Largest Anti-Lockdown Demo So Far
The pictures from yesterday’s anti-lockdown demo in Trafalgar Square are quite impressive. Some reports put the turnout at 35,000. The Express was one of the first newspapers to report on the protest.
Pictures of the large crowds show people holding signs that read “coronavirus is a hoax”, “no to mandatory vaccines” and “masks are muzzles”.
One person has claimed it is the largest anti-lockdown protest to date.
The large numbers of protesters have filled the area beneath the National Portrait Gallery.
Very few of those in attendance appear to be wearing face coverings.
A flyer for the event said the protesters would be joined by “top professional doctors and nurses speaking out”.
Jeremy Corbyn’s brother, Piers, is also due to make an appearance at the event.
The Express report was more even-handed than the report in the Metro, which began:
Thousands of coronavirus-deniers have gathered in London’s Trafalgar Square to protest against lockdowns and vaccination programmes.
And the Mail was even worse, headlining its report of the protest: “More than 10,000 COVID conspiracy theorists gather in London as police arrest Jeremy Corbyn’s brother Piers AGAIN: Huge crowd of anti-vaxxers led by David Icke gather to argue that virus is a lie spread in secret global plot organised by Bill Gates“.
A reader emailed me to tell me his impressions after the demo ended.
Just on my way back from the protest at Trafalgar Square. Apparently there were 35,000 people there, according to Piers Corbyn. I wonder what number the mass media will report?
On the whole it was a brilliant atmosphere. Absolutely packed with people, like an outdoor festival event. Brilliant!
My only criticism, is that the MC, Kate Shemirani (an ex-nurse apparently) was pushing some ideas that I just did not agree with. For example:
* 5G radiation will kill us all.
* The vaccine will make us all infertile and kill us all.
* Fluoride in our toothpaste is killing us and numbing our brain.
* Pandemic ideology, that this has all been planned for years/decades, etc.
It frustrates me that 5G conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers are at the forefront of the pushback. I’ve had all my jabs (MMR, BCG, etc.) and I have no issues with vaccines in general. I just don’t agree we need a rushed out vaccine to “cure” a diseases that has pretty much disappeared.
So mixed emotions, but generally I’m feeling good that so many people are waking up to the nonsense.
Meanwhile, a protest in Berlin was broken up by police at 9am, according to MSN News.
Police ordered a protest by people opposed to Germany’s pandemic restrictions to disband after participants refused to observe social distancing rules.
Tens of thousands of people had gathered at the German capital’s Brandenburg Gate in the morning before streaming down the Unter den Linden boulevard in a show of defiance against Germany’s coronavirus prevention measures.
Protesters carried a wide range of grievances and banners proclaiming their opposition to vaccinations, face masks and the German government in general.
Stop Press: There was an anti-lockdown protest in Ottawa yesterday. The T-shirts and slogans are remarkably similar to those in London and Berlin. This is a global movement.
Is the Government Preparing to Turn the NHS into a Covid-Only Service Again?
Matt Hancock gave an interview to ITV News on Friday in which he suggested plans are underway to turn the NHS into the National Coronavirus Service this winter, seemingly oblivious to the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths this misstep caused over the summer.
“We’re doing a huge amount of planning to make sure that the NHS is prepared and can cope to make sure that people can have as much freedom to enjoy Christmas, to enjoy winter, as possible,” he said.
What’s the rationale, Matt? Better to have half-empty hospitals and turn patients away just in case there’s a spike in Covid hospitalisations over Christmas? That’s like throwing people out of an aeroplane to reduce the risk of it crashing.
Alarming.
Schools Insisting on Unnecessary Face Muzzles
Yesterday, my colleague Will Jones asked readers to get in touch if their children’s schools were insisting on face coverings, even if they’re not in local lockdown areas. Needless to say, we’ve been deluged with responses.
This is an extract from a letter sent to parents at Chatham and Clarendon Grammar School
Face Covering – with regard to the revised Government guidance yesterday about the wearing of face masks in communal areas and in restricted spaces like corridors, at the moment this is not mandatory as Thanet is not in an area with increased lockdown restrictions. However the corridors in the school are very narrow and we have therefore decided that with safety uppermost in everyone’s minds we will require all students to bring face coverings with them to school and wear them in corridors and communal areas. Each student must bring plastic sealable bags to store their face covering and use the lidded bins on site to dispose of face coverings if they get wet or damaged and should also carry spares for this eventuality.
Here’s another, this one from a grandparent in Darlington which is an area of low infection.
My granddaughter attends Polam Hall School in Darlington and will be returning for the new term next Friday. We have received guidance relating to COVID-19 procedures. It says “You will be asked to wear a face covering in crowded corridors and communal areas”. So no mention of Government guidelines or the WHO in this case. However, Darlington has always been at the lower end of the scale in terms of COVID-19 cases. I keep a check via the BBC online service which allows you to enter your postcode to find out how many cases there have been. Last week there were two cases in a town with a population of just over 106,000.
This one is from a parent of a school in Cobham:
I’d like to report my school, ACS International School Cobham, bringing in a masking rule for all children aged 10-18 in indoor communal areas. In our case, this will mean everywhere except in the classroom. Cobham (district of Elmbridge) has no local spikes in infection and has no plans to introduce local lockdown of which I am aware.
I put it down to pre-emptive action due to extreme caution and ignorance of the facts. This action will, of course, make absolutely no difference whatsoever to the odds of someone introducing COVID-19 to the general school body. We have opened a book on the odds of the school shutting again. Current best guess is mid-October.
Here’s the face mask section in a letter from Guy Sanderson, the headmaster of Eltham College, a private school in Mottingham.
As I mentioned last week, students travelling on school buses or public transport will be required to wear a face covering. We have taken the decision to follow World Health Organisation guidelines and to go further than the government’s current stated positions on masks in school. Accordingly, all Senior School students should bring a mask (and ideally some spare masks) to school in addition to the mask that they wear whilst travelling to school. Students will be required to wear these between lessons when moving around corridors and for communal events such as year group assemblies. They will not need to wear them in lessons (where they impede communication) or when outside on the fields at break or lunchtime.
The parent of a child at Alcester Grammar has forwarded the rules issued by the school’s headmaster:
Face coverings should be worn
• In corridors and inside communal spaces
• Whilst queuing for entry / collection of food in the canteen, Pit Stop and Studio
• In the Theatre and Sports Hall for assemblies
• In study areas (library, Newport Study).
• On transport and when queueing for buses after school
The same parent has suggested that another verse should be added to Madness’s “Baggy Trousers“:
Risk-free kids in risk-free schools
Headmasters laying down new rules
No more fun, we’re ruled by fools
Can’t get near the woodwork tools
Do Masks Increase Risk of Transmission?
I’ve published an original article today by a senior research scientist for a pharmaceutical company on the risks posed by face masks. Here’s the kernel of the argument:
The aim of face coverings is to prevent an asymptomatic individual from infecting others. For such an individual, their face covering would become saturated with respiratory droplets containing coronavirus and in fact, the more effective the face covering, the more virus it will have captured. So if an infectious individual touched their face covering, they would potentially be contaminating their fingers with coronavirus…which they could then transfer to the next thing they touched – like a door handle, handrail or table.
Although such an individual could have still contaminated their hands and the environment whilst not wearing a face covering, the fact that the face covering has captured viral particles means that it provides a much more concentrated source of the virus. Additionally, putting a cloth covering on your face will almost certainly increase the probability that someone would touch their face to adjust or fiddle with it, especially if it is not well fitted. This further increasing the likelihood that an infectious individual would actually touch the contaminated cloth material.
Worth reading in full.
Alarmist Sage Report Says 85,000 People Could Die of Covid This Winter
According to a Newsnight report by Deborah Cohen on Friday night, Sage signed off on a report in July predicting that a further 85,000 could die of Covid in the UK between July and March 2021 in a reasonable worst case scenario. Cohen has written up her report for BBC News.
A leaked government report suggests a “reasonable worst case scenario” of 85,000 deaths across the UK this winter due to COVID-19.
The document also says while more restrictions could be re-introduced, schools would likely remain open.
But it says the report “is a scenario, not a prediction” and the data are subject to “significant uncertainty”.
However some are critical of the modelling and say some of it is already out of date.
The document, which has been seen by BBC Newsnight, was prepared for the government by the Sage scientific advisory group, which aims to help the NHS and local authorities plan services, such as mortuaries and burial services, for the winter months ahead.
Among its key assumptions are that schools will remain open and that the government’s tracing, isolation, and quarantine measures will only be 40% effective in cutting the spread of Covid outside households.
It also states that by November “policy measures would be put in place to reduce non-household contacts to half of their normal pre March 2020 levels”. In other words, restrictions to mitigate the impact – other than school closures – could be put in place.
According to the report these measures might be expected to remain in place until March 2021.
I haven’t seen this report, but what’s the betting that the 85,000 prediction is based on a static computer model that takes no account of the fact that the rise in cases since July, whether here or in Europe, has not been accompanied by any corresponding rise in hospitalisations or deaths? (The authors should read this surprisingly even-handed piece by Fergus Walsh for BBC News). Business leaders are reportedly furious about this report and the suggestion that there might have to be a second lockdown to prevent these deaths.
The assumptions built into the report, as described by Deborah Cohen, sound unduly pessimistic.
The figures, which the scientists say have a wide range of uncertainty, suggest around 2.4% of infected people could be hospitalised (range: 0.0%-8.9%) with 20.5% of hospitalised patients going into ICU (range: 1.5% – 35.25) and 23.3% (range: 1.2% – 43.3%) of all hospitalised patients dying.
The model also predicts an overall infection fatality ratio of 0.7% (0.0% – 9.7%).
While the model is by no means a prediction and subject to “significant uncertainty”, the reasonable worst case scenario is used to inform government planning decisions.
However, some are critical of the modelling and believe some of the assumptions in the “official sensitive” model prepared for the Cabinet Office are wrong and the model is unhelpful given the wide range in possible scenarios.
Prof Carl Heneghan, from Oxford University, said some of the assumptions made in the model were “implausible” and that the report assumes that “we’ve learnt nothing from the first wave of this disease”.
If anyone has a link to the report, or has a copy, please send it to the usual email address. We’ll get our team of experts to scrutinise it.
Worth remembering that last month another report, this one done at the request the UK’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, suggested there might be about 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter. Why the discrepancy between that report and this?
They might as well just pick these numbers out of a hat.
You can watch Deborah Cohen’s report here.
Government Casting Call For People to Model “Spreading Germs”
An actor has sent me a casting call he received yesterday. You couldn’t make it up.
Needless to say, SARS-CoV-2 “germs” don’t show up “under a UV light”. What about a UVA light, which is what the writer of this blurb actually means? Nope. Coronavirus particles are so small you’d need an electron microscope to see them.
How the Government can persuade itself that it’s pumping out this bedwetting propaganda to counter “misinformation” is beyond me.
A Philosopher Writes…
I got another email from a self-described “left-leaning, Remain-voting, Tory-averse” person saying he shares our scepticism about the crisis. This one is from a philosophy professor (not AC Grayling, I should point out).
I’m just writing to thank you for Lockdown Sceptics. I’m a Professor of Philosophy, working mostly on medicine and health. So I find that I’m able to digest a lot of the scientific literature and I’m also pretty good at identifying the weak points in arguments. Back in March, I thought the lockdown was an awful mistake, but I naively assumed that the situation would be reevaluated as the evidence became clearer. That didn’t happen, of course. Instead, anything that didn’t fit the established narrative was distorted until it did and then assimilated, or it was ignored. Still, I hoped that reason and evidence would prevail by now. But no, it’s masks, more masks, and then even more masks – surely they’ll help ward off the evil spirits.
For a while, I was just bemused by it all, but now I’m genuinely frightened. Can one really impose something so odious as mandatory masking on the whole population, despite there being no decent evidence in support of it? Yep, they’ll just slap the rags on their faces as a symbol of virtue and chastise anyone who doesn’t conform, so that the whole wretched thing is self-policing. I dread to think of all the things an authoritarian regime could get the Great British public to do, while barely lifting a finger.
More generally, something deeply unsettling is happening, which I really struggle to understand: somehow or other, this virus has triggered a perfect storm of reasoning biases, fears, and vices disguised as virtues, resulting in something that often looks more like the behaviour of a religious cult than an informed response to a viral pandemic.
Lockdown Sceptics is one of only a few places where I’ve consistently been able to find sensible discussions of what’s going on. So I’m very grateful to you for your efforts. Good luck to you!
That penultimate paragraph is bang on. In response, I sent him this blog post by Hugh Willbourn which flagged up a book called When Prophesy Fails by a psychologist called Leon Festinger who joined a UFO doomsday cult in the 1950s to better understand the mindset of its members. Festinger was astonished by what happened when the cult’s doomsday prophesy failed to materialise. Instead of abandoning their crackpot beliefs, the members doubled-down, coming up with spurious reasons as to why the apocalyptic prediction they’d made hadn’t come true. Festinger hypothesised that the reason these cultists refused to abandon their beliefs was because the pain of admitting they’d been wrong, and their sacrifices were all for nothing, would have been too much to bear.
Sound familiar?
Every Mistake We’ve Made So Far Predicted in 2006
A reader in the US has flagged up a 2006 paper by Thomas Inglesby, Director of Johns Hopkins’ Bloomberg School of Public Health, in which every mistake that governments around the world have made in their response to the pandemic was warned against. It’s quite uncanny. The paper is called “Disease mitigation measures in the control of pandemic influenza“. Here are some highlights:
In brief, models can play a contributory role in thinking through possible mitigation measures, but they cannot be more than an ancillary aid in deciding policy…
A major challenge for all authorities charged with managing a pandemic will be how to allot scarce, possibly life-saving medical resources and how to maintain hospitals’ capacity to care for critically ill flu victims while continuing to provide other essential medical services…
The negative consequences of large-scale quarantine are so extreme (forced confinement of sick people with the well; complete restriction of movement of large populations; difficulty in getting critical supplies, medicines, and food to people inside the quarantine zone) that this mitigation measure should be eliminated from serious consideration…
Home quarantine also raises ethical questions. Implementation of home quarantine could result in healthy, uninfected people being placed at risk of infection from sick household members. Practices to reduce the chance of transmission (hand-washing, maintaining a distance of 3 feet from+ infected people, etc.) could be recommended, but a policy imposing home quarantine would preclude, for example, sending healthy children to stay with relatives when a family member becomes ill. Such a policy would also be particularly hard on and dangerous to people living in close quarters, where the risk of infection would be heightened…
It is reasonable to assume that the economic costs of shutting down air or train travel would be very high, and the societal costs involved in interrupting all air or train travel would be extreme…
Implementing such measures would have seriously disruptive consequences for a community if extended through the 8-week period of an epidemic in a municipal area, let alone if it were to be extended through the nation’s experience with a pandemic (perhaps 8 months). In the event of a pandemic, attendance at public events or social gatherings could well decrease because people were fearful of becoming infected, and some events might be cancelled because of local concerns. But a policy calling for community wide cancellation of public events seems inadvisable…
Schools are often closed for 1–2 weeks early in the development of seasonal community outbreaks of influenza primarily because of high absentee rates, especially in elementary schools, and because of illness among teachers. This would seem reasonable on practical grounds. However, to close schools for longer periods is not only impracticable but carries the possibility of a serious adverse outcome. For example, for working parents, school serves as a form of day care and, in some areas, a source of nutritional meals for children from lower-income families. In 2005, some 29.5 million children were fed through the National School Lunch Program; 9.3 million children received meals as part of the School Breakfast Program. A portion of America’s workforce would be unable to go to work as long as children were out of schools. Heightened absentee rates could cripple essential service industries. Teachers might not be paid and a great many hourly workers (mall and fast-food employees; school janitorial, security, and kitchen staff; bus drivers) would face particular financial hardship…
And here’s the kicker:
An overriding principle. Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.
Lockdown zealots will say, “This was advice about how best to respond to an influenza pandemic and that isn’t what this is.” But in reality the coronavirus is no more deadly than a bad bout of seasonal flu and, therefore, the advice contained in this 2006 paper is 100% relevant.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- ‘Report reveals tragic number of people who have taken their own life during lockdown‘ – The Leicester Mercury reveals there’ve been 25 suicides in Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland since the start of lockdown
- ‘The West’s response to Covid shows we have succumbed to a Medieval mass neurosis‘ – Good column by Janet Daley in the Telegraph
- ‘BBC needs wider diversity of opinion‘ – Tony Hall, the outgoing D-G of The BBC, engages in some damage control
- ‘Eat out to Help Out loophole saves £180 on meals‘ – If a table of six ordered starters, mains and deserts, asked to be billed separately for each course, and then all six claimed the £10 discount each time, they could collectively save £180
- ‘MGM Resorts lays off 18,000 staff‘ – The economic recession hits Vegas
- ‘About 61 Million Americans Have Stopped Commuting Due to COVID-19‘ – It’s not just Brits that are reluctant to return to work
- ‘Thank goodness schools are back. Another week’s holiday and I’d have gone round the bend‘ – The Telegraph‘s Michael Deacon looks forward to schools re-opening next week (and as a father of four I know how he feels). But how long will they remain open for?
- ‘Thousands arrested for “virus-related crimes” in China‘ – One case involves a shopper beating another customer to death for refusing to wear a face mask
- ‘Whitehall mandarins have lost sight of what it means to be politically neutral‘ – Excellent column by Charles Moore on the woke Civil Service
- ‘Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation‘ – Must read new paper by a Canadian medical researcher exploring why the mortality risk of COVID-19 was over-estimated
- ‘Half a million Covid deaths was ABSURD we are being DUPED‘ – Missed this piece when it first appeared, but we can add Richard Madeley to the ranks of lockdown sceptics
- ‘American tourist faces £430,000 fine after breaking quarantine rules in Canada‘ – Incredible story in the Independent
- ‘The true picture: Has Sweden emerged as paragon or pariah in the corona sweepstakes?‘ – Another excellent piece by Prof Ramesh Thakur in the Times of India
- ‘Former Congressman: “The Coronavirus lockdown is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of this country”‘ – Former Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr delivers the truth serum
- ‘Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be‘ – The New York Times discovers false positives
- ‘Former No 10 adviser Sir Robbie Gibb launches a TV rival to “woke wet BBC”‘ – Go Robbie
- ‘50:50 chance next summer’s exams will be scrapped‘ – Robert Halfon, Chair of the Education Select Committee, wants next summer’s exam results to be based teacher assessments
- ‘Either the Electoral Commission reforms or we will abolish it‘ – Amanda Milling, co-Chairman of the Conservative Party, takes aim at the Electoral Commision
- ‘Did we really elect a Tory government? – Interesting question posed by John Collingride in the Sunday Times
- ‘Portugal “likely” to lose its travel corridor this week‘ – The Telegraph has had a premonition of of which countries Boris going to hit in his Thursday night darts match and it’s bad news for Portugal
- ‘Spain arrests pandemic-denier who wrote “covidiots” deserved “to die”‘ – Yikes! Hope I’m not next
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Twisting and Turning” by the New Foundation, “All Out to Get You” by the Beat and “Germ Free Adolescence” by X-Ray Specs,
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 2nd to Oct 12th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now almost 31,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: Jenny Harries, England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer, says “the evidence on face coverings is not very strong in either direction”. The Mail has more.
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Hello Toby. Your energy astonishes me. I’ve had a look through a lot of your blog tonight. Will check out links etc later. I agree with the philosopher who said
He’s been brilliant. Can’t be said often enough.
I was thinking this last week and then acted on it by donating (shameless begging bit, at bottom of Toby’s blog) £25…..those on here who can afford it, should
Yes, Toby has to do his ‘shameless begging bit’ to feed his family, while doing what all our MPs should be doing. Shame on the lot of them.
An ordinary MP gets paid £81,932 per year, with a stupendously good pension, plus all the other doors it opens for them.
And Toby has to beg on here.
I have just been reading his blog. Superb! Thanks for the links. MW
I’d also like to thank Toby for creating this beacon of sanity in a world of dark derangement.
The Festinger book mentioned is well worth reading, it is important to understand how difficult it is for people to escape from a set of beliefs that evidence has fully refuted. You can buy a copy for 99p if you have a Kindle.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Prophecy-Fails-Psychological-Destruction-ebook/dp/B0721NVTMJ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=festinger&qid=1598769629&sr=8-2
Concerning the thought processes of lockdown zealots, do they regard us Lockdown Sceptics as displaying cultish irrational behaviour? Why do they think we resist what they fanatically observe? Has anyone here experience of talking to a lockdown zealot about their attitudes to us? Do they think we’re simpletons, misguided or even malevolent?
The ones I have spoken to in person haven’t shown much interest in us – they are too wrapped up in their own beliefs. Strangers on the internet accuse us of putting profit before lives, or being deniers or crackpots, or of being eugenicists. None of which are true, but we’re too easy to attack still. We need to focus on the core message and get people on board without too much other baggage – I mean no disrespect to anyone here, just a matter of tactics
The no other baggage is vital, just look at the headlines: Anti lockdown demonstrations painted as 100% attended by anti-vax, anti-5g, crackpots. Anything other than the core message will be inflated to convince the majority to dismiss valid arguements by burying them in a mass of fringe theories. That is why the presence of David Ike and Piers Corbyn is always reported.
Yes David Icke elucidated the “control everything” posture of our new rulers rather too well.
That’s not relevant; to most people, those the don’t be scared, anti lockdown, anti mask, back to normal arguement needs to convince, David Icke is the crackpot who thinks we are ruled by reptiles because he headed the ball too often in his playing days. The MSM use this to taint by association, and it works.
He was a goalkeeper, doubt he headed the ball at all.
LOL
A Mass Hallucination covers its own tracks so that it is easier for you to persist in it. So indeed the smear by association ‘works’ for everyone who wants it to work.
I don’t know that I need convince anyone anything – and that’s just as well because I never have convinced anyone of anything they are not already of a willingness to know or accept.
Icke was publicly humiliated for how ‘new age views’ – such that we are all Sons of God – which when framed as ‘I am the Son of God’ gave the Media attack dogs all the ammunition to righteously ridicule, invalidate and cast him out – literally cast him as a demonised or no-go ‘person’.
Icke – as anyone in such a show trial – deserved support for his human right of being, and this was given in support from those who disagreed with the WAY of his treatment regardless the what of his opinions. But also became a portal of consideration of such opinions or viewpoints. That David Icke has a chip on his shoulder is to me evident, understandable but not helpful to his deeper message – which he gives theoretically as being of a higher vibrational quality of thought and intention than the ‘fear-thinking’ he associates with ‘THEM’
Another term for fear-defined response is the ‘reptilian brain’ – which should not – in my view – be demonised, but embraced, accepted and integrated in the sense that to NOT accept fear, is to mask over in denial and thus be ‘ruled’ or subverted and sabotaged by an evil that we experience externally but carry in our own negatively polarised but denied identification.
I haven’t read or followed Icke – but have watched a bit of his recent interviews.
He can represent an ‘ordinary bloke’ researching outside the box of a mainstreamed mind for answers that he resonates with and then shares on. This is now a lot of people in a similar process or re-educating as a result of no longer being able to accept the ‘mainstreamed’ narratives – and needing to reintegrate conflicted experience to some sort of sense, coherency or meaning by which not only to live, but through which to relate with each other and world.
The idea of resonance is in my view the basis of all communication – and yet self-honesty is the basis for a true resonance rather than a reinforcement for masking fears or indeed vengeful and self-validating agenda. We all have invested identity that can bias to blind spots of cognitive dissonance. But that doesn’t mean we are all to be smeared, demonised and cast out without a voice, rights or worth.
While speaking here I ask Toby and all to reconsider the temptation to name-calling that smears with pejorative self-righteous put-downs. I recognise the temptation and amidst our own frustrations it can leak out all to easily – but it serves to reduce the argument to a playground spat in shallow polarising factions that are the true ‘cancel-culture’ operating. So many think ‘divide and rule’ applies to a ‘THEM” without recognising there own resonant correspondence in like kind.
Andrew Kaufman’s recent interview with Icke was honourable and in my view a worthy watch. People are not on trial, unless attacking the person is elevated to shut down dialogue. Dialogue is not simply a confirmation bias or echo chamber in groupthink, but a willingness to reach through to a common ground – without which no real communication or relationship can happen.
I understand the social shaming that can herd the ordinary people to likewise use Icke as a marker for ‘KEEP OUT or be invalidated’ – along with all the other associations. Its about what can be officially owned said or associated with. This narrative control is manipulative by design. That’s it job-function. The masking in a ‘face’ of social acceptability reminds me of the Bible where God said to Adam and Eve – “an WHO told you you were naked?”
A doctored ‘reality’ is a split mind. I see that we are becoming aware of a ‘split mind’ within the symptoms of its ‘job-function’ as cognitive dissonance in others – and by extension re-cognising a like pattern in ourselves – perhaps. But not while trying to cast or flag the the virus of such a fear Out There onto personae and props of a personal escape set in relative rights or power struggle – at cost of rights of being held in common.
In my experience power struggle disempowers under the false premise and false profit of an hallucination given priority over relational honesty. Anything given power as currency has all the power we give it – until we change our mind. Whether the ‘virus is real’ is part of what we use it for – the narratives it supports and the worth we assign or accept to such a sense of self and world.
I always find comfort in the fate of Savanorola (sp?, in the pub is my excuse).
You are thirty years behind the times. Back to the beeb for you.
Behind in what way? I am simply pointing out that the MSM are only too happy to run a story that says that everyone who does not support the government line is a member of the lunatic fringe.
We know all that, the real point is why are you are running with it.
What am I thirty years behind?
What is it that you think I am running with?
Why do you think I have something to do with the BBC?
Worse, we are now being called psychopaths.
David Icke’s recent interviews with Brian Rose at London Real do jot mention reptiles once. While we know he is a big believer in that, you need to not play the man with any arguments. Otherwise you are simply making the same mistake the newspapers have done regarding yesterday’s protests (labelling them all anti vaxxers) when there is so many good arguments that should be given the chance to be heard.
Icke is joining the dots, no harm in that. His message is ultimately about love as well.
I am saying that it is important to stick to the point – back to normal – and not bring in 101 other things, especially when those other things are widely considered as being on the lunatic fringe.
Lockdown-sceptic antimaskers tend to be considered lunatic fringe too.
That is true, and is why it is so important to promote clear, rational reasons for a return to normal.
Covid-19 hysteria is alive and well and seems immune to reason and rationality.
For the past five months or so freedom of speech and basic human rights appear to be considered as being on the lunatic fringe.
Guess who
WHO 4.3 Billion
Imperial College 280 Million
Oxford University 243 Million
Pro Chris Whittey 40 Million
BBC Media Action 53 Million
CDC 155 Million
GAVI 3 Billion
Johns Hopkins 870 Million
NIH (Fauci) 18 Million
https://www.instagram.com/p/CERoQOzH3Wk/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Some of the millions donated to Johns Hopkins come from Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor of New York City:
https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/michael-bloomberg-partners-with-johns-hopkins-to-develop-contact-tracing-program/
If you don’t connect the dots you will never see the big picture.
Connect the dots if you want to see the big picture.
Pareidolia is the tendency for incorrect perception of a stimulus as an object, pattern or meaning known to the observer, such as seeing shapes in clouds, seeing faces in inanimate objects or abstract patterns, or heating hidden messages.
He who pays the piper calls the tune,also the British Government is the biggest spender in the print media over the last 5 months;is it any wonder that the avalanche of facts can’t make an impact on the British people
Ken Nordine:Faces In The Jazzamatazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtOtccRW_vQ
Just because the media calls something lunatic fringe doesn’t mean it is. They are supporting near total control of the population. They are the lunatic fringe, not us.
The trouble with Icke, is that he is absolutely right. We are now in a fight for our very lives and this very harsh truth seems to be just too much for some of the more faint hearted sceptics. They somehow, still think it will all be over by Christmas or maybe Easter.
On Saturday BBC R2 news reported on the Berlin protest but only about it winning the right to ahead on appeal. For once there was no mention of far right, deniers or conspiracy theorists.
They even stated the purpose of that event ‘ A protest against lockdown restrictions’ which might come as a surprise to people that such a view exists.
If we are not suspicious of likely mandatory, fast tracked, hardly tested, experimental vaccines for an infection that hardly exists, then what are we actually campaigning for? And don’t get me going on the coming nightmare that is 5G.
For a return to the normal world, that is what unites us.
I wrote on the update yesterday that it’s impossible to divorce scepticism from conspiracy citing face masks as an example. Why are these being mandated when the virus is on the wane? It’s not for health reasons or to minimise the spread (virtually all studies say they are useless) so it has to be for other reasons. Ergo control, ergo conspiracy. Can’t see a way around that.
Yes you are spot on, the real conspiracy, is the one that tells us, that there are no conspiracies.
It’s like saying we have no self-interest because we give ours to a collectivised identity in Common Purpose.
Steal a kingdom and they call you ‘King!’ – steal the mind and all Principalities do your bidding as if their own.
Fear demands control, fear feeds and fuels control, while control grooms and nurtures it ‘food’ source as if your survival against those who conspire to take control from you.
Fear is lack of love, because love is a condition of free willing command – NOT coercion. The attempt to ‘take command’ by fear-fuelled coercion is a Dispossession of love by fear by deceit. The need is for love’s honesty to replace the fear driven thinking. It isn’t always the ‘what’ that is in issue so much as the way of it or the what it is being used FOR. What purpose it serves you.
The trap of conspiracy thinking is to assign all responsibility and thus power to Them, and thus polarise against ‘Them’ or It – in the case of agencies such as a virus or carbon dioxide operating as a proxy by which to leverage control by narratives set BY conspiracy to deceive. Where private agenda is masked as appeals to virtue or necessity set against fear.
I write to suggest that responsibility is not de facto ‘blame’ but the ability to respond to a situation. If we can own our own response to the situation as we at that time perceived and believed it – then we are in the place to make a better or more truly aligned choice now. Blame completely denies the corrective process under a mask of correction by hindsight as to what should have happened – and judgement against the perceived cause. As if to then define and eradicate the virus or evil is the means to the restoration of the past as it ‘should have been’. If you see this you see the ‘Big Brother’s stamp’ on the face of the Presence that would rise to know and share in being, is a systemic failure in Communication – and not just the visible or surface function of its fruiting and reinforcement.
This results in the repurposing of the forms of communication as a weapon. The pen can write the script that the sword will follow, but to say the pen is ‘mightier than the sword’ is really that mind is primary and responses follow.
How would you make your mind up unless you were first IN your right mind? How do we know and trust our own thought? By nature of its recognition in the heart of honesty or in fitting with social consensus? We are experts in blurring and confusing these each with the others as part of masking over true feelings and unresolved conflict – as infants onwards. Surviving conflict becomes protecting its from true disclosure as a result of having built EVERYTHING on false foundations. Damage limitation buys time but at ever more onerous cost in self-betrayals. The capacity to erase our conscious capacity to recognise love is not total because love is native to what we are even if we lose what we choose not to use or live from. But just how ‘far’ into darkness are we willing to ‘go’ is where our tolerance for pain (of all or any level of our being), gives way to a questioning and a call for a truly better way – and not for another rebranding or repackaging of the same crap into ever tighter masking controls.
The need to be seen to be doing something? The belief that it is a popular policy?
Johnson and Hancock may appear to be bumbling fools, but that only acts as a clever distraction from what they are really up to. Mandatory vaccines has always been the the real agenda behind the whole Covid event and everything else including masks is simply theatre.
The eugenicist and ardent depopulator Bill Gates is behind all of the frontrunner western vaccines and will we allow ourselves to be vaccinated, only at our great peril.
The current Covid-19 scamdemic has clearly been long planned and the planners are not about to waste this well engineered opportunity to control and cull the global masses.
Mandatory vaccines has been on their minds since at least the beginning of April 2020. Perhaps earlier.
I don’t accept that it’s a conspiracy when they’re quite open about what they’re trying to do.
As Rowan says, the conspiracy is denying what’s plainly happening.
Excellent. Unfortunately people are being told directly, and subliminally, that wearing them is a matter of life and death.
Masks are indeed worse than useless, but they serve as a very useful distraction from the dangerous vaccine agenda, which is the real purpose of the planned Covid-19 event.
Matt Hancock said himself that they were doing it to make people feel safe and confident to come out shopping etc.
This is hugely dishonest. If they want to make people feel safe, they should explain to them that the risk of catching covid in a shop is almost nil, and the risk of them becoming seriously ill or dying if they catch it is vanishingly small, as Chris Whitty explained once back in May. They should keep on explaining this until people understand.
The fact that flu and pneumonia are continuing to kill people at six times the rate of covid seems to confirm that masks and all the government’s other measures are ineffective.
Witty won’t be making that sort of mistake again, if he wants to keep his well paid job.
The WHO admitted that they changed the guidance on face masks due to political pressure.Even the BBC reported it
It’s not conspiracy – it’s mentality. Or as John Stormer once said, “a conspiracy of shared values”.
That sounds like a conspiracy to me and so it should.
Me neither.
Eugenicists? Despite the presence of Mr Gates, who wants to drastically reduce the world population and who wants to stick everyone with an untested “vaccine” and not to be held liable for the maiming or death of any of his victims as a result?
You also look into Bill Gates father’s involvement with Planned Parenthood!
I’ve been accused of ‘ranting’ – a lot. I think it’s a mix of 1. not wanting to hear anything that contradicts a narrative that others have unquestionably accepted and acted upon ( and don’t want to feel it was entirely unjustified) and 2. It’s difficult to argue the sceptic’s case without betraying the anger you feel and the sheer absurdity of the LD. I’m sick of hearing that everyone’s point of view is valid. That’s simply not the case when one follows the evidence and the other ignores it. But there I go ranting again…
We need a lot more ranting, like yours.
They think we are all alt right murdering freaks!!! They have been taken in by those who believe ZeroCovid is the way to go and hole up NZ and Jacinda as the here. In my opinion it is they who have gone mad and are the freaks. Thank goodness we have Sweden, Sweden, Sweden to point to.
I don’t think I have ever met a lockdown/mask zealot. Lots of people now start chats with
” isn’t the Covid dreadful…?”
‘ No, it’s the lockdown that is dreadful…’
Thanks to LS I have sufficient range of facts and info in my head to deal with whatever way the conversation goes and a few screenshots to show those I think might know how to read a graph or bell curve.
Many end with saying ‘thanks, I didn’t know that’, the most strident negative response being “well best to be on the safe side”.
I’m a moron apparently. For not social distancing on a high street and when challenged I told the woman that statistically in our town of 20,000 there were two “cases” of covid 19. She had no interest in facts but I have. So which of us is ignoring reality for a set of “beliefs”?
Never argue with a stupid person, they will always beat you down to their level.. Mark Twain ?
Lol! I’ve written here before that in a spat on F***book I made a comment about my having a degree in Microbiology, to which the first response was ‘On what planet on earth (sic) do you have a degree in Microbiology when it’s obvious you don’t know anything.’
Never argue with a stupid person!
DavidC
You can’t educate pork. (DH)
You sum up all too well, the enormity of the task we face. But nothing daunted, we have no option but ploughing on, as if our lives depended upon it, which they very likely do.
Just saw the comments to an article in the Telegraph re: quarantining on return from abroad. Chap said ‘just ignore the quarantine’ . One reply said ‘when I show my wife your comment later, she’ll say ‘what a selfish little piggy’??!! What is wrong with these people?
“What is wrong with these people?”
They’re narcissistic psychopaths??
And bloody thick to boot.
Sometimes I find myself almost agreeing with Bill Gates and I start to wonder whether his planned great cull is such a bad idea. Perhaps Bill could start that bloke and his wife.
You will never get a one size fits all demo. But what every single person there was against was the blatant restrictions (and then more restrictions) on our quite normal freedoms, all in the name of a low fatality virus and a highly dubious PCR test.
I live in Victoria, Australia. If you’re ‘not doing the right thing’ then you’re considered ‘selfish’. They want harsher restrictions. If you question the narrative then you’re a lumped you’re an anti-vaxxer, Trump supporter. If you put stats and facts then ‘are you a doctor and where’s your medical degree’. They see the UK as a disaster.
Many over here see Victoria as a total basket case and also wonder just what they are putting in your water to make you all so bloody sickeningly servile. Is it fluoride?
I have and interestingly they just go quiet once I start giving any kind of analysis – if you have an irrational argument it cannot be sustained long other than by insults, sound bite, and anger. I was speaking to what may be considered a lockdown zealot the other day. This person had not left their house over 5 months and contacted me for support due to their support network breaking down. Within a few minutes I was through her door and engaging with her in a very normalised way, and then we went to the shops together. Why? She listened.
Good question. I think they do that “cancel” thing of categorising us as bad people. Anyone who does not believe must be a bad person.
Thanks. I’ll get a copy.
Yes thank you Toby for taking this stand you have brought comfort and hope to many people.
Toby Young is a legend and a hero.
It comes to something when David Icke appears completely reasonable
I agree I watched his interveiw with London Real.Apart from when he drifts into his new age stuff there wasn’t anything I could disagree with.
Yes, it’s a very good blog today, especially the material from the pharmaceutical scientist, the philosopher, and the Thomas Inglesby item.
BELIEF SYSTEMS
Here are a few;
Cults.
All religions.
The Nazi’s.
The left.
The right.
The anti 5G.
Those against vaccinations of any kind.
Those who think that man made climate change is not real.
Those who think that man made climate change is real.
People who think its OK for the US police to shoot somebody seven times in the back and those who do not.
Drug addicts.
People who have succumbed to the Covid hysteria.
Once these beliefs have been accepted it becomes a faith and no amount of logic, reasoning, graphs or numbers will change peoples minds.
The WHO, aided and abetted by the world’s governments, the media and especially social media have created a new faith and its not going away any time soon.
Drug addicts? I am a recovering member of this section of the populace but wtf does it have to do with belief systems?
I made a series of poor choices over and over again for 20 years…at least that’s what I believed happened
All religions?
I am a Christian. This does not fill me with permanent illogical hysteria, or make me want to delete the face of every human or ex-human being on the planet, or make me unable to appreciate another point of view, or want to take every scrap of joy out of my life and everybody else’s, or believe everything that I’m told.
Pity most Christian leaders are doing little to stop the madness or are even encouraging it.
Couldn’t agree more.But our present Coward Covid Church cannot be equated with the Church Universal and Eternal.
Quite. It seems most of the clergy are no more than political stooges with material ambitions. They can wear a dog-collar and call themselves Christians, but that would be like me sticking a false moustache on my cat and calling it a walrus.
Just as the existing Conservative Party cannot be equated with true conservatism, some will argue. Sadly the earthly institution will always fall short of individual adherents’ ideals, though not many are really ready to work to return it to what they see as its proper state. And reformers meet powerful opposition, from Henry VIII through Cromwell to Wesley, Marx and Mrs T.
And as a very active member of my local (Methodist) church I have frankly been disappointed with the support and encouragement from that direction. Yes, we meet on a friendly Zoom service each week, but as a sceptic I seem to be totally ignored. I suspect it won’t be long before they all start wearing masks during that online session..
Tragically, it seem to me, the established church sold out to the woke culture a long time ago.
The Church was taken over by liberalism (usually referred to as Modernism) at the 2nd Vatican council. It’s been a gradual downwards slide from there to where we are now with Pope Francis.
Indeed. 1 Peter 3:15
Amen
Even the Quakers apparently, formerly a bastion of righteous dissent.
Meekness and fear in plenty!
G K Chesterton said, ‘When people stop believing in God they believe in nothing’. Malcolm Muggeridge added, ‘It’s worse than that: when people stop believing in God they believe in anything’.
We see the consequences of this irrational belief system all around us.
They do believe in something but they’re not sure what it is.
It was Chesterton who said “they’ll believe anything” – no need for Mr Muggeridge.
Apart from being mildly to the right I appear to believe in nothing; used to be CofE does that count?
why is it ‘a belief system’ to be against vaccinations of any kind, but not equally a belief system to be for them? it looks to me that you’ve just listed all the things you don’t like or happen to disagree with, and cast a sneer at them
looks that way from here too
I think there’s a fundamental distinction to be made between personal beliefs which inform how you live your own life, and beliefs you want to see imposed by force of law on others, and another fundamental distinction to be made between beliefs that are neither provable nor disprovable (e.g. God) and those about which some kind of scientific or empirical reasoning can be made
Yes, it is known as a ‘Criterion of Demarcation’. In order to qualify as science assertions must be tested by experiment (some would add refutable in principle). If it isn’t science it could still be a valid belief though. In practice we all make unprovable assumptions about the nature of reality: these are known as presuppositions. So everyone exercises faith of some kind.
Well put, Julian and Basileus.
What of the scientist who believes, or is said to believe, in xyz. Belief being in the realm of religion.
No I don’t think it splits like this. It seems to split down attitudes to health and illness.
Einstein believed in God ..
“The WHO, aided and abetted by the world’s governments, the media and especially social media “
You missed out Mr Gates.
Bill Gates is the enemy Doctor W.H.O.
5G is harmless.
Right.
https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/5g-internet-everything/20-quick-facts-what-you-need-to-know-about-5g-wireless-and-small-cells/
Worrying!
Because they are such eyesores, 5G masts have been disguised as trees and cacti.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2010/jan/15/mobile-phone-masts-tree-photographs
Any pulsed EMF (2G, 3G, 4G, wifi) interferes with the body’s electrical system, causing, over time, all sorts of problems. 5G is worse by an order of magnitude at least. That’s why I have no smartphone and connect to t’internet with a cable. It helps to live out in the country as well.
How much does one covid 19 test cost?
And who is profiting from the government buying them and paying to administer them? Always, always follow the money.
Prof Michael Levitt: Covid panic will shorten lives
UnHerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTFXwLXUC8
I know, I know…you don`t want to see this first thing Sunday morning, but have to post it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EghWd-dU8AA54xT?format=jpg&name=large
Thanks for putting me right off breakfast
Lucky you, I nearly brought my eggs back up!
Yikes! I’ll have to gouge my eyes out now – (that’s worse than the Teresa may abba dance I can’t un see it )
Down with that sort of thing
Many a truth is shown in jest.
Thanks for making my eyes bleed.
Ha, ha, ha, that totally sums it up! Luckily I got me a cast iron stomach.
I need mind bleach after that!!
Are businesses waking up at long last?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8677529/Business-leaders-rage-Matt-Hancocks-scaremongering-talk.html
Some strong quotes from businesspeople there, very encouraging.
It’s interesting how Hancock seems to be reading from a different script to the others lately. Is he being set up for a fall? Or is it just more deliberately confusing ‘information’ being put out there by the government? Or just a government that is out of its depth and doesn’t know what it’s doing?
Drunk on his own power.
It seems that way, he really appears to be enjoying his new found importance.
He certainly doesn’t look like a stressed out Health Minister in the midst of trying to mitigate the effects of a truly ‘deadly pandemic’.
He’s a psycho.
He looks far too much like he is enjoying it, more so than most (Khan and Sturgeon are in that camp too).
Silence from Gove, Rees Mogg, and many others, there will be a coup when the time is right
If it’s a coup from those who then continue the lockdown, who cares?
Why would anyone launch a coup, at this stage? Perhaps towards the next election. In any case, in any vote in parliament on key measures such as the extension of emergency powers, backbench Tories have little leverage because the opposition would support the government.
Gove is more or less as guilty as the rest, and so is Rees-Mogg, and all the others.
Coup? That’s what is well under way right now.
From what I here the 1922 committee aren’t happy with Boris! Labour and Tories are now neck and neck in one opinion poll!
Do you mean a Counter Coup ?
I’m sure they are sharpening their knives.
Judging from the comments any further real lockdown* will be greeted with a giant F.U. from many people.
*ie not like the pretend one in parts of Manchester where you can’t go to your friends house but you can both go down the pub.
Except I am afraid the entire country is still in lockdown. Every aspect of the bullshit rules, laws, guidance imposed or pushed by central and local government is a continuation of lockdown. Lockdown will not be over until all of these things are gone, an admission that it was a mistake or at least that it’s over is made, and they are replaced by simply giving people accurate information about the risks and treating the virus as one of many circulating. As long as the virus is treated as exceptional, lockdown, or medicofascism to give it a more general term, continues
Here here. Lockdown is far from over, not to mention the threat of the reintroduction of restrictions acting as a brake on so many activities/businesses. They’ve set a precedent, and they know it works and they’ll happily use it again. And again.
One objective is clearly to destroy small and medium size business to make people dependent on the state.
The big stores in my city centre seem to be doing fine judging by the traffic flows in and out but my outlying high street of mostly independent stores is looking tired and sad compared to six months ago.
It sure looks that way. Otherwise why would they have prolonged this stupidity for so long? They do have a plan and we’re not going to like it very much.
I agree. What we think of as the Government has declared war on us. As others have said, there has been a coup. It matters nothing who is PM or who tries to take over, nothing will change. Starmer could be even worse. I am not sure how Brexit fits in but I fear it’s all a side-show now, at most another way to keep us divided. Either way, those predicting mayhem and food shortages may well be right.
Take your pick of ‘conspiracies’ as to who is actually in charge and the ideology behind it. I suspect what is planned has some of the hallmarks of so-called Communist China (massive surveillance and control) while actually serving globalist turbo-capitalism following, at worst, a sinister and warped ‘Green’ (population reduction) agenda complete with mandatory vaccines.
Anyone involved at Government (including advisory) level is either already signed-up to what is going on (bought-off) or they are as brainwashed and deluded as most of the population they are meant to serve. A small percentage of back-bench MPs seem to be sceptical, probably proportionate to the electorate but they have no clout.
Lockdown is very much with us and is not about to go away. The so-called local lockdowns stay in place, barely, if at all, relaxed and with no end-date. The rest of us live under the threat of them thanks to the mendacious and political use of PCR tests which eminent scientists and even the CDC are clear have no part to play in managing epidemics.
The question is, what are we going to do about it? The protests are at least a start and I believe we need to talk to people as often as possible, even if it means braving the shops and not cowering online. There is much more opposition to this than we think but many people who are not buying in don’t know what to do and many don’t understand the politics behind it. We need to let them in on it, as best we can. Not everyone will react negatively and we can’t help those who do. MW
Yes, Miriam.
There was a link to a video last night, some American chap, saying that mass civil disobedience was the best way forward. We must NOT COMPLY with the Government’s directives; and must encourage others to have the courage to do the same.
He mentioned this video clip which sums it up well for me:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peter+finch+network+i%27m+as+mad+as+hell&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddib2-HBsF08
That’s brilliant!
I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more!
How many CCTV cameras have been installed in London?
I absolutely agree that lockdown hasn’t ended. In fact it feels more like lockdown now than when we were officially locked down; every trip out is so depressing and stressful because of the masked faces everywhere.
Mrs BTL and I haven’t set foot in a shop since M-Day apart from the local Coop for bare essentials – otherwise it’s been outdoor farmers’ markets and the veg stall set up outside the pub. OK for now, but cold and wet once winter sets in!
If big business hasn’t pushed back to date, there’s little prospect of them doing so now – they’re all planning to reduce their cost base. Here are some of the conversations in HR and corporate planning:
“Mr Jones, I see you were on £40k pa; you can work from home now and as you will be saving on travel costs, the salary will be £35k next year – oh, and the hours will be 8 till 6, not 9 till 5.”
“We’re keeping you on, but only on a one-year contract, as we’re looking to offshore the role to a home-worker from the Caribbean at £20k pa in 2022.”
“The last 6 months has shown us that we can operate at 80% capacity with 50% of the team – great for the bottom line, so that’s the new business model.”
“We’ve lost no sales but they have moved online. Footfall is down so much in 20 of our superstores, they are no longer economic. We’ll close them and sell the land for development.”
As for smaller businesses, a quick trip through the town centre shows that those who haven’t already closed will be doing so soon – urban wastelands with tumbleweed blowing through.
THIS MUST CHANGE – AND SOON!
Everything is broken, smashed to bits. Life is shit. Everything is miserable. The world out there is scary and it’s full of cu…
I don’t want anything to do with any of it. I am getting ready to shut the doors, close the curtains disengage totally with everybody and everything that used to make up my already pretty empty life worth living.
I don’t want to talk to anybody as they will invariably be brainwashed fools.
Apart from that, everything is fine.
Oh I don’t know, just filled up in a busy petrol station, not a mask in sight, all Covid signage gone. Their card reader declined mine even though there is plenty on it, just as well I always carry cash because I don’t trust the coming cashless society.
Currently having a coffee in a pub garden, more the half the tables occupied by happy maskless people, not bad for early lunchtime on Sunday.
Right, I am going to go out for Sunday lunch. Fingers crossed it won’t be PPE HELL. I know a really BASIC pub who I know don’t give a flying monkey toss about COVIDS.
So my first choice of a Sunday lunch establishment, easily the best in town, no cash and the staff wearing face nappies. So F*&k them.
So I have just come back from a Toby Carvery, actually it was all pretty normal. The only new normal BS was that I wasn’t allowed to serve myself the vegetables and gravy and some mental but low-key social distancing BS in place. No face nappies!
Nice grub too and reasonably priced. The beers available were quite restricted, table service only I think and it wasn’t very busy. No track and track either, perhaps if I payed with a card or booked a table it might have been different. I wasn’t asked anyway.
Can I take it from your reply to me above that my post helped you to decide to go for what sounds like a pleasant lunch ? If so, glad it helped.
Had a problem with a card the other week – again would never ever go out without cash, partly for this reason. Had to return something in store, shop would only refund via contactless, ok fine. Next time I came to use the card (not in a shop), it was declined. On the call to the bank. they explained if the retailer does something wrong or the contactless payment isn’t 100% ok the first time, it triggers a block.
Not a fan of some shops beginning to almost verbally attack people now for the crime of carrying a few pounds in cash – mentioning no names (cough, cough Waterstones) more so when I point out the lunacy of their policy which encourages dozens of hands being smeared over a card terminal which they refuse to clean or sanitize.
I’ve never understood the assumption that plastic cards are less likely to be Covid soiled than cash.
Two-Six, I think my ‘I’m not Brainwashed’ badge came from you? I wear it shopping.
Too, how about one that says: ‘I’m as mad as hell – and I’m not going to take it anymore.’
From this, of course:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peter+finch+network+i%27m+as+mad+as+hell&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddib2-HBsF08
Yep you got it from me, I am glad you DID actually get it, I have had a few go missing in the now almost totally quadra-spazzed post office system.
I found a flyer in Morrisons ,maskless and a few more without as well…, advertising gigs next year at the Cavern Lounge Liverpool, made me feel a bit more positive.. for a mo!
All of the above will happen, whether or not the daft rules about masks, one way systems, leaving contacts in pubs, stickers on pavements etc go away, or not. We’d better get used to it. And adapt, as so many consumers have already to Zoom and online shopping. Savvy businesses will fill gaps, non savvy ones will disappear. Just like society does with all major changes, like the eradication of domestic service via automation. To want to return to the exact way things were is crying for the moon.
Move along everyone, nothing to see here. MW
Making a virtue out of your submission helps no one.
And where do you get the idea that domestic service has been ‘eradicated’ just because everyone has a vaccuum cleaner? Before batflu domestic/home help services were used by a larger percentage of the population than at any time since pre-WWI. It’s simply that the servants don’t live in any more.
You’re absolutely right. Our town now looks like an open prison full of chain gangs, shuffling in queues, without the chains (at the moment) but with the added indignity of the mask, that makes them almost look shameful. It’s utterly vile but they all seem to accept this quite happily. Businesses are very complicit in this, with their petty bloody rules. They don’t seem to care that are far fewer customers now. I’d have thought they’d have kicked off but no. It’s like everyone is under a spell! I also avoid as many shops as I can now – a part of me dies every time I have to go shopping.
“Sales moved online”.
A manager of a medium sized Major Supermarket told me a month ago that yes, online sales had boomed but not to their benefit. They are so heavily discounted as to make no profit but they and their competitors are all to scared to be the first to break ranks and up prices.
Dunno if it’s true but it’s what he said.
I don’t see that at all. I think the price of food has risen quite steeply.
Not steeply for me but noticed 10p here and 20p there – with a possibility to creep of course.
Exactly. I noticed in Lidl various things which used to be 99p are now £1.09, that kind of thing.
While agreeing with all you say, I’m in the happy position of not being affected much by lockdown even at it’s most strict. Out and about as key worker throughout, stopped going out in the evening years ago, no dependents, mask exempt, yet still I find it hateful.
Modelofacism perhaps.
A bit late now isn’t it? These businesses have been cowardly and kowtowed to every government diktat on Covid 19 “safety” which as a result have given their staff the licence to treat customers like dirt.
If they’re really serious about saving their businesses then they should grow a spine – push back, end all that “safety” nonsense and enforce a zero tolerance policy on their staff who treat customers like shit.
Until that happens they’re still not getting a penny from me.
True. Keenly following all of the stupid guidelines also helps to perpetuate the fear that they say Hancock shouldn’t be propagating.
Collectively, big businesses probably have more real power and influence than politicians. If they have the will, they can end this.
Exactly. All these guidelines don’t foster confidence and deter people from looking at shopping as a pleasure. I’ve lost count of how many people have said that either a) they’ve not been inside a store since lockdown or b) they’re in and out of a shop in less than X minutes after grabbing everything on their list. People are voting with their feet and wallets.
If there’s a will there’s a way – big business, the heritage and cultural sectors, the leisure industry, etc should all band together to demand an end to this lunacy if they want to survive. If they don’t then they will perish and will only have themselves to blame.
Yeah definitely. I barely shop anymore because it’s such a rigmarole with all of the different ‘rules’ in different places. Mostly limit it to Tesco now as I know I can expect a reasonably ‘normal’ and non intrusive experience in my local one. Other discretionary spending outside of the house is pretty much limited to the local pub as it’s quite normal. Even ordering a takeaway can be depressing, never knowing whether you’re going to be handed your food or be treated to a strange ‘contact free’ delivery!
Big business really needs to do something about this, both to make their businesses more attractive to customers and get rid of the unnecessary cost of implementing these guidelines. They probably think they’ll receive damaging pushback from the public. In reality, it would just be the usual loud mouthpieces sounding off.
Agree. I’ve limited my food shopping to the branches of big supermarkets that I know because I can be confident that it will be relatively normal and the staff will be helpful and treat everyone equally. As for takeaway, the places I’ve ordered food from have been ignoring the “contact free” method from the word go.
From my experience at my work I suspect that companies have spent money they don’t have on these pointless “Covid safety” signage, cleaning products, etc. And the abysmal visitor numbers we’ve been getting are not enough to pay for all cloths, cleaning spays, hand sanitiser, etc.True we have people who appreciate the “safety” measures but the fact that we have far less visitors should be telling TPTB that a big majority are not happy and hence why they’re not coming.
I spoke with my mother yesterday. She runs an “antique” shop (it’s junk she buys at car boots and auction) in Devon. She’s in her mid 70s so it’s more of a hobby than anything…ties in nicely with her hoarding tendencies.
It’s clear where I inherited my capacity for scepticism from. Every customer who comes in she announces loudly “you can take that mask off. I won’t we wearing one and I don’t expect you to either”. They all heave a sigh of relief and she says her takings are up twice this time last year despite only being open 3 days a week vs 5 last year.
Message there for health & safety obsessed shop owners. My mother is recovering from cancer, and she’s not scared. And I am not scared for her. She’s happy and enjoying life (and refusing to wear a mask anywhere).
Good for you mum.
That’s the usual reaction when I say the same to masked up people trying to talk to me in public.
A big thumbs up to your mum!!! More power to her!
This is the comment that made my day.
Three cheers for your mother!
I shop less widely than in the olden days but it’s because I try to support those businesses that welcomed my custom during lockdown, did not treat me like a leper or, in the case of petrol stations, have signs demanding that I wash my hands but closed their bogs to paying customers.
Shop in bulk. Buy for five days or so.
Agree.Business leaders are complicit in the lockdown. Why were they so quiet until now?
Good question. My husband thinks its because they’re afraid of any shit storm and being accused of putting their profits ahead of people’s lives.
I hope they’re now realising that they’ve put people’s lives in jeopardy because they’re not making any profits.
Right on!
Seriously I believe Hancock is insane. He needs to be removed ASAP. He’s on a power trip that is crippling this country and seems determined to destroy the country regardless of the stupidity of the Covid rules I cannot bear to listen to any more of the governments opinions on Covid. Why isn’t Parliament doing anything about this?
I do wonder what financial interests both he and members of Sage have in all this. Once you have shares in the vaccine or mask companies you are quids in. And of course there’s the directorships. The international conferences with all the bigwigs. It cant help their judgment.
The tentacles of the pharma industry are everywhere,
The entire medical profession and medical industry has been taken over by them. At every level, in every country and of course at the supranational level.
Here is just one example.
In the UK, doctors must follow procedures that are defined by a public agency called NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence). They decide what is the correct treatment that doctors must follow in each instance. Their board is stacked with pharma company directors. Works the same in most countries.
Pick any aspect of the medical profession, dig a bit, and you’ll discover the overriding influence of the pharmaceutical industry.
The world pharma industry is about 1.4 trillion dollars per year.
The oil industry for comparison is about 1.7 trillion.
It’s huge business and it controls the entire medical profession.
Oil and pharma are directly linked. You can throw Big Ag in there too – hence the sinister plant-based diet nonsense.
Yep, blame J. D. Rockerfeller for that! He went from oil to big pharma!
Hancock had a share in a pharmaceutical company – not sure what hi9s current situation is
He’s from the AI sector.
Maybe he’s an android?
Sounds like conflict of interest to me. Needs serious investigating.
In my opinion they’re all under the direction of the globalists now. UK Column said its becoming more and more obvious that it’s a “government under occupation” and Billy boy with his never empty pockets and vaccine cartel appear to be at the forefront. Hancock, Whitty, Johsnson et al, have sold us all down the river, but are nothing more than obedient puppets themselves, doing the job for their rewards at the end.
I am not defending politicians. They have no morals or, if they do, no courage.
However, at some point we need to start asking some deeper questions about why ministers and officials are acting the way they do.
I am sure that the number one priority of politicians at the moment is to make sure nobody can accuse them of having blood on their hands. Sadly that’s the way it works now. The media is on the look out for any gotcha story they can sensationalise. And the hysterical, braying masses are easily worked up.
The safe approach for Hancock et al. is to overshoot with measures so that they cannot be accused of not having done enough, which seems to be the more likely accusation. I mean, let’s be honest, dealing with teachers’ unions who are hysterically calling for “safety at work” must be a nightmare. And you know that the moment a teacher gets sick somewhere and goes to hospital the media are going to stir up a shit storm. Forget about if one ends up in IC or god forbid dying, then Hancock will be accused of being a criminal with blood on his hands. That’s just the way it works.
The only way this stops is if (a) the public start growing up, use their brains and learn to put things into context (b) the media start acting responsibly and stop presenting the most sensational angle in every story and of course (c) politicians start growing a spine and learn to take some political risk for the common good.
I don’t see any of these things happening any time soon, sadly.
The government paid the media to propagandise the public into accepting the scary story. They coud easily use the same tactics to backtrack and get us out. Instead, they are doing the opposite, doubling down on the threats and the fearmongering.
True,but The Sun has a story today claiming that working from home when the children go back to school could damage your mental health.Also the tax rises being discussed for the weathly should concentrate a few minds.
It has far more to do with the development of a social caste than the influence of Big Pharma. Read Peter Oborne’s The Rise of the Political Class. I suspect that one could develop an interesting model of ‘incestuous’ beliefs arising in such a situation … Another aspect has to do with the cowardice of these people; they’ve lived all their lives in safe spaces and and the result is a cohort of arrogant neurasthenics (what a combination!).
What Parliament? They were furloughed months ago.
He really seems to enjoy issuing the draconian threats. Definitely a psychopath.
I think our best hope of the Goverment reversing policy will come from business leaders and Tory donors! I don’t think there are many that will be happy with what the Tories are doing! Plus the Tories have taken a right hammering in the latest polls!
A fine statement from a Human Being:
How has the Human Race survived? By Breathing through our Noses & Mouths! Now the Govt has turned Sheeple into Amoebas, with only one Brain Cell. If you choose to wear a mask or whatever. I wouldnt dream of Bullying you into not doing so. So you wear your Mask, but keep your Nose out of my Choice not to wear one!! I havent worn one yet! Im 72 & if my numbers up, it most likely wont be from a not very lethal Seasonal Flu Virus. Most of us die from Anything but, the Flu. Dementia, Cancer, Heart Conditions or just Old age, etc. Id rather if in that state, get a quick exit helped along by Covid, whichever mutated version is the current one than fester away in Isolation from Friends & Family, no hugs, no gatherings of lots of us altogether like Humans normally do.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676535/Jenny-Harries-says-face-coverings-evidence-not-strong.html#newcomment
Frankly I want to rip off Nodcock’s face!
Not my message, it’s from a sturdy Daily Fail commenter.Three cheers for him and all those like him.
I agree with this. As someone with a family history of Alzheimer’s I’d rather have a quick exit from either Covid-19 or flu than endure a prolonged death from dementia. If I was festering in a nursing home I certainly wouldn’t appreciate vaccinations and anything else to keep me suffering for longer.
Hear hear!
For some reason Lovsl Live online has gone entirely Covid/lockdown free again this morning.
Don’t suppose it’s got anything to do with not wanting to discourage returning to school on Tuesday. Effectively propaganda by omission.
Anything that isn’t actively peddling Covid hysteria is a bonus.
Wow…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/government-drive-urging-people-back-office-ice-fears-spike-incovid/
As I asked yesterday do Johnson and Hancock even speak to each other.
This U Turn is incredible since Johnson and Shapps did the selling job on safe return to work on Friday.
Incredible
Good cop/bad cop. Keep people confused and frightened. Control by fear, divide and rule. They are utterly despicable. I tend to think they know exactly what they are doing.
If I learned those two had been found dead in a ditch I would think justice had been served.
I’d be sorry for the ditch.
As a work colleague once said to me about another colleague: “I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire”. That was a long time ago, when workplace “banter” was a bit more fiery than it is these days.
Psy-op!
News from an elderly friend ( a total Covid believer, impervious to argument):
I had to wait outside in my car to be called in for my [dental] appointment but it all worked out fairly well. I only took my walking stick in with me and this was handled in surgery with a paper tissue. However on using the gel on the way out I dropped the stick (it slipped through my hands) and it was handed back to me with yet another tissue. My poor sister who had an appointment with both hygenist and dentist had to pay £7 each time for protective equipment.
[on shopping:]
The most difficult bit is stowing all the items into the cupboard space and I was told to leave the stuff in the shopping bag for 72 hours -so now freezer and cupboard is fairly full. [my italics]
*****
So she leaves all her shopping for72 hours so that all the perishables go off.
What is it about Covid hysteria that destroys the brains of formerly sensible people and makes them blind to the sheer, monstrous silliness that they wade through daily? I know there’s no satisfactory answer to the question, I’m just howling in the wilderness…
Has she actually managed to consume any perishables since March, or does this 72 hour cycle continue in perpetuity?!
Well, she’s still alive, if you can call it living.
Sounds awful. Although this mess is infuriating on a daily basis, we really are the lucky ones not living in a state of constant fear.
As for your friend, an image formed in my head of her making a cup of tea after the vital 72 hour quarantine period, having her ‘safe’ milk curdle as it hits the tea, then going out to buy another bottle and repeating the whole process again!
I despair I really do.
I know people who are fervent believers at work although not as extreme as your friend. While talking about how sad it is that people are leaving through voluntary redundancy, I said that this should never have happened, I still get the usual platitudes about second wave, safety and social distancing.
I’m beginning to think that the threat of compulsory redundancy in black and white or their parents or husband/boyfriend/partner losing their jobs and savings would be the only way to really wake them up now.
Scary stuff.
Here is another one: I know this lady who works in Tescos. She is a lovely lovely lady from Ireland. Very Irish indeed. She isn’t the sharpest tool in the box but she is always smiling and sweet as honey. We have lovely chats at the till and I go to her out of preference every time she is at work.
She lives near me, we chuckle because there is an alley way in front of our house which leads to the end of the close she lives in and to this day she hasn’t figured this out and walks all the way around the road. Bless….
So yesterday I saw her walking home from work in her uniform, which is a long way from we live….
WEARING A FACE NAPPY!!!
I almost cried. Literally.
What have the government DONE TO PEOPLE!!!!!
Bastards.
Don’t know about that, many women won’t walk down an enclosed alley if there’s an alternative. Been goosed too often.
It’s a fine alleyway, short and you can see both ends. Safe as houses.
An off duty Tesco lad told me 2 weeks ago that while not ‘compulsory’, wearing was now “strongly advised” by management.
But wearing one home is taking the biscuit, except for NHS staff for whom it is mandatory.
Ah but you haven’t to touch them once you’ve worn them, so she’s following the protocol safely.
In the news today, a Support Group to assist those still shielding , accompanying them on that first daunting trip to the shops in 6 months.
Ye gods, my 85 year old mum would have been off to her little shops the day they were allowed to reopen.
My mother in law was going to be accompanied on a her first shopping trip since coming out of shielding, by my brother in law, to make sure she was fully following all the rules, using sanitiser, wearing a mask…because she was so terrified…my mum however, bust out her jail as soon as she could. She was supposed to be confined to the house, no exceptions, but she got very depressed and was going stir crazy so she just…went out for a walk or for a bit of shopping…did her the world of good!
Don’t worry, this is what some of our family have been doing since March. They also wear masks in the presence of guests in their homes, or they set up separate tables in the garden for guests to sit at, and they won’t visit us because we refuse to wear masks full stop, let alone in our own house! They rabidly follow all the social distance rules and their hands have become shrivelled and dried out due to overuse of sanitisers. We have refused to follow this nonsense from day one, and are happier and healthier. But we’re the crazy, irresponsible ones, apparently.
Since March the Government has given Nicola Sturgeon a licence to look like she’s the only adult in the room and the media always let her ramble on unchallenged. They don’t even mention her appalling attack on free speech with her Hate Crime Bill.
Meanwhile on the day as the Government wants to encourage people back to work, Matt Hancock starts salivating about a second lock down and the treasury talks of massive tax rises.
We need more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFT5f3avdOc
I was at the Unite for Freedom rally yesterday, and it was nice to be part of an amiable crowd where no one was social distancing. I saw only two people wearing masks (must have strayed in by mistake) though the police were all wearing them. Like your correspondent, I didn’t agree with all the views of all the people there; but everyone was against masks, the lockdown, and the ‘new normal’.
Thanks for adding your account. And thanks to all who postested their accounts earlier too. Really impressive to see so many were at a protest for the first time.
I saw on streamed coverage police wearing masks and purple latex gloves. Wandering about in soft hats.
“I saw on streamed coverage police wearing masks and purple latex gloves. Wandering about in soft hats.”
The soft hats obviously matched their soft brains! But speaking of the police I saw two trying to stop a man from climbing over the barrier, I swear they looked no more than 16 years old and their uniforms and hat were much too big for their bodies. Is this policing 2020, using kids to do their dirty work?
They will be the latex gloves usually used to examine the rear ends of junkies with, nice.
It’s all the rage now.
Interesting that the police, who do not need to wear masks, were wearing g them. Another political statement from our plod.
A way for poersonnel to hide their face from cameras? To police effectively is to communicate, masks hinder.
I was there, too. The woman who was MC did a bloody good job, IMO. It was a genuinely diverse crowd, in every sense (not just the normally approved of ‘diversity’). I even saw some folks wearing MAGA and ‘Trump 2020’ hats
Plus, as you say, the crowd was amiable and the mood was entirely positive, as in ‘yes, this is all shit, but we can and will do something about it’.
I agree the MC did a great job. Didn’t agree with all her views but that’s OK. Interestingly, the police right next to the protest were wearing masks. But the 20 or so police standing shoulder to shoulder outside Downing St were not wearing masks. It did look like they were trying to make some sort of point. Why would they not care about social distancing and masks in all locations?
Well done, good for you.
Mr Shapps added that the government’s message to workers was that “it is now safe to go back”, adding: “Your employer should have made arrangements which are appropriate to make sure it is coronavirus-safe to work.
48 hours later Hancock has effectively forced another U Turn.
Meanwhile the “PM” is what still on holiday?
Bozo the Invisible is on perpetual holiday isn’t he? If he was a captain whose ship had struck an iceberg he’d be the first in the lifeboat along with his sidekick Nodcock.
Sorry, but I’m delighted he’s staying away from the spotlight! Just seeing his name on this forum causes gorge to rise, blood to boil, heart attack likely.
Anyway I’m certain he must be constantly liaising with EU leaders with no time for photo ops. Isn’t he?
He hasn’t shaken off the EU shackles, he never wanted to. He’s another worthless bone idle charlatan masquerading as our PM. To think I thought May was the worst PM ever!!
For me that accolade is for Gordon Brown. In recent years anyway.
Hahahaha!
He has already packed his bags just in case things go awry.
How many weeks was his hero Churchill on holiday before total victory became more or less certain?
https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057?s=20
Pin this.
Does this mean that the vast majority of deaths could have easily been attributed to any of the other comorbidities?. Surely if they cannot say 100% either way, it is wrong to “assume” Covid, why not assume the alternative?.
If course it was wrong to assume it was Covid, it that was the Big Lie the government pedalled in order to scare the bejezus out of us. The same with school closures. They thought we wouldn’t take the virus seriously if they were kept open. Masks and social distancing were treated with the same maximum fear factors.
When all is said and done its just another virus that appears then disappears, the government have learnt how gullible the population is and uses it mercilessly against us.
I favour the gallows for Treason.
Just as SAGEs current prediction of 85,000 2nd wave deaths will probably mean the demise of 850 elderly folk already at deaths door of whatever is killing them anyway but will be labelled died with the Covid.
“No longer available”
Told the truth, obviously.
Peter Hitchens’s piece in the Mail today about ‘Rule Britannia’ strikes a chord with me, especially this bit:
I suspect everyone … pictured those haughty tyrants as foreigners in strange uniforms or silly hats, Bonaparte, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin.
We never thought that – when it came to it – our painfully acquired freedoms would be strangled by a jolly, obese, blond Etonian.
Or that a people once famed for their fierceness and independence would be tamed into muzzled, mumbling submissives by a little well-orchestrated fear propaganda.
Never shall be slaves, indeed. What right do we now have to sing it at all, whether the BBC lets us or not?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8677727/PETER-HITCHENS-rant-BBC-Proms-make-slaves.html
My only disagreement is that, rather than the all-embracing we, some of us still do retain the right to think of ourselves as never being slaves.
The thing is I don’t think Boris is running anything.
Hancock appears to be.
With Cummings.
Cummings is out of action at the moment? After his op?
You’re correct about Johnson though – as Tyneside Tigress said yesterday, he’s not governing and is incapable of governing.
He’s damned lucky to be getting an operation, cancer patients are unable to get any treatment!!
Bet he’s going private. Such services are doing a roaring trade …
In Sweden medical services have been adapted, and I hear there are much longer waiting lists than normal for non-essential surgery. So I was somewhat surprised when an acquaintance mentioned in an email the other day that she has recently had breast-reduction surgery! I don’t know her very well (I was actually surprised she even mentioned it) so I’m not sure how long she had been waiting, but she does not strike me as someone who would have been able to go private, so I think she was very lucky to get it done at this time. Especially as we are in Sweden’s 4th largest city, where there have been more Covid cases than in some other areas..
What op? Not heard about that..
Can’t remember where I read it now, but I’m sure I read somewhere that he had it in July, so has been out of action.
It’s well known he’s been due some operation since last autumn. No idea what it’s for. Much as I despise what he’s been a part of in the covid scam, I do hope it goes ok, whatever it is.
It was interesting when Boris spoke about the Proms issue, that he implied he was not supposed to be talking about it and that others were controlling what he says in public..
Of the 4 points your contributor who attended the Trafalgar square rally was not comfortable with: I would agree 100% only with the fourth, that it was all planned and premeditated – there is a wealth of evidence readily available for this. (UN Agenda 21; Rockefeller lockstep; various publications by the World Economic Forum; Event 201 – look into it, and prepare to have your eyes opened) With the second, we are being prepared for mandatory vaccines that will sterilise and/or kill us, qualified agreement – all I am really certain of is 1) somebody REALLY REALLY wants us to get this vaccine; 2) it has nothing to do with protecting us from a virus less dangerous than the flu. So alarm bells are ringing madly, and the question looms – so WHY are they so desperate for us to have it, and what TF is it REALLY for? – and if you put it together with the evidence for (4) – reduction of global population – a very disturbing picture begins to emerge… but I admit the evidence for this is circumstantial, it is an informed guess, there is as yet no HARD evidence on why they want us to have the vaccine, and what is in it. As for the other 2, fluoride and 5G, I have no real opinion or comment, other than to say, NOTHING would surprise me any more. Once you are convinced that the world is in the hand of evil fascists, any horror is possible: didn’t the Nazis – protofascists compared to these – make the Jews into lightshades or something.
If firefighters have fire engines and hoses and training for putting out fires, does that mean the fires are planned?
If a robber has a black mask, crow bar, stripey jumper and a bag marked swag hss he planned a robbery?
technically he is “going equipped” and can be arrested (it is the crow bar that does it )
Could be off to say a fancy dress do. Point is whatever equipment without proof of intent or evidence of a crime it does not matter.
The publications cited by Jane Harry suggest intent!
I would guess they’re a person going to a fancy dress party. But not really sure I’m following the analogy as intended ha.
Well, it might do if a new type of dangerous fire was predicted (modelled) for which unprecedented firefighting equipment was deemed necessary
If the emergence of new types of dangerous fire was without precedent, that would indeed be odd. If new types of fire emerge all the time as part of the natural evolution of things, maybe not so odd?
Indeed, but I think all of these views are too easily attacked and dismissed in mainstream media and by the public at large, and they are not required to win the argument that needs winning. I think we would be better off sticking to the core message – there was a damaging over-reaction, the virus has shown itself to be much less dangerous than thought, getting back to normal is best FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH STANDPOINT as much as anything.
Much though the sheer madness of the measures imposed on us to combat this virus are so illogical, contradictory and disproportionate, that conspiracy theories quite reasonably fill this vacuum of reason, I really don’t think they forward the cause that I am interested in which is to return as swiftly as possible to the old normal where we all accepted that there are numerous viruses in circulation out there and that containment policies which restrict well established human rights and freedoms are only justified for those with extreme fatality rates (for example Ebola). Unfortunately the conspiracy theories only enable MSM to brand our completely justified fight for our rights and freedoms back as nutjobs. We need to win this battle first before unpicking what the hell it was all about. Though I tend to the view that it is panic and incompetence it is so bizarre and global that it does make you wonder….
Yes. One-pointed protests about the loss of freedoms will be much more effective. However, I think it’s important to understand how and why this is not about mere incompetence, so we know what we’re really up against.
The Old Normal is why we’re teetering on the brink of the New Normal now. We’d better be more vigilant if we ever get back to the Old Normal because these bastards won’t give up without a fight. They’re obsessed and have Utopist beliefs that I could never live with. They are also an affront to the best aspects of The Enlightenment and the thoughts of thinkers like John Stuart Mill.
I would welcome understanding Fluoride as I have been unable to discover how it works to protect tooth decay before now. But it has nothing to do as far as I can see with Sars-CoV-2. I feel it is off topic. It is simply not practical to fight back on every wrong or percieved wrong that was ever done.
I can appreciate others feeling much more strongly about issues who have researched and concluded what they have. Perhaps there is room for vocalising the Precautionary Principle as part of Covid lockdown measure protesting. The Precautionary Principle is only employed when it suits the Government/lobby groups.
Robert Kennedy’s talk to the doctors yesterday was interesting and he mentioned the fluoride issue there.
There is also a difference between biological fluoride and the version found in toothpaste, which is a bi-product of the aluminium industry that they had to find a way of getting rid of somehow. If you look at your toothpaste tube, it will warn of the dangers of swallowing the stuff (even though the lining of the mouth also is the fastest way into the bloodstream (hence why you spray angina medicines under your tongue)…In the US I believe that it tells you on the tube to contact a poison control centre if you swallow toothpaste!
You are correct. I still don’t understand how Fluoride works.
It’s painted onto teeth. Put in water. Brushed against teeth twice daily. It is a curiosity to me.
Fluoride is an industrial waste product and also a neurotoxin and carcinogen. https://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/
The council put it in our water back in the 1970s and my brother promptly became allergic to the water at home – fortunately he lived in London.
It was removed when water was privatised and Yorkshire Water stated they would only add it on local authority mandate – presumably because they know it’s toxic and don’t want the liability.
It hasn’t been mandated in over 40 years, so if the government suddenly start pushing for it, that will prove yet another piece in their insidious jigsaw.
Otherwise it’s irrelevant to our current struggle.
The ‘5G is going to give you cancer’ view is one I don’t know enough about and seem leery of. But … I do think that there’s a credible cause for concern with 5G and monitoring of the population. Don’t forget that the Chinese were going to build it ‘for us’ and I think we know what sort of society they have …
Are still building it and their technology will always be used in it. The Gov have only said from 2027 they will ban the buying of any new 5g kit from Huawei, but by then the majority of it will have been already built by Huawei and the Chinese will have a pretty good foothold in to our communications nework.
5G uses broadly the same frequencies and powers as 2G, 3G and 4G and for that matter all the high power TV broadcast transmitters that have been there for many years. There is no danger, full stop. As for Huawei, that is largely political and since they hold most of they 5G patents it will be virtually impossible not to use their stuff.
Again, I don’t understand the 5G arguments but one thing I hear is that the radiation is no different to that in a domestic microwave. However, the difference is the device connected to 5G is usually kept in a pocket near ones testicles. Is this a cause for concern?
It is if you’re a woman
But no different from a 2G/3G/4G phone. Even at this range the risks are minimal and are well understood.
The 5G War — Technology Versus Humanity
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/06/05/technology-versus-humanity.aspx
5G being installed at the moment in the UK does not use these ‘millimeter’ frequencies, rather shares it with the lower frequencies already used by 2G/3G/4G. Countless studies have been done on all these frequency bands in the past, largely in connection with radar applicatios), their characteristics and safety limits are well known and for mobile phone applications well below that which could cause harm.
Scientific American Warns: 5G is Unsafe
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/scientific-american-warns-5g-unsafe
96 Abstracts with Electromagnetic Radiation Mitigation Research
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/electromagnetic-radiation-mitigation
5G uses broadly the same frequencies and powers as 2G, 3G and 4G and for that matter all the high power TV broadcast transmitters that have been there for many years.
If that were true, why do 5G masts need to be so much taller that they have to be thinly disguised as trees?
They use a much shorter frequency, more akin to microwaves.
WTF??
Have you proof that that is a 5G mast? Many existing mobile phone masts are exactly this construction and height, disguised as trees to keep the environmental people happy. The actual radiating antennas are right at the top in the silver containers. Most masts will have antennas for all the mobile networks available in that area. You can’t tell it radiates 5G just by looking at it.
Sorry but there is a lot of unsubstantiated rubbish put out by people who know absolutely nothing about the technology. In any case it has absolutely nothing to do with our current lockdown issues and will not help our case in the slightest.
I went to a website yesterday to find out what 5G masts look like and the first one shown just above looks exactly like one of them.
As there is a link with those living near Electricity Pylons and Electricity Sub Stations resulting in higher rates of cancer, it should not be ruled out. I believe high usage of mobile phones can cause brain damage too. There must be some reason there are so many masked zombies about.
I read somewhere that the IQ of the current generation is 15 points lower than those 50 years ago – to do with career women not having children, thus on average children are born from a lower intelligence gene pool.
It wouldn’t surprise me if education, TV and technology hasn’t also played some part.
But clearly, compared to my father’s generation, this generation has lost all common sense and spine.
I’d agree… as an acquaintance of mine says ‘common sense isn’t very common any more’…..
It’s uncommon and bordering on the nonsensical.
Well said – that is what Robert Kennedy mentioned yesterday..
Several governments have halted the rollout due to safety concerns.
Google 5G halted safety.
BUT …
this gives others an easy stick to beat lockdown sceptics with – they can say that we are all aligned with your 4 points above, which are certainly not mainstream views.
I hesitate to use the B-word, but my biggest difficulty in the Brexit debate was that once I said I was a leaver [fundamentally for economic and governance reasons], I was deemed to be aligned with racist bigots simply because they were on the train with me. We have the same happening here.
The BBC has for example categorised the Berlin demonstration as people with Nazi flags and those denying that Covid exists. This is not helpful to the cause of allowing us to return to living a normal and unrestricted life, but I guess it’s inevitable.
Categorized? Were people flying Nazi flags or not? As well, why should we ask for permission to get out of this authritarian nightmare?
Jane, you might find this article enlightening, it puts everything you mention together: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/30/patrick-wood-technocracy.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20200830Z1&mid=DM641317&rid=952601710
Problems overnight in Berlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkxPBs2dgE
Any chance you could summarize, Helen? The only words I understood were ‘tear gas’
Dear Charlie, I watched live, and am German, so I give you a summary of what happened. The official part finished at 8.30pm, having started at 3.30pm with lots of speakers, meditation sessions and music. Then the organiser Markus Haintz, a laywer, had tried to get permission in the days before that people could camp in the huge park area (Tierpark). This of course had been challenged by the police, but the court had not made a decision about it’s legality, so the organiser said he is under the impression they can camp, but discouraged it. As so many people were still hanging around, which the police does not like (not enough distance between people and the danger of infecting each other, officially, and no right to congregate in large numbers on public space). So Markus Haintz spontaneously declared a new demonstration, which is legal, as long as you have a topic and a responsible person who declares themselves as such ( I learned a lot about these laws yday), they had speakers on the stage ( a requirement), but still the police finally cut them off about 11.30(?). They came into the backstage area, did not let anyone get on stage and told the organisers to shut off power.
People started to sit down, police tried to move people towards the street which they had designated as an exit. They started to pick them up and move them down the street, which took about an hour. A little group (100-150) were hard core and were left on the pavement. again, Markus “had to” declare a spontaneous demonstration with the topic Freedom for the press. This lasted between 1h – 1.5h. Police were towards the end very co-operative, taking helmets off and retreating. At 2.30am it was declared finished and people peacefully dispersed.
There was a huge police presence in riot gear, but everything was peaceful.
I did not watch the 3 hour link, there were water throwers positioned around hot spots, but never used.
I know there was some trouble at the Reichstag building, which was stopped quickly by a lot of police, and outside the Russian embassy, with quite a few arrests.
Thank you, Silke. Really interesting! Quick thinking from Markus.
Thanks for the account.
Fantastic!
It was confusing. Live streams kept being taken down and I found it difficult to follow. As far as I can tell things went well yesterday afternoon and the speeches were allowed (on 1/8 the police closed the stage). However later in the evening the police tried to clear demonstrators from one area near the stage. The police used a ‘request then lift method’..not arrested, just moved. Looked OK to me but there were reports of rough treatment. No water cannon, no tear gas evident in this area. It seems same thing happened today eventually the police withdrew a bit. In retrospect I wonder if the police were just practising crowd control with relatively peaceful people (except for a few historical women..had enough of those in the mask wearing population). Who knows but there seemed to be no aim to the police actions.
OOoops hysterical
Apparently the police were chasing people through the park when they group tried to go for a peaceful sunday walk. Watch Kai Stute and Bodo Schiffmann hiding. You can hear the police and frightened people.
“Evidence that masks protect from Covid ‘not very strong in either direction,’ says UK’s deputy chief medical officer“
https://www.rt.com/uk/499429-evidence-masks-effective-not-strong/
Crowds as far as the eye can see in Berlin at an event banned by the German government – addressed RFKjnr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJod56JfGA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1H-1qlgvJia9agkHGzMCwjrbJuxWcafRD_UNSJrpR67EmfFJ0cCVEQxcs
Lets get the facts straight. The BERLIN government tried to ban the event, which was overturned by a court. The police then put in a complaint to a higher court, which was overturned by the higher court.
During the march, police stopped it, forcing people to stand close together, therefor claiming they were breaking distance rules, which was an order by the court for the demo to go ahead. Police tried to remove participants with force. Supreme court in Germany in a rapid complaints review declared the police action illegal and march continued. Official number 38k, unofficial more like 2 mill.
Sadly MSM report only few minutes about an event which was spread all around Berlin and lasted 17hours. The last demonstrators left at 2.30am. (I watched it live on YT)
Sadly there were some violence ready protesters at the Bundestag, which was met with very heavy police presence, and of course this also makes the headlines.
Some more pockets of protesters outside USA and Russian embassy which apparently caused some ruckus and led to arrests.
Thank you Silke for this explanation of what *really* happened!
The link uses footage from several YT channels, I recognised Samuel Eckert and Bittel TV, who are 2 famous channels reporting from the event, live streaming for over 10hours!
Looking at children’s clothing online yesterday, noticed several stores offering cloth face masks for young children. M&S, H&M. Can we please have a daily section shaming these companies.
where there is demand there is a supply
Yes, like IG Farben supplying death camps with ZyklonB.
They should be prepared for legal action if a child develops health issues from wearing them.
When attending a Safeguarding course the subject of what constitutes child abuse and how to spot it arose.
Someone suggested mother walking with baby in a papoos or pushchair while staring at her phone might be a form of such abuse since she is denying her baby the eye contact needed to create bonding and to judge whether mummy is sad or glad with baby.
This was supported by most of the women present with some of the older ones getting quite fierce about it (I kept out of it).*
Given that there are more muscles in the human face than anywhere else in the body that are evolved/designed to aid visual interaction how is denying baby such non-verbal communication not a form of child abuse?
Baby is also not able to lipread mummy so will have a much reduced vocabulary not to mention insecurity issues and lacking the ability to form relationships.
*venue was a pub function room and was crowded enough to make Safeguarding Awareness Training fun in these social distancing times.
A protest? In London? 35,000 people? What? Where? How? When?
[The reaction of an alternative me who relies solely on the BBC website for news]
No mention of it (or the Berlin one) on Talk Radio either.
BBC radio news reported on the Berlin protest bring permitted on appeal but no mention of London.
There is a dark side to human nature
I find the current situation deeply disturbing
The vast majority of the British people are thick. Their lack of intelligence is such that they cannot think for themselves. They love being told what to do by the government and the BBC. Without these crutches they are lost.
A nation that watches ‘Britain’s Got Talent’ (when by any measure they surely haven’t) and ‘The Great British Bake Off’. The later involves (I’m told) morons glued to a television screen for hours on end watching gormless people trying to cook something. As an exercise in pig ignorance that takes some beating
A nation that celebrates the existence of Simon Cowell and Piers Morgan but has no idea who Dostoevsky is
Their lives are so mundane and boring that the chance to fight against an unseen killer bug is the most excitement that they will have ever experienced
The threat from the virus also gives them an excuse to virtue signal ad nauseum
Each act of hand sanitising, face nappy wearing, or snitching on neighbours is ‘life affirming’ (to quote the muck generated by Hollywood)
Of course history repeats itself. A problem is however that their understanding of history does not go beyond what they received as presents last Christmas
These are the same people who cheered Hitler in the 1930’s. These are the same people who willingly engaged in genocide. These are the same people who in the aftermath said ‘Really? I had no idea”
They are here, they are now, and given the opportunity and the correct guidance they will kill us
I wouldn’t blame the public. I would just nod to Vilfredo Pareto. The scaling law he discovered is pretty much universal and applies to all sorts of things, including herd behaviour and herd hierarchy.
But also give a nod to the chaos specialists who discovered the odd Predator-Prey behaviour. Only when we almost crash do we see the light. It’s the nature of things and we are in for more horseshit.
Unfortunately these thick people also include those well educated academically with multiple degrees to their name and those who have made a success in their lives.
Both don’t make them immune from succumbing to bouts of irrationality like this current crisis.
Quite true. One thing I have found working in information security is that it is usually the C-Level execs who fall for Phishing scams and Social Engineering.
The problem is for at least 20 years the Universities have produced people who have been taught what to think and not how.
An interesting comment.
Looking back to WW1. The slaughter for no gain. Year after year. The comanders, etc. who made the operational plans. The public who lived with the drip, drip until a generation of men were killed. How did the public at home deal with that? There appears to have been more thinking people around back then. Is the power of brainwashing propaganda so strong?
Yes!
No, they won’t kill us, because we are wise to their game.
Let them kill themselves.
Send them an ample supply of hemlock.
What a snob. You need to get out more and talk to the public you are attempting to deride.
I’m not sure the public are so easily brainwashed judging by the number of skeptical comments we’re now seeing in the Mail and Express.
The nazis and communists had to rely on substantial coercion. A lot of the people in masks are only doing it because they’re following the rules. If you go shopping you find nearly everyone is wearing one but only a small minority are scowling furiously from behind it at anyone who isn’t. And that’s just as often out of respect for rules as fear of the virus.
I remember when we had one-way systems in shops people used to base their arguments solely on the rule of Rules. “Can’t you see the arrows?” Nobody ever accused me of attempted murder.
There’s no harm in watching idiots bake cakes as a way to relax after reading Dostoevsky. Presence of stupid behaviour does not prove stupidity. You have to find absence of intelligent behaviour. But in many ways it’s the people who think they’re smart who are more at risk from pseudo-scientific brainwashing.
But who pens and who reads these comments, even in those papers?!
Definetely not the bulk of their target audience.
Not sure which side has the majority, but we can see an encouraging change. Back in early June many commenters were proposing on-the-spot public caning of Covidiots, to much approval from the peanut gallery.
I have not yet had an actual conversation with anyone at all who thinks that the current situation is right. Nobody who likes it, nobody who supports it. At the same time, virtually every one of those people goes along with the rules when they’re visible. They’ll wait patiently outside a shop until it’s their turn to go inside and then they’ll put their mask on and sanitise their hands, as instructed. They’ll scribble their name and number down in the “track and trace” book. It’s because they don’t want to cause a scene, because it’s easier than arguing about it and because of the risk of a fine.
Now, admittedly I’ve heard some comments out and about on the street “the virus hasn’t gone away, you know” “we have to be careful” that have made me roll my eyes, but and admittedly, I’m very cautious about who I actually have the conversation with, especially at work, but unless I’m just very lucky that every single one of my wider social circle is fundamentally more sane than the average, or unless everyone’s just agreeing with me in the hope that I’ll shut up and go away (c.f. compliant behaviour for an easy life described above) it seems likely that there’s a majority of quiet, reluctant compliance out there.
And put it this way – if there was a majority, or even a significant minority, who really, really believed with certainty that they were in constant danger and the restrictions and mandates were sensible, then someone would say something to me absolutely every time I walked into a shop or got on a train without a mask. But nobody has so far. Not once.
Well yes, as far as it goes, but it’s impossible to know the numbers isn’t it? Because the terrified are still behind their doors catered to by their carers and family members.
I too have not been challenged – yet – and unlike other posters, I linger unnecessarily in supermarket aisles to expose an unmuzzled face to as many sheeple as I can, wearing an exemption badge so giving everybody an opportunity of reading it. Childish I know!
Not childish at all.Life-affirming.
Not childish. Setting an important example of normalcy and educating people.
The thing is, even if people no longer believe what the government is saying, they need to do more than just (partially) not cooperate, because the list of things we cannot do is getting ever longer. At some point it will no longer be enough to just ignore rules, it will be impossible to ignore them. For example when a negative test or vaccine is required to enter shops, work etc. Once the government succeeds in imposing all that, then we have lost..
Ireland has already introduced a type of covipass..saw the film yesterday on how it works..
A lot of people are unsure who is the guardian and who is the prisoner.I am. Like Number 6, Patrick McGoohan, in The Prisoner. Makes it difficult to break the ice to varying degrees. Each person is hesitant to make their declaration known to strangers, or even friends. That’s an East Berlin mentality. That has made it easy for the government to seed a climate of mistrust.
Many will share the frustration of the above commentator, if not his taste in literature. I, for one, found Crime and Punishment in translation completely unreadable. Probably the original is a great deal better…..
Nevertheless I have never doubted that there exists a sector of British society ready to leap to the bidding of a totalitarian government, no matter how radical the instructions given to them.
It is one of the great charms of this site that it throws up so many matters of interest connected, but not intrinsic, to the ‘covid b*ll*cks’ (as christened by that heroine yesterday on twitter).
Worryingly, international law, since the 1998 Rome statute, appears to be less clear cut on the defence of ‘superior orders’ than it used to be.
http://ejil.org/pdfs/10/1/571.pdf
Let us hope that the ‘covid b*ll*cks’ may, in due course, provide a much needed rerouting of ‘the good intentions paving company’ once the U.S. Presidential election is complete.
https://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-good-intentions-paving-company.html
Surely the scandal of the most grotesquely pointless piece of global self harm perpetrated in error by the biggest collection of pathetically witless ninnies as premiers yet seen, will eventually and ultimately prove too tempting, lucrative, even for the contemporary, arguably most egregious ever (against stiff competition) of fourth estates to ignore forever?
I read Crime and Punishment in German, cannot comment on the quality of translation, but found it excellent. When it was on tv in Britain, I got it out of the library. Did not get past chapter 1, as it is terrible in english. Very sad.
Sounds like you tried the Garnett translation. The one by Sidney Monas is better, though hard to find nowadays.
If you read Part One, Chapter 7 you will never forget it.
“perpetrated in error” ?? I think not. Money demands that the people who are indebted to it play their part without question.
It’s for your own good. The usual excuse made to explain their irrational behaviour.
These are also the people happy to mock the idiots at the start of the BGT and X-Factor competition in the same way as watching a “freak show” but it’s fine because mocking them is funny!.
Cecil, the vast majority of people may not be as bright as you, but they aren’t thick. [I class myself as reasonably intelligent, but enjoy an evening diet of Lovejoy, Marple or Midsomer Murders rather than Dostoevsky, to let the daily trauma subside – another man may prefer Bake-Off and BGT].
As a nation I think we tend towards politeness and obedience to the law (attitudes which are proving unhelpful in the current situation). So, most people are going along with the nonsense so as not to offend others.
If we had a leader who espoused a Sceptic viewpoint and was allowed air-time, I have no doubt he would find many followers among those you deride.
Hitler ” Thank God The people are stupid ” Eichmann” It is good to be obedient, it makes for a comfortable life”
So why only 85,000 deaths this winter? We were promised 500,000 so we should be due at least another 450,000 in any reasonable worst case.
Experience suggests that you need to divide by ten or twenty to get the true figure (using Ferguson’s figures). So quite a mild flu season then.
Chances are it will be a mild flu season as all those susceptible to respiratory pathogens will have been caught by corona earlier in the year, and if their health was poor enough, have died already. You cannot die twice.
Don’t give them ideas! They would love people to be able to die twice, would work wonders for their figures.
That’s why they want to ramp up the flu vaccination programme – lots of studies saying the vaccine makes people more susceptible to other coronaviruses. I think the aim may be to create an new group of ‘vulnerable’ to kill…
I only saw one such study which was based on viral interference in children. The idea is that the generic antiviral response to one virus reduces your chances of getting another one at the same time. Since flu and Covid-19 appear to have similar mortality it’s probably not worth actually having flu to protect yourself from C19.
There was another study done on men in the US army (so young and fit) who became much more susceptible to viruses after having the flu vaccine.
I was in the U.S. Army many years ago. We got a lot of shots. Which year was the study that you read about?
I was in lockdown for six months in U.S. Army until I escaped to Canada. The last book I read in the U.S.A. was Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’. A fast read. Read it while waiting for my flight to Victoria, British Columbia.
yes .. i am so pissed off with everything i will happily chip in with a dozen or so.. I am writing my list now .
Wow so only 850 if Ferguson keeps to his record.
That’s about 9 a day for 3 months. Actually a reasonable estimate. I don’t know what the number will be but I think it will be closer to 850 than 85000.
I realise that’s humorous mis-quotation for rhetorical effect, but just in case anyone still doesn’t realise, 500,000 was an estimate for the number of deaths in the hypothetical “unmitigated” or do-nothing scenario. This entire site is dedicated to discussing the implications of the fact that “do-nothing” was more-or-less the opposite of the government’s chosen policy.
It seems, on the basis of experience — I hestitate to say, experiment — in places like Manaus or Guayaquil, that the herd immunity threshold was indeed lower than the 80% estimated in February. So if you want a counter-factual comparator based on current data, it would probably have been more like 200,000 deaths (plus collapse of the health service and its consequences) in the hypothetical do-nothing scenario.
The thing that was most ridiculous was the idea that lockdowns and “interventions” would be the difference between 50,000 and 500,000 deaths. There were only ever two plausible arguments for lockdown: flattening the curve to avoid maxing out ICU capacity, and sneaking up on the herd immunity threshold to avoid overshoot. Those don’t add up to a factor of 10. As it turned out it doesn’t look like lockdown saved any lives at all in the UK (but cost rather a lot).
As I said, in hindsight, a better estimate now is that do-nothing scenario would have been 200,000 deaths and collapse of the health service. Compare the situation in London with, say Manaus or Guayaquil. Are you sure that lockdown had no effect?
I can’t find data for how many deaths there were in those two places. But if we look at the whole of Brazil, total deaths would be 174k to be equivalent to the UK (scaling by population size, ignoring demographics and all other factors). They’re on 120k and levelling off so this seems reasonable. It’s not going to be a factor of 5 or 10 difference.
Log-deaths was already flattening before the UK lockdown had a chance to have any effect, so hospitals would not have been overwhelmed anyway. If we’d literally done nothing it might have been worse– but we weren’t doing nothing. We were being careful, washing hands, etc. before the lockdown, in fact right at the peak which was the best time to be doing it.
Oh, and see another comment of mine for what a Reasonable Worst Case means in government planning parlance. It isn’t a prediction. When considering house insurance, the RWC might be that your house will burn down with someone inside. That doesn’t mean you’re predicting that it will. It’s an aid to help you plan for it not to happen and cope in the unlikely event that it does.
Surely they’ve already bumped off the most vulnerable?
There has been so much garbage thrown at us that it is nigh impossible to remember it all. How many people remember Ferguson’s prediction now?
Very short field report.
Clacton-On-Sea Pier. Yesterday.
There is a large indoor section with amusements, restaurants and a new refurbished play area. In the indoor section, masks are mandated, but it is not made clear about the large outdoor section further out to sea.
The entrance is “manned” with tracers collecting personal info and asking if you have masks.
What did surprise me is three things.
1) Large numbers wearing masks in the queue to get in. However, once entering the first section of the pier, the indoor bit, there is mass NON-compliance. No exaggerating, but I would say 1 in 20 wore masks indoors. Maybe less!
2) Staff outdoors wore masks, but those indoors appeared not to. Strange!
3) Ride cleaning between rides appeared non existent.
But point 1 above I found most interesting. So I am giving full marks to the scepticism in Clacton !!
All signs of resistance are welcome.
And the very best antidote to Covid Fascism is FUN.
It was like this a few weeks ago. I live up the coast a bit and with the exception of supermarkets and a few shops, compliance is pretty low. I wouldn’t say everyone is sceptical, but a large majority came out of the bunkers a few months ago and realised the air was okay to breathe.
Grayling and Willbourn describe what others have already termed pot commitment or the sunk-cost fallacy.
Obviously, ze 1940s Germans are the posterchild for that, at least up until climate change and Corona.
This is the main reason now why they, the politicians, ‘experts’ and ‘journalists’, are doubling down so viciously, rather than engaging with the antithetical arguments to establish or improve a synthesis, and it is also the reason why the brainwashed public will continue to follow them into the abyss.
The public CAN now only change its convictions and behaviour AFTER the catastrophe has happened.
That catastrophe will be their own unemployment/ruin, that of the state, probably brought about by a hyperinflation, and, above all, the occurrence of vaccination related damages and deaths, in particular if other countries, like Sweden or Brazil, won’t see either or much less.
The West has committed collective suicide.
It has been suicided.
So the prediction (another vague model) is that we will have a bad flu season worth of deaths but we don’t treat it like a bad flu season? Because the last bad flu season we didn’t do all this idiocy but that’s because it was different?
The only positive is that we have ample evidence now about the calibre of our politicians
Posted this link to the full video of the rally in Trafalgar Square late last night and maybe too late to get much notice so here it is again for anyone interested –
https://www.standupx.info/
Scroll down the page to Events and the video is immediately below the listing for the event.
“A Government drive to encourage millions of people working at home to go back to the office has been put on ice over concerns of a spike in coronavirus cases, the Telegraph can disclose.
Amid signs of confusion at the heart of Cabinet, ministers are understood to have rowed back on plans to launch a major campaign to urge office workers to return to their desks and start commuting again.
They fear any mass return could send infections soaring, and threaten the planned return of thousands of children to school over the next few weeks.”
Shocker.
Yes, but no but..
about the level of coherence we have leant to expect from this Government.
Talk about mixed messages, this Gov flip flop for one hour to the next!
Remember Flip Flop Dave? Bozo and Camoron were both from the same Eton stable.
Flip flops. PM Johnson and his cabinet all prancing about wearing flip flops would make for a humourous cartoon. Silly flip flop walks.
We’re not taking any vazzes. Sod them.
Toby, you should have been heading up this protest, not David “I fear the lizards” Icke. And 5G conspiracy theories. Ye Gods. If the objective of this protest was to give the MMS material to ridicule the whole event, you couldn’t have contrived better than this.I’ll attend no protest that any anti-vaxers are within five miles of. Sorry.
I agree to an extent, I think we just need to stick with the message that lockdowns and social distancing etc are a pointless and harmful reaction to what is a fairly small threat. Simple and undeniable.
But I don’t really like terms like ‘anti vaxxer’ and ‘insert-issue-here denier’. I mean, I’m not against vaccines at all, both myself and my children have had various vaccines. But I would not take a rushed COVID-19 vaccine, especially given the low risk of the illness to me as a healthy 28 year old. Does that make me an anti vaxer? In this polarised society, in the eyes of many, it would…
I think I saw a poll last week, sorry, no idea where, which said that half the UK population would not willingly take a rushed covid-19 vaccine. I would hope that a good proportion understand theat the media use of “anti-vaxxers” really means anti a new, inadequately tested, covid-19 vaccination.
In a post on Twitter, it seems Simon Dolan has heard that they will combine the CV and flu vaccines, ie whatever they want to lace the CV vaccine with, will be put in the flu vaccine, in order to ‘catch’ people who will refuse a Covid vaccine.
What happens in Sweden about vaccinations, Carrie?
Not too sure..I know the swine flu one was offered to everyone (no compulsion) and I think it had just over 60% take-up..
Tegnell has been talking recently about them having to be sure a CV19 vaccine is safe before they offer it here, but that may be because of the swine flu debacle..
Except it doesn’t. The anti vaxxers are big in the US, where the history and practice of vaccination is different, and the financial incentives for over medication are huge.
In my experience so called ‘anti-vaxxers’ are the critical thinkers, the people who have seen vaccine damage first hand and those who have done a lot more research on the topic than the vaccine pushing doctors who make money from them.
The terms anti vaxxer and ‘insert-issue-here denier’ are well known tactics used for many years now by newspapers, social media companies, government, pharmaceutical companies, etc to smear/label people that goes against the carefully structured narrative what they want us to do.
If you have your own lockdown protest with just lockdown sceptic type of people you will also be labelled as some type of denier. Therefore good people that have the brain capacity to challenge things, get used to these tactics and do your best to protest, get your message out and fight for our rights and liberties
PS:
*Before adding your weight smearing anti-vaxxers and other deniers, rather start doing research on these topics. You might be surprised by what you find.
*Lots of people with auto-immune diseases are hurt by some of these unnecessary interventions/exposures
Yep. Vaccines are not one size fits all. There is plenty of diversity in the biology of human beings. Some people are allergic to peanuts or gluten, for example. The fact that they don’t want to test them very stringently makes it all the more dangerous for those of us who might have a bad reaction to the contents of those rushed vaccines.
I wouldn’t be concerned about what the mass media think of the protests as it is always going to be negative or will simply be ignored.
Sure, there will always be a cause or speaker you take issue with but with the collective existential threat we face it is vastly more important we put aside our differences and take every opportunity to promote and practice peaceful civil disobedience if we are to have any hope of winning this battle.
Agreed,unless your protest fits the approved narrative you will be smeared anyway.Remember the media are our enemy too.They have been complicit in this from the start.
The great thing is that we now know a lot of people will vote for a new political party that will fight for our rights and liberties
Yep! With you there. The phrase ‘common cause’ comes to mind.
Yep. I remember anti-war demonstrators.
On the subject of 5G, I found Robert Kennedy’s views interesting (see yesterday’s post where he spoke with other doctors) – he spoke about what the technology enables the elites to *do*, in terms of controlling people, rather than any dangers in the actual technology..
I nominate Dominic Frisby.
I find it very frustrating that the voices of sanity against lockdown as a strategy, and facemasks as a placebo for those incapable of using a handkerchief, are being drowned out by anti vaxxers and other nutters such as Piers Corbyn and David Icke. This is playing into the hands of the lockdown obsessives and this page, along with Peter Hitchens’s columns, seem to be the only places in which sanity prevails.
One doesn’t need to be a conspiracy theorist, however, to see that Boris Johnson is desperate to be The Man Who Saved The World with the Oxford vaccine. It appeals to his Churchill complex and, he believes, will rescue his reputation and electoral credibility, despite all his other cock ups. As it becomes more and more obvious that the epidemic is over in Britain, the vaccine will become less important here, and any positive effects for Boris will become less likely. There is definitely a motive for the government to keep the fear going.
I agree with you. The trouble is, though, those of us who do not look at the current situation as evidence of a conspiracy are in a “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” situation. We simply don’t have the numbers to make an impact without those who do see it that way, including those who subscribe to the more… er… outlandish theories. In addition, the fiercer conspiracy theorists are always going to be among the loudest voices – both because they shout louder and because the media will give them more airtime, precisely because they can be used to discredit the core argument.
I agree with what’s been said elsewhere here today – we should focus on undoing the restrictions we live under and the mass insanity -caused but government and media messaging – running through society first and those who are so minded can unpick any sinister interests later. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s likely.
Yeah, you are right, again. Similar to the Brexit situation, where I made my decision based upon observed issues like the anti-democratic EU, and homogenisation of culture. However Brexit only won because of the greater number of morons terrified by Eastern Europeans.
And the 50,000 press attacks on Corbyn as an anti Semite.
Couldn’t agree more.
They will not concede anything to rational argument if it will cause them to change the message. The message, from early on, when we knew only a little about the virus, was vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. It is even more stridently vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. It is a vaccine for a non-existent virus, so what is it for?????
More wasted money that could be spent on more urgent matters.
Great, in this case could you please arrange the next protest
We must fight them on the
beachesmedia comments where we are not always chatting with sceptics.If you look around, there are lots of blogs and podcasts that profess skepticism about the lockdown and all its shenanigans. We might not be as small minority as you think.
I met with a group of healthcare investors last week who think the Oxford/AZ vaccine is a non starter. We didn’t get into the reasons why, but it seemed a consensual view. And the market is more right than wrong on these things.
it’s certainly delayed anyway as AZ CEO had told them as much.
BBC R2 8am News.
UK’s largest University and College lecturers union announces that students returning this term will be “unsafe”, they should continue studying at home or risk spreading the virus.
To support this the BBC shared with us the views of ‘Trish’, about to start her 3rd year at Notaproper University.
Trish tells that she has Concerns about the stress of returning and has Worries about social distancing in shared houses.
I’m sure Trish is a lovely girl with rightly proud parents but her contribution to this News item was zilch, BBC please note.
from the BBC point of view Trish’s contribution is vital. She is the evidence for the validity of the suggestion since , as the BBC has featured her . every student in the country must be just like her and so it is unanimous.
Normal BBC journalism. You want a vox pop that everyone should wear a mask. Feature a person wearing a mask saying yes (and ignore the 10 people who just walked passed not wearing a mask
It is a pity Trish is such a snowflake. I am sure she can do her media studies at home
My daughter is itching to get back to uni. She has no concerns whatsoever
Trish can stay at home until she feels ‘safe’ then
Absolutely, she can catch up on lectures online and join seminars via zoom.
Why would she bother to go in person, no “shag a fresher week”, no Summer, Ball, No Soc Dinners, no sports, endless lectures about Covid safety that they have all heard before and everyone falling over themselves to report each other for social distancing infractions.
Bunking off in cahoots with the staff who will get away with recording a few hours of lectures before going to the pub. Said lecture to be reuploaded next year should the nonsense continue, what’s not to like ?
Is Trish related to that charming posh girl who appeared in the media during the election saying she wanted to be a doctor and at the same time expressed a desire to kill people who voted for Boris/the Tories/Brexit??
(Mind you, with the benefit of hindsight re at least Boris and the Tories…hmmm However it was the killing part I was wanting to emphasise here, the cognitive dissonance..)
I’m afraid I don’t know Carrie but she must be a busy girl because in later bulletins she was replaced by the delightfully erudite Felix. I can’t remember what he said but it was all much the same.
interesting MoS article about Pendle and testing
Basically, mass free testing of people who are not ill showing positive results (shock horror!!)
Bombshell Evidence that COVID RNA Base Pairs are Identical to Chromosome 8 Human DNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y1KzCKrZ3A
Hmm. For this to be an issue you would also need the reverse primer sequence to be on the same chromosome, close enough to give a product that would be detected as the intended product. And if that were the case, you would have close to 100% positive results.
So we can move on to the next issue.
I don’t know what the best way to separate out accurate and cutting skepticism from misinformation like this. Every single piece of misinformation damages the skeptical cause. The fake news coming out of the skeptical lobby, every “right wing”-looking person turning up to a demo, is being weaponised against us. We really need much more care on how this is handled.
No one politician, msm , seem to want to talk about the elephant in the room , while is this coming winter ,mass job losses , poverty , hyper inflation , and loss of public services.
This fiasco has to be paid for ,and its us plebs who will have to do it.
Dont worry bojo ,cockup gove etc will be ok they have plenty of money and dont give a sod about us.
The rich and powerful are those least affected by the bullshit rules and the economic disaster
The things they like to do are economically sustainable, because they can afford to pay for space and privacy
Nightclubs and crowded pubs closed – Cabjnet don’t go dancing or for pints on a Saturday night or in the cheaper seats at the football
Former No 10 adviser Sir Robbie Gibb launches a TV rival to ‘woke wet BBC’The 24-hour news station, due to launch early next year, aims to capitalise on growing discontent over the BBC, with sources describing it as an antidote to the ‘woke, wet’ Corporation.
Hallelujah !!!!!
That is good news. I don’t know if anyone has heard of brandnewtube. com they look to be a contender for YouTube.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8676817/Has-Pendle-named-Englands-No-1-Covid-hotspot-theyre-mass-testing-street.html
“since early August, Pendle and Preston councils have been urging residents ‘who do not feel in any way unwell, to get a Covid-19 test -just to be sure’
The writer goes on to say, “ Indeed not one of the dozen or so Nelson residents who were tested while I was there were unwell. No-one ever had been, or knew someone who’d had Covid-19”
Does this mean that the folk in Pendle and Preston, in their rush to get tested, are responsible for their own demise?
Then there’s some more good stuff in the article from Carl Heneghan.
MArgaret… just beat you to it…… below ,,, but worth saying twice
The point is don’t be tested, don’t go anywhere near the NHS.
Yes, how stupid!! If you want a lockdown, go and get a test
Pendle … famous for witchcraft.
Should go well with Covid voodoo.
The BBC article Toby refers to says: “Business leaders are reportedly furious about this report and the suggestion that there might have to be a second lockdown to prevent these deaths.”
They are so furious that they’re staying completely silent about this!
Daniel Hannon is excellent in the Telegraph today.
I posted this a couple of days ago, but did not realise the new page was up.
Interesting article in the local rag.
Mum’s face mask fury as Cotswold Outdoor in Newcastle asks her to prove daughter is deaf
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cotswold-outdoor-newcastle-face-mask-18839228
‘The mum of a disabled girl who relies on lip reading says she was turned away from a Newcastle store for not wearing a mask.
The mum and daughter shopping trip ended in anger as she claims staff at the Cotswold Outdoor shop in Northumberland Street asked for proof that her child was deaf.
Full-time mum Julie Muller and her eight-year-old daughter Sadie-Grace Muller had gone to the camping shop on August 6 ahead of a trip to the Lake District.
However, Julie, 41, was stopped from entering as she was not wearing a mask.
She explained that she was exempt because her daughter is deaf and needs to lip read to communicate.”
‘Julie claims that the manager said that due to company policy, they could come in, but she would not be served without a mask, and so Julie decided not to stay.’
If this claim is upheld the manager and the company may have some tough questions to answer in light of the Disability Discrimination Act.
There has been some interesting discussion in the comments (follow the link), which contributors to these pages may want to add to.
People need to start seeing under the disability discrimination act – a few such cases and businesses will think twice about enforcing masks..
Yes one or two legal claims might do the trick
And staff should be trained in it chapter and verse. Together with GDPR.
That should put the fear of God in them.
As I pointed out yesterday, the important thing for a lip reader is that OTHER PEOPLE should not be masked.
This idiocy is turning some people into mini Gestapo.
https://twitter.com/PunkKia/status/1295661471653797888/photo/1
This is an official letter responding to FOI questions about the 22 C-19 deaths in NZQ1 Out of 22 C-19 deaths 17 tested pos for C-19
Q2 Of the 5 deceased 4 were tested negative and 1 was never tested. They were all defined as probable cases. For context two of the four cases tested negative before becoming a confirmed case and were not tested again after being reported as a probable case. One of the four was only tested once,27 days after the onset of symptoms. The fourth tested negative twice before the onset of symptoms and then tested negative again after four days after the onset of symptoms
Q3 Of the 17 cases who tested pos for C-19 8 had underlying conditions7 were between 60-79 5 were 80-89 5 were 90 and above.
Clear as mud
And St Jacinda is doing her best, but perhaps not black death?
All that’s missing with the school “mask” thing is a teacher having and pressing the “big red button”.
Just a thought, with this nonsense about facemasks in schools is there any possibility of pupils claiming exemption and wearing an exemption cards as the rest of us are able to do ?
I rather suspect that if there were one or two exemptions in a school the idea would grow quite rapidly.
You would have thought so, but the word ‘exempt’ is one that seems to be missing from the guidance given out by schools.
Another thing that struck me was use of the words ‘corridors and communal areas’ by different schools. It’s almost as though they are copying a script they’ve been given.
This is ALL scripted!
The whole Covid response has been scripted.I heard an American official use exactly the same words as Johnson when discussing face masks.
Agree. I challenged the mask exempt rule. It was clear they did not study the guidelines and just make it up according to what they read in the papers or the guidance they receive from education authorities. Was told by the head of the school that he will decide whether the reason for claiming to be exempt is good enough!
Somehow make exemption badges fashionable to kids (do they still like collecting badges?). That might work?
Great idea
Steve, I believe that children can claim exemption to the face mask rule in schools. They don’t need a medical note to prove this all they need is confirmation from parents that their child is exempt. My husband informed me of this from the Us For Them Facebook group.
Just wonder if anyone knows of any rebellious bolshie teenagers we could encourage to try this out? Doctors have been advised by the BMA not to get involved with facemasks and so it has to be self assessment as per the Government web site. I use the exemption card from the Government web-site it is bright bold and very clear. I have noticed that it is younger people who are more likely to not wear a mask on trains, you sometimes see a whole group of non masked teenagers. Whilst I accept that one youngster being the sole exemption might be tricky for them, if they did this is a group it might start a trend.
My son has decided for himself that he won’t wear a mask if it’s brought in in his school and will claim exemption. His friend doesn’t wear one also. I think there will be a lot of secondary school kids who won’t wear them.
Good for them, please let them know we are right behind them.
And the rest of the class will be encouraged to victimise them. Children love to victimise somebody who’s in any way different.
Yeah, an exemption card is just what a kid needs, just think of the bullying and beatings they will get for wearing one.
Depends if you get the school trendsetter to go exempt, or the prop forward from the rugby team goes exempt, it might start a movement.
Would that be the former prop from the disbanded rugby team that existed before all extra-curricular activities and team sports were recognised as a threat to life?
“Might start a movement”,
Alice’s Restaurant anybody?
From what I remember of school it will be the girls and sissy boys getting picked on for wearing by mask snatcher gangs.
I guess that they will have to fight for their rights.
From reading comments here to what I see in the street, young people seem to be happy to comply. Standing out form the crowd is difficult as a teenager, apparently.
Strange, as I remember it as a time where we were experimenting with different identities: Punk, rocker, pop princess and prince, goth etc.
But I guess the English system that everyone wears the same school uniform discourages this already. …..Now I know why the British are so happy to conform, they learn it from age 4!
Not the teenagers I see out and about, they don’t wear them except when out with their mums and I expect they would be, rightly, mocked if they did.
You can be exempt but what ‘14 year old’ child wants to be the only exempt one?? I won’t wear a mask but the rest of my family prefer an easy conflict-free existence despite (or maybe Because of) the relentless lecturing from me.
0.0006% of the UK population have died with Covid. Most of them over the age of life expectancy. The odds of getting cancer are 1 in 2. Yet government prioritises Covid over cancer, mental health, physical fitness, education and jobs. How everyone in the country is not protesting is beyond comprehension. I hope someone more influential than me is reading this.
Actually, you have added a couple of decimal places (assuming one is dealing with government figures); you give the fraction, which needs to be multiplied by 100 (giving 0.06%) to get the percentage. Easy – and very common – mistake; your comments are however clearly correct!
Oh sh*t! Sorry.
It is the same percentage in Quebec but the government keeps ramping up the pressure and taxpayer funded propaganda posters.
From the comment section of the telegraph ; so not infringing copyright , . I suspect 87 year old Aimee wins sceptic of the week award.
Aimee McLaughlin
29 Aug 2020 2:03PM
Very early on it was clear that this virus was killing the oldest in the population. This age group should have been given the option of hiding themselves away or not, the rest allowed to get on with their lives. This said by an 87 year old who has had all her friends and outside interests which kept her physically and mentally fit, taken away. We have been left with nothing to look forward to and more than likely a solitary Christmas. Sorry, but if this is to be the pattern of the last portion of my life I would rather leave the Planet. ( Not depressed, just a realist.)
Jason Jukes
Aimee, there is currently very few cases outside of hot spots. My very vulnerable parents have started to venture out. In Hertfordshire there is currently 0.05 % of people with this virus. Please don’t spend the rest of your lifetime in fear
Aimee McLaughlin
@Jason Jukes Jason, the one thing this battle axe does not have about this situation is fear. Anger, more like. All my outside interests were cancelled but at least my Pilates class has started again and I can build up my strength. Believe me, if there was still anything else going on outside my four walls, I would be there. (know of any raves?)
Hurray for Aimee. We need more like her and definitely more anger.
MSM finally catching up?:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8676817/Has-Pendle-named-Englands-No-1-Covid-hotspot-theyre-mass-testing-street.html?login
Comments are interesting, very, very few pro-narrative ones. Heartening.
My comment was posted:
“MSM finally catching onto the con trick pulled by Government? Took long enough. All data says no outbreaks on-going – positive tests wishing false positive range, positive percentage staying constant, no increasing hospitalisations, no deaths are all a bit of a give away.”
You might have thought the experience of Leicester would make it clear enough.
Now the BBC are reporting that universities returning will cause a tsunami of Covid. A person suggests universities could become the care home crisis of the winter! FFS.
No reporting from the BBC of the demonstrations yesterday as I can see.
But I have noticed they keep asking Carl Heneghan for quotes, not sure they don’t misquote him some times, but if they are going to him perhaps we have some hope. Carl and Toby can get us out of this mess
The danger is that normal winter infection in places like university will become part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Quite ordinary events will be Acts of Virus (the modern equivalent of God’s intervention) as the religion sustains itself. Again, irrelevant RNA fragments will be the manifest evidence of the Virus descending to earth.
Seek and ye shall Find.
Oh yes, the good old Freshers Flu, if they do go that’ll be relabelled
Sounds like they are in cahoots with universities in the USA – that post yesterday about the horrors being inflicted on students over there was scary…
Wife just said to me if she had known there was a demo yesterday she wanted to go.
Now she tells me after weeks of telling me to shut up about covid, telling em to stop shouting at the TV news, government stupidity, the sheeple and not wanting to go out as she cannot face the idiots anymore she wants to become a demonstrator.
Will have to see how the timing and location works on the next one and see if she still feels the same.
I wish they weren’t always held in London!
Unfortunately, it’s the easiest for most people to get to, especially if they want to travel by public transport. It’s not the centre of the country, but it’s kind of the centre of rail links.
There are good, fast road links going towards London from where I live, but just single lane A-roads going anywhere else.
Unfortunately – that is true.
I often think that the geographical eccentricity of London reflects its detachment from the country of which it is the capital city.
Local “big” town demonstrations, taking place at the same time as those in London, and with plenty of leaflets would enable those that can’t travel far to help nudge the narrative in the right direction.
Some excellent items today, summing up key aspects of this horrific social nightmare that has been imposed so easily on a fear-stricken public. I particularly identified with the philosopher’s comments :
“I dread to think of all the things an authoritarian regime could get the Great British public to do, while barely lifting a finger … resulting in something that often looks more like the behaviour of a religious cult than an informed response to a viral pandemic.”
We do seem to have been transported back in time to eras where behaviour driven by religious irrationality dominated – with masks as religious relics denoting moral virtue, and ordinances of self-denial being flashed as virtue in the placatory service of an omnipresent VirusDevil.
Certainly, any notion of human advance to an Age of Reason has been well and truly blown out of the water.
I have been engaged in updating an earlier analysis, putting the last year’s mortality into the context of the last quarter of a century, now that we have sufficient data to show that the viral spike of April has truly gone. The updated data shows that nothing has changed – the official narrative has been wrong at every turn,and it has been the contrarians that have provided the accurate analysis of actuality and probabilities derived from such.Each month has brought further confirmation of that broad perspective.
2019-20 has decisively not been a year of unprecedented mortality – there have been seven worse since 1993/94, and as further information emerges about inaccurate data about deaths, tests and ‘cases’ and forecasts of the mythical ‘second wave’ – it is clear that Covid-19 as an agent in that mortality has been a much exaggerated factor.
The politically-induced damage , on the other hand, continues to emerge as a major event.
The UFO-cult parallel is all too relevant : you believe, and then you see. Whatever.
… and that brings me to a final point, occasioned by the observation of Trafalgar Square :
“ … 5G conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers are at the forefront of the pushback…”
As child abuse is adopted as policy, we cannot afford this diversion of focus and attention into alternative religious (or political) beliefs – the prime issue is one of wide consensus, and is far too important for such playtime games beloved of the political fringes (see ‘The Life of Brian’).
“We do seem to have been transported back in time to eras where behaviour driven by religious irrationality dominated”
Oh, do we indeed.
Religious people are no more irrational than anyone else. There’s clearly a lot of Dawkins’ disciples on here, spouting their bigoted dogma.
It’s worth pointing out that the most prominent lockdown critic in the media – Toby perhaps excepted – Peter Hitchens, is a Church of England Protestant.
A Christian.
And I say that as a lapsed (but still sympathetic) Catholic.
‘When people stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing,they believe in everything’
Nothing like a quick quotation to disguise a load of bollocks.
Really,our civilisation was based on that bollox for 1500 years.Your communist utopia lasted about 70.
I think that you have missed the point. Big time. I wasn’t getting into debate about religion in any general philosophical sense : just about religious rituals and their frequent irrationality – and the evil done in their name.
Of which there is plenty of evidence – not least in the Catholic church.
“Whataboutery’ is no argument.
Do you think our wonderful secular society is behaving rationally now?
The quote is valid because we have ceased to be a Christian nation and now all sorts of nonsense is filling the void.
But India, a nation of many religions, also bought into the lockdown hysteria.
They were told to, just like us.
I don’t have to agree with everyone on here;we are from all walks of life and hold different beliefs.
We have a common enemy who in less than 6 months has dismantled our way of life.That is my focus and if we ever get our freedoms back I would gladly debate with you all,but we shouldn’t be side tracked.
Absolutely correct. Countries were told by WHO what to do (WHO even stipulated how the press should be handled and that by law the narrative cant be challenged). Then the IMF and World Bank offered loans to Countries to have these lockdowns, 2 great examples: Belarus turned down the money from the World Bank to lockdown 2) South Africa accepted the IMF loan with gusto. Locked down hard even banned the sale of alcohol and cigarettes. It is amazing what having power can do to government officials.
Sweden has not followed these instructions though… I do have my theories why, however…
World Bank = Protection racket. Mafia of a different kind. Part of the problem, not the solution.
Religions aren’t what they used to be. Since Newton and Darwin nobody believes religions literally any more whatever they might claim. Of course there might still actually be a God but nobody really expects her to be bothered about details like how not to catch colds the way they used to.
Whataboutery absolutely is an argument if it is in context:
For example, what about the flu? It kills the same (and more) than Covid and we don’t lockdown
I think any future demo should avoid Mr. Icke and 5g ranters . I like much of Ickey but his presence sends out the wrong message
Sending a message is what the whole thing is about. If Mr Icke is getting cheered, it shows that the average person really has had enough of this crap.
In my opinion Mr Icke made an excellent speech. It is a shame he carries so much baggage.
I believe the 5G stuff was brought up by someone else. However, the capability to beam-form with the new kit means that a lot of power can be concentrated on an individual or wild animal, deliberately or by accident is a possible danger. The real concern is their use in surveillance of everyone in the vicinity of the equipment.
Agreed. He spoke eruditely and forcefully solely on the topic of the freedom that is being stolen from us.
Believe me, David Icke has a loooot of of followers/fans and less and less people are not put off by the ‘conspiracy nutter’ baggage anymore.
Just like Trump, Icke by-passed the mainstream media for a long time and gained a huge following because he was given the space to expand on his theories (whether you agree with them in totality or not is another thing).
Please can we have some clarity about what a “reasonable worst case” is, in terms of planning. As the Government Chief Scientific Adviser said to the Commons Elect Committee on Science and Technology (my emphasis)
If we look at, say the risk of fire to your home, the RWC might be that your house and all its contents would be completely destroyed by fire and that a visiting couple staying in your house might be killed or injured. You would probably think it sensible and proportionate to cover that risk by house insurance. That does not mean that you expect your house to catch fire: indeed, the chances of that reasonable worst case scenario happening in a year are about 1 in 100,000. Would you expect to see headlines saying “Toby Young admits his house could kill his visitors?”
Morning, am now back from my weekend sojourn to… Trafalgar Square, London. Took an unusual route, as is my wont. Travelled to Petersfield by car, then took the train up to Waterloo. By far the cheapest option and only a short walk to Trafalgar Sq. Took great delight being maskless on the train.
Plenty of folk were there early. I attended, wandered round town a bit, attended again. Only the police and the press were masked. I noticed, among all the other flags, one that appeared to be the Hungarian flag, but now wonder if it wasn’t the British Republican flag (they are identical for those who don’t know).
An ambulance sent screeching round, siren blaring. Presumably to try and disrupt the speakers, but if not on a genuine call out, they are breaking the law using their sirens.
Police were trying to move people on from about 1-30pm and apparently had “confiscated” a big screen. When David Icke came on, I decided I had seen enough and returned to Petersfield.
Given this was allegedly a “unity demo” to bring the different strands of scepticism together, it was very heavily slanted towards the anti-vaxx campaign and the 5G theorists. If the aim is to win converts, these events really need to concentrate on the core campaign: to end the lockdown.
On the bright side, there were a LOT of people there, I wouldn’t like to comment how many, not sure I know how to count crowds!
Before I left, one very pertinent question was asked from the podium, and is why I’m wondering if the flag I mention above is the Hungarian or British Republican: Where is the Queen?
That’s my input from Saturday’s demo. I’m not usually the sort who attends events such as this one. And I’ll probably continue being the sort who doesn’t attend them…
Isn’t the Queen at Balmoral just now? However I believe she knows things we don’t, seeing as I’ve read that Buckingham Palace staff are being made redundant – that would lead me to believe she has no plans to return there in the near future…
It was on the news last week – she will be returning to Windsor when she finally comes back from Balmoral in October, no plans to return to Buckingham Palace again.
My son was there the other day, it’s all locked up, looks deserted and the seals are being taken off the gates he reported.
The question is why?
No idea.
My friend in Australia has been asking about it as well recently.
I’ve found out the Queen personally owns Balmoral and Windsor Castle but there is some doubt over the ownership Buckingham palace. Something to do with wills of George the 3rd and 4th never being settled properly after their deaths.
Will have to look into it a bit more as being operated by the Crown Estates complicates matters a bit.
Will be interested in anything you can find out! What I read was that staff had been made redundant, rather than just furloughed, and that is suspicious. Makes me wonder what Boris has said to her..
Twice recently she has not worn the full Royal regalia for the state opening of Parliament..
That means she’s not there as a reigning monarch.
No regalia she’s just a “normal” person.
That’s what got my Australian friend asking.
Yes, that thought had occurred to me too…
The Queen owns Balmoral personally but not Windsor Castle or Buckingham Palace.
Because London will be next for local lockdown if they get away with it in Brum.
The question is why?
She was not wearing the crown at the new session of parliament and the royal crest has been removed from the gates of Buckingham palace.
I was there too.I was at the back so didn’t notice the police moving people on. Agree most of the speakers were not up to the job – not just in terms of Unity as the chosen agenda. Apart from Dolores Cahill and Piers Corbyn they lacked any kind of skill in public speaking. I had gone to sit on a bench at the edge when David Icke did his thing so didn’t hear him so can’t say.
I thought Dolores and Piers Corbyn were pretty inclusive. And I loved the hug a stranger moment.
Overall, I think just to be present and protesting in the physical world – being visible and willing to take the mild risk of being labelled a tin foil hatter( as someone on here wrote yesterday) is a kind of resistance. For sure, to me, its much more rebellious than sitting typing comments into this echo chamber – as some might call it.
My son says the place to post comments (he says ‘fight’) is on media sites such as Daily Mail, Daily Express, Facebook &c where you clash with coviditstas and might influence undecided readers. But there you mustn’t waste too much time arguing with the SS (seventy-seventh brigade) who just use gov’t talking points.
I note Hancock is burbling on about a second national lockdown. If he does, I recommend we just ignore it. We should have ignored the last one, but we have a lot more information now.
This twaddle just reinforces the view that we have a rogue government. We may have to remove it by alternative methods. Just sayin’.
How can we remove them Nick?
I don’t think Toby would appreciate my saying here. First option is to petition the Queen.
Well – that’s always worked well, hasn’t it?
I know, but you have to exhaust all ordinary avenues before you can justify moving onto the extraordinary ones.
Queen has been effectively usurped so no go there.
Her website also says she does not answer political questions etc so no go there – I looked.
I know tradition since Queen Victoria’s time has been for the monarch to have a back seat and do what the PM says but tradition be damne, this is exactly the time we need someone to take over from the incompetents running us into the ground and she is nowhere to be seen except some strange broadcast ending “for those who come after us”, which was parroted in a WHO advert being broadcast at the same time, which can be taken a few different ways depending on how the phrase is stressed so no go there.
But what do you expect from someone who gave away her right to be our monarch when she signed the European Communities Act in 1972?
And Prince Charles being ‘for’ the Global Reset, and Zara and Mike Tindall’s links to the covipass…
Reminds me, I’ll have to try and find the prophecies I was reading a while ago that said this Charles would be England’s last King and this Pope would be the last Pope.
Interesting reading even if it is a fantasy, prophecy or true.
Kept me amused and out of mischief for an hour once anyway.
The queen is too old now for a constitutional crisis and Prince Charles is fully on board with the great reset.Dont expect any help from that direction.I think the house of Windsor has served its time.
Always thought Queen Anne had a ring to it. Aren’t horsey people natural sceptics, wonder what she thinks?
You mean the same-Coburg and Gotha house that cunningly changed it’s name to Windsor in 1917 to be more patriotic due to anti-German sentiment during the 1st world war?
Saxe, not same.
Bloody predictive text.
Yep the one and the same
But you have to exhaust the normal channels before moving onto the others.
I could suggest a National Strike but would we notice any difference?
Agree. Ignoring it will hopefully encourage others to do the same and we hope he would stop short of sending in the riot police to supermarkets and homes across the country. We hope! Also let’s start asking Matt Hancock targeted questions. If the information the govnt published put hospitalisations and deaths front and centre (not just cases) that would give the data a different look. Also re: recent New York Times article it would be really helpful to know what the ‘cycle threshold’ is for UK PCR tests ie if the cycle threshold is above 35 then very likely to be detecting dead virus fragments or such a low level of virus the patient is not infectious. Threshold cycles should be set at 30-35. If no virus is detected at that threshold the test is negative.
I would think the priority is to start lobbying MPs regarding how they intend to vote when the coronavirus legislation has to be re-voted on (i the next week or so I believe)..
Send data on why an extension is unjustified…
I am gonna write to my Fu*(-Tard MP for what it’s worth…An exercise in futility. She is one useless brainwashed twassock. That’s being kind.
Do you live in West Suffolk? Because that description fits my MP. And guess what, she is Minister for Public Health!
Although my MP does not reply to letters from this constituent, I’m posting the following letter to his office today:
Dear xxxxxx,
Please vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act 2020.
The Act which enables the Government to make Covid-19-related regulations comes up for review next month.
That regulatory capability has been exercised unwisely and unjustly.
The regulations have badly damaged our economy, our democracy and our society.
They have had no discernible effect upon the Covid-19 outbreak.
That outbreak was over by mid-June, and everything since then has been theatre.
Please vote against any renewal of the legislation or any extension to its duration.
Yours sincerely,
Allan Gay.
Good letter, if anybody here can do a good one that I could use bits out of or get a good idea what to put in my letter that would be appreciated.
AG might be the person for that job! Or Alethea maybe..
Thanks, Two-Six.
Feel free to use any part of the letter, or indeed all of it.
The same goes for all here.
Good letter, I’ll adapt it and send to my (useless) MP.
I fully intend to do the opposite to everything the government recommends.
I’ve been doing that since the start of this whole rotten business.
Initially I was willing to believe that the lockdown, which was supposed to be a temporary measure to save the hospitals from being overloaded was a wise move, but upon further exploration of the Internet I soon discovered we were being sold the biggest deceit since Climategate! Now I have nothing but disgust for the government, NHS, WHO,
Do you think businesses would close down again if ordered to do so? I hope not. I am still hoping some will speak out.
Here in North West, I can report that I can see no evidence of people taking any notice whatsoever of the local lockdown rules. People are still meeting in each other’s homes, still meeting up with other households in pubs etc., young people on the streets together, children in parks, multi households going shopping. It’s impossible to police.
So far 5 areas have been removed from the restrictions – Rossendale, Wigan, Trafford, Stockport and Bolton. Positive tests have dropped in these areas. Does it mean people are not going for tests?
I hope they’re boycotting tests! I would hope businesses would also refuse, but given councils could just shut them on a whim, that remains to be seen. But I’m not going into a lockdown again. Prison perhaps, on principle, but not a lockdown.
On the subject of that recruitment advert for actors to simulate the spreading of COVIDS.
This is just the worst thing ever. It’s like that super spreader graphic of the guy in the train leaving his COVIDS on the train seat and from his foot-prints, or like the the worst image used in the brainwashing campaign: That CGI image of the ugly bloke sneezing and a spray of green luminous COVID particle and “Droplets” spraying from his ugly face. This image was a full page on almost every newspaper in the land.
Easily one of the most egregious mind-bending images of the whole Corona Project campaign of fear.
It’s just SICK.
Yes they are sick, sick in the head if they think they carry on like this.
Anyone in the required bracket should apply, audition but say what you want to say and completely waste their time and money.
That ad need spreading more widely, so more people can see how we are being played..
It really does….a total psy-op in the making…..
Are the corporate media gearing up for a change in the coronavirus narrative? Sky News, which has spent months pushing the hysterical fear-mongering, has begun to change the tone, and content, of its coverage. This morning, for example, it reported that in the last 24 hour period 12 people had died with the coronavirus (note: with, not of). A Sky News anchor also accused the University and College Union of using inflammatory language, exaggerating the threat and wanting a policy that would cause more harm than the virus.
I saw one of the sky presenters is back in the studio after months presenting from his C19 hiding place behind his couch – in sink with the governments ‘get back to the office’ message – and promoting the governments other message, ”The second wave is coming – PANIC!!)
According to Bozo the 2nd coronavirus wave was due 2 weeks ago
. Well we’re still waiting 
Haven’t you been paying attention? We’re in the middle of it. There are case all over the place!
I thought it was last march
I don’t suppose anybody knows when the flu virus was ‘born’ but it has probably been around for millennia. For the sake of convenience let us assume that it was ‘born’ around the same time as JC then. In that case, what we had last winter, was not the first wave, but the two thousand and twentieth wave, and what we will have this winter is not the second wave, but the two thousand and twenty-first wave. Basically what this tells us is the fairly self-evident fact that waves of flu viruses, of whatever variety, are worsened by the progress of the earth around the sun.
Now, ask your masked fanatic friends if their muzzles are really able to stop the progress of the earth around the sun. If they believe that is possible, then also ask them if they think that doing so would be a good idea.
Its ancestry has likely been in bat caves, till now. Bats are reservoirs of many highly lethal zoonotic agents. “Understanding their diversity, behaviour, and mechanisms of virus transmission may play a key role in preventing future outbreaks of both known and unknown zoonotic diseases of bat origin.”
Cue a bat extermination programme perhaps, funded by the usual suspect?
I believed in the zoonotic bat, pangolin thing, now the lab and Chinese World domination… I think, well today anyway!
Bats seem to be the main sources for human coronaviruses but the influenza viruses come from birds (and other things).
No doubt some of these viruses do indeed date from the time of JC.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffhp&q=birds+dinosaurs+evolution&ia=web
Did the birds inherit the influenza viruses from the dinosaurs?
The narrative has been changing all the time, to counter its sequence of fictions being exposed.
That it has a lot of RNA in common with bat viruses can’t be denied. It came from bats in some shape or form but we don’t know whether or not that was via a lab.
It’s starting to become a little more riotous in Melbourne:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678567/Melbournes-anti-lockdown-protesters-clash-police-COVID-19-restrictions.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_health
It seems that the DM is happy to identify these seemingly belligerent antipodean folks as anti-lockdown protesters, but portrayed all the peaceful European demonstrators as far-right, 5g conspiracists or anti-vaxers. Strange.
No it’s not strange at all, our MSM is cut from the same cloth as the BBC! You can include the Universities and State Education systems too. If ever we needed a Revolution now would be a good time.
Agreed. My intended irony obviously didn’t come through.
How did the DM portray the BLM folks?
The high numbers in intensive care could be the result of the denial of HCQ treatment in early stages of the infection. Same here, much of US, Canada. HCQ treatment would show that a vaccine is not necessary and you know who would not double his money.
Feed Dan to the crocodiles. Chomp! Chomp!
I’ve just watched the newsnight report – erm…
The experts (the chair of medical colleges and a local public health person) said that ‘cases’ in the young population are much greater now than they were in March/April. But then they were only testing people rocking up to hospital with symptoms, who were generally older.
Now they are testing healthy people who are out and about and, if testing positive, are mainly asymptomatic ‘cases’ – the unwell are probably home in bed.
So if healthy young people were not being tested in March then it is not possible to say there are more ‘cases’ now.
To me, thinking logically (I think), had they tested in March as they are testing now, there would have been far greater asymptomatic ‘cases’ in the young in March as the virus marched through the population.
It is worrying that the ‘experts’ may believe the virus chose to swap between infecting the old to infecting the young sometime in early summer and may chose to swap back to infecting the old come the autumn and winter.
Maybe infection rates throughout the population were completely unknown in spring and are actually very low now because of increased population immunity.
Are these public health ‘experts’, and their logic, making plans to do more harm than good again?
That sounds dangerously like reason – again the Covid religion declares that the inaccurate PCR test is a ‘Sign’ from the virus.
… which it is far from being. It’s detection of a bit of artificially amplified RNA.
I was trying not to complicate my simple point
How could anyone, no matter how expert, think a virus (which isn’t even alive, let alone sentient) exercise choice?
that’s why its worrying that ‘experts’ may believe….
(I don’t know what they believe but was commenting having watched the interview)
Sheffield local health chap – ”there’s been a shift in epidemiology – there’s been a definitive fall in the mean age of ‘cases’ – early in the pandemic mean age mid/high 60’s, now late 30’s to early 40’s… cases will rise in the autumn and if stay in younger population less worrisome, if they start to get back into the older population….”
I don’t think he was a magician, but I do believe he believed in what he was saying
They killed off the vulnerable when they ‘panicked’ at the start of the lockdown.
A magician tricks people because he knows about the trick and they don’t. The sleight of hand, bait and switch and showmanship etc are just technical details.
All the governments that are enforcing this narrative know the trick. Some are doing a better day to day job technically but they all have the Magic Circle to keep them on track.
I don’t think these particular ‘experts’ were trying to mislead anybody – they come across as believing in their stuff – but I believe they were less right than wrong – the less geri mangling by ‘public health’ types do the better in my view
protect the vulnerable – let everyone else get on – have available hospital facilities for any that get seriously ill…
simples…
I do love the idea of ‘Geri mangling’ and on a Sunday too!
Sorry MP, having a bad day…..
LOL – felt right at the time
They are obeying orders.
Hi Toby and Everyone ,I would like to say thanks to Toby for giving us this space .From reading many of the comments on here this site seems to have been a lifeline for many people over the last few months .It cant be said enough how important it is to find like minded people when you feel alone, because whenever and wherever people fight for their freedom they can only be effective by joining together in collective action. So lets get on to the topics of today .I watched the videos of the London anti lockdown protest last night and first of all was really pleased at the turnout . from watching and not being there i would estimate about 10 000 but does it really matter on the exact numbers ? what we can say is beyond doubt its a massive leap from all previous ones . I can see the problem many people have with attending these demos when they are totally against the lockdown but dont agree with the speakers views on (lets just say the various conspiracy angles ). I have wrote on here before of the hope that we can get Toby and people like hitchens and say gupta ,heneghan and Lee to speak on these protests but until that happens we have what we have and so i would say support the protests on principle even if we cannot agree with all the ideas . I have decided personally that if there is another national demo i will go even though i live faraway in the west .I believe the tide is turning for our side and as more people realise they are not alone the general public will join us .I hear a lot of people on this site assuming the public is thick and stupid and thats something i totally disagree with ,Its just the same argument we has heard from the liberals at the guardian and the bbc over the last few years concerning the brexit vote .So trust the people once the facts are out there we will have the numbers to force the goverment to our way of thinking or they know they will simple be forced out. So lets press ahead and grow the movement and forward to future normal.
I went on this rally. It cost me a considerable amount in train fares and time but I felt it was worth it. I don’t agree with many of the speakers agendas but just to be together with other people behaving in a normal, sociable way, unhindered by masks and physical distancing felt uplifting and encouraging. I would recommend such events as a tonic to the spirit.
Hi Gina Well done for going .Ive been on many demo’s before so no excuse really .I guess i wanted to see how the numbers stack up ,the other demo’s seemed very sparse with only a few hundred attending .Glad you enjoyed it ,its always great that feeling of unity .
How to ruin your life courtesy of the ‘Guardian’ and the BBC.
Two of my neighbours, both retired teachers in their seventies and financially secure via index linked pensions, have a lifetime of Guardian readership and BBC sourced news. They are now totally unrecognisable as the people they were six months ago. They have a large family comprising siblings, children and grandchildren and up to March were never away from visiting someone or other all over the country. Family were always staying with them and very rarely were they without visitors. All this stopped in March and since then they have rarely left their house, have no visitors and are completely isolated in their home. They take their exercise by walking around their garden, sometimes alone, sometimes together and walk up and down our road but maintain a distance of not two meters but more like five or six meters and prefer not to have any interaction with neighbours at all.
They have lived in their present home for over thirty years, have been blissfully happy and ‘Fred’ always said to me that the only way he would leave this house would be in his ‘wooden box’. Surprise then that I should see a ‘for sale’ board outside his home a week ago. I have since learnt that the reason they have decided to move is that they want to be beside their daughter and grand children in Surrey as they cannot bear the isolation any longer. One has to ask of course, why they have subjected themselves to this living nightmare when all they have to go on are the words of an incompetent Prime minister backed up by his lacky media. Anyone not brainwashed to the extent that they have been, would have just carried on as normal but in their case the Guardian and the BBC have rendered that impossible.
I have been told that whilst the house is on the market they are restricting viewings to Fridays and Saturdays so that they can ‘deep clean’ the place on the Sunday. They are so concerned at the prospect of infection that they cannot countenance viewing on any other days because the efforts involved in sanitising the place, after every visit, would be too great. I haven’t been informed, so it is just speculation on my part, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they will insist on face coverings for potential viewers.
They haven’t seen any of their devoted family for five months. They are selling their much loved home in order to move which will surely break their hearts. They are restricting viewings through fear of infection and Lord knows how they will fare at the other end if and when they come to house hunt in Surrey. The proceeds of selling a lovely detached home with garden and gorgeous views in West Yorkshire will, I’m told, barely get a small semi in that county.
We already know that the Covid scare and lock down has created more deaths and ill health than any virus —real or not—has produced. On top of this, how many thousands of people will be taking life changing and irreversible decisions based on nothing other than fear and trepidation—decisions that they will come to regret when the dust settles on this whole sordid business.
In 1933 when Franklin Roosevelt became President of America, at the height of the great depression, his inaugural speech contained the words: “All we have to fear is fear itself”. Never were truer words spoken and they are just as applicable now as they were then. The only difference today is that nowhere on earth have we a leader of the calibre of Roosevelt to echo these self same sentiments.
A vivid illustration of the Fear infection. But in your blame list :
“How to ruin your life courtesy of the ‘Guardian’ and the BBC….”
You missed out some other key players, and principally the originating Tory government.
SAGE’s behavioural experts advised the government to increase people’s sense of fear. What do we call a deliberate campaign designed to terrorise a population?
Criminal.
Terrorism
I’m leftwing and The Guardian and BBC are my main publications though I get covid news from The Telegraph and The Spectator now. I thought that The Guardian would come around after the Sage minutes were released but to no avail. The release of the minutes caused a mild scandal but they’ve been forgotten about and hardly touched on now.
That new committee that they started after the SAGE minutes were released, in order to avoid having to release further minutes to the public – can we get the minutes from that new committee using a FOI?
I would very politely suggest that you are left-wing *because* you get most of your news from the Guardian and BBC (and once upon a time, so did i). It’s somewhat self-reinforcing, but in glad to see that you’re also reading the Telegraph and Spectator.
I used to read and comment on the Speccie website until they closed the back door to their comments forum.
That is so sad.
Personally, I cannot understand how intelligent people can be so brainwashed so easily.
And this can be given as another example if anyone asks, how did Hitler and his men manage to get away with it.
Two of Goebbel’s quotes:
*If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
*A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth,
Where did Goebbels say these things?
He thinks (and wants) people controlled by technocracy and AI..
I’ve read and watched too much sci-first to ever consent to that.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Not only is there no evidence that Goebbels said these things, they are incompatible with his view of how to make effective propaganda.
What amazes me at the moment is how few people seem to actually do this, despite all the resources of the internet. You tell them things that are obvious to us and they look amazed. They just watch/listen to BBC and read the MSM. MW
I like to say, as you sometimes hear shop workers say to older people: “do you have access to the internet?”
Yes even smart people my age (ie internet savvy) who work as flipping research analysts! WHY ARE THEY WATCHING THE BBC AT ALL?!
See this: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/30/patrick-wood-technocracy.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20200830Z1&mid=DM641317&rid=952601710
Killing some of their opposition helped
Such a very very sad story. And repeated all over the country. We have a family friend who will be 80 in October, he has 3 daughters and grandchildren, friends and neighbours but he has refused to see anyone since March. He has had no one in his home in all that time. Is daughters shop and leave his food in his garden, which he then cleans wearing gloves.
I have two elderly aunts in their 80s, both are doing their little bits of food shopping wearing masks to stop them from spreading coronavirus to other people in the supermarket. Both have been nearly no where since March, they don’t have anything to spread.
It is criminal and bordering on abusive what this government have done to people. I know others of the same age have rejected the fear messages so it is something to do with these people’s mentality also but the constant fear agenda has lead to this.
I think this sums up where we are: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/30/patrick-wood-technocracy.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2ReadMore&cid=20200830Z1&mid=DM641317&rid=952601710
especially given Dominic Cummings love of technology and AI..
Interesting that Michael Gove mentioned Roosevelt in a speech not that long ago, when you read the above link..
Last week I drove up a long farm track in the middle of field high up on a hill to a big house with a little very very rich man in it by accident. I was looking for somewhere to stick my van for a few nights and looking for the camp site.
I took the wrong turn and shouldn’t of been there really. Anyway an honest mistake. I was greeted by the little rich man who rushed out his house and stood scowling at me and shaking his head. I got out my van and started to walk towards him.
DON’T GET ANY CLOSER!
Said the man…….
FFS I was at least 6 meters away.
Totally Mental doesn’t describe his behaviour properly.
Oh yer, the next thing he said was “WHERE ARE YOU FROM?”
If I wasn’t so upset I wish I had said “I’m from Birmingham mate” in my best Brummie accent, “we are just getting away for a bit cos all our neighbours are dying”
in theory I appreciate that one should be sympathetic to the vast numbers of people who have decided to isolate themselves in their homes, not keep themselves informed of the relevant facts relating to the actual restrictions in place or the course that the virus is actually taking, but I’m afraid this lack of curiosity, fearfulness and quite frankly lack of gumption, is what is keeping the rest of us subject to appalling restrictions on our way of life, denying children a decent educational experience, and leaving thousands to be denied much needed medical attention. As a consequence any sympathy I may have had has been exhausted.
my octogenarian mother stuck it out at home for about 5 weeks before concluding that life was too short and that she would rather take her chances with the virus than go slowly insane in isolation.
Looking at the way the government and some MSM are portraying the demonstrators as anti-vaxers and nutters (very much like Leave voters were portrayed as beyond the pale). I think there’s going to be some (maybe considerable) push back from Matt Hancock er al before the government begins to pivot towards our more common sense view of the virus. New York Times article – Your Corona Virus Test is Positive. Maybe it Shouldn’t Be – is fascinating on PCR tests that may be picking up dead virus fragments or such low levels of virus that people would not be infectious. It’s all about how many times the sample of genetic matter from the virus has to be amplified before it can be detected. Each amplification is a cycle. Some PCR tests in America have a cycle threshold of 40 which means if virus is not detected until the 40th amplification it still counts as a positive test, even though virus so small it had to be amplified this much is probably a dead fragment, or a viral load so tiny patient is not infectious. Cycle threshold should be 30-35 to give a meaningful result. Worth finding out what the cycle threshold of UK PCR tests is? Is anybody in a position to find this out (maybe involved with testing process or knows somebody they could ask)?
If I go I’d be anti 5G/wifi/3G, EMFs in general, anti-fluoride, anti all the “extras” in vaccines – squalene, mercury, aborted foetal cells, “mandatory” in all but name even for normal jabs for kids – it’s pretty frightening what is in vaccines nowadays so I’d definitely be tarred with the “nutter” tag.
So be it.
same here, I don’t want that poisonous slurry injected into my kids! or anyone for that matter.
“the way the government and some MSM are portraying the demonstrators as anti-vaxers and nutters “
A couple of observers here have noted their dismay at the diversion of the demonstration by side-issues – it’s not just down to the media and the government.
Another Union leader doing their bit to get things back to normal https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678379/Universities-ground-zero-coronavirus-second-wave-unions-warn.html (only joking)
Someone just sent me a link to Denise Welch on Dan Wotton talk radio from 5 days ago .Check it out if not seen ,our views are becoming much more mainstream .
It’s a good interview and she focuses on the mental health consequences of the lockdown and social distancing.
Yes but according the Fake Churchill Boris we’re fighting an invisible enemy this time, is cunning he can measure 2 metres.
I’m asked for my name and number in most bars I frequent. Given that writing Mickey Mouse is taking the piss I’m thinking of going for an approach of giving my name as Alexander Johnson. If I can encourage others to use this approach maybe this can a subtle form of resistance. Just need an appropriate phone number. Wapping police station? Battersea Dogs home?
Mickey Mouse what be a better Prime Minister
a family member suggested a big meet up at Disneyworld-I said I’ll be wearing a Donald Duck mask
Not the Dog’s home, they are having a hard time at present. How about the number of the last scammer who called to tell you that your computer was infected by a virus? That would be an interesting conversation to overhear…
yes,that’s a more constructive suggestion
Matt haycock’s constituency office is a good one:
1 Park Farm Cottage, Park Farm Business Centre, Fornham Park, Fornham St Genevieve, Bury St Edmunds, IP28 6TS
020 219 7186
good idea-but given that I have handed out my number to many,many bars since the beginning of July I have yet to receive a call asking me to self isolate
Yes but if a bar does have to close , the Covid Police will be trying to lock you down for a fortnight. If they have Handjobs number, you are free.
A high-risk strategy, that! MW
Never give any details and certainly not your real details.
Neither, the latter is trying to do a decent job. I recommend one of those numbers you’ve blocked on your phone, from the lady who tells you they’re going to take £39.95 from your nonexistent Amazon Prime account.
I give the first name that comes into my head other than mine then my mobile number following the adapted “Morecambe Principle”.
“Mr Preview, I am playing all the right notes………not necessarily in the right order.”
I have large numbers of relatives in Northern Italy, living one of the worst affected parts, Piacenza. None of my family died or got ill. I phoned my aunt in March just after PM Giuseppe Conte had put her under house arrest for the crime of being over seventy.
Despite the impression given by the media a large proportion of Italians were about to die, I had already read a report that the deaths from Covid 19 in Itlay were no higher than for the flu a couple of years earlier.
I March in the UK I saw ONE women with a persistent cough in Tesco. Apart from that not one person with any symptom. I know of nobody who has died in the UK. I know one person who tested positive, but had no symptoms.
For this we have destroyed the economy.
Would you mind linking that report? This article from The Telegraph back in March confirmed my scepticism back then. How do the Italians feel about the whole thing?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
F the CCP for pressuring Italy to lockdown.
I haven’t seen the report either, of course, but I’m willing to take that bet, at least if we can agree on what a “static computer model” actually is. I would expect whatever model or models were used to have a numerical inputs or parameters that allow the facts about the real world to be fed in, and changed, if desires, for each run of the model. Indeed, I would expect that the modellers would have tested the robustness of their model by trying a range of values for each input to see how sensitive the outputs were to small changes in the inout data. I would be astonished if such parameters as IFR, R0 and so forth were hardwired into the model as unbreakable assumption.
To give an example, I wrote a simple SIR model to test the famous 510,000 estimate from Report 9 for the “unmitigated” scenario. The unbreakable assumption of that model was that using the SIR model at the population level was a reasonably good approximation to the underlying real-world epidemic process and so would give a reasonable estimate that was good enough for planning purposes. There were just five explicit numerical parameters were R0, IFR, pre-existing immunity levels, and periods of infection and recovery. I found that the model was reasonably robust to small changes in those parameters. Using different values for those parameters within the ranges considered by SAGE in February gave results broadly consistent with Ferguson’s estimate, as one might hope. In particular
We now have some data about real-world experience with the “unmitigated” scenario from Guayaquil, for example. It turns out that herd immunity there is about 33% rather than the model prediction of 80%. That is a serious discrepancy and needs to be examined. One possibility is that the numerical input for pre-existing immunity should have been much higher, at around 50% — initial consensus for this was that pre-existing immunity to a novel virus would be low — and if you use figure then you get outputs that correspond to the real-world “experiment”. Another possibility is that the model was too simple, and that the real-world process behaved sufficiently differently in different groups of people that an overall average was not a good approximation. I have to say I don’t know which of those is more likely, not being an epidemiologist.
But my question for Mr Young is, does he regard a model like the one I’ve described as “static”, when it’s capable of being run many times on different inputs, and those inputs can be used both to reflect updated scientific data and to suggest and test hypotheses about the real-world? If he does, then the bet’s off, of course, because my guess is that the models used in the leaked report are similar in nature, though probably far more complicated, than the one I’ve described, which I would not call “static” at all.
This is the new review made by the Oxford CEBM group about PCR testing
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.04.20167932v2.full.pdf
“The purpose of viral testing is to assess the relation of the micro-organism and hazard to humans, i.e. its clinical impact on the individual providing the sample for primary care and the risk of transmission to others for public health. PCR on its own is unable to provide such answers. When interpreting the results of PCR it is important to take into consideration the clinical picture, the cycle threshold value and the number of days from symptom onset to test . Several of our included studies assessed the relationship of these variables and there appears to be a time window during which shedding is at its highest with low cycle threshold and higher possibility of culturing a live virus”
“Results that are consistent with Bullard et al who found no growth in samples with a cycle threshold greater than 24 or when symptom onset was greater than 8 days. Thus, blanket detection of viral RNA cannot be used to infer infectiousness.”
Heneghan Jefferson review above very similar to the previous meta analysis below published earlier
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2.full.pdf
Yes – the study is fascinating.
Heneghan and Jefferson have always been very correct in their presentation of findings – unlike the limelight-seekers spreading gloom and doom.
However, the following tells a real tale :
“The quality of the studies was moderate with lack of standardised reporting and lack of testing of PCR against viral culture or infectivity in animals limiting our current ability to quantify the relationship between the variables and ultimately the usefulness of PCR use for assessing infectiousness of patients. Infectivity appears to decline after about a week of viral shedding around 41 the cycle threshold value of 24.”
In practical terms, this means that currently use of PCR testing is absolutely useless as a guide to the incidence of infection or illness.
As a lifelong fan of Depeche Mode, this track needs to be the LS theme tune of the day.
“Where’s the revolution”
You’ve been kept down
You’ve been pushed ’round
You’ve been lied to
You’ve been fed truths
Who’s making your decisions?
You or your religion
Your government, your countries
You patriotic junkies
Where’s the revolution
Come on, people
You’re letting me down
Where’s the revolution
Come on, people
You’re letting me down
You’ve been pissed on
For too long
Your rights abused
Your views refused
They manipulate and threaten
With terror as a weapon
Scare you till you’re stupefied
Wear you down until you’re on their side
Where’s the revolution
Come on, people
You’re letting me down
Where’s the revolution
Come on, people
You’re letting me down
The train is coming
The train is coming
The train is coming
The train is coming
So get on board
Get on board
Get on board
Get on board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCR05oKROA
https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1299951966236422144
“The Italian PM says “there will be no new lockdown under any circumstances”. The Italian politicians attitude is forced by citizens that have made clear that if new lockdown there will be the revolution, and the opposition pressure”
Brilliant. If the Brexit Party took a similar position it might get some traction.
We need Nigel. The Labour Party have completely failed the country.
A failing labour party is normal – its the conservative government that is such a disappointment
Yes indeed
NO political party currently represented in Westminster, Holyrood or Cardiff has lifted a finger against the Coronavirus Act. The best we had from the “opposition” was mutters of “sooner, harder” regarding lockdowns.
The lot need replacing.
A lot of them need garrotting.
Exactly. Unless that situation changes my intention at the next election is to spoil my paper by putting a big black cross through the entire list of candidates.
Nigel has been a complete bed wetter and taken the Tory & Labour position on Covid throughout the whole thing.
Controlled opposition.Trying to get people worked up over a few hundred illegal immigrants in Kent when 700,000 immigrants came last year.
The Italian political system is always fragile. Try as they may to silence him – the latest being the threat of a prison sentence for refusing to allow the immigrant ships to dock in Italian ports when he was deputy PM, Mr Salvini has a strong and loyal following, especially among the young. If only we had something similar here!
“In terms of whether you believe that the virus is a hoax or not, whatever is happening now is less than or equal to a normal flu, so the lockdowns and all that goes with them is unjustifiable in any terms,” he said.
“We are calling for MPs to refuse renewal of the Covid Act [Coronavirus Act], and if they do not, we will campaign to have them removed from office.” Piers Corbyn
Factually : Total all-cause mortality (of which Covid-19 is only a part contributor) in the 38 weeks ending 24th July ranked only eighth for the last 27 years. i.e. – about a third of infection seasons produced higher mortality in that period. (Population corrected)
The combined mortality for this and the previous season remained at average levels – the weighting in 2019-20 being partly a result of the survival of a higher than expected proportion of the elderly population during the low mortality of 2018-19.
Conclusion : Society massively disrupted (allegedly) for a virus with pretty ordinary effects.
Average age of coronavirus related deaths (even taking obviously inflated figures at face value) is over eighty. Life expectancy is under eighty. The virus has had zero effect on mortality.
As I’ve noted before – it’s not ‘zero’ : but it isn’t anything to particularly remark in the great scheme of things.
If you accept that the average age of coronavirus deaths is over eighty and that life expectancy is under eighty, the inescapable conclusion is that the virus has had zero effect on mortality.
Strictly speaking, people who are now 80 have a life expectancy of 89 give or take so it may be having an effect but obviously not the effect the general public have been led to believe.
People who are 80 and fit. The official narrative always leaves those two words out.
I have noticed Carl Heneghan seems to be the person being called on by the media, including to comment on the BBC and with a long article in The Guardian. There are other links to other newspapers below. He is everywhere at the moment. He is challenging much of the fear, the testing, the errors in the counting of deaths and admissions. He and his team are quietly and carefully putting out evidence without blame or political views.
Could this be some kind of turning point? I suppose I want to hope it is as some days I despair this will never end as others have also described here and the suicides increase described is very depressing. What do others think?
Or the media has eventually discovered that ”the science” does not exist and science has many differing arguments and is always an ongoing adventure of discovery
the media always wants to be on the winning side
They are “going on a journey” surely?
and clearly going the long way
Not necessarily a turning point just yet. I would like to see more hospital doctors and nurses sticking their heads above the parapet. Professor Heneghan is following a deliberate strategy of incrementally calling the government/NHS out for the fake statistics, using the available data. What is so shocking now is the hospitals stats – 764 patients in hospital, 60 of whom are in ventilator beds. Daily hospital admissions at 109 means either they are only in for 24 hours then released or were reassigned (they went to hospital as a precaution, or were deemed to have something else). The key for the turning point is more likely when the schools go back and when the economy faces complete meltdown in October. Finally, people might come to their senses.
I do hope so because it is hard to keep hopeful
It is hard, Wendy but we have each other at LS and I do believe that more people are gradually seeing things through our eyes. I struggle too at times, but try to think of this as a long game. There is unlikely to be a sudden change as we would all want, but every bit of progress is valuable in my opinion.
On the past record – I think not.
It’s part of trying to stay on the rational side of ‘totally absurd’ … so some contrary information is admitted to disguise the overall slant. A study of The Groan is very useful in seeing this technique employed. It actually doesn’t touch the core message.
OK. I’m cynical, and could be proved wrong (I hope so) – but I think the history is on my side. After all, the visitor from Mars – detached but watching the debate – would note that government has been consistently wrong at every significant point, and the wider scientific community of contrarians have been largely right – bur nothing much has changed.
Just thinking about Tony Hall’s arrogance over the role of the BBC, this gem of a poem by Tom Leonard came to mind (Glaswegian accent for those not familiar):
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six a clock
news thi
man said n
thi reason
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to tok it. this
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Now : BELT UP YOO SCRUFF!
Isn’t he now trying to get around all the cancellations by proposing that the license fee be included in Council Tax so that it cannot be opted out of?
Hall knows and fears that the days of the BBC are numbered. It is only a matter of time before the television tax is abolished and the BBC are no longer provided with public funding.
Don’t worry, Mr Gates will bung more in the kitty.
Gates will likely also bung a load of money to all other TV services in order to continue the brainwashing. Did you all see that they are going to change the law to allow themselves to advertised the CV19 vaccines, including those that are unlicensed?
Is that so Carrie? A law charge for advertising medical intervention?
And folk are still quibbling it is all just incompetence.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#vaccine-promotion
Yep – follow Jeff Taylor on youtube. He quotes at length: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_7RfDmlmc
If so, it will be under the guise of ‘advice’ and ‘public health’ and ‘care’. After all we have been for many years used to seeing ads for e.g. pain relief, sanitary products and now Viagra. Health care has to be the largest global industry.
November is what I hear through the grapevine.
Source?
That’s what happens in France. But if you don’t have a television at all, as I don’t, then you don’t have to pay it.
No one was refusing to pay in Sweden because of propaganda (at least not that I read), but they added the TV licence to the general taxes anyway a couple of years ago. I think they did it because people were not paying, on the basis of only watching stuff on their laptops, and the authorities wanted to avoid people using this loophole. Kind of comes down to the same thing as in the UK in the end though..
My son recited this in his English class as school a few years back in his best Scottish accent
Plan B Zoom webinar tomorrow. 7:30 p.m. NZST. Their recording will be put onto their youtube page after.
https://www.facebook.com/covidplanb
Reminder to check out their excellent interviews.
https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/videos/
Meanwhile, a protest in Berlin was broken up by police at 9am, according to MSN News.
Oh it was was it?
A quick look confirms that MSN is using AP’s report. ‘9am’ isn’t actually mentioned anywhere in it. We watched intermittently on the Ruptly livestream throughout the day as the massive crowd gathered at and near the Brandenburg Gate. They were still strolling away in their thousands long after dark. It was immense, flags were many and varied, the atmosphere was obviously relaxed, sunset through the Gate was obviously a favourite for the cameras, the notion that the rally was ‘broken up’ is a simple demonstrable lie.
We cannot trust mainstream media: how often must we be reminded? It is, sadly, very lazy of TY to unthinkingly propagate lies like this.
AG
I too watched it occasionally yesterday. So good to see thousands of people unmasked and, yes those flags everywhere – had fun identifying the different countries represented. But didn’t see one EU flag!
Did you spot Schleswig-Holstein? I forgot about the masks – about 1 in 2000 or so we thought. And clearly no attempts by anyone to avoid social proximity.
Yes, interesting point about EU flag – we saw none too.
Schleswig-Holstein? ah give me a break – I had to use my flag spotters guide a couple of times.
Good spot! No EU flag. My own two eyes did not see one either!
Ruply live broadcast of events in Berl8n streamed for 11+ hours, nearer 12 hours but I don’t know precise length of time. When ruptly stopped there were thousands still on the streets peacefully milling and wending their ways home.
Epic day. Not one to be remembered by the censorship of it but by the turnout of peaceful protest. An example to the world. …and the world is catching on. Human spirit is lifting all around the globe.
Tide is flooding our way, the first hour is always the slowest.
Right! I work on a tidal island and I know.
When the tide really swirls in, those who don’t get out of our way will be swept away, hurrah.
You know they are starting to panic, and losing the plot, when they resort to threats:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678585/NHS-worker-investigation-claimed-coronavirus-load-b-ks.html
Her colleagues need to dig deep, especially the more senior ones, and tell it how it is.
I thought her video was great and wrote to her via her Facebook page to tell her so. I thought she was courageous and she appreciated the support.
https://www.facebook.com/louisehampton83/
When I clicked on the link I got “page not available.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/09/former-nhs-carers-intensify-strike-over-pay
Little chance of that, her employer, (Don’t) Care UK has form. She will be let go.
I think Toby with his Freedom of Speech union hat on should make contact and advise her
By speaking out Louise has done more than any MP to fight for our rights and liberties.
Not that that was difficult! They’re now redundant anyway as their job roles aren’t needed in rule-by-decree Britain.
Live Streams from Berlin being taken down by YT watch before they have gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ot14VgFg9s
Gone from the looks of it…
I guess facebook will be erasing Berlin history too.
Brandnewtube.com was set up to avoid this.
How does brandnewtube.com work?
Who is behind it though and do they take down stuff they don’t approve of?
Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEXFI8GyPM
Absolutely incredible… Got a YouTube warning the content might be offensive or something !!! Video of a peaceful protest somehow comes with a health warning. What is going on is so sinister and disgusting, I can not believe how many people are asleep to this
I sent them a message to moan that they should’ve removed those NHS warnings two months ago. It won’t make any difference, but it felt mildly cathartic.
Kennedy Live??
Still available.
Police clearing protesters in Berlin
Masks as sources of infection.
Analogy explanation for why infection rates increase with mask wearing:
” The larger droplets are caught in the mesh of the mask – they are mainly water filled with 100’s of thousands of tiny virus particles (if you’re infected). To scale – imagine a football hitting the back of the net and sticking there. Now imagine the football as a water droplet filled with tiny plastic balls about 1000 times smaller than the holes in the net – the net holes are roughly 10 cm so say 10 microns or about 1/10 of a human hair across. Now put a large fan on the goal line and set it to blow through the water football i.e. simulate breathing through the mask. You will get a plume of water droplets roughly 10 times the size of the plastic balls they contain (or 100 times smaller than the holes in the net) sent through the net into the stands. Your mask is now acting as a reservoir for the virus to be spread more widely. To go back to the football analogy – it would be better to have no net and allow the football to settle and slowly evaporate at the base of the advertising hoardings.
The only way this will help is if the mask is removed immediately after a cough or sneeze, disposed of (ideally contaminated waste burn bin), face and hands thoroughly cleaned and new mask fitted. Every cough or sneeze”
As we know the smaller droplets are more infectious as they stay in suspension in the air for longer & are inhaled more deeply into the lungs.
Which explains why Japan with millions of people compulsively wearing masks against seasonal flu, has a higger rate of seasonal flu infection than US or Europe.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/
I’ve made the same argument to other people purely as a thought experiment. But my real view is that this is all just mechanistic speculation, it’s a possibility but not proven. I certainly don’t think we have evidence that this is the cause for a certain pattern in Japan.
Possibly, I’ve yet to see a better one that obeys the laws of physics though.
The planets largest live experiment in mask wearing to prevent viral transfer has been running for over a decade and involves millions of people.
It hasn’t been a resounding success to put it mildly.
How many decades do we run an experiment for before concluding that we’re barking up the wrong tree?
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/
Are you saying that Japan got worse in those ten years? i.e. was it better in the decade previous? I wasn’t under the impression they were wearing them for viruses, maybe a few are but I thought it was about pollution.
The initial reason was for pollution, the reason now is that it is considered good manners to wear one if suffering from cold/ flu.
For assessment of efficacy the reasons don’t actually matter though.
1) If they cut viral transmission rates that should be evident in the infection figures.
2) No idea of Japan was worse over a decade ago, again it doesn’t matter.
As they have been wearing masks obsessively, there should be a noticeable reduction in infections compared with ROW, if they work as the boosters promise.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/mask-appeal
0https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-9566.2012.01466.x
That ‘And Finally’ picture today is just priceless! I love it.
Good job it has a caption though or I might have thought it was Boris addressing the people of Britain about the ‘second wave’
That’s what I call herd immunity.
An apology to New Mills: I posted yesterday about our visit to New Mills and the hairdresser. I got two responses, one from Edward who says I’ve put him off going there. This was not my intention. Unfortunately, there is a ‘woke’ constituency in New Mills, possibly because it’s picturesque and (was) in commuting distance of Manchester for meeja types but there are a few rebels around.
It still has many good qualities and you can tune-out the zombies. The Torrs and the reverse Archimedes screw are fascinating. There are great views of Kinder Scout from the main street and a good proportion of cafes and shops are open. You might even find us at Gioa Mia (‘not sure whether you’d consider that a bonus
) The Sett Valley Trail is pretty and there are good walks all around New Mills.
I also got a reply from PjB asking about the hairdresser. I hope you understand that I can’t possibly give any details. There seem to be very few snitches in this area but I would hate to get any business in trouble for nothing. I hear on the grapevine that there are a few barbers and hairdressers in the High Peak who are ‘following the guidelines’ but also being sensible and realistic i.e. not treating their clients like lepers when there’s no need. Shop around – you’ll know it when you find it and good luck! MW
Thanks Miriam. It was a bit of a throwaway comment by me and I’m sure I’ll be visiting New Mills again sometime. Incidentally there is a letter (about the name Freya) in today’s Sunday Telegraph by Derek Brumhead, who wrote the book I mentioned about walks in the New Mills area.
Not sure if this has been posted yet.
Fairly obvious to most sane people I would have thought.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1329220/coronavirus-superbug-warning-hand-gels-health-danger-andrew-kemp-covid-19
I’ve been saying that to our gunk-smearing zombies for weeks.
I’m not an expert on superbugs, but yes, I can see the blindingly obvious.
Well there you are, I’ve been wondering where the snippets of life in the front line of the hospitality industry had gone. Maybe you’d been incarcerated on the naughty step by your local govt.
Oh good I’m delighted you’re busy. That receipt thing is everywhere, I’m often passed one with a bit of hesitation, I take it and the other hand is rapidly withdrawn.
Have you been able to compare your footfall with other cafes which obey all the rules?
I share your anger. The number of little stories such as yours about the indignities and trashing of normal life for so many people is rising, and with no end in sight….
Good luck with the leaflets. As other posters have said, local discussions and meetings and protests could help spread the message better than the demos in larger cities.
I was out shopping this afternoon and here in Uppsala, Starbucks has closed down… It had only been here about 4 years. I can’t say I am sad about it – Swedish coffee shops are much nicer anyway
Think Starbucks might be having a PR problem – after signalling how virtuous they are with their BLM slogans, yet being caught red handed of using slave labour in central & south America…
PS.The comments are overwhelmingly sceptical.
Report: Flew BA yesterday to Lisbon. Only one in Terminal 5 without mask. Only one onboard without mask. Male attendant asked about a mask, and I said exempt. He said I should have a Lanyard. I replied that there are many things I should do. No more harassment. Gentleman sitting beside us with mask and gloves. A woman next row with mask and visor!! On the way out I was stopped by a young woman in uniform. I said I had a medical condition and she said Police will fine you anyway and handed me a mask. I surrendered but took it off in the cab. Driver did not care. Hotel lobby masks mandatory, but staff did not care. Outside ca. 5% masks. Feels ok. Went into a minimarket to buy water, the Sikh who ran the store had no mask and did not care.
what are the rules re masks outside?
In Portugal, you still don’t have to wear them outside except in the rogue autonomous region of Madeira, although there have recently been mass campaigns to make them mandatory everywhere.
“mass campaigns to make them mandatory everywhere”
Which is the most sinister aspect of this.
One has to ask who’s behind it and why.
The rules are you have to wear a mask if you go shopping (i.e. inside in confined spaces). We had dinner outside, and the waiter told us that the tourist trade was in ruins and people were scrounging for something in the waste bins outside, much more than I have ever seen here. There will be hunger and misery if this goes on for much longer.
Will be like that here if this shitshow carries on much longer.
Of course.
It seems that it’s mostly the socialist left behind this global movement (sorry, Rick H) to get everyone masked up, and to keep everyone terrified.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1xO723gH7Go
Global Elite’s “Great Reset” Agenda
The WEF founder, and organisation talks about a global reset, and equality of outcomes for everyone.
The only equality that will result will be equal poverty and misery for all. Except a very, very select few….
Fortunately, my local cafe is in a fairly “country” area, so they have learned that the majority of their customers are of the sceptical variety. They have all the T&T and sanitiser nonsense by the door, but the bottles haven’t been touched for the last few weeks and I make a show of wandering in and smiling at the staff, who are all lovely. Funnily enough, they seem happy to leave me alone wrt security theatre in exchange for my money, which always includes lots of flattery and a good tip.
Sounds like a freekin nightmare.
anyone talented at writing limericks? an anti-lockdown, anti masks and all that nonsense one ideally?
Annie – a job for you!
Wear a mask if you’re living in fear
Swerve away if I’m coming too near
Follow signs and dictates
Get a Vax from Bill Gates
Please excuse my incredulous sneer
Brilliant Laura!
I have had a go at a few…
************
There was a old man they called Pappy
Who loves to wear his face nappy
It covers his chin in the shops he is in
it does fuck all but keeps everyone happy
************
There was a young woman called Enid
Who was totally paranoid about COVID
She stayed in until May, wore gloves every day
and a mask when she went to the toilet
************
There was a young man from Down Ampney
To Tescos he went to buy cream for his acne
When he was there his face it was bare
as he bought spuds to put in his face nappy
************
There was a young lady from Glastonbury
Who thought it was good to don a face nappy
She wore it everyday, it got in the way
she stepped of the pavement in front of a lorry
************
Right I am off to do something more useful.
I especially like your first limerick.
My niece is due to start Newcastle university at the end of September but she tells me the union of scaredy cats,sorry students,is now campaigning for no students to return there until next year because it isn’t ‘safe’.
Has the NUS explained why they think next year will be safer?
Give me strength!!!
Until such time as you have stopped breathing heavily and a microphine is jabbed towards your cake hole.
Yuv rumbled me!
In the latest shafting of young people, university unions are demanding students do not return to campus 2 weeks before they’re due to return claiming that uni campuses will be the “care homes of the second wave”. Absolute mockery given that we’ve been promised at least some form of in person learning in order to secure our full student fees.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can protest against this. I feel like my generation is being thrown under the bus completely.
Did you see the link yesterday, to the horrors being inflicted on students in the US? Hope this is not what is in store over here…
So far it doesnt sound like UK universities are going that extreme, they’re simply implementing security theatre to make it feel safe. But the university unions have been making life difficult for everyone for years I dont see them stopping now.
That’s the problem. This is a row of toppling inter-dependent dominoes where no single organisational entity can stand up against the tidal wave of gravity.
To be fair that was Jo Grady form UCU. She has form so to speak and would love nothing but to destroy the government.
So sad that she was sell out students for her personal vendetta.
Google her and you will see.
Sky earlier called her out as scaremongering.
“would love nothing but to destroy the government.”
Well – that’s a worthy objective, at least.
I’m afraid (unfortunately for people like yourself) I feel like your generation is largely throwing itself under the bus…
I agree completely. I’m shocked at how many people are meekly accepting this. I’m shocked at how uninformed and how critical thinking many students are. I’m shocked at how easy it was to brainwash a nation so quickly. Those who are skeptical are too scared to speak out because of fear of being “cancelled”. We’re living a nightmare.
Do you encounter any sceptic views among your peers or is it effectively a white wash? I was chatting to the daughter of a friend the other day who should be going back for her 2nd year at a highly rated university. She is terrified and is considering withdrawing from her course. I have always thought her to be a very level-headed young woman in the past and her parents are very level-headed, if not full sceptics. I wanted to shake her – but she would have run away before I got close enough.
It’s a mixed bag really. Some are still terrified, complain when things reopen or people “show off” that they are going out etc. Some are genuinely terrified of a positive test. I know one course mate in his 20s who has gotten tested 6 times he’s that paranoid of catching covid (each time was negative).
Others are incredibly hypocritical and claim the government isnt doing enough or restrictions should be harsher but still go out to restaurants, pubs, eachothers homes or to BLM protests. I’m guessing they arent too concerned personally but value the appearance of looking virtuous.
A lot of people think the response is a sham, carry on as normal as possible and hold sceptical opinions but arent vocal on the topic at all. They’ll still comply with government rules but out of the fear of fines, not covid. Everyone I’ve spoken to in this category believes a vaccine is round the corner, so accepts the current state of things because it’ll all be over with a vaccine (I am sceptical they’ll let things go back to normal with a vaccine).
Actually, Ricky – it isn’t your generation. This applies right across the board of age. What is concerning is the general susceptibility to utter crap.
But it would be good to see more rebellion from those who have more energy and youth on their side. Perhaps we are also reaping another political harvest – the substitution of a training process in compliant rote non-think for the wider process of real education.
Those are my thoughts too. That range of responses would map well onto any demographic. In my late teens and early 20s I would have been utterly despondent in this situation, however – life felt like an adventure and ups and downs did not stop me from feeling that life was full of possibilities. I suppose that if people of any age believe that a vaccine is imminent and are untroubled by the implications then it seems like no big deal. I agree with you, Ricky, I don’t assume that basic freedoms snatched away will quicky or inevitably be returned to us
Most who are returning, like my son (going into second year) have likely already had the virus. He arrived back home in March and almost immediately had loss of taste and smell for about four days. Two of his friends from the same halls in central London were tested as a matter of routine on entry into their home countries – both tested positive despite no symptoms. It had already therefore done the rounds on most campuses, in my view.
The lecturers are locked in a years-long dispute with the VCs and admin blobs over their pension rights. I have sympathy because they have been royally shafted. However, they are now in different territory in that putting all their stuff online through the university VLE systems will lead to almost certain mass redundancies. Strategy for the VCs and admin blobs is to keep anyone with a decent REF 2021 profile in place until all their papers and articles are submitted (papers lead to research funding allocations) then sack them in favour of graduate teaching assistants (aka ‘teaching slaves’). National disgrace for what used to be a world-leading university system. I don’t blame the lecturers, but the common purpose and political plant rentiers that sit in the admin blob.
“ It had already therefore done the rounds on most campuses, in my view.”
No-one can predict the future with absolute certainty. But, in terms of the normal range of probabilities, your analysis is much more likely than all the Mystic Meg stuff about magical ‘second waves’ inflicted on a susceptible population.
There is absolutely no evidence that indicates such a scenario, whilst there is a lot to suggest that the virus has subsided (and possibly mutated to a less harmful form). The CEBM demolished ‘second waves’ as an immutable fact some while back. It can happen – but, is just as likely not to.
Of course – the over-riding fact is that it was never a big deal at all for the student-age population.
If you’re 80 and you’ve chosen to stay in halls with 19 year olds you have bigger problems than covid.
I’ve just noticed your relating of the term ‘care homes of the second wave’.
I have to say that anyone who can’t identify the two pieces of monstrously questionable logic in this is definitely not suited to university! Admission to nursery might be more at the appropriate level of learning.
As an addendum – you could try pointing those who have a brain cell or two left to the CEBM website with it’s clear illustration of how unsusceptible are the student population to Covid :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-daily-update/
I guess it depends how much further their internet literacy goes beyond simply exchanging gormless comments on antisocial media
Do an apprenticeship instead and forget university.
With too many students going to university, often with questionable degrees (the unis don’t like failing students, as it might deter all that money from going there), it’s debatable how useful a degree is any more.
Trying to say that the one of the least vulnerable portions of society is going to lead to a “care home” scenario is one of the most dishonest statements I’ve seen recently, up there with “climate catastrophe” and “the end of the world in ten years.” Deny them any money. They don’t deserve it, and just use it to perpetuate socialism and their own existence.
I’d love to not give them any money and suspend for a year but the worst part is that they waited until they had our money and our accomodation payments before crying out that opening campus is equal to the care home mess. Classic bait and switch I predicted on here a couple of days ago.
“opening campus is equal to the care home mess.”
I’m amazed that anyone aspiring to a university place is that ignorant.
Demand your money back??
If they’re not providing tuition, then they should give you your money back.
Same thing happened in the USA – waited till they’d got people’s money then changed the plans, moving everything online and bringing in draconian rules about masks and social life.
Tell the unions that university students recognise the importance of participating in a very important research project, to demonstrate the true rate of herd immunity, the relationship of viral load to different environments (bar, lecture room, lab), and the relative robustness of the youthful immune system. After all, it’s more or less what those of us invited to spend Christmas at the Cold Research Unit were told every year between 1948(?) and 1988(?).
Ask these numpties how many of their students are over 70 with co-morbidities.
UCU members in these categories may need a ‘period of reflection’ on whether this is still the right career for them. Doubt the cooks and cleaners can afford to do more than keep washing hands and stay home when they sneeze.
If Jordan Schachtel’s latest article (a compilation of stories – including official letters – from US universities) is anything to go by, UK higher education still has some way to go to match the US in terms of paranoia and stiflingly restrictive measures! I can’t imagine any students wanting to go to uni if they have to deal with this sort of nightmare:
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/tales-from-americas-covid-college?r=6a3x3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter
Yes, that was the link I was referring to!
Someone posted earlier about average yearly deaths being higher in 7 of the years over the course of the last quarter of a century.
Could someone possibly send me a link please.
This dataset goes from the late 1800s to 2018, the first column of the Deaths sheet gives the figures. Bear in mind population changes though (let me know if you want a link to UK population);
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/vitalstatisticspopulationandhealthreferencetables
This link shows the death RATE (i.e. as a percentage of the population). It has ‘projections'(!) going out to 2102 (I suggest bringing the end date in a bit!)
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate
Finally, for this year these are the weekly figures – we’re at the end of August so there will be anoother quarter’s data to consider. Previous years’ data is also there;
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
DavidC
Great thank you
My original post is on Hector Drummond’s website :
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/07/10/rick-hayward-winter-spring-mortality-all-cause-1993-94-2019-2020-in-relation-to-covid-19/
I’m just in the process of updating to include figures up to Week 30 – which just confirms the original, but uses a larger window.
Great piece Rick. The only figure I query is where you write that the UK population has increased 9% since 2000, the figures I’ve got and have seen replicated at
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
show an increase of 14% since 2000, which will have the effect of reducing the 2019/2020 rate even further. Nonetheless I agree with what you’ve written, a very good piece!
DavidC
Thanks. It’s a bit like getting blood – extracting useful data from the ONS site (although I do trust their veracity). Only a bit harder. The population figures/data are for England and Wales and seemed consistent with trends.
What remains the case, as you say David,, is that in general technical terms, and however you cut it – the entire Covid thing is a load of absolute bollocks.
P.S. Analysing mortality in terms of two-year spans (rather than by single years) is really interesting – and even more reassuring about this non-epidemic.
Look forward to seeing that data.
I can give you a brief verbal summary (even tho’ a graph is better) :
Starting from the possibility that there is a relationship between the mortality observable in contiguous years (and that may be just one pattern), I decided to do the obvious and, instead of using moving averages to ‘smooth’ the curve , did the obvious and grouped population-corrected mortality data into two-year blocks and then took the average mortality for each block.
This gave me 13 discrete data points since 1994.
I’d already noted that the shape of the smoothed curve over the years was a sine-wave, but the interesting issue is how closely the two-year model fitted a 4th order polynomial sine-wave curve, suggesting that the real world mortality, taken over two years, did indeed do almost as well at ‘smoothing’ the curve as a theoretical model – suggesting that a real-life balancing does indeed take place.
Importantly, in terms of comparison, the period 2018-20 ends up with mortality at the median level for the ~quarter century – i.e about as unexceptional as you can get – being at the half-way point in the series.
In real life terms, it suggests that the virus has indeed affected a lot of individuals who have actually had a year of extended life beyond normal expectation, rather than cruelly culling the infirm and elderly.
They are farcically made to mask up before and after the race, even when stood on a stage 15m away from another person, and are subject to daily (I think) invasive tests. The protocols for team hotels sounds ridiculous and the entire event is at threat of being called off in an instant if a few positive of cases are found or an area they’re heading to gets a bit of a ‘surge’… Crowds are all forced to muzzle and kept to small numbers – but at least it’s currently taking place, which is more than can be said for any cycling events in the UK where our wonderful British cycling representatives did such a ludicrous deal with the government that no events can realistically take place is any meaningful way.
Yes. at least it’s taking place.
It’s incredibly stupid. As bad as F1 Hamilton stupidity. But Le Tour is more than sport! It is pleasing to see the history won’t record the only years it didn’t run were ware years and Covid1984. That is something. There is something of wonder about seeing the scenery with a futile struggle strung across it.
That’s not to say TdF isn’t a joke in terms of fairness after the Festina-US Postal-etc scandals, David Millar stll preaching too, it’s all for publicity as ever it was. Pressing the boundaries of fair play up to and beyond the limit is part of it’s story. Fascinating to see how Le Tour reflects it’s host nation, road side gendarmes seem to be making the French look stupid at present. Perhaps a farmer might care to herd some sheep onto la course…
At the London Protest 29th August 2020 | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjD5Y4G2d-s
Thanks. According to Carl Vernon there were at least 35,000 protestors, possibly up to 45,000.
Message sent to haveyoursay@bbc.co.uk, entitled “Lock-down protest in London”:
Dear Sir/Madam,
Where is the coverage? The only bit of information I could find was buried in a live feed:
“Protests also took place in the UK, France and Switzerland. In London’s Trafalgar Square, signs reading “masks are muzzles” and “new normal = new fascism” were held up as about 1,000 people attended a rally.”
I would estimate the total number of people at about 30,000+, including the march to Downing Street.
Your organisation is an utter disgrace and should be shut down.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Castro
P.S. I don’t pay any licence fee.
That will not even get to the memory hole.
BBC only mentioned the London protest deep in the body of the Berlin article. Lots of mentions of hoaxes, anti-vaxers and 5G. Sky and the Guardian also ignored it completely..
Expect them to start sending lots of threatening letters and increased visits by their enforcement officers. The sneaky bastards will use your words against you in that message to try and make it look like you were watching their news coverage on TV.
Thank you petgor! I love this stuff…only imagination required
Thanks just listening to Blackadder.
Perhaps she is to osteopathy what Laurence Olivier was to dentistry.
Oooh nice! Took me a second or two though….
The political link is entirely appropriate!
“Is it safe?”
The Tour de France riders are In the middle of a massive climb at the moment, there are not many spectators around on the high roads, but those that have turned out are all masked up, so much for fresh mountain air, utterly insane.
there was a letter in sports section of sunday times today from a bedwetter bemoaning the fact that the tour was taking place and hoping that the crowds did not cause a second wave !
It’s to protect them from the Bikalists sweat, it’s so full of drugs you’ll be contaminated if any of it lands on you
French government rules dictate masks everywhere.
Shocking, the problem is our government will follow that line too.
They knew the cameras were there so on went the masks. I’ll bet once the riders were gone off came the masks n’est pas?
The Madness of Governments
Extract from The Telegraph, coronavirus live feed (paywall):
Wizz Air to cut flights as Hungary closes borders to foreigners
Wizz Air will soon reduce its weekly flights to and from Hungary, after the government announced it would ban the entry of foreigners to slow down the spread of Covid-19 in the country.
The Hungarian government announced it would close its borders to foreigners from September 1, and all Hungarians returning to the country will need to go into quarantine.
Wizz will operate 32 flights per week between September 7 and September 30 – down from around 126 flights scheduled to fly in the period of September 1–6.
On Sunday, Hungary recorded 292 new infections, the highest daily rise since the beginning of the pandemic. Hungary has had a total of 5,961 coronavirus cases and 614 deaths.
However, look at the actual situation, as detailed in this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Hungary
In particular, compare the graph titled Number of new cases with that titled Number of new samples tested (bear in mind the differing y axis scales on these two graphs). Am I right in thinking the dreaded rise in “cases” can be pretty much wholly accounted for by increased testing; testing which is no doubt targeted according to where initial positive tests show up?
When I see this sort of reaction from governments I despair about the future, and wonder if things will ever get back to normal.
They told us during early lockdown that there’ll be no return to the old normal. There’s the New Normal instead, which means to me that it’s all pre-planned. They couldn’t have known back in March or April that we couldn’t return to normal unless they’d already made that decision.
Everyone uses this term ‘normal’ but it means conditioned expectation does it not. You have been told there is no going back. I invite you to find what is natural to your true nature and navigate the organised chaos from a recognition that the government is not your friend – though the principle of true Governance remains necessary and called for. You have to find it in yourself as best you can – and share what works and has value with anyone who also values being human as distinct from being captured and owned.
Yes casedemic is underway – anything to delay restoration of our wits – until phase two is in place. There are those who seek control and there are those who are terrified of losing control and who are this more readily controlled.
The institutions and systems we gave trust to have been subverted and coopted – openly over generations to use the ‘medical’ switch as a pretext for redefining humans as vectors of infection, and helpless to infection, so as to interject a control mentality that runs parasitic to the true needs of its host.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/montreal-macdonald-statue-removed-protest_ca_5f4ac05cc5b697186e36ee4c
Statue toppling has begun in Montreal, Canada. The police stood and watched. No arrests. WTF!
Here’s a link with the same story that doesn’t have an “in your face” cookie demand when it’s opened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53963665
The behaviour of these “Black Lives Matter” scum is reprehensible.
… but let’s keep real – the Tory government scum are more of a real problem rather than just a local irritation.
let’s hear your commie alternative
That’s a massive non sequitur in response to two Canadian people discussing something that’s happening in Canada. Care to elaborate?
what is even more ridiculous is the SNP government has officially cancelled McDonald.. They have removed all reference to him from their website, Removing people from history? i thought only russian and chinese totalitarian states did that . Clearly what the SNP aspire to .. Will it be Jimmy Krankee that is disappeared next?
Yes, but someone I know peripherally was arrested for walking on a public beach! She’s a real law breaker, let me tell you. Our “public health” officials think it’s in the best interests of health to bar people from walking on deserted beaches, but toppling statues is apparently fine.
https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_cobourg_beach_why_hire_a_lawyer_880_dollar_ticket
I power-hungry politician of dubious ability married to a lovely – dare I say ‘fragrant’ wife – who’d have thunk!
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-entire-flight-to-cardiff-told-to-self-isolate-after-seven-confirmed-covid-19-cases-12059838 but why -we know that anyone infectious wearing a face nappy cannot infect anyone -otherwise why would they be mandated?
Gosh, we’ve been lied to on face masks. We all need hazmat suits to venture outside!
When Fauci started talking about goggles as eye protection I couldn’t help thinking we’ll all end up wearing scuba gear with our own oxygen supply one of these days. I’ve scuba dived and I’d be able to breathe better all suited up with an oxygen tank than wearing a face diaper.
Fauci, aka Frankie Valli, has a lot of explaining to do, starting with sources of funding and links to a certain lab in Wuhan!
Like the Irish wear two condoms,
to be sure to be sure
COVID-19 has seen ‘dangerous and unprecedented’ violation of doctor-patient code
Hydroxychloroquine
Sky News Australia
30 Aug 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsVGO8SNloY
Pratt Wankcock
Still don’t give two fucks about anyone who’s died from this virus, still don’t care i’m not wearing a mask, still won’t take a vaccine. If you’re shitting yourself stay in and leave me the fuck alone to go about my business. Oh and the NHS is a communist nightmare staffed by fat fucks and faggots, don’t give two fucks for it. Everything i just said is exactly how everyone feels it’s just some will say it.
You sure said it.
Somebody should stand up in Parliament and say it verbatim
I’ve tried to muster up compassion for the people living in fear, but I cannot. They’re the ones bleating on about how those of us who can’t/won’t wear a mask should be the ones to remain locked down so that they can be out and about and feel “safe.” Their zealotry have forced me to become the shut-in so, no, I feel no compassion and hope they all get mask mouth, rotted teeth, and continuous infections from their “safety” talisman.
Any statue toppling yet in Toronto?
I’m rarely in Toronto anymore. I’ve been spending most of my time 2 hours north at our country property where I don’t have to see other people. I did read that there was some kind of BLM-type protest there yesterday and things got pretty bad. Police tased someone and some officers were hurt, but no statue toppling as far as I know!
I read somewhere that a statue of John Macdonald, Canada’s first PM was toppled down.
and are the snitches
Since the mandatory mask rule and associated zealotry, my own sympathy and patience has also been wearing very thin… the passively compliant are one thing, but those who actively clamour for more measures or more enforcement of existing ones, to impose their own zero-tolerance interpretation of the “precautionary principle” for one risk amongst many, are now beneath my contempt!
Seconded.
Well said!!!! The sanctimony and holier-than-thou attitude really repels me plus the “me,me,me!” and bleating about their conditions and fear is starting to wear thin. They’re the ones destroying the economy and people’s livelihood. I for one will have no sympathy for them if any of them become redundant, bankrupt or a recepient of Sunak’s nasty surprise in terms of their pensions being taxed.
“ Oh and the NHS is a communist nightmare staffed by fat fucks and faggots, don’t give two fucks for it.”
Utter posing bollocks is no answer to utter bollocks.
You remind me of my dear old granny
Brilliant comment.
And therein lies the problem. You don’t give a fuck for anyone and masquerade as ‘Ard. Perhaps a fall from your bike and no emergency services because it’s all privatised now would suit you fine?
Here’s the latest government data on tests and deaths:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
A “massive” increase (yes, LOL!) of positive tests, but only ONE reported death. No mention of the number of tests carried out – the data for this, and the numbers in hospital, is not up-to-date.
I wonder which of the figures the MSM will concentrate on.
I hadn’t seen that site before. How anyone can look at that data and think we are in a pandemic eludes me. The charts for testing and cases match each other so closely since the start of July. It even looks as though some of the bumps in number of tests are visible in the cases. Conclusion – it almost completely went away some time ago and nearly all positive tests are now false positive background noise.
The data on that page are misleading, as there has been NO INCREASE IN PILLAR 1 OR PILLAR 2 PCR POSITIVES OVER THE LAST 5 WEEKS.
There has simply been an increase in the amount of PCR testing, and this is obscured in the top figure because that aggregates all Pillar 1,2,3,&4 testing.
Click through to see more data on testing, and look specifically at the amount of Pillar 2 testing to see I am right
My son goes back to university next week. Lectures several hours a day. Everybody must be masked. He and his friends think the rules go too far. But, I say, surely everybody will end up wearing their mask round their chin. The teachers won’t say anything. Well, no, because it would take only one full on believer to report the teacher for not making them wear their masks properly and the teacher would be in trouble. Like that nasty Russian boy Peter Hitchens is always talking about who became a hero in Soviet Russia for telling on his parents. My son and his friends just want to be allowed to live their lives in peace and if a mask is the price to pay…No rebellion in the ranks there, unfortunately. How long will this horrible situation go on?
As long as they let it. Period.
No, as log as we let them do it.
I’m afraid I agree with you. The kids will do whatever it takes to get back to something resembling “normal” even though wearing masks in a classroom is far from normal. My daughter will be starting in-person classes the third week of September — the university had to give everyone 2 weeks to self-quarantine — and in a province with 3 cases, everyone will have to wear masks. I’m just thankful her classes are only 1 hour or 1.5 hours at a time, unlike my old university where they were 3 hours. I also agree that many would drop the whole charade but just one bedwetter will ruin it for everyone else. The bedwetters are probably the professors themselves, so many of whom have refused to even come back and teach in person. Half her classes are in person and I feel thankful for that since most universities in Canada have gone completely online. Such a travesty.
What’s wrong with today’s youth? In 1968 I was demonstrating in the streets, and I was still at school. Stand up to the fuckers
It’s the old,old problem. Successful rebellion depends on numbers – and balls. Despite the romantic fiction, nothing changes by virtue of the isolated martyr.
They had Pravda, they had Izvestia, they had the Universities, they had the State, still they lost. But it took 70 years.
The NHS is effectively closed and so is the private sector.
I had to pay for a private procedure last Friday and the consultant was very vocal about Covid-19 and the pharma companies. The NHS has ‘bought’ the private sector’s operating theatres until Oct but aren’t using them. This means private patients cannot get procedures done. The consultant told me he NEVER has vaccines and quoted the hazard sheets. The 3 nurses in attendance agreed. He was also very vocal about the ridiculous wearing of harmful masks and the great deceit that is Covid-19. More have died from medical neglect as the NHS is effectively ‘closed’. All those so called ‘urgent’ mammograms and ‘urgent’ blood tests are no longer so urgent. You couldn’t make it up. People are dying in their thousands from neglect. The common cold is killing far more than Covid-19 and suicide rates are higher than the death rates from Covid-19. Many are in pain and discomfort because they cannot get cataracts removed or hip/knee surgery. It’s an absolute disgrace and a scandal and yet people continue to believe the claims from the NHS. Most hospitals are practically empty. When is this going to end? The common cold has always been the main killer of the old and sick and yet you cannot elect to end your life but the NHS can discharge you from hospital into a care home with a DNR. It’s culling the old, sick and those considered ‘surplus to requirements’.
TOBY, maybe a new drive to focus on No Access to medical care in UK (NHS & Private). with associated neglect and ‘murder’
Second that!
what are the ‘hazard sheets’? the patient information leaflets?
Yes; you should always ask for these sheets, it’s a legal requirement to offer them to you. The trouble is, do you know anyone who ahs had a flu jab who has been given one?
WHY DOES HE NOT SPEAK OUT?
Good question – he should send a report to Simon Dolan..
I too have a friend in her 50s waiting for a cataract operation – it’s preventing her from being able to work properly..
Just talking numbers with some friends and looked this up –
By 18 April, we went through 20k deaths
By 18 June, we went through 40k.
In the past 2 1/2 months there have only been an additional 1500.
In the face of that how can people be claiming there exists an emergency still??
Some are mad (brainwashed) and some are evil
They can’t – but they are.
DavidC
That needs to be posted everywhere possible – sums things up perfectly! Could also be emailed to MPs..
This disease gets safer every day
UK
New Cases 1,715
Deaths 1
Why Ron Paul (US Libertarian) Won’t Wear a Mask | Kibbe on Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeR26TgsNaw
Paul earned a Doctor of Medicine degree from Duke University’s School of Medicine in 1961, and completed his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and his residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Magee-Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh.
He served his country, and is a true patriot. I also read a few years ago, he spent much time in the local community treating people for free, who had no medical cover. His son, Rand is also a doctor, and regularly calls out the virtue-signalers in the Senate.
Osteopathy and Chiropractic are both quackery, so fits in with Hancock’s methodology.
LIVE: Protests against coronavirus lockdown measures continue in Berlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2SG0OjOme0
Nope – gone now
Censored by YouTube or just a technical hitch?
Had Sunday lunch, bottle of wine and while there is crap on TV and wife is doing cross-stitch and as my creative juices are flowing then after seeing an earlier comment below is a letter to my MP requesting him to vote against the coronavirus legislation in debates.
Thanks to inproporotion2 and lockdowntruth for 1 graph each, made my point very well visually I think.
Feel free to copy, plagiarise etc. as you want.
Link to the whole thing:
https://1drv.ms/w/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiTKxP7vmcrnZ1pBW?e=L490By
Sir,
In coming weeks there are Parliamentary debates being held to review the Coronavirus legislation that is currently in place and as per the legislation it must be reviewed by Parliament and it’s continuation as law to be voted upon after said debate.
As you are the duly elected Member of Parliament for the constituency of XXXXX and therefore my representative in Parliament I hereby request you to vote against any and all extensions and/or renewals of existing legislation or any and all new legislation (UK General Public Acts and/or Statutory Instruments) that continue to maintain the current restrictions or introduces additional measures and restrictions with regard to “combatting coronavirus”.
Since February 2020 there has been no Parliamentary debate on the numerous Statutory Instruments introduced since that time and there has been no holding of the Government to account during this period by Parliament and the country is now effectively governed by Ministerial diktat and edict, Twitter announcements and Statutory Instruments that have had zero Parliamentary debate or scrutiny.
Decision making is now in the hands of an unelected cabal of “experts” who have no accountability to the population of this country unlike a Member of Parliament has and who, along with many people in positions of authority within Government, business and international NGOs, all seem to be linked to each other in what can only be described as an almost incestuous web.
The upcoming debates are an opportunity for parliament and the duly elected representatives of the people of this country to show that they take their responsibilities to their constituents and the country seriously and are willing to hold Government to account for their actions.
The main justification for the lifting of all restrictions was stated quite clearly and openly by the CMO of England Dr Chris Whitty in the Parliamentary Select Committee for Health and Social Care, 21st July 2020.
In this televised hearing (available on parliamentlivetv but also documented in the transcript of said hearing) he stated:
This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the lockdown measures were introduces and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.
It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the commencement of the lockdown measures and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that lockdown measures have had no positive effect whatsoever on “controlling coronavirus”.
Secondary to this is what has been published on the website of the Office of National Statistics in recent weeks:
Here are a few recent ONS graphs that show visually the threat is over:
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This graph has been compiled using ONS published figures and that shows very well the end of the “pandemic”:
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Part 2:
Additionally it is becoming clearer that the recent increase in “cases” has a direct relationship to the number of tests being carried performed.
If there was a pandemic still ongoing and that the positive tests are indicative of this then what is happening – stable percentage of positive tests regardless of how many tests are performed, positive tests percentage within the false positive range, no noticeable increase in hospitalisations for covid-19 and dropping death rates from covid-19 – would not be happening.
The exact opposite would be happening with the first indication being an exponential increase in the percentage of positive tests followed by increasing hospitalisations and deaths.
This graph illustrates the relationship between number of tests and “positives” very well:
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Initially the narrative was “all is OK, just wash your hands” then this changed to “it’s only for 3 weeks to save the NHS”.
When the NHS was “saved” any and all restrictions should have been lifted then.
Now 5 months later restrictions are still in place with more threatened daily by Government.
More and more nonsensical measures introduced without Parliamentary debate or oversight and the narrative has morphed from “a little longer to flatten the curve” to “wear a mask or kill everyone” to ““we must wear masks while we wait on a vaccine or we will all die”.
On a final note, while browsing the various Government websites I came across the following items that I found interesting and which state the responsibilities of a Member of Parliament:
On the petitions website, the reasons for a petition calling for Members of Parliament to be made responsible to their constituents being rejected:
On a BBC webpage:
On various webpages about Parliamentary standards and the associated Code of Conduct:
“Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.”
Openness
So derogating and give away responsibility and oversight of the law making process of this country, destroying the fabric of society, destroying social cohesion and turning people and families against each other, splitting up families, refusing dying and vulnerable people visits from their loved ones for months on end “for their own good”, allowing people to die alone without comfort or human contact, destroying the economy, destroying the livelihoods of millions of people, destroying businesses, racking up billions of Pounds of debt for future generations to pay off, of dragging millions of people into penury, debt and hunger, both MPs and Ministers refusing to answer constituent’s/the electorate’s correspondence and questions is:
– in the public interest?
– in the interest of the nation as a whole?
– is not causing significant damage to the reputation and integrity of the house?
– being as open as possible?
– giving reasons for the decisions?
– submitting to the scrutiny appropriate to the office?
– helping to make laws?
– scrutinising the work of Government?
Part 3:
If required I can supply to you or your researchers the data, FOI request answers, independent research, scientific studies etc that I have been reading and researching to be able to form a coherent opinion on this matter independently of what is being stated by Government, the SAGE/alternative SAGE committees, the Royal Society DELVE group, local authorities and Councils, broadcast on television or written in the newspapers in print and online and on social media.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you would like this information but it is all readily available in the public sphere and can be found with a little diligent searching easily enough.
Yours sincerely
Full name and address etc
I’d like to use, but the graphs don’t appear – are you able to link to them?
Here are all 4 graphs (or should be, if not let me know), from the letter it’s easy to see what goes where:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiThzOmbPjqfxSbSa?e=kzhSKg
Many thanks. This will be winging its way to Jesse Norman this afternoon.
I couldn’t have done to without the alcohol at lunch.
The graph with the numbers of tests – where does that come from? There’s no date information on it, but it might be useful to cite?
It’s from lockdowntruth:
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/blog
Cheers!
Many thanks! For some reason I cannot open the full file, but I’ve copied the text and links to the graphs
Microsoft automatically saves it as a .docx when uploaded.
It should be downloadable and you can do what you want with it then.
Yes, usually I can open doc.x so not sure what has happened here. I’m on a Mac, but I have Word for Mac, and a fairly new version.
I use a mac and used openoffice to make the e-mail a .doc file.
Microsoft Onedrive then automatically changed it to the latest word file version.
As I uploaded it onedrive knows I put it on there so don’t see what you see but I’ve checked and it is a .docx extension so should be OK.
Must be my laptop then… it asks me if I want to send a report to Microsoft, but I’m not that inclined to!
Haven’t had the chance to look through all the comments today so apologies if this has already been posted here, but more scaremongering bilge on the front page of the BBC which just makes my blood boil.
‘Coronavirus: University return ‘could spark Covid avalanche’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53947488
Some choice quotations from this pile of crud include ones from UCU Chief Jo Grady, such as ‘universities were not prepared and risked becoming the “care homes of the second wave”’ and melodramatic hysteria like ‘having tens of thousands of students heading into cities across the UK “risks doing untold damage to people’s health and exacerbating the worst public health crisis of our lifetimes”’. Of course, the unions are just trying to make everyone’s lives a total misery to score political points, but shame on the BBC for putting such sensationalist garbage at the front and centre of its homepage, especially seeing as there is no financial incentive for the BBC to sell papers or get clicks in the same way as other MSM outlets.
I start a postgraduate diploma next month which is a necessary prerequisite to a job I start in 2021. Said job is in an incredibly competitive field and I worked myself to the bone to secure it during my undergraduate degree. I am meant to be having face-to-face teaching for all my contact hours (I was surprised my university allowed this option and didn’t cave into bedwetting and force everyone to go online) but if my course and learning is disrupted in any way next year due to hysterics like this, when I have worked so hard to get where I am today and when the disease poses so little risk to the vast majority, not least young students, then that will be another kick in the teeth by a government and establishment who have a psychotic fixation on their own careers at the expense of the wellbeing of millions.
All I can hope for is that the youth of today never forget how they have been totally thrown under the bus by the government, the media, the establishment, world leaders, the lot. Perhaps some consequences will take years to manifest but when they do, some people may have to deal with them for life.
I feel totally powerless in a way, with no platform. Whenever I try and persuade my family to realise the total madness of what is going on, they just sigh and say ‘it’s not forever’ and then tell me that I’m getting too worked up about it, but how can one NOT get angry about what is unfolding around the world? How can people just sit back and accept this BS – forced masking, even of children as young as 12 when the scientific evidence for masks is dubious, totally grinding society to a halt for a mild disease, weaponising fear and turning people against one another – as normal and justified?!
As platformless as I am, the only real thing I can do is just live my life as normal and never, ever cave into fear. Due to life circumstances that wouldn’t have happened without the ‘pandemic’, I have spent all summer with my bf when we’d normally just travel to see each other every weekend or so. Despite the awfulness of everything, we’ve tried our level best to have the best few months that we ever could – getting out and about, pursuing hobbies, seeing friends, travelling around the UK, just loving one another and enjoying one another’s company. It gives me an enormous sense of satisfaction to know that these things which are just so normal and which we once took for granted are the exact things which our leaders sought so hard to destroy with their inhumane lockdown restrictions. I guess that would be my advice to anyone who feels helpless or like they have no voice to speak out against this insanity: keep doing the things you love, even if they’re little. If you do what you love and love what you do, then you are already worth so much more than the lowlives who are trying so hard to destroy us.
Brilliant. Totally share all your concerns. The BBC have a very odd direction on this and today has been another disgrace.
“the unions are just trying to make everyone’s lives a total misery to score political points”
i.e. Don’t disagree – this copying of the Tory Party is not good enough as a response.
So well expressed, as usual if I may say! Your exhortation to do the things we love is apposite, of course it is, but many of us can’t do that. I can’t do the things I love: my part time work (although thankfully my job can’t be done by a machine or an off shore worker), my choir, my exercise classes, my volunteer work, and being old some of my friends continue to believe they are in the vulnerable category and are a bit iffy about a person who never wears a mask.
Sounds self pitying doesn’t it, but it’s how we have to live so I share your condemnation of the shits that brought us to this state of collective hysteria.
I know that many activities we love have been forbidden – I think it’s truly awful, especially banning singing. I was in 3 choirs during my school days and singing was something that brought me true joy.
I guess the sentiment of my message stays the same – find joy in the little things. If you keep finding joy in life, then these bastards will never win, because their sole mission is to take it all away.
Well said.
Choral singing is my joy too.
But I still sing, even if it’s alone.
Been saying since end of March: they want to crush our spirit by taking any joy away
“they just sigh and say ‘it’s not forever’”
It’s already gone on too long.
When are we going to be able to travel again without being subjected to a quarantine?
When are we going to be able to go shopping, or have a haircut, or travel on public transport, or fly with a mask?
Or be required to have a vaccine??
I see plenty of worrying signs that there are plenty of people who want this to become permanent, including the climate change activists.
Point them at the WEF, to see that this is not temporary, and while it may not be forever, it could last a very, very long time.
When politicians take away people’s freedoms, they don’t readily give them back.
Quite. I really worry now that antisocial distancing, face nappies and travel quarantining are here for a very long time. The most depressing aspect of it is that (apparently) the majority support it all.
Right from the beginning the phrase ‘new normal’ was used by the MSM the world over… If this really was a new virus, then they would not have known how long it would take to be able to get back to normal, nor talked of a ‘new normal’…
As far as I see it, this was all planned, and unless we stop it all, the powers-that-be have no intention of it *not* being forever…
Ireland has already introduced immunity passports – saw their promotional film yesterday…
I saw an interesting comment here the other day which said that this was indeed planned, but not necessarily in the way you might think. We know that late last year world governments wargamed a response to a deadly virus. The timing is very fortuitous but surely publicly planning a response just 3 months before the virus appears is too obvious. Anyway, the world governments thought SARS-CoV-2 was the ‘big one’ and put their wargame into action, before quickly realising this was nowhere near as bad as they thought.
My opinion is that’s why this all looks planned – because it WAS a plan, it was just implemented for a disease far less severe than the one for which it was intended and world governments daren’t row back on their mistake for fear of massive global backlash, so they continue to implement their destructive policies as part of their wargame plan to ‘protect’ us from a deadly, once-in-500-years pandemic.
I’ve seen on the World Economic forum’s website that they intend to carry out two ‘live exercises’ – so are we in one now? Bill G has already said people will take it seriously ‘next time’ (laughing as he said it), so what have they planned now and when? What about this ‘global reset’?
It was in the WHO world at risk 2020 summary and report from Sept 2019:
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf
It’s on pg 10:
“The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide
training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate
release of a lethal respiratory pathogen.”
If I remember rightly they were supposed to do 2 exercises by September 2020…
So the second wave is a cert isn’t it?
Gates seems to think so… guess that’s when the vaccines will suddenly be both ready and mandatory.. By then, the compulsory regular testing and health passport will likely have been rolled out (Ireland have already announced their health passport)…
Gates wrote in his blog, at the end of last year, that vaccines would be a good thing to invest in for 2020…
They haven’t ffs
The publicly announced title & schedule of the next Davos fiasco is related to The Great Reset – includes a lot about digital currency, biometrics digital IDs, climate emergency, etc.
Careful they haven’t. Inadvertent scaremongering. It’s a private company flying a kite. So far Ireland is still a democracy
There will be a tipping point. I don’t know when, Tyneside Tigress reckons it will be in October, I hope she’s right.
But when that tipping point occurs, things will change quickly.
Keep flying, Biggles, with your Tigress. We’ll see off the huns.
Just don’t cave in.
If the majority of students refuse to go along with this bullshit, how can THEY enforce it?It’s up to the young to fight their way out of hell. It they don’t, it’s they who will spend their whole lives in it.
Just about to start completing the response to the Department of Health’s consultation for the early introduction of untried and untested vaccines, and came across the following document on vaccine trials. Perhaps others might be interested in referring to this (there may be more authoritative sources – Guy/Swedenborg have a better handle on this?). I also wonder whether the Maybot, having now jumped on the bandwagon of Primodos, would be a good spokesperson for preventing the introduction of an unlicensed product – any of her constituents on here?
https://www.ifpma.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/IFPMA-ComplexJourney-2019_FINAL.pdf
The timing of Primodos is unusual. I fancy contrived to be so. But that’s only my opinion.
Thanks TT – this section (P3) is all that I needed to be read:
“Before a vaccine is licensed and brought to the market, it undergoes a long and rigorous process of research, followed by many years of clinical testing. The overall development of a vaccine consists generally of a discovery phase, a pre-clinical phase, the clinical development phase (phases I to III) and the post licensure phase (phase IV), and it takes on an average about 10 to 15 years”
ICAN, Del Bigtree’s non-profit, launched a suit and successfully forced the FDA to insist on placebo-controlled trials on the experimental Covid vaccines being created/tested in the US. Most people would be surprised to know that vaccines are not routinely safety tested with a placebo-controlled group! These companies were trying to use the meningitis vaccine as the control. Another vaccine that wasn’t properly safety tested as the control, with their argument being that a saline placebo group wouldn’t experience the injection site reactions and hence those involved in the study would be better able to discern the placebo group from the actual vaccine group. While I still would never agree to any of these vaccines, at least some of them now have a proper control group. Safer, but by no means safe, and the timeline is still scary.
That’s good TT, am I right in thinking it’s a free form response, couldn’t find a set of questions to which they wanted answers? Are you drafting a comprehensive response, or just areas within your own expertise?
If the former, the part I would comment on reads:
‘ The UK government believes that sufficiently serious breaches should lead to loss of immunity from civil liability, but that opens up the question of what should amount to a sufficiently serious breach for these purposes?
‘Our preference is to make this an objective test – the view of a third party.
That gives rise to the question of who should be the ‘objective bystander’ whose view the Courts should determine. For consultation purposes, we are proposing (draft regulation 174A(3)(b)) that “…any risk of death or personal injury that is wholly or partly attributable to that breach is such that a reasonable person [with an interest in placing medicinal products on the market] would regard the breach as sufficiently serious to justify the licensing authority setting aside the recommendation…’
And:
‘There is, in this type of legislation, a recognised concept of a person who ‘places on the market’ a product – normally, in the case of a licensed medicine, the marketing authorisation holder – and in the case of an unlicensed product, there will, practically speaking, be a pharmaceutical company that stands in the same position in relation to the product, i.e. the company that manufactured it or ordered its manufacture.
So, the ‘objective bystander’ in this situation could be a reasonable pharmaceutical company who might conceivably be in the same position as the company actually bringing the product to market…’
I.e. the question of what is a serious breach could be adjudicated by another pharma company.
Sorry, no thanks.
The argument will be that only one such could possibly understand the complexities of bringing the product to market. It’s not too dissimilar to the argument that complex fraud trials were too difficult and took too long before a normal jury. After many attempts the removal of jury trial in such cases was legislated – only to be repealed again in 2012 (S 43 Criminal Justice Act 2003).
And good job too, quality barristers can always explain complex stuff. Juries bring to it an underlying sense of the honesty and rectitude of the defendant.
The problem here is that, if and when a ‘serious breach’ gets to trial, on HMG’s preferred wording the question of whether or not it was a ‘serious breach’ could have been pre-empted by the expert witness opinion of another pharma company.
Or that’s how I read it.
Sylvie, I will comment in most, if not all, of the five sections as per the attached – follow the link to ‘respond online’. I think as many people as do this, the better, and we should not be deterred by the government blurb that it designed as a consultation for those with specific knowledge or a direct institutional interest in the matter. I am deeply concerned about the vaccine as an ordinary citizen and mother. I am not an anti-vaxxer in any shape or form, and I will not be subject to such a slur by a PM who is incapable of managing his own personal life and health, let alone the country.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu
Both of us (me and Mr TT) are natural scientists by background, albeit some years ago. We both have PhDs in social science disciplines and related practitioner experience. We will not be taking directions from the protagonists in this saga!
A few police cars at local Sainsbury’s, so moved onto Asda. There’s now a traffic light system installed with people queuing outside again. One other customer not in a mask. There was also an older lady not in a mask but about half way through my shop she put one on.
Maybe the police were in there shopping?
The devi has spent the last day retweeting tweets. It is the weekend and we know she doesn’t like to lose those.
The last actual tweet that appears to have originated with devi says:
“The debate needs to move from ‘Do face coverings work?’ (Yes from mechanistic & observational evidence) to ‘Are the harms of using them in various settings balanced appropriately with the risk of COVID-19?’ The 2nd question can only be answered with setting-specific info.”
What now…? Is that a twit asking for a Risk Assesment? “Setting-specific” how about ‘the real world’ being the setting. “Harms of using them” go on with you… really? How is Sturgeon going to field that question – why are you making us wear harmful masks sturgeon? The question no one will ever ask.
There are some exceptional naraative twisting retweets from trump hating scientists if anyone can be bothered to look at todays tweets from demi god devi. Don’t ruin your weekend – although there is one pod cast which may be interesting for scientist background types to further learn the agenda from.
No I won’t look I really really dislike Devi.
You and I both Wendy. Reading her tweets is akin to looking into hell. The whole agenda is there to see. She is it’s embodiment.
Note the subtle newspeak use of “harms”, plural. It’s “harm” singular. This is similar to the use of “survivor” when talking about a “victim”.
If there are grammatical errors, does this mean that someone else (not a native English speaker) is writing the tweets and Devi is just copying and pasting?
It’s entirely possible, but “harms” is one of those fashionable bullshit words and phrases of the moment, alongside “uptick”, “surge” and “ramp up”. She probably did use it.
I’ve ramped up my surge of upticks. Here, have one.
She’s from the US, and it’s American English, I think.
Hello Folks, our lovely Carl Heneghan has retweeted a couple of important things. One is of Professor Robert Dingwall being interviewed in the Express about his dismay at Nicola Sturgeon mandating facemasks in Schools. He describes it as a political move to undermine Westminster. I know we know it but it’s good to see this written up and to know it is getting out.
The other is of an article in The Observer about care homes not being able to get the tests they need and it is putting people are risk and blocking visiting for vulnerable people. We have a strategy of doing tests on people who are not ill in high streets and going door to door offering tests but we cannot get tests to people who need them and who are caring for vulnerable people!
Both very powerful pieces. Well done Prof Dingwall and Heneghan. I really feel there are some people out there who care about the terrible mess we are in and trying to help.
Nicola’s not a sturgeon, she’s a piranha.
NHS worker who made the “It’s bollocks” Twitter video currently being publicly shamed by the Daily Mail. She never claimed “frontline” workers weren’t busy. Just that other departments, like hers, were effectively dead. Pretty easy to see she’s telling the truth. Lots of sexist, classist comments. Shame. I’d say she’s as good an NHS hero as any other.
Daily Mail should be more responsibly than attacking a young lady and leading its often spiteful readers into hateful comments threatening her. They will drive people to suicide with their disgusting reporting – all a part of the government intimidating NHS staff into conformity. Shame on them.
The terms ‘Daily Mail’ and ‘responsibility’ belong in different universes.
Why were all the police wearing masks at the protest yesterday?
Probably told to because they don’t normally.
Because wokeflake Dick told them to.
Don’t worry, they can always be identified. Even in full riot gear, they have to display their unique number.
They’re not allowed to do that anymore.
Until the protest on 15th August the police had been unmasked and friendly. After the mainstream media release old footage of a peaceful protest walk around a supermarket unmasked (day after introduction) the police changed to being masked and constantly intimidating and threatening. The government gave the media the green light to publish the supermarket protest so the media could demonise the protestors and the police could start using high risk football match tactics. Also the police have had agitators in the crowd since 15th August – shameful tactics not fit for a democracy.
I noticed them all wandering off about one-thirty ish. I left not long after that myself. I did wonder if they were about to get togged up with visors and batons or something…
Did you also hear the fake sirens and the low-flying helicopter? You might sneer at David Icke, but he’s the one they are afraid of. The sirens started (as far as I could hear) just as Mr Icke started to talk.
If they were afraid of Icke he would have been conveniently ‘dispatched’ years ago
I was at the protest, and while it was great to see such a large crowd defying the government and against lockdown etc, it really was a shame that it was dominated and run by some rather unsound people with very unsound ideas.
Don’t get my wrong I’m interested in all things weird and wacky and even have some respect for David Icke (whose speech was actually rather good). But it’s a shame that us regular lockdown skeptics can’t be organising and running these protests.
Certainly we’d welcome any support from the more ‘out-there’ protesters, but we should have Peter Hitchens, Toby Young, Delingpole, Michael Levitt, Sunetra Gupta etc as our speakers not the nutters who were speaking yesterday. And those you weren’t nutters were quite frankly just crap and uninteresting speakers.
The MC for example is just a full-on nutbag whose twitter is full of Chemtrails references an whatnot. Just not a good look and an absolute breeze for the media to ignore. Toby you should be organising the next one!
Yes, indeed. As you say, the speakers were good in the main, but we do need people who not quite so much on the fringe – laudable though their sentiments are.
And we need protests locally – many people feel VERY strongly, but can’t travel to London, or any major city. I’m sure there’d be some in my neck of the woods – there are the Conservative Party members who tore up their cards when BJ’s Muzzle Up Programme was announced!
Piers Corbyn is probably just about sane enough to have him speaking without tarnishing the reputation, but that MC banging on about how they’re trying to kill us all is just not going to make the movement any friends, even if it were true!
I agree 100%, this very much what I have been trying to put across in the replies to the first post. Rational argument from those specialists, often retired, who are not afraid to put their heads above the parapet is what will prevail
I was stood by the gallery at the top the of steps, where passers-by had stopped to listen. They listened to some of the people up there with me explaining about what was wrong with the lockdown. But once they heard the MC they more or less ran away, rather than drifted away.
Also agree 100% about the conspiracy stuff, especially fringe/unrelated issues like 5G and “chemtrails”!
Even if there is some kind of conspiracy or corruption behind some of what’s going on, the best way to reach people is with provable facts and statistics. Presenting the latter along with claims about Bill Gates, NWO etc. is likely to make non-sceptics regard the whole lot as “a conspiracy theory” – it certainly won’t help with convincing most people. Not to mention giving more ammunition to the media who want/need to portray all of us as cranks and truthers.
Just want to add, please donate to Toby! I had got too used to scrolling past the ‘Shameless Begging Bit’ without thinking, and had never donated even though it’s the right thing to do considering how much value I’ve gotten out of this site. Another commenter inspired me to chip in my £20 just now and I hope this comment will inspire someone else.
Yes, I got guilty yesterday of scrolling past it so chipped in £20. Will do that now and again the longer the nonsense goes on.
I’m going to do a DD for £5 a month. He’s working his socks off, bless him.
I suppose it was because it was they who organised it. Perhaps we need to organise the next one.
They’ve been organising them from the beginning. I certainly wouldn’t like to see them pushed aside, but if we want to recruit, I’m afraid we have to be a little more mainstream… Probably just apart a little bit.
You’re right about the masks yesterday. The police looked fair flummoxed at all of us going bare-faced, for God’s sake…
One thing I will say for the more “out there” protestors is that they are certainly colourful and I suspect also good fun and interesting. I left about the time David Icke was about to begin his bit.
You’re quite right, we do need the Hitchens and Levitts and Guptas and Heneghans. Perhaps a different venue?
You might think that, but if it were up to the people you think should be speaking, no-one would bother organising it. David Icke thoroughly deserves his “day in the sun”; everyone was laughing at him for many years and now they cheer him for being prescient.
I was there too and I agree completely. It was really disappointing the speeches went off on total tangents about fluoride in toothpaste and various conspiracy theories. I wish they had just stuck to the keey issues of lockdown and masks. I am still glad I went because what other forum is there to protest?
‘Don’t follow leaders, watch the parkin’ meters’.
https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/subterranean-homesick-blues/
We are being conspired against. That’s worse than fluoride in our toothpaste.
https://holisticdentalinstitute.com/dangers-of-fluoride-in-toothpaste/
Makes me puzzled when I see the term ‘anti-vaxxer’ – look at people have been highlighting for years, questioning dental practices: fluoride in toothpaste, high levels of toxic metals in fillings. does it make them ‘anti-teeth-ers?’
I said the same thing up the page and a couple of weeks ago when first joined .we need to get people like Toby ,Hitchens and the doctors to speak at the protests. I think the reason they haven’t is because they don’t want to be associated with the conspiracy stuff but now having demo’s with thousands attending they may change their minds. Time to put the pressure on Toby everyone . Get some sane heads to speak and our job will be to promote it in every way possible.
You could have made valid and constructive points here but trashed your own comment by virtue signalling as an anti-nutter to in a choir of polarised ‘normality’.
The general unsoundness of the platform that operated is not addressed by your commenting at all. I could write a page of critical comment so I am not without sympathy for addressing the many faults or lack of clear communication on the day, but have no interest in smear based identity politics.
The fact is that they were the individuals who actually organised it, and did so under duress. (The police presence at the event was more than containment – they confiscated audio and video equipment and arrested Corbyn). The pretext was uniting for freedom which I felt in the people but not the organisers who – like the BBC – take on the role of telling us what to think, who to boo and when to cheer – a pantomime.
The speakers were indeed poor in focus and delivery – the MC presumed the whole event as her personal last ditch attempt to save the world and interrupted other at will.
But the ‘nutterbility’ is in the emotional reactivity, lack of discipline and focus, that went way off message – for freedom cannot be mandated or set in negatives.
Freedom to wear of not wear a mask is to be respected but ‘nutters’ shame it bedwetting etc. Who are ‘nutters’? They are not people so much as a dispossession of intelligent awareness to an emotional reactivity coupled with abnegation of responsibility masking as virtue set over scapegoats for their own frustrations.
Factionalism works polarised identity as a sort of unowned collectivism. You could express your desire for Toby to organise or get involved in the organisation of a broad church coalition for a Humanity under attack by extremely organised forces of deceit.
But critical awareness is for decisions into the future – not the demonising of the past from a sense of superior judgement.
The ‘whacky’ issues have a valid call for public accountability and transparency. When gov-corp behaviours ignore and override public accountability, they are running hidden or dark agenda, and setting the issue as outside permission to openly speak of for anyone in public office under penalty of being cancelled. That this incites a negative imagination is hardly surprising – and fearful imagination is – as covid demonstrates – a very powerful destructive influence.
Attack on Humanity is not the ‘nutters’ who are ‘incentivised’ to sign away our freedoms for personal privileges or under methods of duress that are not openly obvious, but the kind of thinking that is engaged in, tolerated and made currency of exchange. Humans – once defined in terms of invalidity can be treated like lab-rats. The narratives by which humans are induced to destroy their own medium of communication are ‘weaponised language’.
The belief that weaponised language is the way to get what we want over others we want to exclude rather than engage is the way human beings are excluded by the ultra rich networks of control that can and have and are operating us like pavlov’s dogs.
If we don’t want to be treated like lab rats, we have to uncover the resource that makes us truly human – rather than persist the polarised and polarising reactive ego of self in image.
I do wish as many people as possible would sign this petition. It won’t do any good, of course – except that it WILL show us that we’re not alone in how we feel about muzzles.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
I’m glad you did. It’s been there a while and is growing suspiciously slowly. Or is the word ”disappointingly”? Anyway – please share. It seems a good idea to get our voices heard.
Was just going to – but, apparently, I have already done so!
Done ages ago… :o))
Welcome back kh1485. I was getting worried, I thought the gloop had got to you!
The Berlin demo is ending but the police are chasing demonstrators through the woods of city centre the Tiergarten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAJLnLVU9HE
The way the German police were dressed (and acting) for the peaceful protest, it will probably end like a scene from ‘Defiance’. Police around the world increasingly military like in their uniforms and weaponry – just look at the Melbourne police.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/
Hi everyone, I was reading through the Swedish public health guidelines above. They are very reassuring to their people. They explain things and it is all very grown up. It’s quite like what is being implemented here but their aim is to ease the infections through the community whilst ours is ……..?????? No one knows.
What struck me is how careful they have been to keep conflict to a minimum and how different a place we are in. Our policy makers have people fighting over masks, have political parties point scoring above people’s health, our health service is almost broken, our economy is down the pan, businesses closed, unemployment, people can’t go to hospital, FEAR every where.
I suppose there must be some conflict in Sweden but they do so seem to have tried to be adult and caring.
Yes, Wendy, I do agree. From the beginning of all this, I have been appalled how little those at the Top seemed to care about informing, including, reassuring and generally encouraging us, the proletariat. How often did BJ speak directly to us? How often did someone speak to us, other than as a lecturer (thanks Prof Wittery and Mr Hancock) and then it was to tell us what we HAD to do, HAD to believe, HAD to be afraid of.
I got so fed up with it, I used to watch Mr Trump’s address to hear how positivity sounded, talking UP one’s country and fellow citizens (I don’t think BJ and his cohort consider us ”fellows” though) and imagining BJ addressing us every couple of days with some words of cheer and optimism.
I wasn’t a Trump fan but all this has me feeling it would be best if he does win.
What’s wrong with Joe Biden?
Wendy, I really hope you are right, but as someone living in Sweden, I can’t get rid of this nagging feeling that Sweden is being used as a ‘control group’ in a massive WHO/NWO experiment..and that eventually we will be forced by the WHO into ‘catch-up mode’.
I hope I’m wrong, but I can think of a lot of reasons why Sweden would be chosen for this..
Nick to Computer: cancel flight to Sweden, cancel house sale, cancel asylum claim transcript…
Are you just trusting me on this Nick, or shall I explain? I could be wrong in my theory…
It’s OK Carrie, it’s unlikely I’ll be emigrating anywhere anytime soon!
Gosh, Carrie! I said exactly the same thing a week or so ago! The same goes for NZ! And it’s unique…. Do you think They’re on to us?
What do you mean with regard to NZ? That their measures are the total opposite to Sweden’s, with everywhere else in the middle as regards agree of lockdown & measures taken? That NZ is also being used as a control, but at the opposite end of the spectrum? Ie:
Sweden – very few restrictions put on people
NZ – complete and draconian lockdown
I hope Sweden can stay strong Carrie for your sake and the world really. I think on here we are all so glad of Sweden
I’m very happy I am here and not in the UK at the moment, although all my family are in the UK so I am worried for them.
Given what the WHO’s website says about doing 2 ‘live exercises’ with regard to a lethal virus, I still worry though that we are a ‘control’ in an experiment.
Giesecke does have links to the WHO and he appointed Tegnell.
If you wanted a ‘control’ country, Sweden is a good one to choose for a number of reasons, particularly if you wanted a country that you could easily ‘bring into line’ at a later date:
So, if ‘they’ want to pull Sweden into line at a later date, a lot of tracking of the population is actually already happening here. So far, this is not used for nefarious purposes, but the possibility and technology are already in existence…
My God, I didn’t realise the net had closed in so much already, in Sweden.
It’s interesting, because the Swedes do respect people’s privacy – I’ve mentioned to people over here that if you apply for a job in the UK, a potential employer might look you up on social media to get a feel for what you are like as a person – and the Swedes seemed quite horrified about that.
People here often keep their social spheres (almost wrote ‘bubbles’ then, haha!) separate, so they might invite work friends over, but not people they know from a different part of their life, say, a sports club, at the same time.
And Sweden does have some systems in place to prevent misuse of access to information. For example, if you go into your medical notes, you can see which staff have looked at them and when, so a member of staff you are not currently consulting can’t just go into your notes without you being aware of it and, and therefore able to report them..
I think your right.
All good points…very few of us here deny this has been a difficult situation and that there have been hard choices
But spreading fear and hysteria was never the answer. Sweden, almost alone, has shown how best to construct s workable policy response.
A brilliant link here to an article about the VERY unreliable PCR test which is being used in most countries. The article quotes the inventor Kerry Mullis.
was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus
It’s mostly factually accurate but quite misleading. SARS2 is not a retrovirus and is quite different from HIV. I don’t think there’s much doubt that HIV does cause AIDS really anyway, but that’s a different debate. SARS2 does cause Covid-19 in some of the people it infects (and nothing else causes Covid-19 by definition).
What they say about the PCR test is true but misleading. You can easily end up with 80% of positives being false with any test that is less than 100% specific. It’s not really a valid criticism of the test but of the circumstances in which it’s being used and the way the results are interpreted.
It’s absolutely true that there’s no point testing asymptomatic people for SARS2 and getting exercised about the results. But the reasons why are more straightforward and don’t rely on some of the more far out theories like that viruses never cause disease etc.
It is true that there may be countless symbiotic endogenous retroviruses and this is an interesting theory. But SARS2 isn’t one of them. It’s a coronavirus and they give people colds. This is well established.
It’s fundamentally crazy to base all this COVID madness on the common cold right?
It is a new common cold and that does make it worse. But none of the nonsense helps which is the main point.
Just wondering – Toby’s “A Philosopher Writes ….” piece above: it states “(not AC Grayling, I should point out)”, but that’s who’s in the photo. Any ideas?
Is this a trick question? It’s AC Grayling…
No trick question, just wondering why he states it’s not ACG, even though that’s him in the photo. Maybe I’m missing something?
I assume the philosopher who contacted TY is a different bloke and TY is just pulling our leg…
It’s A C Grayling!
DavidC
He needed a pic of a philosopher
A nice report video by Carl Vernon of his day out yesterday
https://youtu.be/jjD5Y4G2d-s
8mins apologies if already posted.
Apologies if anybody has posted or remarked on this, but found this comment under Daniel Hannan’s article in the Telegraph. I think it’s worthy of discussion here:
Any thoughts?
I couldn’t have put it better myself! It is spot on.
Sadly I can’t agree. Mustn’t grumble. Well there you go. It is what it is. Oh well there are worse things at sea. Keep calm and carry on. Oh I dunno……
I think that’s a very astute observation and explains a lot. In Canada we don’t have a lot of travel options, and even within our own country there are provinces that require a 14-day quarantine from those out of province, so I can’t say people are traveling more. However, car use does seem back to normal and people are, indeed, meeting up, flocking to restaurants, cafes, etc. Activities that approximate “old” normal are attracting people and activities that are being subjected to “new” normal impositions are not. There’s no coherent reason for people to meet up with others at their homes, go to restaurants, but then refuse to use public transit or go back to the office. Perhaps there are more of us than meets the eye but these others are just voting with their wallets and feet rather than protesting or participating on sites like LS.
“independent-minded British people particularly dislike intrusive compulsory precautions”
Patently – a delusional load of old bollocks. The UK has adopted subservience like a comfortable old overcoat (that’s why we’re still a monarchy).
This sort of exceptionalist myth has always been a delusion that has hidden the real features of a distinctive national identity.
I think the emphasis here is on “independent-minded”. I take it to mean those British people who are independent-minded – the minority. I don’t think it means that British people as a race are independent-minded; clearly they aren’t.
No, a lot of us are just ignoring as much bullshit as we can and getting on with doing what we want to avoiding the places that try and get us to obey.
it’s the SJW terrified that are subservient.
That’s certainly what I’m doing. Much as I used to love browsing round the shops I don’t feel any incentive to now.
It’s all about incentives. If you are incentivised to stay at home (100% full pay for public sector and 80% for private sector), guess what, people will stay at home. Ig government was serious about senior civil servants and teachers returning to work, it would starve them out: no show, no pay. Will be interesting to see how this pans out in the autumn. In jobs where bonuses are important – such as The City – not sure how many will risk not being ‘present’ when decisions are being made (out of sight, out of mind).
Who do you think is administering the furlough scheme, briefing Ministers etc etc? SCS is at work, although some clearly don’t like what they’re being asked to do – see e.g. head of HMRC insisting on a Ministerial ‘letter of direction’ because he wouldn’t sign off the Eat Out to Help Out scheme as value for money. You’re right about presenteeism in the City though, blagging for bonuses is harder over Zoom.
Yes indeed. I am avoiding venues with stupid regulations only going to comfortable pubs, and restaurants. I am shopping as minimally as possible. I have a long list of things I would like to buy but I will keep my money until facemasks are stopped. I’ve been in a shop only 4 times since masks were mandated and with a bare face always. I won’t be going to cinemas or theatres or galleries or museums in a mask. Remove masks and I will be there straight away. How can we get it over to them!!!!
This is exactly what I’m doing. If a shop/pub/eatery makes life difficult, for any reason at all, I just go elsewhere. Very little discretionary spending is coming from my wallet!
Same here. By God, the people that depend on our discretionary spending are obtuse.
Same here Nick!
I looked on my local cinema website and they were gleefully saying how they were now open and how much they were doing (i.e. masks, sanitiser, one-way crap) “to keep you safe” so I wrote back on the contact form “I won’t be coming through your doors until you stop the mask requirement.” If they get more sceptical comments than customers, (very likely at the moment) then they’ll soon see which side of their vests the holes are coming from.
The same here, and it’s true for very nearly everyone I know. Money talks and at some point businesses will realise that normality is a way to attract customers, or so I hope.
Doesn’t take account of the zombies. What percentage of the total population are they, really?
Nailed it. I’m doing all of the above apart from anything that involves wearing a face gag, so shops and rail travel (transport I chose to use for work because I love trains) are out and outdoor markets, food deliveries and car use are in. Visits to family and friends (no stupid distancing), trips to our brilliant local pub and a couple of favourite eateries that are not track and trace nazis, are all ongoing. When things are normal – not ‘new’ dystopia – then I will be back in the shops and on the train. Until then they can stuff it.
Don’t think there’s many of those: independently minded British people
I hope he is right but I do think it is delusional bollocks.
The “British People” have been systematically ground into a bloody psychological pulp over the last 20 years deliberately with some of the finest brainwashing techniques know to mankind.
We are now, subservient, obedient, cowed, ignorant, lazy, fearful, demoralised, set against each other, totally divided, we hate each other, we are jealous of each other, we resent others with a passion for any number of reasons. Yer keep calm and carry on eh?
FFS.
But they won’t declare their manufactured emergency over will they?
Its a pretty accurate artical .I would say the main thing stopping us getting back to normal are the masks ,they are just so weird and antisocial .I cannot see how people can enjoy wearing them and don’t believe anyone does.I have never worn one myself but just know i would hate it and find it uncomfortable .I watch the people in the shops and everyone is in a rush ,they no longer browse .people come in grab what they need and leave as quick as possible .This will be the test when the shops realise their profits are down and start to put pressure on the goverment for the new normal. Also be interesting to see the difference between Wales and Englands shop profits in a month or two .
Technocracy Article (already mentioned a few times below). A must read for anyone that has been saying something else is driving this worldwide lockdown under the disguise of an epidemic.
Summary:
Personal Freedom Is the Enemy of TechnocracyWhat the technocrats are doing is making an end run around national sovereignty. Rather than a frontal assault on the system, which has never been successful, they’ve simply eroded national sovereignty piece by piece.
Copy of a comment to the linked article:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/30/patrick-wood-technocracy.aspx
I believe this to be true. Anyone who thinks government gives a crap about our health is living in a dream world. Liquor stores were deemed essential businesses — in Ontario the government has a monopoly on alcohol and sale of alcohol brings in a ton of money. Cola and junk food would be banned if the government gave a shit about our health. Real food would be subsidized if government gave a shit about our health. So yes, this is not about health at all, but you can convince people to do the most insane things if they think it’s to protect them and keep them “safe.”
And they don’t ban smoking because on average, it shortens smokers’ lives and saves paying for their pensions and care in old age.
I don’t think smoking has much of a future. It’s totally dystopian now with the tax and the palin packaging and the gastly pictures of throat cancers and death…yer they are banning it in a lot of places too now outside pubs. “to help those suffering from the Corona Virus”…
FFS
Don’t even get me started on the vaccine! People ask, “Do you think there will be a vaccine?” Of course there will be a vaccine — many in fact — but it will do great harm and be completely ineffective because a) there has never been a vaccine created for a coronavirus, and b) because Covid-19 will be all but gone and will become just another virus that circulates like the common cold viruses. I believe any doctor or public health official who has peddled the nonsense that we can only get back to normal with a vaccine is lying to cover their tracks — they know better. They all fucked up the response from the get-go, got scared at the hysteria they created and the economic devastation they wrought, doubled down on the “safety” measures to cover their tracks and try to reverse the damage done, and now promulgate the big lie that the vaccine is our only way out of this mess. The bar has been lowered so much for the unicorn vaccine that the FDA will approve it for use even if it’s only 50% effective (think flu vaccines). Then of course there’s the whole “health passport” scary stuff Bill Gates is pushing, which depends on huge uptake of the vaccine. So yeah, it’s all about control and not at all about health.
“Unbelievable: The CDC has quietly updated Covid number to admit only SIX PERCENT of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths.
94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses & overwhelming majority were of advanced age. Stunning. https://cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm”
https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1299902011622785024?s=20
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Nothing to add to that myself.
Brings UK’s down to about 2,500…
Please check and verify. It is headline worthy but perhaps I am missing something.
That would make sense – believe the figure for England, for Covid deaths without co-morbidities, is about 1390..
Yes, still sitting at 1,390 and has been for a while https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-27-August-2020-weekly-file.xlsx
Just had a look. Thanks for link.
Wow.
In line with Germany’s figures.
This is stunning! Rhetorical question: Why is this not the only news story in the MSM at the moment????
Because Trump’s tan. Trump’s hair. Trump’s fingers. Trump had a burger! Trump ate M&M’s! OMG Trump had a steak and put ketchup on it – that’s misuse of a condiment, the correct manner is to put the ketchup to the side and then add to the steak as and when is appropriate – impeach! But Trump! But Trump! BUT TRUMP!!!
We made that prediction when the Italian minister quoted the 12%.
Sadly I don’t think it’s a smoking gun because the narrative changed from ‘from covid’ to ‘with covid’ quite a while ago. This is just highlighting the difference between the two.
I accept the of/with change. The figures are huge in and of themselves. 6% of.
wow. I am numblexic but even this means something to me. Incredible, The lying scumbags.
Depends how you look at it. You can also tell from our ONS stats that a quarter of CV 19 deaths were of elderly people who also had dementia. That won’t kill you on its own, it’s a gradual general deterioration. So you might say those deaths were people ‘with’ dementia but ‘of’ CV19, if that’s what finally carried them off. Which if they had fever, breathlessness, CV19 symptoms in short, could be a reasonable assumption even if they hadn’t had a positive test. Especially if a number of others in the same care home had had +ve tests.
Alternatively, if said dementia sufferer fell and broke hip and died in the course of a hip replacement op, and had also had a CV19 +ve test beforehand in hospital, the surgeon (in UK, where there are no financial incentives to call it a CV19 death, unlike in US) would certify it as death ‘of’ the heart stopped variety, but would also have had to put CV19 on the cert, as it’s a notifiable disease, i.e. ‘with’ CV19.
The much smaller figures for both UK and US are people with NO other co morbidities – or at least, none recognised at time of death. Doesn’t mean they weren’t obese, or had undetected diabetes, heart condition etc. Johnson, had he died, might have been one of those certified as a CV19 only death, despite being self- confessedly overweight. The fact is, people routinely finally die ‘of’respiratory illnesses every year, and it’s interesting to know which sort is prevalent in any year.
Manhattan Exodus. Jason Goodman yt channel has a collection of wonderfully interesting walk about videos stretching back to the first days of lockdown. He documented the streets of New York throughout. Fasicnating record of the self inflicted demise of a great city.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBlSynguD0vYKPKc_SHzsqr_Z_TBl1jVv
Here is a current article from Zero Hedge discussing the disaster as it has unfolded in NYC.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nyc-landlords-wage-war-against-remote-working
“He said many offices in Midtown Manhattan are open but mostly empty as remote working has allowed employees to abandon the city for suburbia.
“This completely damages not only the economic eco-system of New York City…but what happens to your tax base when all of your workers can now live anywhere they want to in the country?” asked the fund manager.
“Altucher warned the situation is “only going to get worse” – as Wall Street firms are now considering a mass exodus.”
This is a problem coming to every city.
Yes the Jason Goodman ‘Crowdsource The Truth’ channel has provided a great insight into real life on the streets in New York since March – not the fake MSM coverage (Lincoln Karim Channel – exposed the empty hospitals and unused Central Park hospital – it looked like a scam to frighten people). He also has some very interesting guests on his show, a good watch if you are interested in the US election over the next few months.
Was talking to a guy running office space and he mentioned the idea that people will work in an office closer to home. It’s called the Hub and Spoke model. Smaller (10 people) offices that link into the main office, set up in the suburbs or regional towns.
Office culture comes back, social interactions are there but there’s less travel.
One other aspect of all this, is that a company has every right not to raise pay for some for a few years since the costs of travel have been deducted. Expect to see this in the coming months if you don’t get let go
Airbnb of office space is a start up here. Same concept. Temp accomodation for businesses. To be clear its not airbnb but describes the concept well.
Indeed. Home working, now, has taken “ordinary”workers back to late 18th century piece-work models. I cannot see how the ordinary worker benefits from having to pay his own heating, lighting etc. And employers liability decreases too. Win-win for the employers.
18th century piece-work with the added issue that competion for your role is global. Wonderful how the internet brings us together.
Yes, and I doubt home-workers will be able to claim tax relief for lighting and power etc, whilst their employer will save by not having to pay rent and bills on an office. People will just be told ‘you’re lucky to still have a job’, and they won’t complain or they will be replaced by cheaper employees who may not even be based in the UK)
Yes they can, in UK:
https://www.gov.uk/tax-relief-for-employees/working-at-home
The employer and employee have to ensure that the employer requires it, not that the employee chooses it, shouldn’t be too hard to arrange.
You win by 11 seconds!
Yours is a better link!
https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis–working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus–claim-p6-wk-/
Will that still be the case if/when they declare the pandemic over?
Yes, as long as you are being told to work from home as it is your main place of work.
Employees can claim tax relief for all you’ve specified.
Most employers won’t be saving anything as they’re tied into lease agreements for the office property, telephone lines, leased data lines, business rates, air con, server rooms, etc.
Home workers claim tax relief in job expenses. Can be done by either SA or filling in a P87.
Costs of travel have nothing to do with people’s wages so completely unjustified. Many people live closer to the workplace than others yet you do not see variations in wages for two people doing the same job based on on the distance they live from the office.
The new normal. Yer it won’t be so good working from home when you live in a one bedroom flat and your camera on your laptop turns it’s self on at 8:00 am with AI expecting you to sign in for the day. Obviously disabling your camera will be a instantly sack-able offence. When the AI monitors every thing you do and every word you type and your pay is adjusted according to home many emails you write, links you click, which links you click on, how long you spend on any page. If you type anything that isn’t within parameters, or view anything that you shouldn’t you will be reprimanded…
yer working form home is great!
Except they do this to you in the office, too.
On the bright side with all that monitoring taking place it won’t take long for AI to learn tge job entirely and then remove the position from the human. AIs are currently learning in the health profession as an example.
Bright side .. being sarcastic of course.
Oh ok, I thought you were serious.
AI as good as it is, for this kind of monitoring and for detecting security threats still needs a human to actually interpret it, you still can’t beat someone’s gut feeling!
Yes, it is very easy to do anyway with modern software.
Horrifying…
I have lots of vendors pushing this at me to sell at the mo, and I am now starting to get a lot of enquiries from businesses and organisation looking to implement this as they make the move away from the office permanent.
Me too, I have been spammed by a few companies that sell software like this and want me to be a re-seller, its very scary what it can do.
Welcome to the 4th industrial revolution.I sometimes think this whole thing is just a big experiment to see how we cope and react to life when it really takes hold and a lot of the population lose their jobs to A I.
The whole surveillance state being set up on the back of it will help to control the population as it adjusts to the new normal.
According to the Daily Never-Fails-To-Overegg-It, the country is set for the coldest August bank holiday EVER, as we head towards a “Polar Pluinge” before temperatures “soar” to 26C next week…
Temperatures where I am, in southern England, are forecast to reach 17C this weekend, rising to around 20C next week. Am I living on a different planet?!
No, you aren’t. They are.
Every headline is a polar freeze followed by a tropical heatwave. That’s just in one afternoon.
Of course in the Express there’s the
“Boris about to cave into Barnier” headline
next to the
“Barnier about to cave into Boris” headline
Tomorrow
NEIL FERGUSON: MORE THAN 67 MILLION BRITS WILL DIE (in the next 100 years)
Me: Ferguson will die.
I’m actually surprised none of those responsible have come to any physical harm, no one seems to have even been milk-shakes or ‘egged’, doesn’t even seem like anyone has sent them dodgy parcels or anything. Or if it’s happened we haven’t heard about it..
it’s because these fuckers can’t go anywhere without an armed escort and they are never allowed out in public.
Good.
“Polar Plunge” came at me from a radio on Friday. Does the Met office brief the verbage?
I hope not – I’d expect a bit more from the Met office…
Or a bit less I should say!
Failing daily may have listened to same forecast as I.
Sky have been going greenrecovery in relation to weather forecasts in recent days. They somehow know the weather of today is related directly to climate change which in turn requires a green recovery from covid. It is nonsensical stupidity with bells on and a lemon on top. But the unreality reality they weave encompasses every element of life in western countries. Sorry I drifted into vague ranting.
Following a link to the Mail article, I spotted this one:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678603/Furious-business-chiefs-MPs-slam-Rishi-Sunaks-30billion-tax-raid.html
Driving the economy into recession is killing more people than Covid ever could: Risk management expert PHILIP THOMAS says the greatest danger to Britain is our empty shops, offices and factories
Today, millions remain too frightened to leave their homes, spooked into a hermit-like existence.
Meanwhile, Health Secretary Matt Hancock stokes the flames of fear, raising the prospect of a ‘second wave’ – for which there is little evidence – while warning of extensive local lockdowns, even over Christmas.
…. Respected analysts say Britain’s Covid infection continues to shrink, that hospitalisation rates have plummeted and that those who do require urgent treatment are mostly making full recoveries.
…. But the key is that we now face the consequences of the actions we are taking. By failing to reopen the economy, we are killing people.
If the MSM start featuring more like this, we might be in with a chance!
Let’s so hope businesses speak up. I can’t see them letting Hancock close things down again without a fight and I am sure people will ignore any new lockdowns
I heard an advert on the radio today saying its time to get back to shopping safely go to blabh blabh blabh to find out more about retuning to normal safely…and another poster at a bus stop, “it’s time to get back to what we love, GET TESTED” guv.uk
Good evening sceptics, next week I will register for my last year of university. Under no illusions but caved after I couldn’t get work. They’re currently planning a remote “preparation” block for three weeks before each of three terms, when they’ll supposedly have some in-person options. Probably bait and switch to go fully remote. TBH I’d sooner have that than the wretched hygiene theatric dystopia I was expecting to have to try to avoid for a year.
If it was my first year I’d say screw this and just do OU.
Maybe don’t sign up for any university-provided accommodation, in case they impose quarantining or other rules on it? Good luck!
I agree with that advice — stay away from on-campus accommodation. The only reason my daughter went back to uni is because she’s in her own apartment off campus and won’t be subjected to lockdowns or other intrusive shit.
Not just on-campus accommodation – avoid any accommodation provided by, or booked through, the university..
Good luck, DRW. You’ll be fine doing it remotely for your last year.From what I gather, university students barely get any one to one tutor time now – it may even be better having a phone or Zoom conversation with a tutor – no face gags to wear on campus either.
I did a Masters at Leicester 20 years ago completely remotely. Was fine. Go remote & you’ll find other ways to compensate for the social side of things – we’re all having to do that anyway.
A Ma bastardization aster’s is a completely different kettle of fish compared with a first degree.
Remote ‘learning’, although it has its place, is a bastardization of the process, pushed by Microsoft and the Big Tech industries.
Sorry about the interruption in the first line – one of the failures of the technology I’m talking about.
Good luck on your final year and I echo the advice here – stay away from university accommodation.
Thanks and don’t worry, I still live at home anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM
https://www.healthpassportireland.ie/the-roqu-gropu
This is what it is all about, folks!
I feel sick.
You bet!
Do you think people will tolerate this?
I suspect far too many would actually welcome it.
Not if it’s made compulsory…
Me too – this gets more scary by the day.
“Built in Ireland by the” … Fuck You group. Good the little childish animation has emerald green all over the place so I know this is wholesome and Irish. Without those visual clues I would be thinking swastikas and clinical experimentation.
an especially wholesome Irish lady’s voice over too.So soothing.I am longing to comply.
‘Lol Good luck with that … this isn’t China’ reads one comment.
Everything in that presentation is calculated including the ginger cat matching the ginger hair. Propaganda at it’s most sickly.
Let the hackers get hacking that system. What if you don’t have £200€ to spare on the tech. Technocracy is knocking on the door.
Exactly! I posted about this earlier, but couldn’t find the links I saw yesterday, so thanks for posting them!
It”s a private company though, testing the waters
I’m pretty sure this is fake. I think it’s someone having a bit of fun, hoping it will go viral (so to speak) and knowing that it will drive some people up the wall. There’s a few of these, and they’re not quite right. Such a ‘corporation’ would be dealing directly with the government behind the scenes, not via a public Youtube video open to comments. If this were real, they wouldn’t be selling it direct to the public at all.
Yes, considering it more, I think you’re right. In any case, it would be useless until or unless there’s a vaccine.
RTE https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0828/1161819-new-health-passport-ireland-app-to-help-manage-testing/
ROQU group. RTE the bbc of Ireland. It’s real.
…and as many other links as you like covering the story.
The Health Passport Ireland system will soon be used in many countries Worldwide.
This solution now gives all of us a common system to use during our international travels.
No matter where your test is performed worldwide, this can now be safely and securely updated into your private Health Passport account.
This is vital for passengers departing and arriving into Ireland.
From the ROQU website.
The second link is to their website, and the health passport will be going into trial. Why invest the money developing this if there is little chance of it being used?
They claim that they will be rolling it out in US, UK, Italy, Kenya and Germany, with other locations to follow. Totally plausible. Surely Hancock would love this.
It’s real Kate. There are lots of sources talking about the development. I wonder if there is legislation required to get the ‘tested anywhere’ aspect working or if that is already in place.
Previously, I would have assumed that new legislation would need to be passed. But after the last six months I do not feel I understand anything anymore!
Good question – another Statutory instrument on the way if not?
Health passports have been touted as a solution to Covid for a while.The ultimate aim is that you have a tattoo implanted that would carry your vaccine history on you,so there would be no way of circumventing the system.
Seems outlandish but nothing surprises me anymore
Brought to you by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
This is terrifying. Talk about big brother is watching.
I hope these muppets get FLAMED!
That’s what you call ratioed
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1984 stuff
It looks almost identical to the Chinese one!
Likely modelled on it..
You need to get a test every two weeks to keep yourself IN THE GREEN. Brilliant.
Dennis Prager: Lockdowns Are the GREATEST MISTAKE in World History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvSswNG6fg
A robber caught trying to rob
Had a face nappy over his gob.
And to his surprise
He was praised to the skies
By a credulous, zombified mob.
Incredibly stupid story on my homepage about asymptomatic spread on an airplane. I know airplane toilets are gross, but this strains credulity. Ooooo, she got Covid because she took her mask off to go to the toilet! Sounds like she got a cold after being on a long flight, like most of us have experienced in our lives, but was transferred to hospital with her cold symptoms? Is there any science behind this at all? This is the crap that is now being published in scientific journals.
Scientists from Soonchunhyang University in Seoul have revealed a woman is likely to have caught the infection while onboard a flight with a passenger who showed no signs of the coronavirus. The woman reportedly wore a mask while onboard, except when using the toilet, which is known to have also been used by one of the asymptomatic passengers.
The woman sat three rows away from the same asymptomatic individual. “Given that she did not go outside and had self-quarantined for three weeks alone at her home in Italy before the flight and did not use public transportation to get to the airport, it is highly likely her infection was transmitted in the flight via indirect contact with an asymptomatic patient,” the scientists wrote in the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases. She reported coughing, rhinorrhea [a runny nose] and myalgia [muscle pain] on quarantine day eight, and was transferred to a hospital on quarantine day 14. The scientists concluded the most plausible explanation for the transmission of [the coronavirus] to a passenger on the aircraft is she became infected by an asymptomatic but infected passenger while using an onboard toilet. It is unclear why the other passengers did not catch the infection.
That last sentence is amazing.
Couldn’t they gave been bothered to come up with some long drawn explanation as they did for the positive case? No need really, they’d already made their point
This is bought and paid foe fear mongering science, but Johnson and Hancock will love it.
‘ It is unclear why the other passengers did not catch the infection.’ – because she didn’t get the infection from using that toilet!!
She probably got the infection as a result of touching her face when putting on or taking off the dammed mask!
or from the chip & pin machine when getting a sandwich just before getting on the plane?
Asymptomatic means a false positive CPR test
Science and “the science” are two very different fields.
Maybe it goes back to that theory that it is spread by touching, especially as it was from the loo? Someone posted a link in the last couple of days about it.
She can’t have been the only person on the flight who used the toilet – as the last sentence indirectly points out!
“Aeroplane bugs” are par for the course. She had a poor immune system is all.
If you fly
Do not drop by
At the loo,
‘Cause if you do
The Bug will come
Right up your bum
And strangle you.
All this is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvesu6oK4rU
It took less than 15 hours to demoralise.p Britain on23 March.
I was against the lock down from the start as I saw no obvious reason for it, apart from media hysteria. I had already read a report that said the reported deaths from Covid 19(84) in Italy were about the same as flu in Italy 2 years previously.
I was willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt but they have just been so slow returning to normal. It was obvious the whole would go close to zero by summer which would have been the perfect time to open everything up completely.
Today 1 reported death and yet Matt Hancock talks of further lock down.
Incredible isn’t it? He still won’t stop the threats. Total megalomaniac.
Switzerland: Protesters against COVID measures flood Zurich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMklRd__qoE&frags=pl%2Cwn
Come Toby – organise some lock down Sceptic protest for next weekend
It could be a pincer movement:
Toby in England – Fraser in Scotland
Hawaii rolling out mandatory COVID-19 testing checkpoints on major Oahu highway… with mandatory vaccines and quarantine camps soon to follow
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-30-hawaii-mandatory-covid-19-testing-checkpoints-highway.html
Quarantine camps? Like in NZ?
Free speech org launches public push to change law protecting Big Tech censorship
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-30-free-speech-org-launches-public-push-censorship.html
You’ll love this
Nigel Farage meets Douglas Murray | Stepping Up with Nigel Farage #3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQmgP61LUI
Just reading up on the fun police flexing their new powers:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-16310000-fines-issued-to-eight-people-over-illegal-gatherings-12059943
This little tit-bit at the bottom:
Presumably, that’s Corbyn senior?
Vaccines Revealed (free viewing)
Dr. Patrick Gentempo has been digging into the hidden truth behind a huge health concern. As a healthcare provider, he found that the whole story wasn’t being told… and it needs to be told.
Big Pharma has monopolized this industry and successfully CENSORED the risks it’s exposing you to! This exclusive docu-series event will be broadcasted for 9 days only. Don’t miss this series starting September 8.
https://www.vrevealed.com/trailer/
Anyone who fancies a gander at the vaccine trials ..latest updates here
https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccines
WHO also disclaims any and all liability or responsibility whatsoever for any death, disability, injury, suffering, loss, damage or other prejudice of any kind that may arise from or in connection with the procurement, distribution or use of any product included in any of these landscape documents.
This is the important bit.
Interesting that ‘death’ is the first thing on the list…
Disclaims is fine. But can we hold them to account with our law. If not they have no place in any governmental procedure.
Varies by country, see WHO summary:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/5/10-081901/en/
In EU, Sanofi case allows liability in some circs, not so in US. (Changing that will no doubt be a prize to be fought over by US pharma in the post Brexit trade deal.)
See also the discussion with TT below, on how a ‘serious breach’ by an unlicenced vaccine might be dealt with, in proposed changes to the law currently under consultation.
The US granted blanket liability to vaccine manufacturers in 1986. The vaccine injury court has paid out over $4 billion since then, which is a drop in the bucket as it’s nearly impossible to get your case heard, let alone win. The pharma companies were losing money hand over fist defending against injury claims and told the government they were going to get out of the vaccine business altogether unless they were granted blanket liability. So if anyone thinks they’ll be protected from an adverse reaction, think again.
A tale of two shops… Earlier today I went to Aldi in Cambridge. 95% of people wearing masks, including some kids. I was maskless – no issues from anyone – tried my best to smile at people and be normal. This evening, just popped to local Spar to buy bread I had forgotten earlier. 70% NOT wearing masks, including some middle-aged types who typically have masks. These two shops 1/2 mile from each other. Not sure what is going on. Maybe the difference is time of day? Has anyone else noticed any different between compliance during day and in evening?
Most evening shoppers will be on their own, I think, might explain something
Maybe the difference in perception between shopping in a ‘national’ and shopping in a ‘local’?
Just been to a Tesco Express. All 7 or 8 customers I saw were muzzled plus the cashier. All younger people.
I popped into my local shop to use the cash machine on Friday afternoon. 4 customers – three barefaced, one bemuzzled, all chatting happily with barefaced cashier, no perspex.
Yes, I have noticed that after dark there are other people than me maskless in supermarkets. The thrill of the night! The rebels come out. But there’s also a strong class effect I think: it appears to me that the middle-class supermarkets I would visit during the day are 100% masked whereas shops I would pop in to late in the evening tend to be more working class and I’m not the only unmasked person there. Plus there are just fewer numbers of people out at that time, so the community surveillance effect is reduced. Plus alcohol – drunk people barrelling gaily around Asda at 11 pm are not masking up before entering.
Tonight live at 9:30, Mark Windows. With live chat!
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
How the Coronavirus Hoax has Permanently Destroyed Health Care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud2tw5Dsh5o
A list of items my Grandchildren may no longer take to school on Wednesday
School bag
Books
Pens or Pencils
Pencil case
Lunch Box
All they can take is a bottle of water
They are not allowed to change after PE so must stay in sweaty PE kit all day
Absolute insanity
How will they write or have their lunch?
Without a school bag how will they carry the cricket bat required for cracking their lunatic headteacher around the lughole?
That would be a more plausible reason for banning the school bag!
I think lunch can be taken in a disposable bag , school will provide pens etc
And then they spend the last 20minutes sanitizing every pen they used?
Should the education budget not be spent on something more useful?
Madness! No lunch then either? How old are they? Do they have to wear masks?
They have to take lunch in a throwaway bag . No masks as the at Primary
No playing with children outside their class either
But they’ll go home and play out with other kids in the street who may well go to a different school. Total nonsense.
Kids around my area have been out playing together since June
Sorry cannot uptick this madness! Hence the downtick! Any more back to school stories out there?
My daughter’s secondary school have many new rules.
One of them: each year group will have designated outside area for lunch break.
I said to her that they would be there in any weather. She said Not if it is raining. I said Even when it’s raining as that’s what happened on a Scottish school.
She didn’t believe me.
But they care more about the rules than children.
Another rule: masks in corridors and communal areas. They will have to bring a plastic bag to keep their mask in. School will not provide masks. I am so angry about it.
The UsForThem website has a template letter you can send and lots of advice…
Thank you
I will send a letter from this site to the school.
This is corroborate by other accounts in press and no doubt elsewhere. It is neglect of their duty of care. Children would be put in care if families acted this way. Heck, a dog would be seized if treated in the same way.
Keep a diary for use in actions later.
Such a clever virus that doesn’t attack children in the classroom only in corridors and communal areas.Who makes this stuff up?
Similar for my niece. Each child has a box of stationery on their own table (no sharing under pain of who knows what) and lunch is provided.
Overly empowered IDIOTS are making these insane rules up as they go along now. Madness.
You are not having us on are you?
No, my daughter just messaged to tell me
How is staying in sweaty clothes all day conducive to public health – particularly in winter. Sure fire way of getting colds and flu. Why have the basic tenets of good health been abandoned. Are parents ok with this?
Looks like its sweaty clothes ,sweaty masks and a plastic bag thrown in for good measure for incubation purposes.
Modern PE is a box ticking exercise and if children do any at all at school they won’t be working up a sweat.
Many are not. Many Facebook groups popping up with advice on how to challenge schools, stock letters and tactics to disrupt the process.
I see this as one of the primary catalysts for many out there to start waking up to the con, if they haven’t done so already. As, when their kids go back and these draconian rules are being enforced, this con directly now impacts their life. People live with blinkers on and parents are busy people and they maybe only have the space to follow lightly what is actually happening. The con is going to hit them square in the face now.
At that point you’ll have two types. Those that will dig their hole deeper but many will begin to question and seek out the truth.
If this does not happen, then I fear this is only going to get worse before it gets better. I’d give it a month of children being back at school before we know which way the tide will likely be turning.
Are these local groups or national?
Those FB Groups I am part of are Ireland Breathes Free (Republic of Ireland) and Save Our freedom (Northern Ireland).
Thanks!
UsForThem are a good group to get involved with – lots of advice to be found via them https://usforthem.co.uk
They have a whole section devoted to letters…
Thanks!
I don’t know why they can’t change after PE , bonkers to make them sit in sweaty kit all day. Can’t speak for all , my daughter thinks its total lunacy but my Grandaughter just wants to see her friends and get back to school. So they will put up with it .
Insanity indeed! Who dreams this stuff up?
This is ridiculous. If anything will ensure that a child falls ill is not being allowed to change from their PE clothes into fresh ones.
It’s the same in South Lanarkshire in Scotland. Parents initially thought the kids were trying it on to avoid wearing their uniform but it’s sadly true that if a child has PE then they have to go to school in their PE kit and wear it all day. It’s because the changing rooms are closed which is complete nonsense. If the kids are sitting 30 to a classroom all day then how is changing for PE any more likely to spread the virus? Some kids are getting round it by taking their uniforms and changing in the toilets. There was also an incidence last week where they couldn’t do PE as it was raining (PE can only be done outside now!?) so the whole class just sat mucking about for an hour. Honestly, you couldn’t make this up.
Yes I’ve heard similar stories through friends.. schools risk-assessing and terrified about the odds of covid infection – well what about the odds of a young child doing PE, maybe gymnastics, jumping on a springboard that propels them too far in the air & they hit their head on something? (been there!) what about the odds of a young boy slipping on a pummel horse & injuring himself in a most inappropriate place?! sounds risky to me…maybe the schools need to re-assess!
Science club use to be all about EXPLOSIONS for us at lunchtime. One particularly memorable demonstration of hydrogen and oxygen exploding broke a roof tile. We were allowed to play with javelins and discuss too. They use to make us go running in -4 deg C for miles, surprised we did’nt freeze to death, and don’t ask about playing RUGBY. That hurt.
Swiss Policy Research (Hopefully the link works)
https://62058f2a-6abe-467d-8520-cdd1ccfa515b.filesusr.com/ugd/29a25e_055b73b6c8d6457cb75ff9dde038e8ea.pdf
Swiss Policy Research Geopolitics and Media Facts about Covid-19 Updated: July 2020;
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.08142.pdf
Persistent heterogeneity not short-term overdispersion determines herd immunity to COVID-19“Persistent heterogeneity has three important consequences compared to the effects of short-term overdispersion: (1) It results in a major modification of the early epidemic dynamics; (2) It significantly suppresses the herd immunity threshold; (3) It also significantly reduces the final size of the epidemic”
“In the context of the COVID-19 epidemic, this mapping suggests that the worst-case FSE(final size epidemic) may be significantly smaller than expected from classical homogeneous models.”
This is for mathematicians. But I think classical homogenous model was Ferguson’s model which seems old fashioned now.
I don’t think Ferguson’s paper was quite as simple as the classical homogeneous model, but for what it’s worth, I wrote my own SIR code using the classical model, and came to similar figures to Ferguson. Indeed, in a homogenous model the herd immunity threshold is 1/(1-R0) since the virus will continue to spread while the average number of susceptibles encountered remains above 1. This paper is one of several to investigate what happens if the population is assumed to be subdivided into classes with different characteristics (and for what it’s worth I too looked at the effect of geographical dispersion). The difficulty in using such models for other than illustrative purposes is that they have too many parameters. It’s hard to get useable values for the parameters for these subpopulations in time to give a useful prediction or estimate. FSE may indeed be smaller than expected from classical homogenous models, for a variety of reasons, some of which, such as a level of pre-existing immunity, can be accommodated within those “classical” models, and some, such a different subpopulations can not.
???
I think that Ferguson’s, at its core, is the classic “First Lecture on Modelling” toy SIR model.
It seems to me that these new modifications to that model (heterogenous susceptibility, etc.) are an attempt to turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse – I even think this a little bit about Sunetra Gupta’s work (although I’m a fan). It undoubtedly gets closer to the truth, but it’s still a bit pseudoscientific.
If we listen to actual immunologists, we should realise that the SIR model is, to put it mildly, a vast oversimplification; suitable as a GCSE level educational tool only.
As such, its results are worse than useless. A factor of ten error would just be the start of it. Its accompanying assumption that ‘immunity’ is synonymous with antibodies and nothing else (which we know Imperial College believes) is another aspect that is so far off the truth as to be a tragic joke.
These toy models are dangerous. So dangerous, in fact, that Neil Ferguson may have ended Western civilisation single-handedly. He may, in the end, have inflicted more damage on the world than a nuclear war.
There’s no such assumption in the SIR model, and indeed there cannot be, since it makes no assumption at all about the reason for immunity. It models a process.
I’m curious to know what this “factor of ten error” is: is it referring to the SIR model or something else?
The problem is that predictive models are generally pretty useless – toys to play with rather than serious tools for real world epidemics. The more variables, the greater the potential error. Anyone who has done prediction from a theoretical model knows how rapidly the error margins diverge in real time. If they don’t know it, then they shouldn’t be allowed to play with fire.
I can show you a very simple model for predicting mortality. But if I told you how many deaths will happen during this coming season, you should ignore me and certainly not employ me in any serious role. And I bet I’d be more accurate than Ferguson!
Well, that’s a matter of experience. The question is, what use do you want to put them to? In the case of the famous 510,000 estimate, the question was, what happens if we do nothing. The answer is not about exactly how many people die: the consistent answer from different models and different inputs based on what was known at the time can be summed up as “too many plus collapse of the health service”. Even in the light of hindsight we would only revise that 510,000 down to, say, 200,000 and collapse of the health service. That’s still the same answer: too many. So the do-nothing policy was not chosen. Whether the policy that was chosen was or is a good or bad one is another matter: this site is dedicated to that discussion, of course.
The main flaw was the estimated high IFR.In Feb from China you could see a lower IFR and the peculiar high burden in elderly and almost unaffected children the opposite of the Spanish flu.Prof Giesecke’s decision not to accept Fergussson’s prediction model was the right one.WHO deliberate attempt to play down asymptomatic infections in the beginning was another disaster, fueling the suspcion of a China led campaign of disinformation and spreading the complete new concept of lockdown to punish competing economies.
The evidence from Manaus and Guayaquil still puts it at 0.6%-1%.
Had to laugh at TFL’s hypocrisy when they put up posters exhorting passengers to “Be Kind” then have more manipulative and threatening ones regarding mandatory masking.
Whoever thought of these posters are obviously tone deaf and to paraphrase that saying kindness begins at home so maybe they should remove those mask posters and go back to the drawing board with them.
Yeah hate those as well, it’s all lies and simply to display other’s moral superiority.
“Be Kind” the go-to emotional push for global Communitarianism
I always have the urge to punch people who go “be kind” or “choose kindness” or any variation thereof.
‘Stay safe’ is the worst. Meaningless.
The zombie equivalent of ‘Heil Hitler’.
The best reply to that insult is ” Stay Sane”
I’m afraid whenever I saw one of those cars with a “Little Princess on Board” car sticker in the rear window I wanted to ram the car.
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/viral-rna-load-as-determined-by-cell-culture-as-a-management-tool-for-discharge-of-sars-cov-2-patients-from-infectious-disease-wards/
“Correlation between successful isolation of virus in cell culture and Ct value of quantitative RT-PCR targeting E-gene suggests that patients with Ct above 33-34 are not contagious and thus can be discharged from hospital care.”
US and NYT have discovered false pos PCR. Didier Raoult wrote about this in March. But for US hubris not relevant. First article about this in terms of HCQ treatment.Second Didier Raoult is French
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.10.20171413v1
High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in care homes affected by COVID-19; a prospective cohort study in England
“RT-PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2 significantly underestimates the true extent of an outbreak in institutional settings. Elderly frail residents and younger healthier staff were equally able to mount robust and neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2. More than two-thirds of residents and staff members had detectable antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 irrespective of their nasal swab RT-PCR positivity or symptoms status.”
Those frail elderly seemed to have produced good antibody response similar to the care staff in this London study.Strange
That is very interesting. If only that could be told to care homes they would not feel so afraid and yet I have no hope this government will do so. Very sad.
Question to @Victoria and fellow sceptics who are knowledgeable about vitamin supplements:
Mr Bart and I take one of those A-Z multivitamins but are concerned about the coming few months. We want to ensure that we avoid catching colds.
I know that Vitamins C. D and zinc are important in keeping the body healthy during autumn and winter, my question is do we take these alongside our regular multivitamin tablet and what brands would you recommend?
Take vitamin K2-MK7 if you’re taking Vitamin D – and make sure it’s vitamin D3.
Take them at different times.
Mercola.com has good advice on what to take, and why. You do not need to buy from there, the supplements mentioned can be bought in the UK. If you don’t mind buying online, try Higher Nature or BigVits.co.uk – the latter has a particularly huge range and is very reasonably priced.
Thanks. Just checking the sites out.
Highly recommend these. Been taking for 18 months now and not so much as a sniffle. Cleared my psoriasis also:
https://wearefeel.com/products/essential-multivitamin
The last review of the evidence that I read suggested that Vitamin C is a waste of money – but D and Zinc have some potential benefit.
They’re always trashing vitamin c – because it works and its unpatentable.
The argument is usually that it goes straight through.That’s true if you take a high dose that your body doesn’t need.
However, if you’re under stress, have allergies or are fighting an infection, you take “to bowel tolerance”. If your body needs it you’ll be surprised how high a dose you can take.
I would recommend Cytoplan. https://www.cytoplan.co.uk/organic-vitamin-c. Quite a few vitamin companies have been bought out by pharmaceutical companies so best avoided. I’m not sure which ones though but I do know that Cytoplan is owned by a charitable organisation and has been really well regarded by nutritionists for years. You can contact their nutritionists via email to ask about what vitamins and minerals to take.
Cytoplan do a Vit D3 and K2 supplement but I think you’re only meant to take it to get your levels up and then move on to one of their multivitamins. Best to check with them directly though and their advice is free.
I wouldn’t. The cheapest does the same as the most expensive. Don’t fall for the marketing b*llshit.
A famous actor once said “They say that love is blind, apparently it is also deaf” – perhaps that’s the appeal of Matt Wancock, Mrs Wancock simply plays blind and deaf.
https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1299316220328640512/photo/1
Fergusson and others said we should have an even earlier lockdown. Peru is the best evidence what happens with an earlier lockdown together with military lockdown masks and visir. Mother Nature has already given us an evidence what happens. This should be shown to all saying we should have had an earlier lockdown (Peru now have the highest C-19 mortality in the world)
Unfortunately the argument that we locked down too late tends to accompany any potentilaly helpful lockdown criticism that gets into the media.
That claim says as much as needs to be said about Fergusson’s false claim to be a scientist.
Swiss Policy Research Geopolitics and Media Facts about Covid-19 Updated: July 2020; – Please share
https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/
Just checked into an article by Janet Daley yesterday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/wests-response-covid-shows-have-succumbed-medieval-mass-neurosis/
I’d commented this afternoon that she must be on the nail because the trolls were out in force.
One commenter had 26 upticks this afternoon. 1 now!
Janet Daley is nearly always right on the nail…
“In short, this epidemic has done him proud. He is happily at one with all around him, with their superstitions, their groundless panics, the susceptibilities of people whose nerves are always on the stretch”.
Cottard – the only character from Albert Camus’ The Plague who REVELS in the situation. Could equally apply to Matt Hancock.
Cottard, the Collaborator, the plague’s accomplice: ‘Because an accomplice is obviously what he is and he revels in it.’
Hangcock to the life.
Good reference.
Apparently Piers Corbyn has got a £10,000 fine for organising an illegal demonstration (no fines for BLM or Extinction Rebellion obviously) does he have a crowd funder to help fight this?
Were there really no fines for BLM and ER??! If so then surely the fining is arbitrary and therefore illegal, isn’t it??!
Not heard of any.
I’m sure there weren’t…as far as I know, and despite video of violent BLM activists propelling bikes forward to hit Police horses, don’t think anyone was charged.
The fine will be under the latest SI that came into force the day before the protest.
I was down in Parliament Square yesterday where the BLM lot were having a convenient protest at the end of our march. More than 30 of them, and the TSG police between them and us. No arrests apparently and therefore no fines.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/piers-corbyn-fined-arrested_uk_5f4bf36cc5b6cf66b2b978db/
That report is a right hatchet job making it seem like a bunch of looneys there, and that only 1000 attended.
Fascists rule. OK?
My reaction to the media reporting of the London Protests – 30.8.20 – Anna Brees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYdm_3hu_UY
Anna Brees 9th August 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJKDG–vBOA
Mercy Wolf, 58, Care Worker, Sydney, Australia. 9th August 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZOsOaQkqGc
Anna Brees was also a guest on TalkRADIO from about 22:15 on Saturday night:
Select the 22:00 to 22:30 segment on listen again.
Anna Brees on TalkRADIO
I watched the Carl Heneghan interview.
He did very well. But, the way that the questions were put to him in this classic MSM way of trying to put bad words in his mouth sums up why I watch zero TV current affairs programmes these days. They are all just trying to sensationalise everything. Zero attempt to debate the issues, the data and the theory but just nonsense such as: “what do you think government scientists would think of your views”, or “what would you say to teachers”. These are not useful or smart questions. Terrible bunch of people. You Tube interviews by people such as Ivor Cummins or Freddy Gray are so much more informative.
The various You Tube clips from France and Germany do suggest though that they have a much more intellectual and less sensational TV media. Am increasingly ashamed of this country. Sadly. I think we almost deserve the appalling government that we now have,
German TV media less hysterical?? They are liers, withholding information, cutting reports very short so they can only broadcast the MS opinion. Re the demonstration at the weekend, everyone is ONLY talking about them being politically on the right. I have watched the live stream for 2 days, the people attending are mostly the usually silent majority who would never go to a demo, middle aged blue collar people. I saw a lack of very young people. Sad.
https://rationalground.com/new-cdc-guidelines-are-aligned-with-science/
A good short article stating that mass testing asymptomatic of no use(both false pos and old cases with no viable virus) and surveillance of CLI is better reflecting circulating virus in the population
Thanks. A good article about the science surrounding PCR testing, and not overly technical – the issues are clearly explained. Recommended reading for all sceptics.
interesting … BBC 10pm news leads on protests in Belorus. Pro plucky protesters against a bad president and government
Compare sparse coverage of Berlin protests of bad protesters against sensible government and none existent coverage of London protests.
Oh and they also feature protests of good BLM protestors against Bad Trump.
BBC making political decisions about protests and what to show
Looks like the BBC is pushing for a repeat of Maidan.
Followed by the most partial, slanted and anti- Trump article from that condescending git of a reporter Sopel in the US.
The reporting is so biased it should be a criminal offence to call yourself unbiased and have a political polemic like tbat.
The Bbc pushing the neo con American agenda again.Part of the USAs plan to encircle,then dominate Russia
Agreed. But there seems to be more than one American foreign policy right now, more than one government almost.
Will be interesting to see what happens to these ‘spontaneous’ protests in Belarus if Trump wins.
No change there then.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.24.20181214v2.full.pdf
Universal properties of the dynamics of the Covid-19 pandemic
“Can we derive medical information from the mathematical behavior of the 100s of case time series now available? It is attempted here, with 2 conclusions: 1. asymptomatic cases contagious for 5.6 days 2. cases to halve every 12 days in the extinction phase”
Another article for the mathematicians
Don’t miss this story from sky.
“Taxpayer money was used to pay social media influencers and reality TV stars to promote the NHS Test and Trace system, the government has admitted”
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1300068326698299392?s=20
As Simon Dolan puts it – we must be winning.
Dr No calls it Test and Tits Up
Another story in the daily mail covering the same. UK gov paying influencers to propagandise their followers.
And the replies (earlier when I looked at least) were largely of the opinion: ‘good, government being smart for once’ … no one the slightest bit fussed these were people being paid to voice adverts and propaganda as if it was their own lived experience or opinion (maybe they did share it, but irrelevant) — people happy for this horrid experiment to continue as long as it continues to match their own pathetic needs.
Read it and weep folks. Anti-mask wearers are now being denounced as psychopaths.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffhp&q=anti-mask+wearers+psychopaths&ia=web
Don’t care. So there.
Yep, fuck ’em
Hahaha the top result is CNN – the network who recently ran a segment claiming the solution (after the death of George Floyd) was for young white children to be attacked, harassed; the same network who just the other day talked about ‘mostly peaceful’ events as a city was literally burning behind the reporter on screen, & gunshots were being fired! – yes, everybody takes them seriously!!
It’s so obvious at the moment how Google results are being pushed towards a particular point of view. Always was, but the CV19 stuff is glaring.
That was duckduckgo in the original post, not google.
It’s _all_ being pushed in a certain way, the WHO word is gospel, until they change it again, and then the new one is gospel.
I’m quite happy to go full psychopath anytime these people fancy it.
Apparently we’re narcissists and less intelligent (than whom???) as well. I prefer to think of us as non-conformists who have not let fear subsume us.
Yes. In the future people will compare this to the Milgram experiments. We’ll be in the honourable minority who failed to lose their minds, obey orders and indulge their sadism.
I almost have a PhD in psychology (all but dissertation) and an attempt to repeat the Milgram experiment more than 50 years later yielded the same result. So let’s be proud of the fact we aren’t obedient! I consider it a badge of honour.
“People learning about Milgram’s work often wonder whether results would be any different today,” Burger says. “Many point to the lessons of the Holocaust and argue that there is greater societal awareness of the dangers of blind obedience. But what I found is the same situational factors that affected obedience in Milgram’s experiments still operate today.”
Psychopaths are very clever with lots of the top jobs such as CEO’s, MPs, surgeons, civil servants, lawyers, journalists, clergy, and police officers having the highest proportions.
And do you know, today I was bellowed at, speechlessly, by a masked man in a railway station. I heard strange high-pitched grunting and turned round to see a man (not a member of staff) on the other side of the big station concourse pointing at his mask and at me, grunting rhythmically and aggressively like a big animal. Does wearing a mask deprive him of language? Or is it the action of endeavouring to coerce cultic obedience from a stranger that had robbed him of capacity?
Sweden is full of psychopaths, apparently.
They sure hide it well! I spent a few weeks there many years ago and they seemed quite civilized to me.
Lord Sumption in conversation with The Royal Society of Medicine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-syjnHYST-4
Thanks.Just watched the interview. Most enjoyable.
“Europe is at last waking up to its lockdown folly
As battening down the hatches fast loses favour, we can at least take this as a glimmer of hope”
Lots of positive comments…..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/27/europe-last-waking-lockdown-folly/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1281014&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Loy_Dig_Acq_EmailStud_SatTopStories&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Loy_Dig_Acq_EmailStud_SatTopStories20200829&utm_campaign=DM1281014
Protests against lockdown were also held in Cyprus and Lithuania yesterday.
Zurich too
I have a suggestion. The next anti-lockdown protest should march on the BBC. Could they seriously not report on (hopefully) 100k people at their gates?
Maybe tear down the statue of the naked child that was created by a paedo that is outside broadcasting house. That would probably make the news!
yer really that sculpture is very very weird indeed.
Certainly symbolises the BBC and their history.
Eric Gill?
Salford Quays! Manchester
I was listening to Clare Teal’s programme on BBC Radio 2, when up popped a propaganda song encouraging people to wear face masks. It’s about 45 minutes into the programme if anyone wants to check it out online. I’ve emailed clare.teal@bbc.co.uk to say that I won’t be listening to the programme again. (Not really cutting off my nose to spite my face as it’s a pleasant enough programme but not essential listening).
I used to like I’m the Antibiotics song that used to be on TV and Radio. Is it as good as that one?
Dont know the antibiotics song ,. but this one was crap.. repetitive …
The song that accuses the public of overuse of antibiotics when they can only be prescribed by doctors! I found those lyrics very annoying.
Any mathematical thoughts on the actual incidence of infective Covid disease in the population?
The ONS ‘Infection Survey Pilot’ comes up with a mid-estimate of 1 in 1,900 of the population.
But, given the inherent inaccuracy of PCR testing, the real incidence will be much lower – but I can’t think of a quick way of nailing it.
Interesting that they say “ We use current COVID-19 infections to mean testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, with or without having symptoms, on a swab taken from the nose and throat.” But then do not provide the figures for those who tested positive with symptoms and those without symptoms.
Found it! Just 28% of positive tests showed symptoms.
“Out of those who have ever tested positive for COVID-19 on nose and throat swabs over the whole period of our study just 28% reported any evidence of symptoms around the time of their positive swab test.”
So is that 1 in ~6300, not 1 in 1,900… I think
If theres 10 in every 19000 but 7 can be excluded, it’s 3 in 19,000 (/3 = 6333)
I’m not sure how to work that out as a % chance of any individual having infectious covid, but it’s pretty fucking slim
R-i-g-h-t.
And what symptoms were they? There are NO symptoms which are unique to Covid-18/coronaviruses. That’s why they are generally considered within the ‘respiratory disease’ we have each year. This si the FIRST year when there has been a focus on this specific(?) coronavirus – and there are NO coronavirus SPECIFIC symptoms!
DavidC
Thanks for that, Skipper. It at least gives us a basis for re-calculation for real risk.
I was going to post my responses to the NHS Consultation doc below as a reply to TT’s helpful signpost, but fear it will get lost in the succeeding posts! So here they are, in case anyone else is moved to respond as well – the time limit is 28 September.
1. I am unclear why, if ‘Sufficient evidence of safety, quality and efficacy’ is available, such as is ‘likely to be equivalent to requirements of a marketing authorisation’, it is thought necessary to proceed by way of anything other than a ‘normal marketing authorisation’. You need to set out what sort of ‘flexibilities and pragmatic approaches may be required based on the situation and mode(s) of deployment of the national vaccine programme ‘ before I, or anyone else, could sensibly comment further.
2. The wording in square brackets enables the question of what is a ‘serious breach’ to be determined by another pharma company.
Your argument will be that only one such could possibly understand the complexities of bringing the product to market. It’s not too dissimilar to the argument that complex fraud trials were too difficult and took too long before a normal jury. After many attempts the removal of jury trial in such cases was legislated – only to be repealed in 2012 (S 43 Criminal Justice Act 2003).
The problem here is that, if and when a ‘serious breach’ gets to trial, on HMG’s proposed wording, the question of whether or not it was a ‘serious breach’ could have been pre-empted by a form of ‘expert witness’ opinion from another pharma company. No thank you, this is NOT what is wanted. If vaccines are to be administered and recommended to the general public then they are the ‘reasonable person’ or ‘objective bystander’ to decide what constitutes a ‘serious breach’ leading to loss of immunity from civil liability. Just as they would do if they were considering suing the manufacturer in any other circumstances.
3. ‘There is a possibility that both the flu vaccine and the COVID-19 vaccine will be delivered at the same time, and we need to make sure that in this scenario there is sufficient workforce to allow for this…’
Firstly, I do not want the flu cocktail to include any CV19 vaccine. People must be allowed to have the one without the other.
Secondly, the proposals would expand the workforce that can administer COVID-19 and flu vaccinations under an NHS or local authority occupational health scheme so that it also includes midwives, nursing associates, operating department practitioners, paramedics, physiotherapists and pharmacists. I do not accept that these people (what are ‘operating department practitioners’ anyway?’) should be given carte blanche to administer these injections, even with additional training etc. The cadre of people who will benefit from the vaccine is no larger than that currently eligible for the existing flu vaccine and I therefore see no need to expand the workforce beyond that currently licenced.
4. The consultation document says: ‘These amendments on the easement of advertising restrictions are not limited to unlicensed vaccines only, but are intended to apply to all the public health purposes that would justify temporary authorisation of the distribution of an unlicensed vaccine or other treatment listed in regulation 174.
This means that, in relation to medicines advertising, the permitted campaigns could relate to any medicinal product use in response to “…the suspected or confirmed spread of… pathogenic agents… toxins… chemical agents or…nuclear radiation…”
I am fundamentally opposed to the advertising of ANY ‘medicinal product’ which is unlicensed. It should be prohibited in exactly the same way as advertising of prescription-only medicines. The promotion of unlicensed vaccines, or indeed any other medicinal products such as drugs which have not been licensed for the particular use for which they are newly recommended (e.g. hydroxychloroquine), should only be contemplated during an informed consultation between a person and their medical practitioner.
Cont’d…
I was going to post my responses to the NHS Consultation doc below as a reply to TT’s helpful signpost, but fear it will get lost in the succeeding posts! So here they are, in case anyone else is moved to respond – the time limit is 28 September.
1. I am unclear why, if ‘Sufficient evidence of safety, quality and efficacy’ is available, such as is ‘likely to be equivalent to requirements of a marketing authorisation’, it is thought necessary to proceed by way of anything other than a ‘normal marketing authorisation’. You need to set out what sort of ‘flexibilities and pragmatic approaches may be required based on the situation and mode(s) of deployment of the national vaccine programme ‘ before I, or anyone else, could sensibly comment further.
2. The wording in square brackets enables the question of what is a ‘serious breach’ to be determined by another pharma company.
Your argument will be that only one such could possibly understand the complexities of bringing the product to market. It’s not too dissimilar to the argument that complex fraud trials were too difficult and took too long before a normal jury. After many attempts the removal of jury trial in such cases was legislated – only to be repealed in 2012 (S 43 Criminal Justice Act 2003).
The problem here is that, if and when a ‘serious breach’ gets to trial, on HMG’s proposed wording, the question of whether or not it was a ‘serious breach’ could have been pre-empted by a form of ‘expert witness’ opinion from another pharma company. No thank you, this is NOT what is wanted. If vaccines are to be administered and recommended to the general public then they are the ‘reasonable person’ or ‘objective bystander’ to decide what constitutes a ‘serious breach’ leading to loss of immunity from civil liability. Just as they would do if they were considering suing the manufacturer in any other circumstances.
3. ‘There is a possibility that both the flu vaccine and the COVID-19 vaccine will be delivered at the same time, and we need to make sure that in this scenario there is sufficient workforce to allow for this…’
Firstly, I do not want the flu cocktail to include any CV19 vaccine. People must be allowed to have the one without the other.
Secondly, the proposals would expand the workforce that can administer COVID-19 and flu vaccinations under an NHS or local authority occupational health scheme so that it also includes midwives, nursing associates, operating department practitioners, paramedics, physiotherapists and pharmacists. I do not accept that these people (what are ‘operating department practitioners’ anyway?’) should be given carte blanche to administer these injections, even with additional training etc. The cadre of people who will benefit from the vaccine is no larger than that currently eligible for the existing flu vaccine and I therefore see no need to expand the workforce beyond that currently licenced.
4. The consultation document says: ‘These amendments on the easement of advertising restrictions are not limited to unlicensed vaccines only, but are intended to apply to all the public health purposes that would justify temporary authorisation of the distribution of an unlicensed vaccine or other treatment listed in regulation 174.
This means that, in relation to medicines advertising, the permitted campaigns could relate to any medicinal product use in response to “…the suspected or confirmed spread of… pathogenic agents… toxins… chemical agents or…nuclear radiation…”
I am fundamentally opposed to the advertising of ANY ‘medicinal product’ which is unlicensed. It should be prohibited in exactly the same way as advertising of prescription-only medicines. The promotion of unlicensed vaccines, or indeed any other medicinal products such as drugs which have not been licensed for the particular use for which they are newly recommended (e.g. hydroxychloroquine), should only be contemplated during an informed consultation between a person and their medical practitioner.
Cont’d…
Cont’d
5. You suggest that: ‘There are already situations that arise during public health vaccination programmes where there may be excess vaccines in one healthcare organisation and too few in another separate healthcare organisation…The current solution would be to return the excess vaccines to the supplier who would then dispatch them to the organisation with too few vaccines, but this is time consuming and inefficient. With the national vaccination campaigns to protect patients against flu in Autumn 2020 and COVID-19 once a vaccine become available, it is essential that vaccines can be moved swiftly and safely within the healthcare system between NHS providers (and between the suppliers of medical services to the armed forces) to meet patient need and avoid wastage..’ You reference the armed services several times.
You give no explanation of why dealing with CV19 vaccine should present any more difficulties than already posed by getting the current flu vaccine to the right place at the right time. Changing these arrangements brings into play more possibilities for failure to meet ‘controlled storage requirements (for example strict temperature limits for vaccines)’ and failure to ensure that ‘ the transfer of any medicine should be properly controlled and appropriate records maintained of correct storage and transfers. ‘, not less. Do not seek to make the process more complex than it already is, with all the likelihood of failures at the different hand offs.
Finally, you ask ‘What could we do better’?
I responded:
“Refrain from making tendentious claims such as:
”Effective COVID-19 vaccines will be the best way to deal with the pandemic…
…successful steps to fight COVID-19, including the deployment of a safe and effective vaccine or therapeutic product, will of course have a beneficial impact for all parts of UK society.”
Neither of these statements have any basis in verifiable fact as yet, and therefore, I suggest, only serve to bring the DHSC into disrepute.”
Jeez, a couple of monster posts. Can’t you post elsewhere and link to them?
Was just doing as AG does, his sometimes come in 3 parts!
https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/5f43b8aca0980b6fc0198f9f
Thank you for highlighting this Sylvie and for the link. Didn’t know about it anD your responses helpful for me to realise this is something we need to pay attention to
I wonder if Boris Johnson ever thinks about the Brave New World he is creating for his newborn child.
MONDAYS PAGE has been posted overnight and is ready and waiting for your erudite comments
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/08/31/latest-news-120/#comments
I have to admit that I only half understand how to use twitter, but in a small attempt to do my bit I have attempted to reply to a few tweets from lockdown/facemask zealots. So far most of the replies and ‘likes’ have been from people in support of my comments.
But I received this reply to a reply I made with regard to facemasks
#ZeroCovid @seventiesicon
Replying to @martindale567 and @BGidmxn
which is why they are worn in every other country in the world
To me this response goes right back to the fairy story about the Emperor’s New Clothes, everybody says the emperors got clothes on, so everybody says they can see them even though he is naked. So facemasks must be right because everybody is wearing them? I guess that puts us in the role of the little boy who pops up and shouts that the Emperor has no clothes on.
I then went to highlight the reply I had been sent so I could maybe reply further to find that ZeroCovid had blocked me so I could not reply nor see their posts.
So the argument for facemasks seems to be that they must be right because everyone is wearing them and we cannot take them off because we are walking around with our fingers in our ears so we cannot hear any counter arguments.
The NHS has a front that is a sacred cow – but it is also a cash cow of a PPP that has corporatised the captured revenue stream of pharmaceutically defined and dictated ‘sickness management system’, which under the new Covid Health Service ( you still haven’t noticed have you?) is switching to a biosecurity state.
Under the Top Down and pervasive imposition of ever creeping regulatory stricture, people compartmentalise the part that loves God (generic term for all that truly lives) while giving to Caesar (dictate of worldly power) what it demands so as to survive.
I don’t doubt that she loves her bubble – and will not want to let the penalty of state and state-backed blame culture destroy her world.
Hancock is a hollow man – acting out a front as a crisis actor feigning inconceivable incompetence. He has vaccine interests and bio-tech butter on his bread and dances to whatever tune fear and self loathing sets him. By the way part of the psyop is to render the image of the political process in such a terrible and shameful light as to induce the willing acceptance of bio-technocratic – ie faceless system controls.
How involved in decision making are any of these muppets and buffoons mainstreaming mind-control messaging openly?
It is a play by which to divert the public attention and set it in false narrative by which to all the better control them.
“Why – what big teeth you have Grandma!”.
Goldman Sachs, Prince Charles, the WEF.. all talk about using covid to reset the economy – the Great Reset. The Great Greta Reset.. a fake green reset. Boris even eluded to such back in February in Greenwich.. and yet neither lockdown sceptics, or spiked, or the spectator, or Toby or Delingpole dares to tread that far.. instead you criticise David Icke and Piers Corbyn. And Bill Gates.. he makes billions from vaccines.. and gives money to the telegraph et al to write articles as Glocal Health Security… in plain sight.
I was at the rally at Trafalgar Square on Saturday.
I’ve been going to them since the KBF one at Hyde Park a while back. The first one wasn’t huge but is was large enough to shut down parts of Oxford street and the entrance of the BBC HQ (which they didn’t report in their news coverage), and it has been growing ever since. The turnout on Saturday was amazing! I wasn’t sure what numbers to expect, maybe a couple of thousand, but the actual turnout was incredible – imo a reasonable estimate would be 30k+ – all well behaved!
I know some of the speakers may turn a few people off, but personally I like people like David Icke. You may not agree with all his other views, but he has been destroying the virus narrative, the PCR tests, Bill Gates etc and exposed this to many people!
The threat of 5G is more to do with ‘bio-security’ and how technology will be used to help us get out of lockdown! Bill Gates has been pushing his ‘digital immunity passports’ right from the beginning, which will be linked to the vaccination records. So if we don’t take the vaccines, no access to certain parts of society. Surely people can see the possibility of how that can be abused?
They are trialing the ‘Covi-pass’ in Ireland and they a have been trialing the ‘Wellness pass’ in parts of Africa, where the app is linked to your bank account.
Then you have ‘The Great Reset’ pushed by the World Economic Forum’ (go to their website)! It’s also one of the reasons we are seeing the road networks in the big cities being modified to ‘car free zones’ cycle lanes etc during the lockdown – all part of ‘sustainable development’.
This isn’t a conspiracy theory – they pretty have plans out in the open (Rockerfeller Lockstep document). Covid was a crisis of convenience for these elites!
Essentially, if you want to know where we are heading, look at China and their ‘social credit system’!
Peter Hitchens, Alan Jones (of Sky News Australia), Lockdown sceptics, Piers Corbyn, Ron Paul, David Icke etc are all different weapons in the arsenal and have their uses depending on the audience to oppose these lockdowns & draconian measures.
Peter Hitchens has been great, but lets be honest, he isn’t going to draw a crowd of 10’s of thousands, but David Icke (love him or hate him) will – i’d say a sizable amount of the crowd came for him.
The ridicule of people being called of being a conspiracy tin-foil hat wearing nutter, no longer works as effectively as it used to. More and more people have switched off from the MSM and no longer care what they label people. They are by passing the gate-keepers and going on social media for their news – this is how Trump won and I predict will win a landslide this Nov. The media is saying he is behind the in the polls, but you get a more realistic picture online from the various commentators like Tim Pool.
Gone off topic a bit, but yeah, all these different speakers are different tools in the toolbox! Useful depending on the situation!