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Health and Safety Breaches at a Lighthouse Lab

What follows is a guest post by Toby.

Those of us who are dubious about the number of daily cases being announced by the Government each day tend to focus on the false positive rate, as well as the low professional standards at testing centres, leading to cross-contamination before the samples make it to the labs. But focus has now begun to shift to the labs themselves, with Channel 4 broadcasting a Dispatches on Monday night that revealed various lapses at the superlab run by Randox in Northern Ireland that analyses COVID-19 tests from across Britain.

An undercover reporter discovered serious failings, including cross-contamination of test samples. One expert told Dispatches that the lab’s “cavalier approach to safety” could lead to cross-contamination and potentially wrong test results. And by “wrong” they mean a person could be wrongfully diagnosed as positive. After all, if two swabs contaminate each other – one negative, the other positive – they both end up as positive. If cross-contamination is happening at these superlabs – and we have every reason to believe it is – the number of positives is being inflated.

Today, Lockdown Sceptics is publishing an original piece by Dr Julian Harris, a veteran scientist. He got a job in July at the Lighthouse lab in Milton Keynes, one of three superlabs in England run by a company – UK Biocentre – that has received billions in Government contracts. An experienced virologist with a background in biosafety, Dr Harris was horrified by what he witnessed during his first few days on the job. There was no proper induction for new employees familiarising them with how to handle biohazardous material, little awareness of the correct biosafety protocols to follow in the labs and little awareness of the risk of cross-contamination. After his superiors showed insufficient interest in his complaints – treating him as an “irritant”, in his words – he decided to tip off the Health and Safety Executive (HSE). He then worked with the HSE, providing them with real-time information when he encountered a health and safety breach. Before long, the HSE decided it needed to mount a proper, on-site investigation.

After he stopped working at the lab, Dr Harris got in touch with a BBC reporter and an Independent journalist and, when the HSE confirmed to them that it had written to UK Biocentre and notified them of numerous contraventions of health and safety law, they both ran stories last month. But those stories lacked granular detail because the HSE wouldn’t share the letters it had written to the lab operator, either with Dr Harris or the journalists.

Not to be fobbed off, Dr Harris submitted an FOI request to the HSE and yesterday he hit pay dirt: a copy of the correspondence the HSE had sent to UK Biocentre, including two letters containing long lists of health and safety breaches. We’re publishing both of these letters today – you can find them at the foot of Dr Harris’s article here.

Here’s an extract from Dr Harris’s piece:

I’ll give you some examples of the kind of breaches I discovered.

There were >20 Class II Biosafety cabinets (BSCs) for the initial processing of the swab samples. The cabinets are designed to protect the sterility of the samples and protect the operator from any potential contagion in the samples. Unfortunately, overloading cabinets with swab sample bags and unnecessary equipment was a common occurrence. This put the operator at risk of exposure to aerosols containing pathogens escaping from the cabinets into the lab environment, as well as endangering the integrity of the swab samples in the cabinet and risking them becoming contaminated by virus and virus components circulating in the lab.

A build-up of dirt in the cabinets can also compromise the integrity of the swab samples. But there was no schedule at appropriate intervals to fully clean all interior surfaces of the cabinets. Fumigation of the cabinets to inactivate any contaminants before servicing – which is supposed to happen regularly – only happened annually at this lab. The UK Biocentre, which operated the lab, felt it was acceptable to clean an unfumigated cabinet by sticking half your body into the apparatus in an attempt to clean the interior. Another high risk practice was technicians regularly doubling up to process the biohazardous swab samples, interrupting the protective air flows generated by the cabinets and further increasing the risk to the integrity of the cabinet environment.

The lab where the real-time PCR assay was run was kept under positive pressure for processing purposes, which meant no air from other areas was supposed to enter this room and potentially contaminate the assay. But cross-contamination issues started at the beginning of the process before the samples were taken to the PCR lab. The main causes of cross-contamination are the way members of the public use the swab kits; contamination of the insides of the tubes and cap by the operator; and the contamination of the thread of sample tubes with sample medium as shown below. These issues are exacerbated by the poor quality of most sample tubes/caps and suppliers’ mix-and-matching tubes to caps, so some of them don’t fit properly.

A dangerous practice I observed in the lab was the passing of leaky tubes to the liquid handling personnel, unknowingly putting them at risk, as well as contributing to the risk of cross-contamination.

There’s more in this vein, and if you read Dr Harris’s piece, as well as the two letters, the picture that emerges of one of the UK’s largest Covid laboratories is shocking. The UK Government is basing its decisions to impose draconian restrictions on people’s movements, causing catastrophic harm to the economy as well as public health, on testing data that simply cannot be relied upon, thanks to numerous health and safety breaches and the concomitant risk of cross-contamination.

When asked about the myriad ways in which it was contravening health and safety law, the Milton Keynes lab told the BBC that no improvement notice had been issued by the HSE. That’s true, but the lab operator was forced to pay a hefty fee to cover the inspectors’ time, which Dr Harris estimates was between £15,000 and £20,000. UK Biocentre was also told to get its house in order by October 23rd.

This is an important story. Let’s hope other, better-resourced media outfits than Lockdown Sceptics follow it up.

Read it in full here.

Stop Press: The BBC continue to hammer home the failings of Test and Trace with a new exposé “Inside test-and-trace – how the ‘world beater’ went wrong“.

WIKILOCKS SCANDAL: SAGE Used Wikipedia Data For Lockdown Models

Wikipedia: Not a peer-reviewed scientific journal

The documentary “Lockdown 1.0 – Following the Science?” on BBC Two last night exposed that SAGE had admitted to using data from Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, in its modelling. The Mail has the details.

No 10’s scientific advisers relied on dubious data from Wikipedia to help steer Britain through the spring’s coronavirus crisis and wrongly predicted the peak of the first wave by two months, an explosive new documentary has claimed.   

Members of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) admitted early virus modelling was based on unverified figures from the online encyclopedia, which can be edited and managed by members of the public. 

Tory MP Steve Baker, who has refused to support the Prime Minister’s second lockdown, told MailOnline: “Some of those claiming to be ‘following the science’ seem not to understand the meaning of the word. SAGE has been put on a pedestal as if they are able to produce a single version of the truth. It’s not possible.”

Professor Ian Hall, deputy chair of the SAGE subgroup SPI-M, defended the approach, saying: “The public may be surprised that we were using Wikipedia to get data very early on in the pandemic, but that was really the only data that was publicly available that we could access.”

The BBC programme also revealed:

  • Britain’s SAGE group advising the Prime Minister on fighting the pandemic contained no specialist on human coronaviruses
  • Before a national lockdown was imposed in March, scientists also predicted the peak of the virus in the UK would be June – when in fact it was April
  • Scientists failed to consider the impact agency workers would have on spreading Covid in care homes by moving between several different sites to work. There were more than 30,000 excess deaths in care homes because of Covid in 2020

Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, told MailOnline:

The fact they used Wikipedia for their models is just completely unacceptable. You’ve got to use verified data. I cannot imagine a scenario where any scientist should be turning to Wikipedia – the thing about models is it’s extremely important the evidence they’re based on is as robust as it can be. It reflects our lack of preparedness, there were outbreaks happening in Europe that could’ve been used to inform. If they [SAGE] didn’t understand the data or couldn’t access it they should’ve been in touch with public health officials abroad to understand them.

The charge sheet against Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty, who appoints SAGE, and Chief Scientist Sir Patrick Vallance, is growing by the day. Surely, it’s time Boris showed them the door and got some fresh heads in to bring in some new ideas. That’s one Great Reset we could all get behind.

“Don’t Kill Gran” Guilt-tripping Returns to Spoil Christmas

Newest member of SAGE

The Scrooges of SAGE and Independent SAGE have joined forces to try to destroy Christmas. The Sun has more.

Professor Gabriel Scally told Good Morning Britain: “There is no point in having a very merry Christmas and then burying friends and relations in January and February.”

He said Christmas would be a “dangerous time” and would allow the “virus to spread”.

Prof Scally, who is a member of Independent Sage – a rival group to the Government’s own advisers – added: “We need to think very seriously about Christmas and how we’re going to spend it.

“It’s too dangerous a time and opportunity for the virus to spread.”

He highlighted that people could face 25 days of lockdown in January to make up for the “jollity” over the festive period.

But he said the lockdown would pale into insignificance compared with the number of people who could get Covid and spread it over Christmas.

After appearing on the show he tweeted: “We have not made nine months of sacrifices to throw it all away at Christmas.”

Professor Scally is a former Labour donor who has previously contributed £20,000 to Andy Burnham’s bid to become party leader.

Meanwhile, another expert echoed Prof Scally’s warnings.

SAGE expert, Prof Andrew Hayward from University College London, said mixing at Christmas could “fuel the Covid fire”.

He warned that at the exact moment we are on the “cusp of protecting the elderly”, we risk undoing all the good work by focusing “too much” on Christmas.

Speaking in a personal capacity, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Mixing at Christmas does pose substantial risks, particularly in terms of bringing together generations with high incidence of infection with the older generations who currently have much lower levels of infection and are at most risk of dying if they catch Covid.

“My personal view is we’re putting far too much emphasis on having a near-normal Christmas.

“We know respiratory infections peak in January so throwing fuel on the fire over Christmas can only contribute to this.”

What seems to pass them by is that this guilt-tripping could equally be done any year there’s a bad flu going round, as this winter is little different to many others in terms of ICU occupancy and winter mortality. Yet somehow we’ve always managed to celebrate Christmas.

Europe’s “Second Wave” in Decline

Positive “cases” are now in decline in France and have flatlined in Germany.

“It is a fact that the measures are working,” claimed Lothar Wieler, head of the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases (RKI), referring to Germany’s partial lockdown, in place since November 2nd. According to Reuters: “Bars and restaurants are closed, while schools and shops remain open. Private gatherings are limited to a maximum of 10 people from two households. After an exponential increase in the number of infections over the past weeks, Wieler said a plateau had now been reached. ‘We do not see the number of cases falling yet, but I am optimistic that they will.'”

Positive “cases” and, more importantly, hospital occupancy is also falling in Spain, as the above graphs show. It’s not so long ago, on September 28th, that Madrid was being reported as the “capital of Europe’s second wave”. But the international media quickly lost interest when the deluge never came. In fact, as the above graph shows, by September 28th hospital occupancy in the city had already begun to decline.

Lockdown zealots will claim the declines are due to the interventions. Some of them might be, but that doesn’t mean the interventions were necessary to achieve them. In fact, infections by date of symptom onset in Madrid had already peaked around September 1st, well ahead of the first set of restrictions on September 7th when restaurants, churches, sports centres, theme parks, guided tours, etc. had limits placed on them. Similarly, hospital occupancy had already been in decline for well over a week when the stricter lockdown came in on October 3rd, and schools and universities were not closed even then.

The myth that infections only peak and fall once restrictions are imposed needs to be busted. Time and time again the data tell a different story, but it seems many people don’t want to know. Until they accept this evidence, we are doomed to live in on-off lockdowns, unable to leave them lest the threatened great catastrophe finally arrive.

PHE Finally Recognises T-Cell Immunity

Is PHE at last catching up? In a collaboration between Public Health England and several UK testing bodies, the results of the Edsab-Home trial have confirmed that many people have pre-existing immunity to coronavirus. The Telegraph has more.

A quarter of people may already be immune to coronavirus even though many of them have never been infected, a new study by Public Health England (PHE) suggests.

Over the past few months, researchers have followed nearly 2,850 key workers from the police, fire and health services to gauge levels of immunity to the virus.

They discovered that, by June, one in four had high levels of T-cells which recognised Covid, suggesting they had some level of protection against the virus – but nearly half had never been infected.

Researchers believe they probably picked up immunity from similar coronaviruses such as those that cause the common cold. In the four months of follow-up, nobody with a high T-cell count became infected with Covid, suggesting they were protected against it.

Dr Peter Wrighton-Smith, the CEO of Oxford Immunotec, the company that developed the T-cell test for trial, said it showed antibody testing alone may underestimate the number of people already immune to the virus.

There are now a number of studies that confirm this.

At least six studies have now reported T-cell activity against coronavirus in 20 to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.

In blood donor samples taken in the US between 2015 and 2018, around half showed some kind of immune resistance to Covid, even though they were taken years before the virus emerged. Likewise, in the Netherlands coronavirus-fighting T-cells were found in two of 10 people who had not been exposed to the virus. 

During the Swine Flu outbreak, scientists also discovered that people had prior immunity to the H1N1 strain, probably through earlier exposure to flu.

Read the full Telegraph report here.

The Government document, “Evaluating detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies“, can be found here.

New Lockdown-Sceptic Student Campaign Launched

A new student-led group has been started out of Oxford to raise awareness of why lockdowns are such a terrible idea. From their manifesto:

We are Unlock, a student-led campaign that aims to highlight the irrationality and inherent unfairness of lockdown policies. 

Unlock believes that lockdowns are highly damaging, based on overzealous science, and contrary to the very foundations of our traditional British liberty. Our mission is to raise awareness about the unforeseen, true costs of lockdown – the shocking excess deaths, the mental health struggles, and the decades worth of damage to our small businesses. This campaign seeks to give a real voice to people who can testify to the impact of lockdown on their lives.

Our duty as citizens is to support the communities around us. Our aim is to increase public awareness of lockdown’s limitations, ultimately to push the government to rethink the cost of their actions.

The campaign has five goals:

  1. Unlock business. We want to unlock the voices of small business owners who have borne the financial cost of lockdown.
  2. Unlock healthcare. We want to unlock the voices of patients who have missed appointments, treatments and screenings, and what this means for them. 
  3. Unlock education. We want to unlock the voices of students who have had a demoralising university experience like none other.
  4. Unlock sport. We want to unlock the voices of gym-goers, sports teams, and individuals who have been stopped from keeping fit and healthy. 
  5. Unlock life. We want to unlock the voices of people who want to regain their liberty and community, and are frustrated because they aren’t being listened to. 

Read the full manifesto here and, if you’re a student, why not get involved?

Visit the group’s website here, follow them on Twitter here and on Facebook here.

Stop Press: On the unlocking theme, Dr Mike Yeadon has done a new interview with Unlocked on “Why Lockdown was a mistake” that is well worth a watch.

Update: YouTube has already deleted the video for “violating YouTube’s terms of service”. Find it on BitChute here.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “Masquerade” by Andrew Lloyd Webber and “Take that look off your face” by Marti Webb.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the turn of the University of Liverpool, where a Lockdown Sceptics reader’s son who works in the Chemistry Department has just been sent a document for “tackling race equality” entitled “Black Lives Matter – a starting point for addressing racial inequity in your department”.

Twelve pages long, its appetising headings include: “Race, Racism, intersectionality and White Privilege”, “Are Black voices heard and boosted?”, “Decolonising the curriculum”, “Educate yourself”, and the ludicrously patronising “Support for your Black staff and students”.

The reading list includes the classics: Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni-Eddo Lodge, How to Argue with a Racist by Adam Rutherford, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, and Biased – Uncovering the Hidden Prejudices that Shape Our Lives by Jennifer L. Eberhardt.

Here it is on systemic racism:

An important part of understanding systemic racism are the concepts of White Privilege and White Supremacy.

White Supremacy can refer to a social system in which White people experience structural advantages over other ethnic groups, on both a collective and individual level, despite formal legal equality.  Academic, Frances Lee Ansley, describes White Supremacy as “a political, economic and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily re-enacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings.”

White Privilege is the privilege experienced by White people when they benefit from unearned advantages, experience an absence of suspicion or negative responses to their presence or actions and have their experiences and culture centred as ‘normal’.

Which is all just lovely, except the claim that British society systematically advantages “white” people is a myth not borne out by the facts. “White” children (and especially boys) do not do best at school, “white” people are not the best paid racial group, and “white” people are the least likely to go to university. So the entire empirical premise is false. But facts don’t seem to come into it.

Of course, there is also the small matter that encouraging people to identify themselves and others primarily by their race and categorise one race as supremacist oppressors and another as a oppressed victims is deeply divisive and harmful to people’s self-understanding. But that, too, features nowhere in the nihilistic woke-fest that is Critical Race Theory.

The reader asks for suggestions as to how his son might resist this nonsense. The Free Speech Union has some suggestions here and here which may be helpful. He should also join in case his woke colleagues turn on him for failing to toe the line.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now approaching 700,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

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Bob’s cartoon in today’s Telegraph

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Platinum
Platinum
5 years ago

Around 2005ish I had the worst flu of my entire life. The only other memory I have of that time was that it was Christmas, and we voluntarily told our two grandmothers not to come for their traditional Christmas dinner at our house. That was it, no drama, no national lockdowns, no wailing and gnashing of teeth. Just sensible adults making decisions for ourselves.

Yet we’re being told grandma can’t come for Christmas this year when no one is ill. For a government to tell healthy adults who haven’t got a virus (that is the equivalent of a bad flu), not to meet other people who haven’t got a virus, it’s the most cruel and inhumane thing ever, and I hope all the government, the scientific advisers, and every MP who voted for this nonsense to rot in hell.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

Spent the last two days on a virtual conference set up by The Dollar Vigilante (Jeff Berwick) whose work some of you may be familiar with. A bewildering array of outstanding freedom-oriented speakers on a broad range of topics about ways to survive this crisis. Robust, enlightening and entertaining chat with fellow attendees on every continent who are disgusted with the horrific state of affairs in their respective countries.

The broad consensus was that things are going to get much, much tougher in the short term, but if we are smart we can come out of the other side of this thing. Despite the impenetrable blackness, my heart is filled with optimism tonight.

https://dollarvigilante.com/

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Great stuff – I like Jeff Barwick. Sounds good.

Yeah – time to dig in and hunker down.

I’ll be stocking up the next few days.

jb12
jb12
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Stocking up with what?

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Food, booze, everything.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I’ve got 6 months of tobacco supplies. Need to order more. Alcohol is more tricky, my drink of choice is beer and it takes up a lot of space in my small flat. Although I do have multiple bottles of Absinth ready for when the military are knocking on doors to administer Dr. Gates’ potions.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

An example of lockdown hell I found out about is Panama.

Masks have been mandated anywhere outside your property, including when driving your vehicle (even alone). Men and women are allowed outside on alternate days for a couple of hours only during a time slot determined by digits in your social security number. In some provinces, the sale of alcohol was banned for 6 months. All of these regulations have been vigorously enforced by aggressive policing.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Much covid?

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

According to the WHO dashboard, 3,000 deaths. Which is 0.08% of the population of 4 million. Assuming the figures have been massaged, basically no deaths at all. A very similar deaths per million rate to the UK, so the extremely tight restrictions have (officially) made absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Dale
Dale
5 years ago

Why is Labour wasting a golden opportunity to rebrand itself as the anti-lockdown party ? Do they not believe there are sufficient numbers of Brits to make that fly ?

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Dale

Their core now is ciaght by the woke identity politics. A boutique kind of political purpose. As long as they can corral enough to the cause will be alll that matters. The fact that many many safe areas voted for Boris Johnson speaks volumes. And they are advocating policies which will destroy these people even more.

They have no principles as a source of redemption for the common working man anymore. In fact, the death of John Smith was their last chance. Its been a long slide to hell since.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

The advent of Tony Blair was the end of this country. We now have a Tory government implementing communist policies. The long march through the institutions is complete.

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago
Reply to  Dale

There is no milage in being anti-lockdown. If lockdowns are announced there must be something really serious to fear. What’s the answer? Severer lockdowns. Anyone who says differently is being reckless with our lives.

Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago

Freddie Sayers works quickly. Interview with Dr Henning Bundgaard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2unEsolAx4

Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Very pro-mask, despite their own data. Very disappointing and will be used to promote masks.

Caramel
Caramel
5 years ago

Dr Roger Hodgkinson’s credentials are good but here’s an amendment.

http://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Interesting. So he lied?

Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Doesn’t appear so. He says: “I was the Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in pathology in Ottawa”. The statement from the Royal College suggests some have misinterpreted this and suggested he was the Chairman of the Royal College.

OKUK
5 years ago

The BBC’s new DG claimed he was going to rein BBC presenters’ use of twitter in a partisan manner. Since deluded Davies arrived things have just got worse! If you can bear it, take a look at the twitter accounts of Sopel, Bryant and Zurcher. Disgustingly one-sided. Their hatred of Trump and his supporters is on full display. They even revel in Republicans falling victim to Covid. These overpaid primadonnas are supposed to be reporting impartially on US affairs. Whether they like it or not Trump and tens of millions of American voters think the election was stolen and Trump is going to court in an effort to prove that. Sopel, Bryant and Zurcher agree with the Democrats in denying any substantial fraud. That shows they are not acting in an impartial manner.

John P
John P
5 years ago

Some wise points on vaccines on Tim Hayward’s twitter feed:

“Those who raise legitimate concerns about #OperationWarpSpeed will be de-platformed to make way for the “required” saturation of pro-#vaccine messaging across the English-speaking media landscape. #TheDefender #BigPharma #ProfitsOverPeople #Censorship”

Who tweeted that? Robert F Kennedy, junior

Tim commented:

“The for-profit companies that make vaccines insist on being indemnified against claims arising from harms caused; the police and the controllers of media want to criminalise questioning vaccine safety; the people will be compelled to have vaccines, regardless. Happy with that?”

Certainly not!

There’s some very worrying censorship sweeping the net at the moment.

I think it’s important to recognise that while even here we have differences of opinion about some matters, and sometimes debate can be heated, nevertheless everyone is entitled to express their viewpoint openly. No-one has the right to silence anyone else here.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

RFK Jr is a great guy. His Dad stood up to the Mafia and he’s standing up to another type of mafia.

I think the vaccine is unlikely to prove very successful. The people this vaccine is supposed to protect are mostly very near the end of life. I’d be surprised if, as with the flu vaccine, there aren’t serious negative effects for many after receiving it and that in any case many old and frail people will be unable to cope with the “energetics” of the induced immune response…defending every cell in your body is a demanding process.

There is then the very serious question of what will happen if we do however develop successful flu and Covid vaccines. Do the arrogant Pharma folk really think the world of pathogens is going to ignore the vacated niches in old people’s poorly functioning lungs? Or is it not far more likely that other pathogens – worse, novel pathogens from the animal kingdom – will move in and take their place? Big Pharma is intent on playing a kind of Russian roulette with the whole of humanity. Eventually one of these vaccines isn’t going to result in an empty chamber… Read more »

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Indeed. I see this in the evolution of technology in terms of IT. We create problems that we never knew existed.

sceptickat
sceptickat
5 years ago

Excellent article by Ross Clark in the Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html. Comments are pretty good too.

Sue
Sue
5 years ago

To finish the week on a light note you have to watch this video – very funny!
Can we make this the xmas #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Yk7F6Wx9c&feature=youtu.be

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Some good bits, some feeble.
Some bits the Sceptics could definitely improve on!

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Ooh err, Houston, we have a problem. Our KBF group decided a couple of weeks ago we’d get behind this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niveDrQHFio

Poll ?

And there’s RightSaidFred too now. Robbie Williams doesn’t count.

OKUK
5 years ago

No but he’s in a war of survival and you use whatever’s to hand.

OKUK
5 years ago

NEWSNIGHT REVIEW

Deborah Cohen put in a decent report on Newsnight. Certainly better than the unbalanced fear-mongering stuff the BBC doles out as standard fare. Her report made clear that there was no scientific consensus on transmission, efficacy of masking, and immunity levels. She further implied there had been an over-focus on the medical response to Covid with the serious negative effects of the lockdown and fear campaign on pepoles general physical health and mental health as well.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

wow, this makes a change

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Cohen’s been consistently good, surprised she’s still on the BBC.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yes, a small island of relative sanity in the boiling ocean of BBC plague hysteria.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’m surprised this isn’t considered to be false information.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Dyfed-Powys Police are investigating I believe.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

🙂

… and ‘providing reassurance’ too, one hopes.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

It’s sometimes tempting to think that the BBC is a broader church and more balanced than some of its output might lead one to believe; too much of it, however, is simply appalling. Maybe they make a special effort with Newsnight in deference to the target audience. If this is the case, it is rank hypocrisy.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

I agree, it’s a case of “the plebs watching breakfast TV can’t be exposed to this sort of thing…but it’s probably best for Debs to explain to the Newsnight viewers it’s all quite complicated, just in case we have to change tack at some point.”

Sue
Sue
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

jesus effing christ only taken her 8 months to work that one out!!

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Sue

To be fair I think she’s been producing some pretty good reports dipped in scepticism, if not soaked, for several months now.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

It’s surprising that she is still getting in the occasional report, given the balanced, but sceptical one she did on the Nottingham lockdown. She certainly isn’t one of the gang.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Deborah Cohen has been a (rare) beacon since early May. Surprised she hasn’t been silenced – though we saw less of her after she questioned Ferguson’s model.

godowneasy
godowneasy
5 years ago

Anyone here still think the Daily Mail is the lockdown sceptics friend? =- think again.

Disgusting.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Oh FFS. Another one added to the ever growing boycott list. 😡

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Face masks are a crime against humanity, but this is the paper that once endorsed the Nazis

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2017/oct/31/horrible-history-daily-mail

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

To be fair – that was before Paul Dacre.

(He’d have been much more enthusiastic 🙂 )

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

They are taking the piss. These bastards think this is funny now.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Bad as the Torygiraffe in blowing both ways. Evidently can’t afford not cashing in on that juicy govt adrev!

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Chasing their tails over sales. Hard work trying to please all the readers and maintain any shred of credibility, which is why they’ve pitched their tent somewhere between a charade and a masked balls up.

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Filthy Festive Face Rags…come and get your Pathogen-Pooling, Spot-Producing, Filthy Face Rags for Christmas. Guaranteed to deprive you of life-giving oxygen.

godowneasy
godowneasy
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I am pleased that my late night anger has been shared with the good people on here – have a good night everyone

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Sweet dreams of a mask-free UK!

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  sceptickat

Really good article. Very sceptical, not pulling many punches. Johnson and Hancock will realise it spells trouble for them.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  sceptickat

“Analysts will sift through vast amounts of data to ensure Boris Johnson has the most up-to-date information”

Why bother? A complete waste of resources. Johnson has completely lost his mind, and is incapable of any rational decisions.

Sprinter
Sprinter
5 years ago

There’s an article on the BBC:
Covid ‘conspiracy theory’ leaflets sent to homes – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55004533

Can ayone supply a link to the leaflet – it would be good to “fact check” it to be able to counter claims like:
“The leaflet contained false information and conspiracy theories in respect of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sprinter

The BBC is an irrelevance

Sprinter
Sprinter
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

In this case the BBC are just reporting.
The quote is from Dyfed-Powys Police and the article concluded with:
Plaid Cymru’s Helen Mary Jones, MS for Mid and West Wales, said: “Freedom of speech is a very important principle, but sharing outright lies with people and frightening people? Freedom of speech is something that you should use responsibly.”

Shouldn’t sceptics try to correct things like that?

OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Sprinter

She’s one step away from Lenin’s belief that “freedom is so precious, it has to be rationed. “

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sprinter

You don’t know what’s in that leaflet, and neither do I

I’m still waiting for Matt Hancock’s urgent inquiry into PHE and their fraudulent over counting of Covid deaths.

Not to mention the scandal of death certificates favouring Covid when someone’s died of something else. There’s the fraudulently used PCR tests, the conflicts of interest (Vallance’s £600,000 shares in vaccine manufacturers)

Would you say I was spreading misinformation if I said Covid-19 was harmless to the vast majority of people? (I’m quoting Chris Whitty from a Downing Street press briefing earlier this year)

Meanwhile excess deaths at home and deaths from cancelled medical treatment are climbing as well as suicides, even of children

Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Sprinter

https://www.larryhannigan.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Covid_Leaflet_190820_print_02.pdf

COVID-19

An evidence-based analysis

We are not being told the full facts by the government or the NHS about Covid-19. There are many examples throughout history of the government and media misleading the people in order to push through an agenda.

They are doing so again now.

FACT: Covid-19 was downgraded from high-consequence infectious disease (HCID) status by the UK government on 19th March, 2020.

FACT: Death rates are no higher this year than in a bad ‘flu season.

FACT: Covid-19 is being put on death certificates fraudulently, without a test having been carried out and when the patient died of something else.

The government and its representatives in the NHS and media are misrepresenting the facts in order to create the illusion of an unprecedented deadly pandemic, and using that illusion to justify extreme “lockdown” measures: measures that have thrown millions into unemployment, mental illness, and deep personal crises.

Suicides, substance abuse, and domestic violence rates have soared.

Lockdown measures are ruining lives, not saving them, and the situation is on course to get very much worse – unless we act together now.

But why would the government impose such extreme measures if not to halt a deadly… Read more »

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

It’s happening, most likely, because of the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset

The economy’s being destroyed for the billionaires to redesign the economy to their liking. We’re being made to suffer so we surrender and accept endless vaccines and immunity passports. Tech companies, Gates, Pharma and governments win. It’s the new normal. The new world order. The fourth industrial revolution etc..

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

With a dash of agenda 21/30 and zero carbon policies

Sprinter
Sprinter
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Thanks – that’s what I was looking for.

NappyFace
NappyFace
5 years ago

If you promote lockdown, you must pay for it.

That means you put yourself in the shoes of those you are impacting – including those less fortunate than yourself.

Then let’s see how keen you are on keeping this charade going!

For starters, maximum pay for EVERYONE to be the lesser of 80% of your normal pay or £2,500 per month. It doesn’t matter if you are a CEO or billionaire, you are restricted to £2,500 per month. Apply for payment holidays on your debt as required.

Secondly, if you have second homes, these must be donated to those with less space than you.

If you have assets, they should be relinquished to pay for the huge costs you have incurred.

We are implementing Harrison Bergeron on health grounds, so this should be countered with matching measures on wealth grounds.

If you are very rich, you have a lot which can be donated to “save our NHS”. If you own a media empire, you might have enough wealth to keep many thousands not working for weeks or months.

We would quickly see a change. These people don’t mind inflicting pain on others, they’d be less keen if they… Read more »

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Piers Morgan can be first in line

NappyFace
NappyFace
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Exactly.

Wookie
Wookie
5 years ago

Lockdown Sceptics has become my go to material for all this virus shit. It is a magnificent effort both by the main writers Toby and Will and also the contributors to this comment section are really very good and their persistence to bring information to our consciousness from wherever it may be hidden or otherwise is extremely laudable. However, after many months of applying myself to read and extract the most positive of articles and comments to help with my peace of mind, even more, my everyday sanity just to keep from going under. I feel, that for all the positivity and truth to the unexpurgated righteousness of what is being expressed here, where the hell will it get us!? Our reasoning falls on deaf ears! Johnson, Hancock et al have the same information, of that you can be sure. We can show them alternative graphs til the cows come in. You can get 40000 scientists to portray a different view on their dodgy graphs of doom, they can even admit (as they did!!) that their information is bogus to instigate a second lockdown. Nothing changes! So it continues, day after day, week after week. Pig headed shrills driving us… Read more »

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  Wookie

Can’t give up. I keep going on hatred, everyone has to find their own way.

The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Wookie

Or to put it more simply: When this is over the living will envy the dead.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Wookie

Stop it!
Things are changing by the day. You’re looking in the wrong direction.
Never mind the deaf ears. Get yourself to a demo tomorrow.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Wookie

Everyone needs to take a break from the war occasionally, wookie.

Be kind to yourself for a day or two, do the things you like and that relax you, and return refreshed.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago

The BoB cartoon above is good, but maybe not sufficient to shame the PD into waiving the rules. The optical instrument in his hand, however, would almost certainly be more effective at detecting the virus than a PCR test no matter which way round you held it.

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

Seen thumbnails of videos of Klaus Schwab (World Economic Forum) warning of future grid problems (power cuts) and I’ve just heard of power cuts in Liverpool! Seems too much of a coincidence

Liverpool is under attack 🙁

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Hopefully just the wrong kind of leaves in a transformer somewhere?

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

I hope so

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The fear of the virus is losing its power.Lets try something else

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

It seems too much of a coincidence. It becomes clear it’s a war of attrition. Unfair, cruel and unjust. But power cuts mean the source of pro lockdown propaganda stops too

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Over the summer I read about there being a power cut in America and it was said for 1.5 days everyone forgot about covid. Says a lot.

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Exactly. That does say a lot

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

To me, it at least suggests we should work out how to switch off tv transmissions.

The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

FFS get over yourself. Power cuts happen all the time for many reasons. They are a frequent occurrence out here in the cuds after birds have struck overhead lines. But in this instance Schwab is right: Electricity usage is going up, old fossil fuel powered generators are being decommissioned and their generating capacity is not being replaced at the same rate by renewable energy sources putting a squeeze on the capacity margin. The inevitable consequence of this is power cuts.

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

Why are power cuts always in working class areas, never in rich areas? Liverpool is first for mass testing. Then power cuts. Most likely a coincidence. But if they keep happening…

It used to be that the Great Reset was a conspiracy theory. Now it’s advertised on billboards in the UK

Klaus Schwab is not driven by compassion for the human race

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

One in Bradford this week.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

They keep breaking our centre-backs too. I knew it was an Illuminati plot …

Aslangeo
Aslangeo
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

I just have, why have they changed their minds and started printing facts? All figures laid out clearly, why the Damascus road conversion?

Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

Now THAT’s a headline. Tide turning?

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

They’re a bit bloody late to the party. Some of their scaremongering has been appalling.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

The Mail is schizophrenic. It will be back to death and Christmas carnage tomorrow I’m sure.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Yes – they do keep flip flopping from one side to the other I agree. Probably trying to keep everyone happy and they have been useless to us for a couple of days or so what with all the vaccine sales hype.

The Mail article here is good, but will be pushed to the bottom of the pile by the morning. Momentum starts slowly but builds up quickly……it will become unstoppable and in the right direction when Joe Public are invited to take a prick of fluid into the arm but resist.

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

The Daily Mail are lying ba**ards

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

‘The intelligence analysts will sift through vast amounts of data to ensure the Prime Minister has the most up-to-date information on the spread of the virus.’

Intelligence analysts eh? It must be worse than we thought if they’re using oxymorons. Bad enough when they were just using morons..

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

It’s refreshing to see some facts in the mainstream, but still a fart in a wind tunnel for our cause. Especially on a day when Yeadon is censored. Still, it’s a positive, maybe they’re seeing the weight of feeling in the comments on their page.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago

Research paper from 2008 mentions SARS-CoV-2

https://jcm.asm.org/content/46/5/1734

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago

? What’s that about. How’s that possible ?

The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
5 years ago

It also references SARS-CoV3…

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

Very strange.This is a supercomplex article which can only be commented by virologists.The most baffling is mentioning Sars-Cov3.The article produced in American journal by authors from Beijng University.The rearch sponsored also by European Commision.Before jumping into conclusion and this was in 2008 ,They could be discussing the original SARS virus and subtyping of them? Let a qualified virologist judge before any conclusion. There was a fake scare of mentioning SarsCov-2 in testing equipment some months ago.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Yeah I’ve no understanding of it. Occams Razor and all subtypes probably the right idea, but in what context is it mentioned? Can you find any modern papers that mention SARS-CoV-4 for example?

Cranmer
Cranmer
5 years ago

Wasn’t the vaccine announced just after Biden was declared the winner? (despite that not being the case until ratification by the Electoral College). The implication being, presumably, that it was somehow the evil Trump that was holding it back and the goodie Biden who was delivering it.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

Freedom marches tomorrow, Nov 21
Basildon, Birmingham, Bournemouth, Ipswitch, Liverpool,

Sunday 22 – Nottingham

See also regular Saturday events in Sheffield, Norwich, Belfast and York.

https://www.standupx.info/

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

The Rona has been massively, shamelessly weaponised against Trump, he was trying to turn the tables on the lying media swamp.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Short answer: no. But Trump is on the side of freedom and the constitution. Biden assuredly is not.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

I said short answer: no. That implies I don’t think he’s beyond criticism.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Military?

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Are you paid to write this crap?

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Goodnight, soldier.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Has someone deleted a lot of messages ? Or has Bugle gone into full SAGE mode ? 🙂

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I won’t blame Trump after the abominable, utterly cynical hate campaign that was waged against him. The man did his best to fight this lunacy.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

It’s not over yet.

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Oh I wouldn’t want to waste your precious time.

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

You’re in the wrong shop Danny. Goodnight, have a big drink of water or you’ll have a shocking bad head in the morning.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I’m puzzled. Does anyone really give all this much of a toss about the moronic orange Trump, king of the bankruptcy scam?

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
5 years ago

Sorry, I’ve typed something in error.

assoc
assoc
5 years ago

According to the Daily Express ‘nearly’ 100,000 people have been tested in Liverpool since the mass testing began 14 days ago.
The population of Liverpool is around 489,000.
But doubtless more will queue up for vaccinations.

Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  assoc

“Metropolitan” Liverpool is 902,000 people, but I don’t know what the geographic scope of the testing is.

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  assoc

Don’t know if the programme extends beyond the city council boundaries but the greater Liverpool population including Sefton and Knowsley boroughs is probably double that.

Liam
Liam
5 years ago

God in Heaven. I’ve just found out this minute that the Spectator’s chief Covidian propagandist James Forsyth is married to Allegra Stratton and is godfather to Rishi Sunak’s children, and Sunak to his.

But the swamp doesn’t exist, honest Guv.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago
Reply to  Liam

One of the reasons I stopped my subscription to the Spectator was the cosy network of friendships, marital and family relationships within the magazine, with the rest of the media and with the top tier of government. Not only is James Forsyth married to Allegra Stratton, Dominic Cummings is married to the commissioning editor, Mary Wakefield. There’s more, but I’m tired…

Liam
Liam
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Oh I bet there’s more. I knew about Cummings.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago

JP’s latest video is quite funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USxim7iymBg

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago

I use to believe in the death penalty for the most heinous of crimes. I am now fully on board with solitary.

I never truly realised how tortuous monotony & social isolation was.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago

USA might be as well.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

Carol McGiffin explaining why she can’t bear to watch Wankock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdQWoptDuFA

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