Some Healthcare Workers Have Pre-existing Immunity to Covid, Study Finds

Researchers identified a group of healthcare workers who did not become infected during the first wave. They found evidence of pre-existing T-cell immunity, suggesting that not everyone is equally susceptible to Covid.

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The question of whether some people have pre-existing immunity to Covid has been with us since the early days of the pandemic. Many scientists initially assumed there would be little or no pre-existing immunity. After all, SARS-CoV-2 was novel, highly infectious virus that appeared well adapted for human transmission.

However, in the spring of 2020, scientists began to report cross-reactive T-cell activity in people who hadn’t been infected with the virus, and – in some cases – in those who hadn’t even been exposed. However, it remained unclear whether such T-cell activity played any role in immunity.

Were individuals with cross-reactive T-cells less likely to become infected? Were they less likely to get seriously ill, conditional upon being infected? We simply didn’t know. Some even speculated that T-cell activity might predispose to more severe disease…

Evidence is now emerging that T-cell activity does play a role in immunity. In a recent study, Chinese scientists studied Covid patients and their close contacts who did not become infected. They observed “significant levels of SARS-CoV-2-specific memory T-cell immunity” in the uninfected contacts, hinting at a role for T-cells in staving off infection.

In a separate study, the same group of scientists studied Covid patients who experienced varying degrees of disease severity. They found that activation of two types of T-cell was “strongly and inversely correlated” with the severity of disease. One caveat is that their sample comprised only 12 people.

The most convincing evidence to date comes from a recent study published in the Nature by a team of British scientists. Leo Swadling and colleagues followed 700 healthcare workers in London for 16 weeks during and after the first wave of the pandemic.

They identified a subset of participants who had never tested positive for Covid and were seronegative at week 16. They then matched these individuals by age, sex and ethnicity to participants who had been infected by week 16. They also matched them to healthy adults who’d been sampled before Covid began circulating.

What did the researchers find? The seronegative participants had SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cells that were “comparable in breadth” to those of participants who had been infected. What’s more, participants’ T-cells were higher in “magnitude and breadth” than those of the healthy adults sampled before the pandemic.

These findings strongly suggest (but do not prove) that some healthcare workers were protected against infection by pre-existing T-cell immunity.

One of the study’s authors, Francious Balloux, noted that the “ability to control infections through pre-existing T-cell immunity likely stemmed from constant pre-pandemic low-level exposure of HCWs to endemic coronaviruses”. If he’s right, than pre-existing T-cell immunity might be much less common in the general public.

Professor Balloux also cautioned that “X-reactive T-cell immunity may not be sufficient to control infections by the more aggressive α/δ strains”. (Recall that the study was based on data from the first wave, before Alpha, Delta or indeed Omicron had emerged.)

While more research is clearly needed, evidence suggests that pre-existing immunity to Covid has been underestimated. This is consistent with what scientists like Sunetra Gupta (co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration) have been arguing since last year.

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bowlsman
bowlsman
4 years ago

It’s obviously so, always has been. Anyone with a brain would already know this.

marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

Why is it impossible for anyone to get a T cell spot antibody test? It was developed right her in the UK at Oxford, but we cannot have a test? Why?

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

It is actually possible if you shell out with an organisation that deals with it. I had it done quite recently, with the lab work done by Oxford Diagnostic Laboratories, 143 Park Drive, Milton Park, Abingdon, Oxfordshire OX14 4SE, via a clinician who was prepared to do it, sending off a couple of test tubes of my blood to them.

Strictly, T-cells are not actually antibodies, but they are kind of memory cells for longer term use.

Less government
Less government
4 years ago

This article doesn’t do justice to the evidence and knowledge that existed at the start of the pandemic. Indeed, it is a scandal that pre-virus immunity was deliberately suppressed and ignored in order to justify much of the draconian and unnecessary restrictions.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago

Well of course they bloody do, as do the rest of us.

Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago

If it helped justify state control, the Earth does not rotate and the sun does not appear in the mornings – so shut up and bend over.

RW
RW
4 years ago

Each and every study quoted in this article is unadultered Corona propaganda, of the usual we don’t know that, we don’t really know this, it could possibly be that kind and, it order to complete the circle even it could be completely different for variant … !!!

People who died of AIDS died because the level of T4 cells in their bodies kept falling until their immune system couldn’t defend them against common colds etc anymore. A corona expert who – in 2021(!) – claims that it would be unknown if T cells are involved in the immune system or even, that their involvement could cause more severe disease is lying to the degree of claming that gravity causes things to fall upward and that the sun is dark and cold.

Would you please take note of that, Mr Carl? Otherwise, I will henceforth accuse you of intentionally distributing Corona propaganda of the most ridiculously invented kind. At some point in time, assumption of innocent error don’t make sense any more.

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Medical clinics and hospitals in USA are denying life-saving Ivermectin medicine even with court orders. Big Pharma doing all that they can to push the vaxx and inoculate us while effective and cheap COVID cures exist. There turns out to be censorship that we have never seen before for those who are looking for these treatments. We say over and over again that indepenedent researchers found Ivermectin safe and very effective for these Flu-Corona symptoms. Getting Ivermectin is easy https://ivmpharmacy.com

Churchman
Churchman
4 years ago

We all had something before the scare began, but after I visited an elderly lady in a ward full of elderly ladies all coughing fit to burst. Government tests show no antibodies, but why not t-cells? We’ve not run away scared from life, and none of us have been ill since.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago

And yet again – expert tells grandma what she already knew.

Leo Albert
Leo Albert
4 years ago

The genetic markers of resistance to Sars2 will differ from one person to another, even among healthy adults. That was observed in official UK reports on Flu epidemics in the 1950s and probably applies equally to any other kind of respiratory virus.

Victory Gin
Victory Gin
4 years ago
David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Liars! All of them!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Of course they do.

So Javid will sack them and wreck the Healh Service if they legitimately refuse to be forced to accept the now ineffective and increasingly exposed as potentially dangerous jab.

We need a change of politicians and we need the European Human Rights Convention and the Nuremberg Code brought into play against this Government.

Coercing or forcing an injection against the expressed will of the individual concerned is listed as a ” Crime Against Humanity”. Where are the Courts?

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

“wreck the Healh Service”

Cough. That moment passed long long ago. Covid simply the nail in the coffin. So to speak

Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago

Well done BBC. Their “Health and disinformation reporter” (I’m pretty sure that stupid job title didn’t exist pre-covid) has done a “fact check” on Dr Steve James who challenged Javid the other day: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59929638
And, well I never! The BBC knows better than an NHS Critical Care Consultant who has been working with Covid patients since the beginning of the “pandemic”. Feckers.

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

It looked staged to me, unless anyone would argue Sky is not controlled media.

It had the same staged air of the ‘unscripted’ peice where Javid convinced the reporter to get his booster there and then.

Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

I can’t decide whether it’s staged or not, though I wouldn’t trust any of the MSM with a barge pole. How would it benefit the government’s vax project to broadcast this? Or maybe the idea is to turn the public against NHS staff like Dr James who are refusing to be jabbed?

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

It fits with the general wind back we’ve been seeing in the media for the last week or so.

I hate to link ot Off-G since they shadowbanned me for talking about the lab leak, but Kit Knightlys article yestderday explains it well in the context of gaslighting…

https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/10/what-they-really-mean-by-living-with-covid/

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

“Wind back”? Don’t be fooled!

Just a classic case of “Reculer pour mieux sauter “

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

What make you think I’ve been fooled when I say the general windback in the media is staged gaslighting?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Just goes to show I ought to have read the last word – sorry! We are clearly of one mind!

I am also very concerned about the reports of an Ebola type virus spreading in China revealed by Robert Malone in interview with Steve Bannon and the constant hints from Gates about other viruses needing his vaccines.

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

That one has been around since early 2019. Although he’s been saying some good things re stopping the rona vax in children lately, he has some serious conflicts of interests, close contacts within the CIA, DTRA etc etc…

Huge involvement in Ebola vaccines since ~2014. too

Caution very long read:
https://sites.google.com/housatonicits.com/home0003/research/robert-wallace-malone-b1959

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Sure. He’s stated openly he worked with the government, CDC & Fauci. Big deal. What matters is that he has broken ranks, and that he knows what he’s talking about. Didn’t expect people to turn on THIS whistleblower. Scheesh.

Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Good article, thanks. It certainly resonates with me. I’m finding the current apparent “volte-face” of the government, media etc rather unsettling and keep wondering what they’re planning for us next.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

A guess – something very nasty!

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Me too.
Off-G has such zealous admin particularly Sophie1 that if you dare to point out an error in any of their articles your IP address is banned from commenting.
Which is rather ironic since I joined Off-G at the very start of their existence because I too was moderated for commenting below the line on The Guardian years ago.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Sky News is owned by Comcast a top table Globalist Corporate working for the Great Reset.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Javid’s brother a Top Cop in London? Who knew!

Haven’t they done well?

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

“disinformation reporter” 

Establishment propaganda protection division.

Defund the BBC.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Health and Disinformation Reporter “Sounds like a Gates appointment or a new recruit from the ex-STASI.- or even a plant from our own 77 Brigade – ask Tobias!

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago

Nice to have confirmation of what evidence based medicine (now also deliberately being trashed ) has told us since the existence of virus was “proven” in the 1930’s. I do wonder why it has taken 2 years though…
I’m no expert immunologist/virologist but I could have saved them the bother.

If you want any other fundamental mysteries of natural immunity revealing, just ask me, or for that matter your Gran – assuming she’s still alive because you haven’t dared breathe near her lately.

HicManemus
HicManemus
4 years ago

Did anyone tune into GB News last night (Monday) for Brazier? He interviewed a doctor who was unvaccinated and she was explaining that she felt under enormous pressure from hospital management to have the vaccine. It made for very unhappy listening. This government has a lot to answer for.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  HicManemus

Pressure to have a vax is illegal – she should consult one of the the increasing number of expert Lawyers taking up these shocking cases!

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

Really? 🙄 FFS wake up Bolloxed Britannia!

Chris_uk
Chris_uk
4 years ago

Is it even relevant to care about pre-existing immunity? Surely the more important point is that the vast majority of healthy people can catch Covid, survive, and develop immunity without the cost and risk of experimental potions?

Menckenitis
Menckenitis
4 years ago

### AVOID VACCINES ### AVOID TYRANNY ### AVOID SLAVERY ###

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
4 years ago

An interesting study for those who work on the front line. The Health Workers with the most long term exposure to respiratory pathogens are not Orthopaedic Surgeons or Hospital Radiologists but ….. GPs. Day in day out before March 2020 the GP would see half a dozen coughing kids and adults in the surgery . No masks, no social distancing .. When you look at the sickness records though , the sick leave of GPs is minimal in comparison say to nursing staff.

Since 2020 some GP s have died ” with Covid ” but this was chiefly in the Spring of 2020 and a large proportion were well past what would be considered retirement age . GPs can work well into their 70s and many from overseas choose to do this.

In my work at the surgery I have continued to see face to face all those who need to be seen and examined and ALL kids with a temperature are seen . Please don’t reply with a comment that GPs are not accessible . That may be the case in the part of the country where you live but it isnt in my area. Of the 80 GP… Read more »

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Wife needed a blood test. Won’t wear a mask. GP said go private. We need to protect our staff, one third off sick.

Which demonstrates clearly – the masks do not work. Indeed, if they did work, why would my wife have to wear one if the GP does and is protected.

Start of the shitshow I went to get a PPV jab. No problem. It’s a soup of Pneumococcal bacteria in neutral adjutants. Checked closely first. I’m a fit fucker but the older you get the more dangerous Pneumonia can be.

Anyway, nurse was masked as well. Couldn’t hear a word she said. After about 30 seconds, she just took of her mask. Good girl 🙂

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The full extent of the ‘vaccine’ murders (cos murder it is) is starting to emerge

We started with soccer players and airline pilots and we were laughed at and censored by the press

How are they going to censor the Insurance Actuaries of Indianapolis?

A 40% increase in deaths amongst 18 to 65 year olds

Little wonder they are leaking news about drinks parties as a distraction

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They will launch another deadly virus and new injections to cover the reactions to the first .

Watch out for ‘Marburg’ they are probably playing around with as we write.

The age of Biological Warfare has arrived and there are no ‘civilians’!

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The worst may be to come.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“Many scientists initially assumed there would be little or no pre-existing immunity.”

Again – ‘many scientists’ were wrong. Yet policy has been built on the basis of their chicken bones, guesswork and predelictions rather than data.

I claim no expertise, but it was obvious from the start from reading around that pre-existing immunity was highly likely.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Many ,many more real scientists, not paid by Pfizer, assumed there would be – and were cancelled by the Gates controlled WHO and World Corporate media and the Big Tech social media political operators.

TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
4 years ago

Is it not also possible that Covid was circulating much earlier than is acknowledged, perhaps by up to six months?

Testing in week 16 (April/May 2020?) could be picking up an immune response from an infection originally acquired in October/November 2019.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Very likely.

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Countries exposed to SARS and SARS-Cov-1 had some natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 18 years later.

This has been known from the very start.

One woman some years ago still had natural immunity to The Spanish Flu 80 years later.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Exactly. Noah still apparently thinks the “scientists” were being reasonable at the beginning in denying this. That’s obvious balloux. Sunetra Gupta spelled that out at the start, and the pile on then clearly showed that that reality was being deliberately suppressed by the Faucist conspirators to up the fear factor to the maximum.
And this study is also balloux. And they know it. Absence of a positive test is not absence of infection – these guys are also well likely to have been infected, as GreenAcres says, v early on, before testing – for what it was worth – began.
They are backtracking after their huge gamble with human lives, now it is so clear that their profitable medical product is neither effective nor safe – they know that far better than we do, and they know it can’t be kept hidden. No doubt they are developing new medical products to keep control. It’s gonna be another interesting year.

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Even without my natural immunity obtained from infection in March 2020 I wouldn’t let the experimental jabs anywhere near me.

I might be in an at risk group for Covid, which for me was very mild, but I’m not playing Russian roulette with a dodgy batch of an mRNA concoction which may end up having devastating consequences on humankind (a hell of a lot more than it has already).

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Quite so. It’s also very dangerous to be vaxxed for something you are immune to, as it ups the chances of ADE.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

And now a paper that states exposure to the common cold can immunize you. Had always assumed that to be the case

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27674-x

“Cross-reactive memory T cells associate with protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in COVID-19 contacts”

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

As the ‘vaccines’ are under ’emergency authorisation’ and granted a non liability clause, does this mean that when the pandemic is declared over and a non emergency, anyone jabbed after this can sue, hence the coercion to be bOOstered asap

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Given the side-effects, they’ll be withdrawn if the makers are exposed to any liability.

My backoif envelope calculation of damages in UK/EU/USA:

50,000 deaths x say £3 million per death = £150 bn
500,000 serious injuries x say £300,000 = £150 bn also.

Sums like this aren’t affordable even to Pfizer/AZ/J&J let alone Moderna.

However, … the USA appears to waive liability for a product to be used in adults if the same product is also approved for use in children. According to Kennedy, that explains the disgusting trend underway there to get permission to jab younger and younger children.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

See French Life Insurance company refusing to pay out on vaccinated Covid death – classed as self-inflicted (suicide) because an ‘experimental’ vax was involved.

The Great Dodge has started!

Insurance company boss is one US State very concerned about the now unprecedented rise in mortality rate

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business … death rates are up 40% over what they were prepandemic.” ~ Scott Davidson, CEO of OneAmerica

Wilko
Wilko
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Have you got a link to that please, David?

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

I’m still amazed that no journalist has bothered to ask the authors of the 2011 pandemic response plan why a) they wrote such a pile of shit that it had to be thrown away when the thing it planned for arrived or b) whether we should have kept it

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Because there are no journalists anymore?

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

thousands of people claiming to be journalists. I have no idea what they all do. ‘Comment’ I suppose (from a position of ignorance)

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Recycle press releases from people giving them backhanders (or indirect emoluments).

After all….

You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to. 
Humbert Wolfe, “Over the Fire”, in The Uncelestial City (1930).

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

MSM journalists are in fact actors who are paid to portray themselves as investigative journalists while all the while shoring up the official narrative.

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Isn’t the standard response “it was a flu plan and this wasn’t flu”?

It’s daft bollocks, of course, but that’s what I usually get in response.

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

a) could you use the flu plan for a coronavirus?

b) if not then why the fuck didn’t you write a coronavirus plan as well?

someone’s been asleep at the (very highly paid) wheel – whichever way you look at it

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

No. They were just obeying their orders.

Wilko
Wilko
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

WHO requested nations to wite a SARS plan to accompany the Influenza plan. Few nations did. For more detail go to http://eureferendum.com/results.aspx?keyword=pandemic%20plan

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Isn’t the main point with regard to flu plans that we already knew how to make flu vaccines?

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

and that they don’t work…

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

“Many scientists initially assumed there would be little or no pre-existing immunity.”

even the BBC had a program last summer showing pre-existing immunity amongst people – they looked at blood donations. They showed/implied that normal colds prime the immune system for covid and kids get so many colds that this was one reason they are immune to covid. The program was ‘more or less’ I think

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

The BBC? You watch that shit? Listen to it? Jeez.

Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago

Leaked military documents and gain of function: https://youtu.be/_zgoENmeddA

What you been doin’ Fauci?

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Veritas is only about 18 months behind DRASTIC, I do hope they (and the rest of the world) catch up before Fauci et al pops off.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

What’s DRASTIC?

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago

https://drasticresearch.org/

This simplified history mite be easier to read than diving straight into the research

https://www.sutori.com/en/story/d-r-a-s-t-i-c-research-2020-origins–xCvdWonoJTx4TYVtAC4EhQ1b

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

If Fauci takes large doses of vit.D, and eats a rich person’s diet (more meat/eggs/fruit/vegs/etc, less junk food and empty carbs.), my guess is he’ll live to 95-100.

So they have a deadline of say 5 years to assemble the evidence and 5 years for a trial. He can then spend his last 5 years behind bars. Sorted …

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

Perhaps it’s that dodgy stuff he drinks too? “Elixir of Youth”?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

In Germany they are still nonagenarian women who worked in the Office at Auschwitz being dragged out of bed and tried for ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ – so there is still a chance for justice!

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Sure. But nobody took any notice till PV brought it up, did they?

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

He’s a very naughty boy…

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

I’ve reworded David Allan Coe’s song Take This Job and Shove It to reflect what many, including myself, think of COVID-19 and the Fascist Vaccine Passports. (As David Allan Coe was humorously branded country music’s outlaw of the outlaws, he might forgive me my piracy of his lyrics.)
 
Take this jab and shove it
You ain’t jabbing us no more
Our sense has come back and gave us the reason
We was anti-jabbin’ for
You better not try to stand in our way
As we’re a-walkin’ out the door
Take this jab and shove it
You ain’t jabbing us no more
 
We’ve been walkin’ this earth
For now on fifty years
All this time we’ve watched you gits
Drown us in a flood of tears
We’ve seen a lot of good folk die
That had a lot of life to live
We give the shirts right offa’ our backs
That we get the guts to say
 
Take this jab and shove it
You ain’t jabbing us no more
Our sense has come back and gave us the reason
We was anti-jabbin’ for
You better not try to stand in our way
As we’re a-walkin’ out the door
… Read more »

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

Every adult has an immune system that’s had numerous encounters with coronaviruses; it is likely that many people had some cross immunity — this wouldn’t stop them getting infected with sars-cov-2, but in most would have stopped symptoms beyond a sniffle.

The interesting aspect is the aspects of cross-immunity thought to invoke severe covid disease — this is an auto-immune condition, not due to there being ‘lots of virus in the body’ (this is why early symptomatic disease is treated with antivirals (supporting the immune system), but severe covid is treated with steroids (suppress the immune system) — the virus has largely been eradicated by the time severe covid starts).

The remaining question is how vaccination affects this — what is vaccination doing to the immune system that results in decreased levels of severe covid? We know that protection from infection is very short lived, so it isn’t that people simply aren’t getting covid (and it appears they might even be more likely to catch covid). The worrying side of this might be if the vaccines work by suppressing certain aspects of the immune system; this would result in lower levels of severe covid, but would also result in other… Read more »

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Ironic that an over-reaction causes most of the harm in SARS2 infection and the state’s reaction to the SARS2 virus!

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

So the death of the President of the European Parliament today due to a ‘dysfunction of his immune system’ might well be due to exactly this?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

“The Jab”

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Do you have evidence to support the claim that the injections reduce levels of severe covid?

Paul_Somerset
Paul_Somerset
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I suppose the vaccines must suppress the immune system in some way, or the body wouldn’t tolerate the stuff getting into the cells in the first place. And if this is indeed the mechanism whereby it reduces severe disease, it’s just a happy coincidence really. Antibody levels and all that is just noise.
Of course, whatever other outcomes there might be from suppressing a person’s immune system to that extent is another matter. But, hey, Covid is the only death worth preventing now, so who cares about that?

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul_Somerset

Can you point me to the evidence demonstrating the injections reduce severe disease? Thank you.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul_Somerset

The Lipid Nanoparticles protect the “virus” till it’s in you and damaging you. They package it. And are also toxic.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago

What do people here think of the argument that the reason why Zero Covid strategies worked only in the Asia/Pacific region, was that this region had been exposed throughout 2019 (and perhaps even in 2018) to a low-virulence precursor variant of SARS-CoV-2 (which at the time was mistaken for an unusually bad flu season), and that this made the difference between success and failure?

It would also likely explain why (due to the waning of this established immunity) all the Zero Covid countries except China and Taiwan ended up succumbing once the Delta variant showed up.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

It is possible for some of the countries — Singapore stands out.

But for others there does appear to have been a protective impact of ‘shutting the borders’ (eg, New Zealand).

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

temporarily… though.

and at a greater cost than covid could ever do.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Of course – it is all about repression and control not the virus surely we realise that now?

Wait for their next “more deadly” virus to arrive – we are talking about a Globalist Technocracy slow Coup of course!

“New Normal” is not normal!

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

You seem to be saying that isolation, on a personal and national level, is worth all the harm it causes. I disagree. Societies exposed to pathogens build up innate immunity. New Zealanders now have compromised immune systems.

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

New Zealand is a poor example given the population density.

If we accept the endemic nature of an aerosolized virus (e.g. 40% of deer caught it early) “zero covid” was always clutching at straws IMO.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

It was always just deliberate nonsense to justify oppressive lock downs and stealing our freedoms of course !

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

I’m surprised the fans of outdoor mask mandates haven’t latched onto the deer thing, as I hardly think wild animals socialize indoors!

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Although Australia and New Zealand likely only did as well as they did because they imported few cases prior to March 2020. In New Zealand this would be due to seasonality plus extreme geographic isolation, while in Australia it would be due to seasonality plus tourist-deterring wildfires.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Shutting the borders and becoming a totalitarian state. My wife’s a Kiwi. She reckons she won’t see her mother country again.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Zero Covid strategies haven’t worked anywhere… and will not.

We’re dealing with an enhanced GoF flu virus FFS… the graph below for Singapore shows what happens when you mix in leaky experimental “vaccines” once an infection curve is in play…dial in the nature of how these jabs don’t work at any form of permanent immunization by default… guaranteeing ever more update jab subscriptions required.

And these never ending defacto mutant/variants are all part of the digital Bio-IDs frameworks…

The only confusion here seems to be that RESET Govts in lockstep don’t know what they are doing… as if?

Plus it might not be woke to state, but many Asian cultures have been prone to symbolic mask wearing for decades… Anglo-Saxons not so much, hence the required psyop mindfuck non-stop fear porn marketing, which has been 99% successful by how many face nappy clad you still see daily as they conform to the plague mindset.

Can you tell what it is yet?

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Sooner or later justice will be served on all those that were lead by devious fuck Fauci, Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance SAGE et al… in fact any medics that profited from the COVID lies and deceptions… and there are many come Nuremberg 2.0

https://twitter.com/Suspici07891401/status/1479633913945468930?s=20

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

They are working now to side-step their guilt and moving on to their next phase of installing Global Tyranny – don’t doubt it.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Weren’t masks in East Asia worn usually when actually symptomatic (with colds or flu) or when the air pollution was particularly bad?

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