Boris Johnson Tells the Public to Have a “Cautious and Sensible” New Year’s Eve

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The Prime Minister has admitted that the Omicron strain is “obviously milder than the Delta variant” and told the public that they should enjoy New Year’s Eve, burdened by as few restrictions as possible. However, Boris has also urged people to be “cautious and sensible” and urged everyone to get jabbed. MailOnline has more.

Boris Johnson today gave the green light for people to celebrate on New Year’s Eve but urged the nation to be “cautious and sensible”. 

The Prime Minister said he believes “everybody should enjoy New Year” despite the spread of the Omicron variant. 

He said the strain ‘continues to cause real problems’, with hospitalisations rising, but the data shows it is ‘obviously milder than the Delta variant’. 

Johnson said the booster jab rollout means England does not currently need new Covid restrictions, despite Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all imposing new rules on socialising.

The premier today repeated his plea to the nation to get boosted as he warned that 90% of Covid patients in intensive care units across the country had not received the top-up dose…

Johnson has promised that there will be no new Covid rules in England before New Year’s Eve. 

His decision not to roll out extra curbs is in contrast to the actions taken in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland where additional restrictions have been imposed after Christmas.  

The Prime Minister said this morning during a visit to a vaccination centre in Milton Keynes that the vaccination programme meant “we are able to proceed in the way that we are”. 

He said: “The Omicron variant continues to cause real problems. We are seeing cases rising in hospitals but it is obviously milder than the Delta variant and we are able to proceed in the way that we are.

“But there is one reason and one reason only why we are able to do that and that is because such a huge proportion of the British public have come forward to get vaccinated and particularly to get boosted.

“We have done about 32 and a half, maybe more, million booster jabs now and that is allowing us to go ahead with New Year in the cautious way that we are.

“But I cannot stress too much how vital it is for everybody to get that booster jab, particularly the 2.4 million people who have had two jabs but haven’t yet had their booster, they had two jabs more than six or seven months ago, so they are eligible for their booster but they are not yet coming forward to get it.

“So I would say to people, come forward and get your booster, it is a fantastic thing to do, it makes a huge amount of difference to you, it protects you, and I’m sorry to say this but the overwhelming majority of people who are currently ending up in intensive care in our hospitals are people who are not boosted.

“I have talked to doctors who say the numbers are running up to 90% of people in intensive care who are not boosted.

“If you are not vaccinated you are eight times more likely to get into hospital altogether.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Boris Johnson said that 90% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated, a claim that may be true but isn’t supported by any of the publicly available date. Read Will Jones’s recent piece looking at what the published data says about the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated patients in hospital here.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago

Interesting article has just popped up in the Daily Mail, asking if we are “vaccinating too much”

Read full article
Looks like they’re about to sow the seeds for their retreat on the vaccines. People in the comments say the same is happening in Oz.

Before people deny they ever said anything coercive or even favourable about the vaccines, I propose we compile a list of shame. Obviously there are the obvious candidates in politics, pharma and the regulators, but the media personalities? Here are some arseholes I’ll be looking to hold accountable for any vaccine death:

Jeremy Vine
Nick Ferrari
Piers Morgan
Lucy Beresford
India Knight
Dominic Lawson
Shelagh Fogarty

Feel free to add to the list. These media whores were first to mind though.

Newman20
Newman20
4 years ago

Tell this priapic Old Etonian to f*** off and mind his own chuffing business.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

It’s all quite simple, really.

Why would you take advice from a proven narcissistic, serial liar?

bowlsman
bowlsman
4 years ago

Of course it’s not true. Neither are yesterdays test figures. How do you get so many positives when tests havn’t been available from chemists or from online order for 2 days. I havn’t been able to get them for 3 days where I live (west mids).
It’s utter nonesense.
Fake news anyone.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

FO BoJo.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

blimey, he doesn’t sound like he’d be much fun at the Christmas ‘work meeting’.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

My uncle has received a letter from the nhs stating that if gets covid symptoms, he can now be treated with an at home pill, sounds like Molnupiravir, initially developed to treat influenza, 

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Bozo has been ordered to ramp it all up starting early January and has decided to let the people of this country have one last fling before the real evil kicks in.

That’s my take – I do hope I am wrong.

FrankFisher
FrankFisher
4 years ago

Boris Johnson said that 90% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated

No he didn’t. I watched him. He said 90% were not boosted. 

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

My personal observation is that those that get the boosta often come down with the dreaded covids shortly afterwards – ‘missed it by that much’.
It is almost like they are injecting the disease into people.

Mac57
Mac57
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Together in Cardiff (God bless them!)
My daughter – boosted (3rd jab) Thursday 23 Dec – LFT positive Sunday 26, PCR positive Monday 27
My son in law – boosted (3rd jab) Friday 24 Dec – LFT positive Thursday 30, likely PCR positive if daughter is anything to go by.
Any more for any more?

Roger A
Roger A
4 years ago

But as a booster follows two previous vaccinations then surely 90% of patients in ICU are double vaccinated.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Roger A

Yes, but double perforated now counts the same as unperforated. Remember Through the Looking Glass? You run and run and at the end of it, you’re back where you started.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Six impossible things before breakfast

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

I’m sorry Mr Johnson but I don’t recognise your authority.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago

Listening to Bunter talk about anything technical is like watching a dog trying to crochet.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Dogs are excellent at the art of croquet.

Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Some are also rabid and barking-mad. This cur definitely is.

Star
Star
4 years ago

“Boris Johnson said that 90% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated”.

Error!

That’s not what Boris Johnson said. He said “unboosted“, not “unvaccinated”.

I do not believe Johnson for one single moment.

Starmer should eviscerate him on this, but he won’t.

Will’s piece cites Sajid Javid and the Times article from 4 December which cites NHS England as saying that “between July and November more than nine in 10 patients receiving the most specialist care, in which artificial lungs were used to try to save their lives, were unvaccinated”.

Johnson isn’t saying that. In a very Trumpian way, he said

“I have talked to doctors who say the numbers are running up to 90% of people in intensive care who are not boosted.”

There is NO WAY that that’s true.

Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

There is NO WAY that that’s true.

It’s not!

Thanks to Julian for posting below:

https://twitter.com/kateemccann/status/1476143761243656197?s=21

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

In plain English, Numbers are running up to 90% of people in intensive care who are not boosted means Less than 90% of people in intensive care are not boosted (but someone claims to be convinced that 90% will eventually be reached).

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

‘Starmer should eviscerate him on this, but he won’t.’

Both are on team globalist, the Tories and Labour are essentialy the same party, which is why Labour keep on voting for Johnson’s covid scam.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

One doctor has claimed it. Is all he’s saying.
Darling, she meant nothing to me.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

BoJo the clown taken to COURT over Covid Passes

A civil liberties campaign group has threatened the government with a legal challenge over the introduction of “discriminatory” Covid passes for large venues in England.

Government threatened with legal challenge over ‘discriminatory’ Covid passes

James Kreis
James Kreis
4 years ago
Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago

We are supposed to be going to my other half’s sister tomorrow. We have met her intermittently over the past 20 months. Last time was about a month ago. She and her husband are triple jabbed.

Out of the blue, she has texted him and suggested that we take LF tests before meeting, and they will do the same.

My response is simple: No, no, no.

My other half says he will claim to have done it and it’s clear, but I refuse to lie. I won’t take one (a moot point as we don’t have any, lol), but I refuse to validate someone else’s neurosis.

So it’s going to be an interesting time, and a test of our relationship!

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I refuse to lie. I am not a good liar and it’s a fucking imposition to have to lie about something that is meant to be a pleasure.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

He says he can’t be doing with arguments, plus she isn’t going to know if you took a test or not.

I’m still not playing along. It’s just against everything I am. It’s admitting I think there’s a danger and a problem, and I won’t do it. He might have to go on his own.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

At work one colleague is saying he may not serve a maskless person. Told him is was diskrim against the likes of me, the exempt. The vidians are encroaching for sure though…

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Potential contravention of the Equality Act right there – if the person isn’t able to wear a mask because of a recognised medical condition, then this will apply.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Shame. I think I would not go. I might make an exception for someone very very close and dear to me, perhaps a parent who had nurtured me, or a child. Not for anyone else. Of course they won’t know but that’s not the point. Pushing someone into a corner and making them into a liar is very rude.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

What happens if she wants to see evidence – maybe make him take an LFT outside her home and wait in the shed for 30 minutes for the lines to show in that little plastic piece of crap from a Christmas cracker Made in China?
Will you be wearing face masks inside their home?

My partner’s sister had a graduation party for her daughter 3 weeks ago – about 30 guests (relations) – all had to wear face masks inside her house. I’m not joking. I didn’t go to that freak show.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I believe you. People have gone demented. I don’t wear a mask, and certainly wouldn’t for a family visit.

It is batshit insanity.

8bit
8bit
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

A strange tale. It prompts the tricky philosophical question, Why would one want to socialize with deranged morons.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  8bit

Well, to be fair, they’ve been ok up until now. That’s why I’m surprised. And she is his sister. I don’t have any siblings, so don’t really know what it’s like.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I wonder how Carrie and Boris are getting on with their relationship. As Boris doesn’t wear a face mask and clearly knows Covid is a con, I’m guessing Carrie also is aware that Covid is a fraud, as she hasn’t moved out, has she?
Boris lies, Carrie supports him.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Did she take the deadbabyjuice while pregnant with little Rabid?
She said she did – I expect she did.

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I think your position is the correct one.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Trying to make people think is always a bit of a lost cause because they often resent that, but you could try the following: Assuming she and her husband watch BBC evening news, they should remember numerous reports about the terrible situation of the population of Afghanistan — because the Taliban are again in power there. Judging from these reports, they don’t seem to have any COVID there. Isn’t this a bit strange?

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I was supposed to be meeting up with a friend for lunch at some point in the next few weeks. She’s called it off because I don’t (and won’t) engage in the testing obsession.

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

I refuse to live like a hermit in Johnson’s State of Fear. 2022 is the year I sincerely hope humanity rejects all the governmental and corporate terrorism, and starts to live again, like we are supposed to.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Do the dinghy people get 3 jabs on arrival?

If you’ve not had any jabs, is there any point in having one, if you have to wait at least 12 weeks between jabbing, the Omicon wave will be over by then & you’ll need a 4th or 5th jab to protect you against mutants.

I’ve concluded It’s impossible to catch up & it’s best to just not bother at all.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

“I’ve concluded It’s impossible to catch up & it’s best to just not bother at all.”

Yeah, there always seems to be so many better things to do….

DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago

Remember when this all started we were hearing from doctors Italian wards were filled with young people. Reality is the average age of death was 82. Then there was the almost everyone in hospital was unvaxed. Then it turned out that the data came from a period when 80% of the nation was. Now another word from a doctor that Boris repeats without any data to back it up (and the fact many of the patients in ICU are secondary Covid patients and that they have been there long enough to have never gotten their booster during Delta anyways).

We must demand of our government and the media this old fashioned thing called facts. Show us Boris that those in ICU, primarily for Covid, are boosterless and the date of admission.

The data brings truth and truth will set you free!

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

See further down this comments section for clarifications and comments on this topic

Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago

“I cannot stress too much how vital it is..” for everyone to ignore Boris Johnson’s bullsh*t and get on with living their lives.

DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

The only notice I am now giving is grabbing my Exemption badge on the way out the door so snotty people don’t bother me.

Oh and deleting the constant messages to my phone for my booster.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

Word of advice, never give a government department or public sector service your phone number, insist on snail mail contact.

Another word of advice, never give your phone or email to private sector corporations if you have any value for your privacy.

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago

Once a lying sack of shit, always a lying sack of shit….

“If you are not vaccinated you are eight times more likely to get into hospital altogether.”

When is the next election? Then again, who is there to vote for?

Smileits1984
Smileits1984
4 years ago

He’s still talking a heap of stinking horseshit, even as he tries to placate the Tory rebels. What an absolute cunt. Fuck him

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

Don’t beat about the bush.
Just say what you really think.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

You won’t be joining his fan club, then?!

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Sod off Johnson, I am out to enjoy myself, along with others on the 31st.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Cautious and sensible? Get Tae fuck, Kim Jong-Johnson, you and your domestic abuse, imposed on whim.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Any doctors in the house?

Do people just drop dead? Warning: someone just dropping dead! (Ignore the narrator)

Throw your smartphone away.

PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

I shall say this cautiously and sensibly.

Fuck off Johnson!

mishmash
mishmash
4 years ago

Latest Ice Age Farmer video.

Vaccine mandates steadily crippling the supply chain. Farmers not even being allowed to deliver grain without proof of compliance.

China is expected to have stockpiled 69% of the global maize reserves in the first half of crop year 2022, 60% of its rice and 51% of its wheat. China knows what is coming.

Amtrup
Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Thx!

PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Boozer. Not booster.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

Shove your booster up yer ass. And the first two.

However, they will argue that since jabbings were brought in, hardly anyone has died of covid.

I realise that nowhere near 145,000 have died from covid, but how do WE explain the apparent drop in deaths since this time last year?

If it wasn’t the jabs, are they simply lying (which sounds bonkers), or how do we counter this argument?

Any thoughts?

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

The variants are milder and a lot of the most vulnerable already succumbed in spring 2020

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Okay. Why are they being psychotic about the milder variants (cabals, corruption, intentional evil, etc. aside)? Why is it still continuing?

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

“cabals, corruption, intentional evil, etc. aside” I think you’ve covered it all really. Arse-covering, love of power – evil and corrupt whichever way you look at it

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

So the jabs had no effect or some effect? (They will always contrast 145,000 dead with 1,800 jab side effects deaths in order to claim they saved the world).

In short maybe Toby was partially right about cockups, but the exorbitances of governments (e.g. Austria, Australia) need to be added to this for a fuller, more realistic, explanation.

For the record, I agree it is all demonic bullcrap, but I just want a concise ‘reasonable’ description for casual conversations with compliers.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

No real idea about the jabs, tbh. Gut feel is that they didn’t help much, but the data regarding covid is irretrievably compromised (deliberate). Even if they did help, mass vaxxing of healthy non-vulnerable people for political purposes was and is simply evil.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Maybe the jabs were ALL saline? Or some other harmless solution. The idea is to make people subservient and take them as a sign of their total and unquestioning obedience. Their reward – the Vaxx Pass. Which gets taken away from them is they dare to misbehave.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

My mother in law is convinced there’s nothing in the jabs. She’s 80 something and thinks all of this is utter nonsense. She doesn’t want to be “saved”.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’m seeing massive deterioration in one of my parents which can only be attributable to the jabs. How also do we account for the post jabbing deaths and injuries – the rash of myocarditis cases in footballers and other athletes? Yeadon is convinced of the bad batch theory – it is hard to discount this.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Well given the side-effects, they couldn’t all have been, right?

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Best to say it is pharma ruthlessly making money. Which is true too.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Part of it is classic disaster capitalism – when there is social disruption (whatever the cause) politicians and big business will look to use that to further their own ends – in this case, the politicians appear to be using it to try to introduce digital ID and further surveilance, and certain sectors of big business are doing very well indeed out of it – big pharma, obviously, but also others such as Amazon and Microsoft.

There are, of course, extensive ties between government and big business and the two are happy to work together for mutual benefit…

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Thanks. So that could be filed under corruption or intentional evil or cabals.

I suppose stupidity is a reason, albeit from the populace more than governments.

Also power factions, and the marginalising/censorship of dissent, consultation, scientific scrutiny.

A lot to unpack, but not too difficult once youve lived through it!

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Stupidity (gullibility) on the part of the general population, and cowardice from institutions, but the chief liars know they are lying. No way that Whitty et al don’t know this is all bollocks, they are way cleverer than you or I, ditto the PM – he may not do detail but he’s not daft.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Sure. And if it’s lies, it seems it comes back to cabals or some ‘inner circle’ devilry. Maybe a ‘soft cabal’ of some kind rather than an omnipotent sort.

Cleverer than us? We’ll see! 😏

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Soft cabal? Maybe. Rulers since time immemorial have generally tended to want more power, if they can get away with it.

Cleverer than us in so far as understanding viral epidemics, but I think guilty of hubris which will be their downfall.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Soft as in banal, I guess. It’s not Darth Sidious and Count Dooku, but Skeletor Blair and some other bores… a bunch of masons, essentially. They’ve probably been around for a long time, but nobody cared until now. They are much less powerful than they like to believe, long-term.

I suppose I am trying to ‘de-psychoticize’ the ‘cabal phenomenon’ (or postulation) in order to clear some of the rhetorical mist (without denying any real truth in it) and get a more balanced perspective.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Who knows? Some people seem sure, I am not convinced there’s enough evidence for anyone to be sure. What I convinced of is that these bastards know they are lying and do not mean well, and that means they are sinful (and probably criminal) and deserve severe punishment, in this life or the next.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Because they can.
My take on this from the beginning was that this was all about control of people. International travel restrictions remain in place. Most people are now prisoners in their own countries. It is possible to travel abroad, but nowhere near as easy as pre-March 2020, with having to arrange PCR tests and paperwork, the expense of this, and the quarantines imposed.

Now that governments have seen how willing their populations have been to bend to their demands, why give up these powers of ’emergency’?

Even if ‘Covid’ has gone (even if it existed, I have my doubts) it will still be milked and used as an excuse. As we all know, all it takes is for someone – anyone – to say there’s another ‘variant’ on the loose and the Covid Circus will continue to rumble along.
Just as MPs will continue to glance at e-mails from their constituents and consign them to the trash folder. If you are just moaning and not offering them £50,000, they’re not interested.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

“International travel restrictions remain in place. “

Except for those without any documents illegally entering the country across the channel and lying about their age etc.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago

Border Force = Patel’s Taxi Service. They give a call half way across the Channel to be picked up. On the other hand, I have been reading about some of the terrible things many real refugees are face with.
My general outlook is to take genuine refugees in, look after them, and return them to their own country when it gets put back in order.

It is a complicated thing all in all, and we must remember that it is British arms manufacturers supplying weapons to the likes of the Saudis who are bombing Yemen. There shouldn’t be refugees in the first place.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

It all gets a bit messy…. but anyway, let’s get back to Covid and thinking of drowning Johnson in a barrel of piss.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

“return them to their own country when it gets put back in order.”

Possibly, but a lot of these countries never seem to get back in order. Not that we have much to shout about any more.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Why did they shift from promoting travel, to restricting it, on non-Covidian terms?

None of them believe in Climate nonsense, do they?

Isn’t there more money and power in allowing free-flow of people across borders, including wealthy tourists, than in restricting it?

You are right, I believe, that the ‘Covid-effect’ will linger for decades: buggering up all our lives on so many levels.

Once almost everyone agrees Covid is lethal, a culture and economy of Covid develops, which will prove very hard to dismantle (it may need a revolution after all).

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I doubt they believe in the climate nonsense or anything else except their own power and glory – they will jump on whatever bandwagon is going to get and hold on to power, prestige, money, glory and keep themselves out of jail.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

SO they might well jettison both the Covid ‘tool’ and the Climate ‘tool’ at any time, to stay ahead of the curve.

Thus nasty politicians will prepare to emerge as ‘saviours’ in 1-2 years and ‘abolish covidianism’ if it suits them, or Climate crap.

Their own perverse utilitarian evil is funnily enough our only hope, as it were (it’s not really, but you known what I mean).

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

The covid tool has worked well so far but they seem to be running out of steam and having to tell bigger and bigger lies. I try not to think about the future too much, just try to stay healthy mentally and physically, enjoy life, look after my family and push back against the Big Lie in whatever way I can.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Overall, if all this is true, it just strikes me as such a pointless waste.

‘Man is appointed to die once, and then face judgement’ (Hebrews 9:27).

‘For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted’ (2 Corinthians 12:21)

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I am afraid the whole covid panic has been the most pointless waste in global history, which has benefited a tiny number of people only, and only for a short time, but set back progress by a long way (or it’s indicative that we have been going in the wrong direction for a long time).

I don’t know know why anyone would want to be a lying bastard ruler, but that’s just me – not my thing. Doesn’t seem like much fun, but we’re all different. Hard to think that sort of person has sweet dreams, but perhaps I just like to think that’s the case.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I don’t think there’s much doubt that the vaccines work initially. The question is, can the country afford to keep buying universally-offered booster shots from now to eternity?
Much better to get some proper full immunity from Omicron and then ride it out.
Oh, and the ‘initially’ bit obviously ignores any damage that might ensue to the body’s immune system from repeated vax treatments, and other long-term effects that can’t be known yet because of the speed of vax development and approval.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

So, a summary:

  • Covid was a real disease, but lethal overwhelmingly for the unlucky ‘old and vulnerable’
  • Less than 145,000 have died of Covid (50,000? who knows?) – not so many as to constitute ‘excess death’ for the years 2020-2021
  • Early deaths of old/vulnerable were not replicated later due to most of these groups acquiring some natural immunity, before getting vaccines
  • Vaccines possibly helped reduce the death-toll
  • Milder variants probably helped reduce the death-toll
  • There is not enough reliable data to say how effective the vaccines were
  • Vaccines work initially, but lose efficacy rapidly, so the State ordains more and more vaccines
  • The state does not recognise Natural Immunity/Natural Immune System defence against Covid
  • The state has ignored Covid treatments, alternative science, rational criticism, vax side-effects
  • The state has used terror methods, censorship, fear, propaganda, coercion, etc etc.
  • And so… a tyranny has arisen

Is all this, if reliable, cock-upism, cabal inspired, or a hybrid, or neither?

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

“Less than 145,000 have died of Covid (50,000? who knows?) – not so many as to constitute ‘excess death’ for the years 2020-2021”

There was an increase in all-cause mortality in 2020 (and this year) against recent years which have seen the lowest mortality ever recorded. 2020 was at 2008 levels – possibly a bit of covid and a bit of collateral damage from lockdowns, and withdawal of care. Lots of other countries, including countries with lots of “covid deaths” had HARDLY ANY increase in mortality as against recent years. So covid has probably had some impact but it’s NOT a societal level emergency and not exceptional.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes. The ‘exceptionlity’ was in the few years when mortality bottomed out.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

“I don’t think there’s much doubt that the vaccines work initially.”

Work how? For whom? I’ve never seen any convincing data. “Covid deaths” went up sharply at the same time as the vaccines were initially rolled out to the vulnerable, in the UK and elsewhere. IMO anyone not vulnerable is bananas if they get vaxxed for health reasons given the very low risk of covid and the unknown long term (and short term) risks of the emergency, experimental vaxx. Anyone vulnerable, I am not convinced either. The data has been obfuscated at every turn.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

“Much better to get some proper full immunity from Omicron and then ride it out.”

That will only work for the unjabbed – and the full immunity is not recognised by nation states because it makes no money for big pharma

The jabbed will never have proper full immunity because of what the jabs have done to their immune system – they are now on that jabbing conveyor belt for life, apart from the fact that the jabs are also harming their immune system to produce something akin to vaccine acquire immuno deficiency syndrome [a kind of jab derived aids]

FrankFisher
FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Read the Pfizer trial results. No overall mortality benefit, and that’s even with the fiddling of figures the whistleblower revealed. The vax do next to nothing.

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