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Social Scientists Can’t Predict Better Than Laymen, Study Finds

by Noah Carl
31 July 2022 3:31 PM

The pandemic has shone a spotlight on public health ‘experts’.

Many initially opposed lockdown, before abruptly changing their view when doing so became politically convenient. They said that masks don’t work, only to turn around and back mandates. And after assuring us the vaccines would stop transmission, they were met with overwhelming data to the contrary.

In October of last year, I wrote about two studies in which ‘experts’ and laymen were asked to forecast weekly Covid numbers. ‘Experts’ performed somewhat better in the first study, but actually performed worse in the second. A possible explanation for the divergent results is that laymen in the second study were self-selected and hence better-informed about the subject matter.

These findings don’t inspire confidence in the ‘experts’ who’ve guided us through the pandemic. After all, the most basic task of science is to predict things, so if scientists can’t predict better than laymen, that suggests their theories are wrong. And if their theories are wrong, we probably shouldn’t listen to them – especially if they’re telling us to shut down the economy.

That’s public health scientists. Are social scientists any better? According to a new study: no, they’re not. (The study is still a pre-print, so hasn’t been peer reviewed.)

Cendri Hutcherson and colleagues asked both ‘experts’ and laymen to predict the size and direction of social change in the U.S. between April and October of 2020. There were ten different domains: prejudice, individualism, traditionalism, generalized trust, political polarisation, life satisfaction, depression, delay of gratification, birth rate, and attitudes to climate change.

Then in October of 2020, participants were asked to give retrospective estimates of the size and direction of social change over the preceding six months. Prospective and retrospective estimates were compared to objective indicators of social change, based on large representative surveys.

The researchers found that ‘experts’ and laymen were equally inaccurate, as shown in the image below.

Although the ‘experts’ did better in some domains, the laymen did better in others – so there was no overall advantage for the former group. Remarkably, this was true even when it came to retrospective estimates. (You might have assumed the ‘experts’ would at least do better here, since they might be familiar with the data.)

Interestingly, the researchers found in both groups that participants who expressed greater confidence in their estimates were less, not more, accurate. So beware of those who tell you something will or will not happen; the best forecasters are aware of the inherent uncertainty in human judgement.  

It’s not just public health scientists who advise governments and other large institutions; its social scientists too. Hutcherson and colleagues’ findings should make us wary that such people have any more insight than the rest of us.

Tags: ExpertsLockdownSocial science

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

Sad.

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Johnny B Ad
Johnny B Ad
3 years ago

When the Daily Telegraph publishes anonymously produced info-garbage from the same sources as the Washington Post (owned by that covid pandemic beneficiary, Jeff Bezos), the New York Times (America’s answer to the Grauniad), and… the Grauniad.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

DT nicely exemplifying the problems that have contributed to the replacement of legacy media by less systematically establishment-biased sources such as Rogan.

Shame Rogan felt the need to apologise. Showing weakness is rarely a good thing in these situations, but he knows his business better than I do and perhaps he feels he is in a strong enough position not to need to worry about an appearance of weakness.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Having watched the original video, fwiw I would say that I don’t like his idea that he should have “balancing” “experts” pushing the Official Truth view. The whole point is that those Official Truth perspectives are everywhere in the mainstream media and social media -nobody can avoid them. And the idea that his viewers aren’t competent to form their own opinions is exactly the contempt that the censorship-pushing mainstream cancel culture left shows for people in general.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I do agree with his attitude to his “haters”. That’s the thick skin combined with humility that imo is required for the most useful public discussion.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Joe Rogan video

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Joe had the CNN Doctor Sanjay Gupta on.
Gupta is a 100% hardcore covidian vaccine pusher.
Joe destroyed him just by asking simple straightforward questions and citing easily obtainable facts.
Without censorship the covid vax narrative collapses quickly.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Yep, I saw it. And I don’t have a problem with that kind of stuff. It’s the idea of a supposed necessity of getting “respectable” stuff in to “balance” that “wacky conspiracy theory misinformation” that I have a problem with.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I get your point.
I hope Joe gets some more narrative pushing ‘experts’ on and shreds them with simple, reasonable, honest questions + some mainstream facts that they don’t like to talk about.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I’m going to suggest Eric Topol and that Feigl Ding person.

Id love to see Walensky on there, but she’d probably pass out in panic

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes. It is the official lies and disinformation, and the parroting of by the the uncritical masses …. which needs to be ‘balanced’.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  X - In Search of Space

Exactly.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’m all for it, Rogan would not be a carbon copy of the scripted softball questions in MSM interviews, I’d be surprised if they can find a narrative pusher willing to go on in the first place!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

By all means invite them on, if they’ll come. Just don’t describe it as “balance”.

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allanplaskett
allanplaskett
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

‘Without censorship the covid vax narrative collapses quickly.’
Brilliantly put. Perfect!

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think his problem is going to be finding lockdown cultists of any status who are willing to go on the show, with them all having seen how he ripped Sanjay Gupta a new one. I can’t see Rogan being interested in doing the James O’Brien thing of selecting some vulnerable punter that doesn’t know what he’s talking about as a representative of the opposing viewpoint.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

When have real world jab risks ever been mentioned on legacy media “news” providers?

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Bang on.

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Hoppy Uniatz
Hoppy Uniatz
3 years ago

“Say it ain’t so, Joe.”

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Gates calling in his ‘investment’ in the Telegraph?

Gates gives £314 million to buy opinion in world media.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago

Oh, the shame of it! Fancy inviting highly credentialled and experienced guests who don’t hold the latest unscientific narrative! Fancy not censoring scientific opinion!

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

Neil Young “The Needle and the Damage Done”.

Joni Mitchell “Both Sides Now”.

Oh the irony.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

What’s with the ‘sleeve tattoos’ – looks like some gangster in a Columbian prison.
Anyone who mutilates their body in this way is someone not to be taken seriously.
Next time I see the words ‘Joe Rogan’ I shall think “Oh, that tattooed twat.”

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Fashion victim. Not unusual in his social group.

People in the conflicted, confused post-revolutionary cultures of the modern US sphere display their rebellious, individualist, edgy natures by desperately following whatever the cool kids are doing.

Human nature.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Careful, that sounds like abuse aimed at the the sleeve tattoo community, you’ll get yourself banned.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I’d pay good money to watch you say that to his face.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Rogan would back down… he has form now.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

That’s… actually a fair point.

Kneel once before a mob and you’ll never get up again.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Dr. Gregory House : Nonconformity. Right. I can’t remember the last time saw a twenty-something kid with a tattoo of an Asian letter on his wrist. You are one wicked free thinker! You want to be a rebel? Stop being cool. Wear a pocket protector like he does, and get a haircut like the Asian kids that don’t leave the library for 24 hour stretches. They’re the ones who don’t care what you think.
[pauses] 
Dr. Gregory House : Sayonara!

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Some self reflection may be in order here. Consider your dislike for skin art produces such a negative emotional response, that it shuts down your ability to critically assess information presented by someone who likes skin art, purely on that choice, rather than anything they may have to say.

Such emotional programming is usually a parental influence, I had the same affliction, I also dislike skin art generally, but when my wife deceided to get a tattoo, I used mindfulness techniques to find the source, and overcome it.

Learning to recognise emotional triggers is a powerful skill for self improvement.

It also helps break psychological programming from the likes of government/globalists.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

When somebody gets their arms tattooed all over – I’m thinking “There’s another one that wants to be David Beckham – another sheep just following the crowd.”

Now, what’s this about sheep wearing face masks because everyone else is?

I’m probably just ‘old-fashioned’. Alliances in times of crises make strange bedfellows, I suppose.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Forget Rogan. I don’t like his blasphemies either. But it is not about Rogan: this is about 11 million followers being exposed to counter-narrative evidence from Malone and McCullough. The bullies pushing the Covid and vaccine narrative simply cannot stand their bullying lies being exposed, because it weakens them, and they lose control.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

In a nutshell!

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

You should listen to his interview with Dr Robert Malone.
Malone pioneered mRNA technology and is making it clear that he thinks these covid vaccines are dangerous.

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Mayo
Mayo
3 years ago

This might be a good thing.

If Rogan encourages open discussion between scientists and experts on both sides then the fanatics will be exposed – if they are prepared to accept the challenge of a debate.

Steve Kirsch has been offering $1 million dollars to anyone from the CDC, FDA, … wherever who will have a public debate with him on vaccine injuries. So far – no takers.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Perhaps he could invite either Neil Young or Joni Mitchell to debate Dr. Robert Malone or Dr. Peter McCullough. Or maybe Prince Harry could take on Mike Yeadon?

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

There’ll be no takers for that. Young, Mitchell, Ginger and Whinger and the rest of the Cringers are too afraid to be exposed as airheads. They know that they cannot defend their views when properly scrutinized.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago

Any form of backing down to the mob is a very bad idea.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Comment of the day… week… year.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

I prefer to think of them as a pack. Hyenas, jackals or rats, it all fits.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

For a more accurate story on what Rogan really said in this video, see this.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thank-you-haters-joe-rogan-breaks-silence-spotify-controversy-rejects-disinformation

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Excellent balancing perspective thanks.

I say “balancing” because zero hedge obviously have their own position as everyone does. But I’m not remotely saying the truth was anything like mid-way between the two. The Zero Hedge piece includes a link to the original video and it appears their report is pretty honest and accurate.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

What matters is what goes in the MSM which is what most people pay attention to.

They need him to say something kind of in the ball park of an apology so that they can twist it into a submissive apology without being sued. But once he gives and inch they’ll turn it into whatever they want.

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Username1
Username1
3 years ago

Regarding the urgent need for young people to take the vax:

UK FOIA request

The request was:

​Please supply deaths caused solely by covid 19, where covid is the only cause of death listed on the death certificate, broken down by age group and gender between feb 2020 up to and including dec 2021.

Results for COVID deaths ages 0-24?

Eight (8) in nearly 2 years.

Who knows if these people who weren’t ill with any other disease may nevertheless have been “unhealthy” e.g. very overweight?

Have the injections had any negative impact on this age group?
(Yes)

Who is it that’s spreading misinformation again?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

Having shown weakness the pack of curs will attack him all the harder. This was a very poorly judged reaction.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Being magnanimous crushes the left, they have only one view and that’s all that matters

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Star
Star
3 years ago

What is Spotify?

Wikipoop says it’s “a Swedish audio streaming and media services provider”.

So it’s basically an audio and video rental company that turns a microwave tracker into a computer terminal and persuades young people to pay for access to what they could easily get for free, and store forever on their own equipment, if they had the sense. Is that it?

And that bloke with the tattoos – is he famous?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Yes, he is famous.
More people listen to his interviews than people listen to all the American MSM news progrmmes in the USA combined.
That is why they need to shut him up, his reach is massive and he has committed numerous speech crimes including asking questions about the sense of lockdown and about the wisdom of injecting everyone with a rushed vaccine for a disease that isn’t a threat to 99% of the population.

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

There was a good comment on Reddit Lockdownsceptics yesterday, which I cannot recall properly and am too lazy to find, it went like this:
Under 30 – who is Neil Young?
30-60 who is Joe Rogan?
60 and older – what is Spotify?

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

“And that bloke with the tattoos – is he famous?”

I’ve seen his name many times on here but have only just looked him up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

Make of it what you will.

I’ll agree with him here: “Rogan has stated “Biden, to me, is like having a flashlight with a dying battery and going for a long hike in the woods, it is not going to work out. It’s not going to make it.””

Seems to me to be ‘generally OK’ with his views.

rogan.jpg
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Old Bill
Old Bill
3 years ago

I have never listened to or read anything he has said – looks like I accidentally made the right choice – turncoat.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

About as funny as Miranda Hart.

“Joe Rogan Live 2006 Stand-up”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUl4EenGSO8

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Preventing open discussion about these new gene therapy vaccines and the traditional types of vaccines is vital.
Over recent years more and more people have been listening to those that are critical/sceptical of vaccinology and coming to the conclusion that the critics/sceptics are correct.
If the average person knew how shoddy vaccine safety testing is in general, how many known toxins are found in a great many vaccines and how many injuries and deaths are caused by vaccines people wouldn’t go anywhere near them.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I’m coming to this point of view. I think some vaccines *might* be good & worthwhile, but the shoddy studies undertaken make it very difficult to tell.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
3 years ago

What do these sad sacks think is “Covid misinformation”? Anything they choose not to believe? Anything that goes against the truth they chose? One thing has been blindingly clear over the last two years: some people choose their truth like they choose a pair of trainers or a bling bracelet. It doesn’t have to be true, it has to be shiny, acceptable to them and plausible in a non-factual way.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Exellent.

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zebedee
zebedee
3 years ago

“Your standards as a legacy news provider are slipping”
Slipped a long time ago hence why I didn’t renew my subscription in January. Still waiting for a response from the editor as to why when I corrected some misinformation in an article (reproduced press release by Zoe) my response was marked as misinformation.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

He has nothing to apologise for.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

But in apologising, he effectively ‘confirms’ his ‘guilt’, and the accusers feel even more ‘right’.

Why, oh why, is it that we must constantly be made to be sorry for nothing?

Last edited 3 years ago by X - In Search of Space
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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

The media just do as they are told. The repeated phrases smack of a coordinated messaging campaign – and we know there is exactly that. The “Trusted news Initiative” decides what the media should say and how they should say it. Those who our outside the cabal naturally hate anyone who says differently.

I’ll be accused of spreading conspiracy theories, I do not care, these are facts. Once you see the patterns you cannot unsee them. Note, for example, three days ago the media stopped naming Robert Malone as the offending guest, they now say it was an individual who was banned by Twitter for disinformation. The Telegraph, above, follows the same line with this wheedling smears by association written in such a way they probably think they cannot be sued. But WHO is pulling all these strings?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

The Craven Media are being re-grouped by their minders for a counter offensive against the “Vaccine Horror Truth” now spilling out all over the world.

Easy solution – just don’t, read look or listen and they die. All it requires is just a little will-power.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

They also didn’t mention (by name) ivermectin, only ‘an anti-parasitic drug’. The US NIH meanwhile are stating that ivermectin has no anti-viral properties. What utter lies! The Journal of Antibiotics in a paper entitled Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen states
Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin.

An I would add, in silico studies (using powerful modelling of drugs now used to discover and refine suitable candidate drugs against diseases). The same journal carries another paper: The mechanisms of action of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2—an extensive review, which looks at the anti-viral mechanisms of ivermectin, including that “Ivermectin binds to the viral Rdrp and disrupts it. The highly efficient binding of ivermectin to nsp14 confirms its role in inhibiting viral replication and assembly.”

Nah, that’s all just misinformation…it’s nothing more than a horse de-wormer according to the MSM and their acolytes.

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PaulMac66
PaulMac66
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Brilliant find. Although I had to look up the illness ‘Newcastle’ as I’ve never heard of it.

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

Never apologise to these people Joe, you owe them nothing. Now that you have, they smell blood in the water and they will be relentless. You shouldn’t have done it and most certainly shouldn’t have blown smoke up the arse of Neil Young & Joni Mitchell at the end of your Instagram video.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Now that you have, they smell blood in the water and they will be relentless.

Exactly. To think that pricking your finger will keep the sharks at bay is …. somewhat optimistic?

Last edited 3 years ago by X - In Search of Space
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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

Slightly off topic…

Boris Johnson gets report about lockdown-breaking parties

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/boris-johnson-gets-report-about-lockdown-breaking-parties-01643632945?mod=bnbh

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

So …has he finally found out why he went to the party(ies) he didn’t know were parties and ate the cake he didn’t know was a cake while drinking the booze that wasn’t there in the fridge he didn’t know was bought by him for the very purpose by people he didn’t know, who worked for him!

All this taking place during the Lockdowns he didn’t know about which imposed rules on people socialising he hadn’t heard of, even though he approved them all.

“Off with his head! ” ( said the Queen of Hearts).

She has a point!

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Give the guy a break – he’s had a lot on his plate lately.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  X - In Search of Space

Cake.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

And we have a winner folks.

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beornwulf
beornwulf
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

And probably more of his favourite cheese. That’s why he’s still a Bunter.

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago

Maybe it’s me but I quite like this. Not the article of course which is the usual standard of journalism ie none we have all had to suffer recently

But the idea of the JRE podcast offering air time to the other side of the argument is fabulous as it hasn’t been done before as those who aren’t fully onboard with the nonsense have been deplatformed

Get both sides on at the same time and let the fireworks commence. Have a proper 3 hour debate and watch the pro Covid bunch crumble when every point they make is torn apart point by point by someone who knows what they are talking about

I’d say it would rival Rohan’s beloved MMA but I think it would be like watching Mike Tyson vs Barry McGuigan.

id pay to watch it though and think of the headlines

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

Mike Tyson v Barry Davies surely?

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Kymtr17
Kymtr17
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Barry “Beijing” Gardiner, surely?

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

He should just publicly invite the other side -we all know who they are – and when they decline (run scared) then publicly announce they have declined his invitation.

He can’t force people into the show and people would wonder why the most popular podcast in the world was turned down by the ‘experts’….

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

He should invite them, ridicule them and crush them to pulp!

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

JRE has always done this. But the pro-vaxxers aren’t going to come on and debate with Malone of the like. They know full well the science is not with them.

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beancounter
beancounter
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

Whinge and Ginge are already on the Spotify payroll; I am sure they would be happy to debate misinformation with Mike Yeadon and Peter McCullough (leave Robert Malone to deal with the old drug taking folk/rocker in a separate episode).

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AloysiusCocksnaffle
AloysiusCocksnaffle
3 years ago

I’d love him to have some of the ‘other side’ on – c’mon Fauci, Whitty, Collins, et al. Rogan would make them squirm and his readiness to say that he’ll have others on is, I think, based on his confidence that they, too, by being shown up for the frauds / liars they are, would advance the case of the sceptics.

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Teddy Edward
Teddy Edward
3 years ago

With a $100 million investment in Joe the Toe no way will he have free speech and free association it’s scripted and controlled.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Teddy Edward

In which case he wouldn’t have been allowed to have McCulloch and Malone on in the first place.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago

Arghhhhh! Why apologise?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  X - In Search of Space

The Soros-Gates-Schwab Blob has reached out and fingered him!

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Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
3 years ago

I’ve not listened to his latest yet, but if he did apologize I’m disappointed… It’s clear too anybody with a functioning brain cell, that ALL media, legacy or new, is fundamentally bought and paid for by bad actors with nefarious intentions. The platforms that can be used by REAL scientists to posit an alternative narrative have been limited to say the least in the last two year’s. Any way, we can a least thank Rogan for bringing to the attention of potentially billions of people, the views of McCullough and Malone, two world renowned scientists who should be given a global platform as a matter of cause!

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago
Reply to  Bolloxed Britannia

and some of them are, literally, actors. In a way it’s funny

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

The hypocrisy of brand covidians demanding airtime because their views are not being heard enough!

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

Rogan should just invite the likes of Fauci or Ferguson or Whitty to debate with Malone or McCullough or Kory and then empty chair them when they don’t show up (which they won’t).

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RW
RW
3 years ago

A critical remark: It’s perfectly ok to condemn Young (and presumably, Mitchell as well) for the view that (precautionary) beneficial censorship (by people of his/ her own age, presumably) is called for to prevent young people from being misled into forming wrong opinions. But making snide remarks about their age (wrinklies) is equally uncalled for.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

This is part of the war.

They took a hit on one of ours. And to be fair, he didn’t take the hit well.

In fact his apology makes it the hit. The authoritarians can hold his comments up as a scalp.

To their own, it reassures them that the authority still rules.

To us, it serves to intimidate. The message: ‘Look at what we did to your precious podcast host. The most powerful independent media personality. We can take anyone we want down.’

It’s a war and it goes on. Hopefully Rogan can pick himself up and continue being independent. Perhaps he’s irredeemably ‘wounded’. We shall see.

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Darryl
Darryl
3 years ago

Down on his knees for the usual suspects. Can you imagine a covid authoritarian making the same concession? all a scam to promote conformity and self censorship. What a complete fraud.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago

Just listened to the Joe Rogan video talking about this, but haven’t read the telegraph article.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZYQ_nDJi6G/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading

Thought he spoke very well and with a lot of humility.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Yep.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago

Rogan has sold out, as there nothing to apologise for.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago

I wonder how many subscribers he will lose as a result of that decision.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

I’m thinking of cancelling my subscription to Spotify. Not because of Joe Rogan but because of their weak, money is everything stance. I don’t care if they have pro vax, pro lockdown, pro fear brigade shows. I do care that they are trying to appease fascists that want to stop free speech & opinion of experts.

I am disappointed if Rogan is apologetic though.

Last edited 3 years ago by Think Harder
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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Bad move. Maybe he’s trying to look conciliatory, but it looks like weakness.

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4PureBlood
4PureBlood
3 years ago

Joe Rogan said his doctor, Pierre Kory, is part of a group that has used Ivermectin to quietly treat 200 Members of U.S. Congress for COVID19. Dr Simone Gold, from America’s Frontline Doctors, told that she has prescribed treatments for Congress. She still believes in her oath, but she is vocal saying she has been contacted by many in DC. Can you believe these demons? Healing for them are OK but not for us.

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godders
godders
3 years ago

Follow the money. . .

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

How do you balance out the evidence of increased death and illness from the jabs without being a lying, scumbag shill?

Last edited 3 years ago by mishmash
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godders
godders
3 years ago

It’s not called the alternative media for nothing. We can get the official line on everything from the mainstream propagandists. We look to independent news sources to restore the balance – which in the case of COVID is mission impossible even with a hundred Joe Rogan shows, so biased and comprehensive is the corporate-controlled legacy media’s global coverage.
Alternative media proprietors, and their dissident ‘stars’ such as said Joe, need to stand together against censorship – not buckle and wave the white flag at the first whiff of shot and shell.
Once the freedom to broadcast the truth has been surrendered, the slide into totalitarianism will be unstoppable.

Last edited 3 years ago by godders
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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

The only mistake Joe made was to apologise! He has been open-minded on most subjects from the start, including “vaccination”. Ironic that old hippies have had a hissy fit and demanded censorship, shutdowns and bans. Keep on truckin’, Joe. And truck Fudeau!

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4PureBlood
4PureBlood
3 years ago

Joe Rogan said his doctor, Pierre Kory, is part of a group that has used Ivermectin to quietly treat 200 Members of U.S. Congress for COVID19. Dr Simone Gold, from America’s Frontline Doctors, told that she has prescribed treatments for Congress. She still believes in her oath, but she is vocal saying she has been contacted by many in DC. Can you believe these demons? Healing for them are OK but not for us. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

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dopamineboy
dopamineboy
3 years ago

I suspect that the attack on Rogan, the infamous letter and the old folks like Young, Mitchel and Nash falling for it, has been orchestrated behind the scenes by the pharmaceutical industry. The lead letter author worked for pharma PR. Among the others, Dr Eric Burnett has pushed the Pfizer vaccine on Twitter, Prof. Glen Pyle has dismissed vaccine caused myocarditis concerns, and Harvard’s Prof John Brownstein has been all over the media pushing the Pfizer vaccine.

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