Boris Close Aide Quits In Downing Street Power Struggle
Trouble is brewing in Downing Street as tensions over access, strategy, style and leaks come to a head. The Financial Times has the story.
Boris Johnson’s Director of Communications resigned on Wednesday night following a bitter Downing Street power struggle over access to the Prime Minister and over who will lead the UK Government’s communications strategy.
Lee Cain, one of Mr Johnson’s longest-serving and most loyal aides, said that “after careful consideration” he would quit Number 10 at the end of the year.
The departure of one of the Prime Minister’s most important allies follows a rejected plan that would have seen Mr Cain promoted to Mr Johnson’s Chief of Staff, an idea that resulted in a furious backlash from Conservative ministers, MPs and officials.
In a statement, Mr Cain said, “it has been a privilege to work as an adviser for Mr Johnson for the last three years – being part of a team that helped him win the Tory leadership contest, secure the largest Conservative majority for three decades – and it was an honour to be asked to serve as the Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff.”
Mr Johnson thanked Mr Cain for his “extraordinary service” in government over the past four years. “He has been a true ally and friend and I am very glad that he will remain Director of Communications until the new year and to help restructure the operation. He will be much missed.”
Rumours were swirling in Westminster that the aide resigned over an inquiry into the leaked news of the decision to lock down England on October 30th. While some Whitehall officials speculated Mr Cain may have been “partially” to blame for the story, he has “categorically denied” responsibility.
One Whitehall official said Number 10 had become a “nest of vipers”, adding “it’s all falling apart in there, it’s far worse than the outside world realises. Plus doing it in the middle of pandemic is totally disgraceful.”
From the outside it’s not clear who is arguing for what in No 10 in terms of lockdowns. But if Cain was involved in the leak that appeared to be designed to bump the PM into committing to Lockdown 2.0 then his departure may be a good thing. One senior Conservative official claims there are also “serious questions on Boris’s mind about Dom [Cummings] too,” while another Government insider says it is “50:50” whether Dom will quit.
Dom and Boris were said to be having a “furious row” in Downing Street last night. Some observers saw this as a power struggle between Dom and Carrie Symonds, the Prime Minister’s girlfriend, who is reported to have objected to the appointment of Lee Cain as Chief of Staff on the grounds that he’s a man and Boris hasn’t appointed enough women to senior positions. Is Boris really paying attention to this codswallop? My sources tell me he is.
In addition, the FT quotes a “Conservative official” questioning whether it is “appropriate” that all the people with access to Boris “would be men”. “That’s hardly governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris,” he said.
What on earth is “governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris”, and what kind of “Conservative” official would talk in such terms? Cripes, if these are the lackeys clustering around Boris he’s doomed, and so are we.
Read the full report here.
Infections Were Falling BEFORE Local Lockdowns
It’s well-known that local restrictions failed to prevent the autumn surge in COVID-19 infections. The areas placed under such restrictions during the summer were among the worst affected in the autumn.
Despite this, it is now becoming commonplace to claim that the Tier 3 restrictions were responsible for bringing the R rate down ahead of the national lockdown. But does this stand up to scrutiny?
In at least seven areas placed under Tier 3 restrictions in October, including the cities of Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield and Nottingham, positive case numbers had peaked and begun to decline days, in some cases weeks, before the new restrictions came into effect (let alone allowing for the delay in their having an impact).
- Liverpool was placed under Tier 3 on October 14th but positive cases had been declining since October 8th, 6 days earlier.
- West Lancashire was placed under Tier 3 on October 17th but positive cases had been declining since October 13th, 4 days earlier.
- Manchester was placed under Tier 3 on October 23rd but positive cases had been declining since October 1st, 22 days earlier.
- Sheffield was placed under Tier 3 on October 24th but positive cases had been declining since October 8th, 16 days earlier.
- Warrington was placed under Tier 3 on October 29th but positive cases had been declining since October 27th, 2 days earlier.
- Nottingham was placed under Tier 3 on October 29th but positive cases had been declining since October 9th, 20 days earlier.
- Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire was placed under Tier 3 on October 30th but positive cases had been declining since October 20th, 10 days earlier.
This suggests local lockdowns are not necessary to end the current seasonal epidemic of Covid – if that’s what it is, and not simply a “casedemic” – and that other factors such as population immunity are more important. The lack of a second surge in London, hit hard in spring, is also telling.
The October decline in Covid is actually a surprising turn of events. Not because we wouldn’t expect population immunity already to be kicking in – anyone who’s been following experts like Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Carl Heneghan will have been expecting this since the spring. But because respiratory illness normally keeps rising throughout the autumn and well into December before easing off in the new year.
With other respiratory pathogens such as flu running at a low ebb this year, if Covid doesn’t resume its rise we could, ironically, be in for an unusually mild flu (and Covid) season. Particularly as hospitals have been quieter than usual for the time of year.
Either way, there is no evidence the recent decline in infections should be attributed to lockdowns, local or otherwise.
Once the current national lockdown is lifted, we should be looking to lift restrictions further, not double down on costly local restrictions that have also proven unnecessary.
Stop Press: The Spectator has launched its Covid data tracker that includes a page devoted to tracking “cases” in Tier 3 areas. It shows “cases” were already falling in many of them. Find it here.
Pfizer Vaccine is “Completely Unworkable” – Ex-Director of Pharmaceutical Company
The logistical challenges of deep-freeze storage make the vaccine unsuited to mass roll out, and cynical motives are suspected for making the announcement. The Telegraph has more.
Interim analyses of vaccine trials are often carried out in case the jabs prove to be dangerous or ineffective. But one former director at pharmaceutical giant GSK told the Telegraph he was “utterly appalled” that Pfizer had released the clinical trial data before peer-review.
“Really it’s just a cynical and egregious marketing ploy by Pfizer to get early orders, with money up front, because they know that mass vaccination with a vaccine that needs storage at -80 degrees is completely unworkable,” he said. “It’s just a dreadful example of big pharma trying to get its share price up and profits into its organisation before the Pfizer vaccine is declared totally impractical for widespread use in society.
“As soon as other vaccines are available, then this Pfizer vaccine will not be widely used. Hence their announcement to get in early.”
Many experts now believe the Pfizer vaccine will never be suitable for mass immunisation because of the cost and cold-chain storage required.
Stop Press: Isabel Hardman in the Spectator wonders whether the NHS can really be relied upon for a successful roll-out of such a challenging logistical exercise. Not looking promising.
Barry Norris: Timeline of Pfizer Announcement Suspicious
Yesterday, we ran a piece speculating about whether the Pfizer/BioNTech announcement had been deliberately delayed to avoid giving Trump an electoral boost. Barry Norris, the renowned biotech investor, thinks those journalists who’ve dismissed this as just another deranged, Trump conspiracy theory haven’t been forensic enough in their reporting. For their benefit, he’s provided Lockdown Sceptics with the following timeline:
Trials started in July. By Oct they had 40k volunteers who had had two doses. Trial was originally expected to read out in Oct with the first interim hit at 32 cases (blinded).
Trump said we will have vaccines before election. This was seen as politicising issue.
Oct 22nd FDA COVID panel (nothing said about need for more than 32 cases).
On Oct 27th the Pfizer CEO said: “Now you used a very creative way of asking, so I will tell you clearly. No, we don’t have the 32 events right now…” Everyone assumed that meant the trial had not reached the 32 events expected for the first interim read out. Similarly, Pfizer’s CEO also said “as we are speaking today, no, DMC has not been changed to their mandates. There have not been any changes like that.” (The DMC is the independent body that isn’t blinded overseeing the trial.)
Nov 9th Trial results announced.
On Nov 10th BioNTech CEO was asked the reason for the protocol being changed to 62 cases (from 32) and therefore being delayed:
Zhiqiang Shu, Analyst: “Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. And I want to add my congrats as well to the team. It’s definitely a critical moment for mRNA and for BioNTech. A few questions on the COVID-19 vaccine. So, the first one is I’d like to know what was the initial rationale for the protocol change from 32 cases to 62 cases for the first interim analysis?”
Ugur Sahin, Chief Executive Officer: “Okay, so let’s start with the first question to the protocol change. When we decided the protocol, this was sometime in July, it was not clear how the pandemic situation, the continuity evolves and one scenario was that the number of infection rates could drop, providing a difficulty to collect sufficient cases in 2020. Therefore, we have included an early interim analysis with 32 cases. But what happened is the contrary that of topping of the infection rate went up as you have seen in the last weeks dramatically and, therefore, we realized that lies between 32 cases and 62 cases are so close to each other that it does not make sense to do that without the 32 cases. We went back to the FDA and requested if we can top the 32 cases. The FDA, after evaluating the protocol change, accepted that. The whole process took about one week and when we started evaluation of the number of cases, we have passed the 62 cases and came up with 94 cases. So that’s the background for the protocol change.”
So we are supposed to believe:
The trial started in July and by early Oct there are 40k patients who have received two doses.
Oct 27th – less than 32 cases reported. Worries about too few cases.
After Oct 27th they asked the FDA to change the trial protocol to 64 as they were now “getting too many cases”.
The FDA “took a week to get back to us”. Did they have something better to do? Or did they intentionally stall?
“And by the time they got back we had 94 cases.”
And then suddenly a load of cases came along at once – like London buses!
So, they got at least 63 cases between Oct 27th and Nov 8th? But only max of 31 before this over several months?
Given the “week” of deliberation, someone at sometime between Oct 27th and Nov 1st BEFORE THE ELECTION asked for the trial to be redesigned SO IT WOULDN’T READ OUT BEFORE THE ELECTION on Nov 2nd.
Now you don’t have to be a Trump supporter to think that odd, do you? Maybe you do nowadays!
Stop Press: Alex Azar, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, said today he did not hear about the trial results until it was publicly announced Monday morning, while the Biden campaign was informed Sunday evening…
Vaccine Required For Travel?
A reader was taken aback to see a WHO-approved “International Certificate of Vaccination” pictured prominently among the travel documents in the info he received from BA for his flight next week. Not actually a requirement yet. But this is ominous.
“Yes, of course vaccination is a choice, sir – a choice between having it and never travelling abroad again…”
Joe Biden’s New Covid Adviser: People Should Die “Swiftly and Promptly” After 75
Joe Biden, who is 77, has appointed to his coronavirus task force Dr Ezekiel J. Emanuel, who has argued that for most people “creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone” by 75. Will Lloyd in UnHerd has the details.
Six years ago, a distinguished American oncologist published an essay in The Atlantic. In ‘Why I Hope to Die at 75’ Dr Ezekiel J. Emanuel argued that for most people “creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone” by 75.
Accordingly, society as a whole would be improved if nature took “its course swiftly and promptly”. Medicine has extended life spans, but it has done little to make life worth living in old age, Emanuel argued at the time:
“Here is a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic.”
On Monday, Dr Emanuel was one of 10 advisory board members appointed to Joe Biden’s coronavirus task force. This is potentially awkward for Biden – not least because at 77 he is a few months beyond the age Dr Emanuel believes we cease to be much use to anyone.
Own goal from Sleepy Joe?
A Teacher Writes…
A teacher tells us of the challenges of teaching in Covid world and how it looks inevitable that exams will be cancelled across the UK in 2021.
Part year groups and odds and ends of pupils continue to be off while they isolate. As of today, we also have 10 staff self-isolating – about 20 percent of teaching staff. You never really know what you will be confronted with when you go in. If pupils are officially isolating you now have a legal duty to provide them with the same education as if they were present, in theory at the same time. Now we are in a some-here-some-not system in year groups where there has been a positive test, it makes it even harder. It is quite clear to me that GCSE exams this academic year are impossible. Not only has this cohort lost four months of school last year and two weeks plus odds and ends since September, but also there is no way to plan how to cover things between now and the summer because you might get a clear run of time or they might all be off again for a week or more any number of times in that period. I suspect the same approach as we have seen on so many issues will apply to this year’s exams. The government will say “in no way and under no circumstances will we ever do that….oh, all right then, we’ll do it”. How long before that happens: who knows?
False Positives in Liverpool
Professor David Livermore is concerned that mass testing with PCR or LAMP tests isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
We have the Mayor tweeting: “Busy at all of our testing centres today, total tested as of 12.00 pm today 44,233. 220 positive.” (4:51 PM · Nov 11th, 2020)
At the same time we have Lord Bethell in Parliament, as reported in today’s Telegraph, saying: “Lateral flow tests deployed in Liverpool as part of the city-wide testing pilot scheme have been shown to have over 99.6% specificity.”
If the specificity is 99.6% you expect four false positives per thousand, meaning almost 180 among 44,233 tests done. In that case, only 40 positives (220 minus 180) are likely to be true positives and the positive predictive value (PPV) (true positives/all positives x 100%) is only 18%. Had the infection prevalence rate been the ONS expected 2% then the PPV would be a very respectable 700/880 = c. 79.5%.
If I was the Liverpool Mayor this’d be troubling me.
One wonders if Lord Bethell knows what specificity is. A well targeted question would be helpful.
I think all these tests, PCR, LAMP and lateral flow are useful if they are used for what they were designed for – testing symptomatic patients when the physician has a clinical examination and a history. I’ve used them all to identify mechanisms of antibiotic resistance in bacteria. But I’d only ever use them on bacteria that looked resistant in the first place and I’d interpret the result together with the pattern of resistance.
Belt and braces.
False positives with PCR don’t surprise me in the slightest. If you run to very high CTs (done because you have a lot of poor quality samples) you start finding things that aren’t there. And I’m alert to what my friends in STD clinics tell me (i) there’s a lively debate on how long after treatment of gonorrhoea you should wait to do a [PCR-based] test of cure. Do it too soon and you find DNA from a very dead and quite harmless gonococcus, fooling you into thinking the patient isn’t cured when he/she is, and (ii) the Chlamydia tests that’ve been rolled out to pharmacies use PCR and gratuitously, look also for gonorrhoea, but the population prevalence is so low that the false positives outnumber the true positives, so you don’t inform the patient. The same tests are perfectly fine in an STD clinic where you can examine the patient and the disease incidence is much higher. Exactly the same story we are seeing here.
I had expected the lateral flow to have a lower false positive rate. They’re generally less temperamental than PCR and they’re looking for whole antigens, not fragments of nucleic acids, which seem more likely to linger. I’d thought, if anything, the problem would be missing weak true positives and early infection – low sensitivity in other words. But today’s numbers make me rethink. As I write above, one always comes back to the same point, that all these tests are methods to use in a proper diagnostic assessment of a patient, not as standalone screens.
Otherwise, I’m watching Slovakia, where they screened about 70% of the population at the start of the month, finding 38,000 positives. They were re-screening the highest prevalence areas this weekend just gone. So far there is no major reversal of trend on the routine detection curve on Worldometers, maybe just a small step down with the trend then reasserting, but I want to see a few more days yet before I’m sure.
Prof Tim Spector: Government is Tilted Towards Caution
Professor Tim Spector, an epidemiologist at KCL and founder of the ZOE app, spoke to Freddie Sayers at UnHerd and took a strong sceptic line. He said:
– Had the Government followed data from the ZOE app they would not have gone into a second lockdown, which he believes was unnecessary
– The Government is tilted too much in the direction of caution and has lost a balanced sense of proportion
– He is worried that they will use the new vaccine news as a “carrot” to keep us locked down for the next three months, when he believes it will likely take most of the year to get enough people vaccinated
– He understands people’s concerns about such a new vaccine, and ZOE will be tracking any side effects from vaccinated people via its app
Worth a watch.
Round-Up
- “Sixty seconds on… vitamin D” – Excellent overview of evidence supporting the efficacy of ‘D’ for Covid by Lockdown Sceptics reader Robert Brown in the BMJ
- “The vaccine’s siren song threatens to trap us in an even longer lockdown” – Philip Johnston in the Telegraph on the impetus the vaccine gives to stay in lockdown till it arrives
- “‘It’s like a severe hangover’: Volunteers who were first in the world to be given Pfizer’s Covid vaccine reveal how the side effects gave them headaches and left them ‘aching all over’” – The Mail reports on the unpleasant side-effects
- “Three Russian medics get Covid despite being given Putin’s Sputnik V vaccine they declared ‘92% effective’” – Can’t be worse than the Russian vaccine though, in the Sun
- “Mass-Covid testing scheme adopted in Liverpool will be rolled out across 67 authorities, Hancock reveals (so, is your town one of them?)” – Even though it only found 0.7% infection rate in Liverpool. The Mail reports on the next phase of Operation Moonshine that will cost a staggering £40bn, three times the annual policing budget
- “GPs in England will scale back care to deliver Covid vaccines” – Yet another way that Covid is going to impede ordinary healthcare, in the Guardian
- “We’re making our own rules this lockdown” – Some good sense from Alice Thomson in the Times
- “Beyond Crucial Update on Viral Issue – and Lockdown ‘Science’!” – Latest video from Ivor Cummins
- “Tory MPs form group to oppose future lockdowns” – BBC report on the new Covid Recovery Group (CRG) of Conservative MPs led by former Chief Whip Mark Harper and Brexit veteran Steve Baker
- “Brave Tory backbenchers are finally offering opposition to unnecessary lockdowns” – Dan Wootton in the Sun gives the CRG his backing
- “Lockdown sceptics should welcome the formation of the Covid Recovery Group” – As does Patrick O’Flynn in the Telegraph
- “This Morning expert slams GMB after Piers and Susanna discuss if people should be forced to have coronavirus vaccine” – TV psychologist Emma Kenny ticks off the presenters for “inflating fear” in their poll asking “should the vaccine be mandatory”. Gratifyingly, 64% of the 40,000 participants voted “No”
- “The Controlled Demolition of Society” – Dustin Broadbery in Hector Drummond Magazine on the surrender of liberty through unfounded fear
- “Case for Mask Mandate Rests on Bad Data” – Phillip Magness in the Wall Street Journal brings some real-world data to bear on the question
- “The Children Never Had the Coronavirus. So Why Did They Have Antibodies?” – The New York Times discovers cross-immunity. Shame it came after the election…
- “Flu d’état” – Powerful piece from Ramesh Thakur in the Spectator Australia
- “Delingpod with Laura Perrins” – James talks with the Conservative Woman co-editor and they don’t hold back
- “COVID-19 and Lockdown” – Part II of George Michael’s evidence-based review in Medium
- “Bidirectional associations between COVID-19 and psychiatric disorder: retrospective cohort studies of 62 354 COVID-19 cases in the USA” – New study in the Lancet on the links between Covid and mental health
- “JPMorgan Finds No Benefits From COVID Lockdowns” – Review by the bank confirms the findings of all the other studies on the efficacy of lockdowns, in Zero Hedge
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Dido’s Lament” by Purcell, “Life During Wartime” by the Talking Heads and “New Test Leper” by REM.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, a reader has alerted us to the capture of the monthly magazine of Waterfront, the Canal & River Trust, of all things. The cult is everywhere!
A little bit of woke gobbledegook for you… I am a friend of the Canal & River Trust: I live near a lovely canal in the North West and every day I enjoy a soothing walk along the towpath, enjoying the wildlife and the slowly gliding narrowboats and so on.
The Trust issues a monthly magazine called Waterfront, which used to be an unusually excellent publication – well-designed, beautifully illustrated, with great content, covering nature and history and the literature of the waterways and so on. The latest issue though is a slimmer, cheaper, less imaginative and far less interesting publication. The editorial justifies the change thus: “Waterfront is now easier to read and more economical to ensure more funds are available for vital heritage, wildlife and wellbeing work.” (Er, wellbeing?)
What a shame. But the truly irksome thing in the uglified new-look magazine is a double page spread that boldly proclaims: “It’s time for everyone’s story to be told.” Because, yes, even us canal fans need to be reminded that the canals are first and foremost tools of historical racism and exploitation.
The article begins: “When you walk along our canals, it’s not immediately clear that their story is inextricably entwined with the story of exploitation of people through slavery.”
Not immediately clear? No, it’s not – but please tell us more!
“In spring of this year, the Canal & River Trust worked with honarary research fellow, Dr Jodie Matthews, to start mapping those historical links. Her literature review drew together the available research whhich outlined that money from the transatlantic slave trade was invested in building canals. And that cargo produced by enslaved people, like sugar, cotton and tobacco was carried on our canal network.”
Hmm. Most people with the slightest awareness of history will already have been broadly aware of these facts. They’ve hardly been kept quiet all these years. But in the interests of wokeness, let’s indulge in some tedious virtue signalling, shall we?
The text then goes on to outline ways in which the profits of slavery were invested in canals, and name checks wealthy slave-owners who had shares in companies that built the canals. (In the interests of fairness, it is acknowledged that Josiah Wedgwood, who invested in the Trent and Mersey Canal, was actually an abolitionist. Phew!)
The article then points out that “canals transported goods produced by enslaved people, including indigo, tobacco, rice, cotton and sugar”. Liverpool and Manchester are singled out as being particularly guilty. The article concludes piously: “To date, the history of the canals has generally been told from only one perspective. History can often be selective. Jodie’s review found links exists, but more specific research needs to be done to understand its true extent and tell the full story of those marginalised by history.”
Which reads like the sign-off to a second-rate A-Level essay. C minus, try harder. Actually, please don’t bother.
And of course, the article is accompanied by a photograph of the removal of the statue of Robert Milligan “whose wealth built the West India Docks”. Milligan’s ejection, we’re told, was “an important step in recognising the feelings of the local community”. Whose feelings? Those of white, privately-educated wokesters?
Thank you, Waterfront. I’ll certainly be sure to reflect guiltily upon these historical injustices and my own white privilege as I stroll along the towpath this lunchtime. Actually, perhaps I’ll just chuck myself in the water and be done with it.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
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Not strictly on topic but there’s this Glasgow guy who posts videos on YouTube under the name “6oodfella” (NB not Goodfella). The videos might not appeal to everyone (the language is, as my mother would say, “choice”) but I find them hilarious. He takes the utter piss out of the Scottish Government’s obsession with “diversity” and “hate” crimes, and the actions of Police Scotland (the “national” police force in Scotland, the old local forces being too difficult to control by the politically motivated technocrats at the centre) in enforcing the laws. There is one video where he describes being arrested (but later released without charge) for posting an allegedly “racist” tweet which is quite brilliant in describing the absurdity of police resources being prioritised towards this sort of alleged criminal activity. Definitely worth checking out.
This photo is a few months old, but think it says a lot about the balance of power in Downing St, with Boris and Hancock cowed and frightened by a red faced Whitty.
Thanks. That speaks volumes and only increases my contempt for Johnson and the Conservative Party. They allowed this coup. Lazy irresponsible bunch of cowards.
How did the picture get out? It looks absolutely genuine to me.
Cummings harder to see but appears a mere bystander.
Yep.
Picture appeared on LS several months ago. And, yes, it certainly would be interesting to know who leaked it.
I was thinking of Glengarry Glen Ross. “ABC – Always be closing (everything down)”
This old photo was shown on UKColumn news yesterday. Johnson looks so pathetic. I suspect things are still much the same with unelected Whitty ($40M from Gates) laying down the ‘law’.
I may use it as a sticker on my car with the caption “Who’s the Boss?”.
Great idea. I took a screenshot from the UK Column broadcast, that’s why it’s not great quality.
I see Bill Gates is coming to the UK to roll out the vaccine. Who appointed him king of the world?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/13159687/boris-bill-gates-national-vaccine/
Bill Gates foundation has given millions in grants to Pfizer in recent years, not surprised he’s putting in an appearance to oversee the masterplan.
Yes he is funding all the front runners. Each way Gates.
Abduct him and take him to Sherwood Forest.
Looks like Number Six in the resignation scene, just before he pounds his fist on the desk.
The Boss is Bill Gates.
Who’s your Daddy, Boris?
Is Mr. Cain in this photo? Is he the chap in the middle? There’s another chap (I’m sure the person is male rather than female) just to the left of Mr. Cummings – anyone know who he is? (He’s slightly more visible in previous versions which have been posted – but not much. Perhaps he brought in the coffee and stayed to listen?)
It’s a man , but I don’t know who.
Where’s Abel?
UK Column featured this image yesterday. Tells us everything really. Whitty is controlled by Gates. Gates, the self-described “health expert” is the Daddy now, it would seem.
I saw the picture of Dominic Cummings and got excited for a sec as thought that he might have been the one to resign. Alas.
I was hoping both of these people were arrested
More than two arrests are necessary. There’s at least five on that picture who should now be be in jail.
According to Alex Belfied YouTube via Skynews Australia.
Oz will not be offering the vaccine to the elderly, pregnant women, under 12s, diabetics or the immunocompromised because it has not been tested safe enough.
Excluding several of the most vulnerable groups makes the whole exercise even more pointless and what does Australia know that our junta are not telling us.
From the roundup ‘flu d’etat’, nice one.
The elderly, pregnant women, under 12s, diabetics or the immunocompromised will get the vaccine, “but only when the clinical trials prove it is safe”
What is the rush to get the rest of Australia vaccinated when there are literally zero cases now ?
The Times reports that the NHS will be vaccinating one million people per week from 1 December…as you say, supposedly against something that scarcely exists… so what in fact is it for?
Exactly. I think we need to unite to challenge this.
I think we can forget the vaccine, as suggested in the report above. Surely no-one will be able to keep it cold enough for long enough and it will be totally impracticable?
The story of Pfizer cashing in while they can sounds all too plausible.
Just who has got the franchise on the thousands of ultra deep freezers now being sought? A government minister’s wife?
Jamie Oliver’s bankrupt restos.
How do we get the information out? The most effective way would, it seems to me, be by way of leaflets, stickers &c. So much censorship now and electronic communication so ephemeral.
Yes I agree. I wonder if there are already any campaigning organisations that are covering this we could get behind? We really need unite to be effective.
If we don’t resist we are finished. This is Bill Gates’s big chance to cull the world. His long cherished dreams are now coming to fruition and he must be a very happy man.
It’s about the Orwellian “freedom pass”. Freedom killer. Also about the concomitant wealth stripping of the plebs to engorge the super rich. And whilst at it, bump off some old ‘unproductive’ human stock by ‘saving them’ with no contact with other humans.
Predictable and pure evil. And it’s happening now and ultra quickly.
Agree with most of what you say, except that the bumping off won’t be restricted to the old and work shy. They regard humans as being already 90% redundant and this is now their big chance to massively cull the main herd. Operations like Covid-19 take years of planning (and bribing), so they are not going to let this once in a lifetime golden opportunity pass them by.
Yes, you can bet that anyone with, “problematic,” opinions will be vaxxed.
Here in the US the Biden camp is making noise about hiring 100k contact tracers.
Doesn’t sound like a sanitary Gestapo at all. Nope.
Sadly Rowan, you may be right. I don’t subscribe to the singular Blofeld conspiracy pattern theory…but there is a very malign convergence of interests: money, control, fixed oligopoly, varying factions. Some scenario-modelled the impact of pandemics and planned how to exploit suchlike, IMO. Many didn’t, but have jumped on the opportunity. It doesn’t matter whether this was originated as a conspiracy. I don’t care; I can see the convergence, the opportunism and the inherent hatred of democracy and plebs. How did we plebs dare accumulate agency and property and hope and education over the past 100 years? ‘Shut up you plebs and listen to the ‘experts’ we employ! ‘
I’m not going to argue with any of that.
Ps. Rowan, I was not seeking in any way to diminish your argument by my referral to Blofeld. I do believe there are some well planned interests who try to create situations for their benefit. And that those benefits are not win win or benign. I merely wished to express that such forces are some of very many other (opportunistic) ones playing right now.
Klaus Schwab would make a perfect James Bond villain if he wasn’t already playing the villain role for real.
This does worry me, that the vaccine distribution challenges could be instrumentalised to create a de facto “inner party”.
If that is the plan, why not just let the virus do the job that Nature created it to do?
Did nature create it? I thought it came out the BBC newsroom, or less likely it was a lab in Wuhan.
Th virus is not that calamitous, as we here know. It’s the response. Hugely disproportionate on a scale never seen before.
They will be deployed to GP and other vaccinating stations thus denuding the NHS of yet more staff from core work.
Depopulation is the name of the game. Those few that survive will be mind controlled. We’ve all seen the TV shows and now it’s really coming to a place near you.
The only good bit will be those who think they are in the loop (MPs, and media types) getting chucked under the bus when they are no longer needed.
Especially when you consider it is only being tested to see if it is effective against mild cases.
The vaccines are being tested on fit healthy adults aged 55 or under. The testing is likely about getting the dose right, as the last thing they will want are the masses keeling over in the surgery, just after vaccination. So very much better if people don’t start dropping until a few months down the road. By this time of course, the vaccination campaign will be over and hey presto, job done.
‘tested’ is the word.
Why not just vaccinate front-line NHS staff, carers, the elderly and the most vulnerable? Why do the rest of us need to be vaccinated, given that COVID symptoms are generally mild in the wider population?
Not all front line staff want to be vaccinated.
It’s about depopulation and it’s the same the world over. They need to get nearly all of us “done” at the same time, as people falling over shortly after the shot just might make some a little wary. Once vaccinated it will of course be too late.
The first vaccine will be fairly harmless.Its a gateway to the health passport.Remember Gates is planning 10 years of health.Plenty of tine to put something in a later vaccine when the population is truly under control.
“The first vaccine will be fairly harmless.” That might well be the case and it has crossed my mind a time or two. However, we can’t bank on it, so its a vaccine no go from dose one for me.
It’s because there are zero cases that Australia is one of the few places that might actually really benefit from a vaccine. Almost everywhere else is probably close enough to community immunity.
I’ve sent an article covering this and other ways of looking at the vaccine to Toby, no idea if he will want to use it.
New Zealand as well.
If the vaccine only does what it seems to be doing, it’s pretty useless for Kiwis and Aussies or tourists inbound, and only mildly or not at all potentially helpful for them, if they are under the age of 70 and ravelling abroad.
If they then still want to uphold their Zero Covid strategies, they’ll have keep their strict incoming quarantine rules in place forever, at least.
Or go even further and turn themselves into Sentinel Island 2 to 5.
The main benefit from these vaccines will be to Bill Gates’s bank balance.
This restores my faith in the Australian medical authorities if it’s true, because they have some of the most draconian vaccine regulations in the world. Any anti vaccine sentiment there is pounced upon with swift, scornful derision.
However they probably won’t allow anyone to arrive or leave until a ‘safe’ coronavirus vaccine arrives.
Which may be never.
The Australian Prime Minister has already told us we can’t fly overseas until we get the vaccine.
Very much so. I have family there who simply will not discuss it. Conversations have become monosyllabic, because there is simply nothing to say.
I know what you mean. I would have gone made if I hadn’t found places like here.
Sadly, Covid seems to be as divisive a topic as Brexit, if not more so.
I have rarely experienced hostility from maskoids even if we continue to disagree on the subject; ‘concern’ might be a better word.
Indeed it is divisive, but the vaccine should solve all that.
Much more divisive I would say. I fully respected Remainers who wanted to stay in the EU but also believed in democracy. But I cannot respect Covid nazis who want to destroy the economy and culture and everything that it is to be human. To me they seem like members of a cult and cannot be reached. They may as well join David Koresh on the other side.
Brexit was and still is a distraction for some. The long planned Covid event is the most serious situation that humanity has ever had to deal with. Most people and even some on this site have not yet got to grips with the enormity of what is really going on.
‘I’ve got nothing to say, but it’s okay, good morning, good morning’…
Having lived in Australia for many years (but British and living here now) I have to say that I am staggered at how compliant the people of Melbourne have been (I lived in Melbourne for a few years). It’s not the people I knew. What has happened to Aussie spirit and gumption in that state? Perhaps it’s because there are so many (Asian) migrants there I do not know. Perhaps they have upped the fluoride in the water (and I am not joking excessive amounts does affect the mind). But with dual citizenship and an Australian passport it looks like I won’t be going back there ever and especially as I won’t be vaccinated.
I am Australian but lived in the UK most of my life. I moved back to Melbourne recently and It’s really true that the people have changed. It is like a Dan Andrews mind control cult. We are just discovering now how he has been spending obscene amounts on spin doctors and behavioural scientists.
I came of age in England in late 80s/early 90s. The era of poll tax riots, road protests, crusties, and the Hippy Convoy. It is simply inconceivable that people of my generation would have swallowed this stuff about Covid and vaccinations from a Tory government back then. They would have been rioting in the streets. Yet nowadays, utter compliance to state diktat is seen as a badge of honour for the social justice warrior!
Those were the days ! Do you remember a million protesters took to the streets of London to oppose the Iraq war? That’s what we need to be doing.
Same, that’s my tribe.
“We are just discovering now how he has been spending obscene amounts on spin doctors and behavioural scientists.”
This is the same the western world over with the UK being a prime example.
I don’t get the impression the people of Melbourne are compliant when watching anti lockdown demonstrations on youtube. There is a sack Dan Andrews Facebook page
Dan and Jacinta are leaders of an authoritarian lefty woke cult, I don’t see what the appeal is but they have a lot of followers. It’s truly disturbing.
They will be pretty much consigning themselves to Third World status with their destruction of their travel and tourism sectors. Talk about national seppuku.
I’ve reached the point where I’m not bothered if I ever go visit Australia and New Zealand ever. In the past it would have been easy for me to go distance wise but never did because of my previous nationality (easier for me to pass through the eye of the needle than to get an Australian visa) now the issue is the reverse.
But with this lunacy, I will boycott overseas travel and if it means never seeing my family again so be it.
How about a mask with “Prison Under Construction”
Mask slogans are a great idea, especially if it is a co-ordinated campaign.
Except that you need to be wearing one to make your point.
From here, it looks like Crocodile Dundee was all a big myth.
Time to end that friendship haha.
Nice one!
More descendants of prison guards than of prisoners….
This isn’t a terrible idea in theory…it’s exactly how we have herd immunity for diseases such as measles. Young babies cannot have the vaccine but that’s ok as long all the other children do, because enough people are then immune as to protect the babies.
A better idea for covid would’ve been shielding of the vulnerable whilst letting anyone who wanted to go about their normal life spend all summer spreading it amongst themselves, thus creating the herd to protect the shielded.
Let’s not forget about this: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13152253/andrew-cuomo-vaccine-roll-out-trump/
As Cuomo has proven throughout this whole thing, he’s more than ready to let people die in the name of politics.
New York Gov Cuomo has already written and published a book praising himself for the way that he handled the crisis. Go to TrendsResearch, Gerald Celente for uptodate news on him and the Mayor of New York.
One of the (many) inexplicable things about this whole Covid saga is that there’s seems to be some idea that Cuomo has somehow done well in this crisis. This despite the fact that New York has one of the highest death counts in the world, they murdered the vulnerable by sending the infected back into care homes and they paid hospitals a cash bonus for every Covid patient they had and an additional bonus for every one put on a ventilator (overuse of mechanical ventilation was later believed to be associated with a higher death rate). Still, I guess he’s a Democrat with a famous daddy so nothing else matters.
The UK Column showed this contract from the the MHRA, the government drug regulatory body – it appears it is expecting a high volume of Covid-19 vaccine adverse drug reactions when the vaccine is rolled out :
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction are missed.
https://archive.is/2JXqO
EXPECTED high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions.
Thanks for the heads up MHRA.
An honest branch of government? Quelle surprise!
Now there’s a good question: “Minister, are you expecting a high volume of Adverse Reactions among people receiving the vaccine?”
Yes everything is out in the open the days. They think they can get away with anything.
And the government is literally talking about imprisoning anyone who asks what about long term safety studies?
They’ll probably want to shoot anyone inquiring about large volume randomised double-blind tests then …
I am sure it has been suggested.
I agree with all of that. Regulatory agencies routinely receive quite a lot of adverse reaction reports relating to immunisation programs. They are bound to receive many more relating to new vaccines (including new types of vaccines) for a new pathogen. The problem lies more with the initial approval process.
The problem lies with the lies
£1.5 million contract goes to Genpact for this software:
https://www.genpact.com/cora/pharmacovigilance-pvai
Well the government won’t be able to say they weren’t prepared.
An ice cream van operator in Dorking whose cousin happens to be a Tory MP . .
The ice cream van operator would probably know more about what’s going on. As Brendan O’Neil said in his podcast this week “I don’t want to know what a group of prominent scientists think, can’t we hear from a group of prominent plumbers?”
Yes indeed, I would back the plumbers to make better sense than the corrupt government scientists, who are advising the very corrupt UK government.
UK Column generally has a quite few nuggets of information that are well worth knowing.
Yup. Highly topical, wide ranging and bleeding edge current, imho.
The gist of the UK Column piece was that volume of ADRs is expected to be so high that the their existing systems will not be able to cope. The MHRA is treating the Covid-19 vaccine roll out as an emergency, so it can by pass normal purchasing procedures. This is not normal and why casually dismiss it, as it only reinforces the other very valid points you make.
Our email to our (Tory) MP yesterday, blind copied to as many of his other constituents – of all political persuasions – as possible. (We’ve had a couple of positive comments from lefty friends though whether that’s from agreement with our attitude or kneejerk support for Tory-baiting is not clear!)
Dear xxxxxx,
Things move so fast these days! We are leaving aside for the moment our previous questions about Covid-19 policies that you have consistently failed to answer over the last months in order to concentrate on this:
The UK Government’s Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has, since 23 October, had this advertisement for tender on an online supplement to the Official Journal of the EU:-
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
Included in the text is the following;
Our new questions relate to this item. Can you confirm
a) that the UK Government is indeed expecting a high volume of Adverse Drug Reactions in the event of implementing vaccination programmes for Covid-19?
b) that you share this understanding?
c) that this advertisement has not been published in the UK (at this time of writing) for fear of provoking an ‘adverse reaction’ from the public ?
Also, in view of the indemnity against liability, for damages resulting from their product, already given to the pharmaceutical companies engaged in vaccine development can you explain how the £120,000 maximum payout from the taxpayer in the event of such damage might
d) enable appropriate lifetime care for anyone left with profound and multiple disabilities?
e) adequately compensate anyone for the death of a partner/parent/child/sibling whose life gave them meaning?
Could we ask that our own Member of Parliament answer this on his own behalf rather than handing it all over to an ‘apparatchik’ in the Cabinet Office?
Yours Sincerely
(AG & MW)
Excellent points Miriam.
Thu 12 Nov at 02:46
Berlin Senate Administration confirms uselessness of PCR tests
Published on November 11, 2020 by VG. Corona Transition
The answer to the question of a member of parliament holds political explosives – also for the federal government.
According to information from the Berliner Zeitung, the Senate Department of Health has confirmed “that PCR tests are actually not able to detect an infection in the sense of the Infection Protection Act,” as the paper reports in its online edition. This was stated in the response to an inquiry by individual member of parliament Marcel Luthe.
The Member of Parliament asked whether “a so-called PCR test is able” to “distinguish between a ‘reproducible’ and a ‘non-reproducible’ virus”, according to the Berliner Zeitung.
The Senate administration had answered with a “No”.
For Luthe, the answer was not acceptable. That is what he had said:
“It is now urgently time to act rationally and according to the rule of law again. If even the Senate has to admit that the test numbers reported daily do not indicate an infection in the sense of the law, the ordinances also lack the basis. After all, no one can currently say whether and how many infections are actually present. The tests cost immense resources, are a billion-dollar business for the manufacturers, but are “useless for fighting infections”.
Editor’s comment: The statement of the Senate Administration, which scientifically correctly attests the uselessness of the PCR test for assessing the epidemiological situation, will put pressure on Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and her Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU). For now at the latest, both would have to explain why the figures on “new infections” based on PCR tests were given the weighting that led to the lockdowns in Germany.
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The Germans are all over it aren’t they ! They are leading the way.
Angela Merkel is not a Christian. She’s a New Age Nazi.
URGENT RELEASE:
Star attorney Reiner Füllmich will sue Prof. C. Drosten and RKI President Dr. L. Wieler next week in the USA for damages in the billions
Published on November 11, 2020 by VG. Corona Transition
The US legal system allows class action lawsuits against persons in other countries.
Star attorney Reiner Füllmich, who is a member of the Corona Committee, will sue both the chief virologist of the Charité and the president of the Robert Koch Institute in the USA for damages. The lawyer said this in an interview with the Fuldaer Zeitung.
When asked against whom exactly the lawsuits would be directed, Füllmich replied:
“We are suing those who claim that the PCR test detects infections. These are above all the virologist Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten and Lothar Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute. The lawsuits also target politicians who have relied on Drosten and Wieler’s advice. In court we will ask why the politicians did not listen to other experts – for example the Nobel Prize winner and Stanford Professor John Ioannidis: According to him, the virus is much less dangerous than Drosten and the RKI claim. He has calculated that 0.14 percent of corona patients die. This means that the corona virus is no more dangerous than influenza.”
For Drosten and Wieler the lawsuit could become explosive. Because Füllmich ranks among the most renowned lawyers of the republic and as a founding member of the Corona committee among the most violent critics of the measures imposed in Germany.
He has been working as a lawyer in Germany and California for 26 years – “including as a trial lawyer against corporations such as Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen and HypoVereinsbank”, as the Fuldaer Zeitung writes.
source:
Corona lawyer Reiner Füllmich violently attacks RKI boss Lothar Wieler and Charité virologist Christian Drosten – 11 November 2020
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Thanks for the update Helen
THANK YOU!! Helen, I was wondering how this was getting on but could find nothing on the web.
Crimes Against Humanity, fraudulent PCR Tests Taken To Court –
Interview with Lawyer Reiner Füllmich
11 Nov 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYzb5_kax8&feature=youtu.be
Fraudulent PCR Tests rolled out by governments around the world.
Corrupt/bogus PCR test = Bogus Cases= Bogus Virus =Bogus Pandemic. Therefore
CORRURT BOGUS SCIENCE
Life in 2020 has been nothing short of bizarre on one level and horrific on another. How is it possible for almost the entire population of the western world including most of my friends and family have been be so easily duped by ‘THE SCIENCE’?
Cases cases cases…numbers in a vacuum ..meaningless numbers but to the duped they induced such fear and trembling that they have willingly abdicated their rights and freedoms to comply to the absurd and inconsistent government enforced measures (legal or otherwise) to ‘protect them’!
What will happen when news of the class action law suit reaches the ears of the faithful? It has already hit MSM in Germany it seems.
Will the news just rattle or indeed totally undermine their faith? .. a corrupt/bogus PCR test = Bogus Cases= Bogus Virus =. Bogus Pandemic and CORRUPT BOGUS SCIENCE and CORRUPT POLITICIANS.
Its not that difficult to connect the dots or is it?
Will they rise up and support the resistance and find curiosity and the open-mindedness to question just how this could have happened and is there a GRAND CONSPIRACY A FOOT ?
AFTER-ALL!!!
I’m glad that the logistics of the vaccine roll out are being discussed.When I mentioned this the other day everyone on here seemed to think the minus eighty thing was no big deal . I linked tot he Wail article and I note that the comments are overwhelmingly negative. This doesn’t seem to fit with what our (rigged) opinion polls are saying.
Yes Mail commenters are strongly vaccine hostile. One of the few downvoted.
‘The vaccine will not work only prayer will defeat the virus’
Prayer won’t ‘defeat’ the virus. But it may help to strengthen people’s will to defeat the evil totalitarian brutes who are exploiting the virus in order to enslave us.
Never have we more needed in our lifetimes to pray “Deliver us from evil.”
How true. We have been chosen, it seems, to be one of the generations that is confronted with evil stripped naked and bare.
Prayer has its place.
It’s wonderful isn’t it. I think the trolls have surrendered.
I assume that at minus 80 degrees C any vaccine would be frozen solid and take some time to thaw.
Apparently once defrosted it is active for five days in a normal refrigerator.
Not so bad then.
Pop it in the microwave if you’re in a hurry.
Yesterday hancock said 48 hours.
But he gets his numbers from an extremely faecal source.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/opinion/the-biggest-challenge-for-covid-19-vaccines-is-the-cold-supply-chain/
I’m reposting this from a couple of days ago – it says that the vaccine must be kept unfrozen for 1 day at 2-8 degrees, or a maximum of 2 hrs at room temperature. Obviously this is unworkable in numerous countries.
The investigations into the various vaccination programmes and how the media & government are spinning it must be our next priority,
People around me are all relieved there is a vaccine which tells me that the behavioural techniques of those in power are definitely working.
We have so much immediate work to do to undermine the propaganda.
Apparently Iceland are mooted to be getting the distribution contract
Please no – I have given up buying ice cream from Iceland as it is always semi-liquid due to inappropriate temperature control.
listening to Today R4 they had people voicing concern- what escaped me was this vaccine alters DNA. Is that correct?
It doesn’t alter DNA.
There are a lot of medical experts that have said that but they are all being censored. I posted about it earlier.
Local Live
Most prominent story.
School has 100 students at home because of covid.
Turns out 100 pupils are at home because they were on a school bus from which a single child has tested positive+.
We all know that this is meaningless but they don’t report that several key frontline workers will have to stay home to look after them.
Third hand Covid.
100 pupils on a bus? Do you (or the writer) mean ONE bus? This doesn’t make sense. But then, nothing about this virus makes sense.
At my school two bus loads are currently off, my daughter being one of them. Two pupils on two separate buses decided to get PCR tests so they could disrupt education for everyone else. The class bubbles of the positive PCR pupils are also off.
Excellent! It’s going well isn’t it?
They probably quarantined any who had been on that bus anytime that day.
Third hand Long Covid.
DJAustin, In response to your post from yesterday.
Sweden may well have seen a doubling every 10 days, but to the grand total of 55 people entering ICU for week 44, that’s 8 per day, in a country of 11.5 million. Yes, that’s pretty much what I’d expect for a country with significant immunity, in fact lower than I would have expected – did you not look at what the absolute size of the figures was before posting?
As regards the claim that the Swedes all socially distanced and were basically the same as other countries, that is simply not the case – see article below: they have reduced their movement but by 10-20%, nothing like what happened to us in Lockdown.
https://press.telia.se/pressreleases/svenskarnas-resande-tillbaka-paa-februarinivaaer-3004842
Even if what you say were correct, which it clearly isn’t , then that’s still massively preferable to enforced national house imprisonment to achieve pretty much the same thing – at least we must be able to agree on that ?
As regards yesterday’s excess death figures for week 44, this was running at 1,000 per week, or 140 per day, which compares to the supposed COVID deaths for that week of 1,800 (John Hopkins/ Worldometer). However excess deaths increased by
4,600 from August to September (-2060 to 2568) and in September there were only around 700 deaths where there had been a positive test in the last 28 days, so what are these excess deaths ? – some will be COVID, but a huge number are obviously deaths from other causes because of the government scare campaign and the negligence of the NHS, especially now that they are devoting their resources to relatively pointless vaccinations. In my personal experience I know of hardly anybody who has been ill from COVID in the so-called ‘second wave’ but have heard of quite a few premature deaths from other causes.
You keep on predicting London deaths will increase. You now say that deaths will grow to 20-25% nationally above mean by Christmas. Can we look at the facts, and not alarmist predictions. There was no evidence that we were going to get higher levels of admissions and deaths before Christmas – the King’s College figures peaked before lockdown, and as I’ve shown you so many times the lockdown had very little effect (you still haven’t given a meaningful answer about Sweden although I accept you have tried but pretty unconvincingly). So are you now saying that we should have stuck to the tiers ? Why would they work when lockdown clearly doesn’t ?
I applaud your attempts to reason with such people, but it’s a lost cause. For me, one of the biggest ‘philosophical’ problems with them is that they talk about ‘deaths’ as though a 90-year old succumbing to some illness or other is no different from a healthy 40-year old committing suicide or being beaten to death by a crazed Leftist rioter. The dual meaning of the word ‘death’ is being exploited cynically:
People like DJ Austin do not distinguish between the two categories. Any intelligent person can see that Covid ‘deaths’ are overwhelmingly category (1) and that policies to avert (1) will result in huge numbers of (2) – probably even more numerically than the number of (1) that would have occurred if we hadn’t bothered.
The problem is that appreciating this requires a person to hold ideas with several dimensions in their head at the same time. This is simply beyond midwits who have been seduced by ‘data’.
Your observations are to the point. They talk about the vaccine similarly as though it’s the polio vaccine protecting the healthy from a horrible disease. This vaccine’s effects could be best summed up as “we want you to suffer for a few months longer and die of septicaemia rather than a respiratory disease”.
Not the polio vaccine spreading SV40 though, with concomitant cancers for the rest of people’s lives ?
‘Midwits’. Useful word that, I must remember it. Presumably someone who is neither stupid nor particularly bright ?
I recommend this great video on the subject from Edward Dutton, who I think coined this term
https://youtu.be/byb3ffrBYgU
Your dual classification of deaths is an excellent and simple concept which all of us (sceptics) can use. Of course there are intermediate categories where someone might still have some worthwhile life ahead of them but fall victim to an illness which may prove fatal. But most deaths attributed to covid appear to be in your category 1.
I was giving some thought to this earlier in the week, and settled on the distinction of avoidable and unavoidable deaths, on the terms you described.
An unavoidable death is one caused by disease, organ failure or straightforward old age. In other words, ‘natural causes’. An avoidable death is one that occurs as a direct consequence of human action. While some life-threatening conditions are treatable, they’ll get you in the end no matter what.
We are being forced to avoid the unavoidable, while positively inviting the easily avoidable.
That is spot on…I find the same thing with the zealots…they love screaming about deaths deaths deaths and get very angry and emotional about it. Its partly a tactic to get you to back down as you don’t want to be labelled as callous. You have to take a deep breath and calmly point out that some deaths are more equal than others. Perhaps it would be more useful to talk about ‘life years’ rather than lives…after all thats what all cost benefit studies in health care projects do. Somehow though that has been lost in all this and it benefits the lockdown fanatics.
Excellent post, Laurence.
https://www.ft.com/content/1e0ac31d-5abf-4a18-ab3e-eec9744a4d31
Tegnel claims immunity is a mystery. Sweden’s top virologist states that the immunity project has failed. Sweden is not exceptional other than it showed a slower decline due to less severe social distancing from April, and a more rapid increase for the same reason since September. Immunity is not protecting Sweden at the moment relative to their neighbors, nor the rest of Europe. Explain?
All-cause mortality will rise to 20-25% above 10-year mean by Christmas. That is not alarmist. It is currently 15% above the 10-year mean, and 700 above previous max (10.8k vs. 10.1k /week). Those are the facts I am afraid, you are welcome to peruse the data here
ONS report 5 year but have the full 10 years on that webpage. In April mortality was 100% above historic 10-year mean.
Tier and lockdown2 will prevent further transmission, hospitalisations and mortality rises in London and the SE. It will reduce hospitalisations and deaths in the NE and NW. Restrictions showed impressive effects in Northern Ireland and Scotland during their school holidays. Once Lockdown is ended, transmission will start to rise again but be Tier-dependent. That it starts from a low level is good news. It’s a fairly simple dynamic system. Whether Tier 3 can control spread completely is still debateable. Tier 1 does not prevent spread.
So in Sweden deaths are very low, ICU rates are very low, hospitalisations are low but rising quickly based on positive tests which we know are highly unreliable, a critic of the system still criticises the system. Compelling story !
Meanwhile in the UK: August excess deaths -2060 Covid deaths 482, September + 2568 and 690. October (4 weeks to 30/10) 2788 and 3465. All ONS figures and show no significant correlation between COVID deaths and excess deaths.
The governmnet deliberately extended the lockdown to coincide with the beginning of the flu season.
Thanks Lockdown Sceptics for keeping me sane for the last few crazy months.
But a boring off topic lead story, shit loads of ads and increasingly zany below the line conspiracy theory – it’s time for me to leave.
I’m sure I won’t be missed.
But seriously, through the early months of the pandemic this place was extremely important.
If I may leave on this note: the societal response to a nothing special new virus has been textbook mass hysteria.
It’s been myopic, western centric, class based, highly irrational and morally repugnant.
It’s undoubtedly led to more death and suffering than had we just quarantined the sick (insofar as possible), protected the highly vulnerable (insofar as possible) and just let everyone else crack on. Just like we always have when these things come along.
On most of that we all agree.
But whilst I’m sure powerful forces will opportunistically use the situation to further their agendas (why wouldn’t they?), I find all this conspiracy theory implausible.
So I’ll leave you to it.
Bye
In the quotes section of this newsletter it says;
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
In my view this is the site for those who are coming to their senses one by one, it is a major step to break away from the herd and so to me it is not surprising that a site representing such people will have a range of strong views which they had to have to break away from the herd. I do not agree with some comments, i find some comments too dense and technical, but as happened yesterday, I am in my own small way trying to challenge the hysteria and I find this site useful and great in testing out some of my thoughts and ideas and garnering counter-arguments to objections that are raised with me.
And so on balance this site is doing a good job of spearheading some sort of united response to all this virus hoo-haa and nonsense. With this site there is just some chance i might help to make a change, if I left this site all I would do is go off and fume in my wood-shed and achieve nothing.
As to adverts, it is simply a question of how do you finance what is in effect a free daily newspaper? If we had all contributed twice as much we may not need adds. But at is ‘someone has to pay the price’. I hate the adds on Talk Radio but I still listen as I have no idea how else it could be funded.
What were you doing yesterday?
Attempting to counter some of the arguments raised by some of the lock-down enthusiasts who were raising adverse comments and objections to the setting up of the Covid Recovery group of MPs.
When we have a government and a scientific group who are clearly lying to the public and have so much disdain for the public, trust will be lost and all kinds of theories about what is going on will naturally be put forward, why wouldn’t they, in an attempt to make sense of what is happening.
I am so grateful that Toby took the risk to set up this site and for all the information and kindness everyone here has shown. I too would have been lost without the support of this site.
For the same reason I view short ads on YouTube that don’t actually offend me as they fund the host to a small degree.
What can be implausible about the concept of a cartel of powerful people?. Nothing new about that. Anyway carry on finding ways to keep people out of masking mania.
It’s not as if we can’t point to examples in the recent past where entire societies became brutally ‘locked down’ for decades, victims of ideology; where any rational person would have decided that the price for chasing this ideological perfection was way too high, but it happened nevertheless.
It’s getting harder and harder to come up with any other conclusion.
You’ve asked some good questions on this site. One of the problems on here is that too few people ask difficult questions which challenge the lockdown sceptic narrative.
Your paragraphs 3 to 6 above demonstrate a clarity of thought which is increasingly missing here.
I’m not one for conspiracy theories either. But this site is not pushing any particular theory, nor is it trying to persecute and silence those who disagree with any particular idea.
Truth will out, if debate continues. If you leave, the debate is impoverished.
Sorry to see you go, JonG. Understand and agree with what you say – it does feel like fighting a war on two fronts sometimes! Wish you well, and hope you change your mind. All the best mate.
“But whilst I’m sure powerful forces will opportunistically use the situation to further their agendas (why wouldn’t they?), I find all this conspiracy theory implausible.”
You contradict yourself.
‘Powerul forces’ ‘pushing agendas’ is by definition a conspiracy, whether opportunistic or not.
I didn’t say that, but since you addressed it to me…
Agenda: things to be done; programme of business (eg manifesto)
OPEN
Conspiracy: banding together for a purpose, often secret, often unlawful; a plot
SECRET
Just sayin’.
Must be awful for you, the company of us plebs. Hope you find a place totally in lockstep with you where you can have absolute control.
Why would anyone announce leaving this site/forum?
Seems like attention seeking stomping off.
It’s called a public flounce. And yes, that’s essentially what it is. “You’re wrong, I’m right, I’m leaving, so there”. Not exactly a tolerant attitude is it. United we stand, divided we fall. It’s just more divisive bullshit.
There’s no reason to leave if you don’t want to .I for one totally agree with you and am not into the conspiracy stuff . If you don’t agree with certain people just ignore them or if you think they’re mental and working against the anti lockdown cause you have a choice either argue it out or move on .Just stick to the topics you feel are important .
I’ve enjoyed your debate Jon G.
“He is worried that they will use the new vaccine news as a “carrot” to keep us locked down for the next three months”
Yep.
I think I could deal with a carrot lock.
Not sure the public will buy that one.
Some doctors have claimed that the new mRNA vaccines , which includes the corona vaccines and haven’t been used before, will alter our DNA. All the articles and videos I had seen previously have now been removed, and the “fact approved” sources take great pains to explain we are not being genetically modified.
From Harvard:
In the case of DNA- or RNA-based vaccines, no antigen is introduced, only the RNA or DNA containing the genetic information to produce the antigen. That is, for this specific class of vaccines, introduction of DNA and RNA provides the instructions to the body to produce the antigen itself .They can be injected in various ways and then they can enter our body’s cells. Those cells will use the RNA sequence of the antigen to synthesize the protein.
So this witches brew of foreign DNA is going to synthesise with my own cells. Yeah, no thanks.
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/rna-vaccines-a-novel-technology-to-prevent-and-treat-disease/
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Isn’t that what viruses do though? It’s nothing new.
That said, I wouldn’t be jumping to get in the queue for it either. Certainly not for a virus that is hardly likely to harm me.
That might be like saying genetically modifying a tomato with the genes of rats is the same as conventional cross breeding plants. I am not sure because I am not a doctor, I can only say there are many medical experts saying that these vaccines alter our dna. What is new is that these experts are being silenced – debate is prohibited.
Imagine that being injected into a frail 85-year-old.
I know.
And the risks outweigh any potential benefit. For the three vaccine front runners , a vaccine could meet the companies’ benchmark for success if it lowered the risk of mild Covid-19, but was never shown to reduce moderate or severe forms of the disease, or the risk of hospitalization, admissions to the intensive care unit or death.
Correct. The messenger RNA (mRNA) gives instructions to the DNA in your body until the day you die. You cannot detox / remove this instruction. They do not know what these instructions could do to the body. We are all different and our bodies react differently resulting in different outcomes over different periods of time. Some people might be ok, some might develop autoimmune diseases or other illnesses or some might die.
Always do independent research before you decide to take a vaccine or a prescribed drug and then make an informed decision to take it or not
Nothing to see here…
https://www.cshl.edu/the-non-human-living-inside-of-you/
Urgent request to techies.
Reiner Fuellmich’s videos and transcripts are being cleared off the internet. Please download, backup, save or whatever you clever people do.
To save ourselves from what we face we need all to work at the grass roots..
..plus the lawyers need to take it on at the top. Fuellmich is taking the lead. Please view his work and spread the word.
Please read series of posts from Helen below to learn more
It’s no surprise. He’s taking legal action against Drosten, that’s bound to poke the nest.
They would give the Borgias a run for their money (hope I’ve spelt Borgias correctly)
For every drop of blood the Borgias may have had on their hands (taking account of five centuries of scandalmongering), our Fascist tyrants have a gallon.
“…….our Fascist tyrants have a gallon.” And so much more blood on the way.
The campaign to make the vaccine de facto mandatory is getting under way. From Tom Harwood:
“This is reasonable – by all means refuse the vaccine, but if you do with no valid exemption then don’t expect the same access to state run services. Including schools or the NHS.”
This guy might be a nobody for all I know (I’m Australian), but I expect many others will say the same thing.
They are, all over the world. We have to unite to challenge this.
They are all nobody’s trying to run the life of somebody. Parasites
I can’t believe it! I thought this bloke’s USP was that he was supposed to be a young libertarian. Like Liddle and Phillips, people you thought you understood come out with the most unexpected drivel.
Under every self proclaimed Libertarian is a fascist in waiting!
Err, bollocks.
Yes Melanie Phillips has been awful….yet she has the cheek to talk about dodgy science and the abandonment of reason. Seems like she has gone back to her old pals who once banned her from lunch outings. Will they have her back though? I have long been dubious of the label ‘libertarian’…I dont think its a serious political position. Under pressure it bursts…it has no real philosophical grounding.
The idea that one needs a ‘valid exemption’ to justify refusal of something that is supposedly voluntary shows just how perverted thinking on these issues has become.
Cool, those of us that have a brain, won’t be paying for these services
Absolutely. I look forward to a reduction in my National Insurance contributions and income tax.
I think the argument will be along the lines that you need a yellow fever certificate to travel to/from certain countries so what’s the difference?
I can understand it for international travel to countries where this will be mandated, but it is still a matter for choice.
I paid N. I. contributions for longer than he has been drawing breath! He can F. O.
That’s all fine. Don’t tax me for it and I won’t use it. The NHS is not free. It’s a paid for service.
If that’s the case, can I get a refund? Especially with National Insurance as anyone with a brain knows that’s nothing but a Ponzi scheme.
Tom Harwood looks about 12. The arrogance of youth seems to make him believe what he has to say is important. Twat.
Who cares what he has to say…has he started shaving yet? He makes Owen Jones look mature.
He obviously has not noticed that most state run services have banned access to them lately anyway….how many operations have been postponed indefinitely, how many kids are ‘self isolating’ off school…how many police are unable to attend a burglary due to ‘lack of resources’ etc.
Well for nothing, it was said very well.
Pathologist: ‘Mass testing in Liverpool shows testing we have had has failed.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk
A consultant pathologist has told talkRADIO the mass testing of Liverpool has proven the original coronavirus tests “failed.”
Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Clare Craig said she was initially against the idea of mass testing, but “what’s happened in Liverpool has completely turned the tables.”
Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson has said more than 44,000 people have taken part in the city’s mass coronavirus testing pilot, which began on Friday. Dr Craig says only 0.5% of those testing were found to be positive.
“What that means is we have a really good test at showing who has definite Covid. It has shown up the testing that we’ve had to have failed.
“Mass testing the whole of Liverpool is not the key.
“We need to be re-testing people who have been misdiagnosed and get the diagnosis right.”
I’m still wondering if I’m correct in remembering that we were once told the order of priority for a Covid vaccine would be in order of necessity first (ie younger people – because they are more likely to still be working and/or still bringing up children) and then working up to older people later? If my memory serves me aright on this – then I wonder why it’s now due to be done in order of oldest first and then working down the agegroups. Though, of course, we are well aware that older peoples income is likely to be pensions and older people are more likely to need healthcare generally (and therefore might be regarded by some as “useless eaters”). If my memory is right that the order of priorities for receipt of the vaccine has been changed from “most useful first” to “eldest first” then that makes me even more suspicious of the vaccine than I was. (NB: I say this as someone that is deemed to be in current tranche 5, the 65-69 agegroup and my own income comes from pension these days).
Unless there’s strong evidence to the contrary it seems pointless giving it to the young as I do not believe there was any measurement of how much it reduced the infectiousness of the vaccinated. If it doesn’t, why bother? The young don’t need it and the unhealthy old probably shouldn’t have it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination
This Vaccines Committee order of priority is dated 25 Sept. Interested to know if you, or anyone, recall an earlier version saying the opposite of what they now advise?
They also say that no cost benefit analysis enters into the priorities – on the rather odd grounds that the pandemic emergency is too urgent to do so. The priorities appear similar to flu, i.e.on grounds of susceptibility to bad outcomes not utility to society.
The MSM more and more is “tweaking”the facts to suit their narrative.
TV news reported on a 79 year old man who died WITH Covid and it was reported that he was overweight, had type 2 diabetes and suffered from asthma.
Pictures of this gentleman suggested that he was very overweight (obese?)
According to the report he lived life to the full being a member of a rock tribute band and also a biker, a life truly “lived to the full”
My sincere condolences to his family for the loss of a husband and father and I have made these comments with the greatest respect and to have had such an obviously much loved man in your family must be a great comfort.
Any other time the MSM would have used this story to warn against the dangers of being overweight and the associated problems such as diabetes; if people think I am being disrespectful, I am definitely not, I just want the MSM not to “fashion” a sad story to push their views.
And in other news, reports are coming in that a 79 year old man has died. This marks the first time a man aged 79 has ever died and scientists are concerned that this could indicate that men, and perhaps even women, over the age of 78 may, in fact, die.
We’ll now go live to our Health Correspondent, Fiona Appleshape. Fiona, this death seems to have confounded some of the public health experts, what possible explanation for it have they come up with?
Thank you for your support, Mark, I agonized for quite a while before I posted it, as I didn’t want it to appear as if I was disrespectful.
Don’t worry about it FP. You and many other posters on this site demonstrate very clearly the humanity that those who rule our lives are lacking.
Thank you, Charley.
You were not being at all disrespectful. Its the MSN that is doing that by using the case to push their evil narrative. Keep doing what you are doing!
She is a plant and normally wouldn’t give the fat slob a second glance
Latest from The Bernician. Should stir up the ‘nest of vipers’.
COVID-1984 UPDATE |11-11-20COVID-1984 PCP UPDATE | At 11:11 pm on the 11th day of the 11th month, charges of criminal fraud by non-disclosure were laid against the secretary of state for mandatory vaxxtermination.
He has been charged with knowingly failing to disclose to MPs that the fake government lurgy was reclassified as not being a Highly Contagious Infectious Disease, before they voted on the treacherous Coronavirus Act 2020.
Had he done so, there can be no doubt in the mind of any reasonable individual there would have been no possible justification for its enactment.
HCID. Yes, our MP admitted to us that he wasn’t aware that this had happened.
Margaret, as many of us said to you the other day it was his job to find out. He draws a high enough salary and was negligent, as are all the others, to not look into this himself. I’m pretty sure his post bag had a lot of indicators in it but he’s chose to just consume the information the Secretary of State deemed to give him.
Totally agree Steph. I was actually quite shocked by how little he, and presumably other MPs, knew about SARS-COVID 2.
I had been writing to him for months with facts and figures including the HCID information.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
Ignorance of facts is not a valid legal excuse ……
Why wasn’t he aware ? we have been for months.
I feel wary about the claims made at the Bernician. Didn’t they state that 10 MPs had resigned some weeks ago in fear of the action they said they would be taking? Would that not have come out by now if true?
Yes, I understand your reservations, but on the plus side he seems to have gained a lot of credibility through his mortgage fraud work. We will soon know whether it is all ‘smoke and mirrors’ in which case his credibility will disappear overnight. On the other hand ….
Amazing that he didn’t know, unless he’s lying, again
The consequence of designation as an HCID, such as Ebola, is that all patients must be transferred to and treated in (from memory) one of only 2 hospitals in England, in London and Newcastle. The other nations have one designated hospital each.
Presumably this was recognised to be impractical as Covid patient numbers went up. Presumably also it was decided that the illness could be treated in most hospitals if appropriate PPE was used. I don’t know, I’m not a doctor.
Does the Bernician know this? The information is on the gov website.
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1326568317319000064?s=20
It’s uplifting to realise amidst all the nonsense there are such wonderful human beings that we can look up to like the Irish doctor Dr Marcus De Brun. Below is a link to the video (Un)Masking the truth with Dr Marcus De Brun
Dr Marcus DeBrun (GP), resigned from the IMC following the complete neglect by the HSE, our government and NPHET to adequately provide for the care of the elderly in Irish nursing homes during the early days of the Covid19 crisis. He felt his only option to raise awareness, was to speak out publicly at a Health Freedom Ireland Rally in August 2020. He paid a high price for listening to his conscience and telling the TRUTH. Listen to his story here and see the doctor and the man behind the story. It’s very insightful piece into how truth telling is not viewed favourably in this country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk&feature=youtu.be
A man of integrity. So vanishingly rare, so precious.
Hopefully there will come a time soon when such people are recognised.
Re. your first point: every time ‘protecting the vulnerable’ is written or spoken my heart sinks and I think, well that translates into care home and hospital rules regarding visits will continue.
So the healthy asymptomatic will be tested and those suffering serious health problems will continue to to be denied access/treatment to medical services? I am lost for words.
“https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8933375/Mass-Covid-testing-scheme-Liverpool-rolled-66-authorities.html.” and
”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines
And the Grauniad zombies applaud loudly, I presume.
The difficulties with zero C-19 policy in summer NZ. One new case without contact in the community working in a dep store (with mask).Another in the community connected with MoD outbreak connected with isolation facility. Reconsidering an Auckland lockdown?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-two-new-community-cases-say-chris-hipkins-and-ashley-bloomfield/55ZLD4ETLFJGY3YUQRHV6W43KE/?ref=readmore
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-co-owner-of-store-where-new-case-works-says-ministry-has-it-wrong-as-goff-goes-on-attack/BNDW6PVIMUQRQAJ6Q7Y5QR3DGA/
https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1326767789529509891
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/fresh-covid-outbreak-in-new-zealand-as-auckland-university-of-technology-student-tests-positive-c-1566556
“Panic never helps with COVID-19. We’re still in the very early stages of this case investigation,”(Dr Bloomfield)
The new case, a woman aged between 20 and 29, became symptomatic on the morning of November 9 and was tested on the 10th.
The positive test was confirmed this morning and the woman has been moved to quarantine today.
Health officials are going through the woman’s movements to contact trace and try to ascertain the source of the infection.
The woman lives alone, has limited community outings and is a student at AUT but hasn’t been to classes since mid-October so there isn’t a concern of transmission on campus.
She works at the A-Z Collections store in High St. The individual went to work at A-Z Collection clothing store in High Street, Central Auckland from Sunday 8 November to Wednesday 11 November in a customer facing role, as a shop assistant. They were wearing a mask while working
Director general of health Ashley Bloomfield said officials were “urgently working” to work out where the woman was infected and are doing genome testing.
New Zealand also recorded a second community case on Thursday in Wellington, an already-isolating close contact of a defence force worker with links to a quarantine facility.
Bloomfield said he didn’t want to pass judgment on the woman who got the test but then didn’t stay home and didn’t have information on whether she was advised to stay home.
They look more like guys from a Soviet Show trial! Anyhow, If you all get a second, please give our podcast a try. Recorded a new episode yesterday. Should be out over the weekend!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
Boris is “feeble, ineffectual and pathetic” at 55. What will he be like at 75?
Like Biden
Gone?
Don’t worry, Walpole was the last PM to be in office 20+ years.
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/11/lockdowns-make-time-stand-still/ Lockdowns Make Time Stand Still
Quite a good article worth a read about the futility of our approach
Anyone here worried that the ‘Overton Window’ of liberty is shifting? That we are forgetting the old normal, and effectively ‘starting from here’ when we argue against government policies?
‘Are we allowed to visit our friends this week?’ was an amazing novelty six months ago, but is now the default position. Even we at LS may gradually forget that there was once a time when you could just walk about, going into shops and pubs without fear, inconvenience, humiliation, physical discomfort.
The government has been amazingly tenacious in its policies to ruin our lives and, whether deliberate or not, they have opened a Pandora’s box of crazy, stunted, pygmy zealots who always hated their fellow human beings and are now being given the chance to wreak their revenge.
‘Hope’ remained in Pandora’s box after it was opened.
Yes, very worried about that. This has already gone on far too long for most people to spring back naturally into old habits even if the opportunity to do so we’re there (which I no longer believe it will be). Far too many people seem to see themselves as leaves blowing on the wind and to see free will as a distasteful notion that involves far too much personal responsibility.
As a fellow Telford resident have you seen these awful mobile electronic signs the council have been putting on all the major roads saying ‘stay home…essential travel only’ What kind of big brother bullying is this? Its hard to believe my council tax money is being spent on such hectoring twaddle. Since when did some useless council get to decide if my journey was important or not?
Yes, I’d advocate keeping a list of all the corporations who are putting masked characters in their adverts so we can boycott
but it’s turning out to be them all! Particularly egregious to me are the cute Christmas ones.
The other night there was a new air ambulance programme on the box from Cornwall. Attending to an elderly chap who had fallen down a cliff in Cornwall and with suspected stroke. Lying there confused with a face mask on and all the attendants similarly. I know NHS insist on masks for all but this looked totally inappropriate.
Here it is. The pro-muzzle propaganda begins at 14s.
The ad was made by Publicis.
looks ridculous
“Our role is to help our clients Lead the Change in their businesses by being their preferred creative partner for their own marketing transformation.”
“Our role is to help our clients Lead the Change in their businesses by being their preferred creative partner for their own marketing transformation.”
Arthur Sadoun
CEO PUBLICIS WORLDWIDE
And what the fuck is “mum” doing putting her hand over her mask? Because she has now just transferred whatever shit was on the mask to the child. FFS.
Made me puke. So many embedded references, brainwashing. Despicable.
Ignorance is strength, indeed.
Yes I remember that one. Had a complete meltdown when I saw it. No words were too foul and no volume level too high when it came to expressing my feelings about what that vile creature was doing to that poor child, and encouraging others to do the same.
My other half was horrified at my response. Personally I think it was entirely appropriate and proportionate
My OH is often horrified….she just says chill out…I wish it was that easy.
Best thing to do is minimise all contact with corporations anyway, eg:
Great advice ….I do some of those already but thanks!
The rot has gone too far. Fully 80% of our fellow-citizens are now irreparably psychologically damaged and can be written off.
Survival of the fittest, mentally that is?
Agreed.
Correct, I have been saying this for months. Can’t help anybody that does not want to help themselves. I for one I’m done trying to convince people, Ignorance is bliss and long may they enjoy it.
They’ve bought it on themselves; no Sympathy whatsoever.
Trouble is – they have also brought upon the rest of us.
I have given up too…I just see them as cult members/collaborators…and that includes some of my own family. I certainly have no desire to see them at Christmas!
We need a new planet to escape to…I just find I enjoy the company of animals more than most people these days. If you have them as neighbours they dont grass on you either.
I think you’ve got to try and separate the public message from what is actually happening on the ground. All I see is people carrying on with their lives the best they can. A small percentage are sticking to all of the rules and a larger proportion are just plain hypocrites.
Well,I ignore it and carry on as normal. (Not “old normal” btw, just normal)
Nobody I know is paying it the slightest attention, visiting friends and family with what used to be called gay abandon.
I would imagine that a fair amount of ‘gay abandon’ is also being practiced with ‘gay abandon’ at the moment.
Andy Burnham being tortured by Julia on TalkRadio.. he is one heck of a thicko.
That’s an insult to a thicko.
Carrie Symonds works for Oceana.. a Rockerfeller entity.
Would you know it. So many of these people are just feeding from the same bowl.
Yes she is a fully paid up ‘great reset’ supporter. She is partly why Johnson is now beyond hope and beyond contempt.
Anyone have a little house for rent.. I will love it, paint it.. fix anything that ever goes wrong. My landlady might be made redundant cos of covid…
Hi Chaos. I might know of something coming up soon – East Anglia – if that is any good to you.
Mass testing to be rolled out in 67 local authorities, following the successful trial in Thickpool.
Does the army have sufficient resources; tanks, APCs and the like? What about the billeting of troops in local hotels, some now full of asylumites? Prepare to throw open your homes to support the war effort.
You what ?
Hang about! scousers may think they invented popular music, comedy and footy.. but thick ? no way.
We may not have invented them, but we’ve definitely taken all three to previously unattained heights.
I know it’s the daily mail and can’t necessarily be trusted but this concept of a freedom pass for those who test negative terrifies me.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940421/The-daily-5-Covid-19-test-result-15-minutes-key-opening-venues.html
Don’t worry, a community of non compliant freedom lovers will welcome you and your family.
Listen, stand your guard against these threats. Such articles are gaslighting at this point.
2020, Year of the Living Dead.
If it is to have any meaning it will need to be time limited. A negative test is valid only until the bearer meets another person.
Don’t be terrified, organize!
If this is all true, historians of the future will be mentioning Carrie Symonds in the same breath as the Dowager Empress Ci Xi of China – Machiavellian, presiding over a corrupt court, exerting influence behind the curtain, etc, etc.
I didn’t vote for her so what the feck is she doing? If she wants to exert power and influence then stand for public office and have your policies held up to scrutiny.
In the end this doesn’t really surprise me as there has long been rumours of corruption swirling about Number 10 and Johnson himself. But what is clear is that this whole “scamdemic” reeks of corrupton not just emanating from Downing Street but also includes Westminster, the devolved governments and local authorities.
Carrie Symonds is an avid enviromentalist too and is bending Johnsons ear on many things, She needs to butt out, it has nothing to do with her – this is a disaster waiting to happen. Well I suppose the disaster has already happened so it could be a good thing that it is all crumbling – something needs to happen. Many MPs dont like Cummings so they would be glad of his departure – will the CRG gain momentum and overthrow all this nonsense that is crippling our country and the upcoming dodgy vaccine may well cripple our people literally – ooops sorry it will be a criminal offence soon to speak out about vaccines.
Bozo needs to tell her to butt out, or at least have the nous to listen to his partner’s views but make his own decisions. It’s too easy to blame the woman. Why let him off the hook? If a CEO runs their company into the ground that is their responsibility. If they are too weak to separate their professional and private life they need to go.
And of course having a baby also can cloud one’s personal judgement and we’re seeing a lot of that with the government’s insane policies and diktat which follows that abomination of “if it saves one life…..”
Despite the continuing barrage of bad news, I feel that the tide is turning as more and more people are waking up to the economic and social cost of all this. We have to stand tall and strong in order to resist the coming onslaught.
or the coming damp squib, too, presumably ?
… is portrayed as an avid enviromentalist.
Another day in hell begins. I can’t decide whether to be pleased about the turmoil in no 10 or not. On the one hand surely the house of cards is close to tumbling. On the other I fear they will inflict a lot more pain before they go.
Please, Sir Graham, rid us of the turbulent prick.
Unfortunately, Sir Graham is another turbulent prick who fancied himself for the leadership.
I think he knows that Boris has brought the Conservative party to its knees. He must also have close the the right number of letters in the drawer by now, surely? Frankly I don’t care if the motive to dislodge Boris is selfish, so long as it’s done and sharpish.
What a thoroughly weak and useless PM, words fail me.
I know, I thought May was the worst PM in recent years even including Gordon Brown and then we get this idiot!
It seems Carrie Symonds runs the country along with Bill Gates.
She may think she does. I suspect it’s temporary and will end quite unpleasantly for Mr and Mrs Symonds
it’s worrying when the people at the top resemble Right Said Fred
If only it were Right Said Fred, given they are lockdown skeptics who attended the 26th September London protest
New anti-lockdown song out soon We’re all Criminals
https://www.rightsaidfred.com/
wow, i learn something new everyday here !
Deeply Dippy was a good tune…
thanks for that-I certainly did them a disservice
Ha ha. It made me laugh that you said that given their skepticism!
They’re too sexy for your livlihood.
I know so many people suffering.. I also know those who the response to covid has barely touched… 2020.. the year that Boris and Carrie became our king and queen.
There is one queen in this United Kingdom and commonwealth. Unfortunately she really can’t intervene but I’d love to know what she’s thinking and what happens in the weekly audience.
I’m sure the disapproving look is a bit difficult to convey by phone. Unless it’s zoom.
Charlie is no help either, he seemed to think the reset was about talking to more trees and losing the plastic bags.
Yes, he’s a fool and sadly too old to learn. Not a pleasant prospect.
His sons are not much better either.
Would rather have Princess Anne or the Wessexes.
I’ve decided the Royal Family are a waste of space. Seeing them masked up for Remembrance Sunday was the last straw.
They gimped up for Remembrance, how laughable. Did they have to breach social distancing for more than 15 minutes in a right and enclosed space ? No. So why the masks ?
The one with the Queen was unnecessary and someone should be reprimanded for that because it sent out the wrong message. As for Charles and Camilla, couldn’t understand what they were saying so switched off.
I have never understood a word of what he said, but that is because most of it is non-scientific gibberish.
Completely agree. Didn’t the Queen’s own mother tour bomb sites during the blitz?
Where is the example, and fortitude?
Exactly. Her Majesty should have refused the muzzle and say that she’s going without one and if they complain they can go and take a hike.
I suspect if this was Phil, he wouldn’t go along with this rubbish,
hope they scanned their flippin QR code for the T&T!
Just wait until ‘reset’ Charles is King!
If Charles is a pro masker then he has lost any rights to a view on the environment. How many single use non recyclable face coverings are thrown away every day now worldwide ?
It’s preposterous. Don’t here Greta and the XR mob talking about this much do we ?
Self-styled environmentalists are always silent about littering and don’t seem to be aware that muzzles and gloves are more of an environmental hazard than single use plastics.
Not only single use but very short term use, need to be replaced frequently (if you believe any of the rubbish talked about them).
In 1975 the governor-general of Australia, the Queen’s representative. dismissed the elected head of government Gough Whitlam.
Can be done.
Interesting. On what grounds?
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-the-forgotten-coup-against-the-most-loyal-ally,13968
AG
I am disappointed in the Queen’s apparent lack of intervention. I know the argument about staying out of politics, constitutional crisis etc, but these are unprecedented times and hard fought freedoms have been removed on the basis of a lie. Our situation is worse than any constitutional crisis I can think of.
I would like to think she has tried to influence things behind the scenes, but there is no evidence of that.
In my dreams she goes on TV and broadcasts to the nation to announce that the covid hysteria is nothing more than that and she has asked the army to remove the government by force, with new elections in the Spring.
No government can indemnify themselves or anyone else against unlawful acts
The indemnities granted to the vaccines companies are not worth the paper they are written on
All the players in this will have been advised of this by their lawyers
They will have been told the buck stops with any person who authorises the vaccines use
This particular buck will be going round in circles for a long time before it finally disappears up someone’s backside
How does it work now then? As far as I know government here and the US pick up the tab for compensation claims due to vaccines. Think it was £50m a year off the top of my head for the UK
In other words the taxpayers
Poor Johnson, in a race against time to get the vaccine pumped out before the rona disappears naturally. From the start the vaccine has been Johnson’s escape route. Now it looks like countless millions of pounds will have been spaffed on a vaccine that – apart from any other considerations – will be manifestly redundant before it can be distributed.
Worth bearing in mind the purpose of this rushed vaccine for a moderately dangerous disease. It allows Johnson to claim he has saved us (rather than killed all the victims of lockdown for nothing). Hence the need for mass uptake – the narrative has to be at least credible. But it’s more than that. It’s a further ritual act of submission demanded from the people. It gives the message, physically jabbed into your arm: “It doesn’t matter how much we fuck up. We’re still on top and you’re still the shit on our shoes. We can do what we like, and you must comply.” The vaccine, like the gimp gag, is just about showing the proles who’s boss.
But if Covid disappears, totally, of its own accord, the regime and its supporters undeniably look a bit silly.
I was looking forward to the jab of hope this winter.
They may as well give out a placebo for the fearful. I don’t know how else we manage to break them out of their self made prison at this point
Excellent summary. The end game was always the vaccine, and Boris signed the UK population up as the giant Phase III clinical trial to appease the NWO. It is clearly disappearing rapidly if the Zoe App is to be believed – it seems to have spotted things such as loss of taste and smell much quicker than any SAGE ‘scientist’. I still think Boris will be out at the end of the year. The new Tory backbench revolt is at 70 – 10 more and the threat of a vote of no confidence is not just possible but an almost certainty. Boris is about to do a runner with his latest mistress!
Unless he sacks Cummings, which I think is about as likely as a toddler throwing their lifelong toy on the fire.
“What are you going to do? Sack me?…………..I thought not”
I would not describe the vaccine as then end game. The vaccine is one of the stepping stones towards that total destitution and domination of all humanity – that is the endgame.
Users of Windows 10 will no doubt heard the saying ‘Microsoft is using us all as beta testers’. Now we have Pfizer and presumably the other vaccine companies doing exactly the same thing. The stage 3 testing is us…
It is suggested that this is the very first dna type of vaccine to be widely used. Can anybody confirm it. If so it is doubly important to stay well clear.
You must be a young man DaveWS. Windows have been using us all as beta testers for at least 20 years! Mr Gates didn’t get where he is today by finishing the development work before selling the product.
C.O.V.I.D = Certificate of Vaccination ID
Now do you see what it was really about?
Clever. Devious. Revolting.
Update on criminal charges. See the updates section from the link below.
“23.00 – COVID-1984 UPDATE | At 11:11 pm on the 11th day of the 11th month, charges of criminal fraud by non-disclosure were laid against the secretary of state for mandatory vaxxtermination.
He has been charged with knowingly failing to disclose to MPs that the fake government lurgy was reclassified as not being a Highly Contagious Infectious Disease, before they voted on the treacherous Coronavirus Act 2020.
Had he done so, there can be no doubt in the mind of any reasonable individual there would have been no possible justification for its enactment.”
https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/sovereign-being.html
Thanks for the update.
There’s been misreporting. To clarify,
Ticketmaster doesn’t set policies on safety/entry requirements.
https://twitter.com/Ticketmaster/status/1326725939099803648
I’m despairing today. It’s article after article that suggests that the government, and governments around the world, have lost their collective minds. The worst part is, I can’t share my frustrations with my husband. He supports the lockdowns and believes everything written in the BBC. If it’s not shown in left-wing media, it is a conspiracy theory (and I’m becoming a conspiracy theorist). Every time I bring up concerns, numbers, anything, it turns into an argument. He is a smart, educated, compassionate man. I can’t understand why he is so blinkered when it comes to this, or what I have to do to get through to him.
Ditto and have to quietly fume
Or leave
Thankfully my husband sees it the same way as me but we shouldn’t underestimate the power of propaganda and project fear. It takes a mighty push to turnaround from that if you’ve been following it for months no matter what your intelligence or education. I think it’s a personality trait thing rather than intelligence.
Keep strong, the truth will out and in the meanwhile you can talk to us!
And threaten divorce.
I know how you feel. My husband is a sceptic but sometimes believes what the MSM tells him and because of where he works. Every time we talk about the current crisis he trots out the excuse that “we’re a health care provider” and doesn’t have an answer when I ask him if that’s a valid excuse if his workplace ends up in court after being sued by a student or a member of staff or heaven forbid, a patient.
Many friends and colleagues are the worst and its reached the point where I have given up and better for them to learn the hard way in order to wake up.
Regardless we should stay strong. It will be easy to gloat “I told you so” when our brainwashed family and friends ask for help when the shit finally hits the fan but I hope that our reason and compassion will see us through.
Can relate to that Bart with my lot of MSM believers. Some are complete Beebheads.
Yep. Not just that bust also eagerly consume news from the Graun, Indy, even DT, the Times, etc.
Weekend in Sweden ?
The fundamental difference between left leaning & right of centre is that leftists believe more government is good. It’s always good & that governments are wise & caring. A huge proportion of these people are paid from the public purse. People not being paid by the public purse are the only people who generate wealth. Public sector employees pay tax but that’s only money that was earned in the private sector first then collected in tax & paid to public sector employees.
Right of centre always believe that more government is always a sub-optimal solution!
If he is left leaning, public sector paid then it’s a lost cause because this nonsense is in his best interests in the short term.
But 83% of the UK working population are in the private sector. Well at the moment they are!
You’re forgetting young people, pensioners. Only 43% of the population pay income tax.
And there theyshall remain. Welfare Bums.
Cannon fodder of The State and The Great Reset.
I’m a pensioner, not a welfare bum!!
You’re not alone, I have the same problem, it’s difficult, but I steadily show my partner the real science, the absolute lies we are being fed…im still being called a conspiracy theorist, but not with such ‘vigour’ as before…you’re not in the wrong.
We can both work from home on full pay and in that sense are very privileged. I regularly point this fact out to him. That’s why I find it hard to understand why left-leaning people (and I would have included myself in this bracket) are happy to sit at home while others in society are forced into economic crisis.
Its very easy to be ‘left wing’ and ‘care for people, environment etc etc’ when you have a comfortable lifestyle and a reasonably safe job.
Its easy to be a hypocrite.
Completely agree.
Exactly. Know a lot of people like that – comfortable lifestyle, reasonably safe job, great pension and savings package. They’re not really affected by the lockdown and can’t understand why there are people fighting back against this.
It’s a very short term blinkered approach. After all if, or when the economy really tanks what will the pension be worth, to say nothing of job security?
It is unbelievable that people can think like this.
True and what will happen when they finally get hit via tax raids, loss of value of their pensions and savings.
Economic reality will get them one way or the other.
It will be far worse than losing your job, pension and life savings.
In the US, we refer to that attitude as, “F you, I’ve got mine!”
Indeed.
They’re not affected yet, but they sure as hell will be. They’ll certainly be coming for all those who’ve got a bit tucked away, but the main worry won’t be money, it will be much more important than that.
I met a lady from my sports club in the village the other day. She said to me ‘Well this lockdown doesn’t affect me, as I’m a pensioner, so I get paid no matter what.’ I simply smiled. I don’t think she would appreciate a lecture on the Pensions Black Hole.
I find such people do not value freedom either….its either seen as over rated or even ‘right wing’. They are smug unsufferable bastards.
I’m left wing and have a comfortable job but I am scathing about all this.
People who call themselves left-wing and support these measures really have no excuses – in my view they have completely lost sight of what it actually is to be left-wing and have become nothing more than frauds to themselves and everyone else.
Perhaps they’ve slipped into the bourgeoisie but have not awakened to the fact it’s actually happened.
“Perhaps they’ve slipped into the bourgeoisie but have not awakened to the fact it’s actually happened.”
Imo the problem you describe is that the left has become over the past few decades, the establishment in pretty much all areas – political, media, academe, big business.
That leaves those whose left wing impulses are genuinely based on resisting power, privilege and complacency as homeless as it leaves genuine conservatives.
Very true I have seen over many years my partner’s father move from being a working class labour supporter to being a fake middle class Guardian reader. He identifies with the metropolitan set even though they would see him as some council estate chav. He now has total contempt for his old class and still thinks he is a rebel. He is actually an establishment toady in every area of policy.
Good morning Chloe,
This is exactly why I lost all respect for Medialens and quite a number of other prominent left commentators (both here in the UK and abroad), many of whom I had agreed with on the majority of issues previously.
Even Neil Clarke succumbed initially before coming to his senses thankfully. OffGuardian have been calling it fro the start but not many others.
All the issues from anti-imperialism, social justice, environmental, poverty, child malnutrition etc… suddenly don’t seem to matter anymore.
Kindest regards
Simon
For years, we used to send money to support MediaLens, which was excellent at holding the MSM to account. When it became apparent in April that they were simply not going to engage with ‘the elephant in the room’ we cancelled our subscription and wrote to tell them why. We received an aggrieved email from one of them which demonstrated their inability to apply their methods to the part played by the MSM in the current nightmare. They simply can’t and won’t see it. I’ve just had a glance at their Twitter thread and someone has posted a link to a FT article, crowing about Sweden’s admission that they apparently ‘got the 2nd wave wrong’ and, naturally, ‘cases’ are soaring. They will be dancing with delight if Sweden goes the way of everyone else.
AlanG used to post regularly on their spin-off message board called ‘The Lifeboat News’. A doctor took over the hosting and since March, he has basically run it into the ground with his hysterical and tyrannical ‘Covid zealotry’, censoring any post which disagrees with The Narrative and even banning people. Things got so bad that hardly anyone bothers with it now and several of the ‘regulars’ have sacked it and set up an alternative called 5 Filters. MW
Thank you Miriam.
I also used to frequent the Lifeboat too, but it was man over board for me back in March/April.
Medialens have been regularly retweeting Piers Morgan through all of this – I think that needs no more comment!
Caitlin Johnstone was another one who seemed to be oblivious to what was really going on.
I will check out 5 filters.
Kindest regards
Simon
It’s a bit ‘clunky’ and they have attracted a resident shill. Alan gets the daily digest and says they can link to good stuff (similar to here, but on a much smaller scale). He doesn’t post there.
https://forum.5filters.info/ MW
I’m one of those people wfh at the moment; I’m in the right job in terms of financial stability, ironically financially I’ve never been so well off before. But this lockdown has not been good for me and I fail to see how good it is for anyone. It’s not healthy to not have human interaction, and mentally I have struggled with the increasing loss of our basic freedoms.
Putting the economic consequences aside, the human cost of all this is astronomical. I want to enjoy my life, at the moment, I do nothing but wfh, eat and sleep. I honestly don’t know why anyone is in favour of lockdown regardless of whether they’re public or private sector. Everything that makes life meaningful has been systematically taken away from us.
Recently I’ve found myself dreaming about simple human interactions like dancing in a ceilidh, singing in the church choir, drinking with friends in the local pub. A strange and rather sad experience on waking.
I hear this a lot about people who have the short or medium term financial stability provided by working from home (it would be a stretch to say that anybody has long term financial stability in this situation).
What I don’t understand is that whilst they’re still being paid, don’t they actually want to live a life? You know, go out, travel, attend weddings etc? I just don’t understand how anybody could consider this to be comfortable lifestyle, or even a lifestyle at all.
Or even a life at all!
Indeed! Work (if you’re lucky), eat, sleep, repeat.
Yup exactly … that’s our lives from now on …
That’s what they want for us to be enslaved and no meaninful life events and human interaction and definately no fun!
Absolutely! I’m in a really comfortable position, retired, private income, large house, etc. But i am livid about the curtailment of everyone’s freedoms and the crazy restrictions.
Like many others on here I’m constantly battling relatives, friends and neighbours who seem totally unconcerned where this is all heading.
I am at the stage where I can no longer be bothered and a malicious part of me would be happy to see them suffering (a sort of “schadenfreude”), if wasn’t for the fact that I’ll be in the same boat!
I can’t get many people to see the ‘bigger picture’ either. A lot of friends just turn a blind eye to the fact that these restrictions run contrary to how everything should be done in a free society.
I’m not sure which socioeconomic group I fit into. Prior to the madness I had a pretty good ‘middle class’ income, but I can’t work from home and rely on others to be travelling. I have a nice house and my mortgage payment isn’t too large each month, so I should be able to make it through, even on a reduced income.
I’m concerned about my economic future, but I’m confident that I can adapt my skills to suit whatever comes next. What I’m more concerned about is the destruction of our freedoms, and that’s the point I just can’t get through to some people.
Just give up on them they are past being worth the effort…you will feel better for no longer having them in your life. Get some new animals instead!
Many of those working from home have been gloating about how they’re saving money by not commuting or buying lunch and coffee especially at the beginning of lockdown. Now I’m reading more and more U turns where you have people admitting that WFH has resulted into their physical and mental health going down the toilet.
I can imagine. Having something to get up, get dressed and get out for keeps many people sane.
I was due to go back to my normal job this month (scuppered by Boris and Rishi), so I resigned from a temp job I had been doing in the meantime. I’m already hating the lack or structure in my life so I’m looking for another temp job.
And also people forget that work can provide a haven especially if like me you live in a not very good neighbourhood. Plus with the moving around in my work, it gets you relatively fit.
There are many physical and mental benefits to working and being away at home.
I am practically retired, small pension, no mortgage, I will survive. But what for? Life used to have a structure, simple things: village events and societies, bell ringing, hedgelaying… now every day is the same, with or without lockdown.
Don’t despair, djc. We are in a similar situation – retired with all our previous busy life on hold/gone. We refuse to let our minds be messed up. We try to talk to as many people as we possibly can, even the brainwashed, and we get out walking and cycling fairly frequently. It’s not much but it keeps us going and a few more people seem to be seeing through the lies.
A few days ago a friend who’s 72 was diagnosed with lung cancer. Amazingly she is going to get radiography (so far) We’re keeping in touch with her and trying to get her to accept whatever help we can give her.
It’s a mark of her personality that this morning we found on the doormat a letter with a pretty violin brooch in it (for me as she knows I’m allegedly learning to play the viola), a hanging basket she’s asking us to plant up for her plus half a cauliflower (!)
If she can be so indomitable, having got over breast cancer 3 years ago, then an appendectomy last year and also losing her sister to cancer 2 years ago, we feel we have no choice but to fight on!
All the very best – we feel we have friends on this site and that’s really helping us to keep going. MW and AG
Its disgusting that you have been deprived of these simple pleasures. I had better get off here…I am starting to feel enraged with the zealots!
I’ve been thinking about this, and in some ways this might turn out to be our saviour. Now, I reckon a lot of people in power have sociopathic tendencies and couldn’t care less about weddings, parties etc. But does anyone really think people like Boris are never again going to dinner parties in country houses, shooting parties, balls etc? If Lockdown continues indefinitely, IMO more and more people in high profile positions will start discretely socialising in this way, and eventually pictures and film will leak to the great unwashed, and the narrative starts to crumble.
Maybe they never liked the old normal and this shit show gives them a chance to withdraw from it. Avoid!
Myself and my wife are on the same page. She is a pharmacist with a PHD in Pharmacology. We’ve both knew something wasn’t right around three weeks after the first lockdown. She wouldn’t touch the vaccine with a shitty stick and neither would anybody in her practice. The nurses in her practice are refusing to administrate it. As my wife says, “it takes anywhere between five and ten years to come to market. Even then, the UK government may not recommend it and a black triangle will be put against the drug”.
What gets me about the Vaccine hysteria is, people are absolutely shite scarred of a virus that has a 99.7% survival rate. This basically basically means, if you contract it, it isn’t going to kill you. However these supine wimps are more than happy to have stuff pumped in to them that has not been tested and may have serious long term effects or even death, we just don’t know. You couldn’t make it up if you tried. What the f@ck is wrong with them?
FlynnQuill, I believe it’s a form of mass hysteria.
Brainwashing.
It’s mostly the comfortably WFH folks who are supporting lockdown 2, this morning once again the rush hour in and around the ‘working bloke’ trading estate was busy and normal while the office campus estated (public and private sector) ,including County Hall, remain empty.
The first thing to do is stop watching and reading the MSM and the Whitty & Vallance show. You have to remove the propaganda drug before you can start the process of deprogramming. Unfortunately, education is no guarantee of immunity, you have to change the way you think rather than what you think.
We found getting rid of our TV license was a good start.
Thankfully Mrs 2-6 is a well trained sceptic with year of experience under her belt. She used to think I was mad, sure but often right, now she know I was right all along. Which is nice.
However all of my family are totally brainwashed and totally believe in and defend vigorously the strictures and tenants of covidianism.
I have no idea why they do this and I have no idea when they will stop believing in the MSM shit they are being brainwashed with..
Is he political Chloe, on the left by any chance?
Everyone I know who supports lockdowns supports them from a political standpoint. I think the msm have done a very good job at herding people into boxes based on their political identity. They have made it clear there are 2 camps, those who are virtuous and care about humanity (usually left) and those who want to let the virus rip (usually extreme right) Remember all the reports and articles about Trump and Bolsonaro, almost wishing a disaster in Brazil. Remember the Cummings witchhunt early on …
Anybody who identifies as being on the left or ‘liberals’ very quickly ran to their media constructed ‘camp’ and most of the people on the soft right didn’t want to be associated with the populists. Bingo, support was created on completely irrational, politically constructed grounds. They then started to use the virus against their opponents. The Guardian comment s section is interesting, any discussion about the virus usually starts with ‘Boris is crap’, ‘what do you expect when we have a useless government’ etc. There is no appetite to discuss the facts, because the hysteria is much more useful.
I’m actually on the left but I saw through the game early on.
That must be awfully frustrating though – have you considered an affair?
Thank you Jamie for eloquently putting into words how I feel about this.
As I said in my post above, many commentators on the left have actually left me bewildered in their stance. I’m a left, remainer who voted Green and I’m essentially politically homeless.
I initially found sanity in Peter Hitchens before discovering UnHerd, Professor Sunetra Gupta etc…
I think the fact that Sweden – for so long a poster-boy of the progressive/ left/liberal mindset is currently viewed by many people as ‘evil’ sums up the hysterical insanity.
Are you my political doppelganger! My path was exactly the same
The interesting thing about Sweden is that the politicians haven’t been making the decisions about this, so they are free to pursue rational, politically unclouded policies. I would call that advanced civilisation.
Just great minds thinking alike I’m sure
Well not far left myself but was a remainer but most of my former remainer friends many of which are left wing staunchly support the lockdowns, masks, etc. and guess who their political idol in the world is??
I do sympathise I am a centre right Brexit supporter though formerly on the Left. I am just as disappointed in so many Brexiteers and people on the Right. We all feel desperately let down by the cult whether from left or right.
Ditto situation. I have at least persuaded him to give up BBC news. He sees their bias regarding Trump. His logic was that someone who has been attacked so much must be doing something right or they wouldn’t have focused on him so much.
He thinks there is something serious about the “virus”. Something we are not being told. For that point we both agree but for different reasons.
The really serious part will be the vaccine, very probably intentionally harmful and likely lethal after the second dose. Only complete fools would go any where near it.
So is he happy to live like this until there is an effective vaccine?
We have great sympathy for all of you with partners/family who have succumbed to brainwashing. We can only echo what people have already said – you have at least got a space here where you can be sure of like-minded people, even if we don’t all think alike politically.
As for 1930s Germany, AlanG said just now that if the Government/MSM/Facebook told a section of the population to pack a suitcase and go to the railway station, a high proportion of them would obey. The rest would simply look the other way; ‘nothing to see here’.
Not to be too gloom-and-doom, though, several lockdown-diehards/’dandelions’ of our acquaintance are showing signs of change. MW
Chloe
Buy a copy of The FakeNews Factory: Tales from BBC-land by David Sedgwick (or his first book, the BBC:Brainwashing Britain?)
.
Ask him to read it with an open mind. It’s is VERY convincing with extensive quotes and referenced proof.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/FakeNews-Factory-Tales-BBC-land/dp/1999359135/ref=nodl_
Would bringing up the subject of divorce help him to come out of his cosy Covid bubble?
I’m lucky in that my other half is pretty much in agreement with me on Lockdown Scepticism. However, I do have friends who, as far as I can tell, are True Believers and I have given up trying to ‘convert’ or even discuss it with them. For the sake of marital harmony it may be best simply to avoid the topic, (unless being in full agreement with your spouse on some topics is more important to you than domestic peace, of course).
Yes I’ve nearly written off several long term friends, who just can’t wait to bare their arms for the Gates’s depopulator and then get back to normal!
me too i hardly speak to some anymore , it’s not worth it. so glad for the comments here .
It can be very difficult and I sympathise….eventually it pushes you apart with the inevitable endgame. I suspect that all this will lead to far more breakups than the Christmas enforced togetherness! Seriously though it starts to makes you question whether you share the same values at all.
I suggest you stop trying. It’s just frustrating and can lead to bitterness.
My parents had some friends with whom they got on like the proverbial house on fire. They met up with them at the weekends and even went on holiday with them every year.
However, they had come very early to the agreement that they weren’t to discuss either religion or politics if their friendship was to survive.
Lee Cain is leaving on Crashout Eve and very sensible it is of him too.
The rest of the Vote Leave gang can take the flak for the chaos, destitution and impoverishment of our brexity sunlit uplands.
Covid is largely down to Brexit and Trump. They have got rid of Trump and have already a weak idiot in place here.
I’m not sure if that is sarcasm or just plain insanity speaking. Really?, brexit and Trump caused Covid and ‘our’ government’s insane over-reaction???
Trump didn’t ’cause’ covid. The over-reaction of public health authorities in the US was certainly encouraged by certain factions in the US. This was quickly encouraged to spread throughout the world.Tthere is little doubt in my mind that some saw it as an opportunity too good to miss to crater the US economy leading up to the election, with added side benefits including the promotion of widescale postal balloting.
The coronavirus and covid-19 exist , even if the remaims questions of exactly what they are. However in themselves they do not represent the ‘plague’ that has been represented by the media and used by politicians to introduce draconian measures. That is truely ‘man-made’.
Personally I am convinced that ‘man-made’ epidemic has its heart in the US with one principle aim, get rid of the man in the WH.
Well US and China were in a trade war before it kicked off.
And everybody else threw themselves off the cliff to stop Trump and Brexit? As you say, plain insanity.
You’d rather we stayed and have to bailout the Eurozone??
I don’t understand how anyone can describe the government as tilted too much in the direction of caution. Caution is not the word to describe the governments actions.
The government has lost its mind and is a danger to the lives and livelihoods of everyone even those who currently think they are better off. It is transparently deeply corrupt and is engaged in violating our liberties in increasingly horrifying ways. It has utterly destroyed our healthcare service, education system and other public services while its wrecked the budget beyond repair. It has been systematically destroying the economy making it as hard as it possibly could be to go through the financial collapse that was inevitable. It is trying to dismantle everything that gives us the possibility of hope and prosperity and any semblance of independence from government.
The resources it has wasted other the last 8 months could have achieved amazing things and improved our lives. Instead it has chosen to wreck them and put our lives in danger.
This has nothing to do with caution !
Well said.
Yes too harmful and sinsiter to be put down to excess caution. Knowingly causing such harm and excess deaths in far greater numbers than a respiratory virus and continuing to do so.. Criminal lawyers need to step up and now.
caution isn’t trying something never tried before which is predicted to take 15 million life-years through a major recession
You make a truly excellent point
I am heartened to see Tim Spector becoming more outspoken – I use their app (have done since the start) and have had doubts about their intentions, but it seems like they are playing with a fairly straight bat. Having him say things like this, backed by the data, is useful as I think he is hard to attack or sideline.
However it is astonishing that even someone as undoubtedly intelligent as he is would term what the government is doing as “cautious” and (unless he is pretending) it just shows how deeply ingrained the narrative is – covid is exceptional and exceptional measures are called for, and that this represents “caution” and following the standard WHO playbook represents something reckless, controversial and unorthodox.
A massive shift occurred almost overnight when the Chinese went crazy and started locking people in their homes.
Yes, as though launching into a completely unprecedented (at this level) radical experiment involving profound harm and unknown downside risks to economy and society, somehow isn’t incautious!
I can’t decide if the Chinese lockdowns were simple gaslighting or if they were a signal to their Western plants to ramp up their part in the operation.
Perhaps a bit of both?
Whatever the truth, the Chinese seem to have played their cards pretty well.
Which major industrialised nation has had the least lockdown, come out of it earlier, opened up, got back to normal, with the least deaths (if they are to be believed) and the least damage to their economy. BY A COUNTRY MILE. China. Nowhere else comes close.
One interesting aspect of potential gaslighting are a couple Western expats in China that were ramping the fear late last year and earlier this year via many, many YouTube videos.
Looking at their channels now they’ve largely gone quiet about the bug…
“https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8933375/Mass-Covid-testing-scheme-Liverpool-rolled-66-authorities.html”
Just a thought on this one. Looking at most of the areas where the testing will take place they are for the most part Labour supporting. How much government/taxpayer handouts are they receiving? Here in the socialist paradise that is Camden they are perpetually short of money. One only has to take a look at the Chalcots Estates recladding debacle which is now scheduled for completion in 2024. Earlier this year scaffolding started to be put up to start the process but stopped mid February on the pretext that they were retendering. Suspect this was because it was the end of the financial year and money to pay the contractors was not there. In the last couple of months while the scaffolding has been taken down yet again. The programme to roll out testing of asymptomatic individuals is highly suspicious.
Agreed. I’m aware that many of the district councils near me are in dire straights and have been for some years now…any opportunity to cash in on ‘free’ money will be grasped with both hands!
BBC R4 News 08.00 reported only one in ten local authorities expected to be in budget this year despite ‘unprecedented support’ from central government.
Sitting here listening to the media lies, the vaccine miracle, the exponential rise in ‘ cases’….will we ever hear the truth? This is the beginning of a police state, do as you’re told, or else…. Well, I won’t, I’m nearly 60, I won’t be having a vaccine or a test, for something that doesn’t exist…. Perhaps my later years will be spent residing in a ‘quarantine station’ or prison cell…I’ll go down fighting.
Well said, Jack!
Me too Jack. We’ll said.
Arnie.
Its way past time to get rid of the commie idiot Johnson now.
CCP stooge.
Yep; Bozo is – whether knowingly or otherwise!
Madness, to tell all of the businesses who spent money making things ‘safe’ to then close them down again, if people do not wake up now it’ll be too late.
Take my workplace. They spent so much money making things “safe” even though our reserves are so low that they’re having to make savings and that includes making people redundant.
Now we’ve lost this month and Lord knows what it will be like next month. I seriously doubt we’ll be swamped with visitors with reduced capacity and people having to tighten their belts.
Laws about
Meeting your children
Meeting your grandchildren
Meeting your parents or grandparents
Leaving your home
Meeting anyone
Going to work
Going anywhere
Buying food
Sitting on a bench
Buying children’s clothes
Visiting a pub or restaurant
MI5 and GCHQ used to crush dissent
Not allowed to enter or leave the country
Parliament suspended
Imprisoning elderly people in care homes
Routine medical care refused and withdrawn
Forced to take part in medical experiments against our will
If that is not a description of a dictatorship and a police state then I don’t know what is
Good description of a government committing crimes against humanity too.
Internal travel bans or exile.
Don’t forget; wearing a face nappy (badge of loyalty and subservience) and carrying a tape measure to make sure that you don’t get too close to other human beings.
If I were a brainwashed prole, I’d respond to your post with:
“Don’t be stupid, they’re only doing all of this to keep us safe!
We need laws like this so selfish people like you don’t endanger other people’s lives.
I’m off out now to drive around taking pictures of people who I think are flouting the rules and I’ll post them on Facebook for public shaming.”
Any counter arguments to this will result in “la la la, not listening” followed by accusations of being “brainwashed yourself by the Russians” or “anti-science” or a “vaccine denier”
This is the language of suppression and coercion.
It’s axiomatic that EVERYONE who works for the NHS is bona fide superhero.
I am wearing a mask, observing social distancing and accepting lockdown because I am noble, caring, humanitarian and public spirited.
You are self centred feckless and sybaritic.
How many people do you want to die so you can go to the pub/restaurant/cinema/football?
Actually, I’m more concerned about the erosion of our central liberties as a free people, the broader health picture and people’s livelihoods.
But yes, in a country that depends so much on people spending money, I miss those things . They make life so much better. And many people rely on them for their income. If you want to live in the cupboard under the stair, I fully support your decision.
Agreed!
I couldn’t care less about the Downing Street Soap opera and who has fallen out with Boris.
Appreciate the backbenchers voting against the government, but given what this government has done, resigning the whip or even the party would be more impressive.
This government is a joke it’s quite possible it may not last long or Johnson doesn’t last long politically We deserve better as Britons, keep out Labour also
You would normally expect this political void to fill very quickly, but where are those who would canvass our votes? What’s happened to Farage? The SDP are sane but quiet. I think it’s going to have to come from inside the Tory Party, god help us. Tainted to hell.
Was i imagining it or did Bill and Melinda meet up again with our useless clown in the last day or so !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/13159687/boris-bill-gates-national-vaccine/amp/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sunpoliticstwitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
I have no idea but the fact that we need to be concerned as to who is influencing Boris is at the heart of the problem. He has no concept or ability to do the job he should really be doing, which is to ignore all the micromanagement fluff of vaccines , R rates and case numbers and take a clear strategic look at what is going on and make a radical bold new deal to take the country forward.
If I was Boris, my analysis would be;
People may agree or disagree with my views but to my mind the job of a Prime Minister is to rise above the froth and make this sort of overall strategic analysis from which all else can stem and this is what Boris has failed to show any inclination or ability to do.
Whitty has probably told bozo he won’t get his share of the Gates bung if he doesn’t do as he’s told.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0c-di1MSA
Rebel Media: Imagine no possessions: Watch the deleted World Economic Forum 2030 video
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/12/own-nothing-and-be-happy-the-great-resets-vision-of-the-future/
Wow just like Star Trek
How do they think it would ever possibly work? Look at how they cock uo everything.. their brave new Greta Reset world would be no possessions.. no jobs.. no nothing… everything fucked.
Will we ever get an answer?
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2020-10-21/107040
They don’t want to answer and they are not going to. It just reaffirms how utterly toothless our MPs are.
You’re probably right and that’s a shame. The sooner we can prove that the PCR test is fatally flawed and what we are experiencing now is a ‘casedemic’ the better.
Dr Clare Craig explained it perfectly to JHB on talkRADIO this morning.
I think we have proved both of those things, but no-one in a decision-making capacity is listening.
There is a much bigger agenda in play here, none of the measures we have seen are justified, and never were even from the start. We had reason to be wary in the beginning, but by the time the dread plague reached us, we knew it was dangerous only to a very small and identifiable group of society.
Our useless leaders fawning congratulations to Joke Biden said it all really, priorities are fighting climate change and building back better (heard that somewhere!!), not a shared hope for a return to normality and restoring freedoms to the people.
they look like two old lags in the prison yard planning to bully a nonce for his burn (tobacco).
This chart is a detail taken fromhttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases.
From initial infection it takes about a week before someone would test positive.
Lockdown 2 started 5th Nov so we don’t expect to see any impact until Nov 12th, when, if lockdowns work we’ll see a step down in infections.
The curve is already trending down, was already trending down not up. If there’s no step change from the 12th how can anyone claim lockdowns work?
Most people could be persuaded that graph ‘proves’ lockdown 2 caused the reduction.
Does Mr Cain have an eye to the future
Goebbels would have stood trial at Nuremberg and been executed if he hadn’t done for himself
Interesting story on RT. Bojo’s lovefest with Gates and big Pharma. https://www.rt.com/uk/506443-boris-gates-pharma-vaccines-military/
Tweet from Priti
At the last election,
@Conservatives
promised to end free movement. The British people voted for that in their millions. Today we have delivered.
Yes, turns out we did vote in our millions to end our own free movement and our freedom in general.
At the New year I told my family I wanted a nice quiet year. The lockdown gods heard me. Next time I’ll be more specific.
Posted in the Telegraph:
Carrie Symonds
It was reported that she was asked to leave her post as director of communications after sources claimed party chiefs had said her performance was poor, and questions were raised over significant unjustified expenses claims. On 16 August 2019, she made her first public appearance since entering 10 Downing Street, when she addressed what she called the “gigantic” climate crisis. Concerns over the influence of Symonds on the prime minister were raised in January 2020, when it came to light that Symonds received briefs from animal rights activists just before government came to pull a planned cull on badgers in Derbyshire. Symonds was previously in a long-term relationship with British political journalist Harry Cole.
She seems to have a thing for chubby guys
She tends not to go for working class poor guys for some reason.
Betting odds for next US President
Yesterday morning
Trump 10/1
Yesterday evening
Trump 46/5
This morning
Trump 7/1
Looking good, that might be because the first recount has been ordered.
Morning all
In early March, I was saying to all who listened, this isn’t about this virus you know.
My friends and associates were divided into the ones who regarding me as a swiveled-eyed lunatic or the ones who said it will blow over soon.
I am now unable to see a way out of this, too many people have invested so much, ideologically and politically, to take a step back and reevaluate their position.
This antisocial distancing and mask behaviour is now so ingrained to easily return to normal.
I am in a constant state of psychological arousal, my anger is always so close to the surface that one instance of badly judged remark or behaviour on somebody’s part may result with me exploding violently. The outcome will end up with me being detained. Due to this, I choose not to leave the house unless I really need to or with my wife.
I have self-harmed a couple of months ago, but the danger is harming others.
I’m slowly cutting myself off from most people as most conversations end up with the lockdown etc.
I can’t imagine a future that looks like 2019, but the strategy to returning to that happy year is so amazingly simple……. just return to normal.
Just return to normal.
You have a huge, huge problem. You are sane
Don’t harm anyone ‘Forgive them they know not what they do’
I really don’t want to, my PTSD has returned in a big way. My mental and physical health has taken a few steps backwards. The fucking worried well love the drama, people who’ve never had a serious health mortality event in their lives, living it vicariously safely via the mainstream media.
You will be a hero when victory is ours
Sadly we are a minority now.
… in an insane world!
Small groups of secptics on a local level for mutual support are one way of reacting to this.
I have been looking in vain for such in West Wales. I joined Keep Britain Free and posted in their communities forum to see if there was any interest. I only got one response from someone in another part of Wales. If things get much worse I may start one myself but not ready to yet…
Waves from West Wales (Near Carmarthen). You are not alone we regularly meet up with a local sceptic friend a retired Doctor (as is my wife). Feel free to contact us via our blog www(dot)lizburton(dot)co(dot)uk
Thanks for this – I’ll contact you.
Your blog looks like a great resource. Recommend other LS readers check it out.
Saw a friend last night who id not seen in ages, he went to elbow bump me….I told him to fk off with that shit shake my hand or get to fk. Just lost it with the inane crap. He shook my hand
This is why I practice my elbow strikes on the heavy bag
I’m behaving entirely normally. If other people want to wear their face panties with pride more fool them.
Mr Smith: I admit to having similar feelings, but one thing which has helped me is this: to forget about getting ‘back to normal’. Instead, I think of myself as being under the rule of a hostile foreign power (which in some sense, we are). Some will collaborate with that power, others will try to remain neutral, still more will resist it. I myself have decided to join the Resistance. Once I made that decision, I started feeling better.
Proof that El Presidente’s Track & Trace system, is a lot of shite.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotlands-test-protect-covid-system-22997192
Toby/Will needs to get things right – the Certificate of Vaccination he shows is a Yellow Fever one, been around for years.
Discussed on here weeks ago so they really need to get things like this right or he loses credibility when our “enemies” point out things like this.
he would eb better putting the covipass websites etc links to the WTTC letter to Governments and “new normal” tourism guidelines instead.
I think it’s just an illustrative graphic to liven up the site and break up the text, surely? Not intended to be specific.
Re: toddlers falling out, spitting out their dummies and throwing their toys out of the playpen (10,Downing street) is funnier than the Simpsons.
Actually that’s a good plot line for that show.
FACT IS TRULY STRANGER THAN FICTION.
Can anyone recommend towns/communities in England that are particularly anti-mask? The time is fast approaching. Unless a safe place in found, it’s a move to Sweden. Claiming political asylum!
Someone mentioned Totnes as a hotbed of scepticism.
Otherwise from what people post it seems like places with more people likely to break the rules for other reasons
Where I live people are outwardly at least very law abiding and mask compliance in shops is close to 100%
I believe the guardian mentioned Totnes as being a hotbed for “mask misinformation”. How have intelligent people been persuaded to reject what is blatant physical experience. Covering your face makes you breathe in your own exhaled CO2, which is not healthy. What is wrong with people?
I don’t think Windsor is a hotbed of scepticism but during my last 2 visits there, people and businesses were fairly relaxed.
That FOI is causing a bit of a stir of the Francis Hoar and laworfiction twitters – hooray.
Someone did accuse it of being photoshopped to try and debunk it – arsehole and the lawyers not that stupid, they have all my correspondence on the matter and the original e-mail and locked .pdf document from the DHSC so yah boo sucks to him.
Just seen it at the top of saveourrights – lockdownsceptics community now on the offensive?
I salute you, AG. This demonstrates that there can be a long delay before hard work pays off and that patience and perseverance matter in this long game.
If there was a genuine deadly pandemic, body bags on the streets, etc. I would soldier on through the lockdown, have good times and bad times, but I would be able to get through it because it I’d believe in it and have hope for the future. It’s the fact that I know we are causing untold harm to millions for absolutely no reason that makes it unbearable. That is the curse of the lockdown sceptic.
Lockdowns would be just as ineffective and harmful in that situation – how deadly a pandemic is has little to do with it. Anyway epidemics caused by deadly pathogens tend to burn out more quickly on their own because the pathogen kills its hosts.
That may be true but if kids were dying every day in my daughters class, whether based on logic or not I guarantee I would not be sending her to school!
That’s not the same as a lockdown, though.
Same principle though is it not? Reduce human interaction, reduce transmission. Except that lockdown is a a collectivist approach as opposed to an individual one. As has been said on here many times in a real deadly pandemic with people dropping around you a lockdown isn’t needed, you would do it voluntarily out of fear. The problem we have is that the media has had to instil that same fear artificially because we don’t see a deadly pandemic…because there isn’t one.
For the record I don’t think there is any scenario in which a government mandated lockdown is necessary or justified.
But, But, But, we would not destroy businesses to force ourselves into slavery for the state.
That’s a very good and critical point. There is absolutely no need for government mandated lockdowns as people are quite capable of making decisions and assessing risk for themselves. If people were dropping dead left, right and centre in my neighbourhood, I wouldn’t leave the house without a hazmat suit but I wouldn’t need the government to tell me. Yes, people that have symptoms should isolate but assuming every single person is infected and that the whole of society should basically shutdown is absolute insanity.
Even during the plague of 1665, when people were literally dropping dead in the streets, there were no mandated lockdowns of healthy people – only those displaying symptoms were forceably quarantined. And the pubs and churches stayed open, too.
“Artificial Fear” … another phrase for leaflets, handbills and stickers
It’s not the virus I’m worried about, even if it was actaully a once in a century epidemic that would end eventually. It’s the government-declared “emergency” that’s the real danger.
Yes, that’s it in a nutshell. There may or may not have been a coronavirus event, but either way the only real danger now is the utterly corrupt government. This “pandemic” has been a long time in the plotting and the UK government is absolutely part of that plot. Interesting, that the big boss Bill Gates, is planning a royal visit, presumably to check up on the performance of Johnson and his other paid off minions, who are found in droves throughout the government, media and universities. These people deserve the dank prison cell that’s waiting for some of them, others will need to face the ultimate penalty, i.e. that which is now reserved solely for traitors. I will be volunteering to be the hangman’s assistant.
Most of my neighbours happily believe that a quarter of the population has died of this coronabollocks. When I ask ‘where are the bodies then?’ they look at me all funny & tell me that we are the lucky ones here, that not many have died here but ‘it’s terrible up North’.
Mind you its my own fault for living on an estate known locally as ‘God’s waiting room’. Sigh.
PS. On the plus side loads more businesses locally are finding ways around the new lockdown or are just ignoring it completely.
Keep at it people, there are lots more people on side than you think. One person at a time they are coming over to us and making our voice louder and much harder to ignore.
Arnie.
That’s so well put Achilles.
First sentence is the same sentiment I’ve had from the start, interesting to finally see someone else thinking the same!
Who elected Carrie? What’s it got to do with her, and where else is she sticking her liberal beak? Spouses/partners of prime ministers should have to sign a pledge of non-interference before they enter no.10. Sick to death of the Monstrous Regiment Of Women, and of feminists in general (and I speak as a woman)..
I wouldn’t call Carrie a feminist of any kind. She undoubtedly believes that a man in a frock is a woman if he says he is.
Nancy will get a shock if she starts rootling around for ice cream in the WH freezers once Kamala has moved in.
Tim Harford, new weekly radio programme
‘How To Vaccinate The World’
Starts next Monday 11.30am BBC R4.
just sayin’
Vaccine propaganda on BBC. Sponsored by…
The government has been using the R rate to beat us with as a reason to be in lock down. I imagine we will no longer hear it mentioned as there is increasing evidence that it is dropping or has already dropped below 1. However the Government has it above 1 for the whole country and tells us that it is increasing (and underlines that by the statement that this is in the expert opinion of SAGE – well that’s OK then)
Even SAGE admitted it was falling but yet we still needed “four weeks to save Christmas”
For gov website today
Region/ R/ Growth rate % per day
England 1.1-1.3/ +2 to +4
East of England 1.1-1.4/ +3 to +6
London 1.1-1.3/ +2 to +5
Midlands 1.1-1.3/ +3 to +5
North East and Yorkshire 1.1-1.2/ +1 to +4
North West 1.0-1.1/ 0 to +2
Sorry about layout – tabs don’t work
It’s why they use R, they can say it is whatever they want it to be.
Since the full lockdown came in, positive tests in the North East, which were previously falling, have been rising considerably. This includes Northumberland; a sparsely populated area at the best of times, and now totally dead except for a few masked zombies. How is this happening? A vast increase in testing? The same people testing positive multiple times? There must surely come a point where more people have tested positive in Northumberland than actually live here.
Anecdotal evidence indicates that the people testing positive are NHS staff and their families. I have also heard of someone who went into hospital for a knee replacement, caught the virus and died. This is not a community problem; it is an NHS problem.
OFF TOPIC: How much extra money needs to be donated to this site to lose the “You may like” advert section just there ^?
An advert for reusable, comfortable to wear masks for £35 does seem a bit out of place on this site and it makes the site look like those crappy, tacky news sites (like the Guardian) that do similar things…
I wish I could thumbs down it myself…
Please remove this offensive photo.
Are we not in a mask-porn free zone?
A billion apologies, I can’t edit it now
Adblock plugin on chrome, never seen any adds on this site. (Sorry, Toby)
Or use Opera browser with ad-block built in.
Or Brave Browser with ad-block
Maybe get an ad blocker? I am not seeing any adverts here; I am using Firefox with pop up adverts blocked.
Adverts on here? What adverts. I have never seen any adverts. I guess it’s my adblockplus plugin doing it’s thing.
LISTEN TO T R NOW!!!
Yes, an apologist for the government.
I was struck by her foolishness about “we must get the virus under control” – complete misunderstanding of reality (an ignorance intentionally manufactured by those in power).
Another mealy mouthed patronising git.
What? you mean actually do some work?
We’ve all seen this sort of thing over and over again.
I well remember one manager who used to bring his car down to the factory yard where I worked on Sunday afternoons and spent hours washing his car using the company’s water and “booked” hours (double time) overtime.
Agree, I am almost 72 and she is the last person I would want to represent me.
Apologist for the government.
A little help if possible. Yesterday someone posted on here with a list of issues that lockdowns cause eg suicide, heart attack deaths etc. I would like to use that info on my next MP letter, could anybody piont me to it?
It was in the main update section.
These were the issues listed:
Thanks, that’ll help a lot.
I shared this article https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/ few days ago.
I didn’t know that the author is now a member of Biden health response team.
The article is interesting in and of itself, regardless of the fact that Biden is >75 years old.
The facts and points made in the article are a criticism to the way the threat of covid-19 has been exadurated. There is constant talk of “saving lives” but large majority of people who died (from or with the virus) are very old and frail. So, it’s not so much about saving lives as it is postponing death.
Another thing is lockdowns didn’t even managed to “save” these people and in some cases they made it worse (case of New York and old peoples homes).
But even if lockdowns successfully did “save lives” (postponed death) of some portion of very old population, they did so at a huge cost to everyone else (young, middle aged and old). Decision to lockdown was just insane (including, of course, the first lockdown).
Aside from covid-19 and lockdowns, there are also some ethical/philosophical issues with trying to live as long as possible.
Here are some parts of the article:
“In the early part of the 20th century, life expectancy increased as vaccines, antibiotics, and better medical care saved more children from premature death and effectively treated infections. Once cured, people who had been sick largely returned to their normal, healthy lives without residual disabilities. Since 1960, however, increases in longevity have been achieved mainly by extending the lives of people over 60. Rather than saving more young people, we are stretching out old age.”
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“But as life has gotten longer, has it gotten healthier? Is 70 the new 50?
Not quite. It is true that compared with their counterparts 50 years ago, seniors today are less disabled and more mobile. But over recent decades, increases in longevity seem to have been accompanied by increases in disability—not decreases.”
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“As Crimmins puts it, over the past 50 years, health care hasn’t slowed the aging process so much as it has slowed the dying process. And, as my father demonstrates, the contemporary dying process has been elongated.”
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“So American immortals may live longer than their parents, but they are likely to be more incapacitated. Does that sound very desirable? Not to me.”
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“Even if we aren’t demented, our mental functioning deteriorates as we grow older. Age-associated declines in mental-processing speed, working and long-term memory, and problem-solving are well established.”
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“American immortals operate on the assumption that they will be … outliers. But the fact is that by 75, creativity, originality, and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us.”
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“But here, too, living as long as possible has drawbacks we often won’t admit to ourselves. I will leave aside the very real and oppressive financial and caregiving burdens that many, if not most, adults in the so-called sandwich generation are now experiencing, caught between the care of children and parents. Our living too long places real emotional weights on our progeny.”
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“Unless there has been terrible abuse, no child wants his or her parents to die. It is a huge loss at any age. It creates a tremendous, unfillable hole. But parents also cast a big shadow for most children. Whether estranged, disengaged, or deeply loving, they set expectations, render judgments, impose their opinions, interfere, and are generally a looming presence for even adult children. This can be wonderful. It can be annoying. It can be destructive.”
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“Living parents also occupy the role of head of the family. They make it hard for grown children to become the patriarch or matriarch. When parents routinely live to 95, children must caretake into their own retirement. That doesn’t leave them much time on their own—and it is all old age.”
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“I take guidance from what Sir William Osler wrote in his classic turn-of-the-century medical textbook, The Principles and Practice of Medicine: “Pneumonia may well be called the friend of the aged. Taken off by it in an acute, short, not often painful illness, the old man escapes those ‘cold gradations of decay’ so distressing to himself and to his friends.“
and this one:
“As for the two policy implications, one relates to using life expectancy as a measure of the quality of health care. Japan has the third-highest life expectancy, at 84.4 years (behind Monaco and Macau), while the United States is a disappointing No. 42, at 79.5 years. But we should not care about catching up with—or measure ourselves against—Japan. Once a country has a life expectancy past 75 for both men and women, this measure should be ignored. (The one exception is increasing the life expectancy of some subgroups, such as black males, who have a life expectancy of just 72.1 years. That is dreadful, and should be a major focus of attention.) Instead, we should look much more carefully at children’s health measures, where the U.S. lags, and shamefully: in preterm deliveries before 37 weeks (currently one in eight U.S. births), which are correlated with poor outcomes in vision, with cerebral palsy, and with various problems related to brain development; in infant mortality (the U.S. is at 6.17 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, while Japan is at 2.13 and Norway is at 2.48); and in adolescent mortality (where the U.S. has an appalling record—at the bottom among high-income countries).“
Covid, the new pneumonia
I will be delivering 100 of these today:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1326615494594531329/photo/1
If anybody has any other posters and postcards, etc. Please let me know.
Thanks.
Arnie.
KH, compliance is definitely melting here on the South Coast. I’m not saying we’ve won, we haven’t but there’s a very strong sceptical undercurrent now.
Stay strong, keep attached it, we will, indeed must, win.
Arnie.
I think a problem arises in differentiating between the state of mind where people will bend the ‘rules’ (whilst still accepting that they are ‘rules’) and the mind-set that crosses the border into seeing it as all confected bollocks.
My impression is that truly crossing that boundary is still a minority pursuit when push comes to shove.
Reposting:
“Search – 2020/s/207-506291
Tenders Electronic Daily.
MHRA Buyer Organisation (Medicines & Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency Gov.U.K)
Section II: Object
II.1.4)short Description
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AHTML&src=0&fbclid=IwAR2CF1YylyNNGyF9yw1P0shDxPSiXINBV5q2KDySUQKqZLCArdze2td8Y3k“
Emphasizing:
“the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs§
As you can see, this was a tender at the European level.
Not denying this is disturbing. But we don’t know how ADRs might be defined in this situation. Due to the short timescale of development it might be planned to record absolutely anything and everything that individuals present for medical care with after a vaccination, assuming the potential for causation until enough data is collected to assume otherwise. In fact this would seem very wise.
It reveals that the real testing will follow a rollout.
Yes, that’s what I was driving at, I think!
Be careful people when sharing this link fbclid is a Facebook flag that could possibly alert social media algorithm that it is being shared. The link can be trimmed
“Dom and Boris were said to be having a “furious row” in Downing Street last night. Some observers saw this as a power struggle between Dom and Carrie Symonds, the Prime Minister’s girlfriend, who is reported to have objected to the appointment of Lee Cain as Chief of Staff on the grounds that he’s a man and Boris hasn’t appointed enough women to senior positions. Is Boris really paying attention to this codswallop? My sources tell me he is.
In addition, the FT quotes a “Conservative official” questioning whether it is “appropriate” that all the people with access to Boris “would be men”. “That’s hardly governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris,” he said.”
Thing is, this speculation is exactly what you would expect to be released by Cummings’ propagandists, who will have pushed this to the media, and as likely made it up completely as based it on any substance, to try to get them talking about undue personal influence deployed against them in a “power struggle”, on grounds that many conservatives will regard as fatuous. On the other hand, those critical of Cummings probably did use the political correctness identity balance ploy in their arguments, because these specious ideological “positive discrimination” nonsenses are almost invariably used as tactics in such disputes and as means to undermine targets for removal or sidelining.
“What on earth is “governing in the spirit of Biden-Harris”, and what kind of “Conservative” official would talk in such terms?”
“Conservatives”, obviously, like most senior members of the “Conservative” Party
There are ordinary people who just stupidly believe in the identity lobby political correctness poisons about a supposed need for supposedly representative numbers of members of “special” categories everywhere, because we have collectively been indoctrinated in these dogmas so heavily for so long. But in politics, there are two kinds of people who use identity lobby nonsense of this kind – thoroughly unconservative “Conservatives” or leftists, who actually believe in it, and cynical opportunists using it mendaciously as a tactic.
“Cripes, if these are the lackeys clustering around Boris he’s doomed, and so are we.”
Good to see you are catching up, Toby. Peter Hitchens was pointing out how useless and how profoundly unconservative the “Conservative” Party is, a decade ago, and has written books about it.
I’m surprised his time in Russia when Dom was a lad hasn’t had more interest, considering what is going on now.
Don’t know about that. but I suspect Cummings will be back on the outside sharpish anyway, as soon as Brexit is safe or Johnson is out of government.
And when the truth comes out, my suspicion is that he will have played a big part in undermining this government’s resistance to the panic in March. And bear in mind, that’s based entirely on a neutral (wrt Cummings himself) reading of the information available. Unlike many I had no strong feelings about Cummings prior to this, and such feelings as I did have were broadly positive.
Once Brexit is done, I expect both of them will soon be out of government.
Agree. He is certainly not a Conservative. In my view he is a Marxist. He should have been sent packing after the Barnard Castle incident. I also do not believe he/his wife does not know the people behind the £600k communications spend on the firm brought in to assist Kate Bingham. Upper-class Northumberland is a small circle of influential families who wine and dine together.
“ In my view he is a Marxist.”
As much as Mr Toad is honest.
Just chucking terms about loosely to match your own likes and dislikes doesn’t progress any sensible political definitions.
You are a tad too sensitive to this!
The problem with the Barnard Castle incident was that nobody ever said, “you know what, Cummings did the right thing breaking lockdown, who was going to look after his kids when both parents were sick? These rules are stoopid” The rules should have gone, not Cummings.
Lots of people did actually say exactly that here. Many people here suggested that they did not feel able to criticise someone for breaking rules which were in themselves so unjustifiable.
But the conclusion of many of those was that such a defence should not apply to those involved in making and imposing the rules. Iirc TT was one who wrote exactly that here on numerous occasions.
And that should apply with double force to someone who actually was an enthusiastic promoter of the rules in question for other people, as I suspect Cummings was.
In government you either obey the rules your government brings in, or you take a stand on principle against them, and resign.
Intriguing. Can you point to anything in his blog or similar suggesting he believes in the dictatorship of the proletariat? Or is it the company he keeps, hard to think the Northumberland squirearchy are a bunch of scheming revolutionaries out to bring in the new world order?
Ross Clark’s take in the Telegraph, just posted:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/12/dominic-cummings-hanging-thread/
‘The real battle is between the superpowers – Dominic Cummings on the one hand and Tory MPs on the other, with the Prime Minister, like Berlin, sandwiched in the middle’
Most of my neighbours happily believe that a quarter of the population has died of this coronabollocks. When I ask ‘where are the bodies then?’ they look at me all funny & tell me that we are the lucky ones here, that not many have died here but ‘it’s terrible up North’.
Mind you its my own fault for living on an estate known locally as ‘God’s waiting room’. Sigh.
PS. On the plus side loads more businesses locally are finding ways around the new lockdown or are just ignoring it completely.
Keep at it people, there are lots more people on side than you think. One person at a time they are coming over to us and making our voice louder and much harder to ignore.
Arnie.
depressing that people can be easily misled
Depressing on steroids…
I hope you’re right, Arnie. Whilst it’s always a fact that subjective experience can be misleading if generalised, it’s also the case that people can be led by the nose to deny the obvious evidence of their own eyes.
If the reported public perception of fatality were to be the case, I reckon there would have been at least two deaths in this street alone. But scared people can’t count.
Funny that, some relatives in the north say the same about the south, they’ve all been very obedient and think that’s why. But, elderly aunt and uncle have come OUT, they’ve had enough and went off to visit their daughter and grandson.
Good for them, but in what dystopian fantasy world is that a crime?
Hahaha – in the North they rhink the pandemic’s in the South, in the South they think it’s in the North.
But a ‘pandemic’ is supposed to be everywhere
Midlands must think it’s at either end.
Here (South Shropshire and North Worcestershire) the majority seem to be ignoring it.
All in the best possible taste, you understand.
The little estate next to us is called Mortimer gardens but most people know it as Mortuary gardens.
I can make that joke as I am in my 70’s and some of the folks in M G are younger than me.
The masses are evidently tiring of it, we need to get them on board before it’s too late.
Agreed.
I have made a rod for my back posting in groups on Facebook and now have a ban from sharing links, even music ones! I get some horrible remarks but many are just plain weird. One keeps saying ‘Wibble’ to all my posts. You could inject someone with the vaccine and they dropped dead but they still ‘take their chances’. I honestly feel about to give up. I’ve even had death threats and been told my name is ‘on a list’. Are we now the Jews of Nazi Germany in the 1930’s?
Facebook and most social media is largely a lost cause, IMO. All you can do is post the occasional titbit that makes fun of the Covid situation or in some small way raises doubts. Most people can’t cope with much more than that, and their ‘burn the heretic’ response kicks in.
There was a Tesco facebook ad for how they are keeping us all safe with screens etc. 95% of the comments sounded like they were from here.
Dear Mr Cain, now you have more time on your hands perhaps we could meet? Suggest the Hanselbauer Hotel, it’s very popular this time of year. I will pick up your room tab
Yours
Ernst (R)
Reasons to be cheerful 862: Gym reopens minutes after police who ordered it to be shut down left. (Time after time and over and over again)
A couple of bones to pick with today’s edition – both centering around the use of ideas that in a way that concedes validity to the establishment narrative.
First, there is reference to “the current seasonal epidemic of Covid”.
Does this beast exist? Firstly – there is no sign of any ‘epidemic’. That is a loose use of the term that adds to the hyperbole.
Secondly, the quite usual and moderate rise in all-cause mortality (actually historically quite low) is multi-causal, and there is no evidence that I’m aware of that Covid is a major driver, if it is a contributor.
Then there’s the ‘angels on the head of a pin’ discussion of false positives in the Liverpool testing debacle.
It really isn’t the precise number of false positives that is the issue. This focus tends to subliminally accept that the testing has some validity apart from this particular factor.
The actual argument is about the much wider issues of the definition of the significance of a PCR + result when error factors are so numerous, and, secondly, the whole basis of throwing money at the widespread testing of asymptomatic people – against all previous strategy advice.
As said yesterday :
“Concede the language (and the frame) and you concede the argument.
Great post Rick…you are absolutely right….there is no scope for linguistic slippage in all this. Eventually you end up at the bottom of the hill and seeing the ‘case for lockdown 3’. Its essential that all writings give no credence to the prevailing orthodoxy.
“First, there is reference to “the current seasonal epidemic of Covid”.
Does this beast exist? Firstly – there is no sign of any ‘epidemic’. That is a loose use of the term that adds to the hyperbole.”
In fairness to Will, he wrote:
“the current seasonal epidemic of Covid – if that’s what it is, and not simply a “casedemic””
You are absolutely correct, of course, in your concerns about conceding the language, generally.
The point I was making, Mark, is that an ‘epidemic’ has a quantitative definition in community terms. It is a medical definition and I see no basis on which that level has been equalled – even with distorted ‘case’ figures – particularly if there has been no consultation with a GP.
It is part of that wider language thing, where the terms ‘epidemic’ and ‘pandemic’ have become knee-jerk words for the Scary Fairy to baby about without any reference to their actual meaning.
Yes, as I wrote, I agree with your point overall. Was just being fair to Will is all.
I suppose given our other disagreements there is probably a tendency to see snark or attack were it isn’t necessarily there.
Yes – they like ‘pandemic’ because it sounds like ‘epidemic’, but is scarier.
Laurence Fox’s Reclaim party is raising this as an issue.
In fairness to Prof Livermore, he concludes that “As I write above, one always comes back to the same point, that all these tests are methods to use in a proper diagnostic assessment of a patient, not as standalone screens. ”
Mass testing is criminal waste of money and people’s time but I think there is something worth talking about when we see the apparent emerging disparity in positive results from lateral flow vs PCR. This enabled Claire Craig to make her clear argument to JHB this morning that the whole debacle has rested on deeply flawed testing procedures from day one and that the lateral flow tests may be helping us to define the significance of a PCR+ test.
Yes, Charlie – but I think my point holds : we have to be very careful of unwittingly endorsing the establishment frame when we seek to make a point.
I agree with RickH. We had the same issue about classifying ‘Gyms’ as ‘essential businesses’. I don’t visit Gyms myself but I am in entire agreement that they should be open; for those who use them they are essential. Who are we, who is anyone, to decide which businesses are essential and which are not? If some one is a customer of a business then that business is essential. Arguing that a particular business is ‘essential’ moves the whole discussion onto ‘their’ ground and thus becomes a fight for specific businesses to be open and others, by implication, remain closed. In a free society ALL businesses are ‘essential’.
The same objection can, and should, be made about ‘key workers’. The concept ‘key workers’ is entirely fraudulent; if someone is working and providing a desired service, that person is a ‘key worker’, end of story. The real object of all this is socialism by the back door, why should ANYBODY in ‘authority’ be able to decide who should provide a service and what service?
These two concepts, ‘essential services’ and ‘key workers’ are apparently innocuous, even virtuous, but are really highly poisonous and inimical to the freedom of the individual.
I agree entirely. Arguing about which businesses should be exempt from unjust legislation is like two political prisoners arguing who gets the more comfy bunk in the cell. That said, any dissent from the official lockdown narrative at this stage should, I believe, be encouraged.
Great comment Rick.
“Concede the language (and the frame) and you concede the argument.”
This sentence needs to be framed at the top of this site somewhere.
Absolutely on the money – The key to all this is the validity of the PCR test, if we can ever discover the true FP rate, it will be game over (until the next ruse!)
For those of you who like to put things in proportion I’ve taken the deaths of people with/without a pre-existing condition and expressed them as a chance of dying per number of people in their age band.
Thus, for the population as a whole for people who don’t have a pre-existing condition 1 in 42,324 have died, whereas for those with a pre-existing condition 1 in 2,079 have died.
For over 80s with a pre-existing condition 1 in 194 have died. For those without a pre-existing condition 1 in 5,787 have died.
For people under 20, 1 in 3,919,544 died who didn’t have a pre-existing condition whereas 1 in 871,010 with a pre-existing condition died.
great graph thanks
“Pah to perspective and context” – said none of us lot, ever!
That is an excellent analysis – thank you
Not sure if it will post, but I used to do this one regularly. England and Wales only
I must be living in a parallel universe where we live in a country where Government policy is dictated to by the Prime Minister
s girlfriend.Nigel, we are waiting for you. Dont forget Mr Fox.https://oceana.org/about-oceana/people-partners/oceana-staff/carrie-symonds
look at the staff list…
what does that mean though?
It points to Rockerfellers.. it points to WEF Davos.. Kier Starmer is trilateral commision – also Rockerfeller.. Rishi is Goldman Sachs, a Davos member.. I could go on… it suggests the great reset might be the madness they are goling for. No other theory fits.. economy destroying lockdowns and tests for a virus most people survive?
I would prefer chaos to the ‘Great Reset’.
As longa sthere is chaos, it means that someone, somewhere, is free.
… and the donors:
https://oceana.org/about-oceana/people-partners/foundation-donors
No. Maritime Law is for being at sea in international waters. Not for being somewhere that’s a sovereign state. Deals with mineral disputes, etc. If he’s referring to “Admiralty Law”, that is all subject to the domestic laws of the country whose ensign the ship in question wears. So if a Red Ensign, British law; if a Liberian ensign, the laws of Liberia, etc.
He perhaps meant “martial”?
Shades of Eva Peron.
And Mr Kurten!
Spain hangs out the ‘Not Welcome’ sign:
https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-11-11/spain-will-require-negative-pcr-test-from-travelers-coming-from-high-risk-countries.html
they obviously want no more tourists then, genius decision
Made sure of that by having the worst ronabollocks in Europe, amongst strong competition.
A lot of the pleasanter warm/hot tourist destinations require this. Costa Rica is a notable exception.
I was there last summer, had a great time. Talking to a taxi driver he said visitors in Valencia were about 15% of what they usually were. The socialist government obviously think this is too high and want to reach socialist bankruptcy at warp speed.
Didn’t Spain have a lot of anti-tourist demonstrations in the last couple of years? Well, they’ve got what they wanted, so hopefully they are happy.
No, I think that Barcelona had a few, especially against Air BnB. But Barcelona is weird, you’re better off avoiding it. Literally everywhere else in Spain is delighted to see you.
Can somebody let me know Toby’s email address please? I have a letter to my MP to send him …
lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Thanks
Am sick of being toe-to-toe with British police wearing riot helmets. Please God, let this happen here soon:
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1326499529915510786
Fantastic, this is how it will end
Taken from here
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Beds data – reporting the position as at 08:00 on
Thursday, November 05, 2020
Beds occupiedBeds 113,462
occupied by confirmed COVID-19 patientsEngland 10,994
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 – Total 296
Number of inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 – Total 1,001
Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 – Total 1,246
Confirmed COVID-19 cases discharged from hospital – Total 977
Why are we in lockdown?
we all know the answer, it’s those in authority that will never admit it
I think we should all give Toby a break over the adverts and be grateful he created this site where we can comment and support each other.
Adverts not a problem.
Continual use of the words ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ rather than ‘dubious positive test results’, is.
Agree with both of your points
I don’t think TY will be too worried about people having a go at him, but I think while we should feel free to air our differences we should also remind ourselves of the fundamental common ground we have between us
Yes.
Never was unity so important.
For me this issue is more important than anything else.
We are talking about the fundamental nature of human society and civilization.
I agree both both points
Let TY keep his ads in peace.
We have to be careul with the terms we use, so as not to concede the frame.
Well, yes, but it is quicker – and I think we know Toby’s views on ‘cases’!
Yes, do what most people do, just ignore the adverts.
Or just get an ad blocker.
From the BMJ article:
‘However, high-level drive and funding, have been lacking, exacerbated by the Wellcome-Gates-Accelerator exclusion from funding of ‘D’. Consequentially, research establishments excluded ‘D’ trials, focusing instead on repurposing, and new drugs, including in care-home settings. ‘D’ studies would reduce the study patient pool: further, successful ‘D’ outcomes may reduce funding for long-shot studies.’
The article makes the evidenced suggestion that Vitamin D is a more effective prophylactic and treatment than other pharmaceutical interventions. It is, of course, a naturally evolved steroidal hormone and therefore unpatentable.
Well, who’da thunk it??!
Personally, I take 4,000 units per day and have done for several months (having started off on 8,000 units per day for a few weeks). I’m in the latter stages of my seventh decade and, despite Ezekiel’s Edict, intend to make a nuisance of myself for a good while longer just for the hell of it.
The same way that they respond to ANYTHING that Trump says or does!
Trump really ought to have practiced reverse-psychology throughout his tenure. Based on the principle that whatever he was in favour of, was deemed the work of Satan by the media.
I’m not certain that Trump has the intellectual appetite for paradoxical injunctions but it could have been a very revealing experiment!
This is, effectively, in part being accomplished through the fatally flawed mismanagement of Covid19, and they themselves are indeed advocating it by failing to report or suppressing any voice which counters the murderously inept public narrative – a narrative that Trump, for all his faults, has been reluctant to endorse. But yes, they would of course have had a field day.
Good point, Judy. As much as I love my fellow sceptics, and I do, I’m finding the constant pessimism hard to bear sometimes. I’ve done enough research over the last few years, and intensely over the last eight months to be under no illusion as to where this may all going. But these are all narratives, and narratives we all have the power to change by changing our thinking, and looking within ourselves for the changes we want. I’ve had enough bleakness this year. I reached a very low point recently and it frightened me, as it was taking me to a dark place I didn’t want to go…and that’s EXACTLY where they want us to be, each in our own dark, lonely place where we’re easier to divide and control. Let’s ALL stay in the light, let’s show love, respect and patience to those we disagree and are angry with. Let’s ALL of us stick together because we ars stronger that way. We’ve got to show the way forward and we need to take everyone with us, if we want to win.
Absolutely, too many posters taking the bad guys’ plans as our predetermined future. Fuck that.
Don’t run away from the dark place, conquer it. Anti-Psychiatrist David Cooper suggested many years ago that if you dream of falling from a high place, try to go deeper and further each time.
Well said!
It can be tough and we’re here to support each other when necessary. But we must take great care not to drag people down with pessimism or we might as well give up now.
Double yes!! Divide and conquer is their pox-ridden strategy so ours should be the exact opposite.
I don’t know if anyone has yet linked to an unusually good (but non-covid) Michael Deacon article celebrating his 40th with 40 ‘pieces of wisdom’ {and, actually, some really are!}, but as it’s worth it (albeit pay-walled for those who can’t get round it), here goes
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/birthday-gift-40-precious-pieces-wisdom/
Having only just returned from Stockholm myself, I’m disappointed and concerned that the Swedish government is proposing a 10pm curfew for pubs and restaurants. I do hope that they aren’t going to follow the road that we are currently going down.
It’s like every government just wants to jump on that stupid bandwagon cause all the cool kids are doing it. But I am worried that it’ll start the Swedish catch-up I’ve anticipated.
Volvo will probably make the best face nappies in the world.
Volvo is now Chinese owned.
Yeah.. great reset ensnares all in the end?
Sad that Belarus of all places might be the last refuge.
Both endangered species.
I am sure that they are coming under considerable pressure.
Let’s hope they don’t succumb to it.
Whoever else they are coming under pressure from, they are under pressure from some of their own people. When I was there, a significant proportion of those I spoke to thought that the virus was a Big Thing about which Something Must Be Done and were worried about the lax measures being taken in Sweden. Carrie can confirm this but to think of Sweden as a place full of sceptics who think like us is not entirely accurate. I took the opportunity to tell them about how shit life is here, and pointed out their results were not better than ours, and that opened a few eyes.
Regarding the 10pm thing, I would be wary of reading too much into headlines and would check a decent translation of a respected Swedish paper, or official websites, or Carrie who posts here and lives there. I have seen a lot of “Sweden about to lock down” headlines and they’ve been mainly nonsense. Some extra guidance in some areas, some relaxation in others, very little actual law and still miles away from what is happening here.
Tegnell and his mentor Giesecke at least publicly think that the virus is a Big Thing, the difference has been in how they have sought to make the measures sustainable.
Oh, I’m sure Tegnell has his opponents, but he seemed to be respected by most people we meet, if not universally agreed with.
Yes, a fascinating society, with one or two dark corners in its history.
In the 60s they gave serious thought to developing their own nuclear weapons.
If the government there mandated distancing and masks, then you could be sure there would be more or less 100% compliance.
Remember when the government carefully considered whether they could afford to give us one extra bank holiday?
and that if you took your child out of school for 1 day you’d destroyed their future
And when high screen time was bad for you, especially kids.
…and when face masks were not effective nor necessary.
Lockdowns cause more death from covid-19.
The reason as I understand it is
1 – no lockdown – herd immunity reached quickly amongst the young who are out and about – the old don’t go out so much anyway but are a bit more careful in a ‘pandemic’. A sort of self-organised Great Barrington
2 – lockdown – herd immunity slowed across the board – infection leaks from young to old. drags the whole process out so old people have to go out at some point. A sort of enforced Great Barrington but where the young don’t get immunity any quicker than the old
And the can gets kicked down the road into the autumn/ winter when immune systems are much less robust.
Anyone want to comment on this in
Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU:
II.1.4)Short description:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
Type of procedure
Award of a contract without prior publication of a call for competition in the Official Journal of the European Union in the cases listed below
Explanation:
For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool.
Strictly necessary — it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Reasons of extreme urgency — the MHRA recognises that its planned procurement process for the SafetyConnect programme, including the AI tool, would not have concluded by vaccine launch. Leading to a inability to effectively monitor adverse reactions to a Covid-19 vaccine.
Events unforeseeable — the Covid-19 crisis is novel and developments in the search of a Covid-19 vaccine have not followed any predictable pattern so far.
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:HTML:EN:HTML&tabId=1&tabLang=en
We’ve discussed it already. On the one hand, it’s an obvious smoking gun. They clearly expect a lot of vaccine injury – very rarely do government use the word “will”:
…the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine.
On the other hand, I’m kind of glad they’re doing something about tracking it.
Really needs to be in the MSM but what’s the chances of that?
Toby’s challenge to Ofcom – what is happening with this??
If you haven’t seen this already, definitely worth a watch. Dr Marcus De Brun on how he spoke out as doctor and paid the price. This is the latest one and I think sends a strong message to the Coronaphobes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk
https://www.thefreedomcycle.com
This is wrong, there has been a request made but no warrant has been issued. I doubt this attempt at a private prosecution will go anywhere, even if it gets to a court the DPP will issue a writ of Nolle Prosequi and shut the case down.
On what grounds could the Nolle Prosequi be issued do you think?
The DPP doesn’t really have to give reasons, there is a general not in the public interest exemption. I am sympathetic, and frankly think there should be prosecutions but I can’t see this being allowed to go ahead because it would make life impossible for any future government.
That’s helpful. Thank you.
What is your source of information Gladiatrix? I am interested to know how we find these things out. Is there a published list of warrants somewhere?
I have been following the Facebook posts of the people supposed to be driving this. I think what they have done is lodged papers requesting warrants be issued, if warrants had been issued it would be all over the media.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/joseph-mercola/how-covid-19-vaccine-can-destroy-your-immune-system/
Why the vaccine could make most vaccinated people more sick if they catch the virus than if they stayed unvaccinated.
Or for Klaus Schwab….
I thought Craig Whittaker’s voting against mockdown was out of character. Here’s his response to my thankyou message:
Good Morning,
I hope you are keeping well and thank you for your support regarding my stance on the second lockdown.
As you know the decision has subsequently been passed. Therefore, I will be sure to continue to raise the concerns and argue against these new measures, but for now we need to continue to follow the guidelines, protect others with the measures put in place and hope for good times ahead.
Once again, thank you for your support.
Take care and stay safe.
Kind regards,
Craig
VOMIT!
Pretty wishy washy, but he is a politician.
Ours is useless. He responded to my first email to say he would reply via an old fashioned letter, still waiting almost a month later. 2nd email I got no reply whatsoever.
Utterly bonkers isn’t it. By that logic, the placebo prevented 99.62% of the control group from getting covid, compared to 99.96% of those who had the vaccine.
You can spin stuff however you like.
No Life Without Human Connection
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/12/how-would-you-prefer-to-spend-your-last-thanksgiving.aspx
Not sure if this has been posted Prof Sucharit Bahkdi interview
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE
Of all the egregious propaganda/advertising that is being ceaselessly vomited over us at the moment, the example that disgusts me the most is the Tesco TV advert. It normalises the insanity of our times (obsessive sanitising, face nappies, treating each other as toxic waste) by turning it into a funny little joke that we can all enjoy… forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LN6fQVRpK4
Remember Thalidomide?
Mabel Cow you are a star! Thank you!
Badges available here:
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Mabel makes NO money out of this so actually she’s a double star!
I was tossing and turning last night and my mind wouldn’t switch off, I got to thinking about how the young have been responding to all this. What I am going to say is obviously generalised and I’m sure there will be plenty who do not fit into what I am describing.
Unders 40’s (some older)seem to me to be completely obsessed with social media. They are constantly looking to see what other people are doing and posting pictures of their own ‘perfect’ existence. It appears that living in the moment never happens anymore, everything they do has to be pictured (probably doctored) and sent to their followers. This way of living is a complete anathema to me and for a long time I have found it so shallow and sad.
What has all this got to do with what’s going on?, I hear you ask. I have found that the young seem to have been quite accepting of what is going on. My youngest son shrugs his shoulders and thinks I’m mad when I rant and rave about the whole thing, this seems to be the case among all my sceptic friends and their offspring. I think going along with the crowd is more important than it ever was, people need the ‘likes’ on social media or they just can’t cope. Young people have always followed the crowd but this phase used to end a lot earlier than it does now, I truly believe that we matured a lot earlier. Therefore, far fewer young ones want to stand against the tyranny in fear of not being liked. Let’s face it, everything today is about looking perfect, having a perfect partner, perfect house, perfect car, perfect life. We know that reality is often the reverse of what is shown on Faceache, Instagram or whatever else. I think too many are living in fantasy land to be able to see what is happening. Rant over.
I agree. I can see my younger brother just give up on making head or tail of things. He just wants it to end.
Whilst young people are despairing under lockdown everyone under 25 has had the majority of their lives practically controlled by social media. Unfortunately, when social media is telling you to accept what is going on, that is what you will do because you have taken part in the cancel culture that will come for you if you do not follow the social media groupthink.
Social media creates the illusion that you are informed but realistically it just takes away any need for critical thinking.
Yes especially when all the massive platforms are exercising draconian censorship from any alternative point of view.
My kids hate this and know its bollocks but in general prefer to keep their heads down for fear of losing their friends, and also try not to think about it too much because it is very upsetting. I can sympathise with these positions, though I would like them to be more like me, get rid of the friends who are clearly idiots and face and speak up more against the nonsense, but anyone with kids will know that they have to come to things in their own way. But they ignore the rules as much as possible, and no longer believe a word they are told by the government.
The latest hospital data has just been released here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/Covid-Publication-12-11-2020_v4-CB.xlsx
The NHS have 2 categories of patient:
Now no one will say that ‘diagnosed’ equates to a nosocomial case but in general you would expect people to have got a test prior to getting to hospital.
The chart shows the proportion of patients in the 2 groups. As the hospitals get busier an increasing number are people who were already in the hospital.
Presumably positive tests in hospital are still recorded even if there are no symptoms to justify a diagnosis?
Yes, this isn’t a measure of symptoms just positive tests.
Just checking! It was the use of ‘diagnosed’ that made me question this, despite being well aware that such terminology now means whatever Valance and Shitty wants it to mean.
Very clear and powerful graphic. Thanks Nick.
I looked at this a couple of months ago with the same logic as you (ie admitted with positive test = caught it in the general populace and diagnosed = caught it in hospital) with the same conclusion as you.
75% of cases in hospital caught it in hospital and therefore those numbers should be taken out of all analysis when ‘justifying’ lockdown.
I dont understand why this fact isnt being screamed from the rooftops? No amount of lockdown measures are going to stop you catching something in hospital! Lockdown can (supposedly) only stop you catching it if youre NOT in hospital.
If it did we would have locked down over that ‘superbug’ scare a few years which people were getting in hospital.
Prof. Heneghan did produce something similar where from memory he said that the number was actually about 20%. I have no idea what data he is privvy to, how its being analysed (though the logic above is simple enough) or how he got to that figure but even bowing to his expertise in this matter, even 20% is pretty scary.
17.6% in hospital infections is his calculation.
Bar emergencies anyone going into hospital must be prior tested negative, in our case at an inconvenient location on the edge of the city with no bus service.
Emergencies are tested on site.
In the middle of lockdown 1. a medic told me of a third category ‘Clinically Covid’. A patient exhibiting enough symptoms to be diagnosed as having covid yet repeatedly testing negative.
Can I ask a favour?
What do you make of the Northern Ireland hospital data? We’ve next to no good analysts sceptically looking at these numbers so it’s hard to counter arguments that we are collapsing
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9
I had a quick look, you can’t do anything with the data because you can’t access the raw data, but clearly hospitalisations peaked some time ago. I’ve linked the most salient chart below:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9
Anyone else making plans to celebrate “Loss of Liberty Day” on 26th March next year? I will hang a white flag from the door, paint jail bars on my window and wear an orange guantanamo suit for the day just to get in the spirit.
I’ll probably get pissed for a few days as a re-enactment.
I might “celebrate” the one year anniversary with a trip abroad.
I like the idea of wearing orange. no great effort involved but a good message
No doubt the BBC will be clearing the schedules for an all-day special “Covid-19 1st anniversary”, presented by Dan Walker and that bint from The Saturdays, both masked, where we will be invited to “celebrate how the nation came together” to fight “this devastating virus” and how it is “really important” to ensure that we “never, ever, let our guard down” while we watch shots of dancing nurses and Captain Tom.
Far too accurate, thanks.
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I’m sure more than a few of us have been confronted with the ‘Long covid’ argument, that even if mortality is low we have to think about the long term efects.
If so, then nothing new.
Here are couple of links which reference the same thing with flu:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects
Indeed – a key argument when dealing with the “long covid” argument is to ask for context and comparisons to other post-viral conditions, in terms of the prevalence, duration and severity as a proportion of those affected.
it’s called post viral fatigue, nothing new.
Exactly, I’ve been telling people these things are common reactions to infections (not just viral ones). It’s another thing to spread panic.
It seems to affect disproportionately a particular demographic – white, middle class metropolitan women who work in education, healthcare or charities!
You have hit the bullseye again
As I said yesterday, it’s the new yuppie flu! A colleague of mine – white, middle class, metropolitan woman who works in an educational charity – claims to have it, despite seeming fine and being able to go out shopping! I just roll my eyes.
This reflects your social circle, not reality.
Women predominate, because we have a more complex fluctuating hormonal system, but there is no class or educational disparity:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1440-1819.2003.01132.x
Sadly not easily done, as until the arrival of covid, post-viral fatigue and other issues were considered “normal” or dismissed as yuppie flu or mental health issues.
A simple refuting argument – how much more damaging to how many more young people will unemployment and sky high taxes for the rest of their lives be?
Pathologist: ‘Mass testing in Liverpool shows testing we have had has failed.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk
A consultant pathologist has told talkRADIO the mass testing of Liverpool has proven the original coronavirus tests “failed.”
Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Clare Craig said she was initially against the idea of mass testing, but “what’s happened in Liverpool has completely turned the tables.”
Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson has said more than 44,000 people have taken part in the city’s mass coronavirus testing pilot, which began on Friday. Dr Craig says only 0.5% of those testing were found to be positive.
“What that means is we have a really good test at showing who has definite Covid. It has shown up the testing that we’ve had to have failed.
“Mass testing the whole of Liverpool is not the key.
“We need to be re-testing people who have been misdiagnosed and get the diagnosis right.”
David Kelly treatment for her or end up inside a sports bag.
Haha. If that was the case Yeardon would have been disappeared a while ago
It would be interesting to know how many of that 0.5% actually had any symptoms. I thought they said the liverpool mass testing was for people without symptoms.
Does it mean that? Is the false positive rate 0? Maybe it tells us that we still don’t have a test good enough for measuring the prevalence of an infection that is this uncommon.
I assume she actually is referring to infection with sars-cov-2 when she says ‘covid’ after all that is what the test is looking for – its not actually evaluating the individuals state disease.
This shows ‘Diagnoses’ v ‘Admitted’ patients to English hospitals.
Remember, the Diagnoses patients were already in hospital when first tested. It doesn’t mean they all caught the virus in the hospital but it does mean that they were in hospital for more than a day before anyone thought to test them. So, in most cases they can’t have been admitted because it was thought they were a Covid patient.
“It doesn’t mean they all caught the virus in the hospital”
Of course, it doesn’t mean that they have caught ‘the virus’ at all – they just ‘tested positive’.
Sorry Nick, I’m not saying that you meant to imply that either.
I sometimes catch myself accepting the frame they wish to impose too.
I’d like to read the anti-mask WSJ article Toby recommended as it is a major US publication of repute, but ….paywall. Does anyone here know how to get beyond it or would be willing to post excerpts?
Type the page address or the article title into (for example) bing.com and then click the results link.
Didn’t work for me – greys out after a tantalising first paragraph unless you subscribe – but thanks!
Interesting to read today’s reports about the bust-up in No 10. Some people here have remarked previously that this government is “conservative” in name only. It may have started off with the best of intentions but through sheer ineptness it has allowed itself to be captured by a woke elite. Now they are destroying the economy and our way of life in a vain attempt to suppress a virus that poses no more than a tiny risk to the vast majority of people. Next year we can look forward to full-blown socialist tax hikes to pay for it all. Whoever would have thought it. The only hope of getting out of this madness in the short term is for the CRG to grow rapidly and force Johnson’s hand. Here’s hoping.
The issue is that every previous rebellion has talked the talk but never walked the walk. Many MPs were supposedly opposed to local tiering but perfectly fine with England wide tier 4, hyped up but ultimately pathetically weak every time.
Any MP (or anyone else) who questions details of policy, without questioning the narrative, validates the narrative.
Indeed anyone working for a living, from minimum wages to high salaries will be heavily taxed for at least the next 10 years. On the other hand the cronies that were awarded lucrative government contracts without scrutiny will be swimming in money forever.
Keep an eye out next year when MSM will again start smearing anyone earning over £60k a year to distract from the fact that these cronies made so much money.
I think you need to review your 10 year figure. From memory (so could be wrong) didn’t we have 10 years of austerity to save £37bn? As we have now pissed £300bn plus up the wall that equates to nearer a 100 years of extra taxation on my ‘back of a fag packet’ calculation.
“Whoever would have thought it“
Me. I would have thought it (the government, and indeed the “Conservative” Party hierarchy, being “Conservative” and not meaningfully conservative). And said it.
And Peter Hitchens would have thought it, did say it, and indeed wrote books about it years ago.
Decades ago in fact
Really? You thought Johnson would effectively metamorphose into Corbyn?
Johnson personally I gave the benefit of the doubt to and hoped would be resistant (though in truth he was never more than the least worst of the options available), which only goes to show how desperate we are and how effective his self-misrepresentation was, in view of his actual performance when tested, which almost could not be further from conservative in any important sense.
The bulk of the Party hierarchy, and therefore government in general, absolutely they only differ from the likes of Corbyn in the rapidity of the pc, mass immigration, big spending, busybodying, state welfarist policies they intend, along with some foreign policy details. The rest is pretty much pr.
As Peter Hitchens explained it on TalkRadio, quite aptly, recently:
“It used to happen, although the two political parties had many faults and no one’s saying they were perfect, the great thing was that they more or less represented the old divide in the country, which existed I suppose up until the mid-sixties, which was basically a class divide. But since then they don’t represent the divide in the country, which is now something completely different. I’d sum it up in shorthand as the difference between Polly Toynbee of the Guardian, and me. It’s all about social and moral issues, and education and marriage and sex and things of that kind, and not about nationalisation and trade unions any more. The two political parties are basically very much on the Polly Toynbee side. They don’t really have anything to fight each other against, so they have these phony wrestling matches every few years in which they pretend to be opposed to each other and in which huge amounts of money are spent on public relations tricks of various kinds and one party or the other wins….the Tory party nearly died, should have died, in 2010, but was madly saved by the electorate who decided to rescue it from its deserved doom, and also what’s more to endorse David Cameron’s Blairisation of it, so that the Tory party had become under David Cameron a Blairite party and Tory voters rushed to vote to approve this, and so they saved it. If that hadn’t happened the Tory party would in my view have collapsed, been unable to raise funds, or continue, and there would then have been a hole.”
https://youtu.be/HTCAM7t2ntM
We desperately need at least one party that represents people who disagree with the Guardian left on everything. Time for replacements of both the “Conservative” and Labour Parties. Though how that can be done without the same establishment lefty pc buffoons taking over again, I have no idea. Perhaps we are locked into a 1930s Spain situation and civil war will ultimately be the only way out.
Well, there is certainly a need for a new political party, no doubt about that. Reform UK is a welcome start, though I doubt Nigel Farage will command enough support to get into parliament – though who knows. He may possibly be able to pull the Conservatives back from leftism if enough Conservative MPs start to worry about support draining away. I hope the UK does not become like Spain in the 1930s, but the culture war is getting worse and Lockdown Sceptics vs Statists is very much part of that war in my view.
Would you rather stay in the UK than take the “non compulsory” travel vax?
For now the answer is yes. I won’t allow it. But I have to admit to myself that I have no idea how much pressure is coming and how strong I will be.
yes. I haven’t been on a plane for the last 10 years. I hate all the security bollocks, I find it quite scary and I really can’t be arsed with it.
I love going to new places but I absolutely hate the actual travelling part, it’s a massive pain in the arse at airports with the waiting, queueing, waiting, queueing etc.
There are other means of transport apart from flying.
Agreed. I hate it as well. However, I have no choice but to grin (with gritted teeth) and bear it. It gets more intrusive as time goes on.
It is a pain. But after going through it every working day for as long as I can remember, I’m pretty quick at getting through security. All items in a jacket so everything goes through at once, lighter in a clear plastic bag (?!), no liquids, no loose coins, what a palaver.
Actually, I haven’t been on an aeroplane since 2001. I can’t stand all the security nonsense so I drive, using a ferry which has become progressively worse. I can remember turning up at Dover without a ticket and then getting on the next boat. It used to be only 20 minutes wait before departure, now it is 45 minutes, no reason for the change has been advanced, just making things awkward.
This is the first year we have not had a holiday, our trip abroad was cancelled by BA. We were hoping to Go Around the World, one last blast before hanging up our passports but that won’t happen now as we’re not playing their games.
I will not be coerced into having a vaccine so if that means no more foreign holidays then so be it. Once airline income is down it’ll soon stop.
Will it though?
I can’t understand why the airlines aren’t challenging this right now as the consequence is quite obvious.
I work in the travel industry and there are two possible answers:
1) The Govt do not understand the way the industry works at all (i.e. refunds etc) and think that their financial packages are sufficient.
2) The Govt does not see tourism as a viable sector and have no interest in saving any airlines or travel businesses.
The airlines, airports, hotels, tour operators, travel agents etc are all crying out for help and are being completely ignored.
For my sins, so do I.
I think both of your answers are correct. The complete lack of interest and understanding by UK governments in travel/tourism sector has always baffled me.
I do wonder if the “all airlines are evil” mantra because of emissions is also in play.
Fortunately private jets beloved of eco celebrities, manage to only omit patronising soundbites to us plebs and so are carbon neutral.
Time they stopped bleating for help, got together, and refused to implement the mad totalitarian rules.
It’s already happening.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/12/emirates-owner-sinks-28bn-loss/
I’ve seen plenty of posts on a frequent flyer site that indicate they’ll push and shove to the front of the vaccine queue to start flying again. To be fair I don’t know how representative that is of the public at large but it is alarming. They are showing no discernment whatsoever. No real problem for me if they want my dose; I won’t be using it.
Not a vaccine (yet), but if you go to the Canary Islands on holiday after 14th Nov you have to have a negative PCR test done within 72 hours of departure.
some of the smaller islands sole income is tourism so they’ll soon realise this won’t work once people stop going there.
Would you rather have your testicles smashed between two house bricks or have your head stoved in? It’s a question that cant be answered. I’d rather leave the UK and live in a freedom loving country, but there are none.
Indeed.
Going abroad is not just holidays – some of us have family we’d like to see at least once in this life.
I wonder what would happen on Eurostar – I suppose they are going to follow the airlines…
Correct. My livelihood relies on people travelling abroad and often requires me to travel abroad myself.
South Dakota
Did you get that question from a Yougov poll by any chance ?
Unless I retrain I have to travel for work. Rock and a hard place.
I’d sooner go to an actually sceptical country but as just about everywhere is on board with all this with no escape, I’m stuck here.
Nicaragua and many other Latin American countries, African nations such as Tanzania, Sweden. I believe there are around 50 countries in the world who haven’t jumped into this.
I would be sad but not devastated not to be able to travel abroad again, but I would need to consider my close family who have themselves close ties abroad. A tricky decision.
There are medical reasons why a vaccine may not be advisable for me (even more so than most) so I may be “exempt” though that might cut no ice with countries/airlines enforcing any such restrictions.
Perhaps if there was somewhere better to emigrate to, after a few years of seeing relatively little in the way of side effects in others I might consider it.
Yes. I’m not having it no matter what and I suspect many will feel the same.
Another expert scumbag Dr John bell being lauded by the media as of late:-
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-5-covid-test-could-19267081
This is just a whole list of egregious statement:-
Professor Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and a member of the Government’s vaccine taskforce, said the current contact tracing system was based around a “big stick that beats people up”.
He’s correct about this but it goes on…
“We are living in a word where we need to reopen society back up again and we need a structure to do that and at the moment we don’t have that structure because the whole philosophy has ‘let’s beat them up with a stick’ rather than ‘let’s give them a carrot’.”
We don’t have a structure because governments worldwide have destroyed it…. Who is them exactly John?
“My view is you test people, if they have got a positive result you ask them to quarantine for two weeks and ensure they quarantine for two weeks and if they behave themselves and they quarantine for two weeks you give them a freedom pass for three months and you say you’ve had the disease you can do and do anything you want for three months, it’s fine.”
Id they behave themselves… freedom pass… Who the f does he think he is
“If they test negative you can then have a couple of days freedom because you know that they are not infected.”
Oh thanks very much how generous. I presume I get the two days after 14 days quarantine?
Did a quick search and noticed this that he is Chairman of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Global Health Advisory Board. How very convenient all these so called experts are completely corrupted and Bill and Melinda’s grubby hands are all over this.
Freedom Pass, how brilliantly Orwellian.
Or just ignore the whole fucking thing – shrug and say ‘shit happens’ and we all get on with our lives.
Shit happens?
Well, John Bell happens.
John Bell was in the same year as me at medical school. I don’t remember him at all- he didn’t drink in the bar, play rugby or cricket or take part in the medical students’ pantomime. I think he must have been preparing for his moment in the sun. I can’t believe an intelligent man can spout such nonsense!
Just added him to the list
“They” means anyone that is not him, because everyone else is stupid.
VIRUS IS RIFE narrative is a burning platform
Since Sunday, there has been a dramatic shift in virus discussions everywhere. It is no longer taboo to deny that the virus is rife. But this pivot is only very tangentially related to the vaccine.
Until now people have been obliged, in the name of science, to accept the PCR test evidence that the virus is rife and spreading, but the new lateral flow test in conjunction with saturation testing in Liverpool has completely turned the narrative on its head, since it turns out there is hardly any virus in Liverpool. And we fully expect this pattern to repeat elsewhere. The result is that the mainstream views held by Witty, Vallance, Ferguson, Johnson, Hancock, the whole BBC, etc. are starting to look ridiculous. The VIRUS IS RIFE narrative is turning into a burning platform; which would always have come out in the end as us skeptics knew: those guys are running out of road now.
Since there is hardly any virus, and the new test can be used to establish the inaccuracy of the PCR test, the mainstream view is about to hit the tipping point and shift to sceptical. Another powerful motivation exists to force this switch, since most people don’t want an unnecessary injection for a virus that has gone away. Skeptics are morphing into powerful anti-vaxxers!
It will be priceless to see Johnson, Hancock and the others quickly jump off their burning platform when they realise the flames are reaching up to them. But they can only jump off the burning platform into the fire; they will still need to explain how they were taken in, why they abused our freedoms and rights; why they spread lies and propaganda; why so many old people died; the false attributions on the death certificates, the fake news and data and importantly why they continued the pointless LOCKDOWN2.
BRING
IT
ON
AND
BURN
THESE
CHARLIES
Burn them of a pyre of masks.
I admire your optimism but I think whilst most are getting tired of it all, they can’t see that platform burning.
I expect that they will declare the lateral flow tests faulty and bin the lot – return to full PCR to get the numbers up
Easy. They will say that the PCR test is correct and the lateral flow test is missing huge numbers of infections. Embarrassing to have to admit that moonsh*tter has failed, but better than the whole shonky pack of lies being exposed, surely?
unfortunately for them, they have involved the army, and the British army doesn’t do ‘corruption’. so it’s all going to fall apart now.
Is the government being run by Dons Gove and Hancock, assisted by consiglieres Vallance and Whitty?
Don’t forget Carrie!
You are not playing the game: you did not assign her a rank.
Maitresse en Titre?
It fits, very well, although I was thinking along the lines of organised criminals, specifically the mafia.
From elsewhere. Be creative, necessity is the mother of invention. Celebrations ahead.
Great! I will share with my local Keep Britain Free group and Save Our Rights.
If it weren’t for the fucking clergy, and paranoid gullible unintelligent branch officers, I would be able to start bellringing practices again.
‘Clergy’ is a swear word in my vocabulary.
With a few honourable exceptions, they have proved to be despicable cowards without a shred of true Christianity in them.
Bible Study is on then. I’ll tell the vicar.
Interesting comparison C-19 and swine flu pandemic in hospitalized patients. Many things similar apart from a few other co-morbidities in C-19 and elderly patients.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220323213
Systematically comparing COVID-19 with 2009 influenza pandemic for hospitalized patients
“Unexpectedly, the estimated rates of intensive care unit admission, treatment with extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, treatment with antibiotics and fatality were comparable between hospitalized COVID-19 and 2009 influenza pandemic patients.
High incidence of cardiovascular disease, hypertension and diabetes in COVID-19 patients
Hospitalized COVID-19 patients are older than hospitalized 2009 influenza pandemic patients.”
BMJ on-line, Prof Christoper Exley and me on PCR testing:-
PCR Testing: the Key QuestionRe: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19 Fiona Godlee, Mun-Keat Looi. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4235
Dear Editor
I am grateful to Christopher Exley [1]. If it is not possible to determine in any single instance whether someone carries the live SARS-CoV-2 virus from PCR testing, how is it possible to deprive people of their liberty on the basis of a test, or lockdown a country on the basis of many? [2]
[1] Christopher Exley, ‘ Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19’, 11 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4235/rr-6
[2] ‘The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4235 (Published 04 November 2020)
12 November 2020
John Stone
UK Editor
AgeofAutism.com
London N22
@JohnStone32
Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19Re: The BMJ interview: Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, on covid-19 Fiona Godlee, Mun-Keat Looi. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4235
Dear Editor,
I am disappointed that the opportunity was not taken to ask Whitty about the PCR test. He knows as everyone knows that it cannot be specific for covid-19 even under the most optimal of circumstances. He needs to provide the public with some clarity on this issue. We are implementing too many divisive and detrimental policy steps based upon myriad false positives.
Competing interests: My research includes work on vaccine safety funded by the MRC, CMSRI and a number of independent donation to Keele University.
11 November 2020
Christopher Exley
Scientist
Keele University
The Birchall Centre
Today, I just feel like saying no.
Great
Sell me some?
You can get them on Redbubble. As usual, I’ve made them as cheap as Redbubble will allow.
If you have a more economical approach (e.g. printing it yourself and using a badge maker), please help yourself to the raw image.
This redbubble thing, you send them an image and they make a badge or whatever, somebody buys it, they send it out and do you get some money as well if you want to?
Aye. Think of a shop name, create an account (just an email-based sign-up), and you’re off to the races. As far as I remember, you need to provide some place for your profits to go. I think I used my PayPal account, but since I set my margins to zero, I’ve need received a payment so I don’t know.
You upload an image, configure which products you want to offer (badges, stickers, t-shirts, mugs, etc.), set your profit margins (default is 20%, I just change them all to 0%), fiddle with the position of the image (I usually have to scale down my badges and re-centre them), and then publish. Easy peasy, takes about five minutes.
Make sure that you use a high-enough resolution and the correct aspect ratio when you create your images. You need a lots of pixel for stuff like t-shirts. See here for the recommended resolutions for each type of product. Badges (“pins”) should be 1000×1000 pixels.
The prices aren’t too bad, but watch out for postage. Some things are fairly cheap, but face masks attract an enormous postage charge. (Not that I think many people here will be buying muzzles…) One last thing: when you order something, they offer either ordinary delivery or express delivery. I’ve found that the ordinary delivery is about five to seven days, so unless you are in tearing hurry it’s probably not worth shelling out the extra for express. Your mileage may vary.
Anyone else prepared to put money on this alcohol ban being left in place long after the covid bollocks is over?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54919025
Try stopping alcohol on the Fife circle on a Friday night. Nobody enforced the 2100- 1000 existing ‘ban’ before! Virtue signalling. Is it actually in the byelaws and enforceable? Or more ‘guidance’. Slanje!
Iechyd dda!
It said the temporary policy had been put in place to support public health measures and keep people safe during the Covid pandemic
ScotRail said the new measures would help to maintain the physical distancing required while travelling.
They said it would support greater use of face coverings.
What crap. There is nothing
temporary about any of this shit.
It’s getting boring now.
I’m starting to see the creep of Islam into our lives. Destroy our churches, cover our faces and ban alcohol.
That’s possibly a side effect welcomed by some in authority, but I don’t think it’s the real reason – which is that we are governed by people who already live in an unreal, detached bubble and so have no problem imposing such laws.
All part of Alcohol Concern and the like jumping on the lockdown bandwagon.
I firmly believe 10pm closing will be with us for years.
The old old normal was 10.30 which was introduced as an emergency measure in WW1 in an attempt to stop munitions workers turning up pissed.
The most worrying thing is that we still have 9/11 “emergency measures” after nearly 20 years. Once these things come in, they don’t go away.
ID cards introduced in 1939 were still compulsory in 1952. All adults had to carry them or produce them on demand. They were only withdrawn after a motorist refused to produce his when ordered by a police constable and a precedent was set by the judge who let the driver off.
I think you are referring to ration cards, which were ID cards, but it was not compulsory to have them or carry them or produce them.
No, this was the National Registration Identity Card which was not connected with rationing. It was compulsory to carry and produce them until 1952, they were only abolished by chance because an ordinary citizen refused to produce his. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Willcock
It’ll be Prohibition Mk II.
This is stunning news. Dr Clare Craig on JHB this morning telling us that the PCR test is wrong and suggesting that everyone use the Liverpool mass testing method to expose the bogus statistics causing this lockdown. Come on Toby run with this!!!
It was actually mentioned in yesterday’s update. But yes I agree, if it’s true this other test is better than we should try to put some momentum behind it.
Oh I beg your pardon. It was. So why is this not being shouted from the rooftops? It will halve the prevalence and stop the lockdown nonsense at a stroke.
“why is this not being shouted from the rooftops?”
Same reason every other piece of evidence pointing away from the accepted narrative since Day 1 has been ignored.
No-one wants to admit they got it wrong, or people are pursuing their own agendas, or a mix of the two – take your pick.
The people pulling the levers probably know it is nonsense, but it is enabled by collective insanity.
It’s not for lack of evidence that the sceptic case has not had more success – if lack of evidence was a barrier then the lockdown case would have been dead and buried months ago
They will have to admit they are wrong if they test the people in hospital again and find a completely different result that is the point Clare Craig is making . All the evidence at the moment according to C C point to the fact that the so called second wave is in fact manufactured by the false testing . Please people just go and watch it before you say it is nothing .I have always believed if we can invalidate the test the government case is finished .
Absolutely correct. The truth has not made one jot of difference at all so far. I admire this scientist and what she is saying but chances are fingers will go in ears as before.
We sent our MP pretty much irrefutable statistics about the PCR tests and false positives many weeks ago. It was ignored just as everybody else’s contacts to their MPs are ignored or receive a boiler plate response.
More work for the lawyers suing the government for false imprisonment, loss of business etc.
Or better still, stop testing the healthy altogether. MW
Call me cynical but ..
Why now?
What’s the catch?
Testing healthy people for a virus which allegedly caused an epidemic which ended five months ago???
Has the frame been adjusted ever so slightly?
I don’t trust these buggers an inch.
Bill you are right it’s fantastic news and the more airtime it gets it will be impossible to refute . The people who think this is just another news item are wrong .This is the smoking gun and as people have said before destroy the tests and the house of cards fall .
Yes, this is a great piece. She written a couple of pieces here and regular updates on Twitter. Another name for the wall of honour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk&feature=emb_logo
He did yesterday.
The MHRA anticipate so many adverse reactions from Covid vaccines they will not be able to cope (BMJ on-line letters)
Re: Covid-19: GPs are told to be ready to deliver vaccine from next month
Dear Editor
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is the executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care. This body is responsible for issuing an emergency licence to allow the use of Covid-19 vaccines in the UK if the licence is required urgently.
The MHRA should NOT authorise Covid-19 vaccines when the agency is already anticipating ‘high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs)’. (1)
Neither should the agency authorise Covid-19 vaccines when the agency admits that it does not have the technology in place to process ADRs and ‘…it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health….’. (1)
In my opinion, the MHRA has already been failing the public; on its website it states that: ‘..It is estimated that only 10% of serious reactions and between 2 and 4% of non-serious reactions are reported…’. (2) I cannot find any information to show that they are addressing this potentially dangerous finding.
During a meeting with the MHRA which I have attended, officers have stated that the reports that they do receive are not routinely followed-up by contacting the reporting health professional, six months to 12 months later, to determine if the individual fully recovered from the reaction or has further deteriorated.
Without this information neither the MHRA nor doctors have any accurate safety data on vaccines. A point that has been raised with the Government time and time again. (3) (4)
Currently anyone who takes a Covid-19 vaccine may not be aware that the procedure is loaded with risks for the above reasons and also because there is no financial safety net for anybody harmed in the process. The vaccine manufacturers have sought and been given indemnities to protect them from potential vaccine damage claims. (5) I understand that health professionals who administer the vaccines will also be protected against claims.
The proposed Covid-19 vaccine, as with all vaccines, will carry a risk of serious injury or death. Vaccine manufacturers’ product information sheets attest to this with other vaccines. A recent example is the H1N1 vaccine which was introduced quickly into the population in 2009 and was found to be linked with narcolepsy and Guillain Barre syndrome (6) (7)
Contrary to how most MPs and the Prime Minister presents people who complain of vaccine damage and labels them as: ‘anti-vaxxers are nuts’ (8), the Government is fully aware of the risks that vaccines pose to the public. Vaccine damage payments of over £74 million have been awarded to people severely damaged. However, Covid-19 vaccine is not listed on the eligible to claim section. (9) The Vaccine Damage Payment Act 1979 would need to be amended to include all people over the age of 21 years and the awards should be made appropriate to the damage sustained on a par with current product liability claims.
As it stands, the Covid-19 vaccine is being promoted as the saviour of the country and according to the media reports, no serious concerns have shown up in the trials.The MHRA, with the authority to licence this vaccine, admits in tender documents that they are expecting a high volume of ADRs but don’t have the technology to cope which they say is a direct threat to patient life and public health.
Meanwhile, the only people taking any risk whatsoever are the people holding their arms out.
References:
(1) https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AH…
(2) https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/yellow-card-please-help-to-reverse…
(3) Jabs. Deja vu. Taken from the Daily Telegraph 1st February 1974. Vaccine ‘Risk To Children’ By the Telegraph’s Parliamentary Staff. Jabs perspective.
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615747/pdf/amjph00450-0108…
(5) https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/…
(6) https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-…
(7) https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/swine-flu-vaccine-link-to-deadly-nerv…
(8) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/24/boris-johnson-says-anti-…
(9) https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/eligibility?fbclid=IwAR0Pz2Yyp…
11 November 2020
Jackie Fletcher
Quick sell those shares
Re: Covid-19 vaccines: Many ADRs are already expectedRe: Covid-19 vaccines: Should we allow human challenge studies to infect healthy volunteers with SARS-CoV-2? Seán O’Neill McPartlin, Josh Morrison, Abie Rohrig, Charles Weijer. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4258
Dear Editor
The Ted-tenders electronic daily: Supplement to the Official Journal of the EU, details a contract negotiated by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Agency (MHRA), dated 14.9.20 (1).
It states: “The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed”.
It further explains: “For reasons of extreme urgency under Regulation 32(2)(c) related to the release of a Covid-19 vaccine MHRA have accelerated the sourcing and implementation of a vaccine specific AI tool…… it is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health”.
Why do they expect that a high volume of ADRs will be generated?
And would it not be more sensible to determine the safety profile of a Covid-19 vaccine while the stable door is shut, rather than monitor the galloping horse once it has bolted?
(1) https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
11 November 2020
Janet Menage
GP retired
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Wales, UK
Unfortunately she won’t be listened to, as she has an MMR-vaccine damaged son
They will have to listen to her eventually.
Long covid = bad
Long vaccine = who cares
Could I share this elsewhere, please?
The Stormont Government are arguing over the call to extend the full NI lockdown for another 4 weeks. Its due to end tomorrow. Bars are now sharing this :
Time to book a flight to Belfast!
Ha, I saw this on FB earlier. Fair play to them. There is a barbers near my home town opening regardless as well.
Remember it’s politicians and their extended familes and friends. As it seems MLAs like to spread the gravy out.
Three cheers for the Irish barmen!
If a vaccine is effective, the vaccinated individual is immune. Vaccination is a clinical treatment. It is not a public health measure. If someone is
frightenedconcerned about the virus, it is for them to be vaccinated; it is not for them to force or coerce others to be vaccinated. The constant misrepresentation of the concept cannot be any more accidental than the constant misrepresentation of the outcomes of computer models as data or the misrepresentation of positive test results as cases or the misrepresentation of deaths with the virus as deaths caused by the virus or the misrepresentation of hospital acquired virus as hospital admission and treatment for the virus. The constant misuse of language is a fundamental pillar of the hysterical, fear-mongering propaganda.It’s just part of the polarisation of debate. No shades of grey. You’re either for compulsory vaccination, or you’re an ‘anti-vaxxer.’ You’re either for Lockdown, or you’re a granny-killer. You either accept the result of the US election was correct, or you’re a conspiracy-theorist, racist Trump lover &c &c &c
Framing an issue is not the same thing as misusing words. The misuse of words – such as when Patrick Vallance refers to the outcomes of computer models as data – is, in plain English, lying. Framing is, however, unavoidable, although it can be exploited dishonestly. The distinctions are important. Some people – such as Vallance – are demonstrably stating things they know to be false; whereas, many are, although misguided, sincere. The two categories deserve very different responses.
The two are absolutely inter-linked. Framing is a selective process using language.
The argument will be, as for other vaccines, that there is a proportion of the population for whom vaccination is dangerous or ineffective (elderly, vulnerable, immunosuppressed etc – conveniently the exact demographic at risk from covid), so therefore everyone else needs to be vaccinated to protect them. It’s masks all over again.
It would only protect others if being vaccinated meant you were less infectious. I don’t believe that the study measured that, which seemed odd given I would have thought that was the point.
Absolutely, it seems like a huge omission, probably because it would be impossible to measure how infectious someone really is. But I’d bet my bottom dollar that they will use the “protect others” line regardless. It’s what they already do for the flu vaccine – unless that has been proven to make you less infectious? After all, how else could they justify restricting access to concerts, air travel etc, if everyone else could choose to be protected by their vaccines?
Being vaccinated does not mean that one will not come into contact with the infectious agent nor that one will not be able to pass it one to another individual. It means the vaccinated individual is immune, ie, does not get ill when they come into contact with the infectious agent. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure. Anyone pushing the argument that people have to be vaccinated to protect others is either ignorant or is saying things they know to be false.
It’s how they’ve framed it for years though, for things like measles etc, so it’s what they will continue to say.
That is not framing, it is stating falsehoods.
They now have the mental health and suicide support charities coming out to claim that “there is no increase in suicides or suicide attempts associated with lockdown”. We all know this is bull. We all know people who have suicidal thoughts because of this lockdown. We’ve all heard the number of students killing themselves in halls. I don’t know anyone who has died of Covid but I know 2 people who have killed themselves as a result of the lockdown.
How disgusting is it that the charities meant to help those with suicidal thoughts are coming out to invalidate the mental health consequences of lockdown, branding lockdown related suicide as “fake news” and a disinformation campaign designed to attack the lockdown. Anybody with common sense would be able to see that these policies would drive people to suicide as a result of the impact of social isolation and loss of livelihood. To deny that people are committing suicide because of lockdown is spitting in the face of anyone who has lost someone to suicide in this period as well as those who are struggling mentally.
Lastly, the hypocrisy of a SUICIDE HELP CHARITY claiming suicide isn’t that big of an issue as covid because suicides don’t appear to be above average is a joke when Covid is considered a big deal despite respiratory deaths not being above average for the time of year. The world has gone mad.
It’s mad. The world is mad and not many institutions have any credibility left. This is similar to asthma charities encouraging mask usage.
Most of these charities are not run by those who have the illness in question. They are woke do-gooders who get a warm fuzzy feeling inside by telling others what to do.
Do these charities actually have access to up-to-date suicide statistics? I doubt it very much – no one else does. They may speak to individuals in distress but they won’t know what happens to them all after phone calls. People may think about ending their lives for a very long time before they actually do so. I’m disgusted.
Have you a link to this being reported, Ricky?
Was trending on twitter: https://twitter.com/i/events/1277782419999842304
I’m sure you can find an article somewhere. It’s our old friend the BBC working with Samaritans.
Thanks! I will ask my friend who volunteers with Sams what she makes of it.
There was definitely a news report about two weeks ago from London Ambulance saying that the call out rate to suicidal people had vastly increased over same time last year. Suicide deaths of course take much longer to be established.
Charities rely, in part, on Government Grants. E.G. MIND states that nearly 25% of it’s funding in 2018/19 came from “Government grants, trusts, foundations and other bodies”.
Well that’s just cool if it wants to forego the other 75% of their funding.
I thought suicide stats didn’t usually come out for at least a year?
This is where they are getting their data (from the linked report):
Since 2018 the national confidential inquiry (NCISH) has supported a suicide prevention programme inEngland built around NHS geographical subdivisions (STPs -Sustainability & Transformation Partnerships). Our role has been to advise on data and evidenceand several STPs have established “real-time surveillance” (RTS) of suspected suicides to give an early indication of local patterns of risk. The national suicide rate is reported annually by the Office for National Statistics(ONS) -this includes deaths from “undetermined” cause, i.e. probable suicides where the threshold for a suicide conclusion at coroner’s inquest is not reached. ONS figures are based on the registration ofdeaths after inquest. Currently the median time from the occurrence of a suicide to its registration is 166 days.This delay means that ONS figures cannot provide close monitoring of suicide in relation to the pandemic.
The report actually shows that suicides increased more than 7% year on year from April to now. And that is ignoring the fact that many coroner’s inquests have been delayed, and that the data is extrapolated from a relatively small sample.
What the headline seems to be doing is taking the figures of people who killed themselves on the dates when an official national lockdown was in place, and claimed these as the rate of people killing themselves because of lockdowns.
Unfortunately for the neatness of their data, of course, suicidal people don’t kill themselves exactly on dates defined by the government. Some might kill themselves there and then, others – most – will succumb once the mental health burden becomes unbearable. As I suspect it did for 7.3% who killed themselves not actually during lockdown, just inconveniently elsewhere in the middle of the mass hysteria.
My great uncle gassed himself 20 years after the end of the war, in which he was the only survivor of a group of friends who drowned in a collapsed trench. According to the Samaritans no doubt this was nothing to do with the war at all.
There has already been a 7% increase, and there are many, many people who are no doubt still hanging on and are yet to let go. And that is before they lose their jobs, their houses, their education, human contact, hope etc as the mass hysteria drags on and on.
Shame on the Samaritans. I will never donate to them again.
Hi everyone if you haven’t seen it get over to talk radio on youtube and watch the Julia Hartley Brewer video that came out today its called pathologist mass testing in Liverpool and share with all you know . Clare Craig has just destroyed the p c r test .Basically they now have a new test which the army have been using and is much more accurate .It is proving that all the people put down as having died in this recent wave is false and if the people in hospital are tested again with new tests and are now negative it will prove the second wave has been a mistake . If this proves correct the governments case is over and so is lockdown .
I have watched the video. The PCR test has been ripped apart on this forum as well, essentially cycle threshold they run is too high(40-45), should be 25. But the liverpool testing is another big proof that all we have is casedemic.
With johnson about to lose cummings , the lockdown lies may fall apart very quickly.
anybody got a link please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk
thanks both!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPG8d3e43Xk
excellent interview – hope she’s right!
she basically says we are in a casedemic due to false positive PCR results. That ‘deaths’ following +PCR test don’t really agree with ITU admissions etc. That the new lateral flow test is far better and proves the PCR test to be massively flawed.
I suppose we will see a difference in excess deaths and covid deaths next tuesday. Of course lockdown probably killing a fair few through stress/not going to doctors with chest pains etc
Surely they will just say that lateral flow tests are the ones that are inaccurate and return to PCR for everything to get the numbers back up?
Just watched this also. It strikes me that this presents the Govt with a perfect opportunity to prove its case: use the lateral flow test on every patient in hospitals (who have already tested positive from a PCR test). If they all (or even most) show positive for viral infection proteins then hey presto they were right all along! Question is have they got the balls to do this? I think we know the answer don’t we?
But they simply just don’t seem to care about the facts, and will ignore this like they’ve ignored everything else, surely?
The most interesting point is will the government allow the retesting .
any idea when the will stop the PCR and just use this LF test?
When they want the virus to disappear after they have injected everyone with saline?
Is the LF test simply more accurate because of lower cycles of amplification Or is it that the LF test is randomly inaccurate and just comes out with lower numbers?
LF test doesn’t do amplifications – just tests for protein associated with the virus. More like a pregnancy test. I don’t know why it took so long to develop or why it is more accurate.
I am a layman myself and am only going by what she said .Why the test are more accurate i am not sure .My guess is tech has improve over the last few months .All i know is that if she is proved right then the government are in serious trouble .
Doctor calls it, stop using the PCR test.
JHB has been bought imo. She has had every opportunity to stop this shit show but has stopped short and pretends to be someone who wants it to end
I am not sure why you think that .She has just given airtime to someone with a respectable position who is challenging the government . She didn’t interrupt her or put her down and seemed to me to be in agreement .
Dear all,
I was wondering if someone who is doing this already might post a handy summary of where to obtain specific data from. I would like to analyse the numbers for myself (and then share) e.g. comparison of admissions or deaths by region on each day in various years. There is so much data spread around on the Gov’s dashboard, NHS, ONS etc but it is quite hard to see which dataset is similar to which dataset in order to compare.
Many thanks!
https://pandata.org
Euromomo for deaths across the EU
Good day, everyone.
Has anyone heard anything about the Danish muzzle study, and when we can expect to see publication?
Not yet peer reviewed.
Just like the Pfizer trial.
Um….
We need it so badly now that Biden is telling all Americans to wear masks.
Biden has no right YET to tell anybody to do anything.
And let’s hope he never will have.
What to make of arguments in No.10?
Rumours of a bust up between Dominic Cummings and Whitty or Valance earlier lead me to question whether the goings on could mean pro-lockdown advisors are strengthening their position.
I wonder what Carrie’s views on lockdown are? Is it Carrie and baby that are driving Boris’ government policy more than his official advisors?
I could be wrong but I fear the shake up might not be what I wanted.
Impossible to know what the truth is any more. Maybe this is all just spin and leaks to make us think what they want us to think. Nothing is real at the moment.
So Cain has left.
Is the Great Ass now lacking his jawbone?
The government say that they are cautious about the vaccines (while hyping them). But if ordinary people are cautious then are bad people or not people at all (“antivaxxers”) who deserve to be publicly ostracised, imprisoned, interned etc. The MHRA anticipate not being able to cope with adverse reports. This is the most nauseating and frightening political episode we have ever seen. It should also be noted that the Prime Minister was already planning this assault on liberty before Covid.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html
You can tell by the government’s patronising reply at 10,000 signatures in the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
what they have in mind. We can see through their weasel words.
Something appears to have tripped in my brain today.
I just popped out to buy some cream (can’t have coffee without cream) and I found myself looking at the muzzled muppets with utter, undiluted contempt.
Up to now, I have treated them rather like annoying toddlers, misguided perhaps, but not fundamentally lost.
Now, however, I simply see them as the enemy, as people who are just too far gone to save.
I’ve lost interest in trying to convince people of the error of their ways. I just want the muppets to fuck off and hide in their houses so the real people who think real thoughts and make sensible, considered decisions about the risks of life can inherit whatever is left of the country.
I don’t know exactly what the tipping point was, but it was probably seeing the uncritical drooling acceptance of an experimental genetic vaccine for what is now just another part of the common cold.
I need a holiday. Preferably on another planet.
Lady in the post office today with an approx 18 month old in a pushchair. Fully masked up, but nose exposed. Toy flute or something similar jammed in his mouth so that he was effectively sucking on said germ rag. Post office staff called him a “good boy” for wearing his mask. It was all I could do not to scream.
Bizarrely however, all three post office staff were wandering about unmasked, free to disperse their germs throughout the building all day long. No one questioned my lack of mask, although I do wear a lanyard as I am not good with confrontation.
Actually, it might have been the sight of a muzzled two-year old in Tesco today that finally did for me.
I felt like punching the parents in the head.
Tesco are becoming a major authoritarian player in all this. They require anyone maskless to wear one of their sunflower lanyards. It’s a form of branding.
I’ve just been shopping there and never got asked also there were three others in without masks and i didn’t see them getting hassled . Are you sure that’s now Tesco’s policy ?
My Tesco local is plastered with muzzle porn, but no-one’s ever said anything to me about my bare face. I don’t wear a lanyard. To me, wearing a lanyard is just like wearing a smaller mask: it’s still playing their sick game.
Yeah i don’t wear a lanyard either but do have an exemption card if ever asked .As i said i often go to tesco’s a large supermarket and no one bothers me .
It happened to a member of my family in my local Tesco superstore this week. I guess an overzealous staff member thought it good to harass her and ask to see medical exemption and wear ‘their’ sunflower lanyard.
Wow that’s pure child abuse!
My three year old wanted one so she could be the same as her granddad when we go shopping , I ignored her request.
You soon get used to the confrontations. I actually look forward to them now…there are not many other ways of having fun in lockdown.
I agree utterly. I tipped a long time ago.
What we need is another planet for the zombies.
My lady-friend put it quite succinctly when she said ‘I’ve decided I hate people’.
I agree – I started looking at the muzzled muppets with contempt a few weeks ago. I have started meandering round the shops singing “highway to hell” and “breaking the law” (even though it’s not the law), to myself. Defiantly making it obvious that I have a face and a mouth that is uncovered. I also say, I can’t hear you please remove that mask so I can understand what you’re on about. Utter contempt from me also…
Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results- margaret atwood
We are seeing evil leading stupidity by the nose.
I wish the shops would have one day for mask exempt people. I bet the shops would be full.
Or one supermarket in every town for human brings only, no nappied zombies.
Didn’t Anne Widdecombe suggest this too?
I just look at them now and shake my head as I go past them. One shouted something at me the other day through his muzzle but could not tell what he said. I just treated him to the victory sign.
He is another utter scumbag. I can’t stand his smug grandstanding.
One for the quotes section
‘Science should be on tap not on top’
Winston Churchill
Things are getting worse in Sweden. The cases are rapidly rising. Test positivity 1st Nov 8 % but now probably 20% as in other European countries. Deaths increasing but much lower so far than other European countries. Hospitalizations/ICU 10-15 times more than the nadir in Sweden in August. But they might still end up better than lockdown countries. Compare similar sized Czechia and Austria. They had the first lockdown with few cases and deaths. They both have new “lighter lockdowns” with mask but they are even worse than Sweden in the seasonal wave. Deaths rising faster and hospitalizations/ICU 4 -8 times worse than Sweden.
But all countries can’t prevent the inevitable in a new respiratory virus mainly spreading with respiratory droplets. Lockdown with freezing people’s movement will not work as a hefty part of population are essential workers. SD,even voluntarily in Sweden, will not work. Masks will not work, on the contrary, they most likely reduce SD and virus passes through perfectly in and out of masks. The dramatically increased C-19 in masked Europe as in the masked US States is an obvious example of a total fiasco.
Sweden has now curtailed sale of alcohol after 22 pm in a puritanical mode of theatre for the masses. Even mathematicians in Sweden now requiring “harsh restrictions to combat the virus”. Why cannot a virologist tell all these computer modellers,statisticans, pseudo epidemiologists etc etc that a respiratory virus is unstoppable by definition?
Immunity reached in the first wave will probably influence the results in the second wave but as in Belgium and North Dakota we might have to reach 800 cases per million before the curve bends down. Perhaps at bit less level in Sweden and UK compared to the hard lockdown European countries.
How does this stack up against tests performed? Any idea?
What about the context – what usually happens in Swedish hospitals in November?
Euromomo shows nothing unusual so far in Swedish total mortality:
https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
nothing to see in deaths as yet
https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/
table 1
Correct.Mortality still lower than normal.September lowest mortality ever.October not finished data yet but looks low.Any new C-19 deaths in Nov will perhaps not show up at all in an excess deaths.
And that’s the key. Dry tinder theory is all about susceptible individuals. Will there be enough to see this wave overrun their health service?
Yep – nothing to see here really
I can remember when sCaReY graphs from Euromomo were all the rage. Funny how you don’t see those anymore…
That graph looks strictly for the birds, describing the vertical ascent of a skylark, Swedenborg – and … language!! –
‘cases’ = PCR+ bollocks (Are the Swedes falling for this one?)
“seasonal wave” – an invisible magical entity – it’s the usual moderate seasonal rise in illness
Above all – mortality? – the only true metric.
I fear this “surge” will be used to begin the Swedish catch-up, the 10pm curfew meme is just the start of creeping closer to the rest of the world.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Looks like deaths are topping out at a rolling 7 day average of 13. Bit early to say yet but looks like they’re over the curve with highest daily deaths of 20 on Nov 1st
Watch Ivor Cummin’s 11/11 update vid. It shows the science. Facts.
But don’t hospital admissions always rise at this time of the year, in Sweden too? And are all these ”cases” (positive results?) hospital admissions? And are they ”WITH” covid rather than ”BECAUSE OF” covid?
Ivor Cummins on his Youtube channel talks figures. It’s what he does very well. They keep telling us here that ”deaths are rising” then we see by comparing the figures with the past few years that there’s little difference in autumn deaths, or hospital admissions. Respiratory illnesses always increase about now. And now that flu cases are being added to the covid figures, it’s hardly surprising that the figures remain steady – a few ”due to” covid and fewer flu cases than normal.
The words ”coercion” and ”manipulation” spring to mind.
Just a shout-out.
The video interview with Bhakdi is excellent :
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE
Really excellent. I got around to watching it earlier and it really gave me a lift. The Prof gets a bit muddled at times with his vocab (but I’ll forgive him because he speaks many more languages than I do, I knew exactly what he meant and it’s a long interview).
Rick it’s one of the best .That and the Clare Craig interview on Julia Hartley Brewer gives me a lot of hope .
We may not really have a pandemic with the virus but we do seem to have an epidemic of legislation as a result of this virus hoo-haa. Has anyone done a summary of the legal position on all this?
We have a Coronavirus act but we also have statutory instruments made under the Public Health Act, am I correct in thinking it is these that legalize the lock-down?
If this current English lock-down nonsense ends on 2nd Dec as planned does the legislation automatically revert to the position of 3 tiers that we had before the lock-down or is it all up for re-consideration?
Is any of the current virus legislation time limited, or does it all now just carry on until stopped by Parliament?
I think the case for continuing to address this virus via legislation is looking increasingly threadbare.
The CV act makes certain things possible, needs to be reviewed in a few months I think, but it’s the SIs attached to the 1984 Act that enact the restrictions. I think they are open-ended once they are enacted. It’s the use of the 1984 Act to restrict fundamental liberties that is unconstitutional according to Sumption which is the basis of the Dolan case.
Dear fellow sceptics – need help! I have been debating over some time with a non sceptic! They have just sent this to me:
”That’s the big story of the day. The coronavirus pandemic is out of control. Today states reported 144,000 new cases and 1,562 Americans died, the highest number of deaths since May 14. Hospitalizations are rising quickly, with more than 1600 people admitted every day. Texas has had more than 1 million infections, and has set up mobile morgues.
In North Dakota, the hospitals are at full capacity. To alleviate staffing shortages, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum (R) has taken the extreme step of allowing infected health care workers to continue to work, delivering care to those who are also sick. Burgum has declined to issue a mask requirement.”
Can anyone put what is happening in the US in some sort of perspective? Is this seasonal? What are the overall mortally levels over the last 5 years?
Well for starters I’ve got an average of 8000 US deaths per day.
How do they know all deaths are COVID? As discussed, the PCR test is picking up anything and everything with a significant false positive rate. The inventor did not recommend it for use in testing a population.
How many deaths had multiple co-morbidities.
Hospitals are continually at full capacity, it might be worth googling north dakota hospital capacity in previous years.
Regardless, do they have any idea of the volume of deaths caused due to lockdown. What is the delta between covid and non covid deaths. Put the onus on them to prove that it’s been successful.
Just a few points for consideration.
Many thanks
Also, show them this from the CDC only two weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/7x-biB_JrcU
Nothing we don’t know. No excess deaths because they are counting 90% as Covid due to dodgy PCR or for the kicks presumably
See Tony Heller videos on YouTube. He has published a number of videos dealing with the coronavirus in the US, focusing on the data and showing how it does not support the lockdown measures. In particular, states’ rights enable him to demonstrate this be showing that the lockdown states have had worse outcomes than the non-lockdown states.
You might look at the US based website https://makeamericansfreeagain.com/ and contact them regarding this.
Is he or she American? I would tell them that the devil is in the detail always with this stuff. Do not assume headline numbers mean anything. The burden of proof always seems. To be on the shoulders of the sceptics. Now we have the data, it’s should be to the zealots to show that indeed these measures are justified. Is this any different to a flu season? Are care homes being mismanaged and care pathways removed? Are hospitals sending homes PCR + staff and all their contacts creating a manufactured surge in them?
Because all of that happened and is happening here. Why is the US somehow exceptional? And yet now you are aksed to be an expert in their data?
The zealots pull one headline from the BBC and say “I told you so”, despite you having provided reams of independent analysis. It’s almost not worth the time.
I once had a debate with a supposedly intelligent acquaintance and made reference to Sweden, having spent more hours than I care to remember looking into stats etc. Her answer was to send me a link to a 2-month old smear piece in the Guardian about the Nazi Swedes. I told her to go away and do all the research I had done and come back when she’d done it and we could argue again. She never replied. Got no respect for people like that, who could easily look into it if they could be arsed/could admit they were wrong to start with/admit that SOME things that horrid right wing people say are true.
People who have adopted a received opinion on the basis of bias, prejudice, emotion are incredibly resistant to contrary arguments no matter how strong the evidence and logical the reasoning.
It works both ways! I’ve been accused of confirming my own bias regarding anti-lockdowns, anti-masks, et al by people who actually believe that SAGE are the absolute oracle of scientific truth. Basis= if the other scientists were top of their fields they’d be part of the SAGE cabal. End of argument.
How do you counter that?
I just pointed out that people persuaded on the basis of non-evidential, non-rational grounds are resistant to reason and evidence. Such people use a variety of defence mechanisms. One of them is projection: they accuse the other of doing what they are themselves guilty of. So pointing out that their SAGE argument is a logical fallacy (argument from authority) will just bounce off. They will only listen when they are emotionally ready to do so.
Not much help, I know – but isn’t it South Dakota that didn’t have any lockdown and is doing very well?
What do you think of the ideas to substitute for human touch?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/touching-less-heres-why-that-matters?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=Behavioural+Sciences&utm_content=12/11/2020+07:00
I can’t read it because I’ll use severely immoderate language. I’m not a hugger by disposition but I want the old normal.
I made the error of using immoderate language the first time I tried to post it.
Pure behavioural manipulation. These people are psychopaths. They want a world where we’re isolated and untrusting of each other, where there is little true humanity or compassion, where our cleanliness deprives our immune system of the every day battles it needs to have to remain effective.
Pretty disgusted by this too, but not surprised:
https://time.com/5818134/anthony-fauci-never-shake-hands-coronavirus/
I haven’t watched it, but I get the drift.
So why are we falling for this ”bumping elbows” tripe? Why not take up the old custom of clasping forearms?
We that will be the end of humanity as we know it. Most of us need close contact with another to be happy and to survive. Lots of older people die from loneliness.
“Touch will be redefined in the future”
Is their any human interaction these psychopaths don’t want to re-engineer?
It’s very touching that Klaus and the klowns are so dedicated to manufacturing virtue on our behalf. However, with every attempt at replacing the virtuous with the virtual they demonstrate beyond doubt that they are touched beyond belief in a way which is not just slightly crazy but completely deranged.They get very touchy though when it is shown that, more than anything else, they are out of touch with basic human instincts.
Touché
This caught my eye: “Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, believes that Americans should never shake hands again.” What a tosspot!
Didn’t he also promote goggles once?
Have you looked at the wall in the background of the photograph?
It appears to plot the route Dan took from London to Barnard Castle including the stops at the motorway services
No wonder they are looking so glum
Going to donate blood tomorrow and I will proudly sport my anti lockdown badge.
The blood donor service is desperate for stocks.
I wonder if they might boot me out?
You cannot be surprised at anything in these mad times.
Dont you have to wear a mask?
Yes.
Will you?
Yes, because like my fellow sceptics, I truly care about my fellow human beings which gives us the moral high ground.
PS: Don’t think I’m not tempted to say :”Mark my blood with the words: for sceptics only”
Stand your ground and refuse to wear a mask. If the blood transfusion service cares as much for our fellows as you do they’ll concede your point.
Authoritarians exploit our tolerance and compassion to attack us. A report that blood shortages are due to the inflexibility of the authorities is a victory against them.
PS: as I posted this I saw the absurdity of asking blood donors to wear masks to prevent the spread of infection.
No, I got an email saying they allow no exemptions. I sometimes get a little hot and bothered during a donation so was not prepared to restrict my breathing. So they are not getting my A+. When they start really run out maybe they’ll rethink.
Somewhere, someone in the organisation will be aware of the number of people refusing to give blood due to their intolerance of mask dissent. When it gets important enough, they will see sense. Meantime, clearly dogmatic ideological purity is more important to them than the job they were set up to do.
Sadly that is the truth.
Actually the tone of the email was unbearably patronising. I had quietly cancelled online because I knew about the lack of exemption. Got a phone call asking me to rebook and when I explained why I wouldn’t I later received the email. I’m not likely to forgive the attitude in a hurry as they brought the fight to me not the other way round. All those people who love wearing masks but have all sorts of excuses not to give blood can take their turn now. I can count on the fingers of one hand the people I know who are regular donors. That’s real public spiritedness, not wearing a filthy rag.
Sorry, turned into a bit of a rant…
No Steph, it’s not a rant, I’ve been a donor since 1974(88 donations) and it has got progressively more difficult to give blood, I believe that the service was partly privatized 15/20 years ago.
The percentage of people who gave blood pre Covid I believe was about 4%, I doubt if it’s half that now.
No – your ranting in this context is totally appropriate.
This is not even ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’ – it’s cutting of your head to get rid of a zit.
Didn’t think it was overly ranty anyway, but you are absolutely entitled to be angered, imo.
And as I occasionally assert, one man’s rant is another’s impassioned and hard-hitting truth-bomb.
I’m exactly like you — I have small veins and it takes longer to get blood from me and I get a sick feeling after a time. I can’t even wear a mask for more than a few minutes, so wearing one while giving blood would be a non-starter. My B+ is staying with me for now.
I’m actually a fairly fast bleeder! I just sometimes feel a bit overheated. I never need assistance but it could happen if I’m not breathing adequately.
Your B+ is probably quite rare is it not? I think it’s their loss and by them I mean everyone who goes alongside with the sh*t but expects blood to be there when they need it. Well maybe it won’t be and you’ll only have yourselves to blame.
I do realise the irony if I or one of my nearest have an emergency requiring blood but that’s the sad world we find ourselves in.
I think B+ is around 20% or so of the population, so not extremely rare. Perhaps I’ll call Canadian Blood Services and ask about masking just to annoy them. I’m sure the answer will be no mask exemption, so their loss.
Hitchens is a donor, or was. He ran a long campaign to get them to change their minds but they would not. The Welsh held out for a while then fell into line.
A very personal decision, I recognise.
For myself, I would be inclined to say to them “get in touch when you are willing to tolerate dissent”.
My younger son who suffers from panic attacks and is exempt from wearing masks has told them exactly that.
Yes – it is f.ing ridiculous that the profession that should know intimately the scientific basis of so-called medical procedures has been dragooned into sheer magical thinking.
Because I’ve had an immense amount of thoughtful, skilled and indeed, life-saving, medical treatment, this is one thing that truly upsets me – the acquiescence to primitive witchcraft in the health services.
I’ve had the same dilemma in health/hospital settings, where the working victims have to wear masks all day. I go along with the ritual in that situation, even if I bite back if anybody dares to tell me to adjust the mask if my nose is (as usual) in the fresh air.
The one thing that I’ve stuck out on in such situations is submitting to a PCR test – another useless infringement of the Nuremberg protocols and basic medical ethics.
You have to pick your battles.
What’s a PCR test?
But why a mask? Why not just ”a face covering”? That was accepted in my doctor’s surgery.
You do know it is actually private company now owned by the Chinese who makes a lot of moneys selling blood products to the NHS and others?
That’s another reason why I doubt I’ll go back even if they come to their senses about masks. The truth is it’s totally inefficient and you can’t get an appointment to donate usually so how come the supposed shortages? Son is O neg and can rarely manage to donate. Like everything else with the NHS label, whether owned by the taxpayers or not, it is a master class in inefficient cumbersome bureaucracy.
My thoughts entirely.
No but it doesn’t surprise me in the least.
I think I’ve lost it. I can’t stop laughing
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1326459652494643200
Philip Schofield and Holly Whatsherface had a go with one on TV some months ago. You do have to laugh at the absurdity/insanity. It’s like a covid glory hole.
Add them to the list!
Suitably derisive comments there.
The longer this goes on, the further we get from the fundamental truth, Covid-19 is not and never was a fundamental threat to humanity. The response is entirely disproportionate. The rest is noise.
Or the PCR cornerstone is kicked out from underneath in a court case. That would be such a reversal.
Exactly as intended, hence the political pressure for a vaccine to validate the narrative.
Indeed @DRW and hence the rush to bring it in fast before the numbers dwindle of their own accord and blow their story. They see a closing window and will get more ruthless yet.
I’d probably say ‘a bit more than just noise’ – I’d suggest ‘supporting evidence’.
But your main point is spot on – we shouldn’t lose sight of the basic fact that the panicdemic always was sheer nonsense at its very root.
I don’t understand the talk of specitivity and sensitivity in COVID testing. How can anyone know this?
To work this out, you have to test the testa against the gold standard which is right 99.999999999%, we don’t have one.
The only way you can check if a test is correct, is can you grow a culture of virus from that sample? I think it’s clear that insufficient testing of the lateral
flow test has taken place to establish its specificity.
We know that the PCR tests are being run at extremely high amplification cycles above which no original sample would produce a culture.
None of these facts in any way make a difference to government policy however
Masks: Have You Been Captured by This Psyop?
https://kellybroganmd.com/masks-have-you-been-captured-by-this-psyop/
Obedience
Medicine is a personal belief system
Has anyone taken a PCR test recently? I want to travel overseas next month to get some sunshine and with most countries requiring a negative PCR test result I was wondering how “personalised” the results are, shall we say? In other words, is it possible to get a generic “negative test result” screenshot that can be used whenever you want, or do they state your name etc?
If you feel the need to get one you need to say that you won’t accept any results if the cycle threshold was above 30 as the result is then useless.
Ask them also;
What the risk assessment situation is and:
What are the qualifications of the personnel administering the test?
Are they insured in case of problems – such as damage to the blood-brain barrier?
My husband had to get one before returning to Qatar. They would only accept a test done at The Cromwell in London. Test done, results sent the next morning so we had written evidence. I think it was £120.
The reason they need us to stay away from hospitals and our “heroes” at the wonderful nhs ….is because they have 60,000 members of staff OFF SICK! Chronic under training, under staffing and mismanagement over the past years….has led to a service on its knees! Sorry…..update! Today it’s 72,600 on the sickie !!!!!!
Off sick with symptoms or just a positive PCR test?
Both. plus I read that absence due to stress (caused by being overwhelmed by covid, of course) is at higher levels than usual.
And shielding. If all the obese nurses had to shield there would hardly be any staff left in wards.
Having worked in a large hospital A&E and endured subtle and not so subtle bullying the stress, anxiety and depression are real. Also having to witness the unsuccessful resuscitation of a baby, telling a pregnant 20 something that her sister has just died or talking to someone who has self harmed because they have been sexually assaulted all take their toll.
Yes – and I’m sure we all admire that. However, there also has to be the robustness to face these things if one is to be committed to a job. And not take time off because the going gets tough.
(And I do know of what I speak.)
Speaking as an ex nurse, ICU/ cardiothoracic and surgical ward sister- while I sympathise with the bullying the rest I find a little out of place, for use of a better expression. What you describe is surely to be expected if you are working in the medical or nursing profession; you are after all working in an environment where people of all ages are sick, need surgery, victims of accidents, abuse and some terminal or die prematurely. If you find such events so stressful, then obviously it is the wrong profession.
I was quite annoyed at the beginning of this fiasco, when nursing and medical staff kept going on about how rushed and overwhelmed they were. ICUs are always busy, and the wards I have run equally so, The media pictures of ICUs looked dramatic and scary, but that is the nature of such an environment, but doesn’t seem so when you are actually working there – the nature of the beast.
I was nursing for 24 years, left in 2000; maybe it’s that staff today, not referring to yourself, are less robust emotionally and physically to meet the demands.
I’ve been in A&E several times as a patient or with children, not always my own! I’ve received excellent care and cannot fault the staff there but my experience of the environment is, it’s a complete madhouse. So much going on and it seems to be an organised chaos. Just working in that environment, even without the emotional stuff, must be very challenging.
Should a vaccine become available, I wonder how many will call in sick on the day it is to be administered
how many of the 1.5 million NHS workers are front line staff, ie. doctors and nurses?
Night Fever ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op5FxEs1aR0&ab_channel=HDFilmTributes
Re the Canal Trust piece:
Woke people seem happy enough to buy cheap clothes from the likes of Primark, clothes made in sweat shops which are akin to slavery. Ah, but that’s different I suppose.
The Woke also seem happy to buy chocolate, which is produced by exploiting child labour, including child slave labour.
The Woke also seem happy to contribute to the vast mountain of non-biodegradeable discarded facemasks, that will most likely be choking wild-life for years to come.
Was it not the Woke who we demanding (until a few weeks ago) the ending of the use of plastics, especially single use plastics because they are bad for the environment?
Excellent point Mr Hayes – then along comes something which legally enforces the use of multiple millions of single use plastics.
You are forgetting its not hypocrisy when they do it, only when we do it!
If they didn’t have double standards would they have any standards?
A sceptical GP speaks out
https://www.facebook.com/anne.mccloskey2/videos/10216506219479636
Very good, intelligently made argument from what appears very much a left wing personal perspective, so likely to appeal to those ideologically resistant to sources on the right.
Indeed she highlights a national scandal once again.
The critical, from the start German doctor and MP Wolfgang Wodarg, who saved the country from getting vaccinated against the swine flu, has written a comprehensive article on vaccination and the corruption around it.
In particular, and in light of recent developments, he warns against letting vaccinations happen and being done on a mass scale, by nurses, army staff etc.
Any vaccination should only ever be done by one’s current GP, after a proper individual assessment and anamnesia.
link?
I’d like to read that. Where can one find it please?
So this lateral flow test thingy being used in Liverpool seems pretty accurate and just what is needed to convince people that it will give them their freedom back, a nice little test to allow everyone to go to the pub. A trap to bring in health passports and social credits.
Bin the PCR test and use this test.
Stop testing altogether!!!
We can’t stop testing because then Boris won’t get to think he’s Churchill, Pfizer won’t get billions of public money, Neil Ferguson won’t get to be on TV any more, SAGE won’t get to feel important, the BBC won’t have anything to put on the news, the NHS will have to get back to work, teaching unions will have to let their members go to work, local councils won’t get Covid payouts, Dominic Cummings won’t get to manipulate SIs for political benefit, Amazon won’t get to steal billions from small businesses and Matt Hancock will go back to being a non-entity. In other words, the pandemic will be over.
There will be a considerable paucity of ‘news’ if Mr Trump goes. Allegations and fake news stories attributed to him seem to make up about 75% of online content at the moment.
Quite.
But I buy a lot from Amazon and I am unrepentant. Amazon doesn’t force a muzzle on to me, Amazon doesn’t force me to mingle with nappied zombies and hear their moronic gibberings, Amazon doesn’t expect me to stand on stupid little foot markings, Amazon doesn’t pursue me with moronic slogans and bullying notices, Amazon delivers what I’ve ordered at a fair price and without fuss. If any of my local shops showed any sort of backbone I’d go to them, but they are all spineless compliant cowards.
Thats a really good point Annie. A few of the delivery drivers wear muzzles, which I find utterly offensive (the muzzles), but by the time I get to the door they’ve backed up or gone.
Their day would go downhill rapidly if they were to ask me to muzzle up, but I don’t see that happening.
The Amazon delivery drivers all seem to have started wearing masks in the last few weeks.
To round here
Should say not round here
Annie, you nailed how I feel exactly. I have literally spoken to store managers and put it to them this way: “I would like to support local businesses like yours. Jeff Bezos doesn’t need me to make him richer, but if you will not honour my mask exemption, which by law you are supposed to do, I will order what you offer on Amazon at what will probably be a lower price.” While I don’t have much occasion to do this now that I live in a rural area, it usually works. It won’t budge the Walmart’s, Costco’s and big grocery chains, but small, local businesses have been quite receptive.
I agree that small businesses shouldn’t become overly zealous and should always honour exemptions but they have been landed with a bunch of dictats that many have bent over backwards to try and comply with (under threat of fine) only to be shafted again with lockdown 2. Meanwhile Bezos, Pfizer and Tesco laugh all the way to the bank. It stinks.
Oh, c’mon Annie – small shops aren’t in the same position as the predatory Amazon.
No, but they are in a position to show a bit of courage, which they just will not do. On the contrary, they out-herod Herod. There’s a small shop in Tenby with a notice in the window ordering its
victimscustomers to wear their nappies CORRECTLY, and I’m really, really looking forward to seeing it go bust.I have seen one shop with a sign up saying they have had to close for lockdown due to govt dictat and they are sorry for that. They said Johnson is an arse wipe. If only more small businesses showed the same bollocks.
I agree Annie. At the start I did try to support small local businesses but I’ve found them to be the worst for enforcing masks and some are really arsey about exemptions so if they want to go bust let them.
Personally I would take the test if it stopped all this madness, the masks, the lockdown, the distancing, the incessant bullshit churning. An hour of my time, for no downside to myself, if I came back positive, get a re-test, its almost certainly going to be false.
Now vaccines, thats a whole different matter, no way, would not accept an injection willingly under any circumstances. I was born around the time of phalidomide, it was deemed safe.
I know where you’re coming from, Kev, but it wouldn’t stop the madness. They won’t let it stop. If the tests don’t give the results they want they will move on from them, or just revert to telling us that this is only the calm before the next wave so nothing can change.
Mass testing perpetuates the idea that covid is a Big Thing about which Something Must Be Done
Problem-Reaction-Solution: it’s a classic power-grab technique used since the days of cave men, probably.
Yeah I know, but if that was all it took to return life to real normal I would do it.
I have zero faith in anything any politician or media whore says, or anyone claiming to be public health.
Won’t do it for any other reason, if you need a test to tell you you’re ill, how mild must that illness be?
Resist every step of the way
Thing is, Kev, it isn’t ‘life as normal’ if it’s dependent on the magical thinking around testing.
better still, stop testing healthy people!!!
Absolutely, only use any test to confirm a proper clinical diagnosis for the symptoms that present
confirm every death with the LF and we can see how many are fake
I was out for a walk today and happened to walk past many groups of youngsters on their way home. About half masked, more girls than boys.
Me: Why are you wearing that mask?
Child: Because we are so crowded in school that we need to keep the virus down
Me: Oh but a mask makes more germs it doesn’t make less germs
Child: ?
Me: In the mask itself it allows bacteria to grow, so you end up with more. Also you should be breathing the waste products out into the fresh air instead it’s going back into your lungs and into your brain (etc). They shouldn’t be telling you to wear these things.
Child responses varied between blanking, possibly listening, and real concern.
Urged them to research online for themselves. You children need to be saying no to this. It’s your life and you should be free to sing and dance ….
They were far less brainwashed than most adults I talk to.
Surely getting the children to pushback themselves is a good way to go? Unfortunately I’d forgotten my leaflet which mentions Margareta Griesz-Brisson
You need to distinguish between viruses, bacteria, and ‘germs’. Otgerwise you’re on parallel lines that will never meet.
Try pointing out that the virus us so tiny it passes through the gob nappy as easily as a mosquito passes through a chain link fence.
And tell them that there is no evidence whatsoever for outdoor transmission.
THEN you can tell them how good the gob nappy is for breeding bacteria. And tell them that whereas they are virtually immune from covid, they are highly susceptible to a vast range of bacterial infections, starting with ‘maskne’
Not really. I’m responding to the individual I’m talking to, and within the time available, not working to a script.
The emotional connection is more important than the logic, to encourage them to think and research for themselves.
That reminds me of a conversation I had with some schoolboys who flagged me down in London to warn me that ‘cycling without a helmet is very dangerous’. I told them to do some research!
Why do people accost strangers to tell them that they should be wearing a cycle helmet?
I presume they were told it at school and were concerned that somebody was not ‘following orders’. They were perfectly polite about it.
Blimey, you must cycle in some dead posh areas. When male teens tried to flag me down it wasn’t to give me safety advice.
It was in Hampstead Garden Suburb, London NW11, so I was not overly worried that it might be some sort of ploy to rob me of my 35 year old touring bicycle.
I have had similar experiences from people of all ages, including young adults, middle aged and old people, both male and female. So it is not specific the school children.
In all too many people, the urge to busybody never sleeps.
It isn’t so much that it never sleeps as that it has been sown and nurtured.
Polite or not they were impertinent. That children think they are in a position to lecture adults is a cause for concern, and a sign of how far down the totalitarian road we have come.
Like the horrible children in 1894, trained to spy on and denounce their parents.
No doubt that’s already happening here in Airstrip One.
Tom Woods is excellent in the Covid Cult (about 19min). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o
Also see what happened to all the graphs the facemarks were introduced
Also a free downloadable book: Your Facebook Friends are Wrong About the Lockdown https://wrongaboutlockdown.com
Tom Woods is amazing! I’ve watched all of his videos since Covid and am on his mailing list. Looks like he has done some great podcasts as well, a recent one being with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, one of the Great Barrington Declaration signatories.
I suppose the lateral flow test would be less easy to rig. result is +ve or -ve
for PCR – cowboy testing companies just up the cycles – keep the +ves flowing and the work coming in. they don’t have to report it. who cares? sloppy methods, poorly trained staff, cycles of 50 so that someone coughing in the same town 2 weeks ago gives a +ve result. might work great in the lab where it gets signed off – but in the field?
so the cynic in me would say they have switched tests on purpose so they can justify that the lockdowns lowered cases
Vibrant sustainability.
Utter tripe
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54916679
Point 1: they don’t mention deaths, wonder why not?
Point 2: that short sharp shock really worked, didn’t it?
BAME to be prioritised for the vaccine, so it is said.
Now that’s good news.
It is for us unregenerate whities!
Imagine the recriminations if this vaccine ends up with severe side effects. ‘It was deliberately targeted at the BAME community’
Indeed. Having their cake and eating it as well was never a problem for the pc left.
Perhaps they lack my Neanderthal genes?
Pigmentation reduces Vit D production in the skin. In UK we should all be taking Vit D as there’s not enough sun in the winter. Those who died of Covid were noticeably deficient in Vit D.
Unlike Germany.
Racial discrimination surely??
On Track & Trace…. I know the Gov are getting a lot of criticism from all directions about this. And I agree it’s been a shit show and a complete waste of £16bn. But I actually feel hopeful and optimistic when I see figures cited such as only 48% of contacts successfully contacted. It’s clearly not a capacity issue since their workers are at a loose end. I believe it’s genuinely because half of people are deliberately giving false details and/or not avoiding all attempts at complying by not even answering the phone calls. That’s a brilliant sign! There’s so many more skeptics out there than we know about – the rhetoric has just made them too scared to admit it because they’re scared of being branded Granny Killers. It’s just like the Soviet Union – everyone knew it was a disaster but you couldn’t do anything as there was potentially great personal cost. But when it started to crumble…it collapsed completely quite quickly.
It could be people giving false names and addresses. I think it’s just more likely that the track ‘n’ trace workers are themselves hopeless – rushed into the job quickly without proper qualifications or training – and are probably spending more time on trans-awareness courses etc than actual work.
With regard to that image above of the vaccination certificate. That is a yellow fever one and so there is a precedent for not being allowed to travel without immunisation. I have an identical one next to me now but haven’t got a clue how to post a picture. Yellow fever and covid are very different diseases and I think having a certificate of covid vaccination to travel would be ridiculous.
Yeah it could be a bit of an overreaction to that image. I’ve had a vaccination “passport” since 2002 containing the dates, batch numbers and Dr’s stamps to certify that I’ve had certain jabs because as you say, you simply can’t enter some countries without one.
I’m sorry to announce that my mum died early this morning. She had a long term
condition, and at the end was sleeping all the time on very strong medication.
Thankfully she didn’t suffer too much from Lockdown 2 and wasn’t a victim of it. I am also grateful that she is free from all of this shit now.
As sad as it is personally, death is inevitable. All the “saving lives” propaganda is based on instilling an immature attitude that it can and must be avoided completely and belief that stupid diktat compliance actually does this. I mean it’s funny how you never get daily all-cause or even top 10 cause death numbers in the MSN, that might instill some sense of proportion in the masses. No only covid deaths, the great majority that just had a 28 day prior positive test, are the only ones that count. We must appease the great covid devil at all costs.
Hugs
My thoughts and prayers are with you, DRW.
Sorry to hear of your loss. Condolences.
So sorry, DRW. Sending you love and kind thoughts. We are always here for you to help in any way we can.
Condolences. You appear to have a healthy and mature general altitude to it, but I know from experience these things still hurt.
My parents both died during the past few years, and I like to contemplate that they lived to see their grandchildren grow up and went in the natural order, before any of their children. I hope the same will be true of myself and my wife.
So sorry to hear that news DRW. My father suffered a very debilitating stroke in 2017 and I was grateful when he developed hospital acquired pneumonia and slipped away in no pain.
Thoughts are with you during this horrible time.
Sending love and hugs.
I’m so sorry for your loss DRW. You seem like a very strong person with a balanced attitude towards it all and I am sending love and healing thoughts your way.
Very sorry for your loss. I’m glad Lockdown2 did not impact her final days.
I was strangely relieved that my mother had died shortly before this all started. God knows what impact it would have had on her.
So sorry for your loss DRW. Sending hugs
Sorry for your loss DRW.
My thoughts & prayers are with you & your family.
Arnie.
My condolences, DRW.
Thinking of you, it is always a hard time regardless of circumstances. X
Sorry to hear that.
sorry to hear your bad news DRW. Thinking of you.
virtual hug!
My sympathies, DRW.
I am so sorry, DRW. Hugs to you.
Sorry to hear that , thinking of you x
Sorry to hear of your loss.
Condolences to you and yours .
Thinking of you.
It’s sad that your mother didn’t live to see us liberated, but I’m glad that she passed away peacefully.
All must die. The important thing is to live before you die.
Thank you for all your kind words.
Sorry to hear about your mother, DRW. Will be remembering you and your family over the coming days
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/covid-vaccine-patent-pharmaceutical-industry-profits-public-sector
The guardian is tying itself up in knots, struggling to reconcile the “vaccine good/big pharma bad” conundrum – They haven’t quite connected the dots and realized that this is a hugely costly vaccine with little real benefit…
The mental gymnastics required show just how shallow they have been on this
Has anyone done/doing a deep dive analysis of the hospital data that was released this morning? Interested to know how so-called COVID patients is trending as a % of total bed availability etc, and how the daily admissions/discharge data is going? Can we from this data deduce what % of patients are being diagnosed with COVID once in hospital (presumably after being admitted for something unlreated)?
Technocrats are anti-human materialists to the nth degree.
Massive increase in “cases” today (33470 from 22950 yesterday). I wonder where they all came from?
I believe testing capacity has recently increased
Ah yes, 377,608 tests carried out yesterday – the most ever. As you say, capacity is enormous at the moment:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testinghttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
But where? All the testing stations I drive past are empty.
Certainly not from Liverpool! Must have been being held back in the system, or perhaps, another spreadsheet error?
At this point the daily figures are essentially meaningless without detailed information as to where and how they were tested, were they symptomatic etc. Likewise people in hospital and deaths are similar without more information. How many excess deaths are due to lack of treatment for other things that has been essentially denied earlier in the year is another big factor that has to be considered.
The England NHS hospital data is showing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/11/12/nhs-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer-10-nov/
A week into a national lockdown, oh dear, may take some spinning.
Somehow or other it will be our fault though, not complying and gold plating the rules
Less cases =lockdown working . More cases =lockdown being flouted, masks not been worn etc
F××k em.
I think that interview with Bhakdi contains the best quick vaccination against taking any notice of ‘case’ numbers derived from the PCR tests:
https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE
They could just be made up, I suppose. ”How many do we need today, Prof? Right, just add ’em to the real ones. Nobody’ll know.”
Cases up 5.8% in the last seven days while tests are up 12.4%. So cases down in reality.
Some people’s employers require then to be regularly tested whether they like it or not but when will the idiots who don’t need a test realise that if they stop getting tested the government won’t have any ammunition to keep this farce going.
It’s folk going out on a spree when they heard a lockdown was imminent – that’s the theory I heard put forward on the radio an hour or so ago.
We could be locked in a lockdown here on! For as sure as eggs is they’ll be one mighty spree when this lockdown ends – so how can they let it end?
Cain but not able
Don’t know why the idea of an International Certificate of Vaccination is “ominous”. They have long been a requirement for visiting some countries. Today I think it’s limited to yellow fever, polio and some form of meningitis, but I well remember when a cholera jab and a certificate was a basic requirement for visiting the Indian Subcontinent and SE Asia.
It’s the nudging – nudging us towards a covid passport without which you may do nothing.
It starts with international travel, then limits going to concerts, then gatherings above a certain size. Eventually you are not allowed out of your house without being vaccinated.
Read the nudging
Yellow fever, polio, meningitis, cholera are NOT covid-19.
If they can make you have a vaccine for covid-19 before you can travel, they can and will force you to anything else they want you to do.
Its about risk analysis. Its sensible to get a well tested jab against real killer diseases, its most definiely not for an intested jab against a bad cold!
We’re currently in a situation where just crossing over the 21 miles of water to France is banned by our government, and even if it were allowed, the French government requires a negative Covid test. If they can do this, they can also make it compulsory to take a ‘vaccine’ for a day trip to Calais, or indeed anywhere. This is not the same as having to have a yellow fever jab in order to go up-country in Cambodia.
Not sure if already mentioned by LS (been busy in the garden) but this weeks Planet Normal podcast is a must listen. They interview a GP and she explains exactly why it’s all falling apart for everything that isn’t covid.
BeBopRockSteady asked me to look at some Norther Irish data. Unfortunately all the data is locked so I can only see what they present but this chart shows pretty well that admissions to hospital are falling & have been falling since mid Oct. It’s likely that 20% or so are admissions of patients from within the hospital, this would have increased over this period keeping the number higher than it would be if you were only looking at hospitalisations from outside the care system.
Thanks. Lockdown only came in 4 weeks ago and so if the admissions have been falling since Oct 15th or so, the lockdown can’t be said to be the main driver.
Hospitalisations peaked on 20th Oct, 52 admissions.
Thanks again. My local hospital has 10 ICU beds for a ward of around 250,000. Peaked in no time.
Ventured into Bilston today for essential reasons – sympathy and condolences to the wife’s uncle.
Anyway had to go for battered chips to bring back happy memories for Mrs Awkward – glad to report Major’s Chip shop is rampantly lockdown sceptic.
Even have signs up in the window taking the piss out of the Government – I did take a photo but unfortunately when I got home found I had screwed it up and could not read the sign, bloody typical – plus anti sugar tax signs etc.
Made up for all the closed shops, charity shops saying they re closed for good and covidiots in a masks walking down the street when they didn’t have to wear them.
BRILLIANT, just go back and tek another photo.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1326850417217703937
Is there another clown show this evening? If so, might that have something to do with the large increase in “cases” posted today?
Oh please God know. Can’t they shut their gobs for just a few days?
Just don’t watch em.
I don’t but they still happen and we still all hear the outcomes. However I’m not seeing anything in the schedule yet.
That’s what I say when Mr CGL tells me to stay off here – it doesn’t change anything!
Extension of lockdown would be my guess, but who knows. I’m also expecting some sort of announcement on Brexit being watered down as well, any day now.
Mandatory face masks outside due to the massive rise in ‘cases’? All they ever talk about are lockdowns, face nappies and track and trace. All of which just so happen to be oppressive measures.
16.57PM no update on the Covid dashboard. Is it me but when the figures are high they are updated around 4.30. If they are low you have to wait till past 9.
probably due to them knowing that places like daily mail have a fascination with printing a headline about it each day, more people will see an earlier headline.
It’s interesting how the facebook ‘fact checkers’ only censor information if it goes against the official narrative. I suspect many images on social media are official misinformation such as the case highlighted below, actually a rare piece of truth in a national newspaper.
Mum discovers fake coronavirus Facebook post that used picture of her in hospital
Jennifer Bone, 44, was left “dumbstruck” when she discovered a photo of her had been used in fake coronavirus Facebook post. If left her “dumbstruck” after a friend had pointed out the image https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/mum-discovers-fake-coronavirus-facebook-21891914
Whitney Webb confirms the worst about the vax:
https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1326910501369110528?s=19
Commies plan to tie the vax to all unavoidable gov services.
Her investigations into the Maxwell family are amazing. I’d bet she’s onto something here.
If it’s already been posted, I apologise. I have not had the time to look at the comments today.
El Presidente Sturgeon getting the excuses in now….
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-blames-scots-not-22998891
Typical standard answer ‘it wisnae us’. Other favourites are ‘it’s all Westminster’s fault’ and ‘we’re doing better than England’.
Does she just rotate those three responses?
Biden
5/1
Trump
7/1
The gap is closing
Where can I get these odds? I’m backing both horses. I’m guaranteed to make 4 x my bet. Me thinks you’ve got it wrong.
Just what I was thinking!
Oddschecker
Those odds are for the 2024 US Presidential Election.
I’d give bloody long odds on Biden being able to run for it in 2024!
Just got this from a friend.
Praying that is anywhere close to true.
It’s curtains for any freedom if the CCP/globalist-controlled Biden is installed in the White House.
Yep. On the other hand; the US could get the Democrat’s supposed star witness, Stormy Daniels – as Secretary of the Treasury
wow
The dems had to have committed massive fraud. Look at Bidens rallies, pathetic, just a handful of people most of who were paid to be there as he rambled on reading from a big screen….Wear a mask, wear a mask, wear a mask….drool dribble.
I thought the watermark was meant to be nonsense? Is there anything reported on Judicial Watch? I couldn’t see anything.
Some states do it but I don’t know if it’s all of them.
Use a VPN.
Put ti to any country but the UK and USA.
type in 82.221.129.208 into the search bar.
If ti doesn’t say about Peter and 712 pesos at the top delete everything after the last 8 and hit enter, should go to the latest update.
Enjoy the reading but do check independently – even the author says this, don’t take his word for it.
The 2 hour whistleblower video by project Veritas is frightening/amazing/unprecedented:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNkQ2nDQfc&feature=emb_logo
The media, big tech and global institutions have decided the narrative – as we see with Covid they don’t back off.
Don’t think there is a chance that Biden won’t be President irrespective of fraud. The ‘Darkest Winter’ is coming to America.
This is corroborated by two US intelligence people. Won’t say more – can’t be doing with the ‘conspiracy theory’ pile-on.
The positive side of high positive test rates.
Impresses upon people that viral transmission can’t be stopped
Presses the IFR into the ground.
Eventually everyone will know dozens of people who were never even ill. People start to wonder where the dead are, even more.
In short. the planners get the short-term sense of crisis that they need from the ‘case’ numbers, at the cost of the longer term credibility of covid as a disease.
Conclusion – they don’t have forever to press home the agenda.
yer AND if little Jonnie becomes a case and nobody else around him get “IT” and he is perfectly well or just a bit under the weather…well the sheeple will start to realise in larger and larger numbers that they have been SCAMMED
Whole GCSE year group now at home for younger daughter. For about 4 ‘cases’
For goodness sake. Going well isn’t it.
Do you know how the cases are health wise?
Her friend is symptomatic- not sure how much
My worry too: they will be calculating that they have to get vaccinating before the numbers fizzle and expose the futility of their activities. Other countries in same spot will make same calculation. I think they will do the cornered rat thing soon, hence this rush December deadline. I’m very pessimistic.
Very difficult logistics for the rollout.
Not as easy as many think.
The -70°C requirement would seem to be a showstopper.
Electronics intended for military aviation are only tested to -55° or -60°C.
It is difficult and expensive to source the equipment for that testing.
Where will they get the refrigeration gear required for mass vaccination distribution?
140 million doses is going to take quite a lot of fridges. The only piratical way to keep things this cold I guess would be liquid nitrogen in a flask. Like how vets transport sperm. I just looked at liquid nitrogen it is at about -200DegC Would that break the vaccine too?
This -70 deg C thing, doesn’t it mean that they haven’t really managed to produce a market ready product, in reality. What they have is too unstable. Isn’t it like making a car wheel and then saying, its really good, as long as you don’t turn any corners or brake.
And then you take off the perfectly good wheel that’s already on the car, and threaten to imprison the owner unless he fits the dodgy wheel in its place.
Reminds me of Minder – “frost-damaged fridges and water-damaged umbrellas”
Showing my age…
Looks like time to buy shares in dry ice manufacturers…
Dry Ice is too warm, liquid carbon monoxide would suffice. What hasn’t been made apparent is how slowly the vaccine has to be brought up to a useable temperature. Apparently it remains effective for 5 days at normal fridge temperatures.
Would you trust your local NHS with a load of liquid carbon monoxide?
Absolutely not. Alternatives are Chlorine, Xenon, Radon, acetylene, ethane, Carbon Dioxide(solid sublimates at -78), Hydrogen Chloride. None of which I would want to be anywhere near.
Tonight the BBC will be reporting record ‘cases’ 33,470!!!
But once again they’re reporting the bureaucratic lag, look at the chart below, same tests, reported today on the government website. One reports the date the test was ‘recorded’, one reports when the test was taken. Testing by date test done shows no change, test by date recorded huge increase.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
The first week of lockdown has been successful then. Cases have risen significantly for the first time in at least 2 weeks…
Also, at this point in time (I know there are lags etc) the cases seem to trace back to Monday 9th by specimen date. There is a big spike on the 9th in England, but not in Scotland or Wales. Last Monday (2nd) has a similar even larger spike. Guess this is because people don’t bother to get tested for the deadly disease over the weekend – more important things to do I suppose?
Several workplaces often require regular testing
Jon Rappoport:
“And the government wants you to take the experimental COVID vaccine, whose “effectiveness” was designed to prevent nothing worth losing a night’s sleep over.
The only worry are the adverse effects of the vaccine, about which I’ve written extensively. These effects include, depending on what’s in the vial, a permanent alteration of your genetic makeup, or an auto-immune cascade, in which the body attacks itself.”
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/11/covid-vaccine-revelation-sinks-like-a-stone-disappears/
I imagine they have seen the ONS figures for tomorrow are down on last week, just like the KCL figures and they have miraculously found another 10,000 positive tests.
Anyone seen this?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1240765102974640&id=100011234868336
what is it? A summary is always helpful, please
The title of the video is – CAROLINE STEPHENS: CAROLINE REVEALS THE CONTENTS OF 2 ‘SECRET’ ZOOM MEETINGS FROM MAY 2020-11-11-2 https://www.bitchute.com/video/Av3144SbKfYK/
Personally sceptical, but common purpose does unfortunately seems to brainwash people into doing anything.
Me too – why I wanted to canvas some opinion from you sane people (well mostly)
Lady called Caroline Stephens talking about a meeting between Deloitte and officials about social credit system which can now be rolled out.
Not into 5G stuff but that is only the enabling part.
Agree the 5G / Covid link is just information injected by the establishment to discredit and distract the anti-lockdown movement. 5G just enables better technological surveillance and eventually digital currencies.
It enables the internet of things which the WEF are pushing
I’ve been deeply suspicious of 5G because I cannot see any ordinary need for it, and yet to question it is to be dubbed a Conspiracy Theorist. There seem also to be genuine safety concerns that have been quashed.
It’s hugely expensive so what is it for? I don’t know …. are you people basically confirming that my suspicions are spot on??
whistle blower?
I know people that work at deloitte and similar places. they will literally implement shit like this without thinking of the implications to other people nor indeed themselves. young and being paid a lot too so I guess that helps but having spoken to some of these people I would consider them devoid of critical cognitive abilities (though they are considered super smart)
Says on her fb page that she used to be involved with Vote Leave, unity in action & Democracy 17-4
I’ve just had a reply from one of the MPs who voted against Lockdown. It’s pathetic. Looks as if the gov whips have made him regret his vote and he’s maxing out on grovelling.
Good Morning,
I hope you are keeping well and thank you for your support regarding my stance on the second lockdown.
As you know the decision has subsequently been passed. Therefore, I will be sure to continue to raise the concerns and argue against these new measures, but for now we need to continue to follow the guidelines, protect others with the measures put in place and hope for good times ahead.
Once again, thank you for your support.
Take care and stay safe.
Kind regards,
Craig Whittaker
No MP, as far as I know, questions the narrative, just the polica to deal with it.
If you content yourself with that, you merely validate the narrative.
Charles Walker clearly does. Listen to his three minute speech in parliament from last week. Listen to how he closes it in particular.
https://youtu.be/8kF6F0IhzZ0
Not sure, I either don’t understand you or don’t agree. Charles Walker seems pretty bothered about those dark shadows.
That’s what I mean. He’s questioning the narrative, pretty openly, in parliament.
Doesn’t sound like a man very committed to the anti-lockdown cause. Bit worried he could easily switch back after a some more media propaganda.
“take care and stay safe”
that’s a spell I think
Always a sign someone fully buys into the narrative when they end a email like that.
Yes, I’ve had the same. This is the most feeble of the 11 replies I’ve had.
Night-time freedom rally in Leipzig – German media trying to make out this is the Neo-Nazi far-right, which is the opposite of the truth:
https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/uncategorized/amazing-freedom-rally-in-leipzig-germany-lights-in-the-dark/
Good news. Travel can’t be prevented.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/travel-ban-not-legally-enforceable-odds-human-rights/
I think if it ever got there it would go to court and be thrown out.
I thought all our human rights were deleted on 23 March?
On 25 Oct Pillar 1 tests were running at approx 80,000 per day. Overnight they jumped to 130,000 per day, now up to nearly 180,000 per day. What happened? Why the sudden increase? Obviously this may be partly responsible for the increasing number of “cases” seen. Pillar 2 has increased also but to nowhere near the same degree. Why can’t the government do something useful with this data, at least publish the % positive rather than giving the misleading impression that cases are once again “surging”?
The Weekly national Influenza and COVID19 surveillance report is a more considered view.
” overall positivity rates for both Pillars 1 and 2 decreased slightly”
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports
Sir Desmond Swayne on Richie Allen
His Twatter:
https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne
He would be “first in line” for the vaccine says Sir Desmond. Also he doesn’t think that DAVOS/GATES etc crew have any influence on the situation in the UK as he put it “they are not in charge”
Hummm
But he does speak wonderfully (although I appreciate you may not have noticed
)
I couldnt work out who he looked like the other day and it dawned on me – he’s like a thin suave version of Freddie Starr!
Sorry I digress
Bet he doesn’t eat hamsters
Or mask them!
Ha, nice one
I’d say Steve Martin!
I don’t think he can afford to be seen as an anti-vaxer
I guess most of us are not “anti-vax” in general.
I’m pretty fucking anti “vaccinate the entire population of the globe against an illness no worse than a bad flu with a vaccine little better than our natural defences”.
There’s still hope for you, leggy. Keep reading and learning …
Or even 9% worse
Riddle me this?
Government testing today reporting 33,470 positives from 377,608 tests that’s 8.8% positive.
ONS report 620,000 infected people across the country, that’s about 1%.
Now let’s look at that hotspot Liverpool, 249 postives in 44,000 tests, 0.56%!!!!!
A point to bear in mind about the first set of figures is that government testing is mostly of symptomatic people. The other two aren’t.
“government testing is mostly of symptomatic people”
Is it? Aren’t these largely basically functionally random tests for procedural reasons – entering hospital, having been in contact with someone, wanting to get back to school, etc, as well as door to door stuff?
From mid October these positives include re-tests of those who had rested positive earlier. No idea how many but likely to be a significant minority.
Might it be quite significant if it coincides with a stepped up increase in testing NHS and care home staff?
Yeah, NHS contact is saying now tested often ( although antibody positive) but hardly ever during summer.
Maybe some of those, but as I understand it, you can only get an NHS test if you have symptoms.
Dido Harding reported that PHE’s own surveys found a great number of people admitting to lying about having symptoms to get a test. Lots wouldn’t admit it! There’s no clinician there to check- and if there were they can hardly prove you haven’t lost sense of taste or smell.
Fill the room with the smell of your favourite food and watch to see if you drool?
This I really cannot understand. If these fuckwits that don’t need a test stopped being tested the numbers would surely fall. These morons are just adding fuel to the fire.
They get sent home for at least two weeks on full pay, why wouldn’t they take a test, especially when their fat colleagues have been sat at home, getting even fatter, on full pay for months.
Liverpool used different, maybe more accurate tests
Interesting read on HCQ:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/09/vindication-of-hcq/
Bolsanaro:
“”Everyone is going to die. There is no point in escaping from that, in escaping from reality. We have to stop being a country of sissies.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-need-stop-being-country-sissies-bolsonaro-complains-covid-threat-exaggerated
I love it.
Stone cold truth.
It’s what everyone is thinking anyway.
Every human being, that is.
Yup. Who knows what the reptiles are thinking of? I used to think I was a bit of a weirdo. Not any more.
The risk of only C-19 service
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-11-06/un-nino-de-ocho-anos-muere-de-peritonitis-en-alicante-tras-acudir-cuatro-veces-a-urgencias-y-no-recibir-apenas-tratamiento.html
Alicante,Spain.8 year old boy dies of peritonitis from appendicitis after being assessed four times at AE busy with C-19 and sending him home all the times
And this will be the problem going forward, deaths will be massively up due to people dying or other things (haven’t they already recorded at least 30,000 excess deaths just from people dying at home?). They’ll then be itching to make sure they’ve had a positive test somehow so they can include these in the figures.
It will be the worst “I told you so” moment in the history of man.
Rest his poor soul. How utterly tragic.
So, he lost, let us say, 74 potential years.
The average, what we genetously call a ‘covid death’, loses, let us say 9 months of life.
So, that boy lost as many years of life as 98 ‘covid deaths’.
…and let’s not talk about the quality of those years.
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The sacrificing of the innocent to the stupefying selfishness of the Corona mafia.
Evil at work.
You see, if they’d locked down properly and everyone had followed the rules, that wouldn’t have happened. It’s covid’s fault, no it’s the people’s fault, blah blah blah.
Send the story here https://pandata.org/
As Boris has said here, every life lost is a tragedy. This applies equally to a 100 year-old who is terminally ill and an 8 year-old who could be treated, saved, and then live for another 92 years. The world has truly gone mad. God bless him and his mum and dad.
Just look at this Telegraph live feed (free) describing tonight’s clown show. Do these politicians and “experts” EVER give a straight answer to a question? Just look at the response to the question about forced vaccination.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-covid-vaccine-lockdown-uk-deaths-cases/
They will never say anything that confirms or deny anything, as all they care about is whether it can be used against them later in their career.
What’s even sadder is the comments on the BBC article, my god people are gullible.
Apparently the word ‘gullible’ is going to be removed from the dictionary…
already has been
Why are they putting on random clown shows throughout the week now? Is it just to confuse us?
Apologies, I’ve been away most of today and have only just seen the lead photo in today’s Lockdown Sceptics.
I reckon I could get a well paid job at No.10, I don’t wear ties, I’m follicly challenged and I’m as miserable as sin.
But are you prepared to take on Ms Carrie?
She needs to be careful. Bozo’s days are numbered so by definition, so are hers.
Good Man. He has my backing.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/police-officer-tells-lockdown-breach-4695215
Yes, a hero amidst the nauseating cant of the article.
And the picture of anti-lockdown protestors labelled ‘covid deniers’ … can Bristol readers all be that prejudiced, stupid and gullible?
Don’t tell me. Of course they can.
Being lumped in with the covid deniers winds me up no end. I don’t deny that it exists I just think the response has been one huge overreaction.
What a horrible “newspaper”. Another Reach PLC propaganda rag. They own just about every “local” paper in the country.
I agree with you, they are like the BBC…oh wait, they have BBC reporters on their payroll. As has been pointed out on here before.
I would have also posted another Reach PLC propaganda rag story from Manchester, but the bulk of the comments from the majority of the brainwashed sheep on the story were depressing, so I didn’t.
i live close to this shop – and seen their videos etc on local sites – bravo if he has kept the police and council at bay to keep his tattoo shop open – he has a right to earn a living and has a few kids!
Saw a bloke this morning wearing a mask AND a sunflower lanyard. Bet that confuses the door goons…
Best laugh of the day(sad I know)
The assistant in Tesco also had a sunflower lanyard like OH but was also wearing a mask. She told me that she had mild COPD and it was to protect herself, rather than others. Fair enough. It didn’t stop me telling her about contamination of masks though.
It’s a pity he wasn’t wearing a visor and gloves and he’d have had a full set!
https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/392567/costa-rica-says-it-doesnt-need-covid-testing-for-tourists
Costa Rica’s minister for tourism says the country doesn’t need Covid testing in place for visitors as its protocols, and those of airlines, are good enough.
Back on top of my list to move to.
Proving my point that these restrictions and need requirements for negative tests etc. will disappear once it hits places financially.
How many trillions of national debt and what unemployment figures would you say would constitute being hit financially?
It’s a nice, welcoming, interesting, enlightened country.
Yes, I have been several times. Currently looking at hotels for sale. You will all be invited to the opening of course.
Ooh – me, me!!!!
Sarigan I’ll come and work for you in your new hotel
I’m being made redundant next year from corporate hell so looking for new, diverse and interesting opportunities abroad…
Any inside gen on mask enforcement there?
They are not great on masks currently but word on the ground is that largely ignored outside of urban areas.
Costa rica is on my bucket list. looking for a december/xmas escape from my family to far flung beach/interesting destinations – seems pretty hopeless without having to quarantine on return. Now they have opened corridor to Dubai and Laos is possibility…not many options out there really…
That JPMorgan story is old, I would alert readers this is a story from May. And secondly, never source a story solely from Zerohedge.
Took my push bike into the local 1 man band bike shop this afternoon, used him before, nice bloke.
Anyhoo, have to book it in now as can’t just turn up like before, originally booked for tomorrow but he phoned me today has he had a spare half hour. Result.
Can’t go in the shop now so had to stand at the door like a jehovah witness. He was just finishing another bike for a woman. Woman turned up wearing a disgusting cotton mask, collected her bike and then rode off wearing it!! he didn’t even bat an eye.
Wheeled my bike in, btw he said you are supposed to wash your bike before bringing it in, it’s the rule that’s why there is a bucket of water on the step.
‘oh, I didn’t see that’ (I did and worked out what is for, just couldn’t be arsed to comply)
‘fair enough, too late now as I’ve got the wheel off’
‘yeah, bit pointless now’
Fucking hell, how the fuck is my bike a vector for disease.
Anyhoo, I crept inside the shop and had a nice chat, perfectly normal.
While we were chatting a lady popped her head round the door for a chat who it transpired was a neighbour, wearing a mask, fuck sake.
Bloody things everywhere. I was watching people while I was waiting, bloody fiddling with them, touching them, scratching their face.
I keep going on about them but I don’t understand the fascination, well I do but I just can’t believe how compliant they are.
From friend Toby’s twitter. May not new, but worth savouring:
Lifetime pub ban for Warrington MP who backed 10pm curfew
Conservative MP Andy Carter has been banned from some 30 venues in the Cheshire town he represents.
This is absolutely brilliant.
Problem is he probably won’t care and will go on to ruin somewhere else.
True, but it’s an example of a unified kickback from lower down the political food chain. More and more things like this seem to be happening, which can only be a good sign. It shows some people are not just taking this lying down.
No, he does care – he has been trying to justify himself, make excuses, and saying what he has done to help pubs.
I was just watching Tom Kerridge’s programme re. the state of pubs. The programme only goes up to just before the shut-downs, but it spoke volumes about the problems faced by just this sector…. and then multiply that across thousands of struggling businesses dealt a hammer blow by the government.
Horrendous.
Indeed. He wouldn’t make any comment on it, other than ‘I don’t care’, if he didn’t care. Even if he doesn’t frequent Warrington public houses, his poor ego has clearly been hurt.
Karma at its best.
The fundamental problem (i.e. the root cause) is that the average IQ is only 100.
Well, I am not sure about that. I know a lot of people who probably have 120-130 IQs who are fully bought into the narrative and others who didn’t make it beyond elementary school who know it’s nonsense
Being really thick doesn’t help, but a lot of the problem is more to do with laziness, gullibility, attitude to risk and death, selfishness, propensity to take sides on an issue based on political rather than rational grounds
Exactly, repeat something often enough and eventually even the cleverest of people will believe it. What I don’t understand is why people base their opinions on seemingly 1 source, ie. the BBC.
As Julian says, they are lazy.
They also want to fit in. I’m fairly non-conformist by nature, but even I balked slightly at a recent visit to a motorway services where I was the only unmasked person in a big hall with literally hundreds of dead-eyed mask wearers around me. Felt like something out a horror film. I can imagine a lot of people wear them just to fit in.
Sounds like a Lovecraft horror story.
Motorway services are a horror story at the best of times! Still one can’t really stop on the hard shoulder for a crafty p*ss, so needs must.
I work with engineers and PhDs, and to a man they are fully bought in.
Hey! I’m an engineer with a PhD and I’m not bought in.
I’m a ex labourer and I haven’t got a single qualification, not even a driving licence and I wasn’t taken in.
Thats why you were not taken in. You retained your common sense…..most graduates have lost that.
It’s easy to condemn … but don’t forget the fantastic power of the brainwashing that has gone on, with very little alternative within the media mainstream.
It upsets me, too – but I can’t just condemn people that I’ve known for years any more than the victims of other psychological ailments. It’s a bit like telling people suffering from depression to ‘pull themselves together’.
Were it so easy.
Yes I agree. The people I am most cross with are those who have the time, intellect and political interest to look into it with an open mind, who refuse to engage. But people who have been brainwashed are as much victims as we are in a way.
Yes – I had a painful ‘phone conversation this afternoon with an old close friend that illustrated the complexities. I won’t bore you with the detail – but it did show that the problem has a number of layers that aren’t amenable to easy resolution when different loyalties and sensitivities are involved.
I – like many others here – will never forgive the total shits that have created these tensions in society. I cannot speak lowly enough of them.
Yes we know who the most guilty are and they will not be forgotten or forgiven
The problem is they are rapidly losing control of the narrative hence, Stevens out 2nite with more gloom and doom and more faked covid death figures.
So why were you not taken in Rick?
I don’t believe that is true.
Plenty of high-IQ types amongst the Corona’s Witnesses.
I think tradesmen -plumbers etc tend to be more sceptical.
Thise who see the world through a screen tend to believers.
Suggestibility/conformity is perhaps the most important factor:
““It is not surprising that the ordinary person, in general, is much more easily indoctrinated than the abnormal…A person is considered ‘ordinary’ or ‘normal’ by the community simply because he accepts most of its social standards and behavioural patterns; which means, in fact, that he is susceptible to suggestion and has been persuaded to go with the majority on most ordinary or extraordinary occasions.””
Willaim Sargant in “War on the Mind’
quoted in:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/01/how-to-take-back-control-of-your-mind/
Well then, I’m proud to be abnormal.
Me too!
Ages ago, my application for an academic job in a university located in Normal, Illinois, was rejected. Rejected by Normal! That letter had pride of place on the fridge door for quite some time.
It’s not about simplistic ideas of intelligence or occupation etc. – this operates at a gut level of emotion and suggestibility.
Those I’ve come across taken in I would describe as a bit weak.
That’s probably been because their life hasn’t been impacted that much yet.
Yes, because they are familiar with real life. (Manual working class)
C’mon, you’re obviously so dim to really believe that sort of simplistic shite!
No, because that’s what I was ( now retired)
I think manual workers have their feet much more on the ground and they also do not have an exaggerated sense of their own self importance. Whereas professionals like vets and opticians etc are much more up their own arses and think they are much more important than the bin men and the building site workers who cant be arsed with all the mask wearing bollocks.
Dominic Cummings is a large and fundamental part of the problem and he probably has an IQ of at least 150. He’s still a blithering idiot.
The issue is that traditional IQ testing samples a narrow set of intellectual skills, despite its roots in the notion of a general ‘g’ factor.
Nobody would assess a person on the basis of IQ in isolation – it would betray a lack of intelligence
… and yes, Cummings is a very stupid and limited human being.
IQ tests seem to be mostly about solving little puzzles and number sequences etc. If you asked most ‘high IQ’ people to name, for example, five logical fallacies, I bet most couldn’t answer.
I can think of several logical fallacies that are very relevant at the moment. Straw man, appeal to authority, false dilemma, the ad hominem and the appeal to ignorance, to name but a few!
I would go so far as to say that anyone who knows or cares what their IQ is a muppet.
I’m sure Cummings’s is very high and he’s obsessed with it. He’s very much that type.
Knowing/caring about one’s IQ is the intellectual equivalent of knowing/caring about how much one can ‘bench’ in the gym. Most genuinely fit and strong people I know haven’t a clue.
He’s arrogant more than intelligent. Unfortunately he has stupid friends in high places.
An arrogant blithering idiot.
People who lead boring lives will also tend to be more likely to support this nonsense, especially if they think they have secure jobs. They won’t necessarily be stupid people.
They won’t care if the government shuts pubs and restaurants down if they never visit them and also don’t enjoy socialising. Neither will they care if international travel is curtailed if they never go on holiday.
“They won’t care” – exactly, they lack empathy!
Yes, I’ve heard quite a few ‘it doesn’t affect me because I don’t go to pubs/I’m a pensioner/I don’t go abroad’ etc, which is basically a variation on the ‘first they came for the Jews’ argument. I found exactly the same thing when I tried arguing against the blanket ban on smoking, on libertarian grounds. ‘But I don’t smoke/I want to give up’ etc.
No, it was 100 in 1900.
It’s lower now: the dysgenic effects of the welfare state combined with mass immigration from lower IQ countries.
Still 100. Commonly used IQ tests are restandardised every so often so that there is always a normal distribution curve. 85-115 will always be the average range taking in most of the population. Processing speed and working memory capacity are better predictors of academic attainment than IQ. But non of them are substitutes for life skills or empathy.
I do think people are getting thicker. I often think of letters home from young conscripts in the trenches in WW1. These young guys were in their early teens or early 20’s and apparently the standard of their writing was incredible compared to current generations. A huge vocabulary, eloquent, great spelling , punctuation and grammar laden with cultural references.
I think the standard of general education is poorer. Potential to develop skills and knowledge, if they are to be realised, must be met with appropriate stimulation and opportunities of a different sort to those found on Twitter or playing Call of Duty. Perseverance and rigour used to matter (now they are derided as middle class values)- isn’t the idea that success in any area is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration?
But they are the ones we are shown, precisely because of their eloquence. There were probably a fair few Tommies who were functionally illiterate and who could not write home, so they never did.
Ahhh … The good ole’ days!
(Whoops – there goes a whizz-bang …)
State education certainly improved things … but not long before – have a look at Parish Registers and the number of ‘X’s in place of signatures.
The daily papers used complex sentences and words of several syllables. All gone with the advent of the tabloids and, for many, killed stone dead with the soundbite.
lower IQ countries?
Steady…
There’s certainly evidence of decline in intelligence within the population, beginning with the election of Thatcher and continuing through a series of right wing governments.
Sorry – couldn’t resist alternative mindless generalisation
There has definitely been a decline in the educational system.
Yep. 40 years of the Tories (with a Blair continuity interlude) has f.ed it big time.
Now – back to the knitting …
But aren’t most teachers lefties?
Only if you’re into mindless generalisations.
What ring wing governments were these?
Lower IQ countries??!!
To me the fundamental problem is that people believe the media and trust their government. This barrier transcends IQ’s.
Dont be a ming mong all your life.
In my experience it certainly isn’t just people of average intelligence who are pro lockdown. I would also remind you that calling Brexit supporters thick was one of the key tactics of Remainiacs and look how well that worked out for them.
Anyway it’s unclear what your point is unless you believe that a higher average IQ would mean more people were sceptical. Somehow I doubt that. You don’t have to be a member of Mensa to recognise and love liberty or expect the government to respect your bodily integrity. To suggest otherwise is patronising.
Daily Mail: Prominent SAGE advisor says Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance have both ‘made mistakes’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942401/Prominent-SAGE-advisor-says-Chris-Whitty-Patrick-Vallance-mistakes.html
Replace “made mistakes” with “committed genocide”?
But overall he thinks they’re amazing and have done wonderful science over the last 8 months etc etc.
This site Pandata (one that Toby has recommended) wants covid tragedies, your stories of harm caused by lockdowns. They are gathering testimony
https://pandata.org/
Have testing rates increased this week?
Yes, per official figures
Have a look – https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
From the scummy Edinburgh rag, I think the bus passenger needs to get a fucking life!! Sad fucker.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/bus-passenger-slams-lager-drinking-19271713
I thought it was possibly significant that we were asked to shine a light for Recovery this evening because Diwali starts today.
Below is some info I plagiarised from my Jyotisher friend.
More detail can be found on the link at the bottom.
Diwali, is the Festival of Light. Five days of celebration begin today. The whole festival represents the victory of light over darkness, of the light of awareness and truth over that which is untrue and it is a time for re-evaluation.
Diwali comes from the Sanskrit word Deepawali meaning ‘rows of lighted lamps’. The light symbolises the light of consciousness, illuminating the truth of who we are and a reminder to re-commit to the spiritual and that the source of abundance comes from within. Diwali is especially about new beginnings.
Each day of the festival of light has a special significance, with the third one as the main day of Diwali – this year on Saturday, 14th November.
Energetically this is regarded as the darkest time of year and is a crucial turning point in such a significant time.
Diwali only happens in Libra as it is the sign of relationships and of balance and harmony, especially between the material world and the spiritual life. Libra is called Tula in Sanskrit and relates to a time when choices need to be made to bring about significant change. This is especially powerful in 2020 for Amavasya, the coming together of the Moon with the Sun to begin the New Moon, is happening at the end of the very last degree of Libra, which suggests that the lessons of Libra have been fully experienced.
Venus as the ruler of Libra represents immense wisdom and insight into the true nature of the material world through experience and although is often regarded as being about sensuality there is a purifying quality here as well. More indications that this is an opportunity to re-evaluate what is of importance in our lives.
For more detail about each day, use this link:
https://oraclelife.co.uk/2020/11/12/diwali-five-days-of-celebration-begin-today/
Bumping this excellent and inspiring comment. Thanks Helena !
HelenaHancart:
As much as I love my fellow sceptics, and I do, I’m finding the constant pessimism hard to bear sometimes.
I’ve done enough research over the last few years, and intensely over the last eight months to be under no illusion as to where this may all going. But these are all narratives, and narratives we all have the power to change by changing our thinking, and looking within ourselves for the changes we want.
I’ve had enough bleakness this year. I reached a very low point recently and it frightened me, as it was taking me to a dark place I didn’t want to go…and that’s EXACTLY where they want us to be, each in our own dark, lonely place where we’re easier to divide and control.
Let’s ALL stay in the light, let’s show love, respect and patience to those we disagree and are angry with. Let’s ALL of us stick together because we are stronger that way. We’ve got to show the way forward and we need to take everyone with us, if we want to win.
Yes.
An online forum is good, but..
…local groups for mutual support and encouragement
are better.
Collective action.
I am convinced that we will win this.
In my opinion it is all about a financial reset.
Any ‘Great Reset’ will fail, because those behind it do not understand us.
In 9 months we could have the worst behind us.
I wish I could share your optimism. Not that there hasn’t been any good news lately but getting the whole thing turned round seems impossible.
I think we have to find the good news otherwise we will slide into inertia and pessimism.
Sliding “into inertia and pessimism” will betray those that died to preserve our freedoms 80 years ago.
We do not consent.
We have to fight this monstrosity in every way we can. First we have to find some way of countering the propaganda. Showers of stickers and lashings of leaflets for starters.
Absolutely. I do stickers. Sometimes one gets scraped off (they take some scraping).That pleases me because it shows that I’ve annoyed at least one zombie. If a sticker doesn’t get scraped, that pleases me because I know it’s being read.
I don’t despair. Despair is the ultimate sin. Nothing else can defeat us.
This will end.
It’s how long that worries me, totalitarian regimes can last decades or even centuries.
Realism is important too, DRW! But one step at a time, though. Lots of things can’t be resolved in one fell swoop, but progress will add up over time and results aren’t always evident straight away. Did you see Awkward Git’s smoking gun FOI request has been picked up more widely now? There is no magic wand, but we’ve got determination and right on our side.
Local groups – called “Unlock London” or “Unlock …” wherever you live. I was at a planning meeting today and will be designing the forms tomorrow.
We have very little time: see UKColumn
Also, a link on here on LS today, I believe
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Av3144SbKfYK/
Also, Common Law action
https://zaidpub.com/2020/10/18/deliberate-stupidity-michael-obernicia-is-suing-uk-parliament-for-covid-fraud-henrymakow-com/
Request for help:
‘UsForThem’ would like us to draft the text of a leaflet for them for secondary school children, to encourage them to do their own research on the health problems from wearing a mask, and to start to question their schools and to say no.
Please help!
It needs to be concise and cute
How’s this:
Masks ….
They’re not nice to wear ….
They don’t help stop corona virus/covid …..
They do harm your health.
You don’t get enough oxygen
you breath your waste products back in
they are dirty and horrible
You need fresh air!
Do your research – get together – then start asking questions of your teachers
then some links
The dolphin suggestion is good too, perhaps a picture of a dog in a muzzle, to get sympathy for a dog as well.
Dog doesn’t like it – and neither do we
IMO it should concentrate on what masks do have some use for – eg, preventing infection of open wounds during surgery – and what they do not – eg, they can’t stop covid particles getting through. It should just be a simple ‘pros and cons of masks’ picture. You could have little cartoon bugs etc flying around. Also mention the problems of disposal of millions of masks (show a dolphin choking on one , or something).
The other day, I was watching a programme about the emergency department of our local hospital. It went on to show someone performing brain surgery to fit a stent. None of the staff were wearing face masks. I thought that they had done a study somewhere showing that where surgeons didn’t wear face masks , there were fewer infections.
I think that would be a good one on a site for adults, that just picks up the most helpful resources. Can anyone find a link for this one about brain surgery, please?
See:
https://visionlaunch.com/more-than-a-dozen-credible-medical-studies-prove-face-masks-do-not-work-even-in-hospitals/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/
This refers to surgery in general. I think there have been other studies too.
https://the modelhealthshow.com/mask facts/
Here it explains how there have been many studies that show that wearing masks during operations does not reduce the risk of wound infections. Despite this they have been difficult for medics to give up, and they can protect against bodily fluids.
A single bacteria cell is 2 micrometers or 1/40th of the width of a hair. Children would understand that a hair is really tiny for 40 bacteria to fit on. (However a virus is too small to be measured in micrometers so it is measured in manometers) you can fit hundreds or thousands of viruses into a single bacteria cell.
Masks are not going to work for these minute droplets!
perhaps the children would also understand the notion of masks being more like wishful thinking.
Perhaps the other vital point is one that was posted earlier – that we need to see people’s mouths and smiles, or we cannot know what they’re saying or feeling.
‘Nanometers’ sorry for typo and the edit button isn’t working,
1981 Neil Orr
Yep. You can find it here
https://jdfor2020.com/2020/08/1981-surgeons-medical-mask-study-concludes-minimum-contamination-can-best-be-achieved-by-not-wearing-a-mask-at-all/
As long as you remember that masks do not even decrease post operative infections.
The main justification trotted out for masks isn’t even true, its just a custom cos we’ve always dun it that way innit, cos its common sense.
Look at tbe linked scientific studies:
https://visionlaunch.com/more-than-a-dozen-credible-medical-studies-prove-face-masks-do-not-work-even-in-hospitals/
“preventing infection of open wounds during surgery “
There are studies that show that this is not the case – Vernon Coleman cites one in his latest video.
Thanks, now that you mention it I recall that there have been studies about this.
I think the masks in operating theatres are mainly to protect from things like unexpected sudden blood spray, rather than to do with any kind of viral transmission… also they take other precautions, namely surgeons change masks regularly, do not wear the same one for hours all day, and adhere generally to good hygiene & other handling guidance. Also I believe they pump oxygen into the environment, knowing people are likely to be (for at least a time) oxygen depleted.
I think therecshoukd be some stress on the dreadful dehumanisation brought about by the face-cancelling rags.
Ask Alethea to write it.
A few mask related quotes which might provoke some thought;
‘If you want people to love you for who you are, take the mask off’. – Quetzal
‘I can’t think for you, you’ve got to decide’ Bob Dylan
You wear a mask for so long, you forget who you were beneath it. – Alan Moore
“Don’t you know that a midnight hour comes when everyone has to take off his mask? Do you think life always lets itself be trifled with? Do you think you can sneak off a little before midnight to escape this?”
― Søren Kierkegaard
“We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile”
― Paul Laurence Dunbar,
You stare in the mirror as if you wish
to go through, your hair clotting with silver
water, to arrive safely under new
lights, to end despair and breathe the good air
of freedom.
Alan Dunnet
Seethe latest Vernon Coleman video on BrandNewYoutube
Terrific amount of help from every one.
Many thanks, and I’ll pick up Alethea’s post as well.
Teenagers are vain. Remind them masks give you acne, dry or runny eyes and dental problems which cause bad breath!
Vernon Coleman has a new and free book dedicated to the whole uselessness of masks
Proof That Face Masks Do More Harm Than Good (2020)
Mark Windows Live now on http://republicbroadcasting.org/ talking about Common Law. He knows a lot about it.
The adverts on this live feed is very entertaining too. Very American.
Not convinced his letter will get a response. But got to respect Piers for his efforts! he doesn’t stop!
Piers Corbyn challenges the Archbishop Of Canterbury to debate the Church’s role in the NewWorldOrder
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/pierscorbyn-challenges-the-archbishop-of-canterbury-to-debate-the-church-039-s-role-in-the-newworld_RMOuNtju6PSUHmb.html
Challenging Welby is like poking a dead jellyfish: there was virtually nothing there to begin with, snd what little there was us now dribbling pointlessly away into the sand.
The second half if that comment also applies to the Anglican church as a whole.
Just seen this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54920146
Ticketmaster denying that they will require covid vaccination. Guess they got a lot of stick for putting it out there earlier…
Phew.
Had a response from our MP about the letter we sent to him, following our phone conversation.
He tells us that he has sent our concerns to Bozo, Gove and Hancock and will let us know when he receives a response.
I won’t hold my breath then.
Sterling work, Margaret! You can take a horse to water….
From the Telegraph:
World saw nearly 10 million cases of measles last year, WHO figures showThe death toll from measles rocketed by 50 per cent between 2016 and 2019 and last year the number of reported cases hit the highest figure in 23 years, according to annual estimates.
The figures show that 207,500 people – mainly children – died from the infectious disease in 2019, up from 140,000 the previous year.
The figures from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States also show that nearly 10 million people contracted measles in 2019 and are a stark reminder that the world is under threat from many infectious diseases, not just Covid.
Looking at the cumulative deaths on the government’s Coronavirus in the UK deaths dashboard, I was struck by the large difference in the number of deaths depending on whether one uses (a) “deaths within 28 days of positive test” or (b) “deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate“.
Does anyone know why the death-certificate figure is 21% higher than the 28-day-test figure?
I know that a positive test is not required for it to be recorded on a death certificate and this was pretty common in care homes early on
Death can be suspected Covid I believe
The higher figure is those with Covid on the death certificate but who didn’t die within 28 days of a positive test.
And only certified by one person under emergency measures. Not that I care anymore anyway. More people have died of/ with Covid because of lockdown.
And note the number of verified deaths from Covid (and no comorbidities) = 0
It’s a shame that Piers Corbyn seems to have a Twitter ban, I would love to know how his ‘Educational Meeting’ went today.
12 Nov London
Educational Meeting with Piers and others
Hyde Park, North Carriage Drive, Covid Testing Centre
(nearest tube, Lancaster Gate)
Thursday 12 Nov, from 2pm
Just seen Stevens is saying cases have soared with the highest number of deaths today being a record for covid. They’ve clearly lost control of the narrative. I strongly suspect it’s the flu they are talking about. What a shitshow!
What makes you say that Jo? Presumably they can just say that this is all because we were very very naughty all summer and there will be a lag before we see a positive impact from lockdown/circuit breaker/ tier 98? Would be very pleased to hear more about your more positive reading of this, though!
Charlie Blue because over te past 6 weeks or so ONS figures have shown CV19 has all but flatlined and there are more deaths from flu and pneumonia. It’s shown on their graphs. Now the MSM narrative has effectively turned against the establishment narrative and more investigative journalism is taking place regarding datasets they are rapidly losing the scare factor. I think the public are too getting fed up of the whole thing. I work in a job with a high level of contact with the public and as soon as i say i’m a real sceptic about all of this it seems to release some tension they have been holding in. Those such as the BBC and the Guardian are using words like ‘soaring’ when clearly cases are plummeting as the true data actually shows. So they keep using the scare stats but the truth is covid tolerance thresholds are taking hold too many negatives not enough positives. Fatigue about it all has taken hold. I have a very finely tuned bullshit detector. People are getting really bored with it all!!
Thanks, Jo! I find this so helpful since in my social world (not that it really could be called that any more) and work life zealotry is still the order of the day and my views are met with patronising pity or anger. None of those people would dream of breaking free from the BBC. I really want to hear the details when there are green shoots that I can’t see for myself.
Yes Telford zombies everywhere in my experience.
They are evidently getting tired of it all but we somehow need to get them sceptical.
At work (a large company) back in March, I was the only sceptical voice as we entered lockdown. Now, the sceptical position is the majority view and my view is listened to. It’s not come all the way across, but a big, big advance on what it was!
It may sound callous but I would say so what? what age were all these deaths? every now and then something comes along and the elderly and the vulnerable are susceptible, sad but that is what happens. Nobody lives forever, we cannot cheat the grim reaper.
It is foolish and self destructive to lock us all down and destroy society in order to try and pretend that nobody ever has to die. Especially as these lock-downs do not seem to have any impact.
If people under 60 were dying in large numbers then maybe drastic action needed but as it is???????
Am I a heartless monster or a realist?
The latter, of course.
The fact that deaths outside the old-age range are rare is demonstrated by the way the MSN shriek hysterically on the few occasions when a younger person’s death is attributed to Covvie.
Practical realist.
Yes you are a heartless monster! All lives matter even if you are 120 and can barely move anymore. What on earth could be wrong with destroying the economy,the health care system,education,culture,sport etc etc etc to save this person until the end of the week?
NHS England stats for November 12 tell a different story.
Huh? Deaths are slightly lower than yesterday aren’t they?
563 deaths posted on Worldometers today, against a high of 1,166 deaths on April 21st.
Vaccines are just like masks! They HELP getting people together and united!
Take it away, I feel sick.
What’s the fucking point of wearing fucking masks?! Really, why?
Other that signifying to me that they are a potential target
C’m on man, you know the thing – the liberty to be masked.
Mask Poisoning
Today I’ve been at work all day, teaching seminars in which all the students are masked.
Between seminars, I move through a campus virtually deserted; occasionally an odd figure emerges from a doorway or crosses a square of grass; each such figure is masked. I see no evidence of anyone else teaching in person. There may be other hold-outs for normality scattered across the university, but if so they – we – are a tiny minority.
I eat lunch on my own in my office; afterwards, I go to the nearby cafe for coffee. Usually in term-time it would be crowded, with a complex queue for different counters and tills. Nowadays it’s empty. I sail in, calling hello to the nice man behind the counter (he is masked; new to the job this autumn, he has never shown his face to me).
Teaching university seminars in which every student is masked is a strange experience. It’s a humanities subject, so the point of a seminar is to explore ideas in a group. It requires quite a high level of mutual confidence and trust, if students are to be willing, let alone keen, to share unformed thoughts and risk revealing a lack of understanding or a difficulty in interpreting some aspect of the material at hand.
What is the basis for such pro-social trust and confidence? Self-expression and mutual recognition: the experience of making one’s presence known and being acknowledged, and acknowledging others, in return. ‘Social distancing’ and mandatory mask-wearing intervene in the vectors of these experiences; seeking to halt transmission of the virus is coterminous with an attack on the routes of social and interpersonal exchange that constitute group and community existence.
I believe in the social, psychological and spiritual importance of embodied presence, so I want to continue teaching in person. But it is difficult to teach groups of students set 2m apart from each other, their faces covered. How are they to make themselves visible in the group, and recognise each other? I try hard to overcome these obstacles, and so do my students; none of them are withdrawing, they all keep contributing and committing. They all have my face. Sometimes when I’m reading a passage aloud, I look up and see a student watching me, rather than looking down at the text. I can’t know what he or she is thinking, but I think that if I was in his or her place I would want to take the opportunity to look at another human face.
But I go the whole day without seeing any face except my own, in the mirror in the loos. I last saw a live human face on Monday, at my ‘bubble’s’ house; I will next see one next Monday, in the same place. All day I concentrate on understanding what my students are thinking and feeling and trying to say: I focus on their eyes, but no matter what poets or mask-apologists say, I don’t find anything there that I can read. I see eyes; I don’t see an expression. I think you must have to know someone very well to extrapolate their expression from their eyes alone.
Eyes are to the face, in particular to the mouth, what zero is to an integer. Eye contact alone means nothing: it’s force without significance. With a smile, it is lovely. With a set mouth, it’s threatening. Eyes alone mean nothing at all. But I spend my day scouring them for information, any sign of the person behind the mask.
By the end of such a day, I am sick with a kind of cumulative relational malnutrition, or environmental poisoning. I go home alone. There is literally nowhere I can go in order to see a human face.
Nappyfaces are the opposite of people.
What would happen if you told your students to take off their nappies?
I might frighten some of them. Those who believe that we are threatened by a plague. It could not be the basis of good teaching to make students feel that their lives were at risk in the seminar room.
Or, I might be very seriously reprimanded by my head of department. I am an employee; I can’t make my own rules. The university is hardline on the masks question.
Relational malnutrition is the perfect phrase, Alethea. Exactly how I feel. You write beautifully. How can so many fail to recognise how desperate this state of affairs is?
Because we have, for many years now, been immunised by political correctness, identity politics, and the abdication of common sense and a sense of common purpose, against our own natural feelings of connection with one another. It is now abundantly clear that this current deadly fiasco is merely one more example of and further training for our descent into some form of publicly mandated psychosis. Thankfully, the ‘vaccine’ is rejected in a great many cases by our natural ability to recognise malignancy, allowing us to reinfect, where possible, those who have succumbed. Keep the faith.
Of course you are right. And I will never give up hope that the tide will turn
Have you discussed the question with your students? Do they know why you are free-faced?If they keep coming to you, it proves for a start that they don’t think your face is going to kill them.
The fact that institution supposedly staffed and frequented by intelligent people take this cretinous attitude never ceases to amaze me. Same goes for people with a medical training, like the two nappied vets who came to our stables on Monday. They must know it’s rubbish, they simply must.
I think it’s mostly due to the terror of the snitch. I know the stable staff think face nappies are rubbish, because they never bother with nappies if nobody else is around (not counting me). But when the vets were there, the staff were all nappied and mine was the only human face.
I am particularly concerned about young infants. A 2.5 year old will already have spent more than a third of their lives surrounded by people jn masks, including their parents when out shopping. An observant child is watching people’s faces all the time. Now all they are blank or decorated masks. It must affect their development.
God yes – the first child I heard, inconsolable, the deepest damage to their personality
A screen is going to be WAY more interesting than a human face.
Yes, will encourage deeper screen addiction. Add in all the events (fairs, sporting events, pantomimes, etc) they are missing out on as well. Very bleak.
As I commented earlier, before it was once bad that kids were getting too much screen time.before all this. Now we must virtualise everything cause they might get a cold.
I’m sure it must. The children are not learning the subtleties of facial communication.
I read a couple of years ago of a study by French child psychologists reporting that children who spent a lot of time watching cartoons in which expressions are stylised and exaggerated were growing up without these social skills.
The same is going to be happening now to so many children. And happening with knobs on.
Its terribly sad for them. So glad I am old with only a couple of decades ahead of me. God help the young with all the shite coming down the tracks.
Not much hope in universities then. Its going to take as long as it did for the Berlin Wall to come down at that rate.
Very interesting post, thank you. I wonder if you are aware of ‘Facial Justice’, the 1960 novely by L.P.Hartley about a dystopian future where compulsory plastic surgery is enforced to give everyone the same featureless expressions. It’s a great book but hardly anyone has heard of it, which is strange given the popularity of Hartley’s other novel ‘The Go Between’. I suspect it was unpopular with academics, critics etc due to political reasons.
As in the Harrison Bergeron story, where good-looking people are compelled to wear hideous masks. Masks are the ultimate leveller: nobody is human.
Ants, too, look very much alike.
To paraphrase George Orwell, ‘if you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a mask smothering a human face, forever.’
Society is utter smashed to bits. Incredible. Just stunning. Totally broken.
II’m not so pessimistic. There is a big elephant in the room for the Govt and it’s called Christmas. It is sacrosanct in this country for millions. They tend to the obsessive about it, over indiluge over spend and generally do it to excesd whereas in most countries around the world it is Christmas Eve that is celebrated quietly and christmad day is pretty normal. New year is the big thing.
Now I think one thing that will spark flouting regulations rebellion is if people are being told they can’t have their family Christmas, have relatives in care homes stay ovet and many other things.
The Govt are likely to fall off the highwire unceremoniously if they date to sabbotage the British Christmas.
I agree but the Government will just ease the restrictions before Christmas and New year and use the excuse that because of all the mixing,the rates have gone up again;to lock us all up again.
Follow the furlough
The masks are just vile, aren’t they? Vile. They affect me deeply in ways I can’t quite explain, but you articulate it well. Saying they are dehumanising would, for me, be a massive understatement.
I hate the sight of anyone wearing them, particularly friends, loved ones and colleagues.
Absolutely. Make me feel absolutely ill. At time as if I have literally been beaten around the head.
Alethea, sending you many hugs
I fucking despise universities, eager collaborators through and through. I will never willingly visit mine again.
Thanks for this post Alethea. It is a very good one.
Wow! Thankyou for this, Alethea.
At my place the students are ungagged in teaching rooms, but are required to wear a gag in corridors. I won’t wear a gimp gag, and I won’t wear a damned lanyard, so I have been reduced to making surgical strikes on my teaching room. I have a desk in a shared office, but after mandatory gags in the corridors came at the start of term, I’ve not been in.
I scuttle into the building like a rat. I teach in as normal a manner as possible. I scuttle away like a rat in terror of being seen ungagged in a face free zone.
What you are experiencing is an early symptom of depression it seems to me. I would try and find moments of solace by attacking it directly. Maybe ask a colleague to have a coffee with the specific request of doing so unmasked. Make it a daily thing. If they know your character, which comes across in your post, they will surely understand that such interaction is vital to your wellbeing. Hell, it’s is to everybody. Who am I kidding.
However, remember, your health is your wealth and you need to defend it.
Heartbreaking.
Give Us Courage
Give us courage, gaiety and the quiet mind.
Spare us to our friends, soften to us our enemies.
Bless us, if it may be, in all our innocent endeavors.
If it may not, give us the strength to encounter
that which is to come, that we be brave in peril,
constant in tribulation, temperate in wrath,
and in all changes of fortune and down to the gates
of death, loyal and loving to one another.
~ Robert Louis Stevenson ~
Mask wearers: the first time zombies have been terrified of contact.
I fucking DOUBLE DARE this government to turn this country into an apartheid state. We need to dial down the angst on here and online in general. It ain’t gonna happen.
Get to know Reiner Fuellmich, and then set to work to convert people, one by one.
https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20
Tried sharing this fella and this site and get called a conspiracy theorist. Will just stick to being strong and take what comes. What I know for a FACT is that once the clowns have been vaccinated, they will be champing at the bit to be freed from bondage. The country will be skint. There is NOT A SNIFF that money and resources will be wasted setting up the apparatus that will go towards making non-vaccinated people’s lives a misery. The will simply won’t be there.
Yes, they aren’t ready for it.
The only thing is to find out where they are, and try to move them on a bit.
Otherwise we make the brainwashing worse. It’s a well-identified phenomenon, that if you go for it from too far away, you merely further reinforce the brainwashing. It’s called ‘frames’
In fact there is an example here on this site – I keep talking about Fuellmich’s work and nobody responds, nobody can get their head around the fact that these criminals really are being pursued for crimes against humanity. people here just dismiss it.
What is the latest timeline for their case? The big announcement was encouraging but haven’t seen much since.
Oh they’re doing that alright.
Curious as to what other Northern Irish sceptics (or otherwise of course)make of the latest from Stormont?
Just saw Arlenes twitter clip….I think if she had her own way, she would have stuck to her guns about everything reopening on the original date, but had to compromise.
Just my thoughts and I don’t vote DUP.
Oh and I hate that she actually did mention face coverings towards the end.
Like yourself wouldn’t be a DUP supporter but good to see a party at least prepared to question the Covid narrative. Sinn Fein and the rest seem to think they are wonderful human beings by always upping the ante for more restrictions… ignoring the collateral damage. The magic Tory money tree can always be called upon.
Sinn Fein have an interesting few connections to the Pharma industry it seems. The source has to be taken with a pinch though.
https://freepress.ie/2020/10/mary-lou-macdonald-and-the-covid-19-vaccine-connection/
At least the DUP are pushing back in some fashion. Though they’ve only been able to agree to kick the can. What happens in a week? Do we have some big plan waiting to kick off? Na, it’s pointless.
I wrote to my MLA again this week to insist he push the local health body to publish their PCR CTs. Ignored again.
Northern Ireland has had a creaking NHS for years and is being found out due to a self imposed PCR staff shortage and inability to forward plan at all.
The level of compliance here is generally high. Some signs today of resistance to the torture. But just whispers really. The economy is shot, avaliable jobs in Belfast have dropped by half already in the past 8 months. Brexit looming. Its up the creak without a paddle alright.
Interesting link about Mary Lou… wheels within wheels. Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone…suffocated by hypocrisy and masks present and past
The good thing is that they have links to many of their sources.
Planned elective surgery was cancelled in at least three of the five health trusts in Northern Ireland this week.
The trusts involved say it is because of staffing pressures and the need to increase the number of intensive care beds for seriously ill Covid patients.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54921936
PCR manufactured staff crisis.
Anyone interested in reasons why masks are a complete waste of time needs to read this, well referenced and argued:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240649
Great read. Used to follow his blog years ago. I see he’s made no investments in IT since.
I’m guessing at a combination of caution and retirement/ doesn’t need to anymore.
Dr Reiner Fuellmich
https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20
Here are some ideas from someone on SORUK who was doing her own anti-face nappy education campaign. Her muzzle had SLAVE writ large on it.
Some of the ideas are easy to a try:
I tried a different approach and laid [the face nappy] on the seat next to me or draped it over my knee, at least a few people seemed to clock it
While I’m on the tube I’m busy sussing people out and as I get off I often just put a flyer in the seat next to my chosen victim, smile at them and leave the train. Most times I saw the person pick it up.
Next mission is to buy some chalk and get going Banksy style. A friend of mine does what he calls a ChalkAbout, and he says some of the messages have stayed on for weeks
The EuroMomo site is showing a moderate increase of excess deaths in England over the last couple of weeks. Almost all those excess deaths are in the over 75 years group, with about half in the over 85 years.
EuroMomo site uses national statistics over a period of years to make comparisons, its not easily manipulable.
We know from NHS stats that over 95% of deaths with covid -19 were people with at least one cmorbidity.
Given the findings from Heneghan and co about infection rates in hospitals its very likely the majority of these deaths are of elderly people already in hospitals who tested positive of covid whilst dying of other ailments. Exactly the same thing happened in the spring, but on a larger scale.
If people arewith covid are admitted into general hospitals with ward staff that move around wards and the wards are on floors with lift shafts , the infections will spread and the most frail in the hospitals will stand a greater chance of dying.
The NHS had 6 months to prepare for the annual build up of respiratory disease season. It has failed again.
Excess deaths as in a seasonal peak?
As in the same figures for the last five years?
Seen any data on excess deaths in younger age groups?
As said – forget ‘excess’ deaths : it’s a meaningless rubber-ruler term. Just look at the historical context. Euromomo is useful as long as you do that and don’t take too much heed of their decontextualised definitions of ‘excess’ when normal seasonal and yearly variation is taken into account.
Currently, there’s a totally unexceptional seasonal rise in deaths – as there is at this time every year.
Absobloodylutely
tonights BBC covid fest brainwashing (question time )
Handjob, an imperial college immuniologist, Lammy, a leftie comedian .
gonna be some really deep and searching questions!!!!!! .
i think i’ll have an early night
“So why do you think we need to lockdown forever?”
Can viewers not call/text/email Qs?
no . there is a zoom type video audience (in “normal” times a studio audience) who ask the pre -vetted questions and can comment on answers .
There was a programme a couple of months ago which featured both Gupta and Caldwell. This clearly could not be allowed to continue and the programme’s editors have ruthlessly excluded sceptics pretty much ever since
This is scary. Caroline Stephens talking about a meeting involving many “Common Purpose” people discussing the COVID scam and the next governmental round of insanity.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Av3144SbKfYK/
If that’s what they are up to you can forget trying to stop it. Nobody would believe you until it was too late.
Don’t get depressed. Get angry!
FFS
This is a clever doll. It gives you Covid stats! Click on the doll, then click on the doll again and we have Covid Stats, fed up of stats, click on the stats and you have the doll again!
That is a clever doll!
Sick
From Barbie to barbarity.
Oh – give that man/woman a banana!!
Cases have shot up by over 9000 today. That’s very odd. Has lockdown during the Autumn/Winter months (forcing more people to stay indoors during the flu season) actually made things worse? Mmmmm
Supermarkets are the superspreaders and during a lockdown they get very busy.
Possibly. But during the first lockdown there were no significant spikes in cases for grocery workers, or in deaths, so I’m not sure
Most supermarket workers are under 60 and there was no mass testing back then. How would anyone know? Hancock did claim there was a higher rate of Covid deaths among retail workers. I recall checking the claim and finding it to be true. Not a huge difference but significant. ,
Peter Hitchens researched this claim and found it may be explained by socio-economic factors i.e. supermarket workers are poorer than the general population.
There’s no evidence for that.
The evidence is that despite strict L1 measures, the death rate remained stubbornly high for much longer than the “experts” expected. How was the virus moving around if not in supermarkets?
The claim, including from Heneghan, in the Telegraph is that the rise is down to people partying before lockdown kicked in.
But does that reference the latest rise? was only published this eve
Are these definitely all tests performed today, or could this reflect catch-up reporting? I don’t find an overnight jump like that plausible
Then let’s hope it was – if, that is, these figures are genuine. Then they’ll be people spreading it and giving us the much longed-for immunity. Without the need for the Poisonous Potion!
That’s what I’ve always found odd – surely higher cases with lower deaths is good news
That’s what Claire Craig was saying on Talk Radio today. The relationship between cases and deaths is diverging significantly
Great. So cases were naturally plateauing and falling, but lockdown has got them back up again…
Seriously though, one day’s data does not constitute a trend. The papers aren’t fussed about analysing those days when cases are unusually low, after all.
Not ”cases” though, are they? Just positive (false?) test results from healthy people.
Well, we know more tests mean more (false) positives. And these 9,000 are healthy people – if, that is, they even exist.
These figures sound very fishy. And very convenient. They could declare ANY number of what they call ”cases” and no-one would know if they were genuine.
It’s very odd to see a jump like this mid week i know that
I am sure they are just throwing darts to get daily numbers. Same thing happening in Germany.
Tee RKI shows a lot of new “cases”, but they have a graph comparing day of illness to day of reporting, but illness is very low. Unless they somehow follow up on people who had a test to see if they actually have symptoms and then include only those in the graph for illness.
Media is full of how they are overstretched tracing people and are refusing tests in some counties unless you have “covid” symptoms. For example a runny nose sufferer does not get tested as it never was one of the – by now – 25 symptoms.
243,245 tests on Tues. 304,843 Tues, 377,608 tests yesterday. Exponential rise in testing this week.
mmmm, maybe that’s it
I’m genuinely expecting the next scarey Matt Hancock graph to show a ‘huge rise in testing’. Most people would just see the red ‘ski jump’ and assume the Covids were back with a vengeance.
… . which is why we are always left with all-cause mortality as the only reliable metric. It’s the one thing that can’t be manipulated.
But it kind of is being manipulated because lock down is killing people.
Where are they finding all these dopey people?
If so, it’s unbelievably irresponsible of the govt not to counter the “cases soaring” narrative in the media with an explanation and publication of the % positive tests. But that would be open and transparent so of course they won’t.
I don’t even think Sky’s Ashish Joshi believes it – and he is normally a sucker for the NHS/Government’s alternative facts.
Mmmmm ….. ‘cases’.
Say no more
If its the PCR test they are using crap stastics. Don’t believe this crap unless the good Profs Heneghan Sceptor and Yeadon say they are correct.
Good night everyone. Keep working. All day every day. We have to stop this as fast as possible because every day that passes is many more lives destroyed.
In the past Brits have saved the Continent. This time we are going to be saved by Germans.
Dr Reiner Fuellmich
https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20
and get our lawyers to work as well
and one person by one person, lead them from brainwashed death back to sanity and life
I hope we are going to be saved by Germans – go some way to making up for Schwab and Drosten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYzb5_kax8
Small observation today is that people really do want to exercise their right to work and add value….everyone has a right to work. Telecoms clients starting to finally wake up. They have been semi on hold since March. Telecoms fraud and billing errors (our niche) have increased during lock down due to inefficiencies of staff working from home and fraudsters planning/ executing ….that what they do! We are very busy now.
So much chaos in the system right now, the fraud going on must be mindboggling. But yeah, seeing plenty of activity for a lock down. I think they knew people wouldn’t take it as seriously this time round, the public good will is evaporating.
Levels of road traffic really don’t seem much different in lockdown to what they were like under the Tier system, from what I can tell. Whereas under Lockdown 1 there was a real deserted feeling everywhere.
If the feckin pub wasn
t shut, I wouldnt know they were having a lockdown! Still going to work and plenty of folk out and about.Interesting – who will win this argument is important here too. Let’s hope its JP Morgan – suspect it will be given the prominence of Jamie Dimon:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/feud-breaks-out-wall-street-over-lockdowns-jpm-says-no-benefit-while-bofa-sees-urgent-need
hell’s teeth – you really know you’re in trouble when jp morgan are the “good guys”…
Had a boiler service today – chap said he knows of masses of people in the building trade who were claiming their £1500 but carrying on with as much cash in hand work as they could muster. And they have been very busy as people had nothing to spend money on except their houses.
He also said he’s heard of loads of people who’ve had covid on death certs but not tested etc etc
Tradesmen certainly know the Truth!
Worth posting this again whilst we wait for Denmark. Study of medical/cloth/no mask infections in a healthcare setting. Very interesting results.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/
Could be used to ask searching questions of school hesdteachers and MPs.
It should be. The mask thing is going to keep getting ramped up, especially in schools. We must use everything we can to push back.
Very important to point out that the control is Business As Usual, including whatever death toll nominally occurs. So yes medical masks appear to help reduce infections (though not in surgery from other RCTs) but they are an additional measure
Took the links out so I could post this.Original from SORUK fb group.
More events this coming weekend.
Come and join other freedom fighters and say:
WE HAVE THE POWER!
Saturday – 14th November:
Bedford – 3pm – Russell Park (weather permitting) (Free Nation)
Belfast – 12pm – City Hall – Savour Our Rights (SOR)
Bournemouth – 1pm – Town Hall – Stand Up X (SUX)
Bristol – 12pm – College Green – Speakers: Louise May Creffield (SOR), Aron Walton (Holy Skin), Tony Gosling, Louise Hampton, Mark Devlin, Jonathan Trapman (People’s Union of Britain), Piers Corbyn (Stop New Normal), Sandi Adams – Singer: Daz Nez – Stick your NWO song (SUX)
Cornwall – 1pm – Outside Truro Cathedral – Speaker: Double L MC
1) Liverpool – 1pm – Sefton Park (By the lake) #WeAreStrongTogether
2) Liverpool – 1pm – St Georges Hall #saveourcity
Norwich – 1pm – Chapelfield Gardens (SUX)
Nottingham – 1pm – Market Square by the Lions #MidlandsFreedomGatherings
Portsmouth – 12pm – Guildhall – March at 12pm prompt (SUX)
Sheffield – 12pm – Town Hall Peace Gardens (SUX)
Wolverhampton – 1pm – Outside Civic Centre – Speakers: Gareth Icke, Jeff Wyatt – Singer: Fallon (People’s Freedom alliance)
York – 11am – St Sampsons Square (If no rain) (Free Nation)
Sunday 15th November:
London – 12pm – Speakers Corner, Electric Boogaloo
Newport – 2pm – Civic Centre – Speakers: Piers Corbyn, Sandi Adams – (forgottenheros.co.uk)
Rhyl – 11am – Rhyl Events Arena,
Post code: LL18-3AF
Everywhere – 6pm – Light a candle in your window to remember the victims of lockdown # LightItUp #LockDownVictims
All are subject to change.
Please check with individual organisers for more information.
(Individual organisers are in brackets.)
Please be safe and know what your rights are when attending events.
On the subject of damned lies and statistics:
I don’t believe “cases.”
I don’t believe “positives.”
I don’t believe hospitalisations for/with “Covid.”
I don’t believe ICUs for/with “Covid.”
I don’t believe deaths by/with “Covid.”
The new Covispeak where nothing technical has clarity. If it were so deadly, one would think it would be very easy to make distinctions right?
Good point. Corrupt language betrays corrupt thought. I’ve always been a Blairite – the ‘Eric’ sort. He nailed the way in which language is key to dishonesty and propaganda.
And i don’t believe avian flu either
I don’t believe in Lockdown-caused deaths being placed “on the Covid side” as demanded by the “creative accountant” Twhatty.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/GKWOUNpQXg7OLSZ
Since Carrie Symonds is now running the country does anyone have any leads on her views re lockdown. Her Dad helped found The Independent (Britain’s leading pretend newspaper) and worked for the BBC, so her home environment wasn’t good. On the other hand her greenery might make her sceptical towards Big Pharma.
Progressives and Greens are not hostile to Big Pharma. On the contrary, they’re very much into medicine and transhumanism.
Depends. Can go either way. The people we fought in WW2 were v green by the standards of the time and were strong supporters of animal welfare, as is Carrie! Lots of greens do distrust Big Pharma and restrictions on individual liberty.
Whatever your precise views, the ‘Green’ agenda in its many forms addresses a real set of problems.
Don’t mix it up with the Covid agenda which addresses no real problem. THe hobby-horse riding on the back of Covid plays straight into the hands of 77th Brigade.
I’d be astounded if she wasn’t in favour of locky.
Who knows? I’ve always been astounded Cummings didn’t call a halt to this nonsense long ago. He’s supposed to be good with big data and harnessing the public mood.
I personally don’t think he has much power
I bet she thinks that the only thing wrong with lockdown is that it hasn’t been tried yet.
She’s a Globalist/Environmentalist, nothing wrong with wanting to care for the planet until it becomes extremist.
PM Boris Johnson is a traitor to humanity.
The most irritating aspect of Covid-1984 is living among a population of simpletons who’ve whipped themselves up into a frenzy of terror over news reports about spikes in cases. Not hospitalisations. Not deaths. But *C A S E S*
No one seems capable of asking the basic question: ‘what is a case?’
If people stopped to ask what a case actually was, they might realise that most cases are asymptomatic – no symptoms. Someone may feel fine yet be a ‘case’. Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive three times – three cases.
We are witnessing a scandalous PCR ‘casedemic’. Stop the PCR tests and Covid disappears.
Politicians, Pharma, the media are complicit in crimes against humanity. We are being pulled into a totalitarian abyss by people’s stupidity.
It’s getting increasingly harder to remember the times before everything depended on “cases”.
If these so called cases are I’ll why are our hospitals not overrun and don’t we see large numbers of severely ill people. There are currently supposedly a million cases in the uk. Where have all these people been tested.
About a month ago, there was a graph showing respiratory deaths per year, from 2010 to 2020. Apart from knowing to look for the April spike, 2020 didn’t look that unusual. Does anyone know where that graph came from or have an up to date version? A WhatsApp friend (and this WA group contains covid-scared people) has said, “so if I’m reading it right, there was no flu this time last year and 500 excess covid deaths this year”. I want to reply with some useful, reliable information.
This?
Thank you
Or This? Source https://adapnation.io/
Just look at ‘all cause’ deaths – the most reliable indicator of what is going on. Any pressure from increased infection will ineluctably show up, cutting through arguments about causation. In the autumn, respiratory deaths in general will increase – it doesn’t really matter much what precisely causes the lung failure.
By that criterion, 2020 was unusual only in the concentrated April spike of deaths, which followed a typical viral pattern before going away. It is becoming accepted that – apart from anything else – that spike was related to a very high number of the vulnerable spared by the light previous’flu season.
However that infection season (of 2019/20) was not exceptional in terms of overall deaths when a historical comparison is made.
Now – as we go into the 2020/21 season, deaths are at the level of the lowest third of years since 1993. The current moderate rise is totally consistent with the general pattern of autumn mortality.
The thing about the ‘all-cause’ indicator is that it strips away any bullshit generated by hysterical yabbering about deadly plagues, even if it is only part of a more detailed attribution.
These guys produce excellent data pics on latest data coming out. Highly recommend their insights. They’ve also just released a handy excel tool you can use to filter on your local hospital to see how they are doing.
https://adapnation.io/how-is-your-local-hospital-coping/
Question Time – the excellent Merryn Somerset Webb has just said on the vaccine, Hancock should take it first, followed by other MPs. That is what is needed to build public confidence. He used the Van-Tam defence – ‘that would be unfair because I would be jumping the queue’. Umh, called out!
“No no Matty, you go, liars first, I insist”
There’s an old Russian proverb – better a clever lie than the foolish truth
They’ll have a placebo
I think everyone will end up having a placebo…
If they’d just tell us that’s what it is so we can all play this stupid pretend game, then we can just move on.
Sucharit Bhakdi has a link in his book to a 2009 article from Der Spiegel that said that a special version of the swine flu vaccine, one that did not contain adjuvants, had been ordered for the Chancellor, members of Cabinet and other senior people, as well as pregnant women. Here’s the link:
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/schutz-vor-schweinegrippe-kanzlerin-und-minister-sollen-speziellen-impfstoff-erhalten-a-655764.html
Without knowing any more about it, this seems like something out of a dystopian horror story. But the moral of the tale is don’t place too much store on asking Cabinet ministers to take the jab first.
Yep too easy to fake the whole thing
Not sure about dystopian. The annual UK flu vaccination cocktail (this year 3 strains, 2 A, 1 X B) comes in 3 versions, one as a nasal spray attenuated virus for children, one injectable grown in hens eggs for under 60s, a third for older subjects with less well functioning immune systems, containing adjuvants to ramp up their systems. All that to attain a 50 – 60% effectiveness rate. So if they were younger than 60, a version without adjuvants might be quite reasonable.
Yep I can effing believe that so they can go on TV and say honestly “I had the vaccine”. It’s the adjuvant which can cause problems in healthy people.
We need a big campaign. Name? ” Take That First”?
Demand Boris, Carrie and the kid take it first, followed by Hancock and family.
What’s the point, though, if they potentially get to take something different and safer?
I just caught a few minutes of question time. The new normal concept resembled an 80s B movie.
O tempora, O mores. I don’t suppose that one person in a thousand who saw it on TV believed him.
It wouldn’t mean anything. We need just to keep emphasizing how ridiculous is the framework for this vaccine in terms of any proper regulatory framework – and the unexceptional danger of the virus.
It’s fascinating to see just how quickly the Government is now scaling back on its original enthusiasm for the (Pfizer) vaccine. All of a sudden it is ‘if’s and but’s’ and they can’t even say if the majority of the population (under 50s) should be vaccinated at all! I suspect that the whole thing will be a gigantic dud, like the ‘gold standard’ Track & Trace app, to be condemned to the dustbin of history.
Follow the money. The CEO of Pfizer was pretty quick to cash in at just under $42 on Monday – it closed at $37.55 today!
That will upset the vaccine warriors. How will they judge the unvaccinated if they’re not even recommended to have it?
How many dustbins needed for 40 million doses?
This newly published article NewEngJM will be widely discussed . Study of Marine recruits finds CoV2 spread occurs despite strict quarantine & enforcement of pub health measures. This has major implications. If transmission occurs in this controlled environment, NPIs imposed upon the public would be even less effective. After 2 weeks, spread was actually GREATER in the supervised quarantine group (2.8%) than in the control group (1.7%). The study also found that 90% of those infected were asymptomatic, consistent with other research.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine
“We describe the results of a quarantine of nine Marine Corps recruit classes (a population of 3402 recruits) that participated in a public health mitigation program for Covid-19; recruits were under the constant supervision of Marine Corps instructors. Other settings in which young adults congregate are unlikely to reflect similar adherence to measures intended to reduce transmission. Most study participants with positive qPCR tests were asymptomatic, and all cases among participants and nonparticipants were identified as the result of scheduled testing rather than clinical qPCR testing performed as a result of daily screening.”
The last phrase of the first paragraph is probaly the understatement of the day
This market ticker article says NPIs based on aeresol transmission is pointless as faecal sources are the prominent driver. Sounds plausible to me. Haven’t heard it mentioned to often. Does that study consider this?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240649
Actually he cites your study as well!
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/widespread-covid-testing-credited-with-catching-and-stopping-asymptomatic-spread-among-marine-recruits-study-says.html
Faecal spreading as a theory has made more and more sense in recent weeks. Especially so when evidence showed SARS Covid 1 spread in the waste. Consider how many hospitals or care homes have shared / poorly ventilated high use toilets and consider how many older people tend to have bowel issues through a myriad of reasons. It’s the only transmission route that has not had an NPi opposed to it.
Someone posting as Nessimmersion queried this months ago, and wasn’t there also some suggestion that the way Chinese flats and/or their waste water systems are inter connected might have encouraged spread? I suspect the virus is ubiquitous and spreads every possible way.
Compulsory butt plugs are coming.
Bottom inspectors everywhere
Farts! It’s gotta be it
And as been said before ‘a mask won’t trap the Covid anymore than pants and trousers trap a fart’
The question should be:
.. do we need to curtail everyone’s lives, trash civil liberties, ruin children’s education, harm our lungs with face masks, take vaccinations and test healthy people using a fraudulently used PCR test, lock up the elderly in care homes against their will, steal public money and destroy the economy, resulting in generations in poverty and increases in suicide?
Wow!!!! Hold the front page! : Lavatories have viruses and bacteria!!!!
“90% of those infected were asymptomatic”
Or : “90% of those ‘infected’ weren’t”.
Language again.
On masks. Here is a good example of a study which was issued without peer review defending mask mandates. They said it correlated with reduced hospital admissions.
Well, it had to be withdrawn because the hospitalisations went up after it was issued which made it completely useless guff.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20208728v2
Both Ivor Cummins and Tom Woods (worth subscribing to his email btw) have destroyed the claim that masks have made any difference with the real data.
He’s got the five signatures, and this vaccine petition is awaiting approval:
https://twitter.com/WeWillBeFree82/status/1327024844257570819
With luck, it will be a live petition soon.
In my paper today:
Santa’s Wonderland has arrived at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s, with COVID-19 guidelines. Santa and holiday crafts in the village. A Magic Santa Shield between the jolly old fellow and families for non-contact visits. Free digital reservations for social distancing. Temperature screening and Santa’s elves sanitize surfaces between each visit. Masks required.
Would you take your kids to that?
Never
To chuck bad things at Santa and his sanitizers.
“Wonderland” Really?!
Some people would love that. I know a few. They deliberately take their kids only to covid-safe events that effectively ban any contact between the kids by instituting “family areas” in which no one else is allowed. They think it’s great – so clean and safe.
Piers Corbyn and associate harassed by police walking down a street :
https://twitter.com/redundantuk/status/1325083917398007810
What did you do in the Great Covid granny?
“I was a nazi/stasi bitch”
…
Second try. Gave me a laugh.
The thing about yawning is it’s infectious so the government will have to bring in a lockdown to suppress yawning. Yawning is a sin of oxygen deprivation so it will have to mandate all faces must be free of face coverings at all times. This will include welders, asbestos removal workers, participants in the sport of fencing, scuba divers, motorcyclists and heart surgeons. The Prime Minister will address the nation tonight: “It is with sorrow I must tell you that too many of our loved ones are going to die of boredom, yawning their last before their time. We face an existential crisis of ennui. We have entered the fatal forest of futility, and must pass through its miasmic interior before we glimpse the first faint light of dawn made possible by our friends at GaxoSmithKline with their “Bordnomor” vaccine.” Chris Whitty will tell us the scuba diver deaths are “all on the Yawnovirus side”.
Alex Belfied YouTube is reporting that Dominic Cummings is going by Xmas.
He gives no source but is usually reliable.
I’ve heard that in a Brexit group.
Guido has it too though not exactly 100%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54925322
Cummings to go by Christmas, not resigning, never wanted to stay long…
Yesterday evening in the cabel-controlled leafy commuter-town suburbs ruled by Nadine Dorris where I live, it was around 12 degrees centigrade and I thought I’d take Ms Beefheart out for a walk (it’s OK, I wrapped her up warm).
Whilst passing a local bus stop, a friend of mine that I’ve known for around 34 years walked by and sat next to me at the bus stop. We were not sure if this was illegal, so we sat down for a chat to discuss it (whilst keeping a strict 2-meter distance)
There was this white Land Rover (I won’t mention the number plate), but it looked a bit lost because whilst we were discussing the legal implications of us talking to each other in public under the current guidelines, it kept turning round and driving slowly next to us.
At one point, it looked like someone might have taken a picture of us talking about things.
I was a bit worried because I had my daughter with me.
Was this some sort of N.O.N.C.E. spying on me? Or some “concerned brainwashed citizen”?
Should I report things like this to the police?
What will be and who will deliver our ‘Princess Diana shakes hands with an AIDS sufferer’ moment for the MSM? And will it work to turn the tide with the public?
Out today seeing the demented mask wearers, instead of my usual inner scream (mask less) I just pictured the scene in Toy Story where Buzz Lightyear’s visor retracts and he launches into dramatic ‘last breath’ gasps expecting immediate death (that he’d been programmed to believe)……..then looks up rather foolishly when he realises Woody had been right all along and he was fine.
Covid has shown the sheep and the critical thinkers, Parliament almost full of sheep has been the biggest surprise.
My local wildlife park has sent its annual email today inviting us to book animal experiences etc for Christmas gifts. Strange, I thought, they’re obviously closed at the moment and it seems unlikely they will be able to reopen much before Christmas.
Then I saw the small print: Due to lockdown, we are only taking bookings for Christmas 2021…