Remember those headlines saying the UK had the highest number of Covid deaths in the world? Back in January, Sky News reported the UK’s daily Covid death toll was the highest in the world. Some news services went further, saying the UK had the highest number of Covid deaths per capita in the world. But new data published by Statista shows that, in fact, the UK’s deaths-per-million are the sixth-highest in the world.
Some small crumbs of comfort there for the Government.
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‘with’ or ‘of’?
Precisely. The figures are what is known in technical statistical terms as ‘shite’.
“This table aims to provide a complete picture on the topic, but it very much relies on data that has become more difficult to compare. As the coronavirus pandemic developed across the world, countries already used different methods to count fatalities, and they sometimes changed them during the course of the pandemic.”
Like comparing apples, pears, and peanuts.
yes – all cause mortality is better but it includes deaths from lockdown/health service denial/stress
we have massively overcounted covid deaths as you can see from the graphs of ‘covid deaths’ and ‘all cause mortality’
still – even if you took the data at face value – Sweden has knocked it out of the park. right down the table in covid deaths – one of the lowest in europe from all cause mortality (even more surprising as they had a very low death rate the year before), no maks, no vaccine, no lockdown, no mass testing
The point about ‘all-cause’ mortality is that it is the only reasonably reliable data. The other definitions have become so muddied that making sense is like untangling knotted string.
As you say, all-cause, by defintion, includes everything, but a serious epidemic makes its presence felt. So far, there has been no overall signal of exceptional mortality when judged against a proper baseline. Above the mean and median – but not exceptional.
exactly
All cause age standardised mortality is about as near as you are going to get compare outcomes between countries. Even then you have to allow for the relative harshness of prior flu seasons which affects how many people are susceptible in the population.
The UK Government seemed to want to label everything up as covid to ‘show’ how bad things were and how much lockdown ‘was needed’ albeit we know they don’t work. But that labelling can backfire.
Increase the PCR cycle threshold to 100 and test everyone daily and you should be able to have the highest covid death toll in the world.
Test nobody and your covid death rate is zero.
Its a massive own goal – decide on lockdown – exaggerate and overcount to scare people into it – end up being one of the worst countries in the world – thereby proving lockdowns dont work
I’m not sure that the populace at large is bright enough to grasp that the government has painted itself into the corner labelled ‘incompetence’.
It’s not just lock-down. It’s all the NPIs. They have decided to implement a range of measures on the back of bigging up the claims of disaster. Following that, the UK has, far from showing reduced mortality, ended up with one of the highest rates in Europe (by government’s own admission).
Round in a circle.
The populace at large is barely capable of standing on its hind legs.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/germany-restricts-use-of-astrazeneca-jab-to-over-60s
“Among women under the age of 70, Germany has recorded one case of blood clotting in every 61,400 vaccinations, making the disorder extremely rare.”
“In Britain, where AstraZeneca is also a central pillar of the vaccine rollout, many fewer cases of blood clotting have been reported, with the UK’s MHRA only recording four cases of cerebral venous sinuous thrombosis between the start of the year and 14 March “
ie we have a problem with our vaccine side-effect monitoring. I doubt the germans are overcounting – I expect we are undercounting and putting them down as covid
I very much doubt that there are real significant differences between the 2 countries
Based on that Germany figure, for the average person under 65, that one side-effect alone makes it comparably dangerous to SARS-CoV-2. Absolute insanity. It may seem sensible to only vaccinate the seriously ill/vulnerable over 75 but the vaccine side effects are enough to finish them off (anecdotal ~50% fever alone should finish many of them).
agree. My risk of dying with COVID is likely lower than that. I think I know what my response is.
I would be surprised if the REAL covid death rate is even one tenth of the “official” figure spouted constantly by globalist slapheads such as witty and wancock .
Meanwhile today, they push for 12-15 year olds to have the “vaccine”, it goes on and on and on.
yep, if you take out old age I expect its a few thousand
“covid deaths” this year for under 50s is only 2.4% of the total
UK Column…18,000
I love the UKColumn but their figure for 18,000 seems back of a fag-packet stuff. However, it is certainly more thought-through and rational than the crap that SAGE have been pumping out.
During lockdown lite a Spanish citizen explained to me that it was ‘well known’ that the UK Government exaggerated Covid deaths upwards so that lockdown measures appeared less draconian per case/death whereas their (Spanish) government exaggerated the numbers downwards to disguise their incompetence in dealing with the pandemic.
I would appreciate some thoughts please on the French situation. Macron is expected to announce further restrictions this evening, with a full lockdown not ruled out. The graphs of ‘cases’ and deaths ‘with covid have followed a strange shape since Xmas. There has been nothing like the amplitude of either curve as in the UK and many other countries, but gradually the graphs are going upwards in a gradual increase almost linearly.
I have been looking at hospitalisations and ICU units in particular, and these are also exhibiting the same gradual increase.
During all this time France has had a 6pm curfew ( until it went to 7pm last week), schools open fully, most workers have been at work rather than at home ( well everywhere but Paris), shops open, cinemas etc closed. Masks compulsary in shops annd public offices, some towns/city centres are also operating mask policy.
The media and ‘experts’ are saying most new ‘cases’ are ‘UK variant’. There is definitely some ‘brexit’ bad feeling around in some quarters, the French feel let down, if they were honest with themselves its because they fear being left holding the baby vis-a-vis Germany.
The ICU situation in the poorer parts of Paris and the North East nearest Belgium does look poor, indeed the situation is a very stark west, OK; east not so good.
I am struggling to work out what is happening. This exhibits none of the usual virus bell shape behaviour. Increases are late for the respiratory season. Weather since we returned from Canaries almost 2 weeks ago has been good/very good.
Is this what happens when you are near herd immunity , but still restricting populations? I don’t think vaccines have anything to do with it.
Comments please.
I saw a report in a Paris hospital of 50% of patients under 45. Sounds like an influenza outbreak?
wouldn’t surprise me if we had one in the pipeline. countries have spent a year annihilating their citizens’ health through lockdowns
GAVI now reminding the world that Influenza A can be very serious, just a coincidence?
Reference is here:
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210331/half-our-covid-patients-are-under-age-of-43-report-staff-at-one-of-paris-most-under-pressure-hospitals/
But I agree, Euromomo z scores for France look like Macron is pulling the old ‘lockdown as soon as numbers start to fall’ trick in order to try and regain some much needed popularity.
It won’t work for him, and I very much doubt it has worked over here.
Some of the stuff being written about Britain’s PM is lethal:
‘I honestly couldn’t be more bored with hearing, from Johnson, that he’s done his best. And? I should hope you have done your best, prime minister. What do you want – a participation medal?’
‘Having had to live with the calamitously bullish version of Johnson for most of the pandemic, we’re now stuck with this equally needy data shagger. I imagine it’s rather similar to being Johnson’s partner over the period of an infidelity, followed by its discovery and aftermath. You think nothing could be worse than the cavalier, exuberant, secretive Johnson – until you’re stuck at home with the dreary, careful, performatively penitent Johnson, forever inviting you to check his phone just to be sure.’
‘…the ongoing revelations about David Cameron’s prime ministerial afterlife as a high-level lobbyist for collapsed financial service firm Greensill have had me wondering just what a clusterfuck Johnson’s post-prime ministerial career will be. Can you imagine the japes once Johnson – forever whining about money – moves into this restraint-free zone?’
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/barnard-castle-johnson-covid-vaccines-irony-shame
Ho hum………
looks to me like it just peaked
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
a rather small secondary peak in comparison to first
no excess mortality
https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
sounds like macron is talking up some rather unexceptional numbers so he can blame the british variant
someone sent me a news report from new zealand a few days ago saying their hospitals are overwhelmed
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300262252/new-zealand-hospitals-in-crisis-after-biggest-january-february-on-record
Whatever some NZ hospitals are overwhelmed by, it’s not Covid cases. The Ministry of Health website has all cases in managed isolation, not hospital.
Anyone would think this has never happened before!
“the graphs are going upwards in a gradual increase almost linearly”
so R must be falling – as expected with spring coming in
Thank you all for the response. Macron announced thst schools will close for 3 weeks, being Easter this peobably will have little difference. he also extended the ‘light’ lockdown that was in Paris etc to the rest of the country from Saturday ( leaving time for everyone planning to visit relatives over Easter to do so) , which in essence meand no inter-regional travel and 10km travel restrictions without attestations. More or less everything else stays the same.
Obviously this virus continues to be super-intelligent and knows all about these stupid restrictions.
However having read your responses I still have no more idea why the hospitalisations and ICU incumbents have been steadily increasing for 3 months almost linearly. Its just not how a virus is expected to affect a population. Maybe its flu not covid, but flu doesn’t operate in straight lines either.
There is something very odd going on and I would very much like to know what it is.
Ok chaps ( no sex implied), Macron immediately came out pushing the new improved vacccination timetable. So leaving everything else on the table, I am left with the nasty taste in the mouth that suggest these numbers have all been concocted to try to persuade the 50% or so of reluctant citizens to have the jab. What a lovely world we live in!
I am wondering whether the explanation may lie where a sudden spike of covid infections and deaths occurs round about the time of new mass vaccination uptakes. Thats what seemed to happen in Gib and also in uk in January. Also Hungary has had sudden spike—all related to roll out of mass vaccination campaigns. Claire Craig seems to link this with temporary sudden drop in immunity after vaccination – for about 2 weeks or so.
Gibraltar seem to have the highest death rate in the world. They overtook us mid January according to this graph, and Czech republic overtook us late Feb
It’s the vaccine, more fool those that take it.
The actual death figures for 2020 show that the official government statistics are exaggerating Covid deaths. Looking back over ten years and assuming an average death rate per year of 0.92%, I think the actual deaths due to Covid 19 and those in excess of normal year’s figures are about 62,000.
2010 561666 62759500 0.89%
2011 552232 63285100 0.87%
2012 569024 63705000 0.89%
2013 576458 64105700 0.90%
2014 570341 64596800 0.88%
2015 602782 65110000 0.93%
2016 597206 65648100 0.91%
2017 607172 66040200 0.92%
2018 616014 66435600 0.93%
2019 615455 67530172 0.91%
2020 686000 67886011 1.01%
The uk has never had the highest death rate per capita! I often check it… it’s currently Gibraltar