastic, brilliant, awesome that our country can put together such a fine system.
It is shot through with privatising political skeletons and change agents. The decline is purposeful. Our nation’s labour built up perhaps our natiins best achievement. And the snivelling little shit weasel tiktok nurses and GPs havent got the respect for us to stand up and describe what is happening.
It’s a very hard sell to like the NHS in 2020. The oath of care, the hypocritical one, serves as a Peeps line to show how far it has sunk.
I am 100% behind a Bevin NHS. The scum that has infected it need sterilising.
What a simplistic view.
I don’t love the NHS, I’ve worked in it for nearly 20 years so I’m under no illusions about it’s inadequacies. I also know that the NHS isn’t deliberately killing people. Mostly in fact we expend huge amounts of time and effort caring for the neglected and abandoned parents of selfish boomers. The really sad thing about care-homes is that they exist in such large numbers and are permanently wedged with peoples unwanted elderly, but of course that’s the governments fault! Society needs to reflect a little more deeply on this issue instead of pointing the finger at the government.
I come here for some rationalism and balance and instead get insulted by a silly middle aged women and a man (loosely) that can’t use punctuation.
I hope you get good news and it’s good to hear you are getting the care you need. To your point, how could nobody see that to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by Covid patients at the expense of treating nothing else, the NHS would eventually be overwhelmed by cancelled diagnostic tests and surgeries? Anybody with half a brain could project ahead to the disaster being created. Had the lockdown truly lasted 2-3 weeks, it could have been recoverable, but now the backlog is enormous and getting worse by the day. I don’t know how bad it is in Canada yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the MSM is purposely not reporting on the backlog.
Breaking….
Cases fall again, government policy is working.
Lots of luv Laura K
Scottish hospitalisations up to 2/9/20.
Welsh hospital admissions up to 11th Sept. That’s an odd shape, who in Wales can explain that, looks high and flat?
Probably a nocebo effect. Precautionary admissions to hospital which would otherwise be very under utilised. False positive test result + temperature = admit to hospital urgently !
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-flaw-in-the-reporting-of-welsh-data-on-covid-hospital-admissions/ This might help.
Flaw?
Lie.
Oh yes, isn’t that a thing! The Welsh report suspected cases! There some data on people presenting to GPs with suspected Covid, 1.7% of them tested positive.
So, of the 19,390 Welsh patients I wonder how many really were?
Northern Irish Hospital Admissions.
Interesting to plot hospitalisations against positive cases. Make of it what you will.
These graphs are getting boring, Nick. You say they are for different things, but they all just show the same thing, something that is going away. I spotted that all by myself. 🙂 🙂
Sorry to bore you.
You are not boring me.
Too kind!
No, keep it up. Bring us more ‘boring’ (as in consistent) truth. It’s plain to anyone, except, strangely, if you work in government.
They are great submissions Nick thank you. I get where Sam is coming from – all the data points to the same situation yet here we are struggling to live in meaningfully happy ways. These graphs are great to pass on. Thanks.
Looks like you’ve heard of irony, and you spotted my *two* smileys, Basics. Yes, they are great. An instant visual refutation of the lies we are being told. Nearly anything that you care to graph (e.g. not number of tests to date) shows up that ‘shark fin’ shape that says “it came, it got worse, then it went away. NickR can see it, we all can see it, why not TPTB?
Anyone with Twitter able to share these graphs with Julia Hartley-Brewer or Mike Graham at Talk Radio? Julia has Ivor Cummins’s latest video as her pinned tweet, so think she would be interested..
The more data we see, the more we can defend our stance. Please keep it up Nick.
Thank you, NickR- I find these charts really helpful, and I’ll be sharing this one on my new MeWe page (my old one was deleted by Facebook for sharing this sort of factual information)…
One paragraph on the temperature change article that I posted:
It’s important to find out why, she added, because it could affect lifespan. “We are having human cooling, and we don’t know what that means, but it’s good to know that it’s happening.”
Does this sentence make sense to anyone here?
The colder you get, the longer you live, and that’s a Good Thing?
Ah, the Science…
Off Topic: HCQ
Interesting news item from Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5teMsw2h4
Great video to send to anyone sceptical of HCQ, as all the studies have now been collated..
‘I am not a number, I am a free man.’
It’s that number 6 again.
I’ll be wearing my Number 6 t-shirt tomorrow.
From tomorrow, if I go into the Prisoner gift shop in Portmeirion, I’m supposed to wear a mask. Pah!
Be seeing you
The ultimate irony.
Couldn’t agree more.
Not for long, sad to say.
Not currently. You have a number, you will be tracked; you will be traced, you will be masked, you will be comply on fear of sanctions, you are number 6.
A t-shirt with “We’re all Number 6 now” might be appropriate.
Ian Brown – Kiss Ya Lips (No I.D.)
https://youtu.be/_Gz9Tt8AW7U
One of my cafe customers today wanted to change to a table which had just been vacated in the sun.
I “alerted” him it is our policy to sanitise the metal table for 5 minutes. He replied: It is my own risk!
and then we agreed that the heat and UV will kill any virus anyway.
He knew and accepted a risk ( albeit a vanishingly small one). .A rara avis indeed.
Amazing, someone showing signs of thinking for themselves. Hope at last.
Media Bear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxrKe74d5_M
I find all their videos hilarious.
I do affirm it with my soul. And heart and mind.
Been reading a book by L. H. Marshall on New Testament ethics, published in 1945:
“The duty of forgiveness on man’s part is made conditional upon the repentance of the offending party. Without repentance forgiveness is impossible – for it has to be accepted as well as bestowed. To say ‘I forgive you’ to a man who acknowledges no wrong is simply to make oneself absurd. It is this very simple and obvious fact which is so often forgotten by those who talk glibly about forgiving those guilty of crimes against humanity.”
Now try to imagine Boris, or Hang-cock, or Pantsdown Ferguson saying ‘sorry’.
No, I couldn’t either.
Just heard that “EDINBURGH University’s David Hume Tower has been renamed “40 George Square” following protests over the 18th century philosopher’s racist writing.” I’m feeling depressed now.
Which low lifes have sanctioned this?
Devis employer the ed uni. A woke little institution found to have been massively overstretched by the economic woes of lockdown. Any international students reading, don’t bother, the university only wants your money. Brand new student halls full of rats – true.
One of the great philosophers of the 18th century. The current crop of academics aren’t fit to lick his boots.
surprised they didn’t go for “40 george soros square”
George Floyd more like.
I.ve been told by my management today to remind customers who use our coffee bar (mostly come in, queue, order, take your drink in a papercup to sit outside) to wear a face covering whilst queuing and ordering.
I will not, as I myself do not wear a mask due to anxiety and I know exactly how it feels to be challenged by a gate keeper.
We have 2 doors open all the time and high ceilings. Likelihood of transmission in our very low positive PCR region zero. But my management worked at a testing station as part of our int. facilities management companies’ contract with the government and they are all bedwetters to the max.
Very frustrating. .
Indeed. You are making a brave stand.
Good luck
About to make a stance (under similarly ridiculous ‘covid safe’ bullshit conditions) at my work too, i suspect i won’t survive.
The place is full of the virtue signaling brain dead types whom i’ve sadly realised occupy this country so hopefully it’s the right move.
Will see i guess
Hi Silke David that puts you in a difficult position. I hope it works out OK for you.
I assume you can say “please wear a muzzle unless exempt” and leave it at that.
And wink when you say exempt.
Boycott the Co-op:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/13/coughed-on-spat-at-uk-shop-workers-fear-asking-customers-to-wear-masks
The Co-op is giving body cameras to public-facing employees vulnerable to customer abuse
I wonder who starts it.
OH who works for the soon but not soon enough to be defunct PHE has started referring to a positive test as a ‘diagnosis’. Apparently this is common parlance in T&T because after all, the PCR test is a ‘diagnostic test’.
God save me…
with each new bizarre rule they try, and achieve, to piss off everyone and scare the bejeezus out of the weak minded. I predicted every three weeks new rule changes culminating in them going into lockdown two weeks before Christmas. They are doing everything they can to break the human spirit
I just can’t abide your relentless bloody optimism, Biker! 😉 MW
It surely looks that way, I actually hate our politicians with a passion. Don’t forget one more “strategy” they have and that could be deployment of the Army on to UK streets.
Not enough of them – There are 82,000 Army personnel, and most of them are serving overseas. The Australians couldn’t implement martial law in more than one city, namely Melbourne.
Not sure how this following stat help but will add it anyway. 4 million Vets in UK include their families it makes 15 million. Judt a handy number to know. I dont intend it to fit into the discussion.
I am wondering when they will introduce a night time curfew?
Maybe when office party season starts? We would not want people enjoying themselves.
It’s a real possibility. Every few days I look at the questions on the YouGov survey website. There it was. Do you agree with a 10pm- 5am curfew? I’ve noticed that pretty much everything they introduce seems to follow the questions on these surveys. I reckon it might be worth doing these surveys as some weight must be given to them. My husband says the few thousand doing them are probably a certain type and age sitting watching the tv/bbc all day long.
Problem is the 77th brigade will be both voting and fiddling the result to be whatever the government wants it to be..
The fact they are even asking the question tells you exactly what the direction of travel is.
Exactly!
Just to be clear when talking about PCR false positives; if the false positive rate is, say, 2%, that means 2% of the total number of tests carried out will (or are likely to) deliver a false positive result, right? It doesn’t mean that 2% of the positive results are false, does it?
It’s that a given test has a 2% chance of producing a false positive result in a scenario of no Covid.
So if you conduct 100 tests on a Covid-free population, you will still get 2 “positive” results.
This is why, when we are in a low-prevalence environment (such as now), if you do personally get a positive result then it is (for example, depending on prevalence) 70% likely that your positive result is false.
Thanks. You confirmed what I thought.
Lazily I’ve said “no Covid” but strictly speaking I should have said something like: “no presence of the RNA sequence of SARS-CoV-2 supposedly detected by the test”.
And I believe the rate of false positives is also related to the number of PCR cycles used to test the specimen. Anything over 30 cycles greatly increases the chances of a positive being false. I was listening to a molecular biologist on a call last night who is very familiar with PCR tests and she said that here in Ontario we may be at 45 cycles, which is insane, though should couldn’t confirm because nobody in public health will answer the question. She also said that one is never told how many cycles an individual sample was subjected to before turning positive — it’s a quantitative test, and so if a sample tests positive at 5 cycles it’s far more likely to to be a real positive than if it tests positive at anything over 30 cycles. Major league scam.
A specificity of 98% means 98% of people who should test negative actually test negative; this means that there are 2% whose result is positive when it should be negative.
A sensitivity of 70% means that 70% of people who should test positive actually test positive; meaning that 30% whose result is negative should be positive.
And just to follow up on that: the number most people are interested in is: if I get a positive result, how likely is it to be correct? This is none of the above, and to work it out you need to know how many true positives there actually are.
For example, the current true positive rate in the population is 0.1%. Take those figures: test specificity is 98% (false positives 2%) and sensitivity is 70% (false negatives 30%)
The reported positive results comes from adding together the true positives correctly reported positive: 70% of 0.1% plus true negatives falsely reported positive: 2% of 99.9%. That’s a total of 0.07% + 1.998% = 2.068% of which the 0.07% share comes from the true positive contribution; that is, 3.4% of the reported positives are true and 96.6% of them are false.
In so many businesses those that are a bit bullet proof but pretty useless ended up as the Health & Safety Officer, you’d no more trust them to run the business than you would……. I don’t know……. Jeremy Corbyn? HR people were much the same. Good HR people told you how you could do something, alas most of them only ever told you why you couldn’t.
We now appear to have given these people power, & just look what they’ve done with it. Put them back in their box!
New World Order Zombies – Half-witted Twits.
I’m sure this will have been asked and answered before but https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727979/Another-five-people-die-coronavirus-England-bringing-deaths-total-29-661.html includes “The patients counted in today’s death toll were aged between 67 and 86 and all had known underlying health conditions.
The dates of the deaths were September 11 and September 12. No deaths were reported with no positive Covid-19 test result.” Is it really the case that not one person died in hospital from a RTA, cancer ,stroke etc?
Can’t be, so they probably meant all the “Covid” deaths were of people who had had a positive test (not just assumed to have Covid on the basis of their symptoms).
According to Dr Vernon Coleman The New England Journal of Medicine articles are free to read.
A mate told me that the entire Year 7 (~200 pupils) at the school he works at was sent home for two-week isolation after one felt sniffley at the weekend and tested positive. Apparently if a teacher falls ill and tests positive, all teachers must isolate and the whole school will close. Over a single cold. This would be hilarious if it weren’t real.
We have a school in Grantham, Lincolnshire in exactly the same situation, entire year 7 sent home for 14 days, after one student tested positive.
Kings School
Whilst it may not be making the new I suspect quite a few school are facing partial closures.
It’s real alright. Mrs Tenchy works in a school. Last week a child in Year 7 tested positive. It was an asymptomatic “case”, after his father had been ill for just a day with a temperature, before recovering. Nevertheless, the whole year group – or “bubble” as they call it – and the teacher are now self isolating for 14 days. Operatives from the council then came in to fumigate the classroom with some obnoxious spray that caused several staff to cough and splutter. Bloody madness, the whole thing
Where is the outrage for such nonsense. Collective psychosis
I agree about hillarious if not real. It is real and the effect of the instability children are living in is unforgivable.
This will be the “second wave” — every sniffle will be a “case” and schools will all shut down and will go online again. It won’t matter if very few die and all deaths from anything respiratory this fall/winter will be chalked up to Covid. They’re well on their way to manufacturing a so-called second wave. Gotta keep the fear up and the people locked down.
Yes, even if the numbers of hospitalised and dead do not increase, just the fact of schools opening and closing creates the *IMPRESSION* of a second wave in the minds of the gullible…
My elder daughter, a teacher, has just caught the inevitable ‘back to school’ cold. Will find out tomorrow what the school’s reaction will be.
Also, she has been ticked off for not distancing enough in the staff room.
It would seem there is a cold going around at the moment as the kids have gone back to school, I know several people including me who have had it. I assume this is why all the test centres are inundated at the moment, I dont know why this is not being reported in the news, as maybe people would not panic if they knew. Interestingly I used the NHS, do you need a covid test questionaire on line and it told me I just had a cold, which surprised me, as I thought no matter what symptom I had it would want me to have one “just incase” but apparently not.
Loads of kids in Sweden suffering from colds (as is usual at this time of year). They’re getting tested and all have been negative for Covid!
If we had a government that could be trusted not to misrepresent the figures, testing more here might be a good idea. The reason people in the UK are prepared to drive long distances to get tested is because, say, their child has symptoms, gets sent home and then the whole family – including the breadwinners – has to self-isolate for 14 days: loss of income. As it is, sceptics will probably avoid the test if possible because they don’t want to give the government more ammunition.
Don’t want to give the government DNA either – too much room for misuse..
I saw a news report on the German internet apparently the association of GPs and “kassenaerzten” (doctors with their own surgery outside of hospital, but connected to the system) told a newspaper they urge the government end corona regulations as there is no pandemic/epidemic anymore.
I think/hope if Germany sees sense, other countries will follow.
Indeed…but I doubt Merkel would lift restrictions until the US Presidential elections are out of the way.
Not sure why they are connected? She has gone her own way before, see refugees.
One of the objectives of the Covid measures is to get rid of Trump. It would be hard for the Dems in the US to maintain the panic if, say, Western Europe suddenly went back to normal. The virus enables the Dems to create hardship, which they hope Trump will be blamed for. But more importantly, it enables them to push for postal voting. Because US voting is so corrupt, this could give them a huge electoral advantage.
I don’t know who I hate more. The government, the mainstream media or the majority of the British public.
No contest,all of the above equally.
Got to be the mainstream media. They pushed the government into a full lockdown and they’ve misinformed the Great British Public at every turn.Moreover, they are the ones driving extension of restrictions with their absurd alarmism.
But you forgot the academics. Surely their role has been totally deplorable: lying about the risk, making up fantasy figures, failing to declare financial interests, politicising their role and whipping up mass hysteria through irresponsible statements.
The government didn’t need any pushing. They were gagging to do it.
I hate the public, my hometown has just been put on special measures and the Facebook group is full of sheeple begging to put on harder lockdown, and thanking the government for protecting them
Cowardly Scum
I know what you mean, but there is an appetite for life out there too, not just among sceptics but among the wider public. These people are politically apathetic, going along with the measures for a quiet life and thinking it will be over soon. They can be convinced to push back, with enough of the right information and once more and more mainstream figures start to say it’s over.
I have come to the conclusion that these people deserve their lockdown, I just wish they would leave the rest of us alone as the cower is abject terror
Public sector wollahs?
I think I agree. This falls on the cowardly public. The majority of them believe everything they see or read in the media or on social media. They begged for a lockdown and still encourage further restrictions. They are pathetic. It’s a shame that we can’t just lock them all away and we get back to normal.
All of them will be taking the vaccine, so the hope has to be that this will make them all so sick that they are never seen in public again.
This whole mess has turned me from a decent person to one who, like you, hopes a lot of people get really ill from the vaccine so that the whole “vaccinate the world” agenda collapses. Only when something that catastrophic happens — a death and illness toll that even the most ignorant person can see is far worse than Covid could ever inflict — do we have a chance at getting out of this insanity.
Yes, but I would suspect that any nasties added to the vaccine will have been designed not to show up immediately. I’ve heard 7 years mentioned in various places…
There have already been bad reactions reported so I think if they vaccinate on a mass scale we’ll see illness fairly quickly. I don’t disagree that there may also be long-term effects that won’t show up for years, but it’ll be near impossible to link them to the vaccine. Recall the Swine Flu vaccine of 1976; it was a disaster and had to be pulled fairly quickly. I wish people had better memories or at least did their research.
One potential ‘nasty’ that I’ve read that they will add to the vaccine will cause sterility (makes sense; previous Gates vaccination programmes have been linked to this). A discovery that large numbers of people are infertile would be able to be linked back to the vaccine, given that it is likely to be the only common factor between those affected..
I have never been a decent person by any stretch of the imagination, but this is the first time that I have started exhibiting psychopathic personality traits. Sadly this is the only way I can cope with the ongoing horror show, by becoming a demon myself. It does mean that people tend to leave me well alone, and as circumstances deteriorate further may well become critical for survival.
I suspect I would find you quite decent! You’re merely fighting fire with fire. I’ve become quite isolated by choice. I was never much for self-censoring, but these days I find it impossible so I’m sure I’ve pissed off a fair few friends.
They’re not friends if they can’t allow you your opinion
You’re not a demon,. just a normal person exercising self-defence.
Yes, I am hoping (a bit) that the vaccine is thoroughly Darwinian and temporarily destroys their health. That’s the sort of thing they need to shock them out of their complacency. I don’t actually want them to be hurt, but I do want them all to get the fright of their lives; enough so that they realise that a dinky virus is nowhere near as dangerous as a maniac with an untested needle.
They’re patently all mad. Shame you can’t move.
In this order:
The media
The Government
The people
It’s the media that has carried out this psychological warfare on the public, on behalf of the government. They are fully complicit and even more responsible than the Tories and Civil Servants, as they’re supposed to be impartial and question things. I hold them even more culpable than the politicians.
I believe it is deeply psychological for some. Self censorship, self deception, the ability to not allow yourself to think certain things as it does not conform to the boundaries in which you operate.
I wonder exactly when the penny will drop for the majority and they finally realize they have embraced “life” in a dictatorship?
For most, never. They love being told what to do.
I don’t think most care. Hence Nazi Germany and the 1930s, Would never have happened if people cared. Only 2 – 5% were active in French Resistance. Rest cooperated or collaborated.
Yes, if only people had just cared then WWII just wouldn’t have happened. That’s all it was, lack of caring. Yes.
Until after the war, then everyone had been in the Resistance.
It’ll probably be the same once the economic disaster becomes a bigger story than Covid-19. In a few months everyone will claim to have been against the ‘lockdown’ – especially Piers Morgan.
Death in a dictatorship?
Without the widespread compliance of the public, the government and mainstream media could make pronouncements all day and nothing would ever happen.
This starts and ends with the people. And as we have found out in 2020, most of them are already dead.
All of them.
Media is by far the worst. There isn’t a hint of independent left in any of the mainstream outlets
Bill’s money is working wonders.
Yes, annoyingly..
An hour sat in the car outside a Dunelm Mill shop waiting for my wife was extremely depressing.
An endless stream of fully compliant living dead going in and out but what really made me angry was the little girl,probably about four years old, wearing a bright pink tight fitting neoprene type muzzle,what the bloody hell is going through her mother’s head ? !,not very much by the looks of it.I know it’s been said endlessly,but this is child abuse.The thought of the psychological harm being done to that little soul makes me want to scream.
A car pulled in next to me and I heard a mother ask her two boys aged about 8 or 9,’where are your masks ?’.
The only bright spot was a when a woman parked opposite and got out wearing an exemption card on a lanyard and went confidently into the store,I was so pleased I wanted to give her a big hug !.
Out of the 60 or 70 customers I must have seen it was only this lady and my wife who were unmuzzled.
I watched the 1969 movie ‘Battle of Britain’ earlier today and it made made me compare the selfless bravery of the men and women that saved our country from tyranny in 1940 (including my aunt’s dad who flew Hurricanes in the battle) with those people queuing obediently outside of the shop whilst a 16 year old girl sanitised their trolleys so there was no risk of dropping dead the moment they touched one.Pathetic.
Putting a mask on a 4 year old is about control – keeping her quiet while her Mum shops in peace, but under the guise of “ooh I’m protecting her from Covid”. Terrible and shameful that little ones are being treated like this.
It’s worse than that. As the masks are all about protecting others, as we are always reminded, that 4 year old is an infectious time bomb and her mum knows it. She’s saving lives by gagging the offending item
I am sickened by the enthusiasm shown by parents posting shots of their masked children on Instagram. They all truly believe they’re doing their part in solving this “crisis”
Extra! Extra! Bubonic plague in China! Soon to be disseminated around the globe.
Dr Vernon Coleman Yesterday, September 12 2020
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-vernon-coleman-se-pondra-peor_SNmie8oFUDS4RZY.html
Isn’t bubonic a Plague a bacterial infection so antibiotics
except 6 months of antibiotic solutions being splashed about means that they dont work on the plague anymore
As i have been saying for a long while now, divisiveness is the whole point. The most dangerous situation for the government would be a population united against them. So they must resort to that age old concept of “divide and conquer”. It is the only way a small group of people can overcome and control a much larger group. Almost everything they’re doing is designed with this concept in mind.
Look at face masks. The idea is not that you should wear a mask for your own protection. If that were the case, people would choose not to wear them at their own risk, and others wouldn’t have an issue with them taking that risk. But no. The masks have to be worn so as not to infect others. This has turned the issue from “Look at that stupid guy, not wearing a mask… It’s his own life, so whatever.” into “Look at that guy, he’s trying to kill me! I must fight back for my own life!”. Division, hatred, infighting. All so we never join forces against those we should be resisting.
That’s the insidious thing about the mask narrative. They’ve made it about “protecting others” which then gives these others the “right” to harass you for not protecting them. Many of the medical masks say right on the packaging they don’t protect against Covid-19 and it makes no sense that a mask has a one-way filtration system that protects others and not the wearer. All of which is to say that, yes, masks are a tool of compliance and division. I want to tear my hair out when anyone fluffs them off as just a “bit of cloth” when the symbolism of them is so obvious. Don’t remember where I read it, but someone said the only people who (used to) wear masks are anarchists, perverts and criminals.
Yes, the pro-mask argument falls down immediately once you point out the one-way filtration system aspect.. Especially for those wearing home-made cloth masks!
I expect I have just lost a friend on a different forum I frequent. He commented that he was most upset when he saw four people in the shops today without masks. I replied:
You have to understand that many of us have very real reasons why we are exempt from wearing these horrible face masks. Please do not criticise us, the government guidelines accept this. We don’t even need to show an exemption badge but I do to avoid confrontation. I take it that as per the guidelines you wash or sanitise your hands every time you put it on or take it off and keep it in a plastic bag, and if it is a disposable one dispose of it after every trip. OK, I take it you don’t, like everybody else. I find it odd that everybody puts these things on because of incredibly weak evidence they help then utterly defeat the object by spreading their own germs via it.
On the same subject I find I can no longer look at people who are masked, I find it most upsetting and utterly destroys any humanity.
Well said. That person was no friend of yours.
I agree about not being able to look at them. It makes me feel ill.
https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-and-uk-media-created-fear-in-the-british-public/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22-march-2020
This is so true, thanks Cristi. We’ve always been divided and conquered politically with Left v Right but this new psychological division of whether to wear a muzzle or not is a fearsome new tactic and it’s working wonders
Look at this! https://twitter.com/EricMcPh/status/1305146729378045952
How an elementary school is storing masks – as the poster says; do this in a hospital and it would be considered medical malpractice!
Exactly
That survey was an ultra low point, even by The New Normal Guardian standards.
The Man and the Mosquito
Did you hear the parable about the man and the mosquito? A man notices a mosquito in his living room. He is terrified it might bite him. He panics, and decides to pour petrol on the carpet, curtains and walls and set them on fire. His house eventually burns down.
The man has managed to kill the mosquito, but he has also destroyed his house. The man still believes it was a good decision. He argues his method achieved his intended outcome as the mosquito could have gone on to bite many others, possibly giving them malaria and killing them.
Other people see this as successful, copy his method, and decide to burn their houses down too. Even though they have no mosquitos in their living rooms, just in case.
In the end, there are no houses left as they have all been burned down. “But it was worth it!” Said the original house burner. “Now we have zero houses left, it’s impossible to get bitten in our living rooms.”
He goes for a walk, and sits down by a lake at dusk. He relaxes and reflects on how proud he is that he has encouraged everyone to burn down their homes. “I’ve saved them all.” He thinks to himself.
The man falls into a long sleep. He wakes up the next morning in incredible discomfort. He is itching all over and can’t understand why. He lifts up his sleeves and trouser legs, to discover hundreds of red marks on his legs and arms. To his horror, he realises they are mosquito bites. Panicked, he runs back home to seek shelter so that he can never be bitten by a mosquito again. But as he arrives home, he remembers he has no home. He burnt it down. As did all his friends. The end.
Good to hear from you RDawg.
Thanks. I mostly just tweet these days on my twitter platform. twitter.com/WeWillBeFree82
😃👍🏼
Followed!
RDawg, this Twitter account is worth following and retweeting – the posters and leaflets on it are great! Perhaps you could ask how we get some from her? https://twitter.com/befree200
Bravo, well written!
Good stuff. Reminds me of Oggy and the Cockroaches, where in most episodes the dumb duo would end up destroying the house, just to stop their foe.
We’ve just got back from a holiday in Turkey. My wife was stressed more than normal during travelling because she is prone to ear infections which can cause a temperature. Thankfully she passed the temperature check in Turkey, possibly helped by taking paracetamol beforehand. We both took some before the return journey just in case.
The day before coming home we spent a frustrating half hour filling in the online govt form for travellers to avoid any hassles at UK border control. That turned out to be a waste of time as nobody checked if we’d filled it in! If they’re still doing these forms when we travel next year then we won’t bother with them.
The State of Georgia, USA decided to open up back around April/May with people predicting it would become a disaster zone.
Similar population to Sweden (10M) and similar death toll of 6k.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/georgia/
You can choose to believe in models and predictions that catastrophe awaits if we open up or you can look at live evidence of what is possible.
The State of Georgia, USA decided to open up back around April/May
Is this the one, sane place in the world we can emigrate to? (Apart from Sweden, of course, but we can’t speak the language).
South Dakota, but the weather kind of sucks!
The weather kind of sucks in the UK too, especially in the western bits…
This BS story has been very educational for many of us. Let’s carry that new awareness and knowledge into the future when we defeat these $@@#$%#$%!
Most certainly we will.
Dr Vernon Coleman on Vaccines:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/vernon-coleman-cu%C3%A1ntos-miles-de-millones-podr%C3%ADa-matar-o-da%C3%B1ar-la-vacuna-covid-19_5N6NbOqlVRUvJZu.html
It appears Jonny Mercer MP might be having somekind of desperation meltdown. He seems rattled and very very bitter at the nation he is supposed to serve. Calling Dellingpole a C**t publicly was just one part. True colours are revealed by crisis – it appears Jonny is having a crisis judging by the colours he is revealing.
I wonder what is the cause of his crisis. He has been going on about being on the side of police and this old lady. Little good statesmanship coming from the oik.
The replies to his post about the old lady are very amusing, majority along the lines of ‘the only reason she is so scared is because of your government’. Original tweet he was sharing seems to have been deleted now.
https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1304857374977650688
I’m glad people are reporting him to the Parliamentary standards committee and also to Lindsay Hoyle..
Might that be this response by any chance?
Perhaps he lost his ‘other’ job? The one that pays (another) 80 grand for four hours per week.
He also used the F word on another tweet..
He had a serious head injury last month (canoeing) – might it explain his behaviour?
Has the entire government been canoeing?
Yes up Mount Everest.
up Shit Creek
Could have benefited him – it’s the place that would do least harm.
Back in march he was referring to people who were questioning the right of the police to set up road blocks around here, to enforce the lockdown, as ‘kn*bs’.
He used to be my MP. Not very bright although I always thought he meant well. Seems to be losing it now though.
Delingpole has retorted that Mercer is ‘living proof that there’s no hope for the Conservative Party’.
I think it’s much worse than that – replace ‘Conservative Party’ above with ‘Parliament’.
He’s in a spat now with Dolan and Hitchens
Also tweeted that he wasn’t interested in debating the merits of masks (obviously an interest in debate and the truth isn’t important for an MP) and it was enough that the medics on the front line had requested that they be mandatory (not sure which medics he means, and in any case since when did government give a specific group everything they asked for unquestioningly?) and also made reference to “knuckle dragging journalists” (ad hominem = your case is weak).
Very revealing
Yes, and someone in the replies has posted this link, regarding a 13 year old girl who died on a school bus due to wearing a mask:
https://commonsensetv.nl/kind-bezwijkt-in-schoolbus-na-dagelijks-gedwongen-mondkapje/?fbclid=IwAR3OBgoeRPmDuoKHC64GaMXsCwxkDMYuxN8EMqeouC7u0y7MG1wgWbIYRLU
Article in Dutch, with a video in German underneath, but this is a translation:
‘A 13-year-old girl collapsed and died in a school bus in Germany last Monday.
At 1.45 pm an emergency was reported after the schoolgirl at Wörth am Rhein suddenly passed out in a half-full school bus containing 32 other children and did not come to.
The volunteer fire brigade Büchelsberg tried to resuscitate her before ambulance personnel arrived, but the child died in a hospital in Karlsruhe.
She had a doctor’s certificate for not wearing a mouth mask in the school bus because of certain health complaints.
Despite this, she was forced daily by the bus driver to put on the mouth mask, otherwise she was not allowed to travel on the school bus.
The medical report containing the cause of death will be published next week.
The relatives are having an autopsy carried out on the girl.’
Note her exemption was ignored…
The Scruton affair showed the measure of that man.
Video of German (sceptic) doctors in discussion. Interview with Robert Kennedy Jr (another hero, imo) in English, from this timepoint, with a focus on vaccines:-
https://youtu.be/D7J9urSAFfQ?t=300
Sorry, they’re actually lawyers who are attempting legal class actions particularly around the PCR test, which is being used as the basis for lockdown restrictions in many countries.
Any link to this, sounds interesting.
What are the timescales?
I only know what they commented in the video. There are more videos on that channel, but they are in German.
Has any media person asked Bill Gates if he would willingly take the Covid-19 vaccine? His wife and children? Insist that he take it first by neutral GPs and then we’ll wait a few years to see what happened.
No chance, they are too busy blowing smoke up his ass and venerating him as a philanthropic demigod to ask him any real questions.
We already know what the answer to this will be anyway. No one in the “leadership” will be taking the vaccine. It’s only for the proles.
They’ll be taking the saline placebo for a photo op.
Agreed, a few of them will have to do the PR bit to encourage the undead to follow suit.
He hasn’t had his own children vaccinated, apparently – says it all really..
The govt are telling us that the “epidemic” is doubling every 7-8 days.
Last Sunday, 7 days ago: 2988 cases
Today: 3330 cases
Assuming you trust their dodgy “case” numbers, which obviously they do, what are they going on about?
It’s simple. 2,988 x 2 = 3,330.
That’s according to Prof Ferguson, I think. According to Prof Susan Michie it’s 6660.
For Neil Ferguson 2988 x 2 = 600 million
Which is the population of Leicester. So that’s 600 million lives saved by local lockdown – it’s working!
let us pray for the 38 billion lives up in Scotland
Prof Ferguson of the Abbotpotomous School of Advanced Mathematics?
yep I can confirm this is correct even though my 2 calculators won’t give me the correct number, I know 3,330 is 100% correct
Diane Abbott has checked your arithmetic and agrees,
Layla Moran has verified Diane’s workings.
Was she wearing matching shoes?
Eleventy-nine point twelve?
If you drill down the ‘cases’ to date the test was taken, there appears to have been a spike early this week coinciding with the new term, I think a lot of people were testing out of precaution then.
Of course – ‘dodgy case numbers’ are the top and bottom.
Seriously 33 3
Interesting numbers signaling imo
This was an anti lockdown protest where I live. One of the speakers is a local Councillor. A GP, she came out of retirement to work during the call to arms in March and April. She continues to work at a local GP practice. Starts on 40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/SEvJR_CJPmU
She talks about her experience on the front line and how they had very little to do and the impact on other areas of the hospital as services were reduced. In this NHS ward we’ve around 250,000 people. We’ve had 21 deaths and none since the end of May
I’d be amazed if the NHS have treated 250,000 people in the entire country since March.
Brave woman. So few have spoken out.
She’s a good example of why. It takes real guts. She’s been vilified as a Covid denier, a mad woman, a right wing facist. All by people who did not step up when this was looking real, who probably did little but clap once a week. And who haven’t had the courage to question the bullshit at all.
“We’ve had 21 deaths and none since the end of May”. You have but not just of/with covid!
Indeed. We don’t even have a single hospitalisation marked as Covid in the ward right now.
Can we be done with masks then? Not a chance
Well done her. An example for others.
Wife is a pathologist. Earlier today she was telling me that in a normal year her labs process samples from 60,000 patients, but as of Friday they had seen just 30,000.
Since they were working normally up to the end of March, I work out that in the 5 months since they have seen 10,000 less patients than usual. That will probably be 15,000 less by the end of the year.
That’s thousands of cancers missed or discovered too late, and this is just one NHS Trust.
This is outrageous, and the real scandal of Lockdown..
What is her opinion on why those NHS people who are tasked with caring and protecting people remain so quiet?
My wife avoids confrontation, so she is never going to make noises. But she’s just one person, and there will be many people in the NHS who want to shout it loud. What’s stopping them? Fear.
They have all received an email forbidding any discussion about Covid-19 on social media.
If that one fact were more widely known, it might make more people start wondering what the NHS has got to hide.
That email should be shared widely….
Anyone have it ? Any chance it could be posted here ?
And therein lies the reason why we are now living in a totalitarian system, and will be for decades.
Can they feed their concerns through one of the nurses’ unions? Or even any union?
The unions will be in on it – not to be trusted!
‘Nuff said : this narrative cannot be sustained in an open society with open debate.
Is there an acceptance of gagging emails clause in contract of employment?
Whatever barrel they are strung over needs removing as part of the NHS rot.
Oh I don’t want to say anything about her or expect anything for that matter. But even just providing an anonymous inside perspective is appreciated.
I take it not mentioning Covid-19 online doesn’t include Tik Tok videos?
But do they do PCR tests? That’s the important thing. 🙂
Different department.
I would take this story to the press, obviously with a suitable NDA in place.
This is outrageous.
Perhaps via Julia Hartley Brewer or Andrew Neil.
You need to send this to Karol Sikora
Anyone in need of a giggle?
Over on Conservative Woman there’s an article “Face-mask follies grow ever loonier”
Some budding Einstein posted this 2 minute video as evidence of how face masks work (!!). Somehow I don’t think it would pass even a modicum of academic rigour do you? If this is the best that the ‘other side’ can do…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s&ab_channel=UNSW
A more real world test would have the no mask person top left with a hand or hankerchief over their mouth when coughing or sneezing for starters.
Yup show them coughing into the crook of their elbow, see what dispersion is like compared to face coverings.
I’ve never seen a real person sneeze like that…
I noticed that. Sneezing on command isn’t something many people can do I would imagine. Keeping your head still whilst doing so, is impossible. Calling BS on this
But the natural reaction when sneezing is to close your eyes as your head snaps forward. This looks like something was sprayed from the side of the face away from the camera…weird
It might be the mouth was loaded with liquid. Either way, this is just standard propaganda bullshit. Notice there are no shots showing how the masks expel from the sides?
I suppose to some extent that we’ve got to be reassured that this is the low level of intellect that the ‘other side’ possesses!
Ugh. Look at the dirty filthy sack of wet meat on the top left spilling its venom everywhere. Not like those good, clean, virtuous mask wearers.
Be pure. Be vigilant. Behave.
A friend of mine has a pub. A messenger chat between her an another friend today has shown me that I cant be part of the group chat any longer. I will shout at them if I hear any more about how because of the covid numbers ‘the complacency must stop’. She says they’ve had to cancel tables of more than 6 and some have tried to ask why since they are from the same family. The other friend says ‘but they should be from the same house’. Lots of hands on the forehead emoji’s – oh what idiots they are for not understanding that everyone should be blindly following the pointless idiotic rules!!
My friend seems to be perfectly fine with letting her business be run into the ground. I simply don’t understand how they can think anyone should not be deciding for themselves if they want to sit on a table of 8 or 10 or 12, with their own family whether they live in 1 house or 4 houses or 10 houses. Why do people actually want their rights removed? How are they not angry as hell? What is missing from their brains? I am at a loss. And have probably lost several of those friends now as I can’t even contemplate trying to let them know how wrong they are.
I have similar difficulties whenever I am in communication with any of my work colleagues. They have bought into all this hook, line and sinker. A planned return to the office has been delayed due to “rising cases”. All the reactions are along the lines of “I’m so relieved”, “It’s for the best”, “I was really worried” etc… I have to stop myself from ranting at their unquestioning acceptance of the nonsensical narrative.
This will continue until they start to actually lose out. That’s coming.
I read as many comments as I can on this site, I think it is wonderful and in the very dark days they all are – but for me April, May and June especially, this site was an absolute saviour. Reading about the accounts and thoughts of others I find so helpful, great links, interesting thoughts and just knowing that I was and am not alone. I find all comments here helpful, all of them, Nick – yours have also been so calming and steadily optimistic – thank you.
People would rather,I think,believe in the continuing viral “threat” than face the probability that the last 6 months have been a tragic and utter waste of lives and money and sanity and happiness
This. It’s a form of self deception. A double bind will appear soon. And then, psychological breakthrough shall be witnessed
Perhaps the one benefit of the Covid Cult is that I will never have to return to the office to mix with these fucking idiots. There will never be a time when there is not some respiratory virus or other doing the rounds that results in everything being shut down. In fact with a dodgy test there doesn’t even need to be a virus.
Of course this in no way makes up for the almost infinite downsides which are too numerous to mention and well documented here.
Divide and conquer. I think so many have experienced these divides. Not to bleat on, my story will be common, I’m sure and I’m certainly not looking for sympathy, some of my friendships have strengthened, some friendships I have lost forever, I have formed new and unexpected friendships and I have had to cut all ties with my family (they think I’m a conspiracy theorist etc. etc.). Bloody strange times.
Maybe THEY have become complacent regarding the survival of their pub business over the weeks since pubs re-opened? Now that track n trace is compulsory and there are limits on numbers, footfall will decrease… At that point, they may ‘see the light’..
Zubin
There are 360,000 cancer diagnoses per year, not far off 1,000 per day. There are 165,000 cancer deaths per year (grim, but a fate that awaits so many of us), so about 45% of cancer patients die within a year of diagnosis (it varies enormously depending on the cancer).
Now let’s look at Covid. CDC estimate:
So, where has the Government decided to spend a load of money. Sorting out those with a 1 in 2 chance or those with a 1 in a 1,000 chance?
If only someone could invent health economics & work out why this isn’t a very good idea.
Actually, Nick, I think the recent calculation for odds of death from Covid have lengthened.
Yeah, the money spent on covid shite, could have been spent on screenings, better aged care, better public health ( non nanny state ) information, a better health care system in general. This list just goes on.
Reclaim the huge sums of money given to GAVI and pharma and use it to restart small and medium size businesses.
Jonathan Sumption (ex-supreme court): how Boris Johnson conned the countryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ibHtut9zA
Just watched this and about to post! Don’t you think that this makes the ‘cock up’ theory look very weak….it’s all been very well planned
Yes, as Sumption says – the use of the Public Health act instead of the Civil Contingencies one only makes sense if your aim is to avoid the need to keep getting Parliament’s permission to make or extend regulations. And as he also says, the government have plenty of lawyers who would have advised them..
I wonder how well Sumption knows Lord Justice Hickinbottom, who will be hearing Simon Dolan’s appeal 😉 ?
His comments are certainly aimed. I like it.
It is of note which acts they have employed as you say. Selectively choosing the most advantageous to oppression and not emergency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsBwBct0_5U
Chambers Brothers Time has come today
Psychedelic.
No covid deaths reported in Wales over the last 12 days. I’m over the moon we’re mandating masks here tomorrow. The policy is obviously intended to resurrect covid fatalities.
“But if everyone just
stayed homesocially distancedwore masks it’d be all over in six weeks!”It’s part of the psyops — keep everyone unbalanced. Lower death rates = more draconian rules, the “logic” being we need to protect what we’ve achieved and stave off a “second wave.”
I live in sunny Cardiff. I will say I am a little nervous about tomorrow, but I will not ever wear a mask. I remember feeling nervous on 27th July when they brought obedience muzzles in for public transport. Same will apply for me from tomorrow, when or if questioned, I will say ‘I’m exempt’ and go forth. Still a bit weird though, all of these changes just simply to confuse, demoralise, divide and destabilise.
Welcome to the club of (uncharacteristically empathic and well balanced) sociopaths. I didn’t know I was a sociopath before the whole mask thing, but at least sociopathy gives me another ground for claiming exemption.
‘You need a face covering.’
‘I’m exempt. Sociopathy.’
‘Oh, so sorry.’
Oh that’s very funny.
Thankyou. Have a like 🙂
It is funny – and weirdly true – just so bloody knackered from work, I couldn’t come up with a response – and thank God I have a job where I need to be there, I know how lucky I am, well, for now.
If it’s like England, you’ll be OK.
Of course, the media are all over the Battle of Britain like a rash today.
… without pointing up the irony of the seventy-odd year contrast with the current trembling and cowering away in a corner and giving away freedoms without resistance over no real threat at all.
This vid/audio points out that we need a strategy. That tilting at the the dozens of irksome impositions is just what they want and can use as distractions. The real target should be the Coronavirus Act. En block with no leaders that can be ridiculed and taken down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Ty7ez5IKs&feature=youtu.be
““Rousing renditions of Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia are belted out on the last night of the Proms” “
Actually, this was no real victory, since the overall event was a farce with an anti-socially distanced and shrunken orchestra and no audience.
I didn’t go anywhere near it, since it was such an illustration of the damage done to both amateur and professional performing arts in this country at the behest of the sad spiv government and a cowering, compliant public.
‘Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free‘? In your f.ing dreams.
A little… ironic. And “Britons will never, ever be slaves”?
My thoughts also.
I was expecting a muzzled orchestra and conductor myself. But if masks actually work, then why couldn’t they have an at least partial audience?
I refuse to watch these performances with distanced performers. The only Prom worth watching was the Kanneh-Mason cello & piano duo – of course they are brother and sister.
MSM is paid to keep up the anti and they are getting more bizarre every day, not even a pretense of reality.
I am increasingly of the opinion that the world went through some kind of downward dimensional shift in early 2020 and we are now living in a purgatory which bears no resemblance to the previous reality. Only a handful of us remember the old normal. For everyone else who has totally synchronised with the shift, there is absolutely nothing wrong.
Sounds a bit like the plot of the movie “Yesterday”.
“The truth is stranger than fiction”. Except that what we are living in now is like a surrealist painting. A twisted, warped, corrupted, synthetic version of the former world. A very poor quality copy of the original.
#VictoriaPolice brutally detain a person and kick his head while the man is on the ground.
https://twitter.com/GlbBreakNews/status/1305240587344412673
Shocking and barbaric. When is this going to end?
Victoria, Australia has slipped so far into a totalitarian police state now, it will never end unless those responsible are removed from office and charged with criminal offences
wow , kicking the head. of course MSM wont care,,, victim does not have the “correct” characteristics . Maybe Ashley Banjo and Diversity will do a dance about it
I really feel for our fellow sceptics over there.
Just been on YouGov to answer questions after someone mentioned it on LS. The lockdown, second wave and curfew questions are disturbing in the way they have been answered. Majority think curfews are a good idea and that lockdown rules not strong enough. We need more LS readers responding to these questions. Does anyone know how influential YouGov is?
Too influential, it’s nonsense web polls often end up forming the entire basis for media articles.
If a majority think curfews are a good idea, then so it shall be.
The abyss is bottomless.
The ‘majority’ is likely to be 77th, or their bots. No point making the abyss deeper than it really is. 🙂
this is not a scientific survey. Anyone can go on and answer the questions as many times as they want . Which means that it can be manipulated and no doubt is. 77th brigade or others will be happily answering – it may be even be bots doing it … to show the result they want
This was a good speech, doubt it will stay on YT for long.
Anyone really wish we had some actual good news?
Mo Salah hattrick on the first day of the season ? There’s just no pleasing some folk …
2 penalties … not a proper hat trick
Meh. Three goals = a hat trick. (Did you see his 2nd ? 🙂 ).
I’d like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank all those who didn’t put Mo in their last year’s team of the season. Excellent motivation.
Arsenal top of the table?
Ergo anything is possible. 🙂
Just been looking for some. Not a lot happening, weather forcast say Tuesday might be brighter.
Here’s a glimmer!
Local rag with useless readership in an article about a cop college having 7 cases says –
“Seven people with links to the driving school at the Police Scotland Training College in Tulliallan have now tested positive for the bug”
Bug.
Stop volunteering for tests. No tests, no cases. No more fun for the government.
LBC is turning sceptic-currently listening to Nick Abbott re the joy of six
I thought Nick was on Friday & Saturday nights at 22:00 seems to have been a reshuffle. The new LBC normal.
the presenters switch round quite often. Today has been enlightening,presenter after presenter challenging the narrative using the sort of detail we are used to in this forum
It’s very interesting reading this, which was largely written before this mask nonsense was introduced !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law
surprised to read about the Black Act 1723. Maybe the government will bring this back as a distraction
These people are either schizophrenic or evil sadists.
The poll above – it would be very revealing to get under the hypocracy of so called adherents. Questions such as
How many times do you reuse you mask between high temp washings?
And how many family gatherings have you attended inspite of current lock downs restrictions?
Are you an SNP supporter?
I added that last question since the hypocrisy of those in my area is directly linked to political leaning. Those with biggest voice about how great “we are being looked after” (really!) by the ministers are also those who apparently don’t realise they break every diktat going. Makes me puke.
Quick way to cut through: should we maintain the same measures and restrictions to prevent the old and the vulnerable being exposed to the risk of dying from flu and cold viruses? If not, why not? Most Covidomanes will hesitate at that point…
LBC does appear to have turned.
Listeners are unlikely to be members of this forum so good to see such widespread scepticism.
Sweden being held up as the standard.
At last.
Excellent news. Hopefully other MSM outlets will follow suit, though I’m not holding my breath. (I know TalkRadio have been fairly sceptical but I feel they may be preaching to the already converted.)
Are they sceptic though? Do they really understand how much of a hoodwink this whole thing is and that they have further plans in the pipeline?
– mass vaccination
– mass surveillance
– mass compliance
– corporate rule
Exactly. All of the above will be firmly in place and unstoppable long before enough awaken from the brainwashing.
Individually they may be aware, but would never voice it on air as they would be pulled off air within minutes. Best we can hope for is them chipping away at joe public and making him think for himself.
We need the written stuff this girl is producing, then we can drop it through people’s letter boxes: https://twitter.com/befree200
The posters are great too!
Maajid did a detailed analysis using Anders Tegnell experience in Sweden,Nick Abbott is currently doing the same right now. Quoting figures in the same way Sky Australia were doing last week
France 24 have a great interview with Tegnell on youtube – 13 minutes long.
Was just about to post that Carrie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZh84fOwvWY&feature=youtu.be
hears an article about Tegnell from the FT Friday. Again not behind a paywall
https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371
Breaking….
Telegraph with a U-Turn and beginning to get the message.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/hopes-flicker-britains-second-wave-will-see-lower-death-rate/
and not behind a paywall!
I’m wary of experts who look at cases at the start (mostly people sick enough to be in hospital) and cases now (mostly people not that sick) and think they are the same thing.
That the Telegraph is publishing some articles that are NOT behind a paywall is encouraging..
Sadly I expect they’ll be back to doom prophecies tomorrow, given how well the Torygiraffe blows both ways.
https://twitter.com/MsCheeks/status/1305181720879271936?s=20
More plastic signs zip tied to our environment by council in desperate bid by them to alter our experience of street. Stockton on Tees warning of narrow walkway ahead with the measure of turning head away from others when breathing.
Fuck off isn’t enough. I never was likely to find myself in Stockton on Tees, less likely now.
Melbourne market sees platoon of drooges tool up and fight for totalitarian, oppression death and all things dark and sinister.
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1305105167705145345?s=20
Perhaps one of the images on 2020, a year of images.
What were the shields for? Were they afraid people might pelt them with fruit and veg?
Really crazy the whole thing. Like images in the prequel to the Hunger Games.
I believe that did in fact occur.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/09/13/australia-goes-full-fascist-state-issues-ankle-tracker-for-quarantine-violator/
“This week, Australia took its burgeoning fascist police state to a new level, with officials in Western Australia now issuing electronic ankle bracelets and forced isolation in specially designated hotels to anyone it believes has violated the new raft of controversial new ‘COVID laws.’”
Ivor Cummins’ 8th Sept video is now at 500k views on YouTube, an increase of more than 100k since this time last night!
I would like to think Prof Whitty and colleagues are considering their response.
Facts do not matter to these government advisors, they have a path to follow and they are going down that path no matter what.
It is brilliant, clear, concise and damning. That the guvs haven’t ever come even close to producing information as useful and factful is a dire reflection on marianna spring and her ilk.
Ivor Cumming literally embarrasses governments with his work.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
It’s a truly brilliant video. A bit like the moment when the herd of water buffalo decide they’ve had enough of the annoying predatory pride of lions and heads off to sort them out, trampling them to death. In this case the facts stand in for the lethal hooves.
Excellent easy to understand video.
How long before sites such as this are shutdown because we are not abiding by the message.
The big internet purge is coming (Richie Allen got a heads up from people he knows who work at Google) right about the time the vaccine is due to be deployed.
My guess is it will be accomplished in tandem with nationwide power outages at some point during the forthcoming Darkest Winter.
Scary 🙁
I expect food shortages as well (among many other things). We are dealing with a Satanic force here that will stop at nothing to get its way. If you are starving and without power in sub zero temperatures are you going to give a shit about access to the internet?
Well I’m also in Sweden so it will be cold whatever..
I don’t even discount geoengineering to guarantee a much colder winter than normal here in the UK. Weather modification technology has existed and been used by the military for decades.
If we’re being ultra-pessimistic here, then I expect ‘control arm’ Sweden to be finally brought in line.
I do not follow a formal religion, but a friend bought some crosses on a chain (Christian) my sceptical friends and I now carry them, I carry mine in my purse. I’ve always believed there was a higher force – just didn’t know personally what it was. The more I look into this, I feel that satan, satanic forces is/are a threat.
I am not a Christian, but 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 caught my attention:
“For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, in order that judgement may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.”
How long is he reckoning the internet is going to be down for?
That’s anyone’s guess. With A.I. technology at their disposal I would guess it could be accomplished in a couple of days. He posted this update on 23rd July (not sure on which platform, it was picked up by one of our fellow commenters here):
“Howya friends. Little bit of news. I’ve a couple of mates who work for Google. They both must remain anonymous of course. They drip feed me bits of information from time to time. Around four years ago, one of them told me that the demonetisation of alternative news channels would become standard. He was right as I learned when my original YouTube channel, which had nearly 100,000 subscribers, was deleted for no reason, three years ago.
I heard from him this morning. He told me two things. He said that when the covid vaccine is ready, or shortly before then, Google/YouTube is planning to take down thousands of channels that have traditionally hosted open discussion around vaccine safety. They will do this he said, in tandem with Facebook and Twitter. According to him, discussions between all three have already taken place. He reckons it’ll be the biggest culling to date, of content creators and independent vloggers/commentators.”
I’m scared as hell – the last 10 minutes of this is keeping me going at the moment…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iVEK1USe4 all of this guy’s stuff is worth a watch, but the last 10 minutes…there may be a chance?
This guy is great, he’s been right on the money throughout the whole thing.
I agree. Excellent guy.
Thank you for this, I was unaware of this chap. The video of Gates, the last caption where he looks into the camera actually turned my stomach, primeval reaction ?
Maybe already posted?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fauci-takes-recommends-vitamin-d-and-c-supplements-immunity-boost-2020-9
“Dr. Fauci says he takes vitamin D and C supplements and that they can lessen ‘your susceptibility to infection'”
Of course he does because he’s a hypocrite of the first order. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took HCQ prophylactically as well.
That would be pleasant, specimen analysis of these people. Einstein’s was cut into little cubes like Jelly/Jello and sent off to universities for study. Perhaps geniuses of our time should have the same thing happen.
See another video of this market higher up.. the storm troopers with shields and sticks were tge less protected ones – storm troopers on horses attended too.
This weekend.
“More and more people are starting to wake up to propaganda…”
Just posted on Mail online – article from Dr John Lee. Oh, if only he got the headlines tomorrow morning rather than scaremonger Prof Peter Openshaw.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8728845/Dr-JOHN-LEE-argues-coronavirus-lockdown-cause-long-term-harm-illness-itself.html
Re post tomorrow if this isn’t on Toby’s round up. Plus lord sumption in Sunday times. Probably been flagged on here already but been trying not to spend all day in Sceptic land. Was called a Flat Earther today
The mighty Lord Sumpton doing away with a bbc ‘reporter’.
https://youtu.be/SJPF5j129QQ
I think I’ve discovered a new phobia – “immunophobia”.
Immunophobes hate the idea that 99% of us can see off Covid by ourselves with no medical intervention. They don’t want us to achieve mass immunity. They want to declare “war” on the virus, indeed all viruses, heedless of how humans and viruses havd evolved together.
Immunophobes gaslight people who trust their bodies claiming they irrationally oppose medicine. Immunophobes indulge in a lot of hate speech against the human value community calling us anti-Vaxers, granny killers, selfish, ignorant and so on. If any of their own are criticised, they claim they are being trolled. Immunophobes pose as a persecuted minority speaking truth to power. The reality is they are supported by the Chinese government, the EU, the UN, World Bank, IMF, WHO, all political parties in the UK and nearly all billionaires.
It’s amazing how a lot of people feel the need to ‘take something’ as soon as a bout of illness or feeling unwell comes along. I like to suffer and take nothing, and have been doing so for years. I feel truly connected to my immune system through the use of powerful mental exercises and I never had a bit of worry over contracting this particular cold…never stopped chewing my nails either!
Loads of vitamins in nails …
I like to think that I know my body better than anyone else, whether I’m correct in that or not. That’s one of my reasons for hating face masks – I know they would do me harm (though the more fundamental reason is about freedom of choice).
Having sat through another FIFA / Sky Sports football match today I am left wondering how the major clubs are not screaming their lungs out at the lack of fans. It’s got to exceed £1m per match in lost revenue. Are the Government paying them compensation for shutting down their stadiums to fans ???
Excellent PSG v Marseille game on earlier: some supporters allowed there, amazing considering that Paris is a massive hotbed of la bedwettery.
Even funnier were the seven (?) sendings-off at the end. 🙂
Am I alone in looking at this article and thinking that these people are our last hope?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8728477/Bars-beaches-parks-packed-revellers-enjoy-one-day-sun-new-Rule-six.html
They don’t give a f*ck about ‘social distancing’, and I, for one, salute them.
Like the proles in 1984?
The proles are always right.
With you in supporting people celebrating life by living it as they please and not harming others. As it always was.
Heroines – love them.
Indeed, some still believe in human spirit.
They will all be dead by this time next year if the Covid Cult goes all the way.
These wonderful people are our only hope!
This is like a scene in Spartacus (the TV series) where the romans have the slaves surrounded in an epic final standoff.
It’s a video of Australian police surrounding a market full of protesters chanting for freedom.
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1305183875828768768
Cannot write what I want to about this.
Support to every one inside and out who were cheering for freedom. See the support for tge market beyond the police line.
Each one of those police are not welcome in my life. Words are enough to express what those police are and how far from humanity they have fallen.
It’s a great video because it suggests that the majority of ordinary people in a market (of all places) are against the totalitarian lockdown. How I would love to believe that that were true…
To the down-voter, I’m saying that I support the people chanting “Freedom!”. I just hope that it’s the majority of people there – and by extension the whole of Australia. Or maybe that’s what you don’t like…
I support all demonstrators against covid-induced tyranny. Doesn’t matter to me whether they’re called far right, far left, crazy conspiracy theorists or whatever, they’re doing the right thing.
It looks like PM Boris Johnson is all in now. No more excuses for him. He’s beyond hope.
How’s our PM doing these days Richard? I haven’t tuned into Canadian MSM in months but I imagine it’s a s**tshow but with a lighter touch.
Check Lisa of Toronto for the Ontario news. Protestors were out in force in Montreal yesterday. Finally! The word they shouted the most was Liberté!
PM Trudeau professes to be a Liberal but I don’t believe him. I don’t like him or his finance minister. I think that he’s a Fascist in Liberal clothing. Harper was very hard assed in his authoritarian style, Trudeau’s style is cheerful and dogooding, but is authoritarian just the same. I think that he watched too much Sesame Street when he was a child. This summer he took a knee for Black Lives Matter. In doing so, he signalled allegiance to what has been called a Marxist political movement that wants to rewrite human history. That was an act of treason and an unpatriotic gesture. He should have been soundly denounced and requested to resign as Prime Minister months ago. He embraces to the New World Order group. I don’t.
I still think that someone has some dirt on PM Johnson’s past life. Did we really expect him to go this far? Well he has now and there’s no turning back.
I know people who have had their children’s lives threatened over business. Two different incidences.
So I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if one, or all, of the cabinet have had credible threats against their children or loved ones.
Having “dirt” on someone is not reliable. Not everyone has a secret but everyone has family they care about. They might even “do the right thing” and confess or maybe top themselves but threatening loved ones is a reliable way to influence people.
People kill each other for ten pounds. What would some people do when trillions are on the table?
https://youtu.be/EjJeQSfFhj8
A whip speaks to the bbc
Yep, hard to see Johnson being ‘persuadable’ via a mere affair.
Okay, let’s call it blackmail. Or extortion. Or domestic terrorism without bombs.
There is a rumour in the Twittersphere that Johnson has been having an affair with a Russian violinist and the media have been given a D-Notice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSMA-Notice
In the United Kingdom, a DSMA-Notice (Defence and Security Media Advisory Notice) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security. DSMA-Notices were formerly called a DA-Notice (Defence Advisory Notice), and before that called a Defence Notice (D-Notice) until 1993.
I like it. Anything to do with this?
https://order-order.com/2020/02/26/carrie-gave-boris-black-eye-rumour/
(note the comment after the post)
Is anyone aware of a petition calling for a televised debate on the justification and efficacy of government restrictions ? I’ve seen calls for it do wondered if anyone had started a petition on the gov website?
Just saw this on my Twitter feed. Can’t verify the source but would be good if we could. Not one frontline police officer has died from COVID19 according to this:
https://twitter.com/dalcon02/status/1304823744599396352
PS the response is for Met Police only
I believe they’re immune. This is just based on the fact that I’ve seen loads of them ignoring distancing and mask diktats while telling other people to follow them, which seems miraculous given it’s such a deadly virus.
Interesting that Israel also turns out to have a pathetic government:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54134869
The country’s second lockdown begins on Friday and lasts at least three weeks.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the measures would “exact a heavy price on us all”, but the country faced a surge with 4,000 new daily infections.
I thought they were made of sterner stuff.
Edit: not only that, but are we, here on this web site, the only people who see “4000 infections” and immediately think “PCR tests; false positives; viral fragments; how many tests are they doing? etc. etc. Surely these people cannot be that STUPID!!!!”
I thought Netanyahu was in jail.
I have heard nothin SARS CoV 2 related from Palestine. Israel seem to be making a meal out of it.
Netanyahu is made of very stern stuff.
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