It’s being reported that the Government could announce the introduction of new restrictions including work-from-home guidance and vaccine passports as early as today. The Telegraph has the story:
New work-from-home guidance and vaccine passports could be announced as early as today, according to Government officials, as Cabinet ministers move to counter the omicron spread.
A meeting of the ‘Covid-O’ Cabinet sub-committee is expected to take place today to discuss the measures, with a possible full Cabinet meeting and press conference later.
The timing of the move appears to have been sped up significantly in the past 12 hours, with Government sources implying on Tuesday that no decisions would be taken until next week.
The Telegraph revealed today that the Cabinet discussed bringing in vaccine passports in a meeting on Tuesday, which split members around the table.
Michael Gove, the Communities Secretary, and Nadine Dorries, the Culture Secretary, both spoke out in favour of the move, according to multiple sources familiar with the meeting.
But Grant Shapps, the Transport Secretary, and Alistair Jack, the Scottish Secretary, are critical of the move and are understood to have made comments making that clear.
It is not yet clear when the work-from-home guidance or vaccine passports would come into effect if announced today or how far-reaching they would become.
Is this a ‘dead cat’ to distract from the bad headlines about the 2020 Downing Street Christmas party? Why else would the Government be proposing now to bring in failed policies like vaccine passports when there is no evidence vaccines reduce transmission of Delta (let alone Omicron) and no evidence vaccine passports do either?
What happened to lockdown-lifting being irreversible, and relying on the vaccines rather than endless restrictions to ‘save the NHS’?
Depressing stuff. Let’s hope this proves to be a false alarm.
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Absolutely no justification for this whatsoever. It is immoral, unethical and just plain wrong, on every level. This is Chinese Communism and has no place in a supposed liberal democracy. I am not complying with any of it. I hope you will join me.
Our response is simple.
FUCK YOU AND FUCK COVID!
excellent
Damn straight. They’ve crossed the point of no return for me.
I’ve never seen a time when breaking the law is more justified than what I see now.
There’s no law to break so just hold your finger up high and say fuck you!
No comply and never have!
I’m with you on that. Mind you, I was there in March 2020.
I agree that it is immoral and unethical, and I’d like not to comply with it either. But how exactly do you propose to access services for which a valid ‘vaccine passport’ will be required?
When German shopkeepers put up signs indicating ‘No Jews’, what choice did the Jews have of not complying with that? Sure, they could ignore it and get the police called on them and be dragged off for a beating and worse.
Is that what you propose?
Speak out against it
Refuse to comply except under direct coercion
Never wear a facemask unless under direct physical coercion
Find alternatives to businesses that require vaxpasses or impose discrimination of any kind.
There will doubtless in reality be times for each of us when we will have to comply, and everyone’s situation and personality is different, but as long as we honestly refuse to accept these rules and this panic, and honestly refuse to comply at every opportunity, then we are doing our bit and if we can persuade enough people to join us it will fail.
That means if you have chosen to take the “vaccine” for whatever reason, nevertheless wherever possible refusing to take advantage of any privileges granted by virtue of that, in solidarity with those who have resisted it and been discriminated against as a result..
Support, or refuse to condemn, those who resist more directly than you can.
Find people jabbed who’ll complain about anything and everything about jab-partheid properties.
And while you’re resisting with all your might, remember to pay all the fines so that they can buy more police to police you. Actually, never mind – if you don’t remember to pay, they will take your money anyway.
Open to your own constructive suggestions, rayc. (Which rayc is it at the moment, by the way?)
If I were to give suggestions for the “resistance movement”, it would be foremost to pick your battles.
Unenthusiastically comply on the surface while quietly sabotaging your opponents’ efforts whenever you can get away with it.
Make life difficult for the oppressors. Apply the rules so exactly to them that they start regretting ever having introduced them.
Be an Oskar Schindler to those you know are good guys. Help them discreetly.
Sneak into positions of power and pull the power levers to undo the disastrous policies. But first, sneak into positions of power, and that nowadays requires covert action.
You won’t be able to reach them by outing yourself and exposing yourself to open attacks. That is precisely the trap they have set up for you to fall into.
Reasonable suggestions, albeit rather long term. The risk with that kind of approach is that you end up collaborating with and de facto legitimising the measures, and never get around to achieving anything against them until it’s far too late.
That approach is more appropriate for a more established, later stage totalitarianism than what we face today, imo.
The reality today is that they do not have police or court capacity to punish dissenters if even a significant fraction of them openly defy, and nor are the legal and institutional frameworks fully in place to try anyway.
They hope to get around this by making a few examples and by setting up the indoctrinated masses to do the enforcement work for them, and disrupting that is exactly what speaking out and open defiance achieves.
Right, but I believe it’s already too late, as evidenced by the popular support of the covidian measures. Before a dictatorship is undone by collapsing under its weight, it has to be widely recognized as such. We are at a stage where most people still think the dictators are acting on their behalf; and what’s worst, any outspoken critics are deftly utilized by the dictators to prove their point and to recruit new supporters. This works for the aforementioned reason of them being fresh (whereas for old, established, well-recognized dictatorships the only thing that works is direct abuse/coercion).
So if you can come up with an alternative way of changing people’s minds, go ahead. But acting aggressively and provocatively to “show yourself” does not seem to be doing the trick – it has been predicted to occur and smartly and preemptively incorporated into the enemy narrative. As it stands, the majority will think of you not as a noble freedom warrior, they will think of you as a non-complying dangerous lunatic, reinforcing their implanted beliefs.
“So if you can come up with an alternative way of changing people’s minds, go ahead. But acting aggressively and provocatively to “show yourself” does not seem to be doing the trick”
We’ve seen the same shocking victories by the regime and the panickers, but we appear to have seen a different resistance scene.
What I’ve seen since March 2020 has been a steady growth in resistance and willingness to speak out, albeit from a tiny base. Back in March 2020 there was almost nobody willing to speak out or resist publicly. Demos were tiny. Nowadays there’s a pretty well established activist minority and significant group willing to back them up. In the US there’s even high level, organised party political resistance to the worst aspects: the mandates.
I see methods that are working, albeit slowly and against overwhelming odds in terms of resources and the control of the political, social and economic high ground.
“it has been predicted to occur and smartly and preemptively incorporated into the enemy narrative. ”
What makes you think the nudgers and the behavioural manipulators haven’t anticipated your proposed approaches and made plans for dealing with them, years down the line when they begin to bear fruit? These are well funded professionals – wise not to underestimate them.
A couple months ago the majority in Germany – including most politicians – was against compulsory vaccination. Today the majority supports it, and same goes even for the repeated lockdown and nobody is questioning vaxx passes on grounds other than inconvenience. I do not see any sort of increased dissent spreading here. If anything, the opposite is true – the anti-vaxx movement has been successfully discredited and shoved into dangerous far-right corner (to which the real far-right thugs happily contributed). The new chancellor openly blames the unvaccinated for everything even before taking office and only gets applause for it.
Yes, the dictators must have anticipated guerilla opposition of the kind I am suggesting, as it eventually happens in every dictatorship. The point is they have few ways of defending against such opposition – in contrast to the easy ways of dealing with outspoken enemies. Regimes are dismantled slowly and from the bottom up. If there is a big enough grassroots opposition, they often crumble without any violence at all (sadly, the dictators must usually be given a get-out-of-jail-free card for it to happen).
On the other hand, aggressive attempts to topple a regime usually just result in plenty of pain for those who participate in them – and usually also for (not so) innocent bystanders. If you cannot defeat a mighty enemy in an overwhelming way, skirmishes will only serve to make them stronger.
Most of the time, the “revolutionaries” themselves are driven by or explicitly paid for by external forces – only the most naive and fanatic protesters are ready to sacrifice their own ass in the name of some lofty idea such as freedom (and they essentially become cannon fodder). But there is no external force at this time which would support a quick revolution.
If you think Trump or some other competing dictator (esp. the aforementioned far-right “strong men”) cares about your ass and will use their popularity to liberate you, you are deeply mistaken. The moment he (re)gains power, nothing will stop him from adopting the same tools of oppression (in fact, you can read this “we need to crack down hard on …” narrative all the time when discussing matters with proponents of far-right parties). Because these tools are very convenient to any authoritarian ruler and extra useful to someone keen on revenge (as is the case with Trump).
The most we can hope for is that covid will lose its ability to cause havoc in healthcare, which will make people slowly question whether extra measures are necessary. In other words, if we are lucky, it could just fizzle out, and the dictators may consider it safer and more clever to back down a little, having benefited hugely and won a lot of psychological ground already. In fact I think it is the most plausible scenario, which I would strive for in their position because the “cool down” keeps the door open for another manufactured pandemic, just like the summer helped calm people down to make them accept lockdowns again. I think they are walking a thin line, trying to milk the population the most they can, and to convert minds into safetyism permanently, while still avoiding the negative side effects of quickly spreading dissent (such as loss of productivity or rapid economic collapse, which would also hurt themselves).
It sounds as though things are rather different in Germany from here.
I know rayc, and I gave you your sole uptick lol.
But we’ve got to let the bastards know we’re alive and kicking – which, if there’s any justice left, they may get in this world.
But surely in the next. Don’t forget.
We have right on our side
As difficult it is to keep your cool, it seems like the only way to defend the right cause. The main challenge here is to show them we are “alive and kicking” without them being able to turn this show against us. Make them drop their guards, relish their victory, and backstab mercilessly when the proper time comes. Forget your ego in the process – the accomplishment from having acted the right way and outsmarted them should be reward enough – even if nobody ever learns about it. Finally, always make sure that you have not been blindfolded into supporting the wrong guys. Sometimes it is a matter of deciding between bad and worse.
smash the windows, riot do as the rioters in Los Angeles and other American cities, establish business outside these tyrants and their collaborators system. If people set themselves against others because of their medical status then those who are set against must return the fight
Sure, if you smash their windows, the owners of the smashed windows will most certainly join your rebel cause and most definitely not want you incarcerated. Same as if someone smashed your windows, it’s just pure logic.
Showing courage is what I propose and standing up to tyranny. In essence, being a man; a free man.
The people behind all this trouble are cowards and bullies, and who hide in the shadows. Complying or appealing to their better natures is no longer an option.
But the covidian pitchfork mob wishing to lynch you will certainly not hide in the shadows.
Do you not remember the man who walked out in front of the tanks at Tiananmen Square?
Do you remember all those unpublicized men who stood in front of a tank and were shortly after crushed by the tank? No? I thought so.
If Germans had refused to shop, refused to discriminate against German Jews it could not have happened. But sure, there will be people beaten, abused and imprisoned before this ends. That has already begun elsewhere. Only a minority will step forward for principle. Most will do as you do, Proveritate.
And they will do it because they don’t understand, they don’t see the parallel with 1930’s Germany and they think it IS all about health because they have been brainwashed over almost 2 years into believing that.
It’s time to go nuclear on the fuckers.
BEGIN FIGHTING BACK
Keyboard warriors to the rescue!
I have received reliable reports that those behind the attempted party coup are now strung up with piano wire in the basement of the UK Health Security Agency
A video has been made for the Pig Dictator to view later
This is no false alarm. You only need to look at what’s happening across Europe. The UK controllers have obviously said get with the programme.. the plebs are starting to sniff a the lie of the century..
So far, this is exactly the same horseshit already peddled yesterday: Anonymous whitehall sources say something could happen. There are obviously not-so-anonymous people who badly want this to happen now, as there latest dud – omicron, given the unusally high number of mutation, is this perhaps a completely different HCV? – is quickly turning out to be just that.
Exactly right.. it smells of panic to me and then some. We must remember too that they are right on the brink of announcing the jabbing of 5 > 11 year old children. I’m sick to my very core. The evil behind this is all consuming..
Evil is the exact right word.
I wasn’t agreeing with your assessment.
Well maybe try making yourself a little clearer next time eh!
The worst thing about it is that it is overtly political, the timing demonstrates that – Johnson is simply trying to deflect attention away from the Downing Street party … there’s hardly even any pretence about following the science – Covid is simply a tool in a political game, used by both sides ad infinitum
I doubt it. This will probably have the same effect, with people thinking things like: “Another lockdown, so you can go and have another Christmas party like last year?” No, this whole thing has surfaced now because they’re getting ready to kick Boris out. They need to put someone in his place that the people will like, someone that will present like a benefactor. They needs this so the people will gladly follow right into the Great Reset, the New World Order, and they’ll thank this person for saving them from Boris.
Who is preparing to kick Boris out? It seems as though he is holding covert meetings this afternoon and this is against the wishes of the Graham Brady’s of this world and was criticised in PMQs by a member of the CRG today.
It seems that this is coming from Johnson and his inner circle – this wasn’t on the cards a couple of days ago – then the Downing Sreet party news broke.
I see it as a desperate attempt to take back control of the narrative, but I may be missing something?
The people orchestrating this disaster at a global level.
Ok, possible I guess. The proof will be in the pudding.
The problem STILL is that most of the Parliamentary Troy party is made up of the wets and Remoaners. Boris was lucky that enough of them shied away from backing Hunt out of fear of losing their seats at the then next election, which they knew was coming very soon (2019).
This time, I can’t see them letting a proper conservative who is Brexiteer and a lockdown sceptic taking charge – no way. There also too many vested interest with significant control over the party and, more importantly the MESSAGE via civil servants (i.e. scientists, clinicians, global business ‘leaders’ like Gates & Co) and their MSM friends who want the Balairite types to reassert control, i.e. no difference between the Tories, Labour under Sir Kneelsalot and the Illiberal Non-Democrats.
Either way, the Establishment WINS. They (nearly) all need booting out, now. Via huge demonstrations and enough of the parliamentary Tory party defecting to the reform or umbrella opposition group might do the trick, bu t its nowhere near a guarantee.
I just hope we’re not too late.
I would be extremely surprised if a libertarian, anti-lockdown PM is elected. It is literally unbelievable to me.
Not impossible, but I agree highly unlikely. Not sure about Liz Truss – she’s kept worringly quiet on COVID, which to me means she’ll continue on as Boris is doing at the moment on the Pandemic front.
The others on our side are either unelectable within the Tory party as being too Right wing or fine as ‘activists’ for a cuase but not as ministers. The rest are either inexperienced politicians or Blairites.
Hence why a mass defection of the right-wingers and Red Wall Tories to The Reform Party/Umbrella group of anti-lockdown opposition parties needs to happen, and NOW. It’ll mean that most remaining (pun intended) ‘Tory’ MPs will be scared like they were in 2010 with UKIP around and in 2019 with The Brexit Party before farage pulled most of their candidates to keep Corbyn out.
This time, we and they have little to lose and loads to gain.
I do think things will get a lot worse before they get better. How long that will be is anyone’s guess.
Has anyone actually studied the terms of those trade deals Truss has been quietly doing whilst we are all distracted with covid/masks/variants/jabs/adverse events/freedom licences.
protect the patent title looters, screw those working reward those importing products and exporting jobs is my guess.
It does not matter who is elected, they will convert to covidianism a week later. This is precisely what happened with the “liberal democrats” party in Germany.
It won’t though. Any increased measures will just piss people off even more who want their own parties.
Are you saying that he has ben forced to do this by his critics within the party – Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt? This begs the question as to why he would listen to them?
Boris cares more about not upsetting headline writers/columnists, social media pundits and the general public sheep rather than doing what is right – which means being brave and standing your ground.
Churchill reborn he is not. More like Eden Or Douglas-Home.
Forced? Maybe. But not by people in his party. In case you haven’t noticed, this isn’t a UK thing. This is happening all over the world. There are higher interests at play here.
As a fellow sceptic, I am open-minded to possibilities and certainly do not discount your theory. I can certainly see the possibility of a phone call by a Biden, Fauci, Gates or Merkel to fall in line with the global agenda.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out – either way it’s a piece of shit
Those you just named are middle management at best. !93 countries signed up to Agenda 21 updated to 2030. Politicians are just following orders.
It’s more often that politicians and others in positions of influence don’t want to be seen as the ‘odd one out’, which isn’t helped by the paid-for corporate / WEF shills of the MSM egging them on and scraing them into doing so.
This sort of thing happened in Germany before WWII.
I am going into conspiracy theory territory here for sure, but I do not think those people are in charge of much. I don’t think that the people who are in charge want to be publicly visible. It is management 101. You know how when you have a problem and you either call the customer service hotline, or you go to a desk to talk with someone, you get a person that has absolutely no power at all and cannot help you, and how you will never, ever get to talk with the people that have decision power? In exactly the same way, Biden, Fauci, Merkel, Boris are the people at the front desk. People like Gates, Soros, Schwab, Larry Fink are far more likely to be in control of this, and plenty of other people we have never even heard of.
Well, I am now interested in this theory – so thanks for putting it on the table.
Anything is possible these days and we shouldn’t close our minds to alternative viewpoints
It is no secret that the politicians are just walking puppets who are scripted by their staff, of whom they ostensibly are the boss, but actually very dependent on their inputs – just as a boss in a company is very dependent on the inputs of his underlings to “deliver” anything of value. And yes, it is proper to ask where the ideas and contributions of these semi-anonymous workers actually originate from, but I can tell you, they are not having daily chats will Bill Gates either.
It’s more like, the underlings are initially brainwashed into “what (publicity) outcomes our boss wants to achieve” as part of their training in the job, and they do whatever they believe will satisfy their boss (and that also includes his boss’ friends and sponsors) and by that means bring personal rewards and career opportunities to them.
Essentially, they are, using their own intelligence, profiling the (psychotic) nature of their superior and acting accordingly so as to make him happy. Some may also have ideologies of their own (i.e. be true believers). But I doubt most care very much, as long as they are not fired and the attractive salaries conveniently flow their way.
That is a valid point of view, but looking at how coordinated all these completely separate governments are lead me to believe there is an upper, invisible layer connecting them all.
I think they are just coming up with the same dumb ideas. The reasoning goes: “what song does our boss want us to sing?” and it is informed mostly by the songs heard on radio stations belonging to other bosses. Another part of the reasoning is “what risks are there forus if we don’t sing that song and choose to sing another”. Cover Your Ass is a very powerful motivational force, and doing just like everyone else does, is a time-proof way of achieving that noble goal (of sharing and deflecting blame). Even if the ideas are moronic – and especially if there are no better ideas, morons who flock together are less vulnerable than morons who choose to step out the line.
If you know their name you know they’re just taking orders .
Someone lurking in the shadows? https://youtu.be/sw9wMH62h7I?list=PLxm5IyyYJQqF_Y38jeVZeWsl0X90zkOPC
Yes, I must say I’ve thought along those lines myself. The Boris bashing has been going on for quite some time. The job swapping too with all those mixed up in this scam. Obfuscation and moving targets so as its more difficult to pin down blame..
Can go even further down the conspiracy theory hole and say that maybe the people in charge weren’t very happy with Boris and the unexpected outcome of Brexit, and maybe they wanted to make him pay, so they set him up to take the fall over covid.
That’s the problem with conspiracy theories. They’re fun to think about and lack of evidence is not a limit on the imagination.
What a world we are leaving for our kids and grand kids. It is disgusting, heartbreaking.
That’s assuming any of them are alive to see it, given vaccine mandatae are on the horizon worldwide for practically everyone and adinfinitum.
Plan B now, full lockdown within 2 weeks, the “unvaccinated” to blame.
So as deaths, hospital admissions and numbers of those in hospital continue to drop, as cases rise in line with increased testing, and as hey are detecting more of the omicron cases that were already here, and which are not causing illness, we absolutely have to have extra restrictions.
Otherwise, how are compulsory vaccinations going and universal vaccine passports going to be accepted when they are introduced?
Fuck no. There is nothing in the data to even remotely justify any further restrictions. Nothing, rien, nada. Lies, obsfuscation and murder are not the correct way to govern a country. The mafia behind this scam need to be exposed.
Andrews under pressure to end forced injections because of violent resistance. Sort of destroys the notion that violence gets you nowhere.
Violence does get you nowhere. But when there are no alternatives left to violence, when you cannot talk, or negotiate, or reason, or appeal, it isn’t violence any longer. It is self defence.
I agree to a degree, but if I look back to my school days, it wasn’t until I gave a school bully a punch in the mouth that he finally left me alone.
Sounds like talking didn’t achieve anything, so falls under my description.
There was no talking ever.. my life was made a misery by someone who was twice the size of me and it would not have stopped if I hadn’t brought him down to size.
I certainly don’t condone violence, but I won’t walk away from it if its needed..
My point is that, as far as I can tell, such situations are not violence, they are self-defence. You didn’t do it cause you were a violent person, you did it cause there was no way out. That is how I see things.
That’s pretty spectacular.
“Violence” in normal usage makes no statement as to motivation or circumstances.
For example:
“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”
In the real world, violence properly defined is either justified or it isn’t. And it absolutely does get people somewhere, very often.
The big, difficult question is : when is violence both justified and useful. Puerile hippy nonsense like “violence gets you nowhere” or “violence is never justified” really has no place in adult conversation. Though it is undoubtedly true that violence is often counterproductive or self-defeating.
What matters is the definition of self-defence, which is most commonly referring to the use of physical force to protect one’s person against an attack. If you hit someone randomly, you are being violent. If you hit someone that is attacking you, you are defending yourself. I think most people would agree that someone starting fights and attacking people is a violent person, but I don’t think most people would agree that someone commonly fighting against people who attack him can be considered a violent person.
And the phrase “violent gets you nowhere” doesn’t mean that if you are violent, nothing at all will change. It means that things will change, but not for the better, and certainly not in the direction you meant for them to change. In essence, it means “violence is often counterproductive or self-defeating”.
If you believe you are in danger then you can get your retaliation in first, legally.
You wouldn’t believe you’re in danger unless there is the threat of physical violence. Unless you’re insane, you won’t start hitting people for no reason.
I think we largely agree on the underlying truth, it’s a semantic disagreement we have about your usage of the word “violence”. See the example quote I gave from Orwell, who was generally pretty good at using language with precision and accuracy.
As long as we define our terms it doesn’t matter, but most conversations do not do so (that’s the point of a common language), and so if your usage leads to you saying things like “violence never works”, that will be taken by many people as a general statement of pacifism, which is clearly not what you intended.
“And the phrase “violent gets you nowhere” doesn’t mean that if you are violent, nothing at all will change. It means that things will change, but not for the better, and certainly not in the direction you meant for them to change. In essence, it means “violence is often counterproductive or self-defeating”.”
My problem with this is the imprecision. “Violence gets you nowhere” is objectively wrong, and dangerously misleading because there are people (pacifists) who actually believe in it as a general description of reality. Te qualifier is vital, imo.
The correct statement would be “violence often gets you nowhere”. Though I prefer “violence is often counterproductive or self-defeating”, obviously…..
I would consider that to be imprecision. It is ignoring the potential of self-defence. That is why I mentioned this in my first response, and it is why I make the distinction.
The problem with not differentiating between violence and self-defence is that people are viscerally against violence. When protesters are attacked by the police, or by Antifa, let’s say, and they do their best to defend themselves, the media will report: “Protest descends into violence” showing photos of the protesters defending themselves. Past this point, motivation does not matter. No one will dig through that article and probably several more, to understand that the violence wasn’t want we all understand by violence, but rather it was self-defence from people who peacefully assembled.
What would you say to this when faced with someone that just read the headline? How are you going to convince someone that violence (a word which triggers images of people bleeding, beaten to a pulp, with broken limbs) is sometimes a good thing?
I would much rather be mistaken for an approachable pacifist and then clarify my position, over being mistaken for a pro-violence terrorist and never get a chance to get a word in.
Imprecision can apply in all directions, granted, but the best response is to be as true to the proper meaning of words as possible. And the proper meaning of violence makes no reference to the context or motivation. Granted, for many and in many contexts it has negative connotations. But that’s mostly due either to immaturity or to the over-influence of pacifism in our culture, imo.
Violence in self-defence, or the defence of others directly or indirectly, is still violence. Again, as the Orwell quote makes clear.
I believe I am as true as possible to the definition of self-defence, and I believe that the best possible compromise between being accurate and appealing to laypeople is to make the self-defence aspect clear.
So what’s wrong with simply asserting that violence is justified in self defence, to avoid any risk of being mistaken for a pacifist?
It’s also often effective and useful in self defence.
Two reasons:
The purpose of self-defence is to prevent someone or something from damaging you including by hurting, damaging or killing someone or something of theirs. Or, obviously, threatening to do so, if that is sufficient.
Kyle Rittenhouse most certainly killed two rioters and hurt another, but he equally certainly did so in self defence. That self defence was obviously and inarguably “behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something”. Violence.
I’d rather use words correctly and either not be mistaken for anything I’m not, or if I am, be so only through error on the part of the mistaker, rather than my own error..
I see pacifists as very misguided and dangerous people.
Yes, but that’s not THE GOAL of self-defence. It may be the means, but it is not the goal. That is important.
Again, I have to point out that his goal was not to hurt, or damage, or kill anyone or anything. His purpose was to keep the people attacking him at bay, and he happened to have to kill and hurt them in the process. The goal matters.
While there is truth to that, to me it is more important to ensure communication can still occur, so that I can make my position clear if misunderstood. What can I say, you do you.
“Yes, but that’s not THE GOAL of self-defence. It may be the means, but it is not the goal. That is important.“
Important, perhaps, in other areas, but not relevant to the meaning of violence in this context.
But it is vital to the meaning of “self-defence”, which is my point.
I disagree, violence has always been a useful tool. That it is our only one left is of course a pity, but use it we must.
Useful for what? What is a good use for violence, in your opinion, that does not fall under the definition of “self-defence”?
Might makes real, not right.
Make sure you make the right real.
Others will know the details of NATO doctrine, rules of engagement etc. A declaration of war surely legalises violence. Seems we’ve moved on from asymmetric warfare, lone wolf attacks, which were studied in previous doctrines, and the new enemy is as yet not fully recognised. The enemy is hiding in corporations with shills operating in government. Given that the military also seem to be wearing blinkers, it will ultimately be down to the population to defend itself and our values.
He’s afraid now.
It won’t help him save his own neck.
It got the IRA places, certainly.
And the suffragettes, to some degree.
For now, Toad needs to see millions on the streets and to conclude re election and legacy are in danger.
It’s significant that the only two French territories not completely saddled with vaccine passports now are Martinique and Guadeloupe, where two violent uprisings against the mandates included open gun battles with the police.
Nothing that has happened on the mainland so far has had anything like this impact. “Non-violence” (in the blanket sense that we’re supposed to understand it) is a just a recipe for impotence and resignation.
https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/masks-were-to-soften-you-up-for-plan
It’s really good, and absolutely what we already know.
Sadly, we all know this isn’t a false alarm. Today will be the next step towards totalitarianism.
I don’t think I’ve felt more depressed or anxious in all my adult life. I thought it could never happen here. Yet the swiftness with which it HAS happened; the way people have rushed to comply with every piece of this evil, even clamouring for more proves how wrong I was.
God help us.
I mentioned to a colleague that the Government wanted to impose vaccines passports here and that in many countries you are required to show them to go almost anywhere including work.
She said she thought it was a good idea to track people and that those with nothing to hide had nothing to fear.
We then discussed the recent party revelations and what a lying turd Boris and his government are.
I asked her why she would want people like Boris to know her every move and have the power to turn off her ability to interact in society via a vaccine passport app?
Her face just glazed over.
Whenever I hear people spout “those with nothing to hide had nothing to fear” my eyes glaze over. Its ignorance and then some. A lot of it is wilful ignorance too.. cowardice..
These people must seriously believe that governments are trustworthy – the question is, why? Hasn’t it always been obvious that politics attracts a particularly slimy and self-serving type? OK, there are exceptions but they are a minority.
Tell her I would like to setup a CCTV camera in her bedroom, after all, she has nothing to fear.
Let’s have a look at a pic of her before we’re too hasty!!
Had similar conversations with people who see the state apparatus as entirely benevolent. Logic and the lessons of history fall on deaf ears. The soundbites of keeping everyone safe and protecting the NHS are all that is on their lips. Well I assume it is. I can’t see their lips because of their mask.
Most people are completely ignorant of history – which is why the same mistakes get repeated over and over. As for logic – not everyone has it.
She obviously has had the injected experimental drug more than once. She’s bought into it.
Truly ignorant of WW2.
Fucking teachers again.
They’ve lot to answer for.
For those of us who believe, God is our only help.
I feel the same way.
I’m sure the Vaccine Passports will just be temporary …
2 week vaccine passports I reckon. They go out of date (along with your digital money) if you don’t get your monthly MicrosoftRNA protein booster.
Looks like 8 people here cannot detect irony…
Having watched the Government do the opposite of what the evidence and sense indicates they should do for a year and a half why would anyone expect them to do anything other than continue in lockstep with their globalist friends and impose vaccine passports?
It is so depressing. The trouble is there is no political opposition to it and in fairness to Boris (not a phrase I ever thought I would use) I think he is one of the MPs who doesn’t agree with vaccine passports. The trouble is he is under the cosh over this nonsense about the Christmas party so now needs to show he is taking it all seriously, since he is a populist Prime Minister.
And I had just written to my MP too to lobby against vaccine passports. Of course I haven’t had a reply…..
The vaccine passport is a good placeholder until CBDC later next year. At which point as those already out of a job and have lost their small businesses and don’t want the clot shot will be hungry and cold. The great financial reset fixes this. Be happy.
And eat those yummy bugs. It’ll make you strong.
“Ye who suffer woes untold,
Or to feel, or to behold
Your lost country bought and sold
With a price of blood and gold.
Let a vast assembly be,
And with great solemnity
Declare with measured words that ye
Are, as God has made ye, free.
Let the charged artillery drive
Till the dead air seems alive
With the clash of clanging wheels,
And the tramp of horses’ heels.
Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war,
And that slaughter to the Nation
Shall steam up like inspiration,
Eloquent, oracular;
A volcano heard afar.
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many – they are few.”
Satanic cult cancels Xmas…..again.
Ignore them and get on with your life.
As predicted, here comes the lockdown. Let’s see how they want to play this.
One option is that they can use Johnson’s “fall from grace” to have him introduce restrictions before Christmas, maybe from as early as next week. They can then sack him and in the whole shuffling of papers around, trying to figure out who’s to take his place and all that, they’ll “forget” about the lockdown until late spring and they’ll never cancel it. “We didn’t lock you down, it was Boris. We were against it, but there’s nothing we could have done…” They can then blame the winter spike (that happens every year) on people disobeying lockdown and going to see relatives.
Or they can take the safer approach, lockdown in January, and take credit for the naturally decreasing winter wave. Meanwhile, the papers will all be screaming about how they should have locked down earlier, cause look at all the infections.
Vaccine passports are an unknown. They seem hesitant to introduce them, but I think it is well within the realm of possibilities.
The same game plan as last winter, with the media covering up for them.
Also, where are all the people saying “It’s just masks, is that such a big problem?” or “It’s just a vaccine, take it so we can end this.”? Does no one remember “the nuclear option”, or the promise to not have lockdowns again? I would guess not.
Just pondering, I wonder which internment camp I’ll be sent to. I hope it’ll be one near the mass covid graves we were told about and close to a Nightingale Hospital.
As one of the “purebloods” will I be amongst many or a few?
Alas, the numbers look dreadful, and I need to be seen to do something decisive …
Don’t make excuses for them. They’re following an agenda.. they don’t need numbers..
These numbers
What do those numbers represent?
different brands of identical products being rated badly
Polling for the political parties if my guess (colours) are correct.
It is one of the last moments to bring in the vaccine passports as the virus and its variants are fast petering out.
They’re desperate to keep the narrative going, especially as it will cover up their own personal errors, like with the 2020 Christmas Party etc. The mainstream Opposition are just as bad, given their own rank hypocrisy.
Time for (nearly) a clean sweep in politics generally.
I’m DONE with the Tories. If this goes through, then I’ll be protesting (for the first time in my life) – openly – not just trying to convince those opposing us online to change their minds and trying to get my local Tory MP and all those on the other side of the debate booted out of parliament asap.
The ‘sane’ opposition parties (i.e. not LibLabCon, SNP, Greens, PC or most NI parties) on our side of the fence need to put aside their differences and egos, and we ALL need to come together under ONE united banner to STOP and roll back this tyrrany, before it’s too late.
It feels like late 1920s / early 1930s Germany at the moment. Which way we turn depends on all of us doing what we know is right and must be done, even if that means risking our livelihoods. There WILL be a reckoning afterwards.
Anyone with a functioning frontal lobe knew this was happening and that the Moronic variant was the excuse. One step closer to their endgame. Unless more people wake up, which doesn’t look like happening any time soon, this is not looking good. Very depressing.
“What happened to lockdown-lifting being irreversible, and relying on the vaccines rather than endless restrictions to ‘save the NHS’?”
They lied, because it’s a conspiracy to introduce permanent restrictions?
“it’s a conspiracy to introduce” passports, a.k.a. digital ID.
Ah, but you see, it’s not a lockdown. It’s a circuit breaker. Quite different.
Yes, conspiracy. With Gove leading, and wanting to replace Toad.
I don’t buy the narrative plan b is a distraction from last year’s xmas party, I think it’s the opposite, the “leaked” footage is the distraction from public anger at plan b.
I also don’t believe the Handjob video was maliciously leaked, I don’t believe in coincidence theories, I don’t believe in convenient leaks, if you’re a civil servant you sign the official secrets act! It’s not difficult to work out who knew what.
Plan B was always plan A, it was always going to happen before xmas. The agenda is digital biometric ID.
You are right … unfortunately.
Oooooooh bollocks – I had the exact same thought but was hoping I was being a cynical bastard…not that we dont have justification of course.
Seeing others thinking the same makes it pretty clear thats the plan.
As usual, just when you think the worst of these people they surprise you yet again.
Yep
I’m pretty profoundly depressed right now to be honest.
I get that. I keep thinking that I can’t stomach much more but then find out I’ll have to.
Yes, it is difficult, but these are desperate moves by the Johnson regime and once again he will be seen as the bare-faced liar that he is. This will be his undoing and finally open the eyes of many to his malfeasance and treachery.
People keep saying that but nothing happens. They just keep on getting away with it time after time.
Don’t be – get ANGRY. They WANT you to be depressed, because that encourages submittal and resignation to one’s fate, and not upping the will to fight back against their tyrrany.
Resistance is NOT futile.
Most of us probably are, but don’t you give up now.
That’s what the bastards want .
Hold the line.
On this earth or the next they will get their just desserts.
you know, I sometimes do wonder if they would have had an easier time just admitting it upfront without the synthetic virus and saying “guys, we are looking to introduce digital passports for general travel etc etc”. I suppose Blair tried it and he got told to F off.
The thing is the passports are not for general travel etc.. they will be your QR code, linked to Central Bank digital banking and a social credit system. Total control, from cradle to grave..
I know but they could have slipped that in later just as they will in this circumstance no? Start off with justifying it for travel etc and then BAM. I suppose the virus allows them to circle off a much much wider range of uses. Just thinking out loud
I’m still puzzled as to why they think we need a jab that doesn’t prevent infection for a virus that seems uncomfortable yet mild.
It doesn’t totally prevent infection – few vaccines do – but, at least for a few months reduces the risk. I’m puzzled as to why so many people on this forum cannot grasp this. It is not controversial. Even the Will Jones’ articles on vaccine effectiveness support it.
Go boil your head mate..
It may reduce the risk for a few months, but after that it appears to actually increase the risk to above that of the unspiked. Are you keen on being tied into a spikes every six month for life policy? Even assuming that the cumulative effect of the multiple spikes doesn’t cause mass fatalities, which remains possible.
I think it is quite likely that we will end up with Covid being a seasonal threat and the more vulnerable will have a routine annual jab in the autumn. This is essentially the same as we now do for flu and the roof has not fallen in. With luck they will be able to do both at the same time.
Luck? Ha ha, very funny. Dream on.
But we don’t cause massive societal harm for flu, do we? Nor do we bully and coerce people into having the flu vaccine. Nor is it even offered to most of the population.
Plus of course the flu vaccine is actually a vaccine, and although its effectiveness is often over-stated at least it doesn’t appear to cause any major harm, unlike the experimental gene therapy injections.
How about we handle one question at a time. Can the various prophylactic Covid injections (it really doesn’t matter whether you call them vaccines or not) reduce the risk of infection? The answer is yes although it declines with time. Right?
The latest evidence that I’ve seen, infers that the very elderly and immunocompromised might be getting benefit from continual boosting, as their initial response wasn’t that strong to begin with. However, as you go down in age groups and improved health status, these prophylactics are doing the reverse. There are numerous studies showing this and this is being backed up by the statistics. So yes, boosters encouraged for very elderly and infirm, for anybody else, it should be between them and a GP.
There are numerous studies showing this …
Really? Please give a link to one. I mean a study not someone’s blog or an article on internet sites like this.
One of very many on the subject…
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.12.21261952v2
That only shows reduced antibodies against specific variants after a second dose. That is a very long way from showing that further doses actually increase your chances of infection compared to not being vaccinated.
You seem to have forgotten two crucial points:
1) The decline appears to go into negative territory, i.e. actually causing someone who catches the virus to be more ill than if they had been unspiked.
2) For most people, the “risk” is feeling a bit crap for a few days, or at most a few days in bed – i.e. pretty mich the same as colds and flu. So no justication for misleading or coercing them into having an experimental injection with rapidly waning efficacy, known and potentially serious short-term side effects and unknown long-term ones.
And no justification at all for vicious NPI measures which wouldn’t be justfied in any case, and which the statistics show are completely ineffective at restricting the spread of the virus (but very effective at causing all manner of social and economic damage).
The question was whether vaccines reduce the risk of infection. It was not about how ill you get if infected. Let’s stick to one question at a time.
We can’t ‘stick to one question at a time’ because it’s not a simplistic situation where only one thing matters. Even df the vaccines reduce the already (for most people) miniscule risk of serious illness in the near term then the short and long term risks, both known and unknown and including the risk of negative immunity after a few months, is simply not an aceoptable price to pay and the “vaccines” should not even be offered to people at low risk (i.e. most people).
Nonsense. It is perfectly possible to answer one question at a time. Do vaccines reduce the risk of infection with the SARS-Covid-2 virus for at least a period after inoculation? This has is either true or false and the answer is not affected by whether it is worth the supposed risks.
OK – let’s assume that they do reduce the risk of infection for a few months. Then what? Do you reckon that this alone justifies everything without needing to take any notice of the many negative issues?
I am not assuming it is true. It is true. By itself, this does not justify vaccination – of course not. As you say, that is a much more complicated issue.
How about you start explaining the massive death and injury toll due to this so called vaccine, or are you going to make light of that too.
I am not making light of anything. I just don’t want to address the question as to whether the vaccines are unsafe. I have done this many times before and it always goes round in circles.
You didn’t answer the question.
Why take something that harms you after a few months and is only getting shorter?
The best thing is to catch the mildest version of the virus. Moronic is practically benign.
I am sorry I can’t keep track of all the questions being fired at me which is one reason I am confining my responses to the simple question – do the current Covid vaccines reduce the risk of infection for a period after taking them. No one has actually disputed this. So I guess we all accept it?
As an advocatus diaboli, I would say most on the forum accept that vaccines temporarily reduce the risk of covid, but they also suspect they might increase other health risks, which have not been properly accounted for in the clinical studies, if only because the indemnified manufacturers had little interest in publicizing such risks.
It is difficult to argue that no conflict of interest exists. And the plentiful attempts at removing “misinformation” only serve to increase distrust in the official sources (what else are “they” hiding from us?), as does the unsettling lack of justification for some of the measures (why do we need to vaccinate 5-11 year olds again?), their introduction against advice from expert bodies tasked with weighing risk/benefit, and the lack of explanation from the overseeing authorities how exactly the risk monitoring is being conducted (e.g. do you recall even a single reassuring MSM article about that VAERS etc. are not the only canaries?)
So yes, you can call it a paranoia, but it’s a paranoia fueled by how these new drugs are being “sold” to the public.
I do not defend how the vaccine programme has been promoted or some of the policies round it. I only wanted to address StoppingtoThink’s comment.
I’m still puzzled as to why they think we need a jab that doesn’t prevent infection
As we seem to have agreed that the jabs do reduce infection for at least a period this seems to answer his puzzlement.
I’m puzzled why you insist on pretending there’s a “risk” of any real significance to reduce. You are an apologist for a fake emergency used to rationalise harmful and costly policies that become actually evil when they reach the levels of discrimination and coercion already in place in many places.
Why don’t you talk to some ICU doctors about the purported lack of risk from catching this disease? Or do you think they are all confabulating?
I know the numbers and you and MTF presumably do as well. This disease was on a similar level of risk, broadly, as ordinary pandemic flu’s even.when it was brand new. Now, with so much of the population resistant by virtue of having had it, it’s basically a common cold virus that occasionally causes serious consequences.
It’s nothing that remotely justifies an emergency response, let alone mass coercion. It never was.
That’s what MTF is lying about. He’s pretending there’ some kind of grossly raised risk around when there isn’t.
“Why don’t you talk to some ICU doctors about the purported lack of risk from catching this disease? Or do you think they are all confabulating?”
ICU doctors’ opinions don’t change the numbers, and I’m not going to take their self-interested emotionalism and hysterics as some kind of gospel. The fact is that I have spent a lot of time in my life with medics, some quite senior now. I know just how human they are, and we’ve all seen what a bunch of self-serving fannies many of them have been over this mass panic. We’ve seen some of them outright lie about numbers in their hospitals as well.
That’s what MTF is lying about. He’s pretending there’ some kind of grossly raised risk around when there isn’t
I have not made any reference to the risk of hospitalisation or death associated with Covid infection. Only to the risk of being infected. And I have not said anything about what that level of risk is. Only that the vaccines reduce it for a period. Where is the pretence?
We have repeatedly engaged here, with you defending the various emergency responses. My comment was directed at your overall position, not the specific content of the comment it was a reply to, which merely set the context for it.
I’m 60, in good health and have lived through two years of your virus, MTF, with not a hint of illness. There is no ‘risk’ to me. None.
If I were to obey your orders and get these injections, I’d be taking pharmaceuticals I don’t need. And that is one of the most stupidly dangerous things a person can do.
Go boil your head.
Just because something hasn’t happened to you it doesn’t mean you weren’t at risk.
Life is a risk, obeying stupid edicts is a choice, a risky choice. I choose life not stupid choices. Go read Kennedy’s book The Real Fauci, 2.99 on Amazon, and then tell us Paul is wrong.
Paul said there was no risk and he emphasised that with “none”. You say that life itself is a risk. Which of you is right?
The risk of dying with Covid in any year for any given individual is no greater than the risk of them dying of anything in that year, given their age and health.
Reduces the risk of what?
Being infected – which is what StoppingtoThink was writing about in the original comment.
And having the sniffles for a few days? What a scary prospect!
Infected with what? What consequences does this “infection” have?
Infected with what?
Presumably StoppingtoThink was writing about the SARS-Covid-2 virus.
What consequences does this “infection” have?
Sorry – I am sticking to one question at a time. Otherwise the discussion disappears down a rabbit hole.
You are ‘sticking to one question at a time’ because for some reason you appear to believe (or claim to) that the reduction of an already miniscule risk for a few months is an acceptable price to pay for assorted potential short and long term risks, some of them serious and including potential long-term impaired immunity.
I am sticking to one question at a time because otherwise the debate gets into a total mess of multiple different threads.
You’re the one who led us to the rabbit hole. You bandy about terms like “infection” as if they mean something. Certainly our lives seem to getting royally fucked up because of “infections”. But my view is that the term has little significance, and unless you can explain why we need to worry about “infections” then I am not interested in them.
Why not ask StoppingtoThink? He raised the concept to begin with
Lets put it this way.. its nothing to do with your health. Its to enable them to be able to bring in vaccine passports which will then morph into a digital ID that you will not be able to function without. This will later be linked to a Central Bank digital bank account linked to a Social Credit Scheme.. this is what they are pushing for worldwide for total control. A new feudal system. Watch the video below.. you’ll get it then.
The Vaccine Passport Trojan Horse
Government expected to announce more of the same old pish as before, more like.
“Michael Gove, the Communities Secretary, and Nadine Dorries, the Culture Secretary, both spoke out in favour of the move”
No surprises there. It’s pretty clear Gove was one of the prime insider movers at the top level in the UK regime pushing for the abandonment of reason in March 2020.
Never forget, and never forgive.
I will wait for that fucker on his way to Hell.
Oh Lord, ,just give me 5 Minutes alone with him.
It’s because the entire world is following the same global plan, in lockstep, as we below the line have been pointing out for months and month. In other words, it’s a conspiracy, not a cock-up.
But I expect you at least know this, Will.
It’s almost as if there is a spiritual war going on, with the forces of evil on the ascendancy seeking to destroy once and for all the forces of good, and seeking to condemn mankind to perpetual slavery under the despotic rule of the father of lies.
Oh wait, no, according to Dawkins that’s all bollocks.
Darwin said in first edition of Origin of Species that bears evolved into whales by swimming around trying to open their mouths wider to catch bugs.
Yeah that’s much more sensible. I don’t know what I was babbling on about there. Carry on, with the Science.
Mind you with masks covering our bug-catchers, we’re unlikely to turn into whales ourselves at this rate.
What has Darwin got to do with totalitarianism?
I don’t like Dawkins politics or scientism, but I fail to see a connection between evolutionary theory & public health tyranny with a hidden agenda.
I was connecting the dots from recent Daily Sceptic posts. Possibly a bit too freewheeling of me. But I did have a serious point. This is all complete bollocks from any rational point of view. Because it’s got nothing to do with rationality. This is pure spiritual warfare. So I was making a joke contrasting this extreme position with the dominant cultural framework of the day, which is basically some rational secular humanism. Or Darwinism, because that’s what got us to where we are. So yeah, on the one hand, The Science, where all the idiocracy is, and on the other hand, the crazies, the conspiracy theorists, those who see the bigger picture, heck, the Christians. It’s a war, is my point, and evolution is not going to save you.
Well, it may have been clearer if you said that. But you are right survival of the fittest, i.e. those best suited to their environment will succeed, & those that created this crisis are manipulating an environment best suited to them, we are losing that battle & very likely the war.
The thing with science (not to be confused with The Science) is that it works on the basis of hypotheses and then seeking evidence which support or contradict the hypothesis – and any proper scientist, such as Darwin, would modify or discard a hypothesis if that’s what the evidence indicated.
The Science, in contrast, is actually a cult where high priests such as Fauci, Pantsdown and Whitty spew their shite, and that’s then taken as immutable “fact” forevermore. It doesn’t matter that there is now a wealth of statistics which show that the claims made in March 2020 are bollocks: hey are still adhered to as “Truth” and all government policies and media narrarives remain based on them.
If anybody is surprised by this then they really haven’t been paying attention,the passport is and always has been the end goal,,,,, there has probably been at least 20 instances over the last 2 years that point to this being the case…..from the volte face by Vallance in March 2020 where he stated in the Standard that there is nothing you can do to stop a spread to a total lockdown position less than a week later, to the hammering taken by the Great Barrington experts for coming up with sensible alternative society saving suggestions….this will turn bad very quickly,and it probably needs to
Questions every journalist should be asking (but of course won’t) at the press conference this afternoon are:-
Dead cat strategy.
Where’s the emergency? Euromomo data shows clearly that all cause mortality is below average, here in the UK. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Just remember, prior to the jabs, this was a virus with a 99.%% survival rate.
I believe NOW is the time, NOW is the time, NOW is the time for:
1. Actually joining planned “get togethers” at large scale events (careful to avoid key words)
2. Actively seeking MP consultations
3. Writing to schools on mass, regarding ongoing child abuse with masks and “ventilated” (refrigerated) classrooms.
4. Stop watching, feeling guilty (as I have done), events in London etc. And actually attend.
5. Joining forces, including doubters, cynics, conspiracy theorists, educated researchers…as we are all against state overreach and control.
I say this as someone who has read LS and DS daily, been proud of the contributors and even prouder of those putting their heads above the trenches.
We need to sort this NOW.
Just an idea but maybe everyone supporting this needs to start wearing red (happy with any colour, but my winter wardrobe is a bit grey and I want a new jacket).
Ditch the state homeschool with no masks.
I’ve had my feet on the ground at every one of the London protests. I’m worn ragged by it all but I’m not giving in. I do have a red coat for winter
You have it the wrong way round the party leak was to distract from the real agenda, ever more draconian measures against the people
Where is the proof, where is the evidence for this, the idiots in the press have been so distracted by the false scent of a story they can have the usual Johnson nothing wrong done crap. Meanwhile the work of serving a centralised world order under Masters with a God complex continues,
Rebel, Resist and throw these creatures to the dogs
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“Masks were to soften you up for Plan B”
A government whistleblower lets the mask slip.
Masks were a softening up exercise for Plan B,’ according to a government whistleblower. He told me that while there is little appetite in the Cabinet for a full lockdown, Covid Passes are ‘oven-baked’ and ready to go.
For this government insider the implications are now too serious to remain silent because ‘we are lying when we say masks work. They are a signal, a psyop. And we’ve criminalised not wearing them. Masks also transfer the blame onto individuals for the epidemic spreading. We have people counting the unmasked on public transport, policing each other. It is deeply unethical that we have set people against each other in this way. It allows the creation of an “out group” to blame.’ He points out that it is the government we should be blame for not increasing healthcare capacity.
The government insider is brutal about the reality of our situation: ‘England is teetering on the edge of a depressing, bureacratic, safety-obsessed society. We’re not at the level of Germany or Austria yet, but we’re on a precipice nonetheless.’ On his primary reason for calling me, he said he is ‘ashamed how much people believe in masks despite the lack of evidence’.
Our leader’s masks are slipping, exposing hypocrisy, psychological manipulation and barefaced lies. Frankly, I am ashamed of them.
https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/masks-were-to-soften-you-up-for-plan
I am ashamed of the majority of the British population for putting up with this crap. We are a society of gullible, cowardly stupid people.
Shame no one seems to notice that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have had varying degrees of vaccine passports for some time now – and no one was renting their shirts over their loss of freedom.
Vaccines working well.
Holy shit, pigs might fly…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59579077
Overwhelming top rated comments are telling them to stuff their rules. So, are 77th on holiday, or have the BBCs dark masters told them to put the boot into the pig dictator?
The BBC want rid of Johnson so they quite likely told 77 to stick the boot in. Next week they’ll be back to normal.
I think Bojo and the rest of the Tories have done us a favour with their Christmas party at Downing Street. It might finally cause the masses to wake up to the fact they are been hoodwinked.
In a sane world it is a dead cat designed to get the party off the front pages. However, it will be so unpopular that the NaziTories will never recover. If Labour support Vaxports they are toast as well. I’ve informed my Tory MP I will be campaigning against him.
Allegra Stratton has quit, anyway.
So?
I just engaged in the utterly pointless endeavour of emailing my (Labour) MP. This is part of the automated response:
CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) UPDATE: I know there is much anxiety surrounding the spread of Coronavirus. My team and I are working remotely but are still here to help. We aim to provide up-to-date advice and guidance where appropriate and can advocate to Government agencies and external bodies on your behalf. There is a change to how I conduct my weekly advice surgery which you can find below.
Please see HERE for the latest Government guidance for more details on the Coronavirus restrictions and how they will affect you. It is vital we do everything we can to protect one another and our NHS.
Forget Parliament.
I’ve emailed my (Conservative) MP four or five times and got the same sort of bollocks back each time. He never answers my questions, just quotes from a script. Waste of fucking space.
Off topic, but if the Pig Dictator goes who will replace him and will it be somebody who’s a bigger zealot than Doris? Yes we’ll all cheer as the fat cunt goes, but if he’s replaced by somebody worse and with a clean slate takes over, what then?
I’d rather he wasn’t replaced – not because I have any respect for him whatsoever, but because any replacement is highly likely to be worse!
I see no candidate at the top levels of the “Conservative” Party with any realistic prospect of leadership who has been significantly better than Johnson. Most of them would probably have been worse. And of course the alternatives in other parties would have been far worse. This reflects the general malaise in and corruption of our political class and system. There’s no quick solution to that.
So getting rid of Johnson will see no improvement immediately and might well make things worse. However, what alternative do we have to picking them off one by one, as and when opportunities arise? Never forget. Never forgive.
If the base had a real choice, there might be a chance, but last I heard, they have a choice of two finalists the party presents them with.
The aim is digital IDs for everyone and the virus, variants and public health emergency is just the vehicle for doing it. And as the virus gets milder and the public wake up to their true aims they are desperately pushing it towards the goal. Only when the target vaxxed is reached will the virus conveniently disappear. The public really will finally wake up when they realise that when it does go, they are all left with digital collars around their necks.
https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/masks-were-to-soften-you-up-for-plan
Surely this has to be the time when the people of Britain realise the government has taken them for complete fools since March 2020 and finally waken up and show some resistance. Or perhaps they’ll just make sure Netflix & Amazon are operating as normal and continue with the existence that once was living.
Smartphone in one hand and a beer in the other. What’s not to like? [scarc – in case any one missed it]
Best bit. I am on a train unmasked. Surrounded by obedient mask wearers. Many of them clearly have colds or various illnesses and are coughing.
The inconsistency of their approach is amazing. Or maybe they really think that masks work.
By the way, I actually tend to agree with Sam Bailey and Tom Cowan that the idea that viruses make you ill and that they do so by interpersonal spread is possibly the biggest scam of all time.
So in reality their sneezing does not worry me too much.
News conference at 6pm
Boris: Alas, lies, lies lies, lies, jabs, lies over to you Patrick
Patrick Vallance: Here is a very scary graph made up by Prof Fergusson
Chris Whitty: We don’t know much but if … and if … and if …and if ,,, and if .. this could be very worrying.
Boris: Any questions?
BBC: When can we lock up the unvaxed?
SKY: Can’t we have more restrictions that Beth and Kay can ignore?
ITV: Robert Peston looking weird
Surely iti s obvious the the whole point is to bring things to fever pitch.You can see that if you look at the situation globally.The nation states will be labelled as the worst murderers in history and then we get the slippery tail of the snake. Many people are feeling despondent so I think it’s important to assert that their agenda is utter nonsense. For one thing, in order for people to cooperate at all there has to be a culture and a sustaining myth otherwise you might as well just shoot up smack.This is an utter imposture. Much of the genius of the English language is the facility to take the piss out of anything and everything.
Here’s my ‘Plan B.’ Boris can go fuck himself and Whitty and Vallance et al are to be strung up by their wedding tackle ’til they peg it.
Face it.
It’s been coming.
They have declared war on us.
I’m proud never to have in all my long life broken the law.
Now it begins.
I don’t swear much either.
But these fucking bastards deserve a Nuremburg 2.
It ain’t going to happen on this earth.
But I want a ringside seat as the fuckers descend into Hell.
I will wait by the river to watch their corpses float by.
Can they conceive the depth of despair some people are in – and I don’t mean fear of fucking covid – kids “testing positive” traumatised in case they pass it onto Granny, the easily frightened still afraid to mix, the elderly condemned to die (and more quickly now thanks to the new pathway to death), businesses trashed etc etc.
Even the Church has been converted – amazing what the promise of a few quid – and immunity from prosecution will do. Where I live the good Christian churchgoing souls show their generosity of spirit by offering free meals at Xmas – but make sure you’re vaxxed.
I have visceral hatred for them all.
And the Heavens gently weep….
posted on gold goats and guns – says it all
Jair Bolsonaro Wins TIME’s 2021 Person of the Year Readers’ Poll
It’s impossible not to see this as a vote for medical freedom, as it’s the man’s biggest contribution of the year. Also think it’s doubtful that Time editors will ratify this choice.
There is an ivermectin panic on the big tech and MSM right now. Massive articles from MSM on Ivermectin trying to push a danger narrative and also negative press on Americans Frontline Dr’s, again, to keep the Covid narrative alive. Just go to the Goog and type ivermectin then look at all the panic news articles. We are over the target. Big-Pharma is panicking. This medicine has been widely used by humans without any problems for 40 years. It’s inventor won a Nobel Prize after 20 years of successful use and after 100 million people were cured of a broad spectrum of problems without any side effects. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
To be repeated ad infinitum:
Do they know it is covid time?
A Merry Covidmess to one and all.