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London’s Pseudo-epidemic

Kathy Gyngell has written a cracking piece in Conservative Woman responding to the threat of Tier 3 restrictions for London (a decision on which is expected next Wednesday, though it is being trailed as inevitable) on the basis that an “expert”, Professor John Ashton, said they were needed.

The growing body of evidence on the shortcomings of the super-labs set up to process hundreds of thousands of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests every day must have passed him by. Even the BBC was forced to report ‘Hundreds get wrong results due to Covid test error’ in the week preceding this latest round of Covid scaremongering.

That report is but the tip of the PCR iceberg. A week ago, research published in Clinical Chemistry confirmed what Dr Mike Yeadon believes, that laboratory contamination is a major cause of false positive COVID-19 tests. 

Yet once again it is not wise scientists like Yeadon the government heeds but fanatics like Ashton.

You have only to stop and consider the number of people who’ve been told to self-isolate unnecessarily, to stay off work, avoid any human contact,  who’ve been taken away from their front line duties; you have only to consider the number of  hospital patients unnecessarily and dangerously placed on a COVID-19 ward (where they really run a risk of catching it) to marvel at the insouciance with which these ‘experts’ call for more closing down of society and the economy.

Kathy notes a new report on the mass testing of 9,453 Cambridge students that last week found just positives in 10 pools of students, 100% of which turned out on re-testing to be false.

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1336679025335545857

Undeterred, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced mass Covid testing for secondary schools in the worst-affected London boroughs to try to curb rising “cases” in the capital. To be fair, these are lateral flow tests (LFT) not PCR tests, which are more accurate, though will still give false positives and false negatives, particularly if handled incorrectly.

But is London really in the grip of a deadly second wave of coronavirus that would rage uncontrolled if we do not maintain and even tighten the ruinous restrictions? PCR testing might give you that impression.

But what do other data show? Here’s London ICU occupancy.

This shows that only about 80% of ventilation beds are occupied, which is below average for the time of year. While it’s true that absolute numbers of ICU patients are a little above average in London at the moment, as far as hospital capacity is concerned that is not the crucial issue as long as hospitals are within their surge capacity, which they are.

What about 111 calls for potential Covid?

Nothing troubling there. This graph is also a close match in shape to hospital attendances for respiratory illnesses (like Covid and flu), which are still trending below the baseline. So where is this epidemic hiding? It must be somewhere. Perhaps there’s a clue here. This is the UK PCR “cases” graph.

And this is the ZOE app graph of estimated UK symptomatic Covid (which relies on reported symptoms so avoids most of the PCR false positive problems).

Not exactly the same shape – where’s the recent rise in cases? The ZOE team estimate there are currently around 311,000 cases of symptomatic Covid across the UK, a figure that has been in continuous decline since November 4th, before the last lockdown began. Yet this is not the picture our “gold standard” PCR testing is giving us.

So I ask again – where is the runaway epidemic, or even the beginnings of one, that could justify the kinds of life-limiting, job-destroying restrictions we continue to be forced to live under? Nowhere that I can see.

Stop Press: Sweden’s PCR “cases” continue to rise, but its ICU admissions fell last week, according to new figures published yesterday.

Perhaps that’s why the no-lockdown country still has no excess mortality this autumn, and falling fast.

Stop Press 2: The Welsh Government is planning a second firebreak lockdown from December 28th. The inexorable lockdown logic strikes again.

“I’ve Literally Kept My Parents Locked Up Since March” – Conservative MP

Caroline Nokes MP. Not a lockdown sceptic

Speaking on the BBC’s Politics Live on Monday, Conservative MP and former minister Caroline Nokes said:

I’ve kept my parents locked up since March. Literally locked up. I’ve done all of their shopping for them, run every errand, and at one point parked my car over their driveway so they couldn’t get out, because I am absolutely determined they are not going to increase the burden on our brilliant health service. Our brilliant frontline workers have been working incredibly hard over months and are exhausted, so to take unnecessary risks with the NHS now strikes me as being extremely foolhardy. That’s why I supported the measures last week. I’ve seen my area go into Tier 2, where there are still restrictions on the way people can go about their lives.

She later claimed her remarks were “lighthearted”. But there’s nothing lighthearted about the thousands of surgeries cancelled, cancers missed and lives lost through people trying not to burden our “brilliant” health service.

Read the full report in the Mail.

Hospital Hotspot

The Telegraph reports on the shocking case of Tameside hospital in Greater Manchester, where emergency patients were not tested on admission and Covid and non-Covid patients were routinely mixed.

Tameside hospital in Greater Manchester admitted Jean Hale, 79, as an emergency patient in June and put her on a ward with COVID-19 sufferers without swabbing her first.

By that point in the pandemic, NHS hospitals had been instructed to give coronavirus tests to all “non-elective” patients that required an overnight stay.

Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust accounted for a third of the 52 COVID-19 deaths in England’s hospitals in the week to September 10th. It reported 18 deaths at the hospital, up from six a week earlier.

Meanwhile, Telegraph analysis this week found that at least 100 of its 453 coronavirus patients since the start of August (equivalent to 22%) caught the disease whilst they were in hospital.

Sources have blamed the high number of deaths at the hospital on high rates of COVID-19 infections, as well as demographic factors, and have insisted that the hospital has rigorous infection controls in place.

However, it seems not all the rules were followed.

Where are the fever hospitals when you need them?

Stop Press: Another Telegraph exclusive from its sterling investigative work. The newspaper counted more than 10,000 patients who caught COVID-19 while being treated in hospital. Since August more than 16% of people treated for COVID-19 in hospital caught it whilst there, rising to nearly 40% in Hampshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.

A Cockupspiracy

Political theorist James Alexander has penned some “sceptical theses” on the Covid crisis for Lockdown Sceptics, in which he elegantly summarises the development of the sceptical standpoint over the course of the year. Here’s a flavour from the introduction.

I think we have to distinguish COVID-19 from Polis–20. COVID-19 is a disease caused by a novel coronavirus, which emerged in 2019. Polis-20 is the universal political response by governments, aided and abetted by the information, opinion and speculation establishments of various media, medical and scientific institutions in the year 2020 to perpetuate a triple policy which deliberately seeks to dehumanise and desocialise us through the use of masks, distancing and lockdown and has the unintended but certainly well understood triple consequence of damaging the economy as a whole, ruining our lives by constraining our economic and social activities and causing us to suffer more from deaths for other reasons (whether the reasons are economic, social or indeed medical). Polis-20 is also novel: indeed, entirely unprecedented. It is also foolish and evil: foolish because of its triple unintended consequence, and evil because of the nature of the triple policy itself.

It has a permanent place on the right-hand menu.

Worth reading in full.

A Postcard From the Maldives

Lockdown Sceptics readers Millicent and Nigel have written us a postcard from their terrifying trip to the Maldives, where everyone just wasn’t doing enough to keep them Covid safe.

Our journey to the Maldives began with sufficient Covid safe measures in place. Heathrow was a Covid friendly delight with strict social distancing and mask wearing enforced. We were comforted by our airline mandating full face visors over our masks, alongside gloves for all passengers. Prior to boarding all passengers temperature was taken causing me a great deal of anxiety being in the midst of menopause. Mercifully I passed and was relieved to see all stewards sensibly dressed in outfits suitable for a modern operating theatre.

However I did nearly withdraw my carbon offset payment when I noticed a fellow passenger removing his visor mid flight. He may have been inside his own cubicle in business class, but Nigel and I felt it reckless in the midst of a global pandemic.

Very funny. Worth reading in full.

Santa’s Got Covid! New Low For NHS Project Fear

That’s right, children, no presents this year because Santa’s on life support

The NHS has released a spectacularly distasteful Christmas charity ad that portrays Father Christmas catching Covid and being given oxygen before being nursed back to health. The Mail has given it a syrupy write-up, which seems to miss the mood of its readers if the comments below the line are any indication.

It’s the stuff of nightmares for children, as Father Christmas is rushed into hospital and nursed back to health in an emotional new appeal advert from NHS Charities Together.

The touching film, entitled The Gift, which celebrates NHS staff and volunteers, features a dramatic opening, with a very poorly Santa wheeled into a medical ward by paramedics and given oxygen.

It appears to be touch and go, with machines beeping and staff in full PPE as they do their best to resuscitate the elderly gentleman.

Thankfully he pulls through and over the coming days is nursed back to health by the caring ward staff. …

NHS Charities Together is a collective experience [you what?] representing, supporting and championing the work of the NHS’ official charities. 

The advert, set to the track People Help The People by British singer Birdy, was posted as part of the Gifts That Give Back Campaign, where people are asked to send gifts to NHS staff after such a challenging year.  

In a social media post, the charity said: “We’re delighted to share our Christmas campaign and video, which has been made possible thanks to generous brand partners. We adore the ad and dedicate it to all NHS workers who’ve given everything to care and keep us safe.”

Many people admitted the advert brought them to tears, with one social media user tweeting: “I absolutely love this Christmas film! Thank you to everyone involved.”

Another wrote on Facebook: “Made me cry in a good way! So beautiful.”

The comments BTL in MailOnline were not so complimentary. There were over 1,000 upvotes for “Disgusting manipulative nonsense” and nearly 800 for “How horrible to show Santa unwell, like kids aren’t worried enough.” “This is disgusting,” came in third with nearly 700, and fourth place continued the theme with “NHS Propaganda nonsense. Disgusting.”

Quite.

If you’d like to complain about the ad to the Advertising Standards Authority, click here.

Round-up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Will You” by Hazel O’Connor, “Count me out” by Lil Tecca and “Evil is going on” by Willie Dixon.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

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“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review yesterday, but the FSU may appeal the decision. Check here for updates.

Stop Press: Update from Simon Dolan in Conservative Woman: “Our lockdown fight goes on“.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels (attributed)

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

H.L. Mencken

I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.

Thomas Paine

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And Finally…

The satirical news site Babylon Bee has run a story about the new “cowboy hat mandate” in Texas.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott was heard yelling, “Yee-haw!” while firing two revolvers in the air – the traditional way to announce a new Texas law. This law is a new public safety mandate requiring all citizens to wear a cowboy hat when leaving their homes.

“This bill has been a long time coming,” said Abbott. “We need to flatten the curve of people being a bunch of Californians. That means everyone needs to wear a proper hat at all times and be a true Texan. Yee-haw!”

With this bill, anyone seen out in public without a cowboy hat will be approached by a Texas Ranger, who will say, “You ain’t from around here, are ya?” before tossing the offender across the state line.

The bill was mainly met with wide support. “Anytime you see someone near you without a cowboy hat, you feel unsafe,” said Tex Brewer, a Texan. “You wonder what that guy is up to. Is he going to raise my taxes or take my AR-15? I don’t cotton to that.”

The bill did receive some pushback, though. “Hat’s itchy,” said one man.

There will be some exceptions to the cowboy hat mandate, such as if your hat was just shot off your head in a showdown. There is also a mask mandate, but that only applies when you are robbing a train.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
5 years ago

I wear a mask to exhale my green slime and breathe it in again.

OKUK
5 years ago

RIP

The USA

1789-2020

Killed by poltical
correctness,
media censorship,
indifference of the public
and
horrific corruption.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Don’t get too depressed about it. There are millions of Americans who know all these things and – unlike us – have the means to defend themselves.

They have their war, we have ours.

OKUK
5 years ago

Biden winning the Presidency off the back of the Supreme Court’s refusal to call out the massive electoral fraud that took place is the equivalent of Hitler being given total power via an Enabling Act or Trotsky’s dismissal of the constituent assembly after the Bolsheviks took power. This is going to have very serious and very dark consequences for everyone who values liberty.

America just died.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

The government is just a gang really, isn’t it?

In the final analysis the reason that they can lock us up in our houses is that they have lots of guns and we don’t.

All power ultimately rests on the ability to mete out lethal violence on those over whom it is exercised.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

As of today in the UK, the power of the state rests solely upon the perception of its power by the citizens. There is no threat of deadly force. And in most cases, not even the threat of physical force. The threat of fines is about it, and even then not remotely universal. This is changing though, and we are in the firing line when the state necessarily becomes more aggressive.

In other words, as long as the battle remains primarily psychological, we have more than a chance of prevailing. There are already brutally slain individuals in places like the Philippines and Albania who never had this luxury.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I think the power of the state rests on the trust of the people.

Unfortunately the people can’t see how that power has been used against them; sadly the trust is still there. Perhaps because the alternative is unbelievable?

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Well this is the interesting difference between the UK and the USA. How will people in the US react to the fact that no one responsible- election officials, state officials, state and federal courts, (many of) t m (he people they elected to office as Republicans, FBI, DOJ, the federal electiin monitirs or, worst of all, SCOTUS – is going to do anything to stop the fraud?

There are over 300 million weapons held by private individuals in the USA. This could go any way!

OKUK
5 years ago

If you thought things were bad then be prepared, they just got a whole lot worse. The US Supreme Court just threw out out the Texas lawsuit about unconsitutional or corrupt practices in the election on the incrrdible basis that Texas has no “standing” = one state can be as corrupt as it likes in its Predisdential elections , ignoring the constitution as much as it likes , but another state has no “standing” to Co plain about it ! Unbelievable.

The worst SCOTUS decision ever. They’ve only had the case with them about four days. It’s extremely complex and as of yesterday various institutions and individuals were still filing amicus briefs and then they come out with this.

This means the literal end of democracy in the USA. The Republicans can never win another Presidency. What beckons now, in the fullness of time is either Civil War or a revolutionary Marxist regime or Chicom domination of a corrupt, Mugabe-style Democrat dictatorship that is “Marxist” in name only. My money is on the last.

So, well done SCOTUS, you’ve been protecting the USA and it s constitution for the last 250 years and now you’ve decided to… Read more »

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

And if people don’t think this will affect us in the UK, boy are you in for a shock!

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The think the USA will be broken up into regions. The country is so badly divided that the concept of a federal union is fading. It was predicted in one of the fluffy WEF promotional videos that the USA would no longer be a predominant world power (the same one as: “In 2030, you’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy“).

For what it’s worth I have a good mate in the States who is a solid sceptic but has always been deeply suspicious of Trump, and regards Biden/Harris as a fitting epitaph for a broken nation.

You are right, if anyone has been twitchy about a world order dominated by the USA for the last 75 years, just wait until the CCP sink their teeth into your life. We’ve had a decent preview this year folks.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I remember, soon after Putin’s got control of the Russian Federation, reading some Russian academics claiming the USA was going to break up into separate regional states.

At the time this claim seemed absurd and I guess I thought the USA had learnt its lesson from the Civil War and would never again risk a similar rupture.

Now I really do think, given the reckless judgement in this case , there is no hope for the USA. To say to one State that complains about unconstitutional practice by another State on the basis they have “no standing” seems to me so perverse that I just have to assume SCOTUS has abandoned its role of protecting the people of the USA through application of their Constitution.

From hereon in we are in totally new territory. And the going has got a lot worse!

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

My parents inculcated me with a deep suspicion of the USA, particularly from a cultural perspective. Perhaps it was a natural inherited resentment that we had to rely on them to bail us out in two World Wars (especially WW2), and an envy that our predominant 19th century world power was inexorably fading.

It took me multiple visits to the USA to shake this programming. Same deal with Germany. Meet the people and you realise they are much the same as us, with fascinating local idiosyncrasies to unpack.

Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

And yet Trump has been making changes to the personnel at the Department of Defense. Special ops have been removed from all the service branches and placed directly under civilian control at the Pentagon. The DoD announced today that the Pentagon will no longer be supplying resources to the CIA counter terrorism arm of the CIA (which is basically its death squad department). The Insurrection Act has been amended so as to allow the deployment of US forces at home in the event of foreign interference in a US election. All these moves have taken place since November 3rd, and none of these decisions look as if they are being made by a President who intends to leave office.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Yes, good things are happening but a bit late in the day.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

If only he didn’t push the vaccine so aggressively, I might believe he was a force for good. Operation Warp Speed is pure evil, and it all happened on his watch.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

This and Simon Dolan’s outcome on the judicious review are the nails in the coffin of democracy and the ‘normal’ to which we had grown accustomed. Many don’t see it and many don’t care. I think we are a minority.

Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago

Drakeford is saying that Wales will likely go into full lockdown after Christmas..

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Surely the Dan Andrews of the Northern Hemisphere. Particularly that he is in charge of a semi-autonomous region, not an independent nation state. To think Wales was an oasis of non-mask mandates for a couple of months during the summer.

One of the peripheral lessons of 2020 is how much more significant the devolution enacted during the Blair years actually was. Johnson is the Prime Minister of England in all but name. How bitterly I regret the apathy of those years, I simply did not pay enough attention.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

None of us did. That and the ‘terrorist’ laws that Peter Hitchens warned all along were not in our favour.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

No way, that’s quite surprising.
Does it actually make any difference? Everything is totally screwed anyway isn’t it?
Yer crazy bastards. I am not welsh but I feel I have every right to do what I want in Wales and in Scotland and in Ireland. It’s the UK, my country.
How dare these regional despots wield so much power. Bastards

Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Yes, I feel the same way about what happens elsewhere in the UK. It’s all my country, and it’s all being run by the worst sort of people.

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

They might as well leave the trees up at least. Can’t be more unlucky if they miss twelfth night.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

We do not live in a democracy when one man has the power to invalidate millions of people’s human rights

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

How will we tell?

Why don’t they rise up and dispatch Drakeford as appropriate? A week in Blaenau Ffestiniog should do it.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Turtle head needs to wind his neck in and get back to organising the placement of hymnals on the pews in his local chapel – it’s more complex than you might think!

Adam
Adam
5 years ago

i live in Havering and it’s not that bad here it’s Essex not London regardless of what the London centric press say Basildon is worse for rates than Havering

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Adam

London and its environs is such a strange place. I have gravitated to the South and West and rarely if ever go North or East. In fact I am struggling to recall a single occasion upon which I have ever set foot in Essex. Surrey/Sussex/Kent on the other hand are well-trodden paths.

The nearest I ever got to Essex was falling asleep drunk on the District Line Eastbound and sleeping rough in the Upminster Methodist Church car park.

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago

“ The UK has one of the smallest health and care workforces in the world, spending less than the G7 group of advanced economies,29 and has relatively few hospital and critical care beds compared with other European and North American countries.29,30 Coming into the pandemic, the UK had high levels of bed occupancy and very little spare capacity.29 However, during the rapid response to COVID-19 there was a substantial increase in capacity, and national reported occupancy for critical care never exceeded 60%, although this varied significantly at local levels”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/943174/S0919_Changes_in_hospital_mortality_in_the_first_wave_of_COVID-19.pdf

Note above “29” – that references this document

https://www.ippr.org/files/2020-07/resilient-health-and-care-july20.pdf

“The fact that the UK’s health and care system has struggled during the coronavirus pandemic can be traced back to decisions taken during austerity. Driven by a desire to cut the deficit after the 2008/09 financial crash, government challenged public services to deliver the same level of service, and the same outcomes but with steadily less resources. Their underlying logic was that quality could be protected, while waste would be cut. Covid-19 has shown the consequences of these cuts, and exposed their short-termism and inefficiency.

Now, the UK government should take the opportunity to create a system where resilience is… Read more »

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

The paper goes on “The cost of the Nightingale hospitals was subsequently equivalent to providing 963,115 days (and nights) of care in a hospital. If we had invested that same £235 million upfront we could have equated to an estimated 2,640 more beds open throughout 2019 – allowing the NHS to use the investment to improve performance in winter 2019 and to enter the Covid-19 crisis with more excess capacity……”

Anyone want to vote Tory next time ? Anyone thing BJ and his crew deserve a light sentence?

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Anyone want to vote Labour, Lib Dem, SNP or Plaid? They are all Lockdownists. Vote Populist at your first opportunity.

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yes, you are right. But I singled out the Torys for their Austerity programme and the 10 + years they ran it for. But they are all not to be trusted

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

The nightingales hospitals were purely a photo oppertunity. Every country and region in the world had their version of them. They were never intended to be used just to look scary to drive the pandemic narrative. The CCP introduced us to the idea and the world followed. Pure covid pantomime.

Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

My guess is they were set up for the people who have adverse reactions to the vaccine.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

There was never a ‘pandemic’. The definition of the word ‘pandemic’ was changed in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies by the World Health Organisation

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

The NHS has more money than it needs to be effective and more managers than it needs to effectively waste that money.

Overhaul desperately overdue.

But quite frankly in the current climate I couldn’t give a fig for the NHS; would prefer a refund and go private.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

The subject of the vaccine came up on a work call today. After enduring round the table repetition of propaganda mantras about what good news it was, I said: “I am never taking it.” Cue an immediate rush of comments, with people expressing much more honest apprehension about the whole thing.

Sometimes what we perceive as monolithic adherence to the state and MSM narratives is little more than an extremely fragile veneer, masquerading as acceptable and polite public discourse.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Yes, all it takes is for one honest, unafraid person to firmly state his opinion, and others who are waiting for a cue from others will state theirs.

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yeah. That’s cost me three well-paid jobs.

Still glad I spoke up though.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

It cost me a bit of promotion but I honestly wouldn’t have it any other way – I feel I have held on to my self respect. One of the marks of being a slave is having to hold your tongue. All I would say though is choose your moment, bide your time and catch them out in a lie.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I have toed the corporate line all my life, with a measure of success, but this year lines have been crossed that I have already outright rejected. I’m skating on very thin ice, but it cannot be any other way.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

You are so true there. I’ve found (instead of spouting my opinion….of how pent up I love to do that) I ask, ‘oh, why do you think that?’ then slowly go to work. Like another poster here has said, there is already much scepticism out there if you just give it space to express itself/grow.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Exactly, my comment was within the flow of the conversation and not forced at all. People cannot stand being endlessly browbeaten, even though I feel like doing this every single day with everyone I speak to. I even gave my elderly mother a break this evening, and I think she was grateful for it.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Oh I so get that. I’m all full of the best way until it comes to the other half….despite my best will in the world he brings out the worst in me with both barrels …..sometimes …..and sometimes I think I might just have got through 🤔

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

PS must admit my elderly mum (82) is the only other person on the same page as us in my circle.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

My mum is in the go along to get along brigade. I really wanted to hammer home the message about avoiding the vaccine tonight, but it was simply not appropriate for the way the conversation went. All being well I’ll have plenty more opportunities.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Try saying to her that you’re 100% in favour of having the vaccine for her and you once you know the 4/5 year side effects/outcomes. Ask her will she meet you half way and see where we are in 2/3 year’s time.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well done Richard – that took a bit of courage. I’ve been in similar situations at work where I’ve felt obliged to tell the truth. It’s not easy!

Biker
Biker
5 years ago

Barbra Windsor was famous for her tits
Like everything these days her tits aren’t as big as you might have thought
Same goes for Mars Bars, Marathons and Twix’s

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yeah, but at least they were real – like the epidemics in those days.

Danc
Danc
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Sorry,tried to thumb up

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Depends whether you’ve just being viewing them on your laptop as a grown man or whether you saw them in glorious technicolor from the front row of the cinema as a small boy. 🙂 Anyway isn’t that what they call acting pretending you have certain charcteristics… 🙂

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

And now they lead our government.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Marathons

👍🏻

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Barbara Windsor recalls for me an era when the pubs were full, when the terraces at football grounds were full of fans, when Covent Garden was still a market, when life was more social, more damned fun, even compared to 2019.

Can you imagine suggesting masks and anti-social distancing as a response to flu in the Britain of the 50s and 60s.

My God, what have we done to ourselves?

RIP Babs – I loved ‘Carry On’, even when it was awful

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

fings ain’t what they used to be

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I think this is one occasion when that is so, so true..

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yes every generation has its nostalgia, which is usually little more than melancholy for the passing of their individual prime. In this case the deterioration is so extreme that for once it is absolutely true. I am filled with nostalgia for 2019.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Your post made me so sad. Bury our head as much as possible (I’ve been watching The Sweeney Box set) but the sh!t is still waiting for us.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Now it would be “Carrie on with Lies, Boris”.

Someone, possibly on this this site, created a wonderful Carry On scenario a few weeks a go where Bernard Bresslaw in a blonde wig would play Boris and Babs would have played his paramour, Carrie!

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago

Most emergencies attract significant media interest and experts are likely to want to talk about their work, the SAGE secretariat should provide SAGE members with clear guidance on confidentiality. This should explain what can and cannot be said for security reasons and the requirement to take account of the FOI Act.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/80087/sage-guidance.pdf

Enjoy your FOI’s

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

From Wikipedia:

“In corrections units, the term lockdown can be defined as a course of action to control the movement of inmates. Confining all prisoners, except workers, to their cells until the end of the day is an example of a “lockdown period” in a corrections schedule.[citation needed] However a “full lockdown” is used when all prisoners are locked in their cells to prevent prison riots or unrest from spreading or during an emergency.[14]””

….and why?

https://theglobalobservatory.org/2019/12/a-year-of-protest/

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-story-of-2019-protests-in-every-corner-of-the-globe

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

“People in more countries are using people power than any time in recorded history. Nonviolent mass movements are the primary challenges to governments today. This represents a pronounced shift in the global landscape of dissent.”

I get the feeling 2020 will only be a temporary respite.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

“One of the most important lessons of the past nine months is that epidemiological models are predicated on assumptions and that statistical data can be manipulated to conform to a variety of desired outcomes.  They are therefore an alluring target for political exploitation.
It was therefore noteworthy when a November 22 study published by Johns Hopkins University was subsequently deleted by the university because an official stated that it “was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/the_science_and_politics_of_covid19.html

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I learnt about models long ago in A-Level statistics where I created a “model” based on some very fancy Excel formula and macros. It didn’t really model anything so I had to modify the input parameters and fiddle the “code” until it produced something that looked believable (just like Imperial). I knew it was utter bollocks, but the susceptible maths lecturer thought he had uncovered the next Turing. Now I am in a career where I know better and I can interview the bullshitters (like the maths lecturer) and tell them to sling it.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Are you still deluded enough to believe they give a tish for your evidence? Your evidence condemns you.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Sorry. That was impolite of me.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

No worries Andrea (robust lad here) – I know what you meant, and you are ….. right.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Please don’t let me be right. Bitter old hag here sharing chocolate and fruitellas with my Bertie dog (he agrees whatever so long as it results in sweeties). Must stay optimistic.

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Don’t give chocolate to the dog! You mightily as well vaccinate him against Covid.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Sorry for the confusion, the chocolate is for me only (it’s a hard choice but someone gotta do it). In fact the fruitellas are wasted on him too. Thank you the flag. A.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Impolite but rather to the point. You could get every Nobel Prize winner on the planet to declare that lockdowns, masks, test & tracing, and the Covid vaccine don’t work – and the Government would still produce dodgy graphs And say they were “following the science”.*

* Actually, on reflection, they’ve abandoned that particular soundbite haven’t they?Probably because it’s fallen into disrepute with their behavioural science focus groups I expect. ..but you get my drift.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I completely agree.

The ‘pandemic’ and the rsponse, have now been deconstructed from so many angles.

We know the ‘what’.

All that remains is the ‘who’ and the ‘why’ and the ‘how’ exactly we fight back.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yep. How do we fight back? Massive demos led by respectable figures (sorry Piers and David) prepared to go to prison (it’s all very well writing a column,
now is the time for action, Peter, Allison, Lionel, Charles, all of you) , vote in a populist government and join the Free Speech Union (be militant in defending free speech, the absolute foundation of the good society).

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yep. As I’ve said before don’t bother at this stage fighting the ‘why’ – two reasons, 1) you’ll get drawn into conspiracy theories and they’ll stop listening and 2) it’s for courts and history to record the ‘why’.

For now we must fight the WHAT. IE the attack on normal human behaviour and civil liberties. We must recruit the fence sitters and even those (for the best of reasons) that don’t want to break the law. We must make them see that laws forbidding normal human behaviour and attacking civil liberties are criminal. Fight them or regret it for a very long time.

Playing devil’s advocate my longstanding friend asked my objection to ‘track and trace’ and all the other measures that they are trying to introduce to digitise the population.

Years ago in my naivety I would have said I had none. But now, a government that decrees it against the rules to visit your own family, friends and neighbours is not to be trusted with your personal business or whereabouts.

George Mc
George Mc
5 years ago

I do wonder who they are talking to because, to quote Neil Young, “I know it ain’t me/And I hope it isn’t you”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54932843

“After the euphoria of a vaccine breakthrough…”

The art of comedy is not dead!

And without even filling in the rest of this drearily predictable passage, it’s based on – yes you know – a rise in cases. Read: a rise in the result of the PCR roulette wheel. Or maybe it doesn’t even mean that. Maybe they’re just straight out lying now.

 “…there are many more difficult days to come…. The vaccine is no magic wand” 

Well not as magical as your astonishing powers of prophecy.

“… rolling out the vaccine … final regulatory hurdles. But that doesn’t mean the epidemic will be brought to a sudden halt.”

Yeah we know. We also know this:

“Lockdown may be followed by… lockdown”

Two things to love about that: the “may” and the drum rolling dots. What did you expect after those dots? An admission it was all just a laugh?

“…cases are likely to take off again…”

I think I’m starting to see a pattern here.

“Even if we had had the lockdown earlier, as some… Read more »

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

It’s the perfect psychological trap. Whatever measures are introduced, they either work and therefore need to be extended/repeated or did not work because of lack of compliance and therefore need to be extended/repeated/tightened. Virtually impossible to definitively disprove, even using the best empirical data. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I agree Richard, and there are lots of these psychological traps.

I’ve described what I call the “Vaccine Fly Trap” where people (like Julia Hartley-Brewer) do a little dance of celebration about the vaccine (taking the publicity about it at face value) and then get sucked into the government’s logic on lockdowns and vaccines. There are other traps: “don’t you care about the NHS?”, “don’t you want to save lives?”, or “what if your hug killed your granny?” etc

The answer to all these questions is: “I’m not interested in those loaded questions, I’m interested in my liberty as a free human being and in the future of my children and my grandchildren. I want them to have a good life, not what you are offering. ”

I’ve been quite impressed by the way Laurence Fox and his Reclaim Party – while rather late to the battle – have got this right. I’m not convinced Farage’s Reform Party have – they still seem to be playing by the government’s rules in addressing the issues.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Quite right, I have had a measure of success in silencing (albeit not converting) naysayers recently by simply stating that this is an unacceptable way to live in a supposedly free society, virus or no virus.

Fox has impressed me this year. Much as I can no longer trust the political system as a solution, there needs to be a coalition of all the anti-lockdown factions for whatever local elections we are granted in May 2021, and a coordinated national campaign. Give the main parties a bloody nose.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Electoral defeat will have an effect. Can’t agree more on the need for a coalition of anti-lockdown parties eg Reform, Reclaim, UKIP and SDP. Seeing them work together against this deprivation of our freedoms and our culture would be a marvellous boost to the spirit of the people. Fortunately in the UK our electoral system is relatively fraud-free I think, so elections are still an effective means of communicating the views of people. For how much longer? Who knows? The Electoral Commission – all globalists – are working to weaken that connection between people and Parliament.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Could be wrong, but I reckon this piece has been written because there ISN’T any euphoria over the vaccine.

I know Brexit is the main story again at the moment, but has anyone else noticed how quiet it’s gone since Tuesday’s ‘euphoria’?

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

The emergency reintroduction by the MHRA of the requirement for a 15 minute observation period after administering the (first) shot has wiped out many potential distribution points.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Good point – with social distancing, that will create serious problems.

George Mc
George Mc
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Yes I doubt if anyone in the public feels any euphoria. But I reckon the vast majority of the public don’t swallow any of the virus rubbish too. The trouble is that none of them are ever going to be allowed on TV to express their opinion.

And so we have a situation where no-one believes it but everyone believes that everyone else believes it. And that’s a situation which is much easier to achieve now with the enforced separation.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

We can’t influence the message (SAGE/Government/MSM) but we can do our very best to educate those around us.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago

Hi everyone, I have not commented on this site much recently because things have been truly desperate with my severely disabled child. Having fought for a year to get her into a residential school and then finally won the case a couple of weeks ago, I got a start date for her, packed her bag and then I got the shocking news that the result is going to be appealed, which is apparently so rare that no one told me that such a thing was even a possibility.

In the meantime she has nothing at all except me and I am distraught and devastated. My daughter has only had a few days of school since March and we are utterly isolated, desperately lonely, exhausted and in complete despair. I am crushed into submission after this pyrrhic victory. I have suffered extreme anxiety over this for more than a year and poured stress, time and money into something which I now realise I could never have hoped to win.

Even though I know a residential schoo for her is the only solution for us. Having glimpsed a fleeting possibility of hope and having been relieved of fear and despair… Read more »

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

I’ve got a caravan on the English south coast. If I can work out some way for you to use it for respite I will. Please keep going, please.

Liam.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

That is a very kind offer, thank you! I will keep going and I appreciate you saying it, because I could never abandon my daughter, but it is killing me…

you know, I could never really access much of society before lockdown, although cafes, swimming pools, libraries etc were great, but just knowing it was all there, that it was all going on, that friends could enjoy it, that one day…

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

It’s hard, and desperate, I understand a little of it. The offer will remain, and in the meantime I can only send you and your daughter love, in the purest sense.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I really appreciate your warmth and kindness thank you so much! I would love to take up your offer of the caravan one day too! 🙂 Love and kindness make so much difference, we all need it right now. Sending warmth and love to you as well.

Maverick
Maverick
5 years ago

Hi Jane, I too have a severely disabled child and we won our educational tribunal too in order to get him a place at a specialist residential school. It was 100% the right decision, for him and I’m sure it is for your child too. The wait to see whether the council would appeal was horrendous and I can only imagine the heartache in your case at hearing that they would appeal. However, it doesn’t mean they will win it though! Are you working with a specialist education lawyer? If not I can recommend a very good one.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Maverick

Dear Maverick, thank you for this. I do have a lawyer and she did win my case for me, but did not tell me that an appeal was even possible. I think there will now be very lengthy delays and she has already been home with me for so long, I dont know how I can get through several more months of nothing and she is getting older and older. She has already only been allowed a few days/week at school for the last 4 years, so we have been on our own for years. I struggle so hard to meet all her needs, but I cannot meet all her social needs all on my own and am so exhausted there is little left for her educational needs. We have been more or less abandoned by the education system for years. She has very complex needs. They took back thousands of pounds of Direct Payments because people couldnt cope with care for her after she got into her teens.

I do feel completely trapped because I struggle to carry on caring for her, but if I were to abandon her, she would have no one at all and would… Read more »

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Maverick

Hi Maverick, Please do let me know the lawyer’s details, I could do with any advice at all at the moment!

Maverick
Maverick
5 years ago

I can recommend Samantha Hale at Simpson Millar. Please keep your head up Jane. Parents do win most of the tribunal cases – in the end! However, lots of parents are not able to stick at until then. It’s disgusting how the local authority can spend tens of thousands of tax payers funds on Barristers to fight parents, even though it’s obvious a specialist school is the only solution. It’s all about the money not what the child needs and it’s a scandal that most people are unaware of. My wife and I have been through most of what you are experiencing now and it nearly killed us too but you’re nearly there. Dig deep and keep at it. Don’t let the bastards win! Good luck Jane.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Maverick

Yes, I completely agree with you, if I were looking at my case from the outside, I would think it was an absolute scandal! Its a completely unequal battle.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Maverick

I will try and get in touch with her asap. I knew it would be worth coming on here. People here do seem to be amazingly well informed! Thanks so much 🙂

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

I feel so frustrated and angry for you reading your comment.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the test info you want.

Maybe you can work something out with Liam and his caravan.

I hope you keep commenting.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

ah well, never mind! Its much appreciated that you replied to me, thank you! I really appreviate Liam’s offer, but this is the problem with the internet, no one can actually find anyone in reality!

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

Jane the offer is genuine. I won’t put my personal details on here right now but can do something via the creaky forums on here or you can just log on and ask for people to give me a shout, I’m on here a lot!

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Thank you! Ok, maybe we could try and communicate privately on the forums, if that would work? Not quite sure how that works though? Again, much appreciated!

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

Keep an eye out here or on the forums, I am going to bed now but I will be around! Look out for me.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Yes, will do! Sleep well 🙂 Thanks for cheering me up!

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

I’ve just had a look at the forum page and worked out how to start a new topic. Keep an eye out, God Bless.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

Best Wishes Jane.

janeinthemindfield
janeinthemindfield
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

And to you too Calchas 🙂

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago

It’s hard to hear your story. It sound like you are in a horrible situation. I find it amazing that things have got so bad. It’s not just covid, things were pretty terrible pre-covid. Covid has amplified the shitness to a huge extent and highlighted how the systems that were in place were barely adequate.

Also the way that the authorities seem to be adversarial right from the onset of any dialogue with them. We are the enemy to them, they are the victims under threat from the very people the authorities say they are trying to help and protect.

There is no recourse apart from fighting things out in a court. I have had direct experience of our local council in a small claims court. The way they delt with us (me and Mrs 2-6) was shameful, even the judge in the small claims court couldn’t believe the thing they pulled on us to shut down our claim. They got a telling off. However to see it happening was an eye opener for me, of just how dishonest and corrupt the council was. That was years ago. It’s got a huge amount worse I think.

All that to one… Read more »

Ovis
5 years ago

Much earlier today, Annie drew a parallel with the Crimean War. She rightly pointed out the cynical dishonesty used to browbeat public opinion into acceptance of a war that was certainly not waged for the stated purpose. But I think there is another element to the parallel that matches the present situation.

There was a prehistory to the Crimean War. Back in the 1790s, in the brief moment of peace between Britain and France, the Foreign Office had tried hard to engineer war with Russia in the Black Sea region. They were humiliated. Having given assurances to Prussia, the British government realised that public opinion would not accept war against Russia. The FO looked a fool to the Prussians and the world, having so clearly misjudged their own domestic situation. Pitt the Younger had to console a tearful Foreign Secretary.

But it got worse: the immediate and unavoidable renewal of hostilities with France proved that if the FO had got what it wanted, the result would have been disastrous. Britain had been saved by the cussed proles, saved from the foolishness of the Foreign Office, and it was obvious in plain view. This was a terrible double humiliation… Read more »

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I’m not certain that those responsible for this, the boldest confidence trick of all time, are capable of feeling humiliation above their fanatical desire to bend humanity to their will. Certainly whatever motivated them then just as surely still motivates them now: power and wealth through population control is the long game. I agree that the odds look even just now; our job is to make sure that they are exposed.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

James Corbett

https://www.corbettreport.com/blackpill/

Video – 48 minutes – on Eugenics, Malthusianism and their connection to the ‘Great Rest’.

Recommended

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

So is this about

The C19 vaccine?

Being digitised and traceable?

Future vaccines?

Eugenics?

Confused and idiotic western governments?

Logan’s Run….ish?

Covid-19?

None of the above?

Noumenon
Noumenon
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

All and none, unfortunately…

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Explains why many don’t know if. what or who to fight.

Noumenon
Noumenon
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

This is a particular problem and not one that is peculiar to the current crisis.

The solution is as much within individuals as fighting “enemies”. A reduction in general credulity and faith in governments, corporations and institutions would be a good start. This can only be achieved through constant exposure of transgressions. Scepticism is an habitual way of being, not a casual choice.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Sum it up with the word: ‘control’.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

“Us” is a major one. We are all ultimately responsible.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

It seems to be a combination of things – a perfect storm

Are we witnessing a catastrophic financial crash? Discussed here with Ernst Wolff:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

And Big Pharma/Tech opportunism. Gates and the WEF seem to be big players in this. I worry that the destruction of businesses is planned and part of the Great Reset (WEF). I’ve been shocked by politicians’ willingness to destroy economies and our human rights

Reiner Fuellmich’s ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ video is essential viewing

George Mc
George Mc
5 years ago

I thought I’d lost it but it’s still there:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

You have to dig more than half way but here it is:

“It won’t be compulsory though – no other vaccines in the UK are – as experts say this wouldn’t help create confidence in the vaccine.”

Creating “confidence” is what it’s all about. (The expression “confidence trick” comes to mind. This is not a facetious remark. “Creating confidence” seems a highly ambiguous expression.)

But it’s a crucial statement. They don’t want to force you – and that’s a genuine want. Not because they are nice people. But because a public that lacks confidence in the govt is not a happy public. And an unhappy public is not a compliant public.

This is, as it were, the moment of truth. They have been giving us the most ferocious sales pitch of all time over the last 9 months. And – this is a very important point – they have allowed no dissenting views whatsoever to puncture that seamless MSM picture of covid. Indeed – as far as I am aware – even the covid cheering Left have not got an airing. That’s how closely guarded the whole campaign is. (Perhaps this… Read more »

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Employers are critical to this process. If the larger corporations start to mandate it for their employees, then it will be a slippery slope to de facto coercion with little or no direct state intervention. No jab, no job.

I am unconcerned by name calling or social shaming. It’s uncomfortable, but we have to accept it as part of the scenery in this emerging cultural deathscape.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

The wheels are already coming off it- for all of yesterday’s bollocks about wider rollouts the exemptions have only grown. And the more they try to push it, the dodgier it looks.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yes, I do get the feeling that they are trying just a little too hard.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I think so too. As I said in George’s post above re. the BBC article; I don’t think there’s the appetite for this vaccine that the public polls, and their propaganda, say there is.

It’s gone very quiet since the allergy story broke.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Land sake!!! What about the latest from Sweden? deaths in all age groups under 80 at or below average levels for past 5 years, deaths for over 80’s up only one per cent (after recent mild flu seasons). If there was any sense, surely this on its own might blow all this nonsense out of the water! What is going on with the world?

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

I (sadly) think the ‘I’ll just knuckle down’ are in the majority. Based on those I most encounter despite my best endeavours.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

If I’m responsible for other people’s health, then do I need to take cigarettes out of people’s mouths? Do I need to warn people not to travel in cars or to drink a glass of wine or to eat a burger and fries? Am I supposed to chastise the overweight or the inactive?

I am not responsible for other people’s health, and if the vaccine works to protect the recipient, then it should be enough for the recipient alone

guy153
guy153
5 years ago

There’s another rather large and obvious problem with Yeadon’s claim that we need to use Sanger sequencing to confirm vaccine efficacy rather than PCR.

If the PCR test was mostly random then you’d see about the same number of positives in both arms. In other words, even if the vaccine worked, it would look like it didn’t.

If you vaccinate people and get 172 events in the placebo arm and 8 in the other arm then it is extremely unlikely that your vaccine did not achieve something that your test is also
measuring. The results prove that both the vaccine and the test works.

I did wonder if the Oxford vaccine was measuring PCR positive including asymptomatic rather than only with symptoms. If so this might explain lower efficacy as there would be more false positives in both arms diluting the result. But actually according to what they published in the Lancet they were also counting symptomatic infections confirmed with PCR. So I think it’s right to conclude their vaccine has about 60% efficacy compared to about 90% for the mRNA ones.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Zero interest in vaccine efficacy of a 99.08% deadly virus.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

99.08% recovery v 0.02%

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

The results prove that both the vaccine and the test work? A soupcon circular, don’t you think?

Zak Thelotofem
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Watch this from 48m onwards for some interesting thoughts on efficacy

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-11th-december-2020

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

The efficacy claims are based on symptomatic samples so small I don’t trust any of them.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Why do we need a vaccine for a coronavirus? Why?

Whose side is Yeadon on?

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Hug a human this Christmas – you know it makes sense!

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Oh we all will. Preaching to the converted.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I just feel for the people who will be denied the opportunity – those isolated from their nearest and dearest in care homes, where Christmas decorations are not allowed (for their own good obviously), those with close family who have been scared witless by the fear campaign… when will this madness end? Our lockdown sceptic prayer group (or educational support group for the benefit of covid spies) really has been a Godsend, but too many people have been denied any sort of normality for too long, too many people dying in the third world (and GB) because of it. Oh well, perhaps those responsible will be held to account one day. Sometimes these oppressors do turn out to be paper tigers, you know.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Sorry Hugh, in no way did I mean to belittle your message.

So many of us on here feel it’s no business of the government who we hug – in fact I think it’s criminal that they’ve even got an opinion on it – that I guess I forgot that many need us to fight for their rights.

annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Hug people.
Sing carols.
Enjoy roast potstoes.
Have fun.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

For ‘roast potstoes’ 🤣
I read ‘roast SAGE members’
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

What about “roast SAGE members’ members” 😉

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Please, some of us are trying to eat (or drink)! 🙂

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

They can get sage and onion stuffed.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Not a big hugger myself but I don’t think you can ever really ban hugs. I think people getting a taste of humanity again is the true disaster they’re all so worried about.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
5 years ago

There is NO AMOUNT OF DATA that will FORCE the Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires to STOP doing what they want…

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Oh yes there is. NEVER give up on the weight of the TRUTH.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

So shock horror London to enter T3. Welcome to our world, under the cosh since the end of July.

Sorry my heart not bleeding.

Equally, I’m not falling for the North/South divide as orchestrated by this pathetic administration. Once we’re all in the same boat hopefully it’ll weigh enough to effect change?

The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Pleased that a tiny cabal of nerdy ‘experts’, completely insulated from the consequences of this sanctimonious drivel, have once again got their way! Ain’t it just swell.

I love a good ol’ locky! I mean, come on, don’t you!? Can’t wait to put my sexy face mask on. It’s got a dead sexy polka dot pattern, don’t you know!? I only hope Khan mandates wearing them as soon as you step outside soon so I can wear mine even more and even more people will know what a kind, caring person I am. I cannot wait to save even more lives. God bless Neil Ferguson, Chris Whitty, and Patty Vallance for all of their love and care for their fellow humans thus far through this terrible pandemic! I think we should all personally congratulate them for their heroic efforts in keeping us all so SAFE!

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

The more the anger, the more the rebellion.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

They should all be knighted shouldn’t they? 🙂

Reminds me of those sporting events where they saved lives by stopping a few dozen away supporters from attending. In the open air. Even though most of the civilised world has abandoned segregation.

The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Beef Patty Vallance has already been knighted, alas. No doubt for services rendered. The other two will, therefore, be soon to follow.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

??? You covering your backside for GCH Q?

The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

I am indeed. Despite my display name, I also have shares in face nappy manufacturers 😉

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

The main differences with Tier 2 are hospitality closed and sports behind closed doors.

The pub trade down here was on its knees long before this year, but this will absolutely finish it off once and for all. If there is full compliance of course.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

And is this deliberate, as some think? Are they trying to destroy pubs?

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Yes. All means of ‘pub’lic congregation.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

But for the sterling efforts of CAMRA I think the pub would have disappeared from the British cultural landscape long ago, except perhaps a few anaemic outposts for the benefit of tourists. Genuine wet pubs were virtually non-existent in London long before Covid.

The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Star and Garter in Soho stood out as an exception to this in central London.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

The City had a handful of gems off the beaten track (e.g. in the back streets around Barts Hospital), but they were all struggling.

Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I sometimes look at CAMRA groups on Facebook and sadly, most of them seem to be a bunch of bedwetters terrified of catching the covids from their halves of mild. They don’t deserve to have pubs to drink in, quite frankly.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Prior to L2 and from the end of July we could go to pubs and restaurants but only within our bubble (ie the same f’ing people we’ve been locked up with since the end of March. We’ve had no release since then and the sociological, mental and emotional effect is immeasurable. Not that Boris et al give a sh/t.

annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

It’s time the bloody publicans rebelled.Otherwise it’s just assisted suicide.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Take away the masks, the signage, the social distancing and the testing, the media scaremongering, the fraudulent statistics and the ‘Plandemic’ disappears. We have normal colds and flu as every year. I wonder how many politicians know this?

I still don’t know anyone who’s had it

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Every day I say ‘ignore the criminal dictates from government and get on with normal life’. In the South they’ve been able to do that but here in the North it’s not been possible. Not their fault, not our fault. But hopefully the London echo chamber will sing to a different tune now ? Or god help us.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

The “we’re alright Jack” types might be annoyed their backyard is in the crosshairs.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Mirror Online: Andy Burnham furious as it emerges SAGE called for help for north – four months ago.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/andy-burnham-furious-emerges-sage-23154047

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Why are scientific advisers suggesting economic measures for anyone. On one hand they say the economic realities are not their problem and on the other hand they are essentially demanding money be paid out.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Why are we trying to negotiate with idiotic despots?

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

My thoughts too when I read it. I’m sure they’ve said they don’t get involved in the economics before. Having their cake and eating it springs to mind.

wayno
wayno
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

We don’t need sages help we need leaving the fuck alone, Burnham boils my piss along with all the bedwetting mps and councils up here.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I don’t trust Andy Burnham

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Who does? Sanctimonious creep. However any port in a storm to get us out of this 🤔 ‘predicament’.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago

Good to see Boris getting humiliated, sidelined and snubbed in Brussels. Might start to look after some of his own people a bit better. What an idiot. I used to care about Brexit – don’t anymore.

nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Yes and no. Coward that he is Bunter is UK Prime minister and the position deserves respect. The way these EU scummers have treated our representatives these last few years is beyond disgusting. Von der Vonder’s virtue signaling yesterday should have led to our leader walking away. Maggie was right never trust a German and they decide in the EU, end of.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Those snidey Tusk tweets used to piss me off no end. Personally I would just refused to negotiate and told them we would close the Channel with Russian help if necessary if the EU tried any funny business. You have to insist on respect from the outset in any situation.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Wow, never trust a German above, and here we have trusting the Russians as a good idea.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

The Russians are natural allies as we have no reason to quarrel with them.We have no border or territorial claims with each other and very little trade.
We both fear a German dominated EU.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

But FFS he wears a mask and self isolates even though he is immune and he did not walk away from them did he? He chose to stay. Lets see how that goes. Maggie was right and so are you.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

And? Doesn’t mean he represents the brave that voted to self govern.

nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

The guy is a cowardly fool, can’t abide the sight of him or the idiots he over-promoted. When they show contempt for Bunter though they do it to us all. It is German led hiding behind the EU collective, they did the same to Cameron and May. Bullies that need standing up to, they didn’t get far with Putin.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Von der Lyin’?

Even Sir Nigel Farage (people who have done far less than him have been knighted for being jolly good boys) was disgusted at the way Theresa May was treated by the Brussels (and Strasbourg and Luxembourg) regime.

Let’s remember that the EU is great for big pharma – the people who are quite keen to take advantage of this cv scare, try and get vaccines forced on us, downplay vitamin D etc.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The EU is on the verge of collapse anyway. It’s just a matter of time

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

“the EU is great for big pharma”

Hmm the British government hasn’t been bad either, in conjunction with all the grotesque cronyism as well of course.

It may be corruption, but at least it’s British corruption! Hooray to that!

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

trouble is, it’s fiendishly difficult to change EU laws, and fiendishly difficult to comply with them. Big business, including big pharma, has an advantage on both counts. And if the EU is as corrupt – and undemocratic – as I’ve heard, I’m afraid I haven’t got much good to say about it.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

“Maggie was right never trust a German”

Ah, we’ve got the cranks in tonight…

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

I know what you mean but I think we have to be careful. It is the PC globalists who have weaponised Covid and are using it to advance their politics. They are doing this actively in the USA right at the moment to deflect from the most obvious electoral fraud ever, to prevent public assembly and to cow the opposition. It is being used in similar fashion to make us think “What was the point of achieving Brexit?” I am sure there us a long term plan to demoralise the population so that eventually we accept something like EEA rules, after which there will be a campaign for us to rejoin. Globalists think very long term. They may be thinking this could take 20 years but it’s vitally important to them that we not succeed as an independent nation, especially not as one with a populist government.

nottingham69
nottingham69
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Agree leaving the very restrictive EU Customs Union will still be very important to us. CCP Virus restrictions won’t last beyond April/May next year one way or another and I doubt Johnson and the rest of his lousy cabinet have much time left either.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

“restrictive EU Customs Union”

I trust you don’t deal with many businesses on a day to day basis? Go ask them what they think about coming out of the customs union.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Is that the electoral fraud the BBC keeps saying there is no evidence for? What is that about?

The CCP are thinking long term too, working towards 2049 world domination from what I’ve heard. (I don’t think they’ll succeed thouh, but they’ll have a jolly good go and cause huge damage on the way).

Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The fact that the BBC keeps saying there is no evidence for electoral fraud makes me think there probably is! I’ve been following it a little on alternative news media and although there doesn’t seem to be any explicitly damning evidence, there does seem to be a combination of dodgy dealings which may be sufficient to sway the Electoral College vote. Personally I don’t think it will come to anything but it’s interesting to watch.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

You are very right. And right to focus on the long term however difficult.

James007
James007
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Completely agree. I don’t care about it either. What is the point of this country becoming more sovereign, more independent? We are been abused and destroyed by the worst parliament, possibly ever. Our Government is lead by a man hopelessly out of his depth, and the Conservative Party has failed us so shockingly, it does not deserve to survive.
Brexit seems almost pointless.
(Sorry a bit depressed tonight!)

annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  James007

Definitely the worst parliament ever, the worst government ever, and the feeblest, most cowardly, cretinous population ever.
But there’s always us.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Well said.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’m not so sure given some of the fanatical Brexit comments on show tonight

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Not giving a sh@t about Brexit right now isn’t the same as hoping they p@as on us.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

Hi Andrea – what do you mean sorry? hoping they what on us?

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Mean = Poop 💩
Eg Brexit seems so insignificant compared with the fight for our civil liberties right now. But that doesn’t mean we should let Brussels’ pip squeaks walk all over us….just in case there is a ‘there’ worth fighting for 🤷🏻‍♀️ on the other side of this ‘poop’show.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

So Father Christmas has Covid does he?

Well, apart from the fact that “our” nhs has used the more British Father Christmas (apparently), I note the following:

Whether or not we count Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas) and Father Christmas as the same, he is clearly not of this world, and therefore not subject to the diseases of this world. Whether we consider him a saint or some sort of angel etc. for those of us who believe in such things, there has to my knowledge never been any apparition of a saint or angel taken seriously by Christians to my knowledge where they are suffering from Earthly diseases;

They choose this time when many people, and not least children, have been traumatised by lockdown to run an ad purporting to show Father Christmas as ill and suffering, likely causing further distress;

Father Christmas, associated with charity, being appropriated by a health service which has an unhealthy dependence on a pharmaceutical industry driven by profit, responsible for many deaths through their promotion of patented profitable drugs rather than good nutrition (vitamin and mineral supplements, healthy diet) and healthy lifestyle (exercise and avoiding stress etc.) -many many times, what is profitable has… Read more »

Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s absolutely shameful, absolutely disgraceful and the worse kind of emotional blackmail. The establishment and the NHS are desperate now so the narrative must be breaking down if they have to resort to this. I do hope people really do not fall for this. I think they have done this because people are now saturated with it all and don’t give a damn now about these idiotic rules. I have noticed a change within the past 10 days. Nobody jumps aside now, nobody that I have seen out and about are social distancing they are all in groups, chatting laughing, holding hands etc. It’s not at the forefront of people’s minds now, the people’s narrative has changed – most people in the petrol station in which I work have had a guts full that includes customers and staff and are clearly stating they are going to enjoy themselves with friends, family and others over the festive season.

I haven’t come across one yet who wholeheartedly buys into the establisment narrative and resentment against the NHS is actively growing.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

I really hope the narrative is breaking down, I’m not sure I can stand another year of this. Mandatory face coverings until 2022? Strewth!

annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The true Christmas, the birth of Christ, is no more affected by the current evil bollox than it is by the usual crass commercialism.
It isn’t even affected by the hideous betrayal of the faithful by the Coward Covidian Church.
Christ us born in the hearts if those who welcome him. Nothing can ever change that, for all eternity.
Sing a carol.
Sing it loudly.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

They can’t ban Christmas of course, and I’m looking forward to a good carol singalong this Christmas with or (possibly) without the consent of the lockdown zealots.

Still, I’m afraid they will take the joy and wonder out of it for many people (and not least by spurious nhs ads) and that is a great pity.

Still, we do what we can…

Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

In the beginning was the word, and the word will not be silenced, even though tyrants try to gag it with facemasks.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago

Selective Policing: Met Police Chief Confronted by Peter Whittle AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NogZeGy3F18

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago

So it wasn’t too mask psy-topia then?

OKUK
5 years ago

He may have invented the first PCR test back in 1983 but the late Kary Mullis had some interesting things to say about Fauci. Basically said he dosent understand viruses, is a dim-witted administrator and will look straight into the camera and lie to the American people. Sounds about right.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Tony “The Liar” Fauci is a Mafia immunologist.

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Really? You may not agree with him, but you have produced no evidence to make such a slur on his name. It looks to me like a calumny.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Lol – another new word! Thanks.

cal•um•ny kăl′əm-nē

  • n.A false statement maliciously made to injure another’s reputation
  • n.The utterance of maliciously false statements; slander.
  • n.False accusation of crime, misconduct, or defect, knowingly or maliciously made or reported, to the injury of another; untruth maliciously spoken, to the detraction of another; a defamatory report; slander.
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Well Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis did say he didn’t understand the science and was a liar. I think it’s on the Tracy Beanz twitter account. Not proof but suggestive.

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Not proof, no. The thing is, while Fauci does seem unimpressive, on what grounds can he be accused of being a “liar”, let alone a “Mafia immunologist”?

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Yes, I was being deliberately provocative.

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

But on what grounds do you say that he is Fauci “The Liar”, and a “Mafia immunologist”?

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Fauci has made various statements and then subsequently directly contradicted them. He has, for instance, made demonstrably false statements about the wearing of masks: a false statement and a lie are the same thing, Fauci is a liar. Fauci has known connections with the B&M Gates Foundation going back many years. He was responsible for the gain of function research at North Carolina State until the US moratorium on such work. He then secured funding for the continuation of this work at the Wuhan Level 3 Containment lab. Is that enough?

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Fauci’s an odious little cunt.

Plenty of evidence of that.

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Sophisticated comment, thank you for that.

Sarigan
Sarigan
5 years ago

The reasons I get up every day:

1) For my family and animals
2) To try and salvage something out of my travel business and to make sure my clients are looked after
3) To visit here and be lifted that humanity still remains
4) Because today could be the ‘silver bullet’ day that it all crashes down

I will never give up on my family or hope.

“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are”.
Saint Augustine

Paul
Paul
5 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Well said,I like the quotation,I’ve just sent it to a sceptical comrade in arms.

annie
annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I get up every day and rejoice that I am still here to defy the evil around us.

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  annie

Agree with all these sentiments. I get up every day to see the bastards’ fraudulent edifice come tumbling down, as it will, as did the Berlin Wall.

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