The latest model of doom from Government advisory group SAGE appeared yesterday, predicting a ludicrous 10,000 hospital admissions a day in mid-July in a vaccinated population (nearly three times the January peak) because of the Indian variant – and that’s the central scenario. Furthermore, the researchers don’t even think the Indian variant is more deadly or particularly good at evading vaccines. So how do they conclude it will precipitate such a calamity?
Professor Adam Kucharski, a SAGE modeller from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM), explains their reasoning:
The issue is that many people have a mental image that we’ve [already] had the biggest possible epidemic waves, whereas we’ve actually had ones that are relatively small compared to what could have happened without control measures in place. Because of these controls, only a fraction of the people who could have got infected in the past year or so have been infected, so they’re still out there. Of course, for many of these people vaccines have now decreased their risk substantially. But a very large number of infections that come with a very small individual level of risk can produce a similar outcome to a smaller epidemic that carries a larger individual level of risk.
Maths whizz Glen Bishop, writing for Lockdown Sceptics, has shown why SAGE’s assumptions are so unrealistic as to produce these highly implausible scenarios. In their central scenario, for example, their assumptions imply that up to half of the UK will be simultaneously infected in one week in mid-July. This is despite the January peak only having around 2% of the population infected at one time, according to the ONS.
Another of the models’ big assumptions, prominent in what Prof Kucharski says above, is that lockdowns and social distancing have successfully suppressed the virus and that it is only because they continue in some form that the flood of infections, hospitalisations and deaths is held back. The latest modelling starkly shows how, even with a high vaccination coverage as in the UK, such an assumption can produce predictions so dire they send twitchy Governments reaching for the lockdown order.
As the SAGE briefing says:
At this point in the vaccine rollout, there are still too few adults vaccinated to prevent a significant resurgence that ultimately could put unsustainable pressure on the NHS, without non-pharmaceutical interventions. … It is a realistic possibility that this new variant of concern could be 50% more transmissible. If [the Indian variant] does have such a large transmission advantage, it is a realistic possibility that progressing with all roadmap steps would lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations.
In fact, there is no evidence (outside models, which are not evidence) that lockdown measures or social distancing have any significant impact on reducing Covid infections or deaths. This is why the states in America which removed their restrictions in March (Texas) or last autumn (Florida) or never imposed them (South Dakota) are doing no worse, and often better, than many states which maintained strict restrictions throughout the winter (see the graph above). Sweden demonstrates a similar point in Europe.
The depressing truth, though, is that sceptics have largely failed to get this basic point across to those in charge and their scientific advisers. It’s not as though the evidence is not there. There are numerous peer-reviewed articles in leading journals that set out the evidence on this, and more keep appearing. Leading scientists have raised their heads to make the evidence-based case.
Graphs like the above, which should by themselves undermine the entire lockdown edifice, are easy to produce. Leading journalists such as Fraser Nelson, writing in one of the leading Tory newspapers, the Telegraph, has pointed repeatedly to the evidence on this. The data is plain for all to see and the voices highlighting it are not marginal or lacking in credibility.
Yet here we are again, with another model built on dubious assumptions and a presumption of lockdown efficacy once more imperilling our liberty. Freedom has never felt so fragile as in these past 14 months, when access to basic liberties has rested on the evidence-free assumptions made by a small group of mathematical modellers whose word seems to be taken as holy writ by those in charge.
Adam Kucharski is on Twitter. So why not ask him (politely!) why, if so many people remain so susceptible to this virus and its variants as to produce such dire predictions, Florida, Texas and South Dakota have fared no worse than places which have imposed or maintained restrictions? I’ve put the graph as the featured image to make it easy to share – just put a link to this article in the tweet and the graph should appear. If you get any answers from him, why not email them to us here.
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1,000 deaths a week? This figure can easily be reached if the unreliable PCR test is used enough times.
The PCR test is far from unreliable, it delivers the desired result for whichever CT threshold is dialled in.
Sorted.
That’s not how they work. Each test is run and the Ct where it detects the ‘primer’ target is registered. If it’s found at 25 the test can and usually is run to 40 or even 45. It would be better to stop them all at 30 maximum.
“It would be better to stop them all at 30 maximum”
Too high : =<25 max.
It just occurred to me how similar PCR testing is to homeopathy! It’s so sensitive it could detect the actual clinical substance in a bottle of woowoo water
Based on Mr Mullis’ views they should be a confirmatory test of a doctors diagnosis and probably stop at 25.
Exactly… and BoJo is fully signed up and committed to the GREAT RESET, using draconian COVID smackdowns as the rationale for the future objectives of the DAVOS global kabal elite – “You’ll own nothing and be happy!” powered by Zero Covid = Zero Carbon.
These rolling annual winter lock-ups are here to stay, all sold on the basis of being for the greater good… well now you don’t want to kill Granny off do you? [The vaccines triggering ADE will in fact do that] Its drip, by drip… a meat grinder till only the required level of slave proles are left.
This annual cycle is meant to condition the British public into internalising the very idea that kindly caring Nanny Govt knows best… that they are allowed to micromanage your daily lives, that this is the NEW NORMAL and that you should enjoy the short moments of liberty or normalcy they so graciously let you have during those few summer months, but don’t ever think about straying off to far. The smartphone apps won’t allow it!
What’s coming soon? More domestic travel restrictions, county and city checkpoints, vaxx health passports for controlling every aspect of your daily life…not to mention covid camps fenced off prisons for the dirty, rat verminous unvaxxd and of course any journalist narrative deniers.
It all makes perfect sense!
Impfstoffe macht frei – Gesundheitspasspapiere bitte – Jetzt knien…
Never had one just like not having the blood clot poison. If you never start their game they cannot control you
And how many of those 1,000 would not be Covid-related deaths but our old friend, the flu. As even the Covid-compliant CDC in the US now concedes, the PCR test can’t tell the difference between Covid and the flu. Flu seemingly disappeared last season only because it was rebadged as Covid. We’ve been getting our kickers in a twist over a flu season!
Exactly
Post mortems will be needed to see if out of the average 1500 per week, 1000 have died OF covid and not from their underlying condition. Plus why would he believe his ‘advisors’ when so far, all of the numbers have been wrong.
An essential point. 1000 deaths a week is ~10% of mortality (varying by year and in-year).
No-one can point to the actual number of deaths from Covid without post-mortem evidence, so we are back at square one, where the only reliable indicator is the level of all-cause mortality : i.e. an alleged 1000 deaths pw ‘from’ ‘Covid’ is a figure that can’t be determined. We will be back into ‘casedemic’ misattribution territory.
What one can see is the relative level of all-cause mortality – which, again, will vary between years and in-year. So far, that has been unexceptional in historical terms – and there is little reason for change beyond the normal natural variation.
No one can demonstrate that a political decision saved a single life save by rerunning an identical scenarios with different decisions and seeing if the same happens consistently with and without the decision in question. That’s already impossible because it’s not possible to revive someone who has died in order to examine if a different decision would have kept him alive.
There is no science behind coronapolitics, just bullshit with numbers of the kind the woke brigade (and – to be fair – their political antagonists as well) always produce when they think something which is going to be harmful should really be done nevertheless.
Excess all cause mortality (England & Wales) over the last twelve months (upto the end of the second week in August 2021- wk 32) is 51,166
whereas ONS reports 89,727 C19 deaths over the same period.
A difference of 38,561.
This means either there were 38,561 fewer deaths from causes other than C19 or,
C19 deaths have been over reported by 38,561.
99.8% of sensible people will put their money on the latter
Don’t expect honesty from the globalist loving government, they have deliberately lied to the nation and there isn’t anyone in authority brave enough to take them on!
There were a lot of people saying “Over my dead body!” when it came to jabbing children. Now that the jabs are planned to start in two weeks’ time, those people have mysteriously become very silent.
My daughter is one of those people; she may be silent, but she is poised to remove her child from school at the slightest risk of her being vaccinated.
I’d be careful not to send them in at all – Loco Parentis and all that…
it’s 1500/day vs 137 claimed covid/day.
This is the major problem.
If you’re using deaths as a measure it HAS to be deaths *due to* not with.
We’re going to have loads of cases all the time. Its endemic. You cant use every person that dies infected a death from that disease.
The use of ‘case’ and ‘infected’ has been distorted beyond belief.
A PCR result is not a diagnosis. If there is no other evidence, then there is no ‘Covid’ (another word subject to gigantic distortion).
BBC Wales newsreader tonight still announcing daily deaths “due to covid” – lying idiot. And don’t get me started on the obese GP saying the unvaccinated should be restricted in terms of where they can go and what they can do because of the alleged risk they pose to others (the vaccinated, presumably!) and to the health service (which is hopeless at the best of times). They’re priming us for vaccine passports in Wales, and for the dirty unvaccinated to become second class citizens.
Yes because he has been told to.. in exactly the same way the NHS hospital i work for has gone corona fucking mad masks ,handwash,cleaning seats ,one way systems completely ignoring the rest of society becsue ….they have been told to dont doubt it common sense dosent disappear overnight its been silenced
It’s Joseph Goebbels all over again
“Unfortunately, prime ministers have to weigh up the cost of saving lives to the impact on the economy. No one wants to talk about that’s how it works.” …”
Imagine if they’d held to that grownup position in March 2020, instead of acting like a bunch of hysterical infants. We could have had Sweden’s infinitely better policies.
That’s on the “Conservative” government members, and on “Conservative” MPs. Yes, Labour were and are far worse on coronapanic nonsense, and a Corbyn or Starmer government would probably have been infinitely worse (most likely, given both Corbyn’s and Starmer’s blatherings on the topic, some kind of “Independent SAGE”-style zero covid lunacy), but the “Conservative” government was recently elected with an unassailable majority. They had the power and the responsibility. And they blew it.
Never forget. Never forgive.
When the LibDems where part of the coalition government, their claim to fame and justification for abandoning their own political goals was usually, that they had moderated those of their Tory partners. Using the same yardstick, England is currently run by a Labour/ Tory coalition government and the prime ministers justification is that he moderated what Starmer demanded.
That’s the liberal and progressive BoJo of London mayor fame. Vote for it. Get it.
We all want to talk about how to balance lives lost to dictatorial policies and economic decline with lives lost to covid, theproblem is lockdowns can’t reduce that latter type. I simply don’t trust that this government is able to recognse the futility of lockdowns. Such talk at the start of this, before the sickness of lockdownism landed in the public’s midns would have helped, but now it will be biased in favour of lockdowns by cognitive damage done to people by having lived under tyranny for so long.
oh they rcognise they dont work cmon theyre highly educated ,having to grasp some fundemantal knowledge .They choose not to understand the futility of lockdowns because that would be an admission of guilt
Having a PPE degree from Oxbridge is the absolute opposite of being highly educated. It qualifies the holder to join all the other identikit thickos in ruining the country. All of them have zero emotional intelligence and even less scientific knowledge
But the second you said that someone is forgetting and someone is forgiving and getting ready for the next eection you know it individdual defiance counts for nothing
There’s your economy kill switch, every winter. Just set the PCR gas boiler to Ct 40+ and never at 24.
I do wonder how people will survive when furlough ends. It makes rolling out a centralised digital currency easier when the most vulnerable have no choice.
Spot on, as I have been posting repeatedly.
And here’s your primer for the upcoming Lockdown. As we all know House Arrest has been so successful we just can’t get enough of them.
More destruction on the way. What’s the betting SHUTDOWN Christmas for maximum damage.
Christmas will be erased from our lives so as not to upset the non Christian newcomers.
Having lived and worked in Islamic countries for over 30 years I can attest they, (with the exceptions of Saudi and Qatar, who believe me are not at all representative) have no issue with the celebration of Christmas. Most of the small businesses love it because of the increased spending. Hospitality likewise. It’s busybody local councils and ‘advisors’ who initiate bans on Christmas cards at work etc. Not the Moslem shopkeeper who probably stocks and sells them!
Exactly. I work in a Muslim area in the city I live. And during the world cup, our wise and progressive council issued warnings against waving the England flag. Ironically, I saw more England flags in the Muslim area than I did in other parts of the city.
Progressive lefties have no idea how divisive their intentions are. My Muslim customers were horrified to hear this was being done on their behalf. During the Euro’s just gone, the council stayed silent on the issue of England flags after a number of complaints from the Muslim community.
I’ve lived and worked in a very culturally mixed area most of my life, and have never came across imposition of any of these alleged political imaginings except in the Whingers Journal (aka Daily Mail) etc.
So that teacher in Batley wasn’t driven into hiding as a result of Muslim complaints?
isnt the world now a wonderfully more EQUAL and DIVERSE place since we discovered equlaity and diversity or something
“How does it feel to be a second-class citizen in your own country?”
Just whine loudly and incontinently, and you’ll get a flavour of the disease.
Now that is as much total bollocks for a reason as Covid mythology. Most of the existing mongrel populace here aren’t Christian, anyway.
“the existing mongrel populace here”
Mongrels are the result of mating between different breeds.
Please:
1) name the breeds we’re mongrels of.
2) name some countries with “pure” populations
Hey mongrels are cute !!
But, but, but Boris said coming out of lockdown was irreversible. Does this mean he lied? I’m shocked.
I wonder if anyone has looked at how the people who are dying have caught Covid.In England it is mainly 90 plus. I suspect they aren’t out mixing much so will not be much affected by lockdown.
For comparison here are the so-called cases by age. You can see where most are coming from
To complete the picture here are vaccs by age.
how do yo ufind these graphs? i cannot seem to get them on coronavirus.data.gov.uk
so, as suspected, the vaccines are a load of bollox
Well this is what Trudeau has been told to do with them. Let’s hope Boris heeds the advice too
https://wp.me/pcHv6E-Gl
Love it, I hope he ends up regretting calling his snap election, it would certainly make our fat leader take note.
The vaxxines were nothing to do with prevention but to digitise human social behaviour. Its a wholly outrageous and criminal act by the political class.
Worse. It may turn out that they are the cause of a high number of “covid” deaths in the winter.
Youre fucked if you r dying of anything else this winter then you know those other deaths we used to have cancer renal failiure ,strokes ,who gives a shit about them anymore NOBODY
This is really worded in the wrong way: To the Zero Covidians, there’s no set number of acceptable lives. Even if 99.95% of the population of some region is Not Infected With Covid[tm], they’ll push for ever more drastic restrictions (Hamburg). As is already known from other parts of Germany, even 99.99% Not Infected[tm] is not enough to get these vultures off other people’s backs.
The only acceptable number of Zero Covidians in government roles is therefore zero if anyone ever wants to live his own life in peace.
Last year, the Covidonkeys were whacked with the stick of lockdown and beguiled with the carrot of the Magic Vax.
What’s the carrot this year?
Consistently tweaking the figures, week-in and week-out, to keep the fear ramped up to 11. The carrot this winter is keeping schools open and forcing people to accept everything else will be shut down. ‘Sorry the NHS is struggling but the vaccines have kept schools open, we can see light at the end of the tunnel’ BS.
‘Please queue up again in the New Year for another jab rollout and you can have your freedom back (with caveats) by August…’
Paltry pay rises ??
You need to wean Boris off those big scary numbers… if we figure out how to wean OUR leaders off the big scary numbers, I’ll let you know.
The best solution other than scrapping PCR and LFT’s is for the labs to designate the CT rate for every positive test. Above 25 you are not infectious and a further test should be taken 2 days later to see which direction the CT rate is heading.
Anything under 25 on the first test and you are probably infectious.
Ignore all positive tests with a CT rate over 30.
Testing to a 45 CT rate is ridiculous.
Only test those that are symptomatic.
If there are no symptoms there is no need for a test, a point I made very bluntly to a hospital doctor as he prepared to stick a javelin up my nose. Twat.
The Ct can’t determine infectiousness. It can’t even determine the presence of a virus.
Or even better – only test those that are symptomatic IF it’s going to make a difference to the treatment you’re going to administer.
There’s a reason that up until now respiratory virus/bacteria testing was reserved for those who were seriously ill in hospital – because that’s the ONLY time a Dr needs to know!
Given that most covid patients seems to receive no treatment (oxygen appears to be the first line treatment and that can be tested with the clip thing on your finger) then testing only fuels the casedemic.
It’s a telling indictment of where we are as a society that the truth that everyone in their hearts knows – that saving lives at all costs is immoral, unnatural, irrational and unworkable – cannot be spoken of out loud. Until we reach the point where it’s common for people in positions of power to set out that position unashamedly, without fear of disappearing into the wilderness, we’re a hostage to fortune. I don’t think I will see it in my lifetime (hopefully a few decades).
It’s a tiny step in the right direction, though the numbers and how they are obtained are extremely shaky and open to abuse, as we all know. But it’s a clear signal that any kind of zero covid nonsense is not going to fly here.
the truth not only can’t be mentioned but you also have to add that every death from covid is “absolutely tragic”.
Yes, indeed – even if the deceased was suffering from advanced Alzheimers and terminal cancer, and aged 95. Of course, they will be a “Covid death” even if either of the other terminal conditions actually killed them.
There’s nothing wrong with saving lives but something very wrong with doing perfectly random shit based on the unverifiable presumption that it will save lives.
Well, it’s right to point out that the evidence for lockdowns saving lives is weak and that in fact they seem to have no effect/do the opposite. But let’s assume that a lockdown of some sort could be demonstrated to work, it wouldn’t necessarily be the right thing to do from a cost/benefit point of view, especially if you add something on the cost side for lost liberty, which any sane person would have to. Though I am against lockdowns on principle.
There is no such evidence and it cannot even exist. Hence, there’s no point discussing what should or shouldn’t be done if this evidence existed. This only leads back to You are accepting deaths! which is a convoluted way to say You are killing people! (because you refuse to do what I want!) and that’s a trantrum and not an argument.
We have reached the point where the government, and businesses, can introduce any nonsensical rituals and provided they are explained as “to keep people safe” then most will just accept it in the usual ovine manner we have come to expect.
I just want these people out of my hair.
Realistically (and cynically), old, non-productive people dying off actually helps the economy.
That’s neither realistic nor cynic, it’s a pro-lockdown staple: We MUST lock down to demonstrate that we value OLD PEOPLE. If these old people then die of Alzheimer while being forcibly separated from their families, oh — bugger off! Od people die anyway, and as we have lockdown now, they’ve outgrown their usefulness as pretexts.
Coronapolitics is universally built on pretending to care for others to hide the fact that it’s really driven by the irrational fears of their own lives of the people who drive it. Susan and Chris and Trisha and Nicola don’t give a shit about others. They’re just scared witless and want something to be done about that. No matter what, just something, preferably something involving hand sanitizer.
You could make as good an economic argument for a lot of sectors of society.
… if you were bent.
Only an economist would talk in those terms.
Clearly and indisputably true. Not sure why people seem to find it objectionable.
There are other issues to take into account beyond pure economics, obviously.
I don’t think so.
Eg, everybody who is sufficiently rich that he doesn’t have to do something productive but can just live from his (usually inherited) fortune is technically a drag on society because he consumes limited resources but doesn’t produce anything. So kill the rich to help the economy?
From other postings, one can conjecture that rayc is German. This means his statement has to be understood in the context of the German pension system which is a so-called Umlagesystem, ie, it’s not based on accumulated capital or investments but the people of working age pay contributions used to pay pension of those who have retired and will – after they reached retirement age – get a pension coming from contributions of others.
Hence old, non-productive people dying off actually helps the economy usually simply means F***ing pensioners living of MY money! Wish they’d all die!, ie, it’s an expression of envy.
yes but to whose benefit not mine or yours thats for sure
Actually it doesn’t if you think of all the people who are only able to go out to work because grandparents are looking after their kids, collecting them from school etc etc. All unpaid of course.
What a complete and utter turd.
There is no justification for lockdown whatsoever, it has saved precisely no lives at all and has most certainly cost them.
Kim Jong Johnson can shove his lockdowns right up his great fat fraudulent communist arse.
Look let’s be honest about this, this government doesn’t care how many they maim or kill so let’s stop pretending they do care.
Chesterfield council had their ” healthy people testing trailer ” in town again today…….
And it was smashed to smithereens?
Sorry if this is a little off topic but I can see the threat of lockdowns being used as a further “nudge” to get people to accept vax-passports. If you don’t all get your jabs and can prove it we will have to lock down i.e. they will use the unvaxed as an excuse.
Together Declaration opposing vax-passports in the UK. Got an e-mail about this earlier today. Not sure how much good it will do but I think it is better than the standard on-line petitions the HMG continually ignores. I have signed and would recommend others do likewise.
https://togetherdeclaration.org/
I hope the ATL crew will pick up on this and support it.
I don’t see this as off topic at all. The threat of lockdowns is the single biggest stick the government has to push people towards accepting vaccine passports.
The i paper article is deliberate psy ops to scare people. We’re approaching September and now is the time to shift the narrative forward to rising ‘cases’ and a will they/won’t they lockdown storyline in the media. The government can manipulate the actual statistics at will, this is obvious. To coerce more people to be jabbed, to bully people into accepting restrictions and to demonise the unvaccinated they need the threat of lockdowns. Putting a number on deaths is pure theatre when there is enormous deviation on how deaths are recorded.
And to medicate the children because … well, it’s not obvious to them but we know.
I’ve signed the declaration, no co firmation email from them though. Put it wll take mroe than petitions to end this govrnmental menace, it needs open defiance against both lockdowns and domestic passports. We need to be doing things like protecting businesses who’ve been fined for doing the right thing against previous lockdowns from ever paying up, we need to make enforcement ineffective so that the risk/reward ratio for defiant businesses shofts in favour of defending freedom, knowing that there will be sceptics ready to protect them from any horrors the system of so-called justice tries to inflict on them.
Let’s take the Droitwich Spa card shop which received a £44,000 fine for ‘breaking Covid rules’.
Why have the people who issued that fine not been properly dealt with?
Helping the shopkeepers to raise that money to pay off the fine isn’t the answer.
The fine should never have been issued in the first place.
People’s lives are being ruined, and no-one really does anything about it.
They need a group of local citizens to assemble and see off anyone who tries to collect the fine, arrest them or otherwise harass them. This only ends when the state’s capacity to enforce is undermined by the public. Fines must not be paid, and the non-payers must be assisted in fighting off government advances.
Toby Young has already signed I notice, as has Laurence Fox, David Kurten, Julia Hartley-Brewer and many other familiar names.
Yes – all good to see. Power to the collective elbows!
Hmm – and is it about £400 billion that they have so far spent on ‘saving’ at the uppermost ‘estimate’ of 100,000 lives (and, probably, of course, more deaths caused than, if any, lives saved!). Let me see; 4million pounds per life ‘saved’ so far, ignoring, of course, the enormous collateral damages caused. Well done, Bozo!
100,000 : a vast overestimate of the deadliness of Covid.
Everyone, including the establishment powers that be, expect Covid to become endemic – like flu.
I would be surprised if ANYONE died without some antibodies to one of the flu viruses in his bloodstream. There are around 10,000 to 15,000 deaths per week in England/Wales. We only need a tenth of these to have some trace…
The big killers are Heart, Cancer and Respiratory illnesses. Respiratory make up about 20% of deaths. So in an ‘average’ week a minimum of 2000 people might be expected to die of some respiratory cause. You don’t need much Covid to get to 1000….
What don’t this morons understand about personal choice, free citizens and personal responsibility?! If I get infected it’s because I choose my personal level of risk, if I crash my motorbike, the same rule applies… Give me a bloody NHS waiver and get this monkey off my back for good!
I predict a riot if they impose a further nonsensical lockdown!
A riot? Don’t be daft, far too many people love these lockdowns
But maybe only if furlough goes on
In other words , whenever a lockdown is required to keep the peasants in their place, and probably compliant with the bankrupcy inducing zero carbon targets, the ‘testademic will be on full throttle with CTs of 40 Plus on the RT-PCR tests, which conveniently will incorporate influenza.
Is that deaths from or deaths with? Will they continue to count anyone run over by a bus who tested positive from a PCR test within the previous 28 days as a “Covid-related” death? Jesus, they must think we’re stupid.
“they must think we’re stupid”
Well – that bet, in terms of numbers, has paid off so far, hasn’t it?
“But, but, but, but……don’t the vaccines work then???” Said no compliant normie…ever!
50k excess is what the 2018 Flu season had so Boris is looking at locking down literally for a level of seasonal Flu barely anyone noticed at the time.
Quite clear he’s not prepared to “live with it” if he’s putting any figure on it at all.
Also the “with not from” metric makes covid deaths triple Flu which uses actual cause of death…..
All they said about that was whoops sorry, we picked the wrong flu
How many people die per day from cancer or heart issues? If those numbers are greater than 137 per day we should shut the economy for ever. According to Cancer Research that number is more than 450 every day (2016 – 2018); British Heart Foundation over 460 per day from heart disease; a total of over 910 deaths per day that we just accept as life, and what happens when your time has come. None of this makes any sense, unless the Prime Minister is working for the Chinese, but coming up with an arbitrary number like 137 per day without any context of daily seasonal influenza deaths, or cancer deaths, or deaths caused by heart failure is unbelievable.
How many people die in road accidents per day/week/month/year?
How about banning all road traffic?
‘How about banning all road traffic?’
They’re working on that!
I think you’ll find thats where the banning anything but electric vehicles is supposed to lead, or at least only vehicles belonging to the ‘elite’ (read extremely rich tossers) will be allowed.
But they are not claiming lockdowns stop cancer.
BUT the precedent is set.
If some compulsory measure, e.g. mandated BMI ratios, could be claimed to reduce cancer and a cost benefit analysis “proved” it, then based on this precedent the government would be justified in introducing the measure, however draconian, intrusive of demeaning, it may be.
Sadly most people don’t really see long term consequences. It’s too far away, too complicated, requires too much thinking, don’t really care…
I don’t think anyone needed a crystal ball to see this was coming. How strange that we’re being warned of food shortages at the same time too? It’s almost like we’re due another load of panic buying.
Given that lockdowns DO NOT WORK there can be no acceptable excuse for introducing one, ideas about “death count per week to justify a measure” only apply if a measure works. Lockdowns don’t work.
Boris and pals and members of SAGE don’t care if lockdowns ‘work’ or not. They are just for their amusement, as a cat plays with a mouse.
“Rollover!” “Sit!” “Beg!” – and the British public just comply.
Where did that age old end of life condition, pneumonia, go, we need an enquiry
FFS! FML! F$%kington F$%K! – Sorry that brought on my Covid Tourette’s [ diagnosis thanks to a contributor in this esteemed community]
Again WTF? Has nothing that he’s been told gone into his head? Could he be suffering from “Long-Covid-Fog-Brain” or is he, more likely, a complete and utter moron? Asking for a friend [she’s a CONVID MP] and I really think she needs our help to stage an intervention.
I have a friend who knew someone who spent a lot of time in meetings with BoJo a few years back. Apparently he IS a fucking idiot for real!
I think most of us worked that out years ago.
We’re supposed to believe he’s intelligent because he’s memorised poetry in 2 dead languages.
Denmark will scrap ALL Covid restrictions in two weeks and stop classifying it as ‘a critical threat to society’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932767/Denmark-scrap-Covid-restrictions-two-weeks-virus-no-longer-critical-threat-society.html?fr=operanews#article-9932767
So no PCR test required to fly from Denmark to the UK? After all, it is the people in Denmark who let you through to the plane – or not.
How about flying into Denmark – nothing required? No Covid tests? No quarantine?
Seeing is believing.
“Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.”
So the Danes are “catching up” …This is not to downplay the serious effects of Covid 19; but the continued hysterical modelling, which has never veered from “wildly inaccurate”, has very evidently been inserted in to the Governmental mitochondria and there appears to be no sane mind questioning the “Madness” this invasion of bollox is inducing.
Just as expected. Clod erat dumb and random.
Keep jabbing and that figure will easily be reached.
We have an average 50,000 deaths from sepsis a year, I’ve never heard Johnson declare on that and they’re in all age groups.
If they want to try and reintroduce draconian measures the PCR cycle should be set at 30 or lower, they should not include figures for ADE in the ‘vaccinated’ because that’s a whole different thing and figures should be broken down into age groups (same ones as the ‘vaccine’ roll-out) and those who died ‘with’ it and ‘of’ it.
Apparently an FOI for Plymouth shows that the number who died in 2020 ‘of’ it (that is, the only cause on the death certificate) was 5!!!
This is a very slippery slope.
This kind of thinking opens the door to any tyrannical government measure if it can be justified in purely economic terms.
E.g. I’m sure that going on strictly economic cost-benefit analysis, microchipping children is beneficial. And probably adults too. For tax collection, crime prevention purposes.
This is the ultimate legacy of lockdowns and the reason many of us screamed at the horror of mandated lockdowns from day 1. It’s the precedent that the government can strip away liberty for collective benefit that once breached cannot be undone.
Many people argue that at some point collective welfare trumps individual freedom. They fail to see the ultimate consequences of that logic. But we are about to discover them.
There are certain liberties that must be maintained under ANY circumstances.
Daily deaths my arse! what about the deaths caused by lockdown? what about the deaths caused by the ‘vaccines’? It was always obvious that they were going to impose a lockdown in the winter and they’ll manipulate the figures to justify it like they’ve done every time! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this won’t end until we the people end it!
But the people don’t want to end it. Look at all those vacuous morons gone to the Reading Festival.
If Covid was a deadly and highly contagious virus, festivals such as this would be banned. But they haven’t been. This shows that ‘Covid’ is a lie and a scam. It’s quite clear now that Covid is nothing more than control of the people, and at the same time relieving them of their money through endless ‘testing’.
18 months of misery already for many, yet others are comfortably off and accept the loss of their freedoms.
That’s very true, a lot of people are quite happy to give up their liberties. Like you say, many comfortably off people love lockdowns, while for others it just causes misery. I just keep hoping that some of the brainwashed will wake up and start pushing back. I’m hoping………
I’d like to see those who have little left to lose take from those who have plenty. Although I expect the Government knew it would come to this which is why they’re building all those new prisons.
We are running out of time.
This is the first time since this horror show began I can recall seeing any reference by any government figure to cost/benefit analysis. (Of course, perhaps I haven’t read widely enough).
The lack of emphasis on, and transparency about, this fundamental decision-making tool has been an absolute disgrace.
I wasn’t a big fan before:
Uzbekistan researchers develop tomato-based Covid vaccine
“We introduced coronavirus into the plant’s cell by cloning,” one of the researchers said.
“Coronavirus is delivered into the patient’s body as soon as they eat the ‘vaccinated tomato’ as it begins to produce antibodies.”
With the apparatus of the state and the NIH at its disposal, they would have no problem “proving” its efficacy and mandating the eating of tomatos.
I will only be interested once they develop a beer-based vaccine. I am currently researching my own. They all seem 100% effective so far as those involved in the trial (me) have not yet developed SARS-CoV-2 after any of the beers consumed. The trial has been ongoing since March 2020. Funds to continue this important research very welcome.
Yey! Get vaxxed with your Macs!
Boris will do no such think. He promised that the restrictions were being removed permanently. Irreversible was the word he used. A promise is a promise.
but he had his fingers crossed so it’s doesnt count
A Boris Johnson promise is just another lie waiting to happen.
My daughters friend who works in a local hotel told her recently that they have been told not to take bookings from the end of September.
If they are really planning another lockdown, I think it is going to be received as warmly as the current lockdowns in Australia.
but people will comply
I hold on to hope that EVENTUALLY people will get fed up.
I’m not betting my life on it, but I’m not giving up hope.
hope is all we have. i’ve no doubt we will see another lockdown of sorts before the year end
Hope and a pitchfork is better than just hope alone.
Well of course he’ll impose lockdowns again – asap. This is our ‘new normal’! The elites will continue to enjoy their luxurious freedoms, being served the finest meals -meat included- without rationing, while we’ll be introduced to the new alternative of grubs and bugs -and we’ll be grateful!
Well, what they are saying is that 1% of the population dying every year is unacceptable. Less than 1% of the population dying has only happened 15 years in the entire history of the United Kingdom, when between 2004 and 2019 the proportion of the population dying dipped below 1%.
With an ageing population, it is almost guaranteed that going forward deaths will be back up above 1% like last year. From there, it’s just a matter of running PCR tests and attributing them to COVID and we have a formula for annual lockdowns.
An ageing population actually means fewer people dying in lower age groups.
There’s so much bias in the data from the NHS over attributing deaths to Covid 19 before you start adding in the inaccuracy of the tests ( and the testers). This is clearly the PM feeling out what people what accept before reconsidering lockdowns, rather than investing in more accuracy in it’s data intelligence strategy.
New lockdowns, it is then. Who knew?
this is great. he will be imposing that by end of September. Finally a lockdown will be started at the beginning, rather than the end, of the season and we can all look on as it is proved to be a futile measure when the season continues unchecked by the lockdown.
When it doesn’t work, it will be the fault of the unvaxed / people not “following the rules” / whatever other bogeyman they invent
I loathe Boris Johnson – I really do – I can’t even bear to look at its ugly face anymore nevermind listen to it – and I voted for him! I think what makes me loathe this moron more than any other PM is that he lied to us – in the space of sixteen months he has transformed into the complete antithesis of the Boris Johnson we were sold at election time – he is not the sensible freedom-loving libertarian he was portrayed as – his is a total fake, a fraud, a charlatan and a spineless one at that – he has been exposed as a big state-loving power-drunk authoritarian – he would be much better suited leading the Green Party or Extinction Rebellion than the Conservative Party – and I loathe him for it – I feel cheated, conned, duped and now I want this lying, double-dealing scamming toad out of office asap and I don’t want to ever hear or see his ugly face ever again
“the Boris Johnson we were sold at election time”
But blame where blame’s due – you’d have to have been a bit of a moron to have bought it! That’s the real underlying problem.
It was him or Corbyn.
I didn’t vote – for the first time – because I was insulted by the choice offered, but I can understand why people prefered Johnson
Kim Jong Johnson was up against Jeremy Corbyn.
Having won a decisive victory, Kim Jong Johnson then imposed the agenda of Jeremy Corbyn
Well, you know where he lives!
You know what it came to me only today. What is the strongest thing in the world? the thing that sets us apart? the thing that conquers? LOVE.
What Boris Johnson, Mario Draghi, Nicola Sturgeon, Joe Biden, Macron, Merkel, Whitty, Valance, Ferguson etc. What these people have no undersatnding of, no experience of is LOVE, they fear it, they know its the only thing that will stop their wicked, malign and evil behaviour.
What they have been doing over the past almost 2 years is not trying to control a virus, no they have been trying to kill love, because they know that with out love humans lose hope, they become nothing more than beasts to be controlled. Hence the seperation of families, the cruel torture of the elderly by depriving them of the love of their children and Grandchildren, and instead being subjected to treatment you would not give to a caged animal. They have caused us to distance ourselves from children, to treat them like putrid petri dishes of filth to make them cover their faces deny them the warmth of friendship, theo only thing they have learnt in the past 2 years is that Adults are not to be trusted, and they have to look after themselves. Now we continut being led down the past of hate by these people through segregation, permission passorts, enforced injections into children of a product that we have no idea of the long term effects on their bodies, This to destroy love and to destroy spirit.
And who are these people who are doing this to us. Johnson a man who only knows sex not love, he uses women like a rag which when its used up and dirty he chucks away, he sires children but has nothing to do with them, he throws them away too as soon as the next sex partner arrives. This is someone who cannot love and does not know love.
Draghi a career politician and banker, born into wealth, whose rise has been not through understanding the lives of ordinary people but using his contacts and position in the EU to put him as head of a country for which he was not chosen by the people whose lives he now ruins.
Sturgeon do you think this person has ever done anything for love? you think she ven knows what to love means so consumed by power and a one track desire to be a Queen.
Biden, dubious historical credentials, a man who can’t even remember the names of his own children a creep. Macron do we think he understands love? Nope there is one thing that unites all of these people, and that is their urge to destroy love because by destroying love they destroy human beings, they fear love.
Boris friend, you’ve done three lockdowns (don’t forget last November to save Christmas) and guess what? We exceeded those numbers. Why? Because lockdowns don’t work (delaying infections doesn’t make them disappear) and you create more longterm health problems by doing them.
Many here have pointed out the “with” not “from” problem. Overall mortality numbers has to be the measure but we must remember we are going to start seeing more deaths stating this winter from delayed or denied treatments. Then you have the people who contract Covid while in hospital for things they will die from. It’s a big mess, and this government has no idea how to handle it. Boris, lockdowns stoke fear and placate the panicking but the cost/benefit calculation is far in excess on the cost side from lockdowns. Then again, you think after burning through hundred billion plus pounds we can still do HS2. You clearly live in a fantasy where everyone can get everything…except a McDonalds shake.
What a surprise, another
imprisonmentlockdown during flu season. On average 1500 people die a day and during flu season a good percentage of those will be from a respiratory disease. So 1000 a week is easily achievable. Boris must be coming in his pants (makes a change) at the prospect of abusing his power.So… what’s the plan to get rid of Boris? Moaning about him until he just vanishes?
We the people won’t be able to get rid of him for another 3 years. All we have is moaning, unless a hero appears and with the MSM propaganda thats unlikely.
I very much like the idea of moaning until he vanishes.
Could be organized like clap for carers: Every Thursday, lots of people stepping in front of their doors to curse and complain about the government and insult all the political bigwigs. Maybe with a few large, dangerous looking kitchen knives and some assorted death threats á la Don’t ever come close to my kitchen, Boris, I’ll skin you and roast you to make a dog’s dinner, just as you did with my life!
I doubt this would accomplish anything but it would certainly be very cathartic.
I shall have a laugh when elections are cancelled in 3 years’ time because of ’emergency powers due to Covid’.
This is a man destroying lives of British people and you want it to go on for another 3 years?
You could spoil your ballot paper by writing “None of the above” – that’ll show ’em!
I have thought about this but there’s nothing relatively isolated people living outside of London could do here. Revolutions start in capitals, because that’s where the government is. And even then, they still need leadership, otherwise, it’ll just end like the London riots of some years ago: Lots of destruction and looting, nothing accomplished, fizzling out after a few days.
Vox populi, vox Rindvieh.
[Otto v. Bismarck]
If you ask ten million cattle about their opinions on anything, the outcome will be a loud mooing.
Meanwhile, notice the ‘trending’ news stories warning of food shortages, in particular, meat. We haven’t been in full lockdown for approx. 2 months – there’s no excuse for food shortages – none whatsoever. The government is effectively creating an embargo on food imports because of the bullshit covid restrictions.
This was all predicted long ago, scoffed at by even people on this site. Once again, a conspiracy theory proven fact.
It’s hard to say of the cause because I’m sure we’re not being given the truth. Are they still blaming that ship that got stuck in the canal?!
It seems to me that being a long distance lorry driver, that crossing the channel is no longer a desirable route since we subject the poor drivers to constant covid testing both ways. Doubt they have to do that in mainland Europe where there is no border anyway. I reckon get rid of the testing and we’ll experience a sudden supply boost!
As far as I’m aware, it’s now to do with a shortage of lorry drivers. I don’t waste too much of my time reading MSM so I can’t say with certainty why. At a glance it seems to be to do with low wages – but let’s be honest with ourselves, we knew it was coming and it’s happening. Doesn’t really matter how or why – it is undoubtedly by design like all the other chaos being stirred up by the government.
Want to correct myself – we’ve only been out of full lockdown for only a month, yet here we are already listening to PM Fat Fuk Pfizer Pfeffel Pig talking about going back in.
Never forget this was the puppet cnut who repeatedly said that the long-drawn-out road map towards so-called “freedom day” was “irreversible”. It’s only took the bastard a month to reverse.
Never forget, never forgive. The fat pig bastard has wrecked our economy, screwed up our children’s future, made our NHS not fit for purpose, I could go on but I won’t, he needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history along with his pandering cabinet members. And those Conservative MPs who support the fat pig dictators agenda. They have stolen almost two years of our lives. Liber would probably steal even more. Where is Cromwell when you need him?
You all know where they live. Where are all the people who said “Over my dead body!” when it came to jabbing their kids? They’ve gone mysteriously silent now that it is actually happening.
Still, you can always write to your MP if you want to receive a standard photocopy which says “Blah, blah, blah, Covid, get a vaccination, stay safe.”
You haven’t been out of ‘full lockdown’ – there are still restrictions at the borders with obligatory PCR testing (expensive!) and forced quarantines. You have a ‘vaccine pass’ system in place, and children are going to be jabbed starting September. You are living in an open prison with an illusion of freedom.
And as soon as Boris and mates say “Boo!” you’ll be back in your lockdown, being allowed outside only once a day for ‘exercise’, and once again it will be 99% face masks in the supermarkets/public transport.
We can just eat our own meat and fish instead of exporting it.
But not lamb from the Lake District as its been irradiated from Windscale-Sellafield. Same with fish in the Irish Sea – positively glowing from the waste water that’s pumped out of that nuclear facility.
Time again to punish the plebs for behaving normally, for a few weeks. It ain’t about ‘health’, people.
It never was! We have been played big time by the globalist agenda.
Died from Cancer? No, Covid. Died in a car crash? Died from Covid. Commited suicide? Well, well. Another Covid death. All deaths are Covid deaths. Fuck the truth. Fuck you.
So when Covid ‘deaths’ hit ~10% of daily mortality we’re back to square one?
Nice low threshold to ensure they can bring that hammer down again.
Sweet. Boris pretending to himself that he’s in charge.
Come autumn, he will do exactly what Big Daddy Sage tells him to do, like he always has, and always will do.
Yep. Like watching Groundhog Day all over again.
They manipulate the criteria to get the result they want – PCT Ct > 25 and 28 days “with” COVID. I have no doubt if they want lockdown they will have one.
Well worth a watch. This guy is a hero.
A Message From Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. One Year After the Historic Rally in Berlin: “It’s Time For (peaceful) Civil Disobedience!”
https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/covid-19/a-special-message-from-robert-f-kennedy-jr-a-year-ago-after-historical-rally-in-berlin-we-must-resist-this-coup-detat/
The public is already conditioned to accept this for the coming winter. Everyone i talk to: “Yeah i suppose we’ll probably be in another lockdown this winter.”
People deserve to be in a ‘lockdown’ if they’re not prepared to do anything about it. All these months of meek acceptance. How about protesters going round to their local MP – is even that too hard? Doesn’t seem to have happened yet.
1000 deaths a week? Does that include the tens of 1000s of deaths the NHS is causing by refusing to treat people with anything BUT covid?
They’ve ‘crunched’ the numbers and found the sweet spot. Pure. Evil. STOP. THIS. NOW. Template letters, information, resources, positive news and useful links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
There won’t be another lockdown: Boris told us “Freedom Day” was irreversible. And he’s a man of his word…
Another triumph for hope over experience! We shouldn’t forget that Johnson said back in the spring i think that vaccines weren’t the reason for lower deaths, it was lockdowns wot dunnit so he was preparing the ground right back then.
There is no need for any lockdown. If there is another one coming it will be by the consent of the people. As were the last lockdowns.
If ‘Covid’ was a seriously dangerous virus, and not just a tool to scare everyone witless, then festivals such as the one taking place now in Reading would not have been allowed. But these festivals are great for the pharmaceutical companies and government ministers all taking their backhanders, as they are a source for ‘new variants’ and more “lessons will be learned” rubbish will be trotted out.
You are being conned day after day after day.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
Just stop all testing and, puff, problem solved.
Won’t stop the great reset though unfortunately.
I was naively thinking at the start of COVID scare when the fake NPIs started being implemented that soon the whole scam would buckle under the weight of a rapidly collapsing economy. However I was wrong: it hasn’t panned out like that. Why? Because under the principles of Modern Monetary Theory, which rules all economic thinking these days, the government will simply print the money it needs. We can all guess where this will lead, but in the short to medium term, because of MMT, no government has to face the consequences of its political decisions. MMT predicates useless, lying, venal politicians and zero opposition. In effect, the loonies ruling us have their foot on the accelerator and are driving the bus at full speed over the cliff.
This excellent article has more information: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/barneys-p-curve-and-the-governments-covid-folly/
Where, exactly, would a toll of 1,000 deaths a week be on the mortality lists?
Anywhere near the top?
And, presumably, Professor Neil Fergusson has his hand up Boris and is working him, because no serious scientist can demonstrate that lockdowns have achieved any benefit in mortality.
Its high time we demanded more accurate information on the actual causes of death. Covid is a convenient catch all. “Covid deaths” should be classified as follows i) primary or main cause of death ii) present in the body but not the trigger for death iii) caught whilst in hospital for another condition altogether.
What happened to “irreversible”? Just more crap from this crap government. Anyone know of a country anywhere where they don’t go in for medical tyranny?
Why shackle yourself by giving a specific number? The media will have a ball counting the deaths each week and badgering Bojo excitedly about whether this is the week to lock down. Even if, say, ‘deaths from Covid’ (however they choose to define that) reach 1001, but peak there and then fall away the media will be baying for him to honour his ‘promise’ and lock down.
Unless the People stop him, he & his cronies will 100% be mincing the numbers to lock us down again . They’ll assess public reaction via fake news leaks through the MSM ! Only the people will stop these conspirators against the people . You ALL KNOW this by now
“….impose further restrictions if the reported number of Covid-related deaths in the U.K. over the space of a year looked likely to rise above 50,000 (that’s just under 1,000 a week, or 137 a day)…”
Cancer deaths are over 3x as high at 450 a day, nearly 50% of people get cancer. Why is the fat bumbling buffoon not doing something about that???
Cost to the economy £30k per death? Utter nonsense. Average age of death is +80 so every one is a net saving.
so the vaccine works really well then?
Its now time to ignore the bastards, the more who do not play the fat blonds games the less they can control
More of the usual from Boris the cnut!
Priming the sheeple for the next phase. When will the idiots not see the pattern being repeated time and time again FFS?
Hands up everyone here who thought there wouldn’t be another lockdown.
That few eh?