Due to a heightened fear that Italy will soon suffer a ‘fourth wave’ of Covid infections, five of Italy’s 20 regional governors have come out in favour of copying Austria’s unvaccinated lockdown. The Telegraph has the story.
Although 84% of Italians over 12 years-old are double-jabbed, that still leaves around seven million who have still refused to have the vaccination.
The number of infections is steadily rising, as there were nearly 7,700 new cases on Tuesday, compared with 5,100 cases on Monday. Italy’s death toll from the virus stands at nearly 133,000, which is the highest in the E.U.
“Eventual new lockdowns should not have to be suffered by those who are vaccinated. Restrictions should only apply to those who are not immunized,” said Massimiliano Fedriga, the Governor of Friuli-Venezia Giulia in the northeast of the country.
His stance is supported by the governors of Tuscany, Calabria, Liguria and Piedmont.
Matteo Renzi, a former Prime Minister and now head of a small centre-left party, agrees. “You’re not vaccinated? Then stay at home,” he wrote on social media.
It comes as the Czech Republic is moving to ban people who have not been jabbed from public services.
Andrej Babis, the Czech Prime Minister, said that from Monday the authorities will ban unvaccinated people from access to a range of services as Eastern Europe battles a new wave of infections.
Slovakia is also due to vote on Thursday on banning the unvaccinated from non-essential shops, hotels, big public gatherings, gyms and swimming pools.
The Czech Republic reported more than 22,000 new cases on Wednesday, nearly 8,000 more than a week ago.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: A piece in the Express highlights that Britain’s initial Covid response was originally inspired by Italy’s lockdown, and that U.K. experts could still be influenced by what future restrictions the nation introduces.
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The Axis Powers are at it again.
At least Mussolini made the trains run on time.
He came to a sticky end as all tyrants eventually do.
And the sooner the better.
Yep – I wouldn’t fancy being in Carrie’s shoes (metaphorically – and, as it happens, literally)!
If they were, we wouldn’t be discussing policies heavily favoured by China, the so-called American left and the WHO. Eg, in practice, so-called Germany is pretty much an American puppet state led by a thoroughly americanized elite who’ll gladly implement everything from the mothership or any random international organization voluntarily insofar they aren’t contractually forced to do it (eg, the German military is exclusively a resource for the NATO or the UNO to make use of as they see fit).
But England is prepared with its very own Churchill the Younger! A fine statesman from Eton! And with a ‘woke’ army, Britain cannot be beaten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jgrGtiYHE
Restrictions should only apply to those who are not immunized,”
and those injected with the clot-shot are certainly not immunised.
Only those who previously caught SARS2 have immunity.
Luckily they will soon get the opportunity to catch it and thus get immunised.
I think its important to include those of us who have or appear to have natural immunity anyway.
But governments the world over refuse to even acknowledge that such a thing as natural immunity exists, or to accord it its proper place in any ‘strategy’ or classification they devise.
And they expect me to buy in to such an absence of science.
Anyone who has had the clot-shot may have compromised their immune system and when they meet SARS-CoV-2 again they may have worse symptoms and other health problems.
It’s far better not to have the clot-shot in the first place.
This whole thing is reptillian thinking. Fascism is reptillian thinking. Users of the prefrontal cortex need not apply.
What this says to me is that the authorities are aware they are losing control and their response is of course an even bigger clampdown. Because the only alternative is to admit they fcuked up and if they do that they know they will at best be out of office and at worst be shot like Ceaucescu.
I think we are approaching the end game…
I fear it’s the end game for the 10-20% that think for themselves.
Don’t play into their hands. That is precisely what they are hoping for.
Italy’s death toll from the virus was adjusted downwards to less than 4,000 some months ago. It has been estimated that deaths have been overstated by as much as 92% in most countries including the UK.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/03/italian-higher-institute-of-health-adjusts-number-of-deaths-due-to-covid-alone-since-february-2020-downwards-from-over-130000-to-under-4000/
Glad you posted this, you beat me to it.
Ian Davies did a piece for UK Column some months ago where he reckoned UK death toll was 9k as oppose to the ridiculous figure they spout now.
The majority of these concocted figures are ‘with’ and not ‘from’ or even just a PCR test result.
They didn’t revise from 130k to 4k. That’s fake news. They simply said the likely number of those who have died directly from COVID is likely around 4k. The 130k is “deaths with” not “deaths from” and hasn’t been revised as far as I know.
Of course the point still stands that we’re firmly in mountain molehill territory. I’m just picking up on the accuracy here because I’ve seen a few from “our side” share it and I think it’s often framed in a way that borders on misinformation, which I don’t think does our argument any favours, since our argument stands up on its own.
That is essentially the same thing. Perhaps not ‘revised’ but ‘accepted’?
I disagree personally. For me to consider it “accepted”, it would have to be within official statistics, and it’s not. Read the “Stop press 2” on the linked article – it appears it’s simply someone’s opinion.
@downvoters – if you don’t explain your thinking, I’ll carry on thinking as I do – you have a perfect opportunity to convert me to your way of thinking – why pass up that opportunity?
It’s coming. They start small, test the waters and roll it out bit by bit. Things are going to get very dark in the next few months.
The disasterbators have been saying this for months. Broken record. Give it a rest. We are still here. We’ll still be here next spring. At least, I will be, and anybody else here who doesn’t spend his time wallowing in useless misery.
There will be demos all over the country this coming Saturday. Go and join one. It’s known as ‘doing something about it’.
Yes indeed. Many of these doom merchants are paid trolls. They are here to tell us all is lost and though they don’t quite say it, the inference is to give in, we are beaten, let’s just take the jabs. No thanks, the dead meat still walking trolls, can stick the Covid “poison death shots” up their own backsides, where they belong.
“Eventual new lockdowns should not have to be suffered by those who are vaccinated. Restrictions should only apply to those who are not immunized,” said Massimiliano Fedriga, the Governor of Friuli-Venezia Giulia in the northeast of the country.”
I assume this is translated from Italian and, if so, I wonder how accurate it is, specifically with regard to the use of the word ‘immunized’. Presumably, someone has told the Governor that the vaccines are not traditional vaccines and, therefore, don’t provide immunization – hence why the fully vaxxed can catch and transmit the virus. He – along with his fellow governors – either don’t understand this or they understand this perfectly but just don’t give a poop. I fear the latter.
The way it was worded in NL has been that “restrictions should not apply to those who have been responsible and done their duty”. The original narrative was that the unjabbed needed to be protected for their own sake and to stop the health care system from getting overloaded. How does that translate into a blatant statement to reward those who “had been responsible” (and conversely punish those who had not and stubbornly sought to hold on to the rights granted to them under the institution). Outrageous state of affairs. It is starting to get comical to keep hearing the actual medical experts contradicting the political dipsticks, the polis don’t even try to pretend they are acting on the recommendations of the OMT anymore.
What has happened is that the campaign went just as planned, except maybe for the vaccination rate.
The plan was to “reward” the vaccinated with freedom and turn them into freerange superspreaders so that they might infect each other without much harm and gain the desired long-term immunity which cannot be offered by the vaccines alone.
The fly in the ointment is that the unvaccinated are being infected as well. This was well known, and it was the reason for all the threats against them throughout the campaign – in vain hope that they would be tricked to comply and become safe.
But when there is too many unvaccinated around the vaccinated, the hospitals get full – because unvaccinated tend to get sick(er) than the vaccinated. The blame for infection is of course shared by both groups – the reckless vaccinated and the more reckless unvaccinated. And the blame for the entire situation is entirely on dishonesty with which the campaign was performed – probably because speaking clearly what was intended would have been very unpopular and make the orchestrators appear like the cynical butchers they really are.
The reality now is that both the butchers and most of the vaccinated could care less about the unvaccinated’s fate, but they do care about the health system collapsing. Because that again makes the first group look like cynical butchers who are playing with other people’s lives, and the second group like those who followed the butchers’ ideas. So it is much more convenient to blame the (not so innocent) victims of the entire charade and let them suffer under forced “protection” while saving hospitals.
By the way, effects of mass vaccination against viral disease have been studied on chicken farms in context of Marek’s disease. The conclusions are that the mass vaccination in the long run makes the unvaccinated chickens much more likely to die from the disease than if no vaccination was performed. The vaccinated on the other hand are protected, making the disease less problematic in absolute terms. That’s why farmers strive to vaccinate all the chickens against Marek’s disease – and those unvaccinated ones are shit-out-of-luck.
The same logic has been applied by big pharma, as it provides a wonderful sustainable business model – keep getting vaccinated or individually suffer the consequences of actions of the vaccinated majority. Yes, it’s very unethical, but in such a lose-lose situation avoiding vaccination means assuming increasingly higher personal risks with no visible reward.
In other words, the “best” option (for health outcomes, disregarding economic cost) is when all are vaccinated, the worse (but extremely cheaper) option is when nobody is vaccinated, and the worst scenario is when the most are vaccinated and some are not – in other words, the outcome willfully and predictably created by the politics and pharma.
Hmm apart from your analysis appears to have already fallen apart empirically in 100% vaxxed-Gibraltar, where Xmas has just been cancelled due to a surge in “cases”
Nowhere did I say that a 100% vaccination rate would be enough to protect all hospitals and everywhere in the world. But it sure makes it more likely that hospitals don’t get full compared to anything below.
Finally, you also need to take into account WHEN the people got vaccinated – the protection wanes with time, so having a badly timed vaccination campaign would have been another mistake and is probably the major explanation of why the vaccinated are increasingly succumbing (unvaccinated get infected first; once the pool is exhausted, the vaccinated follow, as they essentially become unvaccinated themselves with passing time).
Ah, now the caveats start to roll out….
The reason why the German government keeps fucking you over is because you can never admit to yourself that they did actually lie to you and you were wrong in believing them.
The UK still has a much higher so-called incidence than Germany and (reportedly) a lower rate of both hospital beds and intensive care beds. We don’t have any general Corona restrictions at the moment. Yet, the health system didn’t collapse anymore here than it did in all the other places of the world where the mock-hysterical screaming of the usual suspects was disregarded.
That’s a real word data point.
I can see you’ve thought about this very hard. The fly in the ointment is that the unvaccinated aren’t getting sick from an imaginary illness. In fact, no-one is getting ‘Covid’. It’s mass hypochondria.
Not this shit again.
It is a well-known fact that chicken mass-produced in US chicken mass production plants usually don’t survive for long enough to enable them to be sold unless they’re injected with some cocktail of “disease suppressing agents” as early as possible. The obvious conclusiong would be that such chicken mass production plants are a very unhealthy environment for chicken — nobody would ever have guessed that.
You could be right, who knows but I’ve made my decision and I feel quite peaceful about it at the moment – that could change, of course. But if it doesn’t end well for me personally (i.e. I get Covid and die because I refused a vaccine) then so be it. Sometimes you just have to get on with whatever life serves up to you, whilst being true to yourself – it seems more important right now to remain true to my principles than just going along with the current madness.
I don’t think anybody really is worried whether you die or not, the problem is that your prolonged dying process may cause harm to other innocent by-standers (I mean people who cannot get operated because you are occupying the bed; and the cost of treating you for a preventable disease). Therein lies the whole ethical dilemma – your freedom vs. others’ freedom not to suffer consequences of your decisions.
Well the vax has certainly cleared many hospital beds of those pesky old people, so you’re right in saying it solves the prolonged dying process.
I prefer an ethical approach myself though.
Or could it be that hospitals get full in the winter, as they’ve always done? Just a thought.
Nope, it couldn’t be. ICU wards did not get full in the winter to the point of having to move patients around. And 20% of beds (and more) were not utilized by a single disease during the previous winters.
You mean the disease of PCR testing?
No, the disease that those silly people in the hospitals tell us about happening there every day. But what do they know, we should listen to Dr.aper233 instead!
I’ll let you into a secret….there’s no Santa Claus either
Why are you on here spouting such crap?
Or it could be that hospitals are structurally understaffed. I’ve found reports from medical committees from 2009 where they recommend expanding ICU capacity by 150 beds – instead, they lost 150 beds. In other words, we went into the pandemic with a lack of 300 beds that had already been deemed necessary. Right now some 300 ICU beds have corona patients in NL, a country of 17.5 million people – that doesn’t sound like the collapse of a health care system, but the failure of a government to ensure the health care system is robust.
False dichotomy. Hospitals ARE structurally understaffed and they ARE getting full because of COVID-19. There is no contradiction. You seem to be (still) lucky in NL, but the situation is not the same and changing fast in Germany. In general, it is little consolation that there is a free ICU bed “somewhere in the world” when you need this bed in your town or at least in your country. And no amount of philosophizing about “understaffing” is going to change the fact that if you wish to avert disaster, you need to take measures that reduce the risk – starting with the cheapest, most effective ones. Like getting vaxxed.
Hmm fresh air and exercise are effective AND free of charge but your side doesn’t seem keen on either.
No profits to be made there though.
This is the dangerous rhetoric, that the jabbed “have done their duty” or “done the right thing”. The same thing came out of Johnson’s lazy vacuous head the other day. It is the govt which has the duty to do the right thing for ALL citizens not to foster division or discrimination amongst them.
At the same time, those who have been double-jabbed now realise they have been hoodwinked and will need to have at least four jabs in order to retain their permissions. Or six jabs in Germany. So probably six jabs here by then too. Or more.
The jabbed also think lockdowns of the unjabbed are their “reward” for having done what they have done. Which begs the question, what is it they think they should be rewarded for? The exercise of duty doesn’t come with reward. Inherently, the exercise of a duty is its own reward. But the govt painted the double-jabbing as performing the final obligation under the social contract to “save the NHS”. In that sense, the govt has breached that contract not the other parties to it.
But then along with every other step of govt performance since the start of the epidemic, they have unilaterally amended the contract (“moved the goalposts”) whenever it suits them or their controllers.
The jabbed now realise they took risks with their own health which they were told didn’t exist (“100% safe and effective”) and with no recourse against the govt or pharma companies, they turn their anger on those who have thus-far exercised better judgment and critical thinking than they have.
It’s why ridicule is so important.
The clot-shotters know they’ve made a mistake.
I do think that’s why some of them are on board with the punishment of what they believe to be duty-shirkers. Most people I’ve spoken to don’t seem to care too much whether someone else has been vaxxed, it’s the government, particularly the min. of health who have been pushing the hate speech. But the ones who don’t want more measures are happy to go along with the “well why should I suffer”.
It hasn’t sunk in with enough people that the only ones making them suffer are the caretaker government.
If the caretaker government had a magic stick they could wave around to make people appear and disappear from hospital, your argument would be fully valid and respectable, dear Jane. But as it stands, you know how much truth it holds.
“. . . The jabbed now realise they took risks with their own health which they were told didn’t exist (“100% safe and effective”) and with no recourse against the govt or pharma companies, they turn their anger on those who have thus-far exercised better judgement and critical thinking than they have.”
This goes to the heart of the matter; nail on head CS – well said.
It’s going to get very difficult for all this countries to then explain the increasing rise in infections even after incarcerating the unvaxxed. Or will our superpowers mean that we have become more infectious by being locked in and can telepathically infect the rest of the world.
In NL they are crying about having higher numbers of infections than last year. You’d think that might get some people thinking, you know like, perhaps the vaxx just doesn’t do very much or the vaxx is actually making it worse. You’d also think the urgency to get that 3rd jab out would make a few light bulbs go off that the vaxx ain’t that great.
On the Jerusalem Post I just read an article telling Israel to prepare for a 5th wave – after barely finishing giving people their third poke. The best experimental untried medicine ever!
They will claim that the unvaxxed don’t follow the rules enough. The final solution will then be to cart them off to camps.
What gets me is when you suggest such parallels to people they just stare at you as if you are insane.
I’m not saying that is where we are heading, this could be governments panicking because they messed up big time and they know it.
But what I don’t understand is how people can pretend such horrors are impossible. In history classes here (at least when I went to high school) all you heard was WWII. We heard about the abuses in the former East bloc, the atrocities when Yugoslavia fell part. Why in the ever loving world do they not believe something like that could happen again? Humans be humans after all.
Governments haven’t “messed up big time,” they are following orders.
It’s so obvious, as they are all doing exactly the same thing at the same time.
Yes, I go along with much of what JaneDoe is saying, but it’s well past time to stop the nonsense about governments being incompetent and messing up.
Governments are simply the agents of certain elitist oligarchs, who believe that killing off 95% of the global population is the answer to all the problems of today’s world.
The governments are all working together, or all being told what to do together. This is no mess-up or mistake. No government has even asked its peoples what they wanted – there has been no voting or referendum as to the favoured course of action. What would the people like? They’ve never been asked, as regards ‘Covid’.
I’d say let the virus run its course, and put more money into hospitals and health centres to combat it. This approach has the unfortunate side effect of showing that ‘Covid’ isn’t by far as dangerous as has been made out, and where are the vast profits to be made in that?
So – scary virus – give us your money!
Do you also wish to make a referendum among passengers how to pilot an airplane when they board? Would you like to fly on such an airplane?
Using your analogy, the response to Covid-19 has been like a pilot throwing away all proven expertise and procedures for flying a plane and trying something completely random for no apparent reason.
Would you like to fly on this airplane?
No, it’s not at all like that, so I don’t need to answer your question. The pilots have largely agreed on how (not) to fly this plane, and you are sitting in the cabin and telling them they are all wrong.
Nope, i’m on the Swedish plane landing safely with my pilot Tegnell….how’s it going on your German plane?
It’s not the same thing, and you know it. And people generally get on planes of their own free will, they are not coerced and encouraged to do so by means of psychological abuse, social shaming, and multi-million Pound advertising campaigns, or punished if they do not get on board.
Still unvaccinated here – just where is this highly contagious and deadly virus? Yes, yes, I know – it’s because so many others around me have been ‘vaccinated’ they are protecting me… or it’s because of the face masks.
I thought Covid was a con when it first came out in March 2020, and I still do. We are constantly told that our area has a high rate of ‘cases’ – well, where are they, then? What are their names? No-one ever tells us that.
It’s certainly not because of the face masks. Covid is not a con, there are just many running cons around it (face masks being one of them; unlike vaccinations that have a very measurable effect).
We were hijacked by the f**king pilot(s)!
They don’t believe it because the whole western education system ‘othered’ the problem. We entered the ‘end of history’ in the latter 20th century, an era of exceptionalism. Those things all happened in WW2, they defined that era, they made it unique. The fact it, it wasn’t unique, isn’t unique and never will be unique.
Good point.
Today’s young adults certainly can’t claim ignorance of the Nazi era, because it’s taught obsessively in schools. In fact, it’s taught to the virtual exclusion of the rest of European history. Which, as you point out, effectively de-contextualises it.
Anti-semitism, for example, has its roots deep, deep in German history. If the ‘Crusaders’ who initiated pogroms against Jews in the twelfth-century Rhineland had had gas chambers for Jews, they would certainly have used them.
King Edward 1st also persecuted the Jews of England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
I admire the optimism – but do they need to explain anything? They haven’t made sense up until this point and the idiots have lapped it up regardless.
Federal Judges findings on Covid shots regarding hospital injection mandate – Darling et al v. Sacred Heart Health System et al., N.D. Fla. Pensacola Division.
This Judges findings should be compulsive reading for all MPs
“Here, I find that enjoining the hospital’s policy pending final disposition of this case would not be adverse to the public interest because, based upon the unrefuted medical testimony which I find to be credible that I have in this case:
First, although the COVID threat has not completely dissipated, the case numbers are down significantly and are continuing to decline particularly here in Florida.
Second, most people who get COVID have mild to no symptoms.
Third, the mortality rate is only half a percent, and it’s ten times less than that for people without other health conditions or risk factors.
Fourth, there’s significant and legitimate bioethical concerns about mandating the COVID vaccines because there’s growing evidence that the relatively low benefits of the vaccines are not significantly outweighed by the associated risks. Indeed, one of plaintiffs’ medical experts testified that statistically the COVID vaccines are, quote, “the most dangerous vaccines ever created,” unquote, because their adverse incident rate is nearly twice the rate of other diseases.
Fifth, the vaccines are unnecessary for persons who have previously had COVID because they have natural immunity that provides equivalent or greater protection against severe infection than the vaccines. And according to one of plaintiffs’ medical experts, quote, “if you have had COVID, there is no legitimate reason to be vaccinated,” unquote.
Sixth, unlike other diseases for which a vaccine is the only effective treatment option, there are multiple effective outpatient treatment alternatives available to prevent or treat COVID, including the ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies.
And perhaps most importantly, the unrefuted evidence in this case shows that the vaccines simply do not accomplish the purpose of the policy that it’s aimed at achieving; that is, quote, “keeping everyone safer,” because, again, they do not protect people from contracting the virus, nor do they prevent people from getting the virus.
In short, although it is not for the Court to say whether the vaccine mandate is in the public interest, the Court can and does determine based upon the unrefuted and persuasive medical evidence before the Court and the considerations listed above that it would not be adverse to the public interest if the policy was enjoined while this case ran its course.
On this point, it is noteworthy that the recently enacted OSHA and CMS rules do not take effect immediately as one would expect if indeed the public interest would be adversely impacted by further delays in vaccinations.”
Common sense from a court.
Remarkable but very welcome.
Source? (This case is still listed as pending in online databases.)
Partial transcript of ruling as shown above. Full transcript tomorrow or Friday:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qi7x86dxiyh8e0w/20211110%20-%20Ascension%20Injunction%20Ruling%20Excerpt.pdf?dl=0
Thanks.
Today’s Daily Sceptic bulletins merely demonstrate how far governments are travelling in Rockefeller Lockstep with one another to facilitate the corporate takeover of global governance – with former nation states now openly acting as mere administrative units of the UN Agenda 21/30, WEF/WHO driven, New World Order. In the case of the covid regime, states grant Big Pharma monopolised profits and legal indemnity in exchange for a vehicle by which to expand the regimes powers of control over citizens. Since the UN/WHO,WEF and corporations are completely unaccountable and supranational, the nation state becomes submerged into a totalitarian ‘one-world government’ modelled on China – whether or not a One World Government is ever actually formalised.
Speculative but plausible analysis
James’ 50 quid bet with Toby is looking safer by the day.
Surely nobody is still in doubt about whether this is coordinated or not? I, for one, am prepared to give up literally everything if/when the UK follows suit. A hill literally worth dying on.
I live on a hill, I don’t intend on going anywhere.
It’ll never happen here
With all due respect, that’s an incredibly naive opinion. I’m 95% sure it’s only time that is the variable.
https://dontbetheirfool.com/documents/Roadmap%20NWO%20leaked%20bij%20Canadian%20official-the%20Canadian%20Report.pdf
Anyone remember the Canadian report, leaked over a year ago?
It looks to me as if they are following it to a T.
We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.
Bollox.
I think this was a joke.
not funny
It already has.
The regions in the UK which have brought in vaxx passports for things like hospitality, are effectively saying that the unvaxxed are excluded.
I cannot now visit a cafe, restaurant, pub or any cinema or theatre. I am locked out of all of those things – doesn’t leave much left. And once they “bring them in” then they reserve the right to “extend their application” to other things.
In short order will I soon be banned from using public transport, accessing public services, shops???
How much more locked down as an unjabbed person can I be?
And all the while totally ignoring the fact of my natural immunity, acquired when I caught and recovered from covid19, the same natural immunity which trumps the immunity conferred by a jab, which doesn’t have to be “renewed” with a booster every 5 months and which copes with any and all variants.
Let’s be clear, this so-called locking down of the “unvaccinated” has nothing to do with the unvaccinated and is just a preemptive strike to increase success probability for the (recurring) booster campaign. Once an example has been made by the regime of the unvaccinated, nobody of the “still vaccinated” is supposed to dare join their ranks.
Therefore it does not matter that there are very few “unvaccinated” today, the signal is toward the entire society.
Only dickheads wont join our ranks
Yes it probably does has something to do with increasing the success of the booster campaign. But it also absolutely does have something to do with the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated = non-compliant = more difficult to control and more likely to question and resist other dictates. Anyone who resists needs to be forced to comply or be crushed, as they pose a threat to TPTB.
you are correct it’s all about obedience they cannot have people who question or challenge as they have a lot more to do to introduce a new world order
There is not really that much “obedience” involved in taking an injection or two (even an injection every 6 months). After all, you can still remain “disobedient” to everything else after getting jabbed (and/or) as soon as the hospitalization rates become so low that they don’t cause any clogging of the hospitals. If the hospitals were not getting full, THEN we could focus on all the sinister motivations (and there’s surely quite a few to keep an eye on, especially when it comes to economic and geopolitical interests). But since the hospitals ARE getting full, it is a little bit silly, isn’t it?
Build more hospitals then. Instead of giving all the money to Serco via test & Trace.
Funny how the Nightingale hospitals were all knocked down…!
Of course, let’s quickly build more hospitals. After all, it’s not a problem to get a new hospital built within 2 weeks, the Chinese have shown us how it’s done, haven’t they? Also train all the missing staff in the same period. Not a problem at all, you’ve cracked the case, Sherlock.
Yes, build more expensive hospitals and keep idle staff waiting for morons like you who do not like to get a cheap effective vaccine. Makes full sense. Nobel prize in health care economy.
Hospitals may be getting full, but it sure ain’t from covid.
No, certainly not from covid, just from not being able to catch breath unless extra oxygen is provided. It’s certainly not from covid, though. Currently over 10% of ICU in a few German lands with these unexplainable symptoms, trending upwards. But let’s all agree it’s not covid and nothing needs to be done about it.
over 10%? Interesting. And what about the rest?
The rest are “other cases” who frequent hospitals every winter. In contrast to the extra-on-top (and growing) 10%, the 90% are a stable, predictable variety – which is why hospital capacities are what they are.
I don’t care if they’re full.
That’s (they think) you need to be isolated – because you don’t care.
Hospitals are full every day with obese people (there is no condition that forces you to eat sh!t) who are going through angioplasty and heart surgery. A&Es are full every night with individuals who chose to drink too much that night. You should apartheid them too by that logic.
Denial is a very powerful force.
You took the bait, live with it
I just recovered from this piece of sht virus and I didn’t even take a day off work.
Always the same tired arguments. Obese people don’t infect others with obesity.
So you still believe that the vaccinated don’t spread the virus. My my you really are in denial.. .
I now have full natural immunity. Can I spread the virus rayc?
No, I believe the vaccinated are causing less problems for the hospitals, from catching an infectious disease. Sheesh, it really feels like talking to 5 year olds sometimes.
You’re flipping from justifying lockdowns because of the unvaxxed spreading vs the unvaxxed taking up beds because of suffered symptoms. Which one is it? If it’s the latter then my previous comment still applies. Lock down the obese and the drunks too then.
No, your comment does not apply – if only because an obese person and an alcoholic cannot become normal weight and sober by taking a simple injection (if what you are insinuating is that the obese/drunks are more susceptible to covid).
So they’ve made it such that the vaccine is the only thing that can stop me from being hospitalised. Not a single campaign on being healthy, taking vitamins and ahem, taking existing prophylaxis to stop people from ending up in hospital. And yes, you get a FREE BURGER if you take it. So get obese at the same time why not. Great health policy.
This is about passports… they want people like myself eliminated to push their agenda rayc.
Who is “they”? And yes, the vaccine is the best, most effective prevention we know of today. You wouldn’t be very happy with “them” if “they” pumped you with some shitty vitamins and other quackery, and then you got severely ill from covid anyway, would you?
And I will repeat here. For 6 months plus governments have targeted children to get vaccinated. I had a colleague at 40+ who was denied a Pfizer vaccine because “they were reserved for the young”. I kid you not. Therefore we are here today because of failed policy.
First time I hear of any such incident. Maybe you should go to the press with it.
Or do you mean he was offered a DIFFERENT vaccine, but insisted on getting Pfizer because he liked it more? Well, if so, you don’t need to go anywhere – the fault is all his own in that case.
He was offered a different one yes. But why does that matter? Why reserve their claimed most effective vaccine for the lowest risk group?
Because the vaccines were short in supply, and the other vaccine (which he refused) had a worse risk profile for the younger group. I thought both facts were well understood at that time, but there you go.
Again you’re missing the point. The world is dying from a virus, you must save humanity. You must save those most at risk. Here’s a fact for you. The young dont need a vaccine, period. Not moderna, not Pfizer, not anything. But sorry mister risky group guy, we know you specifically do have a non zero risk of adversely being impacted by COVID but we’ve reserved the vaccine for a group that doesn’t need it.
Passports
“You can still get a different vaccine we have reserved for you, risky guy.”
“No, thanks, I won’t take it, and complain about how cruel you were to me and how illogical the world is.”
BTW, there are some young people (with a suppressed immune system) who are still at risk and could have used your risky guy’s Pfizer vaccine.
Why don’t you just p1ss off? You are a real pain in the gluteus maximus.
In 2019 during the run-up to the Trump election I thought to myself, politicians couldn’t be more divisive. How wrong was I.
It’s like putting a syringe of pfizer-poison on a table in front of someone & putting a gun to their heads & saying it’s your choice, it’s not forcing someone at all is it, FFS! It’s going to end in tears, when the judicial system fails to act logically (it will) & facilitates this nonsense I just know I’m going to be really disappointed in people’s response, cucks & serfs all of em.
Note it is socialists at the top of the queue pushing this totally illogical unscientific utterly futile idiocy. This only demonstrates how worthless formal education has become.
Ya know, psychiatric care is full of people who are absolutely certain that they have the world sorted out and everyone else besides them is acting crazy. Just something to ponder.
You’re the one pushing for ‘vaccines’ that don’t work. Who’s the crazy?
You clearly know little about psychiatric care.
You sound like you speak from personal experience, also something for me to ponder.
But they are often correct.
Signori Dicci, Nobi, Fuli, Canto, Bestiali
This is going to make your blood boil.
Considerations regarding consent in vaccinating children and adolescents between 6 and 17 years old
In summary, the WHO are saying sending your children to school is implied consent for vaccination.
Not home-schooling is the next thing to child abuse.
Just a pity you can’t take saving to the LEA you make home-schooling.
5 more for the list
Yep.
I sit by the river……
How can people be so dumb as to think its the unvaxxinated who are causing the problem?
Dare I say ask the Jews
or the blacks or the catholics or the women who were called witches
we haven’t moved on from the dark ages have we
Just check who is warming the bed in the ICU ward.
But you really don’t wish to know, do you?
You’re very convincing.
Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.
Keep answering!
I’d love to know. Please do tell.
As of latest reports for Germany, 70% of the ICU covid patients are unvaccinated and in a few lands, more than 10% of ICU beds are occupied by covid patients overall. Given that ICU normally operates near capacity, this is enough for some hospitals to be unable to admit new patients. What else do you need to know?
So given that we know this piece of sht virus literally affects nobody BUT those with co-morbidities and of old age the government spent 2 years vaccinating who exactly? Clearly not those in need. Instead they’ve spent the past 6 months coercing parents and targeting young children. Is that it????
So those who have never taken up a single hospital bed in their healthy lives and who have the slightest intelligence to realize that this injection does FCK all are the ones who have to pay?
So I’m the one people have to avoid as I might “spread” the virus. Ffs
Those in need were of course prioritized, but many rejected the offer based on bollocks such as regularly published through this site. Now they are warming the ICU beds – certainly not because the the kids took away their vaccines.
I am not at all in favor of vaccinating kids – which I believe is an opportunistic scam going on along with the really sensible vaccination of vulnerable groups. That’s what makes this whole situation such a shitshow – it’s not black and white, and anyone who claims so and is committed to taking “sides” is a simpleton.
The creep of totalitarianism moves through state by state. How long before it reaches old Blighty. I’ll break every rule they try out on me if/when it gets here. Let’s see if Boris and his filthy goon squad have the nuts to try this sheite out here.
if he does try it we must move in every single one of us who refuse to be jabbed by this useless and dangerous P.O.S injection, along with, I hope the others who have woken up to this insanity.
Playskool Unveils Vaccinate Me Elmo Doll
Sick!
Peppa squeals like a pig!
The sequel: Peppa get’s eaten for breakfast following heart failure
No, just some of the best satire available, today – long live the Babylon Bee!
There is absolutely nothing funny about the last 20 months.
On the contrary, it’s all the biggest joke ever played on humanity.
I expect a lot of the posters on this site haven’t been affected much. There needs to be a bit of humour in everything to relieve the tension, but I agree with you in that this whole situation has not been taken seriously enough with sing-songs on protests, and pissing about with on-line petitions (none of which will even be read).
I’ve seen videos of people on the protests and think to myself, they are so happy, it’s all smiles, is it really a protest or just a ‘get-together’ on a Saturday, a day out in London?
It has been pointed out to me that this sort of thing is good for the morale of The Resistance, and that’s true – but when I see Matt Hancock running through London and no-one throwing bricks at him, I can see that few are really as angry as they would be if they had had their homes taken away from them, lost their jobs, run out of money, cold and hungry and without being able to even have decent clothes. I think people are still just too comfortable.
I agree, where is the uproar and where is the outrage. If we don’t get to that stage soon it might well be too late!
The British are pretty slow to anger, and I tend to think the game being played by the YUK government is most definitely a sly slow boiling of the frog. There’s a sense of a phony war.
I’ve no doubt at all what’s going on abroad is being closely monitored by the fat controllers here. If and when draconian measures are introduced, its then you’ll see a shift in mood I think.
The Aussies have only just started to rise up, and its taken that ‘enough is enough’ moment to get there..
That has not escaped my attention, even the opposition to this shit haven’t taken it seriously, a carnival atmosphere pleading our oppressors to be nicer has never worked & never will. I agree, I think the majority of people actually enjoyed lockdown. There’s nowhere near enough anger.
Elmo sure looks like his air supply has long run out.
Terrible! Elmo needs TWO or more masks.
Plus a 6 month subscription to new jabs.
Either it’s really a globalist plot or none of these idiots can read. Unvaxxed can catch and pass on covid and their viral load is just as high.
The viral load may be “just as high”, but the infectiousness does not seem to be:
The incidence among the unvaxxed is at the moment 20x higher than among the vaxxed in Germany. Even if you assume that the vaxxed are not getting tested as much, it is a little bit too much of a difference to disregard it as purely accidental.
Maybe, but what about the unvaxxed and recovered?
No evidence anywhere of these unfortunate souls passing the deadly disease on.
The recovered are treated similarly to vaccinated in Germany (except that for some strange reason they only have a free pass for 6 months – which I think is just indicative that the vaccinated will soon cease to be classified as such). The recovered do not appear to cause much problem for hospitals, but they are still a minority compared to the non-infected unvaccinated, and therefore largely rrelevant.
How does that square with the UK data showing rate of infection higher in the vaccinated??
I don’t know – you tell me. Why do some countries experience lots of infections and others not so many?
That has no relationship to figures from everywhere else we look. Sounds well sus
That’s only because you are only looking at the outliers (where you’re told to look by your like-minded pals).
Source…?
His mum
See my response to isobar above.
better carry on with the clear out then of these others
just like Hitler did with the Jews
I mean 2 years almost of lockdown and the cold is still here. if we burn all the unvaccinated just like they did the witches and the catholics the Gods will be appeased and all the good people can get on with their lives.
Evidence please!
See “7-Tage-Inzidenz der geimpften und der nicht (vollständig) geimpften Bevölkerung in Sachsen” on https://www.coronavirus.sachsen.de/infektionsfaelle-in-sachsen-4151.html
Incidence among unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated: 1823/100K
Incidence among vaccinated: 64/100K
Your sweeping statement is derived from what appears to be one solitary 7-day report relating to a state of just 4 million people, published by a government-funded source.
And there was me thinking you might be cherry picking….
Freedom is ultimately more important than a piddling disease.
They’re off again aren’t they. 76 years after they were put down they have come back like the troublesome and authoritarian tyrants they are. Germany, Austria, Italy, what a surprise – the usual suspects.
YouTube and ‘schindlers list euthanasia’ if you want to see how the Germans used to make more hospital bed space available. I won’t post the link directly as it’s a bit ‘raw’ – but I do think people need waking up and to take the next protests seriously.
Before Patel makes protests illegal.
I find it shocking, but not surprising, that the Germans are still ‘at it’.
Thank God for Wellington and Nelson.
Pity they are not around today.
I’d rather a Napoleon, personally. We need (a) revolutionary leader(s), not stooges of the status-quo.
And they called those of us who predicted medical apartheid “conspiracy theorists”. Now they say, of course it makes sense to discriminate against the dirty unvaxed! (Just as James Corbett predicted). Who cares what the evidence says, they deserve to be treated as subhumans because our honourable governments say so, and that’s good enough for me!
They are undoubtedly culpable. But ‘the people’ have also been systematically manipulated and lied to. So their leaders and the cowards in parliament will pay a heavy price when the reckoning comes.
Cue all the splinters from scratching their heads when positives still come after locking up the disgusting.
so the vaccines neither protect or stop transmission. but because those who do not take it have no obedience pass, they must be punished.
This is house arrest. no crime has been committed. what is the next level to be set against these people who have done nothing wrong.
starvation. ghettos? camps?perhaps enforced medical experimentation, and finally for those that will not give up their bodies state mandated death.
so much for Italians who were rescued from a tyrant, in the second world war, so much for the country that hosts the pope the head of the Catholic Church.
Where are the defenders of people who have done nothing wrong. These evil politicians who are calling for the start of a new holocaust. where is our government in the condemnation of such wickedness and cruelty against perfectly decent citizens who just don’t want to take an ineffective unlicensed product. What are these politicians going to demand of the obedient next?
we are all in danger now
We are. The ‘half-vaxxed’ and ‘ex-vaxxed’ are in our boat now, what with boosters. As a practising Catholic I am outraged by this pope’s cowardice and spinelessness.
You should try Arch-covidian-bishop Dustbin Jellybaby. Now there is a true enemy of God. The sort that gets shovelled into Hell in every medieval picture of that location,
Unfortunately some Italians, Renzi and Fedriga in this case, will accept fascism as a price worth paying for their brown envelopes
There is no “harsher” punishment required. The idea is to keep the unvaccinated out of circulation as long as the hospitals are overburdened. And if all you can do is sit in your home and post bs online, that public health goal has already been achieved. “Thank you for cooperating.”
Things are happening in Austria.. the union of Austrian Armed forces and the police union have said they are going to join a mega demonstration on the 20th November in Vienna and are totally against the ruling by the Austrian Government.
The info site is French but use page translate and you’ll get a good idea of what’s going on. This is the sort of action we need to put these wretched political parasites back in their cages..
https://infodujour.fr/politique/54068-lautriche-se-souleve-contre-la-dictature-sanitaire
Thank you for this. Daily Skeptic needs to get its skates on regarding reporting Austria. The fate of Europe is in the balance: 1683/2021.
No problem BS665.. I live in France but am in YUK at the moment. My French colleagues who are watching the situation keep me informed..
“The police and the army refuse to make controls for the sanitary pass under the name of ‘liberty and human dignity’. They will join a large protest against the mandatory lockdown of the non vaccinated on the 20th November in Vienna”Infodujour.fr
Bravo! There is hope..
Austria and Italy – birthplace of Hitler and Mussolini – both countries going back to their fascist roots it seems.
How do they police this nonsense? I have every faith in governmental incompetence and their lack of joined up thinking. Does anybody still use the trick and trap QR code? It was heralded as the thing we all had to use but after a couple of weeks it was ignored.
Ignore anything the politicians say and turn it into the farce it is. They cannot imprison us all, they don’t have the man power. OK one or two people will be made an example of and the MSM will splash it across the headlines but at the end of the day it’ll fade away.
Serco (Trap & Trace) phone to people who are supposed to be self-quarantining for 10 days (arrivals to the UK) and they send Mitie marshalls round to some people to check they’re at home.
Whether people who break this quarantine are fined, or pay those fines, I have not heard.
A good trick would be that when Serco phones, to get someone else to tell them you’ve already left the country and gone back to Russia/China/Indonesia – somewhere you’ll know they’ll not be phoning to!
Serco are parasites. As are Mitie. Sucking up the taxes of the hard working British.
And guess who holds the golden share in Serco.. clue.. she’s got a £million hat..
It’s going to be interesting to see how they manipulate the data to show that a lockdown of the unvaccinated means less infections/deaths etc from Sars Cov 2. Any thoughts on this?
Reduce the testing, presumably.
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Locking down the unvaxxed is classic torture.
As to the victim on the rack: ‘We aren’t doing this to you, you’re doing it to yourself. Just renounce your faith, betray your comrades, renege on your God and your honour. Everybody else has. It’s all we want. Why punish yourself? Just give in, and the pain will stop. No more pain. Or are you going to force me to tell the nasty men here to take another turn and pull your limbs right out of their sockets? You choose.’
Two words for those Italian governors: Gemonian Stairs.
The originals may be gone, but that doesn’t mean you’re safe.
History doesn’t repeat itself but it does rhyme.
Rayc hard at work trying to derail things btl – on behalf of 77th or has shares in Pfizer? Can’t be arsed wasting any more breath on him/her/it. Will still get my down votes but no more attention to this poor deluded vaccine fanatic/wef plant.
Yes, helenf, cancel the truth, after all that’s how it’s done when everything else fails (or even much sooner, these days) and then you can celebrate with your pals in your comforting safe space / echo chamber.
Yes Helen. I just scroll past his posts when I see his name appearing – wouldn’t waste my time or intellectual energy reading anything he writes.
Excellent video from Freddy Sayers at Unherd https://youtu.be/y9io1MZz_7E
Freddy is in Vienna interviewing the public. It is very depressing. The reaction at 2:37 summarises the utter stupidity of these resolute morons who worship at the covid alter despite having done ZERO research. She visible retracts in fear at just the suggestion that the vaccines do fuck all. The unvaccinated speak logically and clearly and have put thought into their position. Everyone else, including the professor are utter fuckwits.
To be brutally honest, when their quarterly “vaccine” fucks them over, it isn’t going to be that bad for the gene pool. Maybe that’s what Bill is after?
The biggest lesson to be learned so far is that almost all of these self-proclaimed left/left of centre politicians (or more correctly bureaucrats, as they enforce the decisions of others) have revealed themselves to be, in fact, fascists:
Trudeau, Andrews, Ardern, Sturgeon, the Irish one, Biden, the Italian one. It’s hard to see someone like Andrews seeing eye to eye one bit with Boris Johnson. Yet here they are peddling the same lies, same policies (albeit at different stages) re forced vaccination etc
The all work in sales, selling ideas on behalf of others.
BREAKING NEWS: Winter sees more corona virus infections and deaths! ( Who knew??). Therefore let’s shut everything down ( or at least prevent the non-compliant from living their lives), because it clearly worked so well last Winter! The powers that be are either 1. Stupid or 2. Evil or 3. See 1 and 2. I’m banking on no. 3.
Has the numbers being tested changed? Without that data, any analysis is POINTLESS. Which all assumes the tests work which they don’t in which case it’s all POINTLESS.
WHY WHY WHY???
to repeat the oft-repeated and what must now be known to even the longest necked of long-necked ostriches, Jabbies are the spreaders jabbies can catch it. Unjabbed are probably naturally immune so probably far less likely to be capable of spreading the unsequenced, unidentified, theoretical bug that the vast majority of people don’t die from, or even get very ill from.
These bastards are fuxxing relentless.
No doubt mein fuhrer Johnson and his criminal cronies will soon insist on the unvaccinated sporting yellow stars.