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Boris Johnson is Mistaken About His Mistakes

PM: “I didn’t have a clue about the virus back in March and I still don’t Laura.”

In an interview with Laura Kuenssberg for the BBC to mark his first anniversary of becoming Prime Minister, Boris Johnson admitted to having made mistakes in his initial response to the pandemic. Unfortunately, they were the wrong mistakes.

I think it’s fair to say that there are things that we need to learn about how we handled it in the early stages… There will be plenty of opportunities to learn the lessons of what happened.

Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done, or done differently.

We didn’t understand [the virus] in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months.

The single thing that we didn’t see at the beginning is the extent to which is was being transmitted asymptomatically from person to person. That wasn’t clear to us or to anybody.

What people really want to focus on now is what are we doing to prepare for the next phase.

Not clear to anybody? What nonsense is this? There was plenty of speculation that the virus could be transmitted by asymptomatic carriers from almost the first moment it was identified. In late January, Dr Anthony Fauci told CNN: “There’s no doubt after reading this paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring.”

The paper he was referring too was a study published on January 30th in the New England Journal of Medicine.

But we now know there’s reason to doubt these preliminary research findings. At a WHO press conference on June 8th, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on the pandemic, said:

We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.

From the papers that are published there’s one that came out from Singapore looking at a long-term care facility. There are some household transmission studies where you follow individuals over time and you look at the proportion of those that transmit onwards.

We are constantly looking at this data and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question. It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.

This caused a sensation at the time and the WHO subsequently issued a “clarification” saying that it simply don’t know whether the virus can be transmitted by people who are genuinely asymptomatic.

Dr Van Kerkhove’s admission was a “gaffe” in the classic sense of the word: when someone in a position of authority inadvertently tells the truth.

So Boris is (sort of) admitting that he should have imposed a lockdown earlier, even though he shouldn’t, and claiming the reason he didn’t is because he hadn’t realised back then that scientists studying the disease wrongly assumed asymptomatic transmission was a key driver of the pandemic, even though every man and his dog thought that back in March. However, he has now embraced this assumption – just when we have good reason to doubt it – and is now fully prepared for the next wave, i.e. the Government will repeat the same mistake it made in March and indiscriminately lock up the healthy as well as the sick this winter.

Meanwhile, on a walkabout in the Tollgate Medical Centre in Beckton, Boris said we wouldn’t have defeated the virus until “the middle of next year” and hinted that we would still be forced to wear masks in shops (and possibly the workplace) until then.

Give me strength.

New Essay by Guy de la Bédoyère

Victorian state premier Daniel Andrews keeps on eye on his disobedient citizens

I’m publishing a great new essay today by the historian and regular Lockdown Sceptics contributor Guy de la Bédoyère. The meat of it is an account of the dire situation in the state of Victoria in Australia, where the incompetent state premier Daniel Andrews has imposed a second lockdown. But there’s some great stuff before that in which Guy vents his frustration about mandatory face nappies:

One of my former colleagues has a nurse for a daughter and she has thrown herself with characteristic zealotry into the role of being the mother of a saint. Not only has she busied herself at her sewing machine churning out scrubs but also proclaimed her righteous joy in the ostentatious wearing of masks. She does this, she says, not because she’s scared, because she isn’t (so she says), but because of her solidarity with the legions of angels in the NHS, “it’s the right thing to do”, and she is doing it for the wider good of the community. She might as well have called the latter Volksgemeinschaft.

There is an ominous and crazy religious tone to all this, and she is not alone in exhibiting an inclination to participate in Covid Cult Culture. Masks have rapidly become the symbol of moral superiority, amounting almost to being a badge denoting membership of the Party. Wear a mask and you’re a good person, conspicuously virtue-signalling in public. Don’t wear one and you’re a bad person, a lesser being, a walking symbol of the fear that stalks the streets. In short, you risk becoming the Devil’s hand-servant, a pariah, an enemy of the state. No matter that even surgical masks are only tested on their Bacterial Filtration Efficiency (BFE) (European Standard EN14683:2019) and splash resistance – viruses don’t come into it. Cheapo face-covering masks don’t even meet that standard. Viruses, which are much smaller, don’t come into it – the efficacy is really only limited to splash resistance. If you want a mask that stops viruses you have to have a respirator-type mask.

Worth reading in full.

More Masks Than Jellyfish in the Sea

Joffrey Peltier of French environmentalist non-profit Opération Mer Propre catches the wrong kind of fish

Anyone who’s been on a country walk recently will have seen discarded masks despoiling the natural environment. (I even saw some in the Dolomites on my recent visit to Italy.) But the situation threatens to become even worse in the world’s oceans. According to a story in the Guardian:

Conservationists have warned that the coronavirus pandemic could spark a surge in ocean pollution – adding to a glut of plastic waste that already threatens marine life – after finding disposable masks floating like jellyfish and waterlogged latex gloves scattered across seabeds.

The French non-profit Opération Mer Propre, whose activities include regularly picking up litter along the Côte d’Azur, began sounding the alarm late last month.

Divers had found what Joffrey Peltier of the organisation described as “Covid waste” – dozens of gloves, masks and bottles of hand sanitiser beneath the waves of the Mediterranean, mixed in with the usual litter of disposable cups and aluminium cans.

CNN broadcast a similar report last month:

Beaches on the French Côte d’Azur like Cannes or St. Tropez are among the most coveted vacation spots worldwide, but now the coronavirus pandemic has left an abundance of pollutants in the water: discarded masks and gloves.

“How would you like swimming with COVID-19 this summer?” Laurent Lombard, a diver and founder of the nonprofit Opération Mer Propre (Operation Clean Sea) asked in a Facebook post last month.

Wall St Journal Op Ed Section Sees Off Woke Mob

The Wall St Journal‘s editorial board responds to attempts by snowflake junior staffers to censor conservative content

I’m a huge fan of the Wall St Journal‘s op ed page, which I’ve contributed to many times. It is one of the last outposts of classical liberalism in America’s mainstream media. Consequently, I was alarmed when a letter signed by 280 Wall St Journal reporters, condemning the opinion pages for spreading “misinformation” (woke-speak for conservative views), was leaked last week. Would the paper’s editorial board buckle in response to a revolt by junior staff, mimicking what happened at the New York Times last month? Thankfully not. The editorial board published a robust response yesterday:

It was probably inevitable that the wave of progressive cancel culture would arrive at the Journal, as it has at nearly every other cultural, business, academic and journalistic institution. But we are not the New York Times. Most Journal reporters attempt to cover the news fairly and down the middle, and our opinion pages offer an alternative to the uniform progressive views that dominate nearly all of today’s media.

As long as our proprietors allow us the privilege to do so, the opinion pages will continue to publish contributors who speak their minds within the tradition of vigorous, reasoned discourse. And these columns will continue to promote the principles of free people and free markets, which are more important than ever in what is a culture of growing progressive conformity and intolerance.

Worth reading in full.

Meanwhile, Barbara Kay, a longstanding conservative columnist at Canada’s National Post, has resigned. It seems the editorial board of the Post is not as robust as its counterpart at the Journal. Shame. Kay is a great columnist.

Round-Up

Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “New Rules” by Dia Lupa.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Note to the Good Folks Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, but they became a magnet for spam (apologies for mixed metaphor) so we’ve temporarily closed them. However, we can open them again if some readers volunteer to be moderators. If you’d like to do this, please email Ian Rons, the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster, here.

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And Finally…

Man finds new use for face nappy

This brave soul walked down Oxford St yesterday wearing a face mask – and nothing else! The Evening Standard, which has several photographs of the gentleman, does not disclose whether he was allowed into H&M or Top Shop.

Meanwhile, a reader points out how ineffective masks have been in South Africa:

They made masks compulsory outside the home on May 1st, when they had 5,951 cases.

Now they’ve had 408,502 cases.

“Imagine how bad it would have been without the masks” is the response of believers in the new religion of face masks.

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BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

I watched The Post last night (again), about the WaPo and the Pentagon Papers / Vietnam War. It struck me that this is kinda the same, having got themselves into it, the Gov (or in the case of Vietnam, successive governments) didn’t know how to get out of it, and didn’t want to be the one to ‘lose the war’. The McNamara Report made it plain that they knew they couldn’t win, that they were lying to the American people, that they kept on sending boys to die knowing it was a disaster, but they kept on lying, talking about making progress, defeating communism etc etc. They even commissioned the McNamara Report for ‘posterity’ so that the war could be understood with the benefit of ‘hindsight’ – it was never intended to be leaked or read until it and they were long gone.

I know a Tory grandee, he keeps telling me re Lockdown ‘it’s just politics’ and all recrimination and analysis will have to be done in retrospect.

Like the war, I think until the press start asking some serious questions, and young people start getting angry about their future being robbed, we’re in this for the long haul.… Read more »

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

You’re analogy with ‘The Post’ struck me too – but particularly in the way that there were , then at least, elements of real journalism around that actually did investigation. Not now.

“… [like the]War on Terror, nobody was ready to look at that critically until it was over.”

Not actually true – that march in London was the biggest ever; a large section of the population was highly suspicious of the official narrative – very different from today’ compliant acceptance.

Similarly with the protests against the Vietnam war in the 60s in both the US and here – with the episode in ‘The Post’ being followed up by the toppling of Nixon over Watergate.

We have gone backwards.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

Of course, the ludicrously termed ‘government’ is playing the Catch-22 game.

They are ensuring that their narrative cannot be disproved by preventing normal life (which would show up the developed mildness and lack of current spread of this virus). So:

  • If real illness continues to decrease, it will be attributed to the success of government measures – no matter how unsupported by proper evidence.
  • If ‘cases’ (stray bits of RNA possibly indicating viral presence) increase, it will be a ‘warning’ against slackening measures
  • If actual illness – diagnosed by hospital admissions increases, it will indicate a need to maintain and increase social destruction – no matter what the statistical analysis actually shows.

Draw your own conclusions about motives for this double bind – there’s a few to list.

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You’re spot on with your analysis!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

It’s okay folks tony lairb is speaking out tiday from his very own institute /foundation. Creepy voice more creepy than ever. Ex PMs should just shut up. But not globalist lairb. He tells the UK we need to create tge infrastructure to live along side corona forever. He now talks russia where he uses ‘should’ alot.

His interview was a giant nothing burger and yet his creepy half wispered urgency intoned creepfest interview probably gives some of tge ‘deep state’ plans away. Prepare to live with this for a long time unless we burn down the establishment.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Blair = WMD
Johnson = VMD

Story-tellers, not statesmen.

Me – I’m a Blairite. ‘Eric’ by name. He’s the one who sussed the bullshit of the time.

Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
6 years ago

I despair.Our town today noticeably more deserted than usual.

Went to local conv shop.I told him last week I would not be wearing a mask,he was lovely as usual.There today,he served me,then told the one other customer in shop to put his mask on.I have never felt so uncomfortable.I want no *favours* from shop keepers.Will not go back.

Is this really how people want to live?they just want more lockdowns,more masks……My town will never ever be the same again.Feeling sick to my stomach right now.

Lili
Lili
6 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

Hang in there, Kelly. It’s early days and we’re in the vanguard of this fight out of the dystopian nightmare.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
6 years ago

Anybody else noticed the Corona Cognitive Filter effect?

Gov says “Wear masks, they have a small effect in protecting others“.

Parsed through the bedwetters’ CCF, this becomes:

“A mask will protect me for sure and we all have to wear them because the virus has got worse, starting on Friday”.

IMoz
IMoz
6 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes
RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

It’s hopeless to try to construct a rational narrative from goverment political propagada. It’s oxymoronic.

True infection has dribbled away to practically nothing – even given that everything recorded as ‘Covid’ isn’t. That’s happened without any significant use of masks. So you don’t have to be Einstein to draw the most likely conclusion.

mjr
mjr
6 years ago
Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago

Understatement of the year (Dominic Raab):

Holidaymakers faced with this abrupt change in policy may find it “inconvenient” but the Government must be able to take “targeted measures” if and when the situation requires it…

Yes, just a little bit of inconvenience.

Major Panic
Major Panic
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

measured lawyer speak

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

One would almost be tempted to believe that Raab has let slip the true purpose of these essentially arbitrary, sudden decrees, which is in fact merely to habituate people to obedience to such commandments. For the Greater Good, of course.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yep, it’s not incompetence or craziness. It’s wicked (in the traditional sense).

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
6 years ago

Who would have thunk it, correlation (obviously not causation) between Coronovirus and literal bed wetting…

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/172-bizarre-coronavirus-symptoms-long-18660624

I wouldn’t bother reading beyond the headline though as it is pure fear porn drivel. 172 symptoms FFS.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Tiredness causing sleep for 7-8 hours every night
Shortness of breath after exercise
Hair loss
Old age
Hunger at various times of the day

The list is endless.

Major Panic
Major Panic
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Bloody hell, I’m off for a test…

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
6 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic

Mate of mine had a blood test. They found it all round his body!!!

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Glad to see that bed wetting is one though

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago

My husband and I have decided that we will not vote in future for the monster raving loony party. Instead we will vote for The Monster Raving Loony Party.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

I am hoping an alternative political moment is going to emerge from the current mess.

The current crop of political parties have nothing to offer free thinking people.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Democracy is cancelled.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

If it saves just one life it should be cancelled.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Not if it’s the PM’s political life!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Yes but, as (I think) Mark Twain said, if voting changed anything, they wouldn’t let us do it.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Would that one could – but for many (most?), we just keep getting the standard offerings. Even at the last GE, when I contributed a decent amount to the Brexit Party, they just took the money and, shortly afterwards, stood down most of their candidates, including that for my area. If even the Brexit Party (and, probably any follow-on Reform Party) does that, you know that politics and treachery (after pocketing the cheques, of course) go hand-in-hand.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

In fairness, the Brexit Party was a single issue party and you could definitely make a case that focusing resources against particular Remain candidates was probably the best way to achieve their goal. Though of course the proof of that pudding will only be in the ultimate eating thereof, and we aren’t quite there yet.

What we need now is something very different – a wholesale replacement of our political elite, which has proved itself unfit for purpose with its coronapanic response. The problem is, much of our modern culture along with pretty much our entire cultural, social and other elites are clearly similarly unfit for purpose….

In the past I think such situations have generally been resolved by external conquest and wholesale destruction and rebuilding from the ground up.

Mark II
Mark II
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I’d suggest this is primarily down to farage and his odious pals. Taking money from naive supporters and keeping it for themselves. Those who put themselves forward to be MPs were, as I understand it, for the most part at least, passionate locals who had every intention of standing and committing to whatever manifesto might have eventually come out – I believe they were even conned into paying for the privilege of standing and weren’t given their money back?

Farage is of course just a con man, like Boris, like Blair, like corbyn and others – theyre just all conning a different group of people.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

People voted for it last year – and got what they voted for 🙂

Major Panic
Major Panic
6 years ago

Oxford are close to a wonder vaccine that ‘takes the edge off symptoms’…

So the people they use as guinea pigs are healthy specimens with good immune systems and generally not or lightly effected by the nasty cough – so how can they know that the vaccine doesn’t make the ‘symptoms’ worse? Every individual is different.

The sooner any vaccine is brought out ,even if it is a placebo, the better – C19 fear is now a cult, so the reality war is lost – get the bedwetters jabbed and lets get back to normal

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic

Agree use saline it will do the job ,cos we cant continue like this,

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic

Suggest Phase III is not going as smoothly due to side effects in the older, less well cohort. Professor Gilbert is parading the narrative ‘I am working day and night to save the world, I am so tired I cannot eat and sleep’, to deflect. Coupled with the ‘I am such an ordinary girl, I was so brilliant at school, but I simply didn’t know the Oxford application process so I went to University of East Anglia’. I call Bullshit!

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago

The University of East Anglia was where they altered figures to push the global warming bollocks.

Proudtobeapeasant
Proudtobeapeasant
6 years ago

Can anyone please tell me if there is a way to search comments on here, either to see if anyone has replied to one’s own comment or to see what a particular person has said? (Now I’ll have to wait here for a few minutes to see if someone replies!)

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

Tony Blair was on Sophie Ridge on Sunday earlier stating that the evidence for masks is clear. Countries that have widespread mask usage have done well.

On that basis the evidence for lockdowns is clear. Countries that have longer and stricter lockdowns have higher mortality rates.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Spain ? Strictest lockdown in europe infections back up but its death that counts 3 yesterday MAINTAIN THE FEAR

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Countries that have widespread mask usage have done well.

Yeah and you’ll find Iraq full of WMD

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Does Blair ever go shopping d’y think? Has he been seen out and about wearing a mask?

Harry Hopkins
Harry Hopkins
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

And of course, if you didn’t already know, Iraq has enough ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to destroy the entire world. The only thing that keeps this mass murderer, Blair, in the news is his billionaire backers who are intent on evil.
Blair truly is, himself, a ‘weapon of mass destruction’ and the one good thing that his regular media appearances do is to remind those of us who recognise this fact is just how corrupt the MSM are.
His pronouncements do have their uses however. If you listen to him and then believe exactly the opposite to what he says then you won’t go far wrong.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I know the reason he got a Third in Law from Oxford – he was moonlighting in the Biochem labs

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

He blagged the Third after his viva voce.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

“Tony Blair….. stating that the evidence for masks is clear.”

End of debate, that’s pretty irrefutable evidence that masks are useless.

Mark II
Mark II
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Was anyone on that even bothered to challenge that primary school level of reasoning? To point out to him that that is not ‘evidence’ of anything?

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

I still see a lot references to keep a distance of 2 meters. What happened to the 1 meter plus rule?

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Social-Distance swervery is very much on the up right now. However that might be because the terrified are finally coming out to play.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

My wife sneezed in a shop the other day. Some of the customers were left hanging from the display units lol!

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

lol, yes sneezing in public is actually HILARIOUS.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The girl behind the counter, all decked out in PPE, was in hysterics

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I was cycling up to two potential swervers a while ago now and I sneezed, they were 20 feet away at least, it was one of those “out-the-blue” sneezes, the look of horror on their faces was just amazing. So funny.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Sneezing? Ah, yes the thing that’s never been mentioned as a symptom. Corona Cognitive Filter again.

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic
  • Most days I find myself sneezing – it’s usually when out on the fell though when I’m on my todd.
Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Next time hold out a hankie and threaten to not use it.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Well, at least it wasn’t your wife who ended that way! (Humourous comment – for the moment anyway).

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/ZaminIqbal/status/1287136287368138755/photo/1
This graph from US shows detection rates of all respiratory viruses except Sasr-Cov2.The coronaviruses in the graph are our ordinary ones. Interesting to see how Sars-Cov2 presses down all other viruses. How can we be sure in the UK that we would have both a flu epidemic and Sars-Cov2 epidemic at the same time next winter? The caveat is that we do not know if there are much co-infection in Covid-19. Everybody would judge a pos PCR test as indication of disease and not doing further tests for other agents. This could be a problem as you can have dead virus fragments of Sars-Cov2 up to 12 weeks.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html

James Leary
James Leary
6 years ago

Is Spain the result of testing? Asymptomatic or symptomatic testing? Percentage of tests positive/negative? Hospitalisation numbers? Death numbers in same areas? BBC Online KNOWS it’s THE second wave.
Coronavirus: Spain drives fears of European ‘second wave’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53539015

Project Fear Mk? It will morph into a demand to rescind Brexit shortly. Remoaners may not have caused this, but they are running with it.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  James Leary

I think Brexit is cancelled, I also think the EU is cancelled. There won’t be much left of the EU to leave after this.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The wonderful free movement that the remainers so loved was the first casualty of this.At the first sign of trouble every country went their own way and left each other to it.A brilliant example of why the E U is unworkable.

Sylvie
Sylvie
6 years ago

And of course has been unworkable for ooh, what, over 60 years? And continues to be? Yeah, right…

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

Except of course for the escorted cross-channel crossings by small boats!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  James Leary

I note that the talks, which were due to end at the end of July (or was it June?) have now been extended up to the end of October – though it didn’t say which year where I read that!

Is Johnson going for a T.May – copyright version of ‘leaving’ the EUrinal?

Mark II
Mark II
6 years ago
Reply to  James Leary

Posted the same thing twice, 10 hours apart… odd behaviour. Didn’t get your desired replies first time round?

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

Work remotely in Barbados for a year? Sounds very appealing:

https://www.insider.com/work-remote-live-caribbean-barbados-new-visa-2020-7

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago

Spain have tested themselves out of the tourist £’s – idiots! Testing is the virus!

I was out delivering Chinese last night and had to fill up the car. I was hoping I would be turned away with no nappy on – but no such luck. The station is also a spar shop, there were a couple of people shopping and one person paying for stuff. Nobody, including the person serving, were nappied up.

A lady was walking towards the shop and lifted a John Wayne style necker over her nose – we weren’t sure if she wasn’t going to pull out a gun and rob the place. But when she realised no one else had bothered she dropped the nappy looking a little sheepish.

I think if people see others not wearing nappies they will have confidence to follow suit so keep up the good fight.

There are some that feel very pleased with themselves with their nappies on – well I prefer those types nappied up anyway.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago

Was in my local Spar yesterday (unmasked) and the shop assistants were following me around, watching me at the ends of the aisles. Not a word from them but it was quite comical being treated like an extremely dangerous shoplifter.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

well if you haven’t got a nappy strapped on you are clearly suspicious, alien even…

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago

https://euro weekly news.com
Video posted 2 days ago. The Spanish foreign minister says that Spain is NOT facing a second wave. The outbreaks are small- a house, a salon etc.. They have done more testing so are finding more cases. The outbreaks are being contained.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Proves my point – increased testing leads to increased ‘infection’ numbers BUT the CPR test is notoriously unreliable with many false positives

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Sorry- fat fingers again!
https://euroweekly.com

mjr
mjr
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

i was reading up on a local Andalucian english news blog last week. Andalucia which has gone the full masks indoors masks outdoors had had a couple of outbreaks in Malaga and in Granada. Small numbers, all contained

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Isn’t it interesting how outbreaks and waves have different definitions depending on who it favours most.

Amin Mohammed-Coleman
Amin Mohammed-Coleman
6 years ago

Anyone seen this:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-potentially-infectious-people

Especially this bit:
“ PHO may direct, remove or request a constable to remove, an individual to a place suitable for screening and assessment.
The time such person is required to remain at the place for screening and assessment cannot exceed 48 hours.” Holy shit! The government has truly lost it.

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
6 years ago

Yes I was aware of this after reading about it in the coronavirus act when it was published a week before lockdown back in March.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Just got this through the Daily fail’s censorbot not that it will do much good as the sheeple will go baaaaah and down vote along with the 77th but it made me feel good:

More psychological conditioning of the population going on. A few points to ponder: Why are “cases” in Spain increasing? They have worn masks in more places for longer than the UK and if masks worked they numbers should be dropping. Is it because more testing is being done? 2 – With the increase in testing the positive rate is pretty constant and wishing the percentage of false positives that happen. If a new outbreak was occurring the positive rate would increase dramatically. Why isn’t it? 3 – A positive test does not mean that you re suffering from any virus, they have just picked up some viral genetic material in the sample. It means nothing so why keep up the pretence it does? 4 – If there was a new outbreak hospital admissions and deaths would be rising dramatically but they are not. Why not? All over Europe deaths have been below 5 years averages for nearly 6 weeks now so a new outbreak is not… Read more »

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

The WHO and most governments seem to be playing Animal Crossing, just collecting tokens for the sake of it. A bit like when you go to the amusement arcade and get those tickets every time you play. You end up with millions of tickets, but they don’t really amount to any value.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Just to add, I’m talking about case numbers

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

What you mean is “case” numbers (with quotation marks) – i.e. not infections or illness.

As you say, it’s a game called ‘Self-Fulfilling Prophecy’, and it’s one that the Mengele brigade are addicted to so that (as said above) and indication (not actual ‘presence’ of a vaguely similar RNA fragment from an exponential growth in testing can be called ‘a case’.

The confected nature of this plague scenario gets clearer by the day, at a time when a representative government really intent on the health of its population would be getting everything back to normal.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Addiction might be the key word. It’s this obsession with collecting and broadcasting this data that’s at the heart of the problem.

Will
Will
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

We are engaged in a pointless exercise to cover up governments and the WHO getting this whole business completely wrong.

Wendy
Wendy
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Just to add this is confirmed in England by my critical care dr friend – no new admissions to his hospital!!!

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/files/2020_07_RelativeCV19RiskPerOccupation_Sweden.pdf
Relative risk for Covid-19 for different occupation,Sweden.No risk for teachers

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Certainly no risk for teachers in the UK – at least until they get up off their comfy sofas!

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

The importance of this findings from Sweden is very high, almost a proof that schools are safe. Sweden had no lockdown and 80% more cases per million than UK. All primary schools open, when this disease was spreading. This must be one of the biggest mistake in the UK response. We knew already in March that children were rarely affected in China and South Korea. Closing schools will always affect up to 20-25% of care and NHS staff, the type of occupation you really need in a pandemic, even more so because of the age profile of severe cases. Disastrous mistake.

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The only word I’d question is ‘mistake’ – ???

mjr
mjr
6 years ago

local mini mart for sunday papers. I had told them last week i wouldnt be masked. The shop had a couple of posters on the door requesting masks – but i think someone had been going round the shops putting them up. They had said they wouldnt be bothered and they werent . Good natter about footy and a pleasant experience. No other shoppers there… although as i was leaving a lady came in and lifted her scarf.

Biggles
Biggles
6 years ago
Reply to  mjr

I went to my local mini mart this morning for the Sunday paper but had a different response. I’m served by a guy who must be in his early 30s. He hasn’t worn a mask before but had one on today. Was greeted with ‘You’re supposed to be wearing a mask when you come into the shop’, to which I replied ‘Not when you have a medical exemption, you don’t’ (I have asthma). It will be interesting to see what happens next week. Any more hassle and I will be going elsewhere.

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago

Anyone out there think that this quarantine is another ”Leicester” mullarkey? The government are doing another “whack a mole” to show that they can do this on a grand scale as well as a small scale.

I can’t remember which government spokesperson said it, but it was implied last week that any shut down would have to be on a national scale rather than a regional one as they couldn’t guarantee where people would have travelled during their holiday.

Then this,
A Spanish foreign ministry spokeswoman said the country was safe with only localised, isolated and controlled outbreaks-a bit like the U.K. then?

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

There are flights due in from Spain this morning, how are they the passengers to get home without infecting transport workers ?
(sarc).

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Wear a mask!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

Ooops, you missed off the /sarc !

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Looks very much like another Leicester to me, though they could have chosen a slightly less popular country. The quarantine applies to mainland + islands, but FCO only advising against travel to mainland, so anyone coming from the Islands will have to quarantine but won’t be able to claim on travel insurace

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Another silly act in this stupid pantomine of concealing the natural immunity. I reckon early next year it’ll be in an self-congratulatory, arse-pulled report saying we stopped a second wave, now forget about the big lies/errors.

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

The Thick Of It series 2, episode 2
‘Let’s ban sandcastles. . .’
Malcolm Tucker.

Will
Will
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

That is exactly what has been going on since the middle of April when it became clear that Ferguson’s modelling was cat litter.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

I think the Spanish foreign minister has just said Spain will impose quarantine on incoming British travellers unless the UK government removes the restrictions, so tit-for-tat!

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret
Major Panic
Major Panic
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Its about the bedwetters seeing ‘the right thing done at the right time’ – also known as politics

Biker
Biker
6 years ago

another day in HMP that is Great Britain, ain’t it fucking great.

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Good Morning Scotland!

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

i read that in the voice of Robin Williams

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

My sentiments exactly Biker. Yesterday was a day I’d like to forget. My marriage is currently being tested to the max. Forget the scorn from the proles, I can deal with them. Having a partner at odds with your own skepticism does not make for an enjoyable supermarket shopping experience.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

The solution there is send her to the supermarket without you, after all she’ll be doing the cooking and cleaning anyway so there is no real need to go.

Court
Court
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

My wife just wants a quiet life, which I can understand. But she still wont be shopping as a pastime for the foreseeable. She can do what she wants but there’s no way in hell either of my kids will be masked up ever.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  Court

Did somebody say Just Eat? 🎶

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Good Morning to all our Scottish Freedom Loving Brethren.
As we further slide deeper into dystopia I can confirm after visiting a few stores yesterday that HMP not so Great Britain is utterly awful.
The Horror The Horror .

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

Does anyone see a link between attitudes to Covid and the ‘somewheres’ versus ‘anywheres’ divide? I was wondering if acceptance of living life through Zoom might be seen as a literal acceptance of being ‘anywhere’, not to mention masks making us all anonymous and seemingly the same, interchangeable.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

This might be of interest – someone on here a few days ago brought up the matter of Austrian School free market economics. On ZeroHedge from Mises Institute:

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/new-opportunities-marxists-climate-change-and-coronavirus

Sylvie
Sylvie
6 years ago

Diverting, certainly:
‘It should also be noted here that pure capitalism encourages the division of labor among people, nationally and internationally. This, in turn, entices people to seek peaceful cooperation rather than conflict: everyone realizes that it pays off to cooperate, that this is mutually beneficial to all parties involved. In other words: pure capitalism is a recipe for peace. In a world of pure capitalism, there would simply be no reason for large-scale violent conflicts, let alone state wars.’
So in other words, most of the 19th century was a huge mistake – hilarious!

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

“… pure capitalism encourages the division of labor among people, nationally and internationally. This, in turn, entices people to seek peaceful cooperation rather than conflict”

Zoom!!! – Pigs flying all over the sky in that LaLa Land :-))

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://kvf.fo/greinar/2020/07/25/23-positive-covid-19-tests-russian-trawler
Faroe Islands has been free of Covid-19 for quite a long time.62 % of the population has been tested. Now suddenly 23 cases. The usual picture. A Russian trawler in one of the ports. First one crew hospitalised for corona, then 23 of 30 tested crew members PCR pos and still 47 more to test. All asymptomatic, I think. None of the crew members has left the ship except for the hospitalized case. Four visiting Faroe islanders on the ship is not considered to be at risk.Even a remotely rather isolated islands will be affected by Covid-19. Unfortunately also a visiting non-Faroe islander family on a SAS flight to Faroe Island has the same day also tested positive in one member. The Chief Medical Officer Faroe Island thinks it will be very difficult to contact trace all passengers.If tiny Faroe Islands have these difficulties to keep out Covid-19,think of New Zealand.You cannot stop this virus in the end.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Yep, New Zealotland will get its yet!

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

NZ might have a problem

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FiFiTrixabelle
FiFiTrixabelle
6 years ago

Morning!
Following a sleepless night as a result of the announcement re quarantine rules for those returning from Spain (my daughter flies back from Barcelona on Thursday, we have a planned Graduation Party for family and friends 8 days after), I’m now getting even more angry than I’ve been over the muzzle debacle.
1. Why no notice? If we can get 10 days notice on mask wearing, why not the same on this policy? Do we just enjoy watching the fall out for those currently on holiday, those now cancelling their holidays and the travel firms/airlines being thrown into turmoil, WITH NO NOTICE?
2. What are the current figures? I just see ‘an increase in cases’ being cited, can anyone shed any light?
3. WHY NOT INTRODUCE TESTING ON ARRIVAL? Are we so incompetent that this can’t be organised? Greece manage, why can’t we?
4. How will it be policed? Handy helpful tips on the BBC website which tells me about fines, not using public transport and only going out for food if no-one else can do so on your behalf. Are they for real?
5. Fully reliant on employers supporting this for those who can’t go back to work.… Read more »

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

1 Extreme Risk
2 No idea
3 Incubation period
4 No idea
5 No

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

All part of Carrie’s Boris’s green anti-travel agenda!

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I thought that when the original quarantine was brought in.It was too late to be of any use.The only consequence is to be the bankrupting of the mass travel firms and airlines.

Bill Hickling
Bill Hickling
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

My sympathies. My son works in travel so this will just torpedo any slight recovery they have been seeing. A bone-headed overreaction driven by their science committees without consideration for the wider effects.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

Answer to all. The government are total fckwits

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

Absolutely right. They haven’t a clue what they are doing, and nothing seems to make sense. Testing on-arrival would be easy to arrange. Test stations around the country are turning round results in less than 24hrs.

Keen cook
Keen cook
6 years ago
Reply to  FiFiTrixabelle

Ignore the entire pronouncement as being the knee jerk reaction it is?

matt
matt
6 years ago

I’ve been thinking about chaos theory.

You know the old chestnut about the butterfly flapping its wings in the Caribbean causing a storm in Japan? It works on the basis that the tiniest action has knock on effects and consequences and that there is a non-zero chance that one or more of those consequences might cause a chain of events that builds to a significant consequence.

The official response to this disease, as well as the group think response is based on exactly this thinking. There is a non-zero chance that I might be infected with the virus without knowing it. There is a non-zero chance that asymptomatic spread is a thing and so a non-zero chance that I might infect someone else, who might infect someone else and so on until someone’s granny catches the virus and dies. Taken across an entire population, you end up with an absolute certainty of death at the end of the chain. If we remain free to interact with each other, we are all collectively guilty of being granny killers.

As an aside – this is always true and always has been forever, even before there was such a thing as… Read more »

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Yes, some climate scientists and many mathematicians have wondered about possible effects of the forests of windfarms and possible effects on global air circulation patterns and, hence, on our climate. Air movements are of course a very well-known class of non-linear dynamic systems – the sort which will under certain conditions develop chaotically , in the mathematical sense of chaos theory!

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’ve thought about that recently along with Nassim Taleb’s proposal that wearing masks is better than not due to the low probability but high impact risk. On paper it looks reasonable but just like with the butterfly effect, it’s all about the system conditions and assumptions.

In Taleb’s case he makes a Pascal’s Wager, simplifying probability. When scientists say there is no evidence that masks work to stop transmission his point is that this is lack of evidence rather than no evidence and hence there is a probability that masks do work. The problem is that this is selective reasoning. For a system there is also the case where something works locally one way then works completely different when in a system context (the Fallacy of Composition). Taking Taleb’s reasoning there is also a chance the mask make things much worse – they just redirect the risk. So the default case is we don’t know.

But it also brings in the concept of the butterfly. The effect of the wings can only occur in a fully coupled system, one were noise is not enough to prevent the escalating effect. And that just doesn’t happen (except in very special… Read more »

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Thank you for taking the trouble to write all this but it is all too deep for me. Though I think what you are saying is that mask wearing may well not have the effect the government hopes it will have.

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago

Good morning Ned of the Hills

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Though I think it’s pretty obvious that the masks people are wearing are useless for the intended purpose.

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Yes I agree but Taleb’s problem is he restricts the possibilties of his model. Which ironically is what his whole Antifragile idea is about. Another point is that say masks are useful in a local setting? Does that apply to the system?

It doesn’t always follow because you don’t see or understand the whole system. Whose purpose as far as we can see is to minimise energy.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Disappointing if Taleb of all people is making such an elementary mistake as you describe.

As far as the UK is concerned there’s no evidence of any risk of spreading the infection (most likely the epidemic is done and we have passed the herd immunity threshold for the current conditions, and there’s virtually zero risk of catching the thing, multiplied by virtually zero risk of serious medical consequences, for the vast majority.

Maybe he’s counting death as effectively infinite loss, but if so he’s making a fundamental error right there, just as if he’s counting wearing a mask as effectively zero cost.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

The butterfly effect has been happening since the universe began. Everything that’s happened in the past has led us to where we are in the present.

Most attempts to attribute cause and effect are little more than a mental exercise.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

Saw some of a programme about Diana last night. We may sometimes imagine that the British public have lost their way relatively recently, but if you go all the way back to 1997, you will find that they were just as wet, sentimental and sheep-like then. The recent ‘clapping’ for the NHS was the same as the weird applause for Diana’s coffin on the day of the funeral.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I was only 21 at the time but, not just in retrospect but in the moment, that was the point when I realised this wasn’t the country that I thought it was.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

That was my feeling too. A strange week and hard to believe it is now almost a quarter of a century ago.

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I remember Blair’s speech “the people’s princess”. He was so well controlled, he could have been an actor. In those early days he was exceptional at spin and using popular sentiment.
When seeing Boris trying to use NHS worship to do a similar thing, I see a stark contrast in ability.

You’re right that the cultural changes have been a long time coming. For me it’s been happening without me noticing.

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Went to the pub, without telly, when the funeral was on.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I went for a long, all day walk. Bliss.

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I could never understand the Diana worship. I appreciated her many talents but she always seemed to me very manipulative. Prince Harry has inherited his mother’s flaws.The widely accepted narrative of her death (“victim” of an intrusive press and “killed” by the chasing paparazzi) has always struck me as a manipulation of the truth. She chose to live a high-profile lifestyle after her split from Charles. Why was she dining at the Ritz in Paris with her playboy lover and then being driven through the Paris streets late at night with her lover? She could easily have been keeping a low profile in a cottage in the countryside somewhere if she craved the quiet life.

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Likewise nothing against Diana just the wall to wall media coverage, just as now with the Corona.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

True.
But it didn’t last. Attempts by e.g. Althorpe House to cash in on the Di-hysteria proved to be lamentable failures.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Please let this blog be one of the few that are free of anything mentioning the royal family especially saint D

… And What Do You Do?: What The Royal Family Don’t Want You To Know https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1785904914

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve

‘The Strange Death of David Kelly’ is an excellent book – maybe excluding the last chapter.

I’ve not read this one on the Royals, but as the blurb says, Norman is also a Privy Councillor !?

mjr
mjr
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

i remember waking up on the sunday morning to find that ITV BBC1 and BBC2 were all broadcasting rolling news about the death. Only C4 was doing normal programmes. I rang the BBC to complain. I could never understand the devotion to her and her beatification. And the national mourning and how people felt the need to go stand somewhere and emote. And from then on it became the norm which ended up in the clapping …

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

It was a very interesting experience. I cannot remember the exact order of things, but suspect Blair’s impromptu speech was on the Sunday or Monday – it was outside his constituency home and he had his ‘man of the people’ mug of tea in his hand. He had a visible tear in the eye – like any good actor he can turn on the waterworks on demand. People started putting flowers outside Buckingham Palace. I think it must have been mid-week when I went after work with my colleague on our way back from a client meeting. Flowers were four or five deep up The Mall. The biggest surprise was not the mass of flowers, but the number of men (in suits in many cases) stood looking at the flowers in tears. The closest example I can muster is the scene in the Evita film, with Antonio Banderas in the crowd as Madonna starts to sing from the balcony. That Tony Blair chap is some genius!

My view, perhaps conspiratorial, perhaps not. She was pregnant.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago

Diana was murdered by a little car overtaking her car in the tunnel and flashing a bright tactical strobe at Henri Paul, blinding him. It still didn’t finishes her of so they killed her in the ambulance. All the CCTV in Paris that night “went off”…OK sure it did.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Don’t care.

mjr
mjr
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Ah yes — that naughty Duke of Edinburgh

Strange Days
Strange Days
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Dodi was the intended victim, the motive to make his father suffer as much as possible. Diana was collateral damage.

Not sure I really believe the above but it makes sense as Mohamed Al Fayed has certainly made enemies

Court
Court
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

It’s funny you say that, I was only 20 at the time and still remember having heated discussions with my elders about how I thought she was just a media whore who lived and died by the sword.

She did get me a day off work though, which was nice.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago

Well, I just went into a shop for the first time since the compulsory mask nonsense.

It was a small local petrol station, and unbelievably, the guy tried to lock me out and started making mask gestures through the glass door!! He still wouldn’t let me in when I claimed exemption on medical grounds, but offered to serve me at the window. I told him that under no circumstances would I be treated like a leper, along with some other choice words (which I’m not happy about as I wanted to keep my cool) and he opened the door and I got my 4 pints of milk.

Won’t be going back there again, but I went in and got my milk – unmasked!!

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago

They are still doing that at a local newsagent, never been back in two months.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It’s crazy. I mean, I have a borderline medical exemption which would probably put the police off if they ever happened to be there, but it really annoyed me that somebody with a serious condition could be treated in this way. There was no way I was leaving without going in and making a point.

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago

Feeling brave after my Saturday experience I split my Sunday am shop between 6 small stores. Most of the few other shoppers masked, not even a glance from any of the store staff, had my ‘mask exempt card’ in my pocket but did not need to produce it.

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I like acts of bravery!

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Excellent, glad to hear it. After my maskless experiences so far (tube, airport arrivals and now the shop) I’m feeling very good about sticking to my principles. That feeling far outweighs the disapproving looks from the masked ones.

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago

As I have previously opined Boris et al should be asked if they support people refusing to sell comestibles to someone not wearing a mask? If they do then by extention they support part of the population starving another part of the population in to submission.

Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago

Remember the Grand National winner – Comply or Die?

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago

I suppose they pretty much are supporting that.

The odd thing is though that they’ve made the ‘rules’ very easy to get around for anyone who bothers to read them, especially at the large supermarkets who have big legal teams frightened of discrimination claims and hassle for staff.

I have no idea what the government’s game is, my wife is always telling me that I should stop trying to apply logic to their actions!

Julian
Julian
6 years ago

They have made the rules easy to get around so they cannot be accused of being horrid to people with disabilities, medical issues etc, which is taboo these days. In practice, they are relying on propaganda and peer pressure to enforce compliance.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes, very true. If claims of discrimination do arise, they can point to their government exemption cards and deny all responsibility. A bit like how they claim to never have closed schools. What a bunch of criminals.

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