Panicking Boris Imposes Second Lockdown
Late on Tuesday night the Government announced a raft of new restrictions would be imposed in England from next Monday. The BBC has more.
Social gatherings of more than six people will be illegal in England from Monday – with some exemptions – amid a steep rise in coronavirus cases.
A new legal limit will ban larger groups meeting anywhere socially indoors or outdoors, No 10 said.
But it will not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports.
It will be enforced through a £100 fine if people fail to comply with police, doubling up to a maximum of £3,200.
Don’t imagine the “workplace” exemption applies to restaurants, pubs and cafes. According to the BBC: “The change applies to… gatherings indoors and outdoors, in private homes, public outdoor spaces, and venues such as pubs and restaurants.”
This is in response to the rise in cases in the community – 2,460 new cases on Tuesday – which, as I explained in the Telegraph on Monday, is an artefact of increased testing. In the past week alone there have been over 1.3m coronavirus tests, compared to just 95,188 in the first week of April.
Admittedly, daily deaths increased to 32 yesterday, up from a handful on Sunday and Monday. But that’s likely to be due to delayed reporting over the weekend rather than a rise in infections. After all, the mean lag time between infection and death – in those rare cases when infection actually results in death – is 18 days and 18 days ago infections weren’t rising. And the number of deaths in the past seven days is the lowest it’s been since the peak last April.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but the fact that Government has decided to react in this way to what is clearly just an increase in false positives is quite extraordinary. Are senior politicians really that innumerate? The answer is “yes”, obviously. The really infuriating thing is that, with schools re-opening, life was beginning to feel almost normal again and the the hospitality industry was showing signs of life. As of next Monday, we’ll be back to where we were before July 4th.
Stop Press: The Government is considering imposing the UK’s first curfew in Bradford, according to the Times.
People could be banned from going out after 10pm or 11pm in hotspots under measures to tame rises in infections which are largely driven by socialising. It is understood that Bradford is being considered for a curfew after ministers required venues in Bolton to close after 10pm.
Ministers have been impressed by how Belgium brought cases under control by early imposition of tough restrictions such as banning people in some cities from leaving home at night except for work or medical care.
Impressed by Belgium?!? I wonder who “ministers” will look to for inspiration next? Kim-Jong Dan?
Eminent Scientists Pooh-Pooh “Second Wave” Hypothesis, Cast Doubt on PCR Testing Data
Lockdown Sceptics is proud to bring you a new paper today by three distinguished scientists laying bare the Government’s lunacy. Entitled “How Likely is a Second Wave?”, it’s by Paul Kirkham, Professor of Cell Biology and Head of Respiratory Disease Research Group at Wolverhampton University, Dr Mike Yeadon, former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd, and Barry Thomas, one of only a handful of epidemiologist to work with the NHS.
Their thesis, in a nutshell, is that the virus has essentially run its course in the UK, as it has in several European countries and US states; the herd immunity threshold is much lower than was originally anticipated, thanks in large part to T-cell cross immunity; any talk of a ‘second wave’ is for the birds and the NHS will be more than capable of coping with the influx of Covid patients this winter without cancelling elective surgeries or turfing patients out of critical care beds; and any PCR test data apparently contradicting this analysis (like that of the last three days) should be taken with a large dose of salt because of the test’s tendency to produce false positives, as well as ‘cold positives’ (when someone who has had COVID-19 and made a complete recovery tests positive).
It’s very clearly written, with the argument set out in easy-to-understand steps, and mercifully free of technical jargon. If I was setting up an “independent SAGE” – as opposed to the rag bag of Labour-supporting has-beens that goes by the name of “independent SAGE” – these three men would be on it.
Here’s the section in which they pooh-pooh the idea that a second wave is imminent.
Daily deaths from and with COVID-19 have almost ceased, having fallen over 99% from peak. All the numbers monitored carefully fall like this, too: the numbers being hospitalised, numbers in hospital, number in intensive care – all are falling in synchrony from the April peak. Viral evidence historically tells us that you don’t generally get infected by the exact same virus twice, certainly not within a short period of time. It’d be a poor immune system which lets that happen and we’d probably not have made it as a species into the 21st century if that’s how it worked. So there’s an expectation of some duration of immunity. It needs studying, but our experience and evidence for coronaviruses (Le Bert et al, 2020) suggests that if you have memory T-cells, durability can be very long lasting. This study showed that people still had robust T-cell responses in 2020, 17 years after the first SARS outbreak back in 2003. The concerns people have expressed about falling antibody levels underscores a lack of knowledge about acquired immunity. It is not efficient nor required for immunity to maintain high levels of antibodies to everything to which you are immune. Instead, cellular memory enables very rapid re-generation of antibodies upon re-encounter with the antigen, if that is required to defend the host. Alternatively, innate and cellular memory responses can be sufficient.
The NHS currently remains ‘COVID-19 ready’ in preparation for an expected second wave, a highly unlikely scenario based upon an initial model with highly sensitive input variables that we already know to be inaccurate. The evidence we’ve presented leads us to believe there is unlikely to be a second wave and that while there have been apparent multi-‘wave’ respiratory viruses in the past, notably 1918-20, in many cases it became clear that this was either different populations being infected at different times or in some cases multiple different organisms involved. There is no biological principle that leads us to expect a second wave based on the accumulation of data over the past six months. Instead, it is likely there will be local, small and self-limiting mini-outbreaks as areas previously unexposed come into contact with the virus.
This is a proper, serious piece of work by three sober-minded scientists drawing on a large body of recent scientific research. Everyone should read it in full.
Unseemly Rant on TalkRadio
I was interviewed by Dan Wootton on TalkRadio yesterday evening and was so furious about the looming over-reaction to the rising case numbers I embarked on a seven-minute rant. Poor Dan could barely get a word in. Not for the faint-hearted.
Update on Maternity Madness
The reader who emailed us about the difficulty her daughter was having persuading the NHS to allow her husband to be present for their baby’s first scan has got back in touch with some good news.
An update on the maternity madness. My son and daughter-in-law have just booked a 20 week scan at a private clinic in Solihull which allows fathers to attend, all for a very reasonable charge of £49 which includes a 4D scan and two photographs. Shame on the NHS for their unnecessary restrictive rules. I think more and more people will be looking to go private when they discover that it isn’t prohibitively expensive, particularly as the NHS currently charges £10 per scan photograph.
SAGE “Expert” Claiming Epidemic “Taking Off Again” Recommended Herd Immunity in March
Professor John Edmunds, a member of SAGE, made quite a splash when he appeared on Peston on Monday night and warned that cases were “increasing exponentially”.
Prof Edmunds, from the Faculty of Epidemiology and Population Health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said that although we are all still socially distancing far more than we were before the virus arrived, we have not “hit the sweet spot” that allows more normal economic activity and simultaneous control of the spread of the virus.
Prof Edmunds said that the autumn will be a challenge, because the rate of reproduction of the virus or R rate is above one – when schools and universities are re-opening.
He raised the prospect not just of more local lockdowns but also of renewed national curbs on our freedoms – because opening schools and universities would have “an epidemiological effect” everywhere.
“I didn’t want us to relax measures so much that we couldn’t open the schools safely without it tipping the reproduction number significantly above 1. And we are already above 1 and we’ve opened schools. So this is a risky period”.
He added: “The epidemic continues to increase and then we have Christmas. And that is very difficult. What is Christmas? Well it’s meeting with your family very close. Restaurants and pubs and stuff like that. And it’s all high risk. And it’s all indoors. Indoors makes a difference.”
Very worrying, right? Well, no, not really. John Edmunds is the same “expert” who told Channel 4 News back on March 13th that the most effective strategy for dealing with the epidemic was “herd immunity”. Tomas Pueyo was the other interviewee in the segment – picked, presumably, because he was a passionate lockdown advocate, unlike Edmunds at the time. You can read a transcript of the exchange here, but the critical section went as follows:
Presenter: John Edmunds, should we be declaring a state of national emergency here – something as dramatic as that?
Edmunds: No.
Presenter: No?
Edmunds: For what gain? What gain would we get from that? So we’re going to get people up into a panic and stuff? We need people to come with us in a stepwise way. This epidemic is not going to be over in a week or a month, this epidemic is going to last for most of this year, and so if we’re going to ask people to change their behaviour quite radically, it’s going to be very difficult for them to do, it’s going to have major economic and social impacts, on them, then we’re going to have to limit the amount that we’re going to ask them to do, yeah?
Presenter: Limit the amount that we’re going to ask people to do.
Edmunds: So we stop the epidemic, or we slow the epidemic right down, so that the NHS doesn’t become overwhelmed, hospitals don’t become overwhelmed, that’s the idea. The only way to stop this epidemic is indeed to achieve herd immunity.
You were right then, John, wrong now.
How “experts” like Edmunds continue to be taken seriously is beyond me.
£35,532 a Year to Play Netball in Masks
An aunt has written to us with some disturbing news about her niece who is at Sedburgh School (annual fees for boarders: £35,532).
Have just spoken to my sister whose four children went back to Sedbergh School yesterday (up in the middle of absolutely nowhere on the Yorks/Lancs/Cumbria border, surrounded by hills) and my niece aged 13 had to play a netball match yesterday in a mask. To my mind this is nothing short of criminal. What the actual?
Forget Dystopialand. Try Center Parcs
A woman has been in touch to tell us about her trip to Center Parcs in Woburn with her four boys. Sounds a lot better than Disneyland Paris!
There are some positives that I have enjoyed from the experience and some basically absurd rules.
Firstly, when you are ordering food and drink in the bars and restaurants you scan in a QR code and get up the menu to place your food and drink orders. So no waiting for ages at the bar to get served, plus while bowling I could ensure a steady flow of porn star martinis without interrupting the game! The bowling seemed to improve too.
On the subject of the bowling another plus we didnt have to wear hideous bowling shoes. Every other lane closed for social distancing though and absolutely no ball sharing with other lanes!
Now to the tropical swimming paradise. Anyone who has ever been knows it’s not paradise, but due to Covid the numbers on how many can go in the pool area are severely restricted. Now it is more like paradise! You had a temperature check on entering the changing rooms but once through that the changing rooms were spotless, it was wonderful. You only had two hours in the pool – back to coloured wrist bands – but two hours is more than enough. You are restricted to two visits to the pool over your whole stay which have to be booked in advance – again more than enough for me – there were very little queues for flumes, cyclone, typhoon ride, but queuing for the rapids was longer, though again not too bad. The real plus was that once you were on the rapids it’s just you and your family – fantastic!
The absurdest of it all is when you enter The Plaza where we went to play badminton, among other activities. You are informed by the Gestapo on the door that you HAVE to wear a mask. But it really is a miracle, because soon as you get to your badminton court or other activity you can’t catch Covid anymore so you don’t have to wear a mask! The Government should look into this technology for shops as I’m sure it would go down well and get more people out spending money.
The time here so far has felt at times wonderfully normal and at times infuriated at the madness of it all. How sustainable it is for the park in the long term I don’t know. The supermarket staff said they are only at 65% capacity and that’s a big increase on previous weeks in school holidays, which surprised me. The restaurants/bars are quieter than normal and all food menus seem greatly reduced but overall it has been a lovely break. Some changes I hope they keep and some I hope disappear very soon. On to Cornwall for a week after this.
Allison Pearson Lets Hancock Have It
Pearson is always worth reading – one of the Telegraph’s best columnists. But her column in today’s paper, laying into Handy Cock, among others, is a joy. Here are the opening few paragraphs.
I despair I really do. The powers of the wretched Coronabeast are waning fast. “It has burnt through the dry grass, mainly those who would have died anyway in the next few months, and now it is infecting younger age groups but not harming them,” says a scientist friend. Admissions are only a fraction of the level compared to peak of the pandemic despite warnings of a second wave rolling across Europe. “Covid has gone from our wards, has been for weeks” reports the head nurse at one of the UK’s largest hospitals, “I can’t understand what the Government are going on about.”
Boy, are they going on. And on. England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Jonathan Van Tam – a Chieftain tank in human form – was deployed this week to warn that the public has “relaxed too much”. Relaxed? How much generalised anxiety, cyclists wearing masks, children instructed not to turn around in classrooms, empty trains, cancelled holidays, people solemnly washing groceries in Covid-free areas and all the other pointless pantomime of panic would be sufficient for the Professor? The nation’s a complete basket case and he wants us to keep weaving.
And then there’s Matt Hancock. Like Private Frazer in Dad’s Army, our Secretary of State for Health has a lip-smacking relish for doom. As children settle back in the classroom after almost six months without friends or lessons and young people prepare for university, Matt had a few uplifting words to give them the confidence they so desperately need: “Don’t kill your gran!”
I can’t believe he actually said that. Either Hancock doesn’t understand the science or he is wilfully misinterpreting the data to keep the population as terrified as possible. Yes, there were almost 3,000 new “cases” on two successive days this week. But PCR tests, like all medical tests, are not perfect and can be unreliable. Covid “cases” sound alarming, but a case can be anyone with a few remnants of virus on a swab test who presents zero risk. ICUs are still, in the main, eerie ghost towns. Corona deaths are down to a handful a day out of a population of 66 million. Basically, I have more chance of marrying Brad Pitt than you have of dying from COVID-19.
At their best, newspaper columnists give voice to the feelings of millions of ordinary people and that’s what Allison Pearson does in this piece. Something is stirring in Middle England and when it fully awakes it will be a sight to behold. Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan have interviewed Lord Sumption for their latest ‘Planet Normal’ podcast.
Postcard From Angola
We got a fantastic postcard yesterday from a resident of Luanda in Angola. Nice to know there are sceptics in every port! The author draws attention to the way in which the lockdowns have been amplified in African states, with corrupt governments using them as excuses to entrench their authoritarian rule and ride roughshod over human rights. We think we’ve got it bad in Western cities like London and New York, but the people of Angola and other African countries have it far, far worse. A sobering read.
Here’s an extract.
I thought it would be worth it to stress the immense, gargantuan damage that the COVID-19 global reaction is causing to most African countries. I’m not here referring only to the obvious economic chaos, misery and hunger that will be spread over years to come, in which deaths will surely be measured in millions. Rather, I’d like to point out that what is happening right now in countries like Angola. It far outreaches, by orders of magnitude, what in the West is perceived as eroding personal liberties and growing authoritarianism. It brings dystopian perceptions to new unthinkable levels.
Angola is a country in tropical Africa of roughly 30 million people, has of the youngest and fastest-growing populations in the world, and ranks quite high when it comes to corruption, child mortality and lack of access to health care, even by African standards. And, of course, it is plagued by all sorts of diseases, in which malaria and diarrhea account for most of the annual mortality. It is also one of the last countries on earth still battling to eradicate polio, and even a few years back experienced an outbreak of Marburg virus, an Ebola-related disease. You would think that a country with this record and problems would have better things to worry about than COVID-19. And, of course, given its young population, with no care homes, the few that reach old age cannot afford to carry lasting and chronic co-morbidities (so, of course, they die of those co-morbidities before even having the chance of contracting flu, let alone Covid). Living in a tropical setting subject to warm and moist weather, the population should be pretty unaffected by COVID-19. And not to mention that Angolans, and possibly most Africans, have likely much stronger cross-immunity developed from being constantly exposed to all sorts of viruses on a daily basis!
Against this background you would hope that Angolan decision makers would take the global hysteria with a pinch of salt, and decide go on with their lives and possibly even try to recover some of the development lag towards the rest of the world, right? Well, no. Instead, we bought into this world madness with a zeal that would make proud some of your most fervent bedwetting western politicians. Maybe it is not so surprising if one considers that this is a free ticket to increased authoritarian measures and a tighter grip on a police state. So Angola quickly went into a strict lockdown in March, suppressing people’s movements and liberties etc., and has remained locked down since.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- ‘There must be a “No-Lockdown Party”‘ – Australian law Professor, arch-sceptic and loyal reader of Lockdown Sceptics Prof Jim Allen tells Sky News Australia’s Allan Jones that it’s time to set up a “No-Lockdown Party”. Interesting idea…
- Journalist and activist Avi Remini arrested at anti-lockdown protest – Shocking footage of journalist and activist Avi Remini being arrested and thrown to the ground while trying to cover an anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne
- ‘Where is the Resistance to CovidMania?‘ – Paul Collits asks why there’s been so little opposition to the emergence of a dictatorship in the state of Victoria from Australia’s political class
- ‘Labs told to run some patients’ COVID-19 tests twice amid concerns of false-positives‘ – About bloody time!
- ‘Sturgis biker rally adds 267,000 COVID cases and $12.2B in health costs, report says‘ – Lockdown zealots keep bringing this up. Someone needs to debunk this. Volunteers please
- ‘United States Looks Set To Lose $155 Billion From Missing International Tourists And Visitors, Says WTTC‘ – Is that all? WTTC stands for the World Travel and Tourism Council
- ‘Trump Says Schools Teaching NY Times’ 1619 Project “Will Not Be Funded”‘ – God help me, if I was a US citizen I think I’d vote for him
- ‘BBC hold “avoiding racial bias” training session with on-air talent ahead of new football season with phrases such as “cakewalk”, “nitty gritty”, “sold down the river” and “blackballed” put on a banned list‘ – The BBC, in avoiding the nitty gritty, has sold viewers down the river. Let’s blackball the Beeb. It’ll be a cakewalk
- ‘France Again Being Forced To Stimulate Is Bad News‘ – France is facing one of Europe’s worst recessions and its deepest since World War Two. The fact that the Government is having to stimulate the French economy again does not bode well
- ‘Summary of case against lockdowns‘ – Good summary of the case against lockdowns by data expert Anthony Bruce. Lots of graph porn
- ‘Subjecting the young to yet more Covid restrictions is stark staring mad‘ – Excellent piece by Annabel Fenwick Elliott in the Telegraph
- ‘Greece exodus begins as flight prices skyrocket‘ – Quarantine restrictions will shortly apply to travellers returning from seven Greek islands so, predictably, flights from those islands to the UK have gone up in price
- ‘Fraudulent furlough claimants may have cost taxpayer £3.5bn‘ – Not us, guv. Honest
- ‘COVID-19 cases and the weekend effect‘ – The saintly Carl Heneghan in the Spectator
- Virus Mania – Check out the book on the massive overreaction to viral outbreaks by paranoid states by Torsten Engelbrecht, an award-winning investigative journalist in Hamburg. He wrote a piece recently about the unreliability of the PCR test for Off-Guardian
- ‘American Airlines policy allowing BLM pins faces backlash from workers‘ – Pin-demonium brewing at American Airlines, according to the New York Post
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Five today: “Life’s A Risky Business” by Honey B and The T-Bones, “It’s Dangerous Business Walking Out Your Front Door” by Underoath, “Don’t Risk It” by Saturn Will Survive and “We’re All Gonna Die” by Slash.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again) and some of them will have to close again on September 14th. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 10th to Oct 20th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 31,500).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: Check out this ghastly video by a troupe of bedwetting Broadway singers in which they sing a version of “Masquerade”, but shoe-horn in some pro-mask propaganda. Don’t they realise that the longer they promote Coronaphobia, the less likely musical theatre is to survive?
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And Finally…
In the latest episode of London Calling, the weekly podcast I do with James Delingpole, we rant about the Government’s panicky reaction to the rising case numbers, complain about the double standard whereby anti-lockdown protestors are fined £10,000 but XR and BLM protestors can do whatever they like and sing the praises of Cobra Kai and The Boys Season 2, which is even more politically incorrect and violent than Season 1. Listen to it here and don’t forget to subscribe!
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johnson & Hancock out now get rid https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk
Can nothing be done to challenge the government on this??? A legal challenge similar to Gina Millers Brexit challenge???
All I can say reading this website is that local councils and this lot giving them advice are either failing miserably a incompetents, ignoring their local population and there realities of life or just enjoying the power.
https://www.local.gov.uk/our-support/coronavirus-information-councils
I think the world has gone raving bonkers allowing an insane lunatic(Bill Gates)to dictate to school boy world leaders in an evil plan to vaccinate 99% of the planet with an untested vaccine and receive his ID 2020 mark of the beast.You can read about this in the Bible Rev ch 13.
PS note they are the 1% who wont get the above…
SO TIME TO MOVE ON TO THE THURSDAY PAGE
before we get fined for an unlawful assembly
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What happens to employees on furlough come October?
We know the money will stop. Some offices will only allow 20% of staff back so they can comply with social distancing rules. Perhaps it is worth looking the definition of furlough
A furlough is a temporary leave of employees due to special needs of a company or employer, which may be due to economic conditions of a specific employer or in society as a whole. These involuntary furloughs may be short or long term, and many of those affected may seek other temporary employment during that time.
Will employees find themselves in a state of permanent financial limbo?. Not sacked or made redundant. On unpaid leave and not able to claim benefits as they are still ’employed”
Around 50% of small and medium businesses are on the brink of collapse.
Solution? Impose another Lockdown!
“The people get the government they deserve”. Was de Maistre talking about now?!
Discuss!
It appears that Matt Hancock doesn’t really know what happened in Sweden. Was on Julia Hartley-Brewer this morning.
Dr Vernon Coleman is now on brandnewtube.
https://brandnewtube.com/search?keyword=vernon+coleman
An account from an Oxford vaccine trial participant.
Temp 39°c. Servere fever. Control is an established meningitis vaccine. Two doses better than one. Booster seperate to this. Then the pause because of another participants reaction. No mention of the pause because of one participant developing MS, later not attributed to the vaccine trial.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/09/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trial-participant-undeterred-by-pause
Effing unbelievable! In order to take part in the vaccine trial you have to be generally healthy! Why? Why, if you are hoping to vaccinate everyone, including those with compromised health.
Del Bigtree’s non-profit, ICAN, petitioned the FDA with respect to using a proper placebo in testing the Covid vaccines in the US and won. It’s precisely because they wanted to use the meningitis vaccine as the placebo — a vaccine that, itself, was never tested against a saline placebo and can have serious side effects. I don’t expect better results from the Moderna and other vaccine trials with respect to adverse reactions, but at least they’re testing it against a true placebo so it’ll be more difficult to argue it wasn’t the vaccine. The companies paused the trials but are now trying to hide any adverse reactions by only following the participants for a short time. That’s another thing the pharma companies do — conduct extremely short safety trials such that any ill effects beyond that period aren’t chalked up to the vaccine.
Technical point.
Scrolling down the comments from ‘oldest first’, came to a dead end at ’10 hours ago’.
Is that because I’m reading on Android or has 2,300 comments overwhelmed Toby’s host system ?
Probably Android…I have experienced the same.
Thank you OKUK
Got to say it is going to be a long hard cold winter.
Maybe our beloved leaders will throw in some power cuts for good measure, just to ensure we are getting the message.
Anyone for bowl of borscht for Christmas lunch, maybe with a dry crust. We have to take our small pleasures when they are given.
I suggested as theme tune
The Damned ‘Wait For The Blackout’.
I think social distancing and social isolation for having a cough will bring disruption to energy supplies. Too many pen pushers in government jobs simply don’t get how the real economy works. They think they can magic up food or heat with a stroke of the pen. In a power cut, huddling up to other people can help keep you warm.
I liked the power cuts in the 70s, meant I could go down the pub leaving mum and dad shivering at home in the dark.
Wouldn’t work now, pubs still had mechanical tills and proper hand pumps then.
Power cuts will disable the computer technology that has made lockdown possible. They would force us to leave our Zoom screens and interact face to face again.
And I’m not sure about the “cold” bit. Global warming is real. We don’t get much snow any more. Floods and hurricanes perhaps.
Oh please, climate has been cyclical since time began. Floods in the UK are mainly down to inappropriate development or/ and lack of river maintenance. A bit like the Aussie fires were exacerbated by green policies of not clearing dry scrub.
i agree with you. If anything, the picture is even worse than portrayed by the official mantra of “green” energy. Prof peter Wadhams in his book, A Farewell to Ice, pointed out that the IPCC has fraudulently presented data to the downside. ie measurements for Arctic ice thickness (carried out by submarine etc)were actually worse than that forecast by computer models, so the IPCC went with the computer model, and Wadhams got pensioned off by Cambridge University.
Oh, I thought the ice was all gone by 2004? I must have read that somewhere… great that it pulled through, much like humankind and C19 will.
Never mind, at least Tuvalu is still with us, ten years after it was supposed to sink beneath the waves.
Sourdough is tasty.
They are talking curfew now in the U.K. Okay?!
Insane! You guys have elections coming up, too? Can’t have that anti-lockdown party soon enough…
These people are loony and they belong in the loony bin.
Death figures for Covid are hard to come by these days in the UK media (presumably because the numbers are so low) … am I right in thinking the death toll reported on 9 Sept was 8…or in other words a 70% or thereabouts reduction on the bogus inflated figure of 30 reported the previous day.
By the way – can I just take this opportunity to register my absolute disgust with the people who claim to be journalists working for the BBC, Sky and ITV. They pose as fearless seekers after the truth. But the Covid business shows them to be mere cyphers and propagandists. They really are beneath contempt, being such terrible liars.
Our TV license expires next month, it will not be renewed. The BBC have stitched up the people of The UK, I have not watch any TV since the first week of April.
Mrs Doubting has watched a few things off iPlayer, but we can live without it.
Listen to the Richie Allen show. Australian Rules here you go!
https://player.fm/series/the-richie-allen-show-2428800/the-richie-allen-show-wednesday-september-9th-2020
Around 12 minutes.
The government, The Rule of Six.
Me, Six of One.
http://www.sixofone.co
Would you have been a Nazi?
Flirted with the idea of enforced vaccinations ✔️
Called someone a covidiot ✔️
Adhered to laws even though they appear clearly unjust ✔️
Any more?
Unthinkingly accepting lying propaganda as true. Tick!
Reported a neighbour, friend or family member for breaches of state covid dictats.
Blames societal problems on a specific group, wishes they could be removed. Tick.
That’s pretty much the entirety of BLM and the antiracism industry then.
Phoned Jeremy Vines radio show to demand full lockdown until the Spring, enforced by The Army “who could also deliver rations and stuff…”.
I heard that guy on LBC too! That was so creepy, deranged!
Sounded thick as shit to me Jim.
Phoned the police to inform them your neighbour had visitors.
Will claim afterwards that you were just following orders.
Enacted laws/guidance knowing that people would die “for the greater good”.
Punished people for not obeying said laws/guidance.
Encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours.
Censored views that were contrary to their own beliefs.
Indoctrinating your children and ensuring that they wear the uniform of compliance?
Turned our friendly neighbourhood coppers into Stasi goons to illegally rough up a 70 year old man for expressing lawful dissent.
AstraZeneca blew it. Man developed spinal problems. Want 10,000 more volunteers.
Has anyone got latest and updated cases v hospitalisations v death for Germany, Spain and France.
Clear data seems somewhat hard to find.
Whitty and co must be seeing something ok the horizon, we should be allowed to validate that ourselves.
Anyone got updated and accurate numbers?
Found. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-todays-data-geographic-distribution-covid-19-cases-worldwide
The update is this is a seasonal virus that has now burnt out. More people are having complications from flu than from this. End of story.
Can you explain that please? What backs up that statement?
Richie Allen today interviews Marcus deBrun and Jon Kirby. Jon Kirby lives in Stockholm. Second half of the show.
https://player.fm/series/the-richie-allen-show-2428800/the-richie-allen-show-wednesday-september-9th-2020
Gareth Icke tweets
“This is fucking sickening. When is enough going to be enough?!
Sydney family told only one child can go to Queensland to say goodbye to dying father”
The tweet shows a picture with maybe 5 grandchildren.
For those that don’t know Tom Hanks had been allowed into Queensland without observing quaratine to attend a film premieré.
Tom Hanks ‘I’m a celebrity, let me in here’.
Tom Hanks who doesn’t respect you if you don’t wear a mask
Has recently applied for Greek citizenship and is planning on moving there along with the family?
Seems Nigel and Richard are finally stirring up a bit of resistance. I prefer Tice’s angle as Farage just sounds like he wants illegal raves carpet bombed in order for him to accept the new T&C’s !
Have they been asleep the last six months? I welcome anyone getting on the Sceptic Bus but it’s hard to take them seriously. They had an open goal and they chose to hoof the ball over the Dover Straits.
You are confusing them with proper libertarians. I scoured the UKIP site for scepticism but they barely touched on the virus issue. Representation for our cause is buried somewhere in the Conservative party. The Left for their part are enjoying it all too much, the argument that lockdown impoverishes doesn’t seem to grab them for some reason.
Farage has stuck to the strategy of concentrating on Brexit, and nothing else. There is merit in it. After all, we are still not really out, and Brino still seems the likeliest result.
Your faith in the Tories is delusional. Even if a couple attempt at this late stage to walk both sides of the street, are we supposed to be grateful? The Tory Party is perpetrator, and (though this move will be attempted) will never be able to present itself as liberator.
There’s merit in that if you only care about one aspect of your country’s future. I expect more from people who put themselves forward as potential leaders of our country.
That’s a fair point.
I started to seriously doubt Farage when applying for a Brexit candidacy for the elections, the process was questionable and poorly organised. For someone that rightfully protested the erosion of sovereignty and freedom of rule as a reason to leave the EU, I am on the back foot, though not totally surprised, sadly, that there has been little resistance from him on the current extreme situation. I do start wondering whether his protestations about the EU were mere theatre, and considering he dropped the opposition twice at the crucial moment, both for UKIP and Brexit, really begs questions.
So where do we go?
“The Tory Party is perpetrator, and (though this move will be attempted) will never be able to present itself as liberator.“
I think they will, but it will probably (hopefully) require a pretty complete change of leadership. Not as complete as I would like, though, I suspect.
The reason I think it will is that the opposition parties positioned themselves on the wrong side even of the hopelessly out on the wrong limb “Conservatives”. In the absence of meaningful new parties arising, we will be left perforce to choose between the “Conservatives” and Labour again. And most likely the issues when it comes to voting will not be lockdown, any more than the Iraq outrage was a decisive issue in the 2005 election, though the economic consequences of lockdown etc will still be oppressing us.
But people forget quickly, especially when the elites want them to. If Johnson goes (as I’m sure he will) and a new “Conservative” leader takes over, I think that it’s perfectly possible that new leadership will be able to rewrite itself into the position of being relatively anti-lockdown compared to the Labour and LibDem parties (which after all is basically the truth). And too much… Read more »
The problem is that what you describe is exactly what Tory strategists must have wargamed when they decided to do lockdown and kill 200,000. Knowing that, are we prepared to reward them for their strategic cleverness?
We are not alone in having worked this out, and that is why the Tories have permanently eroded their own core support. This is the kind of thing the Tory Party exists to prevent, not to perpetrate. They’ve destroyed their own purpose in the eyes of conservatives.
“Knowing that, are we prepared to reward them for their strategic cleverness?”
Nothing I wrote there was written in a spirit of advocacy or enthusiasm (except perhaps for my brief indulgence of the fantasy of new parties arising). I merely suggest what experience suggests to me will be a likely outcome. And I certainly won’t be voting for them anyway, short of a complete replacement of the party hierarchy and a recognition that the whole coronapanic was a disastrous crime and, worse, blunder, that must never be repeated.
The “Conservatives” have been taking their natural supporters for granted and shifting to the left to win empty election victories (empty for genuine conservatives, that is, obviously not for the party apparatchiks) for more than half a century now. Will it really be different this time?
Never forget that we here are still a very small minority and the concerns and feelings you see expressed here are not necessarily representative of those in the wider population.
They just want the population control laws in place for when they make the putsch.
“Representation for our cause is buried somewhere in the Conservative party.”
It’s buried pretty damned deep, then!
Er – Farage left UKIP a long time ago…I am talking about his current “party” ie The Brexit Party – not a real Party since members have precisely no role on policy making.
Not quite true as:
1) the only members are Farage himself and maybe Tice and a few others. The mass ‘membership’ are only registered supporters. This prevents entryism but loses the potential for local organisation, reversing the situation of UKIP up to 2016;
2) the registered supporters are sent regular surveys on policy. Obviously, the areas of interest and the questions are decided above, but the level of input is at least comparable to other parties.
You confirm what I said – not a real party. I think Lockdown makes my point. If TBP had been a real Party the membership would have ensured Farage and co. would have opposed the Lockdown Lunacy rather than making themselves complicit in it.
Do you think the members of ‘real’ parties are all in agreement with lockdown? Maybe they are, but even if they weren’t it wouldn’t matter, as that’s not how ‘real’ parties actually work.
TBP is, you are right, a simulacrum of a political party that was necessarily put together in a hurry. But, as such, it is a not wholly ineffective simulacrum, and even if it were a ‘proper’ party it is difficult to see how the outcome could have been far different, given what we know about how ‘real’ parties work.
What a lovely read for the end of the day.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/09/britains-second-lockdown-will-even-terrible-first/
Does this website and forum need to shoulder some responsibility for not getting our views across better and sooner?
This was all on the cards weeks ago but it took one days’ stats to force the new rules.
How does our voice become louder and more impactful?
It’s surely make or break now.
I keep reading that “it’s gone” – does everyone on here really believe that?
What makes US as sceptics right and most others wrong?
Can anyone offer any hope?
We all seem kings of wishful thinking.
Have you ever tried answering any of your own questions?
If you ain’t got nothing nice to say, don’t bother.
Here’s another one to cheer you up –
A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
Why did you bother?
Let him ask, it’ll do us good to practice answering, when we have to answer those questions from members of the swaying masses we’ll want to be well practiced in bringing them to our side.
I am not qualified to answer.
I am simply seeking the facts that will help people like me form an opinion.
I want to believe that “it’s gone” but the data starts to suggest not.
We can’t just say it has without evidence.
This isn’t a global conspiracy, it’s poor government faced with a challenge nobody has faced before.
I just want it to be over as much as the next person but by putting my head in the sand won’t help.
It’s a challenge that has occurred repeatedly since the dawn of time that no previous government has had the hubris to think it can do anything about.
Go & watch Ivor Cummins latest piece on YouTube, brilliantly clear : thoroughly persuasive.
It hasn’t ‘gone’, where TF do you think viruses ‘go’? Mars? They are tamed by human natural immunity, when it’s allowed to do its thing, and then they lie virtually dormant, picking off an occasional passing sick person like lions do to wildebeest. But before this madness, we never noticed because it doesn’t matter. It’s just another fact of life. If we mess about with immunity and dodgy vaccinations we deserve to die of stupidity.
As NickR suggests, go watch Ivor Cummins, carefully. He is a bright fellow, an engineer, and therefore numerate, and has been following all this very closely throughout. He has interviewed some of the top experts in the relevant fields. His analysis is pretty convincing imo, and has only become more convincing as the edvidence has mounted over the past 6 months, while the government’s and its selected scientists’ position has looked weaker and weaker.
There can be no absolute certainty in this (the real world is rarely a place for such), but atm I’m satisfied that the government/SAGE position has basically no credibility left, and the position Cummins currently argues for is very convincing. Not that the virus has “gone” anywhere, but that we mostly hit herd immunity back in March/April, which is why the epidemic tailed off, that it’s basically just another seasonal respiratory virus, that therefore there will be no second wave of any substance, most likely, and we can just live with this virus now as we have lived with other seasonal colds and flu’s.
If you really want the best available answers to some of your questions, watch it:
Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the… Read more »
Once the Old Bill start beating up the elderly and the odd woman and child for trivial “offenses” it may turn the tide. They could hospitalise a hundred blokes and it won’t make a difference obviously! The media are going to do their level best to avoid covering it but the videos will start to surface.
The reaction to these Covid Marshall’s is going to be interesting.
Most people have and will continue to follow advice. The Marshalls will have an easy job with the exception of a few drinkers at chucking out time.
Who is actually going to apply to be a Covid Marshal? Are they already in stock, ready to be rolled out? Who on earth would do this?
I do not envy a twit in a Covid Marshal uniform looking at a crowd of unidentifiable angry masked people. I know there are going to be lots of unemployed people, but really….wouldn’t you consider the crematorium or the abattoir first?
I’d rather turn to robbery, seems more honest.
Well there were collaborators in Nazi occupied France so sadly I guess we may have a few of that ilk here who will be willing to be Covid Marshals.
As I posted earlier. Our local town had social distancing markers really quick, stamped with the EU flag no less. So I suspect they have their Marshall plan ready to go.
I’m really not so sure. I am a law abiding citizen…but…
Well, I can with confidence say, if some jobsworth starts bellowing at me in the street, a mouthful will ensue. So now we are monitored like those in Saudi or Afghanistan by mullahs with large sticks if you dont obey the rules. How is this different. Creep, creep, from 3 weeks in March, to this 6 months later. What next, tasered in the street for straying too close, don’t sneer, would you have envisaged this 10 months ago. I suggest you all get off your keyboards and down to the next demonstration sharpish!
Just best to summarise it with facts.
– Yes there is a new virus.
– For the massive majority in every age group and inclusive of underlying health conditions the virus is mild and thankfully not especially lethal.
– We can, as a world live with it, but it is not going to not be a “problem” doing so. However, how much of a problem depends on how prolonged the farce and theatre of controlling a virus continues. You cannot control a virus and it takes everything possible to suppress it. So doing so is a futile challenge.
Where you may lose your way on all of this is trying to give the Government (any Government) credit as to knowing what they are doing. They don’t. They are career politicians. Not subject matter experts. And therefore are not deserving of your respect. Unfortunately the experts they listen to are able to be risk adverse as they are uniquely protected as “key” or of left leaning political persuasion who are quite happy to see society fall ( that’s Susan Mitchie’s political dream )
Some good news my golf society is going ahead on Monday with 30 golfers.I hope this is replicated across the country and everyone just ignores the insane edicts
Keep an eye out on the National College of Policing website for the new guidelines on the updated gathering rules. That will give a good idea of how the police will approach it and what the limits of their powers are. And the Police Federation for a sense of how officers on the ground feel about it. I bet your golf day will be fine, enjoy it.
Police shouldn’t be seeing themselves as anything other than civilians in uniform policing via consent. We are not the US and the police need to remember they serve the community not the Government.
Hancock will undoubtedly call in an air strike when word gets out!
Actually I think organised sport is exempt. It is more about private social gatherings. Bastards all the same.
Breakfast and meal after
Bacon butties I hope!
I say finger buffet and shared punch bowl. F*** ’em.
I wonder what would have happened in WW2 if Britain had said we’re going to war with the Germans but only if we can guarantee that nobody dies.
France did 😉
We each fight in our own way.
I’ve sent the latest Ivor Cummins link (brilliant, by the way) and the paper in Toby’s post on ‘The Second Wave’ to my MP. He has least had the decency to read and respond to (some) past emails and is a Health Minister.
I’ve de-linked the paper from the LS website, so as not to appear cranky. [If he gets his team to Google me, I’m impeccably respectable and rational, which may be why he has respnded in the past.]
Sad to report that a Yahoo News poll of 17000+ people shows 76% support for these latest measures and 24% against. We have a very long way to go before changing attitudes. ps I bet the 76% are mostly old and/or less well educated. It is going to be tough to convince such a demographic…
Don’t be so sure about that. The number of people I see who appear to be in their 20’s, running around with masks on, is astonishing. I think they tend to be the least well-informed and the most prone to influence by propaganda.
Ok so they are in the less well educated category. Bear in mind Britain’s education system is underfunded and quality is variable. Most people are not curious and tend not to read around a subject. Hence the sight of masks worn in cars, people jumping out of pathways etc etc
Completely agree. Was talking to someone the other day (we’re both mid 40s) and we agreed that we are the so-called ‘last generation’. So many younger people have been brainwashed for so long and that’s not going to stop now 😒
Whats a Yahoo News poll, and how do that many people know about it, I’m sure they make these polls up
Pop into Yahoo News and its in the article on the new restrictions. It’s an online poll which readers are able to vote on right now. So far 17000+ have done so.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson-coronavirus-passport-latest-mass-testing-rule-of-6-154120783.html
Does it have big writing? I get Huffpost (or something) on the home page when I fire up the big computer. It’s nothing to do with news as we know it, Jim.
On a positive note, a lot more people I know have positively come out as sceptics since Johnson’s latest announcement. They’re from mixed educational/professional backgrounds.
Also, I posted a bit of an angry Facebook status after the 6 person announcement (I know, social media is not real life) and it got a significant number of ‘likes’, some from people I never would have expected. If I had posted the same in March it would have been ignored or I would have received abuse. There are more people coming over to our way of thinking.
We don’t need a resounding majority to change the narrative, we just need a solid chunk.
Great to hear. The split would have been 95/5 now it’s 76/24. Tomorrow who knows? Need to keep up the progress. Ironically, further government imbecility helps…
Definitely, most of the dissent seems to be driven by the fact that the government’s actions are completely illogical. Let them carry on I say, they’re destroying themselves.
I think you’re being a bit of a snob there mate. In my experience it’s the more often other way around, ie the “more educated” the individual is, the more of a true believer they are likely to be. Check your fire and lets keep class out of this eh?
Sad you think education is posh. It should be for all. ‘Mate’.
my IRL (do we still say that ?) encounters lead me to agree with you, working class blokes are the most sceptical and likely to ignore Covid safety bollocks.
Sorry to be both classiest and sexist but there you go.
The older people I know – and I’m one) are often much more pragmatic than the young. We’ve lived through a variety of crises and survived and recognise that life is a risky business that we’ve just got to get along with.
I wish they spoke up more, anecdotally many were cowed into submission. After Fukushima in 2011 the retired nuclear scientists offered to go into the site to fix it, thereby incurring the radiation. They offered this to spare the young whose lives lay ahead of them. I am not sure if their offer was taken up but their spirit was amazing. No ‘Save Granny’ nonsense.
Not so much of the ‘old and/or less well-educated’ – we oldies were taught critical thinking!
I suspect many on this site are ‘old’ – in fact I asked the “what’s our average age?” question some weeks ago and as far as I recall it was 50-55.
It’s the youth who have been disappointing throughout, as they have nothing to lose (in health terms) and always used to enjoy a good cause for rebellion.
I’m 28 and have friends in both the ‘old’ and ‘young’ camps, mostly due to the disastrous age demographics of my industry! (Not so many in the middle of the two)
Sceptiscm is spreading more among the young since this latest diktat. There are lots of ‘memes’ circulating regarding the fact the the government told the young to go out and spend their money socialising in pubs and restaurants in August, then blame them for killing granny in September. The illogical nature of these rules will be their downfall.
There’s no point in a generational war. There are old bedwetters and young bedwetters. There are sensible sceptics of all ages.
Fair. Everyone has been disappointing. But I think acquiescence generally has played a massive part in it all.
posted in wrong spot. Sorry
On the subject of age. Last year pensions were bumped up to 66 from next month. Because people were living longer and healthier lives…..
2020. Everyone over 50 could be f-cked. Never go out again if your 70. Your all fat bastards who’s diabetic conditions are going to open you up to Covid.
What a crock of shit.
I’m 26 and trying!
A. We still haven’t hit peak economic damage from the Lockdown. Once that really bites opinion will change. We are heading for the deepest recession since records began.
B. I think the figures for lockdown support were in the 90s to begin with. Support is fast draining away. It will soon be below 50%.
C. I found your turning round of the Remainer argument amusing but for sure we are on the side of the young. We want them to have a life and enjoy it. If as a result my chance of dying, as an oldie, in the next 5 years increases from 1 in 12 to 1 in 10 I couldn’t give a f**k.
Yeah ever known polls to be fixed? 86% thought on election night 2016 that Hillary Clinton was going to win.
Right. I’m done.
Mechanics question: does anyone know how you go about starting a new political party?
And that new party would also have a great chance of winning first time out. Why? Because all other parties support this fiasco so a split vote. And I guarantee that, unlike Brexit, us sceptics are a darn sight more angry and motivated on this issue than anything that has come before.
Unfortunately it’s 4 years until any voice can be heard via the ballot box.
I did email the Brexit Party for a second time tonight. Their last response stated they were “about to start making some noise again” but I think all that translates into is Farage moaning about illegals in a dingy crossing the channel while the country gets destroyed!
I am not confident there will be another election for a very long time. They are trying to obliterate democracy.
Someone posted earlier today about starting a new party. I read it early this morning so if you sort the comments by oldest first and scroll down a bit you should find it. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name of the person who posted but I think it was within the first 90 comments. I hope that helps.
This one.
Many local council elections in UK are supposed to take place in May 2021 (were put off for a year). Plenty of non aligned independents stand, also temporary alliances to fight on specific issues, usually around wanting/not wanting something built somewhere or other. Could be an opportunity, if this lunacy is still going on. Although usually turn out is abysmal.
No, unfortunately. Toby did mention back in April/May the possibility of starting a party and to watch this space. He hasn’t mentioned anything since. Something needs to happen now.
These new restrictions will achieve nothing except inconvenience people. From Monday, a family of five can’t visit Granny and Grandpa together, but mummy and 2 children could and then Daddy and the other child a bit later. The same 7 people will be seeing each other within an hour or two. Completely ludicrous.
Conservative MPs won’t rebel until Brexit is delivered. So January will be the earliest, if at all. We can’t wait that long. Life has been hell for me most days for nearly 8 years, but the last 6 months has brought me to the edge. I can’t have a consultation with my GP, who I saw every month for 6 years until March, because of my severe hearing problems and anxiety/autism preventing me using the telephone. Equality Act 2010 doesn’t seem to apply to the NHS. A new, sensible party is needed now and I will support them. Boris has lost the plot.
Someone posted earlier today about starting a new party. I read it early this morning so if you sort the comments by oldest first and scroll down a bit you should find it. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name of the person who posted but I think it was within the first 90 comments. I hope that helps.
Not sure. But to become the parliamentary leader of a party you have to be a two faced. Spineless. Witless. Dishonest. Disheveled mess.
1 Get heavyweight money backing
2 Get some high profile names to give you credibility.
3 Get started on the real hard work.
That would be my guess (1 & 2 obviously feed each other, to an extent).
If you really want to do it, and given I suspect you have some credible skills, I would start by emailing any celeb sceptics (Toby, Dolan, Hitchens) you can, to sound them out. Wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are already thinking along the same lines and might welcome you aboard.
The other post mentioning starting a new party was this one by @charleyfarley, below.
On its face, as a retired solicitor he looks like a good person to start working with. Perhaps post something on the forum here so it has some permanence to draw others in, and allows you to contact each other by private messaging?
Bombard your MP about voting down the Emergency Restrictions, now that it is NOT an emergency, the curve has been flattened the NHS has been protected, now its just tyranny
I’m concerned that what is happening now is guaranteeing the emergency legalisations will be extended again. With 100 odd days till Christmas I can see where these changes might want to take us.