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Imperial Finally Acknowledges Pre-Existing Immunity to COVID-19. What Took It So Long?

by Will Jones
10 January 2022 5:59 PM

T-cells from common cold coronaviruses can provide protection against COVID-19, an Imperial College London study has found. Reuters reports on the findings, which were published in Nature.

The study, which began in September 2020, looked at levels of cross-reactive T-cells generated by previous common colds in 52 household contacts of positive COVID-19 cases shortly after exposure, to see if they went on to develop infection.

It found that the 26 who did not develop infection had significantly higher levels of those T-cells than people who did get infected. Imperial did not say how long protection from the T-cells would last.

“We found that high levels of pre-existing T cells, created by the body when infected with other human coronaviruses like the common cold, can protect against COVID-19 infection,” study author Dr Rhia Kundu said.

The researchers suggest vaccines based on imitating the internal virus proteins that T-cells target may be more resilient to mutations and new variants as those proteins, unlike the spike protein targeted by the current vaccines, “mutate much less”.

Cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2 from other coronaviruses has been proposed since early on in the pandemic as an important element in reaching herd immunity and endemicity (for example, it was mentioned in this Scientist article from March 2020), and became a particular focus of interest in the autumn of 2020 as evidence of it accumulated (see here, here and here). It’s good to have further confirmation of this from Imperial (and also recently from UCL), but it has to be said it’s pretty late to the party, and it’s not clear why a study which began in September 2020 during a public health emergency has taken 16 months to report, particularly when vaccines were brought to market in 10 months. The emphasis of the researchers is on the potential usefulness of the findings for developing new and more resilient vaccines, which contains a tacit admission that the existing vaccines are failing, but also leaves one wondering whether the research has only been published now that it is useful for making new pharmaceutical products. It might be added that the studies on the efficacy of generic off-label medicines against Covid are taking an awfully long time to report.

As Dr. Mike Yeadon explained in his October 2020 piece for the Daily Sceptic, “What SAGE Has Got Wrong“, the assumption of a lack of pre-existing immunity and hence universal susceptibility was one of the great errors made by Government advisers throughout the pandemic and which led to an over-reaction that continues to this day. Now that Imperial researchers have acknowledged the existence of prior immunity, will Neil Ferguson’s modelling team update its assumptions?

At the start it was constantly repeated that we have no immunity to this virus, which supposedly made it much more deadly. For example, on January 24th 2020, at a point when there were only 17 deaths reported globally, the Daily Mail quoted Oxford’s Professor Peter Horby saying: “Novel viruses can spread much faster through the population than viruses which circulate all the time because we have no immunity to them. Most seasonal flu viruses have a case fatality rate of less than one in 1,000 people. Here we’re talking about a virus where we don’t understand fully the severity spectrum. But it’s possible the case fatality rate could be as high as 2%. … Two per cent case fatality rate is comparable to the Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918 so it is a significant concern globally.”

The Mail, like other outlets, was already by then routinely referring to the virus as a “killer infection” and “deadly disease”, and the WHO had just commended China for implementing the first lockdown in Wuhan. Is it any wonder there was hysteria? In that light, it’s remarkable the British Government stuck to the pandemic plan as long as it did. We often blame Neil Ferguson’s modelling, published on March 16th 2020, for precipitating a shift in Government policy, but it can be easy to forget that prior to that the WHO itself (among many others) had already repeatedly criticised the Government for refusing to lock down and for talking about herd immunity.

The missing piece of the modelling jigsaw was pre-existing immunity. Government advisers expected everyone to be susceptible and everyone to be infected unless drastic action was taken (though even then they only thought action could slow the spread, not stop it). In truth, infections began falling in the U.K. before the lockdown came in, and they also fell in Sweden without a lockdown, and have fallen in every jurisdiction where no lockdown was implemented ahead of a surge, including Florida, Texas and South Dakota – and in each case a similar proportion of the population was infected as in lockdown jurisdictions. This confirmed the pattern seen on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February 2020, where an uncontrolled outbreak infected just 19% of those on board. Similarly, there have been no exit waves when restrictions have been lifted in Texas, Mississippi, the U.K. and elsewhere. The evidence is that, just as with flu in winter, only a relatively small proportion of the population gets infected when the bug goes round, typically 5-20%. Similarly, the household secondary attack rate of SARS-CoV-2 (the proportion of household contacts an infected person infects) is around 10-15%, even for new variants, indicating low levels of susceptibility. This suggests that almost everyone is exposed during the epidemic, but only a certain percentage are highly susceptible. Exposure to pathogens has been shown to reinforce the immune system against pathogens without infection-proper occurring, and some experts have suggested social distancing may have weakened our immune systems through reduced exposure.

Further evidence of near-universal exposure to an epidemic virus was provided last month by the rate at which Omicron displaced Delta in the U.K. and around the world. If instead of universal exposure, what was actually happening was only a small proportion of people were being exposed to each virus, then the displacement process should have taken far longer. That’s because Delta would have continued spreading in the networks it was moving through while Omicron would have spread primarily in the networks it was moving in. The fact that instead within weeks Delta almost disappeared shows that the two variants must have been going head-to-head, in direct competition and trying to infect the same individuals and communities in almost all contexts, so that many susceptible people were being exposed to both but Omicron, with its greater infectiousness, was repeatedly winning out. As evidence of universal exposure, this is also evidence of the presence of pre-existing immunity in many of those exposed, keeping the secondary attack rate and overall prevalence down.

Tags: COVID-19Herd immunityPre-Existing ImmunityT cellsVariants

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

It’s time to wrap it all up and return to some kind of normality. Mind you it is going to take some major deprogramming of members of the covid cult and for years to come I suspect.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Many are living psychotics, sadly.
They need counselling to accept reality.

Coping with being wrong, lied to, abused, medically raped, living with a psychopath state, will be very uncomfortable for millions.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Horrific summing up, but nevertheless entirely accurate.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Many will never be able to ‘handle the truth’. And we shall have to keep silence for their benefit.

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Will we have to keep silent? Every time I’ve tried to explain any aspect of this calmly and logically I’ve been met with idiocy, insult and unwarranted abuse.

Now reality is poking through the clouds clearly, anyone who still subscribes to the nonsense and expresses it to me will be met with loud dismissal and personal verbal attack for helping to perpetuate the hysteria for so long.

Its not nice I know but after 2 years of being hectored by self-righteous morons deluded in their own opinions as fact, I have reached that point.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

There is little point in trying to convince the ‘convinced’. As I said, most people cannot handle the enormity of the truth.

My point was rather that we have all come across hysterical or fragile people who have been abused by the powers that be: maybe a relative, even a close family member. They cannot understand what is going on, or feel such pain that they do not wish to. They are in trauma.

To prevent them having a nervous breakdown, we must be silent. This does not mean we should never preach the truth. It means there is a time and a place for arguing, and a time for not arguing. The state has done this to them – not us. We do not have to risk our lives, or ‘destroy’ the weak, because of the state’s malevolence.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

What kind of person down ticked the comment?

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
3 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

What kind? A very strange kind. Denial is, and is going to be for ever, the order of the day.

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Suzyv
Suzyv
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Err no it is far more important for the truth to come out and right now. People are being harmed every single minute of every day and especially children. People need to get a grip of themselves, get help if needed and get over their psychological problems.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

otherwise the harms not only continue but could get worse.

I am constantly worried about the harms that have been done to the ones I love and would do anything I could to prevent them being harmed further.

sometimes that means I have to point out to them that they have been conned, everyone has been conned.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

By their face nappies we shall know them.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Indeed. Many will never ditch their masks.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrior

It’s makeup for hypochondriacs.

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrior

Its incredible to see some people still behaving like paranoid hypochondriacs – its become like a religious cult – on the whole most are not wearing them where I live but I still see some wearing their masks outside in the open as well as in shops, the most insane ones I see are still wearing them alone in their cars and I’ve even seen a few wearing masks while cycling and jogging – many of the masks I see are really quite filthy and I’m sure are causing more harm than good.

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sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

My Aunt and Uncle still backed away from me yesterday even though they are drugged to the eyeballs and had masks on. Very sad.

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Unfortunately one of the things that is holding up the Great Awakening is that the hypnotised have invested almost their entire capital of self-regard in being smarter than the “anti-vaxxers”. To admit that they were wrong is such an existential threat to their entire sense of self worth that many just cannot do it.

I strongly suspect that is what lies behind much of the “make their life shit” fascism – they are desperate on a spiritual level that we become like them because if we don’t they fear we will prove to be better than them and tell them so and they cannot live with that.

it was no surprise to see Andrew Neill spouting that guff the other day – I used to work for him and a more perfect representation of the term “midwit” would be hard to find.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

The idiots that took all three shots are desperate to remove the control group who haven’t, just as much as the government is. What’s going to happen is they’ll invent a new strain to blame all the Pfizer injuries on. But a significant portion of people won’t have had Pfizer and at that stage it will be undeniable

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Some are so angry with themselves they are lashing out at us partly in frustration and partly because they want to drag us down with them.

There are echoes of communatarianism/communism here.

People who advocate in favour of this ideology cannot bear to see others doing better than them so wish to make everyone (apart from the elite) as poor as them. This is what they really mean by ‘equality’. Evil people.

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Agree Cornubian… methinks it’s a wise time to revisit this quote:

“It is an objective, indisputable fact: never in the history of the world has there been a global push to administer an experimental medicine to all of humanity, billions of us, at the same time.

I want you to stop and reflect on that.

Imagine the hubris it required both to carry out this plan and to propagandize the World to carry it out…If a world leader is willing to take such gambles with all of humanity, what else are they prepared to do?…

My present point is simple: experimental vaccines – billions of people – at the same time. It utterly boggles the mind that so many otherwise reasonable people have been influenced to think this is a good idea…”

[Larry Sanger, founder of Wikipedia]

It’s time to also remind ourselves about getting  more creative at successfully destroying the cabals agenda to crush us all down under a totalitarian grid – jailing us permanently via 5g powered bio-security IDs, 24/7 social credit scores… and digital time-coded currencies. Here’s some more inspirational thinking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Excuse me. I took all 3 shots but agree ithe covid fuss is hysteria. I take a flu innoculation also because I prefer to avoid flu if I can. My decision to take the vaccines was based upon my belief that they would be more beneficial then bad. If anyone disagrees then I respect that but they are not idiots.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

One difference – the flu jab is well known with limited adverse reactions – just the usual ADE effect of making the symptoms worse in those taking the drug compared to those not taking it. The covid drugs are totally experimental, undergoing a Phase III clinical trial to work out the side effect types and frequency with purely voluntary admission into the trial protocol – as noted in the drug suppliers administration procedures. You of course had all this explained to you when you signed up to the clinical trial – as required by the administration protocol? Or not, I suspect.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

In a just world we would be honoured, not reviled.

Their prejudice and gullibility got them here to total defeat.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

It has been the fate of the best people throughout history to be misunderstood, misrepresented, hated, and vilified.
Of course, being misunderstood, misrepresented, hated, and vilified doesn’t necessarily mean that you are one of the best people, but it does mean you are in good company.
If you’re a Christian, it means that you’re in God’s company. It also means that you should forgive the vilifiers. That’s a tall order, but it’s what we have to try to do. I’n not good at it. Other, better Christians are better.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

what is the saying?

A prophet is not without honour in his own country

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

No, unfortunately “ A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country,” (Mark 6.4) is the saying. or ‘Truly I tell you, no prophet is accepted in the prophet’s home town.’ (Luke 4.24)  or And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “Prophets are not without honor except in their own country and in their own house. (Matthew 13,57.)

We have seen that observation play out only too accurately. Indeed I notice that it sometimes is taken more seriously in this country to quote Americans, Canadians or others (Australians, if there are any!) than the British re covid19 and injections.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

..

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

An anagram of smug is mugs…

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

a lot of the current cons and scams are built on that superiority complex.

The EU for example

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

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rtaylor
rtaylor
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

The covid cult will be dead in 4-6 years. Depends on how harsh the winters are.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

I presume you’re suggesting that Covid will be displaced on people’s worry list by sky-high heating bills, because while octogenarians are the group most likely to die of Covid, they don’t make up most of the “covid cult” membership.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

What will happen in the countries where the cult has come to encompass the entire population (ie China and Taiwan)?

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

I’m doing my best, but it is hard going trying to help people to see the light…

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

The emphasis of the researchers is on the potential usefulness of the findings for developing new and more resilient vaccines, which contains a tacit admission that the existing vaccines are failing…

Oh the…

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

So natural immunity is a thing.

Instead of promoting natural immunity they want to use it as another commodity in more vaccines?

Do you change your diet to avoid scurvy or get a scurvy vaccine?

Ultimate proof of their cynicism.

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ministryoftruth
ministryoftruth
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Who’d have thunk?

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

but instead of regarding NI as an end itself, they want to use it as a means to an end – which could still have disastrous consequences if they stuff it up the way the current crop of vaccine developers have done

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court
court
3 years ago

Great article Will, thanks.

Im shocked, shocked I tell you, that this study is only just coming to light after 16 months.

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Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
3 years ago
Reply to  court

Has it been missed or was it suppressed?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mumbo Jumbo

Its come out now to push for a new range of ‘better designed’ injections. Imperial are drug pushers. Its what they are paid $320,000,000 by Gates to do.

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago

Get back to me when I can, as per 2019, fly to and from Spain by just showing my paper UK passport at each end.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

There must be thousands of British citizens worried about their properties abroad. Get to them now and find they’ve been taken over by squatters. Or worse. Stolen by the local authorities. Two years gone by for the mould to grow, and the gutters to become filled with leaves. And the smoke alarm battery needs replacing…

This ‘capturing’ of people by making travel difficult, is one of the things that alerted me to the fact that this was about control of people, and not about ‘a virus’.

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gavinfdavies
gavinfdavies
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Only making travel difficult for legal citizens. It seems crossing the channel has never been easier.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  gavinfdavies

I’m thinking of investing in a dinghy – see how far it will take me

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I was alert to the fact it wasn’t about public health in February 2020, when I thought to myself:

“These daily death counts, which are suddenly and for the first time in history being broadcast to every Tom, Dick and Harry’s smartphones – are they anything above normal for this time of year in this country?”

After one minute of simple research and another thirty seconds of simple arithmetic, the simple answer was “No. Not really. A bad seasonal flu, but certainly not the worst.”

But when I highlighted these simple facts to my colleagues over those interminable video calls, they repeatedly denounced me as a brainwashed conspiracy theorist, peddling “dangerous misinformation”. Interesting, as I have never had a television, rarely (if ever) listen to the radio, and watch Youtube only for subjects specific to my several hobbies. A less brainwashed person you could not find. I hadn’t even heard of “QAnon”, until one of my colleagues told me I must be a member of that organisation.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

I remember Hector Drummond had an excellent analysis around April 2020 which made that abundantly clear. “The Virus That Turned Up Late” or something to that effect.

It stands out in my mind as regards to my own realisation.

Another on The Burning Platform website in Feb 2020 which discussed the Diamond Princess numbers, PCR and natural immunity was another.

All they did was generate questions from me which were never fully answered by the powers that be, as the article atl shows. It was all a grand Propaganda machine at work.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

I was looking forward to using a proper British passport after leaving the EU. Looks like I may have a long wait.

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Alkanet
Alkanet
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

So true.

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Alkanet
Alkanet
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Or when unvaxxed who haven’t had covid (or ever done a test or been hospitalised) are invited for a free blood test to check for immunity to give automatic freedom from this totalitarian farrago and potential for study of a clean control group.

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ministryoftruth
ministryoftruth
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

And I’ll tell them to fuck right off.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

data harvesting you mean?

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JustMe
JustMe
3 years ago

There’s a chart, somewhere on this site, showing all the big ships, by name, weight, number of passengers and number of crew, that couldn’t unload their passengers when Covid kicked off. One column shows the number of people on each ship that did test positive when they were finally allowed to disembark. From memory not one ship had more than ~28% infected – inspite of all on board being subjected to to the same aircon and a higher than average age and weight profile for the passengers. To me that suggested then, all those months ago, that Covid wasn’t for everyone.
Can anyone find that chart / spreadsheet?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  JustMe

I learned late too that if you see it, bookmark it.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Feels a bit like the church eventually acknowledging that the earth rotates around the sun and not vice versa.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Father Copernicus always knew. The Djokovic of the 16th century.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Ah, good old Copernicus, developer of the medieval prototype tin foil hat – copper knickers.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

Could it perhaps have something to do with the $79m grant awarded to Imperial College by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in March 2020?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

$320 million to date.

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JamesM
JamesM
3 years ago

Will Neil Ferguson’s modelling team update its assumptions? It’s too late for that. These people have been shown to be thoroughly incompetent. They must be held to account along with those who employed them.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

They must surely be held to account, but not for incompetence. They knew what they were doing.

I’m preparing to hear a lot of “we just couldn’t have known…”, “the information at the time…” over the next months and years. Like the Germans who were all so terribly shocked by what had been done to the Jews and swore they had no idea.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Ferguson_(epidemiologist)#Personal_life

Funny that nothing is mentioned about him getting that other man’s wife to travel across London during a ‘pandemic’ for a shag. Can anyone add to the Wikipedia article?

Lest we forget:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11586872/husband-professor-neil-ferguson-lover-seeing-woman/

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Neil arranged for him and his mistress to “break his own lockdown rules”, simply so he could have a convenient reason to resign which wasn’t his f*cked up disease transmission modelling.

And then he’s back at his job a few months later, like a turd which creeps back up the u-bend.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Nope. Ferguson was on both SAGE and NERVTAG at the time. SAGE is the interface between the mad modellers aka NERVTAG and the politicians. Kicking him off SAGE served the purpose of appearing to treat his indescretion seriously to satisfy public outrage and maintain public perception that the lockdown was justified.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

You’re kinda agreeing with me, just presenting the other side of the same coin.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

He shouldn’t have a “team”. I wouldn’t put Pantsdown Ferguson in charge of a junior football team, let alone a team of researchers.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

They’d get a prize for most own goals.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

>These people have been shown to be thoroughly incompetent

Reliably wrong. They were picked because they’ll produce the scariest figures, not for accuracy of predictions.

Mystic Meg would be embarrassed at how wrong they’ve been about EVERYTHING. vCJD on.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

Pantsdown had shown himself over and over again to be thoroughly incompetent before he started his terror modelling. But he was wrong in ways that the Fascists found useful.
I fully expected Tin Lizzie to give him a knighthood this time round. I suppose there’s still time. Arise, Sir Useful Idiot.
She will doubtless give him the accolade using a syringe.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago

Cue for the WHO to change the definition of ‘immunity’ yet again?

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

You’re said to be immune to a disease when you’re up-to-date on all WHO-recommended vaccinations for it.

Immunity prevents neither infection nor transmission nor serious disease nor death.

[This was meant to appear in a much smaller font but the framework this site uses is too dumb for that … 🙁 ]

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Don’t let them be the master.

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago

I suspect that Imperial College have been wanting to change their name for a while now for historical reasons….soon it might be necessary to dissociate themselves from previous mistakes

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Zionist
Zionist
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Yes, Imperial does have a whiff of colonialism in it.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Zionist

Imperial single malt Scottish whisky is one of the better ones!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Woke College would no doubt be preferred.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

White Supremecist Medical Imperialism College would be appropriate.

The drugs they have supported are too expensive to be bought by poor countries, particularly when they come with a price of legal immunity for the drug pushers. Covid only really took off when it finally hit the west. MARS with its higher initial CFR of 30% disappeared as if by magic as it did not hit the west, and Zika was a damp squib.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

Aussie corporate media is beginning to force feed the lab leak theory.

Last edited 3 years ago by mishmash
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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

but we have been saying that on here for almost 20 months – why are they only coming to this now??? like it new news or something

Last edited 3 years ago by Milo
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Bellingcat
Bellingcat
3 years ago

It’s like the house of cards of nonsense – 100% susceptibles, 1-2% IFR, indiscriminate, no effective treatment etc. used to justify an emergency use order for an experimental class of treatment for which pharma companies can make billions has all finally fallen away.

I look forward to the ICC trials in the Hague

Last edited 3 years ago by Bellingcat
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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

Imagine what research is being done now that’ll be published in 18 month’s time…

Other studies that are being published at a snail’s pace are Neil Ferguson’s work on the vaccines’ negative effectiveness (I don’t know where that’s gone) and the results of the coronavit trial (it is now six months since the trial ended).

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago

Does anyone with half a brain truly care? Imperial’s “brand” has been tarnished for too long now.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

Imperial are the regimes goto source for dodgy dossiers. Just as long as Gates keeps brown enveloping them hundreds of millions they dont have to worry about image..

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

King’s College does the dodgy political dossiers. Get to make a buck somehow in these difficult times.

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shrenkssedge
shrenkssedge
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

I well remember the foot and mouth outbreak when Imperial’s input caused the slaughter of millions of sheep unnecessarily. Is this a repeat?

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  shrenkssedge

We will have to wait and see – the F&M animals were killed off quickly en masse. The modern sheep will drop off one by one.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

Isn’t this what Sunetra Gupta was telling us right at the start of the hysteria?

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Yes.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

I can’t for the life of me understand why it has taken IC so long to report on it’s findings either.
It’s almost as if there was, is and will continue to be a drive to get everybody jabbed instead.

It almost makes me wonder if the real agenda is indeed digital ID.

But I have to discount that possibility because it appears only on social media and Mr. Witty and other BBC scientists say that the vaccine is completely safe (not just safe) but completely 100% safe, for everybody,- and that 90% of ICU patients have never been near any vaccine.
And that you are selfish (Gove), selfish and an idiot (The War criminal), and or that you have been brainwashed by the mumbo jumbo on Twitter etc if you don’t do your duty and be jabbed..

Last edited 3 years ago by Sforzesca
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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Digital ID is being introduced from 6th April this year. It needs to be resisted.

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ministryoftruth
ministryoftruth
3 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

Receipts please

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shrenkssedge
shrenkssedge
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Imperial receives millions from those with an “interest” in not publishing such information. A simple search shows this.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

When was the Diamond Princess outbreak, I knew this then…

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago

Expert tells grandma what she already knew.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

HA HA!

U.S. Military In Japan With A 98% Vaccination Rate Is Spreading Covid To Japanese With A 70% Vaccination Rate…

https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2022/01/us-military-in-japan-with-98.html

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

I thought Japan had gone the Ivermectin route after a disastrous ‘vaccination’ outcome.

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Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
3 years ago

“Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences”
Robert Louis Stevenson.
The last two year’s has shown me that the majority of my fellow countrymen are critical thought cretins, with a large helping of neo-fascist thrown in for good measure. The unquestioning obedience to a malevolenty contrived insidious narrative by the many has been a revelation. A terrible reckoning awaits!

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Bolloxed Britannia

The majority respond to emotion over reason and prefer ideas of protection over freedom.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

They’ve been trained to respond like children.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

they’ve been content to hand their brain over to their smartphone – which was always the desired intention

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Osobowy
Osobowy
3 years ago
Reply to  Bolloxed Britannia

Time to oil up the guillotine.

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago

Nothing less than a craven an abject apology for having got much of their work wrong, a retraction of their constant drive to influence public policy on the back of their errors, a public shaming and pronouncement from their superiors and handlers that they are discredited and will never be consulted seriously again or work in their field will do I’m afraid.

By force if necessary.

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mwhite
mwhite
3 years ago

In a Danish newspaper

“ANOTHER example: vaccines are consistently referred to as our ‘super weapons’. And our hospitals are called ‘super hospitals’. Nevertheless, these super hospitals are evidently under maximum pressure, even though almost the entire population is armed with a super weapon. Even children have been vaccinated on an enormous scale, which has not been done in our neighbouring countries”

We failed – Ekstra Bladet

.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

They didn’t fail, they “merely” succeeded at something totally different from what they said they were doing.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
3 years ago

The only relevant pic I could find

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BoJo The Great
BoJo The Great
3 years ago

Imperial College find most people can bat off any coronavirus…due to existing immunity. So….vaccine companies say they can possibly imitate this immunity, so that most people can then bat off the same diseases they are already batting off.
Brilliant.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  BoJo The Great

“most people can bat off any coronavirus”

I see what you did there. Please sir, may I have more soup?

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APC
APC
3 years ago

What the actual fuck!!!! Esteemed epidemiologists made this point right at the outset. Nobel Laureates even, Michael Levitt, made the same point back in March 2020. I even recall Mike Yeadon incandescent with rage over the imperial model assumption was that every one was equally susceptible- he was spitting feathers. Looks like all the marginalised, traduced, bullied, ridiculed scientists were right all along – as we knew they were. What a shit show and how subtlety the narrative is now changing and the fuckers who belittled us from the start will now claim the credit. Tragic.

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shrenkssedge
shrenkssedge
3 years ago
Reply to  APC

Its simply due to the source of large amounts of Imperial’s income. Very few research depts are in any way independant. He who pays the piper….

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  shrenkssedge

I suspect those nice juicy tuition fees paid by Chinese students may also have helped to corrupt western universities.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago

Yeadon was absolutely right to point out pre existing immunity, asymptomatic spread and death counting as some of the key pillars of the fraud. At the very least, those is positions of influence should have been guided by a sense that if there was so much counter evidence, to ignore it would be a huge risk given the consequences.

However, they were guided top down by forces we need to remove from power structures. It will take years. Their influence is clear in the delay on releasing this study, to aid the psychological warfare being waged on the general public. Releasing in good time would have simply lent credence to the likes of Yeadon in the mainstream arena. The vaccines needed time, and time they got. By hook or by line of endless crooks.

This is actually criminal. People have died by lockdowns and ignorance of early treatment protocols around the world. Those who have published this study must be made to defend their timelines with certifiable evidence to show no outside influences. That would require political pressure.

Last edited 3 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

someone could start a petition to get it debated at least

And the Bernician can add it to his private prosecution or Yeadon et al can add it to their ICC case along the lines of the supression of this study’s results (because that is what it looks like) forced more people into the vaccination queues (and attendant harms) than would have been the case if NI testing had been offered at the earlies possible opportunity

Last edited 3 years ago by Milo
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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago

We had a new respiratory virus which could be classed as a national emergency.

We junked the existing flu pandemic plan because Big Pharma told us that they could stop it in its tracks.

We closed down our entire economy while entrepreneurs rushed to develop, manufacture and distribute a poorly tested vaccine that did not work.

Now we are going to quietly back out of the room, take all the money, and pretend that none of this ever happened….

Last edited 3 years ago by Dodgy Geezer
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Welshp
Welshp
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

They can pretend all they like, this is not going under the carpet!

Punishment for crimes against humanity must be the maximum severity available

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

Medical clinics and hospitals in USA are denying life-saving Ivermectin medicine even with court orders. Big Pharma doing all that they can to push the vaxx and inoculate us while effective and cheap COVID cures exist. There turns out to be censorship that we have never seen before for those who are looking for these treatments. We say over and over again that indepenedent researchers found Ivermectin safe and very effective for these Flu-Corona symptoms. Getting Ivermectin is easy https://ivmpharmacy.com

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

What took so long was the realisation that this work would show up the poster boy of Imperial’s mathematical modelling team to be a total charlatan

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hi60
hi60
3 years ago

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla was interviewed on Bloomberg yesterday.

With a wry smile he claimed natural immunity from previous infection was similarly effective against SARS-Cov-2 as his vaccine, but affectiveness wanes after only 3-4 months, as opposed to his vaccine which wanes after 6 months.

‘Vaccine salesman CEO of Pfizer Albert Bourla cherry picks self-funded vaccine efficacy studies, propagating misinformation’ isn’t a salient headline, though it would generate a lot of clicks.

Albert Bourla is Greek.

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.

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hi60
hi60
3 years ago
Reply to  hi60

Pfizer CEO Bourla on Acuitas Deal, mRNA Tech, Djokovic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nNY38rhHc

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number 6
number 6
3 years ago

Er? is there really something new here??? 
Rewind to circa 1768 and a Dr Edward Jenner, some trouble with smallpox I believe. It had been noticed that milk maids did not get serious smallpox and Jenner suspected their previous infections of Cowpox helped. He then experimented on a young lad by infecting with Cowpox pus – followed up by the (very unethical) real thing, Smallpox. It worked, the boy did not get Smallpox, the rest is history. This experiment also demonstrated the existence of cross immunity – Cowpox to Smallpox. All of our numerous “Ologists” appear to have forgotten this fact although the term ‘Vaccination’ derives from the Latin meaning COWS !!!!±!

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

Ferguson was an attendee at WHO pandemic meetings. The UK team was disproportionately large. For example, Germany sent 1 person, the UK 13 representatives and the US 16. No other country sent more than 6 representatives. It seems reasonable to assume that the US and UK teams led WHO policy.

The UK team included N Fergusson, N Gay, P Grove, R Kirby, J Newstead, J Nguyen van Tam, N Phin, A Reynolds, C Russell, H Shirley-Quirk, S Strickland, J Watson and H Zhao.

Cross-referencing with the UKs NERVTAG, SAGE and higher political levels is left as an exercise for the reader.

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