We’re publishing an original piece today by Bella Wallersteiner, a Senior Parliamentary Assistant, setting out the case against trying to induce young people to get the jab by making entry to pubs/clubs/festivals conditional on showing a ‘Covid Status Certificate’. Here is an extract:
After a year in which many young people have lost their jobs, missed out great chunks of the curriculum in schools and universities and were forbidden from seeing their friends, coercing them into taking the jab is a perverse strategy. Altruistic young people worked in food banks, collected medicine and went shopping for elderly neighbours who were shielding or, inspired by the example of Captain Tom Moore, raised funds for the NHS. Instead of receiving praise for demonstrating resilience and kindness, young people are now being maligned for showing ambivalence in coming forward to take a vaccine which may do them harm. More needs to be done to convince them that the vaccine is safe and effective and that the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity.
Once vaccines for under-30s get the green light, the Government needs to come up with a new social contract for young people. What is the duty of a young person to society? Does a young adult have a moral obligation to protect an older one? The message should be that society is the glue which binds us together in a moral compact which transcends self-interest. By getting the vaccine you are helping the community at large. Young people should want to take the vaccine because they have decided that it is the right thing to do for their own health and for the safety of others. They should not be bullied into taking the vaccine out of fear of becoming second-class citizens or because they will be denied the pleasures of techno, house and trance dance music in clubs. The Government must treat young people like grown-ups and be prepared to have an adult conversation with them. The Prime Minister, who is such an effective communicator, particularly when addressing young people, should deliver a special broadcast specifically targeting UK citizens under 30 who have given up so much over the last year. He should thank them for their solidarity and support and exhort them to make one final collective effort to beat COVID-19 by having the vaccine. If this doesn’t happen, the whole project to eradicate the scourge of coronavirus could stumble at the last fence.
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“The Prime Minister, who is such an effective communicator, particularly when addressing young people, should deliver a special broadcast specifically targeting UK citizens under 30 who have given up so much over the last year. He should thank them for their solidarity and support and exhort them to make one final collective effort to beat COVID-19 by having the vaccine.”
Why are this twat’s ramblings repeated here? It has nothing to offer.
What possible grounds (beyond selling useless snake oil) is there for vaccinating anyone – let alone those under 30?
We might pass the peak of infection, but we never seem to pass the summit of idiocy and ignorance.
No – It’s not ‘Worth reading in full’
… or even in part.
Absolutely agree.
Dreadful piece of reasoning in this article.
If this is typical of other “Senior Parliamentary Assistants ” we’re in deep do-do.
Senior Parliamentary Assistant my arse. She’s a political bimbo.
(Had you not noticed the deep doo-doo so far, LMS2 ?
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Sorry Toby but I have to agree with Rick here.
I’ve been extremely grateful to have this site to come to in the face of covidbollocks but how you can promote the idea that it is wrong to compel young people (or anyone for that matter) to get vaxxed but it’s ok to guilt trip them into so doing ‘for the good of the community’ is beyond me.
As an aside, what is ‘vaccine cavalry’ hancock and the SAGE claque going to say to the millions already vaxxed when their particular brand has its (emergency) authorisation rescinded?
How do I get this vomit out of my keyboard?
You’re not special because you’re under 30. Nobody should have any interest in whether anyone else gets vaccinated.
But aren’t young people practically immune already to Covid? So how would vaccination be the right thing to do “for their own health”? As for the “safety of others” (presumably the elderly and other vulnerable people), if those people have already been vaccinated, what difference would vaccinating young people make? Those are two very simple, pertinent questions that young people need to hear.
So how would vaccination be the right thing to do “for their own health”?
We know that the Vaxx spike proteins mimicking the SARSCov2 ones have caused pregnancy miscarriages in women, Forty-three miscarriages and stillbirths have been reported following jabs as of Feb. 26, 2021, according to VAERS, in the USA. They will not be the only ones…
We know too that these novel spike proteins seem to affect ovulation.
We also know Kill Gates is a Malthusian, as is Sir David Attenborough, who is also fully onboard and being wheeled-out for the absolute zero carbon agenda.
Guess what folks? The WEF climate change plan has always included a depop angle…
Cue graphic.
How do we filter VAERS data base for pregnancy issues?
I tried Y for Birth Defects, but this just gave a few, completely junk, reports.
For credibility we need the source of this graphic please!
Another headline that seems to promise some common sense, followed by a piece that descends into scientific gobbledook.
A more fitting title would be “Young people should not be strong-armed into getting vaccinated….you should lie to them and morally blackmail them instead”
The article claims that “More needs to be done to convince them that the vaccine is safe and effective and that the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity.”
So essentially, young people need to be lied to – the vaccine is not 100% safe, and covid 19 is not going to be eradicated, whatever you do. It is illogical to mass vaccinate the population with diminishing returns as risk goes down from the virus. The virus does not promote herd immunity.
Please, LS, stop promoting these lies. The government itself does not claim that the vaccine will eliminate covid or that it prevents infection or transmission – look at the posters! Why on Earth is LS publishing an exclusive piece that promotes misinformation and essentially recommends brainwashing and emotionally manipulating young people – haven’t we already seen the untold damage of the psychological warfare waged on the UK population?
Please let us remember that these vaccines are authorised for emergency use only – there is no emergency for otherwise health under 50s.
“the vaccine is not 100% safe”
Few things are – but, beyond that, is the other half of the equation – Benefit. And I can’t find any real, quantifiable benefit for these jabs when you dig into the figures.
Yes that is my point, no vaccine is 100% safe, and whereas in more vulnerable groups the benefit may outweigh the risk, for under 50s, the vaccine would have to be unfeasibly safe to make it worthwhile taking. You and I may know perfectly well that few things are 100% safe but that is not how the vaccine is being endlessly pushed, hence my plea to LS to stop promoting government propaganda…..
No, the vaccine is not 100% safe and we do not yet know the long term effect on fertility. Unless this is all part of a depopulation plan?
So young people aren’t to be coerced but they are to be morally blackmailed. What a load of *&&*@&&#*.
What goes through the minds of people who write such nasty stuff? It reads to me as if the young are being treated like idiots and being encouraged to virtue signal. Some of them still have their own minds thankfully.
Let’s not even mention the fact these are not vaccines and are still experimental.
If this was Ebola AND if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity AND if they were proper, diligently developed and safe vaccines, then it could be justified to coerce all people into getting it, even if/as herd immunity/the HIT remained a myth in practice.
For SARS Cov2/Covid 19, which is not a suitable candidate for a successful vaccine as per the stsndard 4 criteria for this anyway and in general, which has a minuscule and defined target group IFR, for which treatment options are the correct course of action but were deliberately ignored, for which only novel, not properly trialled gene therapies with for years unknowable side effect risks exist as ‘vaccines’ that do not provide sterile immunity but have created the previously non&existant asymptomatic infectiousness, made people more susceptible to infection in the weeks after getting jabbed and gave rise to mutations, or, in short, which only made the overall situation far worse,
no form of coercion, let alone discrimination is justifiable and tolerable.
But then, this never was, still isn’t and won’t ever be about a health issue.
Only about reducing life expectancy for the people and gaining more money, power and control simultaneously.
“If this was Ebola AND if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity AND if they were proper, diligently developed and safe vaccines, then it could be justified to coerce all people into getting it, even if/as herd immunity/the HIT remained a myth in practice.”
If all of the above were true, coercion would not be required. One can find scenarios where lockdowns and the like may arguably be morally justifiable for the greater good, but they are fairly unlikely to happen in practice – however the killer blow is that govts the world over and the checks and balances that are supposed to exist the world over have shown very clear they CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH SUCH POWERS. So regardless of some specific case where it may actually “save lives”, I do not think govts should ever be able to coerce people in the name of public health.
2003 ‘We must invade Iraq to remove Hussein because he is killing his own people … and he has WMD’
2013(?) credible reports of excess deaths of 500,000 Iraqi civilians as a direct result of the war of aggression.
Hussein may have been ‘killing his own people’, but if so, it was many orders of magnitude below the wanton killing of the ‘right to protect’ zealots.
The Globalists do not care one fig about anyone outside their clique. That attitude has now come home.
I have been trying to figure out why Johnson would distance himself from the effectiveness of the vaccine roll out 13/04/2021 · The Prime Minister has said that the fall in Covid-19 cases is not due to the vaccineroll-out programme but it is … not vaccines, responsible for fall in Covid-19 cases, says Boris Johnson. Could it be that vaccine passports are not likely to make it through parliament due to expected Labour opposition? And so, with this method of state control in our lives not possible, he has decided to fall back on the tried and “trusted” lockdown.
When you look at the age relateded “case” figures you will see a shift in the age groups most affected from the 80s plus at the start down to teenagers and their parents (late thirties and forties) last month, which of course is what you would expect since the mass testing in schools started.
However all the way through, the admissions and mortality figures have stubbornly “favoured” the elderly.
The “vaccines” are neither licensed nor approved. They are merely authorised for use in an emergency. Mockdowns sustain the essential “emergency” charade.
Vaccinating healthy and in particular young people for whom the vaccination is more dangerous than the disease is highly unethical.
This is clearly the case here, in light of the unknowable but possible and serious medium and long term side effects of the novel gene therapy ‘vaccines’.
Even if the theoretical, mythical and dubious concept of herd immunity/the HIT existed in the real world and/or if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity, which they obviously don’t.
But you cannot argue anything with an innumerate cult member like Bella W. or Craig Murray.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/04/17/is-the-astra-zeneca-vaccine-killing-people/
Don’t get carried away : relative (not absolute) population immunity is an aspect in the life of a virus – but not necessarily a feature of a vaccine.
Nobody should be strong-armed into taking the vaccine.it isn’t as if the pro vaccine message isn’t persistent enough.
a poor article, with an elephant sized logical flaw at its heart.
There is still no proof these prophylactics stop people getting Covid or passing it on, so quite how taking the “vaccine” helps your fellow man is a bit of a mystery.
Dreadful piece LS!
Coercing people to take an experiment treatment breaks the Nuremberg Code so too does suggesting taking to protect others!
Stop promoting this BS please!
When I think of bojo effective communicator would not be my first thought
A proven liar is not an effective communicator in my book!
Johnson a great communicator? Are you having a laugh? This buffoon can read a script well enough but outside of that he’s a frikkin’ car-crash. Wake up!
What a load of bollox!!
The under 30s dont need the vaccine at all. It will do nothing to protect them or anybody else. So sick of this bullshit now.
Goodness me this is awful.
Gods teeth! This must be the worst article I’ve read yet on this site.
The argument that the young should risk their health and wellbeing in a clinical trial for the sake of people who have had the good fortune to live into old age is loathsome and immoral.
There’s something deeply fucked about our society.
Totally. The moral course of action has now become the immoral course in the cranial mush of the cretinous public. Argue for the clear moral route and you get demonised. Argue for the evil and selfish route and you get a freedom passport.
It is not even accurate. The producers of these gene-based interventions do not even claim they prevent infection NOR transmission, so they are not even helping protect others if they have the injections, but they could be doing themselves and future generations untold harms.
“ The Government must treat young people like grown-ups and be prepared to have an adult conversation with them.”
Well, true, but then they could have started by trying to have an adult conversations with general population of the UK, or even just with themselves.
I suppose LS can’t keep repeating the same stuff over and over again but really because the whole corona industry is built on such a house of cards there’s little new that can be said beyond restating the obvious. Everything else is more or less just fiddling around at the edges.
Agreed. Too much pointless and circular discussion. It’s an endless routine of fatuous stuff trying to justify or put a gloss on perpetual and colossal mistakes.
YoungPeople Should Not be Strong-Armed Into Getting VaccinatedI’m a big fan of the lockdown scepticism but I’m getting more and more frustrated with the anti vac sentiment on comments section. F you don’t wanting, fine, I support your right to free choice but don’t brand all of us who choose to accept the vaccine as idiots. It’s condescending to to told I’m wrong because I choose to accept the Vaccine. Have your view and respect mine. Otherwise you’re just as bad as those who say we must all have the vaccine.
To be fair I see astonishingly little “anti-vax” stuff on here, just anti THIS vaccine.
I’m against these vaccines for the record and it’s up to you if you want to take it. I believe however that there should be no state level intervention where vaccines are concerned, let the market decide on that one (and I’m broadly a ‘left-winger!)
We are fighting a battle for our lives to retain our “free choice”.
Of course you’re entitled to accept the vaccine. Just as people on this site will support your freedom to stick on a red nose, stand on your head and whistle ‘Rule Britannia’.
… which is about as useful and ridiculous as getting a needle stuck in your arm for no measurable benefit.
the difference being that I am not going to stop you being vaxxed if you want to be. I am entitled to think you’re an idiot, just as you are entitled to think I am one. what is unacceptable is you forcing me to be vaxxed against my will. in the not too distant future we will find out which of us was actually the idiot, won’t we.
The only suggestion of idiocy is aimed at the (rather large number, thanks to the massive, dishonest, propaganda campaign, of) people allowing themselves to be injected without due consideration; those who are not giving informed consent.
There is uncertainty in an individual’s personal risk from CoViD, and in the risk to him of the experimental injections. I do not believe anyone can know the correct answer, in the case of a stranger, and, possibly, even for someone he knows very well.
So, the raw declaration of your decision provides no basis to accuse you of idiocy.
Cap … fits … . Nobody likes to be told they’re wrong. Even if they ARE.
The respect is due to your right to hold a view. Whatever it might be.
Not to the outcome of what passes for your thinking.
Young person, you have a brain. You have a mind. You have a body.
They belong to you.
Use your brain, make up your own mind, use your body wisely, because sure as hell you’ll never get another,
This is possibly the worst article I have read on this site. Time to redirect donations somewhere where coercive experimental mass vaccination isn’t promoted.
Protect others by having a leaky vaccine that has no benefits except possibly to those already at deaths door (but which may be offset by side-effects culling them)? Really?
Oh, and “What is the duty of a young person to society?”. The duty of every citizen is to resist this bullshit, take off their muzzles, decline pointless experimental medical procedures and do good by not causing third world starvation, suicides of all ages, destruction of culture and quality of life, and general fascism. It is certainly not their duty to take an utterly useless “vaccine” so that they can get a nice NHS “I’ve had my jab sticker” (yes, really).
God’s teeth! Does Toby Young really think this pro-Covid jab piece by a know-nothing “Senior Parliamentary Assistant” is worth reading in full? Clearly he has lost the plot somewhere along the line.
Lost the plot – or earned a pot!
“the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity….The message should be that society is the glue which binds us together in a moral compact which transcends self-interest. By getting the vaccine you are helping the community at large.”
More than a whiff of communism in this article.
There’s no sense in young people having a vaccine that they don’t need, and which may present more harm to them than CV19 itself.
If the vaccines work, and the older population have already been vaccinated, then anyone under 50 should make the decision for themselves, not anyone else, and not “the community at large.”
These vaccines have barely been tested before being pushed onto the general public. Those at negligible risk from CV19, should not have it.
What on earth is this article doing on the LS site? Worst posting yet!
Dr Coleman: “They want to kill billions”
https://thewhiterose.uk/dr-coleman-they-want-to-kill-billions/
I do a lot more lurking than commenting on this site, but I have to make an appearance in order to say that this is an absolutely atrocious article, badly thought out and badly argued. I completely fail to understand what Toby is doing – he owes his followers an explanation.
I agree with all the negative comments here. The article is mindless propaganda dressed up as a liberal point of view. I would also like to add that I think many lockdown sceptics are making a similar mistake to the one they made last summer when they said there would not be a second wave. Now they all seem to be pinning their hopes on the vaccine as the way out of this mess. The way out of this is not hoping the virus is over or that we now have a wonder cure. The way out is for the public to grow up and say enough is enough of this nonsense.
If you look at all causes mortality there wasn’t a second wave. An increase in mortality, certainly, but no sign of the classic epidemic curve. The causes of the excess mortality in the autumn and winter were therefore almost certainly different. Some deaths from COVID of course; some deaths from the collateral damage from lockdown; and some deaths from the vaccine side-effects pushing elderly people in care homes over the edge.
Don’t look at the “cases” and “deaths from COVID” graphs – the data has been corrupted. All causes mortality is the key to it all.
Despite the broad definition of “covid deaths” they are now way down in the noise, and all cause mortality has dropped too. So ovbiously we must stay locked down and get our jabs
There has not been a ‘second wave’, there was a seasonal Autumn return which is what virus do.
The only strange thing about 2020 was that the March April event was out of season because CCP.
Another article assuming that my freedom, and societies freedom as a whole, is conditional on a successful vaccine uptake? So presumably if there hadn’t been a successful vaccine produced we’d have to be locked up indefinately? Lockdown is, in fact, the right thing until you get jabbed?
No thanks. I’m not interested in that.
And the idea that there is any particular moral duty to avoid infecting other people is simply strange. Our immune systems are designed to be challenged, prior to 2020 you didn’t blame people for catching things, you simply accepted it as a fact of life and got on with it.
Finally, if younger people have a moral duty to protect older people by taking on a risk, then don’t older people have the same moral duty to protect the young? Maybe by not locking them up for a year, forcing them to be iscolated, destroying the economy (and their futures) in order to avoid a normal risk to humanity.
But the older folks didn’t decide on lockdown, the government made all the decisions for everyone.
I’m afraid all age groups are equally ‘guilty’. The setting of one against another is just playing the government’s game.
I wasn’t attacking those older groups, so sorry if you felt that way! I was simply pointing out the flaw in the logic of the article.
The moral duty argument doesn’t even apply! The mRNA gene based interventions are new ‘experimental’ drugs and none of the producers even claim they reduce infections OR transmissions, so having an injection of one of these has a zero impact on others. The efficacy data simply refers to reducing the severity of symptoms and the need for hospitalisations – that is they only affect the recipient. But it does not take into account the numbers of low or zero risk people who have been vaccinated experienced severe adverse events that required hospital treatment and admissions – or deaths. Each individual has a legal duty of care to themselves. Since the drugs do not have any proven protective impact on others,, then the duty of care to others cannot apply in this case.
Nobody should be strong-armed into taking the jab (to coin a phrase!).
As others have stated this must be the worst piece of badly written covid propoganda I have seen on this site.
This ranks alongside the garbage put out by 77 on the forums.
Blatant propoganda and downright insulting.
So LDS is publishing fiction now.
This wasn’t fiction, it was blatant propaganda.
I had trouble reading as soon as I hit “eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity”. Zero Covid? Seriously?
Yes this is from the Zero covid school of thought. We don’t need to eradicate this virus. The phrase “all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity” is nauseating and very frightening. At least we now know what the government’s real agenda is. Anyone not wanting to take an experimental medication is then a bad citizen!
I was flabbergasted to read it on here to be honest, it’s the complete opposite of what this site is supposed to be about. At least I thought it was…
And solidarity? Solidarity is what you fight people with not viruses.
Just about the worst article I’ve read on this site. Quite sickening.
Someone should explain to young people the benefits of catching Covid and developing natural immunity, which is likely to be longer lasting than vaccine immunity (a couple of days ago LS featured a piece saying that vaccines produce a weak T cell response and antibody levels fall fairly quickly) and likely to be more effective against variants.
A few months Sunetra Gupta said in an interview that she would prefer to catch Covid and develop natural immunity, and she is at slightly higher risk of serious illness than the under 30’s. As someone roughly the same age as Gupta I completely agree with her, and it’s one of the reasons I won’t be having the jab.
Just No, No, No. Covid is not going to be eliminated and why would we even want it to be or try to eliminate it? No one should be coerced into these vaccines what ever their age. We do not make everyone take a flu vaccine. Such a terrible idea.
Oh dear, not good at all.
Where is the reasoned, objective and rational argument for anyone under 65 to take this experimental drug for a relatively benign illness for the vast vast majority in that age bracket?
According to Michael Levitt on Ivor Cummins recent pod, no country in the world has experienced excess death in the under 65s. That stat and the average age of 80+ of the ‘victims’ tells you how benign it is to most.
Go on Bella or Toby, please give it a better shot to make that reasoned, objective and rational argument because this article doesn’t come anywhere close. I doubt that you will be able to, but go on surprise us. Emotional blackmail along the lines of ‘please take one for the team’ doesn’t count.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
― Lenin
I know this is slightly off topic but watching Prince Philip’s funeral today really hammered home to me the cruelty of the current regime. What kind of sick bastards make it law that widows must sit alone uncomforted at their husband’s funerals. Also, why the hell is nobody questioning or standing up to this nonsense?
Why the hell did the queen accept it?
She’s the bloody head of state.
Virtue signalling.
She may have felt that it was her duty to set an example.
Poor thing looked so tiny and cowed.
She’d better keep an eye on the corgis. I had a few meighbours who outlived their husbands by years, but their dog only by weeks or months
Ok, so, the UK started its vaccination programme on the 8th December, and my understanding is that there is a concern about covid jabs being linked to depressed immunity in the frail 4-9 days after the jab. And then it takes some days more to report deaths. So I have taken UK deaths attributed officially to cv from 19/12, before the jabs could have affected figures much, and from other places on 20/12, through a period running up to last weekend, and have adjusted all figures for the UK population for ease of comparison, using official worldometer figures. This gives the following results:
UK deaths 19/12-10/04 – 60,005
Brazil deaths (all following are 20/12-11/04 and UK equivalent figures): 53,253
South Dakota: 45,329
Spain: 39,842
France: 39,769
Sweden: 37,832
Peru: 36,248
Belgium: 28,616.
And then there’s Gibraltar! But don’t worry, the AZ jab is completely safe…
Your analysis seems about right. As an aside I suspect it was the vaccine that did for Prince Philip. They have been notability quiet on the exact cause of his death and his health steered to deteriorate not long after it was reported he had his Covid jab.
Would they tell us if it was?
Who gives a toss? At 99, he was going to die of something fairly soon – like the majority of Covid victims. A fortunate man, by any criterion. I reckon that there’s more to worry about concerning those dying early because of a lack or a delay in diagnosis because of the hysteria.
I logged on to find out how I have my account erased as I’ve made a decision to step back from commenting on LS. But this moved me to comment.
“They should not be bullied into taking the vaccine out of fear of becoming second-class citizens or because they will be denied the pleasures of techno, house and trance dance music in clubs.”
Unless I’ve completely lost touch with the young, what the author is describing are Generation Xers, (who the f@5k listens to techno any longer?), who are now in their 50s and mid-40s. If you overlook the fact that they are actually alarmingly compliant, (you are after all talking about a generation that grew up with the AIDS epidemic blighting their Sex Ed to the detriment of consent), they’re no one’s idea of young.
They’re tired, worn down by repeated recessions and costs spiralling out of control. They’re high functioning alcoholics, thanks to propaganda from TV series like Friends and Sex and the City. Their children are f@5king car wrecks, and never even got to leave home to ping back, like they did. They’re broken, they’re sick, they’re on anti-depressants and pain meds. All they want is for things to stop being quite so shit.
And if these are the people who the author wishes the Prime Minister to reach out to, it’s best not to yeh? Just let them alone. His party’s policies blighted them, their children, their country and their legacy, with a brief break in which Labour took over, and, unimpeded by the Conservatives, pissed their youth up a wall. With one or two exceptions, they all think Johnson is a wanker, and Starmer is a waste of space with Blair hair. They despise the party, it’s leaders and it’s opposition.
BUT they’re far too resigned and broken to fight, so do us all a favour and let them work until they retire, (if they ever do). When, if they’re lucky they’ll drop dead whilst throwing shapes to some banging “choons” in clubs, once more. And leave the poor old millennials alone too while you’re on it.
No one knows better than this, (not remotely young), Generation of “techno, house and trance” lovers, that what the Manic Street Preachers said was true. “If you tolerate this, your children will be next”.
If you think about it, we’re pretty much at no mask, no food. Do you really think the Government that brought this state of affairs into being will suddenly show restraint when it comes to coercing under-30s to take the vaccine?
I’ve never worn face knickers.
I buy food.
I eat well
Young people should want to take the vaccine because they have decided that it is the right thing to do for their own health and for the safety of others.
Good grief!!!!!!!!!
The moral duty argument doesn’t even apply! The mRNA gene based interventions are new ‘experimental’ drugs and none of the producers even claim they reduce infections OR transmissions, so having an injection of one of these has a zero impact on others. The efficacy data simply refers to reducing the severity of symptoms and the need for hospitalisations – that is they only affect the recipient. But it does not take into account the numbers of low or zero risk people who have been vaccinated experienced severe adverse events that required hospital treatment and admissions – or deaths. Each individual has a legal duty of care to themselves. Since the drugs do not have any proven protective impact on others,, then the duty of care to others cannot apply in this case.
I eat food so that other people don’t get hungry.
I wear clothes so that other people don’t get cold.
I take the Pill so that other women don’t get pregnant.
If you don’t do the same for me, you’re a really, really wicked young person.
not worth reading LDS anymore ..
UK Column News censored on (off) YT on Friday .. my guess because they reported that a 2 month old baby died during vaccine trials
Thanks Helen – I was wondering why there was no sign of their Friday show.
It’s easily available direct from their website.
Their YT account has been suspended for a week. I think the trigger was the account that someone gave about their husband’s experience with “vaccine” transverse myelitis. They still broadcast on other platforms and their own website.
Omg, pass me the bucket!
WHAT????
Anyone who thinks there is a last fence in a project to eliminate the coronavirus ‘scurge’ is going to find themselves galloping around and around on an eternal steeplechase.
Yet more zero-covid nonsense. The author of this wretched piece talks about how wrong it is to “bully” the young – and then proceeds to promote a strategy based on moral bullying.
Why this piece is highlighted on LS at all, let alone described as “worth reading in full”, is beyond me – unless it’s to properly understand some of the outrageous thinking permeating in government circles.
We really have lost the plot in this country – and in many others it seems. We seem to be utterly terrified of a disease which, whilst serious, is not really all that much more deadly than a very severe flu. I’m stuck in a kind of Groundhog Day, back in March 2020, desperately trying to figure out “what health emergency?”
We’ve never properly “benchmarked” any of this. By this I mean we’ve never had a clear, consistent target – and the result is this purgatory of the will-we, won’t-we, never-ending cycle of restrictions and lockdown.
This is why comparison with flu is so pertinent. Our experience, and acceptance, and complete lack of terror, of flu should have been a sensible benchmark all along. If we don’t lose our collective marbles over flu, then once the threat level of covid has been reduced to that of flu, the “emergency”, such as it was, is over.
Yet this government seems driven to pursuing a zero-covid policy in all but name – and it’s absurd.
As to vaccinating the young, then once the vulnerable have been vaccinated who, precisely, are the young “protecting” by being vaccinated? There are no vulnerable people left to “protect” – for the healthy non-vulnerable this disease carries such little real risk as to be at least an order of magnitude less serious than flu.
And that’s assuming the vaccines actually do provide this “protection”. We’ve been told, repeatedly, that the vaccines neither prevent you from catching covid, nor passing it on. So I’m a little confused as to what “protection” we’re talking about here?
This article is the worst I have ever read on LS. Utter claptrap. It’s quite frankly disgusting and as another commentator said, it has “More than a whiff of communism in this article”…..all wrapped up in the language of brainwashing…….. Haven’t young people suffered enough due to the perverse, unethical and immoral lockdown?? And now this!! Morally blackmailing those who have already been punished to take the vaccine when they have an infinitesimal chance of becoming seriously unwell with covid 19 or transmitting it…..and all the vulnerable people have been vaxxed…..this just defies belief. Welcome to communist Britain. I am, quite frankly, outraged.
I totally agree with many of these comments, whilst I understand LS has to provide a balanced view unlike our MSM I am constantly frustrated by some of the clear propaganda type messaging being put out in the newsletter. This is clearly linked to the type of messages within the Chinese social credit system whereby young people are indoctrinated to comply in return for access to the things they want to do. It is appalling. This is not to say young people should respect or help their older generation but this swings both ways and I do t think the older generations respect or are willing to help the younger generations. I feel that many older people are being utterly selfish with regards to lockdown, many sitting comfortably on nice pensions in a lovely gardens and the government fawning over them for getting the jab like good citizens. The future for the young is bleak whether it is ‘The Great Reset’ or even if by some miracle their plans crash and we face massive debts, taxes, huge health crisis caused by the physiological propaganda and NHS reduction in care for all.
77th, thy name is Young.
What is fucking wrong with you. Is this site now called vaccines are great? You are posting article’s that are absolute bollocks. NO YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD BE GETTING THE JAB, THEY ARE AT ZERO RISK. You have totally gone the opposite of the vast majority of your members. Stop printing this pro government bullshit. Go over the park and see hundreds of kids playing together without masks. Stand outside school. All maskless on the bus. How many have the virus? Fuck all. I’m giving up on this site it’s fucking useless.
Toby et al at LS,
As you know, I’m a huge fan and 99% of what you publish is top drawer. So, I guess it was only a matter of time before an ‘iffy’ article slipped through the net that really ought not to have been published. This is that article: not good, not good at all! Others have outlined the reasdons why, so I won’t repeat them here. Fingers crossed this is just a one-off blip and not a taste of things to come!
“a one-off blip”
For a “huge fan”, you don’t seem to have been reading the updates much!
Here’s one positive reason for publishing this article here: it gives us an insight into how government and the civil service thinks, i.e. like good little socialists.
Here’s another glimpse from the dreadful Huffington Post:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/black-lives-matter-covid_uk_60706561c5b6616dcd772211
“Black Lives Matter May Have Reduced Spread Of Covid, Says Sage
Scientists advising government concluded BLM “facilitated open dialogue which increased knowledge” about the pandemic.
The Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement may have helped reduce the spread of Covid, scientists advising the government have said.
Experts on the ethnicity subgroup of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) said the anti-racist movement “fostered greater empowerment within the Black African and Black Caribbean community and enabled these groups to express their frustrations of many years”.
“This new empowerment may have created a sense of optimism and facilitated open dialogue which increased knowledge and contributed to greater use of cultural, religious and collaborative approaches to reducing risk and transmission of Covid-19 in Black communities in the UK,” the scientists said.”
They really cannot help themselves can they ?
I almost threw my computer reading this garbage.
The answer to the title is ‘no one should be strong-armed into having these vaccines’. No matter their age, sex, creed or colour – NO ONE. The title alone is the end of democracy. Is this really the world you want to live in?
I’ll tell you what, when they come up with a vaccine that stops you catching it, stops you passing it on, stops you having to wear a pathetic mask, stops you having to get tested to get on a plane, train, automobile or your wife, that’s been tested to within an inch of its life and is deemed safe by a whole host of immunologists that don’t have shares in pharma or sit on a government board, I’ll gladly round up the PM and Cabinet’s kids, pop a vial, shoot it into their arms, and put the same juice into my kids.
Until then, my body will be cold, along with hell.
Toby, with all due respect, there’s long been speculation you’ve been got at. Publishing (thus endorsing) crap like this confirms it. Perhaps it would be better if you said nothing at all. I’ve lost all respect for your journalistic integrity – in my book, you’re now as bad as the rest and you’ve no idea of the pain it causes me to say that. Enjoy your Lordship.
“all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity” could be a line straight out of 1984.
Let’s get this straight, Mr Young, promoting this kind of government propaganda (for that is what it is) not only demeans you personally, it diminishes this site for the many who have found information, comfort and community within its ‘walls’.
To use the argument that young people must be jabbed in order to protect others, you are using a blunt and brutal weapon – guilt. To say this is beyond despicable is putting it mildly.
My health and welfare is MY business, as is everyone else’s health and welfare their own business. I neither need or want anyone, young, old or middling to do something to themselves on my account.
Very, very disappointed in you, Toby, as far as to say ‘shame on you’.
I don’t think it is wrong that such articles are sometimes highlighted.It is important to understand how they are spinning their stories.The answer to this suggestion you have below. Just the risk of VITT after the vaccine is higher than dying of C-19 and the higher death rate/anaphylaxis for the other mRNA vaccines is higher than dying from C-19 below.And then we have not yet excluded cancer risk,PAH risk,autoimmune risk which we will know in 2-4 years time. Any young heathy person taking the vaccine has a higher risk of dying from side effects than the disease if they ever going to contract it.Also the anxiety that long term side effects(see above)have not been excluded.
I agree these stories do need to be highlighted. It’s important to have the information in order to counter it. Doesn’t make me feel any less outraged though….
On a Lockdown Sceptics site, highlighting such a story would include an accompanying caveat.
Without the caveat, it’s just pure propaganda.
Had Toby started with a disclaimer . . .
The headline states young people should not be strong armed and then sets about doing exactly that and ends with the ludicrous nonsense we hear from Johnson. Completely misses the fact that even with falsified figures the worlwide total is only 3 million which isn’t even a drizzle let alone a puddle. As to the Glorious Leader Him Bad Joke Son being a great communicator, well, which moment in time was this then? Did I blink?
Also totally misses the bullseye, the post, the garage door and the entire world behind the posts by not mentioning the fact that young people simply do not need the Governments method of population eradication for any reason whatsoever.
The fact that this piece is advocating for ‘eradication’ of covid 19 says it all really. Yeah obviously people shouldn’t be banned from going to a festival for not taking the injection. They also shouldn’t be subject to an emotional blackmail campaign straight out of the playbook of Michie and her behavioural modification squad.
Think this site should be renamed Vaccination News.
Completely disgusted this article even featured on this site. Experimental mRNA biotechnology which is not even licensed yet, for which there is zero medium or long term safety data, which has not been tested for fertility side effects on animals let alone humans (see manufacturers’ own information documents), and for which the efficacy data refers ONLY to reducing the severity of symptoms and thus hospital admissions, and which none of the drug companies claim reduce infection or transmission risks, why on earth should young people be encouraged in any way to take these gene-based interventions? Being injected with them will have no positive effect on other people, but they could have adverse consequences for the recipients’ own health. Once this new biotechnology is injected it does not wear off or die off. It is a permanent feature of the body and could easily permanently interfere with the body’s natural innate, and particularly its adaptive immune system. Toby, I am afraid I am rapidly losing faith in you as an unbiased and intelligent Lockdown Sceptic, which is a reluctant admission from one of your most long-standing admirers.