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75,000 – Government’s Official Projection of Lockdown Deaths

But does it even save lives?

The Mail has discovered the figure the Government has put on the number of collateral deaths caused by the lockdown buried in a SAGE report.

Nearly 75,000 people could die from non-Covid causes as a result of lockdown, according to a devastating official figures buried in a 188-page document.

The startling research, presented to the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), will further increase pressure on Boris Johnson to hold back on introducing further coronavirus restrictions.

The document reveals 16,000 people died as a result of the chaos in hospitals and care homes in March and April alone.

It estimates a further 26,000 will lose their lives within a year if people continue to stay away from A&E and the problems in social care persist.

And an additional 31,900 could die over the next five years as a result of missed cancer diagnoses, cancelled operations and the health impacts of a recession.

The toll of deaths directly linked to the virus last night stood at 41,936.

The estimates, drawn up by civil servants at the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics and the Home Office, were presented to Sage at a meeting on July 15th. The documents stressed that had nothing been done to stop the spread of the virus in March, 400,000 people could have died of Covid.

And if the NHS had been overrun, this figure might have even soared to 1.4 million. But they acknowledged the restrictions had significant unintended consequences.

How can the Government still believe these catastrophic predictions from discredited models when the experience of countries like Sweden, Tanzania and Belarus show the truth about what happens under minimal restrictions? Is it a case of refusing to believe the evidence of one’s own eyes because it is too painful? Certainly, there is some serious corporate groupthink going on.

Incidentally, we can expect the press to periodically discover these reports to Sage. They’re part of a series being done by the Department of Health and Social Care, the Office for National Statistics, the Government Actuary’s Department and the Home Office. The first of these was published in April.

Stop Press: A famous financial journalist who has long been an anonymous contributor to Lockdown Sceptics thinks he knows what the problem is:

Ex Governor of Bank of England Mervyn King has written a book with John Kay recently called Radical Uncertainty. Lots of stuff about the unreliability of models (all models are wrong some are useful). Their simple advice is for people to lay down the model and ask, “What’s going on here?” Boris and his crew in Downing Street don’t have the good sense to do just that. And the cost of their failure in unfathomable.

Economics Prof Replies to More or Less

Take that, Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter

More or Less, the Radio 4 stats programme, wheeled out Sir David Spiegelhalter to ridicule those of us who’ve been highlighting the false positive rate this week, claiming it was all a storm in a teacup. The Huffington Post had a go, too, naming Julia Hartley-Brewer and Toby, among the rank amateurs who’ve apparently misunderstood just how insignificant false positives really are.

We couldn’t let that slide, obviously, and today we’re publishing an original piece by Gordon Hughes, a former Professor of Economics at Edinburgh University, rebutting these criticisms. Here’s an extract:

The core problem is that the UK is relying upon a set of policymakers who appear to be neither competent nor willing to be honest about the choices that are being made. Selling policies to credulous journalists is simple. Convincing a wider public that contains a significant number of people who have the expertise and willingness to challenge what appears to be irrational policy is a different matter. The UK Government appears to believe that honesty will further reduce already low levels of willingness to comply with current policies. What they – and their public supporters – should recognize is that the unwillingness to admit and discuss the complexity of the cost-benefit calculations that surround testing merely fuels the lack of trust in current policies. Many of the public statements are so obviously wrong that it is hard to give credit to the more generous view that the policymakers are not really incompetent but merely dealing with a very difficult situation.

That, it seems to me, is the real lesson from Sweden. There were many people in the Swedish medical establishment who profoundly disagreed – and still disagree – with the policies recommended by the State Epidemiologist. There was an open debate and individuals were allowed to make their own choices. The outcome was mixed and the sources of failure have been identified and followed up. In the UK – across all of the nations – the attitude is that we (the “experts”) know better than everyone else and you must just do what we say. That is never a good story in an educated democracy. It is especially weak when the self-declared experts are easily challenged on a string of assumptions and issues so that their credibility cannot be sustained. All that is being achieved is a polarization of trust and belief in the competence of both politicians and those who advise them.

Worth reading in full.

Does Sweden Have Herd Immunity?

Stockholmers soaking up the spring sunshine outside a restaurant on April 22, 2020.
A bustling Stockholm in April

As Sweden comes in from the cold, with its scientific advisers being granted audiences with governments around the world and Dorit Nitzan, the WHO’s Regional Emergency Director for Europe, saying the country can “provide lessons for the global community”, attention has turned to the secret of their success.

Kim Sneppen, professor of biocomplexity at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen and a leading virologist, said this week: “There is some evidence that the Swedes have built up a degree of immunity to the virus which, along with what else they are doing to stop the spread, is enough to control the disease… They may now be finished with the epidemic.”

However, the role of immunity in Sweden remains contested. State epidemiologist Dr Anders Tegnell himself has downplayed it, answering a question this week comparing Sweden and Spain by stressing that achieving “herd immunity” had never been a goal of Sweden’s strategy (despite emails surfacing which suggest otherwise). He said:

I’m not sure that the level of immunity in Sweden and in Spain differs very much. I think the main difference between Sweden and many other countries is that we have had the same kind of restrictions and recommendations in place the whole time. And we have a really big adherence from the population to those recommendations. And that makes a difference, that makes us hopefully less susceptible to a second wave.

Maybe we’ll have the same experience in a few weeks’ time, we’ll see, but as I said, I think the big difference is that Spain had a strict lockdown and then opened up again, and then you do get back to quite a lot spread of disease.

Italy currently has even lower “cases” per 100,000 than Sweden (35 vs 37) but it would be hard to argue Italians are a peculiarly compliant people in the way Dorit Nitzan does of Swedes. From the Guardian:

Nitzan stressed that Sweden’s approach may not be applicable everywhere. Other countries should take into account that “in Sweden, the social contract between the government and its population is historically based on a very high level of trust”, she said. “That is the way the Swedish people and the government interact.”

Following the Swedish example, therefore, should not mean “adopting the exact same measures”, she said. “There are lessons to learn from every country. None has done it perfectly; all have made mistakes.

“Each country’s strategy to curb COVID-19 should be based on its specific situation and context, and be both scientifically sound and culturally acceptable. This is Sweden’s approach.”

When Boris Johnson claimed in the Commons that Brits are more freedom-loving than Italians as an explanation for why the UK is now faring worse than Italy he was rebuked by the Italian president, while Corriere della Sera, an Italian national newspaper, wrote on its front page:

Let me get this right – the country that invented queuing and immaculate lawns is not able to obey rules? Instead, group discipline is a trait of the Italians, a people who have a well-deserved reputation for disdain for regulations and individualism verging on anarchy?

There is a danger that the important lessons of the epidemic will be lost in sub-scientific generalisations about supposed national character traits that wrongly imply lockdowns are right for some places but not for others – ironically, it appears, the more “freedom-loving” a country is, the greater the need for a firm hand. When Nitzan and Tegnell claim that Swedes have been more compliant than Spaniards, what hard evidence is that based on? The Italians complain about the false stereotypes sent in their direction. We Brits should protest no less loudly about being so supposedly freedom-loving that only a good firm lockdown will break our spirits and keep us in line.

It also needs to be remembered that Spain had one of the longest and strictest lockdowns in Europe whereas Sweden never limited the size of gatherings to less than 50, never closed shops, restaurants, night clubs, schools under 16, or anything else, and never imposed or even encouraged face masks. Are we supposed to believe young people in Sweden stopped socialising and stopped going to parties? What basis is there for thinking that? The pictures that went round in April of young people in Stockholm crowding into nightclubs and cafes shows this up for the nonsense it is, while a recent BMJ article quoted Karolinska Institute immunologist Marcus Buggert in August saying that social distancing in Sweden was “always poorly followed, and it’s only become worse”.

Furthermore, even if Swedes were more compliant with their Government’s guidelines, the guidelines were so loose compared with what was imposed elsewhere that it’s hard to see how the mere fact of compliance makes all the difference.

The antibody rates in Sweden are, as Dr Tegnell notes, similar to those found in Spain and Italy. But then maybe that is why Italy also has no second wave, and Spain’s second ripple appears to be peaking, with the Carlos III Health Institute pointing out that the data on PCR tests by date of symptom onset shows the epidemic topping out weeks ago, even before the end of August.

The evidence for the early emergence of collective immunity rooted in T-cell cross-immunity from previous cold viruses continues to mount. Which is why one of the world’s leading epidemiologists, Oxford’s Professor Sunetra Gupta, is convinced it is playing a major role. It may suit the governments of the world to pretend that it’s all about a myth of Swedish stoicism and not about immunity so that they can exculpate themselves for not taking the same path in March.

But the danger is that the reality of immunity, which would allow countries to go back to normal (actual normal, not New Normal) becomes officially denied and buried. Even in Sweden the Government has called a halt to the lifting of restrictions, with a cap of 50 people in a group now set to remain and local lockdowns being threatened should local outbreaks occur. If Sweden can’t learn the lesson of Sweden, what hope is there for the rest of us?

As the autumn ripples in Spain, France and Britain fade, we need to make sure our leaders learn the right lessons, and can’t get away with crediting the new restrictions, the national temperament, the stars, or anything else except the only thing with hard scientific evidence behind it: immunity.

Stop Press: Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph points out that Chris Whitty rejects the immunity idea because, he says, people aren’t immune to colds and so it is probably short-lived. I suggest Professor Whitty urgently needs to widen his pool of advisers, starting with the immunologists and virologists who wrote this STAT article in August.

The experts who spoke with STAT all felt that the immune responses to this virus are exactly what you would expect to see. And the case of the Hong Kong man who appears to have been reinfected underscore that, several said.

“The fact that somebody may get reinfected is not surprising. But the reinfection didn’t cause disease,” said Peiris, who knows about the case but was not one of the authors reporting it.

Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York who studies human responses to viral infections, said it is hard to be definitive, given the limited human experience with this new coronavirus, but she said she could see no reason to believe the immune system would behave differently to this respiratory virus than to others.

“So far, anyway, the evidence supports functional immunity, but the only way to see how long that will last is to follow people over time and see if those responses diminish,” she said.

“The idea there is that, yes, your antibodies might wane, but your memory responses aren’t absent,” said Menachery, noting that when a primed immune system re-encounters the virus, production of antibodies would kick into gear.

A Picture Is Worth a Thousand Words

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Hat tip UK COVID-19

Is ‘Zero-Covid’ Now a UK-Wide policy?

Readers will recall that we were critical of Prof Devi Sridhar’s ‘zero-Covid’ strategy because: (a) the false positive rate means you can never reduce the number of ‘cases’ to zero, so restrictions will never be lifted (see Clare Craig on this); (b) it means quarantining people entering the country in perpetuity; (c) it assumes a vaccine will be be both 100% effective and available soon, neither of which is likely.

However, it looks as though this is now the official policy of the United Kingdom. Yesterday, a joint statement on coronavirus was issued by the UK Government, the Northern Ireland Executive, the Scottish Government, and the Welsh Government that said:

Following our meeting at COBR this week, we therefore reaffirm our shared commitment to suppressing the virus to the lowest possible level and keeping it there, while we strive to return life to as normal as possible for as many people as possible. We agree that our policy decisions should be consistent with this objective.

The lowest possible level and keeping it there.

Sounds like a ‘zero-Covid’ strategy to me.

God help us. (H/t Alistair Haimes.)

UsForThem: The Birth of a Movement

We’re publishing an original piece by Molly Kingsley today. Molly is one of the three founders of UsForThem, a grass roots, parent-run organisation that campaigns for schools to re-open in full and without any intrusive social distancing arrangements, and we asked her to write something for us about why she decided to start a campaigning organisation. Turns out, Molly was red-pilled when she saw the above picture. It horrified her at a deep, visceral level and she felt she had to do something – anything – to prevent this becoming the “new normal” for our children.

One Tuesday morning while nonchalantly slurping my coffee and scrolling through social media, that photo popped into my feed and with it an instinctively visceral reaction that propelled me to action. I looked at it. Then stared a while. Then thought – you’ll have to excuse the profanity but there really is no other way to put it:

“WHAT THE F*CK?!”

Because anyone with an ounce of humanity will know that this is no way to treat a child.

The harms of lockdown and social isolation on children are now, sadly, much better understood, having been written about by a growing number of increasingly alarmed child welfare experts. But you don’t need a psychology doctorate to understand that something that restricts young children’s play in such an abrupt and blunt manner is not likely to be positive for educational and social development – you just need to be a parent. And as parent, once you get an idea in your head that something is harming your child, it becomes hard to let it go. I realised it was not only my right, but my duty, to say, “No.”

UsForThem has probably been the most effective of the anti-lockdown campaigning organisations – an inspiration to us all. This piece is well worth reading in full.

Nic Sturge-on’s Student Hostages

Guido’s brilliant graphic

Alan Cochrane in the Telegraph delivers a blistering attack on the First Minister’s callous sacrifice of Scotland’s students in apparent pursuit of one-upmanship and poll ratings.

This is an absolute disgrace: a thousand new students have been imprisoned across Scotland – victims of Nicola Sturgeon’s preoccupation with looking good and fighting propaganda battles with London rather than taking the measures that would really beat Covid.

And now, incredibly, all of Scotland’s students have been hit with a brutal list of restrictions including a ‘stay away from pubs’ order.

The locked-down teenagers, just starting their varsity careers, are not so much prisoners as hostages – held captive until there’s an improvement in the official statistics about which Ms Sturgeon has thus far been only too pleased to boast.

No longer; Scotland’s figures are at least as bad as England’s means she has had to come up with ever-more draconian restrictions.

But the punitive rules being inflicted on all these kids puts everything else in the shade. Students have been told that they can’t do much more than stare at the four blank walls of their tiny flats, with security guards patrolling their halls of residence, they can’t mix with their fellow freshers, and can’t go home or even meet Mum and Dad.

Worse, any infraction of the draconian rules will be breaking the law. Guido summarises the restrictions.

– No parties and no socialising outside households and their accommodation.
– Increased staff presence in student accommodation
– Further engagement with private providers of student accommodation, especially those with significant numbers
– Intensified liaising with Police Scotland to ensure vigilance
– A strict ‘Yellow Card/Red Card’ approach to breaches of student discipline

The raw deal students are getting is unbelievable, told to go to campus they are mostly doing lectures via video conference, not allowed to socialise and being told they can’t go home at Christmas (there will be tears) and paying full fees. Guido for once thinks complaining students may have a point. It’s been pointed out that university staff are still allowed to move freely in and between halls to check compliance, then go to the pub, then go home to their family.

Stop Press: A student at Glasgow University, Harry Butcher, has written in spiked about how his university feels like a prison, while a fresher at Dundee University, Euan Lee, tells his story, “I got Covid and now 500 people in my university accommodation have to self-isolate“, in the Telegraph.

Covid Avoids Swimming Pools

Perhaps scientists can learn to harness the protective power of pools

A reader has got in touch to tell us about the ridiculous rules she now faces when taking her toddler swimming.

What has really sent me over the edge was receiving a text message this morning saying: “Hi, it’s Water Babies. Following the recent tightening of COVID-19 rules, Wyvern are now asking that all adults wear a face covering when coming to the pool, unless you have an exemption. Please remove it just before you get in the pool and replace it when you get out again. Thank you for your help in keeping us all safe.”

What a clever virus this is – it can tell the time, it can tell if you are in a party of more than five other people, it can tell whether you are eating or drinking and now, I am told, it can tell whether you are just in or just out of a swimming pool. I am now considering cancelling my son’s swimming lessons.

Later came an update.

I received a reply from Water Babies Dorset and Salisbury:

“Hi, it is each venue’s own decision but due to latest government restrictions it just so happens that is a requirement at all our venues. Some decided before now, and some more recently like Wyvern. Water Babies x”

I have had a very quick scan on Google and can’t find the “requirement” stating that face masks have to be worn immediately before and after swimming! So I replied – “Many thanks for your reply, could I trouble you to send me the link which references this requirement?”

I am waiting for a response.

Winter is Coming

Jemima Lewis in the Telegraph , in a piece entitled “Far too many of us have no idea just how bad this is going to get“, delivers some brutal home truths to anyone still in denial about what is about to happen as the long winter of ongoing Covid restrictions starts to bite.

Even now, as Britain stares into the economic abyss, a stubborn myopia persists. When I tell friends what is happening in the hospitality industry right now – the high street names that are preparing to go into administration; the hundreds of thousands of jobs that are about to be lost – they go pale and back away nervously, as if from a madwoman. “The most important thing is to save lives,” they insist. The lives that will be lost, or ruined, through unemployment, poverty, depression, empty public coffers, crime – perhaps even civil unrest – seem to rest bizarrely weightless on the scale.

It is, in any case, a fait accompli. Nothing in Rishi Sunak’s emergency budget can save the day for those businesses that depend on high footfall. City centres are (or were) the coral reefs of the British economy: small but vibrant landscapes supporting a huge array of different businesses, from locksmiths to restaurants. Lockdown was devastating enough; six months of working from home will kill off the reef for good.

The hospitality industry is right at the front of the unemployment tidal wave. From this unhappy vantage point it is easy to see the boarded-up future from which so many – including some in Government – are still averting their eyes. Perhaps the economy can only be properly understood through experience. If so, this is going to be an agonising lesson.

Worth reading in full.

COVID-19 Assembly Update – Get Involved

The good people running the excellent COVID-19 Assembly initiative have been in touch about their new survey that they want readers of Lockdown Sceptics to help with.

The aim of the COVID-19 Assembly is to allow people to discuss and share the information around COVID-19 and the measures in place to “control” it. We want to create content and tools for volunteers to take to non-sceptics and show them why they shouldn’t worry. The SAGE minutes showed just how deliberate the mainstream media fear-mongering was. 

Unfortunately, it worked really well. If polls are to be believed about 85% of people are genuinely scared. To unpick this programming, we are using the same weapons. We have a survey designed by the former lead psychologist of Cambridge Analytica. The results of this survey will inform the production of our content. It will help us understand exactly which points to focus on in order to change opinions.

This is a very complex problem and we need to work together to solve it. We can’t expect non-sceptics to complete the survey without some sort of incentive. We need you, readers of Lockdown Sceptics, to talk to non-sceptics you know (family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, etc) and ask them to complete the survey as a favour to you or buy them a drink or a coffee!

If you think they’ll do it by themselves then sending a link may do. But if necessary, you could meet them and open the survey on your own phone and ask them the questions. Ask them in the pub, over the phone, at work, over the garden wall, on the street, wherever.

This is extremely important! We need at least 400 non-sceptical people to complete the survey to have a representative sample. Please do your best to target five people each and try to get everyone to share it on social media. The more we get the more we will learn about how to end this nonsense. 

Thanks and good luck!

This is an important and high quality initiative so let’s all get involved and help them reach their 400 target and much more. Find the survey here.

SNP Climbdown On Hate Crime Bill – But Is It Enough?

Scottish justice secretary Humza Yousaf doesn’t appear to grasp that “hate speech” is inimical to free speech

The Times on Thursday devoted an editorial to the small victory north of the border for free speech advocates in getting the SNP’s appalling hate crime bill watered down to make it slightly less appalling.

For months the Scottish justice secretary has defended his hate crime bill against criticism that it is a dangerously illiberal attack on freedom of speech. He appeared undeterred by the lengthening list of critics, who included the Scottish Police Federation, the Law Society of Scotland, the National Secular Society and the Scottish Catholic Church. Concerns focused on a proposal to make “stirring up hatred” a criminal offence, as well as behaviour “likely” to stir up such hatred. Also outlawed would be the possession or communication of “inflammatory material” deemed “likely” to encourage hatred, a measure that could have had implications for bookshops and libraries. A leader column in this newspaper denounced the proposed law as an “act of folly”.

Yesterday, finally, Mr Yousaf admitted defeat and announced that amendments would be brought forward to safeguard rights that should never have been under threat in the first place. His decision is welcome insofar as it goes, although he is not yet off the hook. Critics say the ministerial climbdown, which removed the word “likely”, is a rung or two short of satisfactory.

The Free Speech Union submitted evidence in July to the Scottish Parliament’s Justice Committee opposing the bill.

This definition of “hate crime” is far too broad and will enable groups claiming to speak for people in these protected categories to lobby the authorities to prosecute anyone who challenges their ideology on the grounds that doing so is likely to stir up hatred. Under this new law, not only will those who challenge identitarian dogma be vulnerable to prosecution, but anyone who possesses “inflammatory material” will be too, as will theatre producers who put on plays expressing these forbidden ideas and the actors who perform in them. If the Bill passes, Scotland will become the most aggressive regulator of speech in the United Kingdom and one of the most belligerent in Europe. And it could easily become the basis of a similar law in England and Wales.

The climbdown is a start, but not enough to keep speech free and protected from the constant threat of litigation from the woke and perpetually offended.

If you care about free speech, please join the Free Speech Union.

Round-Up

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

UPDATE: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today we feature a protest statement from students and faculty at Boston University. It’s a cracker – if anyone is playing woke bingo this’ll get you a full house.

Institutionalized White Supremacy Culture at BU

BU’s residential reopening policies for Fall 2020 create material damage and risk to Black, Brown, and Indigenous communities, as well as those most economically marginalized regardless of race. As BU School of Public Health Professor Michael Siegel has recently explained, the “Learn from Anywhere” model negatively impacts disadvantaged and minority students under the guise of choice. By supporting and even encouraging a dense campus and the return of tens of thousands of inter-state and international students, BU also is increasing the health risk not only to its own campus community but also to the Greater Boston area. Pre-existing economic disparities – the result of systemic racism and discrimination – mean that COVID-19 has a disproportionate impact on Black and Latinx communities. Any action which increases the risk of transmission of COVID-19  thus disproportionately affects the health of those communities.

These racially and economically disparate outcomes are not coincidental. They are the natural result of an institutionalized culture of white supremacy at BU which is designed to perpetuate existing inequality. This culture of white supremacy was born from the hierarchical power dynamic between masters and slaves and the legacies of settler colonialism. It is fundamentally threatened by the sharing of power. It maintains its authority by restricting access to knowledge. It disarms critics by making superficial change, but rejects the need for systemic transformation or the redirection of resources. It demands cooperation, obedience, and sacrifice in times of scarcity, while in times of plenty enriching only those at the top. An organization which operates in this way cannot advance the cause of human equality and social justice – whatever it intends.

 In what follows, we draw from the work of many grassroots activists on anti-racism – particularly Kenneth Jones and Tema Okun, who identified the characteristics of white supremacy culture – to explain how BU’s white supremacy culture brought us to this point. The characteristics of white supremacy culture include but are not limited to paternalism, either/or thinking, power hoarding, a scarcity worldview, a fear of open conflict and tendency toward secrecy in operations, a preference for quantity (or speed) over quality, and a ‘progress is bigger and more’ attitude.

This list is not exhaustive, but we offer it in the spirit of supporting one of the five major pillars of BU’s new Strategic Plan for 2030 – “to strengthen diversity, equity, and inclusion.” The work of becoming a fully anti-racist and anti-oppressive institution requires a clear and specific analysis of and accountability for institutionalized white supremacy culture to be successful. We call on BU to begin its anti-racist work on our own campus. We cannot hope to transform the world if we cannot transform our own institution.

Read the whole ludicrous statement here.

Stop Press: Quillette has published an amusing article about Jessica Krug, the ultra-woke, “African-American” academic superstar who turned out to be a white Jewish woman.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: A woman was tasered and arrested by police in Ohio on Wednesday after she refused to leave an eighth grade football game for not wearing a mask. The Hill has the story.

Police in Logan, Ohio, who identified the woman as Alecia Kitts, said the officer told Kitts she would be asked to leave because she was not wearing a mask, in violation of school policy. After Kitts refused to leave the stadium, the officer warned she would be cited for trespassing. She was tased after she resisted arrest. …

Police said in a statement that when Smith informed Kitts she needed to wear a mask, she responded she had asthma and would not put it on.

“Officer Smith advised the female several times that she needed to put her mask on, and that if she did not, she would be asked to leave and would have to wait outside the stadium,” the statement reads. “The female continually refused his request and Officer Smith advised her that if she refused to leave, she would be cited for trespassing and escorted off the property.” …

“It is important to note, the female was not arrested for failing to wear a mask, she was asked to leave the premises for continually violating school policy,” the police department said. “Once she refused to leave the premises, she was advised she was under arrest for criminal trespassing, she resisted the arrest, which led to the use of force.”

Watch the video here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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A poster made by the son of a Lockdown Sceptics reader

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Bob Webb
Bob Webb
6 years ago

“Chris Whitty rejects the immunity idea because, he says, people aren’t immune to colds and so it is probably short-lived.”???? Isn’t he pushing for continuous Lockdown until a vaccine is ready? Isn’t the point of a vaccine to provide immunity? Fact- vaccines rarely provide immunity to viruses, so why can we not stop this charade?

NickR
NickR
6 years ago

Do any of you have children at university? Share this fact with them then ask them why they’re putting up with this?
It’s the NHS England’s latest data on deaths from Covid dated 24th Sept.
Since the first Covid death the total deaths of people aged 0-39 without an underlying health condition is 39!!!!!!!!!
(An underlying health condition is something that’s serious enough to get mentioned on the death certificate, so this isn’t asthma, or obesity, it’s a serious condition that’s contributory to death.)
So, during this entire pandemic 1 person per single age cohort on average has died of Covid. If we think about university students that’s an average of 3 to 4 years, so, we can reckon that 3 or 4 people of university age have died of Covid during the whole charade across the whole of England. Have there been any in Scotland? Probably none in Wales or NI.
Storm the bloody barricades!

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Michael Davies
6 years ago

We are continually losing our democracy to a tyranny of experts and NGO’s the Covid crisis is a symptom of this disease. Check on the ‘euromomo’ site
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps for a running total of excess deaths for 24 european countries which shows that the pandemic has run its course

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

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OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

I wonder how Toby feels about the way things have gone?

,I think his instincts have been right all along, not least in setting up this lifeline of a website.

But I bet even he couldn’t see, at the outset, quite how dark things were going to get.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

Reflecting on recent events – a lost-at-sea Prime Minister praying Bill Gates in aid three times in one speech, so called scientists lying to the populace by means of bogus graphs and Police savagely attacking peaceful sceptic protestors in a way they would never attack XR, BLM or Islamic protestors – it seems clear our nation has been led into a dark, dark wood. We can only pray we find a way back into the light. We must resolve to redouble our efforts to save the country we love and be braver in doing so.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

@metpolice
, this is how the peaceful demonstration that you violently broke up today started [a prayer see clip on link]

https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1309951223253078016?s=20

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Sturgeon of Scotland

Coronavirus in Scotland: Self-catering industry faces £70m collapse

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-self-catering-industry-faces-70m-collapse-7rvr29qcq

Scotland’s self-catering holiday industry is expecting to lose tens of millions of pounds in bookings before the end of this year.

It has prompted concerns that many owners will go out of business as customers choose to take breaks in England where regulations are less restrictive. The Scottish government had said on Tuesday that family and friends from two households could meet in self-catering properties as long as there were not more than six adults present.

However, it reversed that decision late on Wednesday, causing widespread confusion and a serious headache for business owners and those planning an autumn break.

Then paywall

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

Some of us – OK, me – are guilty of going straight to comments without always perusing the pearl-like prose and enlightening information above.

Can I recommend the blue-red graph showing deaths against “cases”? That demonstrates the appalling lies being foisted upon us by our own government, WHO, the mainstream media, Big Pharma, the NHS, Gates and the politicised lobbies that love the Lockdown Lunacy and the Mask Madness.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Regarding a lady who was assulted today at Trafalger Square. The incident was caught on camera video on the link.

Event support
@Eventsupport3
·
1h
Could you ask if that officer was wearing the padded ‘assault’ gloves when he charged in and struck her?

If member of a security team I ran had done that he would be battered and booted out. Integrity and reputation as it was.

Orwellforesawitall
@Orwellforesawi1
Replying to
@Eventsupport3

@AndreaDS0909
and 2 others
Thank you for stating that. As an ex cop myself I find what I have witnessed today hard to bear. I have been in public protests we never acted like this
10:18 PM · Sep 26, 2020·Twitter

Event support
@Eventsupport3
·
1h
Replying to
@Orwellforesawi1

@AndreaDS0909
and 2 others
Thank you also. I am not ex police (have worked in security details) yet have worked with many good police officers that I am proud to have known who would never have tolerated that.

https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1309937743045197825?s=20

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Shameful. Politicised policing. Can you imagine that being done to an XR or BLM protestor? Of course not.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Looks staged to me

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Ehhhhhh???

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

I never go on Facebook.

If you say something is “staged”, you normally say by whom. It’s odd to make the allegation of “staging” without stating who is doing the staging. Why would you go about things in that way?

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

And previously you’ve called for violence in support of the sceptic position. Now you are querying pretty straightforward video evidence showing unwarranted police violence at a peaceful sceptic demo.

These are odd positions to take since they both damage the sceptic cause.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’ve never called for violence, not my way

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

Hmmm. Anyone make sense of this? In the middle of a crisis Johnson is in Perugia? Vehemently denied which is always a giveaway https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2020/09/20/news/the_mystery_of_boris_johnson_s_trip_to_perugia_-267989244/

Danny
Danny
6 years ago

To anyone telling me that yes they know know masks do not work but they wear one to respect the anxieties of others, I always think of this analogy.
If when crossing a road I noticed a man laying shaking on the pavement, wearing helmet, a high-vis jacket and sobbing uncontrollably because he wanted to cross but was scared of traffic….
I would pity him. I would console him. I might even try to stand in the road to stop the traffic and try to convince him that he can safely cross.
But at no point would I lay down next to him and start crying too, just to make him feel better.
An irrational hysteria is no less irrational simply because of a weight of numbers doing it.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

You CERTAINLY wouldn’t also put on a helmet and high-vis before you did so….

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago

So I went out for a pedal about tonight and a few beers. Watched some kids doing football stuff in a park. I was rather alarmed to see they didn’t sanitize the ball once in the 30 mins I sat there.

I adjusted a mental covid notice, that was satisfying. Then I went into town. Oh deary me.

I should have stayed in, especially after alcohol. I think I am developing face nappy related tourettes.

As I was waiting for my kebab and joshing with the kebab guy, I was a bit drunk and the next thing you know, I shouted, loudly, at all the masked up weatherspoons goers lining up to scan the QR code in the face nappies accros the market palce.

“FREE YOUR FACE!”

The town square went quiet…then a few laughs.

Errrpp. Then I went to eat the kebab and swear at swans.

On the way home, I went into my local shop for more beer, young lady wearing one wasn’t bothered about me bare face and directed me to the beer selection, so as I went to pay I said so how’s it going with the new normal?

Err ok she said, how about… Read more »

mattghg
mattghg
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Remember to drink plenty of water before going to bed 😉

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

check

Sue
Sue
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Go two-six!!!! Think you’re right in ‘best to stay in’ but heck why should you not go out!! 😉

Eddie
Eddie
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Two Six is my nominee for the LS category Best Storytelling in a Covid Dystopian Nightmare
bravo to you good sir!

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

No don’t stay in, you are a dead set legend😊

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Paul Weston. This one lie will bring down the British Government.

https://youtu.be/06yja21V7xg

PCR false positives in a shareable video.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

“Scandal of the century”, “criminal act”, “matter for the courts”, this is an excellent conscise account of the statistical fraud.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The pressure is building. That’s why you see the ‘debunks’ being attempted. Being mentioned in Parliament etc. That kind of acknowledgement wasn’t happening 4 weeks ago. Henegens systematic review paved the way

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Yes we are on our way. The collapse the PCR testing scandal would give would be enjoyable. I’m fired up by the prospect of criminal proceedings. The 10 min video is special it is clear and direct. No messing, courts, criminal.

Keep the pressure of these bastards – let them suffer.

Ryan
Ryan
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I wish you were right – but there seems to be a silence in the MSM on this – it’s been out there for days. Without MSM reporting this it would be as well not existing.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

The video is good. He even gives an open brief to Julia Hartley Brewer how to finidh Hancicks career in the next interview.

All it will take is one presenter (they are not journalists) or JHB to get behind outing the scandal.

Get this on breakfast TV the hateful morgan – the nation can flip. Actually morgan must be pretty ashamed I know about this scandal before him – he’s lost his skill.

I know you are speaking sense Ryan. It really does hang by a thread. Keep pressing on this.

Ryan
Ryan
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

You’re so right about presenters and not journalists.

They’re as rare as hens teeth these days.

You think somebody would want to make a name for themselves.

They can’t all have been bought and sold surely.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

This is what its about one of the ones with enough of the lime light to skewer the bastards in public.

Nick Ross, Kay Burley, Morgan, don’t know any myself. In the old days shit jon snow woukd pull on a pair of socks and drill in a question or two – their ratings need it.

Julia can do it if she gets hancock back on.

It needs doing.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I’ll add I have zero respect for the names i mention just that they need to do it. Julia did very well to tee up the situation.

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

MSM have been well bought off though. Hence all the “debunk” and downplay attempts lately.

Chicot
Chicot
6 years ago

Apologies if this has been already posted. This was really good. We are told time and again that we have to do all this to protect the “vulnerable” but who has asked if they actually want to be protected?

https://twitter.com/MinistryDissent/status/1309804888889716738

Hugh
Hugh
6 years ago

I saw a comment that The Daily Mirror are running stories on people who thought that lockdown and all that was so much piffle before being affected personally. I feel I should point out therefore, that it’s not always like that.

At my 10 out of 10 prayer meeting “somewhere in the North of England” (the one with hugs and handshakes where everything is basically normal), there is someone who had asked for prayer for his father-in-law who was ill from covid-19. When I caught up with him, I asked him how his father-in-law was, and he replied that he’d died. Of course I said I’m sorry to hear it, and he then said to those of us gathered there – “don’t worry, it’s still a load of shit, keep fighting!” (there’s a few rough diamonds at this particular prayer group!) and I thought, well spoken. Such inspiring words in such difficult circumstances! I wonder how many such stories the Daily Mirror could print if they had a mind… proves that there are people who can still accept that old people dying from things that old people have always died from is no reason to remove fundamental rights, even when… Read more »

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The DM is doing little more than promoting superstition.

Stand on a crack and break your back. One day somebody stands on a crack and does in fact break their back somehow. If only they’d listened to the warnings.

A train crashes. People die. Somebody missed the train and didn’t die. It must have been fate.

People like to attribute cause and effect where in many cases it is merely chance. I believe Nassim Nicholas Taleb described this in his book “Fooled by Randomness”. I’ve not actually read the book and having seen what an ass he appears to be on Twitter I don’t think I’ll bother reading it.

A reasonable summary of the book without the need to read it can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7kpPJqac0

(I think part 1. Survivorship Bias is the most relevant section in this particular case)

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Agreed. I think the vast majority of sceptics understand they aren’t immune to the virus by virtue of their scepticism, just immune to the gross, self-harming hysteria surrounding the virus.

Ryan
Ryan
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’m flagged as being in a high risk group.

But I was in Trafalgar Square today fighting – physically – for my children to go to school, for my wife and I to go to the theatre, to take my son to the football, to sit in the pub with friends.

None of us is immune.

But I’ll taken that 99% chance.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Exactly. Well done.

Ryan
Ryan
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Trafalgar – England expects! And I say that as a Scotsman.

Hugh
Hugh
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Good on you! Scots born myself but my ancestor has a pub just off Trafalgar Square named after him (The Ship and Shovell, still closed last I saw) who I’m sure would echo the words of his fellow admiral. Wish I could have been there today (working in the North), but this is far from over – keep going til we get our rights back!

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Ah yes the pub that is really two pubs on either side of an alleyway… been there or at least one of them!

Badgerman
Badgerman
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

I was there too. Well done to you and yours. Hope you are all OK

jim j
jim j
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Old Statistical saying – Never confuse Correlation with Causation!
You get things like Wednesday being a day to be wary of shark attacks if you do!

MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
6 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Somebody somewhere is seriously ill in hospital for an illness related to the common cold, or infection related to a pet, or allergic reaction to something totally innocuous. It’s easy to create fear about anything, if you want to.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

They managed to make people neurotic about exposure to health-giving solar radiation, something as natural as the sun, with parents ending up smothering their children in harmful creams. Yes, government plus media can generate fear regarding just about anything – or make people ignore things they should fear.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

Vitamin D ‘cuts chance of coronavirus death by half’, study finds

Weren’t you censored and shunned for suggesting such witchcraft before?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Yes..

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I was gonna say that

Edward
Edward
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

“Stay at home” not such a good idea then – never mind “one hour’s exercise” which was never a rule but somehow that notion got into some people’s heads.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1309891823339360256

Singapore has one of the lowest death rate of C-19 in the world. One explanation could be C-19 mainly in rather young foreign worker population but here is another one. Singapore is following WHO guidelines on death(have anyone seen them?) and accept C-19 deaths only in pneumonia deaths.

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Singapore also got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in March by being absolutely rabid on proper handwashing and almost ignoring the mask fetish.
Of course if you assume oral-foecal transfer ( Like Norovirus & Polio) is the primary vector it knocks all the mask bollocks into complete irrelevance.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This makes sense to have some sort of symptom or descriptor for death by COVID. A positive test for SARS-COV-2 isn’t really a valid cause of death by any measure.

Sally
Sally
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Not sure I believe this about the WHO’s case definition. From a WHO document dated 7 August 2020:

3. Definition of death due to COVID-19 
A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery between the illness and death. 

Source: Public health surveillance for COVID-19 – World Health …apps.who.int › iris › rest › bitstreams › retrieve

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Thanks for the WHO def.So Singapore has just interpreted that definition as only being pneumonia deaths.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Re post from replying to call for cheer by depressed LSer below.

Isn’t it so very interesting that one week on from raab, Hancock and shapps all looking like twats over their non understanding of false positives that out of the mysterious mists came a perception that the false positives tests argument is erroneous.

Surely that is a curiousity suitable for a saturday night!

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

See a nice rebuttal of the “oh so convenient attempted doubt sowing by the boosters”:
https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-impact-of-covid-false-positives.html?m=1

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Thanks for this, the same infographic was covered by ukc who found the same erroneous assumption in it. Useful to read through at a slower pace.

It’s curious this appears to have been thrown out to defend the three government idiots named above. JHB even got shapps to agree to take the written explanation she sent him into a giv meeting for discussion. I’ve heard nothing on it only the mysterioys atempt to discredit the absolutely fatal truth.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Isn’t that an excellent piece

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Looks like she has the baton hand.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

And it is fine for her *not* to wear a mask or keep socially-distanced from her colleagues…
A bit off-topic, but I thought there was a minimum height for police? This one looks to be barely 5 ft tall!

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

we are the same height lying down!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Guy to the side has nose catchibg sun, other police were all over the shop on masks. The lot of them looked like badly train c class ranks. I found it striking.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Isn’t that a woman? Of course, harder to tell when people are masked..

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

If you are allowed to call her a woman in the traditional sense then yes she appears to be. My mistake good spot.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Incidentally, the scottish crap hats were brought in to be gender neutral – the traditional hats for male and female police were wrong. So crap hats are right. Noticed officer hats are still in operation, traffic police style.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Masks on for political effect.I saw 3 van loads at Charing Cross and not a mask in site

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

They got rid of that years ago

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I suggested eariler that she was a liability to the thugs either side of her who needed to look after her safety. Weak and small. In video she is not comfortable holding the baton. Like something out of police academy. I later realised is she there to psychologically challenge aggression. Police men do the hitting. Its a male thing, to do with feeling their authority is being challenged. Its primal and their training wires them into it, removing human empathy in order to do so.

Adamb
Adamb
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Looking forward to them blaming the forthcoming London lockdown on today’s protest

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Cressida will be happy – she’s into social shaming..

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Remember when al beeb was so upset about the nasty powice in Belarus?

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Cops in face nappies really cranks my tractor. It’s just to intimate people, totally dehumanising. A key part of the psy-ops. Cops just don’t bother with all the PPE and face masks when they are with each other. It’s all just a show for the public to either reassure…yeah right…. or to intimidate and push the covid narrative.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

At least those are surgical style masks. The cops in Preston are wearing incredibly sinister looking black masks, it’s like they’re some paramilitary unit from a tin pot dictatorship. Especially disturbing when it’s the tactical ops unit wearing them…

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve

yer i find masks just totally horrible. I can hardly…….look.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

We will win this war KH!!! It will take time but we will.

AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
6 years ago

I’m starting to actively hate the bedwetters. A friend has just lost her 31 year old cousin to cancer this week. A father of two, a hard working, Christian, family man of Afro-Caribbean heritage. A real loss to his family and community. His chemo was paused due to COVID and in the intervening 6 months his cancer became terminal. I am not just upset for my friend I am so very angry. Next time, as will undoubtedly happen, some COVID cultist tells me they have lost someone to cancer or heart disease it’s going to be very hard for me not to say to them “So not COVID then. Well who gives a shit?”.

AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
6 years ago

I’m sorry to hear that AngloWelshDragon.
That’s very sad.
I also wholeheartedly agree with you on the points you have brought up.
Condolences on that sad news.

AngloWelshDragon.
AngloWelshDragon.
6 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Thanks, my friend and her husband have both been sceptics since the start. As if the death isn’t bad enough the funeral which would normally have had hundreds of mourners, will be 15 people.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

I thought it was 30 people for a funeral and 15 for a wedding? (another rule that makes no sense..)

AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

They change the rules as they go along. The government don’t even know what it’s doing now (clearly) or even what it’s saying from one day to the next.

Boris & Handcock are utter slimey cunts.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Agreed!

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago

Take that anger and point it at those who have caused this. Start with your local MP. Tell them your personal story. Demand acknowledgement of your loss and what has played a part in it.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago

Today, I have what I assume to be a version of the common cold.

Despite only seeing friends outdoors this week. None had any noticeable symptoms and I’m generally reasonably careful with hand hygiene anyway, covid or no covid. I haven’t been to any shops, pubs or restaurants as I can’t stand all the masked-up one way system gubbins.

Yet I have still managed to inhale or ingest some kind of virus. Kind of makes a mockery of the whole zero covid strategy, doesn’t it?

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

A. Contrarian just keep an eye on your temperature, that seems to be the primary symptom.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Seems to be normal so far, mostly nasal symptoms which is why I think it’s just a cold.

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

yes.. if you havent got a temperature you are dead.. if you have then you probably have covid

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

Remember one of the symptoms is not having any symptoms!

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

You’re absolutely right.

… and anyone who can’t bear the normal hazards of living is probably better off dead, anyway, if they want to inflict their own narcissistic nervousness on everyone else.

But – if they want to hide away and just tremble – fair enough. Just don’t involve the sane.

Martin Spencer
Martin Spencer
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I’ve also got a cold.

I haven’t been near anyone for weeks.

Perhaps the official explanation of viral spread is utter bollox?

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Martin Spencer

Nice to know I’m not the only one capable of catching things from nowhere!

Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
6 years ago
Reply to  Martin Spencer

Dr John Lee is great on this – viruses just find a way..

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Martin Spencer

It’s not bollocks, it is now clear that virus spread via evil vapours in the miasma.

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Me too. Unusually for me absolutely nothing since March then a very slight cold started on Tuesday, levelled out by Thursday and largely gone now. It was probably a very heavy dose of Covid.

Kevin 2
Kevin 2
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

My personal theory is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus literally hangs around in mid-air and is transported by the mildest of airflows.
And so do many flus, colds etc.
I think the virus is highly transmissible, but has lost almost all of its virulence due to a genomic deletion, which happened quite early on.
And nearly all transmissions now are of extremely low viral load and do not lead to symptomatic illness.
Needless to say, I think masks are net harmful. Hand sanitizer and religious wiping down of surfaces strikes me as just plain crazy, and will simply encourage the emergence of new resistant bacterial pathogens (MRSA, C-Diff etc.)
Victoria and especially NZ are on a road to nowhere. (Seems to be some sort of void of information coming out of NZ, which is curious.)
Excellent handle by the way.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin 2

Studies show that kids raised in ultra-sanitised homes have less good immune systems than kids brought up on farms among animals and dirt!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

As soon as this becomes widely know i intend to make my fortune by selling little bags of soil. Free worm inside!

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin 2

Yep. I think if you’re going to get it, you’ll get it. I always get a cold in late September and this year’s is right on time, precautions or no precautions.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin 2

I pretty much agree with all you say!

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Same. I have been fighting off a TINY bit of wheesyness/cough and a sore throat for the last couple of days. The only person I have met is one mate of mine. He is a filthy individual but I stayed outside of two meters of him (usually a good idea anyway 🙂 ). We did drive around a bit too. Obviously no face nappies. He says he is fine so, I dunno. .

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

My mother used to say it was just a change in the air! Could be allergies, dust, pollens, getting chilled, getting overheated, getting wet then cold, going out with wet hair, all the old fashioned things that never worried us. Now where’s my mustard poultice……

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Hope you feel better soon.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Genomics or eugenics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y068RXDc3mM&feature=youtu.be

The man can’t even read a sentence coherently!

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Why is that bloody noise going on all the time as he speaks? It is a main stay of nearly YouTube clip I watch. Is it put there to prompt you to switch off? Because if it is it is very effective.

Nsklent
Nsklent
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Ì am not one for course language, but to summarise bollock speak … said as an applied linguist.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Eugenics slogan used to be the conscious evolution of man. So yes, on thst basis it is – knowing what we all do about where genetic design is leading.

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago

eat out to help out? Tell you what I did. I went to my local Italian every Friday lunchtime-very quiet- no expense to the tax payer- and no chance of infecting/being infected.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

I’ve just watched the documentary on Bernard Haitink (BBC2 – still doing some good stuff when you ignore the News)

One of the most moving extracts was his recounting of his feelings about the end of the war in the Netherlands – a time that most would have recalled as literally ‘liberating’.

His deeply moving memories were different – about the deep hypocrisy of many who had collaborated in the oppression.

It rang bells with current cheering about VE Day etc. – ???

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Very sensible idea!

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

Probably irrelevant but who knows in this dystopian country,I’ve noticed on an aircraft tracking site that a Police surveillance aircraft,G-POLX,has been making many circuits of Sheffield,Royston near Barnsley and St Neots in Cambridgeshire since earlier this evening.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Interesting, who lives in those places?

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

We had this over Gainsborough & Grantham a few months ago, but that iirc, was a fixed wing aircraft, is this an helicopter?

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

nope – it is a fixed wing police aircraft . there are a couple that the NPAS took on last year . probably cheaper to run and more range than helicopters. Based at Finningley Just been looking at its trips for the last week and just seems to be general police surveillance as needed by different forces.
And nothing unusual…
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-polx
Not like the grantham ones… they were odd , but not police

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

SAGE scientists suggested a plan for EVERYONE over the age of 45 to shield at home
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775083/Plan-age-45-shield-home-remains-review-SAGE.html

It was suggested those over 45 were at greater risk from the virus, and more likely to die from it, so could be ‘segmented’ from the rest of the population. The suggestion, revealed in papers from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), was eventually advised against, as it was considered unlikely to be successful.
However, it is being kept under review, and news of it follows a similar option drawn up by officials to potentially target over-50s with another lockdown.

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

as I’m 50+ wfh, happy to stay at home.
Might fuck the economy though!

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I’m over 70 and I will not stop at home.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I’m nearly 60 If they want they can pay me to retire now and I will go and do some gardening.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I’m retired. I get £170 per week. Doesn’t cover bills!

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

No offence Cheezilla I am just so pee’d off with this now anything would be better than where we are at at the moment.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Under 45 covid only deaths in scotland – 2

Under 60 covid only deaths UK total – 307

SAGE has a nudge unit staff be evils. Perhaps the story is more nudge the science – perhaps evil is now at work above all other rationales.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

56

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

56

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

He already likes hiding at home!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

One of his many homes?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

56

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Age limit of 45 would see most MPs at home, wouldn’t it? Maybe that is the plan… harder to have a proper debate via zoom..

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago

The Guardian: Welcome to libertarian Covid fantasy land – that’s Sweden to you and me.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/26/welcome-to-libertarian-covid-fantasy-land-thats-sweden-to-you-and-me

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

A lot of that article fails to understand how benefits in Sweden really work. He also does not seem to know that the national unemployment agency was (likely still may be) under threat of being closed down because it was so rubbish at helping people find jobs. Lots of Swedes get jobs through their personal network..

The writer seems also not to know that Swedish healthcare is not free, so that has to be budgeted for in levels of benefits. Also there are extremely strict limits on what accommodation you can rent if you are on any type of benefit.. You are additionally expected to sell your car and (if you have one, which large numbers of people do) your summer cottage before you are eligible for state benefits..

Oh, and for the umpteenth time, Sweden did not lock down and neither is Tegnell planning to do so.. It is best to listen to the press conferences LIVE rather than relying on the UK MSM’s ‘spin’ on what he says…

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Thanks Carrie. Always a gem to offer a personal view. The media are a disgrace.

I mean that article is a headache. Oh, its not the virus, it’s because we are not cohesive.

This kind of huckster argument is so infuriating. If we only believe enough it’ll see us through. If it kills us, it’s our fault. So many parallels with the meritocracy nonsense. If you don’t succeed it’s because you didn’t try enough. Not because the system is rigged.

Or if you didn’t defeat Cancer its because you ain’t brave enough. It’s all coming from the same place. It’s a narrative to keep you distracted from the truth.

Old normal
Old normal
6 years ago

This is what we’re up against.

From earlier this week:

Vitamin D does not appear to have any impact on reducing the incidence of Covid-19, Health Secretary Matt Hancock told MPs today.

He said: ‘Vitamin D is one of the many things that we looked into to see whether it reduces the incidence or the impact of coronavirus and I’ve seen reports that it does.

‘We therefore put it into a trial and unfortunately the results were that it doesn’t appear to have any impact.’

Then this today proving the opposite:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-treatment-vitamin-d-deficiency-risk-a4556891.html

It gets weirder by the day. A health secretary with no medical background telling us he’s following the science when it actually disproves what he’s saying.

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
6 years ago
Reply to  Old normal

This is really good too.
https://youtu.be/ZqZLMoLvhgk

Silke David
Silke David
6 years ago
Reply to  Old normal

I guess treatment with Vit D AFTER the effect is useless. Like taking lots of VC when you have the sniffles. You just piss it out again.
Building up your immune system is the long game, not fixable in a few weeks.

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