Saint Jacinda Postpones General Election

Remember the outrage on the liberal left last month after Trump raised the possibility of postponing the November election? This was treated as the last word in undemocratic, populist demagoguery. How dare he?!? Well, Jacinda Arden has done precisely that โ postponed the New Zealand General Election from September 19th to October 17th. The BBC has more.
Ms Ardern said on Monday that the new date would allow parties “to plan around the range of circumstances we will be campaigning under”.
Earlier this week, the country’s largest city went back into lockdown.
“This decision gives all parties time over the next nine weeks to campaign and the Electoral Commission enough time to ensure an election can go ahead,” Ms Ardern said, adding that she had “absolutely no intention” of allowing any further delays to the vote.
The opposition National Party has argued the election should be delayed as restrictions on campaigning mean Ms Ardern had an unfair advantage.
Restrictions were imposed on Auckland on Wednesday after a number of new infections were identified in the city.
Nine new coronavirus cases were confirmed on Monday, bringing the number of active cases linked to the Auckland cluster to 58.
The outbreak was initially traced back to members of one family, although Ms Ardern later said that subsequent contact-tracing had found an earlier case involving a shop worker who became sick on July 31st.
A health official who knew the family told the New Zealand Herald that the family were “shell-shocked” and “a little embarrassed that it had happened to them”.
The announcement that new cases had been discovered shocked the country, which had recorded no locally transmitted cases for more than three months.
In normal times, this would be greeted with outrage. The Toothy Tyrant is imprisoning New Zealand citizens in secure facilities if they test positive for the virus, along with every member of their household โ and in addition to this grotesque violation of civil liberties, she has now postponed the General Election and is planning to remain in office after her three-year term has expired.
But as was pointed out in the recent “Postcard From New Zealand“, she’ll almost certainly win in October in a landslide.
France to Make Face Masks Compulsory at Work

Bad news from across the Channel. According to today’s Telegraph, France is considering whether to make face-masks compulsory in shared workplaces such as open-plan offices, factories and conference rooms.
Elisabeth Borne, the employment minister, is to discuss the proposal with employers and union leaders on Tuesday.
She said scientists unanimously recommended wearing masks โwhen several people are in a confined space.โ They will only be compulsory in individual offices when more than one person is present.
The government is also considering strengthening other workplace precautions such as plastic dividers for open-plan offices. โTaking into account what we have observed in workplace clusters, additional precautions are sometimes worth taking,โ Ms Borne said.
She said employers who place seasonal workers such as hotel staff or fruit pickers in shared accommodation may be asked to do more to ensure that social distancing is maintained and masks are worn.
Face-masks are already compulsory in indoor public spaces, but doctors and the governmentโs scientific advisors have lobbied for the rule to be extended to private companies. Many French cities have made them mandatory in crowded areas.
So what public health “emergency” is this draconian policy based on? You guessed it: a rise in cases with no corresponding rise in hospitalisations or deaths. France reported 3,310 new cases on Saturday, but only 29 new hospital admissions and just nine ICU patients. You read that right: nine. As the Telegraph reports, many of the new cases are younger people under 45 who tend not to have symptoms.
A Lockdown Sceptics Saint?

A reader has sent me the above quote from St Anthony the Great. Sounds like he’s the Lockdown Sceptics saint we’ve been looking for.
Covid No More Deadly Than Seasonal Flu in Ireland
Yesterday, I wrote about a Twitter thread by financial analyst Graham Neary showing that Neil Ferguson’s estimate of Covid’s IFR was based on an analysis of just six flights out of Wuhan from January 30th to February 1st.
Gordon Hughes, a Professor of Economics at Edinburgh University, has been in touch to point out that Neary produced another thread on August 11th in which he analysed the excess death data for Ireland and concludes that the excess deaths in April 2020, assumed to be partly caused by COVID-19, were no greater than they were in January 2017 and January 2018 (assumed to be partly caused by seasonal flu) and excess deaths in May 2020 were no higher than in a typical April or May. You can see the Twitter thread here and read the unrolled version here.
Here is Professor Hughes’s summary.
In effect he argues, using methods that are pretty robust, that the effect of COVID-19 in Ireland has been no worse than โ and probably less bad than โ an average flu season. After adjustments for the timing of death registrations, population, etc the cumulative sum of deaths in Ireland from Jan to May 2020 was less than in 3 out of the preceding 5 years. The winter of 2019-20 was a relatively mild flu season so that what COVID-19 has done is to offset the lower number of deaths from flu. On a monthly basis April 2020 was almost the exactly the same as January in two bad flu seasons (2016-17 and 2017-18).
Clearly the situation in the UK has been worse, almost certainly because of a more dense population and larger cities โ and possibly because of more people in care homes. If you strip out the care home element I would expect that the figures for most of the UK outside London has been similar to that for Ireland.
To go back to the IFR, nobody really knows what the IFR is for flu because estimates of the number of flu cases is about as unreliable as for the number of COVID-19 cases. It is possible that the IFR for COVID-19 is somewhat higher than than for flu because fewer people in Ireland contracted it but no-one can be confident of that while there is so much uncertainty about the true incidence of either flu or COVID-19 in the population. Even so it is certainly not an order of magnitude higher.
The true lesson of this whole sorry episode is the enormous cost of failing to monitor the incidence of pandemic or other diseases properly in the population. The ONS sample should be far bigger โ perhaps 100,000 per week โ and should be systematically carried out on a long term basis to monitor other respiratory diseases at short notice, since most widespread pandemics will be respiratory diseases now that we have reasonable control of water-borne diseases.
Professor Hughes made a further point, which I thought was very good.
There is a more general and separate point that I have been thinking about. At the outset COVID-19 was treated as an area for specialists (epidemiologists) but it has become clear that there is a whole group of competent data analysts who have provided new information and better analysis that goes way beyond the stuff produced by insiders. Not only Neary but Nic Lewis and many others from outside epidemiology. In part this is due to the heavy weight of academic convention, so that insiders want to satisfy their peers, whereas outsiders are more likely to be looking for illumination and answers. In part it reflects the fact that epidemiology doesn’t use methods or data that go significantly beyond what economists, statisticians, etc., are used to. There is, for example, nothing in the pandemic models of Ferguson et al that is really different from economic models that I and others have used in the past, while their statistical skills appear to be limited (to put it politely).
The corollary is that a setup by which governments only consult insiders has proved woefully inefficient because it is trapped by the prior assumptions and restricted data and analyses within a small group. This might be forgiven when the crisis first arose but it is inexcusable to persist in that behaviour once the implications and costs of the pandemic became clear. It is easy to recognise the bureaucratic reasons for resisting some kind of open source approach. However, since it has become clear to everyone that the Westminster political/administrative/media elite has failed badly โ though there are wide differences on why or how โ I would hope that the lesson is learned that things must be handled differently in future. This is nothing to do with conventional politics, since the devolved administrations have performed no better.
He’s not wrong. Many independent researchers, particularly financial analysts, have produced better risk assessments of COVID-19 than the Government’s scientific advisors. Indeed, if SAGE was replaced with a group of independent researchers the Government would probably have been better advised.
Don’t Go to Dubai

A reader who wrote to me before about the difficulty of obtaining a birth certificate and passport for her newborn has written again, this time about the ludicrous expense of complying with Dubai’s Covid travel guidance.
My brother and his fiancรฉe live in Dubai. My parents regularly visit them and we have had plans for months (pre-Covid) to go and visit them in October half term this year. We had naively assumed that by October things should be getting back to normal travel wise. However, I spoke with my mum and brother yesterday and they had been doing some research into travelling there โ my parents are due to go out in mid September.
Soโฆ as it currently stands you have to have a COVID-19 test 96 hours before you fly. This must come with a certificate and so an NHS test is not accepted โ you need to pay ยฃ200 for a private one. For us as a family of five (assuming children need the test also) thatโs ยฃ1,000 on top of the cost of the holiday. Then, 96 hours before you leave Dubai you need another test to enable you to be allowed to fly home. These tests are ยฃ300 per person plus ยฃ300 for a doctors fee to give you the test โ so ยฃ3,000 for us in total. You also need to wait in a room until you have your test results โ so on a six-day holiday we would potentially be spending a day sitting in a doctor’s waiting room.
Then, if you test positive you are moved to government accommodation and I guess not allowed to fly home although thatโs not clear from what Iโve read. If you are negative and can fly home you then must self-isolate/quarantine for 14 days once back in England โ not sure why if you have the proof to say you donโt have Covid from the test, but then nothing makes any logical sense anymore does it?
So at an additional cost of ยฃ4K it is safe to say we will now cancel our visit to see my brother. I am not bothered about another cancelled holiday โ that is now then norm in these times. It is just so worrying and frustrating how incompetent the people are in these positions of authority making the rules (up as they go along).
Postcard From Dartmouth

A reader has sent an account of her recent holiday in Dartmouth. Sounds pretty good.
We were a little nervous for what was our first major stay away since March 20th. This was partly because we had stayed before, fallen in love with the place and did not want to be disappointed. We stayed at the Dart Marina Hotel, right next to the Higher Ferry, a source of endless entertainment for us, as we can see it from our terrace. The hotel is wonderful. The staff there always give top-notch service, and the attention to detail is marvellous. It was a relief to see that most of their excellent staff have weathered the lockdown.
The town was busy, this being the hottest weekend of the year. We walked up to town with the intention of partaking in some retail therapy, and we realised that we had left our exemption lanyards in the boot of the car. We both thought, โstuff it, letโs blag itโ, which we did. We visited a lingerie store (no mask, no problem), a menโs outfitters (no mask, no problem), a newsagent (challenged, but no problem when the magic word โexemptโ was said) and a liquor store (same as the newsagent). At the latter, the lady customer right behind us, perhaps having heard us, claimed exemption as well.
On Saturday, we dined at Mitch Tonks’ Seahorse Al Mare. Mitch has had to move his operation from his fixed premises, not because of the virus, but because he was flooded out, courtesy of a burst water-main. Very creatively, he got permission for a covered venue right on the waterfront, and it was wonderful. No muzzles, no hassle, just good food and happy people.
We spent an amusing weekend observing the behaviour of other visitors. I imagine that many of them would have gone to Magaluf or Benidorm in more normal times, but the virus has driven them here. We saw numerous people wearing masks on the street (not required) but reassuringly, as the weekend wore on, we saw fewer instances of this.
Round-Up
- ‘Cultural Maskism: Social Class and Morality in the COVID-19 Regime‘ โ Niall McCrae with another hard-hitting piece in the Gateway Pundit. Cultural Maskism is good
- ‘Britons quarantining after holidays to France are allowed one supermarket trip on way home‘ โ That’s generous of the authorities. Returning holidaymakers could also be faced with a ยฃ1,000 for walking the dog
- ‘Two police forces are slammed after refusing job applications from candidates who ยญbelieve people cannot change biological sex‘ โ Being in touch with reality is now a disqualification for joining the police force
- ‘Oldham is on the verge of lockdown โ but its bars and pubs tell a different story‘ โ A Sky News team was embedded with Greater Manchester Police as they tried to enforce social distancing rules in Oldham
- ‘COVID-19 Hospital Activity‘ โ Data release from NHS England showing that on April 2nd only 50,871 hospital beds in England were occupied out of a total of 141,000, not including the Nightingales. Crisis? What crisis?
- ‘The tragedy of grades based on predictions‘ โย Excellent piece by education blogger Andrew Old about the A level results story
- ‘The five biggest coronavirus myths BUSTED! Exposing the fear mongering, propaganda and outright lies that are plaguing the world‘ โ I don’t usually link to pieces in RT because it’s a propaganda arm of the Russian state. But this piece by Peter Andrews, an Irish science journalist, is good
- ‘Spectator Out Loud‘ โ Listen to Douglas Murray and me reading our latest Spectator pieces
- ‘GREECE FRIGHTENING Fears for Greece holidays as coronavirus spike sparks concerns country could be added to UK quarantine list‘ โ Greece could be added to the quarantine list according to the Sun
- ‘History will judge the hysteria‘ โ Sceptical Israeli Professor Udi Qimron has given an interview to Arutz Sheva and he doesn’t pull his punches: “The ongoing destruction due to the inability to admit this mistake, despite the epidemicโs small mortality numbers, is outrageous. History will judge the hysteria.”
- ‘Doctors Pen Open Letter To Fauci Regarding The Use Of Hydroxychloroquine for Treating COVID-19‘ โ Three doctors have written an open letter to Anthony Fauci asking him why he isn’t recommending the use of hydroxychloroquine
- ‘Why is Boris Johnson taking us back to the Seventies?‘ โ Good piece in the Express by John Longworth
- ‘Public response to the reopening of schools to “all children” in September‘ โ Laughably biased survey aimed at parents, clearly intended to produce a negative response to re-opening schools. It’s been compiled by the World Socialist Website. Why are lefties opposed to schools re-opening? Don’t they care about disadvantaged kids being left behind?
- ‘Early spread of COVID-19 appears far greater than initially reported‘ โ Report about a new paper in the Lancet by epidemiological researchers from The University of Texas at Austin estimating that COVID-19 was far more widespread in Wuhan, China, and Seattle, Washington, weeks ahead of lockdown measures in each city
- ‘Britainโs appetite for the new normal will leave us all with a stomach ache‘ โ Good piece by Kate Andrews in the Telegraph
- ‘The broadcast media has disgraced itself‘ โ Hard to disagree with anything in this piece by Scottish blogger Effie Deans
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so weโve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened โ or most of them, anyway โ weโre now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet โ particularly if theyโre not insisting on face masks! Donโt worry if your entries donโt show up immediately โ we need to approve them once youโve entered the data.
A reader has put forward a good suggestion.
I was wondering if your map of businesses who have opened could be expanded to businesses who display “No mask? We won’t ask” sign? That would allow us mask-refusers to know where we are safe to visit without risking a drama with a Covid loon, and also reward those plucky businesses with our custom. It’s been interesting to see how the Covid terror only seems to last as long as financial necessity allows (note previously hysterical pub landlords get much less worried when they are allowed to re-open) so I’d be interested to see if a line of mask free customers outside one shop tempted its neighbours to risk the plague.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called โLove in a Covid Climateโ that has attracted a bit of attention (including this piece on Fox News). We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

Iโve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a โMask Exemptโ lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 1st to Oct 10th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official โMask Exemptโ notice to put on your phone here. You can get a โHidden Disabilityโ tag from ebay here and an โexemptโ card or just ยฃ2.79 from Etsy here.
Donโt forget to sign the petition on the UK Governmentโs petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 29,000). The Government responded to this petition today. Usual balls. You can read the response here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And hereโs a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
A reader reports on a trip to Alton Towers to celebrate his wife’s birthday. Obtaining a “Mask Exempt” card so face covering didn’t have to be worn on the rides was surprisingly easy.
We arrived at the Towers carpark just about 9.45am. The first thing I noticed was the semi-socially distanced snake of theme park guests walking the mile from the carpark to the park entrance. Previous visitors will know that a series of monorail trains convey guests between these to locations in better times. I assumed that the need to deep-clean and fumigate each 6-person compartment on the monorail after a live human had used it, meant it impractical to run the service. No worry; the wife wants to loose weight so an extra 3,000 steps wouldn’t do any harm. We parked up and joined the throng. What was most disappointing at this point was the number of people already fully muzzled; around 40 to 50% I’d say.
Entry to the park involved having an IR thermometer pointed at your forehead to take your temperature. Saturday morning was blessedly quite cool and my family all passed that test. Given UK obesity levels, I wonder how many guests were rejected for elevated temperatures because they’d just been made to walk a mile for the first time in how long? Particularly earlier in the week when the ambient temperatures were much higher.
Once in, I made my way swiftly to guest services. I joined the shortest queue of the day and soon found myself served. I had the page from .gov.uk that explains the reasons for possible muzzle exemption loaded on my phonee and had it centred on ‘severe distress’. I presented my phoneโฆ
“Hi, can I have a face mask exemption card please? I have severe distress.”
“Yeah, sure.”
The happy staff member grabbed one from the pile, wrote my name in the space on the back and and handed it to me. Simplest transaction of the day.
The first few rides we went on I was asked to muzzle up but each time, I just flashed my card and it worked a treat. No further questions, hassles, comments, etc. By the second half of the day, I wasn’t even being asked.
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And Finally…

Encouraging graphic in yesterday’s Sunday Times. Still a long way to go, but the British public is becoming less sheep-like.


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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/was-st-john-ambulance-right-to-change-its-cpr-advice-
Interesting – basically states that mouth-to-mouth has very little impact on resuscitation success and was phased out long ago, because of infection risk from other bugs. But as Covid trumps all, this is why the St John Ambulance advice has changed.
I was horrified by their new CPR advice initially, but perhaps I was wrong. Or is this just yet more misinformation?
I have a friend who was a lifeguard for years. He always told me CPR doesn’t work, at least not like you see on TV where people suddenly wake up after a bout of CPR. Unconscious people may not be able to breath or their heart may have stopped.
I’m not an expert on the subject but I believe the whole point of it is to keep the person alive long enough till the pros arrive with equipment that does the job.
New Update available —— >>>>>
Does anyone think the chaos caused by additional students now being entitled to take up university places that were withdrawn and given to others last week will cause universities ( and the government) to revisit some of the ludicrous social distancing restrictions and bubbles they were advocating just a week ago. My student daughter has become increasingly depressed reading the countless rules for meeting others. Basically, any form of socialising outside a defined bubble is banned. Jesus- what are we doing to our young? Iโm really not surprised to hear them askโ whatโs the point of going to university?โ The people advocating these draconian rules have clearly never had friends or fun. A colleague yesterday told me with tears in her eyes how her 11 year old daughter now has โa darknessโ about her and nothing her mum can say or do can lift it. Heartbreaking when the same girl lived for sport and was full of vitality just 6 months ago. I am so angry.
Disturbing info!
“Jesus- what are we doing to our young?”
This is a marker of the Evil that is abroad. I would hope that the young can re-capture a spirit of defiance en masse – and stick up two fingers .But the brainwashing and imposition of totalitarian control is so much greater than for previous generations.
Talking to one of my family who is close to the issues regarding university admissions, as well as trying to run a research team, I gather that – against my expectations, applications are reasonably high this year.
But the restrictions and stupidities that are being imposed on both students and staff are essentially being handed down from on high – with lack of rhyme ore reason; the presence of this monstrous virus is just taken for granted, with no balancing examination of costs. It seems incredible that leading academic institutions should be behaving like this – but they are. Critical thinking? Pshaw!
This top-down imposition is reflected throughout society. The deference is immense. So medical professionals are threatened with discipline if they tell the truth or use the knowlwdge and skill that they are employed for. Employers dictate whether masks should be worn by employees.… Read more »
Well said!
Thanks Rick. Iโm relieved that others feel the same sense of outrage. Iโm minded to write to Chris Patten, VC of my daughterโs university asking why he so ably speaks for the civil liberties of the HK protesters but is willing to reign over such an authoritarian regime at home and one thatโs the antithesis of a vibrant, open seat of learning.
More sterling stuff from Sky News Australia today:
โArbitraryโ nature of COVID-19 response will be revealed: Creighton
“Sky News host Alan Jones says it is clear now Sweden and Taiwan got it right in their coronavirus response, by looking after the vulnerable and elderly, practicing good hygiene but at the same time “letting the rest get on with their lives”.
Mr Jones said prestigious academics have suggested COVID-19 would have made little difference in the world had it not been noticed in the first place according to Sky News host Alan Jones.
Mr Jones noted the words of Stanford Professor John Ioannidis who wrote, โIf we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza like illness” would not seem unusual this year.โ
Mr Jones spoke with the Australianโs Adam Creighton about the matter.
โSadly I think itโs going to be many years before the conventional wisdom is that this was a grotesque policy failure, because the government of many countries is just so invested in it,โ Mr Creighton said.
โI think the truth will eventually come out โฆ the arbitrary nature… Read more »
Little bit naughty quoting Ioannidis without mentioning the date. That quote was published on March 17th, and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t say quite the same today. For the purpose of that scenario, he made what looks like a decent guess at the ifr – 0.3% – but drastically underestimated the number who would get infected.
A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
No. Even at that early date, Ioannides was spot on – as was Wittkowski. This year has been absolutely within the normal range of mortality. The only distinctive feature was the timescale of the curve.
He predicted 10,000 US deaths with only 1% catching the disease. That’s clearly a huge underestimate, even allowing for plausible amounts of exaggeration in the figures..
Maybe he would still write the exact same thing with the actual numbers, but I rather doubt it. I think he’d word it rather differently.
P.S. Note that both have been censored for the accuracy of their analyses.
Some might care to contact Gatwick’s CEO about this new COVID-19 world he tells me of today:
‘Update from Gatwick Airport:
I wrote to you in the middle of June to share an update on the impact of COVID-19 on our business and to signal the re-start of airline operations. Much has happened since then as we all continue to grapple with the challenges of living and working through the ongoing pandemic. My priorities as CEO continue to be protecting the health and safety of all our staff and our passengers as well as protecting the business. Following the restart of easyJet flights in June we have worked alongside our airline partners to support rebuilding of their operations. This means that we have now also resumed our normal 24- hour operations. We have fourteen airlines flying from Gatwick to 98 destinations in 39 countries, including many popular short haul summer holiday destinations. We were delighted to see British Airways re-start their long-haul routes to the Caribbean, with Air Transat and WestJet adding flights to Canada. We expect to see more airlines and destinations to be added in the coming weeks and months. We have worked closely with Government to secure… Read more »
This from The Telegraph coronavirus live feed (my emphasis):
Israeli scientists develop ‘one second’ gargle coronavirus test
Israeli scientists claim to have developed a one-second gargle test for coronavirus with an accuracy rate of 95 per cent, reports James Rothwell.
Users of the test gargle and then spit out a liquid which can be immediately analysed for the illness using a small computer device roughly the size of an ashtray.
A trial of 400 patients is currently underway at Sheba Medical Centre, and if the results prove promising then the test should be cleared for mass usage by the end of the year.
โThis system is very rapid, cheap, and is looking reliable,โ Prof Eli Schwartz, the head of the trial, told English-language newspaper The Times of Israel.
โItโs suitable for mass screening, as well as airport screening, screening at nursing homes, and even screening at home.โ
The test would replace swab testing as a mass screening tool, though people who test negative [as 99.999% of them will] from the gargle would then need to undergo a swab test for full confirmation of the virus.
Israeli scientists have also developed a 60-second coronavirus sniff test, where the user breathes in and… Read more »
So if you test negative from the gargle test your not actually a negative case you need to have a swab test ? Sounds a bit like Ye Olde Ducking Stool theory to me
Just keep testing, it will false positive eventually.
The only reliable test is a blood test.
That doesn’t make any sense. Surely it should read “though people who test POSITIVE from the gargle would then need to undergo a swab test for full confirmation of the virus”
Yes, now you mention it. It could just be a copyediting mistake – surely it must be?
I think you’re right. This is from The Times of Israel:
โThis system is very rapid, cheap, and is looking reliable,โ Prof. Eli Schwartz, head of the trial and of Shebaโs Center for Geographic Medicine, told The Times of Israel. โItโs suitable for mass screening, as well as airport screening, screening at nursing homes, and even screening at home.โ
He added: โThe idea is to mostly replace PCR tests, especially in places where you need mass screening.โ Schwartz said that the system will give highly accurate positive-negative results, and PCR testing will only be needed if results are borderline, or if medical professionals need detailed information on the viral load, which his test will not provide.
Full article here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-trial-israeli-gargle-test-gives-covid-results-in-1-second-at-95-accuracy/
“Mass screening”. Not sure I like the sound of that. Where do we think “screening” is acceptable/useful/desirable? Healthcare settings, and settings with vulnerable people e.g. care home? Anywhere else?
I wondered if that should read positive – but then the 99.999% won’t make sense. Either way, the test sounds redundant.
So a 95% accuracy rate is described as “highly accurate”. So you test 100,000 people and 5,000 will be wrong? Not to mention that the PCR test was probably used as the benchmark to calculate that accuracy level. A test that is already inaccurate. Science.
Nicked from Going Postal
Didn’t the ‘Painting’ chap used to be in Kraftwerk?
Says it all – in the Telegraph is a section on Supermarkets who find footfall has gone down since 24th July! Comments are 90% spot on.
A link would have been useful …..
Was it this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/08/18/face-masks-deter-supermarket-shoppers-says-kantar/
Didn’t take a genius to predict that and I’m certainly no genius.
Were they expecting people to suddenly flock to the supermarket because they’d all been holding back and starving themselves for the previous months?
Supermarkets had even been seeing record profits.
We’re being ruled by a bunch of muppets.
Eee, and all this mask wearin’ were meant to put it up!
A couple of posts last week questioned whether the media were backing off on their coverage of covid/lockdown..
This mornings BBC R2 hourly news bulletins have been almost entirely free of Covid except at midday a third billed story about the number of people with depression doubling.
I think that’s right. Certainly over the last few days BBC News has relegated bat flu stories almost to the bottom of the pile.
That could be because they are so rare.
It’s not necessarily a good thing, though, is it? They may simply be making the (inevitable) ‘second wave’ narrative more unambiguous.
I tend to think it’s a bad thing because it establishes the virus panic as normal background to life
Most probably
The worm really is on the turn in the media. Funnily enough, I think the situation in NZ is leading to an understanding that eradication is impossible and we have to learn to live with the disease. Now we just need the penny to drop making the connection between testing volume and quarantine/ local lockdown.
I think the journalists are looking to see which way it swings. It could be: why did we cause such damage for this minor bug; or why is the government killing people by relaxing the lockdown? Either will do.
You could well be right.
The cynic in me says that this backing off is because the main emerging real news is showing up the lack of reason for panic.and the stupidity of the official narrative.
The cynic in me says that the reduced coverage is to normalise the established narrative so far and effectively freeze their narrative “gains” in place.
Bearing in mind the financial control the government has over the media (as their main source of income at the moment) and involvement from the 77th I wonder if we’ll ever see any significant critical coverage in the MSM.
I agree and I think we won’t unless perhaps some of the owners of independently owned newspapers like the Telegraph decide this crap has gone on long enough. I can’t see the BBC ever admitting it’s all been a mistake. If the government radically alters course, they will criticise it for doing so, unless they are threatened with defunding. But the govt won’t take on the BBC unless they are sure they have public opinion on their side.
Julian – the government indirectly do control the BBC, although it is more accurately labelled ‘establishment’ controlled..
To some extent ’twas always thus (see Tom Mills : The BBC – Myth of a Public Service) – but the direct political interference has intensified over recent decades.
The threat of defunding has been in constant use recently as part of that mechanism of control. The government are certainly not the victim of the BBC, which, for instance did a sterling job of telling a great big porky narrative about Corbyn on behalf of establishment interests. They are now doing the same with Covid; it was the similarities of the propaganda techniques that led me originally to dig into the actual data.
“ effectively freeze their narrative โgainsโ in place.”
More or less what I’m saying, too.
Yes. The Grad has dropped its coronavirus section from the menu headers. DT still hanging onto theirs though.
Grad covering depression (ie the effects of lockdown!) and the A-levels are creating a welcome diversion from covid planic but which also points to lockdown harm. Maybe people will start to wake up at last.
We received a flyer through the door today for the NHS distance counselling service. Who knew that a lockdown, restrictions on family, community and religion, economic disaster and constant fear porn akin to propaganda warfare would have negative effects on the mental well being of the populace?
Apparently everyone but the (official) experts, the politicians and the corporate media.
Could be related to the Government trying to get children back to school. They can’t give the end-game away by stating that the virus is gone, so they have gone for the ‘no news’ approach – MSM paid off to stop publishing Covid-19.
โThe World Bank forecasts the deepest global recession since the Second World War and estimates that up to 100 million people across the world will be pushed into extreme poverty (WB 2020). For households in fragile contexts, the pandemic is particularly troubling, as it exacerbates existing vulnerabilities, driving communities deeper into hunger and destitution.โ
As lockdowns save old white people but kill young black people, you’d have thought the guardian would be against them?
Where are BLM when you need them?
As lockdowns save old white people but kill young black people, youโd have thought the guardian would be against them?
Unfortunately, the Guardian treats the lockdown as a fait accompli, but then seeks to find racism in how the lockdown is being implemented. No doubt it will wail about the people with darker skin being plunged into poverty, but it won’t blame the lockdown for it.
The “system” will be blamed and a “reset” demanded!
A cynic might say they’ve ensured plenty of stuff for them to write and complain about for the foreseeable future, having complained plenty about lockdown not being hard enough for the past 5 months.
And that’s coming from someone who is still waiting for their subscription to expire next month.
Lockdown killed old white people as well. It โsavedโ nobody. That is why we are playing charades with Social Distancing, masks and testing.
Imagine what they’d have done for something more deadly.
The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: Matt Hancock makes statement on axing Public Health England.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/aug/18/uk-coronavirus-live-gavin-williamson-criticised-over-exam-results-u-turn
The problem with Matt is that he doesn’t know he’s insane
Not sure about his sanity, but anyone who’s met him will confirm he is stupid!
He reminds me of the parrot from The Flintstones Movie that can only mimick / repeat what has already been said but ultimately undoes the baddy.
Musical chairs with the management, just like Connecting for Health = NHS Digital.
I assume its England-only? But “National”. We could have 4 bodies all called “National” in that case.
Have you seen the bios of the execs of NHS digital? Remarkable! Not exactly the qualifications and experience you would expect to see in a technology business.
I’ve seen them come and go in various mutations ever since John Prescott promised to put them on Bonfire Of The Quangos at the start of Blairs’ first administration.
Wankock: “”I have no doubt that under Baroness Harding we will found the NIHP as a thriving, mission-driven organisation”.
“Mission driven”. I haven’t come across that particular piece of business bollocks before. Still, at least he’s not claiming it will be “world beating”.
What I want to know is whether she is passionate about health. Going forward, of course.
Is Dildo Harding allowed or is too rude or sexist given our large female contingent?
Well considering a “dildo” is tends to be a derogatory comment about a man, no.
Dildo Wankock appoints Dildo Harding….
It could be passed off as an autocorrection.
Will she be delivering ‘at pace’
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.14.20174490v1 “Detection, prevalence, and duration of humoral responses to SARS-CoV-2 under conditions of limited population exposure.”
Just published from Arizona
๏ปฟA seroprevalence study from Arizona shows that โข All PCR positive cases seroconvert, including asymptomatics. โข Antibody levels mostly depend on disease severity. โข Antibodies against the nucleocapsid (N) glycoprotein wane more quickly, increasing chance of false negatives.
Well that, at least, makes it seem quite straightforward. Almost as though the ‘mysteriousness’ of this virus is a myth, partly put about by ‘scientists’ who, it appears, just don’t know their own business.
I’m serious: throughout this whole thing, amateurs seem to have had more idea about it than the scientists themselves.
Fron the Grad, re the new National Institute for Health Protection:
Harding will be named as the interim chair of the new institute โ a merger between PHE and test and trace โ and will steer it through its first few months as it seeks to improve the testing and tracing of people who may have coronavirus. Speaking in central London on Tuesday, Hancock will laud it as a combination of PHEโs expertise and test and traceโs capacity to track down large numbers of carriers and their contacts.
Hahahahahaha!
It beggars belief! (I think that’s the correct saying for this type of stupidity).
Bad news for us. Makes it crystal clear there is no intention to try and exit from this. They are planning to run this show forever.
Good job the PCR test is so useless otherwise there’d be no-one to test, trace or contact soon. My suggestion is that we stop all testing and then the problem would literally go away!
A total of 8,945 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the week ending August 7, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) – 157 fewer than the five-year average of 9,102.
This is the eighth week in a row that deaths have been below the five-year average.
Dido seems to be failing upwards, given that Test and Trace has been a disaster.โ That was the verdict of one NHS official on the impending appointment of Lady Harding, a Conservative peer, as the chair of the governmentโs new National Institute for Health Protection.
…. Dr Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at Southampton University, is equally unimpressed. Her new role โmakes about as much sense as Chris Whitty being appointed the Vodafone head of branding and corporate imageโ, he said.
Posted late yesterday of somewhere transferred from Track’n’Trace to phoning recent returnees to check that they are quarantined.
Asked what if they lie ?
“You can tell from their voice and put it in the report” FFS !
Sajid Javid has taken a new job as an adviser at the multinational investment bank JPMorgan.
The former Chancellor, whose career before politics was in banking, will join the company’s Europe, Middle East and Africa Advisory Council as a senior adviser.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/17/former-chancellor-sajid-javid-takes-new-job-adviser-jpmorgan/
Considering he’s drawing ยฃ90Kof public money to serve his constituents (hahaha) this should be illegal – for him and any other MP.
That’s a big should, unfortunately!
Were it something unusual or new.
The “should” has always stood!
He went to Davos in January. That cost you and me ยฃ6,000.
Never ceases to be a cause of much anger and frustration that these ‘full time’ MPs are able to fit in extremely well paid jobs on the side.
Considering the good job Javid and his fellow back-benchers have done at holding the Dictatorship.. sorry, Government to account since the beginning of this rule by Statutory Instrument, perhaps it’s time to give them a pay rise!!
not sure I should have put a comma between sorry and Government!
One of the biggest irony you can see with the PC governments in charge of lockdowns (only a few exceptions Hungary, Philippines are not PC) is that they have the problems with โdirtyโ minorities infected with this deadly germ. They can be Romanian fruit pickers in Catalonia, Eastern European meat plant workers in Germany, Cook Islanders in NZ and religious nutters in South Korea.
But there is a solution for this germ. The ultimate solution. Adolf Hitler was a hypochondriac and always was meticulous with handwashing. He was almost the best example of the national clean German. It is striking that in his writings he refers to Jews more like germs than parasites. He was a big fan of Robert Koch and Goebbels had a great film biography made of this German hero (The current German CDC is named after him). Jews were essentially disease carrying persons with degenerate spreading influence just like germs and must be dealt with in this way. This was almost a self-fulfilling prophecy when they rounded up the Jews in ghettos and they really become infected with typhus, dysentery etc. Anyone fleeing from the ghetto was gunned down which seemed to be an adequate response from… Read more »
The upshot – never trust a hygiene obsessive germophobe.
Or a hygiene obsessive Germanophile
Our Dictator is also meticulous about his handwashing
Only when on camera.
The connection between authoritarians and their need for a ‘virus’ image has always struck me.
Good point. But in this case, non-PC, non-woke people in general are identifying themselves as unclean. The people who don’t wear a mask, read this web site, watch subversive Youtube videos. For the public good, they will need to be shipped off to those special camps they’re building…
In case Jonathan Ashworth hadn’t already succeeded in demonstrating what a complete tosser he is, have a look at his twitter page. That’s some profile pic!
https://twitter.com/JonAshworth?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1295623536560799749%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2Flive%2F2020%2Faug%2F18%2Fuk-coronavirus-live-gavin-williamson-criticised-over-exam-results-u-turn
What a sausage! He’s always struck me as someone that is far too easily irritated.
Don’t know what all the fuss is about, Hitler suspended elections and that worked out fine
The first email I opened this morning said:
“Know what is in front of your face.”
A very apt quote from the Gospel of Thomas.
Graph to show the second wave of cases in UK since start of July. Hold up, what second wave?
You know that the argument will be that face rags have prevented it.
All these “outbreaks” in food processing plants.
Don’t they generally, you know, wear masks in these places?
Yes – a telling question.
As has been pointed out, in these sort of facilities, environmental issues dominate that are very different from the outside world.
But, of course, finding out the real variables has never been a major issue in setting policy.
I wonder how things work out in these factories. Does one person develop a cough, gets tested, comes out as positive so everyone else has to be tested and they find some more โcasesโ?
Someone has posted below here about the Hector Drummond site. I took a look and one of the comments was very interesting:
โWhen the number of tests increases by more than an order of magnitude, it suggests that the population being tested is moving from a susceptible sub-group to a more representative sample of the population as a whole.
It maybe that the real prevalence of Covid-19 in the general U.K. population has all along been about 6 in 1000 and the apparent decline from the initial ~200 per 1000 people has been mainly down to increased testing.
Of course this interpretation would imply that Covid-19 has been endemic in the U.K. population for a long time etcโ
I remember Dr Wolfgang Wodarg was saying way back in March, that if you test the sickest people, ie those in hospitals, clinics, waiting rooms etc, you will get more positive results but if you test the whole population, you wonโt.
As Prof Guptra was also saying, again as early as March.
I suspect one employee gets tracked from a test somewhere out in the community, maybe someone who’s actually ill. All the factory staff will then have to be tested, their families etc and off you go……..
Almost the whole of Wuhan was wearing masks when this thing first kicked off……
So, according to the ONS, deaths for week 32 of 2020:-
Total: 8945 (down from 8946 prev. week, down from 5 year average of 9102)
โflu/pneumonia: 1013 (up from 928 prev. week)
COVID-19: 152 (down from 193 prev. week)
โflu/pneumonia:COVID-19 ratio is over 6.66:1, COVID-19 deaths as a proportion of all-cause deaths: 1.70%, โflu/pneumonia: 11.32% (guess weโre going to be self-isolating due to โflu soon!)
Need even stricter COVID-19 infection prevention mesures, damn it! ๐
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending7august2020
It was 9319 in the same week in 2018.
I believe this is the eighth straight week where deaths have been below the five-year average. Any coverage of this in the MSM or any comment (let alone an apology) from Hancock and his pals? Not that I can see.
It’s covered in the Grad live section, see my recent post.
Not sure they could make a panic measure stick for flu.
They are talking about “coronavirus” for a while now…
I hope you’re right
Months ago I would have been saying the same about the measures we now have
So why don’t lockdown and masks stop flu?? Anyone would think they are not effective against viruses.
rhetorical question, right?
Meanwhile, in Wuhan…LOL
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1295401608331878400
Fantastic. I’ve booked my holidayโฆ
Has this been just one big Communist Party practical joke – us Capitalistic Pigs really fell for it.
I think you could be right! I wondered the same thing when I was just out walking my dog. Some Chinese bureaucrat is probably trying to take the credit for something that may have happened by accident. Who needs an arms race when the west is so fearful, gullible and suggestible that it can basically destroy itself over a relatively mild virus?
Compare GDP growth for western nations against China. Chinaโs economy is still growing despite the virus.
“The World Bank forecasts the deepest global recession since the Second World War and estimates that up to 100 million people across the world will be pushed into extreme poverty (WB 2020). For households in fragile contexts, the pandemic is particularly troubling, as it exacerbates existing vulnerabilities, driving communities deeper into hunger and destitution.”
well done lockdown fanatics, Stalin and Mao would be jealous!
That proves depopulation theory as lots of people will die of poverty
…but if it saves just one life…
Right, I’ve had enough!
Everybody here needs to swear and oath that we will not wear a mask in any circumstances*.
I will not wear a mask in any circumstances*.
* This means walking about in normal circumstances, not using a belt sander, my airbrush, my ecsrima sticks etc
Seeing children wearing masks ISN’T FUCKING NORMAL!!!!!
I am at my wits end with people.
It’s probably a good thing that I’m working from home at the moment. ๐คฌ
Done
Absolutely with you on this one.
I’ve already made that oath to myself. But I’ll happily do it again – I will not wear a mask in any circumstance (except at Halloween, or if, for some reason, I am forced to perform a role in Japanese Noh theatre).
‘I am at my wits end with people’,I couldn’t agree with that more strongly Winston,the complete spinelessness,subservience and total cowardice of most of the people in this country has almost rendered me speechless.
done in Sydney. Masks are recommended here. Buses have signs that say “Please wear a mask”.
My kid goes to school 4th grade-no masks, no social distancing-although today they changed school band to have no wind instruments.
Walking around Sydney, about 50% are wearing masks. And some kids.
Mask-off! don’t be a mask-hole.
I won’t wear one either. I feel sorry for the band instructors, Dept of Ed seems to be changing its mind numero times a day! Hazzardous health minister is another matter. Fall on your sword Bradley, you are the only one responsible for the Ruby Princess debacle!
Tim, Nicky, Mr Dee, Paul, covid and Steven; I salute you all. ๐ช๐ป
I unfortunately walked past a primary school this morning at going in time. What an upsetting saga. Children crying. Parents with child queued up the street like they were waiting for Noah and his ark. Some fuss going on at the school door, fumigation, delousing or something. The whole scene was not right. Admiration to the parents who are trapped in that doing the best they can. 50/50 mask wearing in the queue. The poor children looked completely out of place.
Do people have to wear masks when shopping in Wales? Has that come in yet?
I’ve just been checking the figures for Wales on https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk.
Everything declining – even “cases”. Are they not doing so much testing in the Principality?
No
England and Scotland complusory masks “cases increasing”
Wales no masks “cases” decreasing
Almost like masks don’t work
In the Republic of Ireland cases have been on the up since mandatory mask wearing was introduced! But I suspect much of the increase is due to where they’ve target testing. Numbers dying – as in the rest of these islands – look to be declining.
Partly true but they can’t admit that the increased “cases” is solely due to increased testing can they?
And every single European country that has introduced forced mask wearing has seen a rise in cases. How much longer can they keep up the fallacy that mask will save us?
In the Republic of Ireland they appear to have hit the jackpot with cases last week when they discovered a Covid case in a food processing factory in the Midlands.
The case was a migrant worker as were most other workers in the plant. theretofore they began testing all of them.
I own what I’m relating here is all based on hearsay. Though I be in Ireland I don’t watch or listen to the the news on RTE. Occasionally I do if it is in Irish – but apart from catching the word “19” in Irish, I have to confess there’s not a lot I understand.
No, not at all. Transport – yes (and some extra weird transport rules like no singing and no reading newspapers).
From what I’ve seen over the last few weeks, about 10% voluntary mask wearing in shops, very, very few outside. This is my personal view of North Wales from the north coast, to south Snowdonia, to Wrexham. Lots of tourists too. I think they see the lack of masks as a respite from the rules in England.
This is what the 1st Minister has said about masks in Wales:
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-gives-update-whether-18750628
“Face masks may have to be worn more widely if coronavirus cases rise in Wales.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said the Welsh Government would consider making people wear coverings more widely if there was a spike in cases across the country.
At the moment, face masks are only mandatory on public transport such as buses, trains and in taxis.
There has been pressure for Wales to follow England and Scotland in making masks mandatory inside shops, but so far the Welsh Government has argued that it would be disproportionate.”
We had a local spike in meat packing plant in Wrexham. Had this been in England, we’d have had a local lockdown, for sure.… Read more »
No, not at all. Transport โ yes (and some extra weird transport rules like no singing and no reading newspapers).
From what Iโve seen over the last few weeks, about 10% voluntary mask wearing in shops, very, very few outside. This is my personal view of North Wales from the north coast, to south Snowdonia, to Wrexham. Lots of tourists too. I think they see the lack of masks as a respite from the rules in England.
This is what the 1st Minister has said about masks in Wales:
โFace masks may have to be worn more widely if cases rise in Wales.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said the Welsh Government would consider making people wear coverings more widely if there was a spike in cases across the country.
There has been pressure for Wales to follow England and Scotland in making masks mandatory inside shops, but so far the Welsh Government has argued that it would be disproportionate.โ
We had a local spike in meat packing plant in Wrexham. Had this been in England, weโd have had a local lockdown, for sure. Instead, the workers were isolated, and guess what โ nothing happened.
After my initial misgivings, the Welsh Senedd seems… Read more »
First minister has said a few weeks ago that as the chances of catching it in Wales is 1/10000 he is not intending to introduce compulsory masks – yet… Sadly still seeing a lot of people masking up locally, but have been hypothesising with my OH that maybe they are all English lockdown zealots bringing their indoctrinated views on holiday with them to Wales?
Best thing to do, Nicky, (and I have done this), is ask the tourists if they realise the Welsh rules are different. Many are grateful that you’ve told them – I usually tell them “Welcome to the Land of the Free” – (though be prepared to deal with a few mask zealots – through they are a minority).
Good idea. Will try this. Have been confining ourselves to a few good Welsh, socially distanced, stares and ‘tut tutting’.
Out of interest, which part of Wales are you from? Here in the North East, everyone I come across seems to have forgotten the rules. It’s quite rural here, with pockets of old mining villages orbiting Wrexham – a working class demographic mostly. Tough, no-nonsense people.
Lots of tourists (some foreign too) visiting places like Llangollen – which has bloomed again back to normal after the desolation of the Lockdown (it was sad to wander its empty streets a few months ago in such beautiful Spring weather).
Iโm mid Wales Powys. Also rural and locals phlegmatic and sceptical but also not wanting to put heads over parapets. Quite close to the border though so sometimes hard to distinguish visitors from home grown so to speak. Do gave a fair number of caravanners and holiday home visitors
Not while shopping, but do on public transport. Which includes open rigid inflatable boats, apparently.
new analysis shows covid hit a minimum on 30 June, everything since is noise
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/08/18/daniel-curtis-brief-analysis-of-uk-covid-test-positive-rates/
Yes – an interesting piece of analysis, confirming ICU and hospital death data.
… which leaves open the question of what the real infection ratio is (i.e that of actual infective illness in the population – as opposed to PCR fairy dust).
It’s important in the sense that the actual major infection, as we’ve seen, is in the fantastic and ludicrous exaggeration of risk that floats around in the average mask-wearer’s head.
This, of course, is at the core of the indictment that can be placed at the door of the shell that proper journalism has become.
I always liked Reagan’s comment ‘the nine most terrifying words in the English language are’ I’m from the government and I’m here to help’
Yup, plus “it’s for your own good”, usually a good indicator that it’s not.
The Climate Change Lobby appear to have the upper hand in this, convincing mediocre politicians everywhere that controls are needed to save the planet. What politician could resist the opportunity to dictate to the people. They are disgusting and it wont be forgotten
Oh the arrogance of these funny little human creatures – the planet will look after itself. Our entire history is just a minor blip in its long, long life.
And yet a lot of the so-called “Covid safety” practices have harmed the planet more than what we were doing before March. The decimation of wildlife tourism has led to a resurgence of poaching, anti-malaria and locust control projects are suffering because of lockdown. Unnecessary waste generated by takeaway containers. Plus of course, the worst of all – discarded masks and gloves that are a bigger hazard than single use plastics!
The wakamole quarantine routine will persuade us to make decision to empty the skies ourselves.
No need for new air taxes, no actual ban rationing or other restrictions, Greta will be thrilled.
Do stop confusing issues to suit. This is entirely different from climate change.
There is at least one key, and crucial, similarity – both hysterias are driven by modelling, and there’s absolutely no reason not to presume that the modelling that drives the climate panic is as questionable as the modelling that drives the coronapanic, and for similar reasons – motivated gigo.
No – the situations and the science is very, very different.
This current issue is far too important to be confused with other debates such as the climate issue and Brexit to suit generalised agendas.
The details are obviously different but the same basic process worked in both – modeling creates a terrifying scenario that suits a lot of people’s prejudices and policy agendas, then lots of massively funded people go out to hunt for corroborative details, while dissent is suppressed because it’s “dangerous” or “conspiracist”.
Whether you think it’s unhelpful to draw attention to this clear parallel probably depends on your opinion on the two panics. It does give a broader perspective and therefore understanding of the cultural and political issues driving the problems we face, imo.
Note that this process – create a scare, hype it, search endlessly for and therefore find supporting evidence, suppress dissent – can only be used when it is working with the grain of elite ideology. You couldn’t do it for an issue that is politically incorrect.
“ It does give a broader perspective”
… or a cloud of selective personal prejudice and predeliction that detracts from the essentials needed to create wider opposition.
Such selectivity is fine in political debate – it’s what it’s all about. Of course, reference to other issues will be made at times, but this issue requires focus, and trying to bundle every personal opinion and predeliction around it isn’t useful in keeping that focus and creating consensus.
I could easily erect a set of totally different connections – but they are beside the point to the key issue about which there is agreement.
But as always in these debates, the distraction is created by the attempt to silence the disliked opinion,. You could have just tolerated and ignored the opinion you disliked or debated it, but instead you chose to try to say that it ought not to be expressed.
“I could easily erect a set of totally different connections”
In fact you’ve spent quite a lot of time doing exactly that, with your personal fantasy of this being driven by a “far right” faction in the government. I could have responded to that in the way you do here, by saying “stop distracting from the needed focus”, but mostly I’ve tried instead to respond by refuting it – pointing out the real political nature of the “Conservative” Party and highlighting the hugely significant coronapanic driving forces on the political left – Guardian, trade unions, BBC, academics.
Alternatively if I felt disinclined to engage, I could just ignore your comments, just as you could ignore comments you disagree with in relation to climate change.
And the other point is that, just as with BLM whn the mobs were defying coronapanic restrictions while claiming to support them for other issues, it’s not actually a separate issue, politically, because the climate fanatics are openly using the coronapanic as an opportunity and pretext to advance their own agendas, from vehicular traffic-hindering measures to trying to sneak legislation and policy changes in while people are distracted.
I doubt you could point to any more compelling evidence that a majority of BLM protesters were in favour of corona restrictions than I could that Brexiters are. I won’t start on climate change, or we’ll be here all day. Or we could do blockchain enthusiasm, just for fun?
” I wonโt start on climate change, or weโll be here all day.”
Engage, or ignore and tolerate. That’s my point. Don’t try to silence people (unless what they are doing is clearly intentionally and very substantively disruptive).
‘Engaging’ with an issue does not mean dragging into it every other issue on which you have an opinion, be it BLM or Brexit or climate change. Unless you think there’s a world wide conspiracy to suppress all your views. Perhaps you do. If so it has been spectacularly unsuccessful thus far.
You misinterpreted what I wrote, willfully or otherwise.
DanClarke made a perfectly legitimate point which one can agree or disagree with. My point was that it’s fine for you or Rick H to either engage with that point. or to ignore and tolerate it’s expression. What is not fine, imo, is for you or him to try to suppress the expression of the opinion in question by claiming it’s “distracting from the real issue” etc.
As I pointed put, the attempt to suppress it creates more actual distraction than the original point itself ever could.
The basic premise is the same.We must endure loss of freedom to save mankind/earth.
Both are based on flawed computer modelling and increase power of globalist politicians.
The end result seems pretty much the same to me.
It is clearly linked as the climate change crowd are using covid/lockdown as a shield advancing their agenda.
In my small city as soon as the road gangs got back to work instead of completing works left abandoned, they implemented several bus & cycle lanes (cars excluded) in the name of Covid safety but all those schemes had been on the books for years as part of “greening the city”.
I have no problem with that but I don’t like being lied to.
(Introduced as temporary no surprise to hear calls to make them permanent).
US former congressman Ron Paul seems to have his head screwed on concerning the Covid hysteria. Worth checking out his website:
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/
Where’s our British equivalent?
This article is especially interesting:
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/august/17/good-news-fauci-s-out-and-common-sense-might-be-returning/
He’s not a fan of Fauci:
“Fauciโs advice, forecasts, and assessments proved to be wildly wrong, contradictory, and just plain bizarre: Donโt wear a mask! You must wear a mask. Masks are important as symbols. Put on goggles. Stay home! Churches must be severely restricted but Black Lives Matter marches and encounters with strangers met over the Internet are perfectly fine.”
According to Mr Paul, Trump’s hired Dr Scott Atlas onto his coronavirus task force.
“On April 22, Dr. Atlas wrote an op-ed in The Hill titled, โThe data is in โ stop the panic and end the total isolation.โ In the article he made five main points that are as true today as when he wrote them: an overwhelming majority of people are at no risk of dying from Covid; protecting older people prevents hospital overcrowding; locking down a population actually prevents the herd immunity necessary to defeat the virus; people are dying because they are not being treated for non-Covid illnesses; we know what… Read more »
Have put those 5 points on my phone to show people.
Excellent!
Atlas is good news yes.
I can’t think of a British Ron Paul that’s in Parliament.
We’ve had some more independent minded MPs in the past, but they seemed to have all been cleared out at the last election.
Has Dan Hannan had anything to say ?
Looking at his Tweets he seems moderately sceptical, but he’s not an MP any more
Here is a video talking about Fauci out, Atlas in
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=363121408424368
Sorry for the farcebook url – but it does include Del Bigtree
Ron Paul is the business. ๐ ๐
I had a ‘Ron Paul for President’ sticker on my car in 2012. Widely admired in rural Sussex, that was.
Thanks Mumkin, what a ‘fun’ set of data and graphics, and it does look like a decision making tool.
BBC R4 news 08.38
Someone, not a journalist just said
“Public Health England are pain in the arse who don’t share data…”
Call me prissy but it’s not the sort of language one expects from ther flagship news programme.
Oops wrong thread