Up to 8,700 patients died within 28 days after catching Covid while in hospital for another medical problem, according to NHS data provided by the hospitals themselves. University Hospitals Birmingham is the trust which has recorded the highest number of hospital-acquired Covid infections, as well as the highest number of deaths from Covid caught in hospital. The Guardian has the story.
NHS leaders and senior doctors have long claimed hospitals have struggled to stop Covid spreading because of shortages of single rooms, a lack of personal protective equipment and an inability to test staff and patients early in the pandemic.
Now, official figures supplied by NHS trusts in England show that 32,307 people have probably or definitely contracted the disease while in hospital since March 2020 – and 8,747 of them died.
That means that almost three in 10 (27.1%) of those infected that way lost their lives within 28 days.
The Guardian obtained the data under freedom of information laws from 81 of England’s 126 acute hospital trusts.
The responses show that every trust had to grapple with what doctors call nosocomial or hospital-acquired infection. Many hospitals were unable to keep Covid-positive patients separate from those without the disease, which led to its lethal transmission.
According to the FoI responses, University Hospitals Birmingham trust had the highest number of deaths (408), followed by Nottingham University Hospitals (279) and Frimley Health (259). Nine trusts had 200 or more deaths.
However, the numbers of deaths are influenced by factors such as a hospital’s size, number of single rooms and capacity of its intensive care unit, and the makeup of its local population and level of infection among them, as well as weaknesses in infection control procedures.
At a handful of trusts, about a third of all people who died after catching Covid had become infected in hospital. They include Royal Cornwall hospitals (36%), Salisbury (35.2%) and Kettering general hospital (31.2%).
The answers provided to the Guardian reveal that the 8,747 who died were all in hospital for another reason, such as treatment for a fall, flare-up of a serious illness, or to have an operation.
The figures include people who died in hospital and after discharge. They do not distinguish between those who died of Covid, with Covid or of another condition potentially exacerbated by the virus, such as a heart attack.
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Is it possible to have an international comparison?
How did the wonder of the world do when compared to all the other countries of the world which aren’t lucky enough to be blessed with an NHS?
How embarrassing.. isn’t Nottingham Unvi Hosp Trusts (2nd deadliest NHS Trust) Jonathan Van Tamm’s Home base?
I happen to know that they were crying out for PPE in the early days but were suppressed and threatened with job losses.
Note bene: missing from that Midlands hall of shame are the Hospital trusts who reached out to their local factories to make them PPE. #justsayin’
The elderly father of a friend of mine went into hospital last year with a bad water infection- he tested negative for covid before being admitted – he was kept in for a few days and before he was release day he had another covid test – this time he tested positive and was kept in for that reason – the weeks went past – isolated and unable to see much of his family – his general health deteriorated after that – sadly he passed away – only one family member (his daughter) was allowed to visit him before his death.
I’m so sorry that we live in a State that treats its citizens like a number rather a human being. It’s inexcusable no matter what.
So did his ‘positive’ test turn out to be accurate? Or was he another false-posiitive victim, kept isolated in hospital for no good reason?
Disgusting but not surprising. Presumably they didn’t treat him with ivermectin or anything else?
Mind you way before covid there were nosocomial infections and some hospitals were worse than others.
Someone came up with a good notion – it was after they ripped out the old Victorian brasswork and replaced them with stainless steel and plastic that infection control went down the tubes – the copper in the brass is a surface antibiotic
All hail, mighty NHS, our protector against the deadly pandemic.It was worth leaving people to die of such unimportant things as cancer, so that sufferers from deadly Covid could be so successfully treated. And worth locking up the whole population to make sure that people couldn’t get infected with Covid. All those lives saved. Let’s go out and bloody clap them, why don’t we?
“After catching covid”? Don’t you mean “after testing positive for covid”, whatever that means? How many of these deaths occurred because of hospital covid protocols such as having to move patients who test positive, additional PPE (and anxiety) for staff working on so-called covid wards, fear in patients testing positive, social isolation, staff sickness etc etc etc.? It’s more likely that these patients were more likely to die because of fear, neglect and mismanagement. Well done NHS.
Yes it makes for good headlines, but when you think it through, it’s just another dose of fear porn based on bullshit science. It’s the kind of article that would get a Guardian reader feeling reassured that they haven’t sacrificed their entire existence on Earth for no good reason, because Covid really is the super killer it was always touted to be. Except it isn’t. Guardian readers are like the Kings of the Covid Fanatics. I met one quite a way in to the scamdemic who was essentially telling me I was being paranoid to even suggest that anything had even really changed since the rollout of Event Covid, at least 6 months after it all kicked off. He was so mind controlled, it was creepy as f. When he started saying this stuff about nothing going on, nothing had changed, I asked him if he read the Guardian, as I’ve had some practice in identifying their bizarre mindset. It was a direct strike. Guardianista! He looked like a pretty cool guy too, but under the bonnet, just a load of Guardianised mush. I’ll never forget it.
Jesus Christ, Toby Young’s little “tame opposition” shitbox is really going into overdrive these days, isn’t it? The fascists in charge must really be upping his fees for damage-control services now that the big lie they sustained for a year and a half is finally looking exhausted.
Yesterday – and again today, I see – Lockdown Shitlickers was pushing the “It came from a Wuhan lab” lie. Now they are literally republishing lies from the fucking Guardian!
Imagine letting mendacious shite like this pass without comment:
“Now, official figures supplied by NHS trusts in England show that 32,307 people have probably or definitely contracted the disease while in hospital since March 2020 – and 8,747 of them died.
That means that almost three in 10 (27.1%) of those infected that way lost their lives within 28 days.”
Is the readership of this idiots hugbox really now of an average IQ so low that they honestly don’t smell the stench off that?
I suppose a fair percentage of you really do read that and trot off down the sheeple morons’ road The Guardian want to send you down of “tut tut bad show Johnson and Hancock, hospitals very badly run, so many lives unnecessarily lost…”
But surely a four-year-old child can see that nobody “lost their lives” from catching COVID.
All these figures show is that a third of the patients registered as “dying of COVID” in UK hospitals didn’t die of COVID at all – and I’m sure that is a huge underestimate. They may indeed have picked up this trivial little bug in hospital but they died of the serious condition that they’d been admitted to hospital for in the first place.
That is the story here: that the media lie and lie and lie and don’t stop lying.
But note that on the site run by this belly-crawling fascist lickspittle Toby Young this lying propaganda is actually passed on as if it were news.
Come and read and post here if you want, kiddies, but don’t delude yourself that Lockdown Sceptics is some sort of “oppositional” forum. It’s about as “oppositional” as Good Morning Britain.
Maybe they did die of Covid……as in they tested positive and got fast-tracked to a ventilator which finished them off, after going in to get some stitches for a nasty cut on their finger from a kitchen accident.
Huff and puff. No one disagrees with you. But your tone is obnoxious.
It most certainly is.
If Toby, who saved our sanity last year and is now working to bolster it, is pro-Fascist, what on earth are we to say about the MSM?
He was employed to “save your sanity” by the people who are out to destroy it because – and I’m surprised you haven’t learned this by now after watching them work this last 18 months – these people are carefully and coldly calculating Machiavellians and not the silly-ass public-schoolboy Champagne Charlies they want us to take them for.
That means they always have back-up weapons and strategies to take over when their first-line weapons and strategies are out of commission or out of ammunition.
The Toby Youngs, the Tucker Carlsons, the Rand Pauls, the Peter Hitchenses are the “back-up weapons” and the “back-up strategy” is getting fools like you to listen to and believe in these “trusted sources” – all “good men and true”, proven “enemies of lies, pomposity and groupthink” – when the self-contradictory propagandistic nonsense being spewed by the first line of “trusted sources” – the Polly Toynbees and the Keir Starmers and so on – is just getting too laughable for even the sheeple to swallow.
Toby Young – just like the other second-line globalist puppets I’ve listed – never spoke out the one simple basic truth about this that is the absolute key and precondition for speaking any truth about it: that there is no virus, that the whole thing was just media and government invention from day one, with perfectly normal winter hospitalization and mortality rates among the very old and frail being misportrayed as something “catastrophic”: a “pandemic”.
If you don’t begin from that, then nothing else you say matters. You’re on a road to the point that Young has reached now: uncritically republishing Guardian articles that continue to misname thousands of deaths from cancer, senile pneumonia etc, as “lives lost to COVID”
Absolutely get what you’re saying. You could almost say the people running this site are nothing more than ‘Safety Valves’ in order for us not to explode.
But, better off down here in the ‘Comments’ [which was what always attracted me in the first place] where we can ‘gas’, and get away from the ‘gaslighting’ surely. I’m certainly up for some other even better sites, if you’ve got some to recommend !!
My entire family had covid with varying degrees of sickness and all recovered well, except for me. I am left with some lung damage and tachycardia, so you’re wrong that there ‘is no virus’. But I agree that it’s been well-overblown for the government’s globalist political aims, when it should have been just ‘a bad year for the flu’. I was just unlucky, as a few always are each year, often entered as pheumonia but this time put down as covid.
Having done much research, we know that we have all acquired T-cell immunity and cannot catch it again, no matter how much they (and many health workers) have been programmed to believe otherwise. We also know that if we submit to vaccination, the vaccine will immediately begin to destroy our T-cells and therefore our naturally-acquired immunity.
Where is ‘Biker’ in our our of need !
Yes surely the point is they didn’t “die of Covid”. They tested positive for it, according to a defective test which should never have been used for diagnosis. They died of something else. Why are we still having to go over this? As wonderful as Toby and this site are, they do tend to keep regurgitating the same old narrative.
“this lying propaganda is actually passed on as if it were news.” Don’t be silly. We can all see that people mostly died with rather than of covid, thanks; no need to have a tantrum or state the bleedin’ obvious. It was clear from early on that age is a significant comorbidity and that classic public health strategy (where the most vulnerable should have been shielded) was abandoned. Although there is much to criticise about UK gov’s handling, that policy failure must be attributed to the medical advice. As to Toby and this sceptics site, I applaud his courage, tenacity, impact and work ethic throughout this Johnson-Hanock period of lunacy. As to Alexander Reynolds……well, sorry, never heard of him. What has Reynolds done for the cause of lockdown scepticism? Do tell.
Agree, stating the bleeding’ obvious indeed.
You say, ‘mendacious shite pass like this pass without comment”…..err what are we doing then? I could understand your rant better if this was the actual Guardian you were replying to. If you don’t want to read what the MSM are writing, and comment on it why are you here?
Yes yes it’s fun writing things like “belly-crawling fascist lickspittle” – makes you feel significant doesn’t it – but then you have to justify it. In what way is Toby Young a “fascist”? The hysterical leftists’ go-to catch-all, you’re a “fascist” if you don’t comply with whatever sentimental idealistic crap is on their nasty little clipboard that day. Horrible creatures.
‘the big lie they sustained for a year and a half is finally looking exhausted.’
Like that
“The Guardian has the story.”
Say no more.
Undoubtedly nosocomial infection has been a major problem. It always is. But diagnosis?
No mention of hospital air conditioning systems and the lack of windows that open. I am convinced this is how civid circulates in modern hospitals, no amount of spacing would stop the virus if it is the air.
Same in all these horrible modern buildings that put you in a stew of foul air and clamp on the lid.
Yes Annie,
I have thought for many years, that kindergartens/schools, aircraft/commuter trains and hospitals are to be avoided during flu seasons.
Remember our idiots in government have sanctioned covid tests as being gold standard, they’re obviously not.
When gold standard tests seeking a human respiratory disease find positive results in cokacola, engine oil, pawpaw fruit and goats, even a fool can see the tests are flawed or useless.
If they’re gold standard,I’m Rumpelstiltskin.
Yes. James Delingpole’s recent interview with Reiner Fuellmich discusses this.
I’m not entirely sure what to make of this… the claims seem to hinge on how asymptomatic transmission actually exists:
Was there a lack of ppe? Perhaps at the very beginning but this would’ve meant Medics caught it, and then perhaps passed it on whilst pre-symptomatic.
Was there a lack of single rooms? Well they built the Nightingale hospitals and commandeered many other wards and private hospitals.
Was there an inability to test staff and patients? I don’t see any need for testing of symptomless people full stop.
I think I would need to compare it to how many of these patients were likely to die soon anyway, and also how many of them would typically die in any year of catching ‘flu in hospital.
Why only 9,000 when most estimates of hospital acquired infection are over 20% of the total?
That puzzled me too! If 127k have died with Covid why only 9k from nosocomial sources?
Not all hospitals responded to the FOI request (only 80 0f 127). It is not unlikely that the ones with the worst records would want to keep quiet about it.
so the numbers quoted are pointless then
How many of these deaths would have been prevented if early treatment with HCQ+Zinc or Ivermectin would have been permitted? These prophylactic and early CV19 onset treatments are still banned in the UK yet are being used very successfully around the world!
Or just supplementing with Vitamin D. Long article, but really good https://blog.cytoplan.co.uk/vitamin-d-reduces-covid-19-mortality-and-serious-illness-an-integrated-approach-to-evidence/
Total rubbish
Michael, now is not the time to waiver I want you out on your doorstep clapping Thursday
I will send a covid marshmallow around to check you are complying
I look forward to that doctor coming forward and saying “actually it was we doctors who have blood on our hands. Sorry guys.”
I await the upcoming report from The Arry Shipman Institute
I think there is something in this
I was admitted to hospital in April last year
I had been on a pro lockdown march when someone grabbed my we love Matt placard and struck me with it
The TSG added a good kicking just to put the tin hat on it and I was rushed to A&E at the Lenin University Hospital
On arrival at hospital I tested negative for covid
The following day I tested positive
I then spent 742 weeks on the covid ward before expiring just as Gina Lollobrigida was bringing the Christmas presents around
What pain relief did they provide?Sounds very effective ,or were you on the psilocybin trial?
TSG don’t do pain relief
This is priceless.
This purely feeds into the Theatre of Covid, ‘muzzles’, ‘sanitising seventeen times a day’, ‘anti social distancing; and, the whole lot of us being on the cusp of death !! How many punters and staff die in hospitals [in England alone], every year without a positive PCR test ? [My god, all this Dying has to stop!]!! Plus, you got to take into account the Grauniad’s swollen rhetoric and pernicious semanticism: the huge death toll it has exacted, ‘poorly prepared for the pandemic’ ‘Indian variant’ [slung in there,too] and, the favourite of the misinformed, misinformationist/propagandist, dumb-assed half-wits, [who want debate seriously censored], that old chestnut: asymptomatic spreading. Oops, lest we forget: preparing for a ‘third wave’ or is it a ‘Third Reich’, I can’t quite remember. They’re not doing too badly, [governmemt departments] considering that so much of this ‘charade’ is now played ‘on the hoof’, ‘ad hoc’ and, virtually, any old psycho-shit that Sage can trot out, using all the usual suspects… All fun and games, ’till someone loses an Eye !!
I see that a staggering 3 people died of covid yesterday (I wonder how old they were) and that there were 900 people in hospital with the killer disease. Bearing in mind there are nearly 2000 hospitals in the UK so there is less than half a person per hospital.
But we must keep the fear going.
Died WITH a positive covid test: not the same thing at all!
Meanwhile total deaths have plunged, which puts covid numbers however fudged well down in the noise
Even the Roman military knew how to manage infectious diseases in their equivalent of quarantine / isolation hospitals and their design of healthcare facilities:
“Hygiene and sanitation were regularly practiced in all
military encampments, especially hospitals. Roman
physicians took steps to reduce sepsis and separated sick
and wounded soldiers in the hospital wards to minimize
contagious from spreading among patients. In the event
of epidemics, isolation wards were set up in tents near the
hospital. Roman army camps were situated near streams
or rivers, away from marshes, swamps and standing
water. The hospital bath area was attached to a
gymnasium for exercises or massages.21 A complex
system of drains and sewers emptied into streams, rivers.
Drinking water for soldiers and animals were taken from
water upstream or separate from the waterway used for
latrines. Wooden seats for latrines which were dug to a
depth of ten feet were situated over the main sewer
running round three sides of the building to discourage
disease-carrying insects. A smaller channel of water, fed
from the water tank was for washing sponges dipped in a
mixture of water and acetum (vinegar) were used as toilet
paper. Latrines also had basins for washing hands.22 The
Romans often recycled bath water by using it as part of
the flow that flushed the latrines. Sanitation facilities The
Roman army took great care to construct sanitary
facilities and segregate them from water, food supplies
and dining areas. When water was in short supply lime
pits were used in the latrines. Roman physicians
recognized that fomites could spread disease. They
washed clothing, blankets, woven materials and saddles
before recovered soldiers returned to active duty”
Valentine John Belfiglio
Texas Woman’s University
Why were the Nightingale hospitals not used to ensure separation of infectious patients? When were the last UK quarantine hospitals closed? Witton Isolation Hospital (for Smallpox) was closed in 1966.
Exactly. A general upgrade in living conditions. Better sanitation. Clean drinking water. All that any Civilisation, Culture, Milieu – at any stage of the game – ever required ! Not vaccinating the entire fucking population of the World, already !!
Cue ‘What did the Romans ever do for us?’!
All 14,183 members of my extended family died of asymptomatic covid
Up to 700 of them were vaccinated post mortem and survived
I have planted a brightly coloured plastic memorial windmill for each one of them in the local park
A lot of the NHS problems are due to some of their staff being pig ignorant and believing they’re working in an organisation that is the “envy of the world” and thus those idiots who bugger up their tik tok dancing schedules should do as they’e told and be bloody grateful they’ve spared some of their valuable, heroic time to deal with us – the people who pay their wages.
Yesterday I had to visit my local major hospital in Exeter. The first appointment was for an ultrasound . I was masked as per the hospotal’s ‘otherwise entry will be forbidden’ instructions.
The radiologist was in her 30s/40s with a face mask and a plastic screen.
A couple of very quick questions would have elicited the facts of where I lived, my vaccination status (x 2, no ill effects) and that I’ve been on 2 symptoms tracking apps since my negative PCR test in May 2019. All of which would have informed this numpty that there was zero chance of me infecting her; even putting aside the total uselessness of masks! I was biven this order 4 times in a 10 minute consultation.
But no, she was much happier instructing me to “put your mask up over your nose please”, even before I’d even noticed it had dropped. The “please” was in the tone used by the police asking you to move before a baton charge. Was this my first sighting of the Covid Anxiety Syndrome?
The second appointment was with a consultant, for 1 hour, wearing one mask which was always just below his nose!
I mentioned my radiology experience and the attending nurse in the Consultant’s clinic knew exactly who I was referring to! If I was her occupational therapist, I would advise her to find another line of work, where her paranoia didn’t impact on her customers.
Round and around we go.
The only single, critical and yet totally missing figure is How old and How sick were these people before the alleged contracting of “covid” ??
There will be no answer forthcoming.
Again and again the misinformation peddlers deliberately omit the basic essential information.
I guess this story presents a bit of a conundrum for some of the regulars here. It is from the Guardian and it suggests that a) Covid tests mean something b) people die of Covid – so clearly it is false. On the other hand it criticises the NHS and the government handling of the pandemic. So clearly it is true.
Pan Bangers Unite to ‘protect’ them…oh FFS… what might have been done with all that money they found on that Magic Money Tree a year or so back? If it had been spent on their grailinesses at the NHS we could all look forward to ensuite rooms whilst in hospital, with one on one personal private nurses, personal room cleaning lady-man, Michelin star meals delivered by your own personal chef. Possibly private helicopter ride to the hospital in overcrowded areas where the limolulance couldn’t get through; add to that your very own personal paramedic carers en route. But no. They just had to share the fruits of the magic money tree with their favorite pub landlord and close friends, distant relatives, and some especially needy family members/pets. Ever thought you were in the wrong job?
“Your Life in Their…greedy great paws.”
The very least we should expect> Anything thing on top of that would be a Bonus !!
Strange, especially with the chat going down in Israel – prophylactics being used early on – and with the controversial [not] vaccine trials, and general police state that is the ‘Promised land’… anyway, the Doctors went on strike there, for a month, [years back] and the death rate for that month stopped plummeting, markedly. this has been done several times in different Countries – with the very same results. Gosh! Keep these sharks outta the mix, and people decide to carry on living; build these hospitals, and they will come – sorta deal. Death by Doctors is up on the list of Killer diseases; like stroke, cancer, heart attack [top 3 or 5, it varies]. But hospitals do death, big time. Iatrogenesis: Hospital/Doctor induced disease; malpractice; misdiagnosis; over prescription of drugs and medical negligence of all sorts, is very much up there on the anual mortality scoreboards! And hey, why would it stop now. We’ve got the ideal scenario for it, up and running, right now… Knock yourselves out, citizens !!
I had a friend some years ago who worked in a medical practice. She told me that she was told by one of the doctors that “they bury their mistakes”.