Across the United States, nurses and other healthcare workers are being fired for not getting vaccinated. Is there any better illustration of the folly of our public health establishment?
These nurses have served on the frontline for more than eighteen months, helping to treat Covid patients day after day, while most of the people demanding vaccine mandates were sitting at home on their laptops.
“Thanks for all your hard work. Oh, you don’t want to get the vaccine? Well in that case, sayonara.” In addition to being mean-spirited, the policy of firing unvaccinated healthcare workers doesn’t really make any practical sense. And that’s putting it charitably.
A large percentage of frontline healthcare workers have already been infected. This means the protection they have against reinfection is actually better than what the vaccines provide.
I reviewed some of the evidence in a recent post. But don’t take my word for it. New undercover footage shows Pfizer scientists saying that natural immunity is “probably” better than immunity from the vaccines.
As I mentioned before, this doesn’t mean that nobody stands to benefit from vaccination. But it does undermine the case for making those who’ve already been infected get the jab. Their natural immunity works just fine.
This point has been made eloquently by the Great Barrington author Martin Kulldorff. In a recent article, he argued that hospitals “should hire, not fire, nurses with natural immunity”. Yet within a matter of hours, Kulldorff’s article had been censored by LinkedIn. (Such petty interference in the scientific debate is now routine on social media.)
So there’s absolutely no case for firing healthcare workers who have natural immunity. What about those who haven’t been previously infected?
Even here, the case for mandates is weak at best. We know that vaccine-induced immunity against infection wanes over time. Six months after vaccination, you’re not that much less likely to become infected than someone who’s never been vaccinated.
This means that mandating vaccines for healthcare workers is no guarantee of safety. If there’s a ward full of vulnerable patients, ensuring that every nurse is vaccinated won’t necessarily prevent someone from catching Covid, and then spreading it to the rest.
The only surefire way of protecting vulnerable patients is testing everyone before they go into the ward. Positive test? Well, you’ll have to stay at home or work in another part of the hospital for the next few weeks.
There are also the rights of workers themselves to consider. If the vaccines had no side effects and offered lasting protection against infection, the case for mandates would be strong. But the vaccines do have side effects (albeit rare ones) and they don’t provide lasting protection against infection.
As Oxford philosopher Julian Savulescu argues, autonomy is a core principle of medical ethics, so any policy that violates autonomy (such as mandatory vaccination) can only be justified if it confers substantial third-party benefits. Yet it’s not clear that Covid vaccines do confer such benefits.
What’s more, getting vaccinated isn’t the only way to reduce one’s risk of infection. Avoiding large gatherings is another. Should hospitals be able to require that their staff avoid large gatherings, so as to reduce the risk of infection even further? Most of us would say “no” because it violates individual autonomy.
Of course, keeping Covid out of high-risk hospital wards is an important goal. And although mandatory vaccination is no guarantee of safety, it probably does have some effect, at least for the first few months.
Surely there’s a workaround for nurses who opt against vaccination? For example, they could be tested three times a week until they acquire natural immunity. The costs of such testing could even be deducted from their pay checks (although given the number of unused tests lying around, I don’t see the need).
Firing healthcare workers who haven’t been infected is mean-spirited and unnecessary. Firing those who have been infected makes no sense at all. Never mind vaccine mandates; we need mandatory training for bureaucrats to make them understand natural immunity.
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This to me is at the heart of our problems.
After establishing that vaccine effectiveness is virtually nil after 6 months (Israel’s actions are there for every one to see as proof), there is this pandering to the capriciousness and insanity of these vaccine fundamentalists.
The demands of these vaccine lunatics are absurd and immoral, but ok, let’s try to meet them half way and offer a compromise – let’s shove PCR sticks up these nurses three times a week. Just to appease the vaxx taliban.
Enough with the reasonableness and compromising. Time to push back and call out the antics of these vaxx lunatics for what they are; irrational, heartless fanatics.
If anyone should still be tested, it’s the vaxxed, whether nurses or anyone else.
Only they are the asymptomatic infectious and thereby the invisible and dangerous spreaders.
An unvaxxed person can prevent just that by staying at home when feeling sick.
But testing as done is of course also useless, at least as long as it’s done unstandardized and fraudulently, and totally illegal as long as it’s performed invasively.
There is absolutely no medical reason for any different treatment of the vaxxed and the unvaxxed, whether after 6 months or 6 days, whether in hospitals, care homes, for quarantines, self-Isolation or anything else.
This is just purely political, deliberately evil and totally wrong.
Totally agree, we know the IFR of Covid is the same as flu, ( we knew this a LONG time ago, thank you John Ioannidis.) when have we ever tested anyone for that, never mind three times a week!?
The acceptance that somehow this is any different to an ordinary Coronaviruses is where we are….watching people hardly raise their voice against experimentation on children, harm being caused on a massive scale, former democratic countries falling to medical terrorism from their own Governments…our own included.
Fanaticism indeed.
Perhaps clotshot free nurses could nurse those who’ve opted to dodge clot shots?
Not absurd, capricious, or lunatic, absolutely immoral, because they know EXACTLY what they are doing.
I was about to comment on this paragraph too. The PCR tests are junk. If someone isn’t ill that means they’re not ill – simple. “Asymptomatic infection” is the lie that just keeps on being parroted.
Antibody tests are the answer. You know – those tests the government banned ‘because if we knew we’d had it we might stop wearing the masks’?
In reality, of course, they banned them because if we knew we’d had it we’d refuse the unnecessary vaccine, and the obscenely greedy investors would lose £billions.
It must have made my brother feel warm inside during the four seizures he had after his jab, to know that his suffering had contributed to the limitless wealth of well, we know who they are don’t we?
Hostility to this murderous scam is growing, and the courts are going to be jammed for years with various class actions. It won’t be long now. We need to invest in more jails – someone tell Gates about this exciting new investment opportunity!
Do you really think ‘courts’ will remain uncorrupted and unbiased if ever it should come to this?
Ah yes the “Asymptomatic infection” lie.. got me into a heated argument with a friend who is a teacher.. she insisted I get my head out of my arse and face reality, people are dying.. and this woman is teaching impressionable teenagers.. Beam me up Bill..
Time to bang those saucepans for those NHS heroes who’ve been sacked.
Time for an extremely noisy “rough musicking” sessions outside each and everyone of those minister’s houses in the dead of night, all night, EVERY night! They’ve been clapping for their sacking since day one – it was always the plan, the b@stards!
It is a disgrace, and all the more so because it is vindictively and politically motivated.
It’s all about maintaining the political positions at the heart of the panic, retroactively justifying the panic, and punishing dissenters:
Humanity is not a concern for the people pushing these policies, nor is reasonableness a feature.
I find it hard to believe that any frontline health workers did not catch and recover from the coofs in 2020, long before Our Vaccines were ever available.
The only thing more (literally) incredible is that there were essentially no influenza cases at all last Winter.
As I have said before, I believe that most of the second peak of the so-called winter wave was actually flu. If you take away the average of the winter flu outbreak from last winter’s wave you are left with a more or less classic Gaussian curve centred around the start of December. This was the remainder of the first wave of Covid who were prevented from being infected by the first lock-down.
We are told that nhs workers were in short supply due to covid, but we were never told that shop workers were.
I am not sure. Lots of people may have cross immunity from other coronaviruses. People have shared the marital bed with an infected spouse and failed to catch it. Only 17% of those on the Diamond Princess caught it.
I’ve never caught it, and was taking crowded tubes through Feb-Mar 2020 and have never distanced or worn masks etc….
My husband and children haven’t had it either.
I suspect that most people who’ve had it don’t know they’ve had it.
Antibody testing could end this fiasco in a matter of weeks – for good. (Until, of course, next virus comes along)
So, makes you wonder why, rather than endless mask mandating and vaccine passports, track and trace and screens and all the other corona paraphernalia, not to mention the seemingly endless rounds of proposed jabbing that are in store, TPTB don’t go for it????
Answers on a postcard please…
The Diamond Princess is a very accurate representation of infections/recovery, etc. That 17 per cent is the figure quoted now as the number likely to contract it within a household. It was these DP figures that actually woke me up to the manipulation that was being used.
They’re now talking about bringing in lockdowns and the rest because the measures were so successful in almost eradicating flu in 2020…… and yet, apparently, it was people’s failure to comply with the restrictions that caused the 2nd covid wave. And the majority of people seem to believe this shit! The ‘Doublethink’ indoctrination programme has been a massive success.
It was stated openly and categorically in September 2020 that henceforth flu numbers would be counted with ‘covid’ numbers. It was obvious why.
I only wish I’d kept the link.
I would be interested to know what people make of the ZOE numbers on natural immunity. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/do-i-need-a-covid-vaccine-if-ive-had-covid They say previous infection was only 65% protective in the delta outbreak unless combined with a vax. Previous reports on natural immunity such as the Cleveland Clinic study did not include the delta outbreak. Their sample population is these days very skewed towards vaxxed; I have heard that many unvaxxed quit the study after Tim Spector switched from a somewhat sceptical viewpoint to advocating child vaccination. ZOE’s numbers for vax efficacy are also very flattering, with only gentle declines in efficacy observed.
His data has to be redundant now. Awash with all sorts of Covid that’s not Covid but only ZOE Covid.
His numbers for estimated total vaccinated versus unvaccinated infections are also surprising, with absolute numbers much higher for the unvaccinated.
ZOE is another propaganda exercise to support the Covid narrative. Questionable data provided by a turnip. Wonder where the funding comes from?
Bupa offer an antibody test but the info states “Whilst the Bupa COVID-19 antibody test can show if you have detectable antibodies as a result of having had COVID-19 infection, it will not show antibodies produced in response to vaccinations currently given in the UK, and should not be used for this purpose.” .
That’s fine, it just means that it’s a test for antibodies to nucleocapsid proteins, which is good if you actually want to know if you had COVID. The vaccines elicit antibodies to spike proteins which require a different (and these days, much more common) test.
Would natural antibodies give lifetime immunity as some articles suggest, like a cold, where maybe a different strain/variant can affect you, but most times not.
They could be reasonably expected to do that yes. As I mentioned above, the ZOE study claims that natural immunity has only been 65% effective against the delta variant, and they say that vax was more effective, although it would be interesting to know more details of how they arrived at those numbers.
Indeed and the reasons why natural immunity is devalued is obvious
There is a good piece by Julius Ruechel on natural immunity and also by someone else, who thinks that it reduces a bit over 2 years, then you’ll get infected mildly again, recharging it and so on.
What Noah and others are also missing is that it’s not just those who had a positive PCR test who have immunity and should then be exempted, but above all the vast majority of people who have strong immune systems, which the gene therapies then destroy (on purpose?!) and T cell immunity, as well as a immunity acquired through asymptomatic infection and unconfirmed by a fraudulent PCR test. Their immunity is likely much better and longer lasting than that of those tested and vaxxed and they make up the vast majority of the population- at least before the gene therapy administration crime began and they succumbed to it.
“There is a good piece by Julius Ruechel on natural immunity and also by someone else, who thinks that it reduces a bit over 2 years, then you’ll get infected mildly again, recharging it and so on.”
Which for the majority of the population would not only be perfect – and natural – but would be far superior and safer to anything offered by a jab.
That being the case I think the conclusion which follows is obvious.
The NHS Antibody test seems to check for more antibody types including those from vaccination. The email I got from my antibody test said this:
I haven’t been vaccinated, so they’re basically admitting that natural infection gives a wider immune response.
Mind you it may be difficult to find many “nurses who’ve worked through the pandemic”! Easier than with teachers though.
The whole situation is induced by the concept of asymptomatic infection, and I believe there is no actual evidence for its existence on any significant scale. It is based on anecdote dressed up as science and is counter-intuitive, given the advice about all other diseases. For colds and flu we ask people to stay at home and not go coughing and sneezing on everyone. If they have not got symptoms no-one knows they have any illness.
Covid is nothing out of the ordinary, it is the government that has created its special status.
Governments worldwide.
If we tested people for cold viruses using PCR tests we’d all be in permanent quarantine.
The substance of the article has some merit, the tone is lamentable. To suggest that sacking people who refuse to be injected is “mean spirited” suggests that the author is divorced from real world economics.
How would an employee who relies on their job to pay a mortgage cope? A single parent? A car loan to pay and no other income?
What about the long-servers who do not see an option to change careers?
These people are being forced to make a life changing decision on the basis of a threat which is “mean spirited?” A threat which could be terminal if the decision taken is wrong and the decision to be injected will always be wrong.
The author needs to get a grip.
As has been stated by many before, if this was really a pandemic, as serious as they make out, you would not be threatening to sack health care workers. You’d surely need all the help you could get and probably wouldn’t care what their vaccination status was!
Now we have the biggest flu vaccine launch in the nhs history. Whereas some talk about de population
We know that vaccine-induced immunity against infection wanes over time. ‘ Didn’t the manufacturers say it doesn’t give immunity
Indeed – I’m disheartened by writers who perpetuate this falsehood. The manufacturers have never claimed that their jabs confer immunity – merely that they mitigate symptoms! And even that claim is debatable!
Over the last 18 months, I’ve lost 6 close family friends to a combination of non-covid deaths and suicide. Prior to the scam, the last time someone close to me died was my Nanna around 20 years ago.
During the scam last year, I myself suffered misdiagnosed shingles and witnessed the totally empty hospitals when they were supposedly full to breaking point. The staff appeared to be in holiday mode, chatting amongst themselves whilst patients sat waiting for hours to be dealt with.
House windows of every moron in the UK had a “Thank You” NHS rainbow and they banged their pots and pans, played loud music and sent fireworks off to show their community-spirited adoration of NHS staff – because Pfeffel told them to.
There has never been a more unfit time to call the NHS heroic. The country has effectively been denied medical assistance for 18 months. Countless people have died because of this and people will continue to die because illnesses will go undiagnosed due to ‘virtual appointments’, fear of going to the doctors in person, or refusal to wear a mask and so refusing to go to appointments. Then there’s the lack of blood tests…
The fact NHS staff are amongst the first to be made to ‘vaccinate’ or be fired is standard business for totalitarian regimes. They always dispose of Useful Idiots first.
However, this is primarily about depopulation. The government has gone straight for national jugular by effectively destroying our health service. And the same idiotic fools who championed the NHS with their rainbows, pots and pans, will be the same people who are now agreeing that NHS staff should be jabbed or sacked.
It’s no wonder that Pfeffel The Fat Fuk made gags about locking down the public in his conference speech, knowing full well that the UK public have been dumbed down to an idiocracy.
You don’t actually have to be stupid to be taken in by the scam, just insufficiently aware. The Asch conformity experiments were done with students at a good university in the 1950s when university education still meant something, yet 75% of them were unable to consistently give the correct answer to a really basic perception test when surrounded by confederates giving false answers. The issues around COVID are far less transparent than the really basic perception test that those students failed.
I know. I lost my Dad just recently, and two other more distant family members plus a friend in the last year. NONE had any covid-related problems, ALL were caused by the lockdown and and inability to access the full healthcare that they needed. I have an autoimmune condition but have been unable to see a consultant for two years. But I’ve received a barrage of texts and letters inviting me to get jabbed – plenty of time, money and space for that! How people are STILL not seeing the depth of this very dark, sinister agenda is beyond me now.
And, of course, none of those at the top of the heap will suffer in any medical sense. They have their private hospitals, doctors on call for personal visits, medical procedures on demand – all paid for with public money. They don’t care about the plight of the proletariat.
“Never mind vaccine mandates; we need mandatory training for bureaucrats to make them understand natural immunity.”
I don’t think understanding is the issue. It’s human weaknesses like fear, greed, cowardice, arrogance, vanity, lust for power.
..”and of these, FEAR is the greatest”
Zippedy Dooh Da!
Polyanna Carl – absolutely right on the blindingly obvious ethical issues, but still peddling unsubstantiated optimism about the ‘vaccines’ –
“…the vaccines do have side effects (albeit rare ones)” (How rare is ‘rare’, and what proportion is recorded?)
“… getting vaccinated isn’t the only way to reduce one’s risk of infection” (… and how much reduction is that, given the number of double-vaccinated that are infected?)
“…this doesn’t mean that nobody stands to benefit from vaccination.” (No – but it doesn’t mean that anybody stands to benefit, either)
“Pfizer scientists saying that natural immunity is “probably” better than immunity from the vaccines.” (Wow! We really needed that assurance!)
NHS workers clearly represent the ‘low-hanging fruit’ as far as the despots are concerned. Then they’ll move on to government workers of all kinds, then public-facing professions etc etc. Quite predictable. I’m wondering though if national governments were given targets by their globalist overlords and because we’ve hit 80%+ as a nation, they don’t need to apply much more pressure. They do of course need a fairly sizeable control group to persecute and other (if you subscribe to the divide and conquer interpretation like I do).
…or 80% is necessary for adequate depopulation (if you subscribe to that interpretation)
https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html
Everyone concerned by what lies ahead for us needs to look at this courageous talk by Peter McCullough, who confronts with truth, the lies and deceptions used against the population by their governments
“Surely there’s a workaround for nurses who opt against vaccination?” Well, the workaround is for everyone to accept the truth – covid is unexceptional and no exceptional measures are required or desirable in dealing with it.
Well as a Nurse I just don’t get booked anymore because of my stand.Non of my Colleagues never expressed concerns or doubts and silently allowed District Nurses to creep into the care homes with that witches brew and watched as vulnerable Elderly got jacked up.As far as I am concerned sack the whole fucking lot!Should have pushed back over a year ago too late so take your poison or fuck off.
Virtue signalling much?
Surely there’s a workaround for nurses who opt against vaccination? For example, they could be tested three times a week until they acquire natural immunity.
I have a much better idea: Clearly, we need to offer some sacrifice to the mighty Sars-CoV2 to placate his anger to make him stop sending us disease. But people with a higher societal standing than mere nurses would surely make better sacrifices as our humble community would then voluntarily accept greater losses. Therefore, I propose that every SAGE member is tested three times per week per unvaccinated nurse until they either die or COVID ceases to be an issue due to Sars-CoV2’s merciful light again shining on us.
I bet this would end the pandemic quickly.
I’m also interested in the rates of “natural immunity” among U.S. college and professional athletes, who have been tested more often than probably any other group (up to four times a week last year). Somehow, until yesterday, I missed this story from last May that gives the actual percentage of athletes who did “test positive.”
The story below focusses on about 5,000 athletes in the Big 10 athletic league (which consists of student athletes at 12 well-known colleges including Michigan and Ohio State). From March 2020 until some point in December, all athletes on all Big 10 teams (male and female) had to be tested.
From this story, we learn that 30.4 percent of these athletes actually tested positive in this roughly 8 month time span.
But this testing regimen stopped in mid-December 2020 (when the athletes’ academic semesters had ended). So we don’t know how many other athletes continued to test positive in subsequent months. These months would have included half of December, plus January 2021 and February 2021 (months including the major spike of “cases” around the world).
It is therefore reasonable to assume that by, say, this past June, more than 50 percent of athletes at these colleges had already tested positive for COVID.
In the last months the big story/push has been to get all athletes vaccinated. This coercion has apparently worked as most schools now have vaccination rates around 90 percent.
What hasn’t been reported is the likely fact that more than 50 percent of these athletes had already had the virus and thus did not even need the vaccine.
It would seem to me that about 2,500 athletes in one athletic conference have documented proof (via testing results from their athletic departments) that they have already been infected.
This little-reported fact may come up again if we see a rash of myocarditis cases caused by vaccination. Thousands of these athletes can show they didn’t need this vaccine and officials who made them get these vaccines anyway knew this.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/27/big-ten-covid-19-myocarditis-study
I would also guess that at least 50 percent of health care workers have had the virus by now. Just like in athletic testing protocols, many of these hospitals must know this because they were also testing on a routine basis. That is, administrators KNOW who has immunity from prior infection – and they are still demanding 100 percent vaccination.
Sure. Cos it Is Not About The Virus.
There’s no point in writing articles like this.
They’re being completely upfront.
The thing is, there was never pandemic, was there?
First they were ‘heroes’, and the sheep clapped weekly… now the ‘heroes’ are fired because they don’t fit the narrative anymore.
I hope this opens the eyes of those who are still asleep!!!
It would be cheaper for the NHS to roll out T cell test for all workers
Pharma won’t make any bank of it tho
Its all part of the depopulation plan. Leave hospitals short staffed, more will die. No ethics involved. Pure genocide.
Exactly.. just another piece in the jigsaw planned decades ago.. collapse health services for the great unwashed..
Hard to beleive that the author stated that side effects are “rare”. What an ill informed statement as a quick look at the Yellow Card system will show you and it is estimated that the number are on there are around 10% of the actual figures.
As Jimmy Dore says, anyone criticising a health care worker for not taking the vaccine should be asked “if you went to a restaurant and staff members said “well you can eat the food if you want, but i wouldn’t eat it”, would you eat the food?
They aren’t being sacked for health reasons. They’re being sacked for initially standing up to the coercion and then not following Orders.
I suspect one of the primary reasons for firing “unvaccinated” healthcare workers (or any worker, regardless of profession) is about ensuring you’ve got a compliant workforce. In the “new normal” totalitarian dictatorship, you don’t want workers who think for themselves, question the official narrative, have the potential to influence others, or stand in the way of other dictates being carried out. Basically, they need to get rid of and discredit any and all dissenters. This is not about protecting the public – that is just a smokescreen. As many of us have been saying for a long time, this isn’t about a virus. Do not make it easy for them. Do not comply.
And SAY NO TO TESTING.
When and until the vaxxed no longer contract and spread the disease they have been vaxxed against, perhaps mandatory vaxx should be considered. However, it doesn’t look promising this will ever happen with the current experimental biologicals. Serious adverse events and deaths post vaxx a serious concern CDC VAERS.
“If there’s a ward full of vulnerable patients, ensuring that every nurse is vaccinated won’t necessarily prevent someone from catching Covid, and then spreading it to the rest.”
Vaccinated are spreaders. This has been acknowledged even by the idiots in charge FFS. I hear no concerns about these ‘spreaders’ working amongst the vulnerable. The naturally immune would be the best candidates for looking after the vulnerable… Wouldn’t they?
I feel I must introduce BOB again. He really is a badass!