How to Ensure Lockdowns Cannot Happen Again

To ensure policy failure on such a scale never happens again, those of us who oppose them need concrete proposals that could be implemented by a parliament and which address the root causes of the failed policies.

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There follows a guest post by former Google software engineer Mike Hearn.

How can we avoid a repeat of the last two years?

To ensure policy failure on such a scale never happens again, those of us who oppose them need concrete legislative proposals that could be implemented by a parliament or congress, and which address the root causes of the failed policies themselves. Very often in history we see that ideas for political reform have to be kicked around the public sphere for a while before being picked up by politicians. In that spirit I lay out some proposed changes to the law, designed to encode lessons learned from the Covid pandemic. Not all of these proposals apply to every country and they take for granted the acceptance of a viewpoint that is still contested – namely, that Covid non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) were a mistake. But the ideas here will hopefully prove useful as a launching point for further discussion – and perhaps, eventually, political campaigns.

My goal here is to make proposals that are only partially within the Overton Window of currently acceptable political thought. The justification: ideas fully within the Window will be generated by politicians during any normal public inquiry anyway. Ideas fully outside it won’t be considered at all. All proposals should be somewhat uncomfortable to read for someone fully committed to mainstream politics, but not entirely so. Please note that anything related to pharmaceutical or financial interventions are out of scope for this article. Further work (perhaps by other people) may address legislative proposals around these.

Repeal all Emergency Acts

Many countries have one or more Acts which grant ministers near arbitrary powers in the event that they declare a state of emergency. These Acts have a history of abuse without providing concomitant benefits.

The U.K. Public Health Act 1984 (PHA) has little or no history of use before Covid. NPIs were implemented primarily using the PHA and the Coronavirus Acts. However, NPIs were not effective, and their implementation led directly to many negative outcomes including severe acts of injustice against citizens and levels of government spending that have triggered an inflationary cost-of-living crisis. In the case of Canada, the Emergencies Act 1988 has only ever been invoked once, and that was to end what was otherwise a lawful protest. That Act replaced the previous War Powers Emergency Act after it was heavily criticised by the McDonald Commission, due to another case of abuse: Justin Trudeau’s father invoked it during a peacetime kidnapping crisis.

Modifications to Emergency Acts are thus well within the political mainstream and in fact a proposed reform of the U.K. Public Health Act has already been tabled in Parliament. Politicians seeking the centre ground often prefer to think in terms of reform rather than repeal. However, I think the case for a simple repeal of all such laws is a strong one, along with constitutionally forbidding the creation of new Emergency Acts in countries that have a constitution.

The argument for full repeal is as follows.

Prior reforms haven’t worked. The Canadian experience is informative. After their Wartime Powers Act was abused to intervene in a non-military crisis they replaced it with a reformed Act. But after decades of non-use the successor was invoked for the first time only to eliminate political dissent that could have been easily handled in other ways. Thus the Canadian Emergency Acts have never provided the country with any clear benefits, only international embarrassment.

Emergency Acts are unfixable by nature. Because of the open-ended nature of Emergency Acts, the only means available to prevent abuse are either to narrow the scope of what can be considered an ’emergency’, or to narrow the scope of what is allowed during an emergency. However, by its very nature an emergency is defined as a situation in which normal oversight mechanisms are too slow. Thus, by the time a Parliament, Congress or court is able to debate whether the powers have been invoked correctly it’s already too late. Once again, the Canadian experience is informative. Trudeau’s powers expired after 30 days, but this was more than enough time to complete the process of crushing his political opponents.

The underlying intuition is incorrect. The justification for Emergency Acts is that while the safeguards and procedures developed over hundreds of years by democratic societies lead to slower but better lawmaking, there are times when making law fast is better than making law well. For this justification to be valid requires several things to happen at once:

  1. The situation of an entire country or society must change overnight in ways that nobody could have anticipated or planned for.
  2. A response is required that only a government can implement.
  3. That response is nonetheless required only temporarily (usually declared to be a matter of weeks).
  4. The Prime Minister or President is able to both immediately determine what that response should be, and correctly implement this plan without making any major mistakes, even though in non-emergency times this isn’t really possible (which is why Parliaments developed alongside monarchies in the first place).
  5. For undefined reasons the populace refuses to agree that the government response is correct, and must be forced to comply by violent coercion. If this condition wasn’t met then no emergency powers would be needed because the government could simply issue advice.

The problem is, the set of situations in which all these conditions apply simultaneously is the empty set. There are no cases in which a temporary, correct and yet coercive response that only governments can mount is required for a completely unanticipated situation. It’s for this reason that Emergency Acts often go decades without being used after they are passed, and when they finally are used they are often reformed afterwards.

Covid fails at least requirement 1, given that global pandemics were widely anticipated by the public health community to the point of misfiring (e.g. for Swine Flu). There should have been no need for new law. It’s plausible that the open-ended nature of the Public Health Act actually discouraged Parliament from writing higher quality law, under the impression that what to do in a pandemic was a solved problem already. In the beginning it would also have failed requirement 5, given that lockdowns were based on widely held intuitions about how respiratory viruses spread, and thus voluntary compliance in the population was very high. Finally, given the widely discussed problem of expert failure during the pandemic it also failed requirement 4.

Emergency powers are often claimed to be necessary for fighting wars. Again, we can see that they should not be required for these situations. Nothing about war invalidates the requirements above and nothing in war is likely to ever meet them. War is not only something that can be anticipated; anticipating it via wargaming is a key activity of any competent military. War rarely starts overnight without warning but even when it does governments have either pre-prepared via defence spending and thus already have the necessary laws debated and on the books via the usual processes, or they’re unprepared and thus about to be defeated anyway, in which case questions of law are irrelevant.

Conclusion: there are no situations in which the underlying philosophical justification for emergency powers are valid, and they are prone to abuse. Therefore they should be repealed.

2. A legal requirement for pre-publication of information presented to the government

Establishing the principle that policy should never be defined in response to a (real or claimed) emergency enables other critical reforms.

Freedom of Information Acts are one of the great achievements of liberal democracy. By converting the default state of government information to public rather than private, FOI Acts open up government decision-making to scrutiny by journalists, the wider public and the members of Parliament who can be bothered to read them. The culture of open data that follows along with these acts is why it’s possible for the public to produce and consume sophisticated data analysis, often revealing facts that governments find embarrassing.

Despite the greatness of FOI Acts, they can be improved. One of their biggest weaknesses is their retroactive nature. Someone must surmise that information exists, explicitly request it and then wait for a response. By the time this response arrives it may already be too late. A good example of this is how the UK FOIA was used to force the release of the source code to the Ferguson/ICL Covid model, revealing that it was so buggy that it wasn’t fit for purpose. But by claiming they were in an extended, long drawn out process of releasing it, ICL was able to delay the opening of the code until months after it had already influenced government policy. By the time the model’s inadequacy was revealed it was too late.

A very similar second situation occurred when sceptical doctors were invited into No.10 in 2020 to argue against lockdown as a so-called red team. SAGE presented new modelling that the red team hadn’t previously seen and thus was unable to immediately respond to. SAGE therefore won by default and presented the new models at a press conference just hours later, leading ministers to claim they were “bounced” into another lockdown. The modelling was shown to be nonsensical just two days later by one of the invited scientists (Dr. Carl Heneghan), but by then it was too late and the decision had already been made.

If the principle that governments must sometimes change the law within hours is successfully discredited, that enables FOI Acts to be strengthened by requiring publication of any data or information before it is presented to ministers or civil servants by third parties. A suggested change could be as follows:

  • The government is mandated to run a website on which all documents, presentations, data sets and supporting research artefacts to be presented as part of any government meeting or event to government employees can be uploaded, downloaded and commented upon.
  • No externally generated document, presentation or dataset may be viewed by any minister or civil servant until it has been available via that website for a minimum of three days beforehand.
  • This requirement does not apply to:
    • Internally generated emails, e.g. between ministers or civil servants.
    • Documents that are generated regularly according to a pre-agreed schedule, e.g. status reports, dashboards, etc.
    • Contracts, commercially sensitive information, etc.
      • These sorts of exceptions would undoubtably be abused immediately, but starting with broad exceptions provides a foundation that can be further refined.
  • Presentation of information to the government before the pre-disclosure period has expired is subject to fines. ‘Presentation’ is defined as including provisioning of the document in any form, including links to the documents on the document collection website (i.e., ministers and civil servants should always be the last to know what’s about to be presented to them).

There would be no requirement for anyone in government to actually pay attention to any resulting comments, only to provide infrastructure for collecting them. The primary burden would be regulatory compliance: anyone interacting with the government would have to be prepared enough to write their PowerPoint slides at least a few days in advance, and in large institutions that interact with the government regularly that would probably require new compliance controls to be put in place.

On the other hand, for government agencies themselves it may actually save money in the long run because pre-publication would largely eliminate the need for dedicated staff to handle FOI requests. In a few cases government departments have already realised this and published everything they have on frequently FOIAd topics, e.g. the U.K. Ministry of Defence stated it opened up its UFO report archives specifically because it was easier than responding to FOIA requests individually.

During review, a common objection to this part was that it would cause advice to go underground and unwritten, or the compliance burden would cause people to simply not present evidence to the government at all, or to significantly change that advice due to fear of backlash. I don’t feel like this is a major problem because Freedom of Information Acts already establish the principle that any advice or written documents given to anyone in government can be made public anyway, and for important issues probably will, so that bridge was crossed long ago. Also, if freedom of information actually does cause people to moderate their advice to governments, then we haven’t seen much evidence of this during the Covid pandemic. SAGE scientists were more than happy to repeatedly go to the press to make their views even more public than what was already being achieved by the release of their meeting minutes.

3. Establish a Parliamentary Scientific Methods committee

A major weakness exposed by the Covid response is that governments want to “follow the science” but lack any formal definition of what science actually is. This has been repeatedly exploited by academics who present themselves to ministers and the public as scientists, yet whose work doesn’t meet any standard definition of the scientific method.

The root cause of this problem can be traced to the grant approvals process. Governments treat the necessity of spending of money on research as a matter of bipartisan agreement, so there’s little incentive to ensure the money is spent well. Grant money is dispersed with little regard for whether the resulting papers correctly utilise the scientific method or even if they have anything to do with the original grant proposal at all.

This approach is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. By flooding the research world with undiscerning ‘dumb money’, governments have been incentivising the production of cheap but bad research papers that not only pollute the scientific literature, but which starve good work of oxygen. The fixation on unvalidated modelling (cheap to produce and in endless supply) would appear to be an example of this.

Fixing it requires governments to start caring more about how exactly public research budgets are used. In turn this requires creating a rigorous definition of what is and is not scientific. Existing scientific institutions are sadly of little use here:

  1. Scientific journals define science as anything which is both interesting enough to publish and which has passed peer review. This definition can sometimes catch individual papers with low standards, but can’t arrest a general decline across an entire field.
  2. Universities appear to define science as anything that grant-making bodies are willing to fund, or journals are willing to publish. From an outsider’s perspective they really couldn’t care less about the credibility of their academics.
  3. The commercial sector is also of no use in defining science, because industrial labs are typically focused on measurable results rather than the philosophical question of what is or is not scientific. The question arises in the public context only because:
    1. Governments force people to pay for basic scientific research on the grounds that it’s a public good that would otherwise not be funded by anyone at all – thus deciding what is or isn’t scientific is about responsible use of taxpayer funding.
    2. Governments force people to change their lives in major ways on the grounds that ‘science’ says it must be done – thus deciding what is or isn’t scientific is also about basic civil liberties and quality of governance.

Wikipedia’s article on science defines it as follows:

Science (from Latin scientia ‘knowledge’)[1] is a systematic enterprise that builds and organises knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

Here are just a few examples of common cases where publicly funded research doesn’t appear to meet this definition of scientific:

  • The production of models which are never tested for predictive validity, or in which the predictions cannot actually be tested at all due to lack of falsifiability, determinism or clarity (not testable).
  • Claims in psychology that don’t replicate (non-replicating claims aren’t knowledge).
  • Papers with logical fallacies in them (not systematic).
  • Fraudulent practices like making up data or Photoshopping images (not building true knowledge).
  • The practice of presenting probability-free scenarios as science (not testable).
  • And I would be remiss if I didn’t take a pop at my own field of ‘Computer Science’ (not about the study of nature).

Many of these points are obvious. In theory, nobody should claim that a fraudulent paper is scientific, except that our current system actually does so and it happens all the time. Therefore the first step to raising standards is to write down why they are presently unsatisfactory.

Because it’s ultimately about tax and spending, this is a task for Parliament. Therefore, a standing committee could be set up tasked specifically with creating and maintaining a legal definition of the scientific method, which granting agencies are obliged to implement and audit. The committee could meet on an occasional but regular schedule and take evidence from the public on cases where the definition doesn’t seem to be correct; either because it’s allowing unscientific work to be funded, or because it’s incorrectly excluding a new area of research that should be considered science. For example such a committee could define national standards around the threshold for something to be considered statistically significant. Although such a committee could, should and would receive wide ranging input from many different people and organizations about what is or is not scientific, only people outside the system have any hope of imposing a working definition: people within the public sector research sector have visibly failed at imposing standards on themselves.

Conclusion

For the correct lessons to be learned from the pandemic, actionable ideas are required.

These ideas should fall on the border or just outside of the window of currently acceptable thought because, by definition, people within the system will already come up with the ideas that are considered acceptable to propose. Additionally, the sort of public health workers who came up with lockdowns, mandatory masking and so on have demonstrated a willingness to go well outside the window of previously acceptable ideas. Indeed, they entirely redefined the window almost overnight, so the importance of ‘reasonableness’ or ‘acceptability’ as political concepts is open to question anyway. It certainly didn’t stop anyone in SAGE.

I argue for three actionable ideas: repeal of emergency laws that suspend the usual decision making process, changes to the way information is presented to ministers, and an attack on public sector pseudo-science via reform of the granting process to include a rigorous definition of the scientific method. Combined these would have blocked large amounts of the output of computational epidemiology (because it’s unvalidated and thus unscientific), slowed down the initial response (which in the end didn’t matter anyway), and given time for sceptical views to be fully presented to decision makers.

The author would like to thank Toby Young, MTF and Harry Richer for their review.

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rtj1211
rtj1211
4 years ago

If 3 is to have any relevance, then you need a quorum of sufficiently educated MPs to sit on it. It’s entirely pointless having a committee like that stacked full of Oxford PPE blowhards, because they will have zero ability to scrutinise anything. They will pick an expert out of a raffle and hope the winning ticket is scientifically correct.

The problem there is that the British people have an antipathy towards scientifically trained people. They want people they can have a booze up with, who tell them what they want to hear, who make promises they don’t keep.

Scientists tend to tell the people the truth, tend to argue based on data, not propaganda. They tend to NOT defer to ‘experts’ without subjecting that expertise to due diligence.

It’s not necessarily an attractive set of traits either to the Selection Committees in major parties NOR to voters if they actually get on the ballot.

Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
4 years ago

‘The master’s tools will not dismantle the master’s house’ – Audre Lorde

martinbritnell83
martinbritnell83
4 years ago

Just don’t follow what the government tells you. Sadly…. That isn’t going to happen. Far too many people still wearing their face nappies in their own cars. They’ve done a fantastic job of scaring people half to death.

dialallama
dialallama
4 years ago

The problem with any legal implications is that government makes the law. If the law or even a constitution gets in the way the government can just claim and emergency and over rule it a-la Trudeau. A free and honest press should be the solution but most of the media is owned by powerful vested interests. A law forcing advertising of all significant funding to media organisations at the front of the paper/website/new show might help open peoples eyes to this??

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

THEY don’t want it to end, its lucrative and it gives them a power buzz, “There is a ‘high chance’ that a new COVID variant that is worse than Omicron will emerge in the next two years”, Chris Whitty has warned today”. Worse than omicrom, that like, covid, the majority only knew they had when they used of those nose sticks that make money for investors and manufacturers of nose sticks which give a false postive

richardw53
richardw53
4 years ago

Please don’t put politicians in charge of defining the scientific method!!!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Horrible picture!

Please spare us!

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

There’s a big problem with opinion pieces such as this – the author starts from the basis that we had a pandemic and the government simply mismanaged their reaction to it.

The cock-up theory.

Except that there was NO pandemic and the reaction to a wholly manufactured crisis had been planned months, if not years in advance and the crisis is ongoing and still being managed.

This article is naiive to the point of gross stupidity.

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

As I see it, for what the author is proposing, it’s neither here nor there whether it was a real pandemic or a fake one with ulterior motives.

Whatever works for a real pandemic will work for a fake one.

More generally, the problem is one of abuse of power by the state and anything that reduces the power of the state to dictate the daily lives of citizens works.

Bad actors who manufacture such crisis are generally trying hijack the state in some way. It’s not much use hijacking a state if it has limited powers.

Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago

Literally tl;dr, and therefore not persuasive.

Briefly bullet point the whats, then make the argument for them. Preamble is just ramble.

I probably agree with most of this, but I only skimmed it. Anyone who disagrees won’t even get to the first suggestion/demand.

unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago

The trouble is it’s just not over. Last week in the dentist I was shouted at for not wearing a mask, yesterday masks were on in a legal office I visited (no thank you was my reply) and today my child has been asked to test daily during her weekend school trip. It’s all mental and really getting me down. What can we do?

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

Can you issue a notice of liability to the bastards?
(Oboviously not where it would make life too difficult for your child.)

Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

A simple denture that 3 years ago my dentist was able to have produced overnight, ie impressions taken first thing on day one, new denture fitted last thing on day 2 has now been in the works for two weeks. And nobody seems to give a phlying phuque.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

I had a conversation with an elderly relative today. Turns out my sister (covid on the brain, regularly tests herself, wears mask in open air – I could go on but you get drift) had already given her a strongly worded lecture on “the importance of continuing to wear the mask”

I tried really hard to explain that they are nothing more than theatre, virtue signalling and protect no one from nothing – but I knew I wasn’t getting through. So I know precisely how you feel. My family are all 100% bought into this utter crap and deride me because I speak out against it.

it is very hard being the only sane person in the room.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Milo, I think me and thee are in the same canoe.

Sadly.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Commiserations huxleypiggles. It isn’t a great canoe to be in is it?

MTF
MTF
4 years ago

Mike

Thanks for the opportunity to review this material before publication. I have thought a bit more about the committee for defining scientific standards. There is no scope for a sound file here so I will risk aggravating the RSI.

First, as I understand it, this committee is about setting criteria for deciding what research should be funded, therefore these are standards to be applied before the research begins – correct?

It seems to me the examples of standards in your article, and the draft you sent me, fall into three groups.

One group are things such as results that don’t replicate, papers with logical fallacies, fraudulent practices. It seems to me that you don’t need a standards committee to determine these are bad science. Who is going to consciously fund fraudulent science? The trouble is they not typically apparent until after the research has been done. What is needed here is not new standards but better processes for detecting projects likely to fail standards that are clearly already accepted and also appropriate redress when they do.

The second group is things like open access and preregistration. These seem to me like good criteria for funding research – but… Read more »

hi60
hi60
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Who is going to consciously fund fraudulent science?

An exhaustive number of malign actors.

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

laws can be reversed

the way to make sure it never happens again is to make sure the collective consciousness realises what a terrible idea it was

sack the terrible scientists and advisors
sack anybody that thought locking down was ok without a cost benefit analysis
prosecute people that called for lockdown (hate speech at the least – manslaughter at worst)
stop the censorship of other opinions
stop the smearing of S Gupta GBD etc
go back to being modern, evidenced based scientific society rather than fear driven, groupthinked quasi-religious morons

the top people that threw away the pandemic plan should be prosecuted. media companies that censored discussion f lockdown should be annihilated

Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

if the tax exempt foundations of the United States, who wield billions, are one of the facets of the funding, what do we do about them? Funding can corrupt people, and mega-funding can corrupt them to sell their neighbours for the sake of enriching their descendants. Human nature, unameliorated, can be a very nasty thing indeed.

I saw the interview with Norman Dodd about the Reece report 10 years ago, and it has haunted me since:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=g+edward+griffin%3b+reese+report&docid=608008923743671707

Norman Dodd – Tax exempt foundations – Manipulating politics and culture – YouTube

I looked into it for some time, and discovered that Norman Dodd had great integrity (as his face would indicate) and that the report (which I have read most of) was as he said, and that it was blocked from full completion by political shenanigans and threats to Carol Reese.

People underestimate how much capital these foundations control. Charity laws in some states in the US are a complete disgrace.

Occams Pangolin Pie
Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago

Great article. Thank you!

Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
4 years ago

The President of Ghana warned his nation in January what was happening.

This transcript is more or less what he read out:

transcript-the-covid-plan_rockefeller-lockstep-2010.pdf (wordpress.com)

It is unnervingly similar to what happened, but I can’t make out the exact provenance of it. Can anyone shed further light?

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

Lockstep 2010 is a legitimate document and was put out by Rockefeller.

Hiding in plain sight it’s called.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

I would like to know exactly who these “Bill Gates type people” were and how they managed to influence our governments to throw out years of planning and follow the actions of the CCP.

Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

And huge amounts of cash to buy access to the administration or executive, wall to wall biased coverage in the MSM and to distort Academic output by funding unscientific research and its subsequent publication, with yet more biased coverage by the MSM.

thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
4 years ago

Off topic but: Inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy after the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine may follow a chronic course

https://www.jns-journal.com/article/S0022-510X(22)00093-4/fulltext

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

I’m sure it is on the list of side effects (there are pages and pages of them) which Pfizer knew about before its jab was approved by the FDA

Francis64
Francis64
4 years ago

How to Ensure Lockdowns Cannot Happen Again

Nuremberg-style trials and lengthy prison sentences.

FrankFisher
FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Francis64

I’d prefer just overnight prison sentences, then a hearty breakfast.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

and a taxpayer supplied Tumbril for their last trip as public servants?

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

Make politicians legally liable and enforceable by the people with no political involvement. To be enacted and enforced by a separate body that politicians cannot influence. As politicians and the MSM have committed gross treason against the people then the death penalty should be included as a sentence the enforcing body can pass.

I think this is just wishful thinking but I can dream.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

What we need is a set of inalienable rights that the thieves in parliament can’t infringe.
Rights that the courts respect and uphold, rights the people recognise and would fight to maintain.
Rights like not being forced to take an injection you don’t want and for there to be no political consequence for deciding not to.
But as such rights would stop those in power from looting the nation and grabbing power for their globalist overlords it isn’t going to happen any time soon.

FrankFisher
FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

They have that in the USA and Canada, but the courts chose not to get involved.

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

I think it is fair to say that the US government circumvented the constitution. It was written 200+ years ago in a pre-industrial world, when the idea of bodily autonomy was not even remotely in question. It could probably use an update.

And certainly without independent courts to enforce it, a constitution is almost worthless.

At the very least though it’s a well defined line to be defended.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It probably depends to what extent under English common law the people still have any power, apart from a citizen’s arrest. Have we really granted parliament the right to pass statute laws which negate some of the ‘inalienable rights’ we were allegedly born with?

If I don’t have my inalienable rights any more, what’s the point in being born here, as opposed to a country like France or Italy. There the state has more power and their legal approach is very different … they don’t have juries, for a start.

(Bliar also tried to abolish juries here.)

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

inalienable rights are restrictions on the state.

What bureaucrat is going to hold themselves to account?

PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
4 years ago

DAILY SCEPTIC REALLY MUST PAY ATTENTION TO PROPOSED PANDEMIC POWERS TO BE HANDED OVER TO THE WHO BY TREATY TO RATIFIED BY JAVID IN MAY. APART FROM THE EXTINCTION OF NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY IT WOULD MEAN EVEN. MORE ARROGANCE AND LESS DISCUSSION THAN BEFORE.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago

If I could have upticked you a thousand times I would have – this is the most pertinent post in this whole set of responses to this article.

We can debate the rights and wrongs of politicitians ordering lockdowns until the cows come home but it will only be nothing more than naval gazing when we continue to ignore the MASSIVE elephant in the room which is the prospect that the UK govt will sign its sovereignty over to the WHO who will then be able to order lockdowns at the whim of whatever vaccine manufacturer has something to sell and there will not be a thing we can do about it.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

The one part I would take issue with is the comment, “there will not be a thing we can do about it.”

On the contrary, what we have learned these last two years is that a government with a majority can pass any damn laws it likes and F. the rest of you. So trying to con us with a “not me guv” does not work and Bozo has proven it so.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Emergency acts should require emergency elections.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

The average voter is such a mong that they will vote for the Tory/Labour uniparty yet again.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

‘Covid non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) were a mistake.’

They were not a mistake, they were a critical tool for scaring the living piss out of people and as such formed a core tactic for looting the nation and furthering the globalist agenda.

Star
Star
4 years ago

In short:

“Repeal of emergency laws that suspend the usual decision making process“.

  • Repealed laws – even enabling ones – can be reintroduced, so that won’t work. I guess politics isn’t taught much in science degrees.

“changes to the way information is presented to ministers”

  • Why bother with ministers at all? Why not let Google’s science scum run the government? Or as a first step, let Google’s science scum decide the criteria on which the state should appraise the advice it receives from Google’s science scum.

“an attack on public sector pseudo-science via reform of the granting process to include a rigorous definition of the scientific method”

  • Attack attack attack the false believers! More state handouts to the real and true Shcrapientists!
Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

“Repeal of emergency laws that suspend the usual decision making process“.

I like the idea of such a repeal – if only because of the shock value of the proposal. It would serve as a declaration that such laws are dangerous.

In the war of ideas, that counts for something.

civilliberties
civilliberties
4 years ago

How can we avoid a repeat of the last two years?

the buck stops with the people, if, on mass the majority said “na, no thanks” then there would have not been any lockdowns if people just ignored it. unfortunately most people went along with safety and furlough over liberty and then look stunned when the consequences hit them.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

You can’t ignore the schools being closed.
You can’t ignore the NHS being shut to all but the covids.
You can’t ignore the care homes locking visitors out.
You can’t ignore all venues for just about everythign being shut down.
You can’t ignore international travel being banned.
You can’t ignore your employer telling you to f off on furlough etc.

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

I think it is misguided to think that dictatorships don’t have the support of the majority. I’m pretty sure many if not most do.

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago

how about personal and professional liability for harm, enforced on the perpetrators with gusto by public reparation and rehabilitation committees staffed by US.

These locusts don’t get it and never will. You’re feeding the crocodile hoping he’ll eat you last.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago

My personal feeling is that laws don’t “ensure lockdowns never happen again”.

Laws can be changed – as we saw during the pandemic they just suspended normal processes and made up some new laws.

In my view a stronger protection would be building precedent into the hearts and minds of the electorate. People need to believe that if someone flagrantly abuses basic human rights, they will be held accountable.

Hypothetically speaking, the best way to prevent lockdowns from happening again would be to punish those who instigated it – severely, violently and publicly.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Yes, I have been thinking for some time that at least some decision makers should face criminal prosecution.

Here in NL I would certainly prosecute whoever was in charge of closing down the shops, etc. just before Christmas 2021. They knew full well by the time they decided to do this that Omick-take was not that serious, they had promised that vaxxing would avoid the same lockdown we had last year, also just before Christmas; they claimed they needed this to ‘buy time’ – even though they had supposedly been buying time for a year and a half. This time there was no compensation for the shops, who will have already blown any savings they had in the preceding year and a half.

The only explanation for this was that the cabinet still wished to get the 2g part of the apartheid app through, as parliament was being particularly stubborn about it. Former Health minister De Jonge withheld a report from parliament necessary for the debate on the matter for 5 weeks (it said 2g was highly questionable from a legal perspective) then only, quietely, presented it just before everyone took off for Christmas break. It only came out because… Read more »

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

I have advocated for a constitution here several times. A document that sets out the unalienable rights of the population.

However, it needs a judiciary that is up to it and consequences for a breach of the constitution by government officials.

Spaniards were ultimately protected by its constitution. The lockdowns were eventually declared unconstitutional by the highest court and so cannot be repeated. However, the decision came months afterwards and no one in government faced any consequences for it.

TSull
TSull
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

A constitution counts for nothing when the jurists are all either compromised or supine. Italy has a constitution. So do Ireland and France. This didn’t stop the political mis-representatives from riding roughshod over any rights those constitutions purport to guarantee.

TSull
TSull
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

Those who came up with and implemented policies that resulted in countless needless deaths need to be held to account, preferably with the ultimate penalty.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

Strongly agree and I’m unsure on why people have downvoted your comment to be honest.

My comment wasn’t meant to insinuate that law changes are somehow not valuable, or that the only outcome that would have any value would be something violent.

In fact I feel that legal changes are very valuable, but that these alone won’t offer much solace if they happen in isolation. I think that lengthy prison sentences are warranted for those who restrict peoples rights for reasons that are not demonstrably proportionate. I think that we should be willing to assign instigators the “murderer” label if they have constrained basic rights in such a way that has resulted in deaths. I do feel that’s the reality we’re up against, and I don’t think being honest about this necessarily leads to some open season free-for-all.

I do fully agree with the concerns you’ve raised around this though… my argument sits on a knife edge and there’s a every chance you are more right that me.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
4 years ago

There is one requirement for Emergency Powers in time of warfare – the need to counter spies and saboteurs. This is the job of the Security Services, and to do it effectively they may need to breach numerous laws. They may need to steal items or lock people up covertly on suspicion – actions which are illegal. Security Service in the 1960s were happy to operate outside the law – to do so nowadays would require a permanent state of emergency only applicable to them.

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

what, like this lot infected with Common Purpose…..

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

War and security services- across all nations- destroy morality and serve the Lord of the flies. It was ever thus. It takes a long time and a lot of goodwill for a society to recover balance, purpose and decency.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Combat green ideology, the ideology of doomsday cultism. It’s no coincidence that the most enthusiastic greens are the most enthusiastic Branch Covidians.

JXB
JXB
4 years ago

How? Arm the citizenry.

Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

This is the only way. Without it we are just a herd of super-educated farm animals for those in power to deal with as they please.

We also require true civilian control over military, law enforcement and the fruits of government/military expenditure.

We’re not going to get there by just talking about it and we’re not going to get there through representative democracy. So we need to stop talking about how this can never happen again because the next phase is already underway. We need to talk about what we’re going to do about it.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Even better, have Tom Stoltman slap the legs of every politician who advocates lockdown with a wet fish.

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

and allow them to use them……

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

All of them? Wouldn’t there be problems of people getting rid of personal enemies (like difficult spouses)?

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

Sorry, not picking on you.
But I’m not sure about your bold statement. Vaccine mandates were always going to be rather difficult to enforce in many States, and the 2nd amendment certainly concentrates minds. Australia has undergone significant changes since it repealed its version on what was a similar society.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

The first task is to make our politicians accept that they made mistakes — and not just ‘trivial bits slightly wrong’ but important mistakes in our response at a fundamental level that made things much worse.

But politicians won’t admit to this unless the evidence is completely and utterly overwhelming. As a rule they’re not scientists (who consider varied sources of information and will happily change their minds when the evidence changes) — they’re typically lawyers who are trained (selected) to push their position as ‘correct’, with selective use of whatever evidence supports their position. Politicians are the ones that’ll say ‘we’re completely correct — trust us’ and aren’t the ones that’ll say ‘we don’t know yet’ or ‘I was wrong and have made things worse’.

As it stands we’re probably going to have a whitewash of an inquiry that comes out saying that some trivial mistakes were made and that the biggest problem is that we didn’t do enough fast enough.

Ie, the politician’s favourite excuse — I was actually right, and the only reason I was wrong is because people didn’t do enough of what I said — next time jump faster and higher and all will be… Read more »

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

That is exactly right.

And the global bureaucracy that seems to have so much power over our daily lives is revising its policies and protocols so that when the next “pandemic” comes testing, masks and vaccines will be rolled out in record speed.

As far as I can see, the working assumption is that lockdowns are bad and the way to avoid them is to do all the other population control things we did quicker and better.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I really hope you’re wrong, but I’m worried you’re right.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

Fake scientists, the modern Lysenko types of the world, didn’t draw their conclusions from evidence and won’t change their minds based on evidence.

Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
4 years ago

If some scientists won’t change their mind some will, so the general consensus amongst the scientific community can and does change. This could be reflected by adopting the blue team/red team approach whenever scientific advice is given to governments. This would obviously require that politicians are able to understand and analyse the evidence put forward by each team, possibly a big ask, but at the least it would ensure they were presented with more than one set of data/models/interpretations of the data.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  Matt Dalby

Real scientists do change their minds, fake scientists, the Trofim Lysenko types like Whitty, Fauci, Vallance etc, never do.

They change their propaganda but that’s not the same thing.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Hearn

The two examples you gave in your last para were not ‘reversals’, they were selective messaging. The economy could not continue after 2 years of covid, an end was manufactured. certain people have outlived their usefulness so there is no longer a need to protect them, hence the lab story has been allowed to be normalised.
Sorry to sound cynical but this enquiry will not break with tradition. The report was already drafted months ago by a bunch of permanent civil servants. It will throw out a few titbits, but nothing that will rock any boats.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

a.k.a the cock-up theory. Well it doesn’t wash.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It doesn’t.

What does wash is understanding the ideology behind this, it’s green ideology and doomsday cultism is common to both lockdown and environmentalism.

What has happened is that the ideas taught for more than a century have been put into practice in what was perceived to be an emergency.

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