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Archbishop Justin Welby Criticises the Unvaccinated for Going Against ‘Love Thy Neighbour’

by Luke Perry
22 December 2021 10:17 AM

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has said that those who refuse to take the Covid vaccine are opposing the Christian principle of ‘love thy neighbour’. Welby cited the alleged benefits of immunisation, such as reducing “my chances of infecting others”, and declared that “now obviously there are some people who, for health reasons, can’t be vaccinated – different question – but it’s not about me and my rights to choose”. MailOnline has more.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said being vaccinated against Covid is a moral issue.  

The Most Reverend Justin Welby said that getting the jab reduces the chances of illness being spread and that “it’s not about me and my rights to choose – it’s about how I love my neighbour”.

His comments come as Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that people could go ahead with their Christmas plans but there is “continuing uncertainty” about the severity of the fast-spreading Omicron variant and hospital admission rates.

Asked during an interview with ITV News At Ten if being vaccinated is a “moral issue”, the Archbishop said: “I’m going to step out on thin ice here and say, yes, I think it is.”

He added: “A lot of people won’t like that, but I think it is because it’s not about me and my rights.

“Now obviously there are some people who, for health reasons, can’t be vaccinated – different question – but it’s not about me and my rights to choose.

“It’s about how I love my neighbour. Vaccination reduces my chances – doesn’t eliminate – but it reduces my chances of getting ill and reducing my chances of getting ill reduces my chances of infecting others. It’s very simple.

“So I would say yes, to love one another – as Jesus said – get vaccinated, get boosted.”

On whether it would be immoral not to get the jab when you are in a position to have it, Welby said: “I understand why people don’t.”

He added: “But I would say, go and get boosted, get vaccinated. It’s how we love our neighbour. Loving our neighbour is what Jesus told us to do. It’s Christmas: do what he said.”

Figures from NHS England show that 1,904 people were in hospital in London with Covid as of December 21st, the highest number since March 2nd and up 41% from a week earlier.

Across England, 6,902 patients were in hospital with Covid on December 21st – the highest number since November 10th and up 7% week-on-week.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Justin WelbyVaccine efficacyVaccines

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
3 years ago

He’s not my neighbour, he can fuck off.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

To be fair, though, if he was your neighbour you’d tell him to fuck off anyway.

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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

And maybe challenge him to a “square go” next time you were pissed. (Or you could just cut out the middle man and pretend to be pissed).

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

I remember prior to 2020 all my neighbours were extremely worried about my health, property and well-being. NOT! Yes I’m immoral. Although I think not a tiny bit more than any politician in Europe.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

He used to be a businessman: just what liability does he have when they go wrong?

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Paul_Somerset
Paul_Somerset
3 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Fair point, well made.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Is he seriously wearing 2 masks in that photo??

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

He really does look lunatic, doesn’t he, with the fish hat and his wife’s spotted hankie.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Don’t you have to be lunatic to do the job he’s doing in the face of all the empirical evidence that JC, climate change and Wuflu problems don’t exist ?? I don’t mind anyone having wacky beliefs, that’s their problem. But just don’t try to ram their fruitcake ideas down my throat as if they are facts

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Sambagirl
Sambagirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I like the embroidery on the hat…

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Artemis
Artemis
3 years ago

Given that many Christians object to vaccines derived from foetal cell lines (which includes Pfizer, Moderna and to an even greater extent, AstraZeneca), you’d think he’d take a more nuanced view.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Head of the neither hot nor cold I will spew thee out of my mouth church.

The remaining Christians in the remaining few churches with Christian vicars have to break away.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I am told by a friend that the Chester dicese will sack any vicar transgessing any of the Covid rules and shut down the church. They are apparently looking for excuses to shut down churches that ar not achieving their 10% tithe of the income estimated to be the norm for their area.
Particularly tough on the local church when the income was assessed on the basis of the largely expensive local houses, but uses up to date population figures which include several massive mid-range housing estates.
So on a cost benefit analysis, which the new church management do, they are no longer profitable.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

The end of Christianity in Britain.
Does the Church of England have some kind of deal with Pfizer & pals?
Let’s all worship The Money!

“The Pfizer and the Moderna and the Holy Vaccine” 

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-welby

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

The irony is that often the centralisation by dioceses which decided glebe land was better dealt with by the diocese, has meant those same churches having lost their income are now expected to pay their way, and pay for burgeoning numbers of central officers, no matter how historically unfair that is.

Meanwhile the church commissioners sit on a pot which admittedly pays clergy pensions, but is also either squirreled away over and above what is reasonable, or squandered on favourites. e.g. trendy and ephemeral pet projects run by people in ‘cool’ jeans and trainers who do church-lite without all that pesky doctrinal or ‘difficult’ stuff.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

There are still Anglican churches which have 2 readings from Scripture, say the creed, and preach the gospel. In order that they ‘hold the line’ it is necessary to support them, because these days many want, effectively, to sing:

“Crown it with many crowns,
The virus on the throne,
Hark how the dismal anthem drowns
All sound except its own.”

For many that is utterly unacceptable, and we want the right words, not this idolisation of ‘the science’, extreme hypochondria, and rank fear of death (which used to be considered sins.)

For many of us Anglicans there is no other church to go to, and this, in its best manifestations, most adheres to what we believe.

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AllieT
AllieT
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Or be part of an Independent Fellowship as we are.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago
Reply to  AllieT

Best place to be.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

What, an archbishp actually thinking before opening gob? Never.

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

As a Christian, my main objection to these jabs is that they’re gene therapy. They force your cells to create a non-human protein in the human body. You’d think Christians would be a bit more wise to that than this!

Last time God decided to wipe out the whole of humanity in Genesis 6:4 was when they went down the road of mating with non-humans, corrupting and compromising their divine humanity and God’s creation.

Whether as a Christian you believe that God created humans 6000 years ago or whether you believe in a continuously guided process of evolution, we can say with certainty that at each stage of creation/evolutionary development our genes dictated what proteins were created in our bodies. We did not have genetic modification from external sources. And looking at the vision they now have for “genetic medicine” and mRNA being the “software of life” that they are going to create their own “operating system” for (see Moderna’s website for example), I think we’ve started down a slippery slope towards the abomination of transhumanism under the guise of a vaccine. That this snake calls it “loving your neighbour” should get him sent to the darkest pit of hell.

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annieob
annieob
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

I very much doubt that Welby sees the Old Testament as revelation. Or the New, actually.

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

Maybe not, but I can’t imagine anything more blasphemous than coercing people to turn over control of their genome, to (metaphorically speaking) install an “operating system” over their existing God-given operating system. Then turning Christians against one another to make it happen under the authority of scripture.

He disgusts me.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

Sounds mighty like a mark of the beast.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

The nephilim and tartarus?

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Exactly.

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Mounsey

My objection as a Christian is the multitude of outright lies being told by Govt, and NOT challenged by the churches (inc. Welby) but instead lapping them up.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

It should be clear to him that it’s something that Christians can legitimately come to different decisions on for themselves. To say that you’re immoral and going against Jesus’ command to love one another if you don’t reach the same personal decision as him – that’s pushing people in the direction of doing something they believe to be wrong. Paul talks about that in 1 Corinthians 8:

4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

7 However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. 9 But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols? 11 And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. 12 Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

In other words, you’re free to eat meat offered up to idols, but don’t cause people who believe it’s wrong to do it.

Maybe he believes that those who object to the use of foetal cell lines have ‘weak consciences’, but that’s no excuse for the Archbishop to encourage them to go against their consciences. The same goes for reaching different views on the harms and benefits of particular people taking it – especially children.

He’s completely in the wrong here.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

And if the Archbishop doesn’t think Christians can genuinely (whether they’re right or wrong) have moral objections, he should listen to this:

https://irreverend.buzzsprout.com/1303861/9234563-podcast-extra-abortion-and-the-covid-19-vaccines-w-dave-brennan-of-brephos

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

And doing no more than using Jesus in the process. The lowest of the low in terms of an argument.

I would imagine that God would want me to use my God given intelligence to read widely, think hard and then make the best decision for myself based on my own individual circumstances.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Oh, but he’s ever so nuanced! (as in failing to distinguish between good and evil).

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Church of marx doesn’t care about any of that…

He’s a “modernist”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUSTKisEgTo

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

This archbishop in the USA does not agree with his fellow archbishop.

The U.S. archbishop is in the minority in the religion/faith community, I would say.

We should have faith in Fauci.

https://theamericanreport.org/2021/12/19/his-excellency-archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-message-to-the-american-people/?fbclid=IwAR3u9Vvben6y0Ot2gF1JmKmJBwe3X8fUmVPy1KLsXuwZ3n0XX1XleItp1t4

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Yes… you’d think that… except maybe he’s found a more interesting hobby than the Church.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-welby

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Bobby Lobster
Bobby Lobster
3 years ago

So, the double-masked, simple, rich, communist is talking about love thy neighbour? Just to remind him – they are not vaccines, they are not safe, and they are about as useful as masks!

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Lobster

They’re about as useful as he is!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Lobster

And he thinks they stop transmission!🤦

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

He it will hopefully stop him stop giving bad advice in the future.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Lobster

Indeed. Welby is a clueless atheistic globalist puppet.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Welby is a cunt

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Him and Pope Idiot

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s a sign of the times that the Archbishop of Canterbury appears not to be a Christian and the Pope appears not to be a Catholic.

When I see bears being treated for constipation I will know these are the End Times.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

RAD, Thanks for a good laugh – much needed.

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dismalswamp
dismalswamp
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Pope Belgrano

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That may be so, but I bet he’s a rich cunt. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-welby

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago

What a w*nker he is! Double-masked in that photo – maybe he’d find a third mask even more effective?
FO Welby!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

He needs a bucket over the head.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Looks like he’s already got one.

I don’t remember Jesus saying “Thou shall dress like a glam rock storm trooper”.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

There’s one on his head, but you right it needs to be pushed downwards and very hard.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

This man by his words and actions is not a Christian and in fact is in his position to deliberately destabilise the Church and demoralise actual Christians.

Change my mind.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

And Archbishop Vigano makes the same point about the state of Christianity and the Catholic Church.

Welby and the Pope are both Davos Monkeys.

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

He also believes in the ‘climate change’ religion despite the total lack of actual evidence, and the severe harms to people the net-zero policies will do.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago

Well, as the church doesn’t seem to think f*cking choir boys is a “moral issue”, I’ll look elsewhere for guidance on what it means to ‘love thy neighbour’!

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

The choir boy is the neighbour though!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

Seems to be a very coordinated campaign of demonisation going on at the moment.

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Adamb
Adamb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yep, getting a touch frightening.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Next up we’ll have ‘priests’ sacrificing ‘The Unvaccinated’ upon the altars of CofE churches. A dagger through the heart and the blood handed round in the chalice.

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Camps are looming

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Remember that the CofE is an integral part of the establishment, with 26 seats in the House of Lords. Very few countries have an established religion with official presence in government like this (is Iran the onl yother one?). As the CofE’s membership continually declines this becomes ever-more intolerable, but the government have no interest in doing what ought to be done – disestablishing the CofE and kicking the bishops out of the HoL – as it’s not seen as a vote-winner. Most people underestimate the CofE’s political influence, and wrongly regard it as a well-meaning organisation (when in reality it is simply self-serving and will put the boot in to anyone if it suits its purpose to do so).

By backing up the government over this, Welby is reinfocing the CofE’s position of influence.

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Dave
Dave
3 years ago

“I understand why people don’t.”
You could try reading some stats on risk vs benefits of the vax instead of parroting the party line

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

A disgrace in the past, and more so now. He’s about as amoral as Johnson and his crew of medicos, politicos and other trash. Also a remarkably stupid man, whose main achievements are expediting the destruction of the C of E, and closing their churches to the faithful.

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AxelStone
AxelStone
3 years ago

Well, the core part of his argument is this bit: “Vaccination reduces my chances – doesn’t eliminate – but it reduces my chances of getting ill and reducing my chances of getting ill reduces my chances of infecting others. It’s very simple.”

It reduces your chance of a severe outcome from the illness but does it actually reduce your chance of getting ill, at all?

Does a reduced chance of getting ill then mean you reduce the chance of infecting others?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

How do they prove any of that, what you would have had if you haven’t had it

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Exactly so.

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steve_z
steve_z
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

makes you same infectious but less symptoms apparently

ie vaxxed are superspreaders

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

No these injections do not inoculate you agaist anything. They turn the cells of the body – in the organs brain heart and bone marrow and blood vessels – all over – into a factiory of a toxic synthetic protein found nowhere in nature via injection of a genetic code which was designed in a computer. Oh and nanotech has been found in the vials all over the world by multiple credible sources. Oh and the blood of all the jabbed looks like a complete mess and the chances are their genetically reset immune systems wont last the distance. These jabs are The Mark Of The Beast. That this piece of shit lowlife scumbag agent of The Devil is recommending The Mark Of The Beast is all you need to know about the current state of The Church.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Supporting evidence:

GERMAN DOCTORS REVEAL ALARMING FINDINGS FROM VARIOUS VIALS AND VACCINATED BLOOD
https://www.bitchute.com/video/O9PRmbrApb0q/

Dr Zandra Botha Reveals Her HORRIFIC Findings After Examining Vaxxed Clients & Then Vials
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UPZclYFCtDPS/

1967 recording by Myron C Fagon exposing the masterminds at the head of the illuminati (CFR)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FnrE9bDy7Ea7/

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Dr. Robert Malone’s Warning To All Parents On mRNA Vaccines | Global Covid Summit
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0tmCWw1iSuo1/

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

While there is more technical evidence of nanotech being part of the vaccines, this video testimony by a Spanish doctor should be disturbing enough. https://rumble.com/vppv0h-dr.-luis-de-benito-shares-part-of-his-report-on-the-mac-address-phenomenon-.html
 

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

It *might* reduce chances of a severe outcome – that is becoming less and less clear and it might well go the same way as earlier claims of reducing transmission.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

If vaccination increases the chance that you’ll be walking around and not even know you have it, while still having the same viral load as somebody who is lying in bed away from others, doesn’t that increase the likelihood you’ll spread it?

Last edited 3 years ago by djmo
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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

Covid vaccination is Big Pharma’s way of creating superspreaders.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

I have this horrible suspicion that he has never heard of either immune escape or antibody dependent enhancement. As for hoping he understands the conjuring trick being played with cycle thresholds, or even the multiplier between each one, I wouldn’t think so. I also doubt that he knows how the PCR test works.

Nor will he have heard what Robert Malone, inventor of gene therapy said, i.e. that this is the “first time in history that the ineffectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those who haven’t taken it.”

Does he really believe that those who threw the existing strategies for addressing a viral epidemic in the bin and went off on a totalitarian tack were “loving their neighbour”. Where are his critical faculties.

Did Solzhenitsyn suffer and write for nothing? Would Bonhoeffer have bowed to these totalitarian diktats?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

Did Magna Carta die in vain?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

The Gulag Archipelago are a tough read on many fronts. We are all in a “Gulag” now.

Last edited 3 years ago by 186NO
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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

Given that the injected carry a viral load if re-infected up to 251 times that of the un-injected I would suggest this idiot is lying, bullshiting or both.

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eastender53
eastender53
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

It has been proven that the vaccinated have the same oronasal viral load as the unvaccinated. Ergo they can spread it as well as the next man, or woman, or preferred pronoun!

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

But that is completely unscientific.

Firstly, vaccination means you can shed spike protein which could be very harmful to the unvaccinated.

And the unvaccinated might already have had covid in which case they would have nice strong natural immunity which means they won’t be infecting anyone with anything

And lastly, the vaccine does not stop you catching covid and does not stop you transmitting it – the PM said so and it is captured on video.

Where has Welby been??? How can he not know this before he pontificates and lectures on such matters?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

I think he has not listened to Boris, evidently not seen Whitty committing professional suicide by making claims on a national TVNHS advert he cannot back up and definitely not the manufacturers’ information. I fear he has been rendered delusional by recent injections.

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steve_z
steve_z
3 years ago

south africa is calling this a storm in a teacup

europe has collectively shat itself

maybe our jabbed and boosted population is not so healthy?

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

The Bish goes full Fauci with two facerags. He trusts neither in the Lord nor the jab.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

*European dictators have collectively made their populations shit themselves.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

What a load of…., unless he really is thick he will know that. Vaccines have always protected the vaccinated and no one else and its propaganda to think otherwise. A lot of people need to be deradicalized after the onslaught of the past 20 months

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

Render unto Pfizer…

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago

Fuck off and get your own house in order before lecturing others. You could start with the CofE’s pathetic complaints policies, which are so weak and inadequate that no secular organisation which works with kids and vulnterable adults (as the CofE does) would ever regard them as acceptable.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Stay away from me, you vaccinated spreaders, works both ways

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Another religious figure hath spoken today.
Masky Mark McClown, High Pontiff of The Western Lands, has decreed a third jab upon the realm. Hail Masky Mark!

McGowan Silence, Peasant.jpg
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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

I never thought “love thy neighbour” was a one way street.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

I’m taking a massive stab that all of this could be about money, once a banker

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I have posted this below but will repost here because it is most appropriate as an answer.
I am told by a friend that the Chester dicese will sack any vicar transgessing any of the Covid rules and shut down the church. They are apparently looking for excuses to shut down churches that ar not achieving their 10% tithe of the income estimated to be the norm for their area.
Particularly tough on the local church when the income was assessed on the basis of the largely expensive local houses, but uses up to date population figures which include several massive mid-range housing estates recently built.
So on a cost benefit analysis, which the new church management do, they are no longer profitable.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Not much point in converting into pubs now either

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Not money.
Cowardice. Flagrant unbelief. Complete deafness to the true meaning of. Christianity, life, science, the universe, and everything.

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CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Agree completely. The operators behind the global putsch, at least the visible ones, all appear to be suffering from *love* of money syndrome and as such have fully imbibed “ye shall be as gods” in the misapprehension that they have become masters of the universe.
But pride cometh before the fall, and all that.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

CofE is fabulously wealthy – has pension funds invested for vicars pensions etc – wonder what shareholdings CofE currently has their money invested in. Would FoI request be able to find out if they have shares in AZ or Pfizer????

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago

Our prayer group, convened in January this year for prayers about Lockdown and other things connected with this ‘pandemic’, has written TWICE to the Archbishop and on neither occasion have we received a useful response.
The first time, in July, we wrote to ask him to make a clear public statement that the so-called ‘Vaccine Passports’ would NEVER bu used in Churches or Church buildings operated by the Church England. By making such a statement, we hoped or expected that all the other denominations would follow. The reply included the mealy-mouthed statement that such ‘passports’ would only be used or required in ‘exceptional circumstances’. Wind the clock on to November and we find that the Bishop of Durham or the Dean of Durham Cathedral (I have not been able to find out which, telephone calls are cut off and emails are ignored) now require sight of the ‘NHS Covid Pass’ to enter the Cathedral for Advent services.
Two of our members have experienced difficulty and/or hostility in attending services without a ‘face-covering’. One of them was asked to wear an exemption badge which is specifically contradicted by the Government guidelines. This led to our second letter as follows:

Your Grace,

Your grace will be aware that the Prime Minister has stated that it is now necessary to wear face-coverings in Church and ‘places of worship’. As your Grace will also be aware, some people can claim exemption from this regulation, and a specific exemption is that they can cause acute distress. We do know that some congregants are aware of this, but others are not.

Accordingly, we entreat you to make a public statement to the effect that exemptions from the use of face-coverings will be accepted and recognised in all Churches of England. Furthermore, the regulations state that (this is under ‘Exemption Cards’):
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:
• you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
• you do not need to show an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
In other words, it is not necessary to display any card or wear a ‘lanyard’ if one is exempt, but we have heard of churches attempting to enforce this.
See:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#if-youre-not-able-to-wear-a-face-covering

We would be most grateful if your Grace could emphasise these regulations all of your clergy.

Yours faithfully,
Members of our Prayer Group

This was the response:

Dear Mr xxxx and other signatories,

Thank you for your recent email to the Archbishop of Canterbury. Much as he would like to, the Archbishop is unable to respond personally and in detail to all the hundreds of emails and letters that he receives, and so I have been asked to reply to you on his behalf.

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns, which have been noted. I will be sure to bring your comments to the attention of those advising the Archbishop on these matters. You may also wish to share your concerns with Bishop Sarah, as Chair of the Church of England’s Recovery Group, and who has been coordinating the Church’s response to the restrictions throughout the pandemic and has been engaging with Government on these matters. You may also wish to share your concerns with your diocesan bishop.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.

Yours sincerely,

Dominic Goodall

This pathetic response, and that is being VERY charitable, can be summed up succinctly as follows:
‘We are not interested in this and don’t care. Go and complain to someone else’
WE DESPERATELY need one (all?) of the Old Testament Prophets to speak God’s word to this apostate bishop and his church.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

As regards Durham, is it being applied across the diocese or just in the cathedral? That should give a fairly strong indication of who is behind it.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Possibly only the Cathedral … at the moment. Do you think this will be rescinded after Epiphany? I don’t.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

What’s so exceptional in Durham, I wonder?

Has anyone considered nailing a thesis to the cathedral door?

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Zionist
Zionist
3 years ago

I am surprised neither of the masks he’s wearing is a palestinian flag.

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Jabby the Hutt
Jabby the Hutt
3 years ago

someone should teach him how to use google

noun: immunisation

  1. the action of making a person or animal immune to infection, typically by inoculation.

inoculate
verb
past tense: inoculated; past participle: inoculated

  1. treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease;
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richteabiscuit
richteabiscuit
3 years ago

He has stepped on thin ice and it’s cracked . . . spectacularly!

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Just another whore doing the bidding of the criminals running this scam. Another agent of Satan wielding power over Brits. Revolution is needed NOW

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

You know where he lives! I’d go and have a strong word with Welby but Wednesday is my sorting my socks drawer out day.

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Mr10Percent
Mr10Percent
3 years ago

Another non-Christian pretending to be a Christian.

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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
3 years ago

“Man that looks like a sex pest and dresses in funny costume talks shite”…..nothing to see here, move on.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

How about putting up notices on church doors: “Unvaccinated NOT Welcome”.

“The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has said that those who refuse to take the Covid vaccine are un-Christian”

Get posting!

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

Don’t you love being preached to by these cultists?

As above, so below, eh Welby?

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Would you take lecture from someone who literally made himself a doormat while begging for forgiveness for our colonial past?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Oh, for my steel-tipped wellingtons and room to swing a leg.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’ve got some ice-grip boots that need cleaning – it’s going to take some time.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Child minders for hire?

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I’d laugh but then I’d vomit.

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rockoman
rockoman
3 years ago

If those being injected are contributing to immune escape, and therefore helping to produce a more dangerous virus, then they are the ones who are being selfish.

Injection sceptics, on the other hand, are actually the selfless ones, because they are taking the risk of infection in order to build up herd immunity.

Furthermore, if those with a greater risk from side effects than from any disease get injected, then they are being double selfish, because they are willing to accept the risk of landing in a hospital bed, which could be used by someone in real need, in order to gain virtue signalling kudos.

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IvorMegdin
IvorMegdin
3 years ago

That guy is a complete scumbag, him being archbishop is like having Dr Shipman running a old people home.

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Felice
Felice
3 years ago

I read this, and my heart sank to my boots.

Well done, Welby. You have just destroyed the message of Christmas as far as I am concerned.

I’d just spent the past couple of weeks slowly dragging myself up from a pit of despair and had got myself to a decent place again. And in one headline, he knocks me straight back down again.

I feel like giving up and dying.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Christmas is about far more than that moron.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

I am not a Christian, but I have always tried to live my life according to many of their recommentations, however in the last few years my traditional philosophy of life has incresingly diverge from the stance of Christianity espoused by Welby and his immediate predecessors, and I don’t think I am a worse person now.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Its just his paid opinion

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Sorry to hear this Felice. There are some churches (not many) that have not succumbed to this nonsense. As it says in the Old Testament and in Romans, ‘there are 7,000 who have not bowed down to Baal’. Dante, in his Inferno, had a special place for some popes, fairly low down, if I remember correctly.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Don’t listen to that slimy, crawling thing.
Listen to the message if the angels. He can’t hear it, but you can.
See the light of Christ.

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cryptical
cryptical
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Dear Felice, don’t do that please. There are true Christians, true pastors, true churches who are not falling for this crap. Please find them. You will be amazed what a difference it makes. God bless you and Merry Christmas.

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Felice
Felice
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Thank you all for your kind words. They are a comfort.
Now to steel myself up for the inevitable onslaught after Christmas. Will it be vaxx passes, vaxx mandates or what???

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Hang in there Felice. He is only a mere man – not God himself. He can’t destroy the message of Christmas. Don’t give him the power to do that.

Don’t give up – I know it is hard – I find it difficult too, but these people doing this are not worth it.

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attilathemum
attilathemum
3 years ago
Reply to  Felice

Don’t give up – the crux of Christmas is the birth of Christ and God with us. Nothing changes that. Clergy wife here – this is a completely rubbish thing to have to deal with two days before one of the biggest days of the church’s year. Have been awake most of the night, stomach churning. We can but keep the faith, pray for God’s will to be done and stand up for the fearful, sad, lonely, bereft and scapegoated. And spread love, not division. Merry Christmas.

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alw
alw
3 years ago

Love Thy Neighbour means respecting their views and who they are. Stop minding other peoples business and do what’s right for you and your family but not for anyone else.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

VERY wise words alw.

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

What an ignorant piece of shit. How did Omicron arrive on these shores Archbishop? Via the double vaxxed.

Jesus would have done his own research, you lying shitbag.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

I have no control over anyone else’s life, so how can it possibly be concluded I’m helping someone else by taking a clotshot?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

I believe there comes a time when you just have to stop reporting the propaganda of the agenda

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Yes focus now, almost 2 years down a track which doesn’t show any signs of ending should be on what we can do about it – to protect ourselves

Are you listening Toby?

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago

Vaccines have negative side effects. We can argue about how prevalent they are, but no medical treatment is 100% safe. Some people will have negative life-changing reactions, and some people will die. Any coercion to take a vaccine against a persons will, will result in people’s deaths, without those people volunteering to take the risk.
There is a term for this:
Human Sacrifice

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A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago

The Church at it’s best, now celebrating 2000 years of ignorance. 

A vaccine will be available shortly for those who still believe the church is Christ’s representative.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

This could be a boon for the ecclesiastical building specialists. Not many of the C of E churches still in use have them nowadays, but leper squints are ideal for allowing the foul “unvaccinated” to peer in upon the dismal service, the masked congregation, and the disguised priest. An immediate construction plan is required.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Broadcasting the service on Zoom is probably the modern-day equivalent!

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago

I’m a Christian, and here are a couple for Welby:

(Matthew 7:15) “Watch out false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves” . Jesus warned of the infiltration of teachers, preachers, and prophets who have the outward appearance of truth and purity, but inside are fueled by evil and deceit. 

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Here’s a Christian:

http://www.theblogmire.com/author/theblogmirecom

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Bellingcat
Bellingcat
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.

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Bellingcat
Bellingcat
3 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

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mikec
mikec
3 years ago

Foxtrot Oscar bish, your audience grows smaller every week and your answer is to abuse those of us who have strong beliefs about right and wrong? Do a bit of research, look at how some scientists are quietly questioning the rationality of mass vaccinationduring a pandemic, ask yourself how we’ve studied cold viruses for 60+ years and have been unable to create a vaccine, and then bingo 6 months later a vaccine?

The fact that the jabbed are now dropping like flies smacks of ADE, I guess we’ll only learn of this when the CLINICAL TRIALS, yes the jab is still in its trial stage, ends in 2023.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  mikec

There are NO clinical trials. The placebo cohort were all injected shortly after the trials commenced. To protect them.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

That was the Phase II trial to determine dosage. This is a larger Phase III trial supposedly to determine the nature and relative risks of side effects. It does also seem to have morphed into a ‘vaxx them all and let God sort it out’ situation.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

HP, “them” being….not the placebo cohort. Surely not, a case of a pharmaceutical manipulating a drug trial? Preposterous idea so please was advance the Listerine around your gums and eject, at once.

Almost finished “Doctoring Data”…..and I would just LOVE to read what Dr K could NOT put in the book for fear of lawsuit reprisal. Statins and SSRIs are the very clear precursors of the these jabs. The revelation that GSK was forced to divulge internal memos, in a 2012 US Court case, proving they had buried damning SSRI trial data has hit me very very very hard. In 2012 I was on one of the 6 drugs that were then banned from being prescribed to adolescents in the US/UK/Canada; not an adolescent but the evident actuality of suicide ideation when on these mind altering drugs is something I can attest to.

A fine of $3.3billion as a result of this case has not deterred this evil enterprise.

And who was the Head of R&D GSK …2012-2017….P Vallance; not suggesting he was the prime mover here, but he certainly was intimately involved in later drug trials by virtue of his position. Something needs to be done with Big Pharma, but they have bought off so much of the “Establishment”….and turkeys don’t vote for …..

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bluefreddy
bluefreddy
3 years ago

Will no-one rid me of this meddlesome priest?

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jc83
jc83
3 years ago

The quote had “especially if he’s a young boy” redacted!

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

Replace the word ‘unvaccinated’ with Jew or Jewish, and we are right back into 1930’s Nazi Germany, and where these kind of statements found favour with certain types.

You should be ashamed of yourself Archbishop.

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

And Welby being from a Jewish family makes it even more appalling.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Prima facie evidence that the unvaxxd children of the jabbed are dying at a way higher rate than they should be. These injections are pure Satan. Bit like Welby.

Karen Kingston | CDC Admits Vaxxed Parents Killing Unvaxxed Kids!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wtA1RZcoVYvc/

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago

So about 2/3 of humanity jumps off an obvious cliff into the genetic abyss, the Gov tries to scare me, and mandate me, into jumping off after them, and The Archbishop of Canterbury tells me I’m not loving my neighbour by refusing to jump off the cliff too.

If you loved your neighbour, wouldn’t you point out the fucking cliff?

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Davke
Davke
3 years ago

Well Marcus, as Peter ( Griffin) once said…..” Holy crap her comes Jesus and he doesn’t look too happy ” .

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Davke

Not so hard to find!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTAfBUXikcQ

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

Manic Street Preachers – If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs

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dismalswamp
dismalswamp
3 years ago

maybe the motherfucker should nail himself to a tree to forgive us of our sins.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

Waste of a good tree.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
3 years ago

Absolutely disgraceful

Demonising people who have exercised their choice regarding medical treatment

First they make a minority the other
then they demonise them
then they segregate them
then they criminalise them for what they are
then they imprison them
then they genocide them

First they came >

The C of E and probably most other religious leaders have been a disgrace during the pandemic – while I am sure that some priests have gone out of their way to provide spiritual help to their faithful – the overall picture stinks

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Margaret
Margaret
3 years ago

A couple of anecdotes.
E-Mail from my friend in Spain who is travelling back to her apartment in the U.K. after Christmas for medical treatment.
”I think of you so often, standing out against having the vaccine. After all what use is it? We have been jabbed with all three lots AND the flu ones but still no better off for travel than this time last year when vaccines didn’t exist”

M and S food hall was rammed this morning. We met the patriarch of the local firm of undertakers, now in his eighties. Neither he nor his wife were wearing masks-and he and his family have been on the front line throughout all of this so they would know what’s going on wouldn’t they?

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Undertakers always know what is and isn’t going down.

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

Undertaker who went to collect my poor fathers body from a care home recently told us he is forced to have the injections or is not allowed into the care home to collect bodies!

Before Dad died and he needed a hair cut, care home said they couldn’t have their previous hair dresses come in as she wasn’t double injected but I could take him to the local hairdresser!!

The insanity of it all. I had thought we might get out of this by next spring but I am starting to think we are going to have years and years of this.

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annieob
annieob
3 years ago

Justin Welby is deluded.

The vaccines don’t stop transmission. If he thinks they do he must be living on a different planet.

They have however been associated with coercion, shaming, and the demolition of basic principles of human rights wherever they’ve been rolled out. Those principles are the bedrock of liberal democracy. They are what protects a life of safety, dignity and fulfilment for our children. The vaccines are a threat to those principles. They’re irretrievably associated with state tyranny and the use of fear and hatred to manipulate others.

Moreover the degree of state coercion associated with the vaccines inevitably means the state will be highly motivated to conceal adverse events & safety signals. This is particularly so in the context of a product with utterly inadequate safety testing and no long term data. No control group. No monitoring of long term adverse events. Nothing. Yet rolled out to children. You can’t even call it an experiment- an experiment has a control group.

To undermine human rights and liberal values by coercing and shaming people to take a vaccine that is untested, that has no long term safety data, and that most people don’t need- that is what is immoral. It is a perversion of the Christian message.The Church of England, led by this pea brained demagogue, is worthless. It is an arm of the state being used to stir up hatred in order to mandate vaccines. Welby is unfit, and his behaviour unchristian, immoral, and a threat to all of us.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

“Justin Welby is deluded.” Probably scared to death after that phone call from Vanguard.

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago

Perhaps the loathsome Welby, a political traitor who has overseen the greatest decline in the Church of England since its founding, should have read the Bible before opening his mouth.

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

—Proverbs, 6:16-19

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

And pharisees.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Very good. Sums up the character of all this Faucist crowd.

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1984imminent
1984imminent
3 years ago

This is one reason of many that I am very seriously reconsidering whether to attend church again, ever.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

You don’t need the company of others to worship.

I have no idea if Jesus existed but I’m pretty certain he wouldn’t approve of the churches insistence on money, pomp and finery.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Some of these bishops are very nasty people indeed.

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cryptical
cryptical
3 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

Find a real church. They exist.

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Javy
Javy
3 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

Fortunately you can be a Christian without attending church.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

I spent 30 years worrying about whether to ‘go to church’ or not, and tried several, for a few months at a time. Many people who go to Church are people who are doing their best to be good people, but they are not necessarily ‘the church’. (Use of upper case and lower case deliberate.) Since Feb 20 I worry no longer.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

My take precisely – some of the things done in the name of organised religion must, I am sure, make God weep.

I often find that it is possible to be closest to God when in nature.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago

Ah yes; assertions without supporting evidence or data.
He’ll be telling people that God exists and that Jesus was a real person next.
And the credulous will fall for it!!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

So you don’t think Jesus was a real person.
So you don’t know the first thing about historical evidence.
Go back to school, if you can find one that’s open.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If mankind ever needed evidence of his existence, it’s right now.

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AxelStone
AxelStone
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Actually on the contrary, I’d say all of this is exactly the proof that He exists. This is human nature in action.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  AxelStone

Human nature in action is evidence of…human nature in action.
There is nothing indicative that there is any divine intervention.
Evidence of nature is not evidence of Gods and it is intellectualy derelict to conclude that if you do not know the reasons for things in nature then it must be Gods as that would demonstrate that we have not progressed from the dark ages.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yep, there is no evidence for an historical Jesus.
I have spent years reading on the matter (I read research from impartial sources, not those with confirmation bias – unlike you clearly).
I suggest for starters you read ‘The Jesus Puzzle’ by Earl Doherty, and maybe look to Richard Carrier’s work too – maybe have a look at ‘On the Historicity of Jesus’ (that’s one big book so you may encounter difficulty).
These are all now apostate Christians who,on undertaking impartial proper qualified historical research, concluded that they no longer accepted that Jesus was real so had no logical reason to believe.
Experts can now demonstrate that the scant evidence for Jesus is faked to suit an agenda.
The Jesus myth is exactly that – a myth.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

I spy a circular argument.
This text says Jesus existed.
Therefore it has confirmation bias.
Because it has confirmation bias it is wrong.
I cannot find any text that Jesus existed without what I consider confirmation bias.
Therefore, despite the unusual multiplicity of texts about him, astonishing scholars say for texts of that era, and much better than attestation of Caesar and many other historical figures, he didn’t exist.
Phew, I can carry on with…
But I won’t stop believing Julius Caesar existed, as that would be silly…

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

There is plenty of contemporary evidence for Caesar though as this period is exceptionally well documented.
The time of Christ and the area in which he allegedly lived is well documented yet there is no contemporary evidence for Christ.
There is no contemporary evidence for Harry Potter but Harry Potter appears in a book so therefore by Christian reasoning Harry Potter must be real too.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

The so called scholars you quote are not scholars of any reputation. Seriously, in order to have any credibility at all you need to listen to top-rated scholars. I suggest people who have ‘Earl’ as a forename may not be what you are looking for. Having parents who were pretentious and wished their son to sound like aristocracy is often a red flag. Also try people who have not had to go for an ancient history and classical languages degree at an institution his wikipedia entry cannot identify,. But that is just a start. He has poor textual understanding and sensitivity, and expects texts about cabbages to include sections on carrots, from my brief observations re for instance the Octavius of Minucius Felix.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

No, compared to the vast number of documents about Jesus there is very poor textual evidence for Caesar.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

“I have spent years reading on the matter.” 

If done without a structure and with a lot of bias and preconceptions those years on and off reading on these matters, precisely because of the vast amount of material out there, and the quantities of manhours on theological scholarship does not even count as basic research. Sorry, but that is the way it is.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

Richard Carrier! Oh please. Who else have you read? Gary Habermas? William Lane Craig? J. Warner Wallace? Lee Strobel? Even Bart Ehrman accepts the historicity of Jesus.

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bresbo
bresbo
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

There was the same doubt at the end of the 16th, beginning of the 17th century. It was particularly prevelent in central Europe. People lost the old vision, and started looking for historical proof that there had been a man called Jesus, and that he was the Incarnation.
Then, out of the blue, there appeared a Stranger, sighted often, and in many places. He was The Wandering Jew, Ahasuerus, a man who had cursed Christ on his way to the cross. In return Christ condemned Ahasuerus to roam the earth for all eternity, neither body nor spirit, but in a kind of half way state. For anyone who met this figure, here was actual proof, someone who could recount meeting the Christ, and thus confirm Jesus’ earthly existence.
Myth … ?

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PaulMac66
PaulMac66
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

‘There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus; all existing sources are documentary. The sources for the historical Jesus are mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. All extant sources that mention Jesus were written after his death.’

wiki

I guess it’s all about the faith baby.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  PaulMac66

Evidence shows that out of the 13 Pauline letters 7 are genuine and that those which are considered genuine have been tampered with.
Galatians, First Thessalonians, First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, Romans, Philippians, and Philemon are considered genuine.

Testimonium Flavianum has been shown to be an interpolation written in the style of Eusebius of Caesarea sometime in 3rd/4th century CE.

There is no solid evidence as the Bible sources are unknown and you cannot use circular reasoning in that you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. In any case much of the Bible is plagiarised from the Talmud and the Torah.

And faith? Well that is irrational as one cannot assert anything without evidence so faith is a ‘belief system’ based upon nothing.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

You are blind to your own circular reasoning which I have pointed out above.

Your sensitivity to the text needs working on. Quotation and typology are qualitatively very, very different from plagiarism.

Your arguments lack proportionality and are not rational as you suppose.

You label any text that lauds or even Jesus as ‘Christian’ and therefore suspect, which is clearly biased, and emphatically does not start with the neutrality you are pretending to have.

You assert that there is no archaeological evidence. Anyone can assert anything; it doesn’t make it so. And surprise, surprise it isn’t so. Hence all those Holy Land tours, which you probably haven’t been on.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

So this thing of slime thinks that whipping up hatred and self-righteous spite against a minority group is ‘loving your neighbour’?
By God, I’m glad he’s not my neighbour.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

Says a middle aged, cross dressing man who still has an imaginary friend.

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john ball
john ball
3 years ago

this article by Welby is in the Mail Online. The paper itself has the disgraceful heading “My rage at selfishness of the unvaccinated-by an intensive care doctor”
Please complain about both to the Independant Press Standards Org.https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago

The command to love your neighbour as yourself goes back to Leviticus 19:

9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. 

10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

11 “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. 

12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.

13 “You shall not oppress your neighbour or rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning. 

14 You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.

15 “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbour. 

16 You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbour: I am the Lord.

17 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbour, lest you incur sin because of him. 

18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself: I am the Lord.”

(Lev. 19:9-18 ESV)

So, Mr Welby, let’s shine the light of God’s word on you, shall we?

Verse 11 says you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. You are dealing falsely and lying to your neighbour, Mr Welby, for absent from your public ramblings is a proper, thoughtful risk-benefit analysis of these pseudo vaccines. You are merely a mouthpiece for Government propaganda.

Not a good start, Mr Welby.

Verse 13 commands us not to oppress our neighbour. What are you doing, Mr Welby, if not piling on in the oppression/demonisation of the ‘unvaccinated’?

Verse 16 commands us not to go around slandering others/standing up against the life of our neighbour. When you stand before the thrice holy God, Mr Welby, what will be your excuse? You just followed the experts? That will not do before an infinitely holy and righteous God, Mr Welby. God will want to know why you didn’t do your own research before taking the Bible out of context and shaming your flock and your neighbour into putting their lives at risk with a novel and experimental technology for a virus with a statistically negligible IFR.

Per verse 17, have you reasoned frankly from the Scripture and from the data, Mr Welby? That’s rhetorical only, for we know you haven’t.

The Bible condemns you, Mr Welby. You are an utter disgrace. You are the establishment, the parasite class, and you need to repent of your folly and evil.

11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

12 If you say, “Behold, we did not know this”, does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work?

(Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV)

We are to help those in need who are being led to their death/potential death, potential disfigurement, potential short/long-term injury/illness, Mr Welby, through a pseudo vaccine utterly unnecessary to the preservation of their health.

Take note of v. 12, for it cannot be separated from v. 11. This goes beyond mere social consequences, Mr Welby. You are accountable to God for your actions, and ‘ignorance’ will not be an excuse.

So, Mr Welby, contrary to your vacuous claims, God’s word condemns you. So read your Bible this Christmas, with God’s grace you might learn something.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

The Holy Babble is just a pile of contradictory old crap though in any event.
We don’t even know who wrote it although it can be shown that most of it is plagiarised from The Talmud and The Torah, and a lot of the Talmud and Torah is plagiarised from ancient Sumerian cuneiform and sanskrit.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

Yes, yes, very good.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

You’ve clearly never studied the Talmud, because your ignorance matches that of those who think a cheap cloth mask will protect you from colds and flu.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

Well, there speaks the calm, unbiased,educated voice of a tolerant sceptic.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

‘The Holy Babble is just a pile of contradictory old crap though in any event.’

That’s profound, dare I say edgy. You’re ahead of the field. Scholars everywhere must look to you for guidance.

‘We don’t even know who wrote it…’ 

Who is this ‘We’? Speak for yourself.

Regardless, the objection does not invalidate the Bible’s historicity. 

‘…although it can be shown that most of it is plagiarised from The Talmud…’

That’s historically illiterate. The Talmud was compiled over centuries long after the last book of the Bible was written, and (the Talmud) was canonised c. 4th century AD (Jerusalem Talmud) and c. 5th/6th century AD (Babylonian Talmud). So how on earth could the Bible plagiarise a text not yet written down?

If you want to assert that the ‘plagiarisation’ came from the oral tradition prior to its compilation/canonisation, then you’ll need to cite the tradition(s) and then demonstrate a plagiarisation.

‘…and The Torah…’

I hate to break this to you, but the Torah is contained within the Bible.

 ‘…and a lot of the Talmud and Torah is plagiarised from ancient Sumerian cuneiform and sanskrit.’

Another bare assertion noted and dismissed accordingly.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Oh, would that he might read this!

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Sentient Seaweed
Sentient Seaweed
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

A most excellent exposition.

Extremely useful if any of my religious family dare point out Welby’s words.

Thank you.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Brilliant.

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ThisIsMyName
ThisIsMyName
3 years ago

Archbishop – Justin case you wondered, Welby buggered if we do, you dopey old sod!

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Canting hypocrisy from a former oil executive who always resembles a startled chaffinch.

We need Savonarolas not state sponsored sops.

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Marcus Junius Brutus
Marcus Junius Brutus
3 years ago

Fuck off cunt.

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago

I couldn’t afford to live next to an archbishop

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Dave Bollocks
Dave Bollocks
3 years ago

Well, I’m agnostic, so what he says means fuck all to me!

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

Agnosticism is indecisiveness though so maybe, maybe not!!

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

Wrong. Agnosticism is the decisive refutation of the notion that the unknown or unknowable can be known. It’s less ‘ religious ‘ than atheism with its beliefs

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PaulMac66
PaulMac66
3 years ago

‘The Most Reverend Justin Welby said that getting the jab reduces the chances of illness being spread ‘

looks like the Bish will be going to hell for spreading lies. Stupid prick.

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Susan Lundie
Susan Lundie
3 years ago

They’re all at it today! One T Blair is condemning the unvaxxed from the pages of the Express with his evil eye, and this excuse for a man of the cloth preaches moral duty to them from the Daily Mail.
Definitely a national campaign on the part of the Globalists’ Fully Bought Party. We are either directly over the target, or the jackboots will be deployed in the New Year.
It has reached the laughable stage now.
Non illegitimi carborundum.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago

The Pope said having the vaccine was “an act of love” but surely an act of love without consent is rape.

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Naughtius Maximus
Naughtius Maximus
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

Non-consensual penetration is an ecclesiastical tradition.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

The Pope does head up a massive paedophile ring too.

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bresbo
bresbo
3 years ago

A rabbinical court in New York declared the Pfizer vaccine “absolutely forbidden” for younger adults. Now Welby says those who don’t get jabbed are immoral. I guess that makes him antisemitic by definition.

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

Right, I’m not going to comment on the theology of it. I want to talk about the hat. That is one fucking stupid hat he has on, and combined with the insane fucked-up double mask, he looks like a complete and utter prat. Seriously, dressed up like this and clambering about like some ridiculous mother goose character.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The hat is simply to show you he’s the boss. Mock him and his evil henchmen will set the dogs loose on you. Begone, peasant!

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

My first thought was “what on earth does he look like?”.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Some silly twat all dressed up and nowhere to go!!

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

Ooh, yes, I must have missed the bit where Jesus said he’d only go amongst the clean and healthy, and he had to “stay safe”, so he couldn’t touch anyone to heal them.

We all know that people had to show a vax pass before listening to the Sermon on the Mount, and that the Disciples acted as sort of door supervisors to keep the unwashed away. Oh, and He was double masked and wore gloves, naturally.

And here’s me thinking that Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax gatherers, went amongst lepers and healed them, and said “Be not afraid”.

On your bike, Archbish.

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago

what a tw.t he looks in 2 masks!

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Pete Sutton
Pete Sutton
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

And his polka-dot under mask showing – gangsta style. What a display of fake piety!

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
3 years ago

I’m going to say this as both a double jabbed plus one infection person and a trained (PhD) theologian.

Codswallop!

If this were the MMR or polio or small pox vaccine, I’d agree. Those are well-tested, properly documented and long-standing vaccines that give lifetime protection and stop the advance of illness and transmission in communities. And address deadly diseases.

That isn’t this “vaccine.” First, it has less than 2 years of data, data that has been shown to have been incorrect in spots. Second, it doesn’t keep me from infecting you (reduces chance), or of dying (though reduces). Third, we do have enough data showing negative responses to be greatly worried given the limited efficacy for your neighbour if I get jabbed. And fourth, it isn’t a broadly deadly disease. Unless he has been saying this about the flu vaccine (the closest mirror to Covid vaccines) he’s a hypocrite.

But where is his comment about how demonising the unvaccinated shows a lack of love? Where is his taking a stand against lockdowns for those who have not been vaccinated, even if they have prior illness? Where is his sympathy for those who have died or suffered permanent injury from vaccine?

And where is his anger and prophetic voice against Pfizer for getting $35 per jab and having pushed governments to jab children who face more risk from lighting than Covid? Where is his railing against their profiteering and their boss already pushing for a fourth jab?

Love of neighbour does not require me to undergo a medical procedure that in normal times would not be approved for 5 more years, and whose impact on especially young bodies cannot be known. Love of neighbour does not require someone to choose a medical path that their own medical history shows is unnecessary. Love of neighbour here is the exact opposite, where my choice to be jabbed to protect myself and thus not require you to be jabbed to do so leaves you free to follow your conscience and concerns.

Welby is among the worst Archbishops of the past 200 years, but he’s a great puppet for the Davos set. He certainly wasn’t moving his neighbour when he locked churches and threatened vicars with firing if they even went in alone to their church to do a service online. But he doesn’t care about the parishioners, for if he had, he would have personally been going around washing the feet of the sick instead of taking a sabbatical.

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DaEdRob
DaEdRob
3 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

I assume Welby has a PhD in Theology so I am going to quote Thomas Paine:

“The study of Theology as it stands, in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not any thing can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”

Thomas Paine (Age of Reason – 1794)

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
3 years ago
Reply to  DaEdRob

Eh, for each their own.

can we agree Welby is awful at his job?

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

… or very good at his real job as an establishment shill.

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martinbritnell83
martinbritnell83
3 years ago

Christ…. Look at the state of him!!

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago

Is that a image of the new strain of Covid on his mitre?

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

No, it’s some pagan symbol.

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JamesM
JamesM
3 years ago

Welby may not realise it, but this is tantamount to an admission that the “vaccines” are not that good. After all, if he has been tripled jabbed, then why is he not confident that he and others like him are fully protected from those who are infected?

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago

Jeremiah 29:8 “…thus says the Lord of Hosts…. Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you…. for they prophesy FALSELY to you in my name; I have not sent them, says the Lord.”

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jgf
jgf
3 years ago

I’m a tolerant man and respect all those who hold religious views of any stripe, although personally I am a committed atheist (I’m vaccinated too, for the record). I’ll make an exception to my atheism in this case though, and pray that this man burns in hell for the evil he speaks, along with all those who seek to punish, banish and ghettoize those who hold different beliefs to themselves regarding personal autonomy. We’ve seen this happen before, and the Church (not those who believe, but those who run the business) has been complicit in more evil than any other organization in history.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago

And, anyone who wants to hear genuine Christian viewpoints on all this, based in Scripture, being expressed should go to the protestanttruth.com website and listen in to the addresses there (also some good articles on it all).

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Black Flag
Black Flag
3 years ago

Get bent Gandalf.

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1984imminent
1984imminent
3 years ago

I have written a long message to the Archbishop’s office, explaining why I might never attend church again, especially if covid passes become a condition of attending church. Not just this reason, but many others as well; the silence of the Church of England on the appalling damage caused by lockdown, the evil of labelling the unvaccinated as “refuseniks” etc, and very sensible reasons why people are not taking the vaccine. I shall see if I receive a reply!

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Selfishness is a virtue, lockdown, like communism, is the consistent translation of altruism into politics.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
3 years ago

I’m glad I’m an atheist, because if I wasn’t and had just read such a pronouncement from someone elected as a leader of the church of England, I would be bloody livid.

Clearly Justin Welby is to Christianity what Kier Starmer is to socialism.

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bresbo
bresbo
3 years ago

Father, forgive them, sorry him, for he knows not what he does.(Luke 23:34)

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
3 years ago

Hate speech, intended to sow discord, under the guise of Christianity. Welby can be contacted here:

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/about-archbishop/contacting-archbishop

Writng what I feel (and getting Mrs BTL to censore the juiciest phrases to give it a chance of being read) will make me feel better, at least!

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

If I wasn’t so busy getting ready to celebrate Christmas, you know, the event in the christian calendar to mark the birth of Jesus, (that last bit was for the edification of Justin, just in case he reads BTL), I would gladly send him a message.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

Welby has always shown up at establishment bean feasts. It’s his raison d’etre, and why he was appointed. Remember the Pope and the nazis?

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PatrickF
PatrickF
3 years ago

Fuck off Welby, you anti-Christ!

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

The greater thy love, the more vaccines thy taketh.

(Apocryphal Gospel of Krap, chapter 6:66)

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killynether
killynether
3 years ago

Some Christians are trying to discuss this and take a stand. Please watch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2WAV90mcFE&t=221s

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago

Once they have the churches …

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

“Religion is the Vaccine of the people”

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

And vice versa.

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killynether
killynether
3 years ago

A very interesting video from Christian pastor who is fighting for the Church leaders to react. Please watch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVAiWOHQ4ac

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CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago

Spaniel-eyes has a triquetra on that miter – colourably like the one on the New Age “Aquarian Conspiracy” front cover. “This is a variation for the number 666” (Burns: Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, citing Constance Cumbey). …. Personally I think all revealed religions follow the same trajectory of starting as a cause, growing into mass movements and degrading into cults and rackets (with apologies therefor posthumously to the much-misquoted Eric Hoffer).

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

Imagine waking up in the middle of the night to find Welby leaning over you…

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iansn
iansn
3 years ago

Go and do one Welby who the fuck do you think you are?

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

This Man has forsaken the teachings of Christ, and has instead worshipped the false Gods of the Pharmaceutical Industry. I wonder how many of those chief executives have any beliefs or faith other than money

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago

My neighbour doesn’t pay my bills if I am struck down with a covid vaccine injury.
I am sick to the back teeth of all this “do it for others” rubbish. Family aside, I could not give a toss who lives or dies, who does well or starves. I literally do NOT care about strangers one tiny little bit and will always play the game of life to suit myself not others.

I guess the only real difference between me and these virtue-signalling tosspots (who all want a BMW a fancy job title to stroke their egos), is that I admit the truth

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

Reuters reporting Japan is at 1% of its COVID peak cases and falling. India is at 3% of its peak and falling. What did these countries do? Ditch vaccine mandates for ivermectin. Since April 28, India medical officials started providing hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to its massive population. As India is the major pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world, they were ready for this massive drug distribution. MIRACULOUSLY!, COVID cases have plummeted quickly since then. Meanwhile, all “first world” countries in Europe are reporting a rise in cases. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

Maybe Welby would be happy if the unvaccinated made themselves totally identifiable so they could be shunned by the vaccinated. Maybe they should wear a yellow triangle on their clothing so they could be spotted from a distance. Then we could have shops just for the vaccinated – `unvaxxed frei’ sort of thing.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

There seems to be a big push to use non-governmental organisations (chruch, companies, ‘influencers’) to effectively impose mandatory vaccination with plausible deniability for the politicos. This has the putrid stench of the fascist entity known as SPI-B doing its worst.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
3 years ago

If Jesus were alive to day he’d be tweeting this to his followers and the majority would be telling him they’d rather trust the experts than a carpenter.

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Prester John
Prester John
3 years ago

Leviticus 19:18 – Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

So, just as I love myself, so I do not get this vaccine, thus I treat my neighbours with the same love as I have for myself. I do not wish them to take the risk or succumb to the State’s pressure.

I don’t want to bash the Archbishop, but has he read the scripture?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

Weird how I apparently don’t love my neighbour for making choices that only impact myself, but my neighbour faces no such criticism when he is forcing me to do things which only impact me… It’s almost as if this guy has some sort of hidden agenda…
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-welby

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

What would Welby know about Christian principles? He’s a left-wing Establishment stooge.

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Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
3 years ago

Well the C of E has lost 15 million adults and teenagers who have not taken a single jab ref. Daily Expose. I am sure Jesus would welcome us Justin even if your church does not. Merry Christmas.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago
Reply to  Iain McCausland

Please remember that there are some churches in the CofE that have not bought into this nonsense, not many I know, but they do exist. Also that ALL of the denominations have been affected by this madness, with the partial exception of the Orthodox churches.
The sad fact is that many Christians in all denominations will actually believe him; he is thus sowing discord and hatred as well as outright lies.

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Peter W
Peter W
3 years ago

Should we listen to the double-masked man in the dress and weird pointy hat? Nah, don’t think so.
Perhaps he can perform a miracle and get rid of this government and its so-called experts.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Shame on you Justin. Your Christian beliefs, like so many other Christians (Catholics) I know, only extend to people who hold the same beliefs as you. I know I was always taught to love the neighbour as thyself. Oops Justin

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autogenes
autogenes
3 years ago

What is particularly nefarious about this turd saying this about Christians doing the right thing is the fact that the Book of Revelations (21:8) warns people about the pharmakeus φαρμακεύς G5332. This term is listed in Strong’s Bible concordance as one who prepares or uses magical remedies. From φάρμακον pharmakon (a drug, that is, spell giving potion); a druggist (” pharmacist” ) or poisoner, that is, (by extension) a magician: – sorcerer.

Yet this wanker is encouraging his flock to take the magical remedies of those condemned to burn in hell. You literally cannot make this shit up. Evil beyond words.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago
Reply to  autogenes

It is worthwhile to remember that the word φαρμακεία has TWO distinct meanings; one is, as you imply, sorcery, potions, the other is medicine, remedy. The word is only used in a negative sense in the New Testament but is used in the other sense elsewhere; φάρμακον (remedy, drug) is used in Patristic literature in a positive sense, as a medicine. There is a verb φαρμακάω which means I suffer from the effect of drugs or charms or I require a remedy. There is another verb, φαρμακόω, which means I medicate, having endued with healing powers; but the same verb used in the passive, means I am poisoned, bewitched.

What I am saying is that this word and its cognates has two distinct meanings and concentrating on the one that is used in the New Testament is misleading.

I don’t know how the word is used in the Septuagint, but I will check. It does have BOTH meanings in Homer. It is not true that these Vaccines are ‘magical remedies’; they may be, probably are harmful, I do not want them and have not had them, but it does our cause no good to propagate, or attempt to propagate different falsehoods.

But I DO agree with you that Welby is propagating evil ideas.

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Lowe
Lowe
3 years ago

Talking yesterday to a regular Church of England attendee who is in her 70s. She thinks the Church of England no longer believes in God.

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bowlsman
bowlsman
3 years ago

Lies, lies and damn lies.
We all ignore him and his kind all the time why change now.

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Pythonesque
Pythonesque
3 years ago

‘Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest!!’ Murder in the Cathedral ?!
Sadly, Welby is no Thomas A’Becket, merely, so it would seem, someone wishing to bring back the Crusader spirit against the infidel unjabbed.
If the modern church was actually FOR anything, one might hope that it was inclusivity, the wish to bring an already broken society together.
As for his pathetic attempt to invoke the spirit of the son of God as a willing convert to the jabbing process, well, my own version would be that it was a parallel to allowing himself to be nailed to the cross, in order to take away the sins of the pharmaceutical industry!!!!!

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Pythonesque
Pythonesque
3 years ago

‘Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest!!’ Murder in the Cathedral ?!
Sadly, Welby is no Thomas A’Becket, merely, so it would seem, someone wishing to bring back the Crusader spirit against the infidel unjabbed.
If the modern church was actually FOR anything, one might hope that it was inclusivity, the wish to bring an already broken society together.
As for his pathetic attempt to invoke the spirit of the son of God as a willing convert to the jabbing process, well, my own version would be that it was a parallel to allowing himself to be nailed to the cross in order to take away the sins of the pharmaceutical industry!

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

There is masses of false information being spread by mainstream media, surely normally reliable sources like the Telegraph should check the data before they spread this crap. One example I’ve heard so much and so often repeated recently is that positive tests of infections are 3 times as high as they were this time last year which is utter rubbish because we are doing more than twice the number of tests we were doing then. This I have heard recently from claimed unbiased sources such as talk radio and GB News. For goodness sake if any information source is going to give out data please ensure it is accurate and context checked.

I hear SKY News UK is now working in conjuction with an organisation originally working with the governmement to spread its propaganda subliminaly, so I think its time anyone who wants accurate news content remove that organisation from its list of sources. I have noticed recently that SKY News UK has become the diseminator of the worst type of tabloid journalism and spreads exaggerated inaccurate claims with its massive resources. I’ve stopped watching it now but I doubt they issue corrections when they spead false information, probably because it would harm their credidibility which should be already low and would take up too much of their broadcast time.

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

If Welby is going to spout dictats he should check the data and establish whether what he says is accurate and how the data relates to the longer term. Respiratory illness always peaks as we get deeper into winter. Its also known that many people enter hospital for other things than Covid and Covid only become apparent when tested in hospital and some people enter hospital without Covid, but aquire it while there. Now Omicron is clearly more infective it will be more difficult for hositals to prevent infection on their sites.

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MrkMtchll
MrkMtchll
3 years ago

how did a non-christian become archbishop of Canterbury?

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wantok87
wantok87
3 years ago

Unvaccinated does not equate with non immune and this constant repetition and vilification of those who have not had an injection of an mRNA vaccine is in itself immoral. Tony Blair has never been able to understand data or it’s relevance. The Archbishop shows not only a complete ineptitude in his understanding of immunity but a bizarre interpretation of Christian theology and should resign immediately from his position should he not withdraw his condemnation of individuals , which of course include children , for not having a vaccination. When the vaccination producers specifically exclude any individuals who have had previous infection from their trials, vaccination, whatever the outcome is experimental.
Too many hours have been spent reading, observing and listening to individuals who have never had to treat a patient or live in the confines of a tiny dwelling where lockdown is isolation and misery.
At this time of year when we look on a time of hope for the future we must dispense with the false prophets of doom, gloom and condemnation and look forward again where quality of life is more important than length and once more we remember what it is to be human.

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

If he wants us to do ‘what Jesus says’, then perhaps he should lead by example by not judging people, not calling them ‘immoral’.

Last edited 3 years ago by SimCS
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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago

I believe in God but not in religion. This pillock is a great example of why I feel that way.

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago

You’ll be surprised to know that he’s an “agenda contributor” at the WEF.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/justin-welby

That’s a surprise. 😂

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Newman20
Newman20
3 years ago

I’m not religious, but does anyone who is a C of E regular take any notice of what this woke numpty says? He is to Christianity what the Taliban are to female emancipation.

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