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Keeping the handbrake on is a polite way of describing Boris’s raft of announcements yesterday about how and when the lockdown is going to be eased. On Twitter, I described it as placing the country on “double secret probation”, so elaborate are the rules about when we’re allowed out of our domestic prisons. Others have been more forthright. One reader described the Prime Minister’s speech as a “nothingburger squared”, while Kathy Gyngell at Conservative Woman has a new name for our glorious leader: Bottler Boris.

The weird thing is, lots of people think he went too far. That was particularly true of left-wing politicians. Jeremy Corbyn, for instance, tweeted: “There should be no return to work until it is safe to do so. If work cannot be done safely, it should not proceed. People must come before private profit.” The idea, obviously, is to get it on record that they think Boris is making a dreadful mistake so if the death toll starts to rise they can pin that on him. Sturgeon is playing the same game. Happily, that didn’t stop people getting on the tube to return to work this morning. London Mayor Sadiq Khan has responded by saying wearing masks on public transport should be compulsory.

One thing that stood out in Boris’s speech was how often he mentioned “the R” – the rate of infection. Clearly, how free we’re allowed to be is inextricably bound up with what the R number is, although the details were hard to follow. That led Ben Pile, a Spiked contributor, to post this amusing summary of the speech on Twitter: “If I understand the Prime Minister, the level of alert will be updated by scientists checking their Rs. If their Rs is low, then we can be free. But if their Rs is high, then we must be locked up again. Scientists will be speaking to the Prime Minister through their Rs.” He then added: “The PM will be checking the scientists’ Rs every day. Scientists will also be checking each others Rs – a method pioneered by Prof Neil Ferguson and his lover.”

If there’s one straw to clutch at, it’s that Boris has abandoned the crackpot notion that any reimposition of restrictions after some modest easing would be “an economic disaster”. That’s what he said when he addressed the nation on April 27th, announcing we couldn’t possibly relax any of the extreme social distancing measures if there was the slightest risk it would lead to an uptick in infections. I despaired at the time because it seemed like a “test” that could never be met. But he’s done a reverse ferret on that, thank God. Now the line is that if infections start to rise, restrictions will be tightened up again until they start to fall. Indeed, he unveiled a ‘Covid Alert’ metre that will dictate when restrictions are turned on and off. As several readers have pointed out, it bears an uncanny resemblance to the ‘Peri-ometer’ at Nando’s, the high-street peri-peri chicken chain:

Another reason we should welcome switching measures on and off in response to the rise and fall of the R number – first suggested in the Imperial College March 16th paper – is that it seems unlikely infections will start to climb again as a result of any easing. In Germany, for instance, it’s clear that new infections have been trending downwards since the lockdown was dialled back a couple of weeks ago. And, of course, infections have also been declining in those countries that never imposed lockdowns in the first place, such as Sweden.

And Belarus. We mustn’t forget Belarus. A reader reminded me yesterday that no lockdown has been imposed in the East European republic and it has experienced one of the mildest Covid outbreaks anywhere in the world. Only 135 deaths so far, which works out at 14 per million. Who would have suspected that Alexander Lukashenko, the autocratic President of Belarus, would have managed this crisis better than our own democratically-elected leaders? As Mark put it in the comments beneath yesterday’s daily update: “What a state we have come to when a thuggish ageing Belarussian autocrat makes our entire political, media and social elite look like a bunch of scared, hysterical old women (with due apologies to all the sterling ladies of a certain age posting here).”

So why are infections unlikely to start trending upwards post-lockdown and why have they been falling in those countries – and US states – that never made the disastrous mistake in the first place? One theory is that the herd immunity threshold is far lower than originally anticipated – more like 7-24% than 50-60%. Nicholas Lewis, a climate change researcher, has written a piece that parses the evidence and sets out the argument. He shows that variation in COVID-19 susceptibility and infectivity between individuals, arising mainly from differences in their social connectivity, lowers the herd immunity threshold to a much more manageable level. His analysis draws on a recent preprint by Gomes et al entitled ‘Individual variation in susceptibility or exposure to SARS-CoV-2 lowers the herd immunity threshold‘. Lewis’s paper is well worth a read.

By the way, what happened to the much-heralded Porton Down antibody testing survey? That involved randomly testing tens of thousands of people with a view to building up a picture of just how many Britons had been infected. It was announced over a month ago and I haven’t heard a peep about it since. Can any reader throw any light on this?

One more reason why the R number is unlikely to go up post-lockdown is that it may have sunk to below 1 before the lockdown was imposed and remained at that level throughout. That’s what happened in Germany. This chart from the Robert Koch Institute shows that by March 23rd, when the German Government imposed its most severe lockdown measures, the reproduction figure was already below 1, meaning the number of new infections was declining. In addition, it shows that in the following weeks, after the lockdown was in place, the R figure didn’t decline any further. So the lockdown didn’t result in any additional reduction of new cases.

“Sue Denim” has been in touch to point out that several other people with similar levels of coding expertise have posted analyses of Neil Ferguson’s code that are as scathing as his. Take this one, for instance, by Chris von Csefalvay. He is an epidemiologist specialising in the virology of bat-borne illnesses, including bat-related coronaviruses. “It is very difficult to look at the Ferguson code with any understanding of software engineering and conclude that this is good, or even tolerable,” he writes. He notes that Ferguson apologised for the poor quality of the code on Twitter, explaining that he wrote it more than 13 years ago to model flu pandemics. Csefalvay responds as follows: “That, sir, is not a feature. It’s not even a bug. It’s somewhere between negligence and unintentional but grave scientific misconduct.”

Then there’s this review by Craig Pirrong, Professor of Finance and Energy Markets Director of the Global Energy Management Institute at the Bauer College of Business, University of Houston. “Models only become science when tested against data/experiment,” he writes. “By that standard, the Imperial College model failed spectacularly.”

Meanwhile, the quality of the responses to these critiques by Ferguson’s defenders is pitiful. Like this one by Phil Bull, a Lecturer in Cosmology at Queen Mary University headlined ‘Why you can ignore reviews of scientific code by commercial software developers‘. Includes a caveat that tells you everything you need to know: “I will caveat this section with the fact that I am an astrophysicist and not an epidemiologist, so can’t critique the model assumptions or even really the extent to which it has been implemented well in the Imperial code.”

Problems continue to mount for the NHSx contact-tracing app. On May 7th, the parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights chaired by Harriet Harman published its report on the first version of the app and it doesn’t look like anyone on that Committee is going to be installing it on their phones anytime soon. The same person who wrote a detailed analysis of the app’s shortcomings for Lockdown Sceptics has summarised the Committee’s findings:

  • The Committee does not believe the app, in its nascent form, is even legal: “Unless the efficacy and benefits of the app are clear, the level of data being collected will be not be justifiable and it will therefore fall foul of data protection law and human rights protections.”
  • From the summary: “there are significant concerns about a tracking app being rolled out at speed with the potential longer-term effects on personal freedoms and concerns around surveillance encroaching on people’s everyday lives…” “The implications of such an app are so widespread, significant, and, as yet, subject to limited public examination, that they should be subject to the in-depth scrutiny of Parliament at the earliest opportunity. The Committee is concerned that this has not happened to date.” “The implementation and oversight of this app must, in our view, be urgently placed on a legislative footing…”
  • The Committee is calling for primary legislation to govern the app and the use of its data, plus an independent body to oversee it. Matt Hancock has apparently appointed an independent Ethics Advisory Board but the Committee sees this as insufficient.

Meanwhile, in Germany an anti-lockdown political party has been formed called Widerstand2020 Deutschland. Founded on April 21st, it has already attracted more than 100,000 members (although that number is contested). I can’t find anything about the party in any English-language publications, but it has a German website and a Facebook page and its two leaders are Ralf Ludwig, a Leipzig-based lawyer, and Dr Bodo Schiffmann, an ear, nose and throat specialist. Together, they’re known as Ralf and Bodo. (There was a third leader, Victoria Hamm, but she seems to have dropped out.) There is some discussion in Germany about whether Widerstand2020 Deutschland is, technically, a political party because single-issue parties are legally prohibited from participating in elections by Germany’s Basic Law. The fact that it accepts anonymous donations also rules it out. Widerstand2020 Deutschland has a page on Wikipedia, but lockdown zealots are straining every sinew to get it removed. (The party’s website has also been under attack since May 3rd.) The entry notes that a “right wing extremism researcher” called Matthias Quent believes the party – and the German lockdown sceptics movement in general – is a “collective of dissatisfied, frustrated and esoteric types, conspiracy theorists, people who are against vaccinations, anti-Semites and right-wing radicals”. A German-speaking reader of this website, to whom I’m indebted for doing some research on this for me, notes that nearly all the reporting about Widerstand2020 Deutschland in the German media has been dismissive. “The tendency to lump the entire membership of the organisation together as dangerous extremists dominates all the news reports I found,” he says. Dr Schiffmann also has a YouTube channel in which he makes arguments that will be familiar to readers of this site, such as questioning the level of danger presented by the virus and pointing out how disproportionate the response has been. One interesting fact uncovered by my researcher: the German term for lockdown is “der lockdown”. Incidentally, widerstand is the German word for resistance. If Widerstand2020 Deutschland does figure out how to get around Germany’s election rules I’ve no doubt it will do well. Das Bild, Europe’s biggest-selling newspaper, announced yesterday that the lockdown in Germany had been a “huge mistake”. Breitbart has more.

The UK still seems a long way from the emergence of Widerstand2020 Großbritannien, but an embryonic anti-lockdown movement is emerging. For instance, a group of sceptics in Manchester were out yesterday plastering the town with stickers. The group, which calls itself “For Freedom’s Sake” and can be found on Twitter here, is hoping to encourage others by engaging in small acts of resistance, a bit like Otto and Elise Hampel, the Berlin couple who wrote postcards denouncing Hitler and left them in public places around the city. Here’s one of the stickers:

And now for our own small act of resistance. Today, Lockdown Sceptics is launching a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as to help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have reopened near you. Should all be fairly self-explanatory – and the owners of small businesses are welcome to enter their own details. Please visit the page and let us know about those courageous entrepreneurs who are doing their bit to get the country moving again.

And check this out. An enterprising family has created a drive-thru McDonald’s in their back garden. But don’t add underground businesses like that to our directory. We don’t want the police to use it as a tool to track down Covid dissidents.

A reader in Japan has sent me this imaginative diagram that a designer friend of his has created to help people understand the social distancing rules. Could this be an example of what will come to be known as Covid art? Obviously, I don’t include this monstrous piece of propaganda by Banksy in that category.

Artist: Eisuke Tachikawa, known as NOSIGNER, creator of the PANDAID portal

Good letter in the Yorkshire Post yesterday from Peter Snowdon contrasting his fathers’ generation, which won the Second World War, with the current lot of bed-wetters:

They would be appalled by the way in which we have responded to this pandemic. They would think that we are unable to balance and manage risk. The effects of the breakdown of the economy will put those vital parts of society – the health service, education and social care – back by many years. We will live with the economic effects of these few weeks for years to come. Unemployment will soar and many more people will die worldwide than ever succumb to the virus as a result of the economic strictures that will be in place.

Let’s honour the memory of those who died, or gave up their younger years, by accepting that, in times of natural disaster, we cannot solve everything. Our parents did so and ‘just got on with it’. We cannot reduce the numbers dying to nothing and we shouldn’t rob the future of millions of people in a futile effort to do so.

I received a heart-rending email from an isolated sceptic in Bexhill-on-Sea, a small town on England’s south coast. “Never has there been a bunch of more hysterical, scared-shitless snowflakes, not only wanting the lockdown to carry on for months, but to tighten it down to unprecedented levels,” he writes. “There is a very popular community-based facebook group here and there are literally hundreds of posts screaming about the slight ease-up in restrictions that Bojo spoke about last night.” He continues:

Toby, I wanted to post something on the group with the alternate point of view, but my wife and daughter wouldn’t let me! I realised myself that I would generate so much abuse and hate and wouldn’t be surprised if I was hounded out of the group. I have friends in the same group and I actually think I would lose some of them if I put in my penny-worth. It has actually become like the Brexit/Remainer thing now, dividing communities and even families. There is a lot of shaming of, not only those breaking the lockdown, but those who dare to walk on the seafront who are still socially distancing.

I’m sure there are a lot of readers of this site who feel his pain.

I was at Comedy Unleashed, the samizdat comedy night in Bethnal Green, on March 10th when Dominic Frisby unveiled a new verse to his ‘Maybe’ song, this one about coronavirus. Talk about prophetic! You can see Dominic singing that verse here. If you fancy anther dose of Comedy Unleashed-style humour, there’s this brilliant YouTube piss-take of Nicola Sturgeon reacting to Boris’s announcement by Jane Godley. Warning: Contains profanity. And this YouTube video by Paul Weston is laugh-out-loud funny. Slow start, but wait till you get to the bit when he points out that people aged 19 and under are about as likely to die from COVID-19 as they are from putting on their trousers. Apparently, eight people died while trying to do that last year.

Conor Friedersdorf, a journalist at the Atlantic I have a lot of time for, wrote a good piece yesterday entitled ‘Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously‘. After summarising the sceptics’ case, he writes: “These facts may not be evident from the least thoughtful proponents of reopening, many of whom advance arguments that are uninformed, dismissive of experts, or callous. But the warnings of thoughtful shutdown skeptics warrant careful study, not stigma rooted in the false pretense that they don’t have any plausible concerns or value human life.”

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Some more suggestions for theme songs from readers: ‘Wake Up‘ by Rage Against the Machine, ‘Isolation‘ by Joy Division, ‘Sitting Round at Home‘ by the Buzzcocks and, of course, ‘Infected‘ by the The. Can’t believe we haven’t had that one before.

Thanks as always to those who made a donation in the last 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of the site. If you feel like donating, you can do so by clicking here. (Every little helps!) And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, you can email me here.

And finally, Guy de la Bédoyère, a long-standing contributor to this site, has written a great essay for Lockdown Sceptics about Britain’s slide into totalitarianism. Guy is a historian who mainly writes books about the Roman world, but he taught a course on Totalitarian Ideology in Theory and Practice for a number of years. Please do read the whole thing, but here’s an extract:

One of the most remarkable aspects of the creation of Britain’s Covid Reich was that even in the middle of the Government’s witless, confused and ambivalent approach to the crisis it was able to rustle up overnight many of the key ingredients of totalitarianism. The ideology and the slogans, and the continual repetition of the message with the supine assistance of broadcast media, all fell into place with frightening speed. The speed with which the Great British Public acquiesced was even more alarming.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago

Do we have anyone on here from the remoter parts of the UK, say Scottish Highlands & Islands. rural Wales, rural north Pennies, Scottish Borders?

If so how have your communities handled the lockdown? Has your community carried on as normal?

I would be intrigued to know.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Edna
Edna
6 years ago

This just beggars belief. I know The Times has reported it, but, surely, Mr. Hancock couldn’t really have said “Hugging new friends will not be possible until a vaccine or treatment for coronavirus has been found”

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1260175599479468037

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Edna

This is just getting funny now. I can’t believe people are saying stuff like this out loud in the real world.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Maybe Ballless is forcing ministers to say shit like this in order to make the public angry and break lockdown. Reverse psychology or….. something.

Edna
Edna
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

My husband has just suggested a similar thing and so has decided that he’s not ‘doing’ lockdown any more 🙂

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Hancock has certainly succeeded in making me very angry today. Throwing things at the wall kind of angry. First he spouts nonsense about not going abroad any time this summer – sorry, I am. I have a summer house abroad that needs maintenance, I need to sort out residency papers before the Brexit transition period ends, plus I need to file my tax return out there – and then he comes out with this rubbish about it not being possible to hug friends until a vaccine or treatment has been found. Actually it is possible, you just walk up to the them, put your arms around them, and hug them. This lockdown nonsense has gone on long enough now, it is well past being funny any more. This virus isn’t even dangerous to the vast majority of people and most will never even know they’ve had it – Professor Whitty admitted that last night.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Edna

Is it alright to hug ‘old friends’ then?

paulito
paulito
6 years ago

A slight glimmer of hope in Spain. The PP, Spanish conservatives, have said they will vote against the next extension of the State of Alarm which allows the government power to enforce a lockdown and requires parliamentary approval for its extension every 2 weeks. They also announced a Plan B called “Activemenos Espana” loosely translated as lets get Spain moving. How much of this is just party political posturing remains to be seen. The PP threatened with voting against the last extensión last week but abstained in the end. The current coalition government is a ragbag of left wing, nationalist and small regional parties with little internal cohesion. Recently, and echoing the lack of transparency surronding the members of SAGE, the government have been challenged to publish the names of those who designed their phased plan to come out of lockdown. The secrecy surronding this group is, claim the opposition, illegal. Interesting few weeks ahead.

james007
james007
6 years ago

I’m STILL trying to understand what happened to “flattening the curve” and “protecting the NHS” (I know I’m a bit slow).

How much evidence is in the public domain now about the 250-500k deaths claim? Is that ALL based on Imperial? Has the government hinted that we may be allowed to see it? (If it doesnt come out my guess is that the scope of any future enquiry will try to avoid discussing it).

Did the government set anything up to examine the costs of lockdown, risks, excess deaths, damage before deciding to go ahead? Have take taken a policy decision actually understanding the consequences? Or again, was is just looking at imperial, and saying well other countries are doing it so we should to?

The government’s default mode since March has been BLIND PANIC!
It’s heartbreaking to see a group of politicians so completely out of their depth, clumsily tearing the country apart and terrifying everyone.
Not all that long ago, these people were warning us that Corbyn’s spending plans would set us sinking into the sea.

thannon5
thannon5
6 years ago

Incredibly frustrating that there is ample research and evidence from many countries, doctors and scientists, that the lockdown is no longer warranted. Here’s another good summary of data/facts: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

But who needs facts!?. The fear mongering and regular messaging on the danger level (now with a scale) is really concerning. Feels like post 9-11 hysteria and we’re being set up for something. Perhaps a vaccine where we all need certificates?

Mark T
Mark T
6 years ago

I have not fact checked this but showing Georgia (getting lots of heat for opening “too soon”) is fine:

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1260220909077463041

trackback

[…] fare no better, and perhaps worse, than those with more lenient protocols (see the case of Belarus, for one of many examples of beneficial […]

Paul Ballard
Paul Ballard
6 years ago

Just watched this – was a link left by someone else, well worth some time to watch it, wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avc6_ftzk3w&feature=youtu.be

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul Ballard

Currently watching – quite incredible

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago

Rishi Sunak, “Nobody who is on the furlough scheme wants to be on this scheme,” the chancellor said. “People up and down this country believe in the dignity of their work, going to work, providing for their families, it’s not their fault their business has been asked to close or asked to stay at home.” Ummm…

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

L O L

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

what’s he on?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

Thin ice, that’s what he’s on

Marcus
Marcus
6 years ago

Some views from Italy which you would like to hear…

“The deadly coronavirus could lose its potency and disappear before a vaccine is developed, Dr. Giuseppe Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan, said.

The virus is nearing its end and “may disappear before the discovery of a vaccine to stop its spread, because its potency has begun to weaken day by day,” the prominent Italian doctor said in an interview with Italy’s La7 television channel.

However, most in the medical community have warned that the virus is now endemic within the population, meaning it will not go away on its own, and have begun to warn of a “second wave” as the world comes out of lockdown. Others have suggested that life may not completely return to normal until a vaccine is developed.

Remuzzi seems to disagree with this view.

The disease is less severe in newly infected individuals in comparison to those who were infected a month ago, he said, adding that the number of people who require intensive care in Italy is less than what it used to be.

Remuzzi said that he does not know why the deadly coronavirus is… Read more »

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

I mean I don’t know how much ‘The Science’ backs this up, but this has always made some sort of sense in my head. Like….. the more people it infects, the more ‘diluted’ it gets.

Marcus
Marcus
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

You would think so.

And I have really hard time believing in “The Science” at the moment. It feels corrupted…

Poppy
Poppy
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I thought that too, and I actually read somewhere (frustratingly I can’t find the article so this looks like I’m just pulling this out of my arse but I’m not haha) that lockdowns actually provide the virus with the opportunity to mutate into something more virulent, because the milder strain isn’t getting spread around like it normally would in a non-lockdown society.

DocRC
DocRC
6 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

Epidemics tend to die out as the virus becomes attenuated (less virulent). RNA viruses have only one strand of genetic material so it is much easier for transcription mistakes to happen -mutations in other words-than in DNA which has 2 strands.

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

Looked at the graphs on Worldometer yesterday and al countries are following the typical epidemic curve – HK Flu is a good example from years ago which burnt itself out after 14 weeks or so. Two winter waves of HK Flu occurred but who knows this time round? To me, it is like we are re-discovering the wheel with covid19 – we have seen it all before but without lockdowns.
Viruses come and go. Remuzzi is talking sense.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago

Lord Sumption was on Today on Radio 4 yesterday TRASHING the media and the government.

God, I love him. Nick Robinson trying desperately to argue with him….. and failing :oD

DocRC
DocRC
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Was it yesterday or today? Any idea what time as I am trying to find the interview of BBC Sounds but the Today program is 3 hours long!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Peter Hitchens had a link to it on his blog, but it seems it has been taken down from the BBC site. Still, he seems to have a link to a Youtube version and a transcript here:

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/05/devastating-interview-with-lord-sumption-on-the-continued-threat-to-liberty.html

DocRC
DocRC
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86P7EEJeNKM
Absolutely brilliant and dealt beautifully with Justin Webb who kept trying to interrupt him!

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Lord Sumption has been outstanding in this whole fiasco.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

6 new cases in Wuhan, expect mass bed wetting

rodmclaughlin
rodmclaughlin
6 years ago

Check this out, in the Guardian – ‘Coronavirus is the ultimate demonstration of the real-world impact of racism’ – https://archive.is/10uKm

It mentions this site, as well as Quillette

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

More racism here:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/06/millions-develop-tuberculosis-tb-covid-19-lockdown

Maybe 12 million excess deaths of people of all ages over the next 8 years in Africa and South-East Asia.

Ethelred the Unready
Ethelred the Unready
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Quickly, we must send (more, much, much more) aid cash in order to further embellish our woke credentials. We could have a clap too.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

Reads like the usual incoherent babble of the antiracist zealot, trying to insist that race is simultaneously all important and meaningless, switching tactically according to which position best suits his or her particular point. Still, useful to hear about Quillette, haven’t come across that before, I’ll have to look it up.

Comical as well the way these people spend decades smearing political opponents as “racists” and demanding (even rioting) to enforce “no platforming” and outright censorship for said political opponents, and then act all surprised when they find a few genuine supporters of free speech not backing their position. Bed made, you get to lie in it, antiracists.

Anyway, back on topic for this site, she insists that the evidence is that the higher covid death rates for black and asian folk is entirely down to circumstance and not to direct causation, and I do recall at least one study reporting that. But I also recall a couple of studies suggesting those factors can’t account for all the difference and in fact race does seem to be a causative factor (one fairly common suggestion being that it might be to do with skin colour and vitamin D levels). Not sure… Read more »

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Toby had pointed to a study of NHS deaths so far indicating high proportion of BAME mortality amongst doctors. Not traditionally considered a disadvantaged group. Being lazy and asserting disadvantage just denies people the benefit of proper research.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Biology, not racism. (vitamin D deficiency, basically, and predisposition to comorbidities such as the diabeetus/high blood pressure)

But we all know how much these idiots like denying biological reality. Probably why they all now refuse to acknowledge that the human immune system is a thing.

rodmclaughlin
rodmclaughlin
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Apparently, we’ve been “given carte blanche to vilify migrants and Muslims, double down on anti-blackness and anti-Roma racism, and ramp up antisemitism in the interests of media “balance””. You can’t make it up.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

Well, when you can’t win an argument there are three popular options beyond just keep arguing:

1 Agree to disagree and maybe try again later with some new information and points to make

2 Accept that maybe they’ve got a point

3 Accuse the other guy of heresy and have him silenced.

Unfortunately option 3 seems to be the most popular these days.

rodmclaughlin
rodmclaughlin
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

More: “The British associate editor of Quillette magazine, Toby Young, epitomises the worrying nexus between “free speech” advocacy, eugenics cheerleading and now coronavirus scepticism.”

@toadmeister

grammarschoolman
grammarschoolman
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

Good for him.

paulito
paulito
6 years ago
Reply to  rodmclaughlin

Thanks for reading this drivel so the rest of us don’t have to.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

From Peter Hitchens Twitter
1/2 Pathologist Dr John Lee on BBC R4 ‘World at One’ https://t.co/didb6FDJ33 (25 mins) ‘Epidemiological modelling is more like weather forecasting than it is like laboratory science’…

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

It’s probably worse than weather forecasting.

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Weather forecasting is at least based on scientific measurements!!!

paulito
paulito
6 years ago

my last post should’ve read resisted the idea that it¡s “anything” more than mass hysteria

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago

Flagging this up again:

https://youtu.be/Avc6_ftzk3w

VITALLY IMPORTANT VIDEO.

If this lady’s credentials are sound, and if what she says is correct, then:

1) By rights, everyone should be back at work tomorrow
2) There is NO need for “Brave New Normal” or anything like it
3) Certain individuals – possibly including members of HM Govt. – should face trial for crimes against humanity and/or high treason against the British people (and against the peoples of all nations).

If this information is correct, the whole pandemic is a power grab to remove our civil rights and mandate pharmaceutical treatments.

DocRC
DocRC
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

I’ve just finished watching this and she seems eminently sensible. As far as I can tell her CV appears impeccable (the BBC etc. wouldn’t like the fact that she is the Chairman of the Irish Freedom Party who want to leave the EU). Where I can check what she says against my own medical knowledge, such as stuff about vitamin D and the research on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine (which bizarrely Doctors in the US have been discouraged from using) she is bang on. I am checking some of the other claims with medical friends in immunology/ biotech. She does stray into conspiracy theories re Bill Gates/ Big Pharma and it’s difficult to believe all Western Governments are in on this. However the info at the end about the insertion of the base sequences into the coronavirus RNA was fascinating and is another indication that Covid-19 did indeed come from the Wuhan lab.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

As comedian and philosopher George Carlin said: “Forget about politicians. They’re just there to make you think you have a choice. You have no choice. You have OWNERS.”

Politicians of all governments are bought and sold by the Corporatocracy. The MSM is owned by the Corporatocracy. Politicians do what their owners tell them to do.

Therefore our politicians are powerless to stop this. Only the British People can. We must refuse mandatory vaccines, refuse tagging, tracing, microchipping, and above all refuse the “new normal”.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

For me, the ‘above all’ would be imprisoning as many owners as possible. That would give the many out-of-work youngsters something to get their teeth into.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

” and it’s difficult to believe all Western Governments are in on this.”.

Nevertheless, I think it’s the governments of 140 countries – worldwide, not just in the West. (I’ve taken to asking people if they’ve ever tried to get 14 people, never mind 140 countries, to act in unison.).

This, together with the rabid 6 week propaganda onslaught by the beeb and the newspapers, with Peter Hitchens (!) the only dissenting voice, makes it pretty evidently a matter of conspiracy fact.

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Thanks for this. Would be interesting if you get any further feedback!

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

That is excellent, thank you

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Gracie, sent you an email with a recent later K recording. It’s an eye opener

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-fda-has-authorised-remdesivir-for-use-in-covid-19-patients-but-theres-no-good-evidence-it-reduces-mortality/
Just out from Evidence Based Medicine Oxford Group. Devastating criticism against Dr Fauci’s rush to have this drug and calling it a game changer.Anybody doubting now that the whole Covid-19 debacle is a whole Big Pharma approach or are we just paranoic extremists according to BBC ?

Sam
Sam
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This is disturbing. (And hadn’t heard of “study 329” before but that’s horrendous.)

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Anything that’s “according to the BBC” means the OPPOSITE is true. This is, and always has been, a Pharma power grab and a Globalist agenda.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

I’m glad it’s becoming clear. Resist.

paulito
paulito
6 years ago

Hello all fellow sceptics. I’ve been following this site for a while now but only posted for the first time yesterday. I live in Spain and it’s occurred to me that it might be useful to share information about what’s going on in other countries. It’s easy to keep up with the English speaking world but as there are British and Irish people all over the place, developments everywhere can be followed. I’ve been trying to make sense of this nonsense but up till now have resisted the idea that it’s nothing more than mass hysteria and incompetence, or cowardice on the part of governments but I think there’s something incredibly sinister behind all of this. Sorry for sounding alarmist but this site is the only place I can express my fears about what’s going on. Many thanks to Toby for setting this up and to everyone who contributes.

anti_corruption_tsar
6 years ago
Reply to  paulito

Go to Martin Armstrong’s website armstrongeconomics.com where he sets out very clearly the sinister agenda in many of his posts.

paulito
paulito
6 years ago

Thanks, I’ll have a look.

scepticalsue
scepticalsue
6 years ago
Reply to  paulito

Hi Paulito, and welcome! What’s the latest situation in Spain? I saw a few days ago that there were signs of an anti lockdown protest in the Salamanca area of Madrid as they’ve had particularly strict conditions imposed upon them, but I’d be interested to hear your experiences if you’re willing to share!

paulito
paulito
6 years ago
Reply to  scepticalsue

Hello, Haven’t seen anything about protests as such but pólice did break up over 400 house parties and 97 Street drinking parties in Madrid on Saturday. Madrid city and region were also prohibited from moving to Phase 1 of the so called “transition to the New Normal” which has seen a slight easing of the restrictions in the majority of automous regions on Monday. This caused protests from the autonomous government and I imagine irritated many. Vox, a party which admires the dictatorship of Franco, have called for a protest for the 23rd of this month involving a cavalcade of cars waving Spanish flags They did however vote for the first lockdown and it’s extensions, although they did vote against the last one last week. i live on the north coast and was looking forward to going into the city centre yesterday but was disheartened to see more than 90% of people wearing masks. Hope this helps.

A13
A13
6 years ago

Plexiglass between airplane seats. WTF.
What difference will it make if you sit next to someone for 8hrs!
http://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/planbay-seat-design-socially-distance-aviation/index.html
I wonder how many other ridiculous solutions we’ll see in the next coming months? I suggest we organise an awards for the worst covid inventions.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Our company is going to issue us all with ‘key ring door hooks’. To allow ‘non-contact opening and closing of public doors’.

I can’t wait …

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Having spoken to a local dental nurse today, I’m wondering how on earth our much needed dentists will be able to operate effectively in the future.

Virtually every procedure in modern dentistry generates aerosols; how will this be dealt with?

Dentists must be in very close proximity to their patients so how will they decide on distancing, priorities for treatment, routine examinations and basic procedures like the scale and polish?

The British Dental Association has this :

https://bda.org/advice/Coronavirus/Pages/latest-updates.aspx

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

What about art classes for adults? Very popular here. Perspex barriers around easels?

Distancing will cause problems, and as for life drawing classes: will the models have to pose, either behind perspex or similar, or else take the plunge and pose, as customary, au naturel, while wearing plastic head gear?

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Riding and driving lessons: social distancing? How?
Padded seats? Goggles? Arm extensions?

A13
A13
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

I think that we should have two types of coffee shops, hairdressers, massage parlours, and other similar establishments: one, for those who suffer from covid derangement syndrome with all the pseudo-security measures in place, and another type for everyone else. I suggest a clear messaging in the window so everyone can decide for themselves.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Perhaps what we need to do is organise ourselves as minority group and agitate for our cultural rights not to be forced to act like big girls blouses over flu-like diseases, and ultimately to campaign for non-territorial secession.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Can anyone here make badges and distribute them? Or T shirts? With the slogan ‘I do not suffer from CDS’ writ large. I’d buy one. And then when people ask what is CDS we can tell them. (And if they look threatening we can always say ‘Cognitive Dissonance syndrome’ somewhat ironically tee hee. )

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

And choir practice? 2 friends are active members : social distancing effected by raising volume of one’s singing voice by means of a patented anti covid-19 megaphone-different speaking tube lengths depending on vocal pitch.
Choir master/mistress directs from platform surrounded by barrier. Audio enhancing facial protection coming soon.

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

OK so this time they’ll get away with charging £1 a time, which they’ve previously tried and failed. Also with charging extra for overweight passengers, on the grounds they’re at higher risk of catching / passing on Covid19.

Ethelred the Unready
Ethelred the Unready
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Put up your hand and say “please miss”

Ambwozere
Ambwozere
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Imagine trying to do ballroom/latin dancing then whilst socially distanced. We’d all need full hazmat suits for it to even be considered “safe” 🤦‍♀️

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

On the plus side it would mean I had the seat to myself – fed up with overweight passengers invading my space.

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

loud mouth O’Leary – any publicity is good…

mark baker
mark baker
6 years ago

Shocking news about ANOTHER terrible condition that is sweeping the nation it is estimated will kill 34,000 people this year in the UK and 2.8 million people worldwide. It’s going to cost the NHS £5 billion just this year and will very probably keep increasing.
I welcome the draconian response to Coronavirus. Where lives are at stake (regardless of how many – estimates vary wildly), no quarter should be given. The only thing that matters is saving lives. We should be prepared to endure economic devastation and completely re-organise the way our society is run just so we can defeat this virus.
We should take the same zero-tolerance approach to this condition I was talking about. Sorry, I forgot to say its name!!! Silly me!! It’s OBESITY. Yes, obesity kills 34,000 people in this country every year. Costs the NHS £5 billion. Obviously, lockdown won’t help with that but there are certainly drastic measures we could take. You could say, fat people are only harming themselves but that’s not true, is it? What about fat parents who die and leave their children orphaned? What about fat people in key jobs? What about the excess room they take up on the… Read more »

Disgruntled
Disgruntled
6 years ago
Reply to  mark baker

Smoking kills 70,000-80,000 people in the UK every year according to the NHS website and no one gives a monkeys. The govt could ban it tomorrow and save nearly three times as many as have died from coronavirus, in perpetuity.

Apparently the economic or civil liberties argument is enough to save the tobacco industry, yet we shut down the entire country and lock everyone up for Covid. Madness.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Disgruntled

RTAs have a pretty high number of fatalities, so can we ban unnecessary car journeys – you know those ones people do for fun, like going out to the seaside? I mean, it’s not essential is it? Get a grip.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago

Latest letter emailed to department of health ministers:

I am writing to express my concern at the on-going lock-down, which is having a very bad effect on our economy, the lives and living standards of millions across the country.

I did not support the lock-down, seeing it as an overreaction against a virus which affects mainly the older generation and which has an extremely small death rate for those under 60.

Given that we did not adopt Taiwan’s approach back in January, we should in my opinion have followed a similar course of action to Sweden, which has had no lock-down and death rates lower than in other European countries.

However, we are where we are and the latest guidelines from the government will be taken with a pinch of salt by many people, including myself. We are not interested in reading through a 50 page document telling us what we can and can’t do. Instead, we will continue to operate as normal and meet with whom we wish, when we wish to. It is not the duty of government to mess with our liberties. To be frank, we’re just not bothered anymore.

I believe it’s time to lift… Read more »

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago

P.S. You can also comment at Department of Health, at https://contactus.dhsc.gov.uk/

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

Well put Jonathan,you echo my thoughts exactly.I am getting sick and tired of those twisted minds in positions of authority constantly inventing convoluted ways to make our lives ever more difficult.I will not be using any public transport that will be treating us like livestock or infant children and I won’t be spending any money with any shop or business that makes customers queue outside in long lines like we are in the USSR with petty little Stalins barking orders at us before we are graciously allowed to enter a few at a time to be hurried around stupid one way systems all the time being told not to touch things if we aren’t going to buy them.
We need normal back now,not in six months or a year or whenever,there is no such thing as ‘the new normal’ because that is simply abnormal and not sustainable in any way.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Any politician who uses the phrase “new normal” should be automatically considered a traitor to the British people. And that should be made very clear to these slimeballs.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago

More examples of this nincompoop government and their lack of joined up thinking. I need some compost for my ruddy garden and now garden centres are open I can get some (I’m not paying £17 a bag to keep Besos in caviar). Trouble is: I don’t have a car. Apparently I can get a cab with an unknown driver who may well by asymptomatic, after all they’re driving customers all day (wouldn’t be be me haven’t seen a human being for weeks) but I can’t get my good neighbour, who is an ICU nurse and has had the damn thing (probably, he was never tested), so is likely to be immune to drive me, even though he’d love to and I’d save a cab fare. Madness.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

Do it anyway. Nobody will even know or care.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

i would but I can’t afford to risk a hundred quid.

BrianJR
BrianJR
6 years ago

So the ONS stats are out, these are the only ones that really count that show total deaths everywhere. But they are always 2 weeks behind time.
And the headlines are out about the 40,000 excess deaths (calculated I imagine against the 5 year average. It is all available online at the ONS site.
I thought I’d do a little calculation of the excess deaths to see which age groups are most affected, and to what scale when taking excess deaths against total population by age group – also available on ONS website.

I hope the table is legible – damned hard to past it into a comments box. But it shows an interesting picture that I don’t suppose the BBC will show – that there are LESS deaths per week in the last 5 weeks amongst the 20-24 year old group. Guess that’s because they are not out boozing, drug taking and reckless driving ;-))

Hope you find it as interesting as I do – certainly gives a bit of perspective. Certainly makes me wonder why anyone under the age of (insert your own view here) is under lockdown when the chances are 1 in (insert your own again)… Read more »

BrianJR
BrianJR
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

oh bugger, it looked ok before posting – still legible if you just dscount the spaces.
So for 50-54 year olds there were 714 excess deaths in a population of 50-54 year olds of 4,661,015 etc.
As said, can’t past an image or table – I tried !

BrianJR
BrianJR
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

nor apparently can I spell and type “paste” !

The Spingler
The Spingler
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

The ONS stats jumped out at me too, today. for winter 2019/20 excess deaths to 1 May 40,000. Apparently 19/20 was running below average up until CV19 hit. Looking at past non-Covid years, in 2017/18 excess winter deaths were 50k, 14/15 40k, 08/09 36k, 99/00 48k, 98/99 47k, 97/97 48k, 89/90 47k. The last average (five year moving average was measured in 16/17 at 35k. Point being that excess deaths over 40k are not unusual and happen every few years, presumably to a particularly bad flu season.

Hammer Onats
Hammer Onats
6 years ago

This guy, whoever he is, seems to have very good connections. Full details on the furlough scheme almost as soon as it was announced on BBC. His main thrust seems to be that if you are de-furloughed by your employer and don’t go back you will be sacked. That should bring a bit of sense to those who think they are on an extended sabbatical. @MrMasonMills

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  Hammer Onats

Is not that twitter account really Dominic Cummings? Many have earlier suggest that

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago

CDC’s own research finding that masks don’t help with flu (and handwashing is of dubious value too): https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Jim8888
Jim8888
6 years ago

I’m sorely tempted to post a (still) pro-Brexit, (still) anti Scottish Nationalist and (budding) Lockdown Sceptic post. However, I feat that this may “break the Internet” as all my Facebook friends pile on to denounce me.

tonyspurs
tonyspurs
6 years ago
Poppy
Poppy
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Don’t know what he’s on, he said this morning the gov was considering the ‘bubble’ idea. He must know that people won’t stand for this. It’s one thing for families/those already in a relationship, but I worry about single folks who will be unable or find it significantly harder to meet a partner if these restrictions go on much longer. Could we see new cohort of incels…? I do hope the public will come to its senses in these next few weeks.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

People will just start shagging at work.
Not that they ever stopped.

A13
A13
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

What a bunch of clowns. Let’s hope that incompetence will stop these muppets from doing any further damage. They are like a villain from Austin Powers rather than from James Bond movies.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Hey it’s just a case of plucking a bit more fruit from the magic money tree. What could possibly go wrong?

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

He knows exactly what he’s doing:

“The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Matt Hancock, is also owner of Porton Biopharma during his tenure; but that is not the only tie that Hancock appears to have to for-profit entities that stand to benefit from Covid–19 response strategies.”

Source: https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/10/covid19-the-big-pharma-players-behind-uk-government-lockdown/

So our Health Secretary is in bed with Big Pharma. Well, well, well, it’s all beginning to get so clear now.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

And it’s also suddenly very clear to me why our GOVERNMENT has been issuing disinformation about safe, inexpensive treatments that could save lives.

See the mind-blowing video by Professor Dolores Cahill https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Avc6_ftzk3w

This woman is a bloody heroine, whereas –

OUR GOVERNMENT – OR CERTAIN PLAYERS WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT – ARE COMMITTING CRIMES AGAINST THE BRITISH PEOPLE.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

And isn’t that what some of us have been saying and are greeted with the derisory term ‘conspiracy theorist’?

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

Ah yes, Nige, the good old “if you challenge the brainwashing you’re a ‘conspiracy theorist’ ” gambit, a psychological ploy set up by the Warren Commission after JFK’s assassination.

And by God it’s worked well……until now.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Thanks for the information. Absolutely shocking. Government Ministers advisers should NEVER be involved in Industries where there is conflict of interest. It is not allowed in private practice but seems as if it is rife in the Public Sector.

The farce continues, the reopening of schools plan is as ‘clear as mud’, people can’t return to work if they have to homeschool kids. Only 3 months ago parents were fined if they took their kids out of school to go on holiday because these kids could apparently not afford to miss even one day of education. Now these same kids missed more than a month of education and many more to come and it is acceptable. Talk about double standards.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Oh FFS

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I mean. Isn’t that just the nail in the nationwide bankruptcy coffin?

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

I can’t stand Hancock,smarmy and condescending,as all of them are.If you wrote a book with characters like these in government and you had them say the same things,your publisher would throw it back at you and say it was to far-fetched.Every day I really do think a lot of them are actually insane.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Hancock has apparently huge amounts of money invested in vaccines..

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

More evidence of the nudging strategy

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