The NHS will begin sacking staff who have not had a Covid vaccine in just 16 days as the deadline to receive the first jab approaches on February 3rd, new guidance reveals. The Telegraph has more.
All frontline staff are required to have had two jabs by April 1, meaning the first dose must have been administered by Feb 3rd. More than 80,000 – 6% of the workforce – remain unvaccinated despite repeated efforts to boost take-up.
Last week, the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) and the Royal College of Midwives (RCM) urged ministers to delay the rules, saying they could have a “catastrophic” impact on the delivery of services.
NHS guidance to employers says all frontline staff who have not been vaccinated should start being called into formal meetings from Feb 4th and warned that they face dismissal. Dismissal notices will start being issued from that day, with the notice period ending on March 31st.
Roles covered by the rules include porters, receptionists and ward clerks as well as doctors and nurses.
NHS managers have been told they can redeploy frontline staff who will not be vaccinated into backroom roles that do not involve direct patient contact. But the guidance says they do not have to be concerned with finding “suitable alternative employment”, nor will redundancy payments be made to those who are dismissed.
Separate local guidance for GPs suggests creating different entrances and exits for unvaccinated staff to avoid them crossing paths with patients. The advice, from the Cambridgeshire local medical committee, says this would be a “pragmatic” approach.
The NHS guidance says organisations should warn regulators if they identify areas likely to be hit by staffing shortages that could threaten patient safety.
Workers will be asked to show Covid passes to prove they have had their jabs, or for evidence to show that they are exempt.
The Government’s own impact assessment says 73,000 NHS staff in England could be lost because of the rules. There are currently vacancies for almost 100,000 NHS jobs, including 40,000 nursing posts.
Last week Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, told the Commons the Government remained committed to plans to introduce compulsory jabs for all NHS frontline staff from April.
He said those who failed to get vaccinated were “standing on the shoulders” of others who had taken steps to help protect the population, adding that, since consultation began, take-up of jabs by NHS workers had risen from 92% to 94%.
There it is in black-and-white: they’re not being sacked because they’re deemed unsafe, but because others have been vaccinated and they’re perceived as free riders. It’s not about patient safety (how much difference will the last 6% really make to transmission, even if you assume the vaccines are highly effective against Omicron, which they’re not) but about vindictive, self-defeating politics that will only worsen the NHS staffing crisis and mistreat thousands of hard-working people who were heroes until last week. The Government needs to U-turn on this now before it makes yet another unforced error and further undermines its authority and support.
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I want to scream. I want a national debate on this between Javid and the doctor who already explained this. I want someone to explain how this will reduce wait times and the 6m procedure backlog lockdown created.
The government will be looking for an off-ramp very quickly from this policy. But they can’t do it now due to booster pushing (which is essentially worthless). But they will climb down.
That said, I agree that it’s time to fire some people. Just they live at No 10 or work in his cabinet.
COVID Shots Make Omicron Worse, Bombshell Research
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/01/18/omicron-vaccine.aspx
With the spread of Omicron, there’s no longer any doubt the government mandates are irrational, legally indefensible and contrary to the public interest. Yet that’s exactly what’s happening – despite the fact COVID shots can increase infection
Pfizer to Roll Out Omicron Shot in March
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Being unjabbed was so serious a risk for 2 years that these people were tolerated. Now it is so risky they must be fired.
Quo vadis National Hypocrisy Service?
Ad infernum. In a handcart.
I was thinking more of a tumbrel than a handcart, but will settle for either.
It’s about compliance. What this creates is an NHS of staff that will comply to whatever they’re told. You won’t have staff, doctors or nurses that question why something is being done – you’ll get a bunch of mindless sheep that are told this is best for you and to bend over and take it or else.
That sets a very very dangerous precedense for our ‘Health’ service which is only concerned with remedies and not cures because it’s better to keep people locked into the system on drugs than it is to have healthy people that don’t require your subscription.
Yes. By the same token, it creates a cadre of doctors and nurses implacably opposed to covidianism. These will be on our side from now on.
Politicising healthcare will lead to open medical experimentation and probably use of sectioning to silence opposition. Health blackmail will start to increase. The camps are not too far away either.
And a goodly pool of young men awaiting employment.
The regime is punishing those who will not conform to their New Normal, pseudo-medical ideology. Resistors are to be hounded out of employment and then starved into submission.
And if they comply then they will have no compunction about administering poison to the public, just like their brethren in Buckenvald.
And they get to work through the worst months of the winter before they are kicked out, What a truly good man is Javid and his group of friends in the cabinet. I bet not one of them or anyone in their families has to wait to be treated, no get to the back of the queue for them.
Yes, blatantly taken advantage of and tolerated when it suits – then cast aside without so much as a second thought. Absolutely despicable. None of this is forgivable. Ever.
To be replaced with tens of thousands of immigrants. Anybody who cannot see that we are being displaced in our own country does not have their eyes open
Shhh…….people dont want to be reminded of The Great Replacement – brought to you by the same people who gave us the climate scam and the covid hoax.
But it’s a very good way of ensuring our sainted NHS is always under pressure thus keeping restrictions in place
I see it now. They will use the Summer months to try and make up the shortfall with doctors from places like Kenya, having previously pursued policies which led to hunger there.
Or they can keep their job if they get a vaccine for a virus that is now extinct. Yup. That makes sense.
In my job I was ordered back to work immediately. No lockdown and no protection in the beginning (first 6months, not that I care) but now working through 2 years they are discussing vaccine mandates? Seriously?
Very well put!
I want Javid and his ilk to hang.
So Mr/Mrs/Ms Downtick, do you prefer a firing squad?
Missed the drawn & quartered” bit
The kakistocracy are moving East – their protection racket is being moved to Russia and China away from the West, now that theyve transferred all the stolen US weapons and tech property to the East which has been in process for decades. They got the US to do the dirty work in the Middle East, now they are no longer useful and are being brought down and disposed of like used toilet roll. So they are weakening the West by destroying it. And the controlled masses are falling for it. And the treasonous governments, political parties and treasonous institutions are making it a reality.
They own Russia and China too.
I completely agree; as if the madness of CV19 restrictions wasn’t bad enough, especially the mindless, ill thought out lockdowns which have put so much pressure, far greater than patients admitted WITH CV19 symptoms, on NHS staff, causing officially sanctioned absenteeism, senior, experienced medics retiring early and/or reducing their hours because they can “retire early and return”, NOW they want to reduce clinician head count because of their inalienable right ( before anti human rights legislation was enacted) to dictate what happens to their bodies and irrespective if they are CV10 recovered?
If that is not one definition of Corporate Insanity, what is? Or am I missing something in plain sight?
or even CV19…
The ‘reason’ for dismissal, which for staff over 2 years service is required by law to make a dismissal ‘fair’ (as opposed to ‘unfair’) would be that it would not be possible to continue in employment without contravening a prohibition imposed by or under an enactment, i.e. the regulations requiring staff to be so vaccinated. This is a ‘bright line’ as lawyers put it, you are either one side of it or another. See section 98 (2) (d) of the Employment Rights Act 1996 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/18/section/98 The only hope is to challenge the regulations as void, undermining the enactment, which an Employment Tribunal cannot do.
Well found, I was about to enquire of a Union Official friend of mine as to how it could be lawful. Whilst a tribunal may not be able to challenge the regulation, an Appeal Court will be able to and it is likely to be pursued all the way to the Supreme Court.
Also, assuming the dismissal is fair, that does not preclude actions under unlawful deduction of wages due to the notice period being curtailed, which may well include challenging the decision not to pay out Redundancy which is a sanction only appropriate under misconduct proceedings. Unless the formal/ written/ final written warning procedures have been followed to the letter for each individual it is difficult to see how it is lawful to refuse the compensatory payment.
However, only applying the restriction to customer facing roles is also discriminatory and would require justification. Many non customer facing roles will have some contact – receptionists etc which can be referenced to support individual cases. It will be difficult to justify applying the ruling to one section of the NHS and not the others.
Yes, why are the Unions conspicuously quiet in the protection of their members rights?
A bit hard to change tack when your members have demanded all these protections in the name of safety. I don’t imagine it will help membership levels in the long term.
So a judicial review/High Court > Supreme Court case is the remaining option(s)?
Spot on Will. This is utterly disgraceful. I cannot believe the Gov will go through with this, especially when Boris’ very survival (in the short term…as there isn’t a long term) relies on him lifting all restrictions…both inside and outside ‘our NHS’ (god that makes me feel sick!)
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Johnson has murdered tens of thousands of UK citizens- yet he will still get voted back in!
That only ‘front-line’ staff are affected speaks volumes about how much the monstrous NHS bureaucracy has to do with the places they actually run, they can safely work unvaccinated (in the government’s own eyes) since they do not have any meaningful contact with the hospitals (speaks volumes).
It’s not just the “monstrous bureaucracy”. There’s also a huge grey area of NHS clinical staff who are, even now, still being encouraged to work from home. It’s just about plausible that some specialities can, at a pinch, deliver consultations etc. by phone or video link. However, their physical absence from the hospital makes it virtually impossible for the management to redeploy them to support other areas that are struggling and where their expertise could be usefully deployed.
Ironically, in the middle of the current staffing crisis, the Trust where my wife works has announced that all staff will be granted an additional day’s holiday and a £50 shopping voucher, regardless of whether they have actually attended work.
FFS! For what?
The official line is, “No matter how tired we all are both professionally and personally by the impact of the pandemic, the Trust Board have nevertheless witnessed extraordinary efforts from staff: incredible hard work; responding to the need to make changes in almost impossible time frames; flexibility and willingness to work differently or in a different area, and most of all looking out for and supporting each other. This demonstration of the Trust’s behaviours and values cannot help but make us extremely optimistic for the future of the Trust, however difficult circumstances have and continue to be.”
A cynic might suggest that the NHS is currently being flooded with money and this is predictably leading to the usual public service response, i.e. “use it or lose it”!
Wow, £50?? Don’t spend it all at once
My neighbour is an Ambulance Driver…..WFH answering telephone calls!! Work that one out.
and where TOH works, a temporary Covid facility is being built “on campus”; no patients, no staff and unwanted by the Trust, foisted on them by central government…cost, for what is a “tent”, is eye watering but I cannot say more for fear of identifying me and then her (and this info is direct via very senior medic who knows the numbers)
You couldn’t write this in a work of fiction. It’s too far beyond the realms of possibility. Unless it was Science Fiction, possibly, even then it would require a leap into suspension of reality.
Ironically, and I say this as ex-NHS myself so I’ve seen the fuckwits that run it first hand, the NHS bureaucrats – the ones that earn all the money and do fuck all – are usually the fat unhealthy ones that look like shit telling everyone how to run their health, while seemingly never looking in a mirror at themselves and seeing the hypocrisy seeping out of every sweaty pore.
Been there and wear the T shirt…
The hospital where my brother once nursed has nine members of the board plus the Chief Executive and Deputy Chief Executive, plus all their secretaries and other associated clerical staff. This is where the money is creamed off. Several board members are, or were, medical people, the others are nothing to do with health.
This colossal waste of resources is inevitable where you have socialised medicine; everything costs twice as much, outside contractors up their rates for anything to do with the NHS (because it’s a bottomless pit). The simple purchase of a new washing-machine has to pass through so many ‘proccurement’ procedures, that by the time the actual appliance appears the cost has multiplied several times over. The example told to me was a £230 washing machine for which the NHS eventually paid around £1500.
The NHS was doomed to failure from the start, though seemed to work well enough until the pen-pushers and managers began to appear in ever-increasing numbers.
This is the canary in the coal mine. If successful, goes ahead, this will be rolled out to the rest of us who’ve”had a free ride” to regain ‘freedoms’. Look forward to the separate entrance into the supermarket for the undesirables, pragmatic indeed
And the buses?
Boris is working on a follow up to his ‘bendy bus’ with all London buses being replaced with open top tour guide buses. There’ll be a rope ladder for the undesirables to scale.
However, Michael Gove has suggested that this won’t be necessary and “vaccinated” passengers can enter by the driver and “unvaccinated” can use the entrance in the middle of the bus. Both will able to use the same card scanners to tap in and out.
Gove??? God help us, he’ll be in line for PM. It makes me want to campaign to keep Boris in no 10, despite Carrie.
Can anyone explain why the mandate doesn’t require 3 doses? I thought we were all told that 2 doses was useless against Omicron so we had to have 3. Is it because only 60 percent of NHS staff have had 3 doses?
This is something that I can’t understand either. We were told a few weeks ago that two doses of the AZ jab, which I believe was given to over 50% of the population in the first half of last year, is useless against Omicron. It is a viral vector jab. Therefore any third jab ( I refuse to call them boosters) would have to be Pfizer or Moderna.
At the same time, we have also been told that two Pfizer mRNA jabs are not good enough to act against Omicron so a third jab is required. No-one can answer my question as to whether those first in receipt of the AZ jabs will now require three mRNA jabs in order to be “safe” from Omicron.
All the injections have zero ARR efficacy.
Ahh, I see the reason for your confusion — you thought about it. Think not, and be not confused.
Our beneficent leaders are unburdened by the trappings of thought/reason – thus they are able to act swiftly in caring for us.
It really isn’t about health, which is why none of it makes sense. It about a control mechanism to get as many people stamped, approved, and tracked as quickly as possible now. Time is running out for them.
Stop making sense god dammit!
Exactly
It’ll start at two, then they’ll increase it to one a year, or two. Sadly my vaxed up colleagues don’t know what the requirement will be. They may find they’re not very happy about it once they do. I think you’re right, in my hospital the booster dose uptake displayed as a big injection needle on our intranet has sat at 84% for three weeks. That is a lot of people. Interestingly the letter I received on Monday from my hospital informing me that they had no record of my vax status and to update them was also sent to many fully vaxed and boosted colleagues! These people were vaxed by the hospital! It would seem they don’t know! I have long suspected that the uptake statistics are grossly inaccurate.
Far too smart for your own good !!
“Double double, toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble!”
Pfizer chemists mixing Omicron batch
Have to laugh at the overweight nurse giving injection. Not untypical in the NHS. Let’s hope that if they do carry out these ludicrous and disastrous sackings, there are many who will be happy to blow the whistle on what’s been going on, as John O’Looney said recently.
That could be what the govt fears, too many whistleblowers for comfort
I therefore think the govt may be bluffing to get from say 90% to 91%.
Disgusting. Hang your heads in shame NHS. Hang your heads in shame Johnson and Javid.
As a shareholder in the NHS (National Insurance payer) I disapprove of this action in the strongest terms.
I have two family members who will be among those being dismissed. I already know of many that have already left the NHS and will continue to do so. My daughter has now decided to change her career plans and will NOT be pursuing a career in health and social care.
A Government that sinks lower and lower, destroying our society through their repugnant actions and policies. Loathsome.
A GP friend tells me that she and her un-jabbed colleagues are actively planning to set up a private practice. This is an affluent area, so they’ll do OK. It’s the poorer people who will suffer. I predict healthcare will go the same way NHS dentistry did ….. first there will be growth in private “GPs” …. then you won’t be able to get one unless you pay.
It won’t matter if they create their own practice. They will need to be regulated by the CQC and therefore the vax will be a requirement. It won’t be possible to see patients face to face and remain unvaxed. Their only hope is online consultations only. Who would pay for that? They can get that shit in the NHS. I would love this to be possible,but there are no loop holes.
I simply don’t understand how this can be happening! I myself am about to lose my job because I decline to show a negative lateral flow test result every day to go into my workplace.
The UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, which the UK became a signatory to in 2005, states in Article 6.1 (consent):
“Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason WITHOUT DISADVANTAGE OR PREJUDICE.” (my capitals)
We’ve all just got to keep saying no, no, NO.
Actually, the UK did NOT sign the Bioethics Declaration. Too damned inconvenient. That’s been a major blockage to blocking the water fluoridation fanatics’ repeated attempts to force this other form of unpopular mass medication on us all for the past 70 years. The SPI-B psychologists have undoubtedly learned a great deal from that prolonged campaign, which has served as a blueprint for the present Covidian Cult’s mind-bending strategy. Proof? Check out just how deeply fluoridation is embedded in the recent legislation on public health. It’s a central theme in the 2012 Health and Social Care Act, and now a sneeky part of the Health ‘Security’ Mafia’s ‘public health policy’.
Tip of a large iceberg; more third word countries will be plundered for replacements instead of ramping up training for indigenous health wannabes…and the NHS has form as far as reducing training regimes is concerned to my certain knowledge.
The dinghies are bringing in more Care workers and Medical staff apparently, said the rogue government
Let us hasten to the shores. Let us light the torches, and welcome our saviours to the sound of trumpet and saucepan. Rejoice, REJOICE!
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No, partygate was not the beginning of the end.
And if they sack them all, that will be the ‘final demand’?
Clapping to sacking in under 2 years. It reminds me of when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday to a cheering crowd and just 5 days later died at the hands of the same crowd now jeering and baying for his blood. People haven’t changed, it’s why Jesus called us sheep.
Many more are goats than we ever suspected…
The crushing truth.
Lunacy! Absolutely, undeniably lunatic.
I recently learned here about the cull of sparrows in China. What an awful, short-sighted, no-brain, steam-roller ‘fix’ that was. Catastrophic? In the end, words utterly fail.
The beneficient steam-rollers are running amok again. Full-steam ahead and no hand-signals.
And when a zombie gets cancer, he will be sooooo pleased to discover that the specialist has been sacked and the zombie can die in agony to his heart’s content, covid-free.
Cancer is not (known to be) contagious. Hence, the virus paranoics, unselfish as they are, don’t care about it.
After decades of denouncing countries for their segregation policies, here we are setting one up in the UK. For a jab which does not give immunity is not a vaccine, but crucially makes money for shareholders.
To fortify their position, the Big Lie must be reconfirmed. Even though they know it is a lie, and they know we know they know… etc.
On Gov.UK ‘Coercion and Bullying is illegal’, isin’t this what they are doing
Apparently, it’s not bullying when ‘it’s for your own good’.
Oh, coercion and bullying was illegal in the Civil Service but I suffered more than my share of it.
If your face doesn’t fit…
Exactly. In most companies there are so-called “anti-bullying” procedures in place. Funny how that rule doesn’t apply when they suddenly don’t want you anymore. As you say your face really does need to fit.
Patients next?
I guess the Government will allow the illegal migrants to nurse; deliver babies; carry out operations and replace Consultants.
I returned from a protest yesterday and explained to my parents what it was about. They, triple dosed, had no idea this was even a thing that was happening.
General public ignorance (or incuriosity) is what the lizards rely on. They have all the media outlets that reach large numbers.
Most people we talk to in town at our event’s are utterly clueless as to what is going on outside their cosy MSM sphere. When you explain things to them their jaws just hang open. They then either want more info…or they give you their educated response of calling you “cnut”, “w-nker”, pr-ck” and walk off. One got so abusive and angry at just our signs – we hadn’t spoken to him at that point – he walked out into on-coming traffic, and nearly got himself killed.
Fear, pure and simple; I reckon if you present a severe “shock” to people’s self esteem – i.e. their “innate beliefs – which causes them to suddenly realise what they thought, believed in and lead their lives by, is a monumental sham, it is a “Colonel Nicholson” type moment just before the “bridge” is destroyed; they can then only attack the messenger as you describe.
Here is a question. If a Consultant sets up a private practice, and works for a private hospital do they need to be injected? or does the private employer have the choice to decide?
If the answers are yes. Then the Government has by sleight of hand begun to dismantle the NHS and to turn it into a basic, provider of last resort. Many of those who can afford to take out private medical insurance will be able to use the private provider,or even pay as they go.
Job done the NHS monolith is over, reduced to a basic put you back together no frills operation
All cqc regulated premises – which includes private hospitals and clinics require staff to be vaccinated.
It is not just front line staff – it includes anyone who could pass a patient in a corridor.
You’d think they’d be more concerned about having patients in corridors…
They would have to move to Wales or Scotland, where there is (for now) no mandate.
And the race to remove restrictions, all from a wholly health pov off course and NOTHING to do with politics, wash your mouth out for thinking that, is on in Scotlandistan who have nominated the 24th Jan as “Government Humiliation Day”…Herr DrakenFurt is next with the 22nd perhaps….”any advance, I will take two days…”
I would rather be treated by an unjabbed medic than a jabbed one.
At least the unjabbed medic understands health and moral issues better than the jabbed “I was only following orders”.
Never mind the moral issues. What about the logical sort?
‘I was only following orders when I got double-jabbed with something that I don’t understand and hasn’t done what they said it would. And here I go with the booster.’
I couldn’t give a damn if the medic was unjabbed or jabbed. Of no consequence whatsoever. If that were the national attitude, the coup would be toast this evening.
Are they going to double down until March when the Mk II clotshot is ready?
Madness, utter madness.
Many of us are managing to “hold the line” – aided by the fact that we truly believe it isn’t safe.
People are terrified though – majority of nhs workers have done this for many years and they don’t feel trained for anything else.
Some are in dire financial straits and will get jabbed to save their job. Others, like me, are exploring legal action.
It may become a moot point when the NHS is dismantled because they don’t want the numbers or the pensions to come.
I do feel sorry for you. I cannot pretend to understand what you are going through.
Best wishes.
Thank you for standing up to this tyranny. Stay strong, you have so many of us behind you.
If there is any justice left in the world, all those fired should eventually get their jobs back, with backpay, interest, and compensation.
Thank you, thank you, thank you you’re a good and brave person.
May I wish you success – a very brave and principled position; you have no hope of becoming a politician with that attitude…
Just an initial comment, based on the picture put out by the government:
Proof if proof were needed that this is not about protecting the nation’s health, (it never was) because what right-minded, humane government would sack medical workers in the middle of a health crisis?
Unless of course they don’t want to admit that said crisis is over.
However, as we all know, it’s not about what they say it’s about.
I could cry for those being put through this.
I want to see every MP who has voted for this rubbish to put their jab QR codes online, immediately, and if they don’t do so by Feb 1 , they are summarily sacked, no compensation.
Utopia maybe, equitable nature justice, definitely – so it ain’t gonna happen.
So who will we clap next ? Fucking disgusting use of moronic psychology to tell poor people the thing they didnt have to worry about migt be taken away .Unfortunately most people believed it and anyone who disagreed was dismissed and derided.So now ,have a think about that Thursday night clap thing and drown in your own shame for being so gullible.This Covid scam is at an end now but thisdisgusting behaviour by the NHS is utter discrimination on a mass level with no room for smart arse vaccine apologists saying it was their own fault .Your body is your own that can never be changed
How many of us on here would be bothered if we were told we would only be treated by non-injected staff?
Personally, I would think “great, somebody who does some research, somebody who THINKS.”
I would trust non-injected staff over the injected every time.
And if they – including Care Home staff for very obvious reasons – are CV recovered what the fuck anyway…!!!!?
I am one of those staff unfortunately. I feel angry today, very. What is making me angry, aside from the obvious meaningless of this mandate is that none of the management have any answers. I need my dismissal in writing, but I can’t even get verbal confirmation. I need to hand over my work to a colleague. My notice period is two months, will I get it or will the 3rd of Feb pass and we’ll be left waiting. It’s the not knowing that is doing us in. The staffing crisis is real, made much worse by the current swabbing system, many of my colleagues are off with Omricon, all fully vaxxed, most asymptomatic. It is galling having to cover their work knowing I’m out in a couple of months. Also listening to Priti Patel talk about mass overseas recruitment to replace us is sad. We aren’t numbers, we represent experience, committment and often specialised skills that cannot be replaced overnight. It takes at least a year to get an overseas nurse through basic training; a mandatory requirement to transition onto the NMC register, I know this because I am responsible for them as a Clinical Nurse Educator. I wish I shared peoples confidence that this won’t happen but I have worked in the NHS for 20 years and bad, catastrophic decisions are completely likely. Look at the last two years, they shut the NHS to the public without once considering the collateral damage, implementing mitigation etc. The consequences of this are now a tangible, daily reality.
Little point in going on.
I don’t have any advice I’m afraid but just lots of sympathy, I don’t know if that helps at all.
Agree 100%: TOH works in the NHS as career (35 yrs+) non clinical but has daily contact with your clinical colleagues – heard this every day for years – know how “broken” clinical NHS bods like yourself feel, have felt since 2020 but in reality long before that.
All good wishes you get through this; what I find disgracefully amoral, having met some Trust management, is the lack of public kickback from these people – you know better than me that some of these people oppose this 100% but are too self interested to do anything about it.
Stick with it, make the bastards fire you, hold your head high.
There’s also a massive drop in marginal impact on health (slightly reduced no doubt by this hamfisted sacking policy) when medical staff are brought from low-income countries to high-income countries, just because the need in low-income countries is so much greater. The policy will indirectly kill a lot of people in low-income countries.
The fascists driving this won’t give a shit about that – just like they haven’t cared about the impact of their policies on the poor (domestically and abroad) so far.
Quite, I was reading yesterday about Nigeria raising the alarm in regards to the strain on their own health system caused by emmigration to the UK. Maybe I’ll go there. I can still nurse until my registration expires. Could do with a bit of sun and malaria.
Then, take heart, brave Titania, I learn that Ivermectin may be effective against malaria…….https://www.tropicalmedicine.ox.ac.uk/news/malaria-breakthrough-as-scientists-find-2018highly-effective2019-way-to-kill-parasite#:~:text=The%20medication%20worked%20by%20making,mosquitoes%2C%20when%20administered%20to%20huma
Ah yes, black lives apparently don’t matter after all.
Thank you for your courage. All I can say is stay in your sovereignty, and hold your head up with pride. You’re not on your own, this is a fight we are all part of. We’re right behind you.
Thank you. It has been very hard to hold out, not because I worry for my income, a nurse is not well paid, but I feel guilty for abandoning my duty. Then I have to remind myself I am not walking away, I’m being chucked out and that defending my own bodily autonomy may help defend other peoples too. I still feel guilty.
Don’t feel guilty. You have done nothing wrong. You would continue to work, but the powers that be won’t let you.
Leave with pride and dignity. Those that are doing this to you should be the ones to hang their heads in shame.
Thank you, you give me courage.
Agree with Hypathia, do not feel guilty!
You have done absolutely nothing wrong, it is the out-of-control political leaders and the moronic, brain-dead MPs that allow them to get away with their scandalous behaviour.
In the short term people may lose out on care (as they have been doing for 2 years), but in the longer term standing up for all our rights is more important. If they can get away with making people inject an experimental, useless, unsafe drug, what else will they try to get away with?
The Netherlands is short of medical staff and at this point has said no mandates for medical staff or care home staff, precisely because they can’t afford to lose any. They’ve been actively recruiting from next-door Belgium, which has also imposed a mandate. Why don’t you look if there are any opportunities over here?
I think you’re right. I will turn my eye overseas. It may be a wonderful thing in the end. When I have done the right thing in the past it hasn’t been easy but I’ve never regretted it in the long run. Thanks for your kindness, it’s appreciated.
The staffing crisis is real, made much worse by the current swabbing system, many of my colleagues are off with Omricon, all fully vaxxed, most asymptomatic.
Yes. It’s been clear for some time that absences have been running at high levels because of the testdemic.
Only an aim to destroy healthcare can explain these policies, coming from a group of very sinister people.
I would say much of everything has been to do with the testing. Screening a population for an endemic respiratory virus in winter and then sending anyone that is “positive” home is madness. If all routine testing stopped so would Covid. This mitigation system they’ve created to ‘ beat the virus’, itself an impossibility is the pandemic. I can tell you first hand, the measures put in place have caused great harm far outweighing the risk of C19. Oh, don’t get me started!
if it is cathartic for you, DO GET STARTED. As mentioned above , I hear this daily but “we” need to hear from the trenches. I implore you to vent your soul if only to take some pressure off your shoulders – just tell the “truth’ and let other non NHS people know what is really going on from your experience.
Good luck and be brave.
Why didn’t you protest 2 years ago like I did?.I could see this was a psychological operation using Mass Formation to get the juice in your arm.Redbranded flu with Weaponised words and No I don’t want to hear how many people you Nursed died of Cough 19. I Did though watch mass extinction in the Care Home Sector.
I have been, Teddy. As much as everyone else. I go on the marches in London. I have written to my MP, senior management, the PM,my kids school etc. I have also repeatedly called out the actions of my colleagues when their C19 hysteria has compromised our patients care,including the terrible decision to discharge the elderly into care homes in preparation for the surge that never came. I have tried to be the voice of reason and rationalism which has frequently put me at odds with my colleagues. What else should I have done? How about lose my job and ultimately my registration? Not enough yet? This agenda has swept us all along,I haven’t the power to do much else. We have all been made powerless by this, I’m no different. Your anger is totally justified, I feel the same but don’t aim it at me.
They surely must row back on this decision. I can’t see how Johnson could survive such action. I feel the public mood has changed since the crazies announced the policy.
I feel that I will want to be sitting like a Tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine. I have been reading the #theysayitsrare thread on twitter.
The people you want “executed” are keeping their jobs. You’re cheering the removal of those that would respect your autonomy and be the voice of rationalism and balance. Enjoy the entertainment.
I fear you have entirely misunderstood my point. I should have been more clear. I can assure you that the heads I would be grateful to see roll are those who created this insanity, not those who are being fired for it. Believe me when I say that I consider firing unjabbed health care workers to be the most insane thing I have heard, other than forcing children to take unsafe genetic modifications.
“Since consultation began, take-up of jabs by NHS workers had risen from 92% to 94%.”. 94% of what? 10? The use of relative measures to trick the public has been essential since the beginning
Sacking health workers during winter flu/Covid season for not taking a vaccine that does not stop spread is the 21st Century’s version of medieval towns killing all their cats to stop a plague spread by rats.
I caught covid in 2020 as a result of working in our local hospital as a volunteer. I was “sacked” shortly thereafter because I refused to be jabbed.
I have the utmost sympathy to say the least, for the National Covid Service employees who are about to lose their jobs.
This is criminal, but then again so is this bloody Clown World we live in at the moment.
I can assure you though that there are a greater number of unjabbed, especially on the front line, than the bastards in charge would have you believe.
Just more bullshit propaganda.
what do we do now Clap the government?
I’d rather give the Government the Clap
For me, the Government lost its authority and support somewhere around April 2020. Neither it, nor any specious replacement, or deckchair-rearranging, will ever again oblige me to respect or support it.
From that time in 2020 and henceforth, it will forever be “TNBN” i.e. “Trust Nobody, Believe Nothing”.
my guiding principle. nothing after march 2020 can be believed
I expect they wont go through with it
vaccinations will rise from 90% to 91% and whoever runs the nudge unit will get a gong
utterly disgraceful
My daughter is an anaesthetic nurse in a large teaching hospital in North Yorkshire. She’s told me that many are unvaxxed, and if they are double jabbed, the majority are refusing the third dose! I’ve told her that it is my considered opinion, that what she is witness too, is the accelerated controlled demolition of the NHS!
On a related subject, are people aware that Priti Patel has suggested that illegal migrants that have been in the UK for 12 month’s can now apply to work in the care home sector, presumably too replace the good people who were sacked for refusing the cytotoxic jab!!!
I don’t know why the 80,000 don’t all go off sick, now! Give the country an early taster of the impact of losing 6% of staff in one fell swoop!
I’ve emailed my MP. I don’t expect him to take any notice, but it’s important that they cannot claim they didn’t know that there is significant opposition to these fascistic measures.
I have done the same only rot receive very anodyne responses continually supporting “balanced and proportionate measures”….what utter bollocks.
I have put him on notice he faces sanctions and judgment by his actions – and he has been promoted for ramping up the trolling of specialist scientists who have given a very different picture of SARS COV2 etc …….a modern day Felix Derzhinsky and just as morally corrupt.
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The jabs don’t work. The jabs don’t work. They do not work against currently dominant variants. There is no variance between jabbed and unjabbed in terms of infection rates or transmissibility. These mandates CANNOT be legal. why is no one in the courts? Where are the unions?
The courts are corrupt.
If any GPs reading this are considering setting up a private practice, PLEASE consider setting up some sort of site/register where people who would like to have an unvaccinated doctor can find one. I’ve never paid privately for health care, but would give it very strong consideration if it meant I could see a doctor that has left the NHS due to this issue.
Morrisons confirms sick pay cut for unvaccinated staff – BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59902929
Looks like a boycott could be in order! I never liked their pies anyway.
Right.
So that’s Ocado, Next, IKEA and Morrisons to boycott now.
Wouldn’t it be unfortunate if people flushed a load of those colourful expand-in-water beads down their customer toilets ?!
Is there a list anywhere of companies doing this sort of thing? If I know who they are I will avoid giving them any business!
I was accidentally exposed to five minutes of concentrated BBC yesterday. Within that time, the mouthpiece went from downplaying covid as ‘like a common cold now’ to urging teenagers to go out and get a booster. It’s not meant to make sense.
Welcome to the National Hypodermic Service.
Or Nazi Hypodermic Syringe …
Out of hours Doctor in Chichester advises patient over the phone not to receive any more jabs, and that she believes very soon “all of the vaccines will be completely stopped“.
Don’t know what inside info she’s been hearing, but if the Gov are declaring the scamdemic over then emergency use authorisation no longer applies.
I find it very hard to believe that they are going to end it – the rumoured retention of the face-nappy mandate looks very much like a move to try to perpetuate the bedwetting so that they can still claim there’s an emergency. Once there’s officially no emergency my understanding is that they have to stop clotshotting straight away or give the clotshots full authorisation (with the resultant liability issues)
I understand why you say that – however just look at Israel for a failed Covid State….until you remember that lots of Israelis originally come from “oppressive” regimes in the first place..
Thank you – so useful. She sounds eastern european – good for her!
“Save the NHS!” was the persistent bleat of this pernicious government over the last two years. An NHS that exists only in name, it’s services denied to thousands, many dying as a result, whilst they partied on down. We were told to clap the air like obedient seals for our “heroes” (I didnt) who are now being thrown on the scrap heap and SACKED because they refuse to be coerced into taking an medical procedure against their will! And we know this is absolutely nothing to do with health as the so-called vaccines have failed in more ways than one but everything to do with an evil political agenda being rolled out globally by nearly all the puppet governments around the world. I know I’m stating the obvious here but sometimes you need to write the words yourself in order to fully comprehend where we are at now.
Foe once, we’re ahead of you here in Lockdownunder. Queensland’s health authorities are asking the unvaccinated nurses they turfed in 2021 if they’d like their jobs back in 2022.
Victoria, the realm of The Dan Who Would Be King, is showing more ambition and casting the net overseas.
We’re seeking fully vaccinated, skilled international healthcare professionals to join Victoria’s leading public health system. Be among the first to start working by 31 March 2022 and you may be eligible for an International Travel Allowance of up to 2K.
Victoria is the place everybody wants to be, right?
I’m sure Chinese nurses from the PRC will feel right at home in Victoria.
The compulsive vaccinators are so worried because backing off from their plans now would not only mean loss of face, but also that the whole house of cards collapses without the expected “return on investment”.
It is not about today’s situation and this particular wave of the virus, it is about deciding whether or not humanity will have to be routinely jabbed and suppressed in various ways from now on to serve interests of the ruling elites.
Huge future income streams for pharma industry and assorted lobbyists are involved in this game, and they are ready to fight opposition with all means at their disposal. Their hope is to crush down whoever objects once and for all. It’s essentially a power struggle, and the oppressors are defending their newly won positions.
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I hope all those medical staff who have refused the jab stick to their guns and walk out rather than be coerced into taking a vaccine they don’t want that makes absolutely no difference at all to their personal safety and the safety of others – I really do.
This decision to sack unvaccinated medical staff was obviously a political one not scientific and there are times when people must make a stand against this kind of political authoritarianism … this is one of them.
I wouldn’t walk out, you need to get pushed out in order to get any compensation. This should not get through the courts and if it doesn’t you will be in line for a payout. Or perhaps there will be a very late backing down on this policy. Perhaps the policy is being used as a sledge hammer to keep battering away at the unvaxxed – so much for informed consent.
Wrong.
Those who have taken measures to discriminate against the unstabbed are “kneeling on the throats” of others and I seem to recall that that has become quite unpopular just recently.
The NHS must be really in danger of being overwhelmed if they’re firing staff for a moronic reason.
Sorry I didn’t succumb to the Mass Formation that enabled the Criminals to hand out the Jim Jones Juice.Ive heard nothing of Sanctions working occasionally as a Nurse in Wales no letters,warnings or requests.Did really 60k staff loose their jobs in England without an eyebrow raised!.I know of no dismissed unvaccinated staff I’m calling shenigans!.
I did forward my statement to the Met Police ref Sam White and and his associates.Yes it is an National Emergency these modern day Einsatzgruppen units must be closed or burnt down!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhuPd1gX2Oc
I might have been in the cockup or ‘threat to ensure uptake and then withdraw’ scheming camp initially, but this surely now looks like simply being part of the agenda, ensuring crisis and cutting cost in that sector, thereby also reducing the average life expectancy of the plebs even further (the main agenda anyway) and getting an even more obedient remaining workforce.
As a bonus, all this can and will be projected onto and blamed on the ‘selfish’ unvaccinated, of course.
I am afraid you are correct, ”this ain’t no technological breakdown, this is the road to hell”. The Powers that be do not care about losing NHS staff and they do not care that some NHS staff have not had the booster, the objective is clearly to get over a million NHS staff signed up to the vaccine mandate and this mandate is no temporary covid thing, I reckon this is now a mandate for life. We are on the road to digital techno, vaccination orientated health control and they need the NHS fully signed up to this hellish future.
There will be continuing vaccines for this, that and the other and if you are in the NHS you will be signed up to be injected with every one or you lose your job. Indeed as all medical training in the UK is done via the NHS, in future nobody can be trained as a doctor or a nurse unless they sign up for perpetual vaccinations.
And more than that I do not think this will stop with the NHS, first they came for the NHS’ then they came for the teachers, then they came for???????????????
This letter was published in the BMJ then it just disappeared.
K Polyakova Consultant
Dear Editor
I have had more vaccines in my life than most people and come from a place of significant personal and professional experience in relation to this pandemic, having managed a service during the first 2 waves and all the contingencies that go with that.
Nevertheless, what I am currently struggling with is the failure to report the reality of the morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population. The levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented and staff are getting very sick and some with neurological symptoms which is having a huge impact on the health service function. Even the young and healthy are off for days, some for weeks, and some requiring medical treatment. Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get vaccinated together.
Mandatory vaccination in this instance is stupid, unethical and irresponsible when it comes to protecting our staff and public health. We are in the voluntary phase of vaccination, and encouraging staff to take an unlicensed product that is impacting on their immediate health, and I have direct experience of staff contracting Covid AFTER vaccination and probably transmitting it. In fact, it is clearly stated that these vaccine products do not offer immunity or stop transmission. In which case why are we doing it? There is no longitudinal safety data (a couple of months of trial data at best) available and these products are only under emergency licensing. What is to say that there are no longitudinal adverse effects that we may face that may put the entire health sector at risk?
Flu is a massive annual killer, it inundates the health system, it kills young people, the old the comorbid, and yet people can chose whether or not they have that vaccine (which had been around for a long time). And you can list a whole number of other examples of vaccines that are not mandatory and yet they protect against diseases of higher consequence.
Coercion and mandating medical treatments on our staff, of members of the public especially when treatments are still in the experimental phase, are firmly in the realms of a totalitarian Nazi dystopia and fall far outside of our ethical values as the guardians of health.
I and my entire family have had COVID. This as well as most of my friends, relatives and colleagues. I have recently lost a relatively young family member with comorbidities to heart failure, resulting from the pneumonia caused by Covid. Despite this, I would never debase myself and agree, that we should abandon our liberal principles and the international stance on bodily sovereignty, free informed choice and human rights and support unprecedented coercion of professionals, patients and people to have experimental treatments with limited safety data. This and the policies that go with this are more of a danger to our society than anything else we have faced over the last year.
What has happened to “my body my choice?” What has happened to scientific and open debate? If I don’t prescribe an antibiotic to a patient who doesn’t need it as they are healthy, am I anti-antibiotics? Or an antibiotic-denier? Is it not time that people truly thought about what is happening to us and where all of this is taking us?
I am numb with anger at the system, the regime and any state granted authority. I am a nurse in accident and emergency and am against all corrupt shit heads controlling us “the little people” who will be made to hand over our human rights. I’m not jabbed, don’t want to be but I have a family and a mortgage and earn a high income. I’m at a desperate crossroads! Any suggestions?
DONT GET INJECTED. If you accept two shots, next it will a a third, then a fourth and so on. Once you have had two, if you survive, you will think you might as well have one more as the other two were ok. They will keeping experimenting on you until you are dead, sterilised or lobotomised.
If you give in to a bully you will be a victim forever.
‘…Separate local guidance for GPs suggests creating different entrances and exits for unvaccinated staff to avoid them crossing paths with patients’.
What a load of bollox!
As is enforcing an unlicenced treatment / drug of questionable quality as a condition of employment. It is evil and unforgivable. Wicked.
If science can’t be questioned it’s not science anymore. It’s propaganda. They want to rip on people for taking Ivermectin. I researched and saw the evidence on the internet. Research papers are on the internet for those who wants to see. Top respected world doctors are being under defamation by MSM and vaccine manufacturers. I won’t back down recommeding IVM. You can get yours by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com
The government has shot itself in the foot with this utterly nonsensical, never mind immoral, policy.
Never mind illegal, too. vaccine coercion is illegal.
Why has the author of this piece not mentioned the Purple Ribbon Group of NHS staff that have formed to refuse to accept the killer vaccines?
Can’t see them backing down because of the care workers that have already been fired. They would all need to be reinstated.
Vax-apartheid is here to stay.
Even the Minister referred to Immunity months ago.. Yet policy continues to ignore this key factor in individual risks of contracting or spreading the coronavirus. Several studies show immunity from vaccinations is becoming useless (as opposed to natural immunity which is adaptable to new variants) – yet vaccinations and boosters remain hard policy.
A NHS nurse requires years of expensive training and may have immunity from acquired infection – yet the govt is willing to throw the NHS into chaos because of ….I have no idea what…!!!!
CLOWN WORLD
is it madness, folly or a deliberate act. I’m starting to think the latter.
Maybe the Medical staff should just refuse to inject their co workers. Whatever happened to logical thinking. I have always avoided the NHS as I have seen a real change in their training. There is no encouragement to use their eyes or their initiative.
I also think all those staff who have made a personal decision not to be jabbed should start working together to create an alternative to the Union/Government run disaster that calls itself NHS.
Where is the analysis of the impact on patient care of this deranged (and illegal) measure? How many patient’s lives will be saved by removing the infectious threat from un-jabbed staff (who are not more infectious than jabbed staff) and how many lives lost due to disrupted or cancelled treatment, extended waiting times? Has the NHS management even thought in these terms? It would appear not. They are hell bent on a doctrinal, jabbed-good,-unjabbed-bad policy.
Meanwhile, the jabs don’t prevent infection or spread, and wane away to complete inefficacy in 6 months.
By the autumn, will the NHS be firing staff who are not quadruple jabbed?
Interestingly the comments in the Telegraph are closed.
Very depressing indeed. I don’t want to lose my job, as it is vital for my department, but I won’t have the so called jab.
If not to the BillZeBub-funded health-editors’ liking, DT Comments get ‘fixed’ so that only the author can see them. I was going to cancel my sub anyway, but that was the decider.
We owe those standing up to the policies of an increasingly totalitarian government a great debt.
When these covid mandates are made, they go into effect immediately. When they are ended we have to wait weeks to get our lives and freedoms back. Anyone else had enough of this bs? I have. See you at the weekend.
So once injected a vaccinee can contract and transmit the virus they were “vaccinated” against. As a matter of fact, data coming out looks like vaccinees are more at risk for omicron? Why are healthcare workers being forced to get these vaccines? Why would they lose their job for not taking something that puts them at higher risk? It simply makes no sense. Something smells bad here. Anyone else smell it?
There’s also the heightened risk, estimated by Rr Robert Malone to be a factor of 4 or 5, of vaccine injury for the naturally immune, those who have had cvd19 and recovered.
I simply do not understand how people can be sacked for this if taking a medical procedure was not part of their original work contract.
It’s beyond outrageous that an UNLICENSED and experimental drug can be forced upon people.
Or does the Coronacircus Act legalise these things?
Where is the evidence that Covid infections in hospitals are caused more by unvaccinated than vaccinated staff? There doesn’t appear to be any. I suspect also that ethnic minorities will be disproportionately impacted by these sackings. Once they are removed no doubt our precious NHS will bleat on about it being overwhelmed and needing increased resources. It is interesting that when we were called on to go outside to clap for carers, the slogan was thank you NHS ie intended to include all the bureaucrats and hangers on. It really is a horrible Stalinist institution
That expression ‘standing on the shoulders of others’ when referring to unvaccinated NHS staff is very strange in this context. It implies that the vaccinated must be in some way disadvantaged as they are ‘carrying’ the unvaccinated? Surely the ‘fully vaccinated’ are the ones who are ‘completely safe’ and the unvaxxed are the dangerous ones? His turn of phrase here inadvertently suggests that being unvaxxed is actually a safer and more desirable thing – but then, what would we expect from such an intellectually challenged individual……
I’m just utterly disgusted at this. These people worked when there was no jab and were hailed as heroes. Now they are going to lose their jobs based on no science and based on a disgusting immoral act by this government that is shilling for big pharma. I cannot put in to words my disgust although I have tried to in an email to my MP for what it’s worth.
The thing that disgusts me the most is that I think MPs think they are following “the science” and is acting ethically when he is acting against the science and most definitely against sound moral principles.
Where are the moral leaders! Take an experimental drug with a questionable safety record with no liability for the manufacturer or lose your job is not full and informed consent – that is coercion plain and simple.
This is symptomatic of gross societal decay that this could even be framed as a moral act.
Got to keep up the pretence that these jabs are effective and don’t have side effects. The medical profession has not covered itself in glory in the last two years, collaborating in this unethical medical experiment and coercion. Why do they think so many have resisted being jabbed? Could it possibly be that they have seen and treated those with the short term side effects with long term side effects yet to come? Jabbit knows he’s talking nonsense witnessed by the fact he had no reply to offer to Dr James who challenged him on TV a week or so ago
Can anyone tell me why there are not class actions taking place against this mandate? It’s extreme coercion, which is illegal under the Nuremburg code. Why are hospital staff seemingly just accepting these dismissals? I think someone should inform Sunak that this is not the way we do things in England, as it’s possible he doesn’t know, not being a native of these shores…
I’m ashamed and demoralised to say that I have to have my first dose of the ‘clot shot’ tomorrow.
I work for an organisation that is regulated by the Care Quality Commission and has no choice but to invoke the Government’s fascist diktat.
I have, however, had it added to my personnel file that this jab was against my free will.
Unfortunately, I still have a mortgage and am in my 60s in an area where employment is notoriously hard to come by. Therefore I can’t afford to lose my current role.
I have instructed my wife to take legal action against my employer should the gene therapy have adverse effects.
I will be contacting my employer’s chief executive to see whether or not he knows that this policy contravenes the Nuremberg Code.
I look forward to a Mussolini and Clara Petacci outcome for the ‘Fat Dictator’ and ‘Princess Nut Nuts’
My father fought against this bollocks between 1939 and 1945 and I’m just glad that he’s not here to see this country become a fascist dictatorship.
This has to be one of the most detestable things this government has sanctioned. Any sympathy one might harbour for Johnson as he faces possible loss of his job is totally missplaced. I’ll never forgive these sods if this action goes through.
According to the German Health Minister: “No one is vaccinated against their will. Even compulsory vaccination leads to voluntary vaccination at the end.”
I think what he is trying to say is ‘We have ways of making you ‘volunteer’…’
https://twitter.com/argonerd/status/1483889203360550916?cxt=HHwWiMC-xcrX6pcpAAAA