Lockdown Rebellion Returns
Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph reports that the Covid Recovery Group of Conservative MPs is now as many as 100 strong and enjoying increasing clout with Number 10. The return to tiers was, he claims, a concession to the rebels, but that doesn’t mean they’re happy with the result.
It all sounds a bit ungrateful, given that it’s not even a year since Boris Johnson personally won an 80-strong majority for his otherwise-doomed party. But many Tories feel that a national collapse is underway, because the Government cannot think its way out of lockdown. Last week, the Chief Whip finally persuaded the Prime Minister of the seriousness of the situation: there are now about 100 MPs in the “Covid group” of rebels. They wanted a local lockdown system, judged on clear criteria and answerable to parliamentary scrutiny.
What they got yesterday was intended to quell the mutiny. No more Vallance and Whitty horror shows, with blood-curdling slides drawn from data which falls apart on further scrutiny. No more “illustrations” or “scenarios” showing 50,000 cases a day or 4,000 daily deaths. In its place, new criteria for judging local lockdowns: virus infection levels, especially among the elderly. The rate of virus growth (or decline). Pressure on the NHS.
In theory, it’s just what lockdown sceptics asked for: a transparent, evidence-based way of judging the new system. But the way the map has been drawn has led even pro-lockdown MPs into revolt as many find their constituency under tougher restrictions than before lockdown. They ask why their constituency has been lumped with others – and how they can justify voting it through. “This is like one of these old colonial maps where they draw a marker pen through territory they don’t recognise,” says one MP.
The new system is riddled with maddening inconsistencies.
Kent is regarded as one homogeneous lump and been placed into Tier 3, having had no special restrictions before lockdown. All of Buckinghamshire has ended up in Tier 2, in spite of places like the Chilterns being almost as Covid-light as Cornwall and the Isle of Wight. York, too, is back in Tier 2 – in spite of having less Covid than before lockdown. In the Commons yesterday, MPs queued up to ask: where is the logic?
It’s looking like MPs will get a cost-benefit analysis, but not the one they’ve been pressing for.
No 10 has made one final offering: to publish assessments of what local lockdowns do to the economy, society and wider public health. This is intended to persuade MPs that the Prime Minister will now look at things in the round and judge local lockdowns by more than simply the virus levels. This would do much to assuage those who argue that officials should talk about risk to cancer treatment, or the chances of furloughed small businesses making it to Easter. But those who have seen the ideas for the report predict that it will be underwhelming, and unlikely to win over any wavering MPs.
In a press release put out by the Covid Recovery Group, Harriett Baldwin MP, a former minister, said:
I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate.
Over 23 million of us were living under Tier 1 restrictions before the lockdown – that figure will be under 1 million in December. There is no logic whatsoever in having a month of lockdown only for people to have to live under an even more severe set of restrictions afterwards.
That’s why we must see the evidence, the data and the cost benefit analysis – published in full and on time – so that we can assess whether or not the current strategy is working, and make sure we know if we are being asked to vote for something with an end date and which will explicitly save more lives than it costs.
While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered. And what if Keir Starmer sniffs an opportunity and switches to opposing the measures? The new tier system, in which the majority of English citizens have been placed in a higher tier than they were before the four-week lockdown, looks to be a massive own-goal by Boris and is bound to poll badly. Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North who’ve been placed in Tier 3, particularly those that deserted the party for the Conservatives last December.
If Starmer does decide to abandon Boris the CRG will find itself in a strong position in the run-up to next week’s vote. Some realistic demands would be:
- More granular differentiation between tiers, so, for instance, the whole of Kent doesn’t have to be plunged into Tier 3 because there are over 500 cases per 100,000 people in Swale, even though there are only 120/100,000 in Ashford. (See MailOnline for the fury this has unleashed.)
- Meaningful reviews of the tiered restrictions every fortnight, followed by a Parliamentary vote, instead of asking MPs to approve the current arrangements until March of next year and place their faith in Matt Hancock to decide which areas to move in and out of different tiers.
- A proper cost-benefit analysis of the impact of the tiered restrictions so MPs can make an informed choice about whether to support them every two weeks.
- The replacement of Sir Patrick Vallance as Chief Scientific Officer with Prof Sunetra Gupta and Chris Whitty as Chief Medical Officer with Prof Carl Heneghan. Okay, maybe that would be too great a humiliation for the PM, but at the very least Gupta and Heneghan should be invited to join SAGE, alongside Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Clare Craig, Prof Karol Sikora, Dr John Lee, Prof Ellen Townsend, Prof Allyson Pollock and Prof David Livermore.
If the stars align, we might just be looking at a turning point.
Stop Press: According to today’s Times, Boris faces a growing rebellion on his back benches and won’t be able to count on enough support to get his proposed measures through without Starmer’s help.
Tell Your MP How PCR Testing is Fooling the World
Today, Lockdown Sceptics is publishing a brilliant new briefing document for MPs that explains very clearly (with oodles of illuminating graphs) how the fatally flawed PCR test, which was never designed to be used on an industrial scale, has given the false appearance of a deadly autumn epidemic when in fact the underlying signals, such as GP respiratory consultations, hospital admissions and overall deaths, are normal.
It is authored by Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Clare Craig, Jonathan Engler and Christian McNeill, and comes with all their expertise and experience as they set out in clear terms the issues and the evidence.
From the introduction:
Across Europe, including in the UK, we see the following:
1. Daily ‘cases’ sky-rocketed in Europe as Autumn arrived.
2. Daily deaths labelled as ‘Covid deaths’ rose in line with ‘cases’ – to levels apparently higher than at the Spring peak.
3. BUT: Total all-cause mortality does not reflect the above.
What is behind this conundrum?
The central thesis of this paper is that we have a major problem with PCR-testing.
This is distorting policy and creating the illusion that we are in a serious pandemic when in fact we are not.
This is causing:
– Excess deaths due to restricted access to the NHS.
– An NHS staffing crisis which is exacerbating matters.
– Unprecedented assaults on civil liberties and the economy.
What we need to do about this:
– Stop mass-testing using PCR in the UK and replace with Lateral Flow Tests where required.
– Other recommendations as detailed later in this document.
We’ve given it a permanent home on the right-hand side. Find it here.
There is also a PDF version which you can download and this is the best one to use for attaching to an email and sending to your MP. Or you can use a website like Write To Them and include a link to the PDF.
Definitely worth reading in full.
Oxford Vaccine To Undergo Extra Trial
In what appears to be an admission of serious problems that need addressing, AstraZeneca has announced that it will run another trial for the Oxford vaccine. The Telegraph has more.
The drug company behind one of the UK’s leading coronavirus vaccines is set to run an extra trial amid growing questions about the jab’s performance.
On Monday, scientists from Oxford University and AstraZeneca revealed that their vaccine had achieved an overall efficacy rate of 70% in Phase Three trials. However, this rose to 90% in a sub-group, a finding researchers said was “intriguing“.
It was then revealed that this had stemmed from an error when some of those in the study were given just half a dose for the first jab when a full dose had been intended. Those given the intended dose saw efficacy rates of just 62%.
The company has said it will run extra trials to satisfy regulators after US health officials revealed that nobody in the group with 90% efficacy rates was above the age of 55.
Lockdown Sceptics contributor Barry Norris is not impressed by the spin coming out of AstraZeneca as they manage the PR of their disappointing (and botched) trial results.
There’s been no proper scientific release of the data; it’s all just been leaked out selectively and they breached trial protocol over the doses and switching to give the placebo group saline rather than meningitis vaccine, which was the original plan. I also suspect – and this is also true of the mRNA trials – that the antibody response fades from the data presented as we develop antibodies against the vaccine.
Things will start to get very interesting when and if the Astra vaccine is rolled out. People will realise that the vaccine hurts and comes with side effects which in most people will be worse than getting COVID. When people who have taken the vaccine still get COVID (as the response fades) there will be complaints and what if it heightens the risk for otherwise healthy adults through inhibiting the natural response? If it wasn’t for COVID the trial would already have been called a failure.
Astra now saying they will do more trials. Normally this is an admission that the first trial failed and isn’t enough to get the vaccine approved. Coincidentally, this was announced at 4.30pm on Thursday, just after the UK market shuts and with US markets shut for Thanksgiving – and not even a proper press release, again.
They are claiming that this will not affect UK authorisation but I think it will. If they haven’t done enough for the American FDA – of which this is a tacit admission – then are we saying in the UK we have lower safety standards?
Stop Press: A poll has found that almost half of doctors would not take a rushed Covid vaccine. A poll of readers of Medscape UK found that of 308 UK doctors, 4 in 10 would not get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA. Medscape has the details.
Online polling took place 18th-23rd November after the positive Pfizer/BioNTech results but with most responses received before the positive news about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.
Of those who wouldn’t have the jab at this stage:
– 56% cited safety concerns
– 27% would rather wait
– 7% mentioned personal health reasons
– 14% had other reasonsOverall, 59% said vaccination for healthcare staff should not be compulsory. Among those who wouldn’t have the jab at this stage, nine out of 10 were against compulsory staff vaccination.
Are We Over-Counting Excess Deaths?
How many more have died in England and Wales in 2020 than in a normal year? To calculate the number of “excess” deaths, most of us follow the ONS in comparing this year’s figure with the average of the previous five years. But is this a fair representation of how many deaths are above what would be expected? Not when the population is ageing, explains Ross Clark in the Spectator.
Not only is the population of England and Wales growing; it is also ageing. The population of over-70s, for example, has grown over the past decade by an average of 2% a year. Therefore, year on year, we should expect deaths to rise – simply comparing this year’s mortality rate with the five-year average does not give us a like for like picture. A more enlightening view is provided by the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries, which publishes a weekly ‘mortality monitor’ in which it compares this year’s mortality rate with last year’s, adjusting for the change in population profile over the past 12 months.
Its analysis shows that deaths in week 46 were 1,442 — or 13% — higher than they would have been had 2020 had the same mortality rate as last year. Compare it with the standardised mortality rate for the years 2015 to 2019, on the other hand, and excess deaths for week 46 of 2020 fall to 1,388.
By this way of counting 2020 was only running at 6% above average mortality by mid-November (see graph above). Many of those extra deaths are the result of lockdown, not the virus, of course.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: An article in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter published on November 22nd summarised the findings of Genevieve Briand, Assistant Program Director of the Applied Economics Master’s Degree Program at Hopkins. She analysed all-cause mortality in the US in 2020, comparing the data to deaths in previous years, and found, to her surprise, that 2020 was less exceptional than it seemed at first blush.
After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.
Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.
Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
But how is this possible? After all, hasn’t COVID-19 killed over 250,000 Americans this year?
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.
This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
Needless to say, the article no longer appears on the website of the Johns Hopkins Newsletter – far too heretical. But you can read an archived version here. We’ve made a copy in case the enforcers of Covid orthodoxy remove that too. If it’s gone by the time you read this, email us and we’ll send it to you.
Update: AIER have published an analysis of the article here.
Hospitals That Kill
After yesterday’s story about Covid spreading around hospitals, a reader writes to tell us how this happened to people he knew.
How your story yesterday about hospitals not protecting people from Covid rang true. Two days ago our neighbour died at home after coming out of hospital from 15 months’ unsuccessful treatment for leukaemia. Half that time was spent recovering from the stroke caused by the first bout of chemo. The second bout of treatment ended recently when he gave up on it all and was discharged to come home to die. Guess what? He’d also just caught Covid in hospital, having spent months and months in virtual isolation to protect him, after an infected person was brought into the ward so naturally he’ll go down as a Covid statistic. He was 60.
Last week a close friend’s father-in-law died too. He was in his 90s and had acute renal failure. He was whipped into hospital where he tested negative for Covid twice. By the third test he’d caught Covid too after another infected person was brought in and successfully infected everyone in the ward. Of course, he’s gone down as a Covid statistic too.
Now, both these men had terminal conditions and would have died anyway, probably at the time they did. But nothing can alter the fact that we have been suffocated by precautions to protect people like them from Covid only for the health service we are supposed to be protecting actually to allow them and the people in adjacent beds to catch the wretched disease. In this incredible bizarro world we are being exhorted to save the NHS from being crushed by a disease it’s actively spreading.
Covid spreading in hospitals both increases the true Covid death toll and inflates the number of those who die “with Covid”. We need to get much better at separating those with highly infectious disease in the healthcare system.
Dear Deirdre…
A reader has decided to write to Deirdre, the Sun‘s agony aunt, about a relationship that’s gone south.
Dear Deirdre,
I’m starting to suspect that there might be a problem with my relationship. Please tell me I’m not going crazy.
At the start of this year I started going out with a new man, Boris. He was charming and seemed very clever – he’d been to Oxford and could read Latin. He’d “been around the block” a bit, if you know what I mean, and he was a bit overweight. But he was good fun and very decisive. He liked to “get things done”, which was a big appeal.
Anyway, in March he started to change. He went down the pub one evening with his friend, Neil, who’s a bit of a weirdo to be honest, and Neil told him all about this “Chinese bat flu” that was going to wipe out the human race. Neil showed him all this stuff on his phone that he’d got off Wikipedia and he did some calculations on the back of a beer mat showing that the population of the UK would basically be wiped out in six month’s time unless we completely changed our way of life.
When Boris told me about Neil’s predictions I thought he was having a laugh. Sadly not. The next morning he went to the corner shop and bought all the loo roll and Pot Noodles then he insisted that we stay at home completely, no going to work or socialising, and only going out to buy absolute essentials.
He’s a clever guy, so although I had my doubts I assumed he knew what he was talking about, and creepy Neil was good at maths and had once been on Countdown. Anyway, Boris said it only needed to be for three weeks – to “flatten the sombrero” or something (don’t ask me!) so I thought I’d play along, maybe it was a mid-life crisis or something.
Anyway, three weeks came and went, and still Boris wouldn’t let me go out and see anyone or go back to work. I didn’t complain though. It’s hard to explain – he’d spooked me so much I kind of stopped thinking critically about what he was saying. And it wasn’t too bad at first. I was a bit worried about the financial impact of not working, but Boris said he had lots of money in the bank. And it was quite nice to have a bit of time off. We watched Tiger King on Netflix and I bought a lot of stuff off Amazon to take my mind off things.
After several months things got ever so slightly more normal. Boris said that we could go out again and go to the shops and talk to people, but we still had to “stay safe” at all times and stay two metres apart from other people. I could even go back to work for a bit. I kind of played along with it, thinking he was about to lose enthusiasm for the whole bat flu situation. Then, in the middle of summer, out of nowhere he suddenly announced that we had to wear masks whenever we went to the shops! This was when things started to get really weird. He even wanted to wear a mask when we made love, but I drew the line there.
Then he got angry with me one day and said I hadn’t been taking the rules seriously enough. I should say at this point that Neil and these other creepy blokes from the quiz team down the pub, Chris and Pat, were obsessed with this thing called the “R number”. This had something to do with how much bat flu there was going around. Every day they would call Boris up and tell him that the “R number” wasn’t coming down enough and there was too much bat flu, and Boris would go white and say how sorry he was. Then he would take it out on me and give me these long lectures. One day Chris and Pat sent him this really scary chart, showing how we were all going to die again unless we acted straight away. I remember Boris asking if this was a prediction, and for some reason this made them furious, and they kept screaming over and over “it’s a projection!”, which really confused him.
Boris sat me down and said the “R number” was still too high, and it was all my fault for not following “the rules”. I must have been forgetting about the two metres, or not wearing the mask, or not singing Happy Birthday while I washed my hands or something. He said that he had no choice but to introduce a “Three Tier” system. Tier 1 meant things were bad, Tier 2 meant that they were very bad, and Tier 3 meant that they were catastrophic. We were only allowed to do certain things depending on what Tier we were in. This was the only way we could “save Christmas”. I asked if there could ever be anything lower than Tier 1 and he just shook his head and said that was obviously impossible. He called up Chris and Pat and they said that we could start off in Tier 2. This meant I had to wear a mask even when I was driving in my car and no-one else was around.
We went on like this for a while, until one day Chris and Pat called Boris and gave him a stern talking to. Another “projection” – the R number was going to get high again! Boris then started shouting at me, and accused me of having taken my mask off in Lidl. It was back to “lockdown”. This meant no meeting anyone at all, no going to work, nothing. This went on for a month. I started getting very anxious and worried about everything. Plus I had a really nasty shock one day when I happened to see Boris’s credit card statement. He was tens of thousands of pounds in debt! I started crying and shaking and having some very dark thoughts.
I think Boris realised how upset I was and he sat me down and said he knew that it was tough but it was all for my own good. He didn’t like locking me up like this but I had given him no choice. Then his tone changed and he said that there was some good news – the “lockdown” would end in December! I was overjoyed, until he revealed that the “lockdown” would be replaced by the return of the “Tiers”. Only this time it was even more serious. I could forget about Tier 1. It was just Tier 2 or 3 from now on. To be honest, I couldn’t even understand what the difference between these Tiers was. It was something to do with eating a “substantial meal” and “the rule of 6” – total gibberish, really. Boris did say that we could have five days off “the rules” at Christmas so that I could see my mum, but we would have to sit two metres apart with the windows open and not use the same serving spoons.
I asked him if the more serious “Tier system” meant that the bat flu had got worse. And here’s the weird thing – he said that there was actually less bat flu than before. This made no sense, and I tried to get him to explain, but he started muttering “hands face space” over and over again and talking about the toot of the distant bugle. I used to find that stuff quite charming but to be honest it’s got really annoying and I’m not convinced that he’s in his right mind.
I just don’t know when all of this is going to end. It’s unbearable – the bizarre rules that change every second of the day, the uncertainty, the endless control over my every action, the lack of freedom, the fear and anxiety. I think the mask is starting to make me ill. I just can’t see any hope for the future.
And here’s the thing. I’ve got a friend who works in a hospital. She says that the bat flu was actually real, and it was quite nasty, but it wasn’t anything particularly out of the ordinary. They coped with it without much difficulty and it seems to be going away now. They are having a pretty normal winter in her hospital – certainly no busier than usual. So why the Tiers and the masks and the rwo metres and the massive credit card bill? It doesn’t make any sense to me any more.
I’m at the end of my tether. What should I do?
Yous sincerely,
Anonymous
He hasn’t yet received a reply, but he imagines it might go something like this.
Dear Anonymous,
You asked me what you should do. I’ll tell you. Pack your bags and leave this man, right now. This is not normal behaviour.
The constant control, the limiting of your freedoms, the psychological manipulation, the false hope, the small rewards for good behaviour, the forced financial dependency – these are all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship.
Perhaps he can’t help himself. He seems to be a deeply deluded man. He probably wants this to end as much as you do.
This is not your fault. But it needs to stop – now.
Round-Up
- “Majority of public sector workers to be given pay rise, Rishi Sunak announces” – So much for a public sector pay freeze, in the Telegraph
- “We need a dose of vaccine realism” – Characteristically witty piece from Lionel Shriver in the Spectator
- “The Government is throwing the hospitality sector under the bus on the strength of a back-of-an-envelope calculation” – Ross Clark in the Telegraph wonders why the hospitality sector has become the whipping boy
- “Manufacturing error clouds Oxford’s COVID-19 vaccine study results” – More on the woes of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the Telegraph
- “We don’t have to listen to the BBC any more” – Jeremy Paxman in the Telegraph lays into his old employer while promoting his new podcast, “The Lock In”. He’s already done great interviews with Lord Sumption and Professor Sunetra Gupta (clearly a sceptic)
- “Ofcom is right – the BBC’s shameful ‘yoof’ obsession is repelling viewers with brains” – Simon Heffer in the Telegraph joins in the Auntie-bashing
- “Eton College dismisses teacher amid free speech row prompted by lecture on masculinity” – Appalling story of a teacher sacked from the elite boys’ school for daring to challenge the radical feminist view that there’s something fundamentally toxic about masculinity. Eton has gone woke
- “North East Covid cases continue to fall as expert says tougher tiers ‘hard to justify’” – Chronicle Live go to Prof Carl Heneghan for some sense amid the chaotic tyranny
- “The Lasting Consequences of Lockdowns” – Ethan Yang on the AIER blog on the long-term dangers of 2020’s lockdown obsession
- “Has lockdown affected your mental health?” – King’s College London seeks volunteers for an online study of personality and mental health in the COVID-19 pandemic. “Personality profile for all and £10 expenses if you complete the follow-up.” Study code: 57894876
- “It makes sense. Warmer winter, less flu deaths. More of the most susceptible people living so next epidemic worse.” – Insightful tweet from Michael Levitt on the “dry tinder” idea, responding to “IFI44L”: “Across the globe as a whole, winter 2019 was the second hottest on record for the planet’s surface… ‘analysis of US influenza between 1997-98 to present indicates that warm winters tend to be followed by severe epidemics…'”
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “I wasn’t born to follow” by The Byrds, “Living in hope” by The Rutles and “I Think I’m Gonna Kill Myself” by Elton John.
Stop Press: “Safetyland“, the latest tune from lockdown sceptic rockers MediaBear, is out now.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, McDonald’s has been accused of the weird woke crime of “cultural appropriation” because it introduced a sandwich based on a Jamaican recipe. The Mail has the story.
Fast food giant McDonald’s has been accused of “cultural appropriation at its finest” over one of its new Christmas menu items.
The chain announced a new Jerk Chicken Sandwich for its festive menu, which also features a double Big Mac and a Celebrations McFlurry. But it is the Jerk Chicken Sandwich which has caused the biggest stir – and not all for the right reasons. While some have taken to social media to praise the burger, others have hit out at McDonald’s accusing them of “cultural appropriation”.
Cultural appropriation is the adoption of an element or elements of one culture or identity by members of another culture or identity. It is particularly controversial when members of a dominant culture appropriate from disadvantaged minority cultures.
Jerk chicken originates from Jamaica and is believed by historians to come from indigenous Taino people and Maroons – descendants of Africans who were enslaved in the Caribbean islands.
One person tweeted: “The more I think about it the more I’m bothered by the McDonald’s ‘jerk chicken’ attempt. It shows me one of two things: 1) They don’t care to respect the culture or 2) They have zero diversity on their team.”
Another said: “Jerk Chicken Sandwich, yet there is not one McDonald’s in Jamaica.”
One person tweeted: “Who approved McDonald’s Jerk Chicken Sandwich?”
Another added: “Disrespect to the fullest. McDonald’s slapped a dead sauce on top of a crispy chicken and called it Jerk Chicken Sandwich, unreal.”
By this twisted logic there should surely be a ban on the sale of all Jamaican jerk products to non-Jamaicans, and on all non-Jamaicans enjoying them.
Stop Press: FSU Legal Advisory Council member Andrew Tettenborn has written in CapX on the Universities UK Critical Race Theory capitulation that we flagged up in yesterday’s Woke G.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.
Albert Camus
We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
Carl Sagan
Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
Marcus Aurelius
Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt the Younger
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
In his Spectator column this week, Toby lets on about the unusual sleeping arrangements that writing Lockdown Sceptics – and having the house rewired – have created in his home.
I’ve moved out of my home. No, Caroline and I haven’t broken up. It’s just that we’re having the house rewired, which means we have to be out of our bedroom by 8am Ordinarily, that wouldn’t matter but about eight months ago I started a blog about lockdown and I’m usually up until 4am working on it. We have almost 7,000 subscribers to our daily newsletter and I want it to be waiting for them when they wake up. And superhuman though I am, I can’t survive on four hours’ sleep a night.
I haven’t gone very far. I’ve stuck a blow-up mattress in the garden shed that doubles as my office. But, weirdly, the children seem to think this is a prelude to divorce. Given how many of their friends’ parents have separated — the divorce rate in England and Wales is 42% — they’ve become experts in the telltale signs, and apparently Mum and Dad sleeping in different bedrooms is one of them. My efforts to reassure them have been in vain. Earlier this week, I explained to 13-year-old Freddie that it was only a temporary measure, but he just stared at me anxiously. “Don’t you and Mum love each other any more?” he asked.
And it’s not just the kids.
Even my mother-in-law has become a bit suspicious. She came to lunch last Saturday – she’s in our support bubble – and because she’s an expert on everything to do with home improvement I asked her if she thought it would be possible to add an extension to my shed and get a lavatory plumbed in. The idea would be to create a separate bedroom with an en suite bathroom. “That way, we could Airbnb it,” I said, rather unconvincingly. She arched her eyebrows and adopted an ironic tone: “I thought it was supposed to be a man cave, not a self-contained flat?”
Needless to say, Caroline has no objections to my sleeping in the shed – she says she sleeps better because I don’t disturb her when I come to bed in the middle of the night – but is slightly irritated that after supper, when the children are refusing to do their homework or are fighting with each other, I just slip out of the back door clutching a bottle of wine and a bowl of nuts. In the past, Caroline has complained that I’m more like a fifth child than a parent, but at least I would occasionally play the role of a more experienced older sibling – helping the others with their ties, walking them to the bus stop, telling them what to do if they got into a fight: “Hit first, hit hard and hit often.” But now I’ve been transformed into a kind of lodger. I smile at the children across the kitchen table, flirt with their mother a little and then retire to my room for the evening.
So now we know the secret of how Lockdown Sceptics gets published at 4am each morning.
Worth reading in full – very funny.
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I struggle during the dark nights of November and this year is worse than usual. However, the Dear Deirdre” piece has really given me a good laugh. Well done the writer and many thanks to Toby and the team for the latest edition of this invaluable resource.
Dear Anonymous.
You are clearly a victim of Coercive Control, sadly our Criminal Court system is more or less at a standstill so my best advice is that you take out a Civi Action against this ‘Boris’. Threaten him where it hurts, in his wallet.
All the best
Deirdre.
Unfortunately the civil courts are at a standstill as well.
When are we getting the Dolan judgment?
First article above:
Lockdown sceptics (well, me anyway) want the whole damn scam stopped! They don’t want more fake government figures!
Fraser Nelson is a total knob!
Steve Baker sort of on the case.
Agreed, we don’t want fiddling around with tiers to tackle phoney corony. We want lockdown stopped now and its perpetrators arrested.
Phoney corony – another good one!
Definitely; me too.
Thanks Annie, feel free to use
and anyone else
I don’t trust Steve Baker. I smell a rat with the Covid Recovery Group too. It exists to offer false hope to a population that’s being unjustly crushed by tyranny. Very cruel
Yes I agree. Basically they all know if they shout too loud they could lose their jobs. Mind you still a million times better than that buttwipe starmer.
Used buttwipe.
It’s amazing what counts as self-protection, though. Sure, by limiting their protest they get to keep their pathetic jobs and expense fiddles, but what use is a job as an MP in the context of a Mad Max landscape and a population that’s as mad as hell? Boris and his family may have been promised a place in the secure compound, but the weedy back benchers? I don’t think so.
If there are actually 100 of them, then Johnson no longer has a majority. If so, the boot is on the other foot now. And hopefully on BJ’s neck soon.
I’ll be using “phoney corony”, thanks for the smile.
Feel free
He is part of the elite that we need to get rid of
We all want that but you don’t cure someone of OCD by covering them in pig shit. Baby steps….
Baby steps will lead to them killing us all. We need giant steps if we are to save mankind.
Huge strategic error from Will Jones to be suggesting that MPs positively call for what amount to tweaks of the present system. It sets up exactly the same trap that is highlighted above: Bojo can tweak a bit and claim to be doing exactly what Lockdown Sceptics want.
I know ‘compromise’ looks reasonable, but in this case it is contrary to reason. All it would achieve would be to weaken the the sceptic position politically, such that Bojo could spin lockdown out indefinitely while claiming to be ‘listening,’ and destroy the clarity of our message. Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds – we should not assist in distracting people from our own clear message.
The imposition of tiers 2 and 3 is simply so that bozo can slowly release parts of the country bit by bit so allowing himself to appear benevolent.
Wont work bozo since it’s transparently obvious.
“Lockdown is a disaster that has no justification on any grounds.” ABSOLUTELY. I have to go one step further. Lockdowns are FATAL to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Lockdowns are promoted by the most disgusting elitist attitude – “what’s so hard about staying home” – for children, it is an abuse of their fundamental human rights to play and receive an education – for the elderly it means isolation and loneliness – for the sick it means no access to health care – for the working classes, especially casual “zero hours contract” workers it means NO INCOME. For the undocumented it further means abject poverty as they have no support at all – for those prone to anxiety and depression it means a good hard shove towards suicide. Lockdowns are fine for wealthy happy families with big houses and big gardens and Netflix accounts and Ocado accounts. For the rest of the population Lockdowns are CRIMINALLY ABUSIVE. You need no statistics, no data, no reports to know this… just a little compassion, a conscience and common sense! I’m so upset today.
Totally agree. Poverty kills, it’s just harder to quantify and much easier for the government to shove (questionable) daily death figures for covid down our throats.
Just saw an interview on talk radio where a publican is talking about getting closed down. So sad, don’t know why all shops and pubs dont just defy this order. We are now a police state.
Agreed.I think all pubs,be they part of a big chain or a small independent,need to get together in their own towns and cities and make a pact to open up.Defy any fines imposed and take the fight to the government.As things stand most are going under before long anyway so what’s to lose?
I’ve been saying that for months. JUST DON’T COMPLY, ALL OF YOU, AND THIS WILL GO AWAY QUICKLY! No masks, no distancing, no arrows on the floor, no visitor restrictions, no pub closures. DO IT
i’m meeting more fellow sceptics . tiny fraction of the population but so far about 15. and some go to store wihtout a mask .ive been braving that too more and more the rare times go to a store today the post office was only one not weairnga mask was just to go in put letters in the mailbox chute but i did it . we must !
For all of the above I simply cannot understand why the Labour Party is so tamely nodding this through Parliament with just a few Tories threatening to rebel plus some others out of trying to appease their constituents.
Because they’re All In This Together!
See my latest comment. It’s in a Labour constituency. If they don’t end this we must go after the PLP for sanctioning child abuse.
Yesterday I came closer to suicide than ever before. I left a a toxic home because I was suicidal and 6 months later the government started to treat me as I’d been treated at home. Individual people and their personal struggles are not seen. It reminds me of Scrooge’s suggestion that reducing the ‘surplus population’ was a commendable objective. Does Boris even care about the suicide figures?
Tracy, this shit-show will be over soon. Boris is insane, the government are totally corrupt to the core, all they have is lies and fear and coercion.
This horror show has been going on for 8 months too long. It should never have started. We all know this.
The sheeple are starting to realise this. It has taken them long enough but then they have been driven a special kind of crazy due to the above lies, fear and coercion.
People are really really hurting now and yes it will might well get worse but hopefully not for very much longer.
The cracks in the dam from 3 months ago are now gushing holes. They are opening the flood gates to relieve the pressure here and there at the top of the dam but they know the foundations are getting rapidly washed away.
They just can’t keep this clown-show up for very much longer.
Hopefully.
No he does not, but we do. Please hang in there. It will pass
Boris only cares about Boris.
Tracy, I watched a dear friend lose her battle against depression and take her own life. Please don’t do it! Humanity needs people like you, people who care, people like us who have SURVIVED abuse, who have refused to submit to the horrors of a toxic environment. Wow, you are SO brave for leaving it. Keep writing on this forum. You are supported and cared for here. Keep validating your feelings. Your life matters. You are loved.
What a wonderful response! Thank God for this website and the people who post here.
Boris cares about no one but himself. He’s a sociopathic moron.
Boris doesn’t care about anything except Boris.
Tracy, you escaped one toxic situation with your reason intact. Stand in your strong place and don’t give way to the Fascist bullies.We are for Life here. Life always has something good to offer, even when you can’t see it. Believe me, it’s there.
None of TPTB care but many of us do and that’s why we’re lockdown sceptics. I know how you feel and can sympathise. Please stay strong.
TPTB??
Does Boris, or any other minister, care about anything other than their political career?!
What a lovely response! One that is fully seconded in this household.
Tracy, do not let these no marks get you into this state, all things must pass, even this madness..
Tracey, so sorry you feel awful. So do I. Thank you for your comment – it helped me. I’m waking up with heavy depression and thoughts about my upbringing – then I beat myself up about it. But now I see why: there are so many parallels.
Hi Twig and Tracy. Same here but by the sound of it I’m older than you. I’ve made it through all these years and so I’m going to make it through this. We recognise exactly what they are doing. Abusing the entire population. I’ve had too much of that already. You’ve come to the right place here and please carry on talking. You’ll find new friends and realise just how strong you actually are.
Well said
Agree. Lockdowns were justified on the rstionsl this was an unknown virus and could kill hundreds of thousands. We now know the nature of the beast, and it is far from the picture of devastation predicted, therefore there is no basis, even under the health act to justify any imposition of restrictions. All should be cancelled, testing stopped on asymptomatic, and people advised, not coerced, just to take sensible precautions.
By misusing the 1984 Public Health Act the claque of four have been acting unlawfully throughout and must be brought to justice.
Like the Gang of Four in China 40 years ago.
They were executed, if I remember correctly… Come to think of it, that option has much to commend it.
They weren’t executed, just life sentences. 2 of them were even released after a couple of decades. Which would clearly be too lenient for this current lot.
Forgive me, but LDs were never, ever justified! This is only about governments hanging on to power. I am ugly enough and old enough (69) to have learned that governments do not do and never ever have done saving lives, hence save the NHS was their primary aim because its failure would spell oblivion for any political party.
Yes, but it was a GREAT BIG LIE from the very beginning. Justifying lies is what governments do best.
Yes! I’ve been worried about the fact that they’re all nitpicking about details and missing the point completely.
I’m concerned that when the vote comes it will be “Do you want lockdown, or more lockdown?
The only sensible approach is for the total end of all lockdowns, tiers and all other Covid nonsense. Johnson Hancock and Gove will have to go and straight to jail, in short order. These vicious and corrupt morons have been lured into a glaringly obvious global scam over something that has all the severity of a seasonal flu. Their ill considered actions have led directly to the loss of tens of thousands of lives of our fellow citizens, with many thousands more deaths still to come. This unholy trio have blighted the lives of millions of others and retribution should be swift and harsh.
Agreed re Will Jones. He needs to remember he’s going up against a thug armed with a Glock 9mm. Piddling with your water pistol just won’t cut it!
Yes and why is no journo saying, hang on we have just spent a month in lockdown, what were the results. If it has done basically nothing and we are having to put cities into tier 3, why do we think this is working?
Yup, Bristol was tier 1 when went into lockdown, tier3 now. So that worked then . . .
. . . when we went (bloody prdactif toxt). . .
No point in looking for logic, or worrying about what tier should apply to particular areas. Covid is an out and out fraud and all restrictions are for nasty political reasons. Resist by never wearing masks, refusing tests and shunning the vaccines as if your life depended on it, which of course it will.
I completely agree with you!
Absolutely right! I couldn’t believe what I was reading and thought I’d strayed onto the wrong site for a moment. Why is Will Jones buying in to the idea that tinkering with the ‘tiers’ would be any improvement?
The ‘rebellion’ will be nothing but a damp squib. Will is probably right, though, that since Sir Trilateral Knee-Taker wants to criminalise people like us, it’s a knocking bet that, if Labour opposed ‘tiers’ it would only be by calling for a national lockdown.
‘Tiers’ are lockdown – in fact we have never really come out of it. The whole thing must be scrapped now while there is still a faint chance of salvaging something out of the wreckage.
Please make no mistake, the government really has declared war on us. This is not ‘Boris’ appeasing parts of the country. There is a plan, believe it or not, and these puppets are following it. Non-compliance is the only answer, If there are cracks appearing, lets get them widened! MW
p.s. A deluded old idiot has just walked past (in the distance) in a face-nappy. He is nowhere near anything or anybody and this is in the countryside. ‘A relatively rare sight here but very sad to see.
Haven’t read it yet, but the headline is promising!
Whatever you do you will be punished further
If you follow all the rules more punishments will be heaped upon you
This time next year they will be dragging you, your children, and your grandchildren into the street and executing them
You may not have many chances to fight back left
Yes, as Dave Cullen (Computing Forever on Youtube, for now) says, appeasing narcissists never works – they just demand more. I would add, ditto bullies. MW
So true!
My Statistics lecturer at uni used to say that you don’t always need to look at the data behind a graph to see what’s going on; sometimes just the shape of the graph says enough and, often, so much more.
Here’s an image showing ‘side by side’ (as it were) the graphs of “Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death” for all 9 NHS regions in England. The image is made from actual snapshots of the graph from each region’s page. They’ve been shrunk in size to fit the image and only the axes labels have been removed.
All of the graphs cover the full period of the ‘Pandemic’.
None of the axes in each graph is labelled, because the raw data does not matter, only the shape of the graph does. The idea is to compare each region with others without numbers getting in the way.
Other than one thing, I’m not going to make any comments on what I think the graphs say; I’ll let you guys decide what they tell you.
The one comment I will make is: Look at London Region!
Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Clearly the streets of London must be paved with grannies in a post-life situation.
A graphic illustration of Herd Immunity.
Possibly, though as I said yesterday
“Herd immunity is something of a red herring in my view, if people interpret it to mean that the disease disappears. From what I understand most respiratory viruses come and go seasonally; their impact is mitigated by prior exposure, but they never go away completely.
The problem with betting on herd immunity is twofold I think:
1) People think you mean “cases” and deaths will go to zero
2) Talking about it implies that it is necessary to achieve it, which it isn’t really. It simply isn’t dangerous enough to warrant the pursuit of elimination at all costs, by whatever means.”
I think it best to look at all-cause mortality. The covid deaths numbers are not very useful in themselves. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London, or that more people susceptible in London died in the summer.
“. The graphs show there is less covid circulating in London,”
I would say:
“The graphs show that there are fewer people in London producing a positive PCR test”
Good point!
I agree with you Julian and take great care to avoid talking about Herd Immunity away from this forum because it just closes off the discussion. That said, between people who understand that Herd immunity is seasonal and NPI dependent, I think it is fair to call a spade a spade: London has achieved herd immunity and many other parts of urban Britain are close to herd immunity.
Yes, that’s quite possible and a good summary
Good little discussion; thanks, Julian and Will.
One of the things that made me want to do this graphic was to really see if I could figure where the upsurge due to come to London was; I can’t.
When ‘cases’ started to rise in the North at the beginning of September, ‘experts’, including the Gruesome Twosome and the doomsters from Imperial, said it would hit London and the South East in 2 weeks.
Twelve weeks on, I’m still waiting. They never tell us why it’s not happened.
The Expert on Jeremy Vines show yesterday said the reason for Londons low figures was ‘because frontline workers had achieved Herd Immunity’.
First time I’ve heard them use the phrase positively since March.
Have we turned the first corner?
Time to mix some metaphors!
Today’s editorial indicates that the green shoots of realism may be emerging from behind the curtain.
Can we dare to hope that the lights may soon be going on all over the UK and we will be getting the ship back on the road?
There is still a long road to travel before we reach the light at the end of the tunnel under whose beam the fat lady will be singing.
Seriously, I think that today’s editorial provides some limited optimism to believe that there may be change in the air.
Dunno, could be a white kipper
Definitely something Rishi.
Ishy, wishy, lets get Rishi
Nay, we must spare Rishi. He’s worth his weight in gold. At least I hope so. He’ll damn well need to be.
They were saying that about the Pig Dictator a year ago
I didn’t mean I really admire Fishi Rishi. I just hope he’s got lots and lots of gold.
Research Thélème Partners. Thelema (its motto: “Do What You Will” is also that of the hedge fund) is a satanic philosophy developed by Aleister Crowley, one of the most evil and depraved men ever to have drawn breath.
He got the slogan from Rabelais. But Rabelais said it applied only to people who were so naturally virtuous that they would never want to do anything bad.
But Rabelais had his tongue firmly in his cheek.
lol!
Irony obviously.
He only has fools’ gold.
He’s a snake, Don’t ever doubt it.
Well there’s definitely something fishy cooking the goose
Dear Deidre
You are right I should leave him
I feel so foolish, all the life and confidence has been sucked out of me. I know I must leave
He has now changed all the locks, locked me in and I can’t get out of the house
He sends over a guy called Mandy to watch over me when he’s out. Mandy is really, really weird
I rang the police. Someone called Mrs Watercress rang back and said I should be ashamed of myself and I deserved everything I had coming.
I wrote to my MP but I never get a reply
I contacted the Courts, but they are on holiday until 2025
I feel I might snap and do something foolish
Yours in hope
Niatirb Taerg
Every politician and organisation in Aus are congratulating us in Victoria for ‘zero covid’. Feel a burning fury whenever I see those posts.
You have been zero covid for a year
Zero lots of things, actually.
They would congratulate a corpse for having achieved Zero Life.
I’ve had to stop looking at any media related to Australia. It’s too depressing. I’ve faced officious authorities in Australia and they are terrifying. To think of those poor people locked up in tower blocks, unable to get a breath of fresh air because they were surrounded by police was horrifying. I’ve also witnessed the ignorance of racist Australians. I’ve had those arguments and have seen, first hand, how susceptible to brain washing they are. And how cruel they can be. I love Australia. I’ve had so many wonderful experiences there are met good people. The insane and barbaric way in which the authorities have abused the entire population is unforgivable. Australian hubris is the worst. Even worse than British. They will NEVER back down from this grotesque position of “We beat the virus by having the toughest lockdown.” My heart is broken. I know I’ll never go there again. They will be the first country to impose vaccination as a condition of entry. They don’t care if it’s an unsafe vaccine for a virus that no longer exists (because it’s mutated into the next cold virus). They just LOVE power. Condolences to you. Keep up the good fight. Watch the Stacey Rudin video. It will give you strength!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDsjHZHsGc
I shall never go there either. It would be like spending a holiday in Auschwitz.
The problem with Oz is not so much that we sent our criminals there but that we also sent prison officers…
Ironically, we sent political dissidents there.
Their gene pool must have died out.
We spent about a month in Australia back in late 2006/early 2007. Can’t remember exactly, but I know it was shortly after Steve Irwin died because we had planned to spend a couple of days at his zoo in Queensland – one of the primary reasons for our visit, along with meeting up with Brit immigrant mates (I refuse to call them ex-pats) who had emigrated a few years previously, and “doing” Sydney (a horrendous dump by the way – AVOID!).
I was under no illusions about the PC-poofery which Oz had been bewitched by in the preceding 20 years, and when the immigration officer at Sydney did the usual bullshit “small talk” routine with me he said I “didn’t look that happy to be here, mate”, to which I replied I wasn’t here by choice and considered the place to be a sterile, Nanny-state bore-fest which I didn’t really like much, and couldn’t wait to get home.
His attitude changed a bit then. Not so friendly. Still, at least he didn’t send me for a cavity search. A sarcastic “Try and enjoy yourself anyway, mate” as he waved me on was all I got …. he got a mega eye-roll and an “I’ll really TRY” right back.
My main “take away” from that holiday was one of a nation intent on destroying itself through over-development at the expense of its beautiful natural habitat and one which was increasingly seeking to nestle ever more cosily alongside Uncle Sam’s haemorrhoids.
Steve Irwin’s zoo was pretty damn good, though, as were the beaches on the Sunshine Coast – and Fraser Island was absolutely incredible!
The Mad Max/Crocodile dundee Australia of the 80’s looked cool.
Then Neighbours and Home and Away came along.
Australia re-imagined it’s self into a horrible authoritarian dictatorship and all the citizens were transformed into soap opera characters, who lived in a world that was like being perpetually in school and a generation grew up under the guidance of organised social engineering. All of them carbon cut-outs of Charlene and Scott and Alf Stewart.
Australia have been at the helm of repressive law making for a long time. Plain packaging on cigarettes, compulsory cycle helmets, strict border controls and bio-security paranoia.
Australia is also a mammoth flight away and 18 hours on a plane makes me cringe.
I am not too bothered about going unless things radically change there.
I quite agree. 20 years ago now and three years into the first Blair government I find it hard to believe that we considered emigrating to Oz or NZ because at that time they still looked like bastions of freedom and liberty.
Then as you say they started bringing in anti-smoking laws and other repressive public health measures and suddenly those countries didn’t look as attractive.
I am so glad that we never finalised the decision to emigrate.
I live here and I’ve been trying to avoid Aus media for months.
Sky is pretty good.
Could they form a bubble with New Zealand?
Oooh I don’t think NZ would want that!
Someone might end up actually “going” there again!
What then?
As a fellow Australian I share your rage – in spades.
Nope. Just wait for the vaccine. ‘Covid safe’ procedures everywhere of course. After the Danish mask study came out, we no longer have to wear masks outdoors.
What?! Is that real? Australia stopped the mask mandate on base of the Danish study?! That’s fantastic. It’s been all but buried in the UK.
I’ve barely been following Aus news so I don’t know the Danish study was covered much. I read one Aus scientist who referenced the study. We still have to wear the wretched things indoors.
One of endless vaccines tied to immunity passports. The end of freedom
A winter cold that goes away in summer.
The seasonality was obvious from day dot but they ‘just don’t know’.
It was said here at LS numerous times as far back as May that covid would make a normal seasonal return this autumn or winter and that it would be labelled Second wave.
Yes. It will decline in March/April although perhaps not entirely disappear. Politicians will probably take credit, when in reality it is just the nature of the beast.
Mike Yeadon maintains that viruses never “second wave.” He further maintains that the so-called second wave of Spanish Flu was likely another agent. Adds that there is a growing consensus on the matter.
It’s a huge lie
Zero Covid = loss of liberty, depression, anxiety, poverty, suicide
It seems like most politicians are corrupt
Sacked? Jailed.
No (half) measures! However, mild and moderate sceptics may wish to refrain from reading further than the end of your original comment.
You’re right – sacking / jailing is not enough. The people who advocated this outrageous and deeply damaging ‘cure’ for a relatively mild disease are guilty of horrendous crimes against humanity. Thousands have died needlessly in the UK and many more will follow due to people not being able to get needed medical treatment during lockdowns. Many innocents have had their lives ruined by these insane diktats by the lunatics in charge, and there needs to be a reckoning. The politicians and ‘scientists’ making these decisions, in full knowledge of the devastating effects, are guilty of murder. Let’s call it what it is.
https://www.corbettreport.com/lockdowns/
The mainstream media too, has been appalling
Arguably, this above else. If politicians ought to be jailed, the media ought to be horse-whipped, then jailed.
The ultimate blame rests with our corrupt government who have colluded with a globalist cabal, headed up by the depopulation by vaccination supremo, Bill Gates.
Don’t forget Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum and his Great Reset!!
How about our traditional punishment of hung,drawn and quartered.
Messy, but effective.
Messy? Well, there will be lots of unused PPE lying around. No good for a virus perhaps, but surely good enough for splashback.
Messy and appropriate.
…and truly excellent for the purpose of “encouraging the others”.
Heads! Spikes! Walls! It’s the only way
Hanging is too good for them. As is Madame Guillotine.
A modern method is required.
Death by vaccine. Or better yet, a slow lingering crippling death from transverse myelitis
death by a thousand vaccines
Just do everything that they have been doing to us. See how they like it. In the Tower, self-isolating, no visits, no drinking, smoking, exercise, daily briefings from the Guardian and the BBC on 24 hours a day, etc. Drive them mad.
One dose will probably do it.
Yes indeed, that is exactly what they’ve been planning for the rest of us.
We should reopen Tower Hill for that.
Or Tyburn?
Can’t real reopen Tyburn as there is Marble Arch there now…but it could work..A quick hanging and some shopping on Oxford street.The golden 16 hundreds!
Government bodies hanging from marble Arch, sounds good.
Maybe a severe beating with a roll of barbed wire then drowning in a bucket of battery acid?
I’m all for throwing those criminals into the nearest active volcano
And all their assets seized.
Northumberland Nomad has been pulled up before for going soft on those who are carrying what is probably the biggest fraud in world history. Clearly some of the people “in authority” are guilty of mass murder and treason. The punishments must reflect the extreme nature of their crimes.
You will of course remember that the foul and disgusting Blair removed the last remaining death penalty (for treason) just before leaving office.
In days to be, there will be a blue plaque on that lonely shed, to commemorate the devoted self-sacrifice of a champion Sceptic.
We will all gather in a closely packed, bare-faced crowd to witness the unveiling, and give three loud cheers before adjourning to the nearest (surviving) pub.
A composting toilet? I recommend the book Humanure!
Let’s all donate sheets of bog paper until Toby is on a roll.
Single? Twin? Chuck Norris? What type? Embossed with puppies?
Groan!
I posted this here back in about May:
Apparently he writes it all in the shed at the bottom of his garden, rarely stepping out into the sunlight. In a few decades’ time someone will put one of those plaques on the decaying timbers, saying something along the lines of: ‘From this humble shed, in 2020, Toby Young, ran his anti-lockdown website, and kept the flames of liberty and free-thinking alive when all seemed lost.’
People will come from around the world to visit, as a sort of pilgrimage. Appeals will be set up to maintain and to restore the hallowed structure to its former glory – sort of mini Chartwell, as it were. Books containing each day’s postings will be on sale outside, and probably there’ll be a cafe selling teas and coffees in replica Lockdown Sceptics mugs.
And people will like to think that had they been lockdown, back in 2020, they too would have had the wit and gumption to see through the fraud for what it was, and that they too would have made their stand. The vast majority wouldn’t, of course: they would have followed the herd, like almost everyone else.
One of the adverts above is saying ‘Grab a tissue before you see Petula Clark a almost 90’
Titter ye not
phwooaaar! i’m talkin’ “downtown”!!!
Not sure I can take much more of this madness.
If the story about Genevieve Briand’s findings about the US Covid death rate is correct, this will be one of the biggest cons ever perpetrated by government/medical sources.
It needs to be followed up urgently by someone with stats/mats litercy
What’s the story?
I mean, it’s already obvious to me. The gig was up for me when I watched the press conference given by the Bakersfield doctors in April questioning the lethality of the virus, warning against the destruction to our immune systems by isolation of people, questioning why small stores were forced to close and big corporations allowed to stay open, exposing the fact that doctors and hospitals received additional public funds if they wrote “covid” on the death certificate (which they were allowed to do even if they “suspected” it). After a million views with tens of thousands of upticks, YouTube pulled it. That’s when I got really, really scared. Started digging around in the “Coronavirus Act” and found same things going on here. Criminally lax rules for who could sign a death certificate, encouragement to write “covid” if they suspected it, total indemnity from any medical malpractice. And the most chilling thing, I found, was NOT ONCE in public messaging were people advised to do anything to boost their immunity. Normal things: go outside, mix with others when you are well, have contact with children and domestic pets, take zinc and VitD, eat lots of fresh veg.
To say that this has been a carefully engineered war on the human race is not an exaggeration.
When we get too depressed, I remind my loved ones that we ARE in a war, and that we have to take life a few days or weeks at a time. Do our best to protect ourselves from weapons of war (masks, media, tests, restrictions on movement) and soldier on. No idea how or if we are going to get out of this but we HAVE to stay strong and hopeful. If we give up, “they” have won. “They” being the brainwashed masses – those who seem not to be human anymore, because they eagerly support measures that are totally inhumane. We’ve lost so many dear friends and family members to their midst. But we have to keep going and give fellow “real” human beings our support.
I agree. This is the Great Reset in practice. We can analyse the inconsistencies in the policies and foibles of the politicians all we like, none of this is relevant. It is a staged pandemic to introduce technocracy. All this talk about the government making “own goals” is nonsense- it’s all planned. There won’t be elections worthy of the name in the future, unless they too are staged. There will be staged economic collapse and currency reset next year, the government is already warning of systemic collapse including food shortages- this is all being engineered.
It may already be too late, and certainly looks bleak, but all this hand-wringing about “the data” will achieve nothing in itself unless we wake up to what is really happening to the world.
The fake allies depress me the most. The politicians and the blue ticks who’ve been anti-lockdown for months but who are suddenly promoting the vaccine make me despair. There traitors to humanity
Omg that is the MOST depressing thing! Even more selfish that lockdowners are the “I don’t care about the safety issues, just roll out any vaccine if it means I can go to the Maldives.” Or “Fine, I’ll vaccinate my children if it means we can cross the Scottish border to go to our castle for the summer.” Selfish, abusive and ignorant. Why not just let your children smoke a cigarette each day? They probably stand a better statistical chance of escaping any major health issues than giving them a dubious vaccine.
The worst are the ones that go, “but yellow fever”… argh! What is wrong with people?!
NOT ALL VACCINES ARE EQUAL!
We are talking here about a totally experimental (mRNA) vaccine that has never been approved before, for a virus that was only “discovered” a year ago and is VERY likely gone – in any particularly strong strain – from most populations. There is a REASON that no one has ever discovered an effective coronavirus vaccine before – it’s because they are too short lived. They mutate too quickly. There is no more SARS. There is no more MERS. There will soon be no more SARS-Cov-2. They just need to sell this bullshit vaccine quickly so it LOOKS LIKE it’s effective. Then they can sell it for ever more. The pharma industry is criminally corrupt. Kill now, pay later (or not if you have global indemnity against any damage claims…)!
Big Pharma is a criminal organisation
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-2.3-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Anti-lockdown crusader Anna Brees seems to be controlled opposition
https://twitter.com/LaraCrabb/status/1331893875099754497?s=20
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge Anna Brees. I don’t love everything she says. But she’s a journalist, she’s trying to be balanced. She asks questions. She’s trying not to be biased like most of the MSM. I took the post she “liked” to be sarcastic. I’m seeing a lot of sarcasm on line at the moment. I think it might be a campaign to trick the algorithms so people don’t get shadow banned. If it is, it’s genius. Some bright spark has figured out that AI can’t tell the difference between genuine and sarcastic. Let’s play along, I say.
I don’t trust her. She once tweeted that she didn’t understand why people were leaving negative comments on WEF sites. Lol
She’s a Borg.
Reverse engineer/hack the algorithms.
This is a good example to come back with vs the “Yellow fever” answer. The H1N1 vaccine is probably a good comparison, and look how that ended. even the heavily censored and at time untrhful Wikipedia admits it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes
Woah!! Reading all that information on Pandemrix is horrific. Doesn’t feel real!
Absolutely right. Never, never, never give up. If we soldier on, THEY. can’t win. They are attempting a war of attrition. We will not be attritted!
It is WW3
Yep, WW3 started as soon as WW2 was over, a slow drip of transforming society and making the 1% even richer
I’d say it started well before WW2 with IG Farben, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, among others.
What else do they want to buy?? There won’t be anything left worth having?
The thing is i genuinely dont want any part of world they are creating so to stay in it seems like unnecessary torture.
This is a purely pragmatic feeling not a dramatic one. I am not brave enough to do anything to bring it on, but death will be welcome.
Don’t give up yet! We need you for numbers!!!
The Briand article has been withdrawn:
https://twitter.com/JHUNewsLetter/status/1332100155986882562?s=20
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
See also:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/
This seems to be the webinar that the article was based on…
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3TKJN61aflI
The twitter feed under that pathetic retraction by John Hopkins is blowing up!
More censorship!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/JHUNewsLetter/status/1332100155986882562
Beforeit was censored interesting tu see the comments ofthe article which were very much sceptic about pndemic,rather astonishing if they were John Hpkins alumni below is one comment which I find interesting,a fuly marxist person very much lockdonsceptic
“I would suggest simply looking at the data and making one’s case.
It’s pretty odd for someone like myself, a Marxist, to witness how it is that on “all things Covid” the conservative right-wingers are pretty much accurate with their analysis while the US liberal right-wingers have devolved into outright proto-fascists on “all things Covid.”
I would also avoid using ratemyprofessors as a measure of anything- not quite as sinister as today’s supposedly neutral “fact checking” orgs who receive funding from vested interests- but still utterly useless.
What you are going to find if you look is that year’s overall mortality rate in the US (and in Europe as it is well-documented) will be no different than last years. Both years will show increases right in the same percentile. I track this weekly BTW and have the data on overall US mortality trends since 1950.
There was and is no pandemic. There was a roughly 6 week period in March/April where death rates were high and concentrated in very few locales- pandemics are to be by definition widespread among other things.
Those that perished in that 6 week period were almost exclusively the elderly that were already near to death and most in some form of institutional care setting. Mandated policy changes that occurred in many locales in the West were responsible for these spikes in deaths amongst those elderly not some unique viral event.
BTW the entirety of the US political establishment is right-wing and virtually all of US Academia. Liberals are also right wingers- third way capitalists.”
Definitely exhibits the characteristic tunnel vision of the old left die-hards – thinking that politics is defined entirely by narrow economic issues. That’s how they come up with this delusional fantasy stuff about everyone in power being “right-wing”. They define right-wing as “not agreeing with Marxism about how economics should be run”, and then find that – amazingly – everyone sensible since Marxism-based economics was utterly discredited in the 1970s seems to be “right-wing” – even the zealots seeking to radically change society to build it back better, to conform with some collectivist, internationalist, politically correct ideological fantasy.
The reality is that politics, and the right/left divide that approximates one major spectrum within it, is about everything affecting how life is run in a society. It’s far, far broader than the absurd narrowness of the economics-only vision maniacally gripped by the usually Thatcher-obsessed, Marx-inspired old left.
One way Marxist?
Flatten the cure, protect the NHS, social distance, don you’re masks!! This is going nowhere, this country is now a dictatorial state. The people conformed to the regulations whether they believe or not but yesterday the screw was tightened – the totalitarian tiptoe is now starting to run, only people power will end this tyranny.
No it isn’t, even with a massive majority Johnson cannot piss off over 100 of his MPs. Plus, I have confidence in the judiciary.
I have faith in the judiciary, too, but this government is going to try and push through changes that will change the judiciary’s reach. They also plan to abolish the House of Lords. I feel really frightened by what’s looming down the road.
I highly recommend watching the House of Lords Constitutional Committee hearings. Some of the most powerful people in the country going on record in total condemnation of the government’s actions. Listening to them is reassuring – even if temporary. And at least what they say will be on record forever.
Agreed. I really think they’ve over reached. And Boris’ slip yesterday that suggested Whitty is really in charge won’t have helped the blood pressure of Baker, Swayne et al.
I am hopeful that even if this passes with opposition help, Boris will be shown the door. He can’t command authority over his party and only getting measures through with opposition help is a very bad look.
Yes, that slip of BoJos wa telling.
Watch it here are just after 52min.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000qn92/bbc-news-special-coronavirus-daily-update-26112020
‘We will have a vaccine, Chris has talked me into it’.
Astonishing.
(Perhaps so,done technically more savvy could snip this piece out and send it around as a sound bite ?)
Don’t believe it, it’s almost certainly bullshit to reinforce the ‘following the science’ lie (and we think that the famous photo of Whitty apparently threatening Johnson may have been a fake, too):
The perception, therefore, created and disseminated by the UK media, that there is tension and disagreement between SAGE and the Government — which is depicted as a struggle between the responsible, communitarian, pro-lockdown scientists and the irresponsible, libertarian, anti-lockdown Government — is a pure fiction. This has been carefully constructed to make the public believe that if this group of intellectually independent academics think we should obey Government lockdown restrictions on our freedoms and rights, then we’d better listen to them.
Wikipedia’s claim that members ‘are not generally employed by government’ is an easily-proved lie; and calls by the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition for the Government to ‘listen to SAGE’ is like telling the Treasury to listen to the Department of Health and Social Care. In practice, SAGE is and always has been an arm of the UK Government whose members are paid and instructed to say precisely what they are saying. The delayed publication of its meetings and reports is a public relations stunt intended to present a facade of transparency to a gullible public all too easily impressed by professorships and honours and post-nominal letters, with little understanding of what they mean and how they are earned, and the misguided perception that they guarantee honesty and intellectual integrity. They don’t.
From a long but brilliant article someone linked to yesterday:
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/12/the-betrayal-of-the-clerks-uk-intellectuals-in-the-service-of-the-biosecurity-state/ MW
Excellent!! Totally agree & thank you for posting
But even if the majority of the country realises that something is amiss, it is probably too late. The economic implosion has already been triggered and we are in the Wile E Coyote treading air phase. Martial law and a form of communism are probably the only options now; the only way to avoid a Mad Max scenario being for the state to run everything. Even those ideologically opposed to such a policy are already ensnared in it and will ‘need’ it to happen for their very survival.
I’m not sure I agree. This can be turned around with the right policies but the question is does any existing party have the political will to do so? They have to avoid their unimaginative tendencies to tax their way out of it and to implement crippling green agendas. They must support enterprise and encourage growth.
This is so true. The problem is our side has no visibility. Talk radio get about 20,000 views per programme stuff on youtube by Ivor Cummings gets about 10,000. Even a shitshow like question time on the BBC gets a million. The horror that is GMB with chunky Morgan and that f*cking quack hilary get over a million views. We really need Nigel to start taking Yeardon and Craig and Lee onto prime time tv with his new party. And we really need the uni kids party to take off. It’s their future we are butchering after all.
QT was down to 600,000 last week, its lowest ever.
WOT=Waste Of Time.
According to RT, Portuguese High Court has pissed on PCR test.
The brainwashing is massive. Yesterday I was walking back from town, the pavement on a particular stretch along a main road is narrow, an older woman is walking towards me and as we get closer I see that she is frantically and I mean frantically digging in her pocket to get her mask to put on and then without looking she steps into the carriageway to avoid me. It’s just unbelievable that she thought she was safer to step into a busy main road to avoid me than pass me directly.
Yet again today, to pick up a prescription from the docs, the pharmacy nurse opens the window, I’m stood 3m away and the first she asks is, “Where’s your mask?”. I politely told her, “I don’t have one and besides I’m stood 3m from you”. All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”.
….All the time my inner voice is screaming, “You complete fucking idiot get a fucking grip and stop pissing your pants over a relatively small risk”…..
Oh! How I know how you feel!
LOL!! it really is quite frightening how these muppets behave, I’ve stopped trying to enlighten people now, this far into the scamdemic the brainwashed are too far gone, the majority of them actually deserve what’s coming.
Brilliant update this morning. Thank you.
If you use write to them they note copy paste text will be blocked. A pity we can’t expect the same from them tossers grifting in Westminster
But you won’t win people around by telling them they are stupid, as we saw with Brexit. Encourage people to begin questioning the illogicality of the situation and they might start digging and then they will take ownership of their opinion, which is when they start influencing others. My stupid step sister gave away her wobble yesterday by reacting in the way she always does, when she knows she is in dodgy territory, attacking people. She is sticking her fingers in her ears and stamping her feet because she knows what she is hearing is true.
Yes so true and those circular arguments they throw at you, like killing granny, its young people’s fault, it’s our fault for not obeying the rules. You can just see Boris sitting there rubbing his hands together, yes, yes, let go of your feelings, feed the dark side, love the lockdown.
That’s the one I hear the most; drives me nuts.
Because it’s abusive.
Exactly; the classic line of the abuser blaming the abused for “forcing me to do it”.
As he beats his clenched fists on the table. What a tosser.
A very important point – we will not win by telling people they are stupid. These people are frightened and believe what they are told because of their conformist nature, because of that they will act illogically and panic. We need to try to calm them down and then they will begin to question the situation themselves
Note that the arguments used against us are almost always based on emotion and stocking guilt – kill grandpa etc. or demonising those that speak out against the orthodoxy – not the logic and facts that sensible people use.
The one ad hominem argument which I feel may be effective is one of hypocrisy – e,g, professor pantsdown – this type of behaviour makes people ask questions
All Brexit voters are Far Right worked very well.
I’ve got a (former) friend who does the same. Told me in no uncertain terms to stop emailing her links to various documents, links etc that might cause her to question the codi hysterical rhetoric. That friendship has more or less been destroyed. Fingers in ears as you say.
By their remarks shall ye know them (sadly). We need some politicians to sadlidie; even sadlidying of COVID would be fully acceptable.
“While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered.”
Not a good look for the opposition either, keeping Johnson from losing a vote and by extension in power. It weakens Starmer, who is a man of straw anyway.
He has facilitated and legitimised this shit show. From the care home deaths, closed businesses, cancelled cancer treatment and empty schools. We need to turn the heat up on these cretins.
#Labouriscomplicit
Complicit of crimes against humanity
Yes and a human rights lawyer too. Perhaps the poor working class don’t count as humans?
Accomplices to murder and manslaughter.
I will never vote Labour again. Voted Labour all my life, but never again
Snap
So deaths may have been mislabelled? That was policy and it wasn’t a secret.
What’s worrying is that it took this person over 6 months to figure that out.
There are glimmers of hope- out on the Norfolk Broads yesterday- people ignoring the nonsense- amongst them three couples and their pre school kids all mingled together all laughing as their little ones splashed in the puddles and got covered in mud….so normal…so lovely
Reading todays LS, I suspect between now and the start of 2021 is the time to push back hard, each of us around the world doing our bit to wake up others, so as many people as possible can push the 1%.
If 100 conservative MPs are having doubts, how many members of the public are also thinking something is not right?
We know many people have been completely brain washed, and they are hopelessly lost, but many people have gone along with this farce as they do not want to rock the boat, these are the people we need to work on.
As the red wall wrecks small & medium sized independent businesses, in the north, this is the time of year people are going to feel the financial pain.
Pull together people, lets do this for future generations.
looking forward to the demo in London tomorrow
Liverpool seems to be having regular freedom walks.
I have a Romanian friend who was 16 when they had their revolution. He so much wanted to join in but his Mum made him stay at home. He bitterly regrets it.
People from the former soviet block countries are the ones amongst who who know what we are all going to lose if we do nothing.
Not necessarily marching or protesting, but doing everything we can to inform and educate others, give confidence to them that we all need to act.
The simple act of going about our days doing what we want, when we want, unmasked and breathing good air in a simple act of defiance, imagine if many many people did this.
I agree. Not wearing a mask and having who you want when you want round your house are acts of defiance that can encourage others (never thought I would write something like this)
Well said. My workplace is reopening next week and I shall be ready maskless with a smile on my face.
Yes it’s the reason Peter Hitchins is against open revolt as he has seen the consequences.
He shouldn’t feel bad. I’d have kept my 16 year old at home too. That’s what Mums do. He was too young to join in but that’s not his fault.
16 too young? I used to go up to London for gigs at 14 and even went to Glastonbury festival on my own and at 16 I had a moped and I was offski….I did all kinds of “interesting” things….
Hey Steve, what demo is happening?
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There are certain elements of this scamdemic that cut right across the political and Covid divide; the most obvious being the blatant financial corruption and cronyism. Another, care home deaths and people still being infected in hospitals. These are the areas where Labour should be pressed. ‘Oppose these measures or you are complicit’. Very simple.
Keep fighting the good fight, kh
The ignorance is staggering. I guess that’s what we get for years of education with no real learning and allowing the state to nanny us in so many ways. As an over 60 I avoid my GP as much as possible as I don’t want to start being pushed down the over medicated route. I saw my mother’s medications rise year on year and basically it was a spider to swallow a fly. That’s the medical ignorance and dependence. The financial and economic ignorance is just as damaging. People don’t know the difference between the national debt and the deficit and they actually believe “government money” exists. No, it’s your money they’re spending!
Tell me about that….. It is amazing how many elderly people could have had a great and healthy life if they were not on a handful of prescription drugs that contraindicate with each other.
Let’s End the Prescription Drug Death Epidemic
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/28/prescription-drug-death.aspx
People are not deficient in drugs, they are deficient in nutrients
There is a firm called First Data Bank that GPs are supposed to refer to when combining different medicines for people with multiple conditions.
Well well said!
Watch CNN. Lots of adverts for Drugs. Millions/Billions are being spent on these ads every year.
My ex-friend GP has said that everyone over 50 should take statins. I said to her Why should I take any drug if I am healthy?
Do they get brainwashed at medical school or later?
I then did my research and found out statins have lots of side effects.
Do I take it you will have to serve a substantial meal with your cuppas KH? Sadly so many people are taken in by the nonsense, the sillier it gets the more they believe. My friend Mike I mentioned the other day said, while we were discussing a piece of electronic kit, ‘we can’t get together and do that at the moment but once we have all had our jabs we can’. So without a jab I will be forbidden to enter his house, seriously…
Two things: 1. Uttlesford DC has a palatial HQ. 2. The condition of the roads gets progressively worse as you get near to SW. Tells you all you need to know.
it is same with the big charities . Huge new offices and huge salaries and administrations . if you ever feel charitable go local and small
Actually it is your grandchildrens money being spent, partly on spivs and chances.
I think January, traditionally the most hopeless month of the year, is our best opportunity.
As always kh, you are so right. Too many of my parents’ generation (I am 39) don’t think that the government will come after their money. They are deluded.
So true. Most pensioners with a savings investment will not get any return for years. They will have to live off their capital.
State pensions will not increase. Private pensions might be affected (the stock-market is doing quite well at this stage but only if invested in the right stocks – many big players under stress and /or possible closures).
Taxes will increase – yes many pay tax on their pensions
Well said kh. As we’ve said here before the financial and economic illiteracy among people is staggering. Ditto the faux sympathy and virtue signalling especially if they’re living it up and thinking that all those redundancies, bankruptcies, untreated illnesses and mental health issues won’t affect them.
I’ve told certain people I know that Economic Armageddon is just around the corner and even those living in large homes with gardens and lovely jobs won’t be able to escape that.
That’s what depresses me the most: The fact that any pension and savings that I have built up over 40 years will be decimated by inflation and tax raids to pay for this.
I don’t claim to be any financial or economic wizard but even amongst my peers (largely degree qualified professional people) I find the level of financial ignorance staggering.
I have a friend who is a fellow LS and we have both discussed how inflation, tax raids and fall in value can have bad effects on savings and pensions.
What really annoyed me were former colleagues who had the “I’m alright Jack attitude” and had the nerve to belittle people who were finding it hard to cope with lockdown, couldn’t wear masks and generally had different opinions to theirs. I’m sorry to say this but I won’t be shedding any tears for them if and when inflation and tax raids hit their wealth which means that they can’t go abroad 5-6 times a year now or live the high life. They will have to suck it up and put up with this crap like the rest of us.
I think it’s time to stop pussyfooting around and call a spade a spade in simple direct terms as these people will not understand anything else.
All they worry about is whether can have chocolate sprinkles on their drink – pathetic!
Swedish all cause mortality still below 5 year average
https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/
table 1
But their stress free population, having spent all summer enjoying the sun rather than miserably locked up in flats will have exceptional immune systems. Stress and not being outside enough will cause more deaths than covid in the UK
Sweden’s fallen though. Looks like it’s also under the thumb of the WEF
Yes, there are no hero nations. Only heroic individuals.
Starmer would be foolish to call for a national lockdown. It would be a misjudgement of public mood so I don’t think he will. It’s like asking the arsonist who burned your house down if he will burn the neighbours down too, to make things even.
Starmer is a coward and failed human rights lawyer amongst other things. One cannot expect him to do the right thing….he lacks ability.
We need to turn the heat up on this chump
#Labouriscomplicit
Well, he did, didn’t he? And he eventually got it!
Doubt he will do it again, though.
Since when has Starmer cared about the public mood? He couldn’t read it if it was printed out on paper for him.
All he had to do when this started was to get another side of the story from people like Gupta, Yeadon, Hennigan et al. Build up the evidence against lockdowns and block the government at every turn. He would have sailed in to no 10 at the next election. He would have been seen as the Hero that defeated the Totalitarian Tory government and he’d have gone down in History as a great leader. Unfortunately for us, he’s as thick and spineless as the rest of them and has climbed in to bed with Boris. Another piss weak politician who is just in it for the money and power.
Right on! Another Phony Corona enabler.
Politicians are exempt from lockdown as well testing, face masks etc..
this morning on Talk Radio JHB interviews a guy called Paul Emburey (a trade unionist) about his new book “why the Modern Left hates the working class”. Starmer is just the front for the modern left.
note aswell as an interview with the ridiculous Robert Jenrick she also interviews a doctor who is part of the national screening exercise who takes apart the whole test and trace process
The briefing document for MP’s regarding the PCR tests is really useful but it still contains a lot of words over seven letters long. Redraft anybody
Agree. Also, a lot of these discussions around PCR etc go straight over most people’s heads. Most switch off immediately.
I suggest a simple slogan to get trending #Labouriscomplicit
It can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean.
Thanks for your reply’s. The realisation that MP’s aren’t all that bright has come as a bit of surprise. We could perhaps fall back to simple diagrams using primary colours. Good luck everyone.
I doubt I can be bothered to send that to my MP. I explained the false positives to her in words of one syllable some weeks ago. She didn’t even address the point in her reply. They just are not listening and why should we waste time telling them the same thing over and over? She’s lost my vote forever but she doesn’t care because she thinks there are plenty more. I hope she’s wrong.
Mine the same. I’ve tried the PCR stuff on him; totally tin-eared. “Getting the numbers down” is all that matters. Unfortunately it doesn’t help that my local authority is a so-called “hotspot”.
I’ve sent numerous letters with piles of evidence to my (Labour stooge) MP. Never addresses any of the points, I’ve given up. Thick as shite he is, another career MP. He purports to care about the people of the region of the North East I live in. However, he happily votes for lockdowns every time, helping to destroy his constituents businesses and lives. As long as he get his huge wage packet though, I’m sure that’s all he cares about.
Did it last night (well, about 1 a.m) as the article was here then, under a different title. I am beyond certain it will fly past the target and MP will neither read the message pleading for an end to PCR, nor open the link.
My MP is more interested in car parking and banning sky lanterns – that and side effects caused by micro-chipping cats. I despair; wish I could get to the King’s X demo.
Try this beginning:
As the DHSC cannot give a definitive answer to the questions:
1 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test
2 – how can positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?
I contacted a manufacturer of RT-PCR tests that the UK Government use at present.
In their technical documentation they sent me it states:
Please explain why the RT-PCR test is being used to justify any restrictions.
If you feel impotent and want to DO SOMETHING to stop this madness, why not check out “Back to Normal” We are a rapidly growing grassroots group delivering leaflets to the public outlining an alternative approach to Covid-19.
We have produced a free leaflet which can double as a window or car sticker and is easy to post door to door or hand out in the street (when not in lockdown). This is something every lockdown sceptic can do. Leaflets produced to date number 60,000 already and demand is growing.
It all works through a nationwide network, consisting essentially of ordinary citizens, alone or in groups of friends. We are gaining numbers daily. It’s one that we can do something to roll back the tide of lies and manipulation. Also you have the opportunity to meet likeminded sceptics and find someone sane to talk to!
I am starting to distribute my leaflets today in The Range which is bustling with Christmas shoppers. I’m going to tuck them into the goods on sale, customers can pull them out if curious.
There is also ‘The Light’ newspaper which is looking for distributors.
https://thelightpaper.co.uk/
I’ve put my name forward for both. Awaiting instructions
Like your website. However, it is a pity that you have a yahoo email – yahoo scans all your emails and will then also have a log of everyone that contacted you.
protonmail.com is an encrypted email (protecting both your details and that of those that contact you). Free accounts available
I was shocked that the government even had the power to implement lockdown. Maybe when this is over and everyone (apart from Ferguson) realises it was a massive mistake – we can limit government power constitutionally and permanently. It would be a mini revolution and some good can come out of this. If we don’t, the next lockdown is just a matter of time – if we have a repeat of 2017/18 flu season or mink virus or whatever comes next.
According to Lord Sumption, and the thrust of the Dolan case, they indeed did not have the power to do this under the 1984 Act. They should have used the Civil Contingencies Act which requires much more parliamentary scrutiny and regular review and renewal.
We were writing something similar at the same time I think. Totally agree
Too true. How on earth have they been able to do this in the UK? I guess we got complacent and took our eye off the ball. We really must make sure this cannot happen again. I’m fairly sure it isn’t unlawful and the Act used only allows them to restrict the movement of the infected, not the healthy but the wheels of judicial review turn far too slowly Andy need the very wealthy to be prepared to set them going. We need something much more decisive in future and possibly a written constitution which states that the government can never vote itself more powers.
I’m not a lawyer so I may just be ranting irrationally but something must be done.
Bloody spellchecker- *is* unlawful not isn’t
I think autocorrect works for the other side. It so often says the opposite of what we mean.
It constantly does that to me. It just changed that does to doesn’t for instance!
How about turning it off?
The real stupidity Steph is that during Brexit 50% of the population thought the government was lying and was prepared to go on demos to prove their case. They joined websites and argued on twitter shouting their known facts about these lies. They investigated the facts before forming an opinion. But now 70% think the government cannot be lying and is protecting us from this killer disease. And is prepared to take everything the government says as the truth! How do we get these muggles to question the party line?
I don’t know. I can see how we got here, I think, which was Project Fear on steroids and the general scientific illiteracy of the populace.
I’ve seen many an intelligent person glaze over when asked to consider statistics or science. They just don’t want to try.
I hope that the backbench rebellion will gather pace because as they say how can they tell their constituents that lockdowns are the answer when we are in a higher tier now than before the last one? Hopefully fighting for their political future, so long as they are not hoping for a government job from Boris, will have them see the light.
If they think there’s a chance Boris will be ousted or resign then they’re less likely to believe there’s a government job in prospect for them. The bigger the rebellion looks, the more it looks like time is running out for the leadership and the more will be inclined to join the rebellion. Similarly, if Labour think it’ll look like they’re responsible for the vote going through, more of them will want to disassociate with it and could thus prevent it going through.
When Will Jones says:
he is mistaken. The Covid Recovery Group could lead a successful rebellion by the simple expedient of having its members write letters to Graham Brady (1922 Committee), or even just telling Number Ten that they intend to do so unless there is complete change of approach to the virus.
The mere threat of a leadership contest is likely to be sufficient to persuade Boris Johnson to make the necessary changes. But if it were insufficient, triggering an election contest would inevitably place the government’s responses to the virus centre stage and facilitate a consideration of a variety of approaches, in which sceptical voices, calling for a proportionate response to the virus could at last be heard.
‘Centre stage’, is there anything else apart from lockdown on the stage ?
There would be for Tories who aspire to be the leader of their party and the prime minister of the country.
I have begged my MP to write to the 1922 committee. I agree this is one way out. We all know the virus will have gone by Spring through a combination of herd immunity and seasonal suppression. I just don’t want to wait that long
You’ll still have to accept the vaccine if you want to do anything
Stop begging and demand/insist that your MP write to the 1922 Committee.
Virus will be gone… but at that point the bombshell will be dropped. It will go something like this,
I think we all know – or at least hope we do by now – that this ‘rebellion’ is nothing of the sort. We need to turn our guns on the Opposition.
#Labouriscomplicit
Labour are not the ones in power. If we focus on them, the real dictators can run around and do what they like.
They are already! Think pragmatically!
But isn’t this the reason why most people voted Tory in the last election? Because Labour was worse? This sort of tactical voting is very detrimental and another solution has to be found.
Or if one of the other majors like Germany, Spain or France puts the kibosh on testing the sheepies will all follow. Place your best on who will blink first. My money is on macron
Boris is the author of his own demise. The dam wall has sprung a leak which grows larger by the day.
He should pull his finger out.
god where are the dam busters when you need them!? Need to blast the useless dictator and his cronies out of downing street!
If the return to these hellish Tiers was a ‘concession’, then what the hell did Johnson really have planned for us?! An extended full lockdown?
Plus these new Tiers are a pretty poor concession. I know we say it a lot on here but the tide is really turning, again – my impression is that more people are very angry about being put under worse restrictions after lockdown than before it. Plus all the true-blue Tory home county constituencies haven’t been spared this time round so fingers crossed that some of Johnson’s key voter base, on which he thought he could rely, will now be turning against him. His political career is absolutely in tatters, it’s just a question of when he goes. My bf reckons he’ll hang on for another couple of years (because that’s probably how long this crisis has to run) and then quietly duck away once the inevitable enquiry begins.
Very well said but I do hope your bf is wrong. I really can’t bear another 2 years of the clown destroying us and I can’t bear watching what it does to my family either.
Agree but I hope we don’t have to wait that long to get rid of Johnson. I reckon he will be out by the New Year.
I’m from the North East and would never vote for the Tories again. They have ruined the country and they ain’t finished yet. I wouldn’t vote Labour either, a bunch of lefty champagne socialists, woke, virtue signalling psychopaths. Oh, and Labour would have had us in permanent lockdown, they have said as such on many occasions. Doesn’t really leave anybody to vote for that has a realistic chance of getting in to power. We are fooked.
I hope for some of the new parties to be genuine or it’s a lifetime of spoilt ballots for me.
Agree. Never conservative, never labour agains as they both culpable for decimating the economy, killing people and aspirations.
Spoiling a ballot appear is meaningless – it just helps the strongest of the two parties.
In the end we will need to vote for another party even if you do not fully agree what they stand for
SDP party look like they share our values etc. I have seen their leader on TalkRadio many times and he is a Lockdown Sceptic. Talks a lot of sense. Hates the woke generation, green shite, etc, etc. They could worth a shout. However I can see most of the people in this country voting for the two parties that have locked them up for better part of a year for a flu virus!
Agree with SDP – heard their leader and he was excellent. To be honest i hadn’t heard of them before
The LibDems has been pretty much radio silence from the very beginning, but what we do have to remember is that they voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus (Enabling) Act in September. If enough of us join their party and vote for them, we can influence them to take a stronger stance, which will win them votes.
Our Lib Dem “leader” is a devout Covidian, she is insane. She loves the face nappies.
I had a run in with her before face-nappy day in a shop, I was giving the cashier lady the sceptical canon and she was ear-wigging, then she jumped into the conversation, wearing her face nappy, “Oh!” she said haughtily, “I suppose you are one of those CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!”
She really is a twatt, she was asking for face-nappies to be mandated in all sheltered accommodation in their public areas on the last council Covid panel meeting.
A horrible woman, arrogant as fuck and really really ignorant.
Jo Swinson isn’t the leader anymore (She lost her seat at the last election), Ed Davey is the new leader now and as far as I can tell, he is more sceptical (but he doens’t really say his opinion on things to avoid controversy)
Same here. Will never vote Conservative again ever.
If Labour think they’ll get my vote, they should think again. Ditto the Lib Dems, Greens.
They’re all complicit it this.
Yep, me too. I no longer have a vote as there is nobody who is not supporting this rank stupidity.
https://heritageparty.org/
https://reclaimparty.co.uk/
The leaders of both these parties have been outspoken against the coronapanic nonsense. So (latterly) has Nigel Farage, whose party is apparently going to be rebranded as Reform.
Any or all of these parties might well be standing next time you vote.
If your preferences run rather to the political left, who knows eventually perhaps a party of the left might arise that actually stands up on the most vital issue of the moment.
There is also the SDP which has been outspokenly any-panic. Not sure where they belong on the right/left spectrum – probably centre or centre-left.
There is growing fed-up-ness – anger in places. We’re not at a tipping point yet, though.
I hope it’s not two years. I think, realistically, we’ll probably go on like this till about May. If they still try to keep the tiers in place once the weather is on the up, the miracle snake-oil is being rolled out to the masses, and business is trying to get going again, I think we’ll see epic-scale protests and mass non-compliance.
I hope.
This should be true but then again I thought it would be all over by Summer/September/Christmas and now March. They are in a hole if their own making. If they don’t stop the testing the figures will always keep us closed down.
Mock the PCR tests. Surely there must be many irregularities in the test results over the past 8 months?
Don’t think he will ever be safe in the UK again – lots of ‘bounty hunters’ that will want to do a citizens arrest
I’m more of a ‘inhumane dispatch’ mood today.
I’d cut his balls off but I think PNN did this already, and his exes would be before me in that queue.
I do want Hancock for myself. Skinned alive and his worthless pelt sent to a taxidermist.
Then keep him alive, skinless, to be rolled in salt.
Nooooo please can I share Handcock with you. You know force feed him sweets then pinata his ass with baseball bats!
A subject Mrs C and I have have discussed often, Poppy. Yes, it’s never a good idea for the Tories to go after their own. Most political commentators say this, just as they say a Tory PM’s days are numbered when he/she loses his backbenchers. No, Boris won’t survive another two years.
Like others have mentioned, I can’t see Johnson lasting too far into the new year; he’s now a busted flush. The Tory backbenchers might let him see Brexit out and then go for a leadership contest.
They won’t do it at the moment though, the cowards; all we will hear from them will be the old ” it would be a distraction for the country in a time of crisis”, “last thing the country needs right now”, etc, etc.
Steal his bicycle.
What the “cumulative standardised mortality rate” chart shows is that we had a lot of excess deaths in April, and since then the average death rate has actually been less compared to other years. In other words, yet more proof that the pandemic was in fact over by May and the rest is artifacts one sort or another.
And misdiagnosed deaths.
“In a press release put out by the Covid Recovery Group, Harriett Baldwin MP, a former minister, said:
I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate.”
Better late than never but what “new and enduring strategy” could she possibly have been expecting? I suppose it’s natural for humans to continue striving for answers, but if there was some kind of magic strategy to mitigating a respiratory virus to make it more or less disappear wouldn’t it have been found by now? You’ve got to be really thick or muddle headed to think otherwise.
And what does she think she means by the phrase “infectious individual”?
It is just a silly excuse. Harriett the fact is that you voted for lockdown, killing businesses, jobs and people. There is no need to lockdown to make time for strategising, planning etc.
Track & Trace should be disbanded. There is no need. The virus is similar to annual flu infections. The sooner we get exposure to it and learn to live with it the better.
Closed businesses and lost jobs are final and not alt all reversible.
What becomes very clear is that the problem is the NHS – hospital acquired infections by already immune compromised people, staffing issues, management issues, lots of issues
I actually think what we are seeing is A flu instead and the Covid-19 is a passenger virus that affects a small amount of people. The problem has been that all the focus has been on looking for Covid, not a flu. There hasn’t been any testing for flu and the symptoms are very similar to what Covid is.
And, the flu rates have dropped considerably more than normal variation.
Agreed, Victoria. It looks like an arse covering attempt to me.
Scotland’s most famous dentist gives some solid advice on how to avoid killing granny this Xmas.
It’s worth noting that he says the virus doesn’t like rough surfaces, like wrapping paper, but he expects that we’ll have hand sanitiser by the Xmas tree.
FFS.
This just pitched me into gales of laughter.
Imagine a sanitised Christmas in the home of a Scotch sheeple!
Hahahahaha….
This
fruitcakeexpert thinks the virus is alive, has likes and dislikes.‘It doesn’t like…….’ Give me strength..It does nae like ANY surfaces, Jase. Twat.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30678-2/fulltext
Whers the opposition to this insanity? Where’s the Scottish CRG? Send help to Scotland!
Charity begins at home Maccynic. If we ever get our own house in order south of the border maybe some sanity will spill over. Both big ifs at the moment.
And home is the UK. The point was the lack of meaningful opposition to Princess Nic Nics shitshow from the scottish assembly.
I know. I am very much pro the union. However Nicola has decided to go her own way and make sure at all times it is even more draconian than England. I hope we’ll all get out of it.
I think the Union is in serious trouble.
‘Mr Leitch said: “If you think about the spread of the virus and, remember every single person who catches this virus gets surprised when they catch it, so it could be in the room so you just have to think about the distancing, the surfaces, the stuff you’re touching but please don’t worry about your Christmas presents.”’
What really upsets me – upsets me most fundamentally about the whole coronamaniac regime – is that we have fallen into the hands of people who cannot think. Just this one sentence demonstrates an almost total self-contradiction.
Touching surfaces/ fomite transmission was downgraded months ago. Why is tis man being paid to disseminate lies.
As I always say about Leitch, he’s a fucking dentist.
It’s beyond farcical and I just don’t pay attention to this idiot and his boss. I need to maintain my sanity somehow. As Ivor Cummins has said, this whole episode is actually anti-scientific (unscientific would be bad enough, but it’s anti-scientific). Hard to believe the Scottish Enlightenment originated here when you see morons like this in the positions they hold.
“What really upsets me – upsets me most fundamentally about the whole coronamaniac regime – is that we have fallen into the hands of people who cannot think. Just this one sentence demonstrates an almost total self-contradiction.”
This: Exactly this.
Is he on drugs? I remember at the start of this shit show a very senior director in my department told our meeting that he advised his parents ‘to just listen to Jason, he will keep you safe’ and we should all do the same.
I wouldn’t buy a 2nd hand car off the man or have him look at my teeth so have ignored him.
Have you seen the fucking state of his teeth? Popcorn.
Exactly. He doesn’t inspire confidence, to put it mildly. I’ve ignored his messages (and those from the Dear Leader) for months. Otherwise, I’d probably throw something at the TV.
Psychopaths look normal
This just smacks of the washed and deodorised middle class telling the dirty proles what to do.
He can eff right off.
Since moving to North Devon much of my time, when I’m not fuming over lockdown madness, is spent in the natural world in our large garden or working on local nature reserves, surveys and associated projects. I have noticed that this level of connection with the natural world has changed my outlook and I feel much more in tune with the natural pattern of birth, life and death. I am not a great enthusiast for animal rescue charities, being out and about in the ‘boondocks’ of N Devon I see lots of things die, but also lots of things being born and thus I am more of an enthusiast to encourage births rather than to protect from death.
This attitude extends to how I feel about human life and this virus hoo-haa has shown how much my view contrasts with much of the public who simply have a horror of the very word death. This, to my mind unrealistic, view of death, seems to have been a key factor in enabling the Uberfuhrers who currently rule over us to impose all these ridiculous lockdowns.
Ironically one effect of this years Coronavirus panic has been that the registration and recording of births has been suspended and so it is tricky to know how births have gone in 2020 but if we look back
2019 ONS England & Wales total live births 640,370
2020 ONS E & W total deaths to date 529,000
If live births 2020 in E&W are similar to 2019 and why wouldn’t they be?
then there would need to be 111,370 deaths over the next 6 weeks in order for the total deaths in E&W to = the total live births.
That would equate to 18,561 deaths per week which looks unlikely and so 2020 will still see more live births than deaths.
So SARS-Cov2 is no threat to human existence it is just a threat to our ludicrous, sentimental and unrealistic view of death. With Christmas approaching it is time we stopped mithering on about death and started to celebrate all the live births we have had in the UK.
Worth reading from Wetherspoons this morning
https://www.rns-pdf.londonstockexchange.com/rns/6954G_1-2020-11-26.pdf
At first glance this seemed like huge news to me, so I had a closer look:
“Stop Press: An article in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter published on November 22nd summarised the findings of Genevieve Briand, Assistant Program Director of the Applied Economics Master’s Degree Program at Hopkins. She analysed all-cause mortality in the US in 2020, comparing the data to deaths in previous years, and found, to her surprise, that 2020 was less exceptional that it seemed at first blush.”
But I found it a bit misleading as the chart from the CDC on this page clearly shows an increase in all-cause mortality in the US this year compared to the 5-year average, similar to the increase we’ve had in the UK (I’m not clear if the CDC chart is adjusted for age and population size, but that would not account for all of the increase). The increase is nothing like as exceptional as people perceive or as is predicted, but it’s there. I think it best to stick to the facts otherwise we are too easily attacked, though it is true that deaths are mis-labelled, but if you get into arguments about labelling death you’ll never get out of it. Need to stick to all-cause mortality, and the age of those dying.
Grateful if others can offer a different take on this.
https://theconversation.com/279-700-extra-deaths-in-the-us-so-far-in-this-pandemic-year-147887
I think all-cause mortality figures are a red herring. The ‘experiment’ has been changed this year, so any comparisons with the past are meaningless. If someone seeks to use this year’s figures to show that Covid isn’t that bad, then what do they do next year when the non-Covid lockdown deaths begin to take off? They will be hoist by their own petard.
It’s true that lockdown deaths will muddy the waters, but it’s still a hard measure to fake, whereas everything else – “cases” and “covid deaths” is very easy to fake and too variable to be reliable. Ideally you need to look at deaths and the age and recorded health conditions of the people dying and draw some solid conclusions.
Apparently all-cause mortality increased this year slightly from 2019. Also last year slightly from 2018. And the year before that. And the four years before that as well. But obviously we have not had pandemics every year for the last seven years.
2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: 2,512,880 (as of 14 November)
I think the idea is that nothing special has happened this year. Population sizes change etc, but a pandemic would have produced very obvious numbers.
Where did you get those numbers?
My take on this is that all this talk about deaths has an unrealistic ring of terror and dread about it and death data should always be contrasted with birth data. If births and deaths are running parallel then there is not a lot to worry about and both births and deaths should be celebrated.
All cause mortality in the US has increased around 2% every year of the last 5.
Blame it on Public Health England. The killjoys are killing more people than they are saving.
Carbon Neutral? Net Zero? The Common Good? Sustainable Development? What bullshit phrases.
I had the same reaction to reading this report yesterday. A bit uneasy about it, but presumably it’s just written misleadingly.
The AIER article, linked by DeepBlueYonder below, discussing the Johns Hopkins report is quite good:
New Study Highlights Alleged Accounting Error Regarding Covid Deaths
Hello all. Is there an anti lockdown demo in London tomorrow?
Some posted yesterday about Kings Cross
Easiest to search using this: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm
It’s an index to a mirror of each day’s page, fully loaded so you can search immediately using ctrl-f
Thanks Julian.
yes 12 at Kings Cross – check out StandUpX site.
I would encourage all local london based sceptics to try and make an appearance – time to put boots on the ground and get the visible numbers.
The tiers don’t make sense and no matter how the government dresses it up, its still a lockdown. They can’t carry on fooling people by calling it different names or trying to waffle on about sematics. We’re still under lockdown pure and simple. After all, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc….
One can only hope that more people wake up but I can imagine in my workplace it will be the usual moaning about “oh if only people followed the rules” or “its those selfish people who refuse to wear masks who are at fault.” The trouble is majority of my colleagues are millienials, it seems that even compulsory redundancy being a reality hasn’t been enough to wake them up.
I suspect its because they still believe and expect that they can count on mummy and daddy to ride to the rescue and bail them out. What they don’t realise is that they shouldn’t be relying on that for the following reasons:
a) mummy and/or daddy could be made redundant too. Or their business can go bust
b) their savings and pensions being subjected to tax raids and/or steep decline in value
And definitely they shouldn’t rely on the grandparents either.
Agree. There’s a psychologist who labelled millienials as the “unicorn generation.” They think they’re special, unique and they can be who they want to be, everything they want will happen. This attitude has been fostered by teachers, parents, peers and social media has given them a platform to show to the world how “special” they are.
So they’ve gone through life believing they’re special and throw a wobbly when things go their way. This crisis has only serve to highlight this “unicorn mentality” where they can virtue signal with their muzzles, observe anti-social distancing scrupulously (but only when it suits them) and turn on those who question the orthodoxy.
I get the feeling that they will be in for a very, very rude reality check.
“don’t go their way” – DOH!
Look for the cog wheel on the right. You can edit for a minute or so!
The problem I see with the youngsters where I work is that they don’t seem to think that politics or decision making is something they have any power over. They don’t seem to grasp the implications of what is being done to them, preferring to shrug (“what can I do?”) and acquiesce to whatever is demanded. There’s no sense of indignation or resistance, just a passive belief that the government knows better than they do.
At first blush, this seems like a strange situation, given the anti-social behaviour of the BLM movement and other woke groups. But perhaps the aggressiveness of such movements is part of the problem. It does seem that youngsters are becoming more and more sensitive to criticism, perhaps because of the way that Generation X has raised them, or perhaps because of the Like button in social media, but whatever the genesis of their fragility, the effect seems to be a reluctance to stand up and be counted when there is a risk of censure. Sure, they’re happy to attend a BLM march, but that’s because they have a ready-made support group that will shower them with praise for “doing good”. Ask one of these kids to stand up against their peers and they’ll flat out refuse because the damage to their reputation is much worse to them than standing up for a cause of their own devising.
I don’t know what to make of it. My young colleagues are super sharp and generally well informed about the world (at least the world described by the BBC) but at the same time they seem disconnected and spineless. Maybe they see the world as just another TV show that they can watch or ignore as they choose. If so, they’re probably not going to like what the next season has in store for them.
I agree with you. Many of my young colleagues seem well informed (OK from the prism of MSM) but can’t seem to understand that not everyone shares their views and not everyone is interested in the same causes and views as theirs. I also think as well that they’ve been insulated from real life for a long time and not even this virus has led them to question what’s going on. Despite going on about “people before profit” they have no answer when you point out about redundancy & businesses collapsing leading to poverty, depression and consequently a shorter lifespan.
Your last paragraph is spot on. They’ve been used to the likes of Bake Off, Love Island, Netflix and Game of Thrones over the last few years and think that real life is like that. Lord knows how they will react when winter is indeed coming.
Agree kh. Looking for the beauty in this current madness is harder work than usual but once you find it its worth savouring.
And a reminder that life is still worth living.
Nature is always a restorative.
Not good news for pretravel international arrangements with PCR screening. Six of Pakistan’s cricket team arriving in New Zealand positive at NZ border screening at isolation camp in NZ
https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1332124325990678528
Imagine getting a daily report update on 3 cases of community covid. That’s awful. NZ people must completely freak if it reaches 10. They are there for the taking. If ever Ahern wanted total power, she cna just take it now.
I like this one further down the tweet and not at all sinister
As always, if you are unwell, stay at home & seek advice on getting a test – you can still shop online while keeping your community safe
In 6 months it will be just stay at home forever as small businesses and society has been ruined – you can still shop online and watch Netflix.
Crazy I remember when England cricket team toured India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka there was always delhi belly or a ‘virus’ going around the touring party and I remember seeing players throwing up on the field.
Trying to be positive today about this continued debacle. Here are all the reasons to stay optimistic
Sidney Powell should be bringing her case to court today.
Listen to, or watch, America First with Sebastian Gorka.
Positive? You must self-isolate!
https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/~/media/files/pdf-documents/events-2020/wetherspoon-news–do-lockdowns-work.pdf?la=en
Wetherspoon online Covid newspaper is really comprehensive and impressive featuring in depth sceptical articles from diverse sources.
A good one to forward to drinkers!
According to this Israeli report David Salisbury (Department of Health Head of Vaccination and Immunisation 1986-2013 and Chair of the Jenner Foundation which funds Oxford Vaccine Group) is distancing himself from the Oxford vaccine:
https://worldisraelnews.com/astrazeneca-manufacturing-error-clouds-vaccine-study-results/
Meanwhile, in the BMJ blog section Peter Doshi warns against the selective releases of data by Pfizer and Moderna:
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/
and in the printed journal GP Hamish Duncan warns in letter of the dangers of a headlong rush for a vaccine, mentioning Thalidomide. The vaccine rescue scenario is unravelling just as the Prime Minister talks of the cavalry arriving. This was always the narrative, the politicians were banking on and it is not playing out. This is obviously why Starmer and Labour wanted to make discussing the vaccines illegal: they won’t bear scrutiny.
They are starting the vaccinations this month. How is this reflective of things not playing out?
I can’t see them starting a vaccination program if it hasn’t been approved by the Americans.
I’ll have a tenner with you, donated to the forum, that they don’t start vaccination in the UK this year. I just don’t think the regulator will be bullied on this because if they get it wrong it will be the biggest public health disaster the western world has ever seen, dwarfing even Thalidomide.
Next month perhaps, but the immediate question will be if the MHRA just gives a pass to these products how credible is the process? In 2006 only 10% of the population took the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix. But of course given the problem with narcolepsy things might have been an awful lot worse if uptake had been high. Meanwhile, there is great uncertainty, not held by the government, that any of these products can stop the transmission of the disease. This is a messy scenario at best.
John Stone, am I right in thinking you are a GP?
No, just an experienced web commentator on vaccines.
John Hopkins News-Letter 22/11/2020
A close look at the US deaths due to Covid 19
This is a very good study of the US stats.
Perhaps this newsletter should be in LS News?
Can anyone help with this please?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CvQ087DiOLkSg6KYEHDiWdsr1zFoiEyk/view?fbclid=IwAR0qtNN5fY7lqm7pMZe2R1tUrJJHY8O2Uzq88TcmfJTGjuzN1i1CT2FEbe4
It’s JOHNS Hopkins, not JOHN.
Have you read the article annie?
Johns Hopkins is an integral part of the Global Action Plan gang. Beware The Michael Bloomberg School for Public Health.
My thought for the day:
The Enlightenment, or accumulated wisdom, isn’t a thing that exists independently. It exists only in people’s minds and must be transmitted from one mind to another. If the chain of transmission breaks, it disappears. So, if a society becomes complacent and forgets to pass its accumulated wisdom on to younger generations, the wisdom dies with the old people. And we are back to square one: superstition, witch trials, serfdom, slavery.
Yes, it’s a new Dark Age.
Yes, technological ‘progress’ doesn’t mean we haven’t gone backwards in other, more important, ways.
And in order to maximise technological progress and harness it, freedom is required – economic and scientific.
Comments from MPs such as wanting evidence restrictions save more lives, need to analyse more closely the definition of ‘saving lives’. Average age of mortality for CV19 is 82, and we all know the demographics. For the majority it would seem therefore it is not saving a life but extending the time of death. This is not meant to sound heartless, but a reality of life that often when extremely weakened a normsl virus, chest infection etc., can be enough to speed up the inevitable.
Asking for evidence just puts more power in the hands of “the science” imo. How can anyone evidence changes to society like this? It will take generations.
Yes. ‘Evidence’ can be found to support any cause you like. There is a higher form of reasoning that people are forgetting: rationalism. It should be possible to argue against lockdowns and all the other gestures without grubbing around for dubious, manipulated statistics. Empiricism is being elevated beyond its validity.
I think it is now at the point where the evidence is irrelevant, because you cannot use it in any shape and form to convince Doris, Handsy and Co to change their minds. What is needed is action – removal of Doris – and a new set of people to run things. The CRG knows this, but suspect too many of them are cowards – let’s see.
I agree. I think unpopularity is the thing that will move Boris, not facts. People shouting loud will worry him.
‘Save lives’ long since became an utterly meaningless mantra. According to the cretinous notices festooning Tenby, I ‘save lives’ every time I don’t pass within six feet of another person. I must have saved the whole town several times over by now.
BBC R4 Today Programme
Robert Jenryk, Communities Secretary
“If we can keep the tiers robust . . . for the last few months before we roll out the vaccines”
Few months Robert ?
He’s talking to JHB on TalkRadio at the moment. He spouts utter bollocks, as he did in his last interview with JHB.
Fauci definitely said masks are here to stay.
https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/when-can-i-take-off-the-mask-forever-i-asked-dr-fauci/articleshow/79363367.cms
This is about the prevention of riots next year.
Tier 3 but in a small act of rebellion have booked a couple of meals in neighbouring Tier 2 pubs and hope to find a hotel for a couple of days away, think there’s a Wetherspoons hotel in Ripon. Of course I have been slated as Typhoid Mary by the online sheepflake community who go on about how we have so much to learn from Singapore. These are former lefties with acute Stockholm Syndrome.
Good idea I live nr keighley will be spending 1 day a week walking round ripon and then a pint and a meal maybe skipton will be ok as its n yorks
Ignore the SS sheeples. Have a great evening
There are obvious downsides to all of this
However in a odd sort of way I’m looking forward to 6 months of the lockdown zealots being punished.
I’m looking forward to watching them beg for even more punishment before they are finally dispatched by a dud vaccine
‘obvious downsides to all of this’
<weeps with mirth>
“The ultimate totalitarian power is the power to make people forget their own inner voice. The ultimate tool against evil is to listen to that voice and to not be afraid of the supposed consequences.
The question of the facade of power is about to become the defining question of our epoch as the elitist establishment accelerates their agenda for greater centralized control of our lives. The truth they do not want you to understand is that they have no power. They have nothing. We could defy their mandates anytime we wish. We could do away with them tomorrow if we wanted. They are of no use to humanity, they serve no valuable purpose. They only seek to feed like vampires on the masses and fulfill their deranged fantasies of conquest. Sooner or later they will have to be dealt with – The sooner the better.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/power-illusion-control-facade
That’s it. It reminds me of stress. It creeps up on you and only when you hit the wal you realise that it can all go away and it is you who can do it. It’s actually very simple in the end. Let it go.
I was hoping to see someone who thanks to Covid-19 has been out of reach for 9 months, we thought it would be possible for us to meet this month. Thanks to the ludicrous bubbles rules, we still can’t get together. It is beyond frustrating.
‘ludicrous’?
You mean ‘tyrannical’.
Then ignore the stupid rules and see them.
Pretend that you’re back at school and there’s a “stoopid rool” stopping you playing with your mates. Would you accede or play?
Sneak under the wire and go and meet your friend!
Just ignore the rules. It’s the morally correct thing to do.
Ignore! Your mental wellbeing is more important
With the greatest respect, if you intend not to meet your friend because Boris tells you that you can’t, then you are on the wrong website!!! Do what you know is morally right – meet your friend!
So here’s what I do. I grab my toolbag put on a flat cap and visit my mates and the curtain twitchers think I am doing work round my mates house.
It would be the flat cap that would give you away…
Damn, do you think a bowler or cap on backwards. I do try and wear Jean’s showing as much ass crack as I can
Is it because your friend won’t break the rules? Because if they will then so should you. There really is no excuse for collaborating and then coming here and complaining about it. Apologies if that seems harsh but the time has come to act like free born humans. In fact it’s long passed.
But you can meet. There are exemptions in all the tiers. You must be able to find one in this lot:
Exemptions from gatherings limits in all tiers
To avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm is elsewhere explained as including mental health crises.
If your friend is housebound, or if you are, then the other is going round to clean, do the washing, etc for a vulnerable person.
There are perfectly legal ways round all of this nonsense. You just need to look for them. Not that I agree with any of it, of course.
Watch this, then decide which side you’re on.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nuDQ_3g53qc/
Emasculated, spaced-out and irrelevant like the Parliament in which he sits, Starmer the Trilateralist will do nothing to pull Borisian chestnuts out of the fire either by supporting him or opposing him, or both. Far too much intellectual effort for Woodentop.
As for the CRG Tory trough-feeding rebel wets, their salami-slicing of lockdown, instead of pressing for its total abolition, is only to be expected from a gang of ex-Brexiters.
Yeah the CRG need to show some teet. Too many false dawns.
As for Starmer and Labour the fact they vote en masse to see through every single measure is a disgrace. No principles, just focused on the next election.
Yeah the CRG need to show some teet
I hope you mean “teeth”!
Starmer is a Trilateralist? Is Boris?
Am I the only one feeling a bit better today? I know that everyone should be arguing to be in Tier 0, rather than which tier they are in, but the mere fact so many people are angry about their tier means that more and more people are starting to question the narrative. And starting to look behind the headlines. That can only be a good thing for us?
Just feeling good us good, Ken, whatever the reason!
Smile, feel good, enjoy things, it’s a poke in the eye for THEM.
Managed to share a few nuggets this morning… it has to be subtle but a few carefully shared articles go a long way.
Lockdowns are a war on the people, not the ‘virus’
It was always a surprise that more people didnt smell a rat after Event 201 and then by a huge coincidence, it happened!. Covid is now for for the mentally challenged.
Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.
The risk of dying with the coronavirus mirrors exactly the risk of dying even if the virus did not exist.
The virus is having zero effect on mortality. And that is the case even taking the obviously inflated figures at face value.
But without masks and inflicting depression on a national scale, it would have been worse.
This year there were fewer deaths than the five yearly average before the lockdown measures were introduced. After the lockdown there were more deaths than the five yearly average. Tens of thousands of these were not coronavirus related, even taking the official figures at face value. Moreover, the regime adopted as the lockdown for care homes is certainly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, many of which have been labelled as coronavirus deaths.
“More granular differentiation between tiers, so, for instance, the whole of Kent doesn’t have to be plunged into Tier 3 because there are over 500 cases per 100,000 people in Swale, even though there are only 120/100,000 in Ashford.”
Noooooo Toby
You can’t publish a piece completely decimating the bonkers PCR testing regime and simultaneously advocate for a system that just locks down areas based on it!
I am pleased that more areas of the country are finally waking up to this shamdemic but I worry it’s more NIMBYism than genuine skepticism. Too many people want others to suffer with pointless “rules” so that they can be free. That’s not fair, logical nor practical.
We need herd immunity, not these cultish mass-hysteria induced rituals that imply the virus will somehow “go away” in lovely clean Ashford if only those pesky Covidiots in Swale wear their muzzles properly
As the lateral flow testing indicated, even Liverpool wasn’t actually suffering a health crisis. ALL lockdowns are bad and nowhere should be in Tier anything! GBD all the way.
This is the thing that most annoys me about this website. They still, every day, refer to ‘cases’ as if they are ‘infections’. And play their game by thinking it can be used as a basis for policy making and decision taking.
Absolutely Ken. I have my theory that it’s rooted in the last unaddressed prejudice we have in the UK…class. Yes I’m sure that socio-economic factors have a huge impact on actual covid infections/deaths, but whatever the solution is to that it’s definitely not current policies.
We have to couch our arguments with phrases they understand and will accept. It is why talking about Herd immunity and bed wetters is unhelpful. We don’t want to replicate the Remoaners trying to persuade Leavers to change their opinion by telling them they are thick.
ok, fair point. Or Hiliary calling half of America ‘irredeemably deplorable’ which was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Trump campaign! But the ‘cases’ vs ‘infections’ thing really goes to the heart of all this and needs to be torn apart.
I could not agree with you more, posted the PCR piece on Facebook this morning and had a very productive discussion with a friend of a friend about PCR and LFT.
Of course we should not tell our opponents that they are thick. But if we concede they have a point where they have none, if we state that the irrational is reasonable in order to placate them, we achieve only this:
1) we insult the intelligence of people who deserve to hear serious argument;
2) we compromise the sense of our own position;
3) we create a situation in which Bojo can spin out a tweaked lockdown for ever while claiming to be listening to Lockdown Sceptics.
Correct, no PCR tests, no lockdown, no scamdemic. Normal flu season.
and how could we have the Great Reset then ?
Hmm?
We couldn’t.
Which is why they need all the PCR tests and the false positives and the exaggerated deaths.
It’s NOT ABOUT THE VIRUS!
It’s so hard to know how deep to pitch your skepticism material… (I personally prefer the idea that the Gov/media are stupid and stubborn rather than evil. And I don’t buy into the Bill Gates stuff although I think we underestimate how manipulative China might’ve been.) My point is though…going full-out conspiracy theory turns more people off than on. May as well tell them the earth is flat too at the same time.
Questioning PCR tests is a good place to start, especially if someone did Maths/stats A Level as Bayesian Theory is accessible (and actually pretty fun/fascinating!)
The excess deaths from COVID this year to date are no more than 13,300, probably far less. That’s under 2.6%
The institute and faculty of actuaries are significantly overstating the excess death rate. The number of over 70s in England increased from 6,387,380 in 2013 to an ONS-estimated 7,712,846 in 2020, an increase of 20.75%.
Adjusting the death rate by the number of 70 year olds in the population (see my table on yesterday’s posts) gives an average number of deaths in England and Wales of 516,592 to week 46 for each of the years 2013-2020. Deaths this year were 529,928 to week 46, an excess of 13,336 or 2.58%.
A large number of these excess deaths are clearly from people not attending hospitals as they have been scared witless – emergency procedures are down nearly 50% for most of the year since April.
So that leaves very few accounted for by COVID.
I would say it is probably 10 % of that now having seen how flu wasn’t tested for. As the evidence paper showed for flu and Covid cases, 96% of patients were labelled as not having flu NOT by testing negative but by not being tested at all.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/thirteen-residents-die-scots-care-23075193
This will have a major impact on the lockdown in Scotland. Yet, this time last year, it may have made the news, but it would just be a flu outbreak.
This would never have made the news. There were 50,100 excess deaths in the winter of 2017-8 (apparently because it was a bit colder than usual) and I don’t remember that do you?
(Sorry if that sounds argumentative! I do agree with you).
You do not remember “The Beast from the East”? The corporate media made it sound like Putin had sent the cold weather as an attack on our way of life.
Aaaahhh…The beast from the east, I remember that well. The mass hysteria over a bit of snow. Seems tame now compared to the scaremongering now eh?
I remember the beast.
Was a bit snowy, so Nik-Sturge-on declared a Red Emergency. Get off the roads, stay home.
I was driving down the M8/M74 to recross the border.
All the huge, expensive signs, which could have eg. eg, warned of detailed road conditions, carried a message, ‘Red Alert, do not travel, go home’.
So I ignored them.
This is important because any penalties or arrests made on the threat of causing harm from Covid needs to sufficiently exceed the bar set by respiratory viruses in general.
As some businesses are realising, proof of direct harm is needed, as per HSE – severe and imminent threat (hat tip to Awkward Git)
No one I believe has ever been charged with causing an outbreak of the flu even though it kills thousands every winter. And Covid has caused less harm than flu even if we believe the figures.
Of course the flu that has been with us since we crawled onto four legs has suddenly been eradicated.
We should run a few lines from William of Occam’s grave. Might power a small town with all that spinning
No, I don’t think that you are being argumentative at all, so don’t apologise, it’s all good.
I agree with you.
Arguing about which tier we are in. It’s a bit like arguing about which shed in the concentration camp we are in.
It is but we have to start somewhere and remember the Mark Twain quote about fooling people..
JHB “I just want to bang my head on the table” & “I’m going to need therapy after this” following her interview with Robert Jenrick. Julia, we feel the same. He is such an idiot.
I couldn’t listen – turned the Jenrick turd off with sanctimonious patronising twaddle. How on earth can people swallow all this bull – oooh it’s just a few months before blah blah. We’ve had this for 9 months and will probably for years to come – sorry I’m feeling very emotionally balanced or grown up today!
Hartley Brewer just SHREDDED Jenrick on the timing of mass testing and positive test fall in Liverpool.
He basically was reduced to saying he took what SAGE told him ahead of looking at the actual data.
He was trashed (again).
Apparently, when government ministers say they are “following the science”, they mean they are acting in accordance with an opinion expressed by one of their hand-picked experts – nothing to do with actual empirical science, or even evidence.
Hand picked “corrupt”experts..
In other words reading a script
~ Homer Simpson
He was totally trashed by her, he knows it, and yet he also knows it won’t matter.
I read a comment saying she’s been promoting the vaccines. So maybe she’s controlled opposition? I dunno
She was all in favour of the lockdown. She has recently come to the view that it is somewhat disproportionate and the evidence base is questionable. However, she remains in favour of social distancing rules, mandatory face mask wearing and vaccines that no one can know are either safe or effective.
The reaction to Tiers confirms what I have been saying for ages: people support lockdown for other people, not themselves.
Quite so. Bit like Green issues!
Absolutely. I know of a family who are pro-lockdown but who break the rules constantly. Anyone who questions the Government’s lockdown rules is a David Icke fan. They are the most annoying, simpleton hypocrites imaginable, since they are helping to destroy everyone’s lives
All the people I know who are in favour of the (ever changing) lockdown measures have consistently broke the rules. They have also equally consistently condemned other people for breaking the rules and blamed them for the restrictions. And all this has been done and said with an air of superiority.
My son saw him being interviewed in the street a couple of weeks ago. Verdict – he should go without a few lunches and dinners!
Spanners to the left of them
Spanners to the right of them
Spanners in front of them
Into the valley of death rode the lockdown sceptics
Mr Johnson seems to be an Anti-Panglossian and theretofore is basing his decisions on imagining the worst of all possible outcomes in the worst of all possible worlds.
Heard one of his ministers on the radio an hour ago talking about wanting to flatten the curves or even getting ’em to go down. Hasn’t he noticed this was already happening even before the lockdown could have had an impact?
Excuse me! It was the Pangolissians wot got the blame last time
It was actually the bats wot dun it
Your spouting Pangolissian hate speech
There is a tiny number of people running this shit show. There are 65 million people being manipulated in the UK
None of it would be possible without the propaganda machine which is the MSM. Just like in the USA they support evil. Follow the money.
There’s been a lot of talk recently about Universal Basic Income. They’re even trialing it in a few areas in Scotland I believe. As with anything there are arguments for and against it.
One in particular that I want to focus on and seems logical to me is that it could reduce incidences of petty crime. The theory being that with money to live on people will be less inclined to do desperate things. This makes sense to me but would it really work out this way in reality? That’s a question for another time.
If this logic is correct then think about what is likely to happen in the coming months/years where millions more people will find themselves out of work and possibly means to provide for themselves or their families. I highly doubt that Universal Credit will be enough for many.
That’s the plan. When you rely on the state you are a slave to them.
The coming 4th industrial revolution is going to destroy so many jobs that something of this kind will be inevitable.
I’m not sure it would reduce incidences of petty crime. I’m no expert on behaviour, but I think creating a large number of idle people may increase crime, people need productive things to do. It seem to me that eliminating the need to ‘hunt’ for a living would be interfering with the most basic instinct, which could prove unpredictable.
I think the idea is any disobedience is met with withdrawal of subsistence. The state own you.
And that creates a massive black market in anything from commodities to people. It seems every few decades someone decides they’re the smart ones who got the answer to how to “fix” humanity, that the world has moved on an now is the time etc.
This is always – always – swiftly followed by utter devastation and destruction and massive loss of life.
It will happen again this time because what these idiots overlook time and time and time again is the unchanging and immutable nature of the human animal. We are just not very nice; and never will be.
It will end horrifically and not at all in the way planned. That is the only prediction that one can be 100% confident of.
I’ve for a long time been struck with how similar universal credit and universal basic income sound. Perhaps UBI was always the plan.
I wish I lived in the 1950’s and 60’s.. when men more easily provided.
May as well go the whole hog and just give everyone a platinum Amex with the Government paying the bill.
Drone delivered take-out.
Feeling disheartened today.
At this point, I really feel like the numbers are irrelevant. Lockdowners don’t WANT to know that the survival rate for the virus for most people is >99.9%. They also don’t care that hospitalisations and excess deaths are being dramatically overstated. Recent mask trial shows that they are essentially ineffective and pointless? Not bothered!
As proven by the recent Daily Mail article, a mainstream media publication can unquestionably demonstrate that the government are inflating the figures, and they will close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and say ‘la la not listening.’
The government itself also clearly doesn’t give two shits about keeping up the facade anymore, as evidenced by their ridiculous and arbitrary tier allocation system. It’s clear as day that this isn’t about the virus anymore. Why won’t people open their eyes!
Once you realise it’s all a HOAX the numbers are totally irrelevant.
‘Why won’t people open their eyes!’
Because it’s easier to keep them closed. 80% of the nation’s population are hard of thinking Chloe.
Lockdowners are the most utterly selfish people on this earth. To the devil with everybody and everything else, it’s all ME SAFE, ME ME ME.
Unless they have a “genuine” reason to break lockdown and then it’s just a little nervous giggle and shrug because they are special.
agree chloe – very disheartened by all this and lack of liberties enforced on us. I just don’t see an end as boris and his chums don’t listen and don’t see what it’s doing to the country, business and people in the street. Honestly hoping to move abroad next year if we’re allowed to by the stasi…
Regarding the NHS:
A friend told me that some departments are having real trouble meeting list deadlines now as so many staff are off or isolating due to the Covid rules. These include specialist treatments for people with cancer.
So what we are seeing is a logisitics crisis caused by voodoo rather than by science.
The people and resources are all there. They are being made to stay away by stupid rules.
Directly from a friend who is a HR Manager in a large hospital…a significant number of these staff are also people who deem themselves “vulnerable” and are exploiting the situation to get time off on full pay (and ultimately be redeployed to an easier job on the same pay, unless they are eventually dismissed for not being fit to work).
There is a member of admin staff for example who refuses to work because they think they’re vulnerable even though GP wouldn’t issue a shielding letter. They were too thick to be deemed able to do any meaningful work from home so have been on full pay since for doing nothing. The only proviso was they didn’t tell any of their colleagues so not to cause upset (this was a Director decision not my friend who was furious about it!)
Yep that’s the NHS through and through. That member of staff should be at home on no pay. NHS ethos Why work when you can be off on full pay for months and months.
Could you imagine what the old school matrons would have done to these snowflakes.
How lovely for these exploiters.
They clapped for them.
They get discounts at supermarkets.
They get MBEs
all whilst people do not get proper care at hospitals and the economy bleeds dry
If that’s the best the CRG can do then they might as well not bother. Bleating about who’s on what tier is fiddling while Rome burns.
They’re all happy with restrictions on other people but not their own.
Maybe, but the way I see it that’s not the point. The point is that the Tier 1 restrictions are unacceptable.
There was a website link posted on here this morning looking for help in coordinating and delivering leaflets across the country,I can’t bloody well find it now …
Thank you I appreciate your time,I will register my interest and start spreading the word, once again thank you..
Have been delivering in my local mixed housing area. So far have seen none of the leaflets displayed so think we have much further to go to start changing minds. Was not prepared when a couple came out of their house and shouted ‘You’re a fraud. Get off my land’.!
AGREE
There is no need for any lockdowns.
The NHS is the problem: hospital acquired infections, staffing issues, inept management, government interference
Grownups in cat whiskers and spiderman masks…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DtfWZ6PQFQ&list=WL&index=17
Ahh lovely.
What about all the subsidised government grants to insulate our homes better.
Granny might catch her death in such a cold room
Ive written to the chief coroner today to ask for the number of autopsies performed this year and the past five years for a comparison. I am very sure that the total this year will be way off normal, all in the name of staying safe whilst realistic and important information on the current pandemic is lost. It will help to expose another area of this sham.Every day that passes leaves me more and more angry with this fucking useless government and its willing collaborators in the NHS (or is that the wrong way around
)
They have replied saying safely received and it is in progress!
Robert Jenrick, the Housing Secretary, told Julia Hartley Brewer this morning that the government’s coronavirus responses are not political, but are a purely public health matter. One has to wonder if he even listens to himself?
Is that supposed to make us feel better?
Our new neighbour stopped and told me that he was going to be tested(like,”I really wanted to know that”) because he felt “rough”.
No, I wasn’t impressed either.
I’ve felt a bit under this week. Better today mind.
There has to be some element of thinking yourself into Covid and subsequent Long Covid. Hypochondriacs everywhere
Covid and covid paranoia must be incredibly offensive and frustrating to people who are actually ill.
ABSOLUTELY.
I got a mild cold this week. I did what I always do – had a lemsip and got on with it. I feel completely fine now.
“No brainer” for us sceptics
Did he have too much of the falling over water the previous night?
Possibly.
Has anyone heard Whitty asked whether he still thinks over 90% of the population are susceptible to the Virus? The same applies to Ferguson. Maybe JHB could pose that question to everyone she interviews who is representing the government’s position.
Wrote to our MP and sent Dr Clare Criag’s questions to him. Please see the reply someone from his office made! Our response to this is below. Is there any hope?
Dear
Thank you for contacting me about the Government’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.
Research on the origins and immunological response to coronavirus is occurring at pace and I am encouraged by recent reports which highlight potential pre-existing T-cell immunity amongst some people in our community. Early studies have indicated that T-cells may remember some common cold coronaviruses which are closely related to Covid-19. As a consequence, it has been suggested that substantial T-cell reactivity exists in many unexposed people.
Although I am encouraged by this research, it is important to remember that these studies are small and do not yet provide authoritative estimates of pre-existing immunity within the community. Nevertheless, Ministers are taking this seriously and have established a Coronavirus Immunology Consortium, backed by £6.5 million of Government funding. The consortium will consider key questions surrounding Covid-19 immunity and will invest significant resources into T-cell research.
In the case of COVID-19, infection is most commonly detected by using a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR); a test that detects viral genetic material. PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. That is only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on. By scaling PCR testing to screen vast amounts of samples from within a population, public health officials can get a clearer picture of the spread of a disease like Covid-19 within a population.
Preliminary estimates for the current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK could be somewhere between 0.8 per cent and 4.0 per cent. The tests are also understood to produce false negatives in between 2 and 29 per cent of cases.
I know that scientists and researchers in this area will continue to work to maximise accuracy, and ensure that data reflects that some results may not be correct. However, I would also underline that these tests have been rigorously tested themselves before being approved for use, and they are a vital source of data as we continue to work to combat this virus.
I agree that it is important that we act on the latest data available to ensure that the most appropriate actions are taken at the most appropriate time. I know my colleagues throughout the Government agree with this principle, and are working with researchers, scientific advisers, and data teams to ensure that they have access to information as quickly as possible. I also welcome that the Government is continuing to make data publicly available.
I fully recognise concerns expressed by constituents and I will continue to follow this issue closely.
Dear
Thank you for your reply, which came on the day our area was moved from Tier 1 into Tier 2. So we must conclude that the last three weeks of ‘Lockdown’ has not been such a success! When will anyone start to challenge the value of ‘Lockdowns’?
We note you do not really try and address the issues raised by Dr Craig. We are staggered that after all the recent research you still put your faith in the PCR test as a reliable indicator of genuine infections. You must be aware it was never designed for this.
After yesterday we can only conclude that the Conservative Party under its present leadership has a death wish.
Yours sincerely,
Thanks for that Paul. It is amusing that they present T cell immunity as if it has only just been discovered and of course ignore most of the important questions.
‘at pace’ bullshit bingo
Well, at least you got what might be termed a ‘reply’.
But the garbage on PCR testing is remarkable in its perpetuation of inaccuracy.
Has this government got a death wish?, Oh, silly me!, it’s the sheep and the collaborators who’ve got that.
Problem is,that, they’re wishing it on the rest of us.
From the AIER article on the Johns Hopkins study showing misclassification of deaths: “ There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths.”
However every other commentary seems to suggest there have indeed been 200k+ excess deaths this year (including on the CDC website). Am I missing something?
There is a 2% rise every year, is that included?
If you read the piece by Genevieve Briand referred to above, her investigation into all-death mortality shows that certain illnesses like heart disease are showing way lower deaths than usual in 2020. Suggesting that they are actually being put down as Covid deaths, much as in the UK i guess.
Yes that makes complete sense to me, it’s the disparity in assessment of total excess deaths I can’t get my head around.
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In Scotland, The dentist wanker has spoken…
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-warned-save-big-christmas-23077048
Unbelievable! I am now offering dental advice to anyone on here, I am not in anyway a dentist, but if a dentist can advise on thing’s he knows Fuckall about, then so can I.
Twat.
I think he has been on the laughing gas. MSM a mouthpiece for press releases that make no sense.
I’m willing to try to see the other side of the argument but how does “The risk is things that you share, so big spoons that you share with each other are out, so the big shared buffet is out.” work? Are they suggesting that you eat a potato directly from a spoon?
Presumably, it is the handle of the spoon being touched that is the issue.
Yes, the end the potatoes are on is fine.
Covid germ: “Quick lads; she’s handing over the spoon, let’s get her!”
At least he has become dimly conscious that his obsession with lethal roast potatoes is a bit manky:
“It is difficult to find the balance, I use the roast potato analogy, those potatoes are not your risk. The risk is things that you share, so big spoons that you share with each other are out, so the big shared buffet is out.”
Sharing anything is, of course, a crime. A crime also known as generosity.
The definition of a Scotsman used to be ‘a Jew with all the generosity taken out’.
(Apologies to Jewish readers.)
The Mad Fang Doctor must be an archetypal Scot.
It’s no wonder a lot of people overestimate the actual risk when the people leading the charge make it sound like it’s definitely going to happen to them.
During the months the NPHS became a covid only service, and therefore almost empty, huge backlogs of untreated non-covid
victimspatients obviously built up.Why not ask Sweden to help us treat our medical backlog with any spare capacity they may have because they did not panic in the face of poor science and incompetent political leadership?
(P – Poor)
4pm this afternoon would be good timing for the Court of Appeal to pull the plug on this shit show
Sadly I expect it to make no difference.
The virus has been genius, I wonder what the elites next trick is. You have to admire them organised and clear in their psychopathy.
The virus droplets can remain suspended in the air. For how long?
think of a number, then put your finger in the air and you will find out. this can only happen in pub never in Lidl or WH Smith
Who’s Afraid of Virginia Vaccine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cam3T-TQBpw&t=1590s
Will Franken.. needs a few more subs I think.
I’ve decided to take some friendly advice that I read in reply to one of my posts the other day.
Thanks to everyone here for helping to keep me sane during the last few months. I’m giving up the internet for a while.
I’m sorry if my posts have offended anyone, I should probably moderate myself in the future
I hope you all get through this with minimal damage.
Good luck, see you on the other side.
you will be missed.. i loved the Guardian spoofs
and as they say, you have to break the odd egg to make an omelette
No offence ever taken! See you on the other side
Beefheart,
your Guardian Spoofs were brilliant.
Enjoy your sabbatical, will be good to hear from you again at any time.
Cheers
Put your feet up
Never offended me.
Look forward to your return.
Government ministers are all telling us that mass testing in Liverpool dramatically reduced the number of “infections”. And apparently we are all supposed to nod and say, “How wonderful.”
How can any Boris, Matt, or Bob, never mind the rest of us, believe this nonsense? It simply is not credible that these ministers believe what they are saying. We are supposed to believe that they think conducting a test removes the virus. Of course, they do not believe such nonsense. So why are they pushing this blatant nonsense?
Basically because once you start down the road of falsehood, there’s no way back, and you just have to keep compounding.
I conjecture that in the absence of a vaccine, or because of vaccine refusers, HMG might go for certificated testing. Whether such a certificate might include social credit will be interesting to see. Say no to everything.
Wish fulfillment.
The briefing document is a great start and is well presented. However there is an ERROR in the false positives diagram. All the words are correct but in Scenario 2, there are 1000 people without the infection but the diagram shows 2500 which implies 25 false positives. It would be great if this could be corrected as our arguments need to be watertight.
The science narrative is still dangerous because it assumes lockdowns and restrictions are necessary. Does the Government have the right to impose restrictions and destroy civil liberties for a health issue?
Wankers and Bankers rule the world.
Some of you might have already seen this but here is a site that has censored poo tube videos.
https://www.altcensored.com/#p/u/11/37bmbj1uTsk
Interesting listening to Baroness Hoey, former Labour MP and minister Kate Hoey. Baroness Hoey sits in the lords non affiliated, interesting how her views seem to align with how most right thinking people are viewing the current situation, unlike her former commons comrades.
https://youtu.be/Y2Sb-eOGq1U
From Twitter (Carl Haneghan) – Showing weekly positive tests per 100K people last week in Tier areas – absolutely absurd, arbitrary division – a bit lie 19th century imperialists drawing lines across the map of Africa
“You want normal?
THEN ACT NORMAL!!”
An Invitation to Small Business Saturday’s Webinar with Sir Keir Starmer
The Leader of the Labour Party, Sir Keir Starmer, will listen to the voice of small businesses ahead of Small Business Saturday.
I think I would rather slide down a razor blade into a paddling pool of dettol.
So that small businesses can say ‘Yes, dear leader of the Party of Working People, we really, really want you to insist on cutting our throsts in order to keep us safe.’
What chance do small business owners have when Mike Cherry, National Chair, Federation of Small Businesses is fully signed up to https://www.buildbackbetter.org.uk/ ?
Does he run a bike shop?
Yep, contacted him with facts etc to pass on to his members.
Nada, nothing, SFA.
He’s another stooge.
I just wrote to my MP. He is one of the Covid Recovery Group, and is doing his best for us, but I needed to vent my feelings anyway. Here’s what I wrote:
Dear Philip
My emotions were all over the place when I saw the new tier allocations for England. I have been trying to balance anger and utter despair. We might as well be living in North Korea. The promise of a vaccine has only served to embolden the government in its excessive authoritarian measures.
If there was a crisis in a few Northern hospitals (which there isn’t) then there might be some justification for continuing restrictions in those areas, but there is absolutely no need to lock down areas that have no such problems. Peoples’ lives are being ruined for nothing.
My analysis, and I might be wrong, is that the Government is spending billions of pounds of money that we don’t have, and destroying jobs and businesses, in order to shelter their own reputation. They don’t want to be remembered as the government that allowed half a million people to die, mostly in hospital corridors, so they are doing everything they can to keep Covid death figures as low as possible. They seem not to care about the damage that will be done in the slightly longer term, which, if it is ever evaluated, will be far worse than the damage that they are trying to prevent. We all know now that the horror predictions by Neil Ferguson were wrong by a factor of 10, and that the outrageous terror graphs published in the last few weeks were deliberately and cynically designed to scare the public into submission. And yet the government carries on as if this were the Black Death.
I am unlikely to vote for Labour in the near future, but I will also not vote for a party that has Boris Johnson as its leader. He is not a Conservative. He has to go, and the sooner the better.
I know you are on the side of common sense, and I thank you for your efforts.
Regards
Tim Light
P.S. I just learned that non-league football will not be allowed crowds in Tier 3. I am gutted. My brother and I took some consolation in watching local football at Thackley or Eccleshill United. A sliver of normality in a dismal dystopian world. It’s going to be a long winter.
Great letter
I’d be tempted to omit ‘I might be wrong’!
Tucker Carlson explains the reactions across the world to this deadly pandemic, from a virus so lethal that the main symptom is “I didn’t know I had it” :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oc8Osx5lE1A
Various world leaders (in this specific case, Democrats in the U.S.) are using the pandemic as a power grab. They’re using exactly the same phrases as the UK government, and very, very similar policies, i.e. shutting down the hospitality industry. After all, we don’t want the plebs meeting up in person, where we can’t monitor them electronically, and plotting rebellion…..
“deadly pandemic”. Sadly so ingrained now. The Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court used this phrase in his dissent from the court’s decision to grant an injunction allowing churches to open pending review of the constitutionality of closing churches. This is a man who makes his living, and important decisions, based on the precise use of language. He has life tenure so doesn’t need to please anyone.
(Off topic, he was appointed by a Republican and is always referred to as a conservative, but this time, not for the first time, he voted with the liberal/activist judge wing of the court. If you believe the liberal media, the court has had a conservative majority for a long time but in reality it is only now with Barrett replacing Ginsburg that it is on balance conservative given that Roberts is a centrist/liberal).
Roberts is probably a Trilteralist.
Just heard 15k jobs at risk due to likely collapse of Arcadia. Will anyone wake up if this happens?
Yes. Hence the continuing lockdown by any other name.
Unfortunately, all the Daily Mail commenters did was rant about what’s-his-name who runs it. Not a peep about the thousands who will be out of work.
Richard Tice on TR brilliant on PCR fiasco and finding out who in Govt knows it is not fit for purpose and are they covering up/lying.
They are covering up. Even the design of the test itself could well be fraudulent never mind its use.
Mp’s do your jobs remove Johnson Hancock Witty Vallance Van Tam Sage along with all the bullshit rules and nonsensical covid19 act 2020
Phew….I done a pregnancy test this morning and I’m negative…….that’s a relief as I’m a 42 year old man…..could be asyptomatic I suppose, I am feeling a bit bloated.
It will almost certainly be positive next time. Better go buy a cot.
And some nappies…
Bloody hell, nobody told me that….maybe I shouldn’t of got a test if I haven’t got any symptoms.
Is there a test for fuckwittery and ignorance???
Create one and send it to your MP.
next on Hancocks list, compulsory testing for all women once a week to see if they are pregnant. You cant be too careful.
Corona Ausschuss yesterday, Prof Wodarg explained that one of the vaccines could prevent pregnancies. Apparently the vaccine stops a protein, which would be needed for the virus to attach to a human cell. The same protein is needed to get the body to build up the placenta and therefor make it possible for a fertilised egg to implant.
…and that’s how the excreble Gates will reduce his population count to the Georgia Guidestones number (Google refers – 500.000.000 people)
Don’t be defeatist Just keep testing every couple of days. Eventually you’ll get a positive.
Hi Loretta
Uptick for the Peoples’ Front of Judea reference.
Shit, I’ve just remembered it was my birthday 3 weeks ago, I’m 43. Must have long covid!
Long Covid is like the Event Horizon of a Black Hole, it slows down Time.
Use a PCR test, much more reliable.
As long as you’ve still got a good (lateral) flow, you’re not gravid.
JHB interview with Jenrick. Are there any other journalists actually challenging MP’s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIaunRpESLg
What’s the point? They all clearly hear a different question to any that are asked.
It matters. Stand up and challenge them
The more sheep that see them struggle to answer basic questions, the more we can wake up.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1332236175315267584
The Gov’t and the UK is occupied by the WEF. Labour won’t be any different
Next year’s restrictions following the economic fallout will be crowd control, that’s all.
The WEF is following the plan of the Trilateral Commission. Kier Starmer is a member of the Trilateral Commission, so they are all owned by the same ideology – there is no opposition at all. Wake up people.
Defeat the WEF! Vive la Résistance!
Perhaps it’s time we had elected local police chiefs so they can be called to account?
Jenrick.. posho chinless wonder.
The man actually said testing caused infections to fall in Liverpool… just amazing.
The virus that’s afraid of being tested for
Rebleating what hancock said earlier in the week who added ‘we will ramp up testing in other tier 3 regions to get their numbers down as well’
Tossers
Apparently government ministers believe that conducting a test removes the virus from people.
He’s more interested in real estate.
I could never understand how merely testing could cause infections to fall. What am I missing? Can someone enlighten me?
Well, it’s obvious. The virus is a sentient being and feels fear. “Omigod! They’re on to me.!”
Unreliable PCR tests to go – use Lateral Flow tests
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1332236452911067136
And then go after those who knew about PCR and did nothing. The tool of operession. I have an email drafted to local journalist that shows my local MP was emailed 3 times since June on the topic of PCR asking him to enquire about PCR, false positives and CTs. That’s all. Ask those two questions and demand an answer.
He did nothing. Complicit in the oppression. As soon as PCR hits court and shown to be a fraud, the email goes out.
Predatory – The Great Reset’s modus operandi in full view. Close down small businesses under the guise of public health (Covid) and take ownership of them
https://twitter.com/TheFreds/status/1332081338770464775?s=20
So that fits perfectly with that supposed leak from the Canadian MP then? (not sure if it was an MP but it was someone in parliament I believe.)
Copying what some high street banks have been doing for years.
SAGE are on the Gov’t payroll, so in effect work for the Gov’t
The Gov’t payroll is bankrolled by the taxpayers. So, in effect they work for us.
UK government running ‘Orwellian’ unit to block release of ‘sensitive’ information
Exclusive: Secretive Cabinet Office ‘Clearing House’ for Freedom of Information requests also accused of “blacklisting” journalists; openDemocracy launching a legal bid for transparency
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/uk-government-running-orwellian-unit-to-block-release-of-sensitive-information/
Gove is a shit.
From Toby’s Spectator piece, I found this rather disappointing:
“Even my mother-in-law has become a bit suspicious. She came to lunch last Saturday – she’s in our support bubble ”
There’s absolutely no need to preemptively kowtow to these stupid rules and absurd concepts. To the contrary – leave it unsaid specifically so people can jump to the conclusion that the rules were ignored, without actually saying so in a way that could get you or your contacts in trouble. That way resistance is encouraged, while the zealots can only fume impotently.
And no, it’s not a concern that the others mentioned might feel implicated by the omission. If they feel that then they can say that they did not break the rules.
Perhaps Toby will say that he believes in following the laws even while fighting them, but that does not sit well with his overall attitude here, imo.
For Toby to give them credence in this way makes him look a bit weak and hypocritical to me.
Do you recognise irony at all?
Irony’s often hard to spot in writing. Is that what you think this was?
Yes I do.
OK, well it’s a valid interpretation – you might be right, obviously. All i can say is that’s not how I read it and I’m not unusually insensitive in such matters. Perhaps it’s clearer in the context of the full article.
I try to refrain from even using the infantile language of COVID. It’s really annoying hearing grown adults using silly phrases like ‘support bubble’.
Absolutely agree Mark! TY is an old enough hand to know that you have to franticly signal ‘irony’ if you want it understood as such online.
Anyway… he hasn’t written the blog himself for 9 days so exactly what is he up to in his shed? (Do we really want to know?) AG
If we are wrong on this interpretation, then it’s definitely time for those like Toby with media platforms to drop any attempts at ironic humour and start signalling non-compliance, even if in a superficially deniable manner.
“exactly what is he up to in his shed? “
Probably doing some paid work….
Living the Ed Reardon dream?
“socially distanced of course”
That sort of add on. Grim.
Has Toby attended a protest? Maybe time to take the plunge
Yes, Delingpole has been a lot more manly about the whole thing, if not necessarily more effective.
Watch JDs latest podcast with Patrick M Wood. All about the Trilateral Commission, Technocracy history, David Rockefeller.
Well, I don’t like SAGE but ultimately it is the PM and the Cabinet who should have asked for an analysis of the economic, societal, health, educational effects of the lockdowns. That’s what they are there for.
They are all Globalist enthusiasts so it doesn’t matter where they get their analyses.
Richard Tice on Talkradio chipping away at the credibility of the PCR test. This is the way to go.
They tell us not to sing, not to have carol services, then sit in Parliament laughing with their mouths wide open, they clean seats between customers, they file into Parliament consecutively, one rs off one rs off without a cloth in sight. While the sheep carry on blindly obeying.
I do my best to remember to sing as I walk down the road to get my bus. My singing voice is terrible but I like to do it since it’s prohibited.
Is the CRG what counts as a rebellion these days? I mean there’s a chance half of them won’t even vote against, they just want a bit more paperwork! It’s the biggest loss of our liberties in human memory. It calls for revolution not a few awkward questions.
The CRG are the worst of them all. Trying to sit on the fence whilst they vote in consensus.
I don’t agree I think they are the voice of sanity in Parliament and are at least mobilising and asking the right questions. More than the non existent opposition is doing.
A fair point and very charitable of you but they are merely tinkering at the edges. Arguing about which tier to be in plays into the enemy’s hands; the argument should be about whether to have tiers at all.
I (and lots of people) want them scrapped completely.
Agreed Stephano but at least it’s organised and putting up resistance.
I appreciate your point but to me they want their cake and eat it. Kid on they care but vote hand in mouth with the government.
Most of them just want tier changes for their own constituencies or will be bought off that way. It’s why bozo set the starting gate so high.
s time to call this out. Lockdowns are murderous in their intent and murderous in effect. Perhaps, those who
initiated the first Lockdowns were easily manipulated and very stupid. But they did it again in full awareness of the consequences. That is active evil- pure and simple.
Lockdowns kill granny and grandad and will eventually kill tens of millions of perfectly healthy people. They are psychopathic culling machines. Tell that to anyone who tries to guilt trip you into wearing a mask.
Lockdowns do kill granny and grandad and they have the extra ingredient of making the last months and years of their lives absolutely miserable.
And there’s the scandal of the Liverpool Care Pathway deaths
I saw this today on Right Said Fred’s Twitter account. It all makes sense. The Great Reset is predatory. A replay of previous banking crashes where small businesses have collapsed and millionaire tycoons have bought them up cheap. Easy pickings
Right now in Canada small business are being closed for public health reasons (Covid) and the Government is offering to take them over (who will own them?)
They are completely changing the finance and business system to give the state and central banks more control. It really is a complete scam and no doubt there will be plenty of crony capitalism which is partly why the well connected financial journalists don’t condemn it.
Exactly. I’m guessing a tiny group of unknown multi-billionaires are feasting off of the spoils of Covid collateral
They have to be whether there’s a conspiracy or not. It’s just what those people do. No amount of money or influence is enough for them.
This whole scam started in the 1920’s with the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank. The whole financial system has been rigged since the beginning of the 20th century. Once you understand the game you can make money. But the system was bound to crash sooner or later. Now would be as good a time as any.
Hence why they don’t teach it in school, don’t want the plebs finding out!
Only temporary.
Surprise! It’s payback time.
Their cronies.
Same that happened in Zimbabwe years ago: chuck farmers off productive land, workers lost their jobs and Government cronies got these farms just to run them in the ground.
In this case get given a lucrative business build on the sweat and tears of the previous owners who were prohibited from running their own businesses
It’s terrible what’s happening in Canada right now. Canadian police seemingly have no conscience or shame when it comes to destroying people’s livelihoods
https://twitter.com/JaniceFiamengo/status/1332112037636292612?s=20
High street banks were doing that for years, they got called out on it by the press but I don’t know if they were penalised for it
Great post.
London demo tomorrow (Saturday) 12 noon at Kings Cross station concourse. Bring pots and pans and joy at joining together and making noise for freedom.
Careful the militia don’t classify cooking utensils as offensive weapons.
I reposted this because the first post was incomplete. This is the full version:
It’s time to call this out. Lockdowns are murderous in their intent and murderous in effect. Perhaps, those who
initiated the first Lockdowns were easily manipulated and very stupid. But they did it again in full awareness of the consequences. That is active evil- pure and simple.
Lockdowns kill granny and grandad and will eventually kill tens of millions of perfectly healthy people. They are psychopathic culling machines. Tell that to anyone who tries to guilt trip you into wearing a mask.
The whole problem with the opposition is the ‘presumption of goodwill’ fallacy. I realise that many people on this site have gone beyond that but most of the official mainstream resistance is assuming that reasoning with these psychopaths will have an impact. It won’t. Recognising that you are dealing with people who are wilfully evil is very hard for us. When you start to see it the first response is usually terror/helplessness. Most people cannot cope with this so go into shock. Eventually enough people can cope and start to respond effectively. That is what happened during the late 1930’s. There are so many similarities now to what happened then. The same strategy of Blitzkrieg. The same bewildered chaotic response when you recognise appeasement doesn’t work. Except this time the assault is worldwide and its psychological.
I do agree. We have a lot of distraction with questions of ‘what sort of lockdown there should be’. Obviously, the answer is NONE, if we’re to get some sense of balance again. But that’s the LAST thing the fat controllers want.
The NWO to asset strip countries
China beat them to it in many countries.
Bear with me on this one …
I have 2 young cats, they’re 6 months old,still quite small, but are desperate to explore outside.
As their owner I can see considerable risk, particular with the amount of foxes who frequent my garden, I think they at serious risk of attacks …
I reasoned to myself however that curtailing their freedom and stopping them living a natural life, would be a lot crueller than keeping them in because I am worried about their safety.
Now, I’m sure the risk of death at this stage is higher in my cats than the risk to humans of covid but I value their right to a natural life, their independence and freedom so, weighing everything up, I think it is right to let them outside.
I hope people can see the analogy with the current situation. Are we treating humans with more contempt than animals, are we really valuing life?
I read some years ago that the average age that parents now allow their offspring to go out unaccompanied is 15 years old.
Ye gods, I cannot remember a time that I was not out and about with my mates.
Best description I’ve seen of Witless and Unbalanaced from the Mail comments section:
Near Wuhan.
Harriet Baldwin, who voted FOR it, then immediately joined the CRG:
”….I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus…”
These arrogant people really think we’re stupid enough to believe this guff. As if a ”strategy” couldn’t have been ”developed” without banging everyone up. But then, they won’t suffer with the rest of us, will they?
I am utterly sickened by this hypocrisy. She is my MP – and I always rated her quite highly. No longer. I won’t vote for her again.
(And the CRG doesn’t promise much in the way of common sense – merely arguing about whether lockdowns should be this, that or the other. Nothing about the fact that for the country to recover from them they must be STOPPED NOW.
Can I just she needs credit for having realised her error and will now vote against. At least she’s thinking.
I’d really like to believe that, Jo. I’d much rather see the best in people. But she’s not exactly in the ”suffering” bracket, is she? That’s bound to influence anyone’s ”thinking”.
This was exquisite – well done for raising a laugh. Yesterday was by turns infuriating and deeply depressing – we seem to be slipping into malign government. The latter observation is reinforced when I hear the supercilious and patronising tones of Messrs Hancock and Jennrick on the wireless. Keep up the good work Toby and team.
I attended my neighbours funeral on Wednesday. It was held in a large church in my home town. My neighbour died from a brain tumour which has been killing him for the past two years. His hospital treatment was suspended for three months when ‘the virus’ broke loose and all NHS services were shut down. He was dyeing anyway but he may have had a few extra weeks or months if he had had continuous care—who knows.
I was the only person in the church without a mask. On entry the vicar asked me if I would wear one and I told him I was exempt. To his credit he accepted this graciously. All the pall bearers and church officials wore masks (which were of course BLACK and up to the eyes) as did the mourners who numbered around thirty, this being the maximum permitted.
There was no singing and everyone was far apart although the grieving widow did have a close relative sitting next to her and offering comfort. The vicar said at the start that those who were wearing masks should wear them properly throughout the service apart from the three addressees who could remove them whilst speaking at the lectern. In between each address a church assistant came to the lectern and sprayed it with disinfectant. This was, presumably, to make sure that Covid was not passed on from the previous speakers notes. It was also made clear that when the service was over we should all disperse with no ‘gathering’ outside the church.
There were prayers and music and I have to say that the vicar did his best to make the whole proceedings go as well as could be under the circumstances. He seemed a genuinely nice person and I’m sure he is, but in his black outfit and mask, to me, he looked like the vicar from hell.
I’m not particularly religious myself but when he recited words from Mark’s letter to the Corinthians about love being the most important thing there is my inner feelings were of disbelief as to what was actually happening and an awareness of the total hypocrisy that was unfolding before my very eyes.
As I said previously, I’m not particularly religious but to me I couldn’t help but feel that whilst we were supposedly in a house of God there was an element of the anti Christ in there. Suffice to say it was a service I won’t forget in a hurry.
‘An enemy has done this.’
Insightful comment.
A funeral for a human who was loved – and a funeral for freedom and humanity
Beethoven’s Third Symphony, Second Movement.
Religions are already great at cult like ritual. No great step change for them.
But they have bowed down to a greater cult now and one that seems at least as sinister as Christianity at its worst. Black masks – ugh! MW
A difficulty I have is that those who self identify as Christians are woefully ignorant of their own scriptures that they claim is their foundation. Take this for example:
‘Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world’.
How do those who self identify as Christians match up?
It is interesting that there is no instance in the New Testament that the disciples explicitly self identified as Christians.
It seems to me that Christianity as such is a sophistry far removed from the doctrine and example of Jesus of Nazareth. I doubt very much that he would be welcome in the established churches, they might even crucify him afresh and possibly do every day, metaphorically speaking.
It seems to me that organised, ritualistic religion and party politics is a lethal combination which I think is attested in history. It is this unholy amalgam of Pharisaic, Herodian and Sadducean ideologies that culminated in the execution of the Christ. Anglican bishops bless their troops, German Lutheran priest bless theirs. Most everyone wants to think that God is on their side.
End of my rant, a little off topic I’ll admit
It is interesting that there is no instance in the New Testament that the disciples explicitly self identified as Christians.
That’s because they were Jews. My understanding is that the followers of Jesus weren’t kicked out of the synagogues til around 70AD and only then did ‘Christianity’ get going.
AG
Fair point, thankyou.
ALL religions have as their basic tenet—‘love thy neighbour’ and ‘do as you would be done by’. Most regular church goers that I know only practice this up to a point. For example: A couple of years ago we had a homeless man pitch his tent on grass adjoining our small estate. One or two of us tried to help him as best as we could with food, clothes and the like. Others, among them regular Sunday worshippers, wanted him gone PDQ and one even rang the police to get rid of him.
I’m afraid I don’t see much ‘do as you would be done by’ by those professing to be ‘Christian’ but perhaps that just me.
Except arguably the rituals of the church are supposed to be an aid to life-affirming and enhancing thoughts and feelings
That sounds like a chilling experience. The Churches seem to think love comes in a nicely wrapped box and empty words. Always astounding hypocrisy when people are in greatest need
I agree with the article that we should be looking at age standardised mortality in doing mortality comparisons, that is taking out the affects of population growth and population aging.
The actuaries do this in their cumulative graph, but what that doesn’t show, at least not in a clear way, is the current affect on mortality, rather than the cumulative affect over the year.
I produced my own chart of all cause deaths based on the ONS monthly age standardised mortality publication. My chart is attached (for England only, I only realised later combined data with Wales also is available)
What you can see is that there was a significant spike in mortality around April of course. But then standardised mortality fell below the 5 year average, as the April pandemic had brought forward some deaths that would have occurred a few months or so later. And for October mortality is about normal, about 1.2% above the normal for October. My estimate for November is that standardised mortality will be about 10-12% above the 5 year average.
Given that there are excess deaths occurring because of the disastrous lockdowns, then a 1.2% excess for October and potentially something like 10% for November isn’t really abnormal in terms of all cause deaths.
I split the data into males and females, because we know at the height of the pandemic in April, a disproportionate number of covid-19 deaths were male and we can exploit that to try and identify what is happening now. After April male deaths in May, June, July and August were relatively lower than female deaths. Again this shows that a disproportionate number of male deaths were brought forward by the pandemic in April. But now it looks like the male % of excess deaths in October has sneaked just above the female % of excess deaths but both are small so conclusions can’t really be drawn. Perhaps because the male % is higher again this is reflective of the secondary ripple of deaths in areas which weren’t so hard hit in the first wave such as the North West. Will be interesting what the figure is for November. If the female excess figure in November isn’t higher/much higher than the male % figure then that may tell us that many/most/all of what are relatively few excess deaths are indirect deaths from the lockdowns, on the assumption that lockdown kills males and females more evenly than covid perhaps.
That’s very interesting. The trouble is – this is no longer about a virus that is no danger to the vast majority of us. It’s a convenient tool for manipulation and control.
I agree. But good data analysis can be helpful in persuading others who haven’t as yet quite been able to work out what is really going on, but who aren’t of a completely closed mind.
My most successful comments on local newspaper websites, have where I have been able to counter scaremongering with simple verifiable facts with clear sources. Replying to the ‘but can’t you see our hospital admissions are rising, we must lockdown’ with simple local data showing local bed occupancy is below the seasonal average, and admissions are falling, works very well.
And here is the corresponding graph from 2015 to 2019 to put the 2020 graph in context.
It’s not uncommon for mortality to spike upwards by say 15% in a month reflecting that seasonal increases don’t always happen at the exact same time in Winter, and so sometimes figures will be above the average and sometimes below.
So April 2020 was quite an unusual spike (at least vs most recent years) but the increase now is completely in the normal range.
How common is it to be more interested in comments under newspaper articles than the articles themselves?
We are all looking for signs of rebellion. It is coming.
Pretty common I’d say. The articles are often predictable, the comments less so (except in rigidly controlled forums such as the Guardian, obviously.)
Often more important that the article. It’s a gauge of opinion.
I generally skim the article and go straight to the commends, like leggy says it seems a good way to judge public opinion (as long as you look at comments from all sides of the argument).
Quite natural given the very low quality of what passes for journalism these days
Always for me.
Boris Johnson ‘overruled calls from Michael Gove to put London in Tier 3’ after Tory MPs warned of economic meltdown in the capital
By JAMES TAPSFIELD, POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 08:58, 27 November 2020 | UPDATED: 10:55, 27 November 2020
I certainly feel vindicated in my opinion of Gove. Though he’s on “my side” politically, I’ve always viewed him, personally, as basically unhinged. This was something I observed on foreign policy during the attempts to drag us more openly into the Syria disaster, where his opinions are batshit neocon warmonger crazy. Now it’s clear his zealotry extends to domestic policy, in his pushing of the radical coronapanic lunacy.
I warned people of his underlying basic irrationality when he was touted for the “Conservative” Party leadership – Gove as PM would have been a disaster, quite capable of doing more damage than Blair did, even without the opportunity for self-harm provided by the coronapanic.
Hopefully his coming out as a full on panicker will end his career.
Haven’t really noticed Vine’s stuff much. But I imagine these power couples have structures in place to manage political differences. This one has the potential to get pretty vicious though….
If this story is true it indicates that the PM has a minute sliver of political sense left in that thick skull of his
Indeed though it’s evidence at most for a minimal level of low political cunning based on self-preservation
Was Gove doing this in an attempt to undermine Johnson? Get Johnson to destroy London and blame him when the putsch happens?
Doubt it. All the evidence we’ve seen so far suggests Gove has been one of the major panickers at the heart of government. Why look for some kind of contorted reading of this just to try to evade that reality?
Never forget. Never forgive.
How much time per day do you spend reading news, lockdown, about covid etc?
You first.
Too much!
Hours and hours. Because my life has been destroyed and a friend has become suicidal from lockdown. I need to know there’s a reason to live. What I’m seeing with politicians and blue ticks working as controlled opposition, giving false hope to millions of desperate people makes me sick to my stomach. Prison guards are waving the keys over our heads and laughing
Yeah I am engrossed too but not for such tragic reasons. Sorry for your loss.
However your feelings resonate for me. I am always searching for the positives through a sea of dark waters. So I end up reading tonnes of stuff.
Jamie, my heart goes out to you and your friend. There is a reason to live; we have been given the task to fight this evil and we must do it for the sake of the men and boys who were told that they were going to war for our freedoms. So many of them died and I will not let these evil people steal those hard won freedoms. Take up your anger, your despair and dig deep for your courage because we have to win this battle.
Find your happy place and build back better.
25 hours or there abouts.
8 days a week?
Too often but trying to find the good news.
I confess that I do spend ages, but if it arms me with the evidence, facts and figures that I need to hammer the lockdown zealots into the ground in any argument, then it is time well spent.
I have changed my tack a little though. Instead of writing to my MP, I am putting comments on his Facebook page where everyone can read them. Likewise I am spending more time educating the folks who post on my local paper’s site. I know that on here I am preaching to the converted, whereas there, there is much work to be done.
Why do more people not want to have an exemption lanyard,what’s with the mask wearing. It clearly states in the gov.uk rules that they are ‘allowed’ even if you think you would feel panicky.
Because they’ve been primed to believe that the alternative to feeling panicky while muzzled is killing people. Which is a pretty panic-inducing thought in itself if you believe it!
Herd mentality probably, others have reported wearers admitting it’s bollocks but still complying. Also stories of them taking it off if others aren’t with little/no enforcement.
I simply don’t go anywhere that requires a mask, which can be a bit limiting but doesn’t bother me too much as being in a place full of masked people isn’t that appealing
I appreciate not everyone has the option to do this
For me, it’s my basic honesty – I am not exempt. The law they have made causes me severe distress because it is wrong, but I cannot honestly say that wearing a mask would cause me severe distress in the way that they intended the law to be read. In this case, the honesty is probably not useful and should be overridden by anger.
It causes me severe moral distress, because it is acting a lie. Therefore I am exempt. I have no idea if this is how they intended the law to be read. I can’t read their minds. I’m not a Parliamentary draughtsman.
Exactly. It is the same as compelled speech which is illegal in this country.
If it causes you distress then you are exempt. That’s all there is to it. If I believed they worked I’d minimise my visits to places needing them but wear one. I don’t have to though because I know they don’t work.
But how do you know how they intended the law to be read?
It was drafted the way it is because it was intended to be voluntary: you can see this by the fact that no evidence, let alone proof, is required. Whether or not a person is exempt is a matter of self identification. If you self identify as exempt, you are exempt.
‘probably’ ?! good grief, Julian, smell that coffee.
If you don’t feel that ‘distress’ would be honest, I would suggest ‘risk of harm’.
i reckon the sheeple just dont even think about it anymore. On my Aldi trip this morning everyone shopping their was masked. I wasnt – as usual ….and nobody was concerned .
Indeed.
Many supermarkets do not police masks but people still wear them. Am the only non-masked when going to the local Morissons
Told the cashier at the local village shop that she either chucks me out or serve me. If she chucks me out that obviously I will never be back (it was this ‘i am only suppose to serve me when you have a mask). She served me.
Many small businesses are clueless about the regulations (yes I know it changes on a daily basis) and contribute too their own demise
Posted something similar yesterday about a back street cafe near where I work that’s normally rammed every time I go in.
Currently, they have a sign in the window – “no mask, no service”. They are empty every time I pass now. Madness!
The weird thing is even if you explain exemptions they still don’t believe you.. bonkers!
For those of you with a Marvel bent:
We are watching the rise of Hydra. We are the Avengers.
Dick Dastardly and Muttley
Bit early for the c word but still just as apt.
If it’s not too early for (han)Cock it’s not too early for the female c(o)unterpart.
Then let me.. fucking cunts.
Oh yes, spot on!
Truly shocking.
Their mouths are wide open too, like they are when singing!
Spewing droplets in the air.
That’s not 2 meters.
Richard Tice talking sense on talk radio’s Mike Graham show .He is on the case about the P C R tests again ,calling for people to be tested with the lateral flow test as well and compare results and the court case in Portugal .Also watched Ian Duncan Smith on J H Brewer , he seems like a man at the end of his patience with his own government and can’t even be bothered to hide it . I think it will be a case of get Brexit sorted one way or another and then Johnson is finished in the new year .If the Tories want a future Johnson must go and they know it .
No Deal Brexit is done isn’t it?
Well as i see it there with be a trade deal or we get a W T O exit . When one of these happens Johnson is then not required and will be removed .He is a spent force who is damaging the Tory brand .
i heard Tice also and he talks so much sense. I wish his new party would start to speak up more now to challenge johnson and the mps before it is too late. We cannot keep this yoyo state of affairs based on crackpot science and false data – need action now!
As i have said i believe they are waiting to see what the Brexit deal is .Then he will be removed.
Not denied – you couldn’t make it up:
Exclusive: No.10 ‘Demanded UK Flag Be Printed On Oxford Vaccine Doses’ | HuffPost UK (huffingtonpost.co.uk)
Not going very well though, and methinks my alma mater will be needing to distance itself from this team of researchers pretty soon!
Of course the selection of a vaccine and decisions around it will be based on the science and public health ,not politics
Yes, not looking good is it?
And to think little Matty ‘Manchild’ Hancock overrode his officials and ordered insane quantities.
If it were any other country we’d be calling it a banana republic, failed state or any number of other epithets.
At least your alma mater is Oxford. Mine is Imperial, think how I feel!
must be embarrassing for you and your estimated 20000 children
It was only out by a factor of 10.
I console myself by telling people that it was a long time ago and we were taught real science not soothsaying.
TT and Steph: Between you, you make me glad I’m a Cambridge linguist!
I’ve just seen a bunch of young lads dressed up against the chill heading up to the skate park.
Presumably they will be ‘isolating at home’ because one of their classmates had a runny nose.
They probably have a rota and take it in turns at feeling poorly.
A friend of mind has sent me this:
Indeed, many people have trying to warn of the loss of such a world for years and have received no thanks, merely opprobrium.
I would place loss of trust high on that list.
That’s a brilliant post. I feel the same. I take solace in ‘old fashioned’ pastimes like sewing, gardening and cooking. I read books and am decorating. I don’t watch or listen to the MSM. This current malaise is not the real world anyway, as many are soon to find out. When the shit hits the fan it will be those of us who know how to survive bleak times and hardship – those of who have practical skills – who will survive.
Radio 3 is a brilliant Radio Station for this.
Absolutely! So few news bulletins, so much lovely music and intelligent comment; it is possible to distance oneself temporarily from the Madness.
I’m not in the best of moods at the moment and really should have thought twice before browsing the Guardian this morning. One of their columnists, writing a piece about “getting back to normal”, says “Such is the sensation brought on by looking forward to next year and the inevitable resumption of something like normal life. There are so many things to run towards gladly: being able to travel and see my family again; simple pleasures such as meeting friends for a drink without wondering if it’s an indulgence that will kill me; having my kids actually go to school; reading the news without keening at the death tolls and the image of people dying alone in Covid wards.”
For fuck’s sake! What kind of world do we live in were supposedly educated and informed people churn out shite like this. Does this silly woman wonder whether she should ever leave the house in case a) a tree falls on her head b) she gets run over by a car or c) she is murdered? I suspect the chances of all three are far greater than her dying of covid through meeting a friend. And what death tolls exactly is she talking about here? Does she look at the statistics? Does she think that people who are already seriously ill and over 85 should be prioritized above the lives of much younger people who are not getting cancer screening, diagnoses and treatment Get a grip you ridiculous arse!
They haven’t read Schwab’s book. “A lot of us are pondering when we can get back to normal. The short response is; never.”
‘Quoth the Raven never more’.
It’s a wonder she manages to exist inside her house. Lethal dangers lurk in every corner … roast potatoes, for a start.
Cutlers are stepping up the production of serving spoons.
The army logistics corps will distribute them.
All hail, and praise be! Christmas dinner is saved!
“Lethal dangers lurk in every corner..” absolutely true. Long time ago, I knew of someone who died as a result of a beta-carotene problem. So beware next time you’re in a Supermarket, or take a walk around someone’s vegetable patch. that carrot could be deadly.
What about severe weather.. icy pavements etc.
This drivel is to be expected from the Groan. Steer well clear for the sake of your own sanity.
It seems to have turned into the official Govt propaganda rag alongside The Sun. No more no less.
Johnson wrote that piece about Freedom and what he would do if asked for ID, they are all liars, story tellers.
What about keening over the other 1000+ people who are dying every day? Why only the covid deaths?
I’ve been wearing a visor when doing my shopping at Waitrose since the mask mandate was introduced. All the time I’ve wished I had the courage to just brazen it out bare-faced, but with every other shopper obediently muzzled as well as all but one or two of the staff, I’ve struggled with the thought that I would be perceived as the irresponsible, far-right extremist, grandma-killer, so it has felt like the lesser of two evils to don the visor. Today, I was determined I would “be the change I want to see” and just go for it – I’ve been psyching myself up all week for this. My new found confidence took a knock when the first thing I saw on my Facebook news feed was this post shared on one of the community groups I’m in. I’ll copy and paste the text below for those who don’t have FB but if you go to the actual post you’ll be able to see the accompanying doe-eyed photo and the fact it has over 7.6K likes and 2.4K adoring comments, including many expressing their heartfelt disapproval of those who don’t follow the rules re. masks and social distancing. It’s just so depressing that this is the degree of social and emotional manipulation we are up against:
https://www.facebook.com/mollyelizabeth.francis/posts/3586389841403769
“As I am sitting here this afternoon I am reflecting back on this past week. My first shift of three, I got to work to find out I was being floated to the covid unit. Okay. Deep breath. Nothing I haven’t already been through.
As I got to the unit, you could feel a shift in the energy that I have not felt for a few months now. I grabbed my PPE, found my assignment and without hesitation the charge nurse saw me and said your patient in room ** is dying. Just like that. These nurses see this every day and covid has normalized this for some. I had such a pit in my stomach knowing that out of my five patients one could die with just me by their side that night. These patients are scared. As a nurse, there is no worse feeling than feeling hopeless when you have done all you can do & have your patient tell you all they want now is for it to be over so they can go home.
After an extremely long night, I went to the bathroom and cried for the first time in my year of nursing. I cried because I know so many people that are no longer taking masking and social distancing seriously. I cried because this illness is affecting those of all age groups. I cried because covid isn’t just getting worse, it already is worse. We are seeing a spike in cases now just as bad as we did in March. The people were applauding healthcare workers a few months ago and now I see those same people saying it’s okay to get together in groups for the holidays. I know it isn’t easy not seeing your family and loved ones especially this time of year, but I can assure you it won’t be any easier from a hospital room with very little other human contact. On behalf of healthcare workers, we can’t fight this alone. We need our communities to come together and put the greater good first.
We are your nurses. We are fighting but we are tired. Please do your part and we will do ours”
Hello 77th. MW
Miriam, with respect I think you need to read my post a bit more carefully. The first paragraph is me speaking as someone who has been an arch sceptic since day one but, nevertheless, finds it difficult not to feel extremely uncomfortable at the division that has been caused by all of this and the fact that there are many people out there who have been manipulated into, not just believing that there is a deadly virus out there, but that it is all the fault of the ‘rule-breakers’ that we can’t go back to normal anytime soon. I’m well aware that there is all kinds of manipulation going on on Facebook and I try and look for evidence that posts, like the one I linked to here, are the work of the 77th Brigade, but it is not always obvious or easy to prove.
Nevertheless FB is a double edged sword, for all the crap like this there is also soe great opportunities for networking with like-minds (until the groups inevititably get shut-down). For example, as an NHS worker myself I’ve been able to join the group ‘NHS worker for choice….’ group, which has come as a massive relief to finally be able to hear other NHS employees voice their concerns and scepticism. p.s. I hope you have a tasty hat!
Friend, ally and colleague, do not let yourself be manipulated. You are not responsible for alleged Covviedeaths or shilling, emoting nurses. Would you stop driving you car through town because some halfwit might conceivably run in front of you and get himself killed?
Show your face, smile, be human. If the zombies don’t like it they can run away.
If that post is genuine (I’d eat my hat if it is) I would further advise their getting off Arsebook and not wasting our time by re-posting such fear-porning drivel on here. MW
Oh, am I a sucker?
Wouldn’t be the first time.
And I call myself a sceptic!
You are a sceptic, Annie, you really are. It speaks well for you that your default setting is compassion!
MW
Thanks Annie, I know I should have the resolve to stick to my guns and not let this kind of emotional clap-trap get to me but I do find it difficult as I’m a sensitive soul at the best of times and have always hated anything that makes me stand out from the crowd. Yours is a good analogy though – I will do my best to remember that in case I get challenged by another shopper.
Propaganda, methinks.
Emotive claptrap.
Seems rather odd when we are constantly told that NHS staff are not allowed to express views in the media and social media
Only the correct ones.
For which the corporate media give them as big a platform as they could wish for.
I’ve read this kind of post before. It smacks of a carefully crafted 77th Brigade offering. I ignore them. I come from a medical family and they know that masks for the general publish don’t stop viruses. They don’t stop viruses for surgeons. Ignore it. There’s a war on for our minds, and I’ve often thought that this sort of post, which is frequently shared by the virtue-signalling general population, is unlikely to have originated by a nurse.
Well done on steeling your resolve and going shopping with a smile. The more of us who do that, the more people will start to ask why they are doing them too. Masks don’t do anything except signal compliance, and they cause far more harm than good.
Yes it does – the old ‘tug at the heartstrings’ stuff.
I looked carefully to the profile to see if I could find any evidence that it is fake but it’s not that obvious if it is (it appears to have been set up several years ago). I did a reverse image search on the photo, but that came up with nothing. It’s exasperating as I’d love to be able to demonstrate that this is not what it appears to be. Although I suspect that would not be enough to convince the thousands of people who like/share these kinds of posts.
Fruitbat the person posting that is an American nurse.
The facebook profile states she is from Dublin
If you are that soft hearted you shouldn’t be in medicine. Patients die. It happens. Deal with it.
Exactly. However this is just propaganda.
From my perspective having worked in A&E and on the wards, including student placements. I came across unexpected death very early on in those placements. However, in A&E it is very difficult not to be affected by the unexpected deaths of young patients including infants, this doesn’t make you soft hearted but human. You do have to be resilient, I applied for a job in a different trust but didn’t get it, because I showed my emotions when I discussed the failed attempt to resuscitate a young baby.
Just to clarify, this is a post copied from Facebook. What is disturbing is how many postive responses stuff like this gets from the general public. Nothing remotely sceptical ever gets this kind of reponse. It is very frustrating how easily people are being played.
Bollox. Not to you but this pathetic drivel. Maybe she should cry for all those killing themselves or dying of untreated cancer. I am angry, really angry.
I know, it makes me furious too. I know a lot of these posts are likely to be fake propaganda but I also think there are people who actualy write this stuff for real because, not only do they actually believe what they are saying is true, but because it gets them so much attention from the doting general public.
You could well be right. It’s perhaps an exercise in virtue signalling for them – “Look at me. I’m soooo compassionate”.
This kind of made up drivel is common on facebook, etc and is designed to knock confidence in our own rational observations.
I hope you got to go out shopping barefaced, Fruitbat, and it reinforces your courage
Thank you! You’ve helped strengthen my resolve to hit the supermarket later with a bare face and a smile!
Nurse working in hospital during the winter nurses dying patients with a virus, what a shocker, does she not know this is what it’s normally like at this time of year, I wonder why she decided to go into nursing if she cant cope with this!
Yeah, I’m not going to give up my freedom and prosperity as well as that of my children because a nurse on the internet is upset. Those Facebook posts are irritating and aimed at idiots.
That looks like pure emotional manipulation to me. I would take that with an enormous pinch of salt. Be brave. Go for it. No customer has ever challenged me and I often have pleasant conversations with people who are fully muzzled up. I’ve only been asked on the door of a shop 3 times since these vile gags were made mandatory and always say, with a beaming smile, ‘I’m exempt’, and walk in with no bother.
Thanks Lili, that’s very encouraging. I feel strenthened in my resolve to give it a go.
Fruitbat, I recommend a career change – yoga teacher for all those individuals on full pay working from home?
Just to clarify, this is a post copied from Facebook. What is disturbing is how many postive responses stuff like this gets from the general public. Nothing remotely sceptical ever gets this kind of reponse. It is very frustrating how easily people are being played.
“We are your nurses. We are fighting but we are tired. Please do your part and we will do ours”
Like a soldier who becomes a conscientious objector upon the declaration of war, any “nurse” who doesn’t understand that there will be times when the going gets tough needs an alternative career.
Whether this is true or not is not relevant
It’s anecdotal
Public health decisions must be made on the balance of evidence based on objective measures that balance harms and benefits
You can attack or justify almost anything on the basis of a single incident
Anyway, there’s no evidence that masks make any difference
apparently last night they lit up the Shard in tribute to the NHS. it is propaganda . like this facebook posting
and reading that tale she says “These patients are scared” of course they are. the most likely place for anyone to catch proper covid (and actually be ill from it) is hospital. Imagine – you go in for an ingrowing toenail and die of covid
Sounds like 77th brigade nudging.
A real nurse would see people dying every shift. Its normal.
So I call 77th propaganda.
Wearing a mask will not protect granny or anyone else.
Most of us know no one who has even had covid, therefore, it doesnt scare us. I know more people who have had cancer, who have died from cancer, but life has to go on, you can’t hide away, life is too short.
Courage, Fruitbat. Take off your mask. Do it in Waitrose, because that’s where I shop twice a week. I am never wearing a mask, and I am always alone in that. I look for other people with faces and I never see a single soul. If you took off your mask next time you’re there, we could smile at each other jubilantly.
Thanks Alethea, thats really good to hear. I feel much more encoraged to go for it now!
Charge nurse, assignment. Yanks.
I passed by the bank yesterday and saw two women smoking outside. After finishing they dutifully put on their masks went inside the bank and made sure to sanitise their hands.
Just seemed a bit surreal to me.
People who work in bank must be bored shitless, no customers at all, all day every day, and the few they see are face-nappy zombies. What a life.
Smoking fags then wearing a face nappy, because you are worried about catching covids insane.
Smokers are much more likely to die from smoking than covids.
Did SAGE tell you that, 2-6 ?
I would think SAGE actively encourage smoking. It will boost the death rates
There’s a term for a self-validating argument, but the nicotine has destroyed my brain so I can’t remember it.
Politicians, SAGE, academia, the media, the NHS, all disapprove of smoking. You reckon they tell the truth about some things, but not others ?
West Midlands Police at it again . I posted about this late last night so not all may have seen it. The DM version is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8992649/Maskless-Farmfoods-customer-rows-police-issue-fine-despite-claims-exempt.html
I’ve printer out the exact guidance page so if I am ever stopped I will just quote that. They don’t have any comeback from that.
Good advice. MW
This is probably lazy journalists mining social media for ‘content’. I still think it’s a fake but even if it’s not, it’s spreading disinformation. You do not need to carry or show anything to show you are exempt and there is no such thing as a ‘real certificate’. If you want an exemption, look ATL and download and print one of the templates including the Government’s. Why does this video not show her exemption card?
In the unlikely event that some thick copper gives you a FPN, don’t pay it. If it came to court it would get thrown out. MW
I carry the government website list of exemptions with me. I have one of the cards from the website but I’m not going to use it. I’ve never had to but I won’t now as a matter of principle.
That’s what we do too. A kind of ‘just in case’ precaution which, so far, we’ve not needed. The way we feel now, we would rather make yellow stars and wear them! MW
I know how a vaccine works. You take the vaccine and it gives your body protection against the virus. So – and follow me closely here – the vaccine comes first. Then the virus.
But in this case we have had the virus. So the virus came first. Then – only then – do we have the vaccine. So can someone explain to me, what is the vaccine actually for?
Covering the govt’s arse and making it look like lockdowns are justified. Also making a fat dollar for the pharmaceutical companies.
What the fuck, is this real??
https://mobile.twitter.com/YesThatAnna/status/1332111946255118338
That’s next year’s Spanish holiday cancelled.
Coming to a high street near you.
Unfortunately, I suspect there will be more and more until simeone dies. There is a clear and planned escalation of violence against citizens. When do we stop accepting it? Friends of ours have already cancelled a 60th birthday meal due top Boris’s plans for next month despite the fact that none of us has the slightest health issue. They’re just obeying, sad..
OMG, don’t click this, wish I hadn’t.
Tobias Elwood on the Jeremy Vine show explaining how tiers are essential but how his constituency, Bournemouth East, should be in tier 1.
In a bit Suzy Quattro will be telling Jeremy how she Survived the Covid she caught in the second wave !
Apparently it was because of her big lungs !
Arise, Sir Tobias!
Arse, Sir Tobias!
That’s weird as for the past 9 months she has been posting pointless gigs of her pretending to sing from her big mansion on YouTube.
Fact check, I’m getting her mixed up with Toyah Willcox. Both equally as bad though
He’s my MP. If he had any ballsack he would declare Bournemouth East a sanctuary zone.
Ellwood is 77b, what’s his game???
Covering his own arse by protecting his constituency.
Anthem For Doomed Politicians
What passing bells for those who vote as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the rabble.
Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle
Can snuff out their hasty useless prattle.
(apologies to Wilfred Owen)
The sands of time are running out for the bastards doing this to us all. Tick-tock, tick-tock…
They’re not doomed. They’re protected against the suffering they’re dishing out to us
Sensible siscussion on RT
https://www.rt.com/uk/507943-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-elderly-efficacy/
Cops ignore the law and issue fine on mask exempt person.
This must be escalated in visibility. I’m disgusted.
How to make cops enemies of the people…? – allow the top brass and the junior rank zealots to behave like junta state jack booted scum.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8992649/Maskless-Farmfoods-customer-rows-police-issue-fine-despite-claims-exempt.html
West Midlands Police, again. They have done this repeatedly and have had to issue public apologies for doing so. Each time they claim that their officers were acting ignorantly (although they do not use that word).
I’m with Miriam on this. It doesn’t ring true. I really hope it isn’t true. That force / service can’t be that terminally stupid.
From West Midlands Police website: https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store
Yes, that’s the earlier Sainsbury’s case which is why I hope they learned their lesson and did not repeat it at Farm Foods
On West Midlands Police Twitter they boast they are getting tough on people who do not wear masks in shops: https://twitter.com/wmpolice/status/1324397570249154571
I’m afraid most forces have now been politicised to a greater or lesser extent and are likely to have career idiots running them.
Like I have mentioned elsewhere on this board, with respect to potential politicians, I think police officers (and certainly the upper brass) must only be recruited from people who have had significant experience working in normal jobs with some experience of life as experienced by the people they seek to police.
Chief Constables should not be those fast-tracked to top jobs with little or no real experience of the organisations they seek to “manage”.
See my other post, below. This started on Arsebook and looks suspiciously like staged fear-porn against non-mask wearers. I would suggest that it is ignored as it’s counterproductive. MW
Indeed, looks like the work of the behaviour insights team. Best to completely switch off from MSM, if everyone ignored them the country would be a far better place.
I don’t think the PCs are actors or that the episode was staged by WMP but regardless the message has to come out that there are no official exemption cards or doctor’s notes and if someone says they are exempt, then that is that.
Maybe but I’m a bit suspicious that so many people have posted it on here separately over the last 2 days, complete with outraged comments and invitations to share. MW
Copy that. I don’t do MSM. Defunded BBC etc. Mrs
does scan daily mail online since they’ve done a bit of scepticism.
I’ll ignore it. Thank you for your advice.
I’m just remembering years ago when there weren’t enough police to tackle knife crime in London, and now all of a sudden there are numerous police officers persecuting innocent, law abiding citizens for breathing fresh air
That’s not policing – it’s brownshirt intimidation
What on Earth are these coppers playing at ? – so obviously a “power” thing I think.
Where did this mask fetish come from ?
Sue them.
So Wales had a lockdown (called a firebreak) to suppress the virus and it worked, so the Welsh government lifted the restrictions, but the Welsh people have been “behaving normally”, so the virus is “thriving”, and they must now have another lockdown to suppress the virus because it is “cruel”. According to Drakeford, all this is based on the advice of SAGE.
It worked did it?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/27-year-old-woman-killed-19212787
There are so many things that are wrong/absurd/mad with Drakeford’s claims that I frankly didn’t know where to start. For example, he appears to think that something that is not alive (the virus) has the capacity to thrive and has intentions and derives pleasure from inflicting suffering. Wales’ most senior politician, assuming he believes what he says he believes, is beyond delusional; and, according to him, he is getting all this (mis)information from the government’s scientific advisors.
he’s a politician, therefore a fuckwit. They all are. Seeking power should prohibit those people from attaining power. Perhaps going into politics should be treated as a civil duty like jury service? Choosing it as a career choice should be a huge red flag.
Selecting members of the public at random to be representatives sounds like a good idea. I would add the frequent holding of referenda to decide major public policies.
Pathological liars, immune to facts. Courtesy of Mark Windows.
Not sure about that, having seen some of the people who end up doing jury service has put me off that idea! Lol!
When you look at how many sheeple rely on the MSM for their “facts”, it might not be the best way to get sensible government.
I do think all politicians should have had some significant experience working in proper jobs before going into politics, preferably having started near the “bottom” and seen what actually makes success for the business whilst understanding how real people make it work.
We don’t need people who left Uni. and became lackeys for an MP etc before putting themselves up to represent the rest of us.
They might then have the brains to make decisions that are more beneficial for the people who vote for them.
Far too much to hope I know.
Following the plan. No brain function to tell him to do otherwise.
Things are looking good on the Lockdown Tory revolt. Very good chance Bozo will lose Commons vote without Labour support.
I hope you are right.
I suspect moves are afoot somewhere… Sir Graham Brady just on lunchtime news, a tad restrained but clearly not on board with Gov measures. He is a heavyweight & his presence anywhere is not insignificant.
The Briand article was deleted by Johns Hopkins but can be read at one of the following links.
https://notthebee.com/article/a-few-days-ago-johns-hopkins-published-a-study-saying-corona-is-nbd-they-then-deleted-it-read-it-here-in-its-entirety
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
The censorship of anything that doesn’t support the ‘killer virus’ narrative is disturbing. The JHU article actually stressed that Covid was serious, but clearly that wasn’t enough for the powers that be. It seems that anything that might lead people to question the Government’s response to the ‘crisis’ has to be removed from the public domain.
Covid-19 was a test case. The next virus scamdemic will be worse. Nip it in the bud now or suffer even more in the near future.
Issue 12 (November 2020) of ‘The Critic’ carried, as it’s lead story, an article about the different ‘cognitive frame of reference’ discernible in those who enthusiastically embrace lockdown/face masks/politician’s and expert’s lies/dodgy-data. It’s well worth reading on an ‘know your enemy’ basis.
Sorry I don’t have a link to an on-line version of ‘Welcome to Covidworld’.
Is it this article? https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/
Yes! Thanks JVS.
Covid World Theme Park.
This has broken me today. I have had to send the following to everyone I know who might be able to help. I didn’t want to identify the school but if anyone knows of a similar story please comment. I’m devastated. I love this child:
My friend’s son attends XX Primary School in X. She and a number of parents have noticed their children (aged 4-5 years old) are scratching their eyes and complaining about being “very cold”. This is because the school is keeping windows open. Dust from the nearby construction site (including metal dust) is coming into the classroom.
It is child abuse of the highest degree. Teachers must urgently be reassured that children DO NOT pose a risk to them. In present circumstances teachers pose a grave risk to children! There is no child-to-adult transmission of SARS-Cov-2 so NO justification for treating children like this. It is an abuse of their human rights, their right to an education and to be protected from harm. What happened to FIRST DO NO HARM?!
These children must be protected urgently. The school MUST close all windows and keep the children comfortable. This should be rectified on Monday morning. It is despicable and unforgivable that children are being made to suffer like this.
Identify the school
When I was a caretaker at a school the room had to be a certain temperature,I can’t remember the exact temp,if it was not the teacher could and did refuse to teach in said classroom, particularly in the winter this is a health and safety issue and laws apply..
Is that still the case? I know we were sent home once or twice when the boiler broke or there were power cuts.
Not sure Steph but I would think so, every winter I had teachers with thermometers and as soon as the temp dropped they were on the case, some refusing to teach, always ready to quote health and safety regulations..
But it’s the hysterical teachers insisting on this! Not caring how the children suffer.
Contact your local paper – I’m sure they’d love a bit of bad news
Not surprised some teachers I’m not saying all are quite frankly a bunch of stuck up assholes, appears this school has more than it’s fare share…
16 degrees C.
“Temperatures in the indoor workplace are covered by the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, which place a legal obligation on employers to provide a ‘reasonable’ temperature in the workplace.
Minimum workplace temperatureThe Approved Code of Practice suggests the minimum temperature in a workplace should normally be at least 16 degrees Celsius. If the work involves rigorous physical effort, the temperature should be at least 13 degrees Celsius. These temperatures are not absolute legal requirements; the employer has a duty to determine what reasonable comfort will be in the particular circumstances.
Higher workplace temperaturesA meaningful figure cannot be given at the upper end of the scale due to the high temperatures found in, for example, glass works or foundries. In such environments it is still possible to work safely provided appropriate controls are present. Factors other than air temperature, ie radiant temperature, humidity and air velocity, become more significant and the interaction between them become more complex with rising temperatures.
Risk assessmentIn addition to the Workplace Regulations, the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 require employers to make a suitable assessment of the risks to the health and safety of their employees, and take action where necessary and where reasonably practicable.
The temperature of the workplace is one of the potential hazards that employers should address to meet their legal obligations. Employers should consult with employees or their representatives to establish sensible means to cope with high temperatures.”
Link: https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/law.htm
Yes I remember now thanks for posting this information.
We had an open fire in the classroom when I was at primary school……..
Actually, ventilation is one of the few interventions that might be beneficial. One of the reasons the viruses ‘disappear’ over the summer is likely due to people spending more time outside and keeping doors and windows when at home.
Care Homes & hospitals are generally poorly ventilated.
Missing the point about child abuse entirely! But not many people care about children, sadly!
I’m not missing the point at all. The classrooms can be ‘aired’ during break periods.
Nonsense. The reduction in infections in the summer months is entirely due to the increase in harsh sunlight with consequent production of Vitamin D3 in the skin.
Inappropriate comment here – did you not read the OP?
Yes that is true. But cold draughts is not a good environment for learning in. By all means have windows ajar but then provide additional heating as well.
I was going to add that the classrooms can be aired during break periods but I couldn’t edit the comment.
In Germany they do something similar.
Understood that you meant no harm by your comment. We are all a little over-sensitive at the moment. Particularly, for me, when it comes to children. I can’t see past the outrage I feel at the needless harm done to them.
German parents and children are also complaining about being cold and how the teachers are bedwetters.
There should be stringent standards for care homes. Most, though, were created for maximum profits, not for maximum comfort.
I have just sent it to them!
Which school?
Additional potential contacts:
Local council environmental health to get the building site closed immediately. They won’t so will have to get the school to close the windows instead?
Local paper – any publicity can only help.
This is complete madness, the poor little things.
“….Dust from the nearby construction site (including metal dust) is coming into the classroom….”
That most certainly is an issue, probably more important than the temperature.
That’s why dust masks are worn by the building trades.
Not that I would want some pillock to get the kids to wear masks, just to use common sense and shut the bloody windows!
Oh no! I just said “common sense”, silly me…….
Had a large, heavy envelope delivered this morning, coming from the Welsh
GovernmentAssembly, inviting me to participate in their “coronavirus survey.” Returned to sender, sans postage stamp, with the message: “Get tested, get locked down. Was not born yesterday.”You’ll be added to the +ve list and sent a self isolation request for the audacity
Just returned from the shops (wearing my lepers bell), the shop assistant was wearing a clear plastic face mask (not a visor), a bit like a pair of spectacles but with a mask on. There was no obvious filtration system and there was a gap of about a centimetre around this face and mask. I couldn’t be bothered to ask how effective the mask was at stopping viruses as I already know.
I also saw a shop assistant wearing something like what you describe the other day. All it needs now is some flowery patterns and it’ll be the latest “must have” among some people
Email to my MP
Dear
Every prediction concerning hospitalisations and deaths that would ensue from “Covid-19” have been shot to smithereens.
A glance at the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths, irrespective of cause, shows that this year’s numbers are in line with what would be expected at this time of year. They also show that Lockdowns and mask wearing have no noticeable effect.
The use of the PCR test for diagnosing infections of Covid-19 is invalid, particularly when the prevalence of the disease is low (as it has been for several months) and conflating the results with clinical cases is fraudulent.
The low prevalence of the disease means there is no need whatsoever for mass vaccination, particularly as none of the vaccines being developed will not, reportedly, stop vulnerable people from being infected. Some claims have been made that they will mitigate the effects, but there are effective, safe, inexpensive, early-stage interventions such as Hydroxychloroquine treatments available, but these are, obtusely, denied us by our malfeasant “government”.
It is clear that the present low prevalence of the disease has been brought about solely by our Immune Systems, which, unlike vaccines, have no side effects. The government is seeking to secure a new AI computer system to track the side effects of the novel Covid-19 vaccines. From the wording of the tender document it is clear that they are expecting a large number of side effects.
The vast sums of money that have been pledged to so-called charities with interests in vaccines and the further vast sums given to companies creating and manufacturing vaccines, together with the monitoring software amounts to a grotesque waste of the nation’s wealth. All for vaccines that are not needed. THERE ARE HIGHTLY EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS.
A glance at the state of the economy, employment figures, business closures, government debt, and other indicators makes clear that the impact of the government’s restrictions have been disastrous. IT IS TIME TO BRING AN END TO ALL THE GOVERNMENT’S COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS.
Please do not disappoint me by supporting the latest proposed Tier 3 proposals for Kent. Please work for me, for my family and friends, for your constituents, for Kent, for the country, for the world by making it your mission to REPEAL THE CORONAVIRUS ACT. Yes, it is this important.
Very best wishes
Good letter. If only any of our MPs actually read or understood the letters we send before chucking back a boilerplate response.
They read it. If you make it crystal clear you are a constituent (eg. put address &/or phone no. at the top or bottom) they do read it; even if you subsequently get a c&p reply. Personally I have adapted my response a bit, so generally try to keep it readable, ie. under 1 page, and don’t throw out dozens of statistics in one go, try to focus on 1-2 of your very strongest points.
I often conclude by pointing out that their constituents are paying attention – even if you have a quick chat to someone at the bus stop & they’re not happy, you can legitimately say that concerned numbers in your town, village, are substantially rising – and point out that, as the PCR test is not capable of justifying infectious individuals, they are basically complicit in a fraud, & that this will be remembered when they ask the people to put faith in them again, even more so if they’re Labour & stand by a banner saying, ‘for the many, not the few’.
If Rishi does cut LHA (for housing benefit) and universal credit from April.. as it seems he is going to.. there is going to be carnage right? All to save a billion or two.. just incredible.. spend billions and billions on unnecessary testing etc and then pull the rug from under peoples feet by saving a billion or two.
What!!?
This is an act of war.. Millions will starve and become homeless.
None of this tragedy has been caused by a virus – but by government policy
I’m waiting for him to levy serious taxes on the rich.
A multi-millionaire Finance Minister. Not good.
Following the plan. Everyone dependent on the state and Bill Gates & Co.
He doesn’t give a shit. His wife is worth more than the queen.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/27/huge-wealth-of-sunaks-family-not-declared-in-ministerial-register
Prepare for a rationing of riot fuel – Stella, Vodka and Red Bull.
Arcadia group about to appoint administration. So that’s how many jobs on SAGE at risk ? Oh. None.
This is when it starts to hurt all those comfy pensioners and middle class WFH’s – these insolvencies (because there will be more of them) also lead to the company’s pension funds having to go into the PPF (Pension Protection Fund) which leads to a cut in benefits to the pensioners and scheme members. The PPF is actively worried about this as their previous contingency planning has never covered such a scenario. A few big pension schemes going bust will really put the cat amongst the pigeons. Arcadia and BHS pension scheme deficits are close to £1bn and Green negotiated with the Pensions Regulator last year to defer the recovery payments he was supposed to be making to get rid of the deficit.
Should focus the mind of a few bedwetters!
It would be the way to get rid of the last private sector DB schemes, blaming COVID for it.
The Scientific Advisors for Guesswork and Exaggeration will never be out of work my friend.
Which shops will be left to buy clothes? I mean, physical shops?
A marvellous encounter. A woman carrying a large sign saying ‘I’ve had enough, had you?’ We stopped to talk, two lockdown sceptics. We discussed the great work of Ivor Cummings, Sunetra Gupta and others, our disappointment with the Left, our horror at masks, censorship, the plausibility of the Great Reset …
We introduced ourselves. Val told me she’s been carrying her sign around for months. It’s all she can do, she said. She’s received unpleasant abuse – though as we spoke, a bus driver gave her a cheery wave! – but she persists, day after day, walking the streets, carrying her placard.
I told her that my wife, Sinead Murphy, has written for Lockdown Sceptics and has received, as a result, emails from people all over the world – people who are as disgusted as we are, but people who are also lonely and depressed. I told Val I had just been to town for the first time in months and was outraged at what covid-19 overreaction has done to our city (Newcastle). Masks everywhere, even outside. Shops shuttered, some closed forever. I told her I’d felt powerless and alone … but then I’d seen her placard.
How wonderful that Val exists, carrying her placard, a true heroine of our time.
Just been out for a lunchtime run, had the fall on my headphones. As I ran past the local co-op and seeing a queue of faceless shoppers channeling my inner Mark E Smith I shouted WAKE UP PEOPLE, JUST SAY NO, JUST SAY NO PEOPLE!!
Will make fuck all difference but made feel a bit better.
Kings Cross tomorrow, Noon.
I’m in Edinburgh, if I was still in London I would be there with you all. Will be at hollyrood next week
If you are trying to target train users note that there is some of the station upgrade work going on this weekend. The station is not closed but a reduced service is operating. But presumably the intention is to move on from there, Euston a target? Doing other things myself but hope it achieves its goals.
Sounds a bit like Withnail shouting at schoolgirls “Scrubbers!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDlX49yUSI
“Little tarts, they love it!!!”
‘New face in hell’ seems particularly relevant at the moment
A prickly line of sweat covers enthusiast’s forehead as the realization hits him that the same government him and his now dead neighbor voted for and backed and talked of on cream porches have tricked him into their war against the people
Absolutely love The Fall
Saw them about once a year from 1979 through to around 1984, and a couple of times thereafter. I have most of their singles and albums up to Extricate (1990). After that I didn’t buy their stuff but I taped things if John Peel played them.
I wonder what mark e Smith would of made of this charade we find ourselves living in
I think he’d have been a raving sceptic from Day 1
You did good, friend.
Maybe, just perhaps, one person might wake up as a result. It’s always worth trying.
I hope so, I honestly couldn’t help it, just seeing them standing there made me so angry. I’ve also been out sticking flyers under car windscreen wipers and at bus stops
An e-mail on this week’s Planet Normal podcast was from Lucy who works for 111. She said that for the last 2 weeks, 111 have been telling callers “who are comfortably managing their symptoms at home” to go to hospital. Need more hospital admissions obviously. To think people with genuine illnesses are going untreated and left to rot/die.
As a professional word malleability specialist I can reveal that the entire vocabulary of the Govt narrative has been subjected to torsional strength testing and found to be twisted beyond the breaking point of meaning. The Goebbels Institute protocols have been breached and many of the words involved now appear broken beyond repair. You have been warmed.
Am preparing to leave for Lon-don, there to join with others of a like mind on the morrow, although uncertain of the exact location and would be grateful for any up to date information from anyone in the know.
Kings Cross 12 noon
See ya there
Thanks, look forward to it.
Maybe we could meet up? How would we find one another – any suggestions?
Been thinking about that, a LS placard or the like might work but not sure I have time as it’s a 450 mile round trip for me and need to leave soon.
If I’m there tomorrow, I’ll try to bring a sheet of paper with LS written on it. We may be able to find each other, but that depends how big the crowd is. I tried that in Trafalgar Square, but it was impossible to find anyone in the crowd, and my “placard” was too small…
OK. Me 6’3″, brown hair with plenty grey, brown eyes, specs, olive green jacket, blue jeans. 17 yo daughter 5’5″ longish brown hair. Possibly accompanied by either 1 or 2 similarly ageing male friends. You never know…
Good luck.
How come West Sussex was in tier 1 before lockdown #2 and will be in tier 2 afterwards. Is this not the most obvious proof that lockdowns don’t work?
Proof is irrelevant
And Suffolk etc, etc. Bozo’s ass is surely now due for ass-assi-by-the-nation: get in line folks
Nearly half the population of England is in the same boat. As I’ve said many times recently, we are in a post-logic era.
And the post-logic narrative is: if the numbers (deaths, hospitalisations, cases, the R number) go down, it proves lockdowns, face masks social distancing rules work; and if the numbers go up, it proves that more draconian measures/enforcement is needed. Whatever the evidence, more lockdowns, face masks, social distancing is the answer
If banging your head against the wall makes your head ache, bang your head harder.
A classic case of what Karl Popper described as an unfalsifiable theory. There are no circumstances in which it can be proved false. (My philosophical contribution for the evening).
Tier 1 doesn’t work. Hospital admissions doubled every 7-10 days in Tier 1. Shown in SW and SE before lockdown. It takes about a week to see the effect on cases, two weeks for admissions and three weeks for deaths. SE and SE admissions now turning over. Tier 1 isn’t lockdown.
Anything above Tier Zero (normal) is Lockdown.
If you’re talking about what flavours of Lockdown work to stop the spread of the virus, that’s a different matter. Evidence suggests that not much actually “works”.
So how come cases in a lot of northern areas continued to rise despite being essentially locked down all summer? They are only falling now because the virus has been and done its thing.
What is Tier 1 then? Just a few silly rules? What makes a lockdown a lockdown? It is all just restrictions of varying degrees given different names to makes us grateful for the return of any of our usual freedoms.
I’m in herts and we’re the same. Tier 1, then lockdown, now Tier 2. Might as well still be in lockdown as far as I’m concerned, if it’s illegal for me to visit my own friends and family.
A few weeks ago, I had a GP ask me what he could do to stop the keyboard on the Macbook in his office being destroyed by the alcohol based cleaner he was using to disinfect it. I kid you not. I told him exactly how he could avoid it.
I well remember a “manager” where I worked ; when presented with a brand new company car boasted with out any sense of irony that he “knew very well” when to top up the oil and water.
He said : ” Of course I do, it’s when the red lights light up on the dashboard”
That’s quite a profound analogy for the NHS, Phil.
Again, we rest our case.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-wont-take-coronavirus-vaccine
Escape to Brazil, just make sure they do not use dominion software for elections.
The only problem with that is the too most palpably dangerous cities I’ve ever been to are Sao Paulo and Rio! Move to small town Brazil might work, though…
Rio and Sao Paulo dangerous?
Surely, a mask will protect you?
Not from Mr 9mm
Bits of Sao Paulo are the only place I’ve been in daylight where I felt properly, genuinely on edge. It had a malevolent air.
two
It seems strange to make a statement like that when surely he must know the PCR tests are creating this nonsense?
I’m afraid of the NHS. I personally won’t be having an experimental vaccine that’s been rushed through safety testing protocols, awarded indemnity and is predicted to cause unpleasant side effects for a virus that is harmless to the vast majority of people.
Many people in it mean well, but as an organisation it is to be feared now. They seem to have a siege mentality, and it has become the centre of their lives and the beast must be fed and protected at all costs. One reason for it to be radically changed so that it becomes less of a sacred cow, a bit like the huge US military. It tends to blind reason on all sides.
Afternoon all. Given Farr’s Law that “The death rate is a fact, anything beyond this is an inference”, ‘m pasting here the monthly death totals for England and Wales from Jan 2018 to the October just finished so you can see them at a glance and refer to them if needed. Hope it formats OK.
2018
Jan: 64,154 Feb: 49,177 Mar: 51,229 Apr: 46,464 May: 42,784 June: 39,767
July: 40,723 Aug: 40,192 Sept: 37,137 Oct: 44,440 Nov:43,978 Dec: 41,539
2019
Jan: 53,190 Feb: 45,795 Mar43,944 Apr: 44,121 May: 44,389 Jun: 38,603
Jul: 42,308 Aug: 38,843 Sep: 40,011 Oct: 46,238 Nov: 45,219 Dec: 47,460
2020
Jan: 56,706 Feb: 43,653 Mar: 49,723 Apr: 88,153 May: 52,374 Jun: 42,624
Jul: 40,780 Aug: 37,187 Sep: 42,500 Oct: 46,296
Link here if anyone wants to see them at source
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence
The folowing compare sall-cause mortality in Germany 2018 vs 2020.
You notice the flu wave in 2018, but no covid wave in 2020. This is because Germany did not chuck tens of thousands of patients out of hospital in the Spring, as theUK did, thus producing the large number of deaths in April/May.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em2VwfuXEAUMkTo?format=png&name=4096×4096
For comparison and context in E/W 2019 there were on average 53,364 live births per month. We do not have the birth figures for 2020 because they suspended the registrtion of births but if 2020 is similar to 2019 then we will again, despite the effects of Covid, have more live births than deaths.
Thanks!
Some studio work today with a bunch of people I don’t know that well: All very middle class, middle England types who I thought would be pro-lockdown. They were talking about gigging next year and I said that I didn’t think there would gigs next year and that was because I didn’t think it was about a virus it was about social engineering.
Was expecting to be shot down and had to explain I wasn’t a conspiracy theorist – but before I’d finished one of them “yes I think they are trying to create a police state” and two of the other three said they thought the same.
The kind of people they are; if they think this then I suspect a hell of a lot people are starting to think that way.
Personally I think there is a massive revolt waiting to burst through – people are holding off because of the vaccine, but when that fails (or when it becomes clear it isn’t what it claims to be) i think something is going to happen that – rather like Brexit – is going to take the Government and their pollsters completely by surprise. Very normal, educated middle Englanders are much, much more angry than they think.
A previously very compliant sort I know said to me yesterday that it all just needs to stop, right now.
He is right but it stops when we say so, reflecting on my shouting at the zombies queuing outside the local co-op earlier today, why queue, just walk in on masse, what are the staff going to do?? Call the police. So what, by the time they arrive they could of paid for their shopping. If it was some woke BLM or save the whale demo there would be a sit in protest but they all dutifully queue for their pint of milk and loaf of bread.
Maybe we need to reflect the image back to them and show them how it was the same in East Germany and Russia.
Send them photos and eyewitness accounts. Tell them that you will not accept living that way in England’s Green and Pleasant Land.
These people have lost their innate Englishness. They have been corrupted by The Global Mind Virus.
“Personally I think there is a massive revolt waiting to burst through – people are holding off because of the vaccine,”
This. Exactly.
As I said earlier: I think this carries on till May. If this carry-on is still carrying on then, as the weather improves, and the snake-oil is being doled out in quantity, there’ll be no holding people back.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1332305379682881537
Eric Clapton, Van Morrison.
I started browsing the comments on this Twitter page. Mostly denouncing them and calling them typical Boomers, What a load of nasty people. Yuk!
That’s what Twitter has become. An outlet for point ones and malcontent morons.
Kate McCann was, apparently, a GP. I base my assessment of the profession on that fact.
That’s nasty. She and her cardiologist husband made a stupid mistake. Their daughter and they have paid for it dreadfully
Doesn’t stop the fact they left their 3 children alone in an unlocked holiday apartment, quickly set up a “fighting fund”, got lawyers and PR involved, all within a few hours of them noticing the disappearance.
At the time I said it was a bloody stupid thing to do. I also disagreed vehemently with the “we’ve all done it” brigade because most of us haven’t. I believe they made a dreadful mistake not that they were complicit.
No stupid mistake at all. Guilty as sin. Their conduct says it all. They haven’t paid at all they should be in prison. They are pathological liars. You need to really acquaint yourself with the real facts..
Yep
https://youtu.be/uS6ucYudNAo
Not sure if this has been posted – from Claire Craig’s twitter feed
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ijcp.13795
About concerns over safety of vaccine
Boris Johnson has just stood there (to justify the tiers) ” the problem is 1 out of 3 are asymptomatic and maybe spreading…” Here is a study from Wuhun itself ( & apology if posted already) which confirms that this is NOT TRUE.
“There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases..”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
Coughs and sneezes spread diseases.
We’ve known this for centuries.
Covid, though it’s a disease,
Is not denoted by a sneeze,
And it’s the silliest of piffle
To stop the Cosmos for a sniffle.
There is just a constant stream of lies now.
Last week Boris told the House that seventy percent of transmission of the virus is asymptomatic. Rather than cite any evidence, he simply added: “as you all know”.
Reminds me of the phrase used by the illiterate Dothraki savages in Game of Thrones: “It is known” (which is then immediately parroted by those listening).
Or as BJ likes to say, “It is a fact”.
So will members of the HoC all have to wear hazmat gear in the event they risk transmission of asymptomatic viral infections, asymptomatic tuberculosis, diphtheria, bronchitis,……?
~ Dr. Michael Yeadon: Former Pfizer Vice President
Also WHO clearly stated there was not one known case on the world where someone who is asymptomatic (I.e. who hasn’t got the virus) has transmitted it to a
Anyone. Didn’t any MPs question him on this?
Perhaps someone should send Mr. Piffle this – clearest explanation of the non sense of asymptomatic transmission I have heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&t=2s
I have no interest in covid now, it’s a political tool for Johnson, Hancock and friends. I know more people who have had cancer, who have died from cancer. They wanted to live longer but the NHS didnt stop for them. Life has to go on, you can’t hide away, life is too short. The politicians don’t care now, follow the rhetoric, don’t follow the rhetoric, its all the same to them.
I am interested in covid solely as a sociopolitical phenomenon
Flu wiped off the face of the earth it seems: https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=6
Well, flu was getting a bit boring wasn’t it?
Let’s try and think of a new name for it, shall we?
Something haunting and redolent of doom. Perhaps with a number attached to it, to give it that science-fictiony feel.
Surely that’s all people need to look at to realise something fishy is going on?
Also, is there potential that countries for some reason aren’t sharing this info with the WHO anymore? Those graphs would seemingly be useless if for instance figures were only provided every 6-12 months for instance.
The numbering system is genius because it allows it to be updated every year – even if covid-19 eventually goes away, it can just be replaced with the even more deadly covid-20.
Patched, updated, all the while strssing product continuity.
Aah, marketing genius.
I’ve actually spent the last 20 minutes trying to find a way to contact the WHO to ask them how these numbers are collected, and how often. There website is broken when you to try to look up the European centres. I then found 2 numbers for 2 universities that apparently contribute and both are straight to answer machine.
Also we’re led to believe that hospital and ICU for flu is not even at 0.1%???? https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938650/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w48_FINAL.PDF
Can anyone point to some research that tells me why a virus is seasonal? On the hysterical Vine show on R2 he cited Bournemouth beach as an example of how the Brits cannot control themselves. But as far as I am aware there was no spike in infections or deaths around then, or when 2 million visited the south west in the summer.
Then, lo and behold, the virus re-emerged in October/ November. Why is this? Should I ask Ivor Cummins?
I am assuming that it has something to do with each virus type having optimal conditions of hunidity and temperature for its spread.
A sort of niche to which it has adapted.
Sort of like lobbyists, politically correct types and the Westminster bubble have adaptd to huge dollops of taxpayer money lying around, allowing them optimal conditions to reproduce.
And like the wikipedia articles says, also likely due to lower vitamin D etc. We get very little vitamin D from food. We make vitamin D during the sunny months and store it for winter. Yet in the summer months too many of us cover ourselves with lotions that prevent UVA-B (needed for vitamin D production) from reaching our skin.
Most colds and flus originate in China due to climate, population numbers, and other factors such as vitamin D deficiency.
In Iran, after the revolution in 1979, MS and other illnesses increased in women who were now forced to cover up. Google images ‘Iran women 1970s’ to see the freedom Iranian women used to have. Vitamin D deficiency is thought to have been a factor.
Vitamin D is not a vitamin.. it is a hormone..
How do you know this?
My understanding is they don’t definitively know. For what it is worth, the theory with which I happen to agree, is that the cold coronavirus is always present but our immune systems deal with it much more easily when it is at full strength in the summer sun. Might be nonsense, but whatever the reason, this coronavirus doesn’t seem to behave any differently to any other coronavirus.
Well I am willing to bet there are people who have developed colds in the last couple of months despite not having been anywhere near anyone else
Along these lines.
they dont know but have some theories
see this for seasonal flu, probably a mix of all of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season#Cause
He now has Twitter:
https://twitter.com/profklausschwab/status/1332006207213727746?s=21
Blocked any replies annoyingly.
Yes, presumably he’s woried that the volume of replies would so drive up usage on the world’s Internet servers that carbon dioxide emissions would rise.
He’s blocked replies for the sake of the environment.
Oh Klaus, you’re so sustainable.
Interesting names that he follows though. Saves us the trouble of making lists.
Please can you post some of the names here please. Refuse to go on Twitter.
“Blocked any replies” Afraid to debate. Sign of weakness.
Everyone I know is very angry about the tiers bollocks,but what is noticeable is the change in attitude of a lot of the people my daughter works with at an NHS hospital.
She says quite a few colleagues who have been fully onboard with the narrative or have simply just sat on the fence up until now have changed their minds,they have been saying enough is enough and it is all bollocks and needs to stop now.A lot of the nursing staff are saying the figures being quoted to put our county into tier 3 do not represent the truth of the matter,especially when patient discharge numbers aren’t being made public,I think the figures for one of the largest hospitals was something like 400 admitted for ‘suspected covid’ but about 396 of them actually discharged the same day as admittance,I can’t remember what time period that covers.
Sincerely hope this is true.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MoriartyReturn/status/1332015065806102533
However if you do not wear a mask in a shop and you claim exemption then you get a fine from the police
So many of these stories.
Seems like the sole purpose of the police these days is to arrest people for exercising their human right to protest and to breathe fresh air, and to enforce the controlled demolition of the economy by fining and arresting business owners. A far cry from Dixon of Dock Green
She does know that children are not supposed to have it, I hope?!
Family owned coffee shop of three decades destroyed by the Great Reset (Great Destruct)
https://twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1332279685997268998?s=20
Yes
Lockdowns / Tiers
KILLS
businesses & jobs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8991611/NHS-GP-Dr-RENEE-HOENDERKAMP-argues-new-lockdown-tiers-make-no-sense.html
Pretty good article.
The old tiers didn’t make any sense either
Interesting reading if you have 5mins
https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/01/is-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-ticking-time-bomb/
Thanks for the link. Brilliant article
I’ve been concerned about this from the start as I’ve read about futile efforts to develop a vaccine for the FIP feline corona virus.
It seems everywhere has crazy Christmas rules, which remind me of school rules for children. Common sense would dictate that encouraging people to travel on only a few days would lead to more infectious diseases rather than less as people ram into buses and trains and the tube on the same days.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/christmas-not-like-others-europe-wrestles-festive-covid-rules
A decent recession takes an average 3 months off everyone’s lifespan
Covid takes 3 months off the lifespan of 50,000 80 year olds
To fail to prevent the latter, we have created the former
Mental
Indeed. Lest we forget. The cost benefit analysis is orders of magnitude skewed on the cost side, and anyone moderately literate and numerate could have worked this out on the back of an envelope.
Agreed. But HS2 meets no logical COBA requirements either but we press on – for political reasons I suppose.
I read about the full cost/benefit back in March. Bristol University said lockdown deaths would be higher than covid prevention deaths if recession was worse than 2008 and the lockdown saved 500,000 lives for 10 years each.
You cant make the maths work to destroy the economy for a handful of the elderly.
Indeed – not even close
I am not persuaded that the coronavirus takes an time off the lifespan. The average age of coronavirus related deaths (which are obviously inflated) is 82.4; whereas, life expectancy is 81. The virus is having zero effect on mortality.
I think the all cause mortality data from this year shows that deaths were brought forward. but I don’t think by much because they were overwhelmingly so ill
Laurence’s posts over the last couple of days put the excess deaths adjusted for the ageing population at 13,000. How many of those are down to lockdown we will never know…
The locking down of the elderly and vulnerable in care homes and denying them access to relatives and health care certainly resulted in many premature deaths.
The two facts I just cited show that the virus had zero effect on mortality, so unless you dispute the facts, you have to accept the conclusion: it is just a matter of arithmetic.
I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case if some of the 80 year olds dying would have lived beyond 80, which logically some of them would because if the average is 80 and some people die earlier than some must die later.
I think that covid may have reduced average life expectancy by a few months
I am perplexed by your response. The average age of coronavirus related deaths is greater than life expectancy, therefore, the virus cannot be reducing life expectancy. All that has changed during this pandemic is what is written on the death certificates.
Actually, a major contribution to mortality in April was not the ‘bringing forward’ of deaths, but the deaths of those who had actually survived an extra year beyond the norm because of the low infection rate of 2019.
But there’s an argument that they had survived so far because of a mild flu season previously, so really it is all swings and roundabouts; trying to play God or Canute when you are merely a middle-manager at best.
Is it just me that finds articles like this bizarre?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-vaccine-wont-heal-the-scarring-of-lockdown
Some of it makes sense – the parts to do with the huge damage done. But the parts about the vaccine seem like rubbish to me and they assume the vaccine is needed, which it isn’t. It is pernicious.
The tiered system went through Holyrood without a murmor of opposition didn’t it? No sign of a Covid Recorery Group there. I guess the only way this is over is when England says so. Which means this is not quite as devolved as the high-heeled haggis would think.
Please, I like haggis.
I don’t like sturgeon though.
Smoked or roast sturgeon is very tasty, however I only like sturgeon on my plate
I don’t think Johnson or Hancock have a clue and what’s more, they don’t care. They quote the goon scientists and read from their notes. They think they can’t lose, just doing the globalists work for them.
The more people comply the more draconian the rules
Let’s not ever let it pass that some “Special Adviser” writes the words that these fools read. They do not write their own speeches and they do not give a fcuk.
Special Advisers are a literal cancer on effective governance. Name Hancock’s SPADs. They certainly are screwing your life as much as he is.
Fear appeal!
https://theduran.com/the-link-between-fear-appeal-and-covid-19-perception-interview-with-dr-peter-breggin/
https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1332261688104652800
Die
My wife (who is 55) has just received a call from our GP surgery,’would you like a free flu jab ?’,her answer was no thanks.
Why the hard sell with this flu jab ?,she has never been called or pestered before.
I thought covid had eradicated flu anyway ?,does this flu jab have something ‘special’ in it ?
My wife (44) got a random NHS letter yesterday offering her a jab. Weird.
Me (44) potentially high risk etc – nada. Nothing non the flu jab. No letter, phone call etc. Not even a nice sticky label on my medication to say “hi – have this”
NHS – pride of Britain. Where is my pot ?
Fuck the National covid service
Money to be made by GP’s and MP’s
I think the ‘vaccine’ is a red herring and UKG are trying to give people the flu jab and then when and if these people catch the flu which is feasible after being tormented and kept indoors for months they can dress it up as the 3rd wave with more lockdowns etc, they know people are seeing through the nonsense so are trying to engineer more illness.
DNA samples taken with it?
No wonder Johnson and Hancock laugh. Businesses going to the wall because of the most bizarre and irrational rules, from them. Restaurants who force muzzles until you sit down. The flimiest of reason has stopped the hospitality industry and no one has really objected and said you need to show proof that anything is doing anything. There is none.
https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/find-a-hub
I’ve just received this from Keep Britain Free- it’s a new website with freedom hubs all over the country offering community support to fight against lockdowns. Sorry if already posted.
Just enter your postcode and an email pops up so it’s easy to navigate
Has everyone seen the NHS figures on deaths from Covid19 in England with no co-morbidities? SAGE/HMG are criminally incompetent….
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I think the UK should be re-named, like this village in Austria.
But instead of being called Fucking, the UK should be re-named Fucked.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/village-called-fking-change-name-23077891
Our politicians and their parliament are corrupt and rotten to the core
The two main parties are little more than organised crime groups
The have infiltrated and corrupted every institution in the land
The corrupt police, NHS, education, the courts, and universities etc are the building blocks of this brutal dictatorship
I know there has been a lot of discussion about the Great Reset, but I’m still struggling to see this as the driving force. I am of course happy to debate and am open minded to explore any convincing sources you wish to send to change my mind.
But I am still of the mindset that this entire fiasco is just a massive bout of hysteria which is seemingly impossible to escape from. All the way back in March governments and scientists were being cautious and trying to reassure the public. It was the media (and lots of the public) who were stoking the panic. By middle of March, we were demanding to be locked down and for the government to take control. The government could not control the panic and also got consumed by the panic.
The moment the government decided it was their job to control the virus – or rather the media and the public decided it was the government’s job – then everything takes on its own weirdly rational logic. If you are being judged on how you manage a ‘pandemic’ – then you have to do something. The lockdowns, the testing, the masks, the tiers, the 2 metres – are all signs you are doing something. It doesn’t matter that all this stuff is pointless and makes very little difference – because the government can show it is doing something. It also doesn’t matter that all these measures – the lockdowns, the masks, the testing etc have massive negative consequences, because the government isn’t being judged on this. It is solely being judged on how it ‘defeating’ the virus – something which of course it has almost no control over.
And once politicians – and scientists – commit to the idea that they can control the virus, they can’t turn back. They are in too deep. They can’t stop and say, “really sorry, seems to be a seasonal bug, can’t do much, go back to normal now”. There are too many reputations and careers on the line – and quite possibly many legal implications. So they have to carry on, digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole and desperate for a vaccine to save the day.
I have no doubt whatsoever that other interests are exploiting this situation – pharmaceuticals being the obvious one – and many people / organisations see this as an opportunity to create a ‘new normal’. But I still see this mainly as a problem of hysteria / health extremism / incompetence, rather than a planned pandemic to reshape the world.
But very happy to consider alternative viewpoints. One of the great things about this site is the very good quality of the contributors on the comments section. So please do educate me!
I would also put a lot down to what I call interventionism. There are many people who simply think if you can make some difference why wouldn’t you. They hate to just let things be. I think SAGE is definitely of that mindset. They envisage a day when humans are made perfect by constant intervention using technology such as vaccines and tracking, genetic manipulation, etc. They see it as a utopia and they can’t understand why anyone else wouldn’t want that too.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Blaming the public makes no sense. Firstly, politicians only listen to the public when the public are saying what the political elite want to hear. But, more specifically, the government deliberately engaged in a campaign to terrorise the public. It did this on the advice of the behavioural scientists on the SAGE sub-committee. https://www.ukcolumn.org/sites/default/files/documents/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf
Can’t really argue with any of that.
“It was the media (and lots of the public) who were stoking the panic. By middle of March, we were demanding to be locked down and for the government to take control. The government could not control the panic and also got consumed by the panic. ”
The media is not independent. It is owned by the same forces that have the greatest say in government.
If the media was hysterical it is because that was wanted.
Do you remember how right at the beginning of lockdown we were told that this was a ‘new normal’ and that things had changed for ever? If what you say is correct and that it is merely a matter of hysteria, then how do you explain that?
How do you explain the outright fabrication of death statistics right from the beginning – death ‘with’ versus death ‘of’. No hysterical media or public forced the authorities to change the methods of compiling death statistics, just as they didn’t force the government to change other procedures such as those for coroners.
There have been several junctures where it would have been possible for the government to begin to steer the ship in the other direction, Why haven’t they?
In particular, the government could easily have made the PCR less stringent (fewer cycles) in order to calm the public. Easily done, since there has been little public understanding of what the PCR is about. Instead the government has massively expanded testing.
Why did the government gradually introduce mask.wearing when they did, effectively escalating just as the official death statistics were slumping?
Why right from the beginning has there been an emphasis on a vaccine as the only medical solution? Why no interest, for example, in HCQ? Surely, if this was driven by hysteria, the the public and the government would have been open to any possibility of treatment?
Gow do you explain the massive censorship of alternative points of view and the determinedly heavy-handed approach of the police to anti-lockdown demos, as compared to BLM or XR. Has hysteria caused those too?
Normally one might have expected the government to want to calm the public, instead the message and the strategy are perfectly consistent with maximizing the atmosphere of fear, abnormality and emergency, instead of gradually dialling it down.
I seem to recall that, in March, it was the front page of the Daily Mail amongst others braying for lockdown.
There’s probably much truth in what you say, in terms of the finger-trap the government has found itself in regarding the “pandemic”. Although I’d say there are problems with it only being that, due to for example the dubious use of definitions and statistics observed at the start, the escalation of that along with an ever-shifting narrative, and the outright fabrication of “evidence” later.
Basically, lots of things were done that you would definitely not do if you really did want to keep proper track of a health emergency and deal with it while ensuring the health of the country in all other respects. Furthermore, things were done “lazily” in a way that might suggest they didn’t care about them (e.g. proper standardisation and quality control of tests; many other “on the ground” details stuff that you would be tracking if seriously concerned and trying to get it right).
Also, one might consider how the pseudo-scientific measures put in place conflict with the established pandemic strategic planning documents of the UK and the WHO (and even with the approach taken at the start of March) and that they are interestingly completely aligned throughout the world. Perhaps the purpose of the measures is the measures, the outcomes from the measures are the intended outcomes; there are no other justifications.
However, it’s probably best to set aside the idea of a “planned pandemic to reshape the world”, and instead consider that “reshaping the world” was the trajectory that we were already on. People had already thought about ways you might go about accelerating that and making it irreversible should an opportunity arise. The “pandemic” story taking hold brought all that into play.
It’s worth noting that we’ve already bought into the whole “Fourth Industrial Revolution” and “Green New Deal” stuff for ages. For example:
Isolating everyone, destroying independent businesses, and ultimately making everyone dependent on state handouts, at the mercy of a certification and tracking network, and transitioning to “digital” lives through fear of (and ultimately removal of access to) the outside world would be a “nice” way to get all that done. Especially since a majority of people might not be too keen on the reality of what the changes will mean for them and society once they’d twigged what was going on.
My thoughts on this are pretty much aligned with yours but here’s my tuppence worth on the Great Reset.
Before all this I’d never even heard of the Great Reset. I have however considered that economies the world over are little more than legal Ponzi schemes and much of life is structured in order to maintain these schemes.
As we all know eventually Ponzi schemes collapse because there is not enough input at the bottom to hold it up. For years now the only thing keeping it going has been perpetual debt and interest rates have been kept artificially low to facilitate this. This debt has been maintained by population growth but as time passes we get ever nearer to the limit of sustainability.
So to me the Great Reset is an inevitability and was unaware that this is what it was being termed. There are two way you can look at it, one is that it is planned and two is that it is inevitable and therefore steps should be taken to prepare.
I would tend towards the latter view because I think it is an inevitability and not something that is a product of intentional planning.
How best for a normal person to try and prepare for it? With a mortgage they can’t pay off, but a half decent amount of savings, i.e. me
I really want to try and invest in a way that my family at least have something left in a few years.
Excellent analysis. I too am not convinced by the ‘Great Reset’ (but like you I have an open mind and am open to convincing evidence) but at the same time, I don’t think that it’s just incompetence. Your comment strikes at the elusive middle ground between the two, which is the view I’ve held right from the very start.
I think it’s also worth noting that there is a “childishness” about all these things.
It’s not a case of a network of geniuses with outstanding insights creating incredible concepts and then making razor-sharp plans to bring them about. Just a read of Klaus Schwab’s The Fourth Industrial Revolution or various articles by tech and similar companies, there’s a strange clumsy ineptitude underlying the sweeping visions. Think: the guff that Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg come out with.
A type of incompetence is therefore woven through all of this stuff, both the front-facing narrative and anything that is happening in parallel.
I pretty much agree with your analysis. It’s the old fallacy “Something must be done. This is something, so let’s do it.” It’s also the mismatch between highly visible and concentrated hardship versus less visible but much more widespread hardship. In this case the politicians are terrified of the prospect of people dying in hospital corridors, but their attempts to avoid that scenario are resulting in widespread economic and social problems occurring over a long period of time. As for the media, by their nature they always play up the scaremongering side of things, as it makes more dramatic headlines. “New normal” is a catchphrase or cliché which has been around for a while, so it’s not necessarily evidence of a conspiracy to see it being used. But “convergent opportunism” is certainly happening in the activities of various dubious organisations using the alleged pandemic to push their agendas.
I don’t think the whole Covid thing has to have been all be planned out for it to be the ‘Great Reset’, but it is clear to me that there have been plans made awaiting a time to enact them, and this looks like the time. The ‘incompetence, in too deep argument’ works fine until you see that things like vaccination passports are being proposed. It is also clear to me that they could have just stopped testing in the summer and declared ‘pandemic over’; there is no reason to keep it all going if it was all just a big mistake that can’t be rolled back.
One thing to consider is that this is global – all the main players are reading from the same script. Each country could of done their own thing and dealt with it independently however barring a couple haven’t. I believe this has all been planned, great reset, cashless society.
It could well be an anti-trump agenda.
Shame we don’t have more measured people in charge like this retired Doctor.
Go Ahead – Make My Day!
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/go-ahead-make-my-day_7iSt2UxSMrpeFQ9.html
Former NHS hospital doctor, Dr Colin M. Barron explains his concerns about the new COVID-19 vaccines
More NHS staff need to speak out. I know most are worried about losing their jobs but perhaps the mandatory vaccines will be the trigger.
Corbett report, excellent
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/27/watch-what-no-one-is-saying-about-the-lockdowns/
Got too brave and asked a masked Karen if she realised that they dont work. She scrunched up her eyes (and the rest of her face maybe?) And said “of course they do”, stuck her middle finger up at me as she walked away. Nice lady.
Stop the anti Karen meme eh and grow up a little?
So we assume that everyone on here hates all females called Karen? Really? Lol
Not all no – we have the lovely karenovirus after all
And I didnt downtick btw
Who I believe is male?
Hahaha – well well.
Maybe she knows you ?
Who?
I have a real problem with this approach but it is just my personal view. I don’t want to be asked why I’m not wearing one so I think I must afford others the same courtesy and not question them. It’s different if they bring the argument to you, then I would let them have it with both barrels but my unmasked face is never questioned so I keep silent.
I never have before either – she had a very small child with her who would have been far better seeing its mothers face.
I don’t disagree
Was editing above so it hasnt saved but nevermind.
Anyway wish I hadn’t posted how really. No intention to offend but seem to have, so I’ll leave it there.
Don’t worry, we’ve all done it, you are among friends.
While Nigel Farage seems to be very silent, Laurence Fox has useful info on his Twitter account ( has a lot of followers) and seems to genuinely care at our loss of Liberty.
Farage has become the invisible man.
Problem is he carries folk with him and doesn’t follow through . He is not a team player apparently which is not helpful either.
Another shill
Probably waiting for his orders.They will deploy him if things start to get out of hand.
How can anyone not see this is a far greater threat to British Independence and liberty than the EU.
If he was genuine he would be screaming from the rooftops about lockdown.
Richard Tice was good on talkradio this morning.
The governance structure of the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) is as follows:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency/about/our-governance
The Board minutes of 24th August 2020 disclose that the Agency is currently implementing a ‘Change Strategy’, led by EY:
“9.1 The Board considered a report on the implementation of the Phase One of the Change Strategy and of the initiation of Phase Two. The Board noted that Ernst and Young (EY) had won the bid to lead the Phase 2 (’Size and Shape’) programme through an open and competitive process.Work on Phase 2 will begin on 7th September. The Board was briefed on the staff workshops on the Change Strategy during August as well as the process for selecting Chief Officers. Dr Raine reported that the interviews for these appointments will take place during the w/c 24thAugust. The Board also commented on the implementation process for Phase 2 and beyond, and for the need to be open about inevitable redundancies that will flow from a slimmer but more agile agency.”
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/927395/Minutes_Board_meeting_August_2020_for_publication_on_GOV.UK.pdf
So, the regulatory body is currently being “slimmed” down.
Agile. That is just peachy
Effective would be better.
I have finally managed to secure a hip replacement privately in January. It was cancelled earlier this year since the NHS took over many private beds at massive expense even though they weren’t used. I also popped into Grace Cards and Books in Droitwich and thanked them for flouting Lockdown. They were mentioned here earlier in the week so I thanked them from all of us! Spent quite a bit in there, too!
All the best for your op. It’s disgusting that you should have had to wait all those extra months.
Thank you!
The New Year Honours List will be interesting.
Maybe two lists:
People who have done real good during the year, normal gongs.
People who have done harm to The UK during the plandemic, we will get the scaffold out.
Bring your sick bucket.
As long as F1 Hamilton isn’t on it oh and witless unbalanced fergusoncunt.
In a way, I actually kind of want them to do something like make Chris Whitty a ‘Sir’ – it might stir up a reaction from the public…
The Knighthhood goes with the job, along with the ‘Chair’ (professor of what, exactly and where?) He’ll have it,eventually.
Marcus Rashford to be made a Panto Dame
Is he not?
All of Sage knighted/damed
Damned.
Another ally to the cause:
Dr Colin M Barron the first bit is odd, but stay with it.
That was well worth the 13 minutes. Thanks for posting.
He’s got it spot on and an interesting, if slightly weird, delivery.
Great find
The Rapist’s Dad, Chief Sadist, Denier of Children’s Winter Clothes, and Wales top, top spanner has announced the pubs are to close again from the 4th
Oh I do love Marxism in action
Drakeford’s master-stroke firebreak was set to solve everything, but we all keep saying here on LS it just kicks the can down the road.
It robs Westminster of revenue, at no cost to the RD
Going by the woeful “reponse” of the Left, I’d say “Marxism in action” is a contradiction in terms!
Yes – could be a space was accidentally entered there!
I was a bit slow on the uptake there – but I get you!
Why don’t they just pursue a scorched earth policy and have done with it?
Interesting
https://theduran.com/the-link-between-fear-appeal-and-covid-19-perception-interview-with-dr-peter-breggin/
Being sceptical from the start I assumed Fauci and the Wuhan clan had perfected a vaccine at the same time as they developed the ‘gain of function’ virus for distribution. Obviously, its release could be timed to perfection when fear, confucion and anxiety had done its worst. However Peter Breggin suggests that Wuhan failed to develop a vaccine. If true that would be a big mistake. The scamdemic is now hostage to fortune. The vaccines will not arrive. Boris will have to try to justify endless lockdown.
Suggests the leak was an accident, but Bill Still reported at the beginning that there was a vaccine which was meant to give China international leverage. Video seems to have been taken down.
I was in Asda today and it reminded me of an incident a few weeks back (months even? I’ve lost track of time in all this) when they introduced a one way system that lasted about a week.
One day I found myself walking the wrong way up one of the aisles and a lady stood there staring at me. I looked at her perplexed. Without saying a word she pointed at the arrow on the floor. I laughed and said sorry I didn’t realise and carried on with my shopping.
I’m left wondering what that woman did when they took the arrows away and stopped with the pointless one way system. Did she have sleepless nights thinking that everyone should be using an imaginary one way system regardless or did she simply accept that it must now be safe because there were no more arrows on the ground?
I had some woman do something similar to me in Tesco back in April cos I’d walked past her to get to the veggie-goods refrigerator while she was taking her sweet time looking in the meat fridge. She turned around, lip wobbling in rage and eyes bulging with mania, and snarled at me: “Er, social distancing?” The rage in her was palpable so I stared back in undisguised curiosity at this bizarre spectacle. Then I laughed in her face and told her to get a grip. She was deranged like a mad dog, I swear. I wanted to slap some sense into the stupid cow.
Every single one of these have-a-go heros needs a good slapping and to be told to man up in no uncertain terms. My grandfather escaped Nazis behind enemy lines in Normandy as part of the Royal Signals regiment, was captured with his Aussie unit at the fall of Singapore and spent years in a Burmese PoW camp run by the Japanese. Like thousands of British men of his generation all did. And all so this daft cow and her unhinged ilk can soil themselves in Tesco and goose step around my Christmas dinner serving spoons???
Japanese PoW camp? They were meant to be really, really horrible.
Not the same thing, but linked, is something I mentioned a few weeks ago. I was watching Saving Private Ryan and it occurred to me that the people who had been in those boats and faced that unimaginable terror had just been abandoned to die alone on an old people’s homes not even able to hug their children in their last few moments.
That was actually the point that I went from angry to apoplectic with rage about the whole thing.
Yeah even as an old man, my grandad would overchew every single morsel of food and was always the last person to finish his meal. He was a proud, hard working (and popular) guy whose father had been a professional British Army soldier in India though and he got through the dark times and lived to his 90s.
They don’t seem to make them like that anymore
He had his elderly mum live in the downstairs floor of their Glasgow house when my dad was a kid too – so she could be looked after within the family. No negligent care homes for the old in those days!
We could all learn a lot from our grandparents’ generation I reckon.
Covid School have put arrows on floor but then Reception Bitch #2 now barks at you to use a different door than the arrows point to, cunning. I say ‘barks’, but she’s muzzled of course.
This weekend could be interesting…
Police have urged people not to attend a protest in central London this weekend during the coronavirus lockdown.
The Metropolitan Police said it is aware a protest has been planned for Saturday and organisers have been looking to hire coaches to help people travel to it from other parts of the country.
A police spokesman could not say what the protest is for, but said officers will be monitoring coaches travelling into the capital.
They’re a bit thick really aren’t they (the police I mean).
The thick ones are the good ones. The bad ones are thick and spiteful.
They will try and stop them on the motorways (al la miners strike). Best to get off the coaches way outside London and train/tube it in
looks like Unite for Freedom-it appears there are more than one location
I bet they have urged them not to attend
They may be thinking it’s payback time for all the people the police have beaten up in the past 8 months
Get in contact with Met Police press office and tell them you are protesting about climate change.
They will clear the traffic to let coaches get a better run into the capital and provide officers in costume for that full on part atmosphere.
Most audacious plan.
Almost cunning
Or that you are protesting the cut in foreign aid
In a pub?
Wylam will likely see them right.
Wylam , being in that covid hotspot of Northumberland, is in tier 3 so the Boathouse will be shut .
Small world. Spent many happy evenings in there as a youth
Opinion | Pope Francis: The Covid-19 Crisis Reveals What Is in Our Hearts – The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/pope-francis-covid.html
The Pope going all-in for lockdowns and the Great Reset.
And not caring at all for their collateral damages…
Who cares what the kiddie fiddlers think
Yes a staunch Catholic friend shared with me. Went straight to delete.
Strikes me that the Catholic church has finally acknowledged they no longer serve any purpose…all hail the great God Covid who must be appeased. Hand sanitizer in place of holy water… the fetishism of the masks which signify adherence to the cult. Why go to Mass when you can worship in the consumer temples?
Church leaders have failed people since this thing started. That the Pope wants to make poor people poorer and vulnerable people more vulnerable is frankly obscene
Metropolitan Police Retweeted
Met Police Events
@MetPoliceEvents
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We’re aware groups are intending to protest in #London tomorrow.
We want to be clear, gathering in groups is not permitted under the current regulations.
Anyone looking to join a protest is urged to stay home.
And on the tweet right underneath it:
Metropolitan Police
@metpoliceuk
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“No one has the right to tell you what you can and can’t do”
Fuckin’ morons
Following orders. No concern that laws may be against human rights. How many police officers criticise China and North Korea?
Just rebrand it as a BLM protest and they’ll take the knee
Do these knobs not know just how pathetic the word ‘bubble’, as used in the current context, is?
Isn’t the big problem that there will be loads more respiratory disease deaths in Jan, because there always are. And now flu is just re-branded as covid, they’ll all be labelled as covid. So, it will look like loads and loads of people are dying of covid. Therefore full lockdown until March?
How do we get around this/fight this forthcoming narrative?
Yep sadly you’re right so it comes down to people not getting tested. Plus, if the amount of deaths from flu over the winter is no worse than usual then it won’t matter as the excess deaths will be normal. It’s highly likely that winter flu deaths this year will be lower than average due to large amount of older people that died at the beginning of the year. They can try and label everything as covid if they want to but if there’s no excess deaths it’s irrelevant.
Mr and Mrs Lockdown don’t think in excess deaths, only COVID DEATHS.
Excess deaths are those considered over and above the average of the last five years, which is nothing really. The total deaths per million have been falling since the 1950s and started rising again around 2013/2014. The rate is still nowehere near where it was even in the 1990s. Excess deaths, like the R number, doesn’t mean anything on its own.
DavidC
The average E/W weekly death figures for Jan are
12,175 13,822 13,216 12,760 12,206
So the average is reasonably high if the actual deaths are close to average then that should make a reasonable case that things are OK.
Overall for 2020, despite covid deaths it looks as though registered live births will exceed registered deaths.
So that for 2020 we will have had a ‘deadly pandemic’ and yet by the end of the year the population of the country will have increased by something like 20000 people!
A very strange sort of pandemic!
It already is looking fishy. The flu levels have dropped more than any time in recorded history. So we are to believe that a virus that is even older than humans themselves suddenly disappears?
Logic and Occam’s Razor says otherwise
I pointed this out to work colleagues and they just laughed it off! Not once in their heads did they consider the fact that it’s highly unlikely flu has suddenly disappeared.
Let’s face it, it’s not highly unlikely. It’s impossible. It has definitely been re-branded as covid. There is no possible other explanation.
it also appears that Heart disease has disappeared, according to the chart atl
It’s very philosophical on here today. Occam, Hegel? What’s going on?
We are critiquing others’ impure reason.
Very good.
A Kant fan! I majored in philosophy a million years ago.
Not exactly a fan, but just something that Cambridge imposed on my impressionable young mind 40+ years ago as part of a Tripos part 2 paper in German Literature, Thought and History of the 18th Century.
It scarred me for life.
You are assuming all flu deaths previously had a test based diagnosis but a lot will purely have been on symptoms. That’s why the swop is easy. Flu deaths are a less precise number than people pretend.
I think there will be less than usual because most “dry tinder” (as Cummins puts it) will have gone in the second ripple.
I don’t think there will because there isn’t the low hanging fruit. Next spring/ summer we will start seeing the premature deaths from cancer etc.
The latest nonsense from no 10. We shall all be lingering over dessert.
https://www.standard.co.uk/reveller/bars/tier-2-rules-no-drinking-without-food-b80565.html
Tempted to go to the pub and order a plate of their cheapest meal with my first pint which I then leave on the table uneaten for the rest of the evening.
Share a bag of nuts between 175 of you
Cue the old joke about the free nuts bowl on the bar being tested and having 40 different types of urine.
I’m surprised some enterprising landlord hasn’t bought up a load of airline microwave meals and sell them at 50p a pop. Actually I think Sam Smiths might have done it several years ago but could be wrong.
I have just encouraged my local landlord with this very tactic. Some kind of cheap “Boris menu” which I won`t want or eat. He has agreed that this is a good idea!
Every publican put chocolate souffle on their menu and encourage their diners upon the very slow service of clearing main course plates to order it. It takes 40 minutes to cook.
Well done, Mum and friends!
A little bit off topic maybe, somebody the other day mentioned the Hegelian Dialectic. An interesting read, thanks. Here is an interesting article which links IMO to the current narrative.
https://newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm
https://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm – what is the Hegelian Dialectic
Party like its 1984
If we say the pubs stay open, they stay open
If we can give the Kaiser and Hitler a good kicking this bunch of bums will be no problem
Much as I would like landlords to do as they please, they would lose their license which means that they would definitely cease to trade as opposed to being unable to trade and probably ceasing to trade.
True – unless they kick up enough of a fuss with elected representatives, and ask why the PCR test is literally putting them out of business when it cannot determine infectious people. Band together and they have a powerful voice, and also potential media exposure – reporters won’t talk to Yeadon but they will talk to hospitality venues.
More antics from the geniuses at West Midlands Police:
Maskless Farmfoods customer rows with police as they issue her fine – despite claims she is exempt | Daily Mail Online
Just out of interest, if you ask for your day in court, do you THEN have to provide evidence? Or is the wrongful basis of the issuance of the fine sufficient to get it thrown out before it even gets to that?
The law does not require any evidence; although I am not sure I would want to rely on police, prosecutor or magistrate knowing the law.
I heard from a friend who works with Gloucestershire police that some officers are being asked, quietly, to stop maskless in shops and overstep their powers even though they know it’s not legal. The idea being, apparently, that reports of it happening will intimidate others into wearing them. The cops involved can then plead ignorance and there will be no repercussions.
Doesn’t surprise me. All of this will be thrown out when it gets to the courts, but by then I suppose it’s had its effect on people.
I’ve asked them to try to get evidence, which they have tentatively offered to do and which I will post on here should I get it
That will be interesting. Meanwhile the good cogniscenti of the Daily Mail forums seem to think the burden of proof is on the individual to show they are exempt which is of course wrong…
Or is it the 77th Brigade which thinks that?
The process is the punishment.
Simon Dolan tweeted this incident to West Midlands Police
See WMP response below
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1332323288467517443
I look forward to the grovelling apology…
It’s Catch-22: GPs have been instructed by the NHS not to issue certificates of exemption. You can’t prove you are exempt if you haven’t got a letter from your GP (and if cards printed off the internet aren’t valid).
‘German pork knuckles to Ecuadorian shrimp’
Sounds yummy
Mum-of-one told she has six months left to live. Cancer treatment cancelled because of ‘Covid’ –
https://twitter.com/CllrBSilvester/status/1332006104344260609?s=20
Bastards. Least she didn’t kill any bedridden, blind nonagenarians with advanced dementia.
Bang on the sentiment.
I hope her relatives sue the hell out of the Govt and the NHS.
Poor kid – only 23. Makes me so angry
Murder
I hope Hancock is proud of himself.
Northern Ireland
Anyone from NI? Post this to your MP. Hospital admissions lag infections by about 2 weeks. You can see that for, effectively the past 2 months there’s been no rising trend. If you’re interested we can put up ‘cases’ & deaths.
Thanks. I have a new email to go to my MP to be ignored. I’ll keep doing it, hammering him on PCR. But will reference this too. Any NI data is good!
Have to admit I was upset this afternoon. I never thought I was a particuarly hateful person but I’m becoming one. Not just the protagonists and collaborators but it’s the frustration over the blind, especially my family that hurts the most. They are good people and don’t deserve hate but it is increasingly difficult not to. Next week’s funeral, already a very sad personal event, is going to be very painful.
Life is sh*t for us all at the moment. Sadly for you there is something even worse than lockdown happening. It can all seem too much but try and stay sane. Your family are victims of Project Fear and are obviously more susceptible than you are to being misled. Try and understand them for now. Hating gives you so much more pain on top of the pain you already have.
My family is the same. I end up only talking superficial stuff with them after disagreeing with them over Brexit, politics generally, foreign affairs, in fact anything that I find important. COVID – forget it! But they are still my family and I prioritise future relations with them over anything else. As they say, you can choose your friends but not your family – i.e. you are stuck with them. But also, you can’t replace them either. Best of luck to you next week.
‘Families are wonderful things – they introduce you to people you’d otherwise never meet’ – Christopher Hitchens
China is up to its neck in this Scamdemic
No I don’t think so
The fictional Dear Deidre letter is odd. Why would anyone have found Johnson charming? I know some people do but it’s always been obvious to me that he’s a slippery blusterer who only cares about himself.
Sadly he has not had trouble getting female company. Difficult to understand
Some women like big powerful men. It turns them on.
True. Lyndon Johnson was an ugly git but seemingly had no trouble. Fathered at least one child with a mistress.
I think we have to be fair here. I hate the guy. But anyone who is capable of becoming the Prime Minister clearly has something about them. And a lot of power, which is always attractive to both sexes. I’ve heard that John Major is one of the most charming men you could ever meet.
I think it’s a metaphor for how the electorate felt about him in December 2019. And how his ephemeral charm might work on a lady. Hed be an entertaining dinner party guest but his novelty is soon gone.
What a difference a year makes.
“So I think people just have to have sense. The fact that you can do something – this is true across so many other areas of life – doesn’t mean you should.’
– Chris Whitty on whether people should hug or kiss their elderly relatives this Christmas.
Hey Whitty – just because the fact is you can lock people up doesn’t mean you should keep doing so”.
You sir are a CU*T. A word that offends many. But has never ever been so well applied. I can only assume this loveless creep has no joy in his life that does not extend beyond his cash or his computer hard drive.
I can think of many people I am desperate to hug every day of my life who are no longer around to do so. Life teaches you not to miss such opportunities as tomorrow never comes.
That word! I no longer mind it and use it myself more and more in the present situation. I remember Germaine Greer trying to reclaim it for its real old fashioned meaning but she didn’t get very far. Have you seen the “is a c*nt” website? Some very funny nominations on there.
Will go have a look. Cheers.
Great site.
I wonder what else he would like to stop us from doing? Almost everything I bet.
Cunt is a very accurate description because this is the same person that wouldn’t entertain the idea of people making their own personal risk assessments all in the name of public health of course because it would be unworkable a few months ago
Seems that he might have changed his tune but I wouldn’t give him the benefit of doubt.
Scotland, hospital admissions since Oct 13th
Send this to your MP & ask why you’re Locked down. There’s been no rising trend for 2 months, why should it suddenly take off now?
Because Krankie is fucking insane, Nick, that’s why!
Actually, I would ask the Scottish public: “Did you know only 26 people under the age of 45 have died of ‘the covid’ in Scotland?
Source: https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland/resource/19646dce-d830-4ee0-a0a9-fcec79b5ac71
It goes to show how the MSM maggots are in on the scam, a simple question isn’t it.
‘So 1st minister the data shows that only 26 people under the age of 44 have died with ‘it’ and it’s clear that 74% of deaths are to people over the age of 75, so how can you justify locking down 5.5m people based on these figures?’
“Because ah rool an’ ah says so! Fan-dabi-dozi!”
Aaaaa can see covids right up your nose!
It is strange, but the punishment Nicola Sturgeon is dishing out to her beloved Scots makes me wonder if she actually hates them
Not at all. She’s like Elena Ceaușescu and loves her Scottish children and has “raised them like a mother”.
Today’s figures, downward trend continues. The only thing that seems to have gone up is the number of tests.
Perfect reason to apply more restrictions then…
Spun as lockdown works of course
Gotta keep chasing those positive tests oh sorry Cases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iDFMhm2cJg
Richard Tice interviewed by Mike Graham on talkRADIO today. They don’t go nearly far enough of course, but if scepticism has penetrated this far into the MSM landscape then the game is up. It’s only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down. The comments are savage as well.
I enjoyed that, thanks Richard O. I bet Richard Tice uses this site as a source. He does speak very eloquently about they key issues.
Yes he is very clued up about the PCR test, and is clearly not going to let go of the issue. Debunking the test is the critical first step in unravelling the monumental edifice of lies.
I wouldn’t classify Talk Radio as MSM in any way whatsoever.
They have consistently been skeptics and you should hear Julia Hartley Brewer giving government ministers a thrashing when they try the BS.
Mike Graham usually doesn’t take prisoners either. He’s been barred by Twatter so must be doing something right.
Just my opinion of course.
You have to remember that they have to strike a bit of balance otherwise they will get a kicking by the regulators.
Welsh Hospital Admissions
Send this to your MP & demand why are they locking you down?
English Hospital Admissions
I fail to see how a flatlining rate of hospital admissions can overwhelm the NHS?
A break out of the shits on a single ward in an average hospital seems to overwhelm the NHS.
NHS. So good. No country on the earth has the same system. Bang your pots.
I can well imagine that some units in some hospitals are under a lot of pressure but this says more about poor management in the NHS and an inability to deploy resources than it does about covid.
As has been pointed out here before, some units in some hospitals are under pressure every year at this time
The management of Covid-19 by Johnson and the Team was designed to conceal Tory mismanagement of and under-investment in the NHS over decades. The NHS is at capacity every winter. Having said that, I’m not a fan – I think it’s a millstone round the country’s neck, a monolith that guarantees we shall always be socialist and, now, as I predicted some years ago, a curtailment of our freedom.
Yes if the NHS is so wonderful why has no other country copied the model? Most of the boots on the floor are okay but the most money is spent on middle management and office types who would not know a band aid from a suppository.
So true. Over managed and grossly incompetently managed.
Bugle one thing yhe NHS is NOT is underfunded.
I know what you mean, but the funding that there is does not get to the right places. That’s why everything is crap.
Just occurred to me when I saw your post that there’s another reason hospitals everywhere are claiming they are overwhelmed. Pre-Covid, if you gave a shit about a family member who was in hospital, you’d be there many hours a day to make sure they weren’t being neglected and to basically do much of the nursing work on their behalf. Now that visitors aren’t allowed in, the staff actually have to do all the work themselves. No more free labour.
After months of being the only non-masker in my Birmingham Lidl, I spotted another 4 while doing my weekly shop today.
Here’s good job for a sceptic to put a spanner in the works:
https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=dXNlcnNlYXJjaGNvbnRleHQ9MTE0NzQ0NjIxJmpvYmxpc3Rfdmlld192YWM9MTY5NzYyMiZvd25lcnR5cGU9ZmFpciZvd25lcj01MDcwMDAwJmNzb3VyY2U9Y3Nmc2VhcmNoJnBhZ2VjbGFzcz1Kb2JzJnNlYXJjaF9zbGljZV9jdXJyZW50PTEmcGFnZWFjdGlvbj12aWV3dmFjYnlqb2JsaXN0JnJlcXNpZz0xNjA2NDY3NzExLTUwOWRkMDEyZDMzMTE3ZGM3NjNkYjFhYWVkNGRiMjNlZDg4OTFkYjE=
12 months contract running track and trace cell from home.
Sorry but having worked for myself for 30 plus years I am unemployable – not least for these public sector dickheads
Me too at least for a salaried job anywhere in this blighted country.
Working self-employed as and when I feel like ti – much more enjoyable and anyone gives me any bollocks I tell them to get stuffed, nicely of course.
A grade 7 role is not senior really, no matter how much they pretend.
Grade 7 is 2 rungs under senior civil servant (SCS), the civil service is now full of grade 7’s spouting common purpose twaddle.
When I first started in the civil service over 20 years ago Grade 7’s were as rare as hen’s teeth, nowadays they are 2 a’penny.
BTW I’m a grade 6……
Not really….just joking.
It’s more junior than me. And, trust me, I’m not senior.
ONTARIO, CANADA
‘The police are to deployed to enforce controlled demolition of the economy’ –
https://twitter.com/RealDavidJensen/status/1332368615690014721?s=20
There was a decent protest at the Ontario parliament in Toronto yesterday as well. There’s some pushback, but the vast majority still believe we should go into a Melbourne-style lockdown. That’s why I live in the country now! I’m done with Toronto.
That’s terrible. I’ve seen talk of detention centres in Canada. Why are Canadians not up in arms about that?
Randy Hillier is a hero in my eyes. He got arrested standing up to tyranny. The rest of Canada’s pro-lockdown politicians should be ashamed, as well as the Canadians calling for lockdowns – the mainstream media is the virus
The stories about detention centres have been overblown so far as I can tell. Most cities in North America are scouting locations for people to quarantine who are unable to do so at their homes and for international arrivals who have nowhere to quarantine. I’m not so naive as to believe we couldn’t be forced to quarantine, but thus far there is nothing like that going on. Randy Hillier is a hero, no question about it. There are quite a few groups in Canada who are fighting the tyranny — No More Lockdowns, Hugs Over Masks, Vaccine Choice Canada (suing all levels of government over Covid restrictions), Parents For Mask Free Education, Stand Up Canada, and perhaps more. The MSM is disgusting and is the virus, but most of our politicians are also complicit. While Canadians are definitely compliant by nature, I’m not convinced we’re any different from Americans in blue states, New Zealanders, Australians, etc.
https://youtu.be/8MWEk7yZzSw
Denmark.
The hypothermic children of Wales are now in a refugee centre in Bristol
They thank you donations of winter clothes
Got pissed off yesterday when sitting wit Mrs Awkward while she flicked through the evening news and so on I sent this or similar to ITV, Central news and Andy Street the Birmingham mayor via his Conservatives website page:
Wasting my time I know but we both felt better doing it.
Simply outstanding. Hats off to you!
AG – That quote from your FOI, I have downloaded the document from when you posted the link at an earlier date. Do you have any objections if I use the quote from DHSC [bit that says: does not mean the patient has the virus] am contacting local businesss in my area, trying to give them some more ammo to lobby with. If enough business can kick up a fuss, MPs will find it hard to ignore.
Feel free.
It’s been on social media by laworfiction, francis hoar among others.
Now with various lawyers involved in the preparation of court cases.
Thank you sir/madam for your efforts. You are not wasting your time. We are in a guerrilla war with these people and anything that holds them up or delays them by diverting manpower is worth it, even if it is just a few minutes for them to send a stock reply. We should all be regularly writing complaints to the press, TV, MPs etc (as well as writing encouragement to those on our side). You can tell from my post that I probably watched too much ‘Secret Army’ as a boy!
Apologies to W.S.
O Covid, Covid, wherefore art thou Covid?
Deny thy followers and refuse their game.
Or if thou wilt not, be but sworn a lie
And I’ll no longer be a Sceptic.
‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy:
Thou art thyself, a cold, not a Monster.
What Monster? It is not hand nor face
Nor arm nor space nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O be some other name.
What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet, lest only we could smell;
So Covid would, were he not Covid call’d,
Retain that rare infection which he shows
Without that title. Covid, doff thy name,
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Give me back myself.
Brilliant!
I’ve been racking my brains of late as to think up a simple but hard hitting way of describing to others why I genuinely find face masks so distressing. Does anyone have any ideas?
Somebody the other day, I think on Peter Hitchens’ Twitter, described them as ‘insidious’, which is a very good way of summing up the whole thing, but I’m not sure that would get through to the wider populace. I genuinely don’t think people are aware of how mentally and societally harmful these things will prove to be. Many perhaps assume that they are just a short term measure.
Unhygienic. Dehumanising. Sign of compliance. Fearmongering.
I remember telling a hairdresser that I found them dehumanising. Which of course they are. His response – ‘well everything else is wearing them. It is what it is. There’s a pandemic’. Rinse and repeat. Not an awful person, but he clearly didn’t have a clue.
What really bothers me is that these people haven’t given a moment’s thought it seems to what is going to end this i.e. every day of every year we are carrying various germs around. So are they OK with wearing masks forever?
That’s it. They don’t think about it at all. So many people seem unwilling to think beyond the end of their own noses. Therefore, they will never consider the medium, never mind long term.
It does make you wonder just what people would be prepared to do if the government told them to do it. I don’t think there is a limit. If you don’t have the capacity to think things through yourself, and you are more than happy to defer to ‘experts’, you’ll do literally anything the government tells you to do. Masks per se are not the issue; it’s the weak minds behind them.
It is deeply worrying. If I, by some twist of fate, ever become PM in the near future, maybe I’d try imposing the most ludicrous rules that I could think of in order to see just how craven and gullible people were. Something like you must hold a lollypop crossing patrol stick with you at all times upon leaving your house. Or you must wear a cone shaped hat with a D on it at all times. People would do it! As long as you justified it by saying that you’d be fined if you didn’t and it would ‘help save lives’ of course!
Ross Perot in the US, in 1992 made a major dent in the Presidential election as a 3rd party candidate (almost 20% of the popular vote) floated a policy of ‘ban all beards’ which he was known to enact in his business life. Seemingly few people noticed even his own VP pick had a beard.
Mask wearing perpetuates the weak mindedness in others. That’s the idea.
In a way masks are a big issue, because they are so easily visible and they mark the wearer out as a Covid collaborator. Where I live mask wearers in the street are mostly the frightened old and infirm. Also some younger people seem to think masks look cool, though one look at the masked up elderly should tell them otherwise, but inexplicably it doesn’t seem to.
I am waiting for some online megatroll to start a rumour that stuffing a hotdog sausage up each nostril prevents Covid. Just to see the loons do it.
I don’t think there’s any point trying to get people to think in abstract terms about facemasks. Just stick to ‘they don’t really protect against Covid and can actually cause problems because they are unhygienic. If they work, why didn’t we have to wear them when Covid was at its peak in March?’ etc.
I tried that ‘why weren’t we wearing them in March’ argument with that hairdresser I mentioned earlier. He made some irrelevant comparison with slavery. ‘Well, we can’t change what happened in the past. We should have been wearing them in March, but we weren’t.’ Yeah…
With logic like that, I’m glad his only responsibility is cutting hair!
I have a complete aversion to masks and never wear one. They are the worst thing for me and utterly despicable.
I have an NHS appointment next week at which I’ve been told ‘a mask must be worn’. I’m going to defy it and I’m also going to ask the doctor some pointed questions. For starters, if masks are a proven barrier to flu viruses why has the the NHS not thought to recommend them to us as a preventative measure in years gone by? ( what I really mean is why is any ‘Health’ service recommending a talisman?)
If they put a gun to my head, I’ve a very fetching novelty gas mask that I can wear. Bet they’d love that. Covers the eyes too so extra ‘Covid safe’…
My hospital has a box at the door, you take one as you go in. The box specifically said the masks did not work for viruses.
They literally ‘deface’ human beings.
‘Eyes without a face
Got no human grace
Your eyes without a face
Such a human waste’
Billy Idol
I, too, find it distressing not just to wear one but to see others wearing them. Early on I read something that has stuck with me: the only people who historically have worn masks are criminals, anarchists and perverts. A hard hitting image that has stayed with me and that I believe has been posted here in the past is the image of the African slave wearing a mask. That image should disturb everyone. I’m not the best with technology so maybe someone can post the image; might be worth printing it and carrying it with you to share with anyone on the fence who might be open to persuasion.
When I watch the demos from Germany, I always chuckle at myself. These days the police and authorities make mask wearing a requirement, when it is actually illegal to cover your face at demos after violent demos in the late 80s.
They are quite harmful and unpleasant and anyone who says they don’t find them unpleasant is simply a big fat liar because otherwise why do people keep fiddling with them?
But the main thing for me is we know they do not work and are not being mandated for public health reasons but to perpetuate the Big Lie and save various politician’s careers. So wearing one is to accept that we are happy to let ourselves be lied to by evil men and women, and follow their orders anyway. We hate masks because we love truth, and value truth above almost everything else.
I think the combination of masks being medically useless (and actually harmful if worn for extended periods), psychologically humiliating, aesthetically hideous and a sign of the wearer’s complete surrender of bodily autonomy to the state are my main concerns.
They’re a symbol of repression, self harm (lung problems), suffocation, compliance, success of propaganda, intimidation, aggression, conformity, deceit, fascism
I feel aggressive when I see them and even more thinking of them forced on people. If you said to most that antenna on their heads would help too, they would do it.
Just watching Ivor Cummins interview with dr Malcolm Kendrick. He said the problem is mask wearing seems to sound right. Cover my mouth stop a disease. But like a lot of science its counter intuitive. He used the case of the doctor who looked at surviving heart attack victims who were forced to lay still in bed and not move for a month. He started sitting people up and eventually coming up with what we do now which is to NOT lay still. But it does not sound right, people who worked on the ward were giving him a nazi salute as they thought he was killing them. In fact he was saving their life as we know now. Eventually the truth will come out about masks, and boy will the muggles be angry.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1330562373917274113.html
Saw that on his Twitter. He’s bang on. His cartoons are also superb. Funny, but simultaneously serious and also often quite poignant.
The Borg. You will be assimilated…..
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Need to turn up in numbers. The dictatorship probably won’t allow protests next year either.
Hi i’ve just wached a Mike Yeadon video on youtube called EXPERT ON VIRUSES DISAGREES WITH LIBERAL POLITICIANS ,is this the video he did for the unlocked group ? .It is in his garage and has an unlocked padlock sign on screen .I’m shit at tech and need to learn how to send link so if anyone can find and link THANKS . Maybe i’m behind the news but i didn’t know his video was reinstated and it look strange it only has 16 000 views .
Anyone here who lives in Bristol? A bakery that has a death wish and is also begging to be sued for discriminating against people with disabilities:
https://twitter.com/Sprinter0712/status/1332253415641149440
BOYCOTT!!
I understand the zoo is closing in Bristol, been there since the 1830s
Tragic
I think they are planning to move to an out of town site and build a bigger zoo. The current zoo is in one of the most expensive parts of Bristol so I can kind of understand why it might be a shrewd move to sell that land and move somewhere where you can get more land for your money. I’ll still be sad to see it go from the current site though.
Getting absolutely roasted in the comments
https://www.facebook.com/937500596286270/posts/3483312995038338/
I really think such planks are in the minority. Have seen a few businesses think they have read the public mood and go no masks no entry. They get backlash immediately, especially on their social media where people feel more able to vent
Wow, it’s reassuring to see all those comments!
Best comment: “Hi Pinkmans, I run a PR company and we’d like to represent you as we think we’d do a better job than your current outfit. We used to do the PR for Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe, Margaret Thatcher, Myra Hindley and Jeremy Beadle so you can see you’ll be in good hands. Really looking forward to working with you.”
Just saw it. They’re really getting hammered badly.
What a disgrace! I’d boycott for sure. I just tried to book a service I had in October from a business that honoured my mask exemption but now says they’ve been given new “protocols” from our local public health unit and are no longer allowed to provide services to anyone not in a mask. I wrote back and explained to them that this new guidance is just that, and does not supersede the law. There has been no change in Ontario’s masking law, including exemptions, and so as a business they are actually breaching the law and I could sue them in small claims court or launch a human rights complaint. I’m trying to educate more than anything because small businesses don’t really understand their obligations and are being bullied into breaking the law by unelected public health officials. It remains to be seen whether they want my business or not but I’m hoping they reconsider after reading my response. We must both educate and push back against these businesses.
Well said. I’ve always despaired at the use of “Covid safety” to justify poor customer service, discrimination and bullying. We should push back and say that this is unacceptable.
My sister in law has had 6 text messages in the last 2 weeks about results of Covid tests that she never had. She has been negative once and positive five times. No wonder we’re in tier 3
Brewery/P×ss up ?,?,?
Did she download the NHS Track and Trace app?
No
I’ve sent a FOI request to the NHS/DHSC asking them how they are dealing with these non-existent positive cases because they told me they did send all positive tests are dealt with like this:
No answer as yet.
How can this be?
“The UK’s Track ‘n’ trace system is world leading and is the gold standard of contact tracing technology”.
Sir Allen……
Because a number of countries have not been stupid enough to mass test, – Japan certainly for a big part of the year (not sure currently) have really a comparatively low key testing regime, shock horror they were concentrating largely on vulnerable & y’know, actually sick people; BBC reported about the shocking approach raised serious questions!
Secondly – lots of countries dumping the testing. Merkel said something to that effect in Germany a few weeks ago (again not 100% sure of current status). couple of other countries, eg. Norway, forced to stop the test because of invasive privacy issues that were hauled up in court.
“World leading” could be technically correct depending on how much competition there is & what the measurement of success is… bit like the guy who wrote a booklet, sold one copy to his neighbour, and could legitimately say it was his “2007 Best Seller”. context is everything!
Get her to send them to Peter Hitchens
Are MrsAwkward and myself super intelligent or the MSM and most people stupid?
Only asking as I cannot understand why the MSM keep saying that mass testing is bringing the infections down as if the test itself cures you of it and the morons and idiots they interview go along with it without blinking an eyelid or a brain cell overheating.
You and the Mrs are super intelligent, as is everyone else on this forum, and the MSM and many others are either stupid or evil or both
Thank you for agreeing with me – great minds think alike or is it a case of fools seldom differ?
It is the same weird psycho-babble that they employ to peddle smart meters, to my mind testing, smart meters and phone apps are all about control, about the powers that be knowing all about you and what you are doing so that they can exert control.
I sent my non-consent for a smart meter letter to all my utility companies a few years ago.
It does work and after a few times when they try and get you to have one and you say “check my records, I’ve registered non-consent so stop contacting me or else” the hassle all stops.
They were very apologetic when they even tried the underhanded technique of saying our electric meter needed maintenance by a 3rd party contractor and may need changed depending on what was found wrong with it and I called them, explained the situation and the 3rd party contractor back pedalled big time, called the utility company who called me back in minutes grovelling and creeping about a mix up in databases and so on.
Water company wanted to install something similar as well for bluetooth/wireless/rfid transmitter technology add-on so the guy doesn’t have to knock the door and that was promptly stopped as well.
Just mention electromagnetic hypersensitivity and they go all defensive and really back off.
Just agree to give them a meter reading whenever they one that’s it – you have to do this with a smart meter as well, they don’t really tell anyone that though – so it’s not any different from what you have to do anyway.
Oh God, don’t! I’ve just had yet another huge row with Bulb over that very thing today. For about the fourth time now, I think.
Today, I just said put me through to cancellations, who were ‘engaged’ she said. They promised it won’t happen again… again.
Actually the reason why the mass-testing is bringing infection cases down ie Liverpool, where only 0.04% of 500,000 people tested were found to have the virus, is because in Liverpool they used the Lateral Flow Test, which only picks up live virus. Actual live virus – not multiple strands of dead or old virus from previous infections like the PCR test has been picking up since they started Pillar 2 testing (community testing). Only live virus can infect a person (ie transmission), and only live virus can make a person sick. If they keep on using the LFT for mass-testing, then it will indeed bring ‘cases’ down. Because huge numbers of the ‘cases’ were never cases in the first place. The whole thing, all of it, the overreaction, all of it, has been caused by the inappropriate use of the PCR test. The PCR test was only ever designed/sanctioned, by the inventor of it, to be used in clinical settings by trained professionals, and only on people with symptoms of sickness. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic tool on its own (ie no symptoms, no clinical assessment of symptoms) outside of a clinical setting, ie doctor’s/nurses office or sterile lab. The actual PCR machine carries a warning label on its side when it leaves the manufacturer – Not To Be Used As A Standalone Diagnostic Tool (I’m paraphrasing here) only for ‘screening’ purposes, ie to help a doctor confirm a diagnosis after he/she suspects a particular condition. And in inexperienced or untrained hands it is susceptible to huge discrepancies. If they stop using the PCR test in Pillar 2 testing, and continue mass-testing using the LFT, the virus will suddenly virtually disappear – except for those who are genuinely sick with cv. Yes that’s right, virtually disappear, because it was never as bad as ‘they’ve’ led us to believe. CSO & CMO would’ve known this, had they sought any advice or direction from people far more expert on this matter than them. ie Scientists outside of SAGE & outside of Neil Ferguson’s Research Centre at Imperial College. I believe they were determined not to seek any outside expert opinion or input. I’ll you to decide for yourselves the reasons why that might be the case. Don’t let anyone feed you the bs that the LFTs are unreliable or faulty or unsuitable for use. It is just that – BS. I have my sources.
Ps. The BBC is definitely not going to reveal this one. I doubt very much they will even get a whiff of it. It will all start to go into reverse very very quietly. Starting with the announcement that mass-testing will bring ‘cases’ down. And we’ve already seen that. But only if GovUK REALLY wants to get out of this mess. Very quietly, expect to see the disappearance of Vallance, Whitty and Hancock over the next few weeks. You will see less and less of them. If it’s in the interests of BJ himself, and his cronies, to keep this theatre going until ‘whenever’ – then you can bet you will hear the narrative on the MSM that the Lateral Flow Tests have been proven to be faulty or unreliable in the detection of Covid. And this BS will come out of SAGE too. And ALL this BS will continue. Only agree to get tested as long as you’ve made rock-solid sure that you are receiving a LFT not a PCR test. Best wishes from a concerned citizen.
I’ve been waiting for the govt to claim that the LFTs are missing all those cases. But instead they’ve decided to claim that the very act of using them has virtually eradicated the virus. Maybe a hopeful sign?
Pps. I’m banking on Johnson valuing his political career over any potential $billions in back-handers, from dubious PPE contracts, dubious Test & Trace contracts and Big Pharma Vaccine companies. And mega-rich ‘philanthropic’ organisations.
Harriet Baldwin (her words below) – my MP before moving house. Now it’s Nigel Huddleston. Unfortunately. I’ve written to him six times since April this year and I haven’t had a single reply. Harriet Baldwin at least used to reply. I used to get actual hard-copy letters on Parliament-headed paper. Has NH now joined the Covid Recovery Group perchance? Former Party whip? Is he now finally up in arms – because WE are now in Tier 2 instead of 1? How dare BJ put *his* constituency in Tier 2? Now of course we need to see the evidence for that don’t we? “I thought you were my fwend Boris”.
“I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate.
Over 23 million of us were living under Tier 1 restrictions before the lockdown – that figure will be under 1 million in December. There is no logic whatsoever in having a month of lockdown only for people to have to live under an even more severe set of restrictions afterwards.
That’s why we must see the evidence, the data and the cost benefit analysis – published in full and on time – so that we can assess whether or not the current strategy is working, and make sure we know if we are being asked to vote for something with an end date and which will explicitly save more lives than it costs”
HB, don’t you think you ought to have insisted on seeing the above evidence – data/cost:benefit analysis BEFORE you voted for the second lockdown?
You all mostly make me sick. Sir Desmond Swayne for PM. Or Sir Graham Brady. But I can’t help being swayed by Desmond Swayne’s passion. And cahunas to speak out the way he did in the HoC. Pity there was a hardly anybody there to see/hear him.
God help us. That’s all I can say.
Yes, better late than never from Baldwin but what strategy did she think was going to be developed in those 28 days? Ci fai o ci sei? As they say in Italy. Are you really thick or are you just pretending?
You’ve made a very good point. Love that – not familiar with Italian – more of a French/Spanish sort of person. But it’s probably a very accurate assessment. I have actually wondered this year, Coronavirus2020 year, what percentage of British parliamentarians actually do have even a modicum of intelligence/critical thinking skills. But I can’t make my mind up if they’re thick or just don’t care enough to do the job properly. And they’re actually only interested in their career and political ascension.
“what percentage of British parliamentarians actually do have even a modicum of intelligence/critical thinking skills.”
Interesting conundrum.. in the last few weeks I have seen two examples on MSM, not sure if they were Parliamentarians, but maybe junior Ministers but they were apparently something in Gov; – one saying the low est. transmission rate between schoolchildren is because “they are quite little” and another saying, ‘I know electric cars are expensive but in the future you’ll still be able to get around on a bicycle’ – I can see an advertising campaign now: ‘Look at all these brilliant cycle lanes – perfect for those weekly household supermarket shops, or trips with your pet to the vet…’!
My MP never replies despite voting against the government every time, like he doesnt care what his constituents think anyway. At least he’s doing the right thing even if it is for himself.
Did all those MPs really believe that Johnson and cronies would come up with some amazing new strategy in just 4 weeks when they haven’t managed to do so in nearly 9 months? If so they are even thicker than I thought, and that’s saying something. What did they think would happen? We’d be off singing into the sunset come Dec 2, frollicking off to the pub and the theatre like we did pre-March 2020? Surely it’s obvious even to the dimmest of the dim that lockdown is the only strategy that has ever been and ever will be?!
I have just sent a large number of emails to Keir Starmer in an attempt to clog up his in-box a bit. Each one is headed PLEASE DON’T SUPPORT LOCKDOWNS OR THIS NEW TIER SYSTEM worded in various ways.
I have also wittily called him Sir Tier Skarmer in one or two of them.
I doubt that I will receive a reply but if everyone sends 5 or 6 quick emails along these lines he might get a vague sort of sense that many people are desperately opposed to the whole appalling business.
Just a thought.
His email address is leader@labour.org or somesuch. Sorry I’m not sufficiently well versed to do a link. It’s quite easy to find though.
Keir Starmer has no humanity to appeal to I’m afraid
Can anyone explain how the WEF’s Klaus Schwab already have 12.5 K followers on Twatter when he has only twatted once and that was yesterday?
Are they all abusive?
Maybe it was PCR tested with a high CT.
That’ll be the AI he keeps going on about.
Well, there’s Bojo, Handjob, Kier, Manny, Mutti, Bliar, Krankie, Dan A., Rosa Klebb, Kronsteen…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdCo8UVxeXU
Kronsteen at work…
Quality! Love Vlad.
So I stumbled on the news – damn! Couldn’t avoid it in time! And I saw all the bright red splurges on the map and bletherings about “tiers” and then stuff about vaccines and Boris in a lab and working a big test tube machine etc. And I had this really odd feeling that everyone would stop and they would try to control their facial muscles – but eventually they wouldn’t be able to help themselves. They would twitch, they would waver, they would crack and then they’d start guffawing uncontrollably and never be able to stop. “Covid? Har har! Oh we can’t keep spouting this crap any longer!”
Was it ch4 news? Did you see that excuse of a scientist talking why we need lockdowns?
She did not bring 1 plausible argument.
Ch4 are the most biased of the MSM lot , they make the BBC look almost impartial – CH4 do not even bother pretending to be balanced
I keep having this dream (fantasy maybe) that we go to sleep on December 31st and when we wake up it is January 2020 again and we get a do over. That this version of 2020 never happened. That we wake up from this nightmare. I’ve just looked up current and ongoing restrictions in France and Germany (can’t even deal with knowing about Spain.) A living nightmare and worst for the most disadvantaged. We are being ravaged. By what??! Human fear. Where can we go? Where is it safe?
How on earth do these TV reporters keep a straight face?
“Don’t play board games at Christmas”.
“Have a virtual Christmas”.
Open windows in the middle of the winter” “Postpone Christmas until next year”.
Because of blah,blah,blah,blah.
God knows
If they follow this rubbish themselves they are clearly mad/damaged/reptilian
if they don’t follow it they are hypocrites
ladies & gentlemen, start your engines:-
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/
Brilliant!
Amazing. Thank you for that link. But I am being prevented from signing up to the channel to get updates. Anyone else?
I have been the subject of a great deal of shaddow-banning this year on Tw & YT etc, and my very experienced and highly capable ‘full-stack’ web dev son believes both my laptop and my phone have either been hacked or our actual LAN has been cyber-attacked/stalked via our IP address. He hasn’t had time yet to look into it fully and so I’m still in the dark relatively speaking as to how it’s actually happening. But happening it is.
I’m on a Chromebook and it says ‘Google Chrome OS can’t open this page’
I’ve sent the link to some people on Messenger and they say they can’t get into to it. I can still get into it, but just get the above message when I click the button to receive updates.
Fantastic, I support this 100%.
Was inevitable, wasn’t it?
Brilliant !
‘While Labour continues to support the Government’s Covid strategy no Tory rebellion can realistically succeed. However, relying on opposition MPs to bail you out is never a good look for a Prime Minister and often means his (or her) days are numbered. And what if Keir Starmer sniffs an opportunity and switches to opposing the measures? The new tier system, in which the majority of English citizens have been placed in a higher tier than they were before the four-week lockdown, looks to be a massive own-goal by Boris and is bound to poll badly. Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North who’ve been placed in Tier 3, particularly those that deserted the party for the Conservatives last December.’
Aahh ha ha ha ha – they’re both hanging themselves with their own rope – ahh ha ha ha!
‘Starmer may conclude that opposing the measures – and calling for a continuing national lockdown instead – is a way to ingratiate himself with Labour’s traditional voters in the Midlands and the North’
‘Labour’s traditional voters’ – I love the use of the word traditional here. You mean the middle-classes? Because you’re most definitely not talking about the realLabour voters. They’re abandoning Labour in their droves – utterly disgusted. Those paying attention anyway. Both BJ & KS are most definitely hanging themselves by their own rope. And they most definitely deserve every last knot.
If this shower are still in by the next election – which is looking increasingly unlikely (thank God!) – then I shall be defacing my ballot paper in protest. If Keir Starmer is still standing as Labour Party Leader in 2024, and someone whom I can get behind is standing for the Cons.Party, then I will be voting Conservative for the first time in my life. I’m 54.
I don’t understand the logic here – why would people who are annoyed to be in Tier 3 be pleased to go back into a full lockdown? Because they want the whole country to suffer together? Doesn’t make sense to me.
If you don’t understand it, that makes you sane
Doesn’t make sense because that’s not what we want. Total BS to divide us. We want tier 0 country wide.
On the 10th November “Aban” posted on Lockdownsceptics the following:-
The peak looks like it was the 23rd. Or is it too soon to speak? But Aban appears to be almost bang on with the number. On the 23rd the number was 13,767
On the 3rd November Chris Whitty told the Commons Science and Technology Committee:
Does that sound like he was predicting a number under14,000 three weeks later?
How is it that Aban is better at predicting than he is?
Who is Aban?
Here are the latest hospitalisation figures for England:-
26-11-2020 13,028
25-11-2020 13,337
24-11-2020 13,587
23-11-2020 13,767
22-11-2020 13,445
21-11-2020 13,214
20-11-2020 13,364
(If Mr. Whitty was a clairvoyant he’d clearly be starving.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55107272 Incorrect test results
Am I reading this right? Did this fucking clown lock his daughter in her room for 4 days?
What a twat!
I don’t believe it
more propaganda
Josef fritzl
Sue!
Massive thanks to everyone who posted kind words of encouragement on my earlier post when I was having an existential crisis about ditching the visor for my weekly trip to Waitrose. Anyway, I did it – yay! And now having done it once, I know I can do it again. In fact, talking to the checkout lady about mask exemptions she told me that her daughter has severe asthma and would therefore be exempt from wearing one, however, despite her breathing difficulties she insists on wearing one in order to feel like she is doing the right thing and to not be judged by others. This makes me more resolved than ever that it is my civic duty to do everything I can to help re-normalise being normal again.
well done! the more you go face naked the easier it is. even when surrounded by the brainless zombies.
Fruitbat it gets easier with each shopping trip.
Great work. I missed your earlier post, so for what it’s worth I’ll add how utterly asinine it is for anyone to think that a visor can prevent viral transmission. It was nothing more than a sign that you were willing to surrender your bodily autonomy to the (criminal and psychopathic) state, so by ditching it you are reclaiming that autonomy.
Thanks Richard. The only reason I was wearing a visor before was to try and reduce the overpowering feeling that all the masked zombies would be judging me.
And now you have conquered that feeling, which is brilliant. If anyone gives you a hard time, just remember that they are brainwashed and therefore in no position to be the judge of anything.
Why care what zombies think?
That having been said, you may be sure that many of those nappied goons hate the loathsome things and envy your courage.
I love looking at people and show them a big smile.
Often they avoid me, I think, jealous or embarrassed.
Makes me feel better to see them cringe, and I feel like I can encourage them to take their face covering off.
Good on you! I had my first experience this week as well — had to go into a government office for something that couldn’t be done online. I walked right in, made no eye contact with anyone (except the person serving me of course), and was helped without incident. The government employees do know they can’t discriminate so I knew I’d be OK. Haven’t gone into a grocery store yet but hubby confirmed with the store we frequent that I would not be hassled if I came into the store mask free. I haven’t been since July and he’s been doing all the shopping, but perhaps I’ll give it a go. All of you give me courage!
Fantastic! I am sure as many others have said, it gets easier the more you go for it.
It’s actually quite good fun, I find.
Do it. Scary at first but I now find it rather enjoyable. I just pretend to myself that the masked fools do not exist.
Recently 4 hours at The Trafford Centre I was one of only four people from thousands not wearing a mask. I felt totally normal. I was there with my granddaughters (5 and 18) and totally refuse to damage them psychologically by masking up anywhere.
However my heart was heavy at the sight of the masked masses thinking they’re doing the right thing.
Well done! Welcome back to the human race!
Do you know – it is remarkably easy. Never had a problem anywhere, not once. Most people don’t care or are more nervous of saying something than you are of hearing it.
It always makes me happy to see another maskless person in any shop – and the more of us people see, the braver they will become. The journey to freedom starts with a single mask. Well done mate
Thank you. I will be so happy the day I actually see another unmasked shopper in Waitrose that I probably won’t be able to stop myself running over and giving them a hug!
You do that, Fruitbat!
If it’s me, we’ll then perform a little jig in front of the patisserie counter.
If it’s me, my wife will start to beat me around the head with her umbrella …
Well done! I am so pleased that I backed myself into a corner right at the start of this such that I couldn’t wear the damned thing. It must take even steelier balls than mine to go bare face having worn it. But I do have a sense of how awkward it can feel. And, in spite of people on here saying there is nothing to fear, one never quite knows… I for one often feel the fear. Really well done!
Thanks Ovis, I kept reminding myself of the book by Susan Jeffers ‘Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway!’
Well done Fruit bat , Thumbs up Emoji directed at you .
Woohoo!!! Once you’ve done it, it becomes easier with each passing day.
Whilst you are now feeling proud and relieved that you have made you first trip into what was the unknown, you are part of a slowly growing movement.
You should be proud of both your achievements.
Interesting tale from chap I work with regarding masks . He was shopping yesterday in the Pet Store in my part of Essex when a rather well dolled up middle aged lady in the same aisle was approached by let’s say some in my local parlance ” Some Busy Bollocks in a mask ” , he made a comment to her along the lines of ” lovely hair you have there darling , You would look even better if you had a mask on ” . The woman’s response was a thing of fierce beauty by all accounts ” Yes my hair does look lovely thanks ” she replied ” And my day would be even better if you F#cked and you mind your own F#cking business , now F#ckoff and leave me to shop in peace ” . She then began to berate him as a Slave and a Sheep and that she will never ware a mask of compliance just to please brainwashed F#ckwits like him . The masked goon left with his tale between his legs . The anti mask Glamour Lady carried on with her shopping as if nothing had happened and left with her head heled high while the other desperate masked customers all looking on at her with dead eyed envy .
My colleague finished the story by adding ” You’d have loved her Chris ” and by the sounds of her , Yes I certainly would
Hahahahaha. This is brilliant.
Excellent, sign her up!
Brilliant lady.
I love her already.
Apparently she was very easy on the eye so to speak , obviously has a brain and is fiercely independent , what’s not to love ?
And me. And every person with a face. The good and the bad and the ugly, the long and the short and the tall.
Our friend,a feisty 71 year old Yorkshire lass was,queuing to pay in Home bargains a few days ago when she noticed the two teenage school girls behind her were making disparaging comments about her being maskless.She was wearing her exemption card so she turned around shoved it in their faces and loudly said.’don’t they bloody teach reading at school these days ?’,suitably embarrassed the girls made themselves scarce.
Also,yesterday,our friend was walking in her village when she met a swerver who moved onto the road to avoid her and said.’you can’t be too careful,we’ve got to keep safe’ to which our friend replied,’so bugger off home and damn well stay there then !’.
Love the last comment , shall use that one myself .
Another good reply would be ‘I can’t wear a mask because of a disability. Do you usually make fun of disabled people?’
Good one. Afraid I fall back on the “Fuck off” as standard.
I work in NHS outpatients and I had one patient in her 80’s who not only refused to wear a mask (which is fine by me) but she also demanded that I take my visor off. I had to fight the urge to give her a hug!
That’s great.
I was more than usually low yesterday, after dropping wife off at the station and seeing all the people walking about wearing their face panties. Then I went to the supermarket where there was more of the same. Went again today for more provisions at Sainsburys, where every human face was covered up, except mine.
I was wondering why I feel so angry, depressed, even anxious, in these situations, and the penny finally dropped. We humans are social animals. For our entire lives we have used our facial expressions to give and receive 90% of all communication.
Hiding our expressions takes away a large part of what it is to be a human being. Why can’t people see this?
Because they have lost what it takes to be a human being.
Fear.
Fear of virus.
Fear of confrontation with a mask nazi or the perlice.
I really hope the majority of people who are complying with the mask mandate are doing so to avoid potential confrontation and not because they actually believe it protects them or others from illness. At least that way there is some hope that people will abandon them when they see enough people choosing not to wear them.
Pity you fought it!
You don’t mess with a lady like that. Well done her, that busybody must be shitting himself.
He will certainly think twice before sticking his masked beak in where it’s not wanted in future .
Fabulous story. I am keenly ready to follow her lead the next time anyone gives me any trouble AT ALL as I shop maskless.
Last week I tried to purchase a coffee at a new coffee shop that has opened in town-wanting to support them and all.. Having ordered I was told that they were not allowed to take cash. ‘The council has told us not to’ I was informed. Couldn’t quite believe that but then yesterday at the open air market I was told twice by different stallholders that they weren’t supposed to be taking cash -the council has told them not to.
Does anyone know where one stands in this situation? surely it’s legal tender and they can’t refuse it??
I’ve often wondered that but then you can’t use cash on buses etc. so there must be something in the law that now allows them to refuse it? Or maybe the get out for the oyster card etc. is that you can use cash to top it up?
But like you I was under the impression nowhere could refuse cash.
It’s legal tender. Idiotic Council.
It is legal tender but as others have said they can refuse cash if they wish, as long as everyone is treated the same.
We can use cash on buses in Sussex.
It’s up to the shop how they would like paid – as long as it applies to all and is not discriminatory in any way.
Same theory a night clubs having a dress code or pubs setting a minimum age.
Your choice if you want to abide by their wishes or go somewhere else.
Ah, ok , thanks AG. Just thought it strange that they all mentioned ‘the council’
Council PHE officers are recommending it – Telford and Wrekin even make the roadside burger vans have a money box and tell them to disinfect cash and leave it for 3 days before touching it.
Pity when asked under FOI councils have all replied “we have no science to justify anything” so it’s all just bullshit by idiots trying to push businesses around.
Your last paragraph is the key one. I reckon they need to be pushed hard in providing evidence.
“Council…. officer” enough said.
It’s legal tender. As I pointed out on the underground a couple of months back. I paid cash… eventually.
Royal Mint: “Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. “
What makes me laugh is the cafes I’ve been too where they refuse to use my reusable cup because they are not allowed to touch it but then they are happy to take cash. What is that about?!
I bought a coffee with a friend, they refused his reusable cup, not allowed to touch it. Then, very kindly handed me the receipt!
My ex-employer, Sodexo, an international catering company, stopped us stamping loyalty cards.
The official line was the card could be contaminated with virus (no cash taken as well), but of course they just did not want to give sth away for free, considering increased costs, less customers. They have a contract staffing and running test sites, they are raking it in.
Our customers were of course, lets say annoyed.
I have found that letting the seller weight out or package your purchase then proffer them cash, amazing how if they want the sale they will take the cash. Only failed once and that was a sweet shop , quiet willing to take cash but did not have sufficient change as they were so quiet.
Works really well in bars when they have pulled a couple of pints!
A shop or business does not have to accept ‘legal tender’. Before you enter into a contract with them (ie, agree to make a purchase), they can specify what type of payment they accept – it could be cash, cards, or pebbles from the beach – but they cannot agree to a purchase and then insist that they will not accept legal tender (ie, cash). Eg if you had a meal in a restaurant and then when the bill comes they say ‘cards only’ you would be entitled to refuse payment except in cash. If they sue you, the court allows cash as settlement. Legal tender is that which is accepted by a court as settlement of a debt.
Which council, watashi ?
Oh terrific. In tier 3, my tea kwondo club can’t open for over 18s (I’m a Black belt), but I can get my fucking eyebrows plucked. Triific.
Any chance you could accidentally bump into Wancock in a dark alley, Mel. Don’t kill him, just a few broken bones, especially his jaw would suffice!?!
I have dreams where I use him as a weapon to put Chris Whitty out of his misery…
Chris Whitty’s misery?
The thing that irritates me most – or at least one of the many things – is the fact that I could go and sit in a stadium with 2000 other strangers from who knows where, but I’m not allowed to go and see my mum. If only we could monetise visiting friends and family, I’m sure the government would be all for it.
You stop for a cuppa in between bouts ?
(it can’t legally open, maybe, but people could just agree to meet up and ignore the bollox.).
Northern Ireland
It was the lockdown wot won it?
Check the headlines, they’ll report on each ‘spike’, then ignore it for a few days, ‘cases’ held back then reported again & BBC say a 40% on last 2 days or whatever bollox!
Save us, please, from these complacent, arrogant, comfortable, smug, clueless middle class arseholes who live in the High Peak! Rant Warning:
I often describe us as living in the country, which we do, but really it’s suburbia with all the small-minded attitudes that go with that. This area has been a handy retreat for Manchester commuters since the railway was built and attracts professionals who choose to live here rather than breathe the pollution in Manc or live right under the Manchester airport flight-path in Stockport.
Suffice to say that just about all the people we know in this category are BBC-watching, Guardian-reading, Arsebook-following Lockdown Zealots and you cannot reason with them.
On the walk back from Whaley Bridge today, we encountered 2 such. He is a teacher and amateur musician, she a professional player with one of the big orchestras. At first it was OK but he mentioned the kids wearing masks at his school. We described it as child abuse and he looked shocked. Mrs seemed more intrigued, especially when we said we’d never worn them. She asked if we got ‘shouted at’ and we said we didn’t. Then, he started to get angry and told us that he had no intention of being in any shop with people breathing The Virus on him and we asked him if he knew of the Danish mask study. Oh, he said he’d read them all (really?) and he had no doubt that masks ‘stop the spread’ and people should wear them. At that point she got very twitchy, mumbled something about agreeing to differ and dragged him off. We were just laughing, not rudely but really in incredulity at his pig-ignorance.
Show me a farmer, a shop-keeper, a hairdresser and I’ll show you a sceptic. Show me a highly-educated middle-class professional and I’ll show you a zealot. There seem to be few exceptions to this in our experience; ‘not sure what happened to us but we suspect that it’s to do with no telly, no BBC, no Grauniad, no anti-social media. Oh and an allergy to being lied to! MW
I’m a musician (luckily the kind that’s been able to keep some income going). My fellow musos seem to be completely polarised; either proper sceptics like me or petrified sheep. Had a nice morning in a little studio a couple of months back mercilessly taking the piss out of the muzzled flocks in between takes.
That’s really good to hear, Lyra. It must make life bearable for you to at least have some kindred spirits. As a retired musician, it was always my experience that my colleagues were either highly politically-aware or living in a world of their own.
A bit off-topic, but, in the light of me as a bit of an old lefty finding a home on this site, I recall that some of the most genuinely interesting conversations I had with a fellow musician was when I was playing French horn next to a guy who had stood as a parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Although there were many areas of disagreement between us, I can swear that he was no racist and, as ever when one actually talks to people who you think are politically-opposed to you, it can be an eye-opener! MW
Always enjoy a good debate with someone who knows their subject!
The Mrs is a musician also , she can confirm that opinion in her musical community is completely spilt between still being utterly petrified or total sceptics like ourselves .
“Save us, please, from these complacent, arrogant, comfortable, smug, clueless middle class arseholes”
Careful! It’s important not to turn the frustration into generalised outbursts of simplistic prejudice. That feeds only alternative self-righteousness and the disease.
Rhetoric, Rick! I did say it was a rant. . . . .MW
I was a mental health lawyer, my friend still is, my sister and another friend educated to masters degree level, sister’s husband highly educated; neighbour, social worker, other friends – educated journalist, engineer….all deep sceptics. I tend to agree with you because I experience the frustration of speaking to people I thought to be intelligent – and they just talk and think bollocks.
But I think there are people from all backgrounds who are against what is happening. I just wish there were more of us.
My friend is a English Lit graduate and taught special needs people her whole career. I often wonder how she has managed to bring up her twin girls as a single mother, she can be so in cuckooland and unable to manage her money and life. She is a perfect example of graduate without life skills.
I hate generalisations but sadly this one is usually true. However there are exceptions. I have a post-grad scientific qualification and I am definitely middle class and live in one of the most middle class areas imaginable. We have no TV aerial so can’t watch live TV, haven’t been able to for years. Very unusual amongst my peers, most people look at us like we’re stark raving mad. Perhaps that’s the key?
I think the TV and social media do have a lot to do with it. Hubby and I are middle-class as are a high proportion of our friends who are also sceptics. The common theme amongst us is either no TV and no facebook and twitter or only a very limited exposure to them. We are also Christians – which has played a big part in our decision to limit our media consumption. However dear Christian friends who have accepted all of this tend to be TV owners who get most of their news from the BBC.
AlanG has twin brothers, both Evangelical Christians. Guess what? One is a zealot and the other is a sceptic. The sceptical one lives on Facebook and I think he watches TV too.
By the way, we’re also educated middle class. I am only too aware that generalisations don’t really help but, as I pointed out to Rick H, my post was not meant to be an academic argument, it was just me letting off steam because the musical zealot was so bloody annoying (and there are lot of them round here, it can’t be denied!) MW
A campaign of misaligning peoples satellite dishes and aerials may work in the short term then?
Is there an easy way to do this ?
The media is the virus
Sadly I probablt fit into the middle class highly educated bracket. But, I studied engineering at university, which is pretty much all applied mathematics, so I’m fairly numerate. Most engineers I know are like me as we have similar brain patterns. Educated, but logical thinkers seem to be ok.
I’ve added a great deal of six sigma and structured problem solving and statistics to that since and I have been proudly here bucking the trend since day one. I used to have a sign on my desk in one company saying:
In God I trust, for all others I require data… (and good quality data at that, and then I’d bore someone about the importance of measurement system analysis and inferences one can make about the process data with it.
I do agree that typically sceptics are found exaclty where you say, feet on the ground sorts that know whats really going on. But, there are plenty of us in the background to bolster the numbers. :>)
Children shouldn’t wear them because they need to develop a proper immune system.
Plus: https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage
German Neurologist Warns Against Wearing Facemasks: ‘Oxygen Deprivation Causes Permanent Neurological Damage’
“The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive.
The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.
However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.
We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.
While you’re thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.
The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.
For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child’s brain, or the youth’s brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.
To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.”
The new official line from China is that C-19 origin was not from China but imported frozen fish/meat
https://business.facebook.com/188625661189259/posts/3842171625834626/
“All available evidence suggests that the coronavirus, which has infected more than 59 million people in 190 countries, did not start in central China’s Wuhan, experts reiterated.
“Wuhan was where the coronavirus was first detected but it was not where it originated,” Zeng Guang, former chief epidemiologist of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told an online academic conference on Nov 19.
Wu Zunyou, the CDC’s present chief epidemiologist, also gave a similar judgment recently, saying the pathogen could have come into China through imported frozen seafood or meat products and their packaging, reported the South China Morning Post”
Interestingly FB has not censored this “conspiracy theory”
As antidote to this Chinese new line this well balanced article about possible origin of Sars-Cov2 which Lancet is doing its utmost to dismiss.
https://humblescientist.medium.com/the-coronavirus-research-that-may-have-led-to-covid-19-4c6445a017b0
I somehow doubt that we will ever get a definitive answer regarding the origin – there are just too many vested interests coming from different directions.
But if it’s so contagious and deadly that you fall down dead in the street upon infection, surely we should be able to pinpoint its origin with extreme accuracy?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140
Apologies if this has been shared already.
Eldery Canadian woman chooses euthanasia over another lockdown.
I have a feeling all governments are going to start introducing assisted suicide legislation, so that people with long term health issues, including mental health issues can choose to end it all if they want to. The WEF and Bill Gates would be happy about that
Unmissable 67 mins (Ivor Cummins & Dr Malcolm Kendrick):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x6eSZA90M4
I don’t know how much more blindingly obvious it can be that this was over months ago.
When time-series data is plotted as a normal x-y plot with the time variable along the x-axis it is difficult to identify seasonality or other factors that may influence the data.
Florence Nightingale used a form of radial plots to display data from the Crimean War that demonstrated the death rate amongst soldiers could be reduced by better hygiene practices.
Plotting the weekly numbers of deaths using this radial form demonstrates the variability during the first months of the year – For example, deaths from “Aussie flu” in the first weeks of 2018 can be observed. The increase in the number of deaths from the first week in April 2020 can clearly be seen.
The beauty of plotting deaths is that there is no dispute about the diagnosis.
As can also clearly be seen this was over months ago. We are now just trashing the economy and our children’s futures. Don’t forget that many of these deaths will also be because of the collateral damage from the measures taken as well.
Source: Centre for Evidence Based Medicine.
Email at work today. “Over the coming weeks we will be offering COVID-19 rapid antigen testing as part of measures to make our offices even safer. Please note if you are currently exhibiting symptoms you are not eligible for this onsite testing as it is imperative that you stay at home to protect both yourself and your colleagues.”
Words fail me. And yet I overheard the usual bedwetters eagerly booking their appointments.
Hahaha! Then what’s the point in having a test?!
Well, quite. But the apparently “educated” people in said office failed to see that.
Going into incognito mode. Hopefully see you here Sunday. Or maybe even tomorrow.
Which is it – battersea or kings cross??
King’s Cross tomorrow.
Action time at hand! Show your face, if you can, up and down the land. Stand up, as it were. London, Kings Cross, 12 noon.
I wonder if anyone has asked their GP if they can be prescribed masks on The NHS, rather than buying them?
After all if they are such life savers shouldn’t they be provided to everyone who is not exempt?
Similarly such ‘medical devices’ should not be used until approved by the MHRA…
well, Nigel’s talking the talk:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLMABolJ20
He’s also notorious for pulling out at the last minute.
ooerr missus!
Keep seeing this, but I’ve yet to work out why. I have assumed it refers to the Brexit Party not running candidates at the general election where running those candidates would probably have lessened the likelihood of a “Conservative” victory that was going to give the Brexit Party what it wanted.
Don’t really understand why this sensible strategy seems to be interpreted as somehow negative.
The conservatives have always been a pro European party.Farages problem or remit is to campaign on a single issue.Leaving the EU was only the start not an end in itself.
It’s all irrelevant now as a far greater threat has appeared.
Tactically, the decision in that election looked and still looks sound to me, from the point of view of the Brexit Party’s primary objective.
“It’s all irrelevant now as a far greater threat has appeared.”
Yes and no. Lockdown and the coronapanic is the most urgent issue facing us at the moment, but it won’t necessarily still be around in a year’s time. Though obviously a lot of the damage, and the opportunist stuff brought in under its cover will still be. But membership of the EU (sovereignty), freedom of speech, etc are fundamental issues that will always be important (so long as the EU exists, and if it collapses it will just be replaced by some other internationalist blob that the globalists will want us to submit ourselves to).
We need someone who fights for anti-lockdown. However, if they gain power, they must stand for something more sustainably longterm.
At the last election, with Boris refusing to do any deal to stand down Tory Candidates, it was understandable.
I don’t think he’ll make the same mistake.
does what rothschild tells him
Re: shops, etc insisting on card payments. Am I right in thinking that it is against the law to refuse money (note and coin) if the monarch’s head appears on “said” cash?
Yes. Provided it’s current legal tender then cash is good for ‘all debts, public and private’.
Thank you
So the “card only” merchants are actually breaking the law of the land.
No. Here’s the Royal Mint:
“Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. “
and also law of contract,
basically
purchaser is making an offer to buy, Seller does not have to accept the offer if they do not like the terms -eg payment in cash and so can make payment by card a term of the contract. Purchaser can refuse to accept that term and withdraw the offer.
In other words, they can demand payment by any means they prefer if they demand the payment before or immediately on receipt of the goods. But suppose you run up a tab in a restaurant, then debt exists. You offer to pay in cash, they refuse, you have no other means of payment and so they take you to court. You then show up in court with the cash, and they have to pay the legal costs.
No. They can demand payment by whatever means they prefer.
You, of course, can withhold your custom. And tell them why.
Tricky with petrol!
The bastards removed that phrase from banknotes, 10/20 years ago.
No, sorry. You’re not repaying a debt to a shop (this is the only purpose of legal tender in the UK), they can choose what they do and do not accept for payment.
Unfortunately it’s legal here for businesses not to accept cash. I’d like them to explain why touching my money is more problematic than me taking a receipt that they’ve touched or them taking an item I’ve touched to ring up. Just add it to the list of bullshit things that make no logical sense.
It makes total sense if you want to get rid of cash.Once cash has gone we will enter into a total surveillance state.
Cash is king. If cash goes – we’re f***ed! No autonomy left.
Get those masks of your face from day one I have never worn one Dentist, Hospital, Supermarket,Pub,copshop, Doctors,Bank,Bus,Train you name it.
My favorite trick now is to walk straight to the front of the que supermarket,shop etc and just walk straight in,any comments I just say “key worker”.
You are lucky that your GP is seeing patients, our are hiding behind technology of various types.
I think if people are right thinking most of the population could claim an exception. I hate to see children being forced to wear muzzles, and people who are clearly struggling with breathing difficulties covering their mouths and noses is just punishment.
I alway explain to them that they can simply say they are exempt but they feel that they have to join in for the greater good.
Yes, as sheep heading for the abattoir are careful not to break ranks,
Yes I agree with you sir I must say though I have had people stop me and say you have some guts,I just explain the exemption clause and tell them to purchase an official looking card from e bay.. quite a few have done just that..
You work at Timpsons’s ?
I don’t do the keyworker lie but just don’t even think about donning a face nappy.
Your MP useless?
Try writing to encourage this one, he might have wavering friends:
Andrew Gwynne, the former Labour frontbencher who represents Denton and Reddish in Greater Manchester, said he was minded not to support the new regime. “I will never understand the logic of a tiering system that says it’s OK for many thousands to cram into a busy shopping centre in the run-up to Christmas, but small numbers from the same household are unable to sit responsibly at a table for a meal and a drink in a bar or restaurant.”
Write to dissenting MPs. Point out we don’t want watered-down mockdown, there is absolutely no need for any sort of mockdown.
I’m worried they’ll be asked to vote between mockdown and super-mockdown next week, despite the unavoidable evidence that it’s all a farce.
We must do some serious cage-rattling this weekend.
Emailing mine every couple of days .. hope it’s pissing him right off
Good for you.
I don’t think they’re useless. They’re compromised
Mine’s definitely useless.
I have been pestering my MP with correspondence for months. He usually does reply. What is interesting about his latest reply is that he describes “the Government’s ‘evidence’ ” (evidence in quotes) and that the Government was ‘lead to believe’ hospitals would be overwhelmed with 4000 deaths/day.
He also said he has joined the Covid recovery group, and their strategy is to push for transparency over the actual evidence and any risk assessments used. They think if they can get this into the public domain and then rebut it, they can fight the lockdowns.
Personally I would prefer a more hardline approach. The Government has no evidence, no risk assessments. It has been dangerously flailing around in a mad panic since March.
They need to bite the proverbial bullet, and get rid of Boris immediately after January 1st.
P.S.: and Princess Nut Nuts along with him.
It’s a start. Mine told me he thought Sunak’s furlough scheme would save the economy. I nearly gave up at that point.
Last time I emailed mine over the CVA renewal I just got the painful boilerplate bollocks.
Me too. Important to stay civil, hard though that may be.
I’ve just today mailed off a stern but polite reply to my MP who had sent me a polite if government friendly response earlier this week. I do think that writing with the strength of our feelings and with links to facts can do something, however small, to help move this along. I think I managed to balance acerbic with reconciliatory…and I would recommend others try to strike a reconciliatory tone somehow or other as we are not trying to defeat them or defeat our fellow citizens, we’re trying to get them to see our side… hope that makes sense
I do find it a lot harder to be friendly when it comes to BBC and Hancock / Johnson.
Good letter, well put.
Fact is the lockdown, tiers, circuit breaker, short sharp shock, gee whizz, flash bang wallop, or whatever idiotic name they will try next, is unjustifiable with a test that does not indicate if people are infectious. I’m no legal expert but sounds criminal to me.
Secondly even the WHO have come out and specifically now warned against the practice! Unjustifiable. Unless the MP is clamoring to have their party name put on death certificates when thousands of people are condemned to ill health, poverty, suicide….
The bit in italics is from a post in the Grad.
We need to target wavering MPs. Even if they only abstain, it reduces support for dePiffle and his cohorts.
Pity Herr Kneelalot Stalin isn’t likely to tell his MPs to all abstain. With the rebel Tories voting against, it would pull the rug from under dePiffle &Co. Nice to dream!
Unfortunately, I can’t imagine who could effectively take over from dePiffle. You’d have to be a masochist or severely patriotic to want to step in at this point. Anyone with a brain can see that dePiffle is following orders from above and that he is clearly going to make a mess of the Brexit fiasco.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473 More nonsense
Chess, Dominoes, Draughts, Backgammon, Monopoly –lethal.
Yah-fucking-tzee
Aaarggh-ztee
Tame. Try Mah Jong or Risk.
I’m pleased to note that the comments are pretty well unanimously derisive.
I’ve unsubscribed from the emails of a chamber music group and this is what I wrote to let them them know why:
I don’t think they’ll answer and probably they will dismiss me as a crank but I feel better after having written that.
Great letter
Always good to explain where possibly why you will not be putting money or other support in their direction.
Ah but you are a crank with a face.
Thanks @Ben and @DoubtingDave. I was getting annoyed with their emails especially with their Covid “safety” policies at the end of each emails hence why I decided to unsusbscribe. There was a concert we wanted to see with this group but unfortunately I’m working that day and the muzzles and other madness put us off.
I’ve written several letters like that recently, but far less polite, I’m afraid.
Never, never did a flock of turkeys vote so unanimously for Christmas.
It does make you wonder if these people are actually aware that they’re committing seppuku by their supine kowtowing to the state’s insane diktats.
I’ve been doing some of those. I wrote to my club in St James’ telling them why I would not be coming any more. To be fair they have made an effort and are running a ‘business lunch special for all business people’. But AFAIK they are doing masks and temp checks so I won’t go. Same with my parish church. It’s too depressing to sit in a club or a church with a bunch of faceless droids.
Agree. It’s been depressing going to say an exhibition and be confronted by faceless people then have your concentration disrupted by people talking in loud voices because they’re muzzled.
Why don’t they just remove the darn things?
Similar to what I sent to the Royal Academy of Arts and to a local cinema & arts organisation. And probably some others in future.
I long ago gave up buying Private Eye not wishing to put any more money in the capacious pockets of Mr Hislop with his undeservedly puckish grin but recently Mrs OK has been making the occasional purchase and I have consented to cast a jaundiced eye over its contents now and then in a spirit of mirthless masochism.
The rag has fallen further than I thought possible. The magazine that took on Goldsmith in the name of press freedom and won, now runs columns about Facebook, Twitter and You Tube arguing they should be engaging in MORE censorship. In particular Private Eye thinks
that no one should be allowed to publish any claims of electoral fraud (on behalf of Trump at least). A bit
embarrassing for them as there are now thousands of pages of affidavits before the US courts giving evidence of serious voter fraud and electoral
malpractice and I believe already two hearings have been approved, meaning the evidence has some merit at the very least.
Hislop has turned Private Eye into a servants of the globalist elite and PC ideology. Virtue signallers can be assured there’s no chance of inadvertently finding yourself laughing at something non PC.
They also think that it’s wrong to raise concerns about vaccination. A bovine publication indeed!
In many ways a perfect metaphor for how our country has fallen. I wonder what former editor Peter Cook would have made of its latest insipid incarnation?
Better still , What would Dereck and Clive made of it all ?
This bloke didn’t come up to me.
He stayed six feet away.
I said: “You c***,, you f****** c***””
I saw that Alfie Nokes in a mask ” What a C#nt “
Socially distanced non stop dancer
‘I said “start dancing”, he said “I can’t, I’m on furlough”‘.
As only Derek & Clive could.
Private Eye has joined New Scientist and The Economist in topsy-turvey land, where they deny everything that they once stood for.
I bought an edition back in May and there was not a single sceptical syllable in the formerly esteemed organ. Booker, Ingrams, Rushton, Foot, Waugh etc would be horrified.
Richard Ingrams is a client of mine. I must get I touch with him for his take on this.
They recently did a hatchet job on the endurance athlete Wim Hof, claiming he is a fraud. I’ve been following his Method every day for a over a year and I have experienced nothing but benefit.
The only exercise Hislop gets is lifting his finger to check his bank balance on his phone.
Bit ironic, seeing as the Democrats have done little for years except claim electoral fraud.. September 2019 Clinton claimed Trump Presidency is illegitimate and that we “know” it was stolen – sounds very much like a baseless conspiracy theory, right??
And Democrat primary candidates specifically alleged irregularities in relation to Dominion voting machines!
The most terrifying thing about lockdown is that it is a war on the people by its own government, and half the people can’t see it. Towns and cities empty, the economy in controlled demolition. It is evil
The measures the government have implemented are like what an occupying force would institute to subdue a population.When you see it from that perspective,they make sense.
The job description of the police has changed from catching criminals to terrorising law abiding citizens and overseeing the controlled demolition of the economy
Instead of the word ‘Police’ written on their backs it should say ‘Demolition’. Soon there will be nothing left of our towns and cities. They’ll be economic ghost towns
Old ladies are being bundled into the back of police vans. The world has been turned into Orgreave
For decades, the fact that evil exists, and can be incarnate in ‘human’ beings, has been denied by this feebke-minded, morally null country.
Every day, Christians pray ‘deliver us from evil’. We now know exactly what that evil looks like and why we must be delivered from it.
One thing I’ve realised this year is that evil is not just something in the individual – it takes on a greater power among multitudes. A myriad of ‘good intentions’ combine to pave the road to hell. Just like the Germans when they were ‘only obeying orders’.
A day in the company of “man’s search for meaning” by Viktor Frankl would be useful for anyone who thinks people are all warm and fluffy.
Equally terrifying are the vast numbers of people out there with a chain-loving, slave-mentality.
I assume the cut-off point in BMI was set so Boris just misses the first cut for the experimental vaccine:
Severely obese people to get Covid vaccine over elderly Brits | Daily Mail Online
I think it’s logistics. The first vaccine has to be kept at -70°C so can only be done easily in a containerised setting with a non mobile population. Hence care homes and hospitals. After that they can do the chubbies who are probably up for the fuss, in contact with doctors and can’t run away too quickly.
Or maybe they are going to cull them first.
Diabetes is a growing cost to the NHS – not that the official advice is any help whatsoever.
I made this confusing 3D graph to show what a dilly of a pickle comparing these tests are. The x and y axes are sensitivity and specificity.
The z axis is prevalence and shows the cutoff point at which the number of false positives equals the number of false negatives. If the true prevalence is above that surface, then your testing is underestimating the real number of infections. If it’s below then it’s overestimating them.
There are 100×100 grid lines so each one represents a change of 1% in sensitivity or specificity.
The surface varies most steeply when specificity and sensitivity are both high. Small variations in one but not the other in this region can make a dramatic difference to whether your testing is overestimating or underestimating prevalence.
The PCR test is known to have poor sensitivity, and the LFT test will be even worse (as it doesn’t amplify). But LFT may be more specific than PCR, especially “lighthouse grade” PCR (also because it doesn’t amplify), although there is a higher risk that LFT will false-pos because of other coronviruses.
So where we are on this graph with both tests is somewhere near the left edge, with LFT probably underestimating and PCR overestimating. To give a sample value, if specificity is 99.5% and sensitivity 0.7% then above 1.6% prevalence you will be undercounting and below it overcounting. 1.6% is about where we are (although we don’t know for sure).
Ingenious! Thanks.
It’s slightly confusing at first not having the origins together, but I suppose that is in order to display the most relevant corner most clearly.
Ideally, I suppose, you would put it onto a 3d imager and allow it to be rotated.
The origin is really in the bottom front right of the box, but it’s put the labels of the sensitivity axis on the left. The program I’m plotting it in (gnuplot) does let you rotate it which gives a better sense of the shape. If you have gnuplot you just need to run:
set xrange [0:1]
set yrange [0:1]
splot (1-y)/(2-x-y)
Another interesting thing is that gradients are all so steep in that corner where both are high, but that’s also because the absolute numbers of either false negatives or false positives are small over there.
The opposite corner (front right) is basically a sort of fog-covered fenland of uncertainty where everything is about 50% and you don’t really know anything about anything and it doesn’t make much difference either.
Either way, the Gov’t has no right to destroy our lives the way it is doing
hint: FLU jab!
The Mrs had Flu jab three weeks ago against my advice ( she has always had it as she is adviced to have it by her GP what with her being a diabetic ) she has now spent the last three weeks coughing her lungs up with a heavy chest infection and no remedies would help ease the symptoms . She has only just shook it off and now agrees it was the Jab and will never have another .
Hi Christopher I was supposed to be going walking with a friend this week, when I spoke to him he told me the exact same story, flu jab approx. three weeks ago, now cannot stop coughing, hopefully he will shift it soon.
She also had a weird ear infection that started almost immediately after the Jab , as that eased the cough really got a lot worse. Not even my mother’s old remedy of a warm honey , Lemon and fresh grated ginger drink would help with the symptoms and that has always helped her in the past .
Wasn’t the unlicensed covid vaccine by any chance was it even though sold as the flu jab? Would make sense as to why the NHS are on a relentless campaign to firce people to have it as reported here by numerous people. I’d make SARS request for details and evidence of exactly what vaccine was given.
Tell her to try this experiment next year! I’ve done this with my father and worked.
3 days before being artificially infected with the flu jab take 3 grams/day of Vitamin C, and continue the intake for another 3 days and then reduce the dose to 2gr/day/3days and 1gr/day/5 days…
My dad also got sick every time he took the jab, and now he doesn’t.
Unfortunately he still wants to take the jab! Why? Decades of PROPAGANDA are hard to destroy.
We have lived together for four years now and every year I try to convince her that she doesn’t need the Flu Vaccine as they are ineffective and may possibly be harming her but she would never listen , saying she has to as she is a diabetic and had complete trust with the staff at her diabetic clinic.
Now with this Hoax / Tyranny in full swing she is finally wising up and wishes she never had the Jabs.
As you say , it is years of programming that needs to be broken first before people will listen.
So has she not experienced adverse symptoms with previous flu jabs?
She has but not so severe as this year , that’s why I always put it to her ” why bother when you still become ill with some form of cold / chest infection ? “
No one’s asking what cases are. The human race is pathetic
Almost everyone is in a post-modern coma. Cognitive dissonance on steroids.
“Cases” are just the direct consequence of using PCR for the WRONG purpose.
Here in the US we are at a point where the average person is barely capable of navigating the grocery checkout line.
Is there much of a mass movement away from the tv in the States, awg ?
Excellent question.
For me, it is difficult to provide a quality answer.
I myself do not watch much TV. I’m down to less than an hour a week at this point.
However, the major TV networks and news channels seem to have an absolutely hypnotic grip on the attention of the US’ populace.
Ratings for CNN and MSNBC are abysmal, but their constant stream of panic porn seems to have infiltrated the minds of most people in the US.
So, in summation, I would say there is not a solid, well-organized movement away from TV in the US at this time.
Thanks for this. You might be right.
Also. look at the latest official ‘National flu and COVID-19 Surveillance Report:26 Nov 2020’
Flu has gone! – There is only COVID-19 now. This is bizarre and suspicious.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938650/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w48_FINAL.PDF
Page 22 – and many other pages after that. In all settings..(Care Homes, Schools, Hospitals, Prisons etc etc )
Zero Influenza A
Zero Influenza B
Zero Rhinovirus
Zero RSV
Zero Other Respiratory Viruses
Very, very suspicious. Could it be that the PCR test picks up all of these and label them COVID-19……surely not?
Anyway, my missus is declining the flu jab this year, though I really do think you might be onto something given what this weekly official report is saying about zero flu and how we know due to weekly testing that cases seem to originate in care homes where people do receive the flu jab at this time of year. Crazy times.
All finally beaten after millions of years.
Did I dream it or was it announce that the ONS were reporting flu and Covid together with effect from October 8th?
IIRC they were to be reported together but listed separately, ie, not conflated in one lump. I could be wrong though.
Not conflated was the official line but flu has vanished ever since.
And all it took was:
I bet that if we kill all humans the number of transmission will drop to zero!
Yep… Data for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland:
From 2017-05-15 to 2017-11-19 total samples processed: 18.821, with 787 positive for influenza viruses*
From 2018-05-14 to 2018-11-18 total samples processed: 25.709, with 660 positive
for influenza viruses*
From 2019-05-13 to 2019-11-17 total samples processed: 28.094, with 2.170
positive for influenza viruses*
From 2020-05-11 to 2020-11-15 total samples processed: 23.282, with 60 positive for influenza viruses*
Clearly if they had done the same billions of tests around the Planet to these viruses as they are doing to this mythical one… The result would always be A FAKE PANDEMIC OF PCR “cases”!
* ( A (H1) / A (H1N1)pdm09 / A (H3) / A (H5) / A (not subtyped) and B (Yamagata lineage) / B (Victoria lineage) / B (lineage not determined) )
wow
The government is the virus and the compliant are infected. Fortunately we’re immune, but unfortunately we’re still suffering.
Stand up Eric Clapton
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/27/eric-clapton-joins-van-morrisons-anti-lockdown-cam/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
I will definitely download that track on December 4th!
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame guitarist Eric Clapton is roasted on Twitter for releasing song with Van Morrison that slams COVID-19 lockdowns – after the singer called the government ‘fascist bullies’
By EMILY CRANE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 19:04, 27 November 2020 | UPDATED: 19:53, 27 November 2020
Was just about to post this. Be interesting to see if such high profile celebrity art can break through some at least of the mental walls enclosing the cult victims’ minds.
I always thought Clapton was a bit of a conformist – glad to be proved wrong. Van the Man has always been his own man.
Ian Brown is still going strong with his messages.
Wonder what Daltrey and Townshend think of all this.
Eric Clapton is a hardcore libertarian. There are quite a few other musicians like him.
This would be a great resource!
Also, a corresponding list of pro-lockdown musicians so we can boycott them and maximize support for anti-lockdown musicians.
Yes. In his book he writes quite eloquently and isn’t willing to be drawn on political issues, hence why his songs always dealt with his own issues & expression, & not really political events or movements. Generally he just likes a quiet & independent free-thinking life I think,
Right Said Fred
Carol Decker (T’Pau)
Sorry, I know you said musicians!
WRONG!
ALL “tests” WITHOUT a gold standard are worthless.
IDS in the Telegraph:
There is growing concern in Westminster that this lockdown continuation is the pound of flesh Sage demanded in return for the decision to have five days off over Christmas and that unless the Government stayed in a de facto lockdown for most of the country now then they would be demanding another lockdown in January.
Huh? I mean, we all know that SAGE are running the country at the moment, but why? Why does Johnson just sit there and let them “demand” lockdown after lockdown? Why not just bin the lot of them and start afresh? Why has he allowed them to have such power? They are just advisors!
Indeed. The spaffing Johnson is responsible. He could sack SAGE tonight.
Lockdown in January is a dead cert. We must be well punished for Christmas, in advance and in retrospect.
I read an article a couple of months ago by Fraser Nelson, iirc, which suggested that he can’t actually sack unsage.
With a majority of 80 of course he can, provided he can take his party with him. It might outrage some proprieties, but he could replace the CSA and CMO with other offices appointed by him.
Certainly it’s clear that their advice has been utterly disastrous, which should have been obvious from the moment they caved under peer pressure and backed away from reason in March..
Yes, but it hasn’t been utterly disastrous if their plan was/is to usher in a ‘great’ reset.
I will remind everyone the Government instituted lockdown despite Sages advice.It was a political decision and remains so.
This is all Government spin.
If anything should be instituted, it should be the members of SAGE, in a very secure mental health institution. Broadmoor.
I would prefer a trial for murder and treason.
And given daily doses of the jab and highest doses of psychotropic drugs to cure their messianic delusions.
But he keeps blaming Whitty. If he wanted a way out he could sack the 2 loons. I can only assume the PM hates us and is keeping them in place to do his dirty work.
We are told that the latest lockdown was something the government was pressured into by SAGE warnings. As to the first lockdown, it isn’t really clear what the advisers’ actual position was. Clearly they were panicking and telling the government the NHS would be “overwhelmed” and everyone would die. but Whitty for one was pretty coy about it in front of the Parliamentary Committee:
Chair: We are looking at the next stages of managing the coronavirus pandemic. On our second panel this morning, we are delighted to have as witnesses, Professor Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, and the deputy chief medical officers, Dr Jenny Harries and Professor Jonathan Van-Tam. Thank you very much for joining us this morning.
I will start with a few questions to Professor Whitty. Last Thursday, Sir Patrick Vallance told the Science and Technology Select Committee that the Government introduced compulsory lockdown measures on 23 March, which was nearly a week later than SAGE advised doing so, which came either on 16 or 18 March. We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March. At that time, during that week, were you content with the timetable, or did you advise Ministers that the compulsory lockdown should have happened earlier?
Professor Whitty: The first thing to say is that I do not think that is an accurate reflection, in fact, of what Sir Patrick Vallance said. I have checked it with him this morning, to make sure that I understood what I thought he said, and read his transcript. What he thought he said, what I read him to say and what he meant to say was that there was an intention on the 16th very strongly to say that more measures were needed, and that is indeed what happened. It is important to recognise that Sir Patrick was trying to do that from memory, having not expected the question. That was clear from the answer he gave.
If you look at the minutes of SAGE, it is clear that there was a package of things that were strongly recommended on the 16th, and those happened then. There was subsequently clear advice to close schools, which previously had not been advised. That happed subsequently. As it was clear, after that, that there was further acceleration, or at least less clarity that we were going to be confident at getting R below one, which was clearly the aim, there was advice to go further. It was not a one hit, nothing, and then suddenly everything should go into lockdown. To be clear, multiple steps were taken along the way. If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.
Let us be clear. I am very much in favour of the fact that the lockdown happened, but some people argue that R had crossed one even before that point in time. Lots of people are going over the numbers retrospectively. It is very easy to do that retrospectively, but I wanted to clarify that that was what Patrick said, and meant.
https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/747/html/
In which random case, why is the whole of the western world following the same pattern? Are all their Governments, politicians and NHS’s as shite as ours? Coincidence?
Thank you. I was about to make similar points. We can’t attribute this to incompetence. It’s very well planned and orchestrated and they are all in this together.
I may be naive but I have found Sir Iain’s recent comments in the media to be very encouraging. He is a high-profile Tory, (albeit obviously not in the current in-crowd), and is coming out with some very anti-government statements.
…the failure was not making SAGE membership conditions that prevented them speaking to the media left / right and centre. The fatal flaw was “follow the science” which means every time they speak and anyone in Government refuses to listen they are immediately under attack for not following the science. They are prisoners to their own get out clause.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020These are, I think, subject to a 6 Month review and this takes them to 24th Jan 2021. As with the other lock-down regs they are drafted under the Public Health Act They have the opening justification;
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in England.
The Secretary of State considers that the requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to the threat.
Personally I do not consider there is a serious & imminent threat nor that the measures stated are proportionate to what they seek to achieve. Jan 24th may seem a long way off but if we are going to make any impact on this I feel we need to start now.
And that justification is wrong and should never have been passed. Saying something is a threat requires evidence that there is a greater threat in proportion to the threat of the flu or the cold. Which Covid is not.
This is why the Risk Assessment process that everyone was rushed into was flawed and the reason why, actually, no Covid “secure” bollocks was ever enforceable under mandate. Covid does not in law constitute a ‘serious and imminent danger‘. That’s the fact.
The key with these emergency powers.
The Secretary of State considers that the requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to the threat.
That’s Matt Hancock. A man you would not trust to make a cup of tea correctly. Maybe we should all be saying to our MP’s – “you do realise that you are being made to look a fool in the shadow of Matt Hancock”.
On a serious note. Well worth everyone objecting to this renewal. Speak out before the 24 Jan.
Actually. Legally speaking it is not a serious & imminent threat in need of this protective measure. It’s just assumed that wide ranging words like serious and imminent mean more than they do.
I reposted this because the first post was incomplete. This is the full version:
It’s time to call this out. Lockdowns are murderous in their intent and murderous in effect. Perhaps, those who
initiated the first Lockdowns were easily manipulated and very stupid. But they did it again in full awareness of the consequences. That is active evil- pure and simple.
Lockdowns kill granny and grandad and will eventually kill tens of millions of perfectly healthy people. They are psychopathic culling machines. Tell that to anyone who tries to guilt trip you into wearing a mask.
The whole problem with the opposition is the ‘presumption of goodwill’ fallacy. I realise that many people on this site have gone beyond that but most of the official mainstream resistance is assuming that reasoning with these psychopaths will have an impact. It won’t. Recognising that you are dealing with people who are wilfully evil is very hard for us. When you start to see it the first response is usually terror/helplessness. Most people cannot cope with this so go into shock. Eventually enough people can cope and start to respond effectively. That is what happened during the late 1930’s. There are so many similarities now to what happened then. The same strategy of Blitzkrieg. The same bewildered chaotic response when you recognise appeasement doesn’t work. Except this time the assault is worldwide and its psychological.
You’re spot on with your analysis James. And your final sentence sums up why it is so difficult to convince people there is a war or where/how to fight it.
An excellent analogy.
You can see orecisely that ”appeasement’ response in pChamberlain. A decent man who couldn’t bring himself to realise that with Hitler he was dealing with evil.
Steve Turley talked about this some months ago, about a book or article someone had written, i.e., that around 6% of the population are psychopaths.
Most large company leaders and politicians are psychopaths. It’s what drives them, makes them more ruthless than other people.
When the world is run by psychopaths, the world goes mad.
Book: The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson.
Read it 3 yrs ago. Briliant read so id his othet book The men Who Stare At Goats
Absolutely.
My mother is imprisoned at an assisted living facility. All residents confined to their rooms. No visitors in or out.
She was already in poor physical condition. Now she gets almost zero exercise due to the indefinite lockdown. She needs a new walker to better support her weight.
All I could do for Thanksgiving was call and send flowers.
I’m so sorry. It’s inhumane and lockdown killed my grandmother as she lost the will to live. Granted she was 100, so not a tragic death, but her last months were tragic and it needn’t have been that way.
Thank you Lisa!
Disgraceful. It’s calleld solitary confinement. Prisoners get more rights than this. I’d sue the hell out of them. You might be at risk if elderly but they should be allowed to make their iwn decisions about it.
Brilliant post. I think you’ve pretty much summed up what’s going on, it’s pretty much Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy on a large scale.
Having read “Appeasing Hitler” a few months’ ago, this is pretty much what happened then and its happening again. Unfortunately there are still more than enough people who still very much believe that its best to carry on feeding the crocodile in the hope that they won’t get eaten.
Boris actually said we must fight the Coronavirus “AS IF WE WERE AT WAR” in his first big lockdown speech on the TV.
Felt somewhat glum this morning knowing that my local MP will doubtless be voting to save lives and venerate the NHS next week. This, despite our area coming out of a lockdown worse off than we went into it.
Went to do a little Christmas shopping at a well known Dept Store. The only maskless one there.
As usual, I ignored the glares and the mutterings. But if someone speaks to me, I like to be friendly and polite, the normal currency of human interaction.
I chose a couple of items and went to the till. I wished the masked lady behind the till good morning and asked her how her day was going. She looked around surreptitiously and as there was no one else about took off her mask and said ‘you’re the first person that has spoken to me like a human this morning’.
I felt a little better.
Face nappies dehumanise.
That’s obviously what THEY want.
So true.
Very true. People in shops and takeaways actually laugh at my jokes, they’ve been so starved of human contact.
Farage talking sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLMABolJ20
Is that why the Electoral Commission are taking so long to approve the Reform UK name?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/hospitals-england-told-prepare-early-december-covid-vaccine-rollout-nhs
NHS workers are first in line for Pfizer mRNA vaccine. Let’s see how enthusiastic they are about experimental vaccines.
No chance! ( from an NHS worker)
Can you get out of it though? I hope so, and I hope the senior medics and nurses who do, go public. US doctors have already warned that the side effects are such that up to 2 days is needed to recover after each shot – has NHS management factored that in?
From management point of view that’s got to be better than off indefinitely shielding due to self-declared vulnerability.
I agree, but aside from the supply-chain difficulties already known about, the US doctor group was warning (because it felt people were not generally aware) that there were immediate staffing issues that management were likely not factoring in.
I don’t think they can make it mandatory- they try the emotional blackmail with the flu vaccine but it isn’t compulsory.
i think there was a recent survey (admittedly fairly limited in numbers) of doctors & 40% said they would definitely not have it.
It will be interesting to see what happens if there is a poor take up of the vaccine. I suspect there will be announcements along the lines of ‘Nanny is VERY cross’ with stronger lockdowns as a punishment.
The mainstream media will begin a Goebbelsian style campaign of demonisation of the unvaxxed. Worse than Brexit voters received. It will be vicious and sustained
The mainstream media is the virus
I’m sorry but I cannot see that there is even a remote comparison between a lockdown/vaccine-sceptic and a Brexit supporter.
For a start, there were more national newspapers in favour of leave than remain, TV debates were obliged to show both sides of the argument and there was even a dedicated political party in favour of Brexit!
Haha, the dislikes didn’t take long….how predictable.
You shouldn’t really dislike unless you wish to invalidate any of the above. I’m not sure that’s possible though…
I’m sure this doesn’t apply to you, JME, but you must admit that many NHS workers do appear to have a BMI of over 40 and will therefore in any case be the first to be herded squealing into the vaccination pens.
I think not.
The large and active opposition SM group says many aren’t.
My brother (as an NHS worker) has been pretty compliant to date (frustrating 2 meter social distance and all that) but even he said he doesn’t want the vaccine and totally believes it can’t be mandatory. He is such a hard and loyal worker (and has actually already had the virus) that I took some comfort from his belief and positivity on that.
They would have to introduce new primary legislation for mandatory medical interventions. They wouldn’t get it through the House.
I wonder if this may force more medics to speak out?
How leftist big government works in practice – laws and state employees misused to wage personal political vendettas:
Viral restaurant owner returns to ‘Tucker’ after having business shutdown
Happy to report massive non-compliance with the Thanksgiving stay-at-home orders in the US.
Road manners continue to be excellent. Again, I believe the order-following flunatics cowering at home are largely terrible drivers as well.
Excellent.
Have been on the phone tonight with cousin in the Banana Republic of California. She’s surrounded by mask-Nazi flunatics, who all get very upset that someone didn’t wear a mask whilst hiking on a remote hill-trail, and they’ve breathed out and left viral droplets that remain suspended in the open air for hours, which will infect some poor unsuspecting hiker who comes along hours later….
So I’ve sent her a link to Lockdown Sceptics, plus several anti-mask papers…
I grew up in small-town, Main Street, USA during the 80s and 90s.
I am perplexed and terrified how several women I grew up with are 110% Woke and extremely proud of and vocal about it.
Also many police forces not wiiling to enforce unlike here
In terms of day-to-day life in the US, the county sheriff is the most important elected official that any of us will ever vote for.
County sheriffs are accountable to:
1) The citizens of their county
2) The US State Constitution
3) The US Constitution
The only officials that can really go after US county sheriffs are US State Attorney Generals. They are usually loathe to do so because it is typically an act of political suicide.
Gotta love the BBC and HIGNFY. Whilst us chumps are told no household mixing, they – from 5 households (not including production team) sit around a studio having travelled non-essentially so they can have a good laugh all at our expense. Ha ha ha ho ho ho
I laugh despite my head exploding in rage. Can’t stand the program – sanctimonious BS from sneering hypocrites
But they’ve got those plastic screens between the participants. That will mean they can “stay safe”.
To be fair actually some of their topical comments wouldn’t be out of place on this website. Referring to who we can spend Christmas with – one of them (not sure who) said ‘b*ll*cks’..
I always used to enjoy HIGNFY, but since the coronamania became MSM orthodoxy I find I can’t watch it any more. How can these people think of themselves as satirists??
I don’t think you’ll find any real satire in the MSM. I had a quick look at ‘Spitting Images’ and it seemed to be the same old recycled ‘evil Tory’ jokes from 1983.
We stopped watching at the beginning of all the Brexit ref mania. That was when the BBC went out of favour in our house
I absolutely HATE the “oh, look how compliant we are and promote social distancing etc”.
University Challenge, the students are separated by plastic screens.
Seriously, you want us to believe they have not spent the hours before huddled together?
Travelling in one car, sharing a green room etc?
same with all the shows that have updated their sets so that everyone is now sitting 2 metres apart –
Eastenders does things like dress up actors’ real spouses to look like their on-screen spouses, so that they can be shown kissing/hugging from behind, and has plastic screens between people at pub tables etc. They employ extras from the same families so that they can sit in the pub together for filming. A good satirist could make a great comedy out of BS like this, but of course it would never see the light of day as it would be a mockery of the new religion.
I’ll write a sketch and post it here!!
‘Success despite ‘half-hearted’ measures’. The German news magazine Focus is baffled by events in Switzerland. The Swiss Government hasn’t imposed any new restrictions for over a month, yet ‘cases’ are still falling. It’s miraculous!
https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ploetzlicher-turnaround-wir-koennen-nur-spekulieren-die-wundersame-corona-wende-in-der-schweiz_id_12711271.html
Cases are falling in line with falling testing?
In line with the natural course for virused? I.e herd immunity?
It’s beginning to look a lot like herd immunity…
Yes, I did type that in tune to a Christmas song.
I don’t know whether this has been posted here already::
Vanessa Beeley
1tSpoinegs ohnrfhred ·
UK: PANDA’s 20 questions for the government.
PANDA’s Dr Claire Craig FRCPath wants answers to these questions. Wherever you live in the world, similar questions must be demanded of those in power that have wrecked economies and cost lives and liberty:
1. Why are SARS-CoV-2 antibody levels flat or dropping across all age groups since May if the pandemic is still going?
2. What percentage of the population is assumed to have had prior immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in the SAGE forecasting models?
3. Why do 50% of household members not catch SARS-CoV-2 from infected persons with whom they live?
4. Why have Japan and South Korea not had any serious outbreak if the human species has no prior immunity to SARS-CoV-2?
5. What percentage of the population of the UK is assumed to be immune to COVID-19 (including prior immunity) as of this date?
6. What percentage of those diagnosed with COVID-19 since July have developed antibodies to COVID-19, confirming the diagnosis?
7. If 90%+ (SAGE Minutes: 21/09/20) of the population is still susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, why did the virus case numbers and deaths not double every 3-4 days throughout June, July and August, and indeed throughout the Autumn? Given the large body of evidence (eg BMJ: September 17th) that 30-50% of the population had prior immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus because of its similarities to some types of common cold, have they now revised their models?
8. Why have positive test results rocketed while numbers of symptomatic patients in the community and NHS triage data show they have flatlined since mid-September?
9. Why are acute respiratory admissions through Accident & Emergency significantly below the normal for the time of year if the pandemic is still raging?
10. Why are total hospital admissions, ITU occupancy and hospital oxygen consumption at or below normal levels for the time of year?
11. What percentage of deaths labelled as being due to COVID-19 have had the diagnosis confirmed at post-mortem since July?
12. Why are the regions of the country that have had excess deaths not the same regions that have supposed COVID-19 deaths, unlike in spring?
13. Why has Liverpool testing by the Army failed to find COVID-19 in the community when they are supposedly at the centre of the alleged “second wave”?
14. How is a 0.22% rate of diagnosed infection in the public in Liverpool to be reconciled with the ONS prediction of 2.3% infection rates in Liverpool on 11th November based on PCR testing?
15. Why are much quicker lateral flow tests not being prioritised for hospital admissions to prevent the standard 24-48 hour delay with PCR results and ensure that those who are positive can be isolated to prevent hospital spread?
16. Why aren’t all staff being tested by the lateral flow test to prevent the staffing crisis being caused by false positive PCR results?
17. Do positive PCR tests for asymptomatic and symptomatic NHS staff, or anyone else, which result in them being required to self-isolate have confirmatory re-tests performed?
18. Why is the country in lockdown when there are no excess hospital admissions, no excess intensive care bed use and no excess death rates (by date of occurrence) in the midst of an allegedly out of control, raging pandemic?
19. Why are we in lockdown when the Government’s own Operation Cygnus pandemic plan stated that lockdown could only delay deaths by a few weeks at most?
20. What evidence is there that lockdown has prevented more deaths than it has caused?
Brilliant. Don’t expect any answers soon…
It’s a global fascist coup driven by pharma, the banks, tech companies, Bill Gates and multiple vested interests. The billionaires are implementing the Great Reset. The science is irrelevant
A President Reagan once put it –
“This is the last stand of freedom on Earth. If we lose it here, we lose it forever.”
Maybe. But surely there’ll be industries and billionaires who will lose out in the event of a Great Reset? Where do they figure in all of this?
The biggest fish are eating the smaller fish
Great questions and should be asked. Unfortunately expect to wait for 10,000 years for the answers.
Yep, great stuff. (20.) is one that nobody has even had half an answer to, whenever I ask: ‘How many lives do lockdowns save?’
Superb. I’m sure Peston, Kuenssberg and the others will be chomping at the bit to put these questions to Wancock et al.
Of course they are widely respected for their impartiality and incisive reporting NOT. Pair paid to the purveyors of Govt propaganda. Immoral lying bastards. Kuenssberh in particular.
Suggest emailing your MP one question at a time each day. To focus and irritate.
Is it reasonable to withhold payment of taxes due (for those of us not on PAYE) on the basis that you are fundamentally opposed to your hard earned cash being ‘spaffed up the wall’ – to quote Bozo – on pointless test and trace and insufficiently tested vaccines?
I believe you can put monies of this nature into an escrow account, which I guess works like a ‘holding’ account, until a dispute is settled.
Pretty pointless as it won’t be seen. What needs to happen is small businesses getting together en masse for a civil disobedience campaign, eg publicans, shopkeepers &c, declaring a ‘freedom day’ where all businesses open up and refuse to accept FPNs.
Yep. Safety and more pressure in standing together not alone.
Get out there and protest. If you can get to London, great. But if you can’t your own ad-hoc protests show that we aren’t going away.
It doesn’t need to be fancy: some paper and black paint and a willing “housemate”. Black paint on white paper shows up clearly and paint your slogan the bigger the better or drivers can’t read it.
Pick a road that has a straight so a safe stretch – the last thing we need is anyone accused of causing accidents) so be double sure it’s safe – that’s crucial – and watch and listen. You’ll find the government’s 70% support is total BS.
As I thought would happen, looks like University of Oxford has stepped in to protect the institution:
Oxford, WHO scientists: More data needed on AstraZeneca’s Covid vaccine trials (cnbc.com)
Will MRHA agree for early roll out when FDA, WHO and University of Oxford is calling for another trial?
This is pretty hilarious if you’ve seen the breathless e-mail the Vice-Chancellor sent to all employees on the day of the original press release.
I can imagine – across the whole university or just the science departments?
The whole university!
Yes, we alumni received it too. Epic smoke blowing.
A retired GP I know said he won’t be taking any Covid vaccine. And I trust him 100%
As a working GP I can say I won’t be taking it either.
New technology (mRNA)
Developed in months
For something with an IFR max 0.1%
….and the punchline……
The manufacturers have been indemnified against liabilty.
What do they take us for?
Mugs, slaves & useless eaters.
And the American media have been informed by Pfizer and Mordena that taking it won’t be “a walk in the park”. People receiving the vaccine will experience the symptoms of infection by the virus!
The only good thing about the Covid crisis has been that it has shone a light on vaccine development, approval, safety and necessity.
Good for u sir!!
I am another retired GP who won’t be taking any experimental vaccine!
Let us please take a moment to show gratitude to the West Midlands police officers who bravely tackled an extremely dangerous couple outrageously shopping without masks:
https://metro.co.uk/video/police-fine-maskless-woman-supermarket-despite-exemption-claim-2301926/
Lockdown isn’t nice, but let’s at least be thankful we have heroic officers like this facing up to the worst elements of criminality in our society.
God bless the police.
I infer that this is very heavy sarcasm.
In which I agree.
Unbelievable (?) ignorance from the police. Literally no idea what they’re talking about. Such a shame the couple being fined were so inarticulate; this could have been a really good video
What a wonderful police force. We can all sleep easy tonight knowing they are doing so much to keep us safe.
I think a name change is in order: NKVD? Gestapo? Stasi? Cheka?
BORIS – Bureau of Risk Intervention Services.
Bloody brilliant!!
Time to go and rob a few banks methinks. You’d get away with it scot free given the police obsession with enforcing Covid.
Don’t worry, be happy.
Army setting up vaxx centre in bristol city football grounds. Looking to start early dec once the authorisation received.
Target to vaxx 70-110k people a week – so that’s 10k a day – so around say 1k people an hour. Heck that’s going to take some logistics to process those numbers!
The article also says (if you can bear to read bristol post) that expect to need annually!!
I expect these centres will be setup in all major cities soon enough.
I shall offer mine to a more worthy cause!!
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/army-take-over-ashton-gate-4744075
Rollup your sleeves for an untested vaccine – what could possibly go wrong!!??
Hopefully anything will have by the time it’s “offered” to us youngsters, not that we actually need it.
You can’t call this a survey….
Bristol enters new tier system Tell us what you think
Is Tier 3 for Bristol the right thing to do?
Yes
No, they should have placed different parts in different tiers
Not sure
Are we in the right tier?
Yes
No
Not sure
Are the restrictions tough enough, in your opinion?
Not tough enough
Just right
Too tough
Should we have stayed in national lockdown?
Yes
No
Not sure
Has the tiers decision changed your Christmas plans?’
Yes
No
Not yet decided
What is most important going forward to ensure we go to a lower tier?
(choose all that apply)
People wearing masks when they’re supposed to
People keeping social distance
People getting tested regularly
Following the rules
Hospitalisations continuing to fall
Self-isolating where appropriate
Regular updates on what the local situation is, so I can behave appropriately
*********
Useless psy-op bullshittery
Well, there are going to be plenty of empty commercial premises pretty soon, so perhaps the high street of the future will consist of nothing but charity shops to clothe the poor and vaccination centres to keep us all safe. God bless the government.
Very strange as Clouseau would say. Anyone in their right mind wouldn’t take this vaccine. Army giving it? I don’t think so. I guess this is why Bristol were put into Tier 3 Coercion Threats and fear of remaining in Tiet 3. Please the good citizens of Bristol REFUSE IT!!
Some police are worse than others; Dudley officers fine woman for not wearing a mask dispite the fact that she is exempt.
Some bobbies are obviously more friendly than others.
Yep. Here’s Laurence Fox sharing the news story:
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1332386562177380356
West Midlands Police should change their name to the Gestapo or the NKVD.
What a disgrace.
Katie Hopkins reply to that tweet:- “The mask is to protect others not you the wearer so she is being selfish and accordingly not entitled to enter the store. She could shop from home or get a friend to do it whatever!”
Well if you’re on the other side of the fence from that harridan, you’re definitely doing something right. And there are others like her on there saying the same.
These people do not have any thought or care for anyone who may have suffered trauma involving masks or other coverings in domestic abuse or any other scenario, the deaf, or other people with disabilities or health conditions. They are ALL supposed to find someone else to do their shopping for them, just because they have an irrational fear of the flu all of a sudden when they’ve been perfectly ok every other year up to now???
And we’re selfish.
Copper opposite me has been having visitors all the time last few weeks. ..so anything you see on the internet or TV is probably just for show. They know its a load of bull and don’t want to comply/ will not enforce. Keeping up appearances. Lawyers are queuing up to dispute fines but not a single dispute will ever come to court. The enemy will lose. My wife relishes the thought of being issued a fine but I’m afraid she will never be so lucky! Coppers who work with my mum in law in Coventry are really pissed to be in T3.
I’d been wondering where the lawyers were – seems like they’ve finally scented blood with this new pcr testing claims multiple action thingy that’s been announced.
The lack of understanding of the law by the police is appalling. one would have thought that in the current circumstances the police authorities would have issued some legal guidance to the police.
I carry a printed note from the Health Centre saying they have been told by the BMA that following discussion with the government they will not issue any letters with regard to facemask exemptions.
This goes back to the heart of the matter as raised by the Simon Dolan case with them using the Public Health Act to write these lockdown and facemask rules. This act was intended to do things like summons a hotel for having rats in the kitchen, if an official suspects an infringement they should request details to enable a summons to be issued, if you supply details then the police need to go away and prepare the paperwork for a case and a summons. They can offer a fixed penalty notice in place of a summons if you prefer. As far as I am aware all these facemask fines have been fixed penalty notices in lieu of a summons and nobody has ever been summonsed for this offence.
On a practical note these cases seem to be a matter of discrimination and stereotyping, I am a crabby old man with the facial features of psychopathic serial killer, people look at my maskless face and back away smiling hoping that I will not hurt them but they go for these young people assuming that they are trying it on. We urgently need legal clarification on all this, especially as the face masks regs come up for renewal in January.
Did the Gov. announce the tiers a week before lockdown ends to give themselves plenty of time to ‘persuade’ the rebels to turn?
or vice versa?
I don’t think of them as tiers anymore. I think of them as arbitrary, vindictive punishments
Punishment for doing what exactly?
…for living.
Met some fantastic people today. Train journey with one change, so I went through a station six times. Needed help four times, can’t tolerate the sight of maskoids so either shut my eyes and can’t see where to go, or try to look and have a meltdown.
At least nine station staff helped me and they could not have been more kind. They took my arms patted my hands and got me a cup of coffee. Arranged for someone to meet me at the next station, and so on.
Told me that many people need help, though usually it’s the mask making them ill. Kept reassuring me that I don’t need to wear it.
Thanks to everyone today who helped me and helped anyone else.
You’re a soldier Rosie. It sounds like you need some R&R though.
There are lots of good people around! Glad you were helped out.
I too get very unsettled in masked environments. It’s a kind of waking nightmare. As far as possible I use small shops where many, sometimes most, people go about unmasked and I can use my own car for transport for nearly all journeys, so am lucky in that respect.
Thanks, and I do need some r&r. Will give tomorrow’s demos a miss.
I’ll try to get the leaflet I’m doing for teenagers done. Problem is that some school children are being appallingly bullied for being exempt so I need to put something in for them, while also wanting to encourage them all to start to say No.
The situation in schools is hell come to reality.
Hope DRW you are ok today
I know how you feel. Worst was going to a motorway services recently where everyone in the big dining hall was masked. Hordes of what looked like zombies were walking towards me. I was the only unmasked person in the whole place. Then I realised I’d been walking the ‘wrong’ way round their stupid one way system! Nobody said anything or even gave me a look.
Hands up if you think these are the only wrong results
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55107272
FPR of 100%, that’s impressive even by PCR’s standards.
Seriously ‘my daughter has not left her room for four days and we leave her meals outside the door’ ffs get a f’ing grip. Equally, putting my fairest of fair hat on, this behaviour is the result of this criminal government’s fear project. May the perpetrators rot in hell for deceiving their public in the name of protection.
Lying BBC saying that cases have risen sharply in Wales since the end of the firebreak lockdown so this must be taken as a sign of what happens if restrictions are lifted too quickly. Wales is (apparently) looking to England. FFS!
I urge you to make a formal complaint to the BBC every time you witness something like this. It won’t change their minds, of course, but it will take up their resources and manpower in dealing with it.
The threshold for action is 100 + complaints. Less than that you just get a reply, agreed with management and Capita, which excuses the BBC and will claim something like creative freedom etc.
I thought firebreaks and circuit breakers solved EVERYTHING. Do one of those and you’re sorted for weeks, if not months. That’s what they promised anyway…
Why then did Drakeford have the circuit breaker lockdown. No the real thing is shutting down the pubs. Seems not to have worked in NI ad around a week later they implememted anothet lockdown. FFS how did these people ever get careers in politics.
AMERICASTOFFS
Emily and Jon would like you to believe that honesty runs through Joe Biden like clean clear spring water runs through mountain streams, that he brings peace to a divided nation and succour to the poor and oppressed. I beg to differ. He’s a corrupt huckster who adheres to a Mafia-style moral code and would have no compunction about benefitting from electoral malpractice (though he’s so senile, it’s doubtful he directed the fraud). So that’s why you need the Alternative to Americast:
1. Joe Biden lost in both bellwether states of Florida and Ohio which have been won by the ultimate victor in nearly all elections since 1960. Impressive, eh, Joe?
2. Joe Biden lost in 51 of 58 bellwether counties across the US – the counties which the victor in Presidential elections has reliably won over several decades. Now that is even more impressive! Joe is his own man and seems to operate in defiance of all psephological science.
3. In just three counties in Georgia, Biden accumulated 302,706 more votes than super-charismatic Obama did in his first glittering victory in 2008!!! That figure is 24 times greater than Biden’s margin of “victory” in Georgia – 12,670. So that heap of votes is somewhat crucial to Biden taking Georgia.
4. There is no law that says you have to take the above as evidence of gross and systematic fraud. But it has been pointed out that the really odd thing is the reluctance of the MSM (our own Sopel not excluded) to examine or explain this remarkable performance, where senile, bunker-dwelling, sentence-mangling Biden somehow displays the targeted star quality (outperforming even 2008 Obama) to win out big in, not most of thebellwether counties, but in a few metropolitan districts where he piled up phenomenal amounts of votes. The MSM don’t want to discuss this remarkable performance because they can’t explain it. Indeed it’s not explicable. And remember, this surge in his performance came after the count was suspended in the key remaining swing states. There was no evidence of it beforehand.
Yes. It’s blatant. But then the same people who are trying to get away with this are currently getting away with lockdown and the destruction of basic human rights in what is occasionally still called the free world. So you can see why they fancy their chances.
Indeed!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3RVG8qNLdoY/
The covid measures as an initiation ritual.
12 Minutes
Is this is why masks are so important?
Mentioned by Piers Corbyn in a Youtube video challenging the Archbishop of Canterbury to a debate on the church’s role in enforcing the New Normal. Also, in this article here. https://haveyenotread.com/occult-ritual-transformation-and-coronavirus/
That was a good watch, thanks.
The lawyers getting ready for mass actions over lockdowns is one of the best pieces of news I’ve heard all week. This has the potential to be absolutely massive.
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/
12 days 1 hour to go…and counting down…
I wonder where they are getting their time reference from? 12 days to WHAT?
This is going to hurt….
I just hope it’s real and can work, and is not some sort of Q-anon thing or that bloke who’s issued arrest warrants for every MP. I have been puzzled for a while as to why the ambulance-chasers were not doing anything. It could possibly be that the Law Society or something was keeping its powder dry until there was clear evidence of the fallibility of testing, and they now think they’ve got enough against them. Possibly the recent Portuguese High Court ruling against testing was enough.
Bloody hope so
Oh I do hope so!
The Guardian getting in a lather about the enterprising Darren Smith, who has got around online censorship and “independent” fact-checkers by…..self-publishing a newspaper: Oops, did the elitists not have this one covered!!!?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/truthpaper-the-anti-lockdown-newspaper-bypassing-online-fact-checkers
From the article it seems that Darren is particularly scathing of the Guardian itself. Can’t imagine why.
The Light is really good – highly recommended. Even better if it’s pissed off the grauniad.
https://thelightpaper.co.uk/
Just chipped in a fiver for them. Don’t suppose I’ll be seeing it in my local paper shop anytime soon though…
Volunteer to help them. Become a distributor!
The paper does ham it on, but it’s always worth a scan.
@AG, can you add Jim Waterson to your list please?
There is some good reporting there though I guess:
…and they didn’t deny it!
“all the real journalists have left institutions like the Ganduria [sic] now”
They didn’t deny this either!
So Toby’s answer is my scientists are better than yours and people wonder why he stretches credulity
I was texted earlier by a lady I went out with a few years back. She’s fed up and depressed, but was making the ritual noises about “staying safe” etc. She’s a lovely woman and a typical Facebook NPC in many ways.
I just said “OK Karen (really). Wake up. This has to stop. All of it. Right now, this minute. It’s criminal insanity.”
Dam broke. “Yes Liam you’re right I hate it I’m not scared at all let’s just live again”. Phoned me in tears.
The wall of compliance is paper thin. The enemy is stretched to his limits outside Stalingrad.
We win or we die.
I think a lot of people are feeling this way, but they lack the insight to understand why. You can’t blame them, because they are constantly told that anyone who deviates from the official narrative is a far-right conspiracy theorist and/or dirty virus spreader.
She knows I’m devastatingly witty and handsome, which helps in this case
Any resemblance to Marlon Brando perchance? Just asking.
Not really, salt and pepper, tall and lean, bit disheveled of late but with a certain roguish charm apparently
They’re also afraid of confrontation and the possibility of being ”fined” if they transgress – whether or not that would be the case. The seed of fear has been planted.
Exactly right.
I absolutely agree.
I think we here tend to greatly overestimate the support these ‘measures’ have.
Hollow vessels make the most noise.
I do wonder how accurate the polls are, particularly after what we saw in the US election polling, which seems to have been skewed for effect. It’s like that social proof technique that the door to door charity fundraisers all have in their script, when they tell you (usually unconvincingly!) that they’ve had a fantastic response to their appeal from your neighbours, to try to bounce you into signing up.
People go along to get along.
Opinion polls are a tool to influence public opinion not measure it.
Polls have a predictable tendency to be rigged.
.
I have found a site wanting to hear how people can be woken up. Want success stories. I emailed them and will report back if they reply. We need to collect stories like this. Good to hear!
You’re a star Rosie. Love what you do.
Unfortunate name
It’s a fine name, shame what’s become of it.
….and so here we sit..
masked, separated from each other, a simulacrum of living.
Our days dribble away
I’m not wasting time. I’m bringing as many people around as I can. Sooner or later, our day in court will come, and we’ll be on the winning side.
Have you listened to Reiner Fuellmich’s latest video in English? He’s after the fact checkers. I’ve not seen any attention given to this atl. Have I missed it?
Not seen that Rosie. Will keep an eye out, thanks for the tip.
I think this is it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjrY-I7v–Q
Don’t worry “Vaccines will make you free” – it says so over the gate to the Compulsory Medication Centre run by the army.
Excellent comment. ‘Stay Safe’ is the new ‘Heil Hitler’
Will the Army be getting the vaccine too?
There was a whole sorry story of vaccine damage caused to British soldiers sent out to fight in the Gulf Wars. It got some coverage in the MSM back in the day – now it would just be covered up. I think they were injected with a whole series of vaccines over several days and some were raised dosages. IIRC, the negative health effects were referred to as “Gulf War Syndrome”.
Another phrase it always reminds me of is from ”The Prisoner” – ”Be seeing you….”
Just read again what Harriet Baldwin of the newly formed CRG said. (And she had just voted FOR this lockdown before she decided to turn her coat.)
”I voted for the current lockdown on the basis that it would give us a 28-day period to develop a new and enduring strategy for living with the virus that doesn’t require us to keep having to live under cycles of damaging lockdowns and severe restrictions, and to reform NHS Test & Trace so that only the infectious individuals and their close contacts have to isolate. ”
In other words, she thinks they couldn’t ”develop a strategy” without banging us up. And they STILL think it’s a good thing that our privacy should be invaded with the hated T&T, and that isolation is still seen as a good strategy.
And all this for a mild virus that is only risky (as is a common cold) to 99.8 per cent of us.
This risibly named ”Covid Recovery Group” is as bad as the bunch it seeks to call to account. I wonder what part of the word ”Recovery” they don’t understand?
A tiny, insignificant apparatchik voicing timid dissent.
A useless cog in a useless machine.
I sympathize with your frustration, but think we need to also look at the positive side.
The CRG is useful insofar that MSM airtime has to be given to its cause, which gives sceptical views more exposure and credibility.
Sure, it’s only jabbing at the moment, but maybe after Brexit there’ll be more desire for a knockout blow, especially if we’re locked down again.
You’re right, of course. I’ll try to be more positive!
I agree. It’s our best public voice at the moment (god help us) and needs encouraging.
Yes. I worry that they still seem to believe there’s a deadly virus, that a vaccine is necessary and that testing is the answer.
Not sure the last para reads correctly – the virus is risky to 99.8% of us; really!
Of course – ‘not a risk’. I knew what I meant – it just came out wrong!
NEWSNIGHT REVIEW
Nauseating virtue signalling from UCL’s Christina Pagel on Newsnight. I hate that smug declaration of sympathy for people losing their livelihoods from state-financed epidemiologists, expecting everyone else to suffer while they retain their jobs, salaries and pensions, become TV stars and can earn loads of extra dosh as a result of their star status. Her concern for others was about as convincing as a that of a six foot 15 stone defender offering a hand-up to the striker he’s just scythed to the ground.
The Newsnight presenter (Faisal Islam – no better and no worse than the usual crew) failed to challenge any of her assumptions. She should have been challenged on her totally bogus and lying assertion that early and strict lockdowns deliver low death totals. They don’t. Peru and Belgium last time I looked were at the top of the death league.
She should have been challenged on excess respiratory deaths (hardly any rise in the average now, in the Autumn, so why is she lying and making out we face some “end of days” scenario?).
When all this over we need a thorough-going review of state-funded academia. Why do we have these hundreds of epidemiologists in our universities? What good do they do? They can’t agree among themselves on anything, their predictions are wildly inaccurate, and they have managed as a group to destroy our economy, our culture, our education and health services,
and our happiness.
You know I really admire all of you who can somehow sit through mainstream TV to critique it.
No really, how do you do it?
It’s fucking garbage, and those who watch it without critique are making garbage containers of their minds.
You are right. I don’t watch broadcast news or read any newspapers and I don’t do social media of any kind. My life is so much better for it. This has been the case for 15yrs.
Was watching UK Column earlier but had to turn it down when they showed a Bozo clip. I literally can’t listen to or watch either BBC presenters or any of the politicians now
The guys on UK Column are great.
Their demeanour always strikes me as being akin to a team of horse racing pundits.
Well they should know the race is fixed, the horses are all ready for the knackers’ yard and the jockeys are weird but not as weird as the owners.
Yep I’m pretty much there. I confess I was quite the Boris fan a year ago. Now I find his performances too painful to watch like you’re complicit in viewing some chained bear dancing in a market square.
I found his election campaign sufficiently patronising, thanks.
They did a good job of shredding the Bozo speech though.
I will try again – I could see all the laughy emoji’s going up so it looked good
ditto – can’t bring myself to listen to the garbage!
My kids have been deliberately selecting bbc news recently to wind me up.
Lol!
I hardly bother with it these days but I do keep an eye on Newsnight – in the same way Kremlinologists used to keep an eye on the Politiburo. Years ago I used to enjoy Radio 4. Hardly listen to it at all now.
Sure its shite.
But it is important to know the opposition.
I usually record, then skim thru.
When there are interesting pieces, I low gear thru them and note down the BS, for use as required.
Then I have a stiff drink .
How do you manage to watch this stuff? I cancelled my tv licence months ago.
She was on C4 news earlier.
However the Kent MP gave a pretty good show against her, and she was flailing around, literally waving her arms at the end.
Quite amusing.
Their narrative is on the ropes.
Apart from Morrison, Clapton, Fred’s, brown and Gallagher where are all the protest songs and punks!!!
Stormzy, Adele, Coldplay, Mick and Keith, Bragg, McCartney, bono, Beyonce and jay zee and all the other soy boys and girls, all woked up sitting at home polishing your masks, virtue signalling on Facebook and Twitter.
Useless, you should be ashamed, wankers.
Mark E Smith wouldn’t have stood for this nonsense either.
Music has always been the hotbed of counter culture. It’s why gigs had to be shutdown. But yeah, plenty of cowards in the scene. Robbie William’s surreal Christmas tune had a passing 1984 reference in there at least.
Private Jets.
They are all sitting in their ivory towers and don’t give a shit about the plebs. They are all complicit in the hell that is hurtling towards us at the speed of knots. It’s a good job that I’ve had a skin full tonight, it is the only way that I can get a good nights sleep now. I’m afraid that I’m not quite as virtuous as some who contribute reguarly on here. Fresh air, praying or healthy food doesn’t cut if for me now, being pissed is my go to mode at the moment. I realise that this is not good but neither is this hell we are living.
Important first article showing that previous other common coronavirus protects against severe infection of SARS-Cov2
https://dm5migu4zj3pb.cloudfront.net/manuscripts/143000/143380/cache/143380.1-20201116124146-covered-253bed37ca4c1ab43d105aefdf7b5536.pdf
“Recent endemic coronavirus infection is associated with less severe COVID-19
Here, we show that individuals with as compared to without a relatively recent documented eCoV were tested at greater frequency for respiratory infections but had similar rate of SARS-CoV-2 acquisition. Importantly, the patients with a previously detected eCoV had less severe coronavirus disease2019 (COVID-19) illness. Our observations suggest that pre-existing immune responses against endemic human coronaviruses can mitigate disease manifestations from SARS-CoV-2 infection”
I have a debilitating disease – science fatigue
The true cause of what people call science fatigue is the SCS virus. SCS stands for Science Cancelling Science. For every paper saying the virus spreads by touch, there is another saying by droplets and another on the air. And so it goes on…whatever aspect of the virus you care to look at there are never-ending chains of contradictory peer-reviewed papers. Masks are good! No they’re not! Well they stop you spreading it! Only in clinical situations! And so on…
Science is of limited help here. History is as good a guide.
It’s like we are trying to make our way through a dark forest. Stuff like “the sun rises in the east” and “water runs downhill, and rivers will nearly always lead to the sea” maybe even “moss tends to grow in the north sides if trees” is useful. But it’s also useful to know this looks like a well worn path that leads somewhere.
There’s a very good presentation of verifiable figures about Sweden, the far east, etc, from Ivor Cummins. Not opinion – just figures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vDsKEOIQI
I see that, even in Belarus, Minsk has made mask wearing mandatory. If true, is there any remaining refuge from this madness?
Here’s a useful summary for Europe from the Telegraph a couple of days ago:
https://cf-particle-html.eip.telegraph.co.uk/3fc852a4-b1bd-4cf0-bf9b-4726350ec89c.html
Only Sweden, Norway and Belarus have no mandate at all.
Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Switzerland, have a mandate for public transport but not shops and other indoor areas.
There are reassuringly plenty without a mandate for masking outside.
https://eng.belta.by/society/view/faces-masks-become-mandatory-in-minsk-134966-2020/
Are you sure that they aren’t required in Belarus!?
And I can’t see much about Estonia, but this site would appear to imply that masks aren’t mandated there:-
https://www.tripsguard.com/destination/estonia/
Then again, a test is required. Swings and roundabouts, eh?
Is Tanzania still soldiering on?
If the Guardian is writing nasty articles about it, then yes
Pretty reliable method of determining this, it must be said.
China?
Yes. So I’ve seen. Amazing how they’ve miraculously recovered, eh? Either the whole thing is a hoax or they’ve quietly decided it isn’t worth putting live on hold for and gone back to normal. I wonder which one it is…
Could be both I think
False dichotomy?
LKX.
Used to love the Deltic depot Finsbury Park.
Well it seemed so. But then they tried to quarantine the whole of Shanghai Airport the other day, with disastrous effects.
I also personally know some aircrew who have been forcibly quarantined in hotels and fed very substandard meals in Shanghai due to one or two crew members (out of approximately 15) testing positive (with no symptoms). After 5 days, the airline managed to get them back home.
So they are playing a weird game in China. It’s not normal at all and I’m not sure what their game is.
…that hospitals numbers in England will be fiddled to make it look like they are
could beoverwhelmed with coronavirus cases…Fixed that for him.
What a total, lying scumbag!
I come to the conclusion that there are two types of people. Those who trust in science and data, those who trust in media and politicians. I can only hope that the completely ridiculous proportionality of the restrictions causes more to look at the data.
And then still be cautious, and not assume that data and conceptual frameworks tightly map to the world either (because that can mean escaping the storytelling fantasy only to fall into the technocracy fantasy).
So let’s maybe have a third type of people: the “meta” people who can stand back from their own thinking, trusting and believing.
In my experience, people who get all their info via their phones, rather than via computer, don’t bother to look things up.
Sorry, since when are we supposed to ruin our lives, our children’s lives because of a sclerotic, over-funded health service that has deprived people of health care over the past 8 months. So what if it is over whelmed, no difference to us. How whakko, is a government that destroys the whole of society and economy because of an inept healthcare system. Why doesn’t Gove criticise the NHS for not responding to Cygnus 2 years ago, why have no contingency efforts been put in place over the last 8 months, what of the world beating Nightingale hospitals.
I’m trying to understand this psychopathy. Is it simply a case that these Gov’t ministers are getting off on inflicting cruelty?
Some of them clearly are.
In Hancock’s case, I’d say yes. He’s enjoying this immensely.
What goes on in the mind of Michael Gove, I’m not sure anyone knows.
I can’t think of any other reason now than yes, they are sick and twisted evil shits who don’t give a damn about the harm they are inflicting on the people of this country. I have heard today of yet another 20 year old who has killed himself. The only way that I can keep going now is to believe that all these hideous creatures will face justice in the end. When I saw that picture of Bozo and Wancock laughing their heads off, the rage inside me was something that I have never experienced in my 60 years on this planet.
Definitely a snake!
So true and so sad that it’s true.
May he burn in Hell.
This thought came to me late the other night:
What if millions of people get vaccinated only to find out the truth months later?
What would that do to people? In my view, there’s nothing remotely credible about the trial data and there’s a reason why it’s being rushed out.
I’ve heard about Agenda 21. I don’t know what it is
Read, read, read
Its where they take your life, pick out what they don’t want you to have, and give you back the crumbs
It’s quite simple. You have to be a participant in a Derren Brown spectacular in order to accept a vaccine produced under these conditions and with all the naked vested interests involved.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/26/939365087/government-model-suggests-u-s-covid-19-cases-could-be-approaching-100-million
Government Model Suggests U.S. COVID-19 Cases Could Be Approaching 100 Million
8 times more people infected than diagnosed cases.This gives IFR 0.27% remarkable similar to Ionnadis IFR 0.26% globally in his WHO paper.
We’re beginning to regularly see a published IFR that is remarkably similar to a bad flu.
Great news. 100m healthy asymptomatic people as opposed to hospitalisations and deaths
The PCR casedemic needs to stop – yesterday
Borg.
Top work (as always !)
Also, the number of deaths misattributed to COVID in the US is staggering. It includes (or used to) tens of thousands of deaths by suicide or accident. So the IFR is likely significantly lower than that.
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1332393402374049792
There are many ways to explain how hilariously misleading the CDC “study” on masks in Kansas counties was, but one simple way to view how completely absurd their conclusions were is looking at how those counties have done since See how great it’s going??
Ivor on Talk Radio is always worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/vVYQaEo5CR8
Haven’t read other comments yet, but am l alone in being surprised and saddened that this excellent daily newsletter, one of the main things keeping me sane and cheerful in recent months, apparently has less than 7,000 subscribers?
I’ve emailed my SNP MP and asked her to read and comment upon the attached Briefing Document for MPs PDF .
Not hopeful but must keep on with the challenges.
Still pretending its about a virus and not a ponzi scheme
Sorry, ‘I am not comfortable with being locked down’.