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Why is the Government Claiming “One in Three” Test and Trace Contacts Become Infected When its Own Data Shows That to Be False?

by Will Jones
22 July 2021 12:00 AM

In a desperate effort to encourage people to self-isolate when pinged by the NHS Covid app or contacted by Test and Trace – even cancelling their wedding day if necessary – the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said yesterday that: “One in three people contacted either by Test and Trace or the app go on to develop coronavirus.”

There’s just one problem with this latest nugget of fear-based nudgery: it’s not true.

Test and Trace get in touch with people’s contacts and ask them to self-isolate. The proportion of those contacts who become infected is known as the secondary attack rate (SAR). Public Health England publishes the data on this SAR from Test and Trace data in its Technical Briefings, so we know what it is. The most recent estimate for the SAR of the Delta variant (in June) is that 10.3% of an infected person’s household contacts become infected (the SAR for non-household contacts is considerably lower).

How, then, can it be true that one in three – 33% – of people contacted by Test and Trace or the app go on to develop coronavirus? That’s claiming the SAR of SARS-CoV-2 is around 33%, but the Government’s own published data says it’s more like 10%.

Can the Government back up its claims, and explain why it is stating that the SAR of Covid is more than three times the figure published in its own data?

Tags: PingdemicSecondary attack rateTest and Trace

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

The left, having repeatedly lost at the polling stations over the last 20 years, have opted instead, via their placemen and women in the media, the unions, the NHS, the civil service and academia, to go for overthrowing the government by underhand means via a de facto general strike, under the cover of a so-called pandemic.

Have I understood correctly?

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JamesM
JamesM
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes, a perfect summary of what has happened. You would think the government would now disband SAGE, given that it has been so thoroughly discredited. But Johnson never seems to learn. 

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

So he needs to retain SAGE as modern day soothsayers to back his own tyrannous policies. The next battle may be over who controls the covidian infrastructure / powers for their own political usage under cover of another phoney emergency.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

Reminds me of the post-war Tory strategy of overseeing Britains Managed Decline.
They expect defeat and want to be on the ‘winning side’ when it happens.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

Yes, Kim Jong-Johnson is driven by whim and, as such, the most elementary reasoning is beyond him.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

He is a stumbling, bumbling catastrophe!

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

If you think that Boris is driven by whim, then you’re an even bigger twat than he is.

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TheEngineer
TheEngineer
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Don’t forget that “whim” is likely driven by his globalist “mates”.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

SAGE are useful for shifting the overton window. This left wing quasi-socialist Government appear tame by comparison.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

‘Disband it’?

Where are the criminal charges for its web of lies and the damage it has done to lives, busineses, mental health and the economy?

20 years hard-labour ( a first for them all!) would seem “appropriaate”.

This country has been suffocated by their lies for two years!

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

“20 years hard-labour“, really?

You’re too old, and too kind.

They deserve far, far worse.

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Less government
Less government
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

They are no doubt itching to find another justification for employing these communist tyrants again. Climate change?

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Less government

They’ve already employed Vallance for said purpose, expect more restrictions.

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The Enforcer
The Enforcer
3 years ago
Reply to  CovidiotAntiMasker

Spot on. Unbalanced has now started the next ‘control’ measure with maximum use of ‘nudge’ for the ridiculous Net Zero policy which will put the costs of Covid into the shade and for much longer.
I am asked to fill in views for YouGov aboutabout every two weeks and I reckon it is fixed because I used to get asked about Covid restrictions and always answered that they need to be disbanded but now I am never asked about that aspect which means that lockdown sceptics like me are not counted hence the 17%.

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Peter W
Peter W
3 years ago
Reply to  The Enforcer

I gave up on their polls last year when they stopped asking covid-related questions and stuck to washing powder. They obviously carefully pick and choose their respondents.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

He doesn’t have to ”learn”. He has others above him to do that. I’m still amazed that so many people think he’s the one in charge.

SAG(redundant E) will stay with a foot in the door for as long as they’re deemed necessary for the fear campaign. So many people ARE still afraid that it’d be a pity if they lost momentum when they still have so much to contribute. (At the very least, they’ll probably be kept in situ on a retainer.)

But perhaps the article said this. I stopped reading after the words ”Yougov”.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes exempt that the underlying strategy was devised between the wars. See Frankfurt School. Long March Through The Institutions.

Triggered by their repeated defeats my Mrs. Thatcher.

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yet this fiendish left-wing plan overlooked the asset stripping and billions looted, meanwhile, by government cronies. How is it these lefty revolutionaries’ plans went so awry as to end up enriching global capital?
We need more austerity to balance the books. And we will get it.

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

kate, so naive kate, you really don’t get it.

Political left and right disappeared decades ago.

Remember the battle for the centre ground over the last 25 years?

Cue WEF young global leaders coming to fruition; Merkal, Macron, Trudeau, Adern, and Johnson.

All will be sacrificial sheep at the alter of global control.

And it all depends on universal digital IDs ….

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes, just add in Beijing telling us that we actually want to destroy ourselves, via WuGov.

I’ve yet to see anyone come up with a plausible scenario in which the Mandarin Empire won’t long since have captured and controlled all major online Western polls. They have the technology, the manpower (literally manpower, they have 20 million+ excess penises who need to be kept very busy), and they most certainly have the malicious intent.

Why wouldn’t they?

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

The cowards are correct: there is no logic in his approach (not that they are right about the bigger picture). His response has been chaotic, politicised, arbitrary.

But if you condition people to follow your rules and to become true-believing covidian zombies, why be surprised when they recoil and curse you as you suddenly offer them freedom?

It’s time to tell ‘the people’ to get a furking grip.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

In just two years hey have conditioned people to mindlessly follow ever changing pointless and confusing rules. Take that away and they have nothing left to believe in.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Too true

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

It reminds of when I lost my first long term👫 girlfriend. I couldn’t remember what I used to do before we met.

(Also after two years, LOL).

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Marxist Devils at the heart of a Conservative ( sic) Government!

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

They are fascists.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

Isn’t president Hillary doing well in her second term

#DONTTRUSTPOLLS

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Jon Garvey
Jon Garvey
3 years ago

Sow the behavioural wind, and reap a whirlwind.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

From yesterday I’m clear of Covid after 1 month but last time I tested ⚗ positive I received 3 different dates advising when my self isolation would end including The Same Day I Took the Positive Test even though I was still in ‘in hospital 🤢 with ‘Covid’ at the time LOL.

If I was “pro isolationist’ this might give me some cause for concern🤔.

Last edited 3 years ago by karenovirus
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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Hint : don’t test

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

Clue is in the words ‘in hospital’.

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I refer you to my previous answer

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

See how far your treatment for more serious conditions than Covid goes if you refuse to get tested.

Back of the queue for being an awkward bugger at the very least.
But in any case test/don’t test is not the subject of my post.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

See mine down at the very bottom. It was a little child, throwing a tantrum.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

? Sorry, down at the very bottom of what ?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

At the very bottom end of this thread.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Did you see? Or did you just assume, and comply?

Genuine question.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

Not my downtick btw.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

The point DS readers of this post, and similar, fail to take on board is how utterly useless the ‘isolate at home’ process is even if you are 100% believer and advocate.

I’m trapped in hospital so effectively compulsarily tested, it comes up positive yet on the same day I am advised

“You have tested positive for Covid (today).
Your period for self isolation ends today”.

The NHS vaxport app duly bissues digital vaxport valid for one month. This is the third time this had happened so not a one-off computer clitch.

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A Y M
A Y M
3 years ago

I’m starting to sympathise with the globalists. Maybe the human herd needs culling after all.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

I don’t think the numbers are right, but I believe that the majority think this. Yep, I’m actually hoping we can see that saying about waiting for a bus and two turning up… come true. But replace bus with comet.

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A Y M
A Y M
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

I would prefer it to be more targeted towards stupidity and cowardice than a comet!

This feels like someone trying to save a poor swimmer who falls off the life raft only to be drowned himself by the flailing fool who refuses to calm down and be rescued.

Im ready to just get back in the life raft and let the fools drown.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

The Daily Mail commentariat seem to be overepresented among the 25% who don’t want isolating from home to be permanent.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

I’m more of the opinion that the world needs a de-wormer, to remove the families of inter-generational parasites who have brought us to where we are now. If ever there were useless eaters, it is that lot.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Don’t believe a word of it, the unions and the scientists want it to continue, do a REAL poll, not a you gov one.

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coppelledstreets
coppelledstreets
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

All polls are rigged to produce the answer they want.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  coppelledstreets

The poll from family and friends says stuff your lockdown’s

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1984imminent
1984imminent
3 years ago
Reply to  coppelledstreets

Even a pupil on Grange Hill spotted that, in about 1988. “Mrs McLusky will only call a referendum when she’s certain they’ll get the result they want.”

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  coppelledstreets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

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coppelledstreets
coppelledstreets
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

Thanks for that. 🙂

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  TSull

Brilliant, but no longer necessary. WuGov just selects the respondents that it already knows will give the answer it’s being paid for, even (and especially) if half of them are Chinese bots or agents.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Q1. Have you worn a face mask throughout the deadly pandemic.
A) Yes
B) No (go to question 30)

Q2. Should carriers of the lethal plague be forced to self isolate, or should they be allowed to put you and your granny at extreme risk of covideath?
…

Q30. Imagine tossing a coin. Would you predict it to land showing:
A) Heads
B) Tails

Thank you for your valuable feedback, kerching. Don’t forget to stay safe.

Last edited 3 years ago by TheBluePill
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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Daily Mail readers have got their number, especially that of the Unions.

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John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“It’s widely accepted that the government uses polling company YouGov to ‘test the waters’ before announcing new policies. In mid-January 2021, YouGov started probing how lockdowns might have affected public concern for the environment. The survey tested agreement with attitudes such as ‘The short-term positive impact Coronavirus has had on wildlife and ecosystems has encouraged me to make better environmental and sustainable decisions’ and the importance of reducing your carbon footprint since the beginning of the Covid pandemic.” ( Dodsworth L. (2021) “A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic” p 81)

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  John

I think it should be more widely accepted that “the government” (of China or the UK, not that there’s much difference) uses WuGov to poison the well by telling us what it wants us to think that everybody believes.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

Did they only survey people in Scotland to get those poll figures? It’s only North of the border and the more snooty parts of England that I notice anyone showing signs of convid psychosis.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I don’t know, I’m in the SW and in b&q today couldn’t understand a word the assistant was saying, I asked her to pull it down please and said how much I was looking forward to being able to see everyone’s smiles again and understand what they’re saying, her reply “don’t you know 1 in 20 get ‘it’ and I serve 250 people a day so I will be continuing to always wear a mask. There’s no cure for stupid and I can’t even be bothered to try any more.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Just read what I wrote above, really badly written, my apologies, its been a long day.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Can’t say as I’d noticed but in any case it’s what you have to say not how well you say it that’s important.

Similarly in SW. Overheard in a small shop

“Some people have stopped using masks on the buses, every time I see someone cough or sneeze I think ‘thank goodness I’m wearing mine’ “.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I used to roll my eyes or stare in disbelief. Now it’s so predictable that it’s all I can do to stop myself nodding.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago

It’s the way you ask the questions – but didn’t YouGov polls come unstuck in December

Last edited 3 years ago by PhantomOfLiberty
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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

The zealots have nailed their colours to the mast and would look foolish now if they admitted they are wrong, so would say keep restrictions so as not to look so stupid.

Lets reverse the tables, how many of us sceptics would now after 2 years admit we were completely wrong and admit to all the people who we have argued with that we they were right and we were wrong. You’d feel pretty stupid and sheepish.

The best thing is we were right and realised from early on that the politicians and MSM were hyping it up and got it wrong but were unable to back down.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I’d be happy to admit I was wrong, but my outlook on ‘Covid’ is based on all I’ve seen, heard and read, and my own experience, and it still screams SCAM! at me.

Nope, still no dead bodies in the bushes round here, still the same staff alive and well in the shops – just where is the ‘deadly pandemic’?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I still remember a local headline from early into Lockdown One.

“Covid forces local Co-op to close”.

Turns out the sister of one member of staff was identified as having Covic (falsely as it it happens).

All the Co-op staff who had worked on the same shift as her were temporarily ‘furloughed’ and the shop had to close its doors for a few hours while staff were redeployed from other branches and the shop deep cleaned.
All people rememberd for weeks was
“Covid forces Co-op to close”.as though dead staff were clogging up the aisles like in some zombie virus movie.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I’ve been saying that here and elsewhere for the past 18 months. The longer people keep obeying the stupid rules the more difficult it becomes for them to admit to themselves that they have been wrong.

The same applies to the government itself with their responses to Covid.

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Javy
Javy
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

When a dodgy sat-Nav took them down a narrow track, they couldn’t find reverse gear.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

What a load of #OLLOX!

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago

Not really surprising. Two years of captivity has led to Stockholm syndrome in part of the population. The prospect of normality is now scary for some, which presumably was the plan for us all from the outset. Paraphrasing Klaus Schwab the clueless duly like their imprisonment.

On the other hand everybody I meet can’t wait to see unscared faces again. Phuck the hoodwinked.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

“Stockholm syndrome”

Good point.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Which is ironic, given that Stockholm doesn’t have Stockholm syndrome

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Not even among a few?

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

They weren’t locked down and, as such, can’t have, even if they were Branch Covidians to begin with.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago

“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State”

(“Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato”)

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

Aveva buone intenzioni.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Yes, indeed!

The ESSO company should’ve sued those partisans.

(But at least, they did tie up her skirt.)

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No-one important
No-one important
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

The PM’s present consort would do well to pay attention to the lady in the middle of that picture.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  No-one important

Wikipedia says Boris has fathered children. That is impossible.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*

Benito Mussolini, in a speech before the Chamber of Deputies on 26 May 1927.

A history prof once gave me a simple definition of fascism, relating back to its earliest form: the rule by one party, but more precisely … rule by a CLIQUE within that party.

I’ve finally got off my duff and ordered a copy of Stanley Payne’s book, Fascism: Comparison and Definition.

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D J
D J
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mussolini said it best:’Everything within the state,nothing outside the state and nothing against the state.’

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caravaggio57
caravaggio57
3 years ago

If the Unions want the madness to continue, that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Boris is right to open up completely. The sooner the better. Tomorrow at 4am would be a good time to remove all restrictions.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  caravaggio57

So long as bozo doesn’t use it to appear the freedom granting hero.

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Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
3 years ago

The usual suspects are bleating again.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

Pollsters will, of course, produce the results they are… ahem… asked to produce, but the sheeple people do have form….

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago

I don’t believe that half of people want self isolation to continue forever. This is a rigged poll, like most other polls.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Polls were never designed to reflect public opinion, but to shape it.

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Dylan2021
Dylan2021
3 years ago

Lies, damned lies, and statistics,

AND THEN THERE ARE YOU GOV POLLS….

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007point5
007point5
3 years ago

The #BranchCovidians have #StockholmSyndrome. Simple. They need #Therapy.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  007point5

They need to be locked away for their own safety, and the Greater Good.

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Star
Star
3 years ago

“The Prime Minister’s Press Secretary said businesses would be given a ‘wide range of guidance’ on how to treat employees following the removal of the Covid self-isolation requirement. Legal experts have warned that even without laws it is possible businesses could be taken to an employment tribunal if an outbreak in the workplace leads to serious illness or the death of a friend or relative of an employee.”

Payday for Big Insurance as well as for Big Finance and Big Pharma then. It’s easy to overlook the role of insurers. They get a slice of almost every piece of action in the economy – in the private sector, the state sector, and the “third sector” – just as the banks do. The second sentence in that quote sounds like a veiled reference to insurance.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Also payday for Big Law.

American highways are replete with billboards advertising law firms which can get you lots of moolah if you’re injured in an accident. Seems I’ve actually seen one of those with a photo of the lawyer stern-faced holding a sledgehammer.

Those guys are probably salivating.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

It also looks like an indirect way to impose restrictions by getting employers to impose them on staff / customers. It’ll be like the moronic announcements on stations about wet platforms and the like – if challenged, the answer is normally “we have to do it to avoid getting sued”. The same tactics appear to be in use here.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

It would be Big Insurance taking a hit this time but it was they who stymied bozos attempts to get people back to work at the end of Lockdown One.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Someone (was it you, Star?) predicted that the role of insurance companies could become very interesting with regard to “vaccine” damage.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Same for Britons then. And for EUropeans even more so. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/safety-third-covid-19-and-the-american-character/
“Ultimately, safetyism is a radical form of self-regard, and un-American.

Americans must now make a choice. It’s not merely a choice about how we want to live. It’s a choice about who we want to be. Those who fetishize safety posture themselves as virtuous people; they pretend that their concerns are an expression of a deep, abiding care for others. But this is a lie. Ultimately, safetyism—where the avoidance of harm becomes a way of inhabiting the world—is a radical form of self-regard. To elevate safety to the status of an idol reveals a fear of life; it conceals a pathological mindset where worry and uncertainty become a controlling presence. It is solipsistic navel-gazing, a decadent wallowing in anxiety and self-pity.

The dehumanizing aspects of safetyism are disguised by endless platitudes about the well-being of others. But insisting upon others’ compliance so that you can live a safer life (after all, we can never be entirely safe) is ultimately an expression of personal weakness. It is a betrayal of the national character. Taken to the scale of society at large, safetyism threatens the dignity of our people. The time has come for a collective embrace of risk—the inherent risk that is the price of freedom in an uncertain world. The time has come to reclaim our dignity, to become again who we are—and who Americans have always been. Safety third.”

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Ellwanger’s got a good point, but I’d like to point out that he’s in Houston. What it’s like where I’m is a far cry, and I know the reason.

America’s big cities are largely under the control of race-hustlers. The way they operate is to keep their electorates frightened, and thereby, aroused.

The suburbs are a far cry. Where I’m at, we do see people wearing masks, but the great majority of us don’t, and no one makes any sort of big deal about it.

I could easily be mistaken, but it seems that Ellwanger is deliberately stirring the pot. (The past decade’s seen a lot of that. The Tea Party movement was good, but there WERE some real wackos in it. The old John Birch Society’s infiltrated the CPAC group in Dallas. Et cetera.)

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

Want to get the first-taste of Houston politics? Ignore Wikipedia. Go by the following:
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/sheila-jackson-lee

Notice that she’s been to Cuba twice, on “official” business.

She’s somewhat like the late CM of India’s Tamil Nadu – a goddess in her own minds.

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

Its such a shame most unions are what they are today and do not fulfill the purpose that they had decades ago, unions are supposed to protect people’s employment, if they are ring leading for more restrictions, all you can see happening is businesses closing and jobs lost, the economy is really ruined as a result.

“This has been compounded by a new YouGov poll of nearly 4,500 Britons that shows three-quarters of people believe the self-isolation requirement after a positive Covid test should remain in place”.

Polls like these are a waste of time, nearly 4,500 people polled is tiny compared to say the protests against restrictions which attracted 100,000s if not more last yr in London

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
3 years ago

Got as far as YouGov..

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

you got further than me, I only got as far as “SAGE scientists have also warned”

It’ll be better when they’re relying on “ex SAGE scientist say”…

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Star
Star
3 years ago

If you were in the rulers’ position right now – with the population’s minds more submissive than they’ve ever been before, and with a lot of slack left yet – would you want a big war soon or not?

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Fraser Nelsons Underpants
Fraser Nelsons Underpants
3 years ago

There are some very sad, cowardly, boring and selfish people in the country it seems. A lot of them.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

God, what a load of pathetic tadpoles the Brotish people have turned into.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago

Is the decision driven by political considerations? Very likely. Is the decision the right one. Also very likely.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

Informative (and encouraging) that the best rated DM readers comment is ‘Half want to curbs forever?!? What?!

7487 upticks, 224 downticks at time of posting.

I would have more faith in this readout rather than a youGov poll.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

There’s no point in asking the wider population what they think — they’ve been brainwashed over the last two years to consider covid an existential threat.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

The public want to carry on …
Either the public have the intelligence and backbone of an amoeba or the polls are lying. “We want to sit at home until the country collapses so we can kill each other for scraps of food and live like animals.”

But … the low office utilisation was always going to happen over time but the speed will cause major problems. What happens when all the loans go bad as interest rates climb. What will happen to domestic mortgages? But, I expect people will think it’s ok when the government take their homes as long as they can watch Netflix.

Give me strength. Let’s say it again; “money really does not grow on trees”. I mean money as in value not currency which grows in computers.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
3 years ago

Hmm, YouGov poll, the “independent” poll that has two paths depending on your first answer. They then choose the one they want to report on. My wife does loads of them, she loves polls and questionnaires, even gets paid for them. She says the results are ludicrous because people in the attached forums are saying the opposite of what YouGov prints.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

If you enable and pay the people for taking the mickey out of the system by effectively having ‘vacations’ at home for 2 years, they and their even lazier and more corrupt ‘representatives’ will fight tooth and nail to prolong this for as long as they can, ideally forever.
Capitalism 101.

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Bill314
Bill314
3 years ago

I suspect the government has a mental-health problem on its hands with facemasks.

Some people look like they fear the day when they’ll have to leave home without a mask. They seem to be wed to masks like non-swimmers are wed to arm-floats.

The government deliberately injected a fear into society that doesn’t appear to be dissipating. I think they’re going to have to be proactive and at least go back to their original claim that facemasks are less than useless. That would be a necessary first step, but I doubt it would be sufficient.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill314

There will need to be a law that prohibits mask wearing in public places. Even in their own homes neurotic mask freaks will need the written consent of those they live with.

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The old bat
The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Aaah – can you remember the heady days when if anyone entered a business (especially banks and post offices) with their face covered by a scarf they were asked to remove it in case they were hiding their identity for nefarious purposes?

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

Yes, dimly!

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Bill314
Bill314
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

I think it would be much more important to target the source rather than the symptoms, by preventing media and governments from manipulating people’s vulnerabilities.

There are a lot of people out there who are vulnerable to various fears and neuroses; seemingly many young children are now terrified that they’re going to be frazzled by climate change. As things stand, I doubt the manipulation will end with the end of this pandemic.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

That’s cruel to people who’ve been knowingly traumatised by 2 yrs of psy-ops..

Live and let live. Just publicise the harms to health and let people make their own minds up.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Traumatised certainly but in my experience they haven’t wasted any opportunity to virtue signal their mask obedience. It’s going to take some time to forgive their ignorance and their arrogance.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill314

That fear has been around in various forms for a long time.

In America, there are law enforcement fraternal organizations — charities — and for ages they’ve held periodic fundraisers. Us old farts are accustomed to getting calls from telemarketers working contract with those, asking for donations. (Note that the calls are from civilians employed by companies which do the calling for the police lodges.)

My sainted mother NEVER turned them down. She ALWAYS donated.

Some 40 years ago, she explained: “You never want to get a policeman mad at you.”

I told her, they weren’t policemen. She just shook her head, incapable of believing that.

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Bill314
Bill314
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

When I was growing up there were a few occasions when the police could have got mad, but they had more important issues on their minds.

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
3 years ago

Do away with the technology, all this hassle will go away.

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago

By now the snowflakes should have melted

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Eric Olthwaite
Eric Olthwaite
3 years ago

As Poll Shows Just 17% Support End of Self-Isolation, While Half Want it to Continue FOREVER

Yeh right … I also remember opinion polls that claimed that Remain would win the EU Referendum and that Hillary Clinton would beat Donald Trump in a landslide victory to become the USA’s first woman president … you can manipulate opinion polls if you ask the right questions – once upon a time they were an ideal tool to try and gauge public feeling – now they’re just used to produced the results the establishment political elite want to see in order to manipulate and influence the public mindset and justify unpopular governmnet policies … I’ll never trust another poll for as long as I live.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  Eric Olthwaite

Absolutely right. Time was that Market Research/Opinion Poll companies had some integrity (though never 100% in my experience). Now they feel free to just brazenly make it all up, forget random sampling, unadjusted results, etc.

Surely there’s a body that monitors these biased companies? If not, why not?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

I agree with “Time was…”

27 years ago, I’d studied the history of one particular (and very-damned good) market research company, and called the home office one day with an arcane question about it. I was blessed with a 45 minute chat with the firm’s then-near-retired founder (who happened to be in the building.)

Part of the conversation was about how his company had discovered substantial fraud going in inside the manufacturing arm of a major processed/frozen foods maker. It led to part of that firm’s staff being canned by top management. How did the MR firm detect the fraud? By being very precise and honest in how they ran the customer satisfaction survey for the head office.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

The problem is that any such body would be under the control of those who want the fabricated results. They would only be monitored when working for those who oppose whatever narrative is being played out, if ever.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

Let those who want to, stay indoors and hide away. Just leave the rest of us alone and let us get on with living.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Provided they don’t expect any government financial support, and don’t whinge if they have a job which can’t be done at home (or can’t be done effectively) and they get sacked due to refusing to go to a workplace.

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

there is also a suspicion that the media and establishment are trying to remove boris and install starmer because he has finally looking to lift some restrictions, I noted yesterday (wed) that Johnson announced this, then later in the day a “photo” emerged of him allegedly at a quiz night ignoring restrictions, seems to me all this blackmail material was saved up to release when there was pushback against restrictions. Instead of questioning if Johnson thought it was such a dangerous virus why did he then ignore his own restrictions, the media are painting it as starmer was a good boy and cared for others and obeyed everything why Johnson was reckless and could have metaphorically killed people.

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sinope33
sinope33
3 years ago

Well you reap what you sow.

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stormborn95
stormborn95
3 years ago

YouGov polls are effectively self-selecting with a requirement to be registered on-line and given voucher rewards for answering. There is no way these can be representative. Furthermore the questions are phrased to permit only certain answers. Check it out yourselves by going to their website.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
3 years ago
Reply to  stormborn95

Correct. Random samplig is “so yesterday”, apparently.

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thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
3 years ago

I never thought the hypnosis had gone this far. But evidently it has. If we see the same results in 12 months, we’re done for.

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Drew63
Drew63
3 years ago

I wouldn’t worry too much about some silly poll.

We will continue to see fools shuffling around the supermarket wearing face masks. But every week that goes by there will be less and less of them. We’re already at 25% going mask-free, at least according to my highly unscientific observational studies. And the number is increasing. I figure we’ll be close to 50% before the end of February, and sometime there will be a tipping point, where people won’t want to stick out by wearing one.

I’d wager good money that by June of this year, you’ll rarely see a mask at all.

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Adamb
Adamb
3 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

I’m not so sure, I think they appeal to a certain type of neurotic, uptight, sanctimonious, self-obsessed person who will never give them up now.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

It may be sooner than that. My train to the office was packed this morning. Passengers were squeezed in to the vestibules. However, no more than 10% were muzzled.

The office is attempting to force us to wear muzzles when standing, but despite reminders coming from the top, no more than 20% are obeying. People are cramming into lifts where they would normally have waited for the next one.

Went out for lunch and all of the hospitality staff have disposed of their muzzles.

It is over in the cities (or at least mine). Something seemed to happen suddenly this week, where they all collectively took the same action. Perhaps the dissenters just reached critical mass for the herd to follow. This has happened before but probably not to the same degree and definitely not while we are still in winter.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Broadly true at my place as well. Hardly any staff in the supermarket using them now, just some of the customers – mostly elderly at that time of day the last time I was in there. Also, at an appointment at the dentist’s, none of the other patients were wearing them in the waiting room, nor were the receptionists at the desk. Just normal medical ones used by the dentist himself.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Professor Tim Spector, leader of the ZOE Covid study app at Kings College London:

He added: “It’s definitely not over – your risk of getting it is huge – and to suddenly give the wrong message

This is so paranoid, someone like this should not have a job in public health as he is spreading fear which causes ill health. Those jabs must be pretty crap if statements like this are valid from someone coining a living looking at the data. Your risk of getting it is huge. Yawn, play the other one, this is getting tedious and boring now. There never was a super killer mega virus. It could not be more obvious. Everyone has been conned, and these idiots calling for more of this deranged Covid terrorism need to wake up and smell the coffee. The spell has been broken and people have woken up to the scam which has nowhere to go, unless you want to break people, risk civil war and make folk ill with obsession about respiratory disease – causing enormous mental health consequences as a result, turning people into OCD consumed morons for life. Good one, thats how to build a strong nation. Its really quite traumatising seeing kids in masks for example, I feel so bad for them. England will not be further darkened by this nonsense so credit where its due, we have to applaud the PM for not taking us down the insane Covidian fanatic route. People calling for more of this crap are going to look more and more stupid as time goes on (they already do), the reality is the antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists have called this insanity correctly at every step of the way and the other side has lied and cheated and scammed and changed definitions to fit the storyline and not a lot else. We have seasonal respiratory diseases and always have done, some seasons are worse than others and sometimes lives are lost but thankfully its nearly always those at the very end of their natural days. As individuals in free societies we should be free to do what we choose including having access to the best advice not railroaded into signing up for trials for death causing experimental crap like Remdesevir and certainly not turned into genetically modified non-humans. That situation needs to be challenged heavily in court and profiteers facilitators and scammers in this regard should be banged up for a VERY long time.

If the GOV really want to help peoples health in winter (which they clearly dont), send them industrial quantities of Vitamin D and it will have a positive effect. It doesnt matter what happens because IT (the virus whose existence has never been satisfactorily proven) never presented any more of a danger to public health than the common flu, a truth which was publicised and endorsed by the best and the brightest in the relevant fields from very early on, so the PM (who considering what has happened in the last two years is actually in not bad shape and has handled partygate and all sorts of crap with some skill) can do this knowing 100percent that there is not going to be a sudden tsnuami of death or blood on his hands because there was never a super killer mega virus in the first place and even if there was, these ridiculous restrictions achieve nothing worthwhile anyway, its tantamount to being cruel for crueltys sake and not a lot else. The world is not going to implode because of pointless restrictions being lifted and these comments from these so called academics show the absurdity of their position based on “the science” aka “the bullsh*t” and lack of validity and worth to their influence

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cloud6
cloud6
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Zoe does not want to see their massive funding going up the swanny…

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Given a choice between losing funding and ending up the way those who aid and abet tyrants inevitably end up, I’d choose the former.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Money talks, in the case of Spector.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

The resistance comes as a poll finds that three quarters of the public want self-isolation rules to continue, half say forever, while just 17% support the move.

LOL!

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No-one important
No-one important
3 years ago

Speaking personally, I have given up on the average UK adult human – such is their stupidity, fear, and anxiety to be seen to be following the herd; it seems that the psychos and zombies pulling the levers and dictating gubmint policy can get away with whatever they want.

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iane
iane
3 years ago

Hahaha! A yougov poll: oh the shock.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago

Supermarket workers must be wondering what all the fuss is about

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

YouGov, the trustworthy pollster. I wonder if they gave a figure of 71% anywhere in their ‘study’?

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
3 years ago

Too far, too fast.? Not amongst my circle of friends. This bizarre cult of ‘safety-ism’, of ‘stopping the spread’ is still alive and well amongst those who think you can micromanage the effects of an airborne virus. It is absurd, but shows the forces at work in decision making, and the appeasement of the dooms-dayers. Maybe they think the Government should buy the a new sofa, so they can hide behind it.

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RW
RW
3 years ago

There’s something seriously wrong with the political system of a country when the general secretary of a public-sector (workers) union feels entitled to demand that members of the general population are to be punished with house arrest if a technical analysis determined that their bodys are probably contaminated with unauthorized RNA fragments.

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Alkanet
Alkanet
3 years ago

At a funeral today I was the only unmasked among 7 others, apart from the vicar in a perspex shielded box and the undertakers who I didn’t particularly notice one way or the other. Most also used the hand gunk on entering and leaving the chapel. Made me wonder if the person in the coffin was also masked.
Yes, many people want and are prepared for this to go on forever and think the PM has lost his mind.

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beornwulf
beornwulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

It’s the Stockholm Syndrome. I’m also convinced there must be people who sleep with the damn things covering their faces. I suggest a prize for the first candid photo proving it.

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bertieboy
bertieboy
3 years ago

Sage is dominated by behavioural psychologists – how they can possibly advise on this is beyond me
it’s a mystery (?) that most of the world renown scientists at the top of their game have been silenced and we listen to psychologists one of whom is a communist
we rely on a test to tell us we are ill from a deadly virus that we wouldn’t know we had unless we’d tested for it using a test that’s generally cycled at 40-45 in the UK a test that’s not fit for purpose and whose creator deemed was not to be used for diagnosis in this way
if we get rid of these ‘tests’ the ‘deadly virus’ will disappear
the more we test the more we find if we tested for morons we’d find plenty of them!

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beornwulf
beornwulf
3 years ago

Yet another dubious poll of what – 4451 people, in a country of 67 million. What exactly were the questions and how were the select few chosen? I remember a previous splash across the pages of the Daily Fail, exclaiming that Brits supported the vaccination of children. That was based on all of 1007 people. Perhaps we should poll another thousand or so to see if we should declare war on Russia.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago

The idea of overloading an economic/governmental structure until it collapses, thereby allowing a rebuilding in a (cough) ‘different form’ . . . . . .

That’s not new.

The Cloward-Piven Strategyhttps://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/clowardpiven-strategy-cps
(Warning, it’s long but damned important. Go thru to the links at the bottom of the page.)

If there is a ‘great reset’ in operation, it almost certainly knows of Cloward-Piven. The only ones who might not would be self-absorbed dickheads like Bill Gates.

NYC’s 1975 bankruptcy was created using those tactics.

The 2008 global financial crash was a product of it, going back to the creation of the Community Reinvestment Act, using the inherently-flawed sub-prime mortgage as the dynamite.

The Obama/Jarrett Presidency’s extreme genderization of the American military is Cloward-Piven applied with a different twist, one designed to lurk beneath the surface, building strength over time.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

(how th’ hay did that happen?)

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/clowardpiven-strategy-cps

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Bent polls and crazed Lefty Marxist Feminist Unions = total BS!

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APC
APC
3 years ago

I’m not sure who these idiots are. I’m reading this whilst sitting on the train heading home to north London. I’ve been to two social events this pm albeit briefly – one to welcome two new joiners to our team and the other to say goodbye to someone who has worked in our firm for 17 years (in our front of house and catering team which makes our business tick). Both bars rammed with people enjoying each other’s company – about 60-70 people in total. No dread, no fear, no discussion about covid, just a great sense of people doing what people do – enjoying each other’s company. And I loved watching it. Made me appreciate the important social function businesses like ours perform. Our office in central London is filling up, there’s are queues in the cafeteria at lunchtime now, and people talking about how much they’ve missed the company of colleagues. So who are these people the polls are calling. They’re not the people who I see every day, they’re not the clients I work with who can’t wait for face to face meetings and a return to normality. They’re not the people my business employs. Oh wait, just realised: my business is in the private sector, part of the economy that creates the taxes to pay the bloated public sector. Those are the people the pollsters are calling; not the ones who actually create wealth.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  APC

“people enjoying each other’s company”

What was the central thread of Orwell’s 1984? … The relationships between people? … What was the regime’s position toward those relationships?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  APC

I don’t think the polls are accurate but equally I don’t think your sample is representative. There are a lot of older/retired people in this country and sadly I suspect many of them are still fearful

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  APC

99-100% face masks here in Finland. You don’t say how many on your train were wearing face masks – and for this you’d need to walk the length of the train and do a count.

So, some people in a bar were without face masks. Great, if you want to spend the rest of your life in a ‘rammed bar’.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago

For those interested in the data, 84.76% of deaths in the last 4 weeks were among the vaccinated. 84.6% of the over 12’s are vaccinated with at least 2 doses.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

This is very similar to a ponzi scheme, still a lot of money up for grabs

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sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
3 years ago

A dodgy positive test is not a twatting infection. I want to rip my face off I am so angry at the lockdown lovers grrrrrrrrrrrr.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago

It’s so stupidly funny. I went to another site for a few minutes, then came back. It looks like someone came in here and began down-dinging, working fast and straight down the page.

Awwwww … th’ little child’s feelings were SO hurt. Awwwwwwww.

C’mon, down-ding this one, too.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

It’s such a revealing thing to do and relfects the kind of irrationality we face when trying to make arguments to these brainwashed zombies. Wait till he/she/it learns about sock puppets.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

“The Web” is a place where anything can come.

Unfortunately, Tim Berners-Lee didn’t realize that back in the Eighties.

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

The last word on Covid IFR (Infection Fatality Rate). Fantastic article.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2022/02/10/some-observations-on-the-infection-fatality-rate-of-covid19/

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
3 years ago

One word…..🤔……bollox

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Ooh! Will it pass the naughty test?

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

I’m saying nothing….

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EppingBlogger
EppingBlogger
3 years ago

There will be no cost to public sector staff as a result of Covid. Their salaries will be inflation protected, their pensions are already inflation protected and they will not lose their jobs.

Their employer (the government) is incapable of enforcing working rules so they will continue to do as much as they want and to direct policy in ways that suit them.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
3 years ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

The majority of public sector workers are not well paid (I think it’s roughly £27k on average). The majority of them have not had a significant (above 1%) pay rise in around a decade. The Government has done nothing but screw over their workers for over a decade. They have tried to diminish the pensions. Tried to cut the terms and conditions. Increased working hours and tried to reduce the redundancy rate to 3 weeks for every year worked up to 15 years maximum. Now senior civil servants are mostly cowardly, self interested, greasy pole climbers but lower grade – by that I mean AA to grade 6 are just normal people trying to get by who have no interest in self interest and are as utterly pissed off with this shit show as everyone else is.

as for doing what they want. That’s simply not true either. There is a large volume of staff who can’t return to the office full time because some buildings have been sold off or leased out and the Government has actually FORCED hybrid working on their staff through stealth cut backs. Everyone is paying the horrific price for what the Government did. Everyone that is except the millionaire Politicians, their bastard SPADS and all the other lackeys who never get picked up for wrecking lives.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  bringbacksanity

And the majority (actually all) of public sector workers are free to seek better paid work in the private sector…….and yet they don’t. Now why would that be?

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Maza
Maza
3 years ago

Just as “poppy fascist” has entered the lexicon in the UK to describe the nasty culture of bullying directed by some towards those who choose not to wear a poppy, so too should “vaccine fascist” enter the lexicon. Words have power.

Whenever someone calls me an “anti vaxxer” I call them a “vaccine fascist”. I’m not normally into name calling, but have found this particular retort surprisingly effective at stopping them in their tracks with a taste of their own medicine. Try it out, you’ll see what I mean, they do back peddle some and don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

Another I quite like is “virtue vaxxer” – those who are oh-so virtuous about having had the jab. Same result, often. Several times I’ve been asked with disgust “You’re not an anti vaxxer are you?” to which I reply in kind, “You’re not a virtue vaxxer are you?” They then ask for a definition and once received tend to back peddle once more.

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago

I seem to recall an early episode of ‘Peaky Blinders’ where communists in workforce unions were seen as a threat to our national security.

How have we arrived at a point, almost a century on from the fictional drama, where long term members of the British Communist Party, aka Susan Michie, are advising the government on policy?

And more to the point, why the hell were / are they listening to them?

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fionn.dunne
fionn.dunne
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

According to the press, BJ’s announcement about the ‘end’ of restrictions this month was done without reference to SAGE at all! Significant progress maybe. I do hope so. As indeed I hope that the allegedly upcoming review of Govt policy on covid will recognise the heinous failure and incompetence of SAGE and PHE in killing tens of thousands in care homes / hospitals nearly two years ago through both acts of commission and omission.

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ellie-em
ellie-em
3 years ago

“The Prime Minister’s Press Secretary said businesses would be given a “wide range of guidance” on how to treat employees following the removal of the Covid self-isolation requirement.”

One of the hallmarks of the rogue government has been to deflect blame and criticism of their policies onto others by shifting responsibility. So they are shifting responsibilities to employers but providing ‘advice’ on how responsible employers can protect the workforce.
No doubt that advice will include that employers should make it compulsory for current and future employees to be injected according to the vagaries of coerced vaccination schedules. In addition, the unjabbed who have been prejudged as being guilty of transmitting disease, will now have to personally fund the testing mechanisms to prove they are fit to work, on a repetitive, costly basis. The only way out of this financial dilemma will be that the unjabbed lose their uninjected status and conform to employment policy aka rogue government charter.
Most probably, the health status of employees families ie whether unjabbed and therefore seen as disease-ridden undesirables, will also eventually influence the deployment of staff, in the best interests of the workforce to minimise poor health.
I suspect there will be some type of government grant allowed to employers who take such a keen interest in the health and well-being of their workforce and the greater community.

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3 years ago

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

Call me old fashioned, but what was wrong with staying at home if you feel ill ( with anything)? The unions are desperate to be significant and will stoop to fearmongering ( learnt from SAGE, etc.) to be influential. We should scrap the use of PCR as a diagnostic tool and bin LFTs ( and save the planet from plastics in the process!). Members of the public need to learn to think a bit more and not be led around by the nose by highly educated idiots and malevolent wrongdoers.

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
3 years ago

A teacher I know is gutted. She lives in an extended family unit. At Christmas, she told me she had worked out how to get six weeks off isolating on full pay, as each if her family members would test positive on lateral flow. I asked her didn’t her boss mind? oh no, she said, he’s in the same union and is really supportive of anyone isolating anytime, no questions asked.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Love these poll results that take the responses of a few thousand of extrapolate out to tens of millions. Sooooo credible.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

The polls are probably done in an office of 10 people – 1 person = 10%.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
3 years ago

You Gov question:

Would you rather self isolate forever, or be executed in five minutes time?

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago

It would be interesting to see exactly how the questions were stated.

Also as it was Unison members questioned who are mainly public employees they will receive full pay if they are ‘off sick’ with a dodgy test.

I have banged on about the flamin’ tests or a long time – it is time stop them completely.

If some nutter is desperate to self test then let them pay for it.

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Jack Daw
Jack Daw
3 years ago

I don’t trust YouGov polls it tends to attract people from the left, you can see this from their comments.
I suspect if the Daily Sceptic did a poll, I suspect the results would be the polar opposite.

It’s no surprise the public sector want to carry on with lockdowns, restrictions etc, they will be on full pay regardless and have no danger of losing their jobs.

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Jack Daw
Jack Daw
3 years ago

If this survey was a fair reflection of public opinion, it shows how effective the government’s scare tactics have been to scare the weak-minded into submission. Problem is, they will need to spend a shed load of money now on a counter narrative to get them to come out of hiding.
The government should have considered the likely outcomes of their actions from the start, but of course a long term strategy was outside their planning abilities. They are now in another hole of their own making. Ye sow, so shall ye reap.

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ellie-em
ellie-em
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Daw

The government don’t want the submissive to come out of hiding. The government depends on the submissive to keep the narrative going – the will of the people.

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Less government
Less government
3 years ago

Endless holidays become rather addictive.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago

Time to demand that the likes of Spector must declare their financial interests, and stop shelling out for opinion polls traders.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

Unions have 2 default functions: getting more money for their members and getting their members to do less work; ideally both at the same time. It’s hardly a surprise that they are mainly in the public sector and that they are crying “the sky is falling”

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TheEngineer
TheEngineer
3 years ago

Trade unions; simply another cohort of the enemy within. Perhaps we should also add the gullible to that group. Life comes with risks; they need to accept that and stop pandering to the aspiring fat controllers.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be nice if the Uk just followed the science rather than take advice from a biased group of people. We now know so much more about covid, the plandemic and the experimental biologicals that are offering not a soupçon of effectiveness. But hey, let’s just keep following bought scientists from bought institutions and let’s all lock ourselves in the closet at home forever.

any mention of the sudden advice from the scientist Harry (previously known as prince), for everyone to get a HIV test. Wow, didn’t see that coming. Remember the rumour that hiv was inserted into the fur in cleavage of the man made covid virus,when it was made at fort Derrick? Luc Montagnier, the Professor, expert in HIV, died two days ago. No longer around to discuss his thoughts…..so here we go folks. Remember PCR tests and the inventor of this test,Kary Mullins, who said PCR tests should not be used for viruses such as covid especially at high cycle threshold. Guess what? He died about a month before covid took over the world. I am certain these deaths are just coincidental, like all the adverse events and deaths post vaccinations.

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sskinner
sskinner
3 years ago

You can have a Pol or you can have science. You can’t have both.
“Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance” – Plato
“The State, in choosing men to serve it, takes no notice of their opinions; if they be willing faithfully to serve it – that satisfies. I advised you formerly to bear with men of different minds from yourself” – O. Cromwell

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bowlsman
bowlsman
3 years ago

The graphic tells us all the cost. HMG tell us the NPI”s were a great success and we had the greatest growth last year since 1941.
Somebody is clearly tell lies.
Wonder who??

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

As a FOIA request discovered, the UK’s 150,953 deaths reported is highly misleading, with at least an order of magnitude fewer only having covid on the death certificate, and the large uncertainty of the ’28 days following a positive test’ meaning death could be from a myriad of other causes. The country comparisons also need levelling out to a per-capita number. [Note: In Uttar Pradesh in India, they deployed Ivermectin via a ‘Test & Treat’ programme, and with an ~6% vaccination rate, have declared the state covid-free.]

Also, the unions have to understand that (1) we can never be free of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and (2) ‘isolating’ is just the scary political term for being ‘off sick’, which is normal behaviour when ill, regardless of cause.

And it must be asked, why haven’t the unions jumped on the knowledge that there are safe and effective therapeutics, that work within 48 hours of first symptoms, and enable natural immunity to develop – a combination far far better and safer for their ‘members’ than the vaccines. It’s as if they want people to suffer.

Last edited 3 years ago by SimCS
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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

As soon as I saw the words ”Yougov poll” I stopped reading.

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hilarynw
hilarynw
3 years ago

Looks like most people are their own worst enemy. They look to the state to protect them instead of taking responsibility for their own health. Heaven help us if we ever get a genuine serious pandemic!

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Gdog
Gdog
3 years ago

Those yougov polls are a propaganda fix!!

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misslawbore
misslawbore
3 years ago
Reply to  Gdog

Polls are easily manipulated. Referenda even with oversight can be too but less easily and are the only way forward for democracies

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
3 years ago

After two years of relentless fear propaganda led by Boris Johnson , it is little wonder that a Prime Minister, who has not exactly covered himself in glory, is having difficulty getting the proposed easing of rules to stick. I fear that we may have created two nations, but not Disraeli’s version, actually it is three. The first closely resembles pre March 2020 normality, the second is a jobsworth’s paradise and the third is full of neurotic health obsessives who believe that the end of the world is nigh. We are in quite a fix. So what is to be done? Ideas on a postcard please.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Frost

Withdraw taxpayer funding from sectors two and three. Job done.

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barrywinn
barrywinn
3 years ago

Where on earth do they get these poll results? Everyone I know wants all measures to stop NOW!

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Peter W
Peter W
3 years ago

Of course SAGE say it’s too soon, after all they’ve always been correct with their guesswork. The Unions don’t want normal service resuming – work at work and all teachers behaving less like the children they have frightened. Where they think their future cosy pensions will come from without a fully functioning society I have no idea.

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TheRightToArmBears
TheRightToArmBears
3 years ago

Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well in charge of the sheeple.

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Bobby Lobster
Bobby Lobster
3 years ago

So, three-quarters of “those polled” want stupid restrictions to continue, and unions want to destroy the economy. Lazy sods wanting to be paid to stay home forever, and unions wanting a party to run the country which is even more socialist than Johnson?

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

I’m 58 years old, still never been questioned by opinion pollsters. Humm. Never done jury service. never been stopped by a TV crew in the street…

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lojolondon
lojolondon
3 years ago

IGNORE THE POLLS – they are fake.
Heaven alone knows where YouGov finds people who want top continue lockdown in such one-sided numbers – because that does not in any way reflect the conversations I have with my friends, family or peers.

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QuickDrawMcGraw
QuickDrawMcGraw
3 years ago

YouGov poll! yeah right! Complete load of bollocks!! (legitimate word, not profanity). Everybody I know is sick of all this nonsense, even former lockdown lovers who I know have had enough of it!

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

“So, other countries might be doing this, but they have a much stronger public health message and a much better-educated public”

Meanwhile in Germany the argument is “the Brits may be doing this, but they are totally different, more vaccinated etc.” Sound familiar?

Last edited 3 years ago by rayc
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John David
John David
3 years ago

Tim Spector of the Zoe project is only worried about one thing and it’s losing the huge amounts of government grants he’s been getting running into millions of pounds. He doesn’t do irony by making statements about politics v science.

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crosscat
crosscat
3 years ago

Can I suggest that more people do what I did – register to do the YouGov Daily questionnaire so that our voices can be heard. I did the poll referenced at the top and was horrified so many wanted isolation to continue forever. There is always a comments box at the end of the survey where you can write freehand, which I always do! There is then the chance to rate other people’s comments- I only did this once as I don’t have the stomach for it!

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

I am one who thinks ending the removal of restrictions is correct and I’m sure there are many scientists who agree, but will never have their voices heard because of MSM control. If people are sensible and restrict their activities when they have symptoms as they normally would with a bad cold or influenza then things should be fine. The unions want to support their members who have enjoyed having multiple excuses for not working when in many instances there is nothing wrong with them.

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Newman20
Newman20
3 years ago

What sensible person gives a flying f*** what unions and scientists think or say?

The former a bunch of left-wing woke layabouts and the latter under the thumb of the WEF and the obnoxious Klaus Swhwab.

Tell the lot of them to bugger off.

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