UnHerd Interview With Anders Tegnell
Freddie Sayers, the editor of UnHerd, has done an interview with Anders Tegnell, the architect of Sweden’s coronavirus strategy, that’s worth watching.
Freddie kicks off by asking him whether he thinks Sweden’s strategy has been a failure or a success.
I think to a great extent it’s been a success. We are now seeing rapidly falling cases, we have continuously had healthcare that has been working, there have been free beds at any given time, never any crowding in the hospitals, we have been able to keep schools open which we think is extremely important, and society fairly open — while still having social distancing in place in a way that means that the spread of the disease has been limited.
The failure has of course been the death toll… that has been very much related to the long-term care facilities in Sweden. Now that has improved, we see a lot less cases in those facilities.
Tegnell is careful not to claim that Sweden has avoided a lockdown altogether. Rather, it has had a partial lockdown, with the decline in economic and social activity being largely voluntary.
In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries. So I don’t think complete lockdown is the way to go for all countries… the rapidly declining cases we see in Sweden right now is another indication that you can get the number of cases down quite a lot in a country without having a complete lockdown.
He is also cautious about claiming the absence of a full lockdown in Sweden has been beneficial and acknowledges that he doesn’t really know whether the Swedish death toll would be lower had they locked everyone down. But he points out that we do know that lockdowns cause considerable collateral damage.
It would have made maybe some difference, we don’t know. But on the other hand we know that lockdowns also have big other effects on public health. We know that closing schools has a great effect on children’s health in the short and the long term. We know that people being out of work also produces a lot of problems in the public health area. So we also have to look at what are the negative effect of lockdowns, and that has not been done very much so far.
However, one thing he is sure about is that trying to suppress or eradicate the virus is a mistake.
I don’t think that this is a disease that we can eradicate – not with the methods that we have right now. It might be a disease that in the long term we can eradicate with a vaccine, but I’m not even sure about that. If you look at comparable diseases like the flu and other respiratory viruses we are not even close to eradicating them despite the fact that we have a vaccine. I personally believe that this is a disease we are going to have to learn to live with.
Throughout the interview, Tegnell sound both modest and sensible – a far cry from our own public health panjandrums. That’s particularly true when he talks about why face masks haven’t been made mandatory in Sweden, my favourite part of the interview.
One reason is that the evidence base for using masks in society is still very weak. Even if more and more countries are now enforcing them in different ways … we haven’t seen any new evidence coming up, which is a little bit surprising. The other reason is that everything tells us that keeping social distance is a much better way of controlling this disease than putting masks on people. We are worried (and we get at least tales from other countries) that people put on masks and then they believe they can go around in society being close to each other, even going around in society being sick. And that, in our view, would definitely produce higher spread than we have right now.
Worth watching in full.
Poor Risk Assessment
A reader heard a worker in the City of London interviewed on Radio 4 yesterday who said something astonishingly stupid, even by bed-wetting standards.
I heard someone on the radio this morning saying she had bought a Harley-Davison to drive to work in Mayfair, in order to – you guessed it – “stay safe”. But if the fatality risk for a person of working age from COVID-19 is roughly equivalent to a daily car drive of about 50 miles, and motorbikes are 25 times more dangerous than driving, it would seem that a motorcycle commute of two miles poses a greater threat to life and limb than coronavirus. Lesson: If you want to stay safe, you must remain sane.
NHS Hospitals in England Reported No Deaths on Three Days Last Week
I have one eagle-eyed reader who checks the daily data releases from NHS England about the number of deaths recorded in hospitals in the previous 24 hours. This is what he found last week:
There were three days during this past week in which the report released for that day recorded ZERO deaths during the previous 24 hour period.
July 21st for the period 4pm July 19th – 4pm July 20th
July 22nd for the period 4pm July 20th – 4pm July 21st
July 24th for the period 4pm July 21st – 4pm July 22ndDuring the previous week, this only occurred on two days.
When I’ve reported these findings in the past, readers have contacted me to point out that in the latest data releases for NHS England, the days that initially recorded no deaths in earlier releases have subsequently had deaths assigned to them. That’s due to the much-discussed delay in the reporting. Nevertheless, what my correspondent says is true: when the data release for the 24-hour period in question was first released, it showed zero deaths.
Will Face Nappies Kill the High Street?
In his column in today’s Mail on Sunday, Peter Hitchens says Boris’s decision to make face masks mandatory in shops will kill off what’s left of the hight street.
The Government’s dedicated efforts to destroy our economy and an entire way of life have moved up a step.
High streets had just begun to stir feebly back into life after months of enforced shutdown. Then the futile decree went out from Downing Street that customers must wear muzzles.
And what will happen? Why, more people will choose not to bother to go near shops at all. They will buy from the internet giants instead.
I fear he’s right and this picture a reader took on Oxford Street yesterday confirms it. On a normal Saturday afternoon, Oxford Street would be teeming with people, but it’s now almost deserted. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos’s fortune has increased to $171.6 billion, cementing his status as the richest man in the world.
France’s Philosopher-King is a Lockdown Sceptic
The most famous philosophe in France, Bernard-Henri Lévy, has a new book out in which he argues that coronavirus has sent the world into “psychotic delirium”. In an interview in the Sunday Times he summarises the thesis of The Virus in the Age of Madness.
“People keep saying this is an unprecedented pandemic,” he says. “It is not true. Humanity has had to deal with many pandemics, often more grave than this one. There seems to be an intention, a collective desire, to panic. It is not as big a disaster as we think.”
“There is a sort of unilateral focus: Covid, Covid, Covid. It completely erased any other information,” Lévy says. He writes of the world falling into a state of “psychotic delirium” and of witnessing “the spectacle of world leaders so terrified by the threat of a corona Nuremberg that they deemed it more prudent to put the world on hold, caring little for the outbreaks of hunger, violence against the poor, and authoritarian takeovers that were sure to follow”.
He rages against “the dieticians, the prophylactocrats, vegetocrats and ecolocrats”, and against those finger-waggers telling us we deserved Covid. “Oozing goodness and contrition, they sing, reminding us that even before the pandemic they warned against the folly of a world that could not continue as it was, a world headed straight into a wall.”
Now he says: “People on the right and left are telling us that we had too much enjoyment and we have to be penitent and so on. This is such an unprogressive rhetoric. This is the most stupid and stubborn, profane religion, the opposite of what the progressives should be. This is exactly the best way to bury all the liberal and democratic dreams that made the West great.”
Sounds like a must read. If you can bear enriching Jeff Bezos even further, you can buy the book here.
Lanyard Success
A reader gets in touch to say his “mask exempt” lanyard is working like a treat.
I must thank you for recommending the “mask exempt” lanyards. I received mine yesterday and immediately took it for a test ride on public transport. During my journey from Didcot Parkway to Lille Europe, using Great Western, London Underground and Eurostar I was only challenged twice (both times in St. Pancras International). I simply pointed to my lanyard and said that I have a medical condition. No further questions!
You can buy your very own “mask exempt” lanyard here.
Round-Up
Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Gloves may be the next step after masks in the battle against coronavirus‘ – What fresh hell is this?
- ‘The Science and Law of Refusing to Wear Masks: Texts and Arguments in Support of Civil Disobedience‘ – Excellent summary of the law and guidance concerning face coverings, what you’re obliged to comply with, what you aren’t, and the penalties for not doing so
- ‘Coronavirus driven out in most local areas‘ – But not in Luton and Blackburn, apparently
- ‘The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It‘ – Interesting piece in Newsweek by Harvey Risch, Professor of Epidemiology at Yale’s School of Public Health, praising Hydroxychloroquine
- ‘Dominic Raab DEFENDS decision to axe quarantine-free travel to Spain overnight despite British tourists – including Transport Secretary Grant Shapps – already arriving for holidays‘ – Govt demonstrates it is absolutely determined to destroy the travel industry
- ‘“They’re spiteful anti-intellectuals”‘ – Heart-rending piece about Stephen Lamonby, the university lecturer sacked for praising Jews
- ‘JK Rowling holds the answer to ending cancel culture‘ – Douglas Murray on the public’s stubborn refusal to stop buying JK Rowling’s books
- ‘A sporting crowd will return at the Oval but restrictions still make for a dystopian sight‘ – The Oval has decided to admit 500 people to the forthcoming two-day friendly between Surrey and Middlesex, even though the stadium’s capacity is 25,000
- ‘Should individuals in the community without respiratory symptoms wear facemasks to reduce the spread of COVID-19?‘ – Good round-up of the evidence by the Norwegian Institute of Public Health. The answer, obviously, is no
- ‘5 reasons why the coronavirus nightmare may soon be over‘ – Ever the optimist, Matt Ridley sees light at the end of the tunnel. Buy his excellent new book here
- ‘Balancing the Risks of Pupils Returning to Schools‘ – Amusing parody of a bed-wetting report purporting to be from an organisation called DELVE with links to the Royal Society. Clue is in the title: the risk of pupils returning to schools is zero. At least, I assume it’s a parody
- ‘We lose much when the face is covered up‘ – Article by the Archdeacon of Hastings in the Church Times, a rare sceptic in the Church of England
- ‘Thousands of hotel jobs face axe, warns UK Hospitality boss‘ – No, really?
- ‘More than 30 people chasing each job in parts of UK‘ – Only 30?
- ‘Love of freedom is the missing ingredient in this Tory government‘ – Good piece by Madeline Grant in the Telegraph
- ‘It is terrifying that our civilization will not mourn the death of the city‘ – Janet Daly on cracking form
- ‘Coronavirus: Why everyone was wrong‘ – Good piece by Beda Stadler, the former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern. Among other things, she says asymptomatic people aren’t infectious
- ‘Hazmat Suits For Air Travel Sold Out-But Will They Be Allowed Onboard?‘ – I think I’m going to get one of these to wear to fancy dress parties
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “Cover Me” by Bruce Springsteen.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folks Below the Line
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The connection between obesity and severity of Covid19 has been well known for months . Anyone with basic observational skills would have noticed the increasing prevalence of obesity in the British population over the last 30 years . The causes are multiple but include the reduction of jobs requiring physical labour, the increased use of cars instead of walking, cycling, the increased consumption of junk food.
Obesity is not good for anyone and is linked to diabetes type 2, heart disease, strokes and cancer. Unsurprisingly it is also linked to poorer outcomes from infections including Covid19 .
The recent paper from the pro lockdown magazine the Lancet pointed out that obesity in western countries like the UK and US would explain the difference in morbidity and mortality of Covid19.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext
This peer reviewed paper also noted that lockdowns had NO EFFECT ON COVID MORTALITY rates .
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When I checked on obesity stats in Europe and elsewhere I couldn’t find any obvious correlation between high levels of obesity and high levels of Covid deaths. I was suprised to find the UK was not as bad as you might think…probably Brits are happy to flaunt their flab in ways people of other countries are not.
My other half returned from an expedition to Waitrose early this morning.
Evidently – near 100% mask wearing – but she commented that the custom was remarkable sparse, and that if this goes on, the chain will be in deep doo-doo commercially.
That was my experience of Morrisons & Asda last Friday & Sat.
I think a lot of people who won’t wear masks are doing online delivery instead. So, unfortunately, shops like Waitrose may not suffer much.
If there is a drop in footfalls that information will hopefully feed through to the government – it doesn’t matter about sales. The mask edict was meant to give people the courage to go out shopping! Vide all those photos of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson out ‘shopping’ afore he announced the edict. it is small traders who will be hit if there is a drop in footfal in the high streetl – y’know solid supporters of the Tories usually.
I understand your point but I suspect stores gain a lot of profit from people walking the aisles and making impulse purchases.
MONDAY’S PAGE has arrived
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/07/27/latest-news-86/#respond
One of my sons went mountain biking in Wales yesterday.
The guys running the mini bus to the top of the mountain said they were being watched and monitored and begged the passengers to wear their facemasks in the bus.
My son said that when they popped into shops to buy food later, it left him with a moral dilemma whether to stick up for his muzzling-is-nonsense principles and risk getting a small independent business into trouble with the official Karens.
The other son who, ironically, wears a dust mask at work, has downloaded the mask exempt badge as his phone screensaver. He commented that as soon as Autumn comes, everyone who coughs or sneezes will create the “Second Wave!!” plannedemic and they’ll be brandishing the syringes.
Mmm but what about people that are exempt?
Son doesn’t accept that he is exempt on medical grounds.
He’s essentially a very honest, kind person and the bus people were so stressed a hypothetical argument would have been cruel.
I saw how on edge my local cafe owner was about the silly regs. The official Karens are really putting the small businesses under a lot of stress.
It is not the responsibility of the small shopkeepers, it is your sons responsibility ONLY.
I know. We tried to discuss the ins and outs but the mobile link kept cutting out as he drove home through the mountains, so we didn’t get too far with it.
Besides, he lives a long way from me and we don’t get much chance for long chats, so I didn’t want to spoil his sharing his account of a great time cycling, by banging on about covid. There’s another time for that.
He knows the virus numbers are nonsense but he’s basically a very considerate person and there are two valid ways of looking at the situation. He needs to get the longterm view. I’m still working on him!
A good article of the OffGuardian site, placing the current mpaign within the spectrum of terror.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/27/the-ultimate-divide-and-conquer/
Top rate, please repost on Mondays page
May have already been posted, but just in case…
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ethics-of-covid-19-treatment-studies-too-many-are-open-too-few-are-double-masked/
On the need the need for more rigorous testing of vaccine and treatment trials
Living in gwlag Wales where masks have not (yet) been foisted upon us, my main act of civil disobedience is to refuse to use the chemical goop mandated at numerous shops. I carry with me a home made spritzer of eucalyptus oil in water and if anyone looks like they’re going to object, call out gaily, “I have my own!” before marching into the shop. Fools the Nazi at my local farm shop every time. It’s clear she doesn’t like it but doesn’t know what to do…
They have now !
This is a test – for the last two weeks, all my posts show “waiting for moderation” then they disappear…
Welcome Melangwell. Toby has been away for a week so presumably not able to approve new posters. You are obviously now in, so post away.
Thanks Dave but I’ve been registered for a long time! Anyway glitch resolved now…
One things I’ve noticed is that when the number of comments gets very high it can be difficult to get them all to load. You have to keep fiddling with the cursor on the right side of the screen. And if they haven’t all loaded then your comments might be among the ones that haven’t loaded.
But I haven’t seen a “waiting for moderation” message. Perhaps you’re adding a link that they need to check.
It happened several times even though I’ve been (occasionally) posting on this site for quite a while, but all good now 🙂
Melangell That happened to me too when I first joined. I wondered if it was part of a vetting process to check out that we were not infiltrators from the ‘other side’ i.e. lockdown zealots, or official censorship spies in disguise! Can’t be too careful these days; we are not exactly holding back with our criticisms of officials on here are we?
It could be that you had more than 3 links in your post
Nope, but all okay now 🙂
Toby said the moderator has moved on, mine have been waiting since yesterday
People with dogs (see above photo). Never quite know what to make of people who have a black lab. I always wonder to myself, “What on earth do they get up to in there?”
Lab reports.
Is that a polite term for dog farts?
Let’s assume the IFR is 1% (just for ease of illustration).
If I say the bar has been set very low for disproportionate actions the response will be in the form, 1% of 60M is still 600k dead.
Ok, so the argument is working on the absoluate number of dead. These measures are apparently justified and proportionate for this metric.
Let’s say the population in question doubles to 120M. If it is the absolute number that determines the level of intervention then the IFR required is reduced to 0.5%.
So over time more measures can be justified for viruses that are weaker than before.
Just took a drive around town, though raining the pavements are busy but masks have disappeared, they must be really unpleasant to wear when cold and wet.
I was literally just about to write that it would be interesting to see how many morons would be walking around in masks and struggling to breathe in today’s weather!
DIY waterboarding
Makes them even more porus than they already are!
Why would the Gates Foundation be giving grants to the UK Government?:
Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory AgencyDate: June 2020
Purpose: to prepare international GBS polysaccharides and human reference standards
Amount: $521,225
Term: 38
Topic: Pneumonia
Program: Global Health
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.mhra.gov.uk
The Gates Foundation has also funded Bath university’s current (controversial) vaccine programme to the tune of millions of £s – the one which allegedly has suspect ingredients that allegedly cause sterility according to a whistleblower researcher. Fits in with Bill Gates’s alleged personal theory we must take urgent steps to drastically reduce the world’s human population to avoid destroying the planet. According to an American molecular biologist whose YouTube interview was taken down, he is friends with Fauci. Conspiracy theories they may be, but could there be some underlying truths?
I think people need to review what they automatically dismiss as ‘conspiracy theories’.
Is it because that all such theories/claims are all inherently irrational and baseless (like the claim the moon is made of blue cheese)?
Or is it because they have been labelled as such by MSM (which as a matter of FACT is owned by a handful of billionaires and mega-corporations). And people don’t want to embarrass themselves socially or professionally by going against the ‘mainstream’ view of ‘truth’?
Truth is not always with the herd. And it takes a certain amount of courage to break away to find it.
Conspiracies happen every day – this is a fact.
But to accuse billionaires and their mega-corporations of co-operating to maintain and increase their wealth and power is a baseless conspiracy – according to the media owned by same billionaires and mega-corporations…hmmm!
Fairs fair, you are right. Conspiracies happen every second – this is a fact.
We know the Chinese government ruling 1.2 billion people engage in conspiracies including locking up and attempting to brainwash virtually a whole nation (the Uighurs) while denying that is what they are doing. We know that Russia does also. We know Saudi Arabia does (including murdering and cutting up one of its own citizens in one of its embassies). You could add Iran, Pakistan and Qatar alkng with many others as countries that engage in secret conspiracies with malevolent intent.
You could say conspiracies are the way of the world, couldn’t you?
According to the Alliance for Natural Health, Gates is funding 7 of the candidate vaccines..
No, but it will take 3- 34 years to prove it:
The physicist David Robert Grimes estimated the time it would take for a conspiracy to be exposed based on the number of people involved. His calculations used data from the PRISM surveillance program, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the FBI forensic scandal. Grimes estimated that:
a Moon landing hoax would require the involvement of 411,000 people and would be exposed within 3.68 years;
climate-change fraud would require 405,000 people and would be exposed within 3.70 years;
a vaccination conspiracy would require a minimum of 22,000 people (without drug companies) and would be exposed within at least 3.15 years and at most 34.78 years depending on the number involved.
Despite my observations about the prevalence of conspiracies in countries like China I think it’s best to avoid the word. Do the employees of Just Eat or McDonald’s believe they are involved in a conspiracy to make people fat? I doubt it…but they might as well be. Commercial interests and personal financial interests combine with a rather simplistic consumer service ideology to produce cognitive dissonance on a grand scale.
Sturgeon also took a £28 million bung from Gates https://www.thenational.scot/news/15901118.bill-gates-scotlands-global-health-collaborative-is-a-really-smart-idea/
You couldn’t make it up. One thing I would suggest is that such a bribe might not be about personal financial gain for Gates or anyone else. Everyone assumes that everything is above board if ‘grants’ and ‘funding’ are charitable, and can’t possibly be traced back to personal financial gain. But for someone like Gates, the money’s irrelevant. He has an agenda based on his own peculiar obsessions and I think it is very dodgy when any government takes money from him, obviously compromising their independence regardless of whether anyone is personally benefiting financially.
There is simply no transparent accountatbility to trace that money and see it’s effect.
The Scottish Goverment cloak to darkness at will over anything they choose.
Why would BBC media action be getting gates money to commincate about shit to ‘Global/Asia’
BBC Media Action
Date: March 2019
Purpose: To create effective social and behaviour change communication interventions to shape demand and practices on Faecal Sludge Management in four focus states, and leverage government resources to disseminate them.
Amount: $2,994,305
Term: 35
Topic: Water, Sanitation and Hygiene
Regions Served: GLOBAL|ASIA
Program: Global Growth and Opportunity
Grantee Location: London
Grantee Website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/
Source: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2019/03/OPP1206040
and that is just a small portion of the funding, Ferguson’s Imperial College modelling unit is funded by Gates. Follow the money
Americans love a good camera and a brutal hospital scene of chaos and suffering. At least American media adore bringing us the gripping fear of journalist ’embeds’ full of dust and pixilated gore from the front line.
So, where is it then? Why are British screens empty of American ICUs bulging at the seams runn8ng with blood? If this was a middle east invaisions our living rooms would be filled with American millitary reports.
What’s going on – why the lack of footage from American hospitals?
About 2 months ago there was a film made by a nurse at New York City Hospital which showed absolutely not Covid patients being put alongside Covid victims by management, the reason was not made clear.
Jason Goodman was repeatedly questioning the lack of activity around hospitals in New York. One report he looked into was found to have been likely staged. Actors forming a queue on the street and the Doctor at the centre of the report a very dubious character with time to secretly film talking to camera in middle of death panic – and no colleagues challenging her.
Scary reading, blueprint for what is coming soon:
https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/51353957
Published by the Academy of Medical Sciences, London not the Uk Government.
Urgh, I wish you hadn’t posted that – seriously depressing to read what the gov is clearly going to do. Horrible, absolutely horrible. When will anyone with some actual power just stop and say ‘what the fuck are we doing? This is not worth it’.
We’ve literally entered a time where no cost is too great, despite the low risks presented by Covid-19 itself, no adjustments have been made to take into account the improved treatments for those who did get seriously ill.
Sorry to spoil your rainy morning.
Can’t go out an garden so keeping myself amused now I’ve fixed my printer and printed up copies of the toolkit from the laworfiction website to take out with em whenever I go out again.
Just been going through the “Fellows” and Council members of the Academy of Medical Sciences:
https://acmedsci.ac.uk/fellows/fellows-directory/council-members
Amazing how many of them link back to UCL, ICL, University of Edinburgh, University of Cambridge, GSK, Wellcome trust and so on which are all institutions with ties one way or another to our favourite billionaire.
The worst bit is the part about face coverings being encouraged as a ‘social norm’
Yikes – haven’t got to that yet. Feeling suicidal.
Dear Awkward Git. Have you emailed that document to Toby to add to his resources list for the next newsletter? Downloaded and saved to my Covid-19 file on my computer but have not read yet. Did you read through my post above with a copy of the 1 page document I printed out and took to our village shops this morning? Has a useful quote from a solicitor in it, plus definition of discrimination, and link to an independent organisation that gives advice on equality and human rights issues.
Read your post – well done.
Only thing keeping me sane is annoying the believers and authority plus booze while cooking.
I’ve just printed up the 6 page laworfiction toolkit document to take out with me with the fines and compensation payable highlighted very prominently.
Don’t know when I’m going out next as I hate shopping and wife is swinging between wildly despondent and militant and wanting to hit people so stocked up with food last week while still got some money spare but they are ready for the next sally forth out of the trenches into the heathen border country of Staffordshire, Stokieland and North Shropshire.
Not sent it to Toby yet, don’t know if he’s still on holiday or not.
Last thing I bugged him with was asking him what he thought of the medical advice given by CMO Whitty et al on 30th Jan 2020 so Handjobs could concoct the serious and imminent threat declaration on 10th February 2020 but he’s not commented about ti in his websites so not sure if he’s still on holiday or not.
I really believe the time has now come to ignore whatever squawking the various governments, councils, devolved assemblies, etc, etc come out with. Just ignore it en masse. There comes a point when enough is enough. We are at that point now.
Indeed! Slightly encouraging from our POV is that their estimation is that 38% of the population are currently ‘dissenting’, plus 24% ‘frustrated’ and wanting more restrictions lifted… so taken together that puts ‘us’ in the majority. They deem 38% of the population as ‘trusting’ – it is those we need to convince!
Incidentally their recommendation of people taking 10 mcg of vitamin D is vastly under the amount that would do anyone any good… Seems like they want to be *seen to be* encouraging it, but not in an amount that would actually have any effect…
We only need another 13% to dissent!
Page 15 – ‘The likely impact of lockdown on the levels of exposure to other pathogens, vitamin D metabolism, and the activity of adrenocortical hormones, which affect immunity. These factors are likely to play an important role on the immunological resistance to infections and their influence needs to be considered in the approach to winter, including how best to modify these factors if possible.’
Is this an admission that a) we could be locked down again in winter and b) that lockdown results in less exposure to other pathogens and vitamin D, thereby weakening the immune system?
I got as far as the introduction and realised it’s pony. Either lockdowns work or they don’t, they can’t have it both ways.
Update on masks and disability issue for exempted. Printed the information out copied below and went up to the shops in my village to speak to the staff in each and provide a copy. One had clearly seen the FB post about the mask notice and my comments because I was greeted with caution at their entrance. I was wearing my exempt lanyard. I gave the example a LS had put in their comment here yesterday about replacing ‘exempt’ with a race or religion, and said that would obviously be discrimination to not permit those people to enter – so the same applied to exempt persons. I was allowed in, unmasked! Staff were masked in 2 shops, unmasked in 3rd. 2 said they would pass the paper I gave them to managers and were friendly. Manager of the 3rd shop was present, (masked) and served me with a frown from behind her screen, without speaking!
What counts as discrimination? Discrimination happens when someone puts you at a disadvantage. You should be able to go about your daily life as anyone else would expect to. If you cannot, it may be discrimination, depending on the situation.
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You are doing a great job. It is imperative that all shops (large and small) know this information and act accordingly.
Went into my local pharmacy this morning to pick up my mother’s prescription (she’s on 8 (!) daily medications at 92, so does her bit to keep Big Pharma in trillions of dollars). I went in maskless but shop empty and nobody said anything. As I was waiting for the assistant to bring out the big white bag stuffed with pill boxes, I espied a sign on a shelf saying “masks for children 4 to 8”. I said, loudly but politely in the hearing of the pharmacist and her assistants, that surely they weren’t selling masks for children as young as 4. Oh yes, said the pharmacist. I replied that they were complicit in child abuse and that the whole thing was a big hoax. Nervous giggle from the assistant who was serving me, the rest just hung their heads in shame or embarrassment. Took the bag of medicines and walked out.
Great that you challenged selling masks for 4 year olds.
Your mother is a typical example of polypharmacy. They normally start with one prescription drug, then due to the side effects of the next drug they are then prescribed more and more drugs. In some instances some of these drugs then have contraindications to some of the others and health continues to deteriorate. So sad.
My wife and a few parents of friends and the same – bags and bags of pills most of which were to counteract the side-effects of the other ones.
Found this handy website:
https://www.rxlist.com/drug-interaction-checker.htm
Type in the drugs and see how they interact. It uses known problems as reported to the various authorities by drug companies and individuals.
I know both the UK and US have websites where you can report any possible side-effects you’ve had.
My wife had a lot of red warnings, questions date GP who admitted he knew there were “some minor interactions”, she came off them and now only takes 1 prescription medicine and never felt better.
Her friend showed her interrelation list to her pharmacist daughter who just hugged and continued handing out her full prescription list without question and she is getting more and more doolally by the day, we think they are trying to kill her off quickly with all the drugs. A friend thinks the same his happening with his ageing mother who they keep pushing DNR to.
The twin ironies of mask enforcement
Irony: “a situation in which something which was intended to have a particular result has the opposite or a very different result”
We now know that the new coronavirus was in fact not unduly dangerous in societal terms, resulting in levels of death and sickness that are not significantly out of line overall with levels experienced in recent past years, without undue disruption resulting. We know that there are significant levels of pre-existing immunity in the population, and it is most likely that this is to some extent due to cross-immunities resulting from past infection with other coronavirus colds.
Irony number 1
To the extent that social distancing and mask use have any effect in reducing the prevalence of viral respiratory infections, they must therefore reduce the effectiveness of the very thing that has protected us from this latest addition to the suite of coronavirus colds that are endemic in humanity.
Irony number 2
While the attribution of motivation in others is always necessarily speculative, and open to debate, we are often told that the purpose of the government imposing mask use by law is to reduce fear and encourage people to come back… Read more »
Couldn’t agree more. This is why I think we’re being run by genuine psychopaths. Imagine actively harming the populace in order to save your own career and reputation, to avoid simply admitting that you made a mistake. Ironically, the longer they put off admitting error, the worse the fallout will be when it all finally comes crashing down.
If you’re looking for a challenge and have a bit of spare time, you could write a book on this. I am rubbish at history, just trying to think of equivalent instances of mass hysteria in the past. If there were any, how did we move on from them? I was talking to a friend on the weekend who knows all this is utter bollocks but isn’t angry, and I wish I could be like her. I was saying to the Mrs this morning it’s like waking up and finding that everyone has started believing the earth is flat again. Even if it hasn’t affected my life a great deal (I am lucky) I simply can’t just ignore it. Perhaps I should, otherwise I will probably go mad.
I can only recall the instance of HG Wells’ book “War of the Worlds” being read on radio, and the population mistook it for a real alien invasion. But that wasn’t a deliberate act.
The witch trials 15th- 17th century. Almost quarter of a million killed across Europe.
Judging by the way some folk are behaving, including some formerly close friends, especially in our rural backwater, I am expecting a mob at my village door anytime soon to take me to the ducking stool or wood pile. I’m easy to identify because I used to run a business locally and have challenged lots of absurd untrue posts on our community FB group and posted some medical and scientific articles.
You blasphemed in the church of the self righteous!
Twentieth century socialism: minimum of fifty million dead worldwide, not counting those starved to death through lunatic policies or those killed in wars “for the cause”.
It was. It was the world’s first experiment in mass media behavioural change.
You should not envy your friend. People like her are why people like us are going to suffer immensely. This is “first they came for the socialists…” mentality and the point of that poem is that we cannot reserve our anger for when hell touches us. Injustice is injustice, and if you aren’t mad as hell, you are asleep. It’s ever-so-convenient to not care right now.
Cheers, Julian, I appreciate the compliment, but I know my own limitations. Hopefully people much better and more experienced at it will be writing books covering this stuff – Toby for one.
It sure can be tricky to retain confidence in one’s own sanity when the bulk of society moves away from reason on an issue. Not sure I have any solutions, mind…
Places like this definitely do help.
Very well said. A couple of months ago, I probably would have said that I was astonished that the government didn’t know this or, if they did know, astonished that they didn’t act on that knowledge.
The serverly depressing thing is that now, I believe they probably do know this but for some unintelligible reason, they choose not to act on it. When I say unintelligible, I mean to normal people; politicians obviously are not normal.
Cheers, Edna. This whole coronapanic has been basically a series of revelations of ever-increasing levels of absurd incompetence (to put the only charitable interpretation possible on their actions) on the part of our supposed betters, imo.
Well, I suspect they like power and want to hold on to it. That’s “normal” for some, I suppose.
This is an excellent and succinct summary of the situation. Worth trying to get it published anywhere? Maybe Toby could help? Can we quote bits of it to fellow sceptics who are not members of this site?
Thanks for the compliment! Please do feel free to copy and paste all or extracts, or share via the link button (top right of each comment, for any who haven’t spotted it).
Sums it up.
Have you noticed that the Fascists never now talk about the symptoms of Covid, chances of dying, etc? It’s now simply the Bogeyman that all zombie morons believe in unthinkingly.
I don’t know if this image will appear automatically, if not just click the link. It will (hopefully) bring a smile to your face, whilst showing the absurdity of the situation.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3pRRtWoAIfw-M?format=png&name=small
It doesn’t cause me to smile but underscores how barkingly mad the whole business is.
😂😁😂
Well, who’d have thunk it? The government’s proposed weight-loss drive is based on calories and junk science.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/boris-johnson-obesity-drive-will-not-be-bossy-or-nannying
Other measures include a ban on the sale of chocolates, crisps and sweets at checkouts and displaying calories on menus in restaurants and pubs, including for alcoholic drinks, which are estimated to account for nearly 10% of the calorie intake of those who drink.
Whateley said: “what we saw with the sugary drinks levy is the widespread reformulation of the products.”
That was yet another boost for Big Pharma and the fake food industries. Artificial sweeteners might be better for your teeth but some are neurotoxins and they are all just as fattening as sugar, for reasons that have nothing to do with calories.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/26/lose-5lb-save-nhs-100m-says-matt-hancock-coronavirus-wake-up/
An army of “weight loss coaches” at GP surgeries will be trained to persuade millions of people to change their diets and reform couch potato lifestyles.
GPs’ pay will be boosted for increasing the number of overweight patients referred to slimming clubs and online weight loss programmes. Doctors will also be told to prescribe exercise and social activities, and an NHS 12-week weight loss app will be launched on Monday.
Those who are overweight can expect… Read more »
Find it interesting that they are using ‘protecting the NHS’ as an incentive. The glorification of the health service in this country is deeply toxic, an overhang of the empire, the exceptionalistic need to have something that is ‘world-beating’ (even though it’s average) and it’s partly why we are in the mess we are.
The NHS psy-op death cult
I called this out from the moment I first heard about the propsed nhsclap. I vomited first of course and then said the ungodly contrived praise of the NHS will be akin to the lionisation of the British armed forces during the first and middle stages of the 9/11 wars. Note, not the later stages because the psychopaths have got what they wanted by then.
It has been used for the same purpose during this killer death bug o bug episode – get the public to celebrate and support the NHS so that the pyschopathic measures they want can be brought in unoppossed.
Do you think Cressida Dick might encourage the public into fat shaming?
Not sure about the fat shaming, but I do think we should shame police officers who bungle anti-terrorist operations that lead to shooting innocent civilians dead.
They are doing that loose the fat drive because THE LOCKDOWN has caused nearly everybody in the UK to put on about 3 more stone in weight because they have been sitting on their sofas watching the telly and eating pizza and drinking beer for the last 4 months.
I saw my mate the other day and he had put on about another 3 stone since I last saw him.
People have been eating and drinking more because they’re depressed, worried or bored.
Sugar, sweeteners and salty, fatty foods are addictive.
If you’re poor, you’ll buy cheap “food”, the stuff that fills the supermarket shelves with pretty boxes full of “food” which is little more than processed grains, high fructose corn syrup and rapeseed oil. This isn’t as nutritious as “real” food, so our body asks for more because it’s hungry for nutrients.
Carby food also creates an insulin spike, which leads to a blood sugar crash, which leads to eating more carby food.
Yep – completely guilty of eating lots more, and rubbish food, for all 3 reasons. I am no longer just overweight – during lockdown I have got FAT. Gross. Must go back on the 5:2 diet before winter. It worked really well and after the 2nd week was very easy to do and stick to for 12 months. Then lockdown arrived.
I’ve lost a stone with fretting.
Horse is pleased about it!
I put on weight when the lockdown first started, am now more than halfway to getting rid of the excess again.
Doctors are not trained in nutrition and purposefully shuns nutrition. Imagine GPs as healthy coaches without proper nutrition as part of that. Can only imagine that includes drugs, shakes, artificial sweeteners (with many side effects) and telling people that exercise is a must.
Sadly many obese people have such inflamed bodies that exercise will be painful and therefore they will try it once and never again. Inflammation needs to be reduced following a proper whole food diet and fixing nutrient deficiencies and then exercise will add value.
We absolutely cannot trust any nutrition advice by the Government. They still use the outdated food pyramid. At the bottom of the pyramid they recommend that we stuff ourselves with a lot of carbohydrates. They even recommend low fat diets that have been debunked. We need good quality fats in our diet and good quality proteins (the building blocks of our bodies)
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We are all different and our bodies react differently to different foods – it is not as simple as calories in and out. Some people are very sensitive to carbohydrates and gain weight weight quickly.
TRUE. I wish more people understood this.
When I’m asked about it, I advise people carrying a lot of weight to first make a note of everything they eat. Then cut down. Not stop or give up anything, but just cut down. I only recommend they see a nutritionist (advisable) after they see initial results.
Increasing exercise comes later, or as you say it is self-defeating.
I regular check my weight. 5lb is within the variability of the scales, time of day, and whether you are dressed at the time. Of course at the moment I can’t even get into my GPs surgery for him to advise me on his weight…. (marginally overweight on BMI scale but heck I do a lot of outside exercise)
Boris needs to lose 5 stone, not 5 lbs! Who is going to tell the nurses?
OMG, so much wrong with this…. where does one start??
But yes, let’s incentivize the dipshit GPs to fob off every overweight patient with a genuine medical concern onto the fat farm division. Because they aren’t already completely lazy and useless the way it is.
I am actually mortified by this… and that it’s coming from a fat fucker is just the cherry on top.
They generally do this anyway. The standard line is: “stop smoking, drink less, eat less, exercise more.”
‘Protect the NHS’. ‘Our NHS’. ‘Frontline’. ‘Heroes’… The new kneejerk endorsement that says ‘this is good, honest’.
I called this one weeks ago. I saw the amount of soft drinks, sweets, crisps and ice cream we were delivering throughout the lock down. I told all my friends and family that the next thing will be an obesity epidemic.
The outcome would be much better if the state made mass sport free for children and adults: free swimming, football clubs, martial arts.
4 cases found in Vietnam. This seems to be how people want their lives to be controlled in future.
Vietnam detects first locally transmitted Covid-19 cases since April
Nation which had been praised for its swift action against coronavirus brings in strict new disease prevention measures
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/vietnam-evacuates-80000-tourists-amid-new-covid-19-cases-in-danang
Vietnam is evacuating 80,000 people from the central city of Danang and reimposing disease-prevention measures, after four local coronavirus cases were detected, the first to be recorded in the country for more than three months.
And meanwhile in Sweden…
If you go on to the YouTube page for the Tegnell interview you’ll find most comments are supportive, but the ones that are not clearly hate the man with a passion. I think it’s a fair bet to say they hate him because his strategy has contradicted their view of the world, rather than out of concern for Swedes. He is accused of being arrogant – so Vallance isn’t?
4 cases in a country far away and of course the Guardian are all over it.
Meanwhile, it’s revealed our authorities have been hyping up the number of deaths and fudging the figures and barely a fucking squeak.
From the gov.uk website, You can refuse to accept a fixed penalty notice and say you will go to trial.
https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty
Clog up the system and annoy them.
Precisely what I intend, nobody gets to see my, legit, medical records until it gets to Court where I shall win, not that it will ever come to that.
asking you to provide details/Proof of what is confidential info, could itself be seen as discriminatory and contrary to the Equality Act. Many people don’t realise that individual employees could be personally liable to compensate victims under the Act. The government, transport operators and all shop owners ( if they wish to comply with that Act) should be clear that people should not be singled out and questioned as this is in itself discriminatory. It’s utterly disgrace that C Dick should in effect be encouraging people to break the law. And I find it equally disgraceful that the MSM are not making this clear as well. We’re becoming a nation of intolerant bullies. Please refer to Law or Fiction website for details.
Spain quarantine = EU negotiation tactic and keep Nicola Stalin (Sturgeon) in check.
Definitely nothing to do with health of the nation!
Or is it part of psych ops to soften us up for the untested vaccine?
Willie Rennie has asked for sturgeons decision making on spainish quarantine to be made public. Doubtful anything was recorded as sturgein is a verbal operator if unanswered lockdown decision making foi replies are anything to go by.
The stalin salmond spat o doom is bubbling to surface today with a minor sky news report. Is this a begining of a new c19 frint. Salmond famously stated he had a fight to fight but woukd let tge black death o doom sweep through before he brings forth his fight back – lying in parliament and civil service collusion were trailed as the battle ground.
Most likely. The Spanish took a pop at the UK over Brexit negotiations. Maybe Boris trying to throw his weight ( ahem ) around?
As well as another “Leicester” theatric
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1287649130655997959
Boris on being fat.Churchillian?
Sorry, I just couldn’t bear to listen to Boris.
The comments are interesting though. The first few are sickeningly sycophantic but those further down really get to the point!
I do not want to hear anything from Boris
Institutionalised panic:
Coronavirus: Spain quarantine was ‘right thing to do’
Imposing a 14-day quarantine on people arriving in the UK from Spain was “the right thing to do”, a minister has said.
Care Minister Helen Whately told BBC Breakfast the government acted “rapidly and decisively” after seeing data suggesting rates of Covid-19 were “going up rapidly in many parts of Spain”.
It’s pretty much an outright lie. I am curious to know how many of them know they are lying and how many are just lazy and parrot out whatever crap they get fed by whoever is feeding it to them.
She is not what I would call ‘impressive’, to be polite!
… as the saying goes :
“You know when they’re lying. It’s when they speak.”
You’ve got a generous nature, Julian . I can see why, but it’s hard to comprehend the level of stupidity in those responsible to be required four months on to actually *believe* the nonsense being puked up by government.
Thanks for saying I am generous! I had a big argument with a sceptic friend yesterday as she was defending the PM, to whom she still ascribes some good intentions. The people at the top all know it’s a lie, just curious to know how far it goes. Yes, I expect they are selected for the ability to lie, but I think also selected for the ability to go along unquestioningly with the herd when it’s convenient, without troubling their little brains one way or the other with the truth – it’s easier to be convincing if you just repeat stuff you’ve been told without having looked into it yourself. For example, how many MPs would be able to accurately estimate risks per age group, IFR?
“defending the PM, to whom she still ascribes some good intentions.”
I had to laugh at that – fighting your way through a jungle of lying, psychopathic narcissism and blather to find some ‘good intentions’!!!!!!!
I think those who know they are lying mostly believe it is a noble lie, told for the Greater Good. The more cynical probably regard it as a necessary lie, told for the good of the Party (and their own careers).
As for how many that is, good question. These are professional liars who have risen to the top in a political system that actively and very strongly selects for the ability to lie. So it will never be easy to unmask them.
Will Grant Shapps have to quarantine though?
List of exemptions:
“Crown servants or government contractors travelling to the UK for essential government work”
Wouldn’t call his work “essential”, but still ……
He’ll quarantine alright. The government will make a big song and dance about how he’s doing it, and remind people how we are STILL “all in this together”.
It would probably have been better if Shapps wasn’t affected.
“Refusing to wear a mask is probably the smallest thing you can do to fight back, and perhaps one of the hardest.The bullies will try to intimidate you, as will the Gov, but in the end, unless you make a stand, you will be a wearing a mask for the rest of your life.”
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1287659791729537024
Look at these comments:
My wife and I went to Sainsbury’s yesterday not wearing masks and was waiting for a backlash, but nothing, in fact a woman approached me to say well done for not conforming, she was wearing one but then decided not too, made me feel good
Shopping all day yesterday without a mask, no one said a word and looked vaguely envious
I just got back from holiday and went to my local Tesco Express without a Mask. Approx 50% of the customers were wearing masks. No challenges, just pleasentries from the unmasked staff and fellow non mask wearing customers all smiling at each other. Well done
A: If only there were more of us.
B: There will be if we keep doing it & especially if we can do it looking normal and unstressed. My husband had this operating principle at work that I’ve always remembered and tried to follow: ‘Lead by example’. The ripples will spread outwards.
Yay!!!
YAY! I think your right.
”lead by example” printed T-shirts would be excellent uniform for us un-nappied shoppers
Ideal slogan…not to obviously confrontational or conspiracy-related..
Yay indeed.
NEVER GIVE UP.
https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1287507705993797632/photo/1
“South Africa: Mandatory wearing of masks under partial easing of restrictions from May 1 /update 12Wearing of masks in public to be compulsory under new regulations partially lifting lockdown from May 1; follow authority directives”
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/336291/south-africa-mandatory-wearing-of-masks-under-partial-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-1-update-12
South Africa has seen an explosion of C-19 cases in the past month. They’re at 30.5 degrees S latitude… their typical winter flu season which begins between April or June.
Just doing some number crunching. On 26th July 2020 225481 coronavirus tests were carried out:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
Total positive tests were 747 which gives a positive rate of 0.33%.
It’s getting harder to find out an actual false positive rate for the tests might be, most searches churn out hits after hit about false negatives instead. Best I can come up with in 2 mins research is a false positive rate of between zero and 30%, the ONS use 5% for their number crunching if I read their webpage correctly which matches what Roche uses for their sales blurb:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/england14may2020
So 0.33% is well within the probability of false positives range.
One small point, the 225,841 figure is the tests made available. Tests carried out was 142,954 which is a positive rate of around 0.50%, which is more or less the average for the whole of this month. Daily figures here: https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/testing
It’s getting difficult to track down real data as they spread it over so many different sites, webpages, wishy-washy wording and so on.
Be too easy to see through all the bullshit if it was all laid out clear as day on one page wouldn’t it?
But beyond ‘false’ outcomes for both types of tests, there is the simple questionability of what is found – namely disconnected strands of RNA that *might* be related to a virus. Then you have the whole question of what mere ‘viral presence’ means in a context where every body has millions of microbes present – and needs such.
Imagine a thought experiment :
The common cold is suddenly declared ‘a deadly virus’. The same type of test programme is instituted. What do you think would be the outcome?
This is extremely bad science done by boys and girls with shiny toys, and a given to political pole-climbing class with little proper education or grasp of even what the word ‘science’ means..
Whenever I hear the term ‘first class education’ used indiscriminately, I always think people like Cameroon with a ‘First’ in PPE from Oxford.
‘Nuff said.
Consistent Inaccuracies in COVID-19 Testing and Reporting
“The only consistent thing about COVID-19 testing and reporting so far is their inconsistency. Head-scratching “errors” have plagued us from the get-go, and it sure doesn’t seem to be getting any better. I guess it just goes to show that even with access to incredible data-crunching technology, human ineptitude will ensure no one becomes the wiser.”
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/07/27/coronavirus-infection-rate-in-usa.aspx
The tests are a total distraction.
The introduction to any good book on probability and statistics would urge starting from the basic procedure of just *looking* at your data in the real world setting.
In the case of this mythical Scary Fairy that data would tell you straight away that, over an extended period, you are not tripping over bodies lying in the street, and you are probably having to think hard to think of cases of serious illness (let alone death) that would make this year entirely different from any other year in your life.
That is the starting point.
The next question – even before getting to recondite issues of alleged viral RNA strands is
“So what the f. is this all about?”
… which would then lead you towards political, psychological, sociological and basic statistical analysis rather than medical issues.
http://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/07/26/benidorm-is-safe-and-here-is-the-proof/
Just come across this in one of the free papers for Spain. Interesting reading.
The areas affected by the spikes are further away from a place like Benidorm than Glasgow is from London.
The positive tests are found amongst Catalonian fruit pickers who live in cramped caravans or in cities like Barcelona where the young have been gathering in large numbers.
”Look in your own backyard Boris”
Interesting conversation with the Spanish dentist this morning. He did not want to be thought of as a conspiracy theorist but is suggesting that a lot of people think that this will be all over once the US election has taken place. Someone on here has also suggested that by tanking the economy now, Boris will have something to blame if Brexit is a disaster and the bounce back forecast doesn’t happen.
But what I don’t understand is exactly how this rests on the US elections, and what if the result is that Biden wins, what happens then, and if Trump wins, what happens?
A plausible explanation for that would be that the Covid-thing was devised and planted quite deliberately. I feel a Francis Urquhart moment coming . . .
There’s credible evidence to suggest that was GM engineered in a lab in the US and was deliberately sent to infect the Chinese at the military games.
There’s also evidence to suggest that Fauci had it transferred from the US lab to the one in Wuhan.
Given that the US is doing all it can to provoke China, these rumours make more sense than the bat flu from the wet market story – which I understand has been discredited.
I understand that Fauci and Obama provided funding to the Wuhan lab, and it’s more than likely that the virus was bioengineered, but I haven’t seen any evidence that it came from the U.S..
Didn’t Fauci have his super bio-labs in the US closed down due to safety concerns then move them to Wuhan?
Can you point us in the direction of some evidence? Back in December I read reports in the Washington Post and New York Times about a contingent Americans catching Covid-19 when they went to Wuhan for a convention in October. Plus I watched the interview with Dr Judy Mikovits pointing the finger at Fauci’s involvement with the Wuhan lab and its partner lab in the USA for the financially incentivised vaccine research. In that interview she also accused Fauci of stealing and burying her work on the effectiveness of the very cheap malaria drug hydro….ine (can’t remember the spelling). If I remember correctly (?) she also made allegations that the virus possibly escaped from the Wuhan lab, but have seen nothing indicating it was the other way round. (Her interview was taken off line fairly quickly so cannot replay it, but it was jolly convincing.
If Trump wins, the violent insurrection currently going on in Democrat-ruined cities will spread and get worse, probably leading to an all-out civil war.
If Biden wins, whoever is really in charge, including his VP (not yet announced, but will be a “woman of colour”) will encourage violence from the far left anarchists and communists to spread to Republican areas. The Democrats won’t stop them, and the police will have been “defunded” across the U.S.. There will be well-armed militia on both sides, leading to civil war. Two thirds of the police and military veterans will side with the Republicans, and many will join militia units (already happening)
The Democrats will give the vote to 22 million illegal immigrants. They will end the filibuster (requirement for 60% of the vote in the House or Congress to pass any legislation. It will be changed to a simple majority, i.e. 1 vote). They will make D.C. another state with two guaranteed Democrat senators, ensuring a perpetual majority. The will end the Electoral College, thereby ensuring with all these measures that they will be in power for the foreseeable future. The Republicans will never be able to get a majority again in House,… Read more »
Better make sure Trump gets elected,!
I enjoyed that rather worrying analysis. I fear you are spot-on, though.
Thanks! So it’s civil war in either scenario?
You are right. Civil war is coming, and – quite frankly – if people don’t start waking up in this country and fighting back, I will be moving my disabled ass back to America and joining the militias. I made my home here. I prefer to fight here. But no one here seems to care, so I shall join those who do.
If you don’t know by now that this affects you, too…. I don’t know what to say to you. This is not someone else’s problem on someone else’s doorstep. It’s on YOUR doorstep, too.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437
“We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores”9:32 pm · 25 Oct 2019 Joe BidenPerhaps a co-incidence no conspiracy
But this from Bill Gates?
https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/120768199761274880
“What’s next for our foundation? I’m particularly excited about what the next year could mean for one of the best buys in global health: vaccines.”3:20 pm · 19 Dec 2019
Youtuber and pundit Lionel Lebron reckons that in the event the Democrats win all this Covid and Black Matter stuff will vanish in a puff of smoke.
Swear away Steven-my language has deteriorated throughout this too.
Dressage rider: I think they are resting their hopes on getting rid of Trump. Should he win again, they’ll have to come up with another cunning plan-a bit like SOME remainers really.
I am an American (I’m also British). Oh….. Trump will win. The biggest goddamn landslide in history. Americans are FURIOUS. Just not the ones you’ll ever see covered on TV. I know one person voting for Biden…. all the Democrat voters are going Trump.
Incidentally… I don’t think the election has anything to do with Coronahysteria. Nor Brexit. No one in Spain, for example, gives two shits about what is going on in US or UK politics. It’s narcissism to think they would.
Just read a news item on mass evacuation in Vietnam, https://news.sky.com/story/vietnam-evacuating-80-000-people-from-city-after-three-positive-coronavirus-tests-12037025
All this testing just seems to be unearthing more witches in the broom cupboard, it is starting to look like a dog chasing its tail or King Canute trying to hold back the tide. ‘How many lockdowns can the world survive, until they just have to see, this virus my friend is blowing in the wind, this virus is blowing in the wind’. Mankind seems convinced it can beat it, I rather feel this virus is having the last laugh!
Anyone see how the ‘deaths’ from Covid is now being replaced by the ‘cases’ of Covid in the MSM narrative?
Odd, isn’t it?
But self-explantory once one cuts through the BS!
Has been for a while. And when ‘cases’ don’t cut it anymore, it will be ‘tests’, which of course will continue to rise.
There’s no obvious definition of a “case.” It keeps changing, so we don’t know if it’s someone admitted to hospital due to CV19, or someone who’s tested positive.
Not “now being”. I can’t remember the last report I saw that actually referenced increasing death numbers or a significant increase in hospitalisations/ICU admissions, except in the context of a possible autumn/winter second wave. It’s all been about “cases” for weeks now.
Ultra paranoia and gross stupidity.