Five Italian Governors Wish to Follow Austria’s Lead in Locking Down the Unvaccinated

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Due to a heightened fear that Italy will soon suffer a ‘fourth wave’ of Covid infections, five of Italy’s 20 regional governors have come out in favour of copying Austria’s unvaccinated lockdown. The Telegraph has the story.

Although 84% of Italians over 12 years-old are double-jabbed, that still leaves around seven million who have still refused to have the vaccination.

The number of infections is steadily rising, as there were nearly 7,700 new cases on Tuesday, compared with 5,100 cases on Monday. Italy’s death toll from the virus stands at nearly 133,000, which is the highest in the E.U.

“Eventual new lockdowns should not have to be suffered by those who are vaccinated. Restrictions should only apply to those who are not immunized,” said Massimiliano Fedriga, the Governor of Friuli-Venezia Giulia in the northeast of the country.

His stance is supported by the governors of Tuscany, Calabria, Liguria and Piedmont.

Matteo Renzi, a former Prime Minister and now head of a small centre-left party, agrees. “You’re not vaccinated? Then stay at home,” he wrote on social media.

It comes as the Czech Republic is moving to ban people who have not been jabbed from public services.

Andrej Babis, the Czech Prime Minister, said that from Monday the authorities will ban unvaccinated people from access to a range of services as Eastern Europe battles a new wave of infections.

Slovakia is also due to vote on Thursday on banning the unvaccinated from non-essential shops, hotels, big public gatherings, gyms and swimming pools.

The Czech Republic reported more than 22,000 new cases on Wednesday, nearly 8,000 more than a week ago.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: A piece in the Express highlights that Britain’s initial Covid response was originally inspired by Italy’s lockdown, and that U.K. experts could still be influenced by what future restrictions the nation introduces.

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Newman20
Newman20
4 years ago

No doubt mein fuhrer Johnson and his criminal cronies will soon insist on the unvaccinated sporting yellow stars.

IanC
IanC
4 years ago

WHY WHY WHY???
to repeat the oft-repeated and what must now be known to even the longest necked of long-necked ostriches, Jabbies are the spreaders jabbies can catch it. Unjabbed are probably naturally immune so probably far less likely to be capable of spreading the unsequenced, unidentified, theoretical bug that the vast majority of people don’t die from, or even get very ill from.
These bastards are fuxxing relentless.

neilhartley
neilhartley
4 years ago

Has the numbers being tested changed? Without that data, any analysis is POINTLESS. Which all assumes the tests work which they don’t in which case it’s all POINTLESS.

imp66
imp66
4 years ago

BREAKING NEWS: Winter sees more corona virus infections and deaths! ( Who knew??). Therefore let’s shut everything down ( or at least prevent the non-compliant from living their lives), because it clearly worked so well last Winter! The powers that be are either 1. Stupid or 2. Evil or 3. See 1 and 2. I’m banking on no. 3.

CoronanationStreet
CoronanationStreet
4 years ago

The biggest lesson to be learned so far is that almost all of these self-proclaimed left/left of centre politicians (or more correctly bureaucrats, as they enforce the decisions of others) have revealed themselves to be, in fact, fascists:

Trudeau, Andrews, Ardern, Sturgeon, the Irish one, Biden, the Italian one. It’s hard to see someone like Andrews seeing eye to eye one bit with Boris Johnson. Yet here they are peddling the same lies, same policies (albeit at different stages) re forced vaccination etc

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago

The all work in sales, selling ideas on behalf of others.

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago

Excellent video from Freddy Sayers at Unherd https://youtu.be/y9io1MZz_7E

Freddy is in Vienna interviewing the public. It is very depressing. The reaction at 2:37 summarises the utter stupidity of these resolute morons who worship at the covid alter despite having done ZERO research. She visible retracts in fear at just the suggestion that the vaccines do fuck all. The unvaccinated speak logically and clearly and have put thought into their position. Everyone else, including the professor are utter fuckwits.

To be brutally honest, when their quarterly “vaccine” fucks them over, it isn’t going to be that bad for the gene pool. Maybe that’s what Bill is after?

helenf
helenf
4 years ago

Rayc hard at work trying to derail things btl – on behalf of 77th or has shares in Pfizer? Can’t be arsed wasting any more breath on him/her/it. Will still get my down votes but no more attention to this poor deluded vaccine fanatic/wef plant.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Yes, helenf, cancel the truth, after all that’s how it’s done when everything else fails (or even much sooner, these days) and then you can celebrate with your pals in your comforting safe space / echo chamber.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Yes Helen. I just scroll past his posts when I see his name appearing – wouldn’t waste my time or intellectual energy reading anything he writes.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

History doesn’t repeat itself but it does rhyme.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
4 years ago

Two words for those Italian governors: Gemonian Stairs.
The originals may be gone, but that doesn’t mean you’re safe.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Locking down the unvaxxed is classic torture.

As to the victim on the rack: ‘We aren’t doing this to you, you’re doing it to yourself. Just renounce your faith, betray your comrades, renege on your God and your honour. Everybody else has. It’s all we want. Why punish yourself? Just give in, and the pain will stop. No more pain. Or are you going to force me to tell the nasty men here to take another turn and pull your limbs right out of their sockets? You choose.’

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

DS99
DS99
4 years ago

It’s going to be interesting to see how they manipulate the data to show that a lockdown of the unvaccinated means less infections/deaths etc from Sars Cov 2. Any thoughts on this?

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DS99

Reduce the testing, presumably.

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

How do they police this nonsense? I have every faith in governmental incompetence and their lack of joined up thinking. Does anybody still use the trick and trap QR code? It was heralded as the thing we all had to use but after a couple of weeks it was ignored.

Ignore anything the politicians say and turn it into the farce it is. They cannot imprison us all, they don’t have the man power. OK one or two people will be made an example of and the MSM will splash it across the headlines but at the end of the day it’ll fade away.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Serco (Trap & Trace) phone to people who are supposed to be self-quarantining for 10 days (arrivals to the UK) and they send Mitie marshalls round to some people to check they’re at home.
Whether people who break this quarantine are fined, or pay those fines, I have not heard.
A good trick would be that when Serco phones, to get someone else to tell them you’ve already left the country and gone back to Russia/China/Indonesia – somewhere you’ll know they’ll not be phoning to!

Serco are parasites. As are Mitie. Sucking up the taxes of the hard working British.

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

And guess who holds the golden share in Serco.. clue.. she’s got a £million hat..

I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Austria and Italy – birthplace of Hitler and Mussolini – both countries going back to their fascist roots it seems.

George L
George L
4 years ago

Things are happening in Austria.. the union of Austrian Armed forces and the police union have said they are going to join a mega demonstration on the 20th November in Vienna and are totally against the ruling by the Austrian Government.

The info site is French but use page translate and you’ll get a good idea of what’s going on. This is the sort of action we need to put these wretched political parasites back in their cages..

https://infodujour.fr/politique/54068-lautriche-se-souleve-contre-la-dictature-sanitaire

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Thank you for this. Daily Skeptic needs to get its skates on regarding reporting Austria. The fate of Europe is in the balance: 1683/2021.

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

No problem BS665.. I live in France but am in YUK at the moment. My French colleagues who are watching the situation keep me informed..

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

“The police and the army refuse to make controls for the sanitary pass under the name of ‘liberty and human dignity’. They will join a large protest against the mandatory lockdown of the non vaccinated on the 20th November in Vienna”Infodujour.fr

Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Bravo! There is hope..

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

so the vaccines neither protect or stop transmission. but because those who do not take it have no obedience pass, they must be punished.
This is house arrest. no crime has been committed. what is the next level to be set against these people who have done nothing wrong.
starvation. ghettos? camps?perhaps enforced medical experimentation, and finally for those that will not give up their bodies state mandated death.
so much for Italians who were rescued from a tyrant, in the second world war, so much for the country that hosts the pope the head of the Catholic Church.
Where are the defenders of people who have done nothing wrong. These evil politicians who are calling for the start of a new holocaust. where is our government in the condemnation of such wickedness and cruelty against perfectly decent citizens who just don’t want to take an ineffective unlicensed product. What are these politicians going to demand of the obedient next?
we are all in danger now

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

We are. The ‘half-vaxxed’ and ‘ex-vaxxed’ are in our boat now, what with boosters. As a practising Catholic I am outraged by this pope’s cowardice and spinelessness.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

You should try Arch-covidian-bishop Dustbin Jellybaby. Now there is a true enemy of God. The sort that gets shovelled into Hell in every medieval picture of that location,

Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Unfortunately some Italians, Renzi and Fedriga in this case, will accept fascism as a price worth paying for their brown envelopes

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

There is no “harsher” punishment required. The idea is to keep the unvaccinated out of circulation as long as the hospitals are overburdened. And if all you can do is sit in your home and post bs online, that public health goal has already been achieved. “Thank you for cooperating.”

sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago

Cue all the splinters from scratching their heads when positives still come after locking up the disgusting.

helenf
helenf
4 years ago

And they called those of us who predicted medical apartheid “conspiracy theorists”. Now they say, of course it makes sense to discriminate against the dirty unvaxed! (Just as James Corbett predicted). Who cares what the evidence says, they deserve to be treated as subhumans because our honourable governments say so, and that’s good enough for me!

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

They are undoubtedly culpable. But ‘the people’ have also been systematically manipulated and lied to. So their leaders and the cowards in parliament will pay a heavy price when the reckoning comes.

Will
Will
4 years ago

Thank God for Wellington and Nelson.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Pity they are not around today.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’d rather a Napoleon, personally. We need (a) revolutionary leader(s), not stooges of the status-quo.

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

They’re off again aren’t they. 76 years after they were put down they have come back like the troublesome and authoritarian tyrants they are. Germany, Austria, Italy, what a surprise – the usual suspects.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago

YouTube and ‘schindlers list euthanasia’ if you want to see how the Germans used to make more hospital bed space available. I won’t post the link directly as it’s a bit ‘raw’ – but I do think people need waking up and to take the next protests seriously.
Before Patel makes protests illegal.

I find it shocking, but not surprising, that the Germans are still ‘at it’.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago

Either it’s really a globalist plot or none of these idiots can read. Unvaxxed can catch and pass on covid and their viral load is just as high.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

The viral load may be “just as high”, but the infectiousness does not seem to be:

The incidence among the unvaxxed is at the moment 20x higher than among the vaxxed in Germany. Even if you assume that the vaxxed are not getting tested as much, it is a little bit too much of a difference to disregard it as purely accidental.

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Maybe, but what about the unvaxxed and recovered?
No evidence anywhere of these unfortunate souls passing the deadly disease on.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

The recovered are treated similarly to vaccinated in Germany (except that for some strange reason they only have a free pass for 6 months – which I think is just indicative that the vaccinated will soon cease to be classified as such). The recovered do not appear to cause much problem for hospitals, but they are still a minority compared to the non-infected unvaccinated, and therefore largely rrelevant.

Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

How does that square with the UK data showing rate of infection higher in the vaccinated??

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I don’t know – you tell me. Why do some countries experience lots of infections and others not so many?

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

That has no relationship to figures from everywhere else we look. Sounds well sus

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

That’s only because you are only looking at the outliers (where you’re told to look by your like-minded pals).

Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Source…?

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

His mum

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

See my response to isobar above.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

better carry on with the clear out then of these others
just like Hitler did with the Jews
I mean 2 years almost of lockdown and the cold is still here. if we burn all the unvaccinated just like they did the witches and the catholics the Gods will be appeased and all the good people can get on with their lives.

isobar
isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Evidence please!

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

See “7-Tage-Inzidenz der geimpften und der nicht (vollständig) geimpften Bevölkerung in Sachsen” on https://www.coronavirus.sachsen.de/infektionsfaelle-in-sachsen-4151.html

Incidence among unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated: 1823/100K
Incidence among vaccinated: 64/100K

Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Your sweeping statement is derived from what appears to be one solitary 7-day report relating to a state of just 4 million people, published by a government-funded source.

And there was me thinking you might be cherry picking….

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Freedom is ultimately more important than a piddling disease.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Playskool Unveils Vaccinate Me Elmo Doll

Do you want your kid vaccinated? Then get the Vaccinate Me Elmo Doll and terrify your kid to a safer tomorrow

Sick!

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Peppa squeals like a pig!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

The sequel: Peppa get’s eaten for breakfast following heart failure

paul smith
paul smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

No, just some of the best satire available, today – long live the Babylon Bee!

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  paul smith

There is absolutely nothing funny about the last 20 months.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

On the contrary, it’s all the biggest joke ever played on humanity.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I expect a lot of the posters on this site haven’t been affected much. There needs to be a bit of humour in everything to relieve the tension, but I agree with you in that this whole situation has not been taken seriously enough with sing-songs on protests, and pissing about with on-line petitions (none of which will even be read).
I’ve seen videos of people on the protests and think to myself, they are so happy, it’s all smiles, is it really a protest or just a ‘get-together’ on a Saturday, a day out in London?
It has been pointed out to me that this sort of thing is good for the morale of The Resistance, and that’s true – but when I see Matt Hancock running through London and no-one throwing bricks at him, I can see that few are really as angry as they would be if they had had their homes taken away from them, lost their jobs, run out of money, cold and hungry and without being able to even have decent clothes. I think people are still just too comfortable.

isobar
isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I agree, where is the uproar and where is the outrage. If we don’t get to that stage soon it might well be too late!

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

The British are pretty slow to anger, and I tend to think the game being played by the YUK government is most definitely a sly slow boiling of the frog. There’s a sense of a phony war.

I’ve no doubt at all what’s going on abroad is being closely monitored by the fat controllers here. If and when draconian measures are introduced, its then you’ll see a shift in mood I think.

The Aussies have only just started to rise up, and its taken that ‘enough is enough’ moment to get there..

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

videos of people on the protests and think to myself, they are so happy, it’s all smiles, is it really a protest or just a ‘get-together’ on a Saturday

That has not escaped my attention, even the opposition to this shit haven’t taken it seriously, a carnival atmosphere pleading our oppressors to be nicer has never worked & never will. I agree, I think the majority of people actually enjoyed lockdown. There’s nowhere near enough anger.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Elmo sure looks like his air supply has long run out.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Terrible! Elmo needs TWO or more masks.

Plus a 6 month subscription to new jabs.

A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago

The creep of totalitarianism moves through state by state. How long before it reaches old Blighty. I’ll break every rule they try out on me if/when it gets here. Let’s see if Boris and his filthy goon squad have the nuts to try this sheite out here.

if he does try it we must move in every single one of us who refuse to be jabbed by this useless and dangerous P.O.S injection, along with, I hope the others who have woken up to this insanity.

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

How can people be so dumb as to think its the unvaxxinated who are causing the problem?

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Dare I say ask the Jews

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

or the blacks or the catholics or the women who were called witches
we haven’t moved on from the dark ages have we

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Just check who is warming the bed in the ICU ward.
But you really don’t wish to know, do you?

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You’re very convincing.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Keep answering!

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

I’d love to know. Please do tell.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

As of latest reports for Germany, 70% of the ICU covid patients are unvaccinated and in a few lands, more than 10% of ICU beds are occupied by covid patients overall. Given that ICU normally operates near capacity, this is enough for some hospitals to be unable to admit new patients. What else do you need to know?

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

So given that we know this piece of sht virus literally affects nobody BUT those with co-morbidities and of old age the government spent 2 years vaccinating who exactly? Clearly not those in need. Instead they’ve spent the past 6 months coercing parents and targeting young children. Is that it????
So those who have never taken up a single hospital bed in their healthy lives and who have the slightest intelligence to realize that this injection does FCK all are the ones who have to pay?
So I’m the one people have to avoid as I might “spread” the virus. Ffs

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Those in need were of course prioritized, but many rejected the offer based on bollocks such as regularly published through this site. Now they are warming the ICU beds – certainly not because the the kids took away their vaccines.

I am not at all in favor of vaccinating kids – which I believe is an opportunistic scam going on along with the really sensible vaccination of vulnerable groups. That’s what makes this whole situation such a shitshow – it’s not black and white, and anyone who claims so and is committed to taking “sides” is a simpleton.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago

5 more for the list

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Yep.
I sit by the river……

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

This is going to make your blood boil.

Considerations regarding consent in vaccinating children and adolescents between 6 and 17 years old

In summary, the WHO are saying sending your children to school is implied consent for vaccination.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Not home-schooling is the next thing to child abuse.

Just a pity you can’t take saving to the LEA you make home-schooling.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

Signori Dicci, Nobi, Fuli, Canto, Bestiali

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

In 2019 during the run-up to the Trump election I thought to myself, politicians couldn’t be more divisive. How wrong was I.

It’s like putting a syringe of pfizer-poison on a table in front of someone & putting a gun to their heads & saying it’s your choice, it’s not forcing someone at all is it, FFS! It’s going to end in tears, when the judicial system fails to act logically (it will) & facilitates this nonsense I just know I’m going to be really disappointed in people’s response, cucks & serfs all of em.

Note it is socialists at the top of the queue pushing this totally illogical unscientific utterly futile idiocy. This only demonstrates how worthless formal education has become.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Ya know, psychiatric care is full of people who are absolutely certain that they have the world sorted out and everyone else besides them is acting crazy. Just something to ponder.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You’re the one pushing for ‘vaccines’ that don’t work. Who’s the crazy?

helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You clearly know little about psychiatric care.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You sound like you speak from personal experience, also something for me to ponder.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

But they are often correct.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago

Let’s be clear, this so-called locking down of the “unvaccinated” has nothing to do with the unvaccinated and is just a preemptive strike to increase success probability for the (recurring) booster campaign. Once an example has been made by the regime of the unvaccinated, nobody of the “still vaccinated” is supposed to dare join their ranks.

Therefore it does not matter that there are very few “unvaccinated” today, the signal is toward the entire society.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Only dickheads wont join our ranks

helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Yes it probably does has something to do with increasing the success of the booster campaign. But it also absolutely does have something to do with the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated = non-compliant = more difficult to control and more likely to question and resist other dictates. Anyone who resists needs to be forced to comply or be crushed, as they pose a threat to TPTB.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

you are correct it’s all about obedience they cannot have people who question or challenge as they have a lot more to do to introduce a new world order

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

There is not really that much “obedience” involved in taking an injection or two (even an injection every 6 months). After all, you can still remain “disobedient” to everything else after getting jabbed (and/or) as soon as the hospitalization rates become so low that they don’t cause any clogging of the hospitals. If the hospitals were not getting full, THEN we could focus on all the sinister motivations (and there’s surely quite a few to keep an eye on, especially when it comes to economic and geopolitical interests). But since the hospitals ARE getting full, it is a little bit silly, isn’t it?

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Build more hospitals then. Instead of giving all the money to Serco via test & Trace.
Funny how the Nightingale hospitals were all knocked down…!

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Of course, let’s quickly build more hospitals. After all, it’s not a problem to get a new hospital built within 2 weeks, the Chinese have shown us how it’s done, haven’t they? Also train all the missing staff in the same period. Not a problem at all, you’ve cracked the case, Sherlock.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Yes, build more expensive hospitals and keep idle staff waiting for morons like you who do not like to get a cheap effective vaccine. Makes full sense. Nobel prize in health care economy.

helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Hospitals may be getting full, but it sure ain’t from covid.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

No, certainly not from covid, just from not being able to catch breath unless extra oxygen is provided. It’s certainly not from covid, though. Currently over 10% of ICU in a few German lands with these unexplainable symptoms, trending upwards. But let’s all agree it’s not covid and nothing needs to be done about it.

helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

over 10%? Interesting. And what about the rest?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

The rest are “other cases” who frequent hospitals every winter. In contrast to the extra-on-top (and growing) 10%, the 90% are a stable, predictable variety – which is why hospital capacities are what they are.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

I don’t care if they’re full.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

That’s (they think) you need to be isolated – because you don’t care.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Hospitals are full every day with obese people (there is no condition that forces you to eat sh!t) who are going through angioplasty and heart surgery. A&Es are full every night with individuals who chose to drink too much that night. You should apartheid them too by that logic.
Denial is a very powerful force.
You took the bait, live with it
I just recovered from this piece of sht virus and I didn’t even take a day off work.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Always the same tired arguments. Obese people don’t infect others with obesity.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

So you still believe that the vaccinated don’t spread the virus. My my you really are in denial.. .
I now have full natural immunity. Can I spread the virus rayc?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

No, I believe the vaccinated are causing less problems for the hospitals, from catching an infectious disease. Sheesh, it really feels like talking to 5 year olds sometimes.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You’re flipping from justifying lockdowns because of the unvaxxed spreading vs the unvaxxed taking up beds because of suffered symptoms. Which one is it? If it’s the latter then my previous comment still applies. Lock down the obese and the drunks too then.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

No, your comment does not apply – if only because an obese person and an alcoholic cannot become normal weight and sober by taking a simple injection (if what you are insinuating is that the obese/drunks are more susceptible to covid).

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

So they’ve made it such that the vaccine is the only thing that can stop me from being hospitalised. Not a single campaign on being healthy, taking vitamins and ahem, taking existing prophylaxis to stop people from ending up in hospital. And yes, you get a FREE BURGER if you take it. So get obese at the same time why not. Great health policy.
This is about passports… they want people like myself eliminated to push their agenda rayc.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Who is “they”? And yes, the vaccine is the best, most effective prevention we know of today. You wouldn’t be very happy with “them” if “they” pumped you with some shitty vitamins and other quackery, and then you got severely ill from covid anyway, would you?

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

And I will repeat here. For 6 months plus governments have targeted children to get vaccinated. I had a colleague at 40+ who was denied a Pfizer vaccine because “they were reserved for the young”. I kid you not. Therefore we are here today because of failed policy.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

First time I hear of any such incident. Maybe you should go to the press with it.

Or do you mean he was offered a DIFFERENT vaccine, but insisted on getting Pfizer because he liked it more? Well, if so, you don’t need to go anywhere – the fault is all his own in that case.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

He was offered a different one yes. But why does that matter? Why reserve their claimed most effective vaccine for the lowest risk group?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Because the vaccines were short in supply, and the other vaccine (which he refused) had a worse risk profile for the younger group. I thought both facts were well understood at that time, but there you go.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Again you’re missing the point. The world is dying from a virus, you must save humanity. You must save those most at risk. Here’s a fact for you. The young dont need a vaccine, period. Not moderna, not Pfizer, not anything. But sorry mister risky group guy, we know you specifically do have a non zero risk of adversely being impacted by COVID but we’ve reserved the vaccine for a group that doesn’t need it.
Passports

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

“You can still get a different vaccine we have reserved for you, risky guy.”
“No, thanks, I won’t take it, and complain about how cruel you were to me and how illogical the world is.”

BTW, there are some young people (with a suppressed immune system) who are still at risk and could have used your risky guy’s Pfizer vaccine.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Why don’t you just p1ss off? You are a real pain in the gluteus maximus.

masksniffer22
masksniffer22
4 years ago

It’ll never happen here 🇬🇧

Free Lemming
Free Lemming
4 years ago
Reply to  masksniffer22

With all due respect, that’s an incredibly naive opinion. I’m 95% sure it’s only time that is the variable.

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

https://dontbetheirfool.com/documents/Roadmap%20NWO%20leaked%20bij%20Canadian%20official-the%20Canadian%20Report.pdf

Anyone remember the Canadian report, leaked over a year ago?

It looks to me as if they are following it to a T.

We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized. 

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  masksniffer22

Bollox.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  masksniffer22

I think this was a joke.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

not funny

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  masksniffer22

It already has.

The regions in the UK which have brought in vaxx passports for things like hospitality, are effectively saying that the unvaxxed are excluded.

I cannot now visit a cafe, restaurant, pub or any cinema or theatre. I am locked out of all of those things – doesn’t leave much left. And once they “bring them in” then they reserve the right to “extend their application” to other things.

In short order will I soon be banned from using public transport, accessing public services, shops???

How much more locked down as an unjabbed person can I be?

And all the while totally ignoring the fact of my natural immunity, acquired when I caught and recovered from covid19, the same natural immunity which trumps the immunity conferred by a jab, which doesn’t have to be “renewed” with a booster every 5 months and which copes with any and all variants.

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