Yesterday I wrote about the latest study from Public Health England that claims to show the vaccines are up to 90% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid infection in the over-65s, highlighting some shortcomings.
There was one aspect of the data that I didn’t comment on that is worth flagging up. The authors presented graphs showing how many people were being tested and testing positive according to how many days before or after their jab their symptoms began (all the tests in this study were on people with symptoms, the symptoms likely having prompted them to get a Covid test).
There are a few notable points about these graphs. The steep drop-off in tests ahead of the jab may be due to people deferring their vaccination when they get symptoms (Government guidance is that you should not have the jab if you are unwell), or it may be people with symptoms not getting tested because they don’t want to have to cancel their jab.
The big spike in tests in the day or two after the AstraZeneca jab (ChAdOx1-S) is probably people being tested after getting Covid-like side-effects from the vaccination.
Note the high positivity rate (yellow bars) in the days after each jab. This confirms the post-vaccination infection spike (though some of it may be Covid caught prior to the injection that subsequently becomes symptomatic).
However, the main point I want to draw attention to here is how many people with symptomatic Covid are getting vaccinated. The bars in the seven days prior to vaccination represent thousands of people with Covid-like symptoms who go on to get vaccinated, many while still symptomatic. The orange bars represent hundreds of people with PCR-confirmed symptomatic COVID-19, many of them with symptoms beginning in the two days immediately prior to the jab, who go on to get vaccinated anyway. This is despite Government guidance that people who are unwell, particularly with COVID-19, should be deferring their vaccinations. In addition to this, some of those thousands of people whose Covid symptoms begin on the day of the jab or in the days immediately following might have been pre-symptomatically infectious.
It has been suggested that the post-vaccination infection spike may be driven by the vaccination programmes spreading the virus. (Another plausible mechanism is that the vaccines cause temporary immune suppression; these mechanisms are not mutually exclusive and both could be operating.)
Here, then, we have direct evidence that hundreds of people with symptomatic, test-positive Covid (plus potentially thousands in the infectious pre-symptomatic phase) were turning up and being vaccinated anyway. This reinforces the idea that the vaccination programmes could be spreading the virus.
It also prompts the question: why were vaccinators not following Government guidance and refusing to vaccinate those who are unwell, particularly those with symptomatic COVID-19? Could they not foresee that that would spread the virus to those being vaccinated and those doing the vaccinating?
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Perhaps the policy is to “vaccinate” poorly people anyway. A convenient way of “proving” that a viral threat still exists. Perpetuate “The Fear”, ensuring more frightened folk step forward to gratefully accept their injections?
Everyone at the vaccination cetres wears a mask. They insist on everyone coming for a jab being masked. Presumably this is because they truly believe that those masks prevent transmission. Hence they can’t conceive of their activities spreading the virus: in the official narrative, the virus is spread by the bad and the stupid, not by the saintly and masked.
Errrr….for the 100th time. It’s not about a virus.
This is interesting analysis but I still don’t think you can draw any conclusions from any data that assumes that positive PCR = “case” and that not having any symptoms is actually a symptom. It’s all too messy.
I’m a retired GP, working currently as a vaccinator.
If people with symptoms of covid are being vaccinated, it’s not because of a lack of effort to avoid it by staff. Everyone arriving at the centre is asked at the door about covid symptoms, then we vaccinators ask if the individual is well at the moment, and if they have had recent covid. It’s worrying that quite large numbers of people appear to be attending with active covid symptoms, which could well result in transmission to others.
in response to an earlier comment, we vaccinators and patients don’t wear masks because we don’t believe the vaccine works (or indeed that we believe masks help reduce transmission-I don’t as it happens) but because that’s the system and we have to-just like I had to do online training (including equality and diversity and moving and handling modules )in order to become a vaccinator despite 30+ years as a GP.
On a lighter note, I’ve had some great fun “collecting” mask efforts over the last few months. Most men wear pulled up Buffs which they obviously wear all the time around their necks. One old lady wore a diaphanous silk scarf around her chin, which she occasionally pulled up over her nose. Many disposable mask are completely manky, having been worn most days since the mask mandate last summer. Of course some make spectacular efforts. One slightly odd lady had two cloth masks and a face guard.
rather than going along with it “because that’s the system” perhaps if the medical profession, who really should know better, had pushed back on the all the stupidity of the past year and a bit we wouldn’t have had to endure the past year and a bit.
Took the words out of my mouth!
I know that members of the medical profession have “pushed back” but they, like certain MPs have been shouted down and overruled by Government and SAGE.
I’ve done all that I can reasonably do to push back against the nonsense. I don’t believe in lockdowns or masks and have made it clear. I do believe in vaccination, but am agnostic about whether we should be vaccinating those at very little risk.
As for James Delingpole, I loved his books in the past, but feel that he has lost the place now, and is doing the sceptical position no good at all. At least he works under his own name and does not hide under a pseudonym like so many.
My experience from a lot of time spent in and around hospitals during the plague year is that medical staff show no more knowledge of Covid and the data than the average punter in the street.
If GPs had applied actual knowledge, rather than just carried out orders, we would never have had barricaded surgeries a year on, and masking would have become selective in hospitals. Gunk rituals would have been abandoned, and PCR equipment would have been thrown out the window.
After so much useless ritual (and direct lying by government and abandonment of medical ethics), the only sane reaction to ‘vaccines’ is to employ a barge-pole – a sensible precautionary approach.
I couldn’t agree more with your comment re medical staff. I know some well qualified NHS people who seriously know less than me about all things Covid.
During a recent unfortunate stay in hospital, not covid related, I had five separate “discussions” with various, progressively more serious nurses explaining why I did not need a bloody covid test – no symptoms.
The apogee was explaining the nonsense of asymptomatic transmission to a cardiologist. He eventually gave up and walked away after his final comment: “I don’t want to get into a debate about this.”
The bottom line is that too many NHS staff are shockingly poorly educated and equally dreadfully ill-informed. My view of much of the “sainted” NHS is that it is disastrous. There are still pockets of goodness and quality but my experience is that it is usually confined to nursing grades. Doctors and GP’s are bordering on downright dangerous in their competency levels.
However, it’s the New Religion.
How many doctors do believe in the mask garbage?
If they do believe, why do they believe?
Retired Doctor eh? You really should know better than to be giving people these experimental gene therapies. Watch the latest Delingpod with Dr Reiner Fuellmich and learn.
I also volunteer at a vaccination centre, either working on the front desk checking people in or on “pinnacle” which is working with a vaccinator, again inputting information so that details are added to the patient’s medical records. It is indeed the case the people are asked at front desk whether they currently have Covid symptoms (actually asked to read a card which asks that amongst other things whilst being checked in) and are again asked the same by the vaccinator. If individuals are experiencing some symptoms and do not tell us, what are we supposed to do?
As far as wearing masks is concerned like Robert Liddell I do not like wearing a mask, neither am I convinced they are of any great use. However, whilst it is mandated that we wear them we really have little alternative – particularly as patients in the clinic are uncomfortable with people not wearing masks (the occasional patient who may be exempt – I have seen the discomfort of others).
Those attending vaccination centres also have their temperatures taken, which will also reduce the infected being innoculated.
If all medics refused to wear them what could they do? One of the reasons the sheep always bring up for mask use is “doctors wear them” (even though its for a completely different reason and doesn’t work for that either).
“whilst it is mandated that we wear them we really have little alternative “
Oh you do … but I guess, if you need the money …..
Just don’t wear them, no one can make you .
But this whole covid-fear-bollocks nonsense is thriving on asymptomatic transmission, so why aren’t peeps in general being tested prior to jabbing – you know, to make sure they’re not sick? Or doesn’t it matter? Or is the whole thing horse-shit?
I wonder what discomfort looks like in the dollar framed mirror?
Given the Yellow Card data I wonder how being a vaccinator can be consolidated with duty of care. I work in the construction industry, where safety policies are to a great extent designed on duty of care, and I can assure you that any death resulting from poor procedure would be analysed and the procedure accordingly modified to stop it reoccurring. We now have well over 1,000 reported deaths where the vaccine is possibly the cause (Yellow Card) and yet individuals such as yourself are still injecting. I personally find this lack of care both evil and disgusting; shame on you, shame on all involved.
I am in no way insinuating that you’re in agreeance but I’ve now reach the point where I’d embrace civil war. I’ve surprisingly discovered my fury and hatred for what’s being perpetrated before mine and my kids’ eyes knows no bounds.
I understand that people who have had covid were specifically excluded from phase I and II trials. Can you enlighten me please as to why you and your colleagues are willingly injecting these substances into people who have previously had (or at least tested positive for) covid when they haven’t been adequately tested on said subjects? I appreciate that you’re currently participating in the administration of the phase III trials and perhaps there may possibly be nothing to see here but, are you ‘scientifically’ certain you’re doing no harm?
Thank you for the insight into the protocol.
Note that the graphs show the number of days before or after the jab the subjects were tested – not when they first got symptoms. The time between first symptoms and getting tested can be many days. Although subjects must have been asked about this delay I can’t see it recorded anywhere in the data.
I don’t see how the spike can represent infections at the time of the jab or behaviour immediately following the jab. The Covid incubation period is between 2 and 14 days, typically 4 or 5 days. So the time between getting infected to taking the test is incubation period + delay between symptoms onset and getting tested – on average it is going to be about a week. My guess is the spike is due to a combination of people who are vaccinated being more likely to get symptomatic Covid than average (as suggested by the study authors) and people who have Covid putting off tests (for various reasons) until after the jab.
Clearly there are people being vaccinated who have symptoms and even some who have recently had a positive test result. But there is no way to tell from thus data if this is a significant proportion of the people being vaccinated as it only deals with a sample of people who were tested. In any case, I don’t think we can blame the vaccination staff -see Robert Liddell’s post. The vaccination staff have to rely on what the subject says. Many people are keen to get vaccinated so they may consciously lie about symptoms and test results, or fool themselves about symptoms until it becomes really obvious after the jab, or just not have yet received their test result, or simply not understand the question!
Just amazing that people have been so convinced that only vaccination will save them and so even with a possible current active infection they maybe ignoring it in their rush to get an all saving vaccine as soon as possible.
World has gone quite mad! Or perhaps driven mad by irresponsible governments and advisers.
I am not so amazed. We don’t know how many people consciously get vaccinated knowing they have Covid. It could be a tiny proportion. There are bound to be some people who don’t understand how vaccines work and think they can cure as well as protect.
Just been watching the latest Delingpod with Dr Reiner Fuellmich where he states that the PCR Test produces 100% false positives and should never be used to identify infections. Any article written that includes evidence from PCR testing must therefore be invalid.
100% false positives?? At what prevalence? Even if the test generated results at random, you would get some true positives provided the prevalence was noticeable.
Watch the The Delingpod. All this is a load of baloney. You’re just playing with numbers when they are all meaningless vis a vis the PCR Test.
I can’t find the Delingpod – can you give me a link?
The “baloney” is a matter of arithmetic which would be true of any test for anything. Perhaps Fuellmich meant something else?
Not questioning your arithmetic which I’m sure is 100% better than mine. Just saying the whole concept of the PCR is baloney, so whatever genius you apply the figures, the figures themselves are based on a flawed premise. Sorry you may not be able to get into the Delingpod immediately as you need to be a member of Patreon. It’s normally available a couple of days after first being aired to subscribers. But “definitely worth looking at in full”.
To repeat what I wrote to huxleypiggles below. It would not matter if you “tested” by tossing a coin and saying heads “infected”, tails “not infected” – you still wouldn’t get 100% false positives.
Even the inventor of the PCR test advised that it should NOT be used for diagnostic purposes. The test does not confirm infectiousness only the presence of a virus, which may in fact be long dead.
That’s another false rumour – Mullis never said that. It is an out of context quote from an article by John Lauritsen about using PCR to detect HIV. However, that is not my main point. It would not matter if you “tested” by tossing a coin and saying heads “infected”, tails “not infected” – you still wouldn’t get 100% false positives.
Pre-Covid, mass testing of asymptomatic people in the community would have been absurd. Akin to mass testing for Respiratory Syncytial Virus every Autumn/Winter, and then locking down the country, just to save infant lives. The status of RSV +ve or -ve with ‘symptoms!’ allowed cohort nursing, because you can treat symptoms!
But you know all about that because you have extensive experience and knowledge of health care.
This indeed is a complicated story. However the CDC’s VAERS, the MHRA yellow card, the Eu reporting system for post vaccination adverse events and deaths are showing eye watering results. I believe there appears to be a spike in COVID cases post vaccination in every country. Coincidence, consequential, cause? Different scientists say different things. Perhaps time will divulge the answer.
I believe there appears to be a spike in COVID cases post vaccination in every country.
Here is a chart of daily cases and daily first dose vaccinations in the UK since 10th of Jan (first date I could get the vacc data). I have multiplied the cases by 10 so as to make the scales comparable. Please explain how this represents a spike in cases post vaccination.
There were 786,000 vaccinations up until the 27th Dec
Accidentally pressed post too early. Trying again:
There were 786,000 vaccinations up until the 27th Dec out of 50 million jabs to 37 million people total i.e. the programme had hardly started. Do you think that somehow this initial phase caused a cliff-like rise in absolute mortality in January while the bulk of vaccinations that happened in 2021 correlated with a fall in absolute deaths?
The reason the post-vax spike doesn’t show up is that in the UK, there’s been sufficient background infection to mask it, as would be clear if the two series were plotted on axes with the same scales. To see the spike in the UK, you would need to look at a study that considers the recently vaccinated separately, like the one referenced here: https://dailysceptic.org/2021/05/01/major-study-finds-abundance-of-patients-admitted-to-hospital-with-covid-within-seven-days-of-vaccination/
By contrast, there are some countries (Gibraltar, Seychelles, various Asian countries, Uruguay) with previously extremely low background infection rates where the post-vax spike is very obvious just from the chart of overall infection rate.
This story refers to the post jab spike. If marebobowl is only talking about this then I don’t dispute it. Most studies seem to show it – then after a couple of weeks the vaccine reduces the cases with increasing effectiveness as time goes on. The overall reduction in cases as a result of the vaccine is massive. So this effect would not show up as increase in cases. (It is not at all clear that the vaccine causes the post-jab spike.)
Did anybody see the announcement that the Red Cross won’t be accepting blood donations from those vaccinated with the covid vaccines. Apparently if you’ve recovered from covid and then got vaccinated the antibodies in your blood are wipped out by the vaccine. Therefore your blood cannot be used to save people who are dying from covid. This is another reason NOT to get vaccinated if your under 70 and in good health. As we’ve all known getting vaccinated not only temporarily weakens your immunity but if infected people are going along to your really harming yourself unnecessarily.
Can you provide a link? I did a few minutes googling and everything suggests that this is a false rumour e.g. https://www.redcrossblood.org/local-homepage/news/article/covid-19-vaccination-guide-blood-donation.html
You beat me to it! I agree, there seems no indication that blood donation in not accepted from the vax’ed:
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/coronavirus–covid-19–and-blood-donation.html
Depends on which Red Cross.
Its actually the Japanese Red Cross, not the UK or Danish or whatever.
“The Japanese Red Cross now refuses to accept blood donations from people who have received the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine.
The website of the Japanese Red Cross states that individuals who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 “are not allowed to donate blood for the time being.”
The same page warns potential blood donors that they will not be able to give their blood for a certain time after they have received different vaccinations.
Some deferrals prevent blood donations for 24 hours after vaccination, including after getting vaccinated for influenza, cholera and tetanus. Others prevent blood donations for two weeks after vaccination, such as after getting the hepatitis B vaccine.
Those who have received the vaccines against mumps, rubella and other “live vaccines” that are considered weakly poisonous are not allowed to donate blood for four weeks after vaccination. Those who have gotten the smallpox vaccine cannot donate blood for eight weeks after receiving the dose.
Jeffrey Kingston, director of Asian studies at Temple University’s Japan campus, explained that Japan has not forgotten about a scandal that gripped the nation in the 1980s. At the time, government officials had allowed blood contaminated with the HIV virus to continue to be used. This was even though it had been established that virus elements in the blood could have been eliminated with the use of heat treatments.”
https://thecommonsenseshow.com/japanese-red-cross-refusing-blood-donations-people-who-have-been-injected-coronavirus-vaccines
It seems like this is very specific to Japan and an extremely cautionary culture wrt vaccines: ““It’s a bureaucratic bottleneck driven by fear that something might go wrong, so best to delay and delay,”
Could be an excess of caution, although at least their caution is based on previously getting it wrong unlike all the Branch Covidian rituals with no scientific basis over here.
I am sorry I am not tech savy but if you go to Red Cross -plasma is needed – but NOT from vaccinated at http://www.bitchute.com you should find a short video. I don’t believe they saying you can’t give blood if you’ve been vaccinated only those who’ve recovered from covid and then got vaccinated can’t give blood if it’s for the purpose of helping covid patients recover. Something about wipping out the antibodies to covid after vaccination.
“I did a few minutes googling” = “research”
“Public Health England that claims to show the vaccines are up to 90% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid infection”
We’ve seen all the crap numbers before in fake epidemics and the promotion of vaccines.
It’s obvious why the silly sods want it. They think, if ‘think’ is the word, that the vaccine is a miracle cure,
Why do we vaccinate people who have had the actual disease which is the best possible vaccination for all other diseases – Why are we calling it a vaccine when it is actually an RNA manipulator which has never been tried before and is experimental and we have never before injected entire populations with something, even an actual traditional vaccine, that is experimental – Do we belittle any treatments other than this injection because if alternative treatments were known to be effective it would be illegal to use anything experimental so widely – Why are authorities everywhere displaying a panic response to an illness so mild most have to be tested to know they are ill AND total deaths per year are so near average AND the average age of death from the disease is 83 while 81 is the average age for everything else – Why do we for months say Masks are pointless and then enforce their use – Why is it that regardless of the harshness different authorities impose Lockdowns and Masks outcomes are the same – Why do the harsh authorities refuse to recognise this – The pyramid of power built under the Covid star never wants to be dismantled those in this hierarchy have never known such ego and authority and are drunk on their new powers and addicted to the delight of seeing their absurd and pointless dictates enforced – Authorities here are now admitting they lied and that Covid deaths have been exaggerated by 75% and elsewhere by 90% and so it has to be assumed complications from the injections will be lied about the other way – It now seems obvious that the measures against the disease such as the Lockdowns will kill more than the disease and the same authorities are making the decisions for the experimental injections so the results will likely be similarly awful.