If Wearing a Face Mask Causes You Severe Distress, You Are Exempt

A reader has pointed out that the new Government guidance – “Face coverings: when to wear one and how to make your own” – includes a section entitled “Exemptions to wearing a face covering where they are mandated” that means lockdown sceptics don’t have to wear one. Among the “legitimate reasons” not to wear a mask is “if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress”. I don’t know about you, but having to wear a nappy on my face when I go shopping will cause me severe distress.
Problem solved.
Heather Mac Donald’s Wonderful Jeremiad

If you think I’m a teensy teensy bit over-zealous in my opposition to the lockdown, you haven’t read Heather Mac Donald. I’ve often flagged up the essays and articles of this arch-sceptic in the daily round-ups, but her latest fusillade – a lecture delivered at a Hillsdale College public symposium last month – is a thing of beauty. Here are a few paragraphs to give you a taster:
The politicians’ ignorance about the complexity of economic life was stunning, as was their hypocrisy. To a person, every elected official, every public health expert, and every media pundit who lectured Americans about the need to stay in indefinite lockdown had a secure (“essential”) job. Not one of them feared his employer would go bankrupt. Anyone who warned that the effects of the lockdowns would be more devastating than anything the coronavirus could inflict was accused of being a heartless capitalist who only cared about profits.
But to care about the economy is to care about human life, since the economy is how life is sustained. It is a source of meaning, as well as sustenance, binding humans to each other in a web of voluntary exchange. To its workers, every business is essential, and to many of its customers as well. Even judged by the narrowest possible definition of public health—lives lost—the toll from the lockdowns will exceed that of the virus, due to the cancellation of elective medical procedures, patients’ unnecessary fear of seeking medical treatment, and the psychological effects of unemployment.
In May, politicians started inviting a few scattered sectors of their state economies to reopen, with blue state governors and mayors being particularly parsimonious with their noblesse oblige. These blue state officials invoked “science” to justify yet another arbitrary set of guidelines to determine which businesses would be allowed to start up again and when. “Science,” we were told, dictated the timetable for reopening, based on rates of hospital bed vacancies and new infections.
In fact, the numerical benchmarks, enforced with draconian punctiliousness, seem to have been drawn out of a hat—they certainly had no evidence behind them. But even with official reopenings, many customers will be long reluctant to resume their normal habits of consumption and travel thanks to the uninterrupted fearmongering on the part of the media, the experts, and elected leaders.
Being fantastically risk averse is now a badge of honor, at least among the professional elites. A young tech columnist for The New York Times wrote an op-ed in May about cancelling a restaurant reservation in Missoula, Montana. Missoula County had been virus-free for weeks, and Montana’s case load had been negligible. Nevertheless, the columnist experienced a panic attack after booking a table, contemplating the allegedly lethal risk that awaited him in the reopened restaurant. Rather than being ashamed of his cowardice, the columnist was proud, he wrote, to have bailed out of his reservation in order to continue sheltering in place.
Very much worth reading in full.
The Woke Left is Now Indistinguishable from the Racist Right
The American comedian Ryan Long has produced a very funny two-minute video about the uncanny similarities between the Woke Left and the Racist Right that is a must-watch.
For a longer, more thoughtful exploration of the same theme, read Matt Taibbi’s latest piece on Substack. Entitled “The Left is Now the Right”, he points out that many of the vices that the Left used to ridicule the Right for exhibiting – a censorious approach to art and culture, for instance – have now been enthusiastically embraced by the Left. But most seriously of all, its obsession with race and embrace of Critical Race Theory means it often ends up sounding like the Racist Right.
The National Museum of African American History and Culture created a graphic on “Aspects and Assumptions of White Culture” that declared the following white values: “the scientific method,” “rational, linear thinking,” “the nuclear family,” “children should have their own rooms,” “hard work is the key to success,” “be polite,” “written tradition,” and “self-reliance.” White food is “steak and potatoes; bland is best,” and in white justice, “intent counts.”
The astute observer will notice this graphic could equally have been written by white supremacist Richard Spencer or History of White People parodist Martin Mull. It seems impossible that no one at one of the country’s leading educational institutions noticed this messaging is ludicrously racist, not just to white people but to everyone (what is any person of color supposed to think when he or she reads that self-reliance, politeness, and “linear thinking” are white values?).
The exhibit was inspired by white corporate consultants with Education degrees like Judith Katz and White Fragility author Robin DiAngelo, who themselves echo the work of more consultants with Ed degrees like Glenn Singleton of Courageous Conversations. Per the New York Times, Courageous Conversations even teaches that “written communication over other forms” and “mechanical time” (i.e. clock time) are tools by which “whiteness undercuts Black kids.”
The notion that such bugbears as as time, data, and the written word are racist has caught fire across the United States in the last few weeks, igniting calls for an end to virtually every form of quantitative evaluation in hiring and admissions, including many that were designed specifically to combat racism.
Worth reading in full.
Elusive Report

Yesterday I asked if any readers had come across the report by the Department of Health, the Office of National Statistics (ONS), the Government’s Actuary Department and the Home Office predicting that the collateral damage from the lockdown could be as high as 200,000 deaths. This is the report, published in April supposedly, referred to in a Telegraph article on Sunday.
This sounds a lot like the report that Sir Ian Diamond, head of the Government’s Statistical Service, referred to when he appeared on Marr on May 3rd (admittedly after the supposed publication date in April). He said:
We have a piece from the Office of National Statistics that we’ve done jointly with the Government Actuaries Department, the Home Office and Department of Health coming out in the next few days which will show also a third group which will come out over the next few years where changes in the prioritisation of the Health Service, for example, reductions in cancer screening, will lead to deaths over the next few years.
But where is this report? It wasn’t just referred to by the Telegraph, but by the Daily Mail, the Mirror and Metro as well, although the Telegraph had the story first. It seems the Telegraph was tipped off by Sir Patrick Vallance last Thursday when he referred to the report in his testimony to the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee. (See his answer to question 1079 here.) Vallance says it was a piece of work commissioned by SAGE and assures the Committee that it’s already in the public domain. And, indeed, the Telegraph‘s science editor Sarah Knapton appears to have found it, although she doesn’t link to it in the piece. (All the other papers have simply copied Knapton’s article as far as I can tell.)
Or was Knapton briefed about it by someone on the Committee who got hold of it, even though it still hasn’t been published?
If any readers can find a copy of this elusive report – or if any employees of the departments concerned can leak it to me – I’d be most grateful. Email me here.
London Calling

In the latest episode of London Calling, mine and James Delingpole’s weekly podcast, I ask James to tell me about the anti-mask rally he attended in Hyde Park on Sunday, but he gets sidetracked by his neck pain, which he says is the worst pain he’s experienced since falling off a horse. We also discuss the possibility of a Lockdown Sceptics dating app – suggested by a reader – and Bari Weiss’s dramatic departure from the New York Times.
You can listen to the whole thing here and if you enjoy it don’t forget to subscribe.
Round-Up
Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Inflation-busting pay rise for public sector workers‘ – Well, of course
- ‘Privacy body accuses NHS Test and Trace system of breaching data protection laws‘ – Readers of Lockdown Sceptics will know we flagged up this danger weeks ago
- ‘Keeping schools open had no impact on contagion, Swedish study suggests‘ – Quelle Surprise
- ‘Quarter of Britons may decline to have coronavirus vaccine‘ – Time to turn up the volume on Project Fear to number 11
- ‘Pubs are open but critical services stay shut‘ – Rachel Sylvester in the Times says it’s absurd that Whitehall unions are holding up the issuing of vital documents such as passports and driving licences
- ‘Big Holes in the Covid “Spike” Narrative‘ – Ron Paul takes aim at dodgy death statistics
- ‘Home advantage: not going to school was the making of me‘ – Lara King in the Spectator on the benefits of home schooling
- ‘“It was always going to backfire”: a postcard from Barcelona’s second lockdown‘ – Good piece in the Telegraph about Barcelona’s disastrous attempt to impose a second lockdown
- ‘Tower of London Beefeaters facing redundancies for first time in 500 years‘ – Shocking story in Metro
Theme Tune Suggestions by Readers
Two today: “What’s Behind the Mask” by the Cramps and “Maska” by the Plastic Peoples of the Universe.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folks Below the Line
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Gone Fishin’
Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation recently to pay for the upkeep of this site. If you feel like donating, however small the sum, please click here. I’m on holiday until Saturday, July 25th and won’t be doing my usual amount of work on the site until I return. If you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.
Salem 2.0
I thought I’d give my readers something to chew on while I’m on holiday: Salem 2.0: The Return of the Religious Police to the Public Square. This is a book about cancel culture that I’ve been working on for a while now, but which took a back seat during the coronavirus crisis. Hoping to get back to it as the crisis recedes – although that’s happening more slowly than any of us hoped. It’s a work in progress, so don’t expect too much.


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Revealed: Average age of Covid-19 victims is OLDER than life expectancy in Scotland as stark figures show ‘it is predominantly a disease that strikes the elderly’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8470843/The-average-Covid-19-victim-OLDER-age-people-usually-die-Scotland.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
The last bullet point should read “extraordinary impact age has on death” but without the extraordinary.
That’s a common misunderstanding of what life expectancy actually is. I worked it out and anyone past the age 76 in the UK are past their life expectancy now (life expectancy is defined as how long you are expected to live had you been bord *today*, so you need to look back at historic life expectancy and work out when the youngest person needs to be to have the end of their life expectancy fall on this year)
That’s statistics for you. I like to joke that once I pass the life expectancy in the area I live I will simply move to somewhere with a higher expectancy.
Don’t knock statistics and probability. It’s the *perversion* of them that has got us to the current unpretty pass, not their reality!
I wonder why the headline wasn’t: COVID 19 has zero effect on mortality
This is what is termed ‘the bleedin’ obvious’ : infections despatch those about ready to fall off the perch. And I speak as an Old Fart who is dodging the bullet.
It’s what we otherwise call ‘life’.
Oh – FFS!
I see there is a Metro story about “the police force will not respond to calls about people not wearing face masks”. Good God man what next? Not responding to calls about rape gangs? Oh, I see. Well at least they are being consistent.
Breaking News: CDC confirms IFR of 0.36% based on my rough back of a fag packet calculations (144,906 deaths and 40M infected):
Coronavirus infections could be up to 13 times higher across US than initially reported, CDC finds
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-cases-usa-cdc-report-death-toll-today-trump-covid-a9630916.html
With nearly 4 million cases identified in the US since the onset of the outbreak, the CDC’s report suggests more than 40 million people were infected.
Got served up an FT article on my phone today with the headline “Alarm signals of our authoritarian age”. I thought thank fuck, someone in the mass meeja is finally speaking up. Alas, I opened it and it was another Trump assassination attempt, with a side-course of thumping those evil Eastern European leaders who dare to do what their population demands. And this is from a supposedly balanced MSM organisation. There is no peaceful way to make these morons open their eyes.
“leaders who dare to do what their population demands”
… like making them wear masks … or stay indoors …. or get everybody vaccinated …. or ????
Sounds familiar.
Careful what you wish for when you clap for populism populated by a controlled media.
The real Pandemic are the boats full of new friends, at least 18 today. What the hell is this costing us??
Interestingly Mason Mills on Twitter has posted a lot about this today. Whoever he really is, he does tend to be accurate in his information..
The real Pandemic is Donald Trump’s Final Solution to exterminate the non white races.
He knows climate change is happening.
He wants it to happen so the tropics become unfit for human habitation.
So he can gun down their inhabitants at the border when they try to migrate.
FFS, where did this nutjob crawl out of? Fuck off back to the Guardian.
You’re in cuckoo land mate. Global warming (and cooling)is predominantly in higher (northern) latitudes, in winter and at night (ie fewer low temps) and there is absolutely no empirical evidence it is caused by CO2. As for the rest of your post – are you insane, or do you have evidence for your stupid assertions? (thought not).
You make David Icke sound reasonable and Trump sound smart.
. . . cloud cuckoo land (bloody phone)
PS for recent references to the “final solution” see our vaccine-saviour-to-be Mr. Bill Gates. . (can’t find reference but it’s easy to locate on YT)
Interesting findings in India (my emphasis below):
40% in a cluster in Ahmedabad, 36% in Dharavi had antibodies against COVID-19 in May, shows sero survey
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/jul/18/40-per-cent-people-in-a-cluster-in-ahmadabad-36-in-dharavi-had-antibodies-against-covid-19-in-may-sh-2171362.amp
It was only earlier this week that the full report of the sero-survey, carried out in about 20,000samples from 69 districts ahmin 21 states categorised on the basis of zero to high caseloads and 5000 samples in 10 hotspot cities, was shared with an expert committee on COVID19 surveillance and epidemiology under the ICMR before it is formally published.
“The report has almost confirmed the long-standing view that despite strict lockdown measures in the early period of pandemic outbreak in India, the virus had been transmitted rampantly in many cities,” said a committee member.
“The findings also explain the swift decline COVID19 cases in areas like Dharavi starting June where the disease at one point looked uncontrollable and suggests that many localities in badly hit cities may have reached herd immunity already, as expected epidemiologically.”
Did anyone ever watch the series V from the early 80’s about Aliens visiting the Earth?
I find that there is a lot of similarities in that series with what is happening with COVID-19 such as silencing and discrediting of scientists and doctors trying to speak the truth, governments and media organisation blocking any criticism and dissent, governments coordinating to cover up, medical experiments on humans, quick advancements in mediciation and vaccines, and people disappearing.
And lizards hiding in human form. Who’s going to breed with one of them to create our Starchild?
Has Raab got a wife?
Johnson and Symonds?
Already done!
‘Childhood’s End’. Arthur C Clarke. The Guardians are waiting round the back of the moon until the populations are controlled enough to accept their presence.
I’ve been there too, on and off. Unfortunately us youngsters are ironically the most zombified and I spent most of last week shut in my room despairing. But life is still enjoyable outside- there were many our age in central Bristol yesterday, socialising completely normally! Remember that mass/social media is not the real world.
Yes i see lots of young people out in groups having a good time and think ‘good on them’ for not being petrified and getting on as normal – they are so low risk and life is too short to stay inside in the summer. Though i also see some masked up and wonder…
Get out and enjoy life! From a fellow bristolian!
Hi July, if you have any local anti lockdown protests try to get along, you will find people who are friendly and still act normally. There is a small community of us feeling lonely and afraid online, unfortunately we are largely invisible.
Hi July
Whenever I get the chance to talk to a young person I do what I can to encourage and show that I’m aware of just how tough it is now to be young. Maybe one day I’ll get the chance to talk to you. First things first, roughly where to you live, what type of place, town or country?
This is a few days old but I couldn’t help laughing at the headline:
Norway’s coronavirus success leaves funeral homes struggling: Undertakers seek state help after country suffers only 253 deaths from Covid-19
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525679/Norways-coronavirus-success-leaves-funeral-homes-struggling.html
Your’e doing a great job!
July, remember there are many of us in your situation. Those living alone have been the worst affected and there have been days when I have been really depressed. But right from the start I decided that there was no way I was going to be locked up at home and despite the restrictions I was determined to get out, do my own food shopping, and just see people. Even though at over 70 I am in the ‘vulnerable’. Now with even more easements I am having whole days out and doing what I enjoy, lengthy walks. Try and look positive, and best to switch off the TV news.
Yep. I’m an antisocial, miserable git at the best of times and it’s even grating on me now.
I missed celebrating my 40th. The silver lining being that I missed celebrating 40th.
I think getting out and about, particularly if you can get to parks etc is a decent start. Most people aren’t complete zombies (at least yet) and will acknowlege you if you nod or smile or whatever. There’s still a world out there.
Hello July. I am also a young person so it’s nice to know that not everyone in our age group has been totally taken in by the fear propaganda. The future is looking bleak right now but I have always been an optimist because your spirit is something the bastards can never take away from you. You are also young so you have your whole life ahead of you and hopefully this will only be a small proportion of that. There are more of us than we think and there will be countless people like yourself who are suffering the ill effects of lockdown and who will be getting very angry indeed.
The real question is why are young people so unquestioning? Isnt that when you are supposed to be like that?
Lord Sumption
https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/1285641442002702341?s=20
Will Lord S be wearing a mask, I wonder?
Of course. He won’t want to be putting a weapon into the hands of his detractors.
No – but his butler might when collecting provisions etc!
When laws become absurd, civil disobedience becomes duty
Lex iniusta non est lex
Unjust law is not law???
An unjust law is no law at all. St Thomas Aquinas, I believe.
He nicked it from Augistine!
Augustine rocked!
I sussed out two places today for their mask attitude . Local Co-op , big fans, its THE LAW , it’s Mandatory , its for everyone’s safety, no you can’t enter without one, staff will all be wearing too …so said assistant
My local garden nursery …he was totally against it , thought it was ridiculous but was going to enforce on the door to Greenhouse bit , his staff were going to wear them as he hadn’t looked at regulations , was surprised when I told him . What’s the point then he said
So booked online for food deliveries for the next 5 months
co op are fucking rotten and I’m bloody surrounded by them!
I spend a fortune in the local co ops and I’m going to be a bit stuffed as its quite a drive for other options
Annoying aren’t they , I used to work there and they were shit employers as well
Once my custom is lost I won’t be going back
Tesco online for me now
yes they are annoying and most of their staff appear to support this bs, almost all I have encountered at least
few options for me they dominate in the local area
I haven’t shopped in my local Co Op since this madness began. I used to be in there every day. The staff wore masks and visors very early on, which was off-putting, so I didn’t go. I’m just going to carry on with online food deliveries until this nonsense eases up a bit.
Our co-ops have had THE WORSE keep safe stay apart 2 meters announcements of ANY shop, its just intolerable, like being in a psy-fi dystopia. They also cost way more than other stores and the food is crap.
Other options probably worth it and cheaper too.
Yes the coop really get my goat!
Interesting my local (mid-sized) co-op has been ok throughout. Granted, all the usual coronapanic theatre, but I’ve never had to queue to get in and never felt pressured to join in their performances.
Asked the girl behind the counter tonight and she said the staff had been told masks or visors would be compulsory from Friday but they’d been told they are not allowed to challenge customers who choose not to wear a mask. That;’s great says I because I won’t be wearing one anyway and if I were required to I’d go elsewhere. She said I was the second person to say that to her today.
good lot on hére. if you need some support post away..
Just visited both B&Q and Tesco in Dublin, where we have a “soft” mask wearing provision in place since yesterday (i.e. the Government have said, without authority, that people have to wear masks in shops with a threat of actual legislation if the sheeple don’t comply).
No enforcement in place in either store, thankfully, in both stores, I’d reckon 40-45% mask wearing. My neareat Lidl now have a sign at the front door asking customers to wear a mask but again, no enforcement.
Just went to the baker (I live in France) not customed to a mask so I forgot to take one. Before I could enter I was yelled at by the mask wearing lady behind the counter: ” no mask, you don’t get served”. So I left without bread…
Might have to start baking your own… Give me traditional French bread over the mass-baked stuff we have in the UK any day. Some of the stuff they sell here might have le Tricolore stamped on it, but it’s not the real Jean-Paul.
Try Tesco bloomers – you might be rather pleasantly surprised!
For me, or the wife?
It will be made Law and it will be all your own fault! I say that in the voice of eric idle he’s just a very naughty boy.
It’s an interesting Twist, to go soft first. How do you think it will go?
This is my first ever comment here but Toby please have your holiday and stop doing long updates until you get back. We don’t want you to have a nervous breakdown from overwork. The need to report on further Covid19 response related is probably going to continue for many months more.
Welcome. You’re not alone.
Just to remind people that there’s no evidence of saliva being the medium of infection for any viral infections. As the NHS says in regard to HIV which is found in the same level in saliva as blood…
Although HIV can be detected in saliva, it can’t be passed to other people through kissing because a combination of antibodies and enzymes found naturally in saliva prevent HIV infecting new cells.
I suppose not if you don’t count Mononucleosis, Hepatitis A & C, Rhinoviruses, Herpes – all of which are transmitted via saliva. Sorry to rain on the parade, but that’s just a fact.
In the case of hepatitis, the transmission is oral-faecal, in infectious hepatitis it’s blood and semen. ‘Possible’ exposure via the mouth but not from an infected person’s saliva? You’d have to be kissing an open wound to infect someone.
Mononucleosis is herpes family so dealing with them together, can’t really get by that one. Feel an idiot as I get cold sores myself. Perhaps the fact that they ‘hide’ that prevents sufficient immune response, or that they’re so relatively complex. Has there ever been any suggestion that someone coughing or talking though can infect you with them? Surely everyone would get cold sores just as an example if it were that easily transmitted.
Was a bit tipsy last night.
Allison Pearson on top form:
As millions of parents braced themselves yesterday for another day of finishing“homeschooling” – 37 still uncompleted assignments about to expire on the laptop, pandemic puppy halfway through chewing Call of the Wild, kids nowhere to be seen – imagine the cries of joy as it was announced that teachers are getting a 3.1% pay rise.
Teachers? TEACHERS!!***???
You mean teachers who, discounting a crack battalion of dutiful exceptions, have been on sunbathing leave since 20th March? Teachers who may or may not agree to return to the classroom in September, subject to it being 100% “safe”? Oh, and with the proviso that children are treated like lepers, confined in pointless “bubbles” or even forced to wear masks. Actually, better if the kids aren’t there at all. That would definitely make it safer for teachers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/teachers-didnt-rise-challenge-should-give-pay-rise-unsung-carers/
Sorry about the paywall.
She talks about a whistle blower nurse, “Holly”. Her stories will make you angry. Allison writes:
I contacted NHS England to put to them the charge that healthcare services which could have stayed open were shut with devastating consequences. I was told that they were “disappointed” I had not put “positive” information in my column. To… Read more »
Every civil servant should get a pay CUT of 15%+.
That would merely reestablish the pre Corona ratio between private and public sector pay, they already got a huge relative pay rise over most others simply by not sacrificing a penny yet.
Raising their pay, and pensions, or salaries of people in safe industries, is the epitome of a lack of solidarity and an insult to all those who have been ruined by the idiotic Corona responses that were forced upon them by those very same people.
But then, the Brits don’t do revolutions.
And neither does anyone else anymore.
It struck me as a real kick in the teeth for the lowpaid frontliners.
Care home workers have been treated appallingly
I think the public v private sector war is going to erupt this Autumn.
I’m sure the Spiv Party will be delighted.
What Williamson hasn’t yet realised is that we need a whole load of ‘Nightingale’ schools! Noone will attend, of course, but they would be very smart-looking.
I now now know where the policies come from. Our ministers don’t understand sarcasm.
Remember that you’re not alone! Can any friends even drop round to have a chat through a window, if that’s what you’d feel more comfortable with? Or a walk somewhere quiet with a takeaway coffee?
If your friends are also young, do they not know they’re at virtually no risk at all?
Can you persuade one or two to meet up in a park or somewhere in the open air? You’d probably be at a greater risk of being hit by a meteorite in a park.
So maybe Lms2’s suggestion above, about a meeting outside, might be something that your friends would agree to. Make it somewhere where there will be no other people to infect (!), and maybe all take your own food (if your friends are too scared to eat food prepared by anyone else), and have a picnic? You can all sit a little bit away from each other so that no one feels uncomfortable. Maybe after a couple of such meetings your friends might relax a bit?
If this reflects how most young people feel its a grim future for all of us. God help us if we ever face a real threat!
Find some more friends July…sounds like your existing ones are very happy being selfish about your needs.
NO! You’re being sane. It’s those who are locking away that are selfishly self obsessed – even if fear is an excuse of sorts.
July, stay on this site and let all of us be your friends!
“it’s because I don’t know anyone who feels safe enough to meet up”
I think that encapsulates the wicked evil of what is going on. I really feel for you, because its bad enough for all of us.
Fortunately (and I know it doesn’t help you), our entire family, neighbours and most friends are happy to stick up two fingers to the jackboot and Mengele brigade, and have been of that mind since about May.
You need to know that your lack of fear *is* the normal, healthy attitude – and perhaps you can speak with friends and try to persuade them with the sort of hard data that can be accessed from references here.
… and perhaps look for new ways of getting out such that others have suggested.
But know that your anxiety and feeling ‘down’ is a very natural response to what is a deliberately manufactured aberration of compliant subjection. It isn’t you. And even those of us who have more willing contacts are totally depressed and anxious about this descent into a Stasiland that denies what previous generations fought to preserve.
What we really need now is Dom Jolly going around shouting at people, or with a megaphone, for not wearing their masks properly highlighting the ridiculousness of it all.
“If you’re going to wear it and save lives at least wear it properly!”
“Stop killng people with your nose hanging out!”
Just had a very tart email back from my MP re masks “thank you for your email regarding the wearing of face masks. I am the first to defend civil liberties and have an assiduous track record in this area “ (he does – resigning on the issue some years ago). “However I disagree with you on this one. Proper freedom is not the freedom to infect others with a potentially lethal disease” . That’s me told then.
Every one of us is a potentially lethal homicial maniac. Potentially.
What’s his view on flu? Also if it’s that serious why are there exemptions?
You might well ask.
Yeah what nobody says! Snap!
And if it is that serious, why are scientists suggesting that people should be deliberately infected with the disease to create a vaccine?
Ugh that is awful in too many ways! Ask him where he’s been on Flu all these years.. I woukd turn groupie on him and faun after his wise wise logic.
You could also ask him how he feels about the government directives that have now lead to 35000 extra cancer deaths (plus assorted other excess deaths) coming down the line. Is that what freedom should allow of our MPs?
Ask him that too. Yes.
Well, I don’t think that reply was quite passive aggressive enough.
You could respond that proper freedom includes the ability to educate oneself.
Like that. I was going to email back “then we disagree “. But I might add that.
I would also add that freedom also means innocent until proven guilty.
If they are accusing you of being a danger to others then the burden of proof lies with them.
Send him some graphs and ask him how the virus is lethal compared with the lockdown effects.
Have a look here tomorrow. Should be an updated analysis of the stats from Christopher Bowyer: https://hectordrummond.com/
The freedom to infect others with a potentially lethal disease has been a human freedom for as long as there have been humans (and before that a freedom of our hominid ancestors and the non-hominid primates before that). If that weren’t the case, nobody would ever have been infected with a potentially lethal disease.
Putting aside the fact that he completely fails to address the question of whether face coverings in fact have any impact at all on the transmission of this potentially lethal disease, the argument is facile, fallacious and specious all at the same time.
Well done him, he’s proved himself to be an irredeemable moron.
What about the freedom to potentially crash into someone or run them over every time you get into your car?
I like this idea!
Tricky for Boris and Handjob of course, since their noses just keep getting longer!
https://www.aier.org/article/did-the-us-lockdown-too-late-and-open-too-soon/
Did the US Lockdown Too Late and Open Too Soon?An interesting article discussing the level of lockdown comparing US and Europe and the current upsurge in certain states purportedly related to “earlier” openings.No surprises here for lockdown sceptics but interesting data in the article.
Just heard from a friend who’s a supervisor at the local Morrison’s superstore. They’ve been told that staff won’t be responsible for policing masks + shouldn’t get involved.
Good news!!
But will the staff be wearing them? After all, #weareallinthistogether, or so says the myriad of notices in Morrisons and everywhere else.
Honestly I’m not sure. My mum (who works for Sainsbury’s) said they’re being given some masks, but won’t be until sometime next month 😂
In LIDL and Morrison’s today, staff were already wearing muzzles, as were about 60% of shoppers. Very disappointing and depressing.
Interestingly Lidl Sweden have an advert running on TV with a guy sunbathing alone while wearing a mask(?) and this week they have offers on packs of fabric face masks. Odd as practically no one in Sweden is wearing masks…
It is a sign of things to come I’m affraid. Things were easing up in France, until it became the Peoples Republic France when forcing everyone to wear one!
…Of course I hope I’m wrong…sofar Sweden has been the most sensible of countries!
Today’s stats from Sweden: 43 fewer people in hospital with CV10 than on Friday, of which there are 5 fewer people in intensive care.
14 of Sweden’s 21 regions have 10 or fewer patients in hospital with the virus, and 7 of these regions have 5 or fewer patients in hospital with it.
Over the last 5 weeks we have gone from 400 people in intensive care down to only 62 today.
According to our media there has been a spike in Skåne (region around Malmö), but when you investigate more closely, a mere *1* of these people has actually needed to be admitted to hospital…
Sweden is doing best of all…if it wasn’t for some other issues I’d get me a one way ticket there right away! 🙂
Good – it will be interesting to discover how the mask-zealots react to evidence of sanity in others!
Permanent face mask use to prevent the common cold!!
Where do they find these people??
science select committee is told:
The custom of shaking hands should be ditched permanently and Britain should move to a Japanese-style greeting culture to avoid future pandemics, public health experts have suggested.
Baron Piot, a professor and microbiologist from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told peers at the Science and Technology Select Committee, that individual behaviour needed to change for the benefit of the wider community.
He also suggested that face masks and social distancing could become the norm to prevent other respiratory diseases – such as colds and flu – and said there was emerging evidence in Australia that coronavirus measures had also prevented the spread of other communicable diseases.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/21/shaking-hands-probably-forever-top-scientist-tells-peers/
Professor Dame Anne Johnson, vice president of the Academy of Medical Science, said a cultural shift was needed to stop a second wave emerging in the winter and suggested that even people with colds or the flu would need to stay at home.
“It’s really important to suppress the virus as much as we can,” she said.
“If you’ve got a cold or flu stay home, stay out the way.… Read more »
Words fail me!
Jesus wept.
This lot should be careful what they wish for. Japan isn’t exactly a society to look up to – its ruthlessly conformist, is in the stone age when it comes to mental health and the wearing of masks is one of the factors for the growth of psychological problems among the young and especially men.
Is that what they want?
Not to mention the suicides that occur among the Japanese population. Or is that the idea??
Indeed. When I was doing my undergraduate degree in education back in the late 90s, I remember having to read an article for a seminar about education and mental health. According to that article Japan and Singapore had the highest rate of teen suicides in Asia most of it coming from their uber competitive education and parental pressure. Globally, Japan had the dubious honour of claiming the number one spot.
Had a Japanese girlfriend a few years back , she was utterly beautiful
( Bond girl looks ) but alas utterly mental and from what i could judge most of her direct family were to.
Have come across people who have said something similar so looks like you’re not alone.
She came from a wealthy family and grew up with best of everything but her parents treated her abominably so it left her with a level of neuroticism that was off the charts .
I reckon, in the current dire state of the UK, ‘subjects’ should be a bit wary of generalised insults aimed at ‘ furriners’!
The term mental health itself can be used as an insult in Japanese, and it’s a lot worse than just calling someone mental in English.
They have a saying “the nail that sticks out is hammered” which refers to the stifling conformity of Japanese society and many ME experts even in Japan have blamed this for the psychological issues that many people in that country face.
Heck even Empress Masako has had her own problems. As did her mother-in-law Empress Michiko.
Maybe they want to purchase used school girl’s face masks from vending machines or something. I’m not judging.
Pandemics..?
Of course. This one wasn’t as lethal as they’d hoped. I’m sure they’re working on another virus as we speak.
Freaks and fascist bastards. Sorry about the language.
Quite – you really need to learn some serious insults!
Restrained under the circumstances 😉
There is already treatment available for CV19: Zinc, high-dose VitC, dexamethasone, remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine. Haven’t these people been taking any notice of the successes in treating patients in other countries, or are they determined to keep us all in a state of fear and panic indefinitely?
Fear and panic can’t be maintained for ever in most people. Most will eventually reach a point where they no longer care, especially when the supposed danger fails to materialize, unless they think they’re going to die of the common cold.
They are all far too cheap.
And readily available from the start.
Allowing them to be endorsed would be the equivalent of a nuclear meltdown for politicians, the media and the drug industry.
You are presumably posting from the USA. They WILL be used extensively in the UK, which drug to be used depending on the stage of disease at which the patient presents in hospital.
I am in the UK and I have not heard of any such treatment here, only what medics have been using in the U.S..
Over here, the only treatment initially allowed was paracetamol and oxygen. The use of hydroxychloroquine and zinc was not tried, because Orange Man Bad.
Not the reason – which is the same one for opposing untested vaccines. There is always a need for proper RCTs rather than Chinese whispers.
(And Orange Man is just an idiot – bad or not)
That seems like a shift from Ramakrishnan. He mentions ‘treatment’ and ‘therapeutics’ and only ‘vaccine’ in the alternative (and once). Interesting. We seem to be best part there with existing therapeutics (dexamethasone, HCQ + Zinc).
AstraZeneca share price was down 3% today. ‘The lead researcher in Oxford University’s push to find a Covid-19 vaccine alongside AstraZeneca cautioned on Tuesday that there could be no certainty that it could be rolled out by Christmas – although it was possible’.
You can fuck right off. I will grasp the empty weapon hand of my friend when we meet, to show that we bear no ill will to eachother, til lthe day I die. I am a free Englishman. And yes I know we didn’t invent it.
Thank You. I’ll be here the rest of my life.
I trust you mean they not me?
Of course, Baron Pisspot or whoever.
With the destabilised population I genuinely see masks for life being a possibility. It is up to the people, us and others, to stop it. That’s how I see it.
I also cannot believe humans have the patience or self disipline to keep a face mask charade going for long.
I thought Celia Waldens article was bad earlier today and then they publish this load of rubbish. Thank god my subscription ends in a couple of months. Absolute madness.
I’m only paying £1 per month for three months trial. Won’t be taking a permanent subscription to the rag.
At least the Grad is free if I want to know the official headlines.
I was stupid enough to sign up for £100 per year!
I think the Telegraph trolled us with some very good sceptical articles and opinion pieces quite early on, when almost everybody else apart from the Spectator was solidly pro-panic, but they do seem to be turning a bit too pro-mask for my liking, from what I’ve seen recently.
There are definitely a few sensible columnists but the general standard of journalism is now a really low standard, no research just copy and paste from the government or twitter. I like Lionel Shriver at the Spectator and Dr John Lee but have been disappointed Douglas Murray hasn’t called out some of the nonsense going on.
He seems to avoid the COVID issue as if it not happening.
Think of all the toilet paper you wont have to buy.
Perhaps we could also introduce the Japanese ritual of seppuku for government officials who fail us!
I’m up for that. And perhaps CEOs and museum directors should do this as well when their shops and museums go under due to the lockdown and antisocial distancing measures that they were too cowardly to resist.
If not shaking hands is enough to stop it, why do we need lockdown or masks?
Also, they still have bad flu seasons in Japan, despite not shaking hands and wearing masks…
“Baron Piot, a professor and microbiologist from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told peers at the Science and Technology Select Committee, that individual behaviour needed to change for the benefit of the wider community.
He also suggested that face masks and social distancing could become the norm to prevent other respiratory diseases – such as colds and flu – and said there was emerging evidence in Australia that coronavirus measures had also prevented the spread of other communicable diseases.”
Great idea. So when another deadly corona virus is released into the world, there’ll be no natural immunity in anyone because their immune system will have been supressed. That’s how they’ll get their population reduction.
Hi July,
Welcome to this site and please remember you are not alone.
Have you tried and contacted friends to arrange a meet up? You can do it in a back garden or the park or a coffee shop or fast food chain with outdoor seating?
You aren’t alone. No sceptic is alone.
If they are true friends they will make the effort, even if you have to practise antisocial distancing.
However I know what you mean, many people I know have been afraid even to meet up. I can talk to them over whatsapp or messenger but it can be frustrating if they’re not too keen to meet up.
Keep trying and please join us here for a chat. If you’re feeling up to it, please contact Toby on this site or even Simon Dolan on Twitter to share your story. It’s tragic that young people like you are being thrown under the bus (and there are loads more such as the old, the disabled, the over 40s who being made redundant will have trouble finding work, etc)
You’re welcome. I have two very young nieces (single digit age) who I have never met believe it or not and I feel sorry for them – their lives slipping away and I don’t think they are aware that they’ll never reclaim this part of their lives back.
Like what others have said here, I would suggest that you go out on your own as well, people watch, get a coffee, read a book in the part and keep hammering with your friends – try first doing it via whatsapp or facetime or whatever then take it from there. Who knows? They might be receptive in time…
You are not alone July. I know it’s not quite the same thing, but you will always get support from us here. Mental health issues are difficult at the best of times (I have both depression and severe anxiety issues) but at the moment they really can be hard to deal with. You can always come here and unload on us . . .
Why not just break the rules…who cares about them?
You may have struggled, July – but when push comes to shove – as now – *you* have kept perspective and balance over the truth of this nonsense when millions haven’t.
Be assured – that’s a major achievement. Even if it doesn’t solve everything, it gives you a starting point in your strength of character and intelligence.
A worrying article in the DT (paywall):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/21/coronavirus-vaccine-could-rolled-gets-authorisation-regulators/
Coronavirus vaccine could be rolled out before it gets authorisation from regulators
Usual authorisation time frame of between 18 and 24 months could be reduced to around 70 days, taskforce says
An extract:
Regulators have already started reviewing certain aspects of the vaccine trial to speed up the process when the results are in.
“Oxford will file their submission with the EMA, plus there is a route for compassionate or emergency use in the UK, and MHRA have been working joined at the hip with these different vaccine companies,” Mrs Bingham [a member of the Vaccine Taskforce] said.
“By engaging regulators early and involving them in key decision-making and key safety aspects everything can be done much more quickly.
“I don’t know how long it will take, but regulators are receiving all the non-data aspects of the trials already so they can look at manufacturing facilities and assays and lots of things that are non-clinical before they open the envelope and get the results.
“They will still need time to digest the data, but I think it will be much more rapid than usual. The main issue is safety, and any safety… Read more »
Over 50s FFS!!!
I hope to god this is all about a placebo and they’re just going to stab people with distilled water purely to save face.
Dream on Cheezilla, dream on…..
Her husband Jesse Norman MP is the Financial Secretary to the Treasury and was involved in the Cobra meetings in the run up to “lockdown”. Small world isn’t it?
This role should have been for an eminent research scientist/medic, not a financier, and certainly not one with a clear link to a serving Parliamentarian. This will not end well.
Where are those eminent types’ criticism? About now be a good time to be counted as a voice for good sense.
Let’s hope Carl Heneghan and his team continue where they left off on PHE stats, and various other things. I cannot see him, as a practising GP, sticking something in a patient’s arm when it has been raced through as per this proposal.
He has been a true light in the darkness. The courage of the few has my respect. I’m almost looking forward to my encounter with a GP trying to get me
I think they were hoping to have something ready when those that normally get the flu vaccine (such as my husband) turn up. On the basis of what Sarah Gilbert said this afternoon, that seems unlikely.
Over 50s??? When the average age of those who have died has been nearer 80???
I think now might a good time to de-register with the GP surgery to avoid the vaccine nonsense altogether. I last went to see the GP about 18 years ago, so it won’t be any great loss to me.
I’ve been trying to get an appointment with a GP for weeks – no chance, over the phone robot service only. If they suggest I attend for their rotten, useless vaccine I’ll be giving them both barrels
Nope. GPs can happily continue to avoid their patients:
Wankock: I am expanding who can legally vaccinate to make sure not just GPs, but also technicians, nurses and pharmacists.
‘Pharmacists have got a massive role to play in this.’
“technicians?”
Does this include people who fix photocopiers?
I’d been flying under the GP radar for decades but unfortunately last year my dentist discovered a large keratoid cyst in my jawbone and I had to register so I could have the necessary op. Just glad it wasn’t this year!
However, I’m no doubt in their sights now……
I haven’t seen my GP in 25 years. Maybe I’ll be saved by some good old fashioned admistrative and bureacratic oversights.
Stop talking ‘reality’. It has nothing to do with it.
Would it be more correct to say that safety set against efficacy is the ‘main’ thing – all vaccines having negative effects associated.
I find this is the most chilling part of the vaccine effort so far, yeah yeah we will do harmful things, we can’t not with such tight timescales, but we will record the harms really well.
Josef Mengele
“there is a route for compassionate or emergency use in the UK”
Which is a non-starter – as there’s no emergency – despite attempts to generate one.
“everything can be done much more quickly. “
Which is another nonsense, since proper RCTs require time, and anyone getting a rushed vaccine wants their bumps felt.
A speeded approval procedure is only meant for palliative *treatments* in *extreme* circumstances – not hypothetical prevention of a mild disease with a moderate IFR.
What business needs the condescending recommendation of an MP anyway ?,it’s the kiss of death in my book.Keep up the good fight Kh,I look forward to the daily dispatches from the Popular Peoples Front of North West Essex !