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Protest Chaos in London

Police clashed with protesters in Central London yesterday, leading to chaotic scenes and over 150 arrests. More from the MailOnline:

Central London descended into anarchy as riot police arrested 155 angry anti-lockdown demonstrators as thousands took to the streets and booed officers while chanting “shame on you”.

Dozens of violent anti-lockdown activists clashed with police while thousands more gathered in the capital amid growing discontent with the Government’s new tier system to be introduced on December 2nd. 

Officers detained protesters led by Piers Corbyn who chanted “freedom” and carried placards reading “stop controlling us” and “no more lockdowns” at Marble Arch for flouting coronavirus restrictions. 

Tweets posted by Jeremy Corbyn’s brother indicate that grassroots group Save Our Rights UK marched from King’s Cross station through Angel to Hyde Park and along a road parallel to Oxford Street. 

Traffic was temporarily blocked on Regent Street as officers attempted to handcuff people on the ground in the middle of the road, while police apprehended demonstrators weaving through the capital.  

Videos show police cracking down on protesters, including a lone man who howled in apparent agony and burst into tears as he fell to the ground during an arrest outside King’s Cross St Pancras. 

The Metropolitan Police said officers had made more than 60 arrests by 3pm. 

Those arrests were for offences including breaching coronavirus regulations, assaulting a police officer and possession of drugs.

Officers made a number of early interventions to prevent people from gathering and to urge people to go home. Coaches transporting protestors into the capital were intercepted and those who did not turn back and go home were either arrested or issued with fixed penalty notices. Chief Superintendent Stuart Bell, policing commander for this event, said: “This was a challenging day for Met, City of London and British Transport Police officers and I would like to thank them for the professionalism they have shown throughout the day.

“On Friday, we made it very clear how we would police this event, warning those looking to attend that they risked facing enforcement action if they attended a gathering in London. Today’s enforcement action is a direct result of those individuals deliberately breaking the law and at times, targeting our officers with aggression and causing disruption to the road network.”

The report is worth reading in full and, for a video account, try this by Charles Lampwick.

One of those arrested was, of course, Piers Corbyn. According to his Twitter account he was arrested at around 5pm, after giving a speech at Piccadilly Circus.

Also arrested was a Lockdown Sceptics reader. He sent us this report:

The plan was to meet at King’s Cross station at 12 noon. However, due to the huge police presence the location changed twice. Eventually people met at Speaker’s Corner at around 1 pm.

There were police vans everywhere; especially the Territorial Support Group (TSG). I have never seen so many police in London in my entire life. It was insane!

The march had a fantastic atmosphere. I’d say there were around 5,000 people on the main march. The problem was that the police were trying their best to break everyone up. It became a ridiculous game of cat and mouse. As soon as the march changed direction, another group of helmeted TSG goons would turn up and block off the road. We managed to make it down Oxford Street, Regent Street and several smaller back streets.

After about an hour of marching, I was standing at the back of the protest, casually chatting away to a new friend I’d made. Suddenly, out of nowhere a police officer grabbed my arm.

“What is your reason for being here?” he asked me.

“Just going for a walk. It’s my daily exercise.” I replied.

“Are you protesting? We have reason to believe you are protesting?” he said.

Next thing I know, he put my arms behind my back and cuffed me. The cuffs were so tight I asked him to loosen them as they were cutting off the blood supply to my fingers, on one of my hands. I was then searched on the spot and taken in a police van to a courtyard area, about five minutes’ drive away. This was a makeshift “prisoner” processing centre just off King Charles Street. There was a huge queue of us, all waiting to be processed. Apparently, they had run out of room in all the custody suites.

After an hour of waiting, I was taken to a tent where I was searched again, more thoroughly. I was then taken to a more senior police officer who asked me to confirm my name, date of birth and address, on camera. I was told I would be released and sent a £100 fine in the post. If I pay this within 28 days, I am told it will be reduced, or alternatively I can challenge it in court.

Overall, I found the police presence completely over the top. They seemed to be randomly picking off any individuals who had become separated from the main march; much like hungry lions preying on injured gazelles – easy, unwitting targets. Their approach was heavy-handed, unreasonable and not in keeping with common-sense, proportionate policing.

I no longer have any respect for the British police. They have made themselves enemies of the very people they are meant to be protecting. We officially live in a totalitarian, police state. People innocently exercising their democratic right to protest are being treated with contempt and violence.

Another reader sent us this:

I was listening to 5 Live where they said “hundreds” attended with 160 arrested. The Mail had thousands which was more accurate. I went to Kings Cross station to discover that the protest had been re-routed to Marble Arch. I met a few other “freedom fighters” on the tube. It was a pleasant experience sitting in a carriage with other unmuzzled passengers, a sadly rare occurrence.

After the obligatory arrest of Piers Corbyn, the crowd moved along Oxford Street, then to Piccadilly and back into Hyde Park. The police/TSG were constantly in close attendance. A “second wave” eventually returned along Oxford Street. I left at Oxford Circus shortly after the sad sight of the arrest of Louise from Save Our Rights. They seemed to be targeting organisers.

The TSG were out in force, as expected. I was fearful of arrest but I was lifted by the communal spirit and the fact that they could not apprehend us all. Just outside Hyde Park, where the police were trying to split up the protestors, some people moved some roadwork barriers into the road to block traffic which effectively prevented the TSG vans from getting to the scene. Some kids on bikes joined in somewhat enthusiastically, but there was also a lot of anger about the whole ridiculous situation, the biased policing, and this tyranny of a supposedly libertarian government.

It is one thing spending hours reading Lockdown Sceptics, etc. and watching some excellent videos on YouTube, but there is nothing quite like getting out there with like-minded people. It was just a shame that with the shops closed, not that many were there to witness it. Several bus/car drivers, however, despite being held up, offered their support to loud cheers of applause.

And from a third:

Saturday morning 11am: Get forwarded a video of a long line of police vans at Kings Cross including several of the Territorial Support Group, with the ironic voiceover asking: “What is going on to cause this amount of police response?!” Messages about last-minute changes in location come through social media and the protest moves to Marble Arch.

Saturday afternoon 1.15 pm. Arrive at Marble Arch to see a crowd of several thousand people walking, in good spirits, down Oxford Street and decide to walk with them. Passengers on buses that cannot move for the sheer volume of protesters wave, bystanders look on. Lots of filming on phones, tv cameras and handy cams. At the junction of Regent Street an arrest is made. People are chanting “Choose Your Side!” “Freedom!” and “We do not Consent!” As we move towards Piccadilly Circus the police show up in very large numbers. It doesn’t feel like a peaceful protest anymore.

1.45 pm. The protest is split up. I am in a smaller group that is blocked off by the police in Great Marlborough Street. There is not enough of a crowd to punch through the police line so many turn back up to Oxford Street where the message is passed along to go back to Marble Arch. More arrests are made as the police just keep coming. They work in packs of about 20-30, helmeted, masked and as disciplined as a standing army. It is quite intimidating. They separate out people who are by themselves, surround them and pin them to the pavement, then arrest them and take them away.

2.30 pm. There is no way through to Piccadilly Circus so we go back to Oxford Street and walk back to Marble Arch. There is a very visible police presence and at least 25 police vans.

3.05 pm. In the park some members of Freedom Festival go and talk to the police who are waiting at the Marble Arch park entrance then suddenly they are walking back to the much smaller group at Speakers’ Corner followed by a group of at least 50 police, mostly TSG. Is it looking like it is going to kick off? Protesters climb the railings to go onto the street or scatter in the park.

3.10pm. Some of the TSG start moving towards onlookers and we are pushed gradually back and encouraged to disperse. A lady next to me talks to one of the TSG who takes off his mask. He has a northern accent. These police appear to have been mobilised from across the country. The groups disperse. Time to go home and watch the rest of the protest that has been streaming on social media.

Boris Fights to Quell Rebellion

The Prime Minister has written a piece for today’s Mail on Sunday pleading with his rebel backbenchers not to rebel on Tuesday when the new restrictions are put to a vote.

We can’t blow it now. We can’t just throw it all away – not when freedom is in sight. We have worked too hard, lost too many, sacrificed too much, just to see our efforts incinerated in another volcanic eruption of the virus.

Once again, the British people have come together to bring Covid under control. Once again, our collective efforts have paid off – and as I write the R rate is once again below one.

Across the country, the disease is no longer doubling in prevalence. It is halving. We did it before, in the spring, and now we have done it again.

But this time it is different. This time we know in our hearts that we are winning, and that we will inevitably win, because the armies of science are coming to our aid with all the morale-boosting, bugle-blasting excitement of Wellington’s Prussian allies coming through the woods on the afternoon of Waterloo.

In months, or even weeks, we will have a viable vaccine against coronavirus – giving elderly and vulnerable people the durable protection they need. And we are not just backing one vaccine, but seven.

We have secured 40 million doses of the highly promising Pfizer-Biontech treatment, with millions possibly available by the end of this year. We have obtained 100 million doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine that is now going for approval by the regulators at MHRA. And as of yesterday, the Government has bought a total of 7 million doses of the Moderna vaccine, which has proved 95% effective in clinical trials.

Pretty feeble stuff, not helped by the tortuous metaphors. Indeed, Boris’s verbal gymnastics at a moment of such gravity feel sophomoric and inappropriate – and the same side of his personality was on display at a meeting with seven ministers last week when the decision to replace the national lockdown with a tiered system was made. According to the Sunday Times:

Boris Johnson could not quite decide if his attempts to channel Winston Churchill in the fight against the coronavirus had reached the equivalent of the Battle of Britain, when national survival was secured, or El Alamein, when the slow advance to victory began.

It was 8.15pm on Wednesday when the prime minister began summing up the conclusions of a closely guarded meeting of eight ministers that decided tier levels across England and the fate of millions. Several times the prime minister conjured up his hero’s spirit: “Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?” he mused. After what one witness described as “several mixed metaphors”, Johnson settled on: “I think we’re at the beginning of the end of the second half.”

Yesterday, the Prime Minister responded to a letter from the 70-strong Covid Recovery Group, addressing some of their concerns. Among the concessions he offered were:

  • To take into account “local views” when reviewing the restrictions every fortnight, with a heavy hint that some areas would be moved to a lower tier on December 19th.
  • A full cost-benefit analysis of the restrictions in different areas to be published before Tuesday’s vote.
  • A “sunset clause” whereby the new restrictions will come to an end on February 3rd and won’t be renewed without a Parliamentary vote.

Steve Baker, the Vice-Chair of the CRG, welcomed this as “constructive”, but according to the Observer it’s unlikely to persuade many of the rebel MPs to change their minds because they were so incensed by Michael Gove’s piece in the Times yesterday telling them to “take responsibility for difficult decisions”.

Boris Johnson was facing a growing Tory mutiny over new COVID-19 restrictions last night as furious Conservative MPs accused the government of exaggerating capacity problems in the NHS in an attempt to win their support.

Ahead of a crucial Commons vote on the new three-tier system on Tuesday, an extraordinary row erupted over claims by Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove that the NHS, including the newly constructed Nightingale hospitals, could be “physically overwhelmed”.

Writing yesterday in the Times, Gove revealed that the earlier decision to impose a second national lockdown had been taken after ministers had been presented with a grim picture of rising COVID-19 cases and Nightingale hospitals at capacity.

“Every bed, every ward occupied,” Gove wrote. Attempting to force rebel Conservatives into line, he told elected members that they had “to take responsibility for difficult decisions” in the national interest.

In a desperate attempt to win potential rebels round, the prime minister wrote to all MPs spelling out that regulations putting areas in tiers would end on February 3rd and be reviewed every fortnight until then. He also promised the analysis demanded by many MPs of the health, economic and social impact of COVID-19 and the measures taken to tackle them.

But as Tory MPs objected to Gove’s tone, the argument was stoked further as other Conservatives revealed to the Observer that health minister Nadine Dorries had told a group of them last week that the Nightingale hospitals were in fact largely unfilled because people regarded them as “dark and dingy”, and that it was proving difficult to find the staff to run them. A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Social Care denied she had used those words and said: “Each NHS Nightingale has been developing a clinical model that can be scaled up as and when additional capacity is required in the region. This model ensures that the right skill mix of staff will be available from NHS trusts in the region, NHS professionals and direct recruitment if required.”

A spokesperson for the NHS confirmed that just two of seven Nightingales – Manchester and Exeter – had begun to admit patients.

One senior Tory said: “Ministers like Gove cannot at one and the same time be saying we are on the brink of being overwhelmed unless we adopt far tougher measures, while admitting they are not using any but a tiny number of the emergency capacity beds we have, and that, anyway, they don’t have the staff. If it is as bad as he says, what have they been doing since March?”

Tobias Ellwood, one of the Tory MPs threatening to vote against the government on Tuesday, said Gove had been “completely disingenuous because every one of our Nightingales is underused – they are largely dormant”. On Twitter, he added: “Let’s not place areas in higher tiers, due to local bed pressure when other beds lie empty.”

Worth reading in full.

Gove’s argument was also attacked by Jonathan Sumption on Radio 4’s Today programme yesterday. The MailOnline has more:

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Lord Sumption said: “The problem is that there is a lack of rational thinking everywhere. 

There is, in this country, a particular problem which undermines Michael Gove’s article, which is the problem about the information that the Government puts out.

“Some of the statistics used to justify the lockdown have been extremely selective and tendentious. The most serious case recently, which was used to justify the current lockdown, resulted in criticism from the UK’s Statistics Authority.”

He added: “The fact is that the public has become increasingly unwilling to comply for reasons that to me are sound.

“Of course this is not enforceable. None of these things are enforceable, none of them are, without a strong measure of public willingness to comply.’

He added that “the fact that the Government cannot send policemen into every one to police it doesn’t seem to me to justify locking down ever large numbers of people’ who are ‘going to suffer no serious ill effects and certainly are not going to die”.

Ahead of Tuesday’s vote, we are encouraging Lockdown Sceptics readers to join in Peter Hitchens’s mass write-in to MPs. Read his appeal in the Mail on Sunday. The Conservative Woman has also given his campaign their full support.

Stop Press: Tory restlessness does not stop at the bank benches. The following is a message posted to a Facebook group for members of the Conservative Party in Kent, which is going into Tier 3 restrictions, despite several areas in the country being below the national average.

Around here in Tier 3, everyone I know is booking up dinners at pubs in Sussex or going to go up to London. This is a bit like the Delhi cobra cull during the British Raj when the authorities offered a bounty for every dead cobra. Initially it seemed to work, so they stopped paying. But it turned out that locals had been breeding cobras to get the cash and, when payments stopped, they let the snakes free. Misjudged incentives and restrictions lead to perverse or unintended outcomes. This stupid tier system means that rather than going to the pub down the road in an area with little Covid, lots of people will travel around instead. It won’t stop Covid but it will destroy business and livelihoods. Boris just has to go. Time up, cowboy.

Is the NHS Really on the Brink?

In the wake of Michael Gove’s claims that the NHS is on the brink of being overwhelmed, we asked the former NHS doctor who’s a regular contributor to Lockdown Sceptics to take a look at the latest data and ring round his friends to see if it was true. His answer won’t surprise you.

This morning Michael Gove asserted in the Times that all NHS hospitals including the super-surge Nightingale capacity could be overwhelmed by Covid patients if lockdown restrictions did not remain in force. Toby has kindly asked me to have a look at the latest hospital figures and comment on whether the available data supports this assertion with particular reference to London.

In May I was asked to write an opinion on what the coming months might bring. At the time I thought the primary issue was not medical, but socio-political. That remains my view today.

In answering the latest question, I will firstly look at the evidence that we are permitted to see by the NHS. I have reservations as to its veracity, but that’s all we have to go on. Then I will say what I think it means and finally draw some conclusions.

First, the data.

I prefer to look at ICU cases as a marker of Covid because the headline figures from the testing programmes are polluted by an unknown number of false positives and conflate asymptomatic and symptomatic cases. The ward-based inpatient data is too easily manipulated and doesn’t take account of the high turnover and relatively short stays for most patients. In addition, the burden of care for non-ICU patients is easier to manage in the event of a surge. Headline inpatient COVID figures are skewed by persistently high nosocomial (hospital acquired) infection, which Stevens, Vallance and Whitty expertly forget to mention in their dramatic public briefings.

Over the whole of England ICU cases have been relatively stable over the last two weeks – even falling off in the North West (Graph 1). With specific reference to London, there were 259 ICU patients counted as COVID positive on November 24th out of a current bedstock of approximately 1200 (21%).

The rate of admission is nothing like as steep as the spring and the picture across the capital is variable. In North East London, hospitals such as Barts and Barking have been under steady pressure for some weeks. In the last fortnight, South East London has seen an increase in numbers, consistent with outbreaks in Kent – localised to the Medway area. The West of London is quiet in Covid terms with very low numbers of ICU cases in South West and central London hospitals in particular.

Graph 2 shows the difference in the curves from April – May compared to Oct-Nov for the four worst affected central London teaching hospitals. Readers will notice some data drop out on the spring curves – because staff were too busy to report figures. A casual glance at this graph shows the disparity between the spring wave in blue and the autumn in brown– and these are the busiest hospitals in the capital in terms of Covid cases.

If we look at the ONS death statistics on Graph 3, there is nothing remarkable about this autumn compared to any of the last five years in terms of recorded deaths in London up to week 46 (November 13th). It is important to recognise that there is a lag between patients being ill with Covid and dying from it, and there is also a reporting lag – but the spring peak is clearly visible and coincides with peak hospital occupancy.

So, what’s all the fuss about?

The major difference between the spring and the autumn is that NHS hospitals are currently attempting to run a full load of routine work alongside usual winter pressures. Doctors often have to make decisions around prioritisation on the basis of medical need – if that means scaling back routine work to treat sicker patients, then we just have to live with it and catch up later. If Covid cases were to continue to rise and stress the system, scaling back routine work would be the logical thing to do. On the basis of the available evidence, there are no imminent signs of the situation getting out of hand in the way it did in the spring. In any event the capital has plenty of spare capacity in several large hospitals which are not currently particularly busy for this time of year.

The burden of patients with respiratory illness is not unusual for this time of year but protocols intended to limit the spread of COVID are creating added pressure. These have had the effect of removing large numbers of staff into self-isolation because they’ve been in contact with someone who’s tested positive using a PCR test. There’s no shortage of beds and equipment – but a shortage of people to staff them. During the spring, NHS Digital reported that 7.2% of NHS staff in London were off sick due to COVID related reasons – leaked information last month suggested that up to 30% of staff were absent in some Northern hospitals. These people are not necessarily ill themselves – just told to stay at home by NHS Test and Trace. Many of them will have been told to isolate as a result of false positive PCR test results.

In answer to a Parliamentary Question last week on the operational false positive rate of PCR testing, the best the Department of Health could produce was a short paper presented to SAGE on June 3rd – highlighting the fact that the NHS did not know what the false positive rate was. Estimates from previous work put it at between 0.8 and 4.0%. If we assume a median average of 2.3%, this implies the vast majority of NHS staff ordered to self-isolate have been in contact with false positives, given the relatively low prevalence of Covid. On June 3rd, SAGE was advised to urgently conduct external quality assessments to ascertain what the operational false positive rates were. I have searched the available minutes from SAGE since then and can find no further reference to this point – perhaps it is too embarrassing to be mentioned in public. False positives may be mitigated to a degree by the recent introduction of lateral flow tests, which I understand have a lower false positive rate. It is telling that Health Department officials have repeatedly denied there is a problem with false positives and the PCR tests – it has taken FOI requests and a Parliamentary Question to force an admission that SAGE has known about it for months.

SAGE minutes from Meeting 63 (Oct 25th) and Meeting 66 (Nov 5th) reveal an acknowledgement that nosocomial infections are also a significant problem. I note the committee avoided quantifying the issue – now running at about 20% from derived analysis of data in the public arena. Once again, the NHS has issued repeated denials that a significant percentage of Covid patients have been self-generated by failure of in-hospital infection control – only to be caught out when the evidence becomes overwhelmingly obvious.

From my reading of the available figures, there is no imminent cause for alarm in London – it is fear of a repetition of the spring which is driving senior NHS managers to agitate for further “non pharmaceutical interventions” (the euphemistic term for lockdown). I don’t understand why Michael Gove believes the NHS is at risk of being totally overwhelmed. If he has hard information to support that assertion, he should put it in the public domain for discussion. Failure to provide evidence justifying such breathless hysteria suggests he is shroud waving to influence his own backbench colleagues rather than making informed comment. Perhaps Gove is actually worried that the Government will lose the vote on Tuesday.

Within London, plans are in place for an expansion of ICU capacity, elective work can easily be scaled back and moving to a more reliable testing regime should reduce unnecessary staff absence. More tier-based restrictions appear to me to be a political choice, not a medical one. This sets a worrying precedent where medical bureaucrats advise the government to restrict civil liberties in order to conceal the consequences of their own poor preparation. My assessment is that we are currently in a lockdown of convenience, not of necessity.

Finally, I will test readers patience with another graphic – this time of an economic nature. Please note that the ‘y’ axis reads ‘billions of pounds’. That bill needs to be paid by private sector taxpayers, working in an economy which our current Government insists on vandalising with the active collusion of medical civil servants. There is moral hazard here, in that the officials advocating lockdown enjoy protected state-funded employment and pension rights. Would they be so keen on the idea if they had to suffer a 30% salary reduction until the middle of 2021?

Covid Tiers “Will Cost the Economy £900 Million a Day”

Analysis by the Centre for Economic and Business Research (CEBR) has estimated that the tiering system will cut GDP in the month of December by 13% compared to December last year, amounting to a cost of more than £20 billion. The Telegraph has more:

The CEBR worked out its forecast based on 31% of England’s economy being in Tier 3; 68% in Tier 2 and just 1% in Tier 1.

The forecaster estimated that the daily loss in GDP for Tier 3 is 20%, less than the lost output of 25% of GDP in April when schools and shops were closed. The loss in Tier 2 was estimated to be 10%.

Doug McWilliams, the CEBR’s Deputy Chairman. said: “It remains to be seen whether those costs, which of course can’t take account of the longer term damage done to so many pubs, restaurants, sports and entertainments venues, is justified by the reduced incidence of the disease. My suspicion is that the shutdowns imposed by Whitehall will end up doing more economic damage than can be justified on medical grounds.”

Julian Jessop of the Institute of Economic Affairs provided some grounds for cautious optimism:

“The tiered system is less of a drag than the England-wide lockdown. The package of restrictions currently in place – for example, non-essential shops are not allowed to open – is tighter than those in any of Tiers 1-3, so even moving from nationwide lockdown to Tier 3 is a marginal improvement – and will boost growth… The limited evidence so far suggests that the economic costs of lockdown 2 itself are less than feared, and certainly a lot less than lockdown 1.”

Worth reading in full.

Liam Halligan, writing for the Telegraph, is astonished that the Government still hasn’t commissioned its own analysis of the economic impact of the Covid restrictions it’s introduced.

While the rapid introduction of a two-week curfew was justifiable in March, lockdown extension during subsequent weeks and months should have been accompanied by exactly this sort of cost-benefit analysis.

Instead, Boris Johnson surrounded himself with a very narrow group of advisers – almost all medics, all with the same pro-lockdown views. No room was made for highly respected anti-lockdown epidemiologists (there are many), economists or others with a broader perspective.

The lack of such official cost-benefit analysis ahead of a policy that has already caused the deepest depression in three centuries, sent our national debt into orbit and destroyed thousands of businesses and millions of livelihoods, with much more to come, is simply astonishing.

Some highly respected independent economists have produced such studies – including former Monetary Policy Committee member David Miles and Professor Robert Rowthorn at Cambridge.

Their analysis suggests lockdowns can’t be justified. 

Worth reading in full.

SAGE Advice for Covid-safe Christmas

Santas have their temperature taken as they attend a socially distanced Santa school training at Southwark Cathedral in London, Monday, Aug 24th. (AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth)

The Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours has just released its “Insights on celebrations and observances during COVID-19“. It’s hard to imagine, as a reader commented, that it isn’t a little tongue in cheek. From the BBC:

The Government’s scientific advisory committee, SAGE, warns coronavirus could easily spread during the festive relaxation of the rules. They say people should still weigh up if an event could be postponed. If not, meeting online or outdoors where the risks of transmission are lower, could be a better option. But if you do go ahead, they say, it’s important to include everyone taking part in drawing up a plan for how to manage the event.

They highlight the particular importance of involving women in the decision-making. “Women carry the burden of creating and maintaining family traditions and activities at Christmas. Messaging should be supportive of women adapting traditions and encouraging those around them to share the burden and to be supportive of any alterations to adapt for COVID-19 restrictions.”

The Telegraph has provided a helpful summary of the advice:

May your Christmas be merry and bright!

Unlock Defensive Immunity With Vitamin D

A side of smoked salmon from Bleiker’s Smokehouse, a great source of Vitamin D

Three senior medics and a health researcher – David C Anderson MD MSc. FRCP FRCPath, David S Grimes MD FRCP, Parag Singhal MD FRCP and Chris Williams BSc – have written an open letter on Lockdown Sceptics imploring the Government to start issuing large doses of Vitamin D to the elderly and the vulnerable. Not the 10 micrograms (400 units) per day that the Government has just announced it will be giving away to 2.5 million people – which is “wholly inadequate”, according to these experts – but 100 micrograms per day.

Here’s an extract:

The phrase “following the science” has been used repeatedly, but this is inaccurate. Rather, we have been following the mathematicians, whose ignorance of biological science is dire.

To date, the disruptive and damaging attempts to control COVID-19 have been physical in nature. Lockdowns, ‘social distancing’, masks, etc. as if we are fighting a conventional war. Whereas. in reality, we are trying to defend ourselves against a virus, which is invisible and is transmitted through the air in its trillions. The virus will always be with us but we can develop immunity against it. Lockdown, masks, social distancing, closure of schools, universities, places of worship, shops, places of work, etc. may slow down the spread of the virus, but they will not cause it to go away. And people are still dying.

The answer lies in defensive immunity. We had a respite during the summer months when we had the benefit of the Vitamin D-producing sun with the production of vitamin D in our skin. Vitamin D is a hormone, the vital key that unlocks our complex, defensive process of immunity.

Worth reading in full.

Covid Hypocrite of the Week

Michael B. Hancock. Photo: David Zalubowski/Associated Press

More rank hypocrisy from the governing class. This time, the Mayor of Denver, flagged in the Wall Street Journal. Here is his statement of contrition:

I fully acknowledge that I have urged everyone to stay home and avoid unnecessary travel… What I did not share, but should have, is that my wife and my daughter have been in Mississippi, where my daughter recently took a job. As the holiday approached, I decided it would be safer for me to travel to see them than to have two family members travel back to Denver. I recognise that my decision has disappointed many who believe it would have been better to spend Thanksgiving alone… I made my decision as a husband and father and for those who are angry and disappointed, I humbly ask you to forgive decisions that are born of my heart and not my head.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Four today: “We’re Not Gonna Take It” by The Who, “Desolation Row” by Bob Dylan, “Hurt” by Johnny Cash, and “Oh What a Circus” by David Essex.

Love in the Time of Covid

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, from MailOnline, another tale of language policing at the BBC.

Football pundit Steve ‘Tommo’ Thompson has been axed by the BBC for describing a clash between players as “handbags”. The 65 year-old was laid off until the end of the year for using the familiar match day phrase after listeners complained.

Thompson, who works as a freelancer, made the comment on BBC Radio Lincolnshire during Lincoln City’s 1-0 win at Swindon Town on Tuesday. Explaining its decision to suspend Thompson, the BBC said that the term “handbags” did not meet its standards. 

The BBC said: “After listeners raised concerns, Steve acknowledged some of his comments on air didn’t meet the standards we expect. He is taking a break but will be back in the New Year.” Thompson had previously received a written warning about his use of language in 2018 and also referred to a player as a “drama queen”.

But fans have reacted in outrage at the BBC’s decision, arguing that using the well-known phrase did not merit Thompson’s immediate suspension. Marcus Greatorex told the Sun: “It’s just an old term. The BBC should pay more attention to songs on their stations promoting knife crime and drug use”.

Lincoln fan Bernard O’Mahoney said: “As any football fan knows, ‘handbags’ is an incredibly well-known saying… I can’t begin to think who’d be offended by it”.

“Handbags” is such a common term in sports commentary that it appears in the Collins Dictionary. It is described as “an incident in which people, especially sportsmen, fight or threaten to fight, but without real intent to inflict harm”.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Sarah Oliver in the the Mail on Sunday has written a terrific piece about the scandal at Eton following the dismissal of an English teacher for encouraging his students to question the idea that there’s something fundamentally toxic about masculinity. Includes some extraordinary details about how woke the school has become, such as the fact that the boys were shown a film about a man who becomes pregnant and gives birth.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Stop Press: Jenin Younes’s recent piece for the AIER blog on “The Strangely Unscientific Masking of America” describes how mask-wearing turned virtually overnight from something unheard of into a moral necessity. Well worth a read.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

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And Finally…

We think this is genuine. It’s a guide from the Workplace Mental Health Institute about how to tell if you’re in an abusive relationship, but it applies with extraordinary accuracy to the Government’s attitude towards the people of Britain. Perhaps it’s time to end that relationship…

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Endthelockdown
Endthelockdown
5 years ago

Make a statement whenever you’re out and about!

Anti-lockdown Black Cotton Face Mask
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203182957510

Loren Brown
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Im7jsW9_Y – Excellent explanation of Exosomes and how is the ‘test’ ?
Have you heard of the emerging ‘theory’ of what viruses might be: exosomes? Plse check out http://www.questioningcovid.com

David
5 years ago

Why do you not name the “former NHS doctor”? This strikes me as being a classic example of the use of “fake experts” to create the sense of scientific discord, without any strong evidence to support the claim – a strategy perfected by the tobacco industry to sow doubts about the effects of smoking.

Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago

I need to unload a bit here. This is the gist of a tweet I woke up to this very early morning:

They are worried about being able to cope with social interaction when ‘we’ get back to something ‘closer to normal’. 95% of their human interaction has been with partner and pets, and write that ‘I think it’s making me weird?’

How can this person not have the ability to see this applied in a child development context? Or in a disability context? Or on a whole-societal basis? This person is an academic and should be able to extrapolate. They proudly announced earlier that they wear a mask even on their daily jog and are very pro-lockdown. This person should not be released back into the wild without serious supervision, let alone be allowed anywhere near a student.

I seriously want to found my own university where it is REQUIRED that lecturers sit in a small class-room with 20 students, sans masks, and just get on with the business of education.

Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

I’m not interested in what the pig dictator has to say, or how a vote goes

Parliament is an irrelevant cess pit

paul brunner
paul brunner
5 years ago

You British people better be careful or you will end up like the sheep in Victoria, locked down for 4 months.
Or even worse, locked down for 3 days in South Australia, because a naughty pizza boy told a porky pie.
At least some of you are demonstrating – here they do as they are told – bemasked, befuddled, and they still suppport the governments that locked down.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  paul brunner

Isn’t it summer there? Madness!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Article in Montréal’s Metro newspaper says that private companies, allied with the military, will begin to distribute vaccines throughout Canada no later than Dec 15 2020. Merry Christmas!

Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I think they’re going to be in with a shock when they realise that people won’t be queueing up to get any of these.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

Johnson shows his true colours is the belief of the commenters on the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999285/Boris-Johnson-warns-Tory-MPs-risk-lockdown-3.html

‘Back me or face Lockdown 3’: Boris Johnson battles Tory revolt as he tells MPs they must unite behind tier system in Commons vote this week or face a THIRD lockdown – but dangles prospect of the harshest curbs being eased within weeks

Just a couple of the comments:

“So Boris is starting to show his true colours. He is very much saying: “If you don’t back me, then face the consequences”. Which is nothing short of BLACKMAILING. Stuff is getting real, we live in a dictatorship
people, Democracy and Freedom are dead.”

“W..h..a…t….?!?!?!?! “Back me or I will punish the public more” I cannot believe this is England.”

“Do as you are ordered, or i will make things worse! What great leadership skills he has!”

One last one for the NHS fans:

“Protect the NHS from what? Ever having to lift a finger again? This nhs hero worship is pathetic and deeply damaging. The brain washed public seem to think the nhs shouldn’t have to do anything other than make tiktok videos abs [sic] waltz to the front of the queue at their… Read more »

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

He’s thick and dangerous, and dangerously thick. Never has there been a more cretinous idiot at the top of Govt. And on that note, I shall retire for the night!

DavidC
DavidC
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

Yes, but…but…!

He can quote Greek and Latin poetry! What better for our Churchillian leader on a scientific and microbiological subject?! Oh Johnson, our Lord, our Leader!

(Sorry, I feel bit sick…)

DavidC

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Any chance BJ can face consequences (preferably in The Hague)?

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

I saw a comment about selective policing. It reminds me of a report I seem to remember, about a pro-cannabis protest in Manchester, and people openly smoking weed at it (theoretically illegal and according to the likes of Peter Hitchens harmful)), but the police took no action against them. A bit selective, whatever the rights and wrongs of it, when we consider the policing of other protests.

Also, talking to a local grocer when investigating an assault against my brother (the police obviously never got the culprit), he complained that people run into his shop and nick things, and the police don’t do anything about it. So he told me.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Smoking weed? It’s very very very popular, especially these days. The law getting involved in weed is ridiculous . Almost as ridiculous as the COVID measures and very very damaging to a lot of people.

The law should make weed safer, control the supply, educate the users and take the crime out of the industry.

It’s totally legal in about 14 states in the USA now. Millions of people use it every day with no ill effects. Often cannabis use has some very beneficial outcomes too.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I am in favour of freedom but the idea cannabis smoking is a harmless drug is I am afraid a stupid lie. Cannabis psychosis is not an invention, neither is lung damage in young people and neither is general deterioration in mental faculties when people smoke it.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yer BUT……First cannabis doesn’t need to be smoked at all, vaping it works very well and its very very safe lung damage wise. It can be eaten or drank in tea, even safer. 100% safe.

Cannabis psychosis? something like 140000 people would need to be prevented from taking cannabis to stop one case of cannabis psychosis.

Also as I say education is the key here, people are not informed on HOW to use cannabis safely. People take WAY too much WAY too often. Overdosing is linked to tobacco addiction too.

Because it is illegal here people often cover up their cannabis use and can get mentally unhealthy because they can’t talk to anybody about their cannabis use. This can compound problems with mental health.

With proper control people would have a choice of the strain of cannabis they use, and can opt for strains with a different balance of THC and CBD.
Cannabis doesn’t cause brain damage either.

Prohibition of cannabis damages health and destroys lives.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

You are trying to set up some Aunt Sallies. I wasn’t arguing for prohibition. Drugs have been part of the human experience since the dawn of time. But I hate all the nonsense about it being a harmless herb. It ain’t.

Let’s assume 20% of the population use cannabis regularly, that woukd be something like 14 million people. So you are really trying to tell me that over 50 years of smoking there will be only 20 cases per annum. Balls, says I. Unless you’ve led a very sheltered life, we’ll all know many examples of people very negatively affected by cannabis. I could name 4 or 5 people off the top of my head seriously affected by using it. If I can, so can millions of others…of course there will be a huge amount of cross referencing but we,are talking about hundreds of thousands or millions affected negatively.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am not saying smoking weed cannot make people go crazy. It does for sure. I don’t know what you mean by the 50 years of smoking thing. What I am saying is that millions of people use cannabis in the UK and cases of cannabis psychosis are pretty low. Not a good enough reason to stop everybody using it.

Like I say people use way too much, like an alcholic trying for oblivion when they drink. People try to use weed in the same way. Cannabis can easily compound mental issues, magnifying them. More cannabis doesn’t help. People think it does.

There is good deal of macho bravado around weed use too especially with young guys. Often they will go for the big hits and sit there hammered and paranoid but will be too afraid to admit it to their mates for fear of looking soft and so will keep hitting the bongs and going crazier…when they should be talking and not smoking.

Me, a sheltered life? Not really.
I would also add that “going crazy” due to the weed is a natural process due to the fact the world we live in is totally insane. Perhaps the weed… Read more »

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

In one post you say..

“Cannabis doesn’t cause brain damage either.”

In another you say….

“I am not saying smoking weed cannot make people go crazy. It does for sure. “

I think your “brain” is irreparably damaged, I really do.

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“ I don’t know what you mean by the 50 years of smoking thing.”

I am speechless, are you really that stupid?

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“and can get mentally unhealthy”

Speaking from experience perhaps?

You are an utter wanker, you really are.

In one post you seem to think it’s a good thing but then….

Have difficulty concentrating and following the plot do we?

Classic.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

B-but you can make lovely cakes with it.. (so I’ve been told…)

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

B-but hardly anybody does on a regular basis,,do they? They smoke it eitber with tobacco or through a bong – so I’ve been told.,

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I really wouldn’t know.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Most people smoke weed in spliffs with tobacco. This is a bad thing. For two reasons, the addiction to the tobacco will cause people to smoke a lot of weed this makes it hard to differentiate between weed addiction and baccy addiction. It also make it hard to give up either of them.

Bongs can be pretty safe and do cut down on the tar inhaled. Mixing baccy with the weed is a bad thing in general and should be discouraged through EDUCATION.

Education need to be sensible not hysterical. In the netherlands a lot of young people don’t bother smoking it because its just a normal thing there. It’s what old people do I guess. Not that trendy. However if people want to have some, well, it’s no big deal either, just go to the shop and buy some or even better grow their own.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

while we’re on the subject, why was the pharmaceutical industry so keen to have apricot kernels banned from being sold as a food? (For my own good?). I’ve been taking them for years and haven’t noticed any harm from it. I suspect that, in a great many cases, the harm (or lack of it) that something causes doesn’t necessarily bear a close relationship to whether it is legal or not.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I don’t know about apricots seeds but I have heard something about them being banned but I don’t know why, were they a bit poisonous? Heavy metals or arsenic or something?

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Same with apple seeds. Apparently you’d have to eat buckets of them or something to take serious harm though. And chemotherapy is definitely more toxic. (Apricot kernels are said to help prevent and cure cancer – but the pharmaceutical industry can’t make a big profit from them). I’ve been having a few apricot kernels a day and I’m fine. The EU say that even one will be harmful (and presumably big pharma is behind that).

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“I don’t know about apricots seeds”

You don’t appear to know much about anything, but it doesn’t seem to stop you commenting on it.

Elsewhere in the comments you casually mention about teenagers in Netherlands being able to seek assisted suicide, as though it’s some kind of casual aside, but then “scold” me and others in another thread, for a little bit of dark (patently bloody obvious!) humour, using a pompous school teacher tone, simply shows what an utterly supercilious cretin you are!

Just a guess, week smoking (ex) school teacher perhaps?

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“I don’t know why, were they a bit poisonous? Heavy metals or arsenic or something?”

A “bit” poisonous – “Heavy metals or arsenic”

A “bit” really?

Cretin.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Smoking apricot kernels hasn’t been studied I think.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

They don’t work
neither does nutmeg or banna skins

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I thought not but didn’t like to admit it.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

😉

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Do you think smoking weed is popular?

Oh silly me, you do!

But you don’t think it’s very very very very popular then?

Only very very very popular?

I suspect you may be a participant judging by the mostly brain dead comments you make like an unwanted weed all over this comments section.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Apart from the clear MH harms weed causes, I find users of this drug completely uninteresting. Boring twats that lack character.

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

+1

As demonstrated I suspect, by “Two-Six”.

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago

Zachary Denman is making some good videos in London.

Cashless Society | Dystopian Sci-Fi Short Film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPMnXRWD0Ac

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Subbed last week, I’m surprised he hasn’t been cancelled yet.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago

My mrs went to A&E tonight, she’s went deaf in one ear and has blood coming out of it. The door was locked so she buzzed and spoke to one of the wankers in there. They told her to go away. Wouldn’t see her or listen to her and told her to phone NHS 24 who told her to go to her doctor tomorrow. To say i’m angry is putting it mildly. What is going on in this country when you can present yourself at hospital with blood coming out your ear and they do nothing, refusing to help in any way? It’s a piss poor service, vastly expensive and lacking in any caring decency. I will be putting in a complaint tomorrow not that that will make any difference. They all cover up for each other

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Absolutely disgusting, could be a perforated eardrum, make sure she gets seen tomorrow.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yoiks. Does she have an ear infection or was it a cotton bud mis-hap?
Not let into A&E. FFS. Insane.
Perhaps call an ambulance?
Actually I know somebody who accidentally rammed a cotton bud INTO her ear drum. It healed up pretty fast and its ok now.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

There wasn’t anyone in the place being treated, no cars in the car park. We’re meant to be locked down to keep the NHS working. It’s just the beginning my friends, they aim to destroy us. These people refused to treat someone in need of help. Kinda the opposite of what i pay my fuckin taxes for. Still the fact she’s bleeding from her fucking ear and in pain and went deaf and not being treated is her way of helping not spread this bullshit virus. What an absolute shower of utter cunts .

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

yer, nasty. Very nasty. I hope she is OK soon.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Cheers, and so do i. I only love three people in this world and she’s one of them

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Hopefully she can get some help fast, these days once you get through the fences it seems like treatment is very rapid due to most of the hospitals being almost empty, the doctors are fighting over the patients.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes, I hope all is ok soon. Unbelievable they didn’t even triage her.

Ear problems can be very painful and stubborn, as I know only too well.

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Despite my little rant at “Two-Six” – long story…..

I add my wishes that she is ok.

It is a fact that A & Es are very often almost empty, my friends partner is a nurse in critical care and is actually quite shocked at how the whole hospital situation is being misrepresented by the government and the media.

But don’t forget “the NHS is the envy of the world”. Not.

DavidC
DavidC
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Ditto Biker.

DavidC

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“Perhaps call an ambulance?”

Whilst I genuinely sympathise with Bikers missus, “advice” like this is cretinous.

But then look who’s making it I suppose…..

“Actually I know somebody who accidentally rammed a cotton bud INTO her ear drum.”

As opposed to ramming it “OUT OF” her ear drum then?

Was she smoking weed at the time?

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Locking A&E is a new low. Surely something wrong with NHS Scotland.

jb12
jb12
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, it is in Scotland.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

That’s horrendous, I’m so sorry. Utter bastards.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

“short-circuit the usual channels” (Reach For The Sky).. Put up some posters in the streets round the hospital saying what happened (or protest in person if you have time). I did something similar about a parking problem outside our house and they got the message in the end. Don’t let them silence you!

DavidC
DavidC
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I’m not surprised you’re angry. Forigive my language, but fucking disgusting of them. ‘The NHS is open for business’ – yeah, right.

DavidC

Chrissie
Chrissie
5 years ago

Just in from swprs.org, there is a new wonderdrug against covid19: https://swprs.org/2020/11/29/ivermectin-may-defeat-covid-19/

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

The Fuzz are wearing masks. How thoughtful of them.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

All the male police officers, and some others possibly, seem to have beards these days so maybe the Fuzz are wearing masks to mask their fuzz?

Chrissie
Chrissie
5 years ago

I found a german transcript of what Ralf Ludwig, the lawyer of the German Querdenker said in a speech on 18 nov, and here it is google translated (he said in germany the pandemy is over bc according to the new law, only 10% of all pcr test positive could really be infectious):
“Section 28a, paragraph 2 of the Infection Protection Act, the new section, actually helps us because it says that measures are only permitted if there are infections. But there are no infections in this country. There are only test positives! That means, I have just read now that the Federal President has signed the law and with that de Jura the pandemic is over. Because from tomorrow the health authorities will have to prove that there are not only test positives, but that those who have a positive PCR test also have a so-called cultivable agent, i.e. H. that what was found there can be cultivated and thus infectious. If this is not the case, there is no infection and if there is no infection, there must be no action. And that is required from tomorrow because it is now in the law. And every employee in… Read more »

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissie

WoooooHoooo!

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissie

Good news indeed.

Chrissie
Chrissie
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissie

This is the video, starts approximately min. 46: https://samueleckert.net/kulmbach-eins-zwei-polizei-nationalhymne/

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Chrissie

That’s fantastic!!!!

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago

Live Free or Die – Lockdowns and Covid vs Freedomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGd8Lhe8QrM

Good update from Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen. A rare voice of sanity.

malasdair
malasdair
5 years ago

There appears to be experts that still claim that only a small percentage of the population has been exposed to the virus (presumably because of lockdowns, masks, etc.), making it impossible that herd immunity has been attained. Given how virulent the virus supposedly is, does this make any sense? This seems contradictory to me, but I’m hoping that experts in virology etc can chime in on this.

Thank you

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  malasdair

No, it doesn’t make sense.

Considerable cross-immunity, stemming from exposure to previous coronaviruses, and based on T.cells already existed. A study out of Tübingen University in the summer, showed that around 60 to 70 % already had this immunity.

This is confirmed by the empirical data of 2020.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  malasdair

Are you serious? Or are you just trolling?

malasdair
malasdair
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Not trolling. I’m having an argument about it with a doctor in Canada. Or so he claims.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  malasdair

Not just herd immunity from this, but cross immunity from other pathogens is clear. I don’t know how anyone party to the data can deny it and keep a straight face.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

“It” “this”’… why are you never specific?

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Because typing this is easier than typing SARS-Cov-2. Is that ok with you?

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  malasdair

Not just contradictory, it’s complete bullshit and you can be certain that their only expertise is in flat out lying to serve an agenda. You cannot stop a circulating respiratory virus/pathogen, end of. Lockdowns demonstrably haven’t worked, may have slowed spread but have caused untold harm, and it is most likely that up to 50% of the population already had cross-reactive T-cell immunity from previous exposure to coronaviruses. Viz Ivor Cummins, Mike Yeadon, John Lee et al.

Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago

One of the worst things is losing friends who you’ve known for years because they have been sucked into the vortex that is a pseudo-epidemic and who attack you.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

The good thing for all of us is that it will eventually become abundantly cleart to all that it was a pseudo.epidemic.

I think the deconstruction of the narrative is quickening.

Make a note of those friends so that you can later say: “I told you so”,

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

i can’t wait , i have a long list

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Worth remembering that if you give in to that temptation you have almost certainly lost a friend for good, which may or may not matter. Better to reinforce their newly acquired knowledge and welcome them back to the land of the living, you can always change your mind about the friendship later!

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

So, where do we go from here?

All of the institutions of our society are now heavily invested in the official narrative. The decisions that they have made, have had such negative effects on so many people that they have no way back that does not involve a complete loss of face and credibility, not to mention legal liability and personal consequences.

There is no going back.

Therefore they will go forward.

However, the narrative is now crumbling on so many fronts that only ever-increasing censorship and authoritarian policing can keep things going for them in the short term. The downside of these is that they cost the system even more credibility and support in the long term.

I think the public will more or less tolerate the covid measures until Spring. As the weather warms up – bringing more people outside – and the economy deteriorates, we can expect impatience to massively grow, By that time it will also be clear that vaccinations do not mean the end of the covid measures, intensifying the mood.

The only way that this ends now is with some social and economic cataclysm that sweeps the present system away.

The guy who runs… Read more »

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I hope politics and protest will make the difference before then.

I was much encouraged when the wonderful Desmond Swayne MP spoke up. I said all we needed to make a real difference is 40 rebel
Tory MPs. We’ve got more than that now and they are already getting concessions.

At the same time the protests on the street and the dissent in the media is making itself felt.

All is not lost yet.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I get the impression that the “concessions” amount to nitpicking about tiers.
I hope it’s more fundamental than that!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yep – those are quite petty concessions designed to buy off dissent, but all the while the hard core of rebels is growing. Why not rebel if you know for certain you will lose your seat as an MP if you allow Bozo to continue with his crazy lockdown policies.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

Tonight’s theme. “Sensible Celebrities”…or should it be “Bribable Celebrities”. Could we get a crowd funded legal action against these low IQ celebs that they are posing as medical advisors to the potential detriment of public health.

Here’s my starter list for “Sceptical Celebrities”: “Ian Brown, Liam Gallagher, Johnny Rotten, Laurence Fox …

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago

The Times fully supports violence against anti-lockdown protestors in London. However it isn’t so keen on police violence in France, the same out of control aggressive behaviour has been present for months in the UK. Time to retrain the Territorial Support Group before they kill someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTEG8gu3U68
Police Brutally Beat Black Man For Not Wearing A Mask, Welcome To the Dystopia

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago

Just watched Paris yesterday, the only thing they needed masks for was the teargas. The huge protests in many parts of Europe offer us hope and will hopefully inspire us to put our foot down with a firm hand in UK.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

“Some of the statistics used to justify the lockdown have been extremely selective and tendentious” – Lord Sumption. So, just out of interest, what exactly are they playing at? (Presumably something along the lines of running scared of the fear porn put out by the msm).

And are those plastic visor things any better than cloth masks, and is there any proper evidence that either are effective for general use by the public in preventing the spread of cv? (For an acquaintance).

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Visors are good if you use a chainsaw or an angle grinder. That’s ALL they are good for. Wearing one to stop the covids is INSANE.

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

“Visors are good if you use a chainsaw or an angle grinder. That’s ALL they are good for.”…says someone who has probably never used either…

I hope no-one takes your “expert” advice.

The ones sold for “covid” would be utterly useless, not only for covid, but also to be used to protect your eyes when using a chainsaw or even an angle grinder in many situations.

But don’t let ignorance stop you commenting eh?

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

Thanks for that, interesting stuff. I got a bit of a roasting for not wearing a face covering at the funeral – I’m exempt so far as I understand the rules(I reluctantly put a scarf over my face as I took my seat – nowhere near anyone outside my household). Apparently I don’t care about other people as there were vulnerable people in attendance. So far as I’m concerned though, I didn’t cough on anyone, I didn’t stand near anyone, and I didn’t have symptoms of infectious disease anyway, so I’m not convinced there was any great problem.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Definitely no problem. Keep up the good work.

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Thanks!

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Masks and visors are just compliance tools. People just want you to share in their misery. Our theatre.

If you have the time.

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320032362550464516

String
String
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

“is there any proper evidence that either are effective” Nope.

“This week an outbreak in a Swiss hotel affected staffers wearing only face shields…” https://abcnews.go.com/Health/face-shields-replace-masks-experts-hope-work-resort/story?id=72092931 

Ian Neish
Ian Neish
5 years ago
Reply to  String

That’s as obvious as the nose on your face ffs

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It would be patently obvious, even to a person of limited intelligence, that a visor cannot possibly prevent the wearer from breathing the same air as everyone else. If someone were to cough directly in your face, droplets might end up on it but the accompanying aerosols clearly wouldn’t be inhibited. They are arguably less effective than say a surgical mask (cloth masks are more prone to harbouring and thus transmitting infection) which are also useless for all practical purposes when worn by the public. This is because they are largely incapable of stopping viral particles due to their size and any gaps give rise to leakage jets which tend to carry further than normal (unforced) exhalation.

T. Prince
T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

I see a lot of weirdos now wearing both. Outside….

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

They’re either taking the piss or completely terrified, silly sods.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

Never understimate the power of the fearporn.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

No indeed. Thankfully most people here either rapidly produce antibodies for it or have previously acquired immunity from the global warming scam.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
5 years ago

Just seen some videos of protestors in Paris yesterday and made me think of this song from Les Miserables:

Do You Hear the People Sing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q82twrdr0U

Do you hear the people sing?

Singing a song of angry men?

It is the music of a people

Who will not be slaves again

When the beating of your heart

Echoes the beating of the drums

There is a life about to start

When tomorrow comes…

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

It is time for us all
To decide who we are
Do we fight for the right
To a night at the opera now?
Have you asked of yourselves
What’s the price you might pay?
Is this simply a game
For a rich young boy to play?
The colours of the world
Are changing day by day

Red: the blood of angry men!
Black: the dark of ages past!
Red: a world about to dawn!
Black: the night that ends at last!

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Is that Russell Crowe playing Hancock? He looks baffled enough not to know what’s going on.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

There’s a song from Les Miserables called ‘Empty Chairs And Empty Tables’ (I think). With all the pub, restaurant and cafe closures that are happening right now, the song keeps popping into my head. The lyrics are so pertinent

Do politicians know their own voting choices are destroying life – and the not the ‘virus’? They alone are responsible

leggy
leggy
5 years ago

Posted in replies below, but well worth a watch. How protests should be policed. In Spain too. Sorry for FB link, not sure if it’s elsewhere.

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/posts/3497621913689800/

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

What’s the point of posting that unless you approve of the police -and maybe the army in your case – being part of a system preventing people from enjoying their natural rights as human beings?

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Are you against protests where people aren’t arrested? I’m all for them, especially where it appears some police may be on the right side. Anyway, I’m not here to argue.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

You’re not here to argue? Lol So why do you keep putting up pro lockdown propaganda on a lockdown sceptics site. Just be honest and clear about your views rather than using these deceptive strategies.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Pro lockdown propaganda? Come again?

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yes pro lockdown propaganda. Every time. Quite subtle I grant you but you never say for instance “lockdowns don’t work” in unambiguous fashion
Because that’s not your job here.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Oh yeah and you couldn’t explain why you were expecting a huge rise in Covid deaths once
masks were made mandatory,

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Non-mandatory…my mistake.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

You need to lay off the shrooms mate. I don’t need to state that lockdowns don’t work, it’s clear to everyone here that they’ll kill far many more than this virus ever will. That’s before even considering the hideous amounts of other collateral damage.

wayno
wayno
5 years ago

Please watch this. It might not appeal to everyone but the guys behind it were supposed to get it on amazon prime but apparently it breaks the coronavirus legislation. Behind a pay wall of 59p so I’m sure you guys can stretch to it. Oh and I’m in it 😃https://vimeo.com/ondemand/covidconspiracy?fbclid=IwAR2vxwx3MC7KqeKzWuUd8pk1-0pr9GMmmPoD4xBkt4bXoFw6_zh9bWoLX4g

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  wayno

Thanks, watched the trailed will be back to watch the rest. Not surprised that Amazon won’t touch it 🙂

wayno
wayno
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

They commissioned it though,legals apparently weren’t happy with Mr gates name being mentioned

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago

A retraction letter sent to Eurosurveillance regarding the key PCR Dorsten authored paper:

Retraction request letter to Eurosurveillance editorial board – CORMAN-DROSTEN REVIEW REPORT

It is said their protocol is followed by 70% of the PCR Tests that are in use.

The background to this retraction request is going into court cases in Netherlands and Germany.

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago

And yet another example of the basis on which our ‘misled’ government could change the (government paid MSM) narrative and lead us out of this mess.

The fact they won’t debunks the ‘prove L1 was necessary/incompetent Boris/SAGE’ defence.

calchas
calchas
5 years ago

A further very important crack in the narrative.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago

From what I know, Drosten is the bad guy in all of this

richmond
richmond
5 years ago

Newcastle United have received another two positive Covid tests and are now waiting nervously to learn whether they have suffered a mass infection within the first-team squad.

Because if they have they will all have to self-isolate. Not because they may all die. Serves them right for agreeing to take the tests in the first place.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

Be fair, naked greed for more millions is a powerful motivating force. Ask Marcus.

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  richmond

Cristiano Ronaldo had three separate PCR tests – all positive. He called the PCR tests bull sh*t. He’s right

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago

Saw this on zerohedge:-

If the masks work—Why the six feet?
 
If the six feet works—Why the masks?
 
If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?
 
If all three of the above work—Why the vaccine?
 
If the vaccine is safe—Why protect it with a no liability clause?
 
If the vaccine is safe—Why not test it on animals first before using it on humans?
 
If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why has it never been isolated?
 
If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated—How can an effective vaccine be developed?
 
If the RT-PCR test works—Why so many false positives?
 
If Kary Mullis, the inventor of the RT-PCR test who conveniently died in August 2019, says his test shouldn’t be used to diagnose infectious diseases—Why use it to detect SARS-CoV-2?
 
If there is an epidemic—Why so many empty hospitals? 
      
If large numbers of people are dying from SARS-CoV-2—Why so many fake causes of death on death certificates?
 
If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why give doctors financial incentives to diagnose SARS-CoV-2?
 
If the official COVID-19 narrative is defensible—Why censor people who dispute this narrative?
 
(Source: John Wear, retired lawyer, accountant and regular author of The Barnes Review Journal)

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

“Too logical Mr Spock…Scotty, advance to Warped Lockdown 3!”

richmond
richmond
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Excellent work Mr Wear. Excellent work.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Succinct rationalisation of the whole thing.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Whose rationalisation?

Ben
Ben
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

To perpetuate the illusion of danger from an unseen virus. No masks, no signs, no social distancing means no fear – life goes on as normal.

And to make life miserable so we surrender and accept the WEF’s new terms for living – endless vaccines and immunity passports/digital ID.

We are under attack. The aim is to enslave us using Pharma and tech.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

A Dutch friend just posted this on fb. The translation isn’t brilliant but you’ll get the gist. “Mouth cap” obviously means face nappy.

“BREAKIN’ NEWS!!
From the weekly meeting of the council of ministers it has been leaked that next Tuesday, December 1, the cabinet will announce the already determined decision that the behavioral experiment on the urgent advice on wearing a mouth cap will NOT be converted into an obligation, but that this advice will be lifted correctly. Feel free to take off your mouth cap and safely store it in the garbage bucket.
The cabinet has concluded that the experiment regarding wearing face masks has failed and has agreed to the enormous increase in objections to this experiment in society regarding this urgent advice and imminent obligation.
Because this news won’t be officially revealed until Tuesday, there will be no announcement about this in today’s press conference.”
Waiting for this good decision!

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I’m still waiting for one of these:

1) Country decides masks are not effective and no longer enforces compliance.
2) Huge spike in infections and deaths
3) This proves that masks clearly do work after all, therefore become mandatory for everyone, everywhere for ever more.

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Not enough ‘dry tinder,’ to use that horrible phrase, for any huge spike of deaths. Obviously, any government with a will can pull a spike of infections out of its colon as big as you like.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Huge numbers of people are being dried out by lockdowns. We already know deaths from other causes are being attributed to covid.

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yes, but why would there be a spike? And how could the ending of gimp gags be timed to precede it in such a way as to look like causation? So far regimes have been very bad at timing their lockdowns to catch turns of the curve.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Quite, Ovis.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Why ‘horrible phrase’? Can you think of better to describe the phenomenon?

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Horrible, because it’s not very nice to liken people to dry sticks; no, I can’t think of a better phrase, which is why I used that one.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Your meaning is unclear. What do you mean by “one of these” when it looks like you mean all three happening sequentially. But why then would 2 happen? Please explain.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I mean the incident of all three happening.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

So why would 2 happen?

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Mass testing + FPR, mass lockdown casualties.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

But you’ve got those already while people have been masked so taking off masks will have zero effect. Perhaps you’re just trying to smuggle in a negative, demoralising idea there.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’m certainly more than a bit cynical at the moment.

I feel better for having watched this though. Valencia.

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/posts/3497621913689800/

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

You’re not actually making any sense tonight and no thanks to the link.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Why would you want that? You’re evidently sick!

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Jesus – I never said I wanted that – given the levels of chicanery this year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen. Unless you believe that there’s no duplicity going on around us?

dhid
dhid
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

leggy – I think people are misunderstanding what you are saying.

I think it might have been using “what I’m waiting for..” that caused the confusion, coupled with the hour and refreshment perhaps.

Unless I’m misunderstanding you..Lol!

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The cabinet has concluded that the experiment regarding wearing face masks has failed…

“Experiment”? That’s about right, I reckon; one of many being run on us at the moment.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Mass wearing of face coverings has never been tried so it is experimental.

Of course, those conducting the experiment don’t care about the medical results, only the compliance with fascism

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. . . It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

This would be fantastic news.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Excellent news – Netherlands, like Sweden, is a country the MSM find difficult to write off.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Perhaps they’ve realised that they work about as well as a Dutch cap. This information should be included in the Blameless Shagging Bit above.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St SARS-CoV-2 Testing: Sensitivity Is Not the Whole Story
US article discussing the difficulties with mass testing with antigen tests as suggested by UK government.The usual problems with many false positive in low endemic situation and horrendous costs. 

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This article discusses such issues and suggests a way to eliminate useless results.

It is in relation to Australia’s situation specifically but offers some sensible points that an MP would like as its a bit of middle ground. It wouldn’t even come close to what most on here would want granted

Accuracy amidst ambiguity: false positive SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid tests when COVID-19 prevalence is low (rcpa.edu.au)

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