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Chancellor Rishi Sunak unveiled a £30 billion mini-budget on Wednesday to supposedly kickstart the economic recovery.

Perhaps the most eye-catching of his initiatives was a scheme designed to get people eating out again – “eat out to help out”. Participating restaurants will be able to offer half price meals every Monday to Wednesday throughout August, and be reimbursed by the Government within five working days. Although before you get your hopes up, there’s a cap of £10 on the amount you can be reimbursed for.

Not sure it’ll do much to halt the devastation unleashed in the hospitality sector by the lockdown. Even Burger King has announced closures and redundancies.

Stop Press: If you put on even more pounds as a result of Rishi’s meal deals, you can at least now go to the gym.

Couples Told to Wear Face Masks During Sex

Love is in the air – but so is something else!

According to the New York Post, a new study out of Harvard recommends couples should mask-up before having sex – and not for kinky pleasure.

Safe sex during the coronavirus pandemic might soon require protection beyond just the nether regions.

A new study from researchers at Harvard University says that hooking up carries some risk for transmitting COVID-19 from one partner to the other and recommends — among other practices — wearing a face mask while doin’ it.

The research, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, ranked frisky situations based on how likely it is to catch coronavirus while in the act. Researchers recommend wearing a mask for the riskiest sexual scenario: sex with people other than those with whom one is quarantined.

Meanwhile, American DJ Dan Bongino reacts to mandatory mask wearing in Martin County, Florida by saying: “You can take your mask mandate and shove it right up your ass.”

Is that after or before the mask-wearing sex?

Government Spent £10 Billion on Bungled Track-and-Trace Scheme

“Check out my new phone. Only cost £10 billion.”

Blimey! Wondering where all that Government money has gone? Now we know.

Documents released on Tuesday revealed that the Treasury has spent an extra £48.5 billion on public services since the coronavirus outbreak. Of this, £31.9 billion went to the NHS – including the £15 billion for PPE and £10 billion on Matt Hancock’s failed track-and-trace scheme.

The Mail has the story:

Ministers spent an astonishing £10 billion on the bungled test and trace programme as part of an extra £48 billion of spending on public services during the coronavirus crisis, it has emerged.

The programme was championed by Health Secretary Matt Hancock when introduced at the end of May but, as of last week, it is still failing to track a quarter of patients who test positive for the illness.

Scientists have warned contact tracing programmes need to catch at least 80 per cent of infections to ensure the spread of the virus is contained.

Earlier this week, Baroness Dido Harding, who is charge of the programme, admitted it is still is not hitting Government targets – but claimed it is ‘not far away’.

She said more work needs to be done to build up public confidence in the tracing system and the expected app, because neither will work without people’s co-operation. She said people’s trust must be earned rather than expected.

Every time you think the Government couldn’t have bungled its handling of this crisis more badly, there’s another shocking revelation. This one will be hard to top though.

Bad Luck Zealots: Sweden is Virtually Covid Free

These three graphs tell a story lockdown zealots don’t want to hear: Covid has all but disappeared in Sweden.

Covid Catch-22

John Waters, the Simon Dolan of Ireland, has written a great piece for Lockdown Sceptics about the difficulty he and Simon have faced in challenging the constitutionality of the suspension of our liberties. In both cases, the judge shot them down on the grounds that there was nothing disproportionate about the laws and regulations introduced to minimise the loss of life likely to be caused by the virus because, at the time, the Government didn’t know how virulent and deadly COVID-19 was. In other words, so long as a government is able to show that there is some possibility, however slight, that its draconian restrictions will save lives, they there is nothing unconstitutional about suspending our liberties.

Since before the present Irish Constitution was framed in 1937, and right up to a Supreme Court ruling as recently as 2011, the courts were adamant that an emergency, with or without a capital E, could only be declared in the circumstances set out in Article 28 of that Constitution. The lockdown legislation therefore created all kinds of new precedents, which, if left to lie, would in effect allow the Constitution of Ireland to be suspended for almost any kind of crisis, thereby transforming said Constitution from a Bill of Rights to a Charter for Occasional Totalitarianism. As far as I know, Japan is the only place where fundamental constitutional rights have prevailed in the face of COVID-19-related attacks, though Sweden’s robust constitutional principles, too, may have contributed to the more relaxed approach to managing the virus there.

Depressing, but worth reading in full.

Passport Misery

I haven’t been able to renew my 15 year-old son’s passport, so have had to arrange for him to stay with a friend while the Young family heads off to the Dolomites next week. Before you think “what a bastard!” I should point out that he’s extracted a heavy price for allowing us to go – a brand new desktop computer. He’s as happy as Larry. Thank you HM Passport Office.

Turns out, I’m not the only one. Lockdown Sceptics contributor Guy de la Bédoyère has had a hard time trying to get a passport for his grandson.

My grandson was born in Hanoi in December. My son and his wife are both British-born citizens and are employed by the British Council. In Vietnam such a baby is classified as a foreigner and is not entitled to Vietnamese citizenship by birth. Nor do his parents want that. In January they applied for the British passport to which he is entitled. The cumbersome process has to be conducted through the Visa Application Centre in Hanoi to which the UK Passport Office has subcontracted the administration of such applications in cities abroad.

The piles of supporting documents, including my grandson’s vital birth certificate, were all gathered up and sent by courier to the UK. Once those were scrutinized an online interview was booked for late March which my son would have had to attend in Hanoi in order to speak to a passport officer in the UK. This was the process he went through for his daughter two years previously.

Guess what? The interview was cancelled along with all other such interviews. Here we are now more than three months later and although the Visa Application Centre has re-opened in Hanoi these interviews have still not been reinstated (as they have not for applicants in the UK). It has taken my son weeks and weeks to get hold of a passport officer in the UK on the phone in order to find a way to get the documents returned. By law in Vietnam they are not supposed to travel anywhere with the baby without those documents – or a passport! With any luck those might turn up in a few weeks now. But of the passport – apparently for the moment: no chance.

I used a Twitter account to send a direct message on his account to the Passport Office. It took over a week to reply and added nothing.

The result is that my grandson who is entitled by right of his parents to UK citizenship is presently stateless. The Passport Office’s failure to use any common sense at least to instigate the return of documents that have been checked have placed him and his parents in a precarious position.

How many other children born abroad to UK citizen parents in the last seven months are in the same situation? There must be older children whose applications were also only made in the first quarter of this year who are similarly rendered stateless.

It hardly needs adding that of course the Passport Office is in possession of the application fees paid. Yet another example of the countless services that have been suspended since the crisis broke, leaving clients effectively robbed of the money on the nebulous promise that things will return to normal at some unspecified point in the future.

Here’s the real and truly idiotic irony. At no point in the process would it ever have been necessary for my son to be in the same room as a UK passport officer. Since Vietnam is entirely back to normal, and has been for several weeks, all he needed to do was to attend the Hanoi Centre and be shown into a room with a computer.

What’s going on? The answer seems to be a shortage of UK Passport Office staff who have been hived off to deal with matters like universal credit applications. Perhaps that’s more important, but I find the sheer stupidity and negligence of holding on to vital personal documents indefinitely almost unbelievable. It’s a whole new facet of the mounting backlog of administration and frustrated impotent anxiety this ludicrous self-inflicted crisis is generating.

And it’s not just Guy and me, obviously. Check out the comments in this forum – it’s an unending stream of passport misery.

Stop Press: Guy has been back in touch with some good news – sort of.

Incredibly, my son reports to me to today that HM Passport Office is now accepting new applications through the Hanoi Visa Application Centre, despite the unfulfilled existing pile of applications which must be the size of a small mountain and which they have no current plans to deal with.

Hugo Rifkind’s Bedwetting Column

Hugo Rifkind reacts to a member of the public breaking the two-metre rule

Times “humourist” Hugo Rifkind has made a strong bid for the Bedwettter-of-the-week award in his latest column entitled “In your face rulebreakers are out of control”. Here’s a taster:

Looking at those pictures of the Soho crowds, however nationally atypical they may have been, I found myself wondering how it happens. Is it like the wisdom of crowds, but the opposite? As in, is there a threshold of non-observance you need to reach before everybody else just thinks, “ah, screw it, why be different, I’ll have another drink and worry about potentially killing hundreds of people including my own grandmother tomorrow”?

We are all free to risk our own health by overdrinking or overeating or overscubadiving, or whatever, but responsible behaviour in a pandemic is not just about us. It speaks to a sort of social responsibility that is, or at least should be, literally step one in civilised behaviour.

Thankfully, there are some sceptics in the comments below Hugo’s piece:

The bottom line Hugo is that most people now know that Covid doesn’t threaten them. They’re not that worried if they get it. And they’re right to think that because the truth (that the Government doesn’t like to publicise) is that your chances of dying from Covid or even being seriously ill from it are minuscule unless you are in a very small subset of the population that is vulnerable. And it’s that dawning realisation that coronavirus isn’t Ebola or Smallpox or Bubonic Plague, combined with an increasing suspicion that the authorities have both overreacted and been incompetent, that leads to a little rebellion, an urge to regain control of your own decisions and risk assessment. And my guess is that the more the busybodies exhort people to wear a mask or keep you distance or keep working from home, the more likely it is they won’t.

I like the word “busybodies”. Hugo is a bit of a busybody.

At the end of his column, Hugo says the public’s failure to comply with every jot and tittle of the advice of finger-wagging scolds like him has left him worried that they may not comply when it comes to the advice of other metropolitan busybodies concerning things like global warming.

Covid is a unique crisis but it is also the template for every crisis, from tax avoidance, to funding health and social care, to the big looming horror of environmental collapse. Over and again, I read that this crisis was a dress rehearsal and a test, and that humanity was on a learning curve. We are all each other, all intertwined, all responsible for attuning our own behaviour for the greater good. What a shame, though, that we keep forgetting.

Not sure that’s quite the “shame” you think it is Hugo.

Fancy a Beer? Go to Marston’s

Top tip from a reader in Upminster about his experience at his local, a Marston’s pub.

I arrived at the pub at 11am to find that it was opening an hour later at midday. As a result, I walked to a pub a fair distance away – The Huntsman – which had a large banner up saying “WE ARE OPEN”. They lied – they weren’t.

I walked back and as it was 11.40am had to do something I’d never done before in my life and bought a can of beer in a shop and sat in the park across from the pub until I could get a beer.

When the pub opened up the awful experience that I was expecting never occurred. Sharon the pub manager and all the staff were unmasked, unafraid and had the pub running with the common sense lacking in most parts of this country at the moment.

Apart from a few tables being removed from the centre of the pub and a couple of arrows on the floor, you got your beer at the bar.

The people serving were friendly not jobsworths and they were having conversations with the customers that had been put on hold for three months for no good reason other than state-induced fear and global mass hysteria.

I would say to any pub man or woman who doesn’t wish to be treated like a leper while having a beer, find your nearest Marston’s. Stuff the abnormal New Normal and enjoy a beer in a real pub atmosphere. And they haven’t put the price up!

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Note to the Good Folk Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

I know it becomes difficult to navigate the comment threads after 24 hours. One alternative to continuing to post below my updates is to move to the forum on Lockdown Truth. The creator of that site has extended a warm welcome to everyone here.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the last 48 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. It usually takes me several hours to do these updates, which doesn’t leave much time for other work. If you feel like donating, however small the amount, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here. (Please don’t email me at any other address.) I’ll try and get another update done on Saturday.

And Finally…

In my Spectator column this week I’ve asked whether the curriculum in English schools really needs “decolonising”. Here’s an extract:

Listening to the politicians and activists urging schools to “decolonise the curriculum”, you’d think children were being taught about the “white man’s burden” and re-enacting Gordon of Khartoum’s defence of Sudan in the playground. Even in the Tom Brown’s School Days era, I doubt the curriculum was ever as pro-Empire as these people would have us believe. At the last general election, 85 per cent of teachers voted for left-of-centre parties. Do the Black Lives Matter protestors really think these hand-wringing liberals are getting children to measure skulls in biology classes?

You think I’m exaggerating? A whistleblower sent me a memo on “decolonising the curriculum” that had been distributed to all the teachers at a secondary school in Haringey. The headteacher asked them to ensure that “the curriculum diet offered our students in terms of anti-racism, anti-fascism, anti-prejudice, is broad, thorough, comprehensive across year groups, faculty areas and times of the year”. And woe betide any member of staff who challenges the idea that schools are perpetuating a system of white supremacy. A teacher at an academy in south-east London has got in touch with the Free Speech Union because he’s being put through a ‘disciplinary’ after writing a blog post criticising the violence of some of the BLM protestors.

Worth reading in full, obviously.

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matt
matt
6 years ago

Just sent this to the editor of the spectator. More in hope than expectation, but I thought… why not?

Sir,

In her otherwise excellent article, Kate Andrews refers to Covid turning “our world upside down.”

Not so. Our world has indeed been turned upside down, not by the virus itself but by the overreaction of many western governments, our own included. It may have been understandable at the end of March that any government would be panicked by public pressure and international example – not to mention the catastrophist modelling of certain academic bodies – into imposing quarantine on an entire population, but the continued obsession with the virus is irrational.

The science has become clearer over time and shows with high probability that we are not facing a virus that is epoch-defining in its lethality or transmissibility and yet our government persists in pretending otherwise and is ably assisted by continuing terror stories produced by the majority of media outlets, most notably the BBC and the Guardian. The economy can never return to normality while a proportion of the public are too scared to leave their houses and the rest would rather steer clear of the dystopian unpleasantness… Read more »

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Vernon Coleman on the dangers of hand sanitisers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-t-Z7-LfMA

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

“More and more people are waking up and I firmly believe that together, we WILL win this fight.”
Thank you Dr. Vernon Coleman

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago

Hello All,

Firstly, thank you so much for all the kind words last night. It’s been very encouraging having you here. (And another thank you to Toby for creating this space for us).

Meeting in person has been proposed, and I am volunteering myself to do some organising… we’re on the road at the moment and could do several locations, but also, because my identity online is very easy to check out, and I think – rightfully so – people may have hesitation about sharing identifiable info. If you google TyLean…. you will find me. (I may have dropped in the search engines having lost interest in the social media game).

Please email [email protected] if you want to meet in real time – let me know the geographical area you’re happy to travel and rough dates/times you can meet.

Edit: Also you can email if you are happy to host and/or have suggestions for a good venue.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago

Dear GrantM I would normally say that taking advice from strangers on the Internet isn’t a good idea, but I really think it’s probably not that healthy for you to post abuse here and receive it back. Most people on here like a good argument and would be happy to engage in a debate on these issues, but you don’t seem to want to engage, you just rant and swear. I don’t think your ranting and swearing is upsetting anyone except probably you. Perhaps you could write a few paragraphs setting out your views on lockdown, masks, and the “pandemic”.

T. Prince
T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think it’s best to collectively just ignore GrantM. We should all agree not to respond to any of his posts. I note on the latest LS of the 11th, he’s getting more vile…..

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Has he been back? Honestly can’t keep track of the comments anymore, and just looked but can’t find him.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

I’m thinking it’s time some of us met up.
We need real personal support, if only to banish that hideous feeling of being alone in a world that’s gone screaming mad.
Alas, it isn’t possible, at present, to get a group together in Gulag Wales, but it might be in England? Or even Fascist Scotland?
Obviously it would mean a great deal of organising. And trust. But is it possible? What do folks think?

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It’s more than possible to get a group together in Gulag Wales. Have you never watched the Great Escape. Or Chicken Run?

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Love the idea. We (OH and I) are in the High Peak but would travel!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

I’m near Holme Moss.

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes, yes, yes. Will travel. Yes.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Very possible here. Anywhere from Stirling to Devon is an easy day’s drive for me.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

And if bivvying out, anywhere mainland UK

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If I may be so bold as to put myself forward for organising details….. for one, because we’re travelling at present. For two, because I have a lot of experience managing “on the road,” and for three, because I am highly “googleable” and you can all vet me by searching TyLean and know that I am who I say I am. I’ll create a separate post at the top.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

From Simon Dolan just as I looking into Bugle comment below.

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Simon Dolan #KBF
@simondolan
·
7h
Almost 28bn items of PPE have been ordered from UK-based manufacturers

That’s over 28,000 pieces for every person who works in the NHS.

Does that sound right to you….?

—
There is no end to this.

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago

If you are interested in how the government brainwashed the public into corona compliance, take a look at Simon Dolan’s twitter feed. Simon has retweeted a post by @TonyGreyMan, including government documents. HMG also bought the cooperation of the press in terrifying the public by placing lots of advertising during an otherwise slack time. Can somebody also draw Toby Young’s attention to this? Thanks.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Link please

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Sorry, not very tech literate. I just searched Simon Dolan’s latest tweets.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

The bribes to the press have been known since the beginning of this.

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago

I have studied the use of psychological techniques during this crisis but the buying of the press is news to me – that’s to say suspected not proven.

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Thanks, Carrie.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

You’re welcome 🙂 . In the chart, the boxes re legislation are interesting – almost the only ones that are mentioned as possibly negative.

I note on Simon’s Twitter someone has said that the two SAGE members whose names were withheld could be Bill and Melinda Gates – in the light of developments, this is not totally unlikely!

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Not reassuring. I think the aim is to create a ‘leper’ class, the only way out being vaccination.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

On April 07th 2020 WHO started talking about removing “sick” people from their families:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCIW4mmunbY

There is a longer video around, will try and find.

Hanjobs et al just following orders.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

Re the Maskist takeover of our government:

1. Until now mask wearing has been a voluntary matter. No one knows what terrible social and psychological damage will be caused by mass compulsory wearing of masks, especially to children.

2. The science behind this is dubious – but even where mask wearing is claimed to be beneficial there is always a caveat added eg “as long as masks are used properly”. This means people must put on fresh masks frequently and not fiddle with the masks. Of course these caveats are hardly ever met in real life.

3. Clearly there must also be dangers associated with wearing close fitting filthy rags around the mouth and nose. I doubt these have been properly assessed.

4. The negative impact on economic activity will be immense.

I was once a strong Boris supporter. Now I am a strong Johnson Sceptic.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The man is a dangerous idiot

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

he’s a fat bastard

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes, yes, and yes to all 3 comments – with the one exception that I always wondered how far one could trust the man. Now we know, alas!

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

During the election, I remember being a bit peeved at Andrew Neil for doing his anti-Boris monologue when BJ refused to be interviewed. I now realise that Neil was right, and I was completely wrong.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Andrew Neil – Brillo – has a very low opinion of our current crop of politicians, whatever their party colour.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I was always a Bristol– eh? Boris lol- sceptic but am really disappointed that I’ve been proved right (I was hoping we’d get a good brexit out of him at least – maybe we still will but it will all be down to David Frost not him and will be monstrously overshadowed by covid-1984 shitshow)

Youth_Unheard
Youth_Unheard
6 years ago

For all these measures to be in place from mask wearing to screens to distancing, all comes from the biased view that even the spread of COVID presents a “serious and imminent danger”. None of it is evidence based and if people realise this and conduct them accordingly with the evidence at hand, as my favourite line in this article says “as everyone knows, threats and bullies often go away when you stand up to them”. Highly recommend businesses reading this to understand THEY have the power to change the tide. We can do this.

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/risk-assessments-an-important-chink-in-the-lockdown-armour/

Tracy Jones
Tracy Jones
6 years ago

Please find a copy of an email I have just sent to my MP I feel so strongly about this issue,
Dear Mr Zahawi,

I have read with great fear and trepidation and I hope it is just another media hysteria, that the Conservative government led by Boris Johnson is about to make the wearing of face coverings mandatory in all shops.
I sincerely hope this is not the case as I look upon this as another breach of basic Human Rights by the Conservatives (which incidentally I am now ashamed to say I voted for) under the auspices of protecting us from the Covid 19 virus. This Virus even by the Governments own statistics has virtually disappeared, when it was at its height again under your own statistics it killed those in the 80 -90 + age bracket with a prevalence of other illnesses, the majority having dementia or Alzheimer’s. The incidence of death in the healthy under 60s has been just under 300, and in the under 50s the numbers do not even register on the Governments graphs. For 4 months we have been in Lockdown, and masks were not compulsory, now we are supposed to be returning to… Read more »

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Jones

Nicely put.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Jones

A very good letter.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Jones

Bravo!!!

Ian
Ian
6 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Jones

I wrote to him 3 times about my lad missing school. He has responded twice, with the standard Conservative Central Office response.

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago

This excellent article from The Spectator is a “must read”. It’s from April this year, but it comprehensively debunks the idea of face masks being useful. In fact, the article suggests they may make contagion worse. I’m waiting for the MSM to put the points raised in this article to those politicians who may force these muzzles upon us.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/face-masks-should-there-be-a-cover-up-

Here’s the Wikipedia bio of the author:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lee_(pathologist)

He also wrote an article mentioned above by Toby.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

John Lee is excellent, but that’s not the point. Nor is reasoning as much as Tracy’s email to Zahawi above is well put and valid. Because the whole rationale of putting people in face masks is disingenuous.They want us subjugated, lockdown was testing the waters as to how submissive we would be. Now they can go the full Monty. Unless there is an uprising this is it for the foreseeable future. It was always about social control.

Scotty87
Scotty87
6 years ago

Is there a more ridiculous sight than Boris Johnson gallivanting around wearing a mask?

He’s probably the most high profile person in the world to have contracted and defeated the disease. As far as I am aware, there is barely any evidence to suggest you can contract Covid twice or facilitate its spread once you have developed the particular antibodies.

Anybody with half a brain can see that this is no more than a cynical publicity stunt, a shameless piece of Covid virtue-signalling by the shepherd to please his flock of sheep.

Still, the blinkered masses will lap it up as they usher us towards a new era of isolation, suspicion and tyranny. The Muzzealots should be careful what they wish for.

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

This is a dam good read (lots of useful links) and there is a section relating to the effectiveness of masks…..book mark it as it is updated monthly

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

“Is there a more ridiculous sight than Boris Johnson gallivanting around wearing a mask?”

Yes, the ridiculous sight of Boris Johnson gallivanting around pretending to be leading us out of this fiasco.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Just about sums you up that does, Grant.

Zero balls

GrantM
GrantM
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

No, just a logical and rational thinker who isint selfish like everyone here

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  GrantM

That made me chuckle….

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  GrantM

I’ve got you marked down as a shit house

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  GrantM

you’re a absolute wanker through so there is that

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  GrantM

You ever ridden in a car? That’s fuckin’ selfish, number of deaths they cause.

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Zero brains

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

The mask is pointless though grantm. Indeed breathing your own co2 and expelled bacteria increases your risk to health issues. And then there is the lower oxygen levels. Oh and the touching and pulling at it. So I am wrong, its not pointless it is an unsafe thing to do. Critical think much.

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

No point trying to reason with GruntM……just comes here to insult (must make him feel better) never offers anything logical or intelligent.

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

The 77 Brigade’s finest has returned to spout the usual establishment horseshit.
Bore Off ..

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Christopher

Didn’t you mean ‘thickest” ?

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Yes sorry , i should have said thickest or mind controlled drone .

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Oh Grant, I’ve missed you
*blows kiss*

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

fuck you tedious cunt

Scotty87
Scotty87
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

“Maybe, just maybe we wont need to sooner than later”

You must have been living under a rock since March, mate. Remember when the lockdown was supposed to “just flatten the curve?” The curve flattened, then the conversation moved onto concerns about a “second spike.”

Then, thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters gathered all around across the country, cramming into public squares cheek by jowl. No spike ever occurred.

Now we’re being told that we’re in a “new normal” until a vaccine is found – so basically the government can boss us around and shut society down whenever they want due to the Orwellian powers they handed themselves contained within the Coronavirus Act.

So please forgive me, Grant, for being sceptical about any regulations these clueless despots foist onto us. You can wear that mask with pride for all I care – at least I’ll be able to easily identify you as part of the mindless flock should our paths ever cross!

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I think that if they’re going to introduce this, we need people of our persuasion to always be on the look-out for Tory MPs and ministers breaching the mask rule. If they’re going to make our lives a misery, we should make damn sure that it is for them, too. Every restaurant they go to, pub, shop, golf club bar, they should be photographed whenever they fail to humiliate themselves with a face nappy, and the photos should be posted to social media. Even those natural bed wetters the Guardian would be only too pleased to print such images of Tories, I should think.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

An excellent action to do.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

No, every time we see one of them not wearing a mask we should congratulate them for their efforts to free us from the fleas that have infested out country

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

He never had the virus. I don’t believe that for a second.

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Him , Tom Hanks and Edris Elba all utter bollocks.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago

A publican that is struggling with takings and frightened of the authorities, further restricts his capacity because friends were hugging and others cheering the football. An unconnected fight outside means everyone is tarred with the same brush – as ‘wild animals’.

Manchester Evening News: Popular pub shuts to general public after ‘wild animal’ drinkers turn reopening into ‘a bit of a nightmare’.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/popular-pub-shuts-general-public-18580750

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I can no longer bring myself to read the MEN. Recently counted 11 covid related horror stories in one online edition, all devoid of any factual information….

Biker
Biker
6 years ago

Lol, England to make masks compulsory. Who feels sick that they voted for that fat disgusting prick Boris thinking he was British and he’d get us out the EU and we’d be free. He’s just another deep state paid up member of the secret cabal. We’ll never be free of them. I know who’s behind this, you know in your bones who’s behind this and the fact if i were to say who’s behind this i’d be arrested, shows i’m right. This now ladies and gents is a war for our lives. There is no doubt whatsoever that are coming for us. The people behind this have hated Britain for a long time and this is their revenge

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Mate , you hit the nail on the head . I had to hold my nose when i went and voted for the fake conservative and rothschild plant Johnson , i voted solely for the reason that he wasn’t the power mad insane commie commissar Corbyn who would gladly destroy what was left of old Albion at an unprecedented rate . Johnson had one job to perform adequately and one job only , the one he promised us and that was to get us out of the EU.
Not in my worst nightmares did i envisage the dystopian hell he and his globalist scum underlings have unleashed on the people of Britain.
Not much of a choice we were presented with was it ?

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Christopher

It’s the end of the good ship Albion and i never thought for a second the people would be just fucking dandy with it. I despise these fuckers so much i can hardly breathe. What passes for a man in this country now is pathetic. They’re all sitting their on their fat arse’s playing xbox with their fat children and their fat wive’s while they hang around facebook lying to their fat fucking friends, eating fucking pizza and drinking coffee. The British people have become useless. The greatest nation in the history of the world is now a lazy, ignorant dumb fucking bunch of soft boned cunts.
I fully expect to be a causality in this coming war because i will not do what they say ever.

Christopher
Christopher
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I can’t argue with any of that although i would say that i was also once asleep to the war being conducted against the people of this island and the western world in general. I get utterly frustrated talking to my friends and family , even now after having this hoax thrust upon us and the stripping of our freedom they still refuse to accept there is any truth to what i have say regarding the real truth to the world we now face having forced upon us all.
It’s utterly demoralising to think the descendants of the people that built the greatest civilisation the world has ever seen reduced to this.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Buying bacon and a joint of 30 day aged beef rib in for tomorrow (joys of knowing a real butcher) with yorkie puds in the local council run market got chatting to the butchers who saw my sceptics badge.

The market is now a depressing place with most stall empty – decamping to another nearby market with a different council where rents are 75% lower – and pointed them in the direction of the unbeliever sceptics world of underground revolution.

Not plastic screens, no masks, no gloves, no social distancing, no tracks and trace, takes cash and hates the councils as they have made them pay full rent even when shut “because they have and the business rates rebate of upto £10000 so have an income” in the words of the council.

Councils are the enemy so went through with them guidelines are not enforceable (I have this in writing form the council, offers them a copy of the e-mail) and went through how to stuff the council if the council say everything is under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 by telling them where to find the scientific evidence for a risk assessment that makes the council/government… Read more »

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Doing good work there AG!

Biker
Biker
6 years ago

Went to the shops, lots of people wearing masks, i didn’t. I’m very concerned that Sturgeon has said mask wearing should be the same as wearing a seatbelt in a car. These people, and brain-dead Sturgeon thinks my life should be made a total misery in a mask forever. Fuck her. Maybe they don’t understand humanity but i can see the type of person who joined the IRA or UVF and the like taking up arms against the vile fuckers that are trying to make us wear masks and starting armed rebellions. The whole thing is to turn the world into a prison. I wish i was a drinker because i could do with one

Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
6 years ago

Far from it. I have the distinct feeling more and more are joining the club titled “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Answer to the anonymous doctor from earlier:

I was in a situation a few years ago when it came to a choice of stand my ground and lose my career or kowtow, do as told and risk maybe killing hundreds of people if it all went wrong – thing deepwater horizon or Piper Alpha consequences.

My wife said “do whatever you feel is right with you”, I’ll back you. I never backed down, faced threats of court cases and tens of millions of personal damages and so on – won without going to court after 2 years as company and sub-contractor did not have a leg to stand on and all because I had a piece of paper signed by a 3rd party inspector that said “equipment not fit for purpose” and I refused to use it.

Speaking to people doing these are jobs see they told me that they didn’t think they had the balls or guts to do what I did and stand up for what I believed in and my answer – “you should not be doing this job then with all those lives depending on you to do the right think then”.

But that’s just me,… Read more »

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

As my beloved father used to say, ‘you have to be able to face yourself in the mirror every day’. I can, and so can you. Doctors need to muster the courage to do that – they are starting from a position of respect and trust in wider society. I tried very hard to change things in my career, and I was forced out long before I had achieved what I could and should have done. Sometimes you just have to do what is right, and it really is black or white.

Hoppity
Hoppity
6 years ago

I hope you’re wrong, but… I seem to remember seeing mention somewhere the other day of cases of the bubonic plague (in China?) and also swine flu somewhere or other.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Hoppity

Now that it is evident how easy it is to fool people and seize power, it’s probable it will become addictive

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Was in Blackpool yesterday, quite a few Scottish families down enjoying themselves at the seaside in the sun and wind while away and escaped from Gulag Sturgeonland.

While having a cup of coffee in the sun a family sat on the next bench and we got chatting (I am half Scottish, from Edinburgh, just don’t sound it as lived away for most of my life) and I asked them did they get Sturgeon’s permission to leave?

They replied no but she may stop them at the border on the way in and imprison them for a few weeks until decontaminated unless they slip across at night.

Not one of them had a good word to say about her, about how Scotland is handling things and how much more “civillised” being in England was and how the English were a lot more open, friendly and to paraphrase them – being perfidious albion and ignoring diktat instead of being afce down arse up as in Scotland.

They said Robert the Bruce would be ashamed for what passes for Scots nowadays.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

There’s some poor bugger (sorry cannot recall actual name but its all avatars and handles anyway!) on this thread booked in for a few days hol up here… oh how my heart sinks for them! A change is as good as a break and all that!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

The boys on Culloden did not fight for any of this.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

My ancestors fought at Culloden, and I’m darned sure it wasn’t so that people had to wear face nappies and antisocial distance and all the rest of the gubbins.

Ian
Ian
6 years ago

What I don’t understand is, if masks and face coverings work, why does everyone have to wear them? Surely if I am a vector of disease, a germ ridden danger, the fact that those who wish to wear a mask believing it protects then then must be safe from my germs. If they aren’t, why bother?

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Ah apparently the virus is terribly clever and only goes one way through a mask. Apparently I have to wear a face nappy to protect you and vice versa. My own nappy doesn’t protect me. Go figure.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

It sounds mad but clearly I have just solved the universe! One way mssks? Just wear two back to back.

Don’t know if this works for doubling up winter scarves but surely a boffin can model-up something nasty to prove.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian

They do it for our safety more than theirs apparently

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

How very Christian of them, putting me before themselves, however I don’t believe them!

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian

It’s one of these “if it helps even just a tiny bit it’s worth it” situations.

There could be 1 person in the whole world who is infected and they would still argue that there’s some evidence to say masks help.

So if 7 Billion people all wear masks collectively they might save half a life so it would be worth it.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

From blog I read, sometimes he’s wrong and says so once he’s fully investigated something, this he keeps repeating:

The Coronavirus test is not credible and likely to be for clandestine brain access.They are claiming the virus wrecks the nervous systems of a large percentage of people, leaving lasting neurological problems and brain damage.  But I’d like to ask – is it really a virus doing that, or are the tests doing that? Folks, the coronavirus tests themselves, in many cases, (there are probably different types) but in many cases they are obviously what is causing the brain damage. Easily explained:Many of the tests, (all of them that use the incredibly long “swab”) take their samples from the cribriform plate, which is a millimeter thick bone at the top of the nasal cavity that is perforated with many holes that go directly into the brain cavity. These holes are what your olefactory nerves pass through, and there are many (the bone is similar to a coarse screen)http://82.221.129.208/cribriform.jpg
If you wanted to sabotage someone by planting a clandestine brain virus, nano tech, or plant a chip in someone, this would be the place to do it because perhaps a doctor could get a… Read more »

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

They are claiming the virus wrecks the nervous systems of a large percentage of people, leaving lasting neurological problems and brain damage. 

It has to do with poor health prior to getting Covid, nutrient deficiencies especially vitamin D, magnesium, Zinc, vitamin C, poor diet, dehydration, not enough sleep, not enough movement/exercise and taking many prescribed pharmaceutical drugs with many side effects that only treat the symptoms and not the underlying cause.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Yes plus iodine. We are all iodine deficient nowadays, and iodine is the building block for pretty much every organ in your body. I started taking iodine some time ago now in addition to everything you mention above, and since then I haven’t even had a cold, never mind influenza or Covid.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Agree. I take 6.25mg Iodine per day with Selenium. Dr Brownstein’s Iodine book is world-class and a must have.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Absolutely. A great book.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Yikes AG. That’s quite a hypothesis!

However, it was noted only yesterday that if we can get an infection merely from walking past someone – hence justifying mask-wearing, why does the test have to shove the swab so far into the nasal cavity?

We should be asking this question at every single opportunity on the BTL comments of the MSM.

Has anyone here had a test? Can you confirm about the lasting discomfort etc?

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

It’s a numbers game. In theory you might be able to detect the virus in some air someone had breathed out but the smaller a sample you have the more you have to crank up the test cycles increasing the chance of false positives. The better the sample you can get the more confidence you can have in the result.

It is the same with getting infected in that you probably do also need a decent dose. But the goal is to minimise infections and maximise testing accuracy so it makes sense to treat the two scenarios differently.

I haven’t had a test and don’t plan on it. It’s not so much the nanobots being implanted in my brain I’m worried about but the test doesn’t sound particularly enjoyable and it’s important to do one’s civic duty and avoid creating any surges, spikes, upticks or outbreaks.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

After being out and about for the past couple of days I’ll make the following couple of comments rather than do a full “report”:

if the government think a max £10 voucher off food 3 nights a week will get things moving they are even more stupid and incompetent that even I though shops and pubs that are more insistent on following guidelines are nearly empty, premises that just let you get on with it and just pay lips service are doing ,to better trade mask wearing is way down from last week – brilliant sign the badge I got from two-six is great for kicking off conversations. A GP and a hospital nurse both said “so you’ve researched what’s going on? OK, we don’t need to tell you anything then” and promptly forgot social distancing, masks, hand washing, sanitising communal pens and clipboards and both admitted they have had nothing to do for the past 4 months councils are doing a great job of destroying the high street even more than they were previously – they have had market holders paying full int when closed because “they had the £10000 rebate on rates” very few including pharmacy staff know… Read more »

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Which badge did you get? Sounds a useful thing to have!

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

It’s one that says “Covid 1984 Not Brainwashed”.

Not seen two six on here for a few days but his e-mail is [email protected]

Sent a few to my buddy in the north east, he had success with it in the pub last night meeting other sceptics who thought they were the only ones questioning things.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

That sounds a good one!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Buy his badges, he’s a great guy.
Great guy, could you do a nappy-exempt badge?

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Annie, I donated a fiver for two. We’ll wear them on the basis that we have acute sceptic-cytis….

https://www.euansguide.com/news/face-mask-exempt-badges/

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Time well spent speaking to the cleaner – the ripples of that one conversation will go far, the joy of being right is sometimes beautiful!

A certain contrast from the Scotlands capital that is now mask wearing central. Early days for the mandatory masks in shops. The tendency still prevails to become relaxed as you describe England.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

My years as a senior boss keeping crews safe is paying off.

Plus annoying upper management arseholes is always a bonus.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I want an Awkward Git badge!

T. Prince
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

“keeping crews safe”?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Yep, anything upto 250 depending on what we were working on and the project and the buck stopped with me.

Hoppity
Hoppity
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Some workplaces are like ripple tanks, and ultimately the ripples go nowhere. And being right is not so much a joy as a burden in places like that. (It’s being so cheery wot keeps me going.)

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Hoppity

Haha! Very good. But I knows I’m right. Tell a person an interesting ponderence that is relevant to them, and it will be discussed later in that unbeatable word of mouth way.

Do you know what happened to day at work luv? This mad hairy Awkward git came up to me and said bio hazard… and he’s right! You’re still alive though luv! Shall I put the kettle on?

arfurmo
arfurmo
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

If you want to really work the system , starter in restaurant a, main course in restaurant b, dessert in restaurant c plus soft drinks .

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Interested to know more about the conversation with the GP and nurse..

Suitejb
Suitejb
6 years ago

I find myself in a tricky situation regarding these damn masks! I have offered to take a good friend to hospital for chemo treatment and whilst I (reluctantly) accept wearing a mask in hospital it turns out I have to wear one in the car as well. That’s an hour each way.
For many years I ran a community car scheme where volunteers provided transport in their own cars to take elderly people, or those with disabilities, to medical appointments. By definition most of the clients were vulnerable either because of age or illness but no driver, or passenger, ever wore a mask. A driver might spend hours with a patient, either in the hospital or the car and the idea that he/she might be a risk to that person’s health was only considered if the driver was obviously unwell. Common sense then prevailed and the driver didn’t work until better.
Any virus or bug could seriously affect someone with other conditions but it’s a bit like out of sight, out of mind – if we’re not reminded about something we don’t think about it and therefore don’t worry about it. Sadly we’re not being allowed to forget about COVID.
… Read more »

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Suitejb

Most medical staff I’ve encountered the last few days have the mask down below their noses anyway and some it’s on for show so just wear it as far down your face as you can get away with and have done with it.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Suitejb

consider a bandana or scarf as a decoy

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria
Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  Suitejb

AFAIK, you should not be operating machinery while wearing a mask that does not have an exhale valve.
The exhale valve allows all your breath out to leave the mask.
Other types of mask are prone to lowering your oxygen intake and giving elevated CO2 levels, none of which are ideal.
That Glasgow bin lorry driver had some sort of condition that caused him to pass out and now they are encouraging drivers to wear garments likely to do the same

Of course if you have a mask with an exhale valve, that is the ideal one to wear withe maskerbating Karens.
Absolutely f******* pointless, it’s a dust mask ( with bullshit written in blackmarker across it of course)

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

As far as I know the govt consider it perfectly acceptable to wear one with an exhale valve, which presumably will not protect other people since any coughs or sneezes will come straight out of the valve? So anyone wearing such a mask is definitely not doing it “because I care”…

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Yes, exactly, if it has an exhale valve then all your exhalation has just been concentrated straight aahead.h
However as you are not rebreathing stale air you are safer to drive or operate other machinery.
There used to be a saying “you couldn’t make it up” but I fear we have gone beyond that.

It would be an interesting court case if someone had an accident and proferred the excuse that they momentarily passed out due to low SpO2 caused by wearing a mask!

Dave Tee
Dave Tee
6 years ago

I have the greatest respect for the good people running petitions and making legal challenges but I suspect that boots on the ground will be a far more effective protest. If masks become mandatory for shopping then PLEASE stop patronising the supermarkets, in person and online. They are big enough to take the hit without making wholesale redundancies – but they will soon start kicking off if their profits fall. Buy from local shops and in particular open markets where masks will presumably not be required.

I have set aside a stash of stuff for emergencies and I will be living off that for as long as possible if this latest bollocks gets introduced.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Dave Tee

And pay with CASH as much as possible!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Dave Tee

And don’t forget to boycott museums, art galleries, heritage sites and visitor attractions – your pre-booked tickets will mean that you will be entered into the NHS T&T unless you withhold your consent while booking.

Liam
Liam
6 years ago

I quite genuinely feel that I am losing my sanity in all this. I’m quite a robust person generally but feel an appalling sense of rising distress.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Think of yourself as part of the underground resistance fighting to overthrow a totalitarian regime gain freedom for the people and you won’t be far wrong.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

That’s exactly what it is.

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

If it helps, you’re not on your own. I feel exactly the same.

Drawde927
Drawde927
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Same here too. I feel a lot more scared, powerless and dispirited now than I did in the early days of the lockdown.
I have lots of hobbies (not least gardening) to keep my mind occupied, but it’s hard to keep a positive frame of mind when society’s response to the virus has so completely diverged from the reality (it feels like it’s been going that way over the last month at at least – but the last week or so, with the Leicester lockdown and threat of compulsory masks, is the worst). It seems like the Government have dug themselves into a post-truth, post-rational hole and are taking everyone else with them.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

Keep up the gardening, and this time of year it’s great to do the full monty (don) and just sit and enjoy your work. Take time out to just enjoy how remarkable nature is.

Dave Tee
Dave Tee
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Me too, Liam. You feel terrified, overwhelmed, and powerless. Please know that you’re not alone.

Ian
Ian
6 years ago
Reply to  Dave Tee

Me too Liam. It is a horrible, sinking, debilitating feeling that sucks the fun and enjoyment out of life.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Chin up Liam. We are all here for each other. I am not distressed for myself per se, but for my sons (18 and 20), whose lives have, and will have been, needlessly turned upside down because of the catastrophic failings of my generation of elites. Keep focused on judgment day, because it will be here before the protagonists reckon!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

That’s true. Once the tipping point comes, CERRRRRASH!

Liam
Liam
6 years ago

Thanks TT.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I know how you feel, but be strong. And don’t spend foo much time dwelling on it, even on this site.Go and so something nice and normal. And think how that evil mob hate normal: every normal thing you do is a poke in their eyes.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Remember what Ghandi said – you may be a minority of one but the truth is still the truth.

Truth Passes Through Three Stages: First, It Is Ridiculed. Second, It Is Violently Opposed. Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I’ve always taken the view that if I’m with the mainstream, I’ve got something wrong.

DressageRider
DressageRider
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Me too.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I’ve been feeling the same way too – I swing between optimism and pessimism. You are not alone, this site has been a life saver.

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It’s really getting to me today.The past three days had been the most pleasantly normal for me in months, a meal out with almost complete normality,a visit to the shops with no distancing being done with everyone behaving normally,no enforcement of any stupid rules in any of the shops,I didn’t see any muzzlers in the hour or so I was there and just a calm relaxed atmosphere overall.
But today with the obvious approach of compulsory muzzles in England I am constantly swinging between anger and anxiety,every time I see a small glimmer of hope a new demon appears over the hill,more evil than the last one.Muzzles next,what then,eye shields ?,gloves ?,an orange jumpsuit with a number on ?.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I agree – it seem to be two steps forward 10 steps back. Makes you wonder when it will ever end.

Mr Bart and I were talking about the possibility of people having had enough and taking matters into their own hands. He agrees with me that we don’t have to wait until October especially as more job losses are reported and more businesses go bust.

Hang in there.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

We don’t. But Serbia, Bulgaria and Albania have already taken to the streets and got lockdowns ended there. It’s a ticking bomb, and if nothing shifts public opinion, the economic implosion certainly will. As I love to say to lockdown supporters: tick-tock.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

You are far from alone Liam. I often lie awake at night, anxiety levels rocketing, depression as a big cloud over me, shaking. I’m not in the least bit frightened of a virus, but I’m scared to death as to what has become of this country inside a few short months. I want to move away – but where to? I can’t see the remotest bit of sanity anywhere on this earth right now.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

You’re not alone, you’re NOT alone!!

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

A very dispiriting experience: a visit to our local Tesco. I would say that possibly a third of the people in there were wearing masks and doing the Covid swerve around each other. I was surprised at how much I found myself despising them.

Rather than getting back to normal, I think it’s getting much worse.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

In Blackpool yesterday and Stoke today – only about 2% of people asked up which was encouraging so it’s a bit hit and miss.

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

North Essex, in town 5%?

Laura
Laura
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

It’s absolutely getting worse. This fear and division will be with us forever

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Like Awkward Git, where I live (a Tory shire), the ones in masks are few and far between. With the exception of Scotland, is this a London/metropolitan-type phenomenon?

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

I would concur with that. we have heard out in the shires, or sticks, of Scotland there will be much less intense than the University city of Edinburgh. Glasgow seems more real world too.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics
I have a strong family and business connection to Scotland. One side of my family is a mix of French and Irish Catholic, the other is Scots (Glasgow) Protestant and Irish Catholic. I have a niece in Scotland, and have been a regular business visitor to both Edinburgh and Glasgow since late 1980s. More recently, Stirling has been part of my travels. Never quite get away with Edinburgh - feels a bit like Oxford, which I also know quite well (metropolitan luvvie). Love Glasgow. Sorry Biker, I know you will be along to reprimand me!
Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

Sorry about format of the post – something has happened and I cannot change it – any thoughts welcome!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Something has indeed happened!

T. Prince
6 years ago

“is this a London/metropolitan-type phenomenon?”

No, it’s a self righteous, sanctimonious, cry baby phenomenon

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

It’s a psy-op!
And they’re doubling up on the 2nd wave nonsense at the moment too – we all have to get slim and fit ready for the 2nd wave this winter.
FFS!!

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes, BG has already said on camera that people *will* take it seriously the ‘next time’..

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago

I think that I must live in the same part of the country as Awkward Git from some of the things he has been posting. From the beginning, I’ve thought that most of the “rules” have only been developed with London and the large metropolitan areas in mind-those places with underground lines or with large commuter belts where buses and trams are standing room only.
In my city, we don’t have any of those things. The shops around here were never crammed to capacity even before lockdown and on weekdays you could stay at least five metres away from anyone in the main stores, let alone two metres, so very, very few people here wear masks. The tsunami of cases expected by the local hospitals never materialised nor was there any noticeable increase in the number of death notices in the local paper. There are no queues to get in any of the supermarkets now and yet it looks like we are going to get the “London treatment” and be forced to wear muzzles against our will.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Intersting to hear about the local paper evidence (lack of). One of the old people I shop for is a self confessed obituary junkie! She keeps an eye as she seems to know many people. She has discussed notices she’s seen here but not mentioned any increase. Never occured to me until reading your comment Margaret. Absolutely, there ought to have been a rise, especially since the disgusting funeral limitations.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Noticed some of that today in the Lakes. I despise and pity them.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

No evidence anyone has died from the coronavirus
“Dr Stoian Alexov, President of the Bulgarian Pathology Association stated in an interview with Dr Stoycho Katsarov, chair of the Centre of protection of citizens’ rights, that, “No one has died from the coronavirus. People are dying with coronavirus, not from”. It’s the comorbidities such as cardiovascular disease that are killing people. He was clear that a pandemic should never have been declared and that in his opinion, covid-19 is nowhere near as dangerous as it’s been made out to be.

He also said that autopsies of covid patients have not identified a specific antibody that can be used to identify the presence of the coronavirus. Criticising the WHO’s handling of the situation, Dr Alexov said it has manipulated and misrepresented information and is “creating worldwide chaos, with no real facts”.”

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/news-alerts-week-28-2020

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

What have antibodies got to do with autopsies? Who is testing for antibodies post mortem? Post mortem tests are antigen tests – nasal and throat swabs – just like you do with the living.

An antibody body test would not tell you if there was current infection.

The problem with post mortem testing is when it’s used to avoid an autopsy examination if a positive result occurs.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

Petition: DEMAND REPEAL OF THE CORONAVIRUS ACT
Times of crisis are ripe for the watering down of human rights. When the pandemic hit, the Government introduced overbearing legislation – the Coronavirus Act – which gives the state extraordinary powers to restrict our civil liberties. We must demand our rights are safeguarded, starting with the repeal of the Coronavirus Act.

The Coronavirus Act introduced sweeping powers that were the greatest limitation on liberty in a generation.

Under the Coronavirus Act 2020:

Police forces have been granted broad and unworkable powers to detain anyone who could be infectious – every charge made under the Coronavirus Act has been found by the Criminal Prosecution Service have been created to forcibly test, question and isolate people indefinitely – with criminal sanctions if they don’t comply Safeguards for disabled people, people with mental health issues and those who rely on social care have been stripped away just when people were most at risk Dangerous restrictions on the right to protest have been created Borders can be closed and some elections suspended The Coronavirus Act has failed to uphold people’s rights while leaving the most marginalised worst affected.

These emergency measures are still in force and Parliament can… Read more »

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Signed

Steve Hayes
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Part 2 Section 90 allows for any power to be altered or extended by ministerial fiat. No need for parliamentary approval.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Which is outrageous!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Signed.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Signed

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

signed

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