Yet Another Bloody U-Turn
Boris often sings the praises of the first-class education he received at Eton and Oxford. But the most valuable lesson he ever received was when he was taught to drive. After all, that’s where he learnt how to do a U-turn.
The Prime Minister has now performed so many reverse ferrets he’s in danger of swallowing his own tail. Yesterday brought news of his latest pirouette – on face masks in schools.
Since he returned from his camping holiday in Scotland, Boris has been on a mission to persuade parents it’s safe to send their kids back to school.
“The risk of contracting COVID-19 in school is very small and it is far more damaging for a child’s development and their health and wellbeing to be away from school any longer,” he said on Sunday.
But now he’s changed his mind – apparently influenced by Nicola Sturgeon’s decision to make face coverings mandatory in Scottish secondary schools. Henceforth, kids aged 11 and older will have to wear masks in local lockdown areas. Not so safe, then. Talk about mixed messages! The Prime Minister’s default response whenever he’s asked a question of vital national importance is to launch into his Vicky Pollard impression: “No but, yeah but…”
Let’s be clear: the risk posed to children by COVID-19 is vanishing-to-zero. As the Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries said on Monday, kids are more likely to be killed in a road traffic accident than die of coronavirus – and that may be overstating it. To date, only two children between the ages of 5 and 14 have succumbed to the virus.
Some parents are worried about their kids catching it in school and then passing it on to vulnerable adults. Rest assured, that risk is negligible, too. Earlier this year, China and the World Health Organisation issued a report saying they hadn’t found a single case of a child transmitting the disease to an adult.
The bottom line is children aren’t vulnerable to this disease and they don’t pass it on. Why can’t Boris just stick to that clear, simple message?
He had an opportunity to reassure parents and he’s blown it.
The Mail is incandescent about this latest bit of dilly-dallying, while the Sun blames Gavin Williamson. The Telegraph says Tory MPs are furious about the endless U-turns the Prime Minister has performed – seemingly more responsive to Nicola Sturgeon than he is to Parliament. The only supportive article I could find was this piece by Angela Epstein in the Telegraph – and the comments below the line from sceptical readers are a joy to read.
As someone who helped set up four schools – one secondary and three primaries – I know just what a nightmare it will be to make children wear masks. How will teachers know which child is talking out of turn? How will they respond when a child claims to be exempt? Will children who turn up at the school gate without a mask be sent home? Or stuck in isolation?
Don’t take my word for it. Calvin Robinson, the teacher who appeared in a recent Department for Education’s advertising campaign to recruit more teachers, described the endless problems this will create in schools in an interview on Radio London last night.
When is Boris going to show some leadership? His response to this national crisis has been the opposite of Churchillian.
He’s more like the nodding dog in the insurance advert than the wartime leader.
The Year Evidence-Based Medicine Died
A senior research scientist in a pharmaceutical company with over 15 years’ experience in drug research and development, both in biotech and large pharma, has emailed to express his despair about mandatory face masks in schools.
I was moved to write when I read with utter dismay about the decision for masks to become mandatory in Scottish schools, with the rest of the UK probably not far behind.
As a scientist, for me face coverings are emblematic of what has gone completely wrong in our approach to COVID-19. Face coverings are not some “jolly jape” or “what’s the harm” thing, they are an invasive treatment that has been imposed on the entire population based on weak scientific evidence. They also have potential to cause harm both to individuals and the environment; how long before disposable cloth “jelly-fish” start washing up on our beaches? I also believe that in some circumstances they could actually increase the risk of transmission. Simply stating over and over that face-coverings help “stop the spread” without any data, seems to me to smack of “if we say it enough, it will be true”, rather than sound clinical science.
What is so utterly ridiculous is that the potential risks/benefits of face coverings are completely testable with appropriately designed studies and if this was a normal clinical intervention then there would be a justified expectation of just such testing before being was rolled out. I’ve seen people say that holdouts against masks are akin to those who wouldn’t wear seatbelts. But the big difference is that seatbelts were subjected to precisely this kind of rigorous testing, and there was a lot of evidence that they worked, before they became mandatory. Such evidence for face coverings simply does not exist, or has not been published, so scepticism is justifiable given that it is a significant societal change to mandate wearing a face-covering in most public spaces.
Graham Martin et al summed this up in a recent paper: “Well-intended population health interventions can do harm, but the downsides of mandatory face-covering policies have to date been under-conceptualised and under-studied.”
Given the general chaos in policy making, the imposition of lockdown itself and the ongoing issues surrounding screening highlighted by people such as Prof. Heneghan, it appears to me that 2020 is the year that evidence-based medicine died.
Rod Liddle on the BBC
Rod Liddle’s column in the Sun today – about the Rule Britannia row – is a corker.
All those ghastly people waving their Union Jacks. Singing Land of Hope and Glory and Rule, Britannia!. Nasty Little Englanders who probably voted for Brexit.
It’s the one night of the year when the BBC’s left wing bias is dropped for an hour or two.
And the licence-payer for once gets what they want. An evening of enjoyable, uplifting patriotism.
The BBC holds Middle England in utter contempt – and has done so for a long while.
It cannot tolerate anything which doesn’t fit into its woke agenda. And it’s why support for the BBC diminishes daily.
It has lost touch with the values of the people who pay for its existence.
Still, there’s one bright side to all this. It’s saved me £157.50 per year.
I will not pay the licence fee any more. Not ever again.
Why should I pay for an organisation which hates and despises everything I believe in?
Meanwhile, Vera Lynn signing “Land of Hope and Glory” has topped the iTunes charts.
Economists: “The Scientists Got it Wrong.”
Hat tip to Jeffrey Tucker, the Editorial Director of the American Institute for Economic Research, for sending me this excellent paper by four economists. Called “Four Stylized Facts About COVID-19“, it cites four things we know about the virus and its transmission that suggests the initial policy response across the world was wrong. Here’s the abstract:
We document four facts about the COVID-19 pandemic worldwide relevant for those studying the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) on COVID-19 transmission. First: across all countries and U.S. states that we study, the growth rates of daily deaths from COVID-19 fell from a wide range of initially high levels to levels close to zero within 20-30 days after each region experienced 25 cumulative deaths. Second: after this initial period, growth rates of daily deaths have hovered around zero or below everywhere in the world. Third: the cross section standard deviation of growth rates of daily deaths across locations fell very rapidly in the first 10 days of the epidemic and has remained at a relatively low level since then. Fourth: when interpreted through a range of epidemiological models, these first three facts about the growth rate of COVID deaths imply that both the effective reproduction numbers and transmission rates of COVID-19 fell from widely dispersed initial levels and the effective reproduction number has hovered around one after the first 30 days of the epidemic virtually everywhere in the world. We argue that failing to account for these four stylized facts may result in overstating the importance of policy mandated NPIs for shaping the progression of this deadly pandemic.
Worth reading in full.
We Will Mock You
This YouTube video by Media Bear ridiculing Covid hysterics – and BLM protestors for good measure – is fantastic.
Glad to see there are some young people not buying the bullshit.
Letter From Care Home Dated March 23rd
A reader has passed on the letter she received from her mother’s care home in Bagshot on March 23rd, the day the full lockdown was imposed.
This is with a great sadness I have to say that I have been informed by our Doctor today that NHS hospitals will not accept people over 70 years old if they have been tested positive with COVID 19, which means that these residents will be treated here, at Sunrise of Bagshot, and in case of deterioration they will go straight into palliative care. In these unprecedented times due to COVID-19 outbreak the NHS has no choice but to make tough decisions. I want to reassure you that we are doing everything possible to keep our residents safe and well protected.
At this moment we are working with Doctor to sign DNR forms for all of our residents. In order for us to complete this, I would ask you to send me a confirmation email if you agree for this to happen if your parent/loved one doesn’t have one.
If you have any questions or would like to discuss this with Doctor, please let me know and I will arrange telephone conversation.
Thank you for your understanding.
Horrendous. But at least this reader’s care home had the courtesy to consult her about the DNR form…
Civil Servants Are Very Busy… Sunbathing
Got an email from a reader who’s understandably angry about public sector employees refusing to return to work because it’s “too dangerous”.
Your daily update is the highlight of my day. I’m a self-employed bookkeeper who also runs payrolls so I’ve been working throughout the nonsense. I’ve been increasingly exasperated at the ridiculous restrictions placed upon us. I thought you might like to know of the worst instance I’ve heard of. My husband is a retired army officer who is now employed by the MoD on a large army base in Hampshire. The entire civil service staff were sent home in March and most have since been issued with laptops. They have a Friday morning ‘coffee’ on Zoom where they discuss whether they will be sunbathing or carrying out DIY during their office hours. Most have decided it’s “too dangerous” to return to work. Today I’ve been told that Army HQ have decreed that no more than 25% of staff should attend the office at any time (regardless of office space – the civil service is not known for cramped conditions!). I am beyond angry as I and all my small business clients have worked throughout as their livelihoods depend on it , as have supermarket staff. Our council (Wiltshire) is impossible to reach and my efforts during the course of my work to communicate with HMRC have been utterly fruitless. There are retired people in my lane who have been ‘shielding’ since March and are now so frightened they are on the verge of mental Illness. They haven’t even been out of the village as it’s “too dangerous”. This is surely a result of the ‘stay at home and save lives’ propaganda from the BBC which is their only source of information.
Kim-Jong Dan Not Quite a Dictator (Yet)
It seems I may have overstated things yesterday when I said Kim-Jong Dan was going to extend the State of Emergency in Victoria for another 18 months. A reader has written to point out the news isn’t quite that bad.
Re. the comment on Dictator-Dan – he is seeking a 12-month extension to the State of Emergency powers which reach their six-month legal maximum on Sep 16 (not yet extending for 18 moths). If he gets the extension it allows him to reinstate his rolling four-week lockdowns/restrictions on the advice of the Chief Health Officer and no one else. BUT the legislation must pass the Victorian state upper house and his party (Labor) only has 17 of 40 seat, so not yet a done deal for Danny The Dictator.
Looking For a PA
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Round-Up
- ‘The crisis is the response to coronavirus, not coronavirus‘ – Arch sceptic Alan Jones, the voice of reason on Sky News Australia, interviews Adam Creighton
- John Anderson interviews Dr Jay Bhattacharya – The former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia interviews Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine at Stanford and long-standing sceptic
- ‘The origin story of COVID-19 lockdowns‘ – Jordan Schachtel on how a draconian, illiberal policy adopted by a totalitarian country was copied by governments around the world
- ‘Here come the Covid Detention Centers‘ – Lee Rockwell on New York State bill A99 which will allow the authorities to take an individual “suspected” of being infected to a detention centre
- ‘Flipping the Covid switch‘ – Latest blogpost from arch-sceptic Omar Khan in which he tries to understand how the world succumbed to mass hysteria
- ‘Sociology of Masks and Social Distancing‘ – Sociologist Randall Collins explains why face masks lead to more social conflict
- ‘When will our surgeons be allowed to do their jobs?‘ – Allison Pearson on the NHS’s Covid obsession. Hospitals are deserted, yet the NHS faces a possible patient backlog of almost 10 million by Christmas
- ‘August heatwave fuels rise in deaths, as COVID-19 fatalities fall to lowest level since before lockdown‘ – Telegraph reports on the latest ONS data. Deaths from all causes rose above the five-year average in the week ending August 14th for the first time since mid-June, but Covid deaths continue to fall
- ‘Woman, 75, in Nottingham was “first person to catch coronavirus in UK”‘ – A Nottingham woman tested positive on February 28th and died a few weeks later. Was she really the first, though?
- ‘Perth woman who hid in truck to enter WA from Victoria cops harshest penalty yet‘ – A Perth woman who hid in a Victorian truck to sneak into Western Australia without quarantining has been jailed for six months, the toughest penalty handed down for the charge since the COVID-19 pandemic began
- ‘COVID – What have we learned?‘ – Latest blog post from Dr Malcolm Kendrick
- ‘The Tragic Hydroxychloroquine Debate and Dr. Fauci’s Denial of Evidence‘ – Great post from Dr Mikko Paunio, an epidemiologist and contributor to Lockdown Sceptics
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Four today: “High Street Blues” by HCB, “Dead Cities” by the Exploited, “From Riches to Rags” by Travis Orbin and “Hot For Teacher” by Van Halen.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 3rd to Oct 13th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 30,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
In my monthly column in Spectator USA, I argue that Donald Trump should seek inspiration from an unlikely source in his forthcoming re-election campaign.
To win in November, Trump should seek inspiration from President Alexander Lukashenko, the 65-year-old autocrat who has ruled Belarus since 1994. He trounced his liberal opponent in the presidential election in August with 80 percent of the vote.
I’m not suggesting Trump emulate Lukashenko’s methods. Among other things, the man dubbed ‘Europe’s last dictator’ disqualified his three main political opponents at the beginning of the race, imprisoning two of them. He has never won an election with less than 75 percent of the vote, although none have been found to be free and fair by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), an election monitoring body. His defeated opponent this time round — Svetlana Tikhanovskaya — was initially detained by the authorities, during which she recorded a hostage video conceding defeat, before fleeing the country.
But in one respect, at least, Trump should take a leaf out of Lukashenko’s book. The barrel-chested populist is an unapologetic COVID skeptic. Belarus was one of only two European countries that didn’t impose a full lockdown, Sweden being the other, with Lukashenko urging his fellow citizens to avoid infection by drinking vodka and taking saunas. The Belarusian football league was the only one in Europe not to shut down, providing soccer fans across the continent with a much-needed weekly fix. In May, with Belarus’s COVID death toll still in double digits, Lukashenko congratulated himself on not succumbing to the global panic.
“You see that in the affluent West, unemployment is out of control,” he told supporters at a mass rally. “People are banging on pots. People want to eat. Thank God, we avoided this. We didn’t shut down.”
This was the rallying cry of Lukashenko’s presidential campaign: that the threat posed by COVID-19 had been wildly exaggerated by his bedwetting opponents and it was thanks to his innate common sense that Belarus was weathering the storm better than other countries. And Trump could make a similar argument. True, he wasn’t able to prevent Democratic governors from imposing severe lockdowns in states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Massachusetts and Michigan. But insofar as he was able to stay the hand of Republican governors and use the bully pulpit of the White House to pour scorn on the panicky pronouncements of public health panjandrums, he showed real leadership.
Of course, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are trying to portray Trump’s handling of the crisis as a catastrophic mistake and pin America’s high COVID death toll on him. But if you look at deaths per capita, the US fares better than Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy, Peru and Chile. Yes, America’s economy shrunk in the second quarter of 2020, but by just 9.5 percent, the second-lowest contraction in the G7. (The UK figure was 20.4 percent.) Trump can claim, with some justification, that the US has fared better than most during this global pandemic and that he’s entitled to some of the credit.
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Yes
Bugger….
No
just missed out
You may have heard in the news that Stanley, Co Durham had an outbreak ‘of cases’. Well, at the start of the week a Covid Testing Centre was set up in the town’s car park, taking up about a third of the available spaces. I thought I would pop along to take a look and perhaps take some photos.
I parked around the corner and walked along the side of the site. I managed to get off one photo before a young man came up to me.
‘Are you alright he said’
‘Very well thank you’ I replied.
‘It looked like you were talking a photograph’.
‘Well, it’s news’, I replied.
‘We would rather you didn’t, as some people might not want their picture taken’.
‘But they are wearing masks, no one can recognise them’, I replied (couldn’t resist a cheap shot).
‘Well, I can’t stop you he said’.
But I decided not to push it as he had been very polite.
There were about four cars queuing to get in and it otherwise seed pretty deserted. You can see people sitting around in the Gazebo.
If you are interested, you can see the photo here:
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I know we’ve asked this question before – but why on earth are people volunteering to be tested? Don’t they realise that they could contribute to a local lockdown?
A tragic lack of cognitive ability.
Of course not. They’ve been scared out of their wits. They probably got a bacon roll from a local cafe that was owned by someone whose brother bought a second hand clock from a random off the local buy sell page on Facebook. And guess what? That individual, it turned out, visited Leicester two months ago to buy some clothes and, you know what, they got the Covid-19.
I’m off to spray myself in Mr Sheen
What’s the Leicester comment about, smart arse?
It’s not clever. I’m not laughing.
I don’t suppose you’ve ever laughed that much. Cheer up Gary.
In the words of Take That, “let it shine”,
Sumfink for free innit
Yes, just like our “free” health system. I think the useless PCR test is charged to the tax payer at £120 a pop… nice work if you can get it…
4 million per day.
KERRRRRCHING!
Or, if over 70 and test positive, they risk being refused admission to hospital.
They’re advertising voluntary testing for school kids here in Uppsala (Sweden) – no idea what the take-up is like and if it is the PCR or antibody test they’re offering. Not sure how widely they’re advertising – I just saw it on Facebook..
Security staff at my local testing station say people still turn up to take selfies, they do what they can to stop that.
Seems my small city has sprouted a second one in a sports stadium, no publicity about it, could be just for those about to go for a hospital appointment* which are slowly starting to gear up.
*test obligatory.
They have no authority to stop people taking photos. They have no authority at all, for anything. They should be told to f.off.
That parking lot is a privately controlled space, though. So they do have the right to stop you, as long as the owner authorised them.
Are pubs privately controlled spaces?
They used to be. But that would have made tobacco prohibition more difficult. So now they’re a bit of both.
So they adjusted the law to suit their agenda.
Oh yes.
Only if you’re actually standing on their land when you take the photo. If you’re standing on adjacent public land you’re entirely outside of their jurisdiction.
As long as your take your picture from public land there is fuck all they can do about it.
Not going to lie, the red tent signalling the Covid testing station in my small town was on my route to my parents’ house. I saw ONE car there the whole of the lockdown and I must have passed it three to four times a week for months.
Bet it provided loads of positive tests
Mrs Tenchy went shopping to Leeds last week. Drove into the Park&Ride car park without realising the whole site had been taken over for a testing centre. She then had to struggle to find somewhere to park in the city centre.
It looks like I will not be teaching in school next term as I refuse to teach in a classroom where the pupils are wearing masks.j
Is the mandate only in corridors and only in areas that have a higher infection rate (i.e. locked down areas)?
For now
To me it seems as if the government has found a way to give a non-mandate mandate. In corridors only in schools in locked down areas is practically nowhere.
The government is trying to look like its doing something without actually doing anything, just to appease the hysterics.
But they have given free rein to heads to introduce masks as they see fit and it’s already happening .
Yep, passed the buck.
Children are now at the mercy of the most hysterical, selfish teachers.
And at the mercy of a minority of seriously stupid parents.
Not this parent though Cheez, as soon as the masks are mandatory the kids are coming out of school and being home educated.
@Arnie there is a letter template here that you might find helpful.
https://usforthem.co.uk/letter-to-schools-re-facemasks
From memory, that’s nearly all of them.
They’ve given free rein to everyone everywhere to insist on masks, forever, and the government can say it’s not their fault.
They have given an irrevocable licence to health and safety fascism
The genie cannot be put back into the bottle, ever
Even if the government removes all the mask laws, organisations will impose their own rules
And human beings will defy them.
Well we will, anyway.
BTW, Annie, I posted on yesterday’s thread about kids being ‘fucked up’ by what’s going on and quoted from ‘This be the Verse’ by Philip Larkin (They Fuck you up, your Mum and Dad etc.). I wondered if you would fancy doing a job on it. I think it’s made for you! MW
I’ll have a try!
Damn right.
There is a way to resist this. If a school mandates masks, any parent can write to the Head and ask him or her to confirm that wearing a mask carries no health risk to their child.
Unless the Head is a kamikaze he (or she) will not give any such reassurance. And on the basis of that I would feel perfectly comfortable sending my child to school with no mask and a note from home saying that the Head can’t guarantee it won’t be harmful to my child.
I think that’s an excellent approach and the one I would take if mine were still school age
My eldest grandchild, 4 years and 8 months, is starting school next week. I am dreading the government saying that primary school children will have to wear them. To think of her muzzled wold make me weep. My daughter tells me that they have staggered start and finish times to lessen the chances of people coming into contact with one another. So you could quite easily have 3 children all at the same school all starting and finishing at different times.
Family friend has more than one child at the same school, different age groups, yes, you are right, staggered start [& finish] times. Parents not allowed to wait with children in school playground or other parts of school grounds. So drop one child off, leave premises, wait 10-15 minutes, drop child #2 off, etc, etc. Est. 20-30 parents were permitted to use the car park, for various reasons eg. health ailments, mobility issues. – nobody allowed to do that now, to maintain social distancing… everybody is however permitted to congregate all together in large groups directly next to the school gates, & those who previously parked inside the school will have to find somewhere to park, & in some cases deal with the health issues that make life difficult eg. walking potentially long distances to the school gates…I’m sure nothing could possibly go wrong with this…..
Absolutely… but the problem is it really puts your child in the spotlight.
Yeah, Channel 5 News Lined up four kids all saying they were OK with masks. Probably primed. But shameful all the same.
Then keep the child away from the school.
Excellent! I was going to just lurk today, but this deserves a response. If they DO give the assurance, every single cold, sniffle, spot, runny nose, sore throat, &c you can sue them over. Remember to ask them to confirm it in writing…
Yes, I think that’s a good idea. If anyone could post in one place any articles of the health risks of masks that would be useful
Here’s one article:
https://principia-scientific.org/neurosurgeon-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-healthy-individuals/
Which was always the intention when they started emphasising Public Health a decade or so ago.
It was already happening before. Individual schools were demanding masks even when the government guidance said they were not recommended.
Takes just one tweet to make it all over schools and all over the country.
I think you are right there. It is mostly for show. Like the £3,200 fine limit for travelling on public transport without a mask which is never going to be imposed.
A bit like increasing the fines for frequent non-compliance of the mask lores. Smoke and mirrors. Problem is they’ve pulled this trick once too often and their slight of hand is becoming very obvious.
It’s not nowhere here – it will affect my granddaugher!
We have a very clever virus that knows not to infect classrooms but corridors and public spaces.
Where pupils are on the move and in close contact for less than a second, masks are clearly vital!
Yes, Johnson has got it right again, he never fails to impress.
Good on you. You could do it and start on the inside. More ground to be gained that way.
You’d ruin your career for the near future but it would certainly make headlines if, in your class, you simply told student sto take them off as your policy.
It’s people like you that stood up and were counted in 1930’s Germany, in communist East Germany, and on numerous other occasions where good eventually triumphed or evil.
Who was that nurse in pre-communist China famous for
‘Girls, take off your shoes’
Shoes that were deliberately designed
to deform girls feet in pursuit of some religious or cultural fantasy.
And if the Beeb announced today that cutting off girls’ toes would protect against Covid, out would come the choppers.
Inn Of The Sixth Happiness (movie).
‘Take off your bindings”
That was Gladys Aylward.
Foot binding was much worse than uncomfortable shoes. A horrific practice in which the foot was literally broken and folded back on itself before being tightly bound. Even if the girls took off their bindings it would probably have been too late to make any difference without reconstructive surgery.
It was a form of hobbling. Apparently men found the “lotus feet” highly erotic.
Horrific!
Off the top of my head I knew it was about feet, didn’t have time fof a quick Google until a bit later.
Is anyone asking you to do so?
Excellent piece on John Redwood’s Diary today – Freedom NOW.
It looks like he’s beginning to become, of all things, a sceptic.
Can he and his colleagues force a reverse in the Government’s current insane policies and direction; even help to take this government down?
Let’s raise a glass: ‘All power to his elbow’.
https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/
Hopefully, he’s also saying this to his colleagues. Not much use just putting it on his website.
As of today, we have now had four Tory MPs speaking out against Boris. Poster on Telegraph (assume a CCHQ stooge) trying to link it to the anti-Brexit wing of the party. Not true though, as the four Tories are Marcus Fysh (Brexiter), Huw Merriman (Remainer), John Redwood (Brexiter), and highly significantly, Charles Walker (Remainer, and deputy chair of the 1922). The letters are starting to arrive on Sir Graham Brady’s desk, I suspect.
Boris has got to go regardless. Even if they get a grip on him and do manage to alter course, he obviously can’t be trusted with the keys to a Ford Escort, never mind the bloody country !
Five months too late. I hope we are not going to forgive this car crash shit show of a party because now, after five months, four of them are saying something.
Definitely not, Ovis.
Haven’t forgiven them for delaying Brexit either.
Today is the day Germany has officially become a fascist state again.
Berlin’s government has forbidden the planned demonstration on 29.8., with a purely ideological reasoning.
Proper Democracy in Germany lasted 71 years and two weeks, from 14.8.1949, to 28.8.2020.
The 1.2 million plus crowd at the last demonstration are not likely to be cowered, are they?
A lot of people have already organised hotels, travel etc. Berlin will see an influx of tourists going for a walk, probably dressed in T-shirts with slogans on.
I suggest they should do protests in every little and large town, if you cannot congregate in one place, at least do it all at the same time. That way they can also reach more individuals, as MSM hardly mentioned the last demo on the 1.8.
I have confidence in my fellow German that they will tackle this government and democracy and common sense will win.
Merkel? Christian Democrat? Pfttt!
Come and demonstrate in London! I was going to stay at home until the mask lunacy spread, so come hell or high water I will be in London. Freedom-lovers from absolutely ANYWHERE will be welcome!
(Same date btw, Sat 29th August)
PS If you cross the Channel by rubber dinghy, you might even get free accommodation out of it!
Or a Partnership. Apparently most of those folk are highly qualified Lawyers & Doctors!
See you there!
Bet they wouldn’t have forbidden a BLM demonstration though.
Well someone not long ago identified as a baby grand piano… can these protestors not identify as anti-racism activists?
This is something I wrote in June:
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/06/british-prime-minister-channels-churchill-as-he-surrenders-to-gates-and-the-vaccine-cartel.html
I’d forgotten about this. Thanks for the reminder.
He’s not just a blunderer then. In it up to the ears!
My protest t-shirt with Vernon Coleman’s slogan arrived in the post today.
As I could not find any preprinted t-shirts for sale online I hacked the UK Government propaganda image using Inkscape, changed the text and uploaded it to ShirtPot, a design your own t-shirt web site in which I have no vested interest (thought I’d mention that to avoid any doubt :).
I have uploaded the png images here if you decide to create your own t-shirt or hoodie. One has a transparent background (which I used on my yellow shirt) and the other a yellow background. The 1858 x 1906 pixel resolution prints out perfectly fine on A4 which appears to be the image size used on my t-shirt. If you need the image to be larger, i.e. have a higher resolution, then I suggest you look for help from a pro designer which I am not.
In any event, feel free to use the images as you wish.
Well done!!! That slogan should be disseminated far and wide!
I think we could do with a site with lots of these kinds of things. Something we can just print off and stick over the multitude of covid propaganda that’s infesting our towns and cities!
Great idea.
Might be worth sending that to Simon Dolan – sure he would like it!
That’s a great T-shirt. I’d have a black one.
Second opinion needed from one of our friends in Scotland. When Boris was on holiday last week, was it hot and sunny? Just watched him being interviewed on Sky, and if I’m not mistaken, he seems to be sporting a ‘healthy glow’ around the hairline near the left hand parting. Some of the holiday in Greece, I wonder!
Wind burn?
Carpet burn after one of his weekly sessions with Nicola “S*rap-on” Sturgeon”?
Please! Am in the middle of afternoon tea… lol
drinking too much Irn Bru
He was in Devon, Appledore, yesterday, pissed down all day.
Should have needed that bobble hat it if were sunny!
The dictator was educated? Who knew?
Dragged up not brought up
Drugged up
Nice to see the seatbelt example cited – after all, the Isles report on the impact of seat belts
concluded that a law making the wearing of seat belts compulsory “has not led to a detectable change in road death rates”. (source http://www.john-adams.co.uk/2007/01/04/seat-belt-legislation-and-the-isles-report/)
Now here’s a funny thing. I’ve been getting out to quite a few events since the end of May, when they started to happen unofficially. They’ve all been a great breath of fresh air (no pun intended) without all the mask bollocks, people shaking hands and generally being normal. However, when people have discussed these events online before or after they happen, they often mention how social distancing will take place or how it did take place, when it didn’t.
It’s a very odd thing to lie about. Why do people feel the need to pretend to be distancing? Are they scared that there will be a presumption of irresponsibility? They’re clearly scared of something and it’s not the virus.
The people I know who are in favour of the lockdown, social distancing and mask wearing, all broke the lockdown rules, observed social distancing erratically and mostly do not wear masks and when they do, wear them incorrectly. As far as I can tell, they are in favour of such measures for other people.
Agreed. I’ve seen the same thing here. I think it’s nothing more than virtue signalling. Back in the early days our neighbours asked my wife if we went outside to clap for the NHS and were shocked we didn’t. Obviously, if they were outside clapping they’d have seen we weren’t there.
If it isn’t on Facebook it didn’t happen
Yes, for the great unwashed, which never includes themselves.
Probably the same people who would plod around the village behind the large crucifix waving candles even though they did not know what they were supposed to believe.
I think it’s called Totemic.
“Enjoyed the Dumwell Folk Festival and Fete at the weekend, socially distanced of course”
Wankers.
Yes I see this all the time. Assurances that social distancing will be in place and then completely ignored. They’re just doing it to cover themselves I reckon.
Also, we all know how some people react if you tell them you don’t do social distancing. Sometimes it’s easier to avoid that and just to pretend that you do.
It’s like transgenderism. Everybody knows it’s a lie but pretends to go along with it to avoid the shouting (and possible police investigation).
Possibly they are scared of a lecture like I got from several people on my blog for saying I didn’t wear a mask for medical reasons and saying they were concerned. The only way to silence them was to say “I distanced”, which is something I always do as I dislike feeling crowded.
“I didn’t inhale”
If you spend most of your time fiddling on your smartphones and shy away from interacting with others then you are already practicing social distancing. I noticed this many times in the Starbuck’s café that I frequent in Montreal. People even walk down the street, twiddling their thumbs on the keypad, eyes fixed on their phone, not looking where they’re going. Almost had a few headon collisions with some of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swaW8J2Nx1E
This was posted yesterday, but think it’s definitely worth a second laugh!
https://www.suffolkgazette.com/news/woman-visiting-the-beach-complains-too-many-people-are-visiting-the-beach/
I’ve just been talking to a visitor from Essex (I’m in Norfolk) complaining about all the visitors here! (A bit like people stuck in a traffic jam complaining about the traffic.) She said she was staying for a fortnight and hoped that after the Bank Holiday “they would all go back”.
I hope I managed to keep a straight face throughout.
In the case of clubs, like for instance Cycling UK, of which I am a non-lycra wearing and non-helmet wearing member, I think they do it just so it looks like they are following the rules, and they don’t necessarily obey them when out cycling. But just the fact that they say it annoys me intensely and puts me off going. Cycling UK, the old CTC, has got far too politically correct lately so I probably won’t be renewing my membership anyway.
No apologies for promoting the anti masks in schools petition at change again. http://chng.it/vzhWKjtL6M
Signatures have been climbing steadily since last night. Call me paranoid but every concession that is made to hysteria is just another descent on the slippery slope.
Pity they used change.org
It’s the one way ratchet effect.
If you give them a mm they will take it all.
The biggest requirement is for automatic time limits on all laws.
Repost as topical Toby’s page.
According to my Chambers 20C dictionary:
‘To wear” eg facemask.
1) ‘to be dressed in’
2) ‘TO CARRY ON THE BODY’
and to my surprise, “to edge, guide, conduct as sheep into a fold (Scot):
“to tolerate, accept, or believe.”
Lots of room for mischief making there,
” but I am wearing it miss it’s in me pocket”
,” but I am wearing it miss, I believe in it hundred percent”
conduct as sheep into a fold.
Yes indeed.
Well spotted Annie
It also means this: ‘damage, erode, or destroy by friction or use’.
“I am wearing it miss, look it’s nearly all gone!”
by Alex, of A Clockwork Orange.
1. “No time for the old in-out in-out, love. Just came to check the meter.”
50 years later,
“No time for the old in-out in-out, love…
I forgot my mask.
Or something like that.
I disagree with the pharmaceutical researcher who wrote to you, Toby. He says:
What is so utterly ridiculous is that the potential risks/benefits of face coverings are completely testable with appropriately designed studies
I don’t think this is true. Testing of individuals cannot show whether we need there to be transmission of viruses between people in order to keep our immune systems ‘topped up’ – this could be something that only shows up years later. Nor can testing show the long term psychological effects, or the potential for illnesses from breathing in fibres and chemicals from dubious materials that have not yet been imported etc. etc.
Arguing whether masks ‘work’ based on testing is a red herring – and an argument that opponents of masks could easily lose. If the virus is gone, anyway, then it’s pointless. And even if masks do cut transmission of the virus, this may not be beneficial in all circumstances. There are also unquantifiable, untestable downsides. It’s the wrong argument to be having.
Not entirely. Masks do active harm to the people who are forced to wear them for long periods of time, and this is what we should be focusing on. Even if masks really were effective, there are many downsides to mandating their constant use. If they aren’t effective (and they’re not), then the government is harming people for no good cause. In addition to this, we need to be asking why public health officials are so cavalier about the dangers of mask use. Very few of them have anything to say about this, and it appears to me to be a weak point with them.
Good interview with Denise Welch questioning the msm narrative: https://youtu.be/OorfiaOqQnA
Yeah fair play to her. You can see she’s pissed off too
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Love the logo
Send hundreds of copies of this logo to PM Boris.
Haha! He’d never see them. Cronies wouldn’t allow it.
The Daily Fail states as fact:
Cotton masks lower the risk of infection by 54 per cent and paper masks by 39 per cent.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665307/Teachers-lash-school-face-masks-U-turn.html
Yer what???
Those teachers are great aren’t they. They couldn’t go back to work because it wasn’t “safe” then, as soon as it is safe and silly masks are added, all will be chaos and impossible to manage.
Give me strength……………………
I have no time for the way teachers behaved back in June but I do not envy them should classroom masking become a thing.
20% of the class determined to be as uncooperative as possible, whether through commendable skepticism or bloody mindedness, 20% convinced ‘we’re all gonna die if maskless’ and the rest veering(?sp) one way or the other.
Can’t see much teaching getting done.
Besides, the more opposition to mask-wearing the better, no matter who it comes from.
In some of my classes (when I was a youngster) naughty boys used to hum if they thought the lesson was boring – the idea being that their lips weren’t moving so the teacher wouldn’t know who it was. With masks they could do a lot more than hum!
54 per cent of what exactly? Infection? So how does that number translate to me, in a shop 2m apart from someone who has a minimal chance of being infected given the fact of little so called cases, which may not be real cases. Then, do they even have symptoms, and even then they may not be shedding enough virus to any significance for long enough to get it into the air. And such studies are inconclusive so a margin of error is advisable.
But forget that. I feel 54 per cent safer and that’s all that matters.
Masks prevent virus transfer the same way that underwear prevents smell transfer.
More “divide and conquer”. It’s the same old thing: give people free stuff so they agree with you, but now with a 2020 corona twist. The country is in economic freefall and people don’t want for the lockdown to end because it’s nice being on paid vacation for months on end. Meanwhile, people that have lost their jobs or are about to due to massive layoffs can’t make their case because the furlough class is calling them all “anti science”, “dangerous”, “ignorants”.
A great deal of the measures employed by the government are aimed at dividing people and setting them against eachother. This has got to stop.
Presumably it would be quite easy to record that zoom coffee morning.
Nobody in the public sector laid up at home on 100% is in fear of losing their jobs.
If bojo was a real leader he would use the opportunity to root out those that are not really needed , perhaps part of Cummings’ plan.
It’s going to stop. Furlough will end, and many of us stuck on furlough (some of us hate it btw, fear for employment prospects, etc) will be joining those laid off. Then because we can no longer afford so large a public sector, most of those gloaters will be joining us too.
Btw, if this shitshow continues much longer, there will be massive hunger/starvation in this country, as well as the Third World. I’m beginning to doubt that I, and many of my countrymen, will still be alive at the end of next year.
More covid hokey cokey from the woeful Johnson. Is it just me who thinks he can’t be so bad and maybe he’s trying to manufacture his own demise? Or worse, undermine the government to delay/postpone Brexit? (Always an EU ploy to interfere in national politics)
I think he’s really that bad. He got spooked by Ferguson and the media hoo-ha and hasn’t really recovered since.
Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. His initial idea was to go with herd immunity and I was very impressed. What happened to change his mind? Who knows?
Bojo has brains but lacks balls. The one without the other is useless.
Brain, no brawn.
Our local MP Marcus Fysh would appear to be a full on sceptic! From his twittery thing. No @BorisJohnson
this is utterly wrong. Masks should be banned in schools. The country should be getting back to normal not pandering to this scientifically illiterate guff
What’s he been doing for the last five months?
Here’s another graph. This one visually compares tests with positive results on the same scale. Deaths are on there also but you can’t see them very well as they as so small.
You could try a log scale.
Well I want to shock the general public. I’ll probably save this one for a physical poster!
Not sure why, but when I open this link the timescale along the bottom isn’t visible, nor are the values on the vertical axis.
Hello Truth,
ok, you were asking for ideas to get the message over – I think you have hit on a winner with this graph.
Personally I like it on linear scale – shows more clearly how small the positives and deaths are compared to the giant wall of tests. But if you want to save space….
Get it out on Twitter and see if we can get some more converts….
See you all on the 29th, noon, Trafalgar Square !
Cheers
Thanks
I have a bigger plan for this and others like it. I’ll let you all know soon as I’ll be asking for more help!
LDT,
could you add axes/legend to the graph and save it into some format that is more easily portable (eg, jpeg, pdf, powerpoint or whatever ?)
would help with getting it out more widely.
Cheers
Bill
This graph really brings home to scale of the deception! Yes, agree it would be helpful to have some idea of timescale.
It was shown very clearly in an FT link in the round up a couple of weeks ago, I have a screenshot of the graphs to show people, if the conversation gets that far.
That’s brilliant
“If this was a normal clinical intervention then there would be a justified expectation of just such testing before being was rolled out.”
This comment about masks from the research scientist (above) is spot on. We are seeing the perversion of the most basic risk/harm principles in medicine.
The very same people expect their food, water and power to be available to them once considered safe for use, but see no hypocrisy in applying supposition or hypothesis as if it is fact for masks.
Excellent comparison!
But this isn’t medicine. This is telling the healthy population to wear something on their face.
The danger with regarding it as “medicine” is that some experiments may, indeed, show that it reduces transmission of the virus. So what? Who has decided that that is what we must do? If that principle is established, then further, potentially unlimited, restrictions on freedom logically follow.
If I kill you now that may prevent you killing 1,000’s with Covid in the future.
The ultra-woke and ultra-unrealistic zero-Covid Gen Y is ruining the whole world now, with the help of the cowed Xers and Boomers they have intimidated, and of the passive, unindidualistic and incapable to think critical themselves GenZ.
This mankind does not want to and as such does not deserve to live free anymore.
I despair as I have 40 years minimum more of life, its becoming unbearable and I fear for our future.
That said I am glad that Mr Bart and I have no children. We would be indicted for genocide and/or crimes against humanity. However I have two nieces and its worrying how they will grow up considering the insanity that they have been inflicted with.
Nothing to do with the old farts who voted for Mr Toad, then?
Do get real.
This old fart that voted for Mr Toad regrets having done so, because he lacks character and we probably always knew that, but I would contend the problem is that he has given in to forces, by being weak, rather than leading the lockdown nonsense, and those forces are arguably part of a strand of thinking that the PM ought to be on the opposite side of
You keep repeating this obvious logical fallacy despite it being pointed out to you repeatedly.
However much you might desperately want to, you cannot, as a matter of simple logic, hold people who voted for this government responsible for the coronapanic unless you can point to a plausible alternative government that might not have perpetrated the coronapanic if they had not voted “Conservative”.
Give it up. This panic has not been driven by any “far right”, nor by “Conservative” politicians in or out of office. It’s a consensual hysteria on the part of pretty much the entirety of our political elites, from Labour left to “Conservative” “right”, and the criticism from all senior Labour and LibDem politicians has almost entirely been for not panicking harder and earlier.
The “Conservative” government are still collectively and personally responsible for their own actions, and should suffer the consequences, but there is a lot more blame than just that to go around.
It’s not a ‘logical fallacy’ – just a fact that political initiative has been in the hands of the right-of-centre for a long time.
“This panic has not been driven by any “far right”, nor by “Conservative” politicians in or out of office”
… and I thought that the panic-mongers were the ones in denial of reality!
Stop whining about the outcome of this simple situation just because it doesn’t suit the narrative. I didn’t invent it – it is just is a fact now this outcome has come home to roost. Pretending that it’s all a consequence of left-wing Fairies at the bottom of the garden doesn’t stack up
The complicity of the Blair-Starmer centre-right establishment and also the mickey-mouse ‘left’ doesn’t alter the main fact.
OK, so I assume you voted Labour in 2001. So you are complicit in the illegal 2004 Iraq War. Hope you can live with that.
Just as all directions are south from the North Pole, all directions are right from the Left Pole. Hope the weather’s OK. You’ll be telling us next that the tax avoiding, Confederate supporting Guradian is right wing.
“Centre right”??? Seriously??
What exactly and specifically makes Blair or Starmer “centre right”??
Blair was a Trotskyist. Starmer is far left but better at hiding it than Corbyn was.
The Left have moved so far to the left they think anyone vaguely to the right of them are “centre right,” and the centrists, classic liberals, classic conservatives are “far right extremists.”
This forum is beginning to resemble twitter.
There was (still is?) an attraction at the first Disneyland, in sunny Southern California, called Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride. Lots of fun. PM Johnson’s? Not so much.
If they wish to live as slaves, that’s up to them. It’s not all of them. Perhaps this is where, in evolutionary terms at least, the human race is about to divide.
Or, even better, this is when people wake up to the shit, stand up to authority overstepping its boundaries, and we carry on as before.
The Rod Liddle comments on the Proms debacle is just Liddle being his usual dimwit self.
A pity, because, there’s many of us with a brain who dislike this exercise in mock worthiness.
But when I see “the BBC’s left wing bias” I know I’m dealing with the simple-minded. An organisation which spent the pre-election period promulgating anti-Corbyn propaganda in excelsis is hardly ‘left wing’ – as any previous research shows.
As to the whole unnecessary display of nonsense re. ‘Rule Britannia’ and ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ – it’s worth remembering – to put it in perspective that this issue has no connection with other stuff like Brexit – or Lock-Up. Post-referendum, the traditional stuff was sung with great gusto by pro–EU promenaders waving EU flags!
So let’s just stick to the knitting, rather than confuse matters with idiotic assertions using this serious crisis as a hat-peg for hanging the hobby-horse.
Well I think the BBC has a left-wing bias and I don’t consider myself simple-minded. But I would say that, wouldn’t I? They were anti Corbyn, but pro the Left wing Tories.
Anyway, I agree it’s a distraction and not important right now, and I can’t get excited right now about the Proms and Liddle is pro-lockdown, so not worth bothering with at present
I think the BBC are the enemy though, as they are IMO way more pro-lockdown than the government. They are not simply doing the government’s bidding I don’t think – they are pushing them. We may never know the truth.
Leaving aside possibly irrelevant arguments about whether the BBC is left or right wing, does it not seem to you that they are pushing a strong lockdown line independent of what the government says?
“But when I see “the BBC’s left wing bias” I know I’m dealing with the simple-minded. An organisation which spent the pre-election period promulgating anti-Corbyn propaganda in excelsis is hardly ‘left wing’ – as any previous research shows.“
Repeating this canard that the BBC is “not left wing” does not make it any less obviously untrue. It’s not remotely plausibly in dispute that, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, the vast majority of BBC staff support the Labour or LibDem parties, and that almost none of them support the “Conservatives”. Moreover many accounts have emerged of the few self-identified conservatives finding the culture within the BBC extremely hostile.
Here’s Jeremy Paxman in 2017:
“If you asked me what the politics of most people at the BBC are I should say that most people voted Remain, that most people were Labour/Liberal Democrat. I should say that by and large they were liberal with a small l on social issues. I should say that they were people who detested certain kinds of right-wing behaviour…”
For sure, there can be no honest dispute that the BBC wholesale has enthusiastically joined the left’s literal insanity over Trump.
Your error seems to be based mostly on the BBC’s hostility towards Corbyn at the last election. This is not a matter of being anti-leftwing, it’s more one of taking a side in the civil war within the left between Corbynites and Blairites. Was there an element of establishment dirty tricks in the anti-Corbyn campaign? Of course, but that’s irrelevant to the question of where the BBC’s broad political loyalties lie.
On just about every issue that can have a left/right choice on, the vast majority of BBC staff will come down on the left side, rather than a conservative/traditionalist/nationalist side. Persisting in your denial of this against all the evidence clearly must reflect a refusal on your part to accept a personally uncomfortable truth. As a left winger yourself, you doubtless view much of their all pervading leftist assumptions as mere good sense or common decency. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t what it actually is – left wing opinion and left wing indoctrination, when the BBC spreads it around.
I can’t confirm the truth of this, but years ago I heard that the BBC advertised mainly in the Guardian when seeking production staff, but mainly in the Telegraph for technical staff.
I believe Peter Sissons (in later years) virtually tore into the BBC more than once, as having a fundamental left-wing bias, sometimes simply parrotting The Guardian’s opinion du jour, and having zero tolerance for seeking diverse opinions or data on many topics, such as climate change.
i dont think it is a left/right thing.. It is more a liberal / conservative (small l and c) or metropolitan / non metropolitan split.
after all traditional working class labour voters are anathema to these people
That’s exactly what left/right means. The left is broadly (there are particularist exceptions) radical (liberal in that sense, not in the anti-authoritarian sense), internationalist, and anti-religious while the right is conservative, patriotic, religious.
People on both left and right can be either liberal (in the sense of being anti-authoritarian) or authoritarian to varying degrees. Americans tend to use the term liberal in the previous sense, Brits in this sense.
What left/right absolutely is not is a class divide. Class itself is a leftist concept (obviously) but there have always been working class conservatives and elite leftists. The matter was complicated in the early C20th by socialist appeals to material working class interests – populism, as they would call it if anyone other than their side were doing it.
Being anti Corbyn does not necessarily make someone right wing. It just means they don’t want to elect a Marxist, or to see the Labour party wiped out in an election.
You are wrong. The anti-Corbyn propaganda had much more to do with the fact that he was in many ways a genuine old-fashioned socialist instead of a woke identity politics robot. Opposing Corbyn in that sense was not in any way conservative, it was a complaint that he was not enough of a prog freak to please the superfluous intelligentsia. I despise all these people, but you cannot say the BBC has no left-wing bias because it opposed Corbyn when Corbyn, to them, is a Menshevik in the way of the Bolsheviks.
Failing to connect meaningful issues makes you blinkered. The Proms issue is important because it is another attack on something ordinary people value. Why do this? Why is it so important to the BBC to flip the bird to the entire country at this particular point in time? They aren’t helping to unite and strengthen the nation in any way, but they are kicking people when they are down. This is coming from the same people who were visibly disappointed by Brexit, and who have been shoving woke crap down the throat of the nation in revenge.
If you don’t see any connections here, your analytical skills are not something I would pay for.
I was listening to the Today Programme when some drudge said “Britains never shall be slaves…” sent the message that it was alright if others were and that at the time Britain was ‘up to its neck in the slave trade’ or similar.
Backtracking the following day the Today presenter flatly denied that any such claim was being made.
“The anti-Corbyn propaganda had much more to do with the fact that he was in many ways a genuine old-fashioned socialist instead of a woke identity politics robot.“
Exactly – it was a civil war within the left that the BBC took sides in.
Corbyn was also targeted because his foreign policy views were regarded as unhelpful to certain power agendas, and it’s quite likely there were state dirty tricks involved, utilising the BBC, but this was on top of the leftist civil war issue that has been ongoing since the 1970s, pretty much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1067&v=5UYnfr541ho&feature=emb_logo
Michael Levitt 11 min the only part I’ve watched. Ionnadis also in this long video .20th Aug discussion from California. Long video with treatment, epidemiology and different aspects of C-19 with many invited speakers
When Ionnadis was interviewed back in late March, I honestly thought that would be the beginning of the end of the hysteria. I’m still dumfounded that we’re still in this shithole months later.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.23.20179796v1.full.pdf
SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B cells frequency in recovered patient remains stable while antibodies decay over time
“We found that symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 patients mount a robust antibody response following infection however, the serological memory decays in recovered patients over the period of 6 months. On the other hand, the B cell response as observed in the SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B cell compartment, was found to be stable over time.”
Thanks for the link. This is the first one I’ve seen looking for B-cells rather than T-cells.
B-cells’ main job is to make antibodies. Once they’ve started doing that they’re called “plasma cells” (for some reason probably historical). Your body has a few tricks for keeping the antibodies hanging around in the blood for a while, one of which is for some of the plasma cells to live for much longer than usual so they actually just carry on producing antibodies to keep the levels topped up. These are “long lived plasma cells” (and they go and live in your bone marrow).
They found that the rate at which antibody levels dropped was correlated with the amounts of these long-lived plasma cells, as you might expect.
An even longer-term kind of immune memory is memory B-cells and memory T-cells. These two systems work together, so the presence of memory T-cells (which were found for SARS1 to last at least 17 years) implies memory B-cells as well. But this study actually found the memory B-cells for SARS2 and that the levels were stable over time (they probably last many years). These memory B-cells don’t produce antibodies but they remember how to. They lie in wait in lymph nodes and when SARS2 (or a similar virus) comes along they wake up and recreate the antibodies you had before. So you get infected but have only mild or no symptoms.
Long-lived plasma cells for smallpox can stick around for decades. I don’t think the fact that they don’t for SARS2 is a cause for concern (I would be surprised if other coronaviruses were not the same, and the effect has also been observed for influenza vaccines). The 6 months or so that sterilizing immunity lasts for looks like it’s perfectly adapted to the length of time these epidemics last. It’s important people don’t become re-infectious during the epidemic but after it’s all died down it doesn’t make sense that you would want high levels of antibodies in your blood for dozens of mild viruses lasting years and years.
I forgot to say, the other interesting they found, which also seemed to be the case for SARS1, was that high levels of antibodies were also associated with inflammation and disease severity. The cause and effect may be quite subtle here though. If you have a severe disease due to some other reason– high viral load perhaps– you would expect to find more antibodies in response to that. But it certainly wasn’t lack of antibodies causing the severe disease.
It does however also seem to be that case that “Th1” dominated responses (fewer antibodies, more killer-T cells and interferon-gamma) are associated with milder disease and also with more effective vaccines for this kind of thing.
I was subjected to some illogical lunacy at a National Trust property last Saturday and have just written to them to complain:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to complain about your cafe staff at Osterley House and Gardens and the “Covid 19 safety” procedures in said cafe.
My husband and I visited Osterley Gardens last Saturday (22 August) and before entering the gardens, I went to the cafe to buy 2 coffees and a shortbread. I was not wearing a face mask/covering as I am exempt and whilst your staff served me without any question, I felt unwelcome by them and I sensed that they were looking at me as if I was a disease-ridden bio hazard. After making the purchase, I handed my hot drinks loyalty card to be stamped but the woman at the counter refused to stamp the card, not really citing any reasonable or logical excuse. I can only assume that it had something to do with your “safety” protocols. She asked me if I wanted my receipt instead so I can have my card stamped when I return (which I suspect will not be for a while) and I didn’t want any argument so I agreed.
Whilst I understand that your measures are in line with government guidelines and to obtain that all important “We’re good to go” endorsement, many of these “Covid 19 safety” measures to me are illogical and do not make sense. On what grounds would the staff member refuse to stamp my card? There was no need for her to come into contact with my card and having seen staff members in the past put a stamp in my card, I have never seen any part of their hand touch said card. It is sad that common sense and good customer service has gone out of the window due to this crisis with many shops, restaurants and even museums and heritage sites treating their customers and visitors as lepers and an inconvenience.
Given that the National Trust has been in the news intermittently for months now for all the wrong reasons, I am very disappointed that not only does your organisation seek to move away from its core mission-vision but it also seems to seek to alienate people like me and my husband who are not members but enjoy visiting your properties for their historical and natural significance. The experience I had with the cafe at Osterley, is for me yet another example of the Trust’s disregard for its visitors and marks your organisation to be no different or no better to parts of the service sector who in the name of “safety” has consigned basic courtesy, decency and treating people with dignity to history.
Thank you and I look forward to your response.
Yours faithfully,
etc, etc
I get the feeling that I will get some weasel worded non apology but no matter, I have complained and hope that they take note.
You add further justification to my decision to resign my membership of this nasty, cowardly, craven organisation.
Mr Bart and I have been debating about getting a National Trust membership or not but given the lunacy we’ve been reading, we’ve decided to pass.
I once worked for NT in the IT Dept and was shocked at the amount they spend on IT and marketing/analytics. Maybe the current situation will make them review their spending priorities. AFAIK they are making redundancies but don’t know which parts of the organisation they will be in.
From the article I linked to a response to Cecil B, a lot of the redundancies will be with the curatorial, conservation and visitor services departments.
Is the cafe at Osterley still just self service with a very limited menu (it was still closed when I visited in July). On visits in the past a lunch in their stable cafe was a highlight of the day but I guess it is nothing like this at the moment. I foolishly let my subscription direct debit go through so it looks like I am in for another year but if it carries on like this it will be the last time.
It still has a very limited menu, you had to go to the counter to order your drink but self service for everything else – everything wrapped in plastic or takeaway containers.
Suspect covid will be used as an excuse to close everything down and sell off the assets. New housing estates coming to an area near you soon
The NT is planning to alter a lot of their properties according to this article:
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/comment/national-trust-restructuring-plan-job-cuts
So turn a lot of properties into commercial venues and shut out the public. Get rid of most of the staff in the process. Not wasting the crisis.
Friendly advice : people always make these letters too long. All you need to say is “stamp my card or else I’m not coming back. There’s no government law against stamping a card.”
Well said. I could have made a fuss but I could not be bothered especially as I saw the sheep behind me in the queue all muzzled up. I lost the will to live when I saw that.
i notice C4 just started new series with George Clarke “National Trust unlocked” where he takes the opportunity of visiting an NT property during lockdown and so he is completely alone .
Looks like the way NT is carrying on, it wont be long until those few remaining members get the opportunity to enjoy this isolation experience themselves
Indeed. As it stands now just as I won’t shed a tear if certain businesses go bust, won’t be doing the same either when the likes of the National Trust go in the way of the dodo. They only have themselves to blame.
When they sell off the assets, as a member, will I be entitled to a share? (wot like building societies dun)
Maybe you should write to them and ask that. Plus what happens if they have to file for bankruptcy.
Same here. I’ve gotten that look on public transport and certain shops and I simply state back which causes them to look away.
Strange things in Brazil
https://twitter.com/CFMorais65/status/1285963106334769153/photo/1
The excess death has disappeared but massive deaths of C-19 still reported in Brazil although declining a bit of cases and deathsOne comment
“This same pictures is evident elsewhere – all cause mortality returns to normal within 8-10 weeks, then falls below expected. Meanwhile, daily Covid deaths continue to be reported. Obviously, we cured heart disease and cancer while no one was looking!”
I am starting to lose more and more faith in common sense everyday.
I am sure they’ll be mandating masks outside next. When did the country flip from mocking hypochondriacs to being run by them?
Thanks to anyone who commented on the topic of the advisor to Scotland and DELVE yesterday. Really an impressive range of thoughts and experience may have amounted to her stepping away from the UK role. We can hope anyway!
One thing that can be deduced from the stupidity of a top globalist science advisor’s innane twit babble is that there is a desperation to declare reinfections of Sars CoV 2. They absolutely need our natural immune systems to be susceptable to repeated bouts with Sars CoV 2.
Hong Kong the Belgium both relative fanfare of reinfection only to be simply rebuffed. Tell the lie enough times and people with believe.
Expect more ‘discoveries’ of reinfections.
The enthusiasm to find such cases strongly suggests that the motivations of that woman and those like her are not honourable or good for humanity
Her other two specific ‘alternative facts’ in the Unherd interview were ‘long covid’ and ‘children having heart attacks’, neither of which have any peer-reviewed medical or scientific support from what I can see.
That heart attack line is being repeated on social media a lot. People just jump toward the fear with glee.
“Still shielding, at home, in my mask, sexless and lonely”
Paranoid Android
The term ‘long’ covid. Is that following a naming convention with other viral infections? As I understand the concept the idea is of a long period of ill-health caused initially by covid but not actually covid. So an example might be ME brought caused by covid. This seems quite a complex medical detective conundrum to establish and group under the title Long Covid.
I would suppose at this point nobody has made a full recovery from a diagnosis of Long Covid.
The number of victims getting bandied around is 500,000 in the UK alone. About 50% more than the number of “confirmed” cases (327,000 or so), so I guess asymptomatic people end up with long covid too.
DELVE – not worthy of respect when they admitted their mask report was not peer-reviewed, was written by the daughter of their governing body’s leader, said there had been no human RCTs performed on covid-19 transmission to data analyse and if masks stop/slow it down and they quoted as a good study the masked hamster experiment as proof masks work.
I agree – I reread my comment. My error, I shoukd have written more correctly “[We have] Really an impressive range of thoughts and experience may have amounted…” I wasn’t meaning DELVE are impressive.
The Belgian paper was quickly found by Swedenborg and seen to be not unusual in the slightest.
Hamsters in masks and this is reason for humans to be forced into them? Not ok.
What I am seeing is a weak link, an incompetent and I’m trying to get advantage out of that.
Please can you remind me of the link to the ‘rebuff’ to the re-infection lie? Want to post a reply to a scaremonger on Facebook
See patrick henningsen twitter and swedenborg comment yesterday.
The reason why the bbc do not want to broadcast Rule Britannia etc is that the words:
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Are directly contrary to their own policies.
I said it before, the bbc should be renamed the ppc – the public policy committee.
Is the ‘s’ word hate speech? What is their given reason for the line being unutterable?
From a femininst point of view eve eve eve is quite the subliminal hit, I’d have thought the Beeb would be turning the volume to 11.
Wasn’t it written when we were being raided by the Barbary Pirates anyway?
According to this yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwixwe-cNw&feature=share
Well, the words are not true are they? We are becoming slaves.
Maybe they want to make sure we don’t get our hopes up…
Oooh! Yes! The bbc purveyors of the finest truths. How can the allow untruths to be sung? There’s something to consider.
BBC in full flow today inciting riots
Good for them. Why aren’t our side rioting back?
In what way?
Song for Boris:
’I’m Spinning Around’ ; Kylie Minogue.
Sturgeon is tugging on Mr Blobby’s leash.
However, the recently released GERS figures will challenge the SNP’s promised land narrative.
Lest we forget while debating masks in schools, they are doubtless being mandated in universities. This, from the UCL website:
“As per UK Government’s advice, people should wear a face covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and where they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet. UCL’s guidance for those on campus is:
Face coverings are now strongly encouraged when you’re on campus, both inside buildings and when moving around campus. This includes in offices, labs and teaching spaces. They must be worn by all staff, students and visitors if coming within two metres of someone else.
Everyone should aim to provide their own covering for general purposes. UCL will ensure that face coverings are available on campus to purchase. Wearing a face covering is new for all of us and we will need to work together to remind each other and our students when we forget and also gently point out our policy to visitors.
Face coverings should be worn during classroom teaching and UCL will provide coverings with clear panels to staff to support this and other activities where not being able to see the mouth will inhibit the ability to communicate. These are being procured centrally and will be distributed to all departments by the Estates team.
Where identified as a mandatory requirement for particular roles through risk assessment, UCL will provide face coverings or masks to staff.
It is understood that wearing face coverings all day can be uncomfortable and therefore if you are alone in a room, or outside and with plenty of space, we encourage you to take breaks from wearing your face covering. Please contact your line manager if you have concerns.
UCL acknowledges that there may be good reasons why you are not able to wear a face covering. We are encouraging staff who cannot use face coverings to obtain and use a face covering exemption card from TfL, to signal to others on campus that they are unable to use face coverings.
Face coverings may also present additional challenges for people who are D/deaf or have another hearing or communication impairment; or Neurodivergent people and those with cognitive impairments. The UCL Deafness Cognition and Language Research Centre (DCAL) have issued a statement with more information and advice. Please be sensitive to those unable to use face coverings for whatever reason and behave respectfully towards all members of the community at this time.
UCL supports the sunflower campaign to highlight non visible disabilities. This is to signal discreetly to others that you may need extra assistance, rather than that you are exempt from using a face covering per se. If individuals have concerns, they should contact their department, line manager, Workplace Health or Student Support and Wellbeing. “
Interesting that they highlight those with hearing difficulties having particular problems with masks. That is one of the reasons I am claiming exemption, top marks for them in highlighting it. Not that I agree with their policies of course. Great niece is just about to start at Oxford, guess she will have to follow the same palaver.
In general they seem pretty hot on disability discrimination and inclusiveness
Inclusiveness unless you have “right wing” views, I should say…
I’d like to see their risk assessment though.. I wonder if by referring to it, they are trying to ‘ward off’ any questions as to whether such an assessment has been carried out, and hoping no one will ask to see it. Likely the risk assessment doesn’t justify the policy…
I FEEL SICK.
Universities. Places with intelligent people in them. Places where people are taught to think critically.
What?
“Places where people are taught to think critically.”
The critical thinking skills seem to be applied selectively
Anyway, masks are a political, rather than medical/scientific issue
And lastly, no-one will ever get fired for making masks mandatory – it’s the safety first choice (so they think) and will always be now – as soon as it started here there was never any going back
Is Jeremy Bentham going to get a face mask too?
i knew a student at UCL. He got a 2.1 but apparently prior to the exam his grade had been estimated as being a 20,000.1
Students already make themselves vulnerable wandering around the place staring at their phone, earplugs in and now masked up. That leaves only touch for sensory perception of the outside world.
Absolutely.
The round up link ‘here come the Detention centres’ led me to recall that New York has done this before.
My parents would say to me ” you don’t eat your greens Typhoid Mary will come visiting”.
I remember that she passed typhoid to people in early 20C upstate New York despite not being I’ll herself and laws had to be passed specifically to detain her
A quick Google reveals that she was the first American to be identified as an asymptomatic carrier of disease. She refused to desist in her occupation of cook to the rich and famous (typhoid being associated with the slums of NYC).
She died after 26 years enforced isolation.
64 million subsidised lunches for a nation that isn’t too scared to go to a busy restaurant but is too scared to go to the office.
We deserve to go bankrupt.
They do, we don’t.
Indeed, I’m feeling increasingly resentful at being dragged down with these people.
Two thoughts:
1. I have read that Boris Johnson says he will leave it up to individual headteachers to decide whether masks will be worn. So, what qualifies a teacher to make decisions about virology? Thankfully, my children are well beyond school age, but if they weren’t, I would be writing to their headteacher asking for the coherent risk assessment behind the decision, referenced by controlled research. Just to help, I’d be pointing out the evidence for the psychological and physical damage caused by prolonged mask wearing, whilst reminding the head that I have put the school on notice of these risks should harm occur as a result if masks are imposed.
2. If our government is to “follow the science”, then the obvious thing for them to do is to see if their policy works. We fear that children will misuse their masks*, so random swabbing of children’s masks and of the places they put their masks will help to inform us as to whether the masks are making the transmission of pathogens of various kinds more or less likely. Surely, that’s a sensible step.
*As a retired health professional, I know that the donning, removal and disposal of masks requires training and regular audit of effective use. I also know they are uncomfortable and hinder communication.
A relative of mine does some contractual work for the British Transport Police. He has been told by them that he need not wear a mask unless he is in view of the public. So what does that tell us?
Beat me to it
It’s another example of what’s called “security theatre” in America, in regards to flying. You know, getting your luggage checked by some bored TSA agent so that you “feel safe” that the government is watching out for you.
I’ve been trying to come up with a similar name for the nonsense we’re experiencing, but “virus theatre” doesn’t quite do it.
I’ve been calling it Covid theatre since the beginning. And I also likened it to the security theatre that has never ended. When I used to travel, a mere 6 months ago, I was always amazed at how the sheeple would automatically remove their shoes even when it wasn’t asked of them. This is why I fear this crap will be with us for a VERY long time as people become accustomed to having a mask with them and automatically take it on and off like good little boys and girls.
Covid theatre? – It came out out accidentally today whilst in the post office, I was in the queue and the couple ahead of me asked me to move away from them and to observe social distancing. I said ‘no thank you, I don’t engage in covid theatre’ and stayed put.
I’ve definitely heard the phrase ‘covid theatre’, just can’t remember where from.
Hadn’t read the post from Lisa from Toronto!
Someone referred to masks as “safety theatre” to me today
Reported in Telegraph ‘ Boris Johnson has admitted the Government’s U-turn on face masks in schools was inspired by Scotland’s “sensible” move to mandate their use in communal areas… He added: “As they discovered in Scotland, where they’ve had the kids in for at least a couple of weeks now, what they found was that it was raining outside, people were coming in and they were congregating in the corridors and the move to face coverings they thought was sensible.”‘
Phew. Since it never rains south of the border there’s obviously no chance of England following suit.
Reported in Telegraph ‘ Boris Johnson has admitted the Government’s U-turn on concentration camps was inspired by Adolf Hitler’s “sensible” move to mandate their use in Nazi Germany… He added: “As they discovered in Germany, where they’ve had the ghettos for at least a couple of years, what they found was that it was much easier to control things and do what needs to be done and the move to full centralised camps they thought was sensible.”‘
Not sure about that. It was after all the Brits who invented the concentration camp for holding the Boers during that war.
“It was after all the Brits who invented the concentration camp for holding the Boers during that war.”
This is another of those things that everyone “knows” that aren’t actually true, like “Britain is a nation of immigrants”.
In reality, modern concentration camps were first used by the Spanish in Cuba, and shortly afterwards by the Yanks in the Philippines and the British in South Africa, in response to guerilla warfare.
“Before the first prisoner entered the Soviet Gulag, before “Arbeit macht frei” appeared on the gates of Auschwitz, before the 20th century had even begun, concentration camps found their first home in the cities and towns of Cuba.“
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0826/1161376-isolation-school/
So, if your kid has got a runny nose, they have to be put into a garden shed.
Seriously. As a teacher, if you are not willing to act within the bounds of risk (which we’ve already been told repeatedly is incredibly small for even transmission of the virus) for a kid, and instead, are so scared by this (the social shame of getting CV-19 is more of a fear for them I think) you need to put your student in a shed, you need to remove yourself from your career.
Is the cognitive dissonance that far reaching now? That masks work, but will still need a garden shed isolation room to save us all from certain death?
This article is a new low.
Most children at nursery and primary school have permanently runny noses. This is going to work well isn’t it? Lol!
Runny noses are good.
Most teachers, at least after a couple of years in the classroom develop great immune systems. Catching something is a hazard of the job, but really no more of an issue than for many others commuting by train or tube.
I used to teach at colleges and universities in the US. My students loved to come up and tell me about the illness they had they made them miss class. After years of catching things from them, eventually my immune system had a great repertoire and I stopped getting sick.
One of the few joys left in my life is that I’ve retired from teaching. I would have to resign anyway – there’s no way I’d teach wearing a mask to a room full of masked students.
Very true!
All the travel industry job losses that are coming re no surprise and the WTTC is going to make things a lot worse.
They wrote a letter to Governments recently asking for:
https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Government-Hub/Global-coordination-to-save-the-sector
They call it “to save the sector”. More like a suicide note.
Wearing a mask: This should be mandatory on all modes of transport throughout the entire traveller journey, as well as when visiting any interior venue and in locations where there is restricted movement which results in close personal contact and required physical distancing cannot be maintained.
Testing and contact tracing: We need governments to invest and agree on extensive, rapid, and reliable testing, ideally with results available in as quick as 90 minutes, and at a low cost, before departure and/ or after arrival (symptomatic and asymptomatic would-be travellers), supported by effective and agreed contact tracing tools. The application of one or multiple tests, with the second after five days, will help to isolate infected people.
Quarantine for positive tests only: Quarantine for healthy travellers, which only serves to damage the economy, should not be necessary if testing is in place before departure and/or on arrival, and effective containment measures are taken five days later. This can replace blanket quarantine in a more targeted and effective way significantly reducing the negative impact on jobs and the economy.
I did write to them asking them to explain their stance and giving scientific evidence what they had stated was wrong but unsurprisingly no answer from them.
On the WTTC website biographies page there is this to say about their Presdient and CEO Gloria Guevara:
Gloria has been Special Advisor on Government Affairs to Harvard University, and part of the Future for Travel, Tourism and Aviation Global Agenda Council of the World Economic Forum (WEF).
Tiffany Mizrahi – VP policy has this comment:
“She recently completed an Executive Master in Leadership as part of the World Economic Forum’s Global Leadership Fellows Programme.”
Kathleen matthews – Ambassador:
chairwoman of the Maryland Democratic Party and a member of the Democratic National Committee. Also “chaired the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council for the travel industry”
Another few well well wells who would have guessed.
I am coming to terms with the fact that my lifetime in travel and my business I have built up over the last 18 years will soon be over. I cannot see many travel businesses making it through this. Shame I have no PA skills as would apply for Toby’s role.
Sorry to hear about your business, and hope you get through this after all.
Ha, same here. Think I need to retrain, can’t see demand returning for a long time if this is what the industry has in mind. It took me 5 years to get my Aircraft Maintenance Licence, which is increasingly looking like it will become a worthless piece of paper!
What will the growth industries be in the post lockdown dystopian future?
Sceptic prison camp guard.
Amongst the UK industries destroyed over the years was train engineering (we led the world, briefly, in the 70s with tilting trains etc). We instead concentrated on Aerospace. Now planes=bad high speed trains=good. Who benefits? Germany, Japan, China…
Funnily enough I’ve been looking into going into rolling stock. Am I jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?
There’s only Derby left now I think? Some other places with assembly of foreign made parts, which the MSM don’t realise isn’t really manufacturing.
Aeronauticals are being royally battered in all this :o((
Expect airlines to go bust.
Go for it anyway, PA is just a general dogsbody who can organise things.
I’m sure you have many transferable skills. But I’m saddened to hear this, especially as it is no normal recession that has caused it.
Very sorry about your business. I work in a sector that’s closely allied with yours and if the travel industry goes bust, museums and heritage will suffer badly.
Frightening. The testing. Low cost, results in 90 minutes.
The low costs tests are worse than what they use now and the accuracy is a nonsense. They basically want a load of fakery to make it look like its safe.
Doubling down and then some. They’ve accepted the fear agenda is here to stay and the new normal is to just perform a little rain dance to make it all go away.
We are heading for lalalala land
The “global coordination” the WTTC should be demanding is for clear statements that the emergency is completely over, in all those countries in which the epidemic has clearly finished. And in those countries there should be a commitment to a complete and immediate return to normal.
I know that, you know that, most people know that.
But the WEF overlords their uproot to won’t let them, not part of the green utopia narrative with travel only for those who float to the top, not for the lower class minions like em and you fi we don’t get carted off to a re-education camp..
… because the mandatory masks have worked out so well for the retail sector, dumbarses!
Just designed to soften people up for the covipass…
Pussywhipped by a sturgeon.
Friend of mine getting a bit philisophiclaa nd sent em some inspirational posters.
i can only attache one at a time to a post so I’ll do them individually.
Might lift your spirits if you re feeling a bit despondent today.
Uplifting message 2
Think we should post that one about on social media as much as possible!
Sums up today
Great quote
Next Saturday’s rally should end with a Vera Lynn singalong.
One more – I think we’ve passed this point
Make that covidiots.
Especially with smartphones and tablets.
Last one – we’re on the 3rd generation now.
“Clogs to clogs in three generations” as we say in Stoke!
I have just seen that there is an ask the Prime Minister a question thing going on as @
https://www.gov.uk/ask
I doubt my question will be selected but I thought I might have a go and have quickly drafted up a question as below, I thought I would just put it up for comments before I submit it.
Incidents of Covid 19 disease and deaths are now very low and in this situation with previous disease outbreaks we would, by now, be declaring the disease to be over and getting back to normal. However, we are now conducting many tests for the Sars-Cov2 virus and using the results of these tests to determine highly significant and costly public health measures such as the compulsory use of facemasks in schools. PCR testing for the SARS-Cov2 virus was originally intended as a diagnostic tool not as the major determining factor in deciding public health policy.
Will the Prime Minister undertake to carry out a multi-disciplinary review of SARS-Cov2 testing, to consider its effectiveness, its accuracy, what the results mean and how appropriate test results are in the determination of public health policy?
Good luck. maybe someone who reads them might actually start thinking independently at some point.
I put in quite a few questions, never picked.
Excellent question.
great question
Sent this back to my friend, getting closer and closer to this daily
You probably need a Honey Badger anxiety companion animal. As well as tearing strips off annoying people it would keep mask zelots away by demonstrating your exempt status.
Just found this in one of the linked articles above.
Prof Hannah Cloke, Professor of Hydrology at the University of Reading, said the latest figures for the August week were “extraordinary”, suggesting climate change could be having a greater impact than Covid-19.
She said: “In the absence of evidence of any new Covid-19 spike, the ONS has actually put its finger on a potentially much more alarming silent killer, by suggesting that high temperatures are to blame.
“This is truly extraordinary. While more research needs to be done to confirm this, it is very likely that the week-long heatwave that saw tropical nights and regular daytime temperatures above 35 degrees killed hundreds of people.
“Heatwaves are one of the extremes of weather that are most closely linked to climate change. As the average temperature rises, potentially lethal extremes of heat in places like the UK and other densely populated regions will become more common,” she added.
OMG! Panic! Hot weather is more lethal than covid! Quick, mandate that everyone must carry a fan and cold drink with them at all times! £3000 fine for non-compliance! In fact, why not carry two bottles with you so that you can give one to someone else and save lives!
Amazingly, so is cold weather. In fact it’s a lot more lethal than hot weather. Just look at the death curves, year after year after year!!
We need a new Establishment.
Friend in the west coast USA, I think it was last year, Jan-Feb was the coldest it’s been in absolutely decades. Few months back – Kazakhstan, people buried under piles of snow. Turkey, similarly. Clearly Scientists need to take a serious look at this Global Cooling..
‘notalotofpeopleknowthat’ site is an excellent source of refutations of all that sort of nonsense.
Its now official, 2 + 2 = 5 is the ‘new normal scotland’
As we all know here, our current merry band of politicians are not very good with statistics – evidence based science being the most obvious. Well below is another example from the ‘new normal’ snp scotland that they now think 2 + 2 = 5.
Remember, we must end austerity, create a well-being economy (does this mean we will all become yoga teachers or equality officers?) and introduce universal basic income (in other words, continue to be paid to do nothing).
Scotland spent £15.1bn more on public services than it raised in taxes last year, according to Scottish government statistics.
This public spending deficit was £2bn higher than the previous year, and represented 8.6% of the country’s GDP.
The figures cover the financial year to 5 April 2020, so do not reflect the full impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The deficit for the UK as a whole rose from 1.9% of its GDP to 2.5% for the same period.
The statistics also estimated that Scotland raised £308 less per person than the UK average in taxation, while public spending was £1,663 per person higher in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53917226
No matter, English money fills the gap, that’s why the Scots hate the cruel English.
What is it with teachers?
My next door neighbours are both retired teachers and are the most brainwashed Covid scaredicats I know. Two doors down, lives another retired headmaster—-won’t come withing twenty feet of you never mind two meters. And around the corner lives yet another retired teacher who is married to a retired school inspector—never left their house or garden for five months. Is it a coincidence that these people, entirely dependent on the state not only for their education but for their subsequent livelihoods and inflation proofed pensions are quite incapable of thinking for themselves? Does the absence of anything approaching a rounded experience of earning a living in–or indeed any interaction in– the real world somehow make them incapable of independent thought and of possessing any degree of common sense?
Again, All of the aforementioned people are lifetime readers of the ‘Guardian’, addicted to BBC news and believe that the government is acting in our best interests. This in spite of Boris Johnson being the devil incarnate only a few short months ago when all of them voted Labour, although to a man (and woman) not liking Jeremy Corbyn.
Apologies to any teachers here who might be reading and indeed who are sceptics but it seems to me that you are very much the exception to the rule.
It’s what’s known as a non-random sample added to by confirmation bias – the usual basis for bad analysis.
I am a teacher, although quite late to the profession after a career in business and consultancy. I know what you mean – there is an accepted bias with no desire or ability to think critically about political and real world issues. I have found very few whom I could discuss Brexit in an open way (as a pro-Brexit supporter) and far fewer who are COVID sceptical.
And incidentally,
These self same state dependent brainwashed types were the only ones in my vicinity out banging their pots and pans and blowing their whistles on a Thursday evening when the NHS disappeared up its own back side.
Stephen Maturin is quite clear about the teaching profession – “makes them unfit for civilised company” (or words to that effect).
Oh dear.
Mr Williamson ruled out extending the face masks rules even further as he told the BBC: ‘No, no, there’s no intention of extending it beyond that because as both (Deputy Chief Medical Officer) Dr Jenny Harries said and (Schools Minister Nick Gibb) said is that actually that isn’t what is required.
So that will be happening tomorrow then, for sure…
Musings from the south coast.
Canterbury would normally be buzzing with foreign tourists and school parties at this time of the year. It is looking pretty dead to me. Each time we visit (the last was at Christmas) another shop or two seems to have closed but this time it was worse than ever.
A pretty little town on the south coast is looking in a similar state. Last time we visited, it was hard to make your way along crowded pavements but yesterday it looked like early closing day, which it wasn’t.
First stop was to buy a bucket and spade. The poster in the shop window said that the owners would not be policing face masks. Began by thanking them for their understanding and ended up having a great conversation with mother and son-both sceptics. Introduced them to this site and Swiss Policy Research.
Took our grandson to the little funfair- glad to see notices saying “We would appreciate it if you wore a face covering” rather than the brusque messages of some posters. It was quite crowded in the funfair-very little social distancing and only a handful of masks. Everyone was having fun and even the short pause between each ride to disinfect, wasn’t a problem.
OH had a bit of a set-to in the chemist’s shop. Apparently he wasn’t standing far enough away from the man in front and was also barked at for not wearing a mask. OH flashed his lanyard at the grumpy git, but before he could defend himself, the lady behind him in the queue told the grumpy git to mind his own business and that he shouldn’t be asking anyone the reason for being maskless. Thank you, kind lady, whoever you are.
Room service have been very busy at the hotel where we are staying. Apparently there was a large party of Metropolitan Police Officers staying here whilst they did firearms training-Premier Inns are obviously not good enough-only the best for Cressida’s men!
What is it about chemist shops and there lack of customer consideration? Last time I was in one (before 24/7) I was asked my personal details whilst standing near the doorway by an assistant at the counter – needless to say I said that I would not be shouting my personal details to all and sundry.
Had this experience before with Halifax (way pre covid); immediately jumped on & virtually shouted at by the door, lest I get so far as to the queue and actually have a desire to deal with a human being… Asked the nature of my business, what I was doing precisely, I replied that’s confidential information that I’m not prepared to state in the middle of the floor! & not long after switched banks.
‘Firearms training’ – how did you find out about that, and more importantly, *why* were they doing it?
Presumably so they don’t
murderkill any more innocents on Tube trains.It’s a toughie – but at the end of the day, those with firearms should probably get a bit of training, don’t you think ?
I’m worried about it being one step up from the way the French police reacted to the yellow vest protests..
Good point. Though on the other hand I knew someone literally just across the road when one of the terror attacks went down, London Bridge & Borough market area, they saw first hand a Police officer with complete disregard for his own safety charging down a maniac with what looked something like a samurai sword, despite the fact that said officer was armed with not much more than a copy of the Evening Standard & a doughnut. I don’t totally blame the Police for wanting to be a bit more prepared.. the streets are dangerous. Knife attacks, acid attacks; according to Sadiq Khan Londoners have got to watch out for those horrendous racist road names too,…..
“Clichés, stock phrases, adherence to conventional, standardized codes of expression and conduct have the socially recognized function of protecting us against reality, that is, against the claim on our thinking attention that all events and facts make by virtue of their existence.”
― Hannah Arendt,
Thinking ahead
We know covid is over and there will be no second wave
What about the financial fall out?. The perceived wisdom appears to be that it’s going to be a blood bath
However after the first and second world wars, my understanding is that the twenties and fifties saw good times
Any thoughts?
Also, what to do? Keep cash? buy stocks? Wait and see?
Just looking for some thoughts/opinions of where we will be going
You’ve got to think the disruption to the economy and repayment of the debt to ourselves will last at least a decade.
Britain the 50s was pretty austere still. Don’t think things got more comfortable until the 60s.
Covid may be over but the coronapanic and ongoing medico fascism is not over, and probably won’t be in my lifetime
Cash v stocks I would say stocks if they are the right ones. The value of cash will be eroded, more than usual
There will be a second wave. Cancer deaths from delayed treatment. 2.1 million currently waiting for screening and treatment. Clap the NHS for that! https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/
Mass murder.
Personally,
For those even more prepper-oriented …
Depends entirely on how long these idiots drag this out to try and cover up their crimes/ claim credit for nature’s work in “beating” the virus. The Johnson dare not do anything much until after Christmas so I wouldn’t do anything too soon. But after 64 million half price meal covers have seen a continuation of the collapse in hospitalisation or death numbers we can say with a degree of confidence that Covid is all but gone. My worry now is mass sickness and diarrhoea from everyone touching their putrid face masks and then touching everything in the shop…
Gold and silver coins. Gold for expensive stuff, silver for everyday cheaper stuff.
Pasta, rice, Smash, tinned veg, tinned tomatoes etc. anything that keeps a lot longer than the best before/use by date.
Alcohol.
1st aid stuff.
Vitamin C tablets
Lots of sea salt, seasonings
Lots of candles.
matches, firelighters
Air rifle and pistol – pellets can be recovered and reused over and over if you have a mould.
Shotgun and lots of cartridges if so inclined
BBQ, lots of kindling and charcoal, seasoned wood.
Good set of knives and a big and small axe for the “firewood”
Dutch oven and other stuff that can be used on wood fires, uses charcoal – Lakeland have a good “oven” (I have one, cannot remember the name) you can roast a whole chicken in using bout 15 boots of charcoal.
Vitamin D as well as C! Plus zinc..
If we were in the USA I’d say buy a gun.
Massive inflation is my bet as the government prints money to pay its bills.
General update from the last few days
Good on you. Keep reporting!
The rule (or is it guidance?) which I see ignored most frequently, probably because it’s one of the most obviously nonsensical, is the one about wearing a mask when queuing for a coffee etc as you’re then going to take it off when you sit down in the place to eat and drink.
I’m kind of enjoying watching Johnson’s career being slowly flushed down the shitter.
This was his time to shine – the lovable roguish buffoon finally steps up to the big seat and it has all turned to utter shit.
Barring him growing a spine and putting an end to all this foolishness, he’s totally finished as a politician and his legacy must now be in tatters.
He’ll be forever remembered as the guy who managed to unite the entire country in hatred of him, albeit for different reasons.
He has a majority of 80 and more than 4 years left to run, and no-one is challenging him or holding him to account, neither in his own part nor among the opposition nor in the media, with a few notable exceptions
Doesn’t look like anything is in tatters to me
It might be if the world wakes up from the madness, but that could take decades
Surely Gove is playing some sort of game? Have heard very little from him since he said that masks shouldn’t be mandatory…not that I really trust him but he’s got to be better than Johnson.
The problem is they have all more or less backed Johnson’s mad strategy, it would be difficult for someone to challenge him now with any credibility.
I find it so depressing that so many backbenchers were prepared to cause no end of trouble on Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement, and yet we have had virtually no meaningful opposition to anything Johnson has done on covid. In my view, Johnson’s strategy on Covid has been one of the most disastrously flawed public policy decisions ever, far exceeding anything that May did.
I think the rank and file are stirring from their summer camps – comment of Charles Walker (deputy chair of 1922) this morning on the radio was significant. I have commented on here before, I don’t think Boris lasts much past Christmas. October, for me, is the turning point, triggered by a ‘credit event’. Problem is, who replaces him – needs some grey hairs, backbone and intellect and not sure there are any/many obvious candidates!
Boris out in 6 months – tallies up nicely with just after the jan 2021 WEF Davos summit where the next set of instructions for the next phase gets issued.
Interesting – is there an agenda for that meeting anywhere? Be ‘nice’ to know what horrors they have planned next..
On their website:
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/06/the-great-reset-a-unique-twin-summit-to-begin-2021
Was spoken about in the comments a few days ago in depth about some of the participants and how their tracking technology for cattle cane easily be modified for human use.
Oh what fun (not)!
Steve Baker? John Redwood?
Whoever takes over, it will be a poisoned chalice. But what’s important is the likes of Johnson and Hancock getting their just desserts.
That’s given me an idea: my MP, Geoffrey Cox!
Think I’ll write to him suggesting he start positioning himself.
Never underestimate a politician’s vanity.
My guess is that he will limp on to cut an even more pathetic figure than May and that under all the bluster even he will be fully aware which will be punishment of a sort.
Murmurings from the 1922 committee.They are not happy with the school mask u-turn.First sign of dissent within Tory party
Went to local independent stationer near here today to buy a couple of cards. He told masked customer. We don’t need masks in here. Three cheers. So many of our small independent shops not requiring masks. True heroes.
I wish they were doing that in my neck of the woods. Apart from one shop that has been relaxed throughout, the majority are conforming & it is thoroughly depressing.
“The Bungler, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind
The Bungler is blowin’ in the wind” (again…)
‘Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now.’
Soon he might be twisting in the wind. Figuratively speaking.
Re letter from care home to relatives, re DNR, I doubt whether this is legal. You cannot force someone to sign. Consult a lawyer if you receive a letter like this.
My employer manages a building which the Blood Service uses. It has been going on during Lockdown, and now they are here every week. Usually it was twice a month.
Why do they need so much blood when there are no operations?
Wasn’t the Blood Donor Service sold off years ago to an American outfit who then sold it on a few years later at vast profit to a Chinese mob?
I’m sure it was.
They sell the blood to not just the NHS but excess that isn’t used goes to the highest bidder.
Will try and dig out the reports on it.
CCCP?
.
Blood is sold internationally – huge profits
Does Peter Hitchens know this? He’s been a blood donor for years – although is refusing to give blood while the NHS make him wear a mask..
I was somewhat shocked when he mentioned in one of his Mike Graham interviews, something about that the press had somehow got hold of the details of his next blood donation appointment and turned up there ready to pounce if he refused a mask – surely that must be a breach of patient confidentiality?
Well thank you AG & Victoria, I could have just linked to the Wiki page and waited, but it’s short enough for everyone to see it here:
‘During the 1970s and 1980s it became apparent that Factor VIII products produced at the Blood Products Laboratory, established in 1954 by the Medical Research Council) had infected haemophiliacs with life-threatening viruses.
In 1991 it was renamed the Bio Products Laboratory to reflect the internal market in the National Health Service … BPL began cross-charging NHS hospitals for its products and limited competition in the international blood plasma market was permitted.
In 1998 the BPL began sourcing its plasma from the US due to concerns over vCJD in the UK. ..
On 31 December 2010 the BPL was vested into a limited company, Bio Products Laboratory Ltd, and ownership transferred to the DoH, with BPL Ltd and DCI Biologicals Inc brought under the same DoH holding company, Plasma Resources UK Ltd.
On 18 July 2013 it was announced by Business Secretary Vince Cable that Bain Capital (US firm) had bought 80% of Plasma Resources UK (PRUK) from the DoH for £230m, which included both BPL and DCI Biologicals. The company was subsequently renamed BPL Holdings, with the original BPL site now called BPL Therapeutics and DCI named BPL Plasma. In July 2016, Bain Capital sold BPL Holdings to Creat, a Chinese-based investment company who part own a Chinese plasma fractionator. In 2018, Creat announced plans to integrate BPL with the German plasma products manufacturer Biotest.’
The blood plasma outfit features below its fruit juice enterprise (!) in the link to Creat below:
http://www.creatgroup.com/?Area/Manufacturing.html
Selling off the family jewels if you like – we have no domestic control over either PPE production or blood plasma supply now, it’s all run from China.
For this, could be a better response than all the vaccine hype (bold type is mine):
NHS Blood and Transplant is now urgently appealing for people to donate convalescent plasma.
The NHS needs as many donors as possible to come forward now who have already had Coronavirus.
The welcome decline in new infections means every potential donor is now even more valuable. Antibody levels are at their highest soon after recovery. A successful trial will enable convalescent plasma to be an additional line of protection during any second wave.
Gail Miflin, Chief Medical Officer, NHS Blood and Transplant, said: “We need people to offer to donate now so we are ready to potentially provide an additional line of protection during any second wave.
“The number of new infections has declined greatly which is fantastic news. Fewer people are getting COVID 19. This does mean we need to work harder to recruit new donors and we urgently need as many people as possible who have recovered to donate, to help us make as much progress as possible now.
“We especially need men who have recovered to donate because they have higher antibody levels. Donating plasma is safe and easy and you could save lives.
“Plasma from people who have recovered from COVID 19 can be transfused into people who are still unwell and struggling to develop their own immune response. The plasma contains neutralising antibodies which could stop the virus spreading. If you’ve had Coronavirus, please consider donating to help others.”
Although there is evidence of patient benefit from the use of convalescent plasma, the safety and effectiveness of COVID 19 convalescent plasma transfusions needs to be confirmed by a robust clinical trial. The trial results are expected later this year although dates will depend on the progress of the pandemic.
Plasma donation takes about 45 minutes. Your body usually replaces the plasma you’ve donated in 24-48 hours. Your body also quickly replaces the antibodies. People can donate plasma as often as every two weeks.
• If you’ve had coronavirus, please offer to donate by calling or 0300 123 23 23 or by visiting http://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk.
Steve Baker MP letter to Boris on the subject of failing experts.
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1284378971099013121?s=20
Only taken him 5 months to realise.
What’s he been doing up to now?
Fuck all
Not getting too involved so as to not be seen as ‘tainted’ (by association with the bad decisions so far taken), if the chance for a ministerial or other position comes up???
…interesting take, I was about to post something derisive about Steve Baker – re: his silence since his speech in March…
Would have been my choice for leader of cons if he had made it to the last two.
He’s unworthy, though maybe less unworthy than some others
The whole bloody lot of them need clearing out
Cowards and criminals, every man jack of them
We need a whole new establishment.
Perhaps it’s time to try anarchy.
Anarchy as a serious political alternative, that is.
Anybody here read Rothbard or Mises?? Anarchy is a lofty and moral prerogative. J. Tucker knows his shit too.
The obesity of The State needs tackiing. Serious trimming of the fat.
MW suggested, your wish is my command!
This be the worse
They mask you up, your mum and dad
To send you to your ghastly school
Where moron teachers, coward-mad,
Insist on every stupid rule.
And they were masked up by diktats
Issued by crazy Fascist brutes
To scare the lazy, shiftless rats
The zombie mob, the brainless mutes.
Hysteria flies from man to man,
Sealing the mouth and choking breath:
Humanity’s gone down the pan,
Life’s just another mode of death.
By Annie Larkin
who takes life seriously
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
The video had all the children masked if I remember
It does, and if you look at the recent comments this has been noted by quite a few people
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qs35t2xFqdU
And ground into sausage meat.
From the Guardian:
“A further nine people who tested positive for coronavirus have died in hospital in England, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals to 29,524, NHS England said on Wednesday.
The patients were aged between 39 and 84, and all had known underlying health conditions.”
Nice aphorism to say that they didn’t die FOR covid but with Covid.
Essentially if you choose any random element in the population which include more than 300K, you will find daily deaths. But the hoax and the scaremongering shall continue.
https://twitter.com/GraalTruth/status/1298385687729799170/photo/1
Are you in the 99.99% group? Chance of surviving C-19 by age and sex
Restaurant no shows.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/a-terrible-night-edinburgh-restaurant-18831115
“We’ve been fully booked for over two weeks and half the restaurant didn’t turn up. We turned away dozens of people due to being booked and no walk-ins because of the weather.”
They will have to start taking credit card details on bookings and enforcing a no show charge.
Just wondering but if people like Toby, Farage, Lidell & Brewer all decided to back a stuff the license fee campaign, would they be likely to end up in court for incitement of criminal behaviour charge or such like?
Not if they suggested ditching watching broadcast/live tv as well. Generally good for your sanity and general well-being anyway. Most people have no clue how much they are being indoctrinated just while they are watching the news, soaps and general entertainment.
It’s a messed up world when the only way of giving the BBC the bird is buying a Vera Lynn record !!!!
I suspect one reason so many of us are sceptics is thanks to not watching mainstream news or reading newspapers!
I’m sure that’s correct.
More than that, I think one’s views and general attitudes diverge quite rapidly from those of the mainstream if you don’t, not because yours change any more than is normal, or because you don’t keep in touch with other people in the normal way, but because the mainstream attitudes change artificially rapidly and in manipulated directions, under the pressure of media manipulation.
They are all woke now.
Everyone with a TV license is free to cancel it, and if you pay annually, you can get a pro-rata refund when you do. Unless you either: a) watch live TV or b) use BBC iPlayer you do not need a license.
If anyone from TV Licensing (Capita) ever come round, you only have to say that you do not have a license because you do not need one.
“Please leave immediately.”.
Getting a new bed delivered in the People’s Democratic Republic of England.
What a bunch of miserable ****s!
“The delivery driver will arrive at your property and leave the items by the door (if delivering to flats, the items will be left by the building door).
The delivery driver will remove himself to a safe distance where they still have visual of the items and call you to advise that the items are outside.
Please do not anticipate the delivery drivers arrival and greet them, please wait until you have received contact from the delivery driver.
POD will not require signing.
The delivery driver will proceed to move onto the next delivery once the items have been accepted by yourself.
Please do not speak with the delivery driver face to face unless extremely necessary.
Please do not ask them to assist with taken the items to the room of choice.
If you have a query, please call our offices and we will be able to assist.”
They’re not all like that by any means. I had a washing machine delivered some weeks ago by A. O.Com. Yes, I had a script sent by E-mail saying that they would have to leave the machine on the drive and had to observe social distancing blah, blah. But a subsequent ‘phone conversation to their office assured me that when the delivery men arrived: “talk to them and see what they can do”. The result was that the two men happily came into my house and disconnected the old machine took it away and then installed and test ran the new machine. In other words, a normal delivery service.
The best bit was when they had finished I gave them each a tip and the senior bloke shook my hand warmly.
Regardless of mad rules and written procedures the personal, friendly and common touch work with most people—even now!
Thanks Harry that gives me some hope,
I went into my usual coffee shop unmasked and as usual had a very warm reception and smiles.
I hate being made to feel like a suspected disease carrier. Much joy has been lost in daily living, but some room for hope remains too.
That’s what the company ays.
After having quite a few new carpets and furniture delivered over the past few months it’s not what happens.
Not met a believer delivery driver or workman yet, every last one of them has been a sceptic,
In our case, all except one have been fine. He put the heavy parcel down on the pavement and scarpered. I, an old bag, had to pick it up and carry it in. It was only 3 days ago! MW
Standard script of bollocks,I’ve had emails like that but every delivery I have had has been normal with friendly helpful delivery staff,if it hadn’t been I would have told them to keep the stuff !,at the end of the day if you’re on my property it’s my rules (normality) that apply,no covid bullshit allowed !,come to think of it that would make a good sign to put on our gate.
I had an incident the other day. Delivery driver knocked the door. He was a few seconds early for his machine to open and he could take a picture so i was stood there with my hand out ready for the parcel while he tinkered with the machine. I could see the countdown on his screen. As soon as it let him he ticked something off on his screen and then proceeded to ignore my outstretched hand and leave it on the ground. He walked off with a few choice fucks and wankers ringing round his ears. Policy or no policy.
I ordered couches a while back (up to 12 weeks to deliver because of supply chain issues so still waiting) and was told the guys would bring in the new couches but wouldn’t remove the old ones, which was always a service you could pay extra for. I said if the guys are already in my house to drop the new ones, they’re going to have to leave the way they came in so why can’t they take the old ones? The lady was 100% with me, but said the party line is that the new couches are covered in wrap but my old couches are not. OMG! What craziness. She did say that if more restrictions have been lifted by the time the couches are actually ready to be delivered, the policy might change. I will otherwise have to hire a junk removal company who, I understand, are still actually working. Will the insanity ever end??? Just checked the county web site yesterday and there are ZERO cases here.
So who were they, James ?
Online queuing was unknown to me until lockdown. I discovered the phenomenon by looking for an item on Boots website. An hours wait just to scroll through items on their website.
Today the DVLA website has become overwelmed by learner drivers wanting to book a test. One hopeful to book an exam was number 100,021 in the queue before the great DVLA reset occured and the system crashed.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-learners-unable-book-driving-18831937
Going to do virtual driving tests, are they?
Ha ! My wife was 240,000 at one point.
(Though how far do we trust government IT to be correct ?
).
Yes ! Did tge wretch ferguson wash up at the DVLA?
BERLIN DEMO (29/08) OFFICIALLY BANNED
Sorry if I am repeating but it needs repeating.
Your move plebs……
Merkel’s a jerk.
Any grounds?
All grounds, squares, meeting halls
Apparently as the organisers cannot guarantee that people can keep to C safety guidelines..
I am sure Bittel TV on YT or telegram will report, although only in German. Querdenken 711, Michael Ballweg, main person. Search for them on YT, very active there.
Also Bodo Schiffmann: Alles ausser Mainstream had a livestream today
Do you have a link to a report of this?
https://querdenken-711.de/ Homepage
Press release
Quote from the press release from the Berlin government:
Your participants and the organisers will be in breach of the Corona regulations in aid of stopping the spread of the virus. Your followers claim that their basic rights, as detailed in the Grundgesetz, are curbed, but the stop of the spread and consequences for the health of the wider population due to the Sars Virus take priority.
Thanks
And yet Germany has seen no excess deaths at all for the covid period.
I bet you people will attempt to demonstrate, if that’s the case, I hope no one gets hurt
Having a convo with a zealot on discord.
Them:
Me:
Them:
Is it even worth continuing? Clearly did not read the Henegan piece or the medical articleoris capable of independent thought and research.
I think the point to improved treatments is worth some play. Have heard some ICU nurses say that to me. But it’s of little consequence when deaths are this low.
Ateast they are willing to engage.
There’s a fascinating reversal of the Null Hypothesis there: mask deniers.
The onus is on mask advocates not the other way round
Maybe send your zealot that interview with a French scientist that was posted the other day? He made his points so calmly and clearly; no hype or show – just facts!
Get ready for the UK Uni Bait and Switch coming this September.
Universities faculties are kicking off about working conditions in covid Britain. Keep in mind they spent most of the last academic year on strike.
The big universities like Cambridge know people are willing to dish out 9k for a degree from Cambridge so could appease their faculty by openly going online.
The less prestigious universities are baiting students back for their tuition under the promise of in person teaching. It is a near guarantee that once students start acting like students and start socialising these universities will launch a blame campaign on their students and will be “forced” to return to online tuition, appeasing their terrified faculty whilst also stealing 9k from young people by misleading them into thinking they would have in person teaching.
Already happening across the US. If you are in university, have a child approaching university age or even if you understand how important the uni experience is for young people please oppose this from happening
UCL lectures online to start with, labs in person where possible. Campus open, with masks and distancing, but no bars and no fun. Can’t seem them ever going back to how it was unless their market deserts them, but if every Uni does this then what choice do you have (other than not going at all, which may be a good option for some) or paying a lot less for a completely online degree.
The stuff posted on here the other day about halls of residence was revolting.
Hopefully the more enterprising students will adapt and socialise in private houses and pubs and bars outside Uni
I missed the stuff about university halls of residence. What was it?
Whole corridor has to self isolate (meals brought to room) if one person tests positive
Maybe it’s part of this all the going online with education is being pushed so enthusiastically:
https://www.activistpost.com/2020/08/gates-and-big-tech-reimagine-post-human-education-the-new-normal-is-a-i-data-mining-for-social-credit.html
From the report:
Project BEST (Better Education Skills through Technology). A sub-project of President Ronald Reagan’s Private Sector Initiative, Project BEST was a plan to corporatize the American education system through public-private partnerships with Big Tech companies which replace human teachers with Skinnerian “teaching machines” programmed with psychological conditioning algorithms that train students for workforce placement in a planned economy.
I think so as Bill Gates and Microsoft are involved an have been for a long, long time.
That schools are ‘old technology’ and ‘dead’ was being quoted on UK Column months ago; information apparently from a government source..
The Universities have been undergoing such a reform since the 80s. Students have become customers in the new language and universities themselves are knowledge producers.
Think about all the towns, for example Bournemouth, Exeter, Warwick who have added more student accommodation blocks, in some cases right in the centre of town.
What’s going to happen to all that capacity?
4th industrial revolution.With the increase in computer power a whole raft of jobs will disappear and revolutionise life.
This manufactured crisis has sped the process up.Not just student halls.City centre offices, transport and all the associated business involved in commuting have become redundant.A lot of white collar service jobs will disappear too.The consequences of this are profound even if the crisis ended tomorrow.
I’ve written to my young person’s university asking for the risk assessment on mask wearing – no reply. That’s about a month ago. What can you do in these circumstances? How can you oppose it other than writing and saying so? Universities and the whole academy as far as I can see are going along with the whole scam.
It’s sad, but the only effective opposition will be not going to Uni, and thereby not funding them.
Some minutes ago I was enjoying a few moments of afternoon sun at the front of my house when a mixed group of 8 or 9 mid-teenagers ambled by oblivious of me and the rest of the world.
I paid them little attention bar to note that they all lacked masks (as is usual when only among themselves) but as they passed away one boy was saying quite neutrally
“Have you heard from Rxxx?, I keep texting him but haven’t heard back, he says he’s going to kill himself. If Rxxx kills himself I ain’t…(inaudible)”.
Not the sort of conversation I remember as a teenager.
I’m really glad that in some parts of the country, people are ‘rebelling’, as it does give me hope, even if so far it is small numbers.
But I fear my corner of the Peoples Republic of Scotland will be one of the last to come out of this – if at all, judging by the hairdresser’s opinion of lockdown today:
Hairdresser: we have to save every single life at risk of this disease.
Reply: what about those with other diseases and illnesses?
Answer: this disease is far worse.
I won’t even go into the rest of the conversation.
My stock reply is simply “no it isn’t”, usually in response to ‘isn’t the Covid terrible?’ or, even better, ‘well at least the vaccine will be here soon’. “No it won’t “.
How do you respond to such stupidity? I would not have the patience.
I’m certainly not intending to have my hair cut for another 9 months! (We are limited for hairdressers in our community.)
I always think of Monty Python when I hear comments like that.
All the scripts available here – http://www.montypython.50webs.com/index.html
Ugh, but yes these dangerously thoughtless people are allowed to drive cars.
Funnily enough, the conversation went onto cars … her’s broke down at the weekend!
Masks in schools, next it’ll be masks outside and then the deletion centres i mean detention centres. There’s gonna be blood on the streets.
If the government is going to pay to put endless propaganda on Spotify, can they at least get somebody who can pronounce their T’s…
Those awful adverts are what finally pushed me into paying for Spotify Premium so it’s in Spotify’s favour that they’re as annoying as possible!
Masks. If you dispute whether they work or not, you’ve already conceded that they would be a good idea if science showed they ‘work’.
You’ve already lost the argument. All ‘they’ have to do is produce more ‘studies’ showing they ‘work’ than your side, then claim a ‘scientific consensus’. And, worse, you’ve conceded that it is therefore logical to do it permanently.
The argument should never have been about whether they ‘work’. The argument is about whether it’s a free country, and especially whether anyone should be forced into wearing a humiliating badge of compliance. The default position should be freedom, not science.
In the old days, we might have been able to rely on parliamentary statesmen who would stand up for principles like this, but no more.
I tend to agree that it’s best to argue from freedom to start with, though the fact that they don’t work is helpful too. I tend to think the same about lockdown. There comes a point where the threat is so grave that masks and lockdowns could be justified, if they worked, but we’re nowhere near that. Freedom has been wildly underpriced in the (non-existent) cost benefit calculation. Most people don’t seem to value it very highly. Easily fooled/bought.
And as Mark pointed out, in the case where the threat was genuinely grave, people would not need to be compelled to wear masks or stay at home – they would do so voluntarily, out of pure self-preservation.
Agreed. Whether things work or not is relevant to any honest cost-benefit analysis. Freedom is part of the cost. The fact that they don’t work in any significant sense (and the threat is small to start with) means the benefit side is simple nowhere near justifying the cost side.
It can be counterproductive to argue from a purist freedom point of view because it’s too easy to dismiss that as lacking logic in the same way as a purist ‘save every life at any cost’ argument. And there are plenty of entirely legitimate ways in which freedom in the strictest sense is constrained in order to have a functioning society; they’ll just be tossed back at you as counterexamples.
As Lord Sumption said, freedom is not absolute, but it has a very high value. Some of us value it more highly than others, and the difference between the valuations is currently gigantic, tragically, meaning that the society we are now in is intolerable for us
Absolutely. But even in the case of something really nasty, is it the state’s place to take absolute control without limits, and with no default ‘sunset’ on it? To me, this whole thing looks like a disaster that was always waiting to happen. There is literally no one who can save us from ourselves.
Indeed, there absolutely are limits and there must be an exit strategy; both manifestly missing from the government’s handling of this!
IMO even in the early days when the WHO feared a 3.4% fatality rate I still thought the measures adopted were an unjustified overreaction. If it had been 34%.. then I might have had some sympathy. But I guess I’m just a callous granny killer…
When the World Health Organisation announced the 3.4 percent fatality rate, Chris Whitty immediately stated that it was obviously wrong and explained why and said that the true rate would be less than one percent. And this was broadcast live by the BBC and Sky News.
Yes and that is hard to forget because he was so convincing and it is turning out that way. So why does he not speak up now? I feel he has lost his integrity in this also
Because he is now in the pay of the WHO and also indebted to Bill Gates..
I think you mean Sir Chris Whitty.
Never absolute control without limits or sunset – should always be proportionate to the threat, the minimum plausibly required to address the issue. That’s exactly what didn’t happen.
There comes a point where the threat is so grave that masks and lockdowns could be justified, if they worked, but we’re nowhere near that. Freedom has been wildly underpriced in the (non-existent) cost benefit calculation. Most people don’t seem to value it very highly.
This is pretty much the essence of what disturbs me so much about the current situation (i.e. the last few months, especially the last 6 weeks or so)
One of the things that also disturbs me about mask-wearing is that there seems to be an acceptance in some quarters (official and media as well as individuals) that they may not do much to prevent spread, but they are important as a gesture of “social confirmity”, “solidarity”, “showing you care about others”, etc. This is almost the inverse of Barney McGrew’s freedom argument above – paternalism and conformity as a matter of principle – regardless of the science or logic – rather than freedom of choice as principle.
I would slightly disagree that whether masks “work” is an irrelevant argument, since most people seem to value their safety from the “deadly” virus more than their freedom or others’ (see Julian’s post), and use the usual “libertarian, selfish, irresponsible” labels for those who disagree.
But I’d say another key argument, apart from whether they work or not, is whether the threat is actually remotely proportionate to mandatory mask-wearing for everyone! Which is definitely not the case here in the UK at this stage of the pandemic.
Yes, what you say is fine, though as you probably know, cloth masks do not provide any measurable protection and are also a possible health hazard for the wearer. So that’s it, nothing more really needs to be said. The lies that we have recently been told saying that masks will halt the spread of the coronavirus are the result of “paid for science” are simply based on opinion and can be regarded as yet more bullshit.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0993_article
I also think they lost the plot when they forced the masking. Anything that is so cut and dried, so intuitively right, does not require a mandate. People would voluntarily engage in the behaviour being encouraged — they wouldn’t need to be forced. There was natural social distancing going on before the lockdown and people were choosing not to go to venues with large numbers of people, the gym, etc. And of course we can look at Sweden — a small number of people choose to wear a mask but the vast majority do not and they are doing just fine. Mandatory masking has clearly become a tool of social control; if it made sense people would do it voluntarily.
Agree completely. The problem is that the human herd (most people) doesn’t seem to care too much about the liberty argument. And the safety argument seems to work better with them. It seems to be a better tactical option.
I think the argument starts even earlier: that individuals should be held responsible for potentially exposing another due to the presence of an air borne virus in their systems of which the absence of any illness means they are completely unaware. I have never felt the need to hold anyone accountable for the multitudes of viruses I have been exposed to. This concept means masks can always be justified. I find it unbearably depressing.
To everyone who has been posting here for months, Thank you. I have been taking heart from your comments every day.
I am posting today for the first time. I want to encourage everyone else who reads but doesn’t post to do it at least once. It will encourage us all to know how many of us there are.
There’s often very interesting and substantial discussion here of the nature of lockdown scepticism as a political position. I usually vote Labour, because to me that party best represents the values of mutual responsibility and care for human vulnerability that make for a decent society. That is why I am so astonished and alienated by Labour’s total failure to oppose the government’s lockdown policies since March. Lockdown was an assault on the most basic structures of human community, with the exception of the nuclear family, which was idealised and totalised as the natural unit of domestic existence. The public sphere was virtually abrogated. Social life was prohibited. People who live alone were condemned to an extraordinary state of isolation, their suffering ideologically invisible to the state and to the mainstream media. Lockdown purports to act in the interests of community, but it acts in fact to destroy community. It affects to attend to human vulnerability (as against a concern ‘for the economy’) but it not only ignores the most fundamental human need for contact and companionship but actively exacerbates that vulnerability, entrenching and mandating a terrible loss of individual and collective wellbeing.
As a feminist, my disgust at and rejection of everyday mask-wearing could not be more intense, or more resolute. The face is the primary site of expression and communication in Anglo-European (and many other) cultures. The face represents our humanity and our belonging, our right to be seen and heard in our communities. It requires us to take responsibility for ourselves as participants in the social sphere, and it enables us to do so meaningfully and powerfully.
Everyday mask-wearing is a metastasization of lockdown. The barriers to community – in lockdown, the walls of each family or individual’s home – have been relocated to the faces of the people around us: in shops, on trains, at the post office, more and more in the street. My workplace, a university, has now mandated masks throughout the campus. I face a term of teaching in which I may never see the faces of my students, my colleagues, the librarians, or the nice women in the campus cafe from whom I buy a coffee twice a day. ‘I face’: our language is richly structured by terms like this. As social creatures, as language-users, we face the world with a language of the face.
There has never been a liberal, progressive or honourably conservative instance of mandatory everyday mask-wearing. It is a gross assault on bodily integrity. This is the absolute base-level of the political: the state versus my body.
My body, my choice.
I come more I suppose from the right of the political spectrum and wholeheartedly agree with you. Being able to see who you are speaking to is about more than just communication it’s being human.
I’m with you and of a similar political persuasion. We need more lefties to come out and denounce this stuff.
Just hit them from left, right, and centre.
Resisting evil is not a political stance, it’s a moral imperative.
Like Muhammed Ali, float like a butterly and sting like a bee.
Thankyou. I don’t share your political leanings (and now regret how I voted in December) but as a single person living alone I very much share your concerns of the effects of lockdown on us. As you say we have just been forgotten – and as a church member I have to say I have had surprisingly little help from my own church. Face masks – I commented on a different forum yesterday that every time I see one I want to scream. It is indeed useful that we have LS to help us get through the day.
Good to hear from you…stand up to the bastards and refuse to comply
Beautifully written! This site is an interesting place where those of all political persuasions have something in common and can be civil and respectful even with respect to topics upon which there is disagreement. I’ve come to discover that I am now a one issue voter, and my issue is freedom/civil rights. I think it’s the one value we all share here on Lockdown Sceptics. I’ve taught university as well and I would not lecture with a mask and would implore my students not to wear one either. I’d probably be fired promptly! I hope you are able to teach with integrity this term. Please keep us posted.
Welcome to the comments Alethea! Please post some more.
Anyone who can come up with words such as metastasization certainly impresses me..
‘Everyday mask-wearing is a metastasization of lockdown. The barriers to community – in lockdown, the walls of each family or individual’s home – have been relocated to the faces of the people around us: in shops, on trains, at the post office, more and more in the street.’ – I hadn’t thought about it like that, but you are absolutely right!
An excellent post, and so eloquently expressed – are you by any chance a languages teacher, Alethea?!
Thanks for posting! Always good to see lurkers let us know there are more of us than we think!!
Thank you for posting for the first time and I look forward to reading your future posts. I agree so strongly with your comments about the face being the site of expression and was even wondering today for the first time how this affects sign language. Don’t signers sometimes point to body parts as well as communicating with their hands, and if they point to their masked face, how would you know which face part – nose, mouth, tongue, etc. – they are referring to?
Perhaps someone with more expertise on this could confirm if masks make this an issue for sign language.
What a fantastically articulate comment that so eloquently expresses why I find masks so distressing and disturbing. When you take a step back and realise how much of an encroachment a mask is on our own bodies it’s truly frightening.
The average person would say to you “but it’s only while you’re in a shop” or “Let’s just do this until the virus is beaten|” or something like that. But one of the burdens of being a Lockdown Sceptic is that, for some reason, we are able to see where this is going. And it isn’t just in shops, for a limited time.
And where it’s going is not about masks. The mask is just another means of getting us to say “yes please” when Bill points his genocidal syringe in our direction.
Stick that genocidal syringe in his backside first. Figuratively speaking.
Best 1st post ever! You are amazing Alethea
My smile shall be free
Great comment Basics.
Please, locate your sceptical colleagues and resist this anti-human nonsense.
Eloquent, elegant, convincing: Alethea, you are well named.
And most heartily welcome.
Working at a university the penny may not have dropped for you yet but a big chunk of the working class have come to the realisation that labour supporters hate them even more than Tories ever have.
This whole thing is gonna screw the working man & the young. Labour & Conservatives are both culpable.
Welcome and excellent first post!!
You are very spot on with the importance of our faces as part of our humanity and as a tool for communication. It has been said that communication is 10-20% verbal and 80-90% non verbal and for that we need to see other people’s faces. Masks rob people of their humanity, individuality and ability to communicate as well as an extension of the lockdown which is essentially a barrier to normal human interaction and ability to foster relationships.
https://brooklynrail.org/special/AD_REINHARDT/artists-on-ad/the-dehumanization-of-art-jose-ortega-y-gasset-and-ad-reinhardt
Now it’s the dehumanization of humankind by humans.
Interesting article. Thanks a lot!
What an excellent post, logically argued but also from the heart. I posted a while ago about logic versus emotion (Brutus versus Mark Antony) and how most people are persuaded by emotional appeals, ignoring logic. But Alethea’s post covers both angles and is all the better for it.
Well done Alethea .I see a lot of people on here talking about their political opinions and often arguing.which i feel is a great shame as the greatest thing we can do is unite with all people from across the political spectrum who are against the lockdown. Anyway great that you have taken the first step to write something ,i myself listened for months and only wrote something the other week.Lets hope loads more are watching and are encouraged to join in . Well done again a great thought out article .
With these ridiculous mask mandates it becomes ever clearer that these langers are desperate to maintain the spread of whatever covid is left to keep up the fear levels so they can claim credit for “beating” the virus.
Langer is a word I haven’t heard before! Just googled it to check it isn’t a typo.
Possibly a Cork man in the midst
Exactly Will.
Hi Liberty, as promised please see the letter I have written to the Headmaster of my daughter’s school. It is an Independent school so therefore has no requirement to follow Government guidance. My so is in state school, but we havent heard about their policy yet.
Dear Mr xxxx,
Thank you for your e-mail of yesterday (25/08/20) setting out the school’s various policies with respect to the reopening of the school next month.
As the title of this e-mail suggests, I am writing to you with specific reference to your stated policy on face coverings being mandated to be worn by pupils in the school. Whilst I fully appreciate that you, the school governors and everybody else involved in taking such a decision have had to weigh up a number of difficult issues, I am very concerned by this decision and have a number of questions, which I would like to have satisfactorily answered before I can permit my daughter to comply with this requirement.
i) I would like to see a copy of the risk assessment that has been undertaken with regards to this new school policy.
ii) I would like to understand why it was deemed acceptable to mandate children to wear masks without any consultation with parents?
iii) What is the policy with regards to checking that pupils are keeping the face coverings clean, are not leaving them on surfaces and are changed regularly to maintain hygiene?
iv) What safeguards do you have in place for pupils who may experience difficulties in breathing or become faint?
v) What sanctions do you propose for children who remove their face coverings in corridors or other areas which you have deemed appropriate for face coverings to be worn?
vi) How do you intend to police the wearing of face masks in the specific settings you have decided upon?
As I said at the outset, I do fully understand the challenges the school faces in the face of pressures from various groups, but I think it would have been prudent, and much appreciated, if the school had consulted ALL parents – as key stakeholders in, and funders of the school – before taking such a significant decision. I do wish to stress that I want answers to all the questions, point by point as they are each very important . I am fairly confident that I am not the only parent concerned by this issue and I hope that we can all be satisfied by the responses you give.
Yours Sincerely,
Christopher Hume
Good letter. The other issue is what about exemptions? How can they ensure that those that qualify are not stigmatised or bullied? I also think that part of the risk assessment must include a complete revisiting of their policies, procedures and support systems regarding mental health issues.
In Germany, they have now become mandatory even during class.
And if your child has an exemption, there are no self-certified ones, only official ones signed by a doctor, it is not allowed to attend school.
A true dictatorship, but the first one that made it a policy to torture children.
And the first one that made their parents accept just that.
Not the first criminal government that Germany has had.
But a worthy successor to the previous one.
Back to the good old days in Germany? Never trusted Merkel.
Yes, I deliberately left that out at this stage because I didnt want them to go on about that and attempt to turn it ionto a debate as to my daughter’s eligibility (or otherwise) for an exemption. It’s up my sleeve for rounds two and three though!
Good to be prepared that this may be a ‘match’ of several ’rounds’!!!
oh yes, I think it could be a long bout!
Yes. I have written a similar letter. I also noted that the school quoted the WHO so I quoted back that its guidance suggested face coverings in schools in areas where there is “known or suspected widespread transmission and limited or no capacity to implement other containment measures” and asked for evidence that those factors applied in our area.
Thanks stub. Our school mentioned Who as well. Have copied taht line now. Thanks!!
Important to clarify — are they quoting the WHO who said a couple of months ago, healthy people do not need to wear masks? (literally just hours after Trump’s America was bringing in mandatory masking…!) — or the other WHO? the iconic leader of which, Roger Daltry, was reported as saying he was not prepared to wrap everything in cotton wool & those advising people to do so should “go F** themselves!”
The flip-flopping W.H.O.?
Everyone keep hammering the risk assessment angle and if you ever do see it rip the justifications for the mitigations apart.
Something people on this site can profitably collaborate on.
Good letter! I think my son’s school are doing as little as they can get away with, which is fine. For some reason the boys are not allowed to wear ties (son is delighted). I thought about asking the headmaster if this was because the stupid regulations were considered likely to suck so much joy out of school life that the boys might be tempted to hang themselves or whether the fumes from the excessive hand sanitiser and the “anti viral disinfectant” being sprayed liberally by the new “fogging machine” might cause hallucinations with the same risk. However, I actually think he is doing all he can so I will be nice.
Thanks. Sounds like your son’s school is taking the right approach. I will post the reply when it comes…
Tie sniffing could make one nauseous.
Excellent letter! I particularly look forward to hearing the reply to the question re risk assessment
Excellent letter, Chris.
Thanks John
Great letter Chris, I hope you don’t mind if I nick it to use for my children please? My writings keep turning to confrontational because I’m fed up with the nonsense. Keep up the good work and please keep us posted. Regards, Arnie.
Thanks Arnie. Please do. We need to put them on the back foot. Having to keep justifying nonsense is difficult!
Great letter, Chris. No mask requirements (yet) but I did get a letter advising me to name sports kit as unnamed lost property would have to be quarantined. Didn’t know whether to laugh or cry….
I don’t have kids but this would stress me out if I did. I realise this is your battle and you have to choose your rounds wisely, I would be fascinated to know a couple more if it were me… vii) Why didn’t you ask people to wear them this time last year? viii) At what point will it be considered sensible to stop this policy?
Just went to my local Spar. 60% not wearing masks. This is the highest I have seen. Pleasure to see faces and smile at people. Generally good atmosphere. Genuinely think there has been a shift in attitudes during past week – towards scepticism. We need to keep talking to people we know – trying to explain in calm but logical way about absurdity of lockdowns / masks. We need to keep posting on MSM articles. Optimistic we can stop this nonsense.
Good to hear, Tommo!
I see they have removed an extremely important metric from the Gov’s Covid staging website. Namely, those left in hospital. It was about 470 remaining from memory when I checked a few days ago, with about 50 remaining in ICU.
Miraculously (?!), they have now removed this metric; see here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
If you hover your mouse across, it just says data not available for this metric.
Coincidence or by design?!
But they have no issue keep mentioning the cases on this same website area.
I suggested that last night too
All I can find is some data from the NHS here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Podcast: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/
In Sweden there are now only 184 people in hospital, of which 23 are in intensive care (and of those 23, 16 are either in the Stockholm or Gothenburg areas)
Eleven fewer people in hospital than last Thursday – slow and steady drop in the numbers.
And we now have one region with NO one in hospital with the virus at all!
The patients in hospital data is now back up there happily, although their website is still having technical difficulties & has been like that for the last day or so
As the website is run by PHE (the feedback e-mail address at the bottom of the page is a @phe.gov.uk one) I’m surprised there’s anyone there who is competent to turn a computer on, let alone use one!
My daughter and her fiancé both work within the civil service and they have been working from home throughout using secure computer links.
A question for my fellow sceptics. Who is your least favourite government propaganda star on the radio? I find Steph the bus driver particularly annoying!
Ha! Just heard Steph on LBC. Her patronising tone really winds me up!
Yeah I mean wtf is her accent?
Skeptic Podcast: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/
“I want to see you all wearing a face covering…”
Aaaarghh!
“Unless you’ve got a GOOD REASON not to!”
The twat delivery driver urging sheeple to get a test grinds my gears.
That revolting Estuary English tosser on Classic FM. who spends his evil little life getting himself tested.
I don’t watch any TV or listen to any Radio any more.
Its embarrassment, I’m sure of it. I remember I was about to walk in bareback to B&Q and there was a guy coming from the other direction – I slowed down to let him go first, and he hung back as he fished out his mask from his pocket, almost looking away as he put it on. Looked like he was ashamed.
Great stuff. Me too. I love it!! It gives me a buzz every time. Same on trains. I feel a bit sorry for some startled elderly folks though so I always take care to smile nicely at that them.
I make a point os asking the oldies whoa re panting and puffing behind mask if they are OK and mention that they can take it off if it give them problems as this is an exemption and perfectly legal.
It’s not good how many of them don’t believe me though.
I even do my best smile, not too much like Hannibal Lector.
Yeah, I always have a good stroll up and down a few aisles I’ve no need to visit. My last visit on Friday I saw no one outside of myself without a muzzle. My Wife did say when she nipped in later she saw a few though. Does feel like a lost cause.
My two badges with the words: ‘Covid 1984—Not brainwashed’ arrived today.
I’ve already attached one to my gardening cap which will be transferable to my ‘Tilley’ hat when I take on a smarter appearance.
The other will be affixed to my jumper/jacket/coat whatever/whenever I choose.
I will wear them with pride!
Brilliant!
Haven’t heard from Two-Six in a while. I think he is away in Ludlow but usually makes an appearance.
Well in Harry!
Been doing that for days now.It really stiffens the backbone!
Buy them, everybody! Available on eBay, made by our very own two-six.
The latest bit of comedy from our Government..BBC News….
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has blamed a “mutant algorithm” for this summer’s exam results fiasco.
“I am afraid your grades were almost derailed by a mutant algorithm and I know how stressful that must have been,” Mr Johnson told pupils at a school in Leicestershire.”
Dear Boris and Co, its not funny.
It’s certainly not clever – allowing 40% grade inflation.
A mutant Prime Minister, and a government hopelessly out of their depth.
A mutant algorithm like Ferguson’s Model?
With each successive day these people subject themselves to this humiliating and degrading ritual, they are eroding their individuality and self-esteem. In time we will see a tsunami of mental health issues as a result, especially in children.
I strongly suspect this is one of the main reasons for the mask mandates. A psychologically enfeebled population will be far more compliant.
…and more likely to accept the vaccine..
Exactly, and thereby securing their fate.
If they live that long. With reduced sunshine, darker evenings, and cooler weather, I can’t help but agree with Richard’s “tsunami”.
Positive mental attitude, and at least a moderate self-esteem, are essential for good health.
Can it get any more compliant than obliterating its own children’s smiles?
Great work. Well done! I’ve not worn a mask in one shop yet. I’ve not been to the highstreet since March – and nor will I until this stupidity ends.
Podcast: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/
I’ve not covered my nose and mouth but have deployed the confuse-a-cat chin strap method quite a lot in big supermarkets. It’s good in a way because you can see people don’t know how to react. Is it defiance on my part? A medical emergency? Forgetfulness? Idiocy? They don’t like the brief mental turmoil that passes through their sheep’s brains,..
The highstreet might be a ghost town by the time this stupidity ends.
Here’s a question I’ve not seen before:
Why was the British Templeton Prize of $1.3 MIL awarded to Dr. Fauci’s Boss on May 20, 2020?
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=25554
It’s amazing how the muzzled and cowed cannot look you in your unmuzzled openly showing face isn’t it?
Imagine if people could look forward from last January and see what they were going to become.
I’ve noticed that a lot. Really bizarre, its as if they’re afraid to look at a face.
Makes you wonder why.
Update on Parish Council meeting ! Decided to play with straight bat so no marking tapes or anything – turned out three sensible people arrived no masks, no social distancing and actually helpful. Suspect pretty sceptical too and this is causing them all sorts of challenges with trying to re-open children’s playgrounds etc. Anyway hope this cheers a few of you up – there are some rays of hope out there !
Good news, cheered me a little. Initial resevations in some is inevitable after the fear, I sense somr people only need to be led a little before normality begins to resurface in them.
Spent an enjoyable afternoon in the pub. Albeit non alcoholic on this occasion. Life pretty much back to normal. Virtually zero social distancing. Bit like 1984 where the plebs are allowed a bit of freedom, so long as no one directly confronts the ruling ideology. Amusingly the pub vid screen was showing successive cartoon images of various political leaders (including Sturgeon and Putin) directing customers to stay in their seats and not mix. The admonition was being roundly ignored by just about all the patrons!
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.255166v1.full.pdf
Seeding of outbreaks of COVID-19by contaminated fresh and frozen food
“Infectivity was maintained for 3 weeks in both the refrigerated (4°C) and frozen (–20°C and –80°C) samples.”
“We believe it is possible that contaminated imported food can transfer virus to workers as well as the environment. An infected food handler has the potential to become an index case of a new outbreak. The international food market is massive and even a very unlikely event could be expected to occur from time to time.”
Brazil has a big C-19 outbreak and is one of the biggest meat exporters in the world. St Jacinda and NZ probably need to eat lamb for the rest of their lives.
Next stop – ban food.
Wouldn’t it be simpler to ban humans?
Probably not nearly so much fun for these psychopaths as breaking us down bit by bit. I suspected politicians didn’t like the electorate much but never that they seem to hate us?
Been done. Zombies only in most places now.
Why don’t we all just close our eyes and stop breathing. Job done!
I wonder about pomelo fruit imported from China in the very early months of the year…
They probably tested them, but muddled the results with those from pawpaws.
Rather than scroll down to find it here is my answer to the question about NHS blood products with no operations on going:
“NHS” blood services was sold off to an American venture capitalist company then onto to a Chinese company making £620 million profit:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-bio-products-our-blood-plasma-supplier-ended-up-with-china-zg00fthqn
https://nhaparty.org/nha-issues-warning-about-selling-nhs-blood-plasma-supplier-to-chinese-company-creat/
The was the initial US investors:
https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/07/19/privatised-nhs-blood-services-sold-to-mitt-romney-s-company
Mitt Romney? The US politician? He “owned” the US company that bought the blood service? What was this pay-off for? What services rendered?
I bet Peter Hitchens doesn’t know this.
I wouldn’t take that bet as very few people know the blood donor service, even though it uses the NHS logo, is a private company.
It’s the reason my wife stopped donating.
Add in the opt-out organ donation scheme as it is now and your body is just another money making opportunity.
Seriously, tell him.
He’s been going on about having to go to Wales to give blood unmasked.
Apart from putting a message on Twitter (which I don’t have, don’t do social media) the only way i can find to get his contacts is to subscribe to an agent’s site and then get it direct from his agent.
if he’s a true sceptic he might read this post.
Maybe get Toby to tell him? Or is it possible to tell Mike Graham from Talk Radio? Aren’t they still doing their weekly chats?
In a good many countries, you sell your blood, you don’t give it.
A travel book for the broke, called Europe on Ten Dollars a Day, used to advocate selling your blood as a way to raise cash in an emergency. It advised checking that a clean needle was being used.
That was at least 40 years ago. How many dollars a day is it now?
Not if you are a man living with a man. Due to the “higher” risk of being HIV positive. Seriously???
Can someone with Twitter tell him?
Thanks for looking at this. Had no idea. The amount of equipment they ferry around, the staff, the room hire they pay my company etc, I always wondered how much does it cost. My father in Germany donated blood for years, he had to travel to the University hospital.
He was taking the knee not too long ago. Money talks.
Not well publicised in England but In wales no masks – a few ( v few) in streets. It’s actually not a small thing I’ve discovered. It makes a real difference to how people interact and to your general sense of well-being . I’ve done more browsing in shops ( spending money) in the last 2 days than in the last 16 weeks. Even accounting for the general friendliness of the Welsh(!!), people smile at you, every single shopkeeper I’ve purchased from has had a conversation with me. I feel human again. I’m sick of the mantra- ‘ just wear a mask, think of others’. It’s not true. Confronting a dystopian masked public every day robs everyone of the uplifting experience of being able to communicate properly and feel part of the human race.
We have just cancelled our holiday in Cornwall this year as, despite plenty of walks + beaches to occupy us, we decided the rest of the experience (including the long journeys there + back) would just be too depressing and dispiriting. Wish we’d booked a holiday in Wales instead!
We have rebooked for May next year, here’s hoping we will be able to enjoy it properly by then
Come to Wales anyway.Cornwall without the pasties.
It has presumably escaped the attention of English and Scottish fascists that Wales’s Covid infection, hospitalisation, fatality (?) rates etc. have been entirely unaffected by the absence of gob nappies.
Hang on, why would anyone want to go without pasties! Plus our hospital is emptyish if anything happens.
Make the most of it. I don’t think they’ll want Welsh people not dropping dead or having a similar case rate to England if they’re not wearing masks.
I see the Swiss Policy Research site has a rather alarmist review of post-acute or “long” covid detailing post-viral symptoms https://swprs.org/post-acute-covid-long-covid/ Covid seems to cause just about everything including heart problems in previously healthy young people. The site is still against lockdown and points out the exaggerations in the case fatality rate and so on, and does mention that post-viral syndrome also occurs in cases of bad flu, but such emphasis on long-term effects is not going to reassure people. I still find it hard to believe that a virus alone can cause all those problems without taking into consideration the exact circumstances of each individual eg were they low fat, cholesterol bad type of healthy, did they have low vitamin D levels, had they been vaccinated against the flu?
How much of it is psychosomatic? I don’t know you can eliminate it if the patient knows they had the dreaded C.O.V.I.D.
Post Viral Fatigue is nothing new plus take into account lowered immune systems as you say from Vit D levels, santised bloody everything, other viruses and bacteria from dirty nappies etc:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326619
It feels like “long Covid” is being increasingly focused on now that the death rate is so low, providing the justification to still regard it as a “terrible disease” and counter the increasingly obvious fact that most healthy and relatively young people have a miniscule chance of dying.
The SWPRS article says about 10% of symptomatic cases get “long” symptoms. Is this true and how does this percentage compare to other moderately severe viral infections (like bad flu – which I had 10 years ago and had symptoms like fatigue for weeks after, though definitely not for months)
Long covid and reinfections are all they have to go on. They cannot shout too loudly about these stories because the second wave storyline is to reappear when the leaves drop.
It seems to be the case that sceptics can follow the scientific babble closer than they would ideally like. Even their demand that it is inappropriate for scientists to question SARS CoV 2 science because it’s not their specialism has rightly not been heeded. I genuinely feel that their fear machine is weaker than they realised, the govs and scientists are intellectually weak. Only intimidations and a shifting of goal posts are left in their arsenal.
Interestingly all the references are from BMJ.There seems to be not much reporting from other European countries about such problems. This could be reporting bias.Postviral symptoms are common also in flu but Project Fear is certainly going to hang on to this with declining deaths.Therefore it is so important that mass testing and finding asymptomatic cases stop asap.Otherwise a risk that people stamped asymptomatic start worrying about these symptoms and you can easily see super imposed hysteria. The longer this delaying of a total normalization and scrapping social distancing completely, the longer this malign circus will continue and as so much money invested by Big Pharma they are sure to see this comes into focus. Don’t deny these symptoms can occur but doubt the high figures.
Agree completely. Devi Sridhar was pushing this a little too much (while fiddling with her hair and waving her hands around uncontrollably) in the Unherd interview. That alone, sets off the alarm signals for me!
Always useful to watch body language of these people. Gut instinct and reaction is irreplaceable.
I had my ‘portfolio’ of things to look out for in a previous life; CEOs with permanent suntans, striped shirts with white collars, braces, married to their former secretaries!
Surprised at SPRS putting this on their site. MW
I think they want to be objective in a way to be more trustworthy but a bit surprised that they did not comment the very British dominance in reporting in the same journal.
But reading one of their references of lung damages in asymptomatic patients I was very surprised about the reference was to a NPR article(one of the fear monger MSM) and they discussed only one study well known in Nature , published long time ago from China which has very dubious value as there are no reports published elsewhere.Not much substance there as the definition of asymptomatic was unclear.
Already today correction of one important scary article JAMA about myocardial damage alluded to in the swiss site
https://twitter.com/RFscai/status/1298675027777331200/photo/1
Prof Balloux go into details about this and doubt even the corrected article
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1298668458536837120
What upset me was that this was reported in Swiss Policy Research, an alternative information site. I too noticed all the BMJ articles. I’ll try to find out more.
In order to assess the impact of long covid we need to see if the numbers of people with specific symptoms are higher than usual or are the numbers normal and just being attributed to people who have tested positive for covid.
Don’t start getting all rational Nobody.
Just had to turn off the evening news they were interviewing school children who all seemed to be meekly accepting the mask wearing edict, what happened to the young people of my youth protesting outside the USA embassy in Grosvenor Square against the Vietnam war?
This after travelling back by train from London to North Devon and being pretty much the only non masked traveller. I find it amazing that so many people just accept the propaganda from the Government and the media and do not trouble to check the facts as we do so often on this site.
People just meekly accept the face mask edict even though the Government’s web-site makes being exempt so easy and provides a print your own exemption card. A few people have said to me that face masks makes them feel funny and they wish they were exempt, they have been amazed when I said it is a self assessment process you just exempt yourself. The BMA have advised Doctors not to get involved.
I think some are just worried that they will get into trouble, but I do wear a print-out of the Governments exemption card, out of courtesy to the poor train staff and door staff who have been given the odious and thankless task of checking, they all seem so relieved to see my card and just wave me through. British Transport Police walked by, saw my card and just walked on without a word. I know that legally you do not have to wear an exemption card but it does save a lot of questions which I prefer.
The fact that children do not infect adults was not mentioned by the bbc in their news report, instead they allowed the ill informed opinions of children to stand unconditionally. They are irresponsible to a shocking degree and that is being kind, their lies by omission should land them in court.
The global population seems to have been conditioned/programmed to believe and trust the government – everywhere seems incredibly subdued given the authoritarian takeover (just look at Australia).
Black Lives Matter and Extinction Rebellion are fully supportive of harsh lockdown measures and seem to want them to go further to bring regime change. Unfortunately the young seem to listen to these organisations rather than thinking for themselves and what is in their own best interest. I really hoped the young would rebel, but nothing.
Indeed. As I posted last week when the BTP chap came on the train the young man across the carriage got a big grilling for not being masked. Then he walked down the carriage, saw my HMG exemption lanyard and just smiled as he carried on.
The government depends on people like the train and door staff, shopkeepers, hairdressers, police, bus drivers, you name them, to do their dirty work. Imposing fines or penalties on those who do not comply. Creeps!
Laughter really is the best medicine.
Yesterday I posted about the lady in the bus not only mask less but contentedly smoking near the rear with seemingly not a care in the world. A case of breaking two cardinal bus rules in one go—never been a smoker myself but that lady assumed celebrity status in my eyes.
I’m reminded of another humurous incident of a few weeks ago when my wife and I visited ‘Breezy knees’ garden near York. There was a small queue to get in (all socially distanced of course) and when it came to our turn to pay and the paying arrangements were in full view, I let out one almighty laugh much to my wife’s embarrassment. There in front of us was a home made, wooden chute like contraption that was placed on a rickety table. the chute was about two meters long. Inside the chute was a trolley type arrangement with a rope attached that the attendant held in her hand. She instructed us to put our money in the trolley and then proceed to pull the rope for all she was worth until said trolley came up to her and she could retrieve the monies. She then put in a ticket and with the aid of a long pole pushed the trolley back down to us so that we could take it out. She was doing this with all the garden visitors—no wonder she had a sweat on!
But I’m not finished. To add to the absurdity of the whole scene, when we took out our tickets we then walked in and around this assembly to the small cafe whereby we walked in and bought hot drinks and cakes with no restrictions whatever. And when we came out?–there she was pulling the trolley, pushing it back down again and I bet wishing for all she was worth that home time would come round soon. I honestly think this was the most ridiculous thing I have seen in this whole Covid business to date. It was so ridiculous it was genuinely surreal but since then I have seen and heard much else that is quite unbelievable.
Another chuckle came my way when I had a chat with the pedillo attendant on the river at Otley who was supposedly spraying the boats with sanitiser after every party had finished.
‘You might as well use water mate’ I said ‘for all the good it’ll do’—‘yeah, we’re thinking about it’ he replied.
My husband reports something similar from this morning. Charity shop, two volunteer workers outside from ‘the vulnerable age group’, masks under chin, fags in mouth stood shoulder-to-shoulder. The only thing going for them to diminish the risk of the virus – they were of ‘normal’ BMI, something that of itself is unusual in my town!
Heard this from a chap who works on a fairground.
Boss: You’ve got to spray the machinery with this.
Employee: ok.
Boss: It’ll ruin the machinery, mind.
Pregnant silence.
Employee: Shall I just pretend to spray it, then?
Boss: Yeah.
Employee: ok.
Playing cricket we are meant to use hand sanitiser every six overs (FFS). Most now fake the squirt but also with sound effects (two blasts through teeth) to appease the umpires who have to report back to the PTB.
Absolutely brilliant. I know Otley well having lived in North Leeds and Ilkley, and know that people there are generally very ‘rooted’.
“I have been informed by our Doctor today that NHS hospitals will not accept people over 70 years old if they have been tested positive with COVID 19”
If the NHS was cleared the wards to make room for CV19 patients, that the most susceptible to CV19 were the over-60s, and the government had said it would protect the most vulnerable elderly, exactly who was supposed to be treated in hospital if the NHS refused to treat the over-70s? Just those between 60 and 70 years of age??
The hospitals cannot do this, it’s against the 2010 anti discrimination legislation. Age is a protected criterion. If that person falls and fractures their hip will they still refuse admission?
They can, and they are.
History will show that the rule of law ceased in this country with the passage of the Coronavirus Act.
History is written by the winners.
If the period of governance by executive mandate can be spoken of as a past event, then we will be doing this writing.
Name the hospitals that are doing this.
Fair point. Perhaps I should have said: “They can, and in the current climate who is to say that they won’t?”
Probably the coronavirus act or public health one in some way supersedes that legislation?
Does that mean, if you are over 70, have Covid 19 or even had it four months ago and then get hit by a car, the ambulance will leave you dying in the street? That can’t be true.
OR, if you’re over 70, are unwell and test positive for Covid at say a drive in test centre, and then symptoms worsen and you need medical help, they also leave you at home to die? Again, that can’t be right, either.
This seems like headline news, if what you’re saying is true. Sure the Daily Mail would be all over this one. They love this stuff.
I think Awkward Git might feel another FOI request is needed.
Who’s running the NHS? Whoever they are they should be shown the front door. Masked and socially distanced of course. Reporters with cameras outside.
Just caught some “news” on ITV on way to garden for some beer between rain showers.
News story goes on about shutting down businesses that “don’t follow their risk assessments”. Dropped the “not following guidance” mantra today.
Easy then – follow the health and safety legislation, write your risk assessment that proves no masks, social distancing etc needed, leave it available for customers to read along with the evidence, show this to anyone who complains and your defence is 100% legitimate as you are “following your risk assessment”.
Exactly as all us sensible ones have beens saying for months now.
Ye fucking gods is all I can say.
The other day bullshit “report” on the Air Ambulance.
Today the same idiotic bollocks propaganda about mountain rescue teams and PPE and how they bravely struggle wearing masks and goggles all the time even though the masks steam up the goggles and they become tried a lot quicker.
I wanted to shout at the screen – well take the fucking things off then, you’re up a mountain plus the problems now mean you are exempt.
Ye fucking gods again.
Famously satirized in Dilbert: “We don’t care how bad your processes are… as long as they’re well documented and used consistently…”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/26/school-masks-potential-damage-speech-development-far-greater/
Children’s Task and Finish Group report was endorsed by Sage on July 9, well before the Government’s U-turn
I read that earlier, and wondered whether it was the pretext for a claim that mask-wearing at all in school settings could be in breach of Equalities Act?
Could be! Is someone pursuing that? Wondered if Usforthem would get a bit more proactive…
Maybe they don’t know about the above link?
I’ll drop them a line. I have wondered whether they have been ‘got at’ because they have been so quiet for weeks.
Comments looking good.
http://chng.it/Ph62wfTPNW
Please sign no masks petition if you haven’t already.
I know I’m boring! For many years I worked with children with emotional difficulties and had the toughest lives. They struggled to relate to others at the best of times and saw no future for themselves. Cannot bear to think how much worse all this will make it for kids in the same boat now.
Regarding the DNR.
Firstly: This doesn’t mean that a treatment or an ambulance being called is prevented, only if they have a cardiac arrest then there’s no intervention.
Secondly: the DN(ACP)R has to explain what the reason is for the order, for example comorbidities likely to mean CPR would be unsuccessful.
Thirdly: there should be a review date on the order or a reason why there isn’t. Fourthly, unless the order has been made known to the ambulance service and the local hospital trust then they will start CPR.
The cases thing is predicated on testing for genetic material we’re all likely to have given most people have experienced a cold and or flu. Until this new virus is isolated and therefore scientifically identified as a new virus, the farce and the fraud will continue. Where are the people who can pressure the WHO and the independent scientific community, i.e. those scientists and researches not in BG’S and big pharma’ pockets, to do this work? The dancing around adapting and/or conforming to stupid rules and nonsensical guidance detracts from the real issue, namely, what precisely is covid19? Until then it is reasonable to say all the non-pharmacological interventions are pure bullshit.
I’m really curious about this–it would appear likely that eventually *everybody* will test positive. However, my mum, who has a heart condition, has been ending up in A&E at roughly fortnightly intervals for the last few months. She gets tested for Covid every time, and has yet to test positive, which in the light of what we are reading, would seem almost miraculous! She is 79 and had a few colds last autumn/winter, so one would think she’d have some coronavirus-type antibodies somewhere..
The PCR test is not looking for antibodies but for genetic material from the SARS2 virus.
Will we all get it eventually? Not sure. Probably about half of people in the UK already have had it in some form. But it’s now at very low levels. I expect it to come back every few years so probably after a few decades anyone more than a few decades old will have had it.
To me the big issue is the PCR testing for SARS-Cov2 virus, everyone seems to accept the ‘TEST RESULTS’ as if they have been brought down the mountain by Moses carved on tablets of stone. These test result are being used to determine so much key public health policy that they need a full critical multi disciplinary review. There are many questions to answer;
I suggest a review team including Prof Carl Heneghan, Sir Paul Nurse, Mr Peter Hitchens, Nick Stripe (ONS), Tim Harford (BBC More or Less) and Prof Sunetra Gupta.
FOI request to DHSC was answered truthfully:
My question:
-supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.
The answer:
SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present.
Lots more gems, all fully reported on here about a week ago.
And yet the government do the opposite and take the results completely out of context.
Hello sorry I missed your earlier post on this matter, so much going on – hard to keep up. But, to my mind, the reply you got from DHSC should have stopped the whole sorry circus in its tracks. How can you make all these dramatic costly public health decisions based on not knowing whether ‘these results’ are active or inactive cases, it beggars belief!
Yes, no, not much, about 70% sensitivity and 99.5% specificity, none that I know of.
It is a new virus, it has been isolated and sequenced, it does cause Covid-19 and although the PCR test does have a low rate of false positives, they’re not caused by other viruses.
It has not been isolated, purified and sequenced to the standard norm. Who to your knowledge has done this work, when and where?
This is my favourite example, because of the pictures. Also check out the album on Flickr.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/novel-coronavirus-sarscov2-images
Of course being a virus it can only be cultured together with cells as it has been in these pictures. These are Vero E6 cells (kidney epithelial cells from a monkey originally). This means that like all viruses it will never satisfy the Koch postulates (viruses weren’t discovered until a few years after the postulates were postulated).
It’s been sequenced almost 50,000 times by different groups https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.01800/full
The Thick Of It – New Episode
Malcolm Tucker to Boris Johnson – “You are an omnishambles”
Malcolm to Boris, Hancock and co
“I’m gonna need all of my fucking energy to fucking rip all of your bodies to bits with my bare hands and sell-off your fucking flayed skin as a sleeping bag to a fucking normal person”
I’m picturing Malcolm Tucker going mental at Matt Hancock after watching one of his interviews
Haha yeah. Like when Ben Swain went on Newsnight. Matt Hancock has to face Tucker and Jamie.
T shirt slogans, #2 in an occasional series:
“Coronavirus – You Don’t Get it”.
I would tell you a joke about Covid19 but 99.99% of people don’t get it.
Very good!!
Like it!
Just had a good day out on the wetlands at Newport, Wales. Such joy…no masks anywhere, no-one driving with one (bar a taxi I saw), no flinching from passers-by on the pathways. Bought petrol from a card-only station outside Duffryn Asda. Looked at shops on the way out and back, no maskers anywhere that I could see. Pure pleasure for the eyes. If Wales keeps its head and doesn’t panic, it’ll be streets ahead of the rest of the country.
https://twitter.com/CllrBSilvester/status/1298308809073598464?s=20
If a #COVID test costs £40. That is £160m a day. £1.12 BILLION a week. What a total waste of our taxpayers money. Testing people who aren’t sick…… so they can be told they aren’t sick. Only those with symptoms should be tested. Lets stop this madness now.
A verified sceptic.
Or testing people who aren’t sick so they can be told they are sick, must isolate so as not to kill granny
A neighbour had a bad asthma attack to which she is subject, she believes there’s a great deal else wrong with her and she has self isolated for several years. Called the ambulance service and was given a check up. The paramedic said she had a slight temperature and should have a test. The kit arrived yesterday and she’s now in a terrible state in case she’s got ‘it’.
Everybody under whatever pretext must get tested mustn’t they?
They’re just after the false positives, gotta keep that pot boiling. The more you test, the more you get !
My wife watches ITV News (I know, I know…). Boris on there tonight defending his mask policy for secondary schools. He says, “If you are in an area where there is a risk of infection… if you are in an area where there is a higher risk of infection, wear a mask.” The way he corrected himself, and smiled, made it quite evident he knows very well that generally there is no risk of infection. Watch it for yourselves later.
I have read some of the excerpts from his speech to the school kids (year 7, I think). Ridiculous speech to kids who had not been party to the exam fiasco. He clearly had not prepared a speech, mindful of the audience. Winging it as usual, but these days he is totally incoherent and certainly not funny. Suggest he is mentally ill!
He will be gone by Christmas.
He should be gone sooner
My wife has been in an online queue since 8am trying to book a driving test for our daughter.
At 6.45pm, she’s now 129,000th in that queue.
Lockdowns are all upside don’t you know and worth every penny.
Let Simon Dolan, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Peter Hitchens know about that! Julia will likely get someone onto her show to talk about it….
I was doing the same today and didn’t make it past 242,568th in the queue before it closed for the day.
I assume there is a temporary exemption as there was for MOTs. Just drive around as if you’d passed your test until they get their shit wired.
A version of the ‘Barnard Castle Defence’!
It is closed for the day, just checked back in. 1st September to try again? See you in the queue!
Silly question, but why does an online booking system need to close for the day?
Welcome to the Civil Service.
I hate to tell you but my daughter got a spot. Started 7,000th in the queue, booked slot at 11. Apparently there are 100,000s trying to get slots & the number of tests per examiner has been reduced from 7 to 5 coz of the virus. I don’t see why that should make a difference, the examiner doesn’t clean the car.
I’m urprised it’s not yet been decreed each car is to be crushed after each test. Hancick and his money tree need to get a grip on this manufactured-isater.
Car crushed! I love it Basics
Well done Mrs AN other (if that’s not too familiar!) A fine days sticking at it. Moving up a queue 100,000 places is biblical queuing technique. Bravo!
Update from she who must obeyed.
She started at 82,614th at 8am ish and got up to 81,200 after an hour. At 1pm, she was at 57,696th and at 5pm she was at 26,100th. She then thinks she got booted off / lost the connection or something like that. When she got reconnected, she was at the 129,000th place. She’s a total completer finisher so will not be defeated …
Maybe we should start a very long list of all the things that Kim Jong Boris and his apparatchiks have broken.
Hey, lockdowns are fantastic. The DJ’s on the radio keep telling me about how much better they’ve got at baking and how many bands have used the situation to make amazing music over zoom!
Wait til said bands get to play it… spectators forced into pens & cages in a field, lest they get within 10 feet of one another, or god forbid, want to actually smile or interact with another human…!
You are right.
Also healthy, sensible, brave, and human.
Be proud!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666051/UK-announces-Covid-19-deaths-Wednesday.html . Cases have indeed crept up from 1184 yesterday to 1048 today. Good journalism.
Excellent comment on there:
“…it also can cause aggression directed towards people who are not affected by the nonsense….”
Haha, I like that. Very true!
Just like the “journalist” on the NDR website (German tv station) reporting on Wednesday that on Thursday the fire service had 30 call outs to deal with Tuesday’ storm damage.
AIER with another great piece:
Lockdowns and Mask Mandates Do Not Lead to Reduced COVID Transmission Rates or Deaths, New Study Suggests
https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-and-mask-mandates-do-not-lead-to-reduced-covid-transmission-rates-or-deaths-new-study-suggests/
Death data is harder to manipulate, and is very similar in most European countries in terms of the shape – a spike in April and then gradually getting back to recent average, or below
Matt Handoncock pushing propaganda again!
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1298675212456734720?s=19
He’s in on it, all the Goons in the Cabinet pulling the strings are all in. Take your shot or suffer the consiquences. It’s for your own good after all
I agree with that. Suspect there are several side deals related to vaccine programmes and new drug licences. Would love to hear from Sir Alistair Graham.
I’m not a fan of Jolyon Maugham, but at least he is challenging the awarding of PPE contracts to mates of the government and not putting them out to tender. Maybe he can do the same as regards vaccine deals?
Agree. There is so much money sloshing around with no accountability. Crony capitalism at its finest.
London transport update – have now been commuting without a mask for several weeks, and have varied my route to include different lines and different stations (including main hubs). I don’t wear a lanyard or carry any sort of card, or look remotely like I might be exempt, yet I haven’t been challenged once. This includes having walked past many staff members and several BTP officers as well.
Sadly masklessness doesn’t seem to be on the rise, would say it’s probably still 95% masked, but in any case if you join the gang you are highly unlikely to be confronted from my experience, so take the bleedin’ things off!
Fantastic stuff. Maybe they can’t see you because you are not wearing one?
Oh they can see you
https://youtu.be/Roweg-c1qmU
I’m the same as you but I wear a lanyard especially after that run in with that unpleasant Karen.
That said that I am noticing a slow increase in the number of unmuzzled passengers in my local station.
Great work.
I would agree that masklessness is certainly not on the rise. I haven’t worn one when shopping since we were told to. I have been very politely asked if I have one twice, and each time have just said I’m exempt ( because of course, to wear one would cause me “severe distress”….). The chap at Waitrose today who asked me if I had a mask on my way in apologised, when I came out, for asking me. I felt sorry for him as he’s obviously been instructed to ask. I have seen less than a handful of people not wearing them in the past month. One of that handful was yesterday, in Sainsburys, and I think she was a paramedic as she had on a green polo shirt with NHS on it! But on the whole people are still complying. It’s unbelievable.
Also yesterday, in W H Smith, I heard a mother absolutely insisting that her son use the hand sanitizer. Poor kid I thought. I should have watched to check that he used it properly….
You’ll be ok until Motorolla come to BTP’s aid
http://fcassets.curry.com.s3.wasabisys.com/enc/1598212104.155_australiansurveillancetechnologyupdate.mp3
Just ridden past our shiny new town testing station at roughly “rush hour” (if we even have one any more) and three high viz jacketed numpties kicking stones around the car park. No one there!
Good thing to
No need to worry, they’ll soon be forcing school kids and teachers to make up the numbers.
Good to hear!!! Get tested, Get locked down.
If that’s typical of testing centres then where are all of these alleged ‘cases’ coming from?
All the public figures advocating lockdown seem to be on full pay. The BBC journalists, the politicians, the health professionals, all cruising along unaffected.
Are there any examples of someone not on full pay advocating not going to work?
I am reminded of the rather extraordinary fact that, during the Blitz and the Battle of the Atlantic, you could still eat at the Ritz if you could pay.
And you still had your job there if you couldn’t
Any response to the recent Korean study which suggests asymptomatics shed the virus – and thus need to be isolated – as much as those with symptoms? No huge publicity, except an article in Daily Mail on August 6th, but my OH has picked up on it.
It was in Korea that the idea of reinfections first reared its ugly head. That got debunked too.
396 reported covid deaths in Europe out of a population of over 741 million people.
I bet more more people died falling down the stairs.
Let’s ban stairs.
More people are likely to die from dodgy DIY jobs at home so let’s ban DIY!!!
This was a tweet from two days ago!!
https://twitter.com/timfprice/status/1298316428609835011?s=21
Another group of “The Science” followers push more non-science onto you with no evidence to back any claim: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223 and advertise their crap on twitter: https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1298515337537900544
Christ, the start of the push for mandating them outside, without a doubt. Claiming there’s now medium and high risk things outside, even tho the fucking pandemic is over and practically no one has the fucking virus. Gahhhh it really makes you want to find these cunts and give em a taste of their own medicine, ruin our lives and we should be able to ruin theirs.
Personally, I can’t wait for schools and unis to go back, and people to start getting freshers’ ‘flu—what better way to prove that the whole mask thing is nonsense!
Just more insane stupidity to ignore.
My daughter will be entering the sixth form as a day girl at a boarding school next week. She has been in the school for a while. Face masks are being made compulsory in “corridors and public areas”. I intend to write to the head – a very sensible woman – with my objections to this. I’m asking my LS colleagues for their input here … any suggestions? How would you tackle this?
Thank you in advance.
Who does the headteacher think she’s protecting? Staff or teachers? No evidence it does either. Chance of a child getting ill is vanishingly small from virus. Chance of being harmed by wearing masks & learning that everyone represents a mortal threat to them will cause huge problems.
It doesn’t make any sense in a boarding school – if kids are living together in dorms, and with house parents, everyone is in the same bubble anyway, so no logic to this. I wonder whether the private and boarding schools are all going down this route because that is what their insurers have told them to do? I notice that the headmaster at my sons’ former school was plastered over the local rag promoting this, avec mask. Are you in a parents’ WhatsApp group in your daughter’s school year – are other parents raising concerns – strength in numbers and all?
I would tell her how teenagers use their masks: the same mask is used for months without washing, kept in a pocket or a rucksack. I am telling this from experience – that’s how my teens use their masks. I keep telling them that they should stop or at least wash them but they don’t listen.
If my daughter’s grammar school introduce masks I will ask for risk assessment of wearing masks.
Ask how many infections she believes the her mask wearing policy in school will curtail. Insist she puts a figure on it. If she does ask how that has been calculated. You can not expect your daughter to comply with a request that isn’t rational.
read earlier comments – someone has put down the text of a mail that they have sent to headmaster of their offsprings independent school asking about risk assessments etc. do a control f and search for assessment
Other person was Chris Hume. Search (ctrl-f) should find it.
See the very helpful sample letter lower down on this thread! Ask for a copy of the risk assessment that has been done, amongst other things!
Ask for a copy if their Risk Assessment in using masks.
Ask if they have public liability insurance for any illness caused by mask wearing.
Ask what provision is being made for children who may be hard of hearing, autistic, asthmatic, claustrophobic or with generalised anxiety disorder or severe distress on wearing masks.
Ask if they can point out to you which bits of government diktat are legally required and which are just guidance.
Plus as Tyneside Tigress has pointed out, it doesn’t make sense in a boarding school.
This virus gets cleverer all the time.it can tell if you are eating food in or taking away.It can tell if you are sitting in a classroom or walking past someone in a corridor.It can tell if your shopping or drinking in a pub.
How do supposedly intelligent people fall for this crap?
Stewart posted this further down:
“There is a way to resist this. If a school mandates masks, any parent can write to the Head and ask him or her to confirm that wearing a mask carries no health risk to their child.
Unless the Head is a kamikaze he (or she) will not give any such reassurance. And on the basis of that I would feel perfectly comfortable sending my child to school with no mask and a note from home saying that the Head can’t guarantee it won’t be harmful to my child.”
France about to make masks compulsory in offices. Sturgeon will follow. Boris will follow her.
What fresh hell is this?
Its only a matter of time before they make them compulsory everywhere outside your home. What fresh hell indeed. I’m half joking, but, anything is possible in clown world.
And inside your home
Haven’t they advised that somewhere in the USA?
Broward County in Florida mandated it and it was recommended state wide by the Texas Division of Emergency Management. Breathtaking stupidity.
Apparently in Austria, Police would get involved if they saw people kissing who didn’t live together – even if they were inside your own home!
https://yournews.com/2020/05/01/1601186/austria-police-may-intervene-if-they-see-people-kissing/
It’s not Clownworld, it’s not idiots out of control in charge, it’s GatesWorld and none of us are part of it unless we take the shot.
I would hazard a guess that most companies have already mandated masks for office staff. Mine did way back in June. I will continue to work from home until such time as the either the policy or my employment is terminated.
Good for you.
It’ll only be a matter of time before regular tests and ultimately the vaccine are mandated by employers. I thought it prudent to draw my line in the sand early.
Been on my mind for a few months now. We’re all getting the boiling frog treatment, creeping tyranny, one drip at a time.
If there was any country to flee to i’d have been off weeks ago but at the moment it’s looking like a Global complete takeover.
I have resigned myself to the cold reality that it’s pretty much the same or worse almost everywhere. At least in the UK I am on familiar home turf. I can’t imagine having to deal with all this shit as an immigrant somewhere else.
That’s been going on for a long time. Especially from employers. There are the usual suspects sticking their oar in, but they haven’t taken over yet. They think they’ve won, but the fight is just beginning.
The vaccine mandate would tip me over into handing in my notice.
Not convinced they’ll ever get that. Against international law.
If the globalists want something bad enough they will simply change international law. There is a very strong lobby for mandatory vaccinations for adults. I believe if you don’t get them in some countries your life is heavily restricted – I understand Argentina had to agree to this for a bail out loan from the global financiers. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/esto-es-lo-que-necesitas-saber-sobre-la-nueva-ley/
The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund are blackmailers. Pure and simple. Mafia.
The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the W.H.O., the United Nations, ad almost infinitum are the ones that need to be reset. They need overseeing to the nth degree.
It will not be mandatory,at least not at the start; but you won’t be able to do certain things like using aeroplanes,trains buses basically follow the mask mandate
Good on you.
I am self employed. If my boss made me do it, I would be extremely concerned.
If I was employed, I would certainly be considering my future at said company.
I’d just instigate legal proceedings under international law. That will hold things up for decades.
I have a friend who works for Chelsea football club. All the staff at work have a weekly test. When they did the testing this
week 9 out of 25 people tested positive. They had all been away to either France, Greece or Sardinia. None of them together. “It is very scary to think that we only know they are
positive because of the test, they have no symptoms. So all the other people who have travelled are walking around in the shops with us, not knowing they have it.” So there you go.
What I mean is, my friend’s attitude (I was quoting her) is that there are all these people walking around in our midst who don’t even know they’re ill! I don’t dare to suggest that it might be because they’re actually not ill. But if they test everybody once a week they are bound to find some old bits of virus and the panic will never end.
A great example that this is already happening. Those nasal tests worry me greatly as well. How can it be necessary to insert a swab that deep into your head to collect a viable viral sample?
Has your friend reported any side effects after being tested e.g. headaches?
Is the ‘test’ actually a stealth lobotomy? Might explain quite a lot.
Yes – the virus so dangerous that you might breathe it on someone, so need to wear a mask but in order to find and ‘trap’ it it they have to probe deep into your nose..
Good point Carrie.
If I was forced into being tested, I would have side effects and immediately instigate legal proceedings against the testing company and whoever mandated the test.
Ditto if they do manage to force a vaccination through.
Exactly…that suggests to me I am right in thinking we have by now all been exposed to the virus. You go abroad and you get exposed to slightly different mutations and that can register on a test. But because you have cross immunity you are symptomless.
I think that’s highly sensible – this rubbish blew up my start up – have re-entered corporate world but strictly on that basis working from home – no contractual obligation to go to office at all.
I can assure you it was not easy, but I am in a much stronger position for having made my stand early and unequivocally. HR delighted in informing me that I was the only employee in the whole company who refused to sign the new policy. They failed to understand that this did not intimidate me in the slightest, rather it emboldened me that I am doing the right thing.
That’s it. Also illegal for them to force a medical intervention upon you. And I’m certain they aren’t medically qualified either?
Mine hasn’t but the office is pretty much empty still
From what I can see there is significant pressure from above being exerted on City businesses to get staff back – has only really been in last couple of weeks but have seen separate messages around “duty to City etc” being thrown around. Whether anyone will turn up more than once to sit wearing a mask all day is highly debatable.
Exactly – if they dictate that need masks sitting at a desk and meetings they may as well just shut the offices up as no-one will go in (i wouldn’t).
But i have a horrible feeling about this and the sodding government who are so illogical in their policies that i reckon they’ll say to wear masks outdoors and in offices etc. It will be at this point i hibernate in my house until over and possibly have a mental breakdown at the absurdity…i pray it won’t come to this.
The pressure of commercial rents are taking their toll. Corporate management has to accept the reality that if they insist on following government guidelines to the letter then office buildings in places like the City of London are completely unfeasible.
Either return to the old normal, or accept that the way we do business has changed forever and adjust your operating model accordingly.
Agreed – I know of one major tenant in one of the landmark buildings there worked out the queue for the lifts in the morning would be 1.6km long ! There is definitely an issue around some potential loss of social capital but there will be ways round this – the fact is the vast majority of decision makers and the immediate tiers beneath them have found this new way of working is fine and don’t want to go back to the old ways. I am luckily one of them – this shift has allowed me to restructure the way my family lives in really positive and healthy way. It’s a highly competitive environment for good people so actually the compulsion piece won’t last ten minutes.
Social capital was the myth that sustained the corporate office model well beyond its sell by date. As if the fact you were a colleague with a complete stranger meant anything. Superficial, meaningless nonsense. The internet can now comfortably support permanent home working. The willingness of the British office worker to ditch this at the earliest opportunity is a sign of the strength of our culture. Not to mention the daily bullshit commute on feeble, failing rail services that has now thankfully been terminated.
I can’t see how the landed intrests haven’t fought back against this nonsense.The sums involved are huge and the longer this goes on the more chance it never goes back to normal.
This seems like the triumph of the internet over the old way of life
If you think that’s bad have a listen to this as it’s what’s up after that !
http://fcassets.curry.com.s3.wasabisys.com/enc/1598212104.155_australiansurveillancetechnologyupdate.mp3
Jesus! and with 549 deaths from covid in the whole of Australia. I would call that a rather bizarre overreaction. It made me shudder.
Australia is the saddest example of woke, bedwettery on the planet.
And fascism.
Time for drone hunting.
Masks aren’t compulsory anywhere really though. I haven’t worn one anywhere still and never will. So they can carry on bringing in the places where you are supposed to wear them and sensible people will just not bother. I’ve given up caring if anybody else is wearing one or not now.
I very much doubt any company will sack people for not having a vaccine. I haven’t read my contract for a while but nowhere in there did it say I have to have a forced vaccination in order to continue in employment.
Yeah I’m getting more the same…I just don’t fucking wear one. Mandate it all you want.
Neither will comply with their own rules.
Its fairly obvious from Peru vs Sweden or Belarus.
If they can force people into masks the viral loading will increase and the useful crisis will continue.
OTOH if they allow things to go back to normal, we will have herd immunity soon and the virus will disappear, useful crisis is no longer there.
Its for the same reason as they tried to stop people getting exposure to Vit D outside in early summer and have stopped HCQ being used, they didn’t want natural immunity to occur and preferred a higher death rate to give a useful crisis.
I don’t think it’s in any doubt any more, Boris is in on whatever is going on, he’s not being duped or being out manouvered by Wee Jimmy Krankie. He’s a 5th Columnist and he’s fully onboard with whatever future our ‘betters’ have in store for us.
Exhibit A : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better
All the usual suspects are trotting out this phrase, all the Globalist shills. Now have a listen to good old Boris
Exhibit B: http://fcassets.curry.com.s3.wasabisys.com/enc/1598212083.829_borisjohnson-buildbackbetter.mp3
So when it was reported that Boris was in Hospital, was he really in Hospital or was he actually in a dark room being made an offer he couldn’t refuse ? Or maybe he was always their Brexit insurance policy to make sure “their man” would be at the helm when the time came?
None of this has ever made much sense after the first few weeks. I guess we’ll figure out soon enough how bad our “new future” is intended to be. For a glimpse into what that future is probably going to be like you should have to this:
http://fcassets.curry.com.s3.wasabisys.com/enc/1598212104.155_australiansurveillancetechnologyupdate.mp3
Always loathed him. Brexit was the fig leaf that he used to become PM. He couldn’t give a shit either way. If it was politically expedient he would not think twice about ditching the whole thing in the blink of an eye and keeping the UK in the EU.
I remember someone submitting an FOIA request regarding his hospital treatment back in April, but I think it was rejected due to standard medical confidentiality. This needs to be investigated in detail. Can anyone find the nurses that he personally named in that obscene and horribly scripted post-treatment video?
He has definitely deteriorated since he reemerged. All his public appearances are even more carefully stage managed than they were before. His elocution is non-existent e.g. “Hands Face Space”.
Re the nurses, all I remember was that one was male and from Portugal and the other female and from New Zealand I think? I think I read that the girl has since returned to New Zealand – was she a ‘plant’?
Repatriated to NZ in a box ?
Nope of course not.
Was she quarantined?
No of course she wasn’t. She was a nurse well known to friends and family here and in NZ. Let’s not go bat shit crazy here like Ferguson did.
The world is quite weird enough without proposing another layer of conspiracy which would mean there was a New Zealand actress, well a nurse actually, who was hired to lie that she helped treat the PM for Covid infection. This would mean all the TV companies and newspaper were part of the elaborate deception as well. Not credible.
Nonetheless, I would like their testimony to be included in the tribunal proceedings when the time comes.
Anyone could see Bozo was very sick in the days leading up to his hospitalisation. Why the conspiracy nonsense? That’s not to say there haven’t been conspiracies but any idea Johnson wasn’t hospitalised is absurd. It would require a Mafia style omerta conspiracy involving several thousand people. And to what effing purpose FFS?
Excellent point, the number of people required to falsify this, and then cover it up, it too great to be credible.
It is so easy to run away with oneself down these lines of thinking. In this case I’ll gladly accept the sobering slap around the face. The healthy mixture of characters on this comments section is vitally important for this reason.
Yes we need to keep each other in check – I’m sure I had a good slap around the chops here a while back.
Johnson had the virus, low Vit D levels and probably repeat viral exposure due to all the people he meets.
As we don’t have a 1st world health service that gives HCQ on first suspicion to keep people out of hospital, he ended up in IC as we have an NHS instead.
The yanks sent over some experimental drugs on the QT and that combined with Oxygen got him over the hump.
Oxygen, not a ventilator.
The fact you are shilling so hard in defence of Boris proves his covid ordeal was a hoax, just like the rest of this shit show.
Or this eh wrote in 2007
https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/25/global-population-control/
The lockdown in Peru started on 16 March. It has the 3rd highest death rate in the world, after San Marino and Belgium.
No lockdown Brazil isn’t even in the top ten.
Belgium has also had a strict lockdown (San Marino can be dismissed due to its low population base).
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1298643179017732108/photo/1
There is competition between CDC and Ethical Skeptic. The latter has produced his estimate of excess deaths and the accelerating burden of lockdown deaths. CDC has yet to produce excess deaths data and whether normal deaths have been reached in August or not.
Rather depressing lunch in a pub today.
Stopped at entrance and asked if we had booked (we hadn’t). Then young man checked to see if “he could squeeze us in”, in a not very busy pub. Asked for name and phone number, my friend supplied his (knowing I would not). Shown to table and soon spotted a guy heading for loo with mask on (sigh).
It was not an experience I want to repeat in a hurry.
Early this morning I emailed my MP, Geoffrey Cox, concerning muzzles in schools. I wasn’t going to bother putting it on here, then I figured that he probably won’t read it anyway, so someone may as well see it.
Dear Mr Cox,
A little over two months ago you wrote to me: ‘I hope you will agree that there would rightly have been criticism of the Government if it ignored the guidance of … [The Science] … and took decisions based on political expediency.’
Well we are asked to believe that yesterday ‘The Science’ on muzzles in schools changed dramatically in the space of a few hours. Johnson duly caved in once more to media pressure.
Three points:
1. Johnson takes decisions based on nothing but ‘political expediency’.
2. Johnson is a liar.
3. Requiring children to wear muzzles is child abuse.
One question:
1. When are MPs like yourself going to mount the backbone actually to do something about the coronavirus insanity, and hold this vile, charlatan government to account?
You, more than most, owe nothing to Johnson. He ditched you from the Cabinet. You don’t owe him your living, or your (safe, until now) seat. You do owe your constituents, and decent people everywhere. Unlike a great many MPs, you are clearly not stupid.
You are a senior backbench MP. That comes with responsibilities and duties.
Yours till next time,
A former Conservative voter.
These politicians MUST get how angry people are ? So either they are frightened themselves or just don’t care ? It’s one of the two.
They don’t care because the angry are still the minority. Everyone else scared stupid or apathetic
The only thing is, it is the core Conservative supporters that are deserting in their droves. That must surely filter through to the thickest of MP’s brain sooner, rather than later.
They still outnumber Labour voters
Though we are a growing minority :o))
Thats a great e-mail…that would sting someone with a conscience and a bit of dignity.
No point looking in Parliament, thrn.
That’s laugh out loud funny and deadly serious at one and the same time.
Thanks for the replies above.
He gets emails in a similar vein from me every few days, while Mrs TJN also writes regularly, although her emails are more direct and pointedly challenging.
I imagine that by now we are considered vexatious correspondents, so the admin assistant just logs them as another moan from the TJN household.
Thing is, Cox is clearly a very intelligent man. I can’t believe he’s taking the CV hysteria at face value. But he’s playing his cards very close – as if he wants to avoid at all costs publicly breaking ranks with the government line. As far as I can see during this, he’s done the absolute minimum he feels required to in backing the official response, and never with enthusiasm.
He may well be working away in he background, or may well not be. I just don’t know.
On a church notice board: a picture of the Houses of Parliament with caption “Pray for those in authority over us”.
Readers may wish to suggest alternative words to replace “Pray for”.
I’d add – “…so that they may see the error of their ways.”
Imprison, hang, guillotine ……..
, as they prey upon us.”
“Come friendly bombs…”
It’s the word authority that bothers me the most.
“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing” would be more appropriate.
Grim experience in Wadebridge (Cornwall) today; my new prize for bedwetter central. Usually one of my favourite little towns which I visit several times a year: no longer.
Aggressive signs outside every shop; refused entry without a mask multiple times. Many requested you to wait outside to be admitted, despite being empty. Couldn’t hire a bike trailer for our toddler as it was afternoon and they wouldn’t have time to sanitise and quarantine (??). Bike hire only was fine, though.
Anyone from Cornwall know of (or run!) sceptic-friendly tourism businesses?
It does seem ti be very bedwetter down here in the far south west. (I’m in Deepest Devon.) A poster named Bluemoon is I think from around that bit of Cornwall, or thereabouts. He may have more info.
Mrs smileymiley took me out for a celebratory birthday meal tonight. Birthday was yesterday but she couldn’t book anywhere. Went to a good local Indian restaurant.
Walked up to the door which was opened by staff member muzzled. Mrs smileymiley told them we had booked. They asked us for our address & Mrs smileymiley said we don’t have to give you that. Well done! Shown to our table, keep your distance markers on the floor & signs. A row of chairs in front of the bar supposedly a 1 way system.
All the staff in various muzzlement, some with them under their nose, some under the chin & the manager who was behind the bar not wearing one. He was continually bringing out the drinks to customers. Anyway, waiter came to take our order. He asked for our address again, we are not going to I told him. You have to says he… the law states I don’t have to comply I say. But we get mystery customers checking up on us….
So, I say.
Everyone has the right not to give their information. They couldn’t do anything about it.
We had a lovely meal, the tables were no further apart than usual, every table utilised even though Mrs. smileymiley was told she had to be their for 6 o’clock 1st sitting.
By the time we were having our main course the waiters had all got their masks under the nose, below the chin or off altogether! A total farce!!
No antisocial distancing by customers, only one had a mask on when he went to the loo… ! Why?
But we got 20 quid off!
First time eating out since this madness started, won’t be going out again till it stops.
Just been to a lovely local-ish pub for the first time. A woman (mid-sixties) walked in wearing a mask that matched her dress. Went through to the beer garden and proceeded to smoke heavily sans mask (I report as a smoker)
‘a mask that matched her dress’ – she’s clearly in it for the long haul! Whereabouts in the country was this, by the way? I know someone who sews, and makes her own clothes, and this sounds exactly like something she would do…
That is only one step away from ‘his ‘n’ hers’ matching sets!
I’ve seen them, unfortunately.
That pretty much mirrors the experience we had at our local Indian a couple of weeks ago, although they didn’t even bother asking for our details. At the moment, it is the only place I would consider going out to.
Happy Birthday Smiley. 21 again?
Good thing that PM Johnson isn’t a traffic warden.
He doesn’t have the intellect
A sad day for me. Earlier today I basically resigned as a Scout Leader after seeing the ridiculous rules that we will have to follow if we wish to continue with Scouting.
From the 3rd September:
Indoor Activities will be allowed
Numbers will change to allow 15 young people and up to 5 adults to engage in face to face activities (carers will not be counted in these numbers)
Young people must stay in their batch/bubble/group but adults will be able to move between batches at the same time.
Adults who are delivering activities do not need to wear a face covering, but may chose to do so.
Scouts and Explorers will need to wear face coverings for indoor meetings
We need to continue to encourage young people to maintain 2m social distancing
The rules are completely stupid and inconsistent, the Scouts have to wear masks but the Leaders don’t? The 2m social distancing requirement has been dropped everywhere else, why are we still requiring it? It will make running any kind of games or activities basically impossible. We don’t have enough space or tables for 15 scouts to be 2m apart at all times. I presume camping is out too. Who on Earth uses terms like Batch to describe people? They’re kids not an effing product.
On top of that we now have to carry out a full Covid risk assessment for the building and all activities. They can just eff off. This seems to be designed to take all the fun out of Scouting and I don’t see how you can even run a meeting night with those restrictions. As a result I’ve told the Group Scout Leader that I have no desire to continue until things return to normal.
I would urge anyone with kids in Scouts to withdraw them now and any leaders to also resign.
Baden Powell must he turning in his grave at the moment.
That’s really sad. My boys are really looking forward to going back to Beavers (my older boy is old enough for cubs, but his best friend isn’t, so he’s waiting). Sounds like I may have to stop them.
That is probably for the best, although it might be slightly better at Beaver/Cub level (they won’t have to wear masks).
I just don’t see how it will be possible to have a fun experience with these restrictions in place. The 2m rule alone will make virtually every game we play impossible and seems impractical to actually enforce. Other activities will require the scouts to be on individual tables as they are too small for the social distancing requirement(we only have 10 tables in the hut too). Sharing of tools will also be impractical as they will probably need to be cleaned between each user (the sample risk assessment suggests that, we don’t have enough of most equipment for each scout to have one assigned to them). Camping seems completely impossible for obvious reasons. Can we even do some activities such as cooking?
I’m going to try and get some feedback as to what activities/games they actually expect us to be able to do, what guidance they’ve received from the government. I’m also going to ask if they’ve prepared a risk assessment on the long term wearing of masks. I expect I’ll just get some bollocks back about following the ‘Science’ or some such.
I haven’t used the forums, but it would be worthwhile to start something to detail and document the staggering degree of “thou shalt not” that we’re expected to live under. As a scouts, I spent days in the rain trying to get an A frame up. Probably caught a cold. Didn’t kill me. Barely noticed n
Have had a similar experience with hockey. I’ve kicked off at England Hockey, but that’s me hanging up my boots. If the ball goes out of play you have to retrieve it with your stick, no picking up. And changing rooms and showers are closed. So i can drive 2 hours to play a game then drive back with no tea or shower. Hands must be sanitised at half time. That’s a whole generation of youngsters (not that they shower anyway) who are going to be put off playing by stupid rules. Good luck with the obesity drive when organised sport has been turned to shi*e.
Oh Steve and Bobblybob that is very sad. So many people missing out, so many losses. Today I lost my temper with a young neighbour who is in his 20s whilst I am in my 60s. We are in the Northern so called lockdown. Myself and all my friends and family are taking no notice at all of the rules, we are meeting up and hugging. My young neighbour told me its so difficult not being able to do anything or meet any one. I am afraid I lost it and told him to grow up.
But it had me thinking that perhaps young people have bought into the rules as they are being sold as communitarian. Perhaps also they don’t have elderly family living in care homes so don’t know about those separations. And perhaps young people are less likely to know about the long waiting lists and backlogs at the hospitals. Perhaps they have also been sold the idea to be opposed to the rules is an alt right attitude.
It looks like we will have a long way to go to get them on board.
There is always horse riding, lots of excellent exercise, new skills to learn and most horse people sceptical (at least where I am). Stables over run with kids for weeks now, all social distancing gone by the board a long time ago. Lovely to see them all on the ponies riding to music in the school. Happy times.
Agreed – amongst all the horsey folk I know everyone is behaving as if the pandemic never happened. My vet, who I respect enormously, even had me peering over his shoulder to check out the sharp teeth in one of my horse’s mouths. His practice sent out a text before he arrived with a long list of rules (face masks must be worn, horse must be already tied up in stable, 2 m distance at all times etc etc) but a quick nod and smile and we carried on as normal.
Wow you’re lucky. The yard I am on has some proper bedwetters. Will think nothing of galloping across country but have a melt down if you go in the tack room
while they are in there. Sport Endurance has not even had a delayed start to the season because too many members felt unsafe due to Covid. I thought people who rode 600kg of unpredictable animal at high speeds would have more backbone!
I was talking to someone recently who attended a Girl Guide camp during the 1968 flu epidemic. She reports two of the girls were removed on stretchers during the camp, it didn’t stop the camp. Very different times indeed.
That’s insanity. When i was a scout 35 years ago, we played British bulldog. I remember being dragged around an old scout hut as a new boy, getting splinters in my arse. Halcyon days. I reckon that the many experiences I had in the Scouts taught me how important risk taking is to having a great life.
I heard before this just how stupidly risk averse the Scouting movement had become.
Spoke to a friend earlier who’s retired and volunteers a couple of days a week at a local museum. He’s refused to go back due to having to wear a face mask.
What was left of the volunteer sector is being killed by the do gooding virtue signalling twats.
Much respect to you for resigning. The Scouts used to be a brilliant institution.
Sweet Jesus, you just made me think of my old Scout master for the first time in years.
“Pinching Peter Cub Scout Eater”
He was a bastard when we played bulldog.
I am so sorry to hear this. I have found that the joy has been taken out of everything since this madness started. Whenever “they” give us back something, it comes with some new humiliation in exchange. Sure, the stores are open again but who wants to wear a mask, have your temperature checked, line up for a change room, etc.? You can go to a restaurant but you’ll be served by a masked server, have to give your contact information, wear a mask to/from the table and bathroom, etc. Nothing that used to give me pleasure gives me pleasure any longer, even if it’s technically “open.” I really want to lose it when people claim that everything has opened up again. Good on you for resigning and taking a stand — if it’s going to be a miserable experience for you and the kids, there’s no point in being a part of it.
Interesting. In writing, Ema ?
What hath PM Johnson wrought?
https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1298648408475881472
“The CDC reversed its guidance to say that people in close contact with a COVID-positive person don’t need to get tested. This is not science. It’s politics. Politics that are dangerous to public health. It’s indefensible.”
The insane US Politics. Cuomo NY complaining about new CDC guidelines not testing asymptomatic
This might be due to Dr Scott Atlas joining the US COVID-19 repsonse team, or whatever they are called there, seems he’s one of the few sane ones…
Cuomo’s a dangerous nobody.
Time for a little parody before I sink into the darkness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWVASwqNWQ
Thank you Laura!!! Just what I needed. Really need to get myself a Science bumbag.
Surely the only person who thinks Bozo Johnson has been Curchillian is himself?!
If he thinks that he’s dellusional. Seriously delusional.
It is when authority is understood by almost everyone to be in the right that it is most tyrannical.
Well said.
I’m spent after less than 6 months of point 1. I had no idea that my pain threshold was so low. A pale shadow of my ancestors who withstood far greater agonies than this.
I expect they knew why. Had to fight Hitler. Had to fight the Kaiser. Had to fight Boney. Had to struggle against poverty. Had to fight for rights and fair treatment. Had to fight to get their kids educated. In every case, they knew either who they were fighting or what they were fighting for.
But this? A non-event. Something that barely registers, yet has torn our society apart. Sadly, this time the enemy is within.
Hold fast.
I think the enforced isolation has been a big factor in the speedy demoralisation. Keep people seperated for long enough and make strangers biohazards to be avoided.
In those previous struggles we were all in it together. At the moment large swathes of the population are completely atomised.
I am a naturally antisocial person, and have gone out of my way to avoid people left, right and centre for decades. Never went to parties or “events” of any kind. Always sat at a table in a pub as far away from others as I could. Shunned strangers. Did my shopping late in the evening.
But that was my choice, and I always had the company of a handful of cherished friends to look forward to at the end of the week. Not only has this possibility been shut down by the state, but I have also effectively lost all of said friends through deep and irreconcilable differences around the events of the last 6 months, without even having had the chance to argue my case to them in person.
No matter how exhausted I get, I will hold the line. Even if it kills me.
The Last Poets. 1984.
Hold Fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sKHlNp5ZZE
I know what you mean, I sometimes think that the reason I am not challenged about not wearing a facemask is because after 5 months of Covid lockdown and madness I have the demeanor of a psychopathic serial killer out on temporary licence!
>a psychopathic serial killer out on temporary licence
How about an official-looking lanyards to that effect? Would work great in supermarkets etc
I would say if challenged by any berk ” I am bi polar and any form of anxiety brings forth an unpredictable outcome.”
Don’t underestimate the agony Richard. I’ve thought my resilience was low as well, but remembered I’ve come through multiple miscarriages, 2 preemie births, postpartum depression, and a teen who has suffered with mental health issues — and none of that was even close to this in terms of the depression and anxiety I have felt these past 5 months. My life has been pretty charmed, so I don’t trot out these difficulties looking for sympathy, and I’m quite sure everyone here has their own personal war stories. What’s going on here is an existential threat to everything we’ve ever assumed about life here on earth. Yes, there have been wars and other great agonies in recent history, but when people banded together during wartime it was to fight a visible enemy. The existential threat was more tangible, and even during war there was still school, theatre, social life, etc. What’s happening here is very different and is an attack on the very nature of what it is to be human. And it’s happened with startling speed, with no end in sight. I don’t know that the world has been gaslighted ever before to this extent. Let’s try to shore each other up as best we can! It’s easy to be self-critical — I’ve been there so many times recently — but I think there’s something wrong with people who AREN’T suffering right now. They’re either too stupid or in a coma, but I suspect it’ll catch up with them eventually.
This is significant. Our culture denigrates anything that is not physical, including suffering. In terms of my ancestry, wallowing in the trenches under constant shell and gas attack from the Bosch, or being under Luftwaffe bombardment every night for months on end, is always going to be considered more grievous. Anyone who claims to be suffering now is castigated as self-indulgent by comparison.
Your testimony speaks very eloquently to the dimensions of what we face however, which is nothing short of global psychological warfare. This is unique in all history in terms of its methods and scale. I have studied 20th century genocides at length, and as you and others have stated, the enemy was always in plain sight. Not so these days.
The pain is obvious every day in the comments here. It is real and significant. And ours to bear witness to, own and survive.
We could be optimistic though. This could be the start of an uprising. Let’s not forget that pre-Covid was not a barrel of laughs for a lot of people. We could have a re-set, but on our terms, not the 1%. As loving, cooperative human beings and not as slaves.
It’s time for another Peasants Revolt. Don’t eff up this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt
I’m looking forward to the day they try #3 cuz I got nothing to live for and nothing to lose.
‘Go ahead, make my day’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ishbTwXf1g
Oh dear, no freebie skiing and extra-curricular nookie for the great and good due to the virus:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/26/world-economic-forum-says-annual-meeting-in-davos-will-be-delayed-until-summer-2021.html
The vaccine trials must have hit a few snags!
That is news!
I really hope they have overplayed their hand. What has occurred is unforgivable.
They have.
If only there was another Austin Powers film – “Austin Does Davos”, That would be funny. Especially if he was a asymptomatic carrier unwittingly killing off world leaders he thought he was protecting.
Very good!
I’m sure they’re still plotting over Zoom. Now that the masses have been cowed, they’re not going to give up that easily. Postponing the meeting is for optics — they’re still psychopaths.
Oh I agree with that, but from their point of view, better done while accompanied by sex and drugs and rock ‘n’ roll!
Looks like they are running behind schedule so need to think something else up or be defeated.
Today I received an email from our big cheese informing us of who have taken voluntary redundancy and telling us to standby for announcement of further savings which, ahem, will most certainly include compulsory redundancy.
This should never had happened had we stuck to the original 3 week, flatten the curve lockdown. Instead we are fighting to stay alive despite the laughable “safety” measures and abysmal visitor numbers. With more job losses and bankruptcies over the horizon, I seriously doubt that our numbers will improve unless all antisocial distancing, muzzle wearing and other Covid “safety” measures are abolished.
I’ve always said this before and I’ll say it again – Johnson, Hancock, Ferguson and the rest of SAGE, you have blood on your hands. I shall never forgive and forget for what you’ve done, how you’ve brainwashed people into believing your nonsense and lies and especially how you destroyed lives.
Save The NHS !! Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.
Good luck on the job front. I’m in the same boat come Friday.
Thanks and same to you. We won’t find out anything yet about the further savings until September.
Yes they do have blood on their hands and the longer they lie the more will the damage and deaths be. I am so sorry for you and NonCompliant.
Hence why I foresee rioting – it will come. Don’t know when but the clock is ticking.
Definitely Bart. I’ve seen it on other sites were pro-lockdown voices have fallen silent one by one, replaced by scepticism. See it in the comments to online newspaper articles. Hear it more and more as people realise they stand to lose everything they hold dear.
And over a spook. A non-event. A non-epidemic.
There will be trouble. Tick-tock.
It will make 2011 and even the Poll Tax riots look like a picnic.
But don’t rely on the Scotland this time. The Scots have bent their now very weak knees to power crazy Nicola, who is intent on outgunning even dullard Boris, in the Covid stupidity stakes.
Any odds yet on the Covid stupidity stakes? The betting companies could use some fresh revenue.
You can’t bet on infinity.
But it will be socially distanced rioting.
Maybe they should carry BLM or VE day placards to avoid social distancing. We have established that BLM is immune from the virus.
November the angst will start when the furlough ends and mortgage holidays are terminated and people are faced with the stark reality…
And more shops closing following commercial rent collection in September.
I think October could be problematic on many fronts. Historically a bad month for the stock market, and I anticipate a ‘credit event’ either here or in the US, or both. End of conference season, run up to US election. Can still get warm weather – people outside drinking. I hope not, but it could all spill over into something nasty.
Huge storm/hurricane heading to US also, could be catastrophic.
Yes, hurricane watch till November too.
Oh dear me.
And October together with November is usually the last chance saloon in a year to find and/or secure a new job. Which I suspect won’t be forthcoming this year hence another reason for rioting.
It actually needs to spill over into something very forceful or we are finished.
Oktoberfest in Germany.
Cheers Wendy. Lets hope we’re getting close to the push back.
And this is only going to get worse.
Sorry to hear this Bart,I wish you well.I too will never ever forget those that have destroyed this country,they deserve to hang for what they have done.
All around the madness is accelerating and I now have very little hope we can ever live in sanity again,I have felt more despair this week than at any time so far in this unreal nightmare.
Agree. And I also include Imperial College in this – they along with the BBC should be defunded and closed for the misery they have inflicted on us.
Will Bill demand a refund?
Don’t hang them, make them live in Greta Thunberg’s Green Paradise home. No gas, no this, no that … Chop your own firewood. Hunt for your food. Rub two sticks together to make a fire. What bliss!
Greta lives in central Stockholm – I just looked up her home on the internet. Such information is easily findable here in Sweden
I’d forgotten one of her middle names was Tintin…
WE live in sanity.
So long as we don’t despair, there will be sane people carrying on the fight.
Never thought much of Hancock – the idiot who emailed the Conservative Party election plan to his near namesake, Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock. But I confess I was a Johnson fan and the events of the last few months have been a huge and irreparable disappointment. As you say the initial 3 week lockdown was possibly barely justified since the NHS had failed to plan properly for a pandemic. But everything after has been a huge act of self harm, the equivalent of sawing off your leg because you’ve got a toenail infection.
Well said. I blame the MSM for pushing us into this mess, they should also get their own day of reckoning.
Destroyed lives, destroyed businesses, destroyed jobs, destroyed opportunities, destroyed education, destroyed the country’s finances, destroyed trust in the Establishment (what was left of it).
Hope you manage to avoid the job losses Bart. Don’t know yet if I’m in the same boat.
Indeed. It’s destruction on a Carthaginian scale!
Sorry to hear this Bart – there are no words strong enough for these cretins who have absolutely ruined people’s livelihoods and the entire country. Too many people will be in the same position and I hope they all loudly express their anger to TPTB – i have a feeling it will be the winter of discontent for this government and they so deserve it!
Wish you all the best for your company and employment – i think most people in the country, certainly private business sector, are living in fear of job loss, i know i am!
It’s really sad and for us who remain, it will be weeks of stress and uncertainty. As a friend has said, she has known of people who have lost jobs or died from other illnesses. But to this day she doesn’t know of anyone who had Covid 19 much less died from it.
Agree with you. As that famous TV programme has said, winter is coming and the government will have their day of reckoning.
They are war criminals, the lot of them. The quicker we get to full on meltdown the better I reckon.As the saying goes, if you’re going through hell then go through it quickly (or something like that).
And I think we will – furlough ending and commercial rents coming up in September – its not going to be pretty.
I’m sad for anyone who questioned this nonsense and who will have to pay a huge price for it. Can’t muster up the same empathy for the lockdown zealots. We are in the envious position of being retired, and yet were more than willing to take the “risk” of going on as usual in order to prevent economic armageddon and preserve the rights and freedoms for our kids that we have taken for granted our entire lives. Makes me sick to hear the people who are not in fear of losing their jobs, businesses, etc. drone on about “saving lives” as if the economy is somehow unrelated to lives. We were happy to do our part to keep on living, spend money, etc. but these draconian rules have kept me at home and not spending money. If old normal makes a comeback I’ll be the first on a plane, in a restaurant, in a shop, at a museum, etc. My anger on behalf of those of you who may lose jobs knows no bounds, and I worry for my kids as well.
I am in the same position Lisa. I worry for my kids (20 and 18), just starting out as independent adults at university, then hopefully careers. The opportunities I had at that age, and the lifestyle in London in the late 1980s, I fear will never return in my lifetime.
Mine are 23 and 19. The older is in her last year of teacher’s college to teach in a French immersion setting and am just hoping she doesn’t have to go into a classroom like she’s supposed to…only because of the mask bullshit (mandatory for all). She already has strep throat from being back in the city a week and I’m sure it’s because of that damn mask. The younger is at university and will be OK for now, but of course I concur with you about whether they’ll have the same lifestyle and opportunities we had.
Thanks. I always get really cheesed off when someone says “people before profit” or “if it saves one life its worth it. They really need to be confronted with the harsh realities of their favourite sayings and the sooner we consign these abominations to the dustbin of history where they belong, our society has a fighting chance.
Ask them if they know how many lives have been saved as opposed to how many lives have been/will be lost. They probably don’t know either way.
Do we actually know how many lives have been saved? I mean, ignoring the waffle about limiting the spread (it’s clear to me it had spread far and wide before anybody noticed it) but in terms of hospitals, say – how many people have come out of hospital alive who would otherwise have died? We’ve heard about lots of people who’ve died in hospital and there will be people who went into hospital and recovered simply because their bodies fought off the infection, but how many has our sainted NHS actually saved?
Not retired (46) but WFH since March and not spending. My monthly expenditure has fallen to €500 (not a typo) due to lockdown and an inability to go anywhere. I would be more than happy to return to the original normal towmorrow and start spending.
Same with my firm, before this it was making good profits and now we have made lots of people redundant, slashed monthly bonus schemes etc. All because of the fools acting like this is some virus out of the ordinary instead of a normal event which we have had piles of in my lifetime (over 50), if you include flu’s, bad cold viruses etc.
I called it the first snowflake pandemic when it started. Nothing has changed my mind.
Now we have Government managed via Social Media and MSM reactions. I voted for Boris, in my eyes he is now impossible to vote for again, but so are the rest of them.
Without any doubt, the biggest group of wet halfwits we have ever had the choice to vote for.
Where is the British fight, common sense?
The country is run by fools, listening to fools, destroying retail while allowing the likes of Amazon to pay next to no tax. Destroying the travel/transport industries while we are forced to quarantine as 20 in 100,000 have a virus most will not even realise they have.
I would like to say I believe we will learn from our mistakes, but I doubt it. I think this is the start of things to come.
New doorman at Aldi tonight. I smiled at him and started perusing the flowers. I could sense his hesitation, then he said quietly and politely: “I think you’ve forgotten your mask?” I looked straight at him said “I’m exempt” and he just said “Oh, fine.”
First time I’ve been challenged, though done very tentatively. No big deal.
No spraying either, though I got a funny look from the perpetrator. I think she suspects it was me who complained. Heh, heh, heh!
I’ve been mulling over a response to my parish priest, who emailed me to check on my older boy. My older boy was supposed to have his first communion in June this year – they’re now offering a socially distanced first communion in October. (I’m very angry). I’ve drafted this – would welcome contributions and if I should tone it down.
Hello father XXXX,
First of all, thank you for your email and apologies for the slow response. I’m also conscious that I owe XXXX multiple emails. I’ve been considering my reply quite carefully.
We have done our best over the last several months to keep XXXX up-to-date with the first communion teaching course, as we have done with his schoolwork. I’m relatively confident that he is ready for first communion and he certainly shows a good understanding of the teaching and the passages set.
I appreciate you giving the option of first communion under the current circumstances or deferring to next year.
On balance, I would much prefer for XXXX’s first communion to be deferred to next year (presumably/hopefully Corpus Christi). As I have done my best to protect both of my boys from the Orwellian reality developing around them. I would prefer to continue that by offering XXXX a spiritual experience in his first communion next year, rather than inflicting a dystopian vision on a young mind and lead him to be distant from the church.
I am sure that you and others at [name of church] have done your best to interpret the rules and guidance given by the government and translated by the archdiocese and I don’t question or criticise you for it. I’m sorry to say that I do question the church itself for failing to stand up for the importance of spiritual succour in the midst of an apparent pandemic. Churches did not close for the Black Death but Pope Francis feels unable to insist that they remain open for this. It is cowardly. I have never felt more alienated from the Church of Rome.
If XXXX is willing and if we have returned to something approaching normality by next summer, then I hope he can enjoy the sacrament of first communion.
Best regards,
XXXX
Although I agree with what you are saying, and as a Catholic (very lapsed) I suggest ‘but I am disappointed that Pope Francis did not insist they remain open for this’, and remove ‘It is cowardly’, unless your priest is young (under 40).
I made some changes and sent:
Hello father XXX,
First of all, apologies for the slow response. I’m also conscious that I owe
XXX multiple emails. I’ve been considering my reply quite carefully.
We have done our best over the last several months to keep XXXX up-to-date with the first communion teaching course, as we have done with his schoolwork. I’m relatively confident that he is ready for first communion and he certainly shows a good understanding of the teaching and the passages set.
I appreciate you giving the option of first communion under the current circumstances or deferring to next year.
On balance, I would much prefer for XXXX’s first communion to be deferred to next year (presumably/hopefully Corpus Christi). As I have done my best to protect both of my boys from the Orwellian reality developing around them, I would prefer to continue that by offering Ralph a spiritual experience in his first communion next year, rather than inflicting a dystopian vision on a young mind and lead him to be distant from the church. The Blessed Sacrament is not poison, it should not be treated as such.
I am sure that you and others at [church] have done your best to interpret the rules and guidance given by the government and translated by the archdiocese and I don’t question or criticise you for it. I’m sorry to say that I do question the church itself for failing to stand up for the importance of spiritual succour in the midst of an apparent pandemic. Churches did not close for the Black Death but Pope Francis feels unable to insist that they remain open for this.
If Ralph is willing and if we have returned to something approaching normality by next summer, then I hope he can enjoy the sacrament of first communion.
Best regards,
Matt
Excellent. It’s a special event and needs to be conducted in the right manner.
Much preferred the first letter.
I think it is a good letter. I defer though of course to the Tigress.
This is so sad. I am sorry your son and you are in this position.
Something odd has got into many of the clergy, it seems to me. Not that I can claim a representative knowledge. My old chaplain, in his nineties, finds all this stuff repugnant. Others I know, a generation and more younger, are terrified. I don’t quite understand it. I have heard one good sermon that said basically what you do above, slightly more diplomatically. The point was made from the pulpit that the Church does not exist to save lives, but to save souls. A full church showed visible, almost triumphant assent. But even there, compliance reigns. I am exempt, of course
Something odd indeed, and it seems to apply to all churches.
Do the clergy really have any trust in God?
Not RC but I think this is a good letter.
Great email …and I’m an atheist
Fantastic. Your parish priest appears to be lost in the wilderness at the moment.
I think this is a very polite and reasonable letter. No toning down required in my view.
Hold firm.Do not subject your son to Covid worship.
Wait until your Church returns to the worship of the true God. He will wait. He doesn’t go by timetables.
Check out Peter Hitchen’s Tortoise Campaign:
Control the Tortoise. Look upwards at all times. Save Lives.
The comments are fun: https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1297812708885225472
It’s very funny
I think he’s reaching the end of his tether
We all are Julian.
I suspect many are reaching the end of their tethers. I cannot see any way of getting out of this but will not stop trying.
The comments are great. We are not alone.
I love the shark rustler in the comments!
Just thinking aloud….
All we hear these days, is woke this woke that. “I’m offended about our past” …. “I’m outraged about the past” …..”how dare slavery be part of our past” ….. and so on and so. Despite the fact they’ll find racism far worse in the rest of Europe but that’s irrelevant for the point I am thinking.
Yet these virtue-signallers will happily wear masks for their new masters. Are they slaves now to their rulers?
Am I missing something? Will this offend them in the future?
I shall finish thinking aloud now.
Empires destroy themselves in the end… Christian Democracies are a dying breed
Degeneracy destroys empires and the collapse of Christianity in the west is almost complete.What fills the gap is up for grabs now.We have facism and technocracy trying to seize total power.
The U-turn taken by BJ on face masks is deceptively discretionary. It only makes them mandatory for schools in lockdown areas, giving discretion to head teachers whether to impose them in all other areas. But headteachers are amongst the most cautious and risk averse people in public service. There is also a herd mentality to them which means that they are very afraid – with one or two notable exceptions – of standing our from the crowd. In the next week or so we can thus expect most heads to interpret “discretionary guidance” as mandatory action. Despite the majority of schools being outside lockdown areas, and thus not actually subject to the mask rule, by the beginning of term I can pretty well guarantee that most schools will be insisting on masks. Headteachers, meant to encourage open thinking, initiative and debate amongst their students, were the ones demanding this guidance in the first place because they didn’t know what to do without it. Speaks volumes, sadly.
Yes, Boris has outsourced the decision knowing full well they’ll all introduce masks, effectively saving “schools are not safe”!
And of course the decision makers don’t pick up the bill! That all comes straight back to the taxpayer.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359388
“People are feeling more anxious and angry during the second Covid-19 lockdown than any other time since the pandemic started, according to new social media analysis.
The sense of community New Zealand felt during the first lockdown in March appears to have somewhat dissolved amid growing frustration and despair, suggests the new research by business consultancy Rutherford.”
I wonder how they would feel in the third lockdown.
Might that imply a shock result for Jacinda, friend of Blair, when the election is finally allowed to take place in October?
The various policing videos coming out make me wonder hi ow anyone could have a positive feeling.
Why are NZ-ers so compliant?
It’s not just NZ-ers it’s the whole world!
There is an interesting video on Twitter about some dodgy things going on off the coast of NZ – apparently big names are fleeing there to avoid prosecution in the US..
I thought the were planning to keep NZ isolated for the next 5 years just to be really sure!
And the fourth, and the fifth, and so ad infinitum, in an unending game of cat- and-mouse.
Oh, what fun.
Has anyone seen the EasyJet flight from Gibraltar farce?
Flight was delayed so EasyJet put passengers into hotels overnight, but they could not get enough hotel space in Gibraltar so sent passenger across the border in Spain.
These people are now having to isolate for two weeks having been to Spain.
This stuff is a joke.
If you have ever been to Gibraltar you will know why.
It’s that clever virus again-knows it’s not allowed to cross the 10 metre strip of land separating the two countries.
Indeed, many people walk across the “border” to go to work each day.
The Ambleside Inn in the lakes just tried to take our temperature before letting us in the pub. Decided to go elsewhere for a drink.
Restaurant staff (mostly 20 yr olds) all masked up and shops full of face nappies. Insanity squared.
This is the new normal. This government will go down in the history books as the cabinet who phuqued it all up royally.
Nah, they’ll just rewrite the history books once whoever is in charge has achieved their goals.
‘There will be no more history – or future – if they have their way. Just the hell of the eternal now’
Prescient, whoever said it.
Well with the August Bank holiday approaching we are heading towards the end of the tourist season, whilst the lakes will have been busy with UK tourists I wonder what the lack of international tourists will have done to to economy.
Hope whichever pub you ended up in you had a good pint.
It’s was mildly ok. However plastic screens across the bar.
3 lads came in and the barman got stroppy with them “only one person at the bar at a time”
There’s something wrong with them. Where I drink the whole lot is completely ignored apart from some staff wearing muzzles.
This is not the new normal. I’d give it 2 weeks after governments no longer require it. Most people know it’s stupid, and those who don’t are brainwashed… but the thing about brainwashing… reality ends up creeping back in. New normal only happens when it is based on something real.
The other half has been out and about over the border in England again this week. He’s noticed less mask wearing than previous weeks. So perhaps the tide is turning?
As I pointed out, yesterday, the state of Idaho recently voted to end its state of emergency, meaning that all of the covid restrictions disappear. I will have to ask my sister, but I imagine some of the awful school restrictions will still be in place. But, consider the following: Lockdowns happened in the same way mask-mandates happened. It wasn’t breaking news or developing science, it was mob behavior in the form of fad. Governments saw what other governments were doing and then reacted based on nothing more than a sort of peer pressure.
That is not how you build something lasting. The exact same thing can happen in reverse. Now, in the United States, you already have several states saying “ok, we’re done with this bullshit.” Southern states will quickly follow, but because they had much later covid curves, they’re only just coming out of it. Once a majority of US states have ended their restrictions, and once our election is concluded one way or another, their will be a lot of unrest that starts to bubble up, and we will have several states that we can point to as having done the right thing and suffered no harm.
It would not surprise me in the very least if this whole thing crumbles just as quickly as it was erected… and no disrespect to the UK, but if it falls in the US, I think it will fall over there as well.
This has to be our hope. I pity the countries unreported and unrepresented on here who went into savage lockdown in mid-March, far worse than anything in the West, and have yet to have any of the restrictions lifted e.g. Peru, Panama, India to name a few.
I have been personally told by an Indian colleague that if he so much as set foot outside his front door he was beaten with sticks by the police, then fined for breaking lockdown. And when he couldn’t take it anymore he snuck out for a drive late at night, whereupon he was forcibly removed from his car by the police, beaten with sticks, fined for his infractions and then had his car confiscated, never to be seen again.
To think that several states in the US never even mandated a shelter in place e.g. South Dakota, Iowa.
The UK. government and its stooges deserve no respect whatever, but yes, they will follow anything that moves.
We can only hope!
Nobody who is not medically qualified should be taking your temperature.
Ask them when the device was last calibrated and certified as being accurate. The low cost ones off the internet are not great.
Great idea!
DavidC
I don’t know much about body temperature but surely you can have a raised temperature for conditions other than Covid, i.e. infections, menopause? A friend witnessed somebody being turned away from the gym because she had a raised temperature having jogged there.
Quite. And the average bar person is not qualified to do differential diagnosis.
Went out 4×4 with kankku in Ambleside. Great day out.
When we arrived at 9am! they had a magic smoke machine in the cab of the land rover. No idea what it was but it’s was basically a white plastic humidifier generating a magic smoke.
The guide says “please wait a few minutes until the cabs are sterilized but the smoke”
Clearly a token gesture for all the bed wetters.
Had to laugh, it’s like we have gone back 400 years and the church is brainwashing the punters with voodoo.
Apart from that had a normal day out and they were fab.
The pub we were in today had probably more,social distancing going on in January than now! I think the patrons were trying to make a point!! It was a lovely reminder of how things used to be.
Maybe the patrons are taking a very slight risk…but why is that risk worse than skiing, playing rugby, crossing the street, riding a motorbike, riding a horse, boxing, drinking alcohol, or eating cream cakes?
Or of catching a cold.
The temperature level was reduced to 37.8, replacing 38.6.
I was in a pub garden this week and heard a 60+ year old man ask a 20+ year old staff member whether he should wear a mask to the toilet. Find it worrying that people are not capable of making their own decisions in this respect and need to be told what to do. In a restaurant, I was asked by a member of staff whether I had washed my hands – first time anyone’s asked me that for about 50 years!
if he wore a nappy he could stay where he was ,,
Wales continues to plough it’s own furrow in the mask v no mask debate – well sort of…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53918841
I’m kind of impressed that Grandpa Drakeford and co are not simply doing whatever Sturgeon does, like Boris, but obviously leaving the decision to union loving bed wetting headteachers and councils is likely to lead to face masks in schools, even if the Welsh Gov don’t want them to be mandatory.
https://gov.wales/statement-face-coverings-schools?fbclid=IwAR0tWIbmloihjwTfQRqbW9PRodfmOrQG3I6WM8ptTfmKxh7oKS3vCY3ooOc
There is this big push in all sorts of fields (social services, specifically) to move to “evidence based practices.”
Yet, here we are, with countries and states all over requiring kids to wear masks in school (or, in the US, many, many schools aren’t even opening at all), in spite of the fact that there is virtually no evidence to support these actions, and a lot of evidence showing that they will be harmful.
Apologies if it’s already been mentioned but Matt le Tissier was sacked from Sky Sports today. Make of that what you will.
Toby should be onto this one. Matt has been a breath of fresh air on Twitter. Has he been sacked for questioning the narrative in the pandemic?
Probably went for questioning the black lives matter propaganda the presenters were forced to endorse.
Expect more diversity on sports Saturday soon
Wasn’t the legend Clive Tyldesley also recently removed, from ITV coverage, in his case? racial profiling much??
Both Sky and CNBC are ‘pushing’ or ‘nudging’ the lockdown and aspects of cultural Marxism. Both now owned by Comcast. Brian L Roberts, is the Chairman and CEO, a Democrat supporter of Hillary Clinton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_L._Roberts
That’s interesting… with the push on BLM particularly at the moment, Hillary famously went into a meeting of theirs a few years ago, think it might have been election year 2016 actually, got into the face of one [African-American] guy and almost screamed, “I’m just gonna speak to the white people over there…”!
McCarthyism in the 21st Century.
He’s more than likely gone for not supporting BLM. Looks like Thompson and Nicholas must’ve also objected too. It’s the same as getting rid of Gower and Botham last year, they are not remainers so can’t have them representing SKY.
Meanwhile disgusting reptile Piers Morgan who was highly critical of BLM four years ago in 2016 is now fully on board with their Far Left race-baiting agenda. Matt should have learned from the master.
white kills white,, not news
black kills black – not news
black kills white – not news
white kills black – BLM! Racism! MSM go mad. Sports teams cancel and virtue signal. People are blocked, people are cancelled. We are all institutionally racist . ..
I certainly am. I’ve committed the four cardinal sins: white, male, born here, worked and paid taxes. I am beyond redemption.
Phil Thompson and Charlie Nicholas too. Looking forward to Sky Sports Soccer Wokeday on a weekend ! Might be time to ditch them shortly.
Mines already gone.Couldnt take the virtue signalling.I only wanted to watch football
the one good thing about this whole thing is sport has shot itself in the head. Who cares about any of these teams spouting black lives bullshit? They don’t seem to realise but i know a lot of people pissed off with it, life long football supporters who just have stopped watching. Kids no longer looking at football because they know they’re not racist nor are they responsible for the sins of the father. When the wheel stops all these clowns on the BLM and the forced masks etc train are gonna suffer. The day some illiterate man child football player thinks his opinion is worth me listening too will never come, just like listening to kids tell you all about it will be a long time coming. I hope people are beginning to see that you are in this on your own, you have to look out for yourself and there is no such thing as society. The clowns forcing you to be part of their bullshit just because other clowns voted in their election is the real problem. I don’t need no ones help for anything, every. I can’t imagine the fear in other peoples minds who they realise how they are tied to this crap because they’ve lived their life as giant babies sucking the tit of government.
..whilst Gary Lineker is free to say what he wants, with no fear of the BBC sacking him..
Interesting new info from the US on Fauci stitching up HCQ research.
Sooner or later there will be a class action so beloved by US lawyers.
https://principia-scientific.com/top-yale-epidemiologist-deaths-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-americans-preventable-with-hcq/
We can only hope.
I usually ignore her ranting and special interest pleading on behalf of big business, but for once, I agree with Dame Carolyn:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8667861/CBI-boss-Carolyn-Fairbairn-demands-Boris-Johnson-leads-UK-firms-workplace.html
and the government will make masks in the office mandatory along with “Ministers are in talks about workplace testing for coronavirus in order to give staff more confidence to return.” thus ensuring that it doesn’t happen.
If they really want to build confidence then they need to get rid of all the stupid rules.
It’s beginning to look like schools are the hill on which the (I use the term loosely) ‘Government’ is going to stand. If the vast majority don’t open, then it’s tantamount to them admitting they can’t govern any longer. Be interesting to see where we go from there. Conceding masks before they have to makes it more black & white. Go back, no more excuses. Little point in making other plans for the future until this is settled. It’s a rod they’ve made for their own back. Labour are nowhere and shit scared they may have to back the unions and lose even more support. Not a place I’d want to make a last stand, but I’ve seen worse.
Oh, I don’t know… letting public schools crumble seems like the sort of thing that might have some hidden benefits:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/woke-teachers-vs-parents-matthew-r-kay/
When you say ‘public’ …..
You’re obviously American lol!
I meant Ryan of course.
No – but my zip code is 89109
Lose more support from whom, the middle class?
The teachers will do what teachers do, moan and whine and then get on with it especially as oily Starmer isn’t going to come out and support the unions. Plus, an increasing number of people can see the emperor hasn’t got any clothes on…
Would that be… Grange Hill? But yes, agreed. It could be “Zammo!” for them as a result of this.
Tucker Carlson on fire a couple of days ago….
Watch the segment When do we get our country back? [starts at about 13:45]
I few extracts…
I think we are starting to see where this scamdemic is headed now.
Oh, let them go full throttle down that road! The backlash will be refreshing.
Tucker is good and gets even better as the going gets even tougher. Must say however that he doesn’t look or sound at all well. Looks to me like he has had the virus, and a fairly bad bout of it.
I believe he has been under a lot of stress. His address was made public so that protestors could intimidate his family, also his lead scriptwriter was forced to resign. He is a rare voice of sanity in the US media, which is truly dreadful.
Indeed – could be that. The Left recognise no rules of battle. The bigger the enemy the less they care for ethics. They attacked Trump’s youngest son for bei.ng autistic. They called for Trump’s assassination. They called Trump’s wife a whore. They called Bill Clinton’s female accusers liars and fantasists. They called Biden’s female accuser a liar.
People need to recognise how the Left, how the BBC , how all the liars operate.
Probably stress. I’m sure he has received death threats. The usual stuff. Charlie Chaplin did when he returned to the U.S. to receive an honorary Oscar.
Tedros the Executioner. I told you already, Global Public Health is a virus that needs vaccinating, not us.
Bit depressed tonight. Son off on holiday with his dad next week so all alone and then he’ll be off back to boarding school soon afterwards so still all alone. Stuck working from home with office not yet open. Can’t exactly socialise when even sensible friends appear to be taking this nonsense seriously. Scared this will never end. Feel like a coward for not doing enough, speaking out enough etc. because scared of consequences at work, with friends etc. Oh well – there’s the cats and their conversation is probably of the same quality as that of most people.
There is certainly wisdom in the natural life force of animals which we can benefit from.
You should invite a friend out for a drink or bite to eat. You may find one of your friend’s are a bit more relaxed than you think. A lot of people not sure how to behave, so pretending to be more concerned and worried than they are. An invite to the old normal (bar / cafe) may be quite appealing.
Thanks – I will try that!
I was very surprised on a trip back to my home village that everyone was extremely relaxed about the panic. I had expected it to be bed wetter central but it was the exact opposite.
Tell your boss the company keeping you away from your contracted place of work MAY be affecting your wellbeing. You are seeking advice, and will get back to him. Ball in their court.
Thanks! I actually think he would be sympathetic!
We all feel helpless. I, too, don’t feel like I’m doing enough but I don’t know exactly what to do. I agree that checking with friends is a good idea — lots of people are loosening up and if you can find one friend to come over or meet up with it would be a real boost, even if it’s outdoors and “distanced.” Even my craziest friend will see people outdoors (though her restrictions are too much for me personally). And often people will meet up under certain conditions, and then in the moment they let it drop and act “normally.” I’ve got a dog and he’s great to have around during all of this! Thankfully hubby is on the same page (though he has little tolerance for talking about it). I hope you are able to find someone to socialize with while you’re alone. Good luck!
Thank you
Better conversation most likely.
They certainly know to keep quiet when they don’t know what they are talking about.
They don’t read newspapers or watch Sky, ITV or the BBC.
It will end.
Don’t feed it by sinking into gloom.
Stroke the cats, it’s therapeutic.
Contact your friends. You might be surprised at their response. I thought mine would turn against me for even suggesting a coffee; however, they’ve all been enthusiastic and relieved. A lot of people are appearing to go along with things and hiding their true feelings for fear of disapproval.
Go out with your friends but don’t engage with their feardemic religion jibber jabber. But enjoy watching them contradict their ‘beliefs’ by acting normally as a group of friends, and laugh inwardly. Many people enjoy the covid fuss, to them it makes a boring existance a little more interesting.
ooops, the final sentence could be misinterpreted – I was refering to the bedwetters, specifically my mates other half and her friends in the school gate gang
This is so true, as many survivors of wars, going from some jobless situation and depression said they had a great time in the war, something happened.
Hang in there Jenny, you might be on your own but you are most definitely not alone. Best Wishes, Arnie.
Jenny, I was just chatting with my neighbour, as we got the bins in. We have ‘local restrictions’ here (North West). We were stood on the pavement at the boundary of his drive. I moved my foot three inches to the left onto his drive and said, “Look, I’m breaking the law now”.
That is how stupid it all is. That’s how stupid *they* are.
I flew into Greece today with five passenger locator forms, only three of which were checked. And by checked, I mean someone looked at my phone while I showed them a QR code which wasn’t scanned.
Fucking doddle going abroad, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
My OH had no problems going to and returning from Lithuania.
Just read a piece in the FT titled Inside Westminster’s coronavirus blame game.
It’s written by a lockdown enthusiast and it’s all we locked down too late stuff.
https://www.ft.com/content/aa53173b-eb39-4055-b112-0001c1f6de1b
“But the list of silent omissions was longer: the fiasco over testing, the shortage of protective equipment, the tide of death surging through care homes and — crucially — the failure to lock down the country more quickly.”
Globalist media outlet spews globalist propaganda- shock horror! Lol
Has anyone else noticed that the findings of Professor Simon Wood, relating to the peak of infections occurring a week before lockdown, seem to have disappeared into the ether? There were suggestions at the time the peak might have been even earlier. Whatever, the idea a virgin test and trace system could have tracked 1300 separate genomes of the virus is fanciful in the extreme.
I’m not sure if anyone reads the FT comments but I’ve noticed something strange – rather than becoming more sceptical as this farce has dragged in, they’ve become more bed-wetting. Back in April, many more comments railed against the lockdown, how it was doing more harm than good and how it was destroying the economy (which is linked to people’s wellbeing), but now everyone on the FT comment boards is supporting masks and against kids going back to school and just generally swallowing the BS fear narrative. Sad really
Vernon Coleman is on form today:
Here is Vernon
Love Vernon. Am not a crazy conspiracy theorist but I am coming around to the view that there is no other explanation for the way governments of the world have reacted to a non-deadly virus and have managed to brainwash the majority of the global population to believe it is going to kill them if we don’t all follow the stupid, nonsensical rules.
That masked sheep logo would be funny to wear at Saturday’s rally. A few slits for the eyes, two holes for the nostrils and ? for the mouth.
Have you ever visited Johannesburg? Essentially, when the city got too bad the entire business district moved 20 miles up the road to Santon & left Joburg to the criminals, drug dealers & their long suffering clients. It doesn’t take much imagination to see it happening to our cities within a year.
A lesson indeed…maybe in London you could see a ring of such centres develop around the M25 so when people decide they need occasional face to face contact they travel round the M25. Meanwhile the centre rots.
PS It’s always struck me how the globalist elite are quite happy with the South African set up: horrendously corrupt government spouting PC bollox, impoverished and oppressed masses, islands of unbelievable luxury existing behind razor wire and endless opportunities for virtue signalling about climate change, wildlife, water and race equality.
What a disappointment South Africa is. Still a lot of lingering Apartheid going on.
Rosebank to Sandton Sun?
Have you been to our inner cities recently.its happening already.The difference with our city centres is that they are deserted,no one lives there and without the commuters and tourists they are basically dead.
Its been like that ages ago – Kensington & Chelsea is perhaps the fastest growing ghost borough and even where Keir Starmer is MP for is pretty much a ghost constituency – who the heck votes there given I barely see anyone who lives there.
Owned by rich Arabs,Chinese,Russians etc.Thats the reason labour won the seat before.no one to vote in one of the richest real estate areas in the world.That process has been on going as the old money English cash in on property prices and move away.Whats happening in the west end and city of London is a new thing totally related to Covid.
It’s already well underway in NYC, being hollowed out by what they choose to call ‘middle-class flight’.
I think we all deserve a gold star, a big slap on the back and a personal commendation from Her Maj for not giving up, not digging a large hole and not climbing in, while asking some passer-by to finish off the job.
Instead we persevere and resist. We resist mentally and we resist practically. We are the few but – phew!-we don’t give up, do we?
Not alway easy, as much as we want to be solid I think we all have days where it feels endless.
True – which is why efficient armies remove their troops from the front-line from time to time. Beer/garden/footie time is essential.
Her Majesty has been very quiet recently. Any idea where she is currently residing? Buckingham Palace is being decommissioned the last I heard.
Wherever she is, she’ll be on the homeopathy, same as her mother who lived to 101. Only now she’s not allowed to mention it. Same with Prince Charles – much more circumspect about such things these days . Homeopathy is hugely disapproved of by the globalist vax-maniac billionaires.
Yes you are right and despite the sceptics re: Homeopathy I can confirm that it has helped many with the symptoms of this virus.It has an excellent track record for viral illnesses. But of course any mention is shouted down, censored, as it does make make any money for Big Pharma.
She was in Windsor, but I believe she is now at Balmoral and seeing her family in small groups for picnics – I can’t remember where I read that though…
I read too that they were laying off staff at Buckingham Palace, but whether temporarily or permanently I do not know. If permanently, you have to wonder what she knows that we do not…
No.
It isn’t us who are in a hole and still digging.It’s our Fascust oppressors.
I’m in favour if us filling in the hole and stamping it well down.
Never
We don’t, I also have to say this website has been an island of calm. Some days the endless dross being piped out my the obedient masses has really got on top of me.
Not giving up any time soon OKUK, see you in the concentration camps. I’ll have a yellow star on my prison uniform so that you can recognise me…
Still not giving up though.
Perhaps Mr. Toad is a toadie?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toadie
I haven’t seen this level of enthusiasm for masks since Mississippi in the 1950s. The Ku Klux Karen.
I am a teacher in Colorado. We started back with a hybrid model last week I have so many stories I could tell, but I leave you with this: tomorrow we are conducting a socially distanced fire drill. That’s right—everyone masked and six feet apart.
Monica, years ago I would have laughed myself breathless watching a Monty Python sketch of that… Nowadays I assume the same mouth position of the inflatable sex dolls and just say ‘oh’…
https://elifesciences.org/articles/58699?utm_source=content_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=fulltext&utm_campaign=26-August-20-elife-alert
Project fear is furious over CDC recommendation that asymptomatic persons should not be tested. Even though Fauci himself stated that never in the history of epidemic respiratory diseases has there been an epidemic driven by asymptomatic spread. But they need cases(and longterm illness) to keep it going. Eric Topol, one of the Arch Fear Monger,uses the above article describing Diamond Princess as an example of asymptomatic spread by modelling. When you hear modelling better to run away.
Fauci was in charge of the research at the Wuhan laboratory that quite possibly ‘accidentally’ released the Covid19 virus. Just a coincidence? Not on your nelly!
One wonders why the CDC have come out with this recommendation just now?
Don’t know if it was verified that the identity of the Teacher was on the money but she ticked all the same boxes that no doubts most of us on here have done already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CfgPlniu04
Where’s the man with the megaphone?
Steve “Paid by Soros” Nutjob?
Could be. At least Piggy would be exempt by virtue of his ass-mar.
I certainly am, not that my ass-mar bothers me unduly.
From what UCL, was reported as mandating yesterday, students with ass-maar will have to wear gob nappies anyway and if they choke to desth, tough. Maybe Piggy was lucky to be tossed over a cliff while he was still a human being.
So it’s ok for the grown ups to be mask exempt but not the children?
‘I’d like to help you son but you’re too young to vote’.
Piggy got killed when a boulder fell on his head, pushed by the ‘scared of the imaginary monster’ gang.
Indeed. Less, “Stop Brexit”, more “Stop Lockdown!”
I think the sceptics have won…the exact point at which a war turns is not always apparent but I feel things have turned. Yes the Lockdownists can still win lots of battles but every battle drains them of strength and they gain very little ground. You have to compare the Lockdownists’ promises to what they have achieved . They told the people lockdowns and masks were the best, the only way for you to protect your family and to protect your country . People now see countries like NZ and Spain tied down while countries like Sweden and Brazil are doing well. Meanwhile as millions of people lose their jobs and are told why, the 2+2 = 4 sum will become apparent to them and also to their families and their wider circle of acquaintances.
It does, at least, seem like “the end of the beginning” at the very least. The Covid Swerve seems all but a thing of the past. The twitterati, even maybe elements of the HYS mob seem to be sounding a skeptical note. We can but hope.
Yes the ship is slowly turning.
Previously when having a Covid conversation with a relative stranger I would be met with a lot of butwhataboutery.
Not so much these days, I get more “do you think that’s true?” in a hopeful tone of voice before I outline another reason why covid/lockdown is all rubbish.
I can’t remember the last time anybody told me I am wrong (about covid/lockdown) and nobody has ever called me a liar.
I’ve experienced a very similar shift myself, I think pride has a lot to do with it. People don’t want to admit they’ve been duped.
I hope you’re right, but the vat of stupidity often seems bottomless.
Winter is coming. Someone will cough. There may be some snot.
There will be at least one more spasm, and it could be spun out till Spring. Indeed, from the start of lockdown, it seemed like Spring 2021 would be the first real pinch point for them, so long as measures and panic could be spun out through the Summer – as has been achieved.
I have been in no doubt that when the imaginary 2nd wave failed to materialize in may that they would wait for the appearance of normal winter flu and label it Second Wave.
Agenda 21 is a thrilling read (If you’re a sadistic psychopath…). Coming to all of us in 2021. Deep breath and over the top & at ’em!
I know what you’re saying but if the MSM all but avoid reporting any positive facts and figures for those two countries or on the contrary just pretned they’re basket cases, which they do seem to have been doing, then not enough people will know to make a difference.
It started to turn a bit ago, as sceptical comments began appearing in comments sections. Now we’re getting sceptical articles, and pro-lockdowners are falling into a minority among the comments.
This site, attracting more than a thousand comments each day. Used to take two or even three days for that to happen. It’s now approaching 1500 comments a day.
Pro-lockdown comments on social media are growing ever more hysterical and defensive, and are clearly hysterical and defensive. Just look at how extreme they are becoming, and more importantly, being seen to be extreme.
Protests springing up everywhere. Could be better and larger, but these things take time.
Tide is well and truly turning.
Hurricane Laura is about to come ashore at the Lousiana / Texas border as a Cat4 or 5 with a 15 foot storm surge. There is a mandatory evacuation of the area but guess what? The shelters are turning people away when 25% full because of social distancing and the 50 seat evacuation buses are only allowing 15 people on board……..
For real??? So drowning has a 100% death rate and Covid has a 99+% survival rate. Seems like a pretty easy calculation to me. Public health at its finest!
Yep, Evacuation flights too.
https://weather.com/news/news/2020-08-26-hurricane-laura-texas-louisiana-evacuations-preparations
The politicians don’t even have the courage to drop the Covid crap in the face of a Cat4/5 hurricane. Good thing all those hotel rooms are empty because there are no tourists, but too bad the buses were running mostly empty due to Covid. It would be rational to be far more afraid of drowning, but rationality has left the building.
If you have the choice between breaking social distancing rules to get on a bus, or obeying social distancing rules to stay behind and drown, we all know what would happen.
I’ve seen the human survival instinct in action. It’s terrifying and wondrous in equal measure.
“There are no vegetarians in famine…” (although these days, since we are now “living in a Black Mirror episode”, who knows?)
Irony is no more.
There is a serious issue and we can, or should, learn from this.
Every hurricane season the US media go overboard and dramatise the forecast hurricane events spreading fear amongst their people. The politicians react and have in the past imposed evacuation orders in areas way larger than needed and many people learned that there was actually no need to evacuate.. (Actually there have always been collateral deaths from the evacuations themselves). The result is that there are now many people staying home, in harms way, because the media and politicians have cried wolf too many times.
Same with the overboard reaction to this virus. If a really bad virus which can kill many millions comes along now, it will be impossible to convince people how bad it really is.
And not just in the US. My brother witnessed a traffic accident a few days ago in SW Wales. Stopped, got Out of his car and checked the passengers- a middle aged man who seemed shocked and dazed and possibly with a head injury But walking , his mother ( in her eighties) more traumatised but equally able to get out of the car. My brother phoned for an ambulance and guess what the first question was ‘Does anyone have CoVid?’ My brother was so surprised he found it difficult not to quip’ They’ve got limbs hanging off but let me get out my home testing kit and test them first’ . In reality of course he replied’ How the hell should I know ? ..but you’ve got people here in their eighties having suffered a nasty accident , so please just send an ambulance’. Unbelievable .. yet sadly now it is.
I suppose the health bureaucracy minions are used to obeying stupid orders just because, but you’d think some of them would have started to rebel on the most egregious covid nonsense by now, and just “overlook” them.
Public Health = brutality.
That’s their new normal.
How we mocked Saudi Arabia for not allowing first responders to rescue girls from a burning school because the girls would have been immodestly dressed. Several of them died and others severely injured.
What Cat 4/5 hurricane:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-86.60,19.93,578/loc=-91.928,28.863
World wind map showing wind speeds of maybe 140 km/hr which is not that high for a hurricane.
Even wind speeds up to 160 km/hr makes it a low 2.
Listening to the Stanley Cup Playoffs on NBC in the U.S. Some young fellow (black?) was shot to death by police somewhere in the U.S.A. so some of the major sports leagues, Baseball and Basketball decided to cancel their games in solidarity. Not hockey, though. Then NBC did a big Virtue Signalling spiel before their mandatory commercial break. There are 330 million people in the U.S.A. They didn’t give any details about the incident, they just acted like it was another reason to take a knee and kiss BlackLivesMatter’s ass. And vote for Biden in November, most likely.
Yeah… Guy is a rapist who fights with the police, breaks free, reaches into his car and gets shot. And these players feel the need to “stand in solidarity” just because he’s black? It’s as racist as anything they’re complaining of. The NBA should crumble, and good riddance.
“Guy is a rapist“
Saw the story when the usual thugs started rioting and thought I’d wait to see what kind of “victim” was involved, assuming it was likely as usual he wouldn’t urn out to be one of society’s finest.
Has more info come out now? Initial story said he was “accused of sexual assault and domestic violence”, iirc, but in modern reality that’s a long, long way from even being guilty of those things, let alone of actual rape.
In the George Floyd case we had an actual conviction for armed robbery, and a history of violent thuggery and drug abuse. He was obviously a lowlife thug. Anything like that in this case?
Bloody terrifying. As soon as they trotted out the face masks and pretended we need to wear them to “protect others” I knew we weren’t too far off from being forced to take the vaccine to “protect others.” That’s why I have no patience for the “it’s just a piece of cloth” crowd — because it’s not just a piece of cloth, it’s the first step toward medical tyranny. I’m sure people thought I was being hyperbolic early on, but I could see where this was all headed.
I posted earlier about Typhoid Mary, 1900s NY, asymptomatic typhoid carrier who died after 26 years compulsory isolation.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-students-shouldn-t-be-made-to-wear-face-masks
I saw this article shared on Arsebook by the Spectator and some of the comments were pretty astonishing and unfortunately rather pro-mask. One went on about how we have ‘left a sheltered life since the war’ and that kids must wear masks to ‘prevent a second wave’ until ‘a vaccine is available’.
Indeed, we have lived a sheltered life since the war – all those brave people who fought to the death for the freedoms we enjoyed up to 23rd March 2020 must be spinning in their graves at how bloody soft everyone has become, so soft that they cower hysterically at a virus with a 99.9% survival rate and demand draconian measures to ‘stop’ it!!
And you need to be already at deaths door to squeeze into the remaining 0.01% that don’t survive.
Is it true that Bill Gates declared himself a health expert during an interview? If he did he should, at the very least, be arrested for fraud. Dilettantes should not be given free rein in matters of medicine or health.
Sounds a bit too similar to big pharma’s line against alternative methods, Richard.
(Gates himself, of course, should be in prison).
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/26/breaking-germany-bans-coronavirus-protest/
i hope the germans continue with their protest – they certainly seemed to have a lot of support at the last one. Very worrying to allow other protests eg BLM but not this as it challenges the official narrative. And the media branding any protest as far-right etc is so wrong as we know on this website which has folks from all political directions which is welcomed.
“Far-right” is a convenient label they also like to aim at service veterans who react to certain events, like BLM vandalism.
Just another smear term. But society has moved so far to the left in my lifetime that perfectly reasonable attitudes that were mainstream in my youth are now classed as “far right” and other such smear terms, in order to keep them demonised and excluded from the “acceptable” political range.
Is anyone surprised – the ‘counter-protests’ against the planned freedom demonstration will be allowed to take place:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article214387480/Gegenproteste-gegen-Anti-Corona-Demos-in-Berlin-duerfen-stattfinden.html
(In German)
Fancy that!
Gigantic violation if human rights.
There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.
The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again.
WRITTEN BY
Dr John Lee
Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist.
Reasonably ask?
Screen it from the rooftops!
7am BBC News referring to year on year declining uptake of the flu vaccine and what might happen to the NHS in the event of
“a huge upsurge in cases of Coronovirus cases”.
Still spreading the fear.
Has the flu jab been increasing in efficacy year on year?
I have no idea, clearly trust in it has not,
My point was the use of the word ‘huge’ which is emotive rather than neutral.
They picked the wrong one in 2017. Plus, people also know that if you have the vaccine you can still catch flu. And if you have the vaccine, you can develop flu from that too.
Published in today’s Spectator – so the comment is bang up to date.
(ed. This should have been on reply to Aletheas opening post below, most voted today, dunno how it landed here.)
Welcome aboard, I don’t share your politics either but that doesn’t matter.
I have a Labour MP who is so highly thought of locally that I have never voted against him (in part because the Tories never bother to tell me who their candidate is).
However he has been conspicuous by his absence from the media since March and I find that disappointing. As here covid/lockdown should be beyond party politics.
Does anybody else know a little play by Jules Romains, called Knock? It’s about a pseudo-doctor who easily persuades every single person in his practice area that they are ill, and so establishes a totalitarian medical dystopia.
It was intended as a general warning against totalitarianism, but now it’s looking like the specific and literal truth.
Could be a sell out, if there are any theatres left.
I keep my circle small. This is a calculated choice. There are no lockdownistas in my circle. There are some, however, on the periphery. They’ve been kept on the outside and I’ll continue to keep them there. I have zero tolerance for people who can’t or won’t think for themselves.
Yes, this is entirely self-serving on my part. Sue me.
What this has meant is that I haven’t had any contact with people who’ve enjoyed the lockdown or who feel it should continue.
That changed yesterday.
I had occasion to have a brief conversation with someone who has absolutely loved lockdown.
They’d taken voluntary redundancy in late January (offered a very nice settlement, thank you very much) and promptly gone on a few long, sunny holidays. On their return, lockdown was announced.
In their own words, they haven’t had the financial need to find work, and even though they half-heartedly conceded that they feel guilty enjoying lockdown now that people have lost their jobs, they’ve thoroughly enjoyed it. They got the chance to enjoy the garden. And they were thrilled when golf opened up.
This person was tanned and relaxed. They were now casually applying for other jobs, but they weren’t too fussed what happened with them.
Think of your average stressed, hard-working-but-now-furloughed British working class person. This lockdownista was the polar opposite.
Their position would have been “fine” in April or May. But as we approach September and the last month of furlough, I believe people with their mindset will rapidly become a minority.
Sounds like your chap owes his good fortune to events before lockdown.
There are plenty of others who have done very nicely out of lockdowns implementation.
As a family we have not been hit financially but I still know with every fibre in my body that this shite show is bloody wrong.
We’ve also been very fortunate and this hasn’t affected us one bit, but I’m furious with this shit show of a non-government because I know it’s affecting so many who have put their everything into small businesses or who have found themselves made redundant.
Is this one person or multiple people?
One person.
Your acquaintance needs to be careful. If the shitshow continues, people like him will become easy targets for the dispossessed and hungry.
Thankfully not an acquaintance, just a randomer I encountered.
Agree. As people especially the lockdownistas find that they have been hit in the pocket or stomach or both . Not to mention find themselves or someone they know (family or friend) in a pickle because of delayed medical treatments, suicide, victim of abuse or addiction.
The above mentioned will realise they’ve been had and hopefully do a U turn.
I don’t think anyone who has not already made such a U turn is capable of doing so. Most have been programmed to believe all our problems are the result of not locking down earlier and harder and those people who dont ware masks and follow the fascists orders to the letter.
My HERO is DR SIMONE GOLD – and has been since the Washington White Coat Presentation on the steps of the Capitol.
Americas Frontline Doctors White Paper should be required reading:
https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/references/#white-paper
and so should this:
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
The derivatives of the oil production became big pharma. those oil philanthropists bequeathed to universities sometimes in exchange for positions within universities. Yes homeopathic natural medicine was activitely pushed out of learning.
See How and Why Big Oil Conquered the World. Corbett Report.
And remember, right into the late 1930s (at least) they were sterilising poor (in more than one sense) young women in America – “Land of the Free”
Still under occupation are we? Oh good, maybe tomorrow i’ll wanna settle down but till tomorrow i’ll just keep moving on.
Loved the Littlest Hobo. Could be a sensible life plan now.
I’m still that guy but my wheels have been going round the same old streets for too long now. I’ve went out my mind with the repetition. My own fault, had kids, gotta do the right thing by them. The time is close though and i’ll be back on the road again. Gonna ride my bike into the sun and find me some wilderness to lose myself in
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/26/coronavirus-victims-will-paid-go-self-isolation/#comment
“People on low incomes who test positive for Covid-19 will be paid £132 for their 10-day isolation period, while people who have come into contact with them will receive £182 for 14 days of isolation. The scheme will, for now, only apply to people living in areas with local lockdown restrictions”.
WTAF! Bribe them and keep them docile. I probably would have thought this was reasonable and fair back in March/April before we knew we had a casedemic but now it can only be cynical manipulation. Is there any hope that the return of parliament and the 1922 committee might put the brakes on the lunacy?
They can stick their 13 quid a day where the sun don’t shine. I’ll do as I want
£13.20 per day for being rendered unable to work by a lockdown we all know to be ludicrous is hardly generous. Wouldn’t even keep me in fags not to mention life’s little extras.
£15.70 for 30 grams of Drum, now that’s a crime
I usually go to central or eastern Europe (where they don`t spend euros – as I refuse to) and stock up for a year, thus making the short break almost free. Maybe not this year though. Annoyingly.
I don’t think the sum of money is relevant. What concerns me is that it’s another measure signalling ongoing government commitment to maintaining their fantasy. And it is effective if the masses are moaning that they too want free money, or that the payments should be more generous and extended to everyone, rather than screaming until they are hoarse that we demand our freedoms back.
Shut The Pubs Burnham says “We need to bankrupt the governmnent, so that my lot can get a turn”.
Well, he didn’t say that exactly, it was more like “Not enough”, but you get the picture.
A Lyric, To Be Inserted In All School Poetry Books
By Order.
Face nappies are crappy
Face nappies don’t work.
If you wear a face nappy
It proves you’re a jerk.
If you wear a face nappy
You’re an effing disgrace.
What is it that’s made you
So ashamed of your face?
By Annie in Form 2B.
In Detention for Sedition
..sedention
There’s a voice that keeps on calling me
Down the road, that’s where I’ll always be.
Every stop I make, I make a new friend,
Can’t stay for long, just turn around I’m gone again
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I’ll just keep moving on.
Down this road that never seems to end,
Where new adventure lies just around the bend.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that’s hobo style.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that’s hobo style
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.
There’s a world that’s waiting to unfold,
A brand new tale no-one has ever told.
We’ve journeyed far but you know it wont be long;
We’re almost there, we’ve paid our fare with a hobo song.
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll find what I call home,
Until tomorrow, you know I’m free to roam.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, we’ll travel light, that’s hobo style.
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I’ll just keep moving on.
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.
Terry Bush
The Littlest Hobo….that takes me way back in time, mate.
Bro in my mind i’m still there. A man like me needs to be on my own but you know shit happens when you live your life drifting down river like a stick. Sometimes you rock up on the shore and it’s alright for a while but like Tumbleweed i’m gonna blow from town to town. My face is familiar in every bar and everyone knows my name but now it’s time to move along. Being lockdown and loaded ain’t no fun but i know just over the horizon i can find what i’m looking for. Though unlike Bono who still hasn’t found what he’s looking for i don’t know what i’m looking for, the day i find it will be a sad day indeed.
Always a highlight of my school holidays. Along with climbing trees, building dens and coming home with various minor injuries that were badges of honour. Never been more grateful for my childhood than now. Poor kids
Loved it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8oeiVDcx4
A face nappy may harm you
No one knows the risk
Of putting them on children
It really makes me sick
So unmask yourselves ye children
Be proud to show your skin
Rise up with us the skeptics
And throw them in the bin
Howie 1B
Brilliant!
People masking their babies really scares me. Not just for all the developmental stuff they’re missing out on but have none of these parents heard about SIDS (formerly known as cot death?) I really don’t think it’s a good idea to do anything that might hinder a baby’s breathing/movement.
Morning all. I found it ironic last night that while watching a recorded program from History Channel, many of the adverts for other programs were things such as Ancient Aliens, Finding Bigfoot, Roswell and I have seen ones also for Illuminati etc. Are these not all conspiracy theories? A flick through the documentary channels has many such programs daily.
No offence Offlands but it should be called the Janet and John* History Channel For People With 10 Minute Attention Span.
*apologies for Binaryism.
Yep, that’s how the History Channel have rolled for the last few years now.
More than a few years, from my recollection. At least a decade, maybe more.
No offence taken. We were watching for my daughter who is doing a project on WWII and it was on the recommended viewing list.
I keep on reading how Alexander “Boris” Johnson admires Churchill. One wonders what Churchill would make of Johnson, the man who makes Ted Heath appear constant and true when it comes to policy.
Though Churchill aimed his words at Ramsay MacDonald, I think I have found the answer.
“I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnam’s Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit which I most desired to see was the one described as the Boneless Wonder. My parents judged that that spectacle would be too revolting and demoralising for my youthful eyes, and I have waited fifty years to see the Boneless Wonder, who now sits on the Treasury Bench.”
Strongly suspect the hero-worship would not run both ways.
The only Churchill related quote he’s worthy of
“Never go to sea on a bogey “
Heath is a fair comparison. Although it was always clear Heath was a wet blanket. Alexander had real fire in those months leading up to getting his election and his original CCP Virus strategy was sensible. Now he is Heath re-incarnated, scared of Union confrontations, backs down every time the media apply some heat, even McDonnell might have been better, yes it is that bad.
Long Covid no doubt.
In the months leading up to the election, he was playing the clown, talking in slogans and avoiding awkward questions.
Now he just hides whenever possible.
It would appear that agents of the CCP have infiltered the English Department of Education; and stolen the architectural plans for of all the schools in England
I’m told by someone who knows (no names no pack drill) that this occurred in late December
The virus was briefed before it left China that it could only operate in school corridors and not in classrooms
Our intelligence services have cracked the Chinese codes and know exactly what they are up to
The Dictators decision doesn’t appear that mad after all, does it?
(Tune of the day suggestion ‘ The party’s over’ Shirley Bassey. Only to be sung after the 1st of October)
Not only that, it was briefed about menstruation *and* purchase ordering!
Charities say many schools and colleges are not aware they can order free period products through a government scheme, amid concerns Covid-19 has left more pupils struggling to access and afford tampons and pads.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53894172
…amid concerns lockdown and the resulting mass unemployment has left more pupils struggling to access and afford tampons and pads.
Yeah this slight of hand with language is pissing me off. Everything is ‘due to the pandemic’ or ‘due to the coronavirus’ – when everyone (surely!) knows the consequences are due to the _response_ to the virus. They have no shame.
”It would appear that agents of the CCP have infiltered the English Department of Education’‘
the communists took control of our education, at all levels, years ago
it was the sleepers what dun it
Are you sure its not the intelligence services that have been infiltrated? Not sure they would ever have had a need to infiltrate the department of education.
Check out the John Anderson channel. He was a politician here in Aus. He recently interviewed Dr Jay Battacharya and interviewed Peter Hitchens a few months ago. And he’s a bit of a silver fox, sotto voce.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnYSEGViOnb7k8ezUaWUww
This is what is really strange. Getting back to normal, going to work, the economy, earning a living, public sport and entertainment, seeing the doctor or the dentist, all seem to have become alien things to the political class (the media more than the politicians).
When we argue that people have no income, businesses are bust, savings are gone, people are not being treated for serious diseases, children are not being educated, there is just a giant collective shrug.
Because they don’t give a FF
This has occurred to me recently, too. It seems like it’s not even that people are worried about DEADLY VIRUS anymore. The attitude seems to be, well it’s like this because this is the way it is. No point in worrying about it – better just get on with it.
Even when “getting on with it” means mass unemployment, homeless, possible food shortages, little or no medical care….
Yes, but that’s just the way it is, you see. Shrug.
I dont think the majority realise their medical care is being withdrawn. Apparently thats just a conspiracy theory. People just cant comprehend that the heros would do that to them particularly after so much worship.
I wish …
Not sure what you mean? I’m not being upbeat and optimistic “everyone’s moving on and things are getting back to normal”. I’m saying that no one even seems to remember what normal looks like. It’s almost like the surgical removal of absolutely every convenience, of everything that gave joy, of all fun has gone completely unnoticed. It feels like everyone around me has resigned themselves to a new, grey, drone-like drudgery, where literally every activity takes a little bit more effort and is much less rewarding. They walk around with their dead eyes and their resigned expressions and they’ve barely even registered it’s happened to them.
Why are people not demanding to live in a world where it isn’t a struggle to find a reason to get out of bed in the morning?
Habits embed themselves within a very short time frame.
And all people, including sceptics, are easily manipulated by messaging from various media.
Yes, you can rationalise it. God knows I’m familiar with how we got here. That’s not my point. The world out there is now _miserable_. Everything – quite literally everything – that you could possibly do to take your mind off the sheer, unadulterated misery of it, now comes with its own little helping of added misery. And everyone seems to be just fine with that.
Remember when you were young, you’d shine like the sun.
Now there’s that look in your eye, like black holes in the sky.
that made me sing ……………
Preparing them for the plantation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdXibwvuSpI
I’m so tired of being trapped in this nightmare.
The Waterboys know how to say it.
Great song Biker.
Not heard it before so checked out the lyrics. I can’t make out if it is about giving in or struggling on. Very deep anyway.
You need to lift your spirits. Watch this.
“I say all pleasantries are over, I say all pleasantries are past.
“My enemies, you pimps and thieves, prepare to meet your nemesis at last.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji8HWadY7ME
True, there is a mutant stalking the land, but it ain’t an algorithm
Burn like a slave
Churn like a cog
We are caged in simulations
Algorithms evolve
Push us aside and render us obsolete
This means war
With your creator
Reload
Crash out
Bellamy/Muse
Easy solution. If they think it is not safe to go to work, put them on furlough.
Sack them would be my preferred choice, as indeed it was in March when too many started to self isolate because they had a cough!
And they’ll be doing it again in November when seasonal coughs and colds are circulating, bigged up as the second wave of course.
Sack the lily-livered lot of them.
Or their toddler had a cough.
Put them on £13 per day!
My journey with Boris (who even lies about his name): Amusement, hope, sorry he got the bug and hope he pulls through, disappointment, puzzlement, contempt, utter contempt, hatred, thoughts of …
Like coke eyes, Gideon. Or Sir Kneel a lot Starmer. If they feel the need to hide your name or awarded honours then they are more worried about polls than policies.
Spot on!
Same here , when he “recovered “ from this virus on Easter Sunday that’s when I first thought he’s taking the pee.
teachers that require guidance are maybe not the right types to be teaching
There wouldn’t be many teachers left then!?!?
whats worse, a shit teacher or no teacher?
They have been given guidance – it just doesn’t fit their narrative.
So they all still live at home then? Makes sense- who would get them dressed and tie their shoelaces for them otherwise?
This new article describes aerosol transmission which undoubtedly occurs. But the last quotation gives you the direction of the whole question. Very strange that a scientific article, very thorough about aerosol transmission, should end with jumping into very widespread public health guidance. This blurring of the message is very suspect. It will be a philosophical question between those who accept the inevitability of C-19 spread and we must live with it and the others which will use all measures to stop it. The interesting thing is what the Chinese really believe. According to the latest picture from Wuhan water festival it seems to be one rue for China and the other for the world. But this article will be in the arsenal for Project Fear for a long time.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020319942?via%3Dihub
“A fluid dynamics simulation suggests that during toilet flushing, massive upward transport of virus aerosol particles was observed, with 40–60% of particles rising above the toilet seat, leading to large-scale virus spread indoors”
“Since there is no single measure that provides complete protection, facial mask should be used in conjunction with hand hygiene (e.g. hand washing, using alcohol hand rub or hand sanitizer) when going to public settings or taking public transportations, coupled with social and physical distancing. Additionally, the government should guide society to broadcast the relevant prevention and control knowledges via media tools (e.g. TV, broadcasts, newspapers, messages, social media such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, display screens, billboards, and brochures). The recognition of aerosol spread and asymptomatic transmission may have influenced the decision in the United States to recommend universal face mask use for the general public”
its like a huge juggernaut that cannot be stopped. Each day bring more depressing repressive diktats, manipulation, and destruction of what makes life enjoyable and pleasant.
Interesting that they also suggest that if you catch it from aerosols (i.e. just breathing infected air in a stuffy room) you’re more likely to get a lower respiratory tract infection (likely to be much more serious). But if you catch some droplets, more like to be upper respiratory tract (basically a cold).
Droplets… those things that masks stop, you mean?
Leaving you prey to the (allegedly more dangerous) aerosols that sneak in round the edges. A bunch of aerosols indeed!
However did homo sapiens survive so long as a species? Everywhere is soooo dangerous!
Nature used to weed out the weak, building a strong gene pool and ensuring food sources weren’t overstretched in hard times.
Nowadays we’re horrified when that happens.
‘A fluid dynamics simulation suggests …’ the dreaded Fecal Plume again that TY warned against. La plume de ma tante est dans the jardin de mon oncle. Le petit bébé est un peu malade. Shut the lid!
A simulation is a model, yes ?
Le singe est dans l’arbre …
Singapore got it’s Nosocomial Infection rate down to statistical zero in March by assuming the primary transfer vector was contact or oral-fecal, same as Norovirus or Polio.
They went absolutely rabid on proper handwashing, hand sanitisers are fairly pointless as well apparently, so lots of extra sinks and handwashing for everyone between each and every encounter.
It worked and we are still dealing with loons who think masks are the answer over here.
They only use masks in Singapores hospitals for operations and high aerosol activities such as intubation, otherwise they are a distraction.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747
Ironic isn’t it, given that handwashing was the very first (and probably only) sensible anti-covid advice we were given. Face nappies are certainly the opposite.
We’ve known about loos and aerosols for decades. That’s why ideally the lid should be down when you flush.
We don’t have regular loo-aerosol epidemics, why should this be any different?
Matt le Tissier is trending on Twitter. I wonder why?
Sky have sacked him, and Thompson, and Charlie Nicholas
Thank god I cancelled my Sky subscription
Will be replaced by woke morons who know fuck all about football
one a female and one a ex BAME player is the odds on bet
Paddy Power are giving odds on Dawn Butler
Bring back grandstand. At least we saw some other sport along with the goal updates rather than watching others watching TV.
Was he sacked because there’s no work for him or his ratings have dropped, or because of his sceptical stance? Did they give a reason. He’s hard core.
Almost certainly a bunch of reasons, but you’d have to be pretty dense in the current social climate not to recognise that a major one, if not the main one, will be to give them an opportunity to make their pundit team less “horribly white” and male.
Ian Wright, as usual wants to have his cake and eat it – positive discrimination and systematic social engineering in favour of political correctness, but active suppression of any resulting questioning of the credentials of those benefiting from such systematic promotion as “racist”.
“”Can somebody answer me this: what does Micah Richards, Alex Scott, Sol Campbell, Clinton Morrison or any other black pundit have to do with Sky’s decision to get rid of these guys? All because what, three middle-aged white guys have got the sack?
“What have they done? What have these guys done? Because a black person or woman might get the opportunity to do this job, might get the chance to do this show… why are they upset?“
“unbrushed teeth mouths”
Bloke is barking, thinks Alex Scott who wouldn’t get in an average pub side should take over
Cancel your subscription. Do it now
I cancelled my Sky subscription due to their support for BLM where they wouldn’t condemn their anti-semitism views.
Sky are intolerant of any views that don’t meet their own work views. Look at how they sack Botham and Gower too for not being remainers.
I find Alex Scott is one of the best pundits on there, I would rather hear her opinions that a lot of the others who are so biased due to their previous allegiances, or are just downright boring like Redknapp.
The show only worked because of the atmosphere between the ex players and the host.It is after all only ex players watching a tv.And I think you will find the majority of the viewers will be white muddle aged men watching their football bets progress.
As for Ian Wright I used to respect him but BLM has given his inner victim a chance to come out.
What is wrong with all these millionaire footballers who continue to play the victim/race card.
I didn’t know that. If true, that is sad. Ian Wright is a very patriotic Englishman and I don’t believe he would ever support a narrative that is divisive or the defacing of Winston Churchill’s statue for example. Like the vast (silent) majority of BAME people in this country.
Hoe on earth did he end up a bankrupt?
That’s unfair on Ian Wright. He’s a top bloke and I agree with him. It’s got nothing to do with those people why Sky have got rid of them. That is the BLM narrative that wants to turn it all into race and skin colour which I hate. Alex Scott is good, as is Micah Richards. Sol Campbell can be a bit odd. Morrison is rubbish. That is IT. They are commentators/pundits and should be judged on their merits, no other reason.
The problem is that positive discrimination makes it by definition impossible to claim that the beneficiaries have been “judged on their merits”.
The problem is that if you are going to be colour blind, then you have to accept that it will take time for members of minority groups to gain acceptance and to climb up their professions to the top. That isn’t good enough for the zealots, who want to create what they see as “the right balance” now, by fiat, and their attitude is inherently racist, not colour blind.
Wright is like most people – imperfect. He has good aspects and bad ones. The nasty and intemperate personal abuse he dishes out to people with different opinions from him does not reflect anything good in him.
How can discrimination be positive
From their perspective, obviously.
It gets tiresome using quotation marks all the time when dealing with the political correctness zealots, to highlight all their twisting abuses of language
Sol Campbell a bit odd is an understatement ….well at least from my point of view Grrrrr
ive always thought that lineker and wright are both shite . As mentioned below, there is nothing wrong with the sky line up and as a package they are entertaining. So why get rid of them unless there is some ulterior motive or some box ticking happening. I dont want to see any pundits appointed for any criteria other than they are good at being pundits. Dont care about colour. Kamara is brilliant .. Chris Powell is brilliant . Jermaine Jenas is shite
taking off the BLM badge signed his death warrant
He pointed out BLM were Marxists early into Sky backing them. He’s also been quite outspoken about Covid too, ie it’s nonsense.
I think Thompson and Nicholas were used as cover.
Can’t wait to see the woke moron’s who are in their new lineup!
Needless to say I won’t be watching it anymore if i’m right in my assumption.
Thommo is boss. Took Big Ears to his local in Kirkby.
(A feat later emulated by Stevie G in Huyton.).
Because Sky has sacked him!
Normal-going down to the sea before breakfast and watching the intrepid early morning swimmers braving the water. The virus doesn’t bother them. They are more likely to catch something nasty from swimming in the English Channel.
Abnormal-the rules about mask wearing in hotels. Yes, in corridors when there is no-one else there, no, the moment you step into the bar or dining room which are busy.
Abnormal-No changing rooms or showers in use before and after a swim so, as it is also open to spa members , they can come after a day at work, without showering, before entering the pool or jacuzzi.
Abnormal-No housekeeping service. Having to ask for clean towels, tea and coffee and TOILET ROLLS at reception. This latter takes me back to primary school days when they didn’t put toilet rolls in the toilets and you had to ask the teacher for toilet paper. Humiliating!
Abnormal-one way systems around the dining room for the (served) buffet breakfast.
This involves going up and down a set of steps. I asked about disabled people “Oh they go back the normal way”.
Happy days (not)
£13-a-day quarantine payment will persuade more to self-isolate, says Matt Hancock (DT live)
What planet is this man on??
Uranus?
Spawned on Spengo!
Just the headline no small print, no terms and conditions yet
What does ‘low pay’ mean
Could it mean that all teachers, GP’s, civil servants etc who refuse to return to work. or who are stopped from going to work will be put on 13 quid a day?
‘Council ‘A’ declares a lockdown. Tells it’s workers that in order to save themselves they must stay at home, not to worry though we will send you a cheque for 13 quid a day. A clever way to slash it’s budget and sack it’s workforce. The ‘new furlough’
It’s those already in receipt of income support.
Once it’s bedded in could be changed to anyone on under 100k at the drop of a hat
Yep. That’s what I fear
I can think of 650 that should get it then.
BUT it is only for the very low paid, so I suppose some will see it as free money!
To be eligible for the scheme, a person must show proof of employment or self-employment, be unable to work from home, and be receiving universal credit or working tax credit.
Matt is really enjoying this, he just doesn’t want it to end….
They want to extend it to TWO YEARS in September.
We force the unemployed to stop looking for work and “compensate” them with a mere £13.
At minimum wage that should be £61.04.
Which means Hancock thinks the minimum wage should be £1.85 per hour.
Perhaps we should ask him to live on that.
I see the oft-expressed hope that the majority will wake up to the fact that the virus has gone, as a parallel to the hope that the majority will wake up to the fact that nowt is random, all is planned, and that yes, we are being globally reset.
Planet Gates
Totally out of touch with the cost of living!
The fault, dear Brutus is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings.
First Van Morrison now Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull. No surprise he hasn’t received a response from the Culture secretary http://jethrotull.com/how-to-get-some-of-us-back-to-work/?fbclid=IwAR0jI6p53CZQ0z_v3c991e4A6-egsPC80ku6_1dUJ1C8bt1JhrYzj6J5t_Y
He’s advocating masking everyone up with medical grade masks
Thanks for saving my time, Julian.
Oh dear!
It never ceases to amuse me how often mask-fanatics latch on to N95 masks. They seem blissfully unaware that many N95 masks (especially designed for prolonged use) have exhale valves built into them and provide absolutely zero protection to others at all.
The level of ignorance is truly astounding.
in reverence to Ian Anderson i might wear a cod piece
History of PCR testing at Dartmouth.
The whooping cough scare that wasn’t… thanks to the PCR test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCUJ6yVWdis
Excellent find. Worth sharing with people who don’t understand the issues with the PCR and how it can create a chain of events on the assumption that an epidemic is in play
Check out as much of Pam Popper’s podcasts as possible. She’s been excellent throughout all this nonsense.
I think she’s also organising some sort of grassroots legal challenge in the US against the various lockdown measures there (I don’t have the details to hand – but you can find them on her website).
It really is pathetic.
No mention anymore in UK (it seems) of all the countries that went back before summer without masks (some of those too now also require masks, despite their own lived experience of schools being fine without!!)
No mention of how supermarket workers were mostly not wearing masks right up til 23rd July, without issue.
No mention how most of us were not up to 23rd July, and infections and deaths etc fell like a stone.
Incredible power of propaganda coupled with widespread laziness and stupidity.
Or that 64 million people have eaten out on the tax payer and hospitalisations and deaths have disappeared….
All over the bbc this morning is the news that the government want to increase the uptake of flu vaccinations this winter.
Surely this is the smoking gun we need to trap them with?
“Dear Boris, why do I need a flu vaccine, I’m wearing a mask that protects me from CV19 so I can’t possibly catch the flu can I?”
Even Alistair Campbell couldn’t spin his way out of that one let alone the covid clowns inhabiting westminster now.
PS I have had vaccinations all my life including for the flu and I regard the anti-vax mindset as positively cranky, although I will not be getting my flu jab this winter and would never get an ill prepared and possibly dangerous covid one at any time.
I have never had flu, although I am sure I have been exposed to it many times. Not knowingly having flu suggests to me I have a functioning ‘fit for purpose’ ammune system. I shall therefor give up my flu jab for others and, instead, bravely rely on a reasonably healthy diet, some excercise and i think i shall start taking vit C, vit D and zinc suplements this winter, my new ‘precautionary principle’ without side effects or unintended consequences…
Some years it is close to useless; some years it does reduce spread somewhat.
It also is most ineffective in the elderly and immune compromised as it relays on an immune response and these groups are less able to make such a response. My partner a nurse of 35 years will not have the flu vaccination and if he were forced to because of his health job he says he will quit the job.
If you had had flu you would know it. I had flu 20 years ago, I couldn’t get out of bed for three weeks and it took me nine months to fully recover.
I believe that is right, which is why the 2018 flu killed so many as it wasn’t one of the strains included in the vaccine.
Oh, they’ll just say, no, masks aren’t perfect, but they reduce the spread. Easy – if one is a two-faced, hypocritical, lying barsteward!
I seen that. One doctor they had on claimed that you can’t get the flu from the vaccine.
Is that just nonsense? Aren’t they injecting you with the influenza virus?
It’s more than likely the side effects of what the vaccine contains to preserve it.
Don’t forget that the vaccine by itself is probably not that effective without adjuvants such as aluminium salts.
These medically trained people normally say that if after the flu vaccine you get flu type side effects (exactly the same as having a flu) that it is still worthwhile getting it.
I was an NHS GP for 35 years and never once had the influenza vaccine nor did I ever have symptoms which would have led me to to believe I had the disease. I suppose I must have have been infected by various influenza viruses in my time as I was in contact with many thousands of patients. So younger people with healthy immune systems don’t need influenza vaccines. Unfortunately the very people who need protection from influenza are the elderly and those with co-morbidities who have immunosenescence (our immune systems are at their peak when we are teenagers and decline thereafter). These people do not produce a decent immune response to vaccines. It will unfortunately be the same with a Covid vaccine if ever a safe one is produced.
My understanding is that taking a flu vaccine increases your risk of getting other respiratory illnesses. Doesn’t seem like a good tradeoff to me. Got a flu vaccine once decades ago and it made me sick. I’ve never had another one and almost never get the flu.
Yes and they should improve their immune systems. Some of the polypharmacy drug cocktails prescribed to them could also make them more ‘vulnerable’.
Interesting because this morning, the news was that there wouldn’t be enough vaccine, so those over 50 would only be offered it if there were enough shots left.
The article seems to have disappeared in the last two hours ……..
That’s cool, OB. I regard the pro-vaxxers as positively naive.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HzWis8DdHL3H/
It would be helpful if a brief summary was included.
Earlier in lockdown a study came out stating that those who had the flu vaccine had worse outcomes when contracting Covid-19 (sorry can’t find the link)
The best strategy is for people to improve their immune systems, starting by optimising they vitamin D levels.
You have to wonder if they have put some nasties in the this year’s flu vaccine, knowing people won’t take the ‘real’ CV19 vaccine voluntarily..
For when you can find no excuse to go without a mask.
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marvelous – where can I get one of them from? It will be ideal for my trip to Portugal next week.
DuckDuckGo will find you one from China.
Probably how covid19 started…
Oh yum lobster!
Sky ‘news’ has a reporter standing outside in a Hurricane in Luisiana in torential rain with debris flying dangerously through the air… and he has no mask on!!!!! How irresponsible of Sky!! (Interestingly, the hurricane has not been blamed on Trump or the police, well not yet…)
but it will be linked to global warming !
it bloody freezing here
Quite a few discussions about the tide turning to sceptic positions and I can agree in many ways. However, one story I’ll share is speaking with my paramedic sister in law last night.
She wears the paramedic badge very close to her heart and believes it gives her a truthful perspective on the Covid-19 drama. And hearing her stories is great. One last night was that the ambulance crews were specifically identified to be the death shift each day. So if a Covid-19 call came in, only specific crews would be sent to be exposed. Not official of course, her speculation. It was obvious as one crew would have 5 CV-19 calls, others none.
Anyway, she is a tough nut to crack. The way that she defended the management of the care homes was astounding. She said blanket DNRs were right, and these people would have likely died anyway. We needed to keep the hospitals free for the wave. The fact that capacity was never reached is irrelevant she said. How were we to know. I was pretty angry but had to keep my calm. She keeps bringing up Trump as if anyone anti lockdown and critical of the lockdown zealots is in that camp. I mentioned to her that the US has actually turned a corner and well behind the UK in terms of deaths per million. She had no answer. Lack of knowledge and care is the blocker. They need to sort it out.
Anyway she left it with a bet that a second wave was on the way and she hoped I was right. So I will bide my time. It will soon be undeniable
The tide IS turning. I am noticing more and more of my friendship group turning sceptical. More articles turning up on MSM, unrest stirring amongst MP’s, more ridicule going around social media. The narrative is crashing on the rocks of truth and evidence. ‘This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning..’
I hope you’re right.
Article in the Telegraph today about the head of the EU equivalent of CDC admitting that they no longer expect a ‘second wave’. Coming up with lots of non evidenced based support of lockdown and ‘suppression measures’ but admits that they wouldn’t do it again. Expect to see a lot more of this sort of stuff in the next few weeks. They are retreating and looking for cover. They know what’s coming…
I am very angry with Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty. They could have spoken out, they were both for the Sweden way and I am sure they both still believe it was the right approach but have kept quiet. They are guilty.
I’ve kept wondering what hold “someone” has over them, Whitty in particular.
The most obvious possibility is that, once the Government decided to go for lockdown, they aligned their financial interests and this meant they now had a reason to stick to the view. It’s rather like the way that Caroline Lucas is obsessed with wind power: once it was Green Party policy she got herself on the boards of various companies involved with wind turbines and is now incapable of being impartial or realistic because it would hit her in the pocket.
That politicians, academics, media people, senior government operatives, and others with significant power, are controlled by blackmail/threats/bribes has long been in the public domain.
Pledges to the WHO? Previous game-planning what to do in a pandemic?? Handy viral outbreak, possibly high mortality rate?: roll out the game plan, don’t check whether the data fits the facts.
When the facts become too obvious to miss? Wasn’t me, Guv. I was just an advisor…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49rAlzU7WlY
BUT, but, but poor old Chris only got $40 million or so from Bill Gates and now he’s on the board of the WHO to ensure that our ‘government of occupation’ (apologies UK Column) will deliver on its promise.
Agree but both in the pockets of our so-called saviour, Gates
I hope so but do worry that next step is the army? I haven’t seen anything sceptical from an army point of view.
They just do as they’re told!
Well, let’s tell them what to do.
They HAVE to be sceptic! they can’t be all “ooh hang on….make sure we are social distancing in the back of the tank/cockpit of the helicopter/ putting on our masks before charging at the COVID ridden enemy”
I suppose we have to keep getting it out there about the next to none admissions and deaths. Police officer friend said he didn’t know, the managers are telling them admissions and deaths are rising exponentially again especially in the local lockdown areas. He felt they were giving misinformation so as to prevent people from stopping abiding to the measures and thinking it is all over. He is quite clear that he won’t be issuing any fines.
But the admissions and deaths are available for all to see, if they can be arsed. It’s obvious, even from the offocial numbers, that the covid party’s over.
I know, but if you are getting your main news from the BBC well you are not getting informed very well.
Point your friend at the CEBM. They seem to be very reliable on facts and figures.
How long can they keep this going.hardly any deaths now.’Cases’ not leading to hospitalisations.The emperor has no clothes why can no one see it.
Only the little boy ever can see it. That’s why the story is so potent. There are, and always have been, ten thousand stupid, coeardly arselickers for every person with integrity and courage – or simply eyes to see.
They want to keep it going until they have extended it for another TWO YEARS in September.
We need a massive campaign to deluge MPs with the news that we are not going to stand for it. We have only a couple of weeks to wake people up.
If the Media doesn’t report on it, it never actually happened
I think it must depend on the personality of the person. A few stories for you all:
1) Yesterday at a northern hospital my senior nurse partner lost it with a couple of consultants telling them they must speak up about what is happening in the hospitals. They agreed but whether they will we will see.
2) At the same hospital a patient was transferred from another hospital for major surgery. Patient had a negative test at original hospital but policy is to test all inpatients on arrival. Patient tested positive. Another test the following day was negative. As there is one positive test patient must be isolated for 10 days before treatment can start. So whole side ward is occupied for all this time, and no treatment can start. This is a very sick person, if they die from their illnesses whilst treatment is delayed they go down as a with Covid death.
3) My police officer friend had a spare half hour whilst on patrols in his squad car. His role today is police presence in the northern lockdown. He called for coffee. Came straight in, gave me a big hug. Told me they are told to keep their distance at work but as soon as managers are not present they hug and sit together.
Thanks Wendy. Number 2) is shocking even for me. More and more medics seem to be speaking up though. Hopefully ours will soon. That could be the key. It has already started elsewhere, that Spanish Doctor, the Professor on TF1 in France, the 1,000 German and Spanish Drs mobilising against the Covid19 terror narrative. When it starts here (as it must), that will be when the whole edifice starts to crumble. The MSM won’t be able to just ignore them either..
Part of the problem for the hospitals is the Covid restrictions. They have to socially distance inpatients which means a side ward which usually holds 4 beds can only have 2 beds. So that has halved the capacity of whole hospitals. Until that is scrapped they can’t get up to capacity.
Yes – I can confirm that, having recently observed the reduction of beds in an assessment ward.
The antisocial-distancing rules are holding back the entire country.
I am not sure how they are going to get out of this as part of the problem has been spread to the community, especially care homes, from hospitals.
That would be my conclusion.
Yes it does indeed.
Can we make you Health Secretary please, Stefarm.
Heh. Back in the 70s/80s there a graffiti in 6′ high letters on the side of Reading Jail, ‘Cannibalise Legalis’.
Now that we are all meant to be following the Prof Ferguson school of science what this indicates is that you need to do more tests and then take an average.
Yes, but remember to discard any spurious results first, you know, like those so-called ‘negative’ ones.
Just like referenda… keep going until you get the ‘right’ result
Whenever anyone brings up Trump as an example of anti lockdown I point out he stopped all transatlantic flights between Europe and US- Not that it made any difference
Indeed. They are simply not informed. Granted, its a fast moving beast is the CV drama, but they could do with opening their mind to the possibility that things are not what they seem
As an aside, her 23 year old daughter is scared out of her mind and suffers a high level of anxiety from all this. It’s not right. The truth shall set you free is what I would say to her
In a way having USA is a live experiment in itself with some states locking down and some refusing and this all in one country
And they all called him a racist (he’d stopped flights from China as well, didn’t he?) And encouraged everyone to go and hug someone from China…..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs
Italian residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in coronavirus fight
(February)
https://nj1015.com/deadly-virtue-signaling-caused-covid-19-to-kill-italians-opinion/
VIRTUE-SIGNALING CAUSED COVID-19 TO KILL ITALIANS (OPINION)
(March)
https://www.scmp.com/video/scmp-originals/3064680/chinese-diaspora-fights-coronavirus-discrimination-us
Chinese diaspora fights coronavirus discrimination in the US
(March)
Just to add that paramedics in the North have said they had a very very quiet time during the main lockdown when we were all inside. Some had days when they said they did nothing at all.
My hospital area of 200,000 has had 20 Deaths with Covid-19. There have been no admissions to ICU since early June. Probably 10 admissions at all since then with a positive test.
A local Facebook warrior in the city with 10000 followers was pushing so much crap at the start saying 4,000 would die with CV-19 alone.
The fear was mighty and people clamoured around him. No apology forthcoming as yet. No forgiveness shall be given. These people are the real virus that has been uncovered
Give him some well deserved stick.
Funnily enough, passed an ambulance (proper van type), parked up well out of the way, yesterday, in Accrington. Looked to be only one guy in it, no activity at houses around it. Do they do that? I thought it was the fast response cars that wait ‘on hold’.
Very dangerous, oxygen deprivation can make them dizzy.
‘Public transport drivers are exempt from wearing face coverings under Department for Transport guidance as it can affect their ability to drive.’
Have they got the alarms going? seems like every 20 mins. a siren is blaring hereabouts.
Unsurprising given the size of the teachers.
Why is there a problem with marking homework? They need to don a pair of rubber gloves if they are worried. Sounds like another excuse to not get on with what they are paid to do (btw I am a teacher).
I couldn’t imagine anything worse than the kids or teachers having to wear masks.
Rubber gloves would spread infection thoughout the books. They could try handwashing!
I recently overheard some teenagers as I passed them in the park. One was saying “… but if they don’t mark your work, how can you improve?”
Quite!
‘The BBC really is like W1A’: Former news boss compares top of the corporation to the comedy show and says too many big decisions are made by ‘white liberals’
‘The only thing I’d add really is I think diversity is very broad though. In a sense, it’s also about diversity of thought. It’s about Left and Right, it’s about liberal and conservative. And if you think about the missing voices last year … they also included people in the red wall, people who voted for Brexit, people who were from working class areas in the north of England … and pretty much every major decision in television is still taken in London. And part of that diversity is getting the sense of a whole UK with this amazing canopy of people in it and getting newsrooms to be more representative of everybody in the UK, rather than what it used to be really which was white liberals in London.’
This guy does at least grasp the real problem, although he doesn’t understand that this is inherent to being a state licensed and protected broadcaster, and the only solution to the problem of the BBC is to end its existence as that (preferably by selling it off to recoup at least a trivial part of what it has cost in monetary terms). There’s no way to recoup the harm it has done to this country’s culture, politics and society over the decades of its existence, but we are where we are.
But he still has this fundamentally racist, “woke”, lobbyist attitude that ethnic minorities must be assumed to have distinct interests and opinions by virtue of their ethnic identity or race. That’s the inherent contradiction in the supposedly antiracist but “positive” discriminatory, “woke” agenda.
Meanwhile the general surrender of the British establishment to poisonous woke nonsense continues apace:
Royal Ascot considers axing Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from traditional singalong amid fears of a backlash over “racism”
The BBC in particular have been strongly pro-lockdown and bought into the coronapanic narrative – much more so, it seems to me, than the papers and other TV channels and news sites. They don’t have the excuse of having to sell papers or clicks. I don’t buy the line that they are government stooges – I think a lot of them hate the PM and the Conservatives and would much prefer the Lib Dems and/or Labour.
So why is the BBC intent on keeping this going? Are they victims of their own groupthink and herd mentality? Or do they have an agenda? If so, what is it? How does the coronapanic fit in with their wider aims and views?
The BBC – guilty as charged over Corona – is what it is because of government power and influence, and is a useful diversion from the main fact of gross political failure.
Beyond that, it is necessary to separate out the fact of appalling news and current affairs coverage – part of the general terrible level of the narrow perspective of the MSM – from the wider functioning of the BBC.
In that latter role, it does provide the wider range of choice that the mish-mash of commercial interests doesn’t and can’t, as the latter chases after the lowest common denominator of simple audience figures. Just tune a DAB radio and see where choice comes from.
Personally I would rather have my liberty and live in a country full of people not suffering from media induced mental health issues then a ‘wide range of choice’ on the TV and radio.
The BBC needs to be shut down and all those who have been shouting fire in the proverbial packed theatre for months on end need to face justice.
Yes they do because if you shout fire in a packed theatre people die in the panic and that is what has happened in the UK
I used to think they provided quality, and think you could still just about argue that case, though a lot of the competition isn’t great, but I find it hard to get past what seems to me pervasive and fairly blatant attempts at pushing a “progressive” agenda not just in news and current affairs but across the board. But I’m right-wing, I suppose.
I tend to think we’d be better off without them, and that it’s wrong to have a publicly funded broadcaster of such power that is so obviously not impartial.
I don’t know what they’re agenda is but it’s plain to see that the quality of their “journalism” has sunk to an all time low (with a few exceptions). From click-bait headlines to nigh on propaganda pieces. If you look at their new website these days the headlines are rarely about what’s happened and more about how people think about things. Hence lots of articles along the lines of “people calling for”, “criticism grows”, “concerns about”, etc. I think most of their investigative journalism doesn’t go beyond scrolling through Twitter these days.
Sheer laziness, lack of talent and professionalism may well be part of it
I stopped even visiting the BBC site (other than the occasional article linked from elsewhere) a few months ago as apart from their blatant scaremongering and misrepresentation around Covid, so many of their articles are either blatantly biased or inane clickbait worthy of the Daily Mail (if more PC than the latter!)
At the start of the crisis it was the first source I checked daily, in the naively mistaken assumption it was the most factual, unbiased, neutral news source available! Let’s say my opinion of the BBC has changed a bit since then.
The BBC have something of a mental dichotomy in that they think they have to chase ratings, but have no idea who their viewers are. So many of their anchors live on Twitter that they genuinely believe that the small proportion of people who do likewise (and the even smaller proportion who are vocal on the platform) represent the views of the country. This is why they were so taken off-guard by Brexit (Twitter was largely remain) and why they didn’t see the election result coming (Twitter leans toward Labour). It appears in this instance that Twitter tends toward the panicked (some of the polls about public opinion have been conducted purely on the platform) and those for whom lockdown is a free holiday. As to why Twitter leans that way…
this is why BBC is continually striving to expand the youth audience. They believe some youth listen and they want more which is why they throw so much at it and try to follow what the “youth” think.
In reality the young are not interested in scheduled output and ignore the BBC. .The true BBC audience is the older conservative (small c) public which the BBC do not want and so ignore . With marketing like they have, had they been a commercial company they would have gone under years ago
They should read daily mail comments pages then. I had very good sight of Brexit and Tory landslide from that.
I think there are two basic agendas at play in the BBC over the coronapanic. There’s the “facing a crisis”, state behavioural manipulation organ, which I think they have bought into because the cause is one they share anyway. And then there’s the basic hysteria over the coronapanic which they themselves share for the same reasons other leftist groups have shared it – the underlying collectivism and “lives ahead of money” nonsense that seems to have been used to whip the mainstream left (Guardian, trade unions, Labour and LibDem parties, BBC, etc) into line behind the coronapanic and against any rational arguments trying to appeal to sanity in the face of a not very dangerous disease.
There’s another agenda too. If they prolong this then the economy becomes weaker and weaker, therefore as this continues to happen the chances of us rejoining the EU And Single Market increases as this may be seen as the only way to recover the economy.
More than likely, they only take opposing sides to achieve more power. Now with the majority they have and the plandemic, why not fall back to their previous position and say “it was the only thing we could do to save the country and the NHS.”
I’ve thought about this before and there is definitely an element of what I call an artificial community spirit. The idea being that you are suffering for the greater communal good or at the least supporting it. There’s the hint of the “wartime spirit” about it. The problem is that while it gives the impression of being a force for communal good it is actually a very divisive and intolerant approach as it vilifies or ridicules anyone that isn’t part of the group cause or criticises it. It also of course self-perpetuates it’s belief systems so alternative viewpoints are ignored or shut down and intellectual debate stifled.
I think this shows with the BBC and other MSM orgs, education, civil service, politicians, NHS, public services, charities, businesses, etc have now been taken over by the Fabian Society. A completely peaceful takeover which they always hoped to achieve, we have just allowed it to happen.
Media Funding
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
If the BBC gets de-funded could it be a perfect opportunity for ‘fingers in the pie’ billionaires to jump in and fund – a near perfect propoganda machine?
Rhetorical?
Ha, yes it is currently a publically funded propoganda machine, but what an excellent, ready made, tool for the world dommination billionaires, if these things exist…
(I am not sticking up for the BBC, just pointing out that there are always consequences)
The only thing better then buying a near perfect propaganda machine to push your narrative is not buying the near perfect propaganda machine and still have it pushing you narrative.
mmm… i don’t have the solution, but it is a trusted brand that could be useful if it was for sale – is there another way, reforming it rather than junking it, I don’t know…
If you control the media – you control
I did think Sky News (UK) was reasonably reliable, once upon a time
I remember some BBC news program where Joe Public could write in and complain about the news coverage – every time some smarmy twat from production would arogantly tell why Joe public was wrong and he was right.
Solution – get rid of the smarmy twat, punching him on the way out – simples…
Maybe, but a large part of the reason the BBC has been such a “near perfect propaganda machine” over the past century, and so profoundly damaging as such culminating in its deplorable role in the coronapanic, has been that it has worn a fake glamour of supposed neutrality and honesty, as the national broadcaster.
Take that away, and eventually it will settle down to being just another media company.
Fair dinkum, what is to be sung instead? Oh sorry, tradition is a thing of the past. As the small number of reprobate Aussies on a number of Cunard cruises we liked nothing more than taking part in these resounding choruses. Parents were 10£ poms, OF COURSE I’M GOING TO SING, I’m proud of my heritage.
Today, hairdressing appointment, known hairdresser for years. Only one in salon – take your mask off Sandra, it will make you sick. She did. Yeah!
Thank you all, I look forward to every evening and reading your posts. Sets me up for another day of battle!
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing#united-kingdom
Who does more testing per thousand people South Korea or UK? You will be surprised to hear that UK is doing seven times more testing than South Korea. And the Public Heath Icons Blair, Hunt, Hague wants us to imitate South Korea to eradicate C-19.
South Korea has today increasing cases but they have not done widescale testing in the population. This is the same in Taiwan, another country to imitate according to the test fanatics. I think their testing is really around known cases and clusters and not at all in the population in general like Japan.
That is very practical in the way not knowing if the virus is spread in the population in general. There is no way this transmissible virus is not spreading in their population but obviously not that big concern if not corresponding to increase hospitalizations and death. Impossible with these low testing rates that they are testing all URI in the whole country with PCR.
They have probably chosen a Chinese way of suppressing the pandemic, reduced testing but bluffing us that they are super testing.
Yes. A moment’s thought is enough to conclude that widespread testing and ‘track and trace’ is no solution to anything.
Ahh no not again. Don’t they know you cant eradicate a virus?
Brazilian city Manaus — where dead bodies were piled up in refrigerated trucks — may have reached herd immunity with no lockdown, scientists say
An interesting mish-mash of a report in the DM. Overall the impression is of complete chaos amongst the supposed experts and authorities trying to explain this disease. Clearly there is still an editorial push to scaremonger, considering the headline spin nonsense about “dead bodies piled up in refrigerated trucks”.
The basic common sense of herd immunity does seem to be getting some rehabilitation (perforce, because you can ignore reality as long as you like, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality, which in this case have been disastrous policy incompetence and an inability to explain what is going on).
“the supposed experts and authorities trying to explain this disease”
Trying to explain the evidence, which flies in the face of their predictions and narrative. The most obvious explanation – that the predictions were wrong – doesn’t seem to occur to them.
Country X hasn’t had much mortality, or the cases have dropped – it must be because of lockdown, or masks, or testing, etc. Never that the thing is over.
I’ve just been catching up with John Anderson’s conversation with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, cited above.
Forgetting for a moment the detailed issues what strikes me is the simple contrast between Anderson (once Deputy Prime Minister) and most politicians that we have seen fronting up this panicdemic.
Thinking Johnson, think Starmer.
What a contrast! … and how serious it is that we simply do not have many (any?) politicians of real stature.
This isn’t about any particular political stance or amount of agreement. It’s about competence and stature. It also reflects a personal observation of three generations of MP in one particular constituency.
It’s serious, and I think that it does relate to the growth of the ‘career politician’ and the loss of even second-hand touch with really serious times, such as the last war. Political life has become a branch of the PR industry, rather than a serious occupation for serious people.
Yep. What this whole thing has exposed for all to see is that our current political class are ethically and intellectually inadequate.
I blame being part of the EU for the abysmal standard of politicians. We no longer have Leaders in the true sense we have followers who toe the Brussels line, and that’s why at a time when we need strong leadership we have a massive fail! Boris is so weak he still follows what everyone else is doing.
I disagree with a lot of what you say (I
m a bit of a right winger) but your last paragraph does sum it up entirely. I disagreed with most of what Tony Benn ever said but I thoroughly admired his commitment and his eloquence on the subjects he cared about. Him and the late Jimmy Young on radio 2 were a joy to listen to - even to me. Politicians now just dont seem to have that drive, gift and experience.It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
– Samuel Adams
Let’s get on with it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2700-3
Sex differences in immune responses that underlie COVID-19 disease outcomes
” In contrast, female patients mounted significantly more robust T cell activation than male patients during SARS-CoV-2 infection, which was sustained in old age. Importantly, we found that a poor T cell response negatively correlated with patients’ age and was associated with worse disease outcome in male patients, but not in female patients.”
The most bizarre PC comment was this about Nature
(Nature recognizes that sex and gender are neither binary nor fixed.)
The magazine might, but nature herself knows the truth and that is that y chromosome bodies are immunologically less robust.
I really like that.
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Not entirely convinced that accounts for the difference. There are differences that apparently favour female immune robustness during pregnancy (especially), but I would like to see a breakdown by sex for those without other comorbidities. Generally speaking, pneumonias affect more females than males, though this has much to do with there being more females than males at the relevant age groups.
While of course denouncing their obvious transphobia and reinforcement of cisgender heteronormative stereotypes, they did find rather big differences.
I wonder what the reason for this is? Might have something to do with hormones but also a lot of women were already taking vitamin D, usually with calcium, so they don’t get osteoporosis. The mean age of their patients is only about 60. I don’t know what age they start giving these supplements to people.
https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2020/08/nz-should-move-to-similar-approach-to-covid-as-sweden–who-speci.html
NZ should move to similar approach to COVID as Sweden: WHO special envoy Dr David Nabarro suggests
Nabarro is just a shade better than the others. He was to be the Chief of WHO but the Chinese stopped it
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That’s a pretty bold statement. Why wouldn’t it apply to every country?
It’s an interesting interview and the presenter skilfully steers Navarro down this route, though he only concedes that the Swedish approach will become acceptable some time after hell freezes over (when a country has 0 cases effectively). Navarro still seems to think that ‘movrment restrictions’ are the only response to even a small number of community cases if the source is not known. I didn’t take any comfort from his assertions.
I’ve totally given up attempting to make sense of what the WHO are trying to do. One moment they recommend masks for kids and make sinister pronouncements about “not going back to normal”, the next they say something like this!
Do the WHO have a “party line” that members are supposed to go along with, or do individual members have a fair amount of leeway for their own opinions? The latter would explain their seemingly constant U-turns and inconsistency.
They presumably follow their paymasters
There is one simple factor operating, I think. That is the simple act of arse-covering.
As others have pointed out, there is rarely blame attached to extraordinary excess in measures, whereas any rise in deaths will be a subject of blame – whether they are related or not.
The result is that – essentially – epidemiologists are prone to a built-in conformation bias towards hysteria, which may also be bolstered by the simple factor of inflated limelight-seeking.
Is he son to Gerard Nbarro of the handlebar moustsche?
Past Studies Found Pandemics Create Perfect Storm For Controlling Populations & Creating Conformity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQk7GPHzQ0
The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is that it would get in the way of a multi-billion dollar vaccine scam.
The more I read about HCQ (see the realclearpolicy.com article for example) the more “convenient” Trump’s endorsement seems to be.
The campaign to discredit HCQ seems to have started well before his statement, but the latter immediately turned it from innocuous anti-malarial drug, to dangerous quack cure pushed by irresponsible populists, making it politically toxic.
It wouldn’t at all surprise me if someone (surely not Fauci, but maybe one of his associates) recommended it to Trump!
Actually, Tucker Carlson talked about it on his show the day before Trump mentioned it in his press conference.
Have you seen this?
America’s COVID Warning System
We use 5 key indicators to determine risk levels
None of them are deaths….
I did their survey.
Well I suppose it is to be expected now now the definition of pandemic by the WHO does not require any deaths at all.
Indeed.The scary term ‘pandemic’ now just refers to the geographical spread, not the consequence.
The Sun: Mum’s shame as man who ‘knocked out commuter in London station mask row’ revealed as scaffolder dad-o.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12495221/clapham-junction-mask-row-man-revealed/
Is there any chance of us getting behind this guy? It’s plain to me that maskers are out-and-out harassing those that are legally exempt. Why should they be able to get away with it?
This just in from Reverso-World:
“Brave passer by defends innocent employee from harrassment by agressive passenger”
Blimey – I just looked at the comments below this article – a bit different than on the DT! One comment suggests that 15 million have died from COVID.
ffs
Think he is implying that 15 million will die based on the 0.06% fatality rate stated in the comment above. Not sure how he works that out though. Still a fucking idiot regardless.
Probably no idea how to work %ages.
Incredible
Very suspicious when articles making out non-mask wearers are thugs are published – fits the government narrative. There is a very strong element of propaganda, some incidents are undoubtably staged. Social engineering by the media.
just looked at the article which includes a photo of the guy that was hit .. Photo has him pointing at a wear a mask sign .. so that justifies his harassment of non wearers?. He has a weasel face that you would want to slap
unintended consequences!
Just a shout for a recent CEBM update on surveillance of respiratory tract infections in the community :
“What we can say is there are low circulating levels of acute respiratory infections, lower respiratory infections and COVID-19 in the community that require consultations with general practice. The levels of suspected COVID-19 have not reached epidemic consultation levels and are dropping dramatically.”
See: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/
Basically – the incidence of Covid has never reached the level of the accepted definition of ‘epidemic’ within the wider community.
Now – this may partly be due to social distancing (i.e the sort that Sweden adopted voluntarily) in terms of the April/May figures – but , given the above, and the data from hospital admissions, ICU occupancy and deaths in hospital – we mare in a Catch-22 situation, since the constructors of the narrative will be claiming that it is the imposition of restrictions that is keeping the Scary Fairy away – not the natural process of viral decline and growth in immunity.
Decision tree below covers what the narrative will be:
Oh shit! We’re done for now. From The Telegraph coronavirus live [bad news] feed:
Coronavirus particles could spread through plumbing systems
Researchers who discovered coronavirus particles in the bathroom of an unoccupied apartment in Guangzhou, China have suggested that the airborne pathogen may have wafted upwards through drain pipes, echoing of a large SARS outbreak in Hong Kong 17 years ago.
Traces of SARS-CoV-2 were detected in February on the sink, faucet and shower handle of a long-vacant apartment, researchers at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention said in a study published this month in Environment International. The contaminated bathroom was directly above the home of five people confirmed a week earlier to have Covid-19.
The scientists conducted “an on-site tracer simulation experiment” to see whether the virus could be spread through waste pipes via tiny airborne particles that can be created by the force of a toilet flush. They found such particles, called aerosols, in bathrooms 10 and 12 levels above the Covid-19 cases.
Two cases were confirmed on each of those floors in early February, raising concern that SARS-CoV-2-laden particles from stool had drifted into their homes via plumbing.
So the little bugger “wafts upwards through drain pipes”, does it? I wonder how it navigates the u-bends, present in all First World plumbing systems?
Good job then that it’s not a particularly dangerous disease that we would need to worry about more than, say, flu.
Probably carried by the rats that swim round the bends!
And I’m sure we can all believe everything the Chinese say after they have ruined half the worlds economies and seemingly assisted in getting countries locked down via social media. Still amazed no “sellers” have come up with a “notfromchina.com” site for people to buy from after what they have done.
This was known and covered back in March on the Market Ticker.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747
and
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-cov-2-orofecal-transmission/
Beware the Toilet of Doom.
Covid death lurks in the smallest room.
Don’t pull that chain,
Or you’ll never wee again.
Except virtually, on Zoom.
As Basil Brush would say, ‘Boom-boom!”
There are toilets in schools and businesses. Everyone must stay home and dig a longdrop. Not sure what to advise if you live in a flat.
Watch Blackadder the Second for practical advice.
I guess I need to stop drinking toilet water. Oh well…..
Can anybody point me to the article where somebody ran the Swedish data through Ferguson’s model and got a huge number of deaths?
Thanks
Imperial College Model Applied to Sweden Yields Preposterous Results
This was the one I remember.
Thanks
https://attachment.outlook.live.net/owa/MSA%3Amarierendell%40hotmail.com/service.svc/s/GetAttachmentThumbnail?id=AQMkADAwATE2MjAxLTYxYmIALTM5ZDYtMDACLTAwCgBGAAADh0zmUZSXDkWra6QZUD5vjAcAzqj2W1QXJ0O6R8NyfxsIEgAAAgEJAAAAzqj2W1QXJ0O6R8NyfxsIEgADqKKXnAAAAAESABAA2toAdo1glOJJiHyCLkLeYGU%3D&thumbnailType=2&owa=outlook.live.com&scriptVer=2020081704.08&isc=1&X-OWA-CANARY=tms5mp5mFEy48Gb-PHVFe9ByxsCCStgYJhjWQMsKe7qA2p1Be-owVyF5ztwEYX8uWlKY0hUQlCw.&token=eyJhbGciOiJSUzI1NiIsImtpZCI6IjU2MzU4ODUyMzRCOTI1MkRERTAwNTc2NkQ5RDlGMjc2NTY1RjYzRTIiLCJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJ4NXQiOiJWaldJVWpTNUpTM2VBRmRtMmRueWRsWmZZLUkifQ.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.Pu5A7BhCqAYZ44umrRykZzYhQwnFAJArRNbDuB2Na8jRR9CXkAJCSoZYTvEV6cQam8euEkqDu7yuXBYUzEPKnN60B0ibgJcC77B6mwOexkngWggnXgXVd89ha0bj9NKVWp_464MVWGR6WA-8n8WL-ULyjJg3r9DtVfbe3T3h-yyyPi9Wuv2JKMtudqYEtcU6yq03nVkc9HiPYMP58Zrr17rxX8iow7FmP-v7hlT6o7dLFd8JwSiBI4gL-vR2d39HDVA4X5rqMwPE750xL-IyuKOD63i8wZbs5tPmVX4YGjJrtRfXH3p13VCRrZ1npsuRqUP_P-6k4M9AnMBXdwkkcg&animation=true
Not sure where from though
Now that’s what I call a link!!
https://bit.ly/2YFrT5x
That’s easier…
I’ve just typed your link out and it didn’t work, could you check through if anything is didgit missing – many thanks
I batter those who still uphold Ferguson’s model by pointing out that Sweden saved a higher %age of it’s population than the UK by subtracting the actual deaths (according to Worldometers) from the predicted “do-nothing” scenario numbers. Do-nothing Sweden saved 0.88% of its population and lockdown UK 0.70%.
Not sure where from though
Its from something called the blogmire
http://www.theblogmire.com/is-lockdown-essential-comparing-the-swedish-experience-with-the-imperial-college-model-suggests-otherwise/
Thanks!
Certificate of Covid bollocks
https://twitter.com/CharlieEmma85/status/1298754235002228737
Honest young woman!
Her name is Louise Hampton and she is a genuine hero. Not sure she’ll be in post tomorrow………. but she deserves praise and support.
Send here a message of support. I have just done so. Imagine if we all did here, how good that would make her feel. This is her Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/louisewilson83
I’ve just messaged her with my thanks.
I really wish the MSM would pick this up, even an alleged comedy show like HIGNFY would do it.
Here’s a funny thing.
Go to this site:
https://www.gematrix.org/
Type in ‘vaccination’
(However, please scroll down the page – there’s plenty of other words that equate to the same number).
Made me laugh, anyway.
There are those radiant little moments…
Out riding today, passed by a bus empty except for driver (un- muzzled) and one jolly young mum, un-muzzled, with two jolly little girls, all beaming and waving. I beamed and waved back.
Horse was not impressed, said the weather was rotten and there was nothing to smile about, but was out-voted.
Just discovered this on the google search home page, I think it was designed to persuade we sceptics how we are wrong – but it would work just as well for us to explain to the irrationally fearful bewetters we they are infact irrationally fearful.
https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/how-to-win-arguments-actually-change-someones-mind?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
Yes, the author has no self-awareness. Everything he says about those pesky ‘other’ people are true of himself and his intended audience. He just instantly makes the assumption that non-mask wearers are stupid, ignorant and knowingly irresponsible while he and his readers are educated, virtuous and right.
Another excellent piece from Dr. John Lee in the Spectator this week:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-coronavirus-immunity-riddle
It’s behind the paywall and I’m afraid I can’t précis it in just a few sentences, but here are the final two paragrahps:
Definitely well worth reading in full if you have access
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1298842900617474053/photo/1
From the US Univ of Virgina
“And tonight’s winner for higher education insanity goes to Univ. Virginia
each student “must maintain a distance of 6 feet AT ALL TIMES FROM ALL OTHER PEOPLE.”
Or face immediate semester-long suspension “at a minimum.” They said it, not me”
Dear Lord, what on earth are they thinking? Perhaps the person who wrote this was on LSD?
“There will be no warnings – the stakes are too high” – it’s not the blinking plague, for goddness’ sake!!
It’s a plague of stupidity.
Sadly, I think you are absolutely right.
UVA is a highly respected university, or at least it was in the past. It’s located in Charlottesville, which may be one small US city you might recognise because of the white supremacist tiki torch march a while back. It’s a lovely town. It’s also where Thomas Jefferson’s estate, Monticello, is located. I used to visit often when I lived in Washington, D.C.
I looked up the Dean who published the notice and she really does exist. She’s made a laughingstock of the University. I hope students raise a ruckus, but my expectations are really low these days.
She’s a boggart! Ridikulus!
According to DT In the US, a liberal arts college in Michigan came under fire last week after it emerged that students would be required to download a contact tracing app, called Aura, which will track the locations of its almost 1,500 students in real-time.Not only was the app able to track student movements, it would report if a student left the college campus without permission, supposedly increasing the risk they could bring coronavirus onto the site, and revoke their access to buildings and their student ID automatically. If students turned off location tracking on their phones, they could even be suspended.
I look at the local “Live” stories a couple of times a day (Birmingham) via the FB feeds. As you know these are the online remnants of what used to be proud, independent local papers now mainly owned by national media like Reach. They have been fully on board with all the fear porn and corona panic since day 1. Now very noticeable that the comments appearing underneath each story are almost totally sceptical. This has turned round completely in the last couple of weeks. The opprobrium that was dumped on last weeks stories when we were being threatened with a local lockdown was quite refreshing. Todays stories on the €13 a day quarantine bribe and some poor teacher complaining about “stepping into the unknown” on return day are universally sceptical. Beginning to think we may have turned a corner.
Has anyone who contacted their MP had an encouraging response?
3 weeks and still no reply from the 2 I wrote to.
My first was written like a fact finding mission for them. I wanted them to look at the data from NHS England (links provided etc) and justify their silence.
My second is gonna have the latest data printed and attached to the letter lol. Since i’m outta work after tomorrow I may even deliver it in person !
I think there have been a couple of slightly encouraging replies that people have written about but the vast majority have been standard party line stuff
I understand that MPs will only respond to their own constituents, so if you wrote to two of them, at least one won’t respond.
Well, I posted by mail and I omitted my locality on the address for the one who’s no longer my MP in the hope that they’d not bother to double check the postcode. All 3 MP’s for my area have constituents with the same first three characters so they’d have to bother to check.
They have assistants that check. I emailed Desmond Swayne about his comments against masks, and though he is not my MP he answered me, though all he did was thank me for my support.
I personally think it is worth writing to your MP periodically to remind them that people are watching them, and they may lose votes. If they are in a safe set, which most MPs are, they may not care, but if enough people do then they will start to feel uncomfortable.
They also probably don’t suffer overly from a conscience, but some who feel uneasy about what’s happening might take on board some of the comments, even if they don’t acknowledge it.
Ignore, posted in error!
Was that the French professor? If so, it was excellent. It should be compulsory viewing for our idiot politicians.
Yep, thought it was a new one but was the old one.
Some very interesting examples of media propaganda in the Dollar Vigilante episode today – apparently 88% of women find mask wearing men sexier. I am absolutely amazed at the lengths they will go to get the easily fooled to comply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZLB4re5x0k
Tell that to a rape victim who’s been attacked by a masked person.
I would really have to question the morals of the people who come up with these types of articles, they come up with what I would heavily suspect are completely fake made up survey results. I think a lot of people who virtual signal and love their masks now won’t like them in the winter on a dark evening when people are going around hooded and masked – it will be frightening for many people.
Couldn’t agree more Darryl. All the value and security of CCTV and the comfort it brings to lone female travellers – nullified in one fell swoop. None of these measures has been fully thought through. There’s a reason for having proper debate and process before new laws are passed ( including full cost/ benefit analysis). Something those who cared about democratic accountability before but since CoVid seem to have junked it completely, will come to realise with ( hopefully) both regret and hubris. I live in hope…
Not me! I might be a curmudgeonly sceptic, but I think most men-in-masks fall into these categories: right-on pretentious virtue signallers; sinister bank robbers-lite; silly old duffers or mannikins.
If it looks like an article made up to serve an agenda, I heavily suspect that is the case. ‘Covid-19’ is almost entirely now a propaganda war between the authorities and the increasingly sceptical public – even the main stream media admits hospital cases are close to zero (although it doesn’t highlight it).
That’s strange, I find the opposite.
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-whitehall-rot-sets-in/
biggest problem with face masks/coverings: N95 protects one from virus, but lets virus out; the other masks supposedly stop virus getting out, so protecting others, but may let it in.
So in essence everyone should be wearing the same kind to be effective. Government and VIPs wear N95, so they don’t give a damn about everyone else.
Not me. Another new Mark
https://thecritic.co.uk/face-masks-make-you-stupid/
Some refreshingly sensible writers at The Critic.
This article is a boost for the Sceptics.
But rather too many academic references; however, the message is plain and simple: masking amounts to a mass dumbing down, as we know.
Then if you ask them if the parent has type 1 or type 2 diabetes, they have no idea that if you have type 1 diabetes that you are not ‘more vulnerable’ to Covid-19
THURSDAY’S PAGE has just walked in , red faced and wheezing because it was wearing a mask
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/08/27/latest-news-116/#comments