Uh-oh, now they’re trying to redefine the word ‘endemic’ in a way that moves the end of the emergency even further away.
Paul Nuki, of the Telegraph‘s Gates-funded Global Health Security team, has written a piece pushing this agenda (though to be fair to Bill Gates himself, last week he said Covid is now becoming like flu, an endemic disease). Here are some excerpts, with my comments interpolated in boldface.
Christina Pagel, a Professor of Operational Research at University College London, notes that “a virus isn’t endemic just because a Government minister says it is and just because people want it to be”. [Note that Prof. Pagel is a mathematician with no medical training.]
“The current pattern of waning vaccination, new immune evasive variants, and minimal public health response seem set to doom us to massive surges once or twice a year”, she tweeted last week. [A seasonal respiratory virus then.]
Dr Helen Salisbury, a senior GP and Oxford academic, added that people may regret talking about Covid becoming endemic as a good thing. “TB and smallpox were once endemic in the UK – it doesn’t mean mild, it just means widespread”, she warned. [But Covid, and particularly Omicron, is mild.]
So what does it really mean for a disease to become endemic and where do we stand as regards SARS-CoV-2?
Francois Balloux, a professor of computational biology at University College London, was one of the first to talk about Covid becoming an endemic disease and says, “in retrospect, we epidemiologists should have come up with a tighter definition”.
He says the common dictionary definition of the word – a disease regularly found among people in a particular area – is misleading. For epidemiologists, the term is more technical and relates to a virus’s reproduction value settling at around one.
“Essentially it means that things are kept in check up to a point by the immunity in the population”, says Prof Balloux. “There is a stability and a predictability to an endemic pathogen but the complication is that they can still go up and down”. [So is it stable and predictable or not?]
Influenza is a good example. Its seasonal waves are largely predictable and kept in check through a mixture of natural immunity, vaccines and behaviour change. [Flu being endemic and ‘kept in check’ has nothing to do with vaccines or behaviour change. Vaccines probably reduce the death toll but it was endemic and ‘kept in check’ before vaccines came along. And what has behaviour change got to do with anything – when did anyone change their behaviour during a winter flu wave, besides possibly staying at home when unwell?]. There are good years in which it kills very few and bad years where it can dangerously stretch health services. …
Adam Kucharski, an Associate Professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, thinks it may take longer for things to become predictable.
He notes the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 may not yet have settled into a gentle foreseeable drift, where each new variant comes from a known lineage. Omicron didn’t emerge from the Delta lineage and Delta didn’t emerge from the Alpha, Beta or Gamma lines, he says.
“I suspect we’ve still got a period of uncertainty before we can predict the coming years with any confidence”, he told the Telegraph. “Covid evolution might pause in an Omicron-shaped corner for a while, or Omicron might give rise to another variant, much like we’d see for seasonal coronaviruses and flu, or we could see another evolutionary surprise”. [When did evolutionary predictability become a condition of being endemic? Flu is not predictable, which is one reason the vaccines are hit and miss. Indeed, Dr. Kucharski admits the endemic coronaviruses and flu virus themselves give rise to new variants, so why should this exclude SARS-CoV-2 from being endemic?]
For now, Omicron cases appear to be plateauing in parts of the U.K. On Saturday, Dr Susan Hopkins, the UK Health Security Agency chief medical adviser, said the number of infections were flat in London and the South East and rising only slowly now in the North. [Plateauing? Rising? Plummeting more like, including in the North. This is a flat-out inaccurate description of the current state of the outbreak.]
“All of that means we are seeing a slowdown in the number of admissions to hospital but they are slowing down rather than reversing”, she said. [The number of Covid patients in hospital and ICU has been declining for some days now – anyone can see this on the Government Covid dashboard.]
With hospitalisations still running at over 2,000 a day and most regular NHS business still on hold, Dr Hopkins will be hoping SARS-CoV-2 becomes endemic in the UK at a somewhat lower level than it is today. [We’re at the peak of the winter wave of a seasonal respiratory virus, what a ridiculous thing to say; of course it will not remain endemic at this level.]
Otherwise, as the US Centers for Disease Control suggests, we may be needing yet another new word. “Hyperendemic refers to persistent, high levels of disease occurrence”, it notes. [Well yes, if a virus was to persist at its winter peak level throughout the year that could be a problem. But it doesn’t, so we don’t need a new scary-sounding term to refer to it, thank you very much.]
There’s no need to over-complicate this. Flu is endemic. By endemic we mean like flu, so we can go back to normal. Covid is now like flu. Next topic.
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Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
The fate of all mankind I see is in the hands of fools.
Epitaph – King Crimson 1969.
I abandoned my own comment when I read yours. Nothing further need be said.
Crisis garden! You messaged me but it says I’m not allowed to reply – do you know if I have to activate something?
I’ll send another one with my email address, others have also had problems replying…
Fabuloso!
The purpose of the email thing is that “we” cannot contact each other directly – you have to break down your email address like joe blow at hot mail dot com to get it – however, do you really want to have someone connect directly with you if you don’t know what they really want and these contacts can be very addictive, so be very careful what you give up, which might later come back to haunt you.
Lyrics by Pete Sinfield.
Who later wrote lyrics for Bucks Fizz…..
Everyone is allowed an off day!
That’s hilarious – King Crimson/Bucks Fizz…
I used to have his album ‘ Still ‘
Like a bit of Crimson – the only acceptable prog band
C’mon, how about Gentle Giant ?
Saw G.G. twice in the 70’s. Fab band
Arrest them and cut off their limbs with a penknife.
I have seen someone scalped with a blunt penknife.
Not nice.
The Scout movement isn’t what it was
Covid is a disease of the English language.
What else has been ‘redefined’ by the Oceania Government? ‘Vaccines’ ‘anti vaxxers’ and obviously ‘restrictions’ being rebranded as ‘protections’
any other ‘double speak’ that I have forgotten?
“case”
Brilliant contributions Lovely Girl. Thank you.
“government”?
“Party Leader.”
Yes but it was a work party, and they have to have a bit of cheese and wine to keep them going.
“This is a work event”!
‘This is a work event’: Boris Johnson lookalikes party outside No10 (msn.com)
Hey, if that Party party who stood in North Shropshire stand in the next by-election, they may be mistaken for the “Conservative” party! (I note that Harman’s MP husband Jack Dromey who died recently died of one of those “short illnesses” too – one has to wonder…).
Great shouts HP!
“science”?
“reason to live”?
“Opposition”?
‘attractive’. According to ‘research’ widely reported yesterday, it now means ‘wearing blue plastic face pants’.
The weird fetishes that will come from this shambles…
Knickers then?
boom!
“solidarity”?
Healthy?
Pandemic.
Acquired immunity. (Later reversed)
Yes!!
Essential?
The social contract.
Expert
The piss
Journalism
The science
Safe
Common sense
Party!
chilling.
Clinical trial
Irreversible
“Immunity” can now only happen through “vaccination” not naturally!
‘Woman’, ‘Man’
Bravo everyone! I had forgotten half of these. Just proves how insidious all this has become.
‘First they steal the words, then they steal the meaning’
Didn’t they do that in an Orwell book?
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I want one of those!
Here you are, cheap and cheerful on eBay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/173792850387
“Not worth reading in full.”
Touche! The Telegraph’s “Global Health Security team” does seem in serious need of flushing.
Over the past few years we have certainly had the lesson rubbed in that there is no depth the modern US sphere journalist or editor will not sink to. in pursuit of money or of “respectability”.
There should be an accounting.
Gates money in, Gates garbage out!
Fuck off…..Redefine that.
Fuck off – we’re done
I recommend everyone to read Real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr. On chapther 3 he explains how Ivermectin could have saved 80 percent of deaths Worldwide. This book have opened my eyes. I now know that, 90% of all medicine is not for anything else than profit for them. Low profit and effective medicines are bashed and marketed as ineffective because they go against their narrative and profit plans. One of them is wonder drug Ivermectin. I see that everyday people search for it but can’t find a place to obtain. You can get yours by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com
google searches for ivermectin have fallen rapidly.ivmpharmacy are just after money.
It’s ironic that Merck are the maker of the new ‘wonder anti/viral drug having downplayed the potential benefit of ivermectin which apparently they also make. Profit before principles,
If there was money to be made from nettle sting cures, you can be sure that dock leafs would be smeared.
Merck?
Search online for references to Vioxx.
They have form like all BigPharma companies.
Flu vaccines probably reduce the death toll but it was endemic and ‘kept in check’ before vaccines came along.
The idea that even conventional vaccines improve on natural immunity and save lives needs to be challenged. See the review of how harmful vaccines are by Ray Obomsawin at:
https://pennybutler.com/vaccine-lies-forever/
The rise and fall of polio were linked to neurotoxic pesticides such as DDT. Measles incidence plummeted long before the vax program. Scurvy fell in tandem with measles (whooping cough likewise), showing the importance of diet/vitamin C. TB vaccines increased the incidence of the disease. Likewise cases of mumps, chickenpox, whooping cough and measles outbreaks were all chiefly among those vaccinated for the diseases.
Influenza is discussed around 50 mins into the lecture.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10404159/DR-MICHAEL-MOSLEY-vaccine-immunity-better-natural-immunity.html …… Yet more jab propaganda.
This book
I wonder if the EU has got around to banning lime juice from being marketed as “preventing scurvy” yet?
The natural stuff is banned but the pasteurised, bottled stuff is superior anyway so that’s passed.
He’s consistent, is Paul Nuki, consistently Branch Covidian.
Spot on, That the DT accepts Gates funding for this kind of stuff speaks volumes!
Don’t “be fair” to Billy Gates.
These people will torment you without end if you keep complying and fail to stand up to them.
They are bullies.
This is how its done …
“Ya f*ckin brownshirt!”
Must watch …
https://gettr.com/post/poidzle63c
Classic! You’re right, we need more people speaking up like that. Smash their feet off clay and they crumble.
Thats brilliant! And nice to see some positive news coming out of Canada for once!
Too many people were in torment anyway, the levels of mental health problems have been frightening for years, that’s why they were able to pull this off. Communities with a healthier outlook on life such as the Amish would be more immune to all this nonsense.
Thank you Dr Will for your clinically acerbic take-down of this Orwellian BS.
Wow, we’ve got a new ‘flu.
Whuflu.
Paul Nuki has consistently pushed for lockdowns and restrictions. If this man is funded by Bill Gates, then the Telegraph should make that fact clear. To be fair, the Telegraph overall is lockdown-sceptic and Paul Nuki sits very uncomfortably within its columns. Even so, it is regrettable that this man is still given space to publish his doom-mongering. People are waking up to the power exerted by the CCP; they should also wake up to the malign influence exerted by Bill Gates.
Just watching ‘Dopesick’ on Disney, parallels the current situation pretty well, big pharma with the FDA in it’s pocket. Looks like it’s been like this for a long time
They’re playing with semantics.
All that matters is whether there’s risk and whether there’s anything that you can do about it.
Except for a brief spell in early 2020 we’ve known for ages that the risk is low for those aged <65 and not obese, we’ve known since summer 2021 (earlier if you bother to look at Sweden) that most social interventions are ineffective, and we have a good idea right now that the vaccines are too flawed to be used as a disease control measure (although governments worldwide are desperate to keep the population naive to this).
I suggest that we might as well live with it from this point on — just get things back to normal (the old normal, not some dystopian ‘new normal’).
Not one single NPI had at its heart the protection of public health, in fact NPI’s were unilaterally intended to undermine the nation’s physical and mental health.
I cancelled my subscription just over a week ago as I had had enough of Nuki and his ilk along with having had one of my comments be branded misinformation when I was stating that, contrary to the regurgitated Zoe press release, epidemics never grow exponentially. I had complained about the misinformation and am still waiting a response.
Anything they’re not redefining?
I suppose they’ll still tell us they’re setting the threshold very high. Lying blighters.
There was never a fucking PANDEMIC! Where was the excess adjusted all cause mortality for 2020? EH! EH! There was none ya fucking fruit loops…
Cretinously stupid?
Malevolenty disingenuous?
Or just fucking EVIL, which one are you?
Basically ‘endemic’ means no EUA for the clotshots so ‘pandemic’ it will remain.
March 2020 – Fauci & friends
2nd column on the first page – covid may ultimately be more akin to a severe case of seasonal flu
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?articleTools=true
Huuuge protests I see across Europe!!!
Anyway, to comment on this, the Telegrpah is a bit of a Johnson fan-boy gazette isn’t it. Never like it. Were totally clueless on Brexit matters too (like all papers)
We now have a pandemic of bullshit….
Always worth a reminder. FOI request to ONS
2020 – Deaths of under 65s with no pre existing conditions, attributed to the plague – 1549
2021 – Q1 – 1560
Q2 – 153
Q3 – 512
And for over 65s its 7851 in 2020 and 5746 in first 3 quarters of 2021. Hardly world ending.
So not only are the numbers small, they unsurprisingly dont seem to show any vaccine benefit.
In 2015, 787 died from falling down stairs.
Fear not. Boris will see through this bullshit and declare the panic over…
…won’t he?
I’ll be right on it!
There has to be, somewhere in this land, someone who is able to stand up to all this bollocks and simply put an end to it. Past generations had their man or woman of the moment; we need ours. Our current political leadership (cough cough) is riddled with craven, self-aggrandizing, bought-and-paid-for morons with an eye only on their tax-payer-funded pensions. Is there no one who will raise their arse above the parapet and fart in the globalists’ general direction?
Pagel is an iSAGE zero covid nut
Ignore
Francois Balloux alleges the common dictionary definition of endemic is misleading. What absolute arrogance – the dictionary definition of ‘arrogance’ in this context: “an insulting belief that everyone is very much dumber than you”.
I can imagine the way these arrogant gits think. The government sees that COVID-19 is fast losing the terrorist power it held over the people for the last two years. But worse than this, they saw that people were getting angry, very angry, at all the blatant lies they’ve been told.
Our Rulers saw that they’d have to roll-back a little, but no way would the controlling Cabal allow a return to pre-plandemic normality. They need to keep their COVID-19 terrorist weapon in their arsenal, so they can unleash it at opportune times to keep the plebs inline.
So, our Rulers ordered underlings like Balloux to rebrand COVID-19 in such a way that it made the government look like it successfully managed the pandemic, but to also keep it (COVID-19) lurking in the background as an existential threat, that could be let loose periodically to threaten the proles.
Then the race was on. Balloux, first out of the stalls, looked at ‘pandemic’ and thought about how every pleb in the kingdom now knew its meaning, or at least knew it was something they needed to hide from. Then Balloux had a brainwave. “Endemic” materialised out of a black cloud right in front of his eyes.
Balloux knew this was a sign from Molech, so he racked his academic brains and did some research. After two days of perfect hand eye coordination, whilst he simultaneously operated a pair of split-screen search engines on each of two separate computers, he was led where Molech had pointed to.
He found this headline on a news site:
“Eureka,” shouted Balloux. Then he ran naked down Whitehall yelling: “The dumb proles can’t tell the difference between paediatrician and paedophile”.
Read this and roll on the floor laughing:
Then Balloux breathlessly told Boris, “The plebs won’t know the difference between ‘endemic’ and ‘pandemic’. If from now on we call it an ‘endemic,’ the proles will sense a change, feel a change, but won’t psychologically experience a change. Because ‘pandemic’ will remain embedded in their minds through our constant use of the word ‘endemic’”.
“By Aeolus … ‘endemic’ will be halfway around the country before the definition of ‘pandemic’ has a chance to get its pants on,” Boris surely answered. Then he probably invited Balloux, his latest favourite sycophant: “Come to the garden, Aeolus is fanning the flames of the barbecue, and you, Carrie and I shall sacrifice a goat in thanksgiving to Molech”.
As to be expected in a kingdom not yet fully erased of individuality, plebs like Will Jones brazenly come along and throws a fly in the ointment by informing citizens that from time immemorial the common flu has been an endemic disease in the UK.
But Molech’s archdemon appears to Balloux and instructs him to dismiss the truism that endemic diseases are a naturally occurring cycle of life on this planet, by claiming that all English dictionaries are spreading disinformation.
Are Paul Nuki’s articles paid for? All I can say is that I hope that he reads DT readers comments about his regular pieces and takes note!
Yes another Sage loon who wants to keep this going looking on Wikipedia ”Christina Pagel is a German-British Mathematician and Professor of Operational research at University College London” ”She is the first female director of the Clinical Operational Research Unit (CORU) so all flu viruses mutate to become less deadly , or mutate to a cold so what,
still as long as it is still around some will argue for Zero Covid a terrible policy and would kill the country and economy and thousands of people she is a Mathematician not a doctor Scientist or virologist why Mention this is this not suppose to question the Covid lockdown vaccines for all narrative , of course I believe Covid to be real and dangerous for some elderly obese people not the rest of the population .
I think it has about the same fatality ratio of flu 000.02 percent yet so many healthy people who get a cold or runny nose test themselves , in fact I know colleagues who have been double jabbed or Triple and have test themselves almost most days and still wear filthy masks and social distance, and hardly ever go out to cafes shops restaurants says it all about the vaccine so much for vaccinate the old and vulnerable and get back to normal
Time to move on from covid still we should of done that two years ago quarantined the old and vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with it.
No face masks are not attractive , and no real woman or man wears one or finds appealing Woman finds a man in a mask sexy or appealing according to Cardiff University women find men in blue Surgical masks more attractive what absolutely tosh , I find woman beautiful sexy gorgeous woman with abs so unattractive in masks, and Yes I am a woman aged 29 not a lesbian just saying they are dehumanizing and suppose to stop us being social creatures to keep us apart so where I live people wear them in the fresh air out on their own grown men alone in their Couples with children in Tottenham North London most young healthy people wear them in the fresh air.
I do not understand wearing masks outside with five people coming your way in the fresh or the Couple I saw running in their masks last Saturday Cringe God do these people think Rona can get them anywhere in the fresh air how dumb can you be You are a special kind of Stupid .
Saw this online – everyone vaccinated now non human, owned under patent by the vaccine maker and can’t own anything: December 8, 2021 by Dr. Ariyana Love
Link Here: HUMANS https://ambassadorlove.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/covid-19-patent-horrors/
Don’t believe everything you read online.
Can we all see through the bs now? Please COVID never existed, simple m move on
But no we won’t as the Great reset is not s conspiracy theory, there is a group of elite looking to maneuver the world and create division and it is so obvious but we won’t believe it, why not? Because it so terrible how could something that bad ever happen? Because it has always been happening….
Good article but I question the point about the Flu vaccine. The variation in mortality each year being a function of virus mutation versus match to the vaccine. A complex, contingent explanation. Or the variation a noisy natural phenomena independent of vaccination, because it does not work. Occam’s razor says the latter. Look at Flu mortality before and after 1978 in the US and 2000 in the UK, when mass vaccination started: there is no change, no downward trend, just noise. The CDC conceded this in a major study in 2018, though the answer, inevitably, was pour more good money after bad on ‘better vaccines’.
I agree, it’s all about creating/keeping us under there control. How else can these “experts” justify their high profiles, fees and lifestyle.
The people quoted are right that there isn’t a very good definition of an ‘endemic’ virus, but their attempts to come up with one are pathetic – e.g. that it must have an R value close to 1. If that were true, colds and flu wouldn’t spread in the winter!
So it seems that the reason why there isn’t a tight epidemiological definition for ‘endemic’ is that the so-called experts aren’t up to the task.
The flu analogy works nicely, though, so let’s stick with that.
Agreed – I’d go a step further and say “when R hits 1 in normal transmission conditions“.
I’d argue we hit it in May 2020. They weren’t normal transmission conditions, but it was close enough, because lockdowns aren’t very effective and infections were already declining in April.
Yes, but I disagree that “Covid is now like flu”; actually Covid is now like a cold!
I am putting epidemiology into the same category as economics now, a, totally unjustified over-confident, pseudo-science.
With both being on their way to descend even further, into the same category where astrology and gender studies are currently positioned, although that assessment might be too harsh on astrology.
you might consider putting climate “science” in that category too !
Have they renamed it neverendemic
I like the “Not worth reading in full”!
A excellent article Will Jones just got back from a vegan Brixton Walkabout it was nice to meet up go around Herne Hill and go around Brixton Market great to get some vegan food , still depressing to see people in masks outside in the fresh air , yes not sure what I was getting at , Covid is like the Flu it mutates to a cold .