Nicola Sturgeon faces criticism from opposition parties and business leaders on her plans to force ‘large venues’ to check vaccine passports. The Scottish Liberal Democrat leader says his party is “fundamentally opposed” to vaccine passports and the Chair of the Night Time Industries Association Scotland says the plans are “completely incoherent”. But will this be enough? Guardian has more.
John Swinney, Deputy First Minister, had previously described passports as “the wrong way to go”, while the Scottish Greens – who last week entered a power-sharing agreement with the Scottish Government – described them as “discriminatory”.
Douglas Ross, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, told the Holyrood chamber at First Minister’s Questions on Thursday that the proposal represented “shambolic, last-minute, kneejerk decision-making” and suggested that tensions were already emerging between the SNP and the Scottish Greens.
Sturgeon replied that she believed businesses were showing “understanding and pragmatism… in recognition of the severity of the situation we face”.
But Neil Doncaster, Chief Executive of the Scottish Professional Football League, earlier issued a warning that the plans would have “significant unintended consequences” for clubs, with the proposals for events of more than 10,000 people affecting Scotland games and some Scottish Premiership matches.
He told BBC Sport Scotland: “It’s not clear what IT infrastructure will be in place, what timescales clubs will be asked to work to, or what can be done for those without smartphones.
“And it’s not clear if it’s going to cut across terms and conditions of seasons tickets already bought by people across the land.”
Although Sturgeon said on Wednesday that she hoped not to extend the measure to other venues, the Managing Director of the Scottish Licensed Trade Association, Colin Wilkinson, described it as a “threat hanging over the whole of the hospitality industry”.
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This needs more than just criticism, they need to make a legally binding public pledge that they will not obey any vaccine pass laws and will stay open normally regardless. This needs mass defiance to fix it, not just words. The government is beyond being persuaded by words, but mass defiance can still work, when enough people refuse to comply (5% of businesses could easily be enough to make it impossible for police) there is nothing that can be done to suppress or punish them. Given what I’ve seen in the last few day’s I take back some of my earleir comments and state that we are no longer in a democracy, rpotest now must focus on preventing enforcement from being able to operate, not simply on making a noise about your disapproval. As an example those licensed trades need to get ready to keep operating unlicensed if necessary, any legislation used to back up vaccine passports (for example threatening to take away licenses from pubs which don’t act as stasi) also becomes guilty by association. However the state escalates businesss must be prepared to keep on defying. Hold the line.
politicians are doing this because they aren’t getting enough pushback
we do need defiance. I’m not going anywhere that demands a vaxport or a negative test or proof of previous infection (I’ve had a previous infection but there’s no way I am going to use that to get around their fascist controls)
I wonder if politizians work for the people that voted for them or if they work for the people that control the vote counting? I think we need bypass the illusion of democracy and to vote for a new global elite instead
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I don’t disagree with you, but we’ve needed mass defiance for months. The tragic reality is that we’ve had mass compliance from a population that is too scared to think for itself. It’s difficult to see where the courage and resolve needed for this kind of fight is going to come from.
It only takes 3-5% of the population to push back.
Can even be less than that, but the point here is this is a government attack on freedom which is closely tied to businesses, we need businesses to defy forcefully, not just ordinary people.
Couldn’t agree more. We have this completely the wrong way around.
The government doesn’t have the right to impose vaccine passports. So it’s not a question of criticising. It is a question of reminding the government in the most forceful way possible that it is overstepping its authority and will not be permitted to do so.
Enough of these officials imposing themselves on us.
I’m afraid the executive does have “the right”…
Well, at this point it is a matter of opinion which may have to be settled in court.
That would establish the legal right from a technical stand point.
There would still be the question from the point of view of universal human rights which is a fuzzy concept but not trivial one.
At one point in Germany, the people gave themselves the legal right to persecute Jews. At a later date it was established that they had in fact violated a higher, uncodified law and that they did not in fact have that right. And people were severely punished for it.
So, you can take the narrow view that from a purely technical point of view governments may ascribe themselves the right to impose vax passports. Or you could take the position that in any case there is a higher law that we should appeal to which makes vaccine passports an abomination.
I’m clear where I want to stand.
It’s not the coppers, it’s the local councils. I know of two local places that had their licence stripped for exactly that type of disobedience.
Yes, but they’re going to have to defy councils and operate unlicensed, at that point it might be cops, afterall council enforcement is simply calling on cops to do dirty work for them. If it never comes to cops then resisting councils will be easy, without cops they have no physical power whatever orders they might scream. Businesses need to recognise that they have the right to run the country, not this criminal conspiracy of a government, and businesses need to start laying down alternative laws, the kind which are actually compatible with hman rights and a functional economy.
I think that’s all far easier said than done my friend.
The obstacle is getting numbers together, once you have the numbers it is trivial to defy the state, the hard part is getting people to band together enough and take initial individual risks for a payoff which can’t come until numbers pass the critical threshold. Something which can bind defiant people to each other and force them all to commit fully, prevent any from being able to back out of defiance and leave undefended those who still bravely stand, is what we need.
This is, in effect a game theory type problem, the decision matrix currently reads, for a specific business:
Defy: and be attacked by the state, Comply: and be crushed later
We need to shift this to
Defy: and be part of a force too big for the state to stop, Comply: and be crushed later
The shift is caused by having other businesses defy too, the trick there is ensuring that when one stands they don’t stand alone, developing a proper camaraderie.
“There’s going to be no vaccination of people under 18. It’s an adult-only vaccine, for people over 50, focusing on health workers and care home workers and the vulnerable”
Kate Bingham the head of the UK’s vaccine taskforce 05 October 2020.
Nicola Sturgeon plans to force ‘large venues’ to check vaccine passports.
Although Sturgeon said on Wednesday that she hoped not to extend the measure to other venues.
Little Jimmy Crankie thinks we’re all thick as pigshit.
before they forced Kate Bingham out – her views didn’t align with that of Pharma shareholders
“Ms Bingham said vaccination policy would be aimed at those “most at risk” and noted that vaccinating healthy people, who are much less likely to have severe outcomes from Covid-19, “could cause them some freak harm”, potentially tipping the scales in terms of the risk-benefit analysis.”
“David Nabarro, special envoy to the World Health Organization on Covid-19, also told the FT that addressing the coronavirus crisis was “not going to be a case of everyone getting vaccinated”. He added: “There will be a definite analysis of who is the priority for the vaccine, based on where they live, their occupation and their age bracket. “We’re not fundamentally using the vaccine to create population immunity, we’re just changing the likelihood people will get harmed or hurt. It will be strategic.””
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751
and that was before delta variant which is only as harmful as flu.
That means they are targeting the genocide to the old and infirm.
Ironic, given Turdgeon herself is exactly that, with superpowers of pomposity, sneering and above all authoritarianism.
‘Vaccine’ passports are the first entry point for an all encompassing mandatory digital id.
Resisting the Borg will be worthwhile and will not be futile.
It’s not a “vaccine passport”. Or an “immunity to COVID passport” as we have seen from evidence in Israel and Iceland. It’s an obedience passport.
Or in language Nic Sturge On might understand, it’s an “Ah dae whit ah’m telt” passport.
Social Credit Privilege Pass.
Will allow people to use Green Zil lanes n future.
So many people have turned into concentration camp guards
The world will soon be divided between the DAMAGED vaccinated and the undamaged, “super powered” unvaccinated who will inherit the Earth
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-01-the-world-will-soon-be-divided-between-the-damaged-vaccinated-and-the-undamaged-unvaccinated.html
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The vaccinated are not damaged, mostly, the lockdonist bedwetters and the passport obsessed are clearly mentally damaged but unfortunately that doesn’t make them weak. The world will be divided, but the only way free people* will win and inherit it is if we fight harder than the control freaks will to crush us. Relying on the idea that the vaccinated overlords will somehow sicken from it is wishful thinking, this isn’t H G Wells’ war of the world, this is our war for the world.
*vaxxed, unvaxxed, that’s none of my business, nobody has the right to ask, free people resist passports, what they do with vaccines is each to their own
It’s far too soon to state with confidence that the vaccinated are undamaged – ADE won’t makes its presence felt until the winter.
The “vaccinated” will have been damaged, that seems a near certainty. Whether the “vaccines” kill you quickly or carry you off in a a year or so will depend on many different factors, but with every injection some new damage will be caused and then exacerbated further with every booster shot. The outlook for these people is depressingly bleak.
Considering all my family are ‘vaxxed’ and double-‘vaxxed’, I certainly do not wish anything bad will come of these jabs. But I can not see how something that is known to both clot and thin people’s blood at the same time can be healthy.
Two days ago, I was told my auntie had to be rushed into hospital to get a blood transfusion because her blood platelets were dangerously low. She’s not had any problems like this before but I’m confident without asking that she will have had the jab.
Without doubt, too many people (already) are spontaneously becoming ill with blood-related issues.
Something which makes me feel very uncomfortable is the idea that for us to be proven right and therefore vindicated, would mean the people we love getting seriously ill and dying.
No one wins except the criminals pushing this.
Whilst I know many sceptics, I’m almost the only unvaxxed person I know.
I think if matters do not change pretty soon society will split. There will be those who will want to remain wedded to the state and will obey every edict and every falsehood spewed forth from the propaganda media. Just because it makes them feel ‘safe’. But all the time blissfully unaware that they are little more than 21st century digital slaves.
And then there will be those who value freedom and liberty, mindful of all the risks that a natural human life entails, but think it worth it all the same. They will obviously gravitate towards similar types of people and a parallel society may well form. I can honestly see this happening and of the two this would be my preferred choice.
Demolition Man.
You have been fined 2 credits for breaches of the verbal morality code
Exactly
I prefer Douglas Adams version.
When our ancestors on the Golgafinchan B ark crash landed on Earth, they decided to adopt the leaf as currency. In order to prevent hyper inflation all the trees were burnt down.
It sums up the madness of our leaders quite succintly.
Lets see the detail, there ought to be self exemption in there as there is in England.
Self exemption is not sufficient – both because it buys off many people from challenging the policy itself, and because it intentionally creates confrontation. We have masks as a clear example. I never wore one, and as it happens did actually have a valid exemption under the government’s ‘rules’. However, it created a thoroughly unpleasant atmosphere – regular glares above the muzzle, confrontations with supermarket goons and railway staff, and occasionally the police at railway stations. I stood my ground, but I really don’t want to have this or a similar situation ever again – I managed over a year of it (shops was a year, railways longer) without telling anyone to fuck off and shove their mask up their arse, but I don’t think I would manage it again if they brought back a muzzle mandate.
I was always a bit politer than “f off” and “shove your mask up your …” but telling masked morons of their failings, in a more polite way was something I couldn’t resist doing.
I think before I unleash my full fury on anyone who asks me for a vaccine passport I might start by saying “I left that in East Germany, I won’t be going back for it”.
Know anyone in the security guard trade who might find themselves taking a vax passport enforcer job: warn them it won’t be worth the money.
I can be fairly sure that such will be the hatred for them that anyone taking a job as a vax passport enforcer will soon have a breakdown from all the abuse they’ll inevitably recieve, they should know beforehand that taking such a job will be so bad for them that it will never be worth any payment (let alone the meagre levels security guards usually get). When things get desperate enough, when an angry drunk turns up without a phone… anyone trying to enforce vaccine passports will be putting themselves in danger, lets get them to realise that now, the job’s paycheck isn’t worth the risk.
Lets try and get the message spreading, “the job won’t be worth it”.
They can’t have vaccine passports if nobody is dumb enough to take a job checking them.
I think you are being over-optimistic. Those who hate the concept will mostly stay away from anywhere demanding one, while the mass of sheeple will queue up with their smartphones at the ready!
Some of the sheeple will turn against it when they realise they’re being discriminated against due to constant governmental IT cockups even though they “did their bit” and got vaccinated. The guy who’s pass always worked and suddenly it doesn’t. Those will be one of the major groups who will make things dangerous for guards. It wouldn’t hurt for some of us enlightened to occasionally join such a queue and cause some verbal trouble at the front, as well as making enough vocal and obstinate protest to delay and irritate the sheeple behind, soon they’ll start to see the system as rotten rather than hate us.
Good to see she’s not sleeping. Hideous creature. Updated information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
Lie machine working overtime to try and discredit anything except the clot shots
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-ivermectin-covid-controversial-drug.html
Um, lets see….
Real world evidence, much from Israel, shows that there is not a gnat’s cock-hair’s width between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated in terms of catching and spreading the virus.
In other news, the Pfizer guinea pig nation, Israel, considers a 6month old vaccine passport to be worthless.
What is it about the medically unqualified idiots – Biden, Sturgeon, and Ferguson to name but three – that they are prepared, on a whim, to play dangerous games with people’s lives, livelihoods, and health?
They want the vaxxoid morons to feel they are getting a reward for their compliance.
Why dont they tell these politicians to do one. Their time is limited and they will be leaving a shed load of mess this time.
Observe that Tory Douglas Ross has no objection to vaccine passports, he just berates Nicola Ceausescu for announcing them at the last millisecond.
Not sure what to make of the response from the Opposition parties, given South of the Border they appear to either be fully in favour of vaccine passports or ambivalent to them.
I think the overwhelming majority of our elected politicians in the UK actively WANT vaccine passports, but would rather whatever ruling party is in office locally to be the ones who pushes it through with their own votes.
I’m betting they’ll be loads of abstentions from those ‘opposing’ them, making the passage of the policies very smooth. If things go wrong, then their names won’t be directly associated with it; it it goes ‘well’ (it won’t), then nobody will care.
Scottish Lib Dems have a petiton against vaccine passes, which you should sign despite how crap the lib dems have been in general. At least signing lets the lib dems know that there could be support for them if they went harder on their anti-passport stance.
I’d love to sign it, only I’m from England, so I shouldn’t…A shame we don’t have something similar from one of the political parties Down South. Nothing from The Reform Party, which is very disappointing to say the elast.
They’ve been WAY too quiet during the pandemic – and I thought that Tice’s recent (only) article in the Telegraph during that time was ok at best – he only spoke about contingency plans re the Nightingale hospitals – nothing on the vaccines (presumably he and his party either believes they’re all fine or he doesn’t have the cojones to say otherwise) or all of the authoritarian pandemic measures.
Already venue’s are saying that bookings, for when the passports come in, are down by 40%
40% of bookings will often make the differnce between profits and business collapse, if the businesses could stand together, ensure nobody could back out from defiance, this is well worth breaking any law for.
The economics term for what we need is an “Assurance Contract”
The trouble is how to set up some mechanism which really does force people to join the defiance movement so long as the critical threshold is met.
Here goes the usual buzzword but, cryptocurrency? Could one be designed that would enable this? Something where businesses can buy in, and then get their money back if the critical threshold of defiers isn’t met, but get substantially more back if the defier threshold is met and they join the defiance, and get nothing back if the defier threshold is met but they don’t do their bit? This would be turning the technologies of the state, they already have very nasty plans for “smart contracts” which blockchain currencies enable, against them. Could perhaps the Together Declaration group, of the massive group of human rights organisations which has just formed to oppose governmental attempts to remove judicial review and protest rights, even make this a “Dominant Assurance Contract” and offer some sum to give businesses the potential of a small benefit if the threshold wasn’t met? That turns the decision matrix in to:
Threshold isn’t met, get my initial money back plus the group’s little bit
Threshold is met and I defy, get massive profits out
Threshold is met and I don’t defy, lose everything I put in
If anyone does know what to call a game like the prisoner’s dillemma but where may payoff occurs to both parties if they work together, the middle option is what happens if you coward out and the other guy stays strong, the other middle option of roughly equal preference is what happens if you both coward out, and the worst option is what happens if you stay strong while the other cowards out. Please do post about it, that is the situation at present, not quite the prisoner’s dillemma becausing cowarding out is NOT a better option for you so long as the rest stay strong too. Anything we can do to make cowarding out less attractive can help. Please post the proepr name for a game with the options in that order, ascii art below:
you \ them..|…….them:coward……|…….them:strong…….|
you:coward.|….you:-1, them:-1…..|..you:-1, them -1000.|
you:strong…|.you:-1000, them: -1.|..you:+50, them:+50.|
+50 defiance succeeds
-1 dictatorship holds power because there was no defiance or you pulled out so your comrades failed
-1000 you try to stand but you do so without the help you need
An interesting proposition. Not quite my field and so I defer to others on this.
Alas, I would argue that several recent events suggest that the legal ‘system’ in Scotland is hopelessly compromised and now largely under the control of the vile SNP. So all bets are off. It would seem likely that anyone daring to challenge Turdgeon is looking at serious jail time.
This will go quiet and increase in severity as people think “it’s just…” then slowly they add to the list.
What do you expect from the left (sorry to any nice lefties) they are always hell bent on authoritarianism. Telling others what they can and cannot do.
Blair, Brown and, kind of, Cameron all wanted ID cards brought in. All they needed was a scare. Terrorism didn’t work so now the
common coldcovid is the answer to their evil plans.Remember the passport is just that, about controlling you, not a virus. They can’t control a virus but they can with you and you are letting them!
What do we expect from a party who wants the Named Persons Act and Hate Crime Bill.
Waking up yet? If not, you all will but by then it will be too late and you will also be under the kosch. There is no escaping this even if you think you are on their side.
Again and again, the Sad, Nasty Pondlife and their authoritarian-moron ‘leader’ Turdgeon show their unfitness to run a bath, never mind Scottish local administration.
For example (from Brussels BS Corp as of yesterday):
‘Whereas in England and Wales people have been able to use the NHS app to show their vaccination status, those in Scotland have to request a record of vaccination online or by phone. This can be sent in the post or downloaded as a PDF to be printed out or shown on a smartphone.’
In other words – and expressed more neutrally, rather than in the soft, gentle pass BBC-Guardian gave to the SNP:
The Scottish App is wildly delayed, while people in England and Wales have easily been able to prove their status on a smartphone for weeks.
And all because the simpleton, cretinous, spite-filled idiots from the SNP who ‘run’ the Scottish local admin chose to be different and do it themselves, for no good reason than to be different for its own sake.
Turdgeon and her fellow authoritarians (e.g. Humza ‘Stasi’ Yousaf and Kate ‘Cambridge but thick as mince’ Forbes) shame Scotland every hour of every day.