The truth is I’m a bit racked off with both Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter and Tim Harford. I used to go out of my way to hear them on radio; they’re both gifted communicators. Indeed, anyone who can make a documentary about barbed wire a riveting listen – and Tim Harford does just that in his series “50 things that made the modern economy” – deserves all the accolades he gets. However, I wish they’d tidy up a bit behind themselves. I refer, of course, to the furore generated last September by Robert Peston’s tweet and President Bolsanaro’s subsequent use of the information to query whether the truth was that the unvaccinated were less likely to test positive for Covid than the vaccinated.
Why bring it up again now, eight months later? There are several reasons.
Firstly, though in general I’ve stopped listening to or watching any BBC output, I did hear a couple of minutes of the latest BBC Radio 4 More or Less episode where Tim Harford was dragging some unfortunate WHO statistician over the coals for having the temerity to suggest that Germany had done less well than the U.K. in the Covid league of death. It’s not as if he hasn’t got a few things wrong over the past few months himself. People in glass houses, and all that.
Secondly, in a good natured discussion with a doctor friend of mine about the efficacy of vaccines (yes, people can disagree without irrevocably falling out) I mentioned that the last data provided by the UKHSA showing the prevalence of Covid infections in the unvaccinated in comparison to the vaccinated showed that the vaccinated in the 40-49 year-old cohort were more than four times more likely to test positive for Covid than the unvaccinated. She laughed and said she knew all about this. She told me that Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, no less, Chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication in the Centre for Mathematical Sciences at Cambridge, had done a thorough demolition of this canard last year. Certainly, to her my argument had been shot down in flames. That annoyed me because we now know Spiegelhalter’s confidence in the efficacy of vaccines against transmission was wrong, yet he’s done nothing to clarify this – a bit remiss for someone whose very job description includes the words ‘risk’ and ‘communication’.
Thirdly, I think the fact checkers need fact checking. Full Fact had done a piece on this which with hindsight we can see was hopelessly premature and yet they too have failed to correct their now apparent error.
Fourthly, I contacted both Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter and the More or Less programme asking whether they would revisit this issue, and while I had a very polite response from the Professor declining the invitation I’ve still heard nothing from More or Less so I thought I’d better set the record straight for them.
Finally, and most importantly, this issue highlights all too well the disservice that the UKHSA is doing us all by stopping the publication of real world data and only publishing weighted data in its (no longer weekly) vaccine surveillance reports. This episode illustrates the deficiencies of weighting and shows how data can be manipulated when they’re obfuscated. Without the raw data, Spiegelhalter and Harford couldn’t have mounted their critiques and I couldn’t have mounted this riposte. Raw data serve all sides.
Let’s go back to the beginning and the furore caused by Robert Peston’s initial tweet that set this particular hare running. This was followed by an attempted takedown by Leo Benedictus of Full Fact after President Bolsanaro of Brazil quoted the same numbers and an article in the Guardian by Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters published on September 19th 2021. In addition, the BBC Radio 4 programme on More or Less covered the story on Sept 15th 2021, featuring a discussion between presenter Tim Harford and mathematician James Ward which concluded that the vaccines were very effective and that there was nothing to see here. The show also informed us that ITV had deleted the Peston tweet.
In their Guardian piece, Spiegelhalter and Masters wrote:
The surprise came from the reported case rate per 100,000 population being higher for fully vaccinated people (1,116) aged 40 to 49 than for unvaccinated (880), which appears to question the effectiveness of the vaccines. But the problem is that we don’t know how many people have not been vaccinated, because we don’t know how many people live in England.
I’ve reproduced below the table from the UKHSA week 36 vaccine surveillance report, which was also shown in Peston’s original tweet. You can see the numbers quoted by Spiegelhalter for the infection rate by vaccine status per 100,000 in the last two columns circled in orange and blue and the raw number of infections by vaccine status in columns two and four. Of course, the number of infections in the vaccinated 40-49 year-olds is the total less the infections in the unvaccinated, 97,881 – 15,106 = 82,775.
The good Professor went on to explain:
PHE uses National Immunisation Management System (NIMS) estimates of 8.1 million adults aged 40 to 49 in England. These numbers depend on GP records and tend to overcount. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) also produces population estimates, based on the 2011 census, migration and death registrations and estimates 7.1 million adults in that age group, a million fewer than NIMS.
Up to September 5th, NHS England reported 6.4 million people in that age group had received a COVID-19 vaccine dose. So the ONS population estimate leaves about 700,000 unvaccinated people aged 40 to 49, while using NIMS means 1.7 million. This is a massive difference.
Let’s see what that massive difference does to the infection rate per 100,000 using the two different population estimates:
The infection rate in the vaccinated doesn’t change whether the NIMS or ONS data are used; it stays at 1,116 per 100,000. All the error is concentrated in the unvaccinated. From the figures above we can see that using NIMS data the infection rate goes from the reported 880 per 100,000 to 2,137 per 100,000, almost 2.5 times what was reported and almost two times the rate of the vaccinated. Simply put, the same number of infections are spread among a smaller group of people if we use the ONS population estimate.
Well, let’s now roll forward 29 weeks to the UKHSA vaccine surveillance report of week 13 2022 to see how these criticisms have played out over time. This was a special week because it was the last time that the UKHSA reported raw data.
Let’s just remind ourselves that this table shows infections by vaccine status for the prior four weeks. You can see circled in blue that 15,437 of the infections in the 40-49 age cohort were amongst the unvaccinated, up 331 (2%) from the 15,106 amongst the unvaccinated back in September 2021. Whereas amongst the vaccinated there had been 238,155 infections (253,592 – 15,437). That’s 155,380 (187%) higher than in September 2021 (238,155 – 82,775) and, let’s not forget, in the meantime many of this age group had had a third vaccine dose. Isn’t that amazing, the rate of increase in infections was about 90 times greater in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.
Just to nail the point, let’s also look at the change in infection rates per 100,000. The table below shows the infection rate in the triple vaccinated compared to the not-vaccinated from the week 13 2022 UKHSA vaccine surveillance report.
The triple vaccinated are apparently 4.1 times more likely to test positive than the unvaccinated among the 40-49 year-old cohort (3,957 ÷ 955 = 4.1). Aha! Spiegelhalter, Harford and Full Fact might cry, but again you haven’t corrected for the NIMS/ONS issue. Okay, let’s do that. As you can see below, even if we use the ONS population data, the triple vaccinated were 1.7 times (3,958 ÷ 2,320) more likely to test positive for Covid than the unvaccinated.
In the 29 weeks since the week 36 report, the vaccination rate amongst the 40-49 year-olds is much the same yet the incidence of infection in the triple-vaccinated has increased markedly.
As I mentioned, the UKHSA no longer publishes any raw data so it’s increasingly hard to verify claims, but perhaps it is just worth testing the view expressed by the More or Less team in the September 15th episode, that despite the vaccines not providing complete protection against infection they do still prove very efficacious against death. Well let’s have a look.
Table 7 is reproduced from the week 13 2022 UKHSA vaccine surveillance report. It shows the number of deaths by vaccine status by age cohort. These are raw figures, not deaths per 100,000. As you can see, among those aged over 40, 300 of the 4,005 deaths were of unvaccinated people, that’s 7.5%. Surely, if the vaccines were efficacious you’d expect the unvaccinated death rate to be higher than that of the vaccinated.
Below, I’ve shown the percentage of deaths against the percentage of those unvaccinated using both NIMS and ONS population data.
You can look at the individual age cohorts if you care to but I’ll just comment on the total. At best, using Spiegelhalter and More or Less’s preferred ONS population (which is actually well-known for under-counting the population, even, as the UKHSA itself has pointed out, resulting in some age cohorts having greater than 100% vaccination coverage), 6% of the deaths in the over-40s cohort are not vaccinated yet they only account for 7% of the deaths, hardly a ringing endorsement for vaccination.
If we use the NIMS population data (which the UKHSA calls the “gold standard” for this purpose), 12% of them are unvaccinated, yet only 7% of deaths were of the unvaccinated. Is this why UKHSA stopped reporting the raw data, because they showed that, at best the vaccines appeared to make no difference in the proportion of deaths and at worst appear to show that the unvaccinated are far less likely to die?
Can we expect More or Less to have another look at the data or Professor Spiegelhalter to write another article for the Guardian? No, I don’t think so either. But even they would have to admit that it’s all a bit rum. Still, perhaps Robert Peston or President Bolsanaro will retweet this article.
This article has been updated to correct two calculation errors. The overall argument is unaffected.
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Excellent article, Nick. Like you I had a lot of time for Prof Spiegelhalter and Tim Harford. Got their books, listened to their programmes. What did we really need in the pandemic – good statistical analysis, sensible assessment of risk. They were the people to provide it for us – and they let us down.
Those of us who remain unvaxxed, are truly grateful we declined. We all have now witnessed family and friends, triple jabbed and covid positive for up to eleven days. What more needs to be done to convince people these vaxxes are dangerous and ineffective. I know, give them a fourth jab. Yep that ought to do it!
So glad you wrote this Nick. Like so many others I too viewed Harford and Spiegelhter as trustworthy voices. For their credibility More or Less should revisit this issue.
You hardly even need data to prove the vaccines don’t work. The evidence is there all around you in the fact that almost EVERYONE has had Covid now and most people were vaccinated. I know several people who’ve had it more than once, with different strains. Had it myself – worst runny nose ever! 😉
In Iceland, 88 people died with Covid after vaccination started and up to February this year. 80 of them vaccinated, 8 unvaccinated. So 9% of the deaths were unvaccinated, 91% vaccinated. Approximately 90% of adults are now vaccinated, and obviously we were not close to this ratio until after mid-2021. Protection against severe disease and death? Clearly a very big question mark.
Yes we have known this for a while. Mark Steyn covered it. But somehow it hasn’t been on the BBC.
Any update on the adverse reaction rate amongst the unjabbed?
Is Dr Spiegelhumper claiming that adverse events are higher amongst the unjabbed yet?
Someone should start a website that simply debunks all the certified “fact checks.”
Maybe a spin-off site for The Daily Skeptic?
jab “effectiveness”? Oh it’s egregiously effective alright but against the chimera – how could we ever know? In an avalanche of bogus stats and all based on a bogus test not fit for purpose, with an as yet unidentified bug. An experimental soup about an untested jab, all it is – ‘guesswork in the dark’ nescience.
What we do know, is that the executive, misguided by the nudge units indeed the medical profession lied, and lied again to the country.
A scandal is emerging in Spain where a police operation has discovered that over 2 000 rich and famous people have paid large sums of cash to get fake vaccine certification in order to avoid having to be injected with the ‘safe & effective’, life-saving mRNA ju-ju medicine.
I wonder why?
‘Jose Maria Fernandez Sousa-Faro, president of European pharmaceuticals giant PharmaMar, has been charged by police with being falsely vaccinated against Covid-19. Dr. Sousa-Faro has been caught up in a scandal in Europe involving people being added to the National Immunization Registry in exchange for large sums of money, with many of them familiar faces and household names. ‘
Story at: https://www(dot)sott(dot)net/article/468242-Police-charge-big-pharma-boss-with-falsifying-his-Covid-vaccination-status
The notion that nims is overestimating the unvax population is laughable.
Hart group did an analysis last year on this.
A minor cavil would be that “97,881 – 15,106 = 88,951″ is unfortunately incorrect. It should be 82,775.
Maybe healthier people are less likely to take the vaccine which would dramatically skew the results.
Harford is contactable at [email protected].
I’ll be sending him a link to this.
It’s amazing how much in funding these fact checkers get from their echo chamber
https://fullfact.org/about/funding/
Perhaps if enough people provide feedback they will re look at the article and declare this ds article bogus too.
https://fullfact.org/about/feedback/
The “fact checkers” were not wrong – they were “only obeying orders”.
After all ,they have a political agenda to follow!
Anybody using ‘Fact Checkers’ is really admitting:
I’m fik me but I kan reed abit.
(Thanks Judy).
Do I understand it right, the office of statistics is making ASSUMPTIONS about the infection rate?
Well, let’s not look at the percentage then, I guess the actual number of infected people is at least a REAL number?
I used to like More or Less, but stopped listening. I wrote to them several times, asking to look into a subject or challenging their covid reports, never heard from them.
Sadly after Covid we can no longer trust anything we see or hear from Government or the censored Mass Media – especially statistics,graphs and absurd ‘fact checks’. It is time now to accept that we are living with a universal propaganda narrative from the agencies we used to trust. with ‘objectivity”
Without ‘objectivity’ no rational decisions on anything can be made – this is where we now are.
Government and Institutions currently serve a Globalist set agenda and the external Power Brokers, not the people and the electorate of this country.
This is the biggest lesson we have to learn.
Same here.
No reply to about four e-mails each several months apart.
Anyone know if any petitions for the truth have been made yet?
the already published data should be all that’s needed to confirm that we’ve been mislead and lied to.
I would suggest writing to the guardian but we all know that would fall on death ears unless there was lefty angle to it, perhaps the vaccine impacts lefties more?
that said I’m not sure proper commies took it, I think Corbyn and his bro dodged it.
No, I think thankfully the Labour ‘old left’ is still hostile to pharmaceutical companies and shareholders owning the world. However, most of the party’s MPs are now Blairites … possibly all but 20 of them.
A depressing end to a once great political party.
At 70, I’m struggling to recall a “great” Labour Party. Mostly it spent its time destroying the economy one way or another, even up to Brown.
Brown! Give us back our Gold! We need it!
What exactly does “Blairite” stand for in these dark days – ( apart from hatred of the Nation Sate, personal advancement and greed) does anyone know?
Globalist.
A credible census and functioning border controls would help…
Which is why there will be neither.
I really enjoy more or less, probably the only thing on bbc I listen to but I’ve not listened to any since that podcast as it started ok but then went batshit crazy and tried to pull the wool over our heads, which is fully unusual for more or less.
would be great if they did do a follow up, which they occasionally do.
Ditto. I stopped listening & lost all respect for Tim Harford after a video discussion on long covid which he contributed to. He was included as he had suffered from long term post covid symptoms yet all that was pushed by him & Brian Cox was the Holy Jab will rescue us all from our post covid symptoms. No questions allowed about natural immunity or the limited data from the trials….
The WHO not only changed the definition of a pandemic, but also that of herd immunity. It stated that herd immunity is only reached through vaccination. That flies in the face of what the science said pre 2020.
The problem isn’t simply that the UKHSA data (and other data) shows the vaccines to have negative effectiveness (although it certainly is a concern).
The UKHSA data isn’t perfect — it is ‘messy’ and there are easy criticisms that can be made — and they’re always made, with the result that official sources dismiss these data.
But these data definitely suggest that ‘something is very wrong’ and it isn’t enough to just dismiss the data; what’s needed are rigorous alternative data to support the counter argument.
What the UKHSA (etc) data show is that there is a real need to undertake a rigorous study into vaccine effectiveness (and safety while they’re at it). This probably means a retrospective matched cohort study, or possibly undertake experiments to check the assumptions made when they use the TNCC method. I find it a bit surprising that the scientists concerned don’t push for this — it is very seldom in science that an expert will say ‘job done — we know all we need to know‘ — they’re always after new data (and new sources of income).
This is the crucial part that’s missing from the response of experts criticising the UKHSA data.
When Funding is linked to Research, the water is forever muddied
“Corruption” – pure and simple
Robert Peston says he had Covid. I wonder how long he had the double pneumonia for.
Does anyone care?
Getting the unvaccinated population right is not the only problem with using this data. While it stratifies for age, it does not allow for many other confounding factors e.g. propensity to get tested (unvaccinated people are likely to have less faith in the tests and therefore not get tested when symptomatic) and immunity through prior infection (unvaccinated people are more likely to have already been infected).
Fully agree. While it would be great to get an answer to this question, I feel a comprehensive takedown is impossible when using this data as source.
Suppose it comes down to where testing is a choice or part of the regime to put it mildly.
Regardless of infection rate the real killer is the fatality rate coveted at the end of the article. There’s no difference between the vaxxed & unvaxxed.
Not sure where else to post this. Do we really have secret trials or is this an exaggeration?
Can the Free Speach Union explain or support these women?
SIX people charged over Sarah Everard vigil https://mol.im/a/10877095 via https://dailym.ai/android
We have secret Chemtrail drops in the skies above us which all can see and which seem to be increasing, photographed across the British Isles but which according to the Government “do not exist” .
So why not secret trials?
We have also casually extradited Julian Assange to what might be a desperate fate in the US – this in spite of allowing the possibility of ill-treatment as a means of blocking the deportation of illegal, sometimes even criminal, immigrants for decades.( see fate of Jan 6th protesters in US ).
As mentioned by Mark Steyn, human Rights one seems to go one direction. Where are the rights for the villagers in north Yorks who may be getting a lucky escape from being swamped. A PR disaster waiting to happen.
Lies, Damned lies, total utter lies and government covid “facts”.
Interesting to follow a statistical examination of the covid vaccine fiasco.
Just as it is Interesting to try to follow some of the very arcane critiques based on thermodynamics or atmospheric physical chemistry, when following our Beloved Leaders annointing of their choice of The Science in the Climate “Breakdown”.
As a Chartered Engineer who had to learn some of this, I still struggle with some of the details.
But even a soft-in-the-head Arts Grad Politician (that’s at least 97% of them) should be able to spot the bare faced liars, the mendacious “activist scientists”, those who stand to make billions if their agit-prop succeeds, those Chat Fekkers with blue eyes and brown noses.
And first amongst them are the Computer Modellers who multiply wild guesses and fudge factors together, “tune” the results and present the result as “The Science”.
Folk like Professor Pantsdown Ferguson and Michael Mann.
Policy based evidence making at its finest.
You have to laugh at the poor souls who still believe that the ‘vaccines’ make any difference. Remember how ‘safe and effective’ soon morphed into the unproveable ‘reduces hospitalisation and death’? In Australia, with supposedly 95% of adults at least double vaxxed, in the first 4 months of 2022, cases, hospitalisations and deaths are greater than 2020 and 2021 combined. The more you read, the more you realise we’ve been conned by the government and medical fraternity who have been conned (intentionally perhaps) by Pfizer et al.
What do you mean ‘we’
Reminds me of the old joke
Lone Ranger ‘Tonto we are surrounded by Indians’
Tonto ‘What do you mean ‘we’
Sadly it will “make a difference” to their lives- but probably not the one they expect.
Still, it would all have been much, much worse if they had caught “Covid”!
The Government have not been conned – they were all in on the “con” ( see Johnson’s address to the UN on the techno future many months ago )
I mentioned that to you on another post….Kind of stole my thunder.
In the book Pseudo Pandemic….He talks of ‘informed influencers’ and ‘deceived instigators’.
Our local Diversity Manager has just made her 34th appearance in the Queens honours lists
Seeing as you ask, four times as a man, six times as a woman, twenty two of undisclosed denomination and once each as a cat and a dog
Once as a Lizard!
Good morning on this day of national bullshit
I can’t get any sense out of my brother he just keeps screaming ‘Parasites’
Anyway, I’m going to cut my earlobes off in celebration
Country going to the dogs,bills going through the roof, infrastructure falling apart.
Never mind, put a sausage roll in one hand, a union flag (made in China) in the other and all together:”Knees up mother Brown, knees up,etc”
One of our local shops has finally erected a Union flag to stand alongside the two Ukrainian flags that they have been flying for the last couple of months. No doubt it will be taken down next week, whilst the other two, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the UK, remain in situ.
Johnson – arguably the worst and certainly the most dangerous Prime Minister since Walpole first took the title .
And that’s up against some really serious contenders.
Yes. News from Bulgaria and the Baltic States about Johnson’s surprise trip to the Ukraine. The report say he proposed a ‘ new EU’ with Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic States – possibly to include Turkey ( !).
Obviously the UK is to be the ‘prime mover’ .Johnson also wants to send more powerful Rocket launchers to add to those the US is sending to the Ukraine – and has to ask US ‘permission’ as they are US made.
Obviously his idea is to kill more Russians.
“Up against some really serious contenders” Johnson wins hands down. He is loving (t)his war he is constantly hyping up.
We ought be getting just a little afraid of exactly what we have so naively put in Downing Street.
I’m sure the war gives him a hard on, he can play at being Churchill.
It is indeed “National Bullshit Day ” a diversion intended to make Johnson popular again – by association – it will fail.
Aspiring Dictators always seek to borrow and exploit the success of others – or indeed anything going..
Once the Queen let it be known that my family and I were ‘selfish’ for declining an experimental medical product I’m afraid I rather lost my loyalty.
It hasn’t been helped by the fact that she has said nothing at all about the seizure of the bank accounts of vaccine mandate opponents in Canada, where she is still the head of state, or the way in which she ignored the way in which her government here prevented her subjects from being at the bedsides of their dying husbands, wives, parents, and even children.
Marking her Jubilee is really just another way of celebrating the monarchy, which is shortly to give us her eldest son – a man who flies everywhere by private jet and eats like a king, but wants us all to fly nowhere and eat insects.
A monkeypox on all their house.
Let me simplify – the Windsors are traitors and should be treated as such along with Bozo and his gang.
It is about time that the maudlin veneration of a whole population to a pantomime monarchy was put in the cellars of one of their castles where it rightfully belongs.
The Windsors are themselves a very high-up part of the Globalist cabal of oligarchs who run/control the world!
Which is why the [so-called…] ‘queen’ has pushed these evil injections on people. Ditto Charles and all the rest of them.
(I’ve been a passionate anti-‘royalist’ for 35+ years; am a 63-year-old Englishwoman)
Philip and Charles have both attended the Bilderberg meetings; ie, a meeting-place for many of the Globalists…
Many of the UK’s politicians (for many years) have also attended the annual Bilderberg get-togethers.
For years I would be told of the Queen’s fortune to be 90 million. Now they have hundreds of millions, is this just property prices or what happened
Yes, the Queen’s comment finished the Monarchy for me.
Everything changed with that piece of obviously planted political propaganda – I’m afraid that in a phrase Her Majesty lost all credibility and simply became a Johnson/Gove mouthpiece .
‘Separation of Powers’ used to mean at least going through the (e)motions – now it’s just “them” lined up against “us” with the ‘Fourth Estate’ now also blatantly on ‘their’ side !
Please see my comment to Huxleypiggles of a few minutes ago (just north of this post; or south, as the case may be…!)
Laura Perrins made those same excellent points on the Mark Steyn GB News programme last night.
To be generous she mentioned that she was probably told to say that. But someone of her age should know that vaccines are supposed to protect YOU, not others!
“her government here prevented her subjects from being at the bedsides of their dying husbands, wives, parents, and even children”
Including her!
“she has said nothing at all about the seizure of the bank accounts of vaccine mandate opponents in Canada”
Prince Charles was there only last week, did he mention the draconian power grab on her subjects….No, he just banged on about ‘climate change’, he is, after all a member of the WEF.
Lockdowns saved just 10,000 lives in Europe and US combined: Updated John Hopkins study finds draconian measures had ‘little to no effect’ on Covid death ratehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10856933/Lockdowns-saved-just-10k-lives-Europe-combined-Study-finds-little-no-effect.html
The other day I was reading how there were 3000+ excess deaths just for diabetes in the UK.
All these lockdown pushers must have slaughtered millions across Europe and the USA all told.
The very reason we all mustered here when the opportunity arose. Intuition is a fine and very underrated quality.
I wonder how many of the 3000 had covid mentioned on the death certificate?
That’s not what the UK government said…
https://archive.ph/xB34d (Daily Telegraph paywalled item)
“Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, government report showsResearch shines a light on the reasons why the Government has been keen to lift lockdown, in spite of experts claiming it happened too soon”
And given that, again according to Government stats, less than 10k actually died FROM Covid
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsinvolvingthecovid19vaccinationinenglandandwales
And given that the MHRA have recorded over 2000 deaths from the death shot, and have stated publicly that they believe only 10% of fatalities’ to have been reported, that’s
200,000 + 20,000 killed by government, and under half of that killed by Covid. Not to mention all the old folks Hancock killed when he shunted them into nursing homes straight form hospital.
Say 250k dead by the dead hand of the government?
That’s the BoJo Gang in action for you.
Hard to say since ALL the death stats are muddied because of the falsification of covid deaths (autopsies not done, and deaths with covid counted as opposed to only deaths from covid) and they don’t seem to be prepared to recognise a jab death.
Then add in the deaths because people couldn’t access healthcare, and the deaths to come, caused by the jabs, when people’s immune systems cannot fight off cancer etc.
I think it is fairly safe to say that deaths of covid alone will be small-ish in number, and the tally on the other side (no healtcare, jab deaths, increased cancers etc) will be much much larger but not officially acknowledged – an inconvenient truth.
Yup. The real death toll has only just started, that’s for sure.
Herpes cases – all varieties – going through the roof, Shingles suddenly massively on the rise – the truth is that VAIDS is with us .
Wait for ‘Monkey Pox’ to get the blame and wait for the hysteria and emergency ‘Lockdown’ when the “Monkey Pox epidemic” breaks out after the Summer Festival season – they have it all planned to wreck the Summer – Johnson will be learning his lines !
They need to hide the rise in vaccine injuries and the devastating ongoing consequences of the destruction of the immune systems on the health of the population ( apparently down to just 30% effective five months after the jabs ) of the vaccination don’t they?
This is an on-going operation by same evil operators..
People still don’t get where this is all going, do they? You are being played – yet again!
You have to thank that one small country in Africa for throwing a spanner in the works for the WHO. The last two years seems to show many places in Africa a haven for sanity.
They saved no lives at all – that is just total nonsense.
‘ Ivermectin’ could have saved lives – which is of course why they banned its use in Europe. It would have ruined their pandemic scam and consequently the ‘vaccine’ push.
Getting Europeans injected in maximum numbers was always the ‘end game’.
We wait to see the “slow burn” consequences. VAIDS of course is already with us.
I saw it suggested the monkeypox isn’t what people are getting, but a variety of herpes commonly found in those suffering from AIDS. Why can no one explain how an infection mostly found in Africa, and one that is not that easy to catch, should start popping up all over the world?
Yes – sadly this now seems very likely to me, in this new world of total corruption institutionalised lying, and fake pandemics. There is also vax induced shingles to consider of course.
Bombarded with lies, we must speculate our own truth.
After all, ‘Sense Making ‘ is a key principle of Social Interaction with others and confirming individual identity.
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Clearly, there is no ‘sense making’ or rationality any longer in Government.
‘Clearly, there is no ‘sense making’’
Plenty of money making and power grabbing.
You will probably find that it has been around in these numbers for rather a long time.
Yes and don’t forget the Marseilles treatment with HCQ. The WHO cited the fraudulent Surgisphere paper, published in the Lancet to suspend them.