
The Sunday Times reports that the Strategic Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) has been told that the British death toll from COVID-19 could climb above 100,000 by the end of the year if Boris Johnson eases the lockdown too much or too fast. These estimates come from researchers at the London School of Tropical Hygiene, the always-reliable Imperial College London and other places that have modelled the likely impact of of different exit policies. (Can we see the code please?) However, the paper doesn’t disclose whether this formed part of the advice given to the Government by SAGE when it last met on Thursday.
Boris Johnson’s address to the nation about “phase two” of the lockdown is expected to be at 7pm this evening. According to the Sunday Times, he will announce that:
- From tomorrow, the limit on one form of exercise a day will be scrapped, allowing people outdoors if they observe the two-metre social distancing rules. Staff at No 10 have been told that Johnson will begin jogging again this week
- Fines will be increased for those failing to abide by the new rules
- From Wednesday, garden centres will re-open
- The public will be advised – but not forced – to wear face coverings on public transport and in shops
- Within two weeks new arrivals in the UK will be required to go into isolation for 14 days, with quarantine centres set up for those who do not have a home where they can self-isolate.
- “Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives” will be replaced with “Stay alert, save lives”
On that last bullet point, it doesn’t look like Scotland will be ditching the “stay home” slogan. Sturgeon said on Twitter this morning that #StayHomeSaveLives “remains my clear message to Scotland at this stage”. According to the Mail, this has thrown Boris’s planned announcement into chaos.
I thought this would be a good moment to change the slogan of this website. It was: “Stay sane. Protect the economy. Save livelihoods.” However, given that more and more scientists and public health experts are warning that the lockdown will end up causing a greater loss of life than it prevents, I’ve changed it to: “Stay sceptical. End the lockdown. Save lives.”
It looks like Wales isn’t planning to abandon the “stay home” slogan either. Shame, but at least Wales has its very own lockdown sceptics website (no relation) called ‘We The People‘, or, rather, ‘Y Gwir yn Erbyn Y Byd’. Full of useful resources and links. Definitely worth a look.
Many of today’s papers have photographs of people enjoying the sunshine over the bank holiday weekend, suggesting the “stay home” message is beginning to lose some of its power in any event. Here’s one from the Mail:

The Prime Minister has given an interview to the Sun on Sunday‘s David Wooding in which he tries to lower expectations ahead of this evening’s announcement. He told the paper that the “descent” from a mountain is always the riskiest bit. “That’s when you’re liable to be overconfident and make mistakes,” he said. “You have very few options on the climb up – but it’s on the descent you have to make sure you don’t run too fast, lose control and stumble.” He added:
I said that we would turn the tide within three months. I believe we are definitely on course to do that.
The peak could have been colossal, we could have had an absolute disaster. We’re past the peak now but we’ll have to work very hard to get every step right.
We’ve beaten it, we’ve come through it, we can see the sunlight ahead and it is just a question now of making sure, as we come down that mountain, we don’t stumble. We mustn’t throw away the gains that we’ve made.
If everybody works together, we won’t. That’s the message.
Also in today’s Sun on Sunday is a poll revealing that nine in 10 people do not want Boris to ease the lockdown. Only one in 50 believe the restrictions have been in place for too long, with just 4% in favour of a gradual lifting of the lockdown starting this week. Almost a quarter – 24% – don’t want restrictions lifted before the end of July or until the virus has been completely eradicated. A reader has provided me with a quote that seems appropriate here:
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
As usual, the Germans continue to put us to shame. Yesterday brought news of thousands of people protesting on the streets of Munich and thousands more in Stuttgart to demand the lifting of restrictions ordered by the German authorities.

I was taken aback to see a Government-sponsored spread in the Sun advising people to avoid “quack” treatments, such as “UV lights” and chloroquine. Quite surprising, given that there’s now a lot of evidence linking Vitamin D deficiency to an increased risk of death from the virus, as reported in the Sun yesterday, and mounting evidence that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19, as reported in the Sun on April 29th.
As I noted yesterday, the Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) has decided to police social media to draw attention to fake news and conspiracy theories – and, embarrassingly, it refers to the hypothesis that the virus originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology as a “right-wing conspiracy theory” even though the same theory is being investigated by a consortium of Western intelligence agencies. Today, I’ve spotted that the ISD has done some work with Carl Miller, an employee of a left-wing think tank, for the BBC’s flagship technology programme, BBC Click, to identify the source of “disinformation and hate” about the pandemic on Facebook. And the culprit is… drum roll… “the global far right”.
If you watch the report Carl Miller has pulled together for the BBC with the help of Chloe Colliver, Head of Digital Policy for the ISD, you’ll see that among the toxic conspiracy theories they’ve identified is the claim that the virus was “engineered” and that chloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID-19. According to Miller, that last theory is “unproven and potentially dangerous”. Another dangerous idea, apparently, is the notion that the risk from the virus has been “overhyped” by governments and the media. Miller says the “disinformation” he and Colliver have uncovered could be “a lot more potent” than the disinformation pumped out by shady, far right organisations during election campaigns because it might “convince people to not listen to government advice about staying at home”. Miller concludes his report by telling us he passed on his findings to Facebook and received the following reply: “We have removed a number of links BBC Click shared with us for violating our policies on hate speech and the spread of harmful misinformation.”
If the BBC is going to employ left-wing busybodies to browbeat social media companies into censoring people who think SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a biolab, that chloroquine is an effective treatment and that the risk posed by the disease has been overhyped, that’s one more reason to stop paying the license fee.
Yesterday, I drew readers’ attention to the robotic dog being used by the authorities in Singapore to make sure people follow the social distancing rules. Today, I bring news of an even more ingenious contraption, this one devised by a police force in India. Thanks to this over-sized pick-up reacher, the police can now arrest Covid dissidents without risking infection:

Good to see not all police officers are simply following orders and fining or arresting people for not complying with lockdown orders. A reader sent me this bitchute video of a US cop advising his colleagues that the constitutional rights of US citizens should not be suspended on the say-so of a mayor or a governor or a chief of police. “That’s not how this country works,” he reminds us. Well said, Officer Anderson.
One of the biggest stories of recent weeks has been the shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE). But what happens to this life-saving kit after it’s been used? One reader in Lincolnshire has found out:
Every time I go out on my bicycle round here I find bits of PPE scattered by the side of the road, usually the giveaway blue gloves. Here’s today’s find – a PPE mask evidently hurled out of a car window and decorating the verge near the village of Ropsley. Who’s the culprit? No idea, but it’s presumably a health worker of some sort who’s quite happy to chuck used PPE into the general environment rather than dispose of it safely.

And it’s not just here. A reader who lives in Malaga has alerted me to the same problem:
The first day we were allowed out everywhere was nice and clean and tidy. But every morning I go out there are masks and gloves littering the sides of the roads and in the hedgerows. I wonder what on earth goes through these twats’ heads. Clearly not very much.
It seems Lockdown Sceptics is gradually transforming itself from a blog into something more – although quite what that is remains to be seen. Yesterday, I published a follow-up by “Sue Denim” to his/her post about the shortcomings of Professor Ferguson’s code; today, I’m publishing a piece by Rob Lyons – real name this time – entitled ‘Public Health England: A Predictable Failure’. Lyons is scathing about the executive agency of the Department for Health and Social Care. Here’s an extract:
Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that PHE is a less-than-dynamic organisation. Far from being staffed by the brightest and the best, innovative and entrepreneurial, PHE is run by the usual quangocrats. These are people whose CVs describe a merry-go-round ride of one job after another for which they are, at best, only moderately qualified. Having delivered uninspiring leadership in one organisation, they move along to ‘lead’ another, accumulating vast pensions and titles along the way.
I was pleased to receive this message from a Labour Party voter. It’s not just the Conservative Party which is causing disillusionment among its most fervent supporters:
I’m an avid reader of your website. I’m not ordinarily someone who would find myself in agreement with you about most things – I’ve always voted Labour and was a Corbyn supporter, voting twice for him as leader. However, I’m appalled by the strategy of ‘lockdown’ and also the supine agreement of the Labour Party to this lunacy. I will also never, ever, buy a copy of the Guardian again.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) has warned that coronavirus could kill up to 190,000 in Africa this year if it’s not adequately contained. My friend Aidan Hartley, Kenyan resident and Spectator Wild Life correspondent, points out that this isn’t very many in the grand scheme of things:
You are more likely to die of booze (174,000 cirrhosis) than Covid-19 in Africa (maybe 83,000 – 190,000 says the WHO had no measures been imposed – and some countries have been draconian). Africa’s traffic accidents will kill three times to a third more people than COVID-19. These WHO figures for virus deaths would rank just above “self-harm” in Africa, or at its worst, just above “interpersonal violence”. Africa’s main killers are still HIV, TB, malaria, respiratory diseases and dysentery, which kill 3.5 million combined. Those communicable diseases will now skyrocket as 100 million MORE Africans slide back into poverty due to the economic impacts of lockdown here and in the West.
A round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Statistician accuses ministers of failure to prioritise random COVID-19 testing‘ – Sir David Spiegelhalter has criticised the Government for not prioritising random antibody testing so we can build up a clear picture of how many Britons have had the virus, according to the Sunday Times
- ‘This care home carnage shames the nation‘ – Dominic Lawson berates the Department for Health and Social Care’s murderous policy of encouraging hospitals to discharge elderly patients back into care homes at the beginning of the lockdown, including those who’d tested positive for COVID-19
- ‘The virus that turned up late‘ – Post by Alistair Haimes for Hector Drummond’s blog in which he points out that the only difference between coronavirus and other outbreaks of nasty seasonal flu is that this virus turned up three months later than usual. Includes the great line: “When I complain about people fearfully embracing their incarceration I can no longer use the phrase ‘Stockholm Syndrome’, and that makes me angry.”
- ‘The strange case of the choir that coughed in January‘ – BBC story about a choir in Baildon, a village in West Yorkshire, that experienced a bout of a nasty, flu-like illness back in January that looks awfully like coronavirus. Was it circulating among the general population earlier than has been reported?
- ‘China Asked WHO To Delay Pandemic Announcement, Deny Human-To-Human Transmission: German Intelligence‘ – Zero Hedge on the German intelligence leak purporting to show that Xi Jinping asked WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Thebreyesus to cover up the severity of the coronavirus pandemic in January
- ‘Pandemic of Pillocks‘ – A Comedy Unleashed special devised by comedian Andrew Lawrence. Warning: Contains some smutty gags
- ‘Has our mad mass house arrest during COVID-19 saved even a single life?‘ – Peter Hitchens’ latest column in the Mail on Sunday
- ‘Locking up the elderly until coronavirus is defeated is a cruel mockery of basic human values‘ – Withering critique of the lockdown by Jonathan Sumption in last week’s Mail on Sunday. Can’t believe I missed this one
- ‘Wrecking entire economies: Lockdowns may be causing more harm than good worldwide, and especially in India‘ – Case against locking down India by Professor Ramesh Thakur in the Times of India
- ‘Toby Young on the Failure of the Lockdown‘ – Thought I’d give this a plug. It’s a YouTube video of me talking to the Post-Millennial‘s Nico Johnson about the biggest failure of public policy that’s ever happened during peacetime
Some more suggestions for theme songs from readers: ‘Eve of Destruction‘ by Barry Neil, ‘If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next‘ by the Manic Street Preachers, ‘Steppin’ Out‘ by Joe Jackson (some hope) and, by way of tribute to the recently deceased Little Richard, ‘Whole Lotta Shaking Going On‘.
Thanks as always to those who made a donation in the last 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of the site. If you feel like donating, you can do so by clicking here. (Every little helps!) And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, you can email me here.
I thought I’d end today’s update with a poem sent to me by Tiree MacGregor. Called ‘The Back-Pedalling Autocratic Functionary’ it was inspired by the words of Chief Constable Nick Alderly of Northamptonshire Police who said on April 9th: “We will not, at this stage, be setting up road blocks. We will not, at this stage, start to marshal supermarkets and be checking the items in baskets and trolleys to see whether it’s a legitimate, necessary item. But again, be under no illusion. If people do not heed the warnings and the pleas I’m making today, we will start to do that.”
Officious fool in uniform, what need
We of your subtle threats and dour commands?
Zealous for order, at whose pleasure do
You think you serve? If it be government’s
Or monarch’s, then think: At whose pleasure theirs?
Who has “illusions”? – And “necessity”?For you, your weapons formed of Hobbesian dread,
Where is our gentle Shakespeare, whose high art
Demolishes the thoughts that shape your head,
And, brother, what high ardour forms your heart?In copperspeak, you’re nicked: for threats won’t wash;
The velvet-covered cosh is still a cosh.


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This year’s flu season has ended at least 4 weeks sooner than ever before. I suspect flu cases are being written up as covid cases. Change the setting for the bottom graph to ‘Northern Europe’ for a clearer picture. https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTIxMzAwMzYtZWE4NC00YTU2LWE3MTUtMTI0OGY1ZjQyMWViIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9
This is very funny – and seemed right for the current times –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QECEv3ERyg0
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/who-can-blame-downing-street-cutting-out-nicola-sturgeon-brian-monteith-2848502
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52616029
She who must be obeyed is now stepping up the divisive rhetoric.
We need this like a hole in the head
Very important study just released today – proves what many of us have been saying all along – the PCR tests are complete garbage when used on their own and should never be used for a diagnostic tool.
The study is from testing done to MLB ballplayers and employees, as listed below only 0.7% tested positive. This was a large test and while certainly not representative of the overall population that that number is so low suggests that we would see a tremendous drop off in numbers of “official Covid cases” AND “official Covid deaths” if both tests were applied to all of those tested and to those that died with what is “presumed” to be Covid.
Just 0.7% of Major League Baseball employees tested positive for antibodies to COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.
The small number of positive tests, announced Sunday, was positive news for a sport pushing ahead with plans to start its delayed season.
Researchers received 6,237 completed surveys from employees of 26 clubs. That led to 5,754 samples obtained in the U.S. on April 14 and 15 and 5,603 records that were used. The survey kit had a 0.5% false positive rate.
Dr.… Read more »
I have ordered my face mask as advised by HM’s Government. Will it help to keep people at least 2 metres away?
https://www.partyrama.co.uk/boris-johnson-celebrity-cardboard-mask-single/
I quite like some of the below face masks – I may wear a different one each day and behave the creature it represents would. This should 1. keep people very, very away from me and 2. keep me as safe as houses from the devils own filth we know as coronavirus.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Halloween-Terrible-Disguised-Carnival-Christmas/dp/B07WWW5C8X
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cheap-Custom-Made-Terrible-Oxen-Head_60523495933.html?fullFirstScreen=true
https://www.fancydressbash.co.uk/camel-full-head-face-mask-for-nativity-and-fancy-dress–sanc96642-10544-p.asp
https://www.amazon.co.uk/WBINGS-halloween-Plague-Halloween-Masquerade/dp/B07ZH48WF5/ref=sr_1_52?crid=12SGUGDA80W65&dchild=1&keywords=plague+mask&qid=1589208417&s=kitchen&sprefix=Plague+%2Ckitchen%2C167&sr=1-52
All threats coveted- see above unisex
Or for the feminine touch
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Throw the mask in the bin. It’s useless to you
“The virus that turned up late” piece is so bad it really makes me question Toby’s data intuition, again.
Most serious data scientists noticed the first week they turned their gaze to ONS data that in every year there is a huge reporting lag over Christmas and New Year with a huge dip in week 52 and false peak in week 2.
The article he “rates” ignores the dips and uses peaks to come to totally flawed conclusions.
Be better informed read this…
https://medium.com/pragmapolitic/i-wish-for-4k-fewer-deaths-for-christmas-1b84ecd6382b
To be fair the article you say is ‘so bad’ and Toby refers to does show the dip in weeks 50-52 of the 2014-15 and 2017-18 seasons as does the Medium article. It also shows no dip in the 1998-99 and 1999-2000 seasons. perhaps there wasn’t a dip in reporting in these seasons? Do you know if there was? The Medium article you referred to doesn’t show data for these seasons. So at the moment and without the full data set you are comparing apples with pears and making a comment without any data to back up your statement.
I’m the author of the medium article. I’ve provided all the data to back up my claim that Hector’s article is flawed. The entire thrust of his piece is that Covid is “normal” like 2015 and 2018 and not an outlier year. My analysis proves at best he is talking about 2020 being a 1/25yr outlier, which is counter to the entire aim of his article.
The ONS only provide data back to 2010. All of them show the same pattern. If he’d cited his “source” for these two outlier years, I’d be happy to give them the same treatment.
As to what he does with these years:
1) When you line up data you line up the trend part not the peak, the 1998/99 line is placed 2k a week higher than 2020, and 1999/2000 about 1.5-2k higher. The only reason either peak is similar.
2) 1998/99 has a 2k dip in week 52, so I’d imagine in addition to the 2k of lining it up properly it would look very different if processed without agenda.
3) 1999/2000 was Y2K a similar period of fear and services grinding to halt (I lived through it). I can entirely believe there… Read more »
Then you need top reconcile the 1998-1999 and 1999-2000 data with his before you say he is clearly wrong. You have not provided any data to claim his analysis is wrong. I think he is making a comparison with 1998-1999 and 1999-2000 and not with 2015 and 2018. Clearly there are issues with simply comparing peaks and he is illustrating a point which I don’t think anyone seriously doubts. The current fatalities due to Covid19 are broadly similar to previous flu pandemics and not anything significantly different. The real issue is the integral and the integrals are broadly similar when one looks at overall mortality and excess mortality.
Oh, stop using big words you don’t understand.
Hector’s assertion is this is “just a typical bad flu year like 2015 and 2018”. I’ve provided all the data and analysis needed to debunk this claim, stop claiming I haven’t.
Sure, 2020 might be a 1/50 year event like 1999-2000, big wow. He’s still citing all mortality data as evidence of flu, and processing the data badly. If you’d like to spend the time fixing all the flaws in his data processing for that one year to prove this worthless fact…
… go for your life.
Love him or loathe him Kavanagh in the Currant Bun is an opinion former and agenda setter. Knives out? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11592292/trevor-kavanagh-lockdown-terrible-mistake/
It’s interesting to see the change in narrative from The Sun and other papers today. Comments posted below articles also seem to have a different tone. It feels me with hope.
Me too. Also I posted the government’s roadmap down thread, the map is rubbish, what is interesting is the supporting narrative about the cost of what we are going, it goes heavy on social consequences and deepening disadvantage, I wonder if if they are reversing the pressure, putting it back on Labour? They cannot keep campaigning for poverty and job losses for ever, they need to make a move (which all the faff about PPE avoids them doing).
Yes! I just read the Sun link on here and the comments. I must admit I thought “here we go, brace yourself!” But actually they were mostly pretty balanced!
On an earlier thread, I predicted that if The Sun got behind end the lockdown, public opinion might soon change.
The loony left might still control much of the narrative but The Sun has an enormous readership, and as we see, puts the boot in regularly without fear or favour.
Watch The Sun’s contributions,and I think we might see a change in public mood.
I’ve been baffled by their line, they are immensely influential.
They always have been and their headlines are second to none for punning and sheer in- your-face cheek
I know, not my cup of tea, but do have a healthy respect for their reach.
Kavanagh hit the nail on the head with this:
“The nation’s long-term physical, mental and economic health is being held to ransom by a bug which has virtually no impact on children, young adults and most people under 50.”
And yet it’s the paranoid, coronaphobic under 50s who are most likely to be seen wearing the approximation of Hazmat suits!! WTF???
This proves, once again, that the enemy is NOT the virus, the enemy is the FEAR PORN. This must be stopped or our country will be down the toilet. And the fear porn mongers will have to suffer the same as the rest of us.
VERY interesting discussion on health blogger Phil Escott’s YouTube channel, featuring a young British doctor who is questioning many aspects of the pandemic and how we are managing it in the UK.
https://youtu.be/HR8AMfSuKFY
Uh oh, the roadmap is out, opening gambit is ‘remorseless foe’ https://order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FINAL-6.6637_CO_HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v1_WEB.pdf
No haircut until 4th July
Yep, but if you ignore the guff about the actual strategy, what impressed me a bit with that document is how it’s finally laden with information about the impact of the lockdown, socioeconomic, health, education, disadvantage etc. That’s my professional niche (my family run a business, but i’m freelance as a consultant, doing something else), the health and social outcomes of deprivation and disadvantage (which is why I’m so opposed to lockdown, I know it’ll be carnage on those already unfairly at the bottom of the heap). Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but that looked a bit to me like ‘your move labour’?
Just got my haircut today with my usual hairdresser. Just do it
I couldn’t face reading Johnson’s essay at the start. Love the “graph”, sorry “illustrative profile”, labelled Figure 1, obviously just drawn by hand this time without the help of Fergie’s ZX-81.
The good news is it is actually a herd immunity strategy with some drivel about how they’re going to do some half-arsed TTT and maybe there will be a vaccine one day but don’t count on it. See Figure 6 for example. If that isn’t an “illustrative profile” of herd immunity then I don’t know what is.
Hard to see how they’re going to please anybody with this, but it could be a lot worse.
Martin again. Sorry I rushed my first post. I was so excited to find a web site with comments that I am sure will be along the thoughts that I have had since week 1 of lockdown especially as I started to study the worldwide staistics on the worldometer web site. We are being fed a very limited analysis of the data. It is what PHE and the Govt (which I broadly support) want us to hear to keep us ALL under control. The affects on the economy are being mainly ignored and if we continue with the current mindsight, then misery awaits. Boris must be far braver and emulate his hero, Winston Churchill who had the courage of his convictions when all stood against him! To make a difference and change the direction of the debate, we must mount some sort of campaign. This was my hope in sending numerous letters to the DT but they have not taken up the challenge. I am so frustarted not for me but for my sons and grandchildren generation. I am bursting at the seams. I do not use social media as often the debate is shallow but somehow we have to… Read more »
Wearing full hazmat protection in case of contamination I ventured into the myopic world of BBC News this lunchtime. They are reporting with glee that the so-called R number in Germany has risen above 1 now that they have lifted lockdown – despite the fact that it is meaningless over such a short time span – implying therefore that Germany’s strategy has failed and by implication so will our (limited) lifting of restrictions. The news anchor almost had a smile on his face. Elsewhere each news item was saturated with mask porn making a point of trying to edit out, or gloss over, those in the frame not stupid enough to fall for such scams. I want my licence fee back.
Well I’ve long been a believer in ending the licence fee. Why should we all (all tv owners) be forced to pay for a channel that propagandises for particular opinions we certainly don’t all share, and actively censors views quite a few sympathise with?
This experience of the BBC being one of the most damaging of the panic-pushers ought to have made a few more open their eyes on this.
BBC News at lunchtime – that was brave of you.
Boris and the BBC do seem to be obsessed with the R number. I wouldn’t mind seeing some detail covering how they actually calculate this number. I wouldn’t be surprised if its foundation is extremely flaky and not sufficiently reliable to justify its repeated use as a measure of how successful the lockdown policy is. But they continue to use it to bamboozle the public.
Use of the R number to scare the public should fill a chapter or two in the public enquiry report we might see in 10 years time.
This Ro BS has got to stop. No matter what the rate infection of a respiratory disease (Ro) at the outset of an epidemic it has a decay profile and will inevitably decline in due course. If it did not a continuous Ro value of 2 would see the entire population of the world infected or immune in less than 21 weeks of the first, singular human infectee (assuming an infection period of 1 week). The UK would take just over 16 weeks from a single infected person.
There is nothing magical about any of this and as long as it does not kill its host, and this doesn’t harm the young, it will extinguish itself in a matter of weeks. Unless, that is we deliberately prolong the life cycle by “flattening the curve” beyond the length of immunity conferred by infection, which might be weeks, months or years. I doubt the proponents of Lockdowns will be keen to admit to being the cause of that particular outcome should we continue being the supine sheep that Joe Soap appears to have become.
I just sent the DoH&SC a Freedom of Information request asking for the methodology of calculating the R number. I doubt if they will reply but hey have to do something.
My licence fee was due to for renewal 30th April and I have happily cancelled it.
I don’t have an aerial and use subscription based channels and on-demand TV. I probably watched five things on iPlayer last year. I’ve deleted the app and await the inspection. £157.50 worth of beers in the kitty whilst I’m watching the FA Cup in my local, if it ever reopens.
The inspection rarely happens. And even if it does, you don’t have to let them in unless they have a warrant.
I ave just found Tobys web site after reading his article in the DT on Saturday. We are voices in the wilderness. How can we make more of an impact. I keep on sending letters into the DT completely in tune with this message. Her hopefully is my latest.
I FEAR “THE FEAR” MORE THAN THE VIRUS
The Government led by the science and Public Health England have done a wonderful job of keeping us all indoors by scaring us all witless by the constant simple message that we hear at least 50 times a day through one medium or another.
Then there are the 24 x 7 news channels led by the nanny BBC, the not much better Sky and of course the terrible LBC, especially their morning presenter. Their main goal (apart from the occasional good news story) seems to be to drown us in a sea of misery and dread. The fear is now becoming palpable – every time I turn now into a different aisle in the supermarkets, I see the red mist suddenly appear over the eyes of the person encountered.
Every day we hear two basic statistics – the number of deaths and… Read more »
Interestingly, that critical case figure on worldometers has remained at 1559 now for weeks. It is never updated. I don’t know if that in itself is significant, but it is a fact.
These are the consequences of mass delusion – reshaping our society in response to a fantasy. We are behaving as though we are facing an endemic disease that is as infectious as flu and as deadly as ebola, when in reality what we are facing is a disease that is as infectious as flu and as deadly as flu, more or less. But it certainly is endemic, it is not going away and it will reappear periodically and the less resistance there is to it in the population, the more rapidly it will spread when it does appear. So we can expect periodic panic lockdowns basically forever if we let this attitude stick.
Has anybody tried to quantify the long term loss of productivity involved in all this?
The workplace of the future: Factories and constructions sites reveal their new look with dozens of screens to protect workers, hand gel stations, one-way walking and ban on communal loos
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8307165/Coronavirus-UK-Factory-construction-workers-start-today.html
Well, that will be a waste of money won’t it. Unless you let it happen
“We are behaving as though we are facing an endemic disease that is as infectious as flu and as deadly as ebola, when in reality what we are facing is a disease that is as infectious as flu and as deadly as flu, more or less”. Agreed
And then what should we make of the WHO screaming ‘test, test , test’, when they were selling tests at $250 each.
Maybe more to the point, doesn’t it seem as if mass testing (which by now could have been well underway, and probably would have been if it was as deadly as ebola) should be possible, and well under way.
Is there a benefit to testing too little ? Yes, it means they can create an exaggerated death rate/CFR under which they can continue the mass illusion.
Where are the UK counterparts to the doctors in California and New York who are speaking up about covid19 v lockdown when the health and wellbeing of everyone is at stake? The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation may have bought – sorry, donated – its way into every institution and organisation (including BBC’S Click), yet that hasn’t deterred these people from doing what’s right.
The government’s initial reaction was born of panic. It, MSM and social media successfully instilled fear into the populous from the get-go. Then along came Santa, aka the Chancellor giving money out like sweets. Great, almost full pay for doing nothing. Blessed then by sunny weather is it any wonder too many are seeing this mess as nothing other than an unexpected holiday?
What a disappointment it was to see and listen to Boris Johnson last night. He even mentioned Neil Ferguson’s dire prediction of 500,000 covid19 deaths as his basis for this lockdown, and seemingly for its continuance. I don’t see leadership from him. I don’t have trust and confidence in this government. Just who are they listening to when it comes to science? Whatever happened to good old risk assessment where hazard/threat was considered… Read more »
I have Facebook friends one generation below me – I’m in my sixties – screaming blue murder in their threads that no restrictions, none whatsoever, should be lifted and that we need to be locked down till Covid19 gets bored and drifts away. I’ve got news for them, ain’t gonna happen, anymore than the common cold drifted away, but I haven’t got the energy to say so. i don’t fear their vehemence (that ship has sailed) but I’m never going to change their minds. All politically left leaning too, which is where I thought I once hailed from. Seems I’m homeless, but at least comfortable in my own skin pursuing truth and eschewing bigotry.
All you have to is go about your daily life as normal. Have no fear. That’s all there is to it
But we can’t go about daily life as normal – I live on a once busy High Street, with very good cafes, restaurants, pubs, independent shops and lots of hairdressers and beauticians, all small businesses, all closed, only Tesco and the very expensive CoOp supermarket open….the small fruit and veg shop and the bakers are still open, yes, but we have to queue outside as we have to if we want to go to the supermarkets. Much as I I would like to carry on as normal, I can’t, although from day one I have taken my dog out for as long and as often as I wanted, so that’s a little bit of normal. First day of lockdown I saw a police man sitting in his police car, never seen before or since. One good thing – we live close to a large hospital and since all this the number of ambulance sirens blaring has reduced from one every ten minutes during the day to once every so often although they have begun to increase in numbers lately….Crazy, crazy world full of easily led people. Very worrying times indeed.
We should stop using their terminology and start using phases which have more negative connotations. For example, self isolation should be something like solitary confinement. Social distancing – inhumane separation. And we should never use the term new normal. Something with the word abnormal would be better. If anyone has any ideas then we can start using them in social media more and more and hopefully the wider public would start using them too
Thank you for this Stephen. I for one intend to adjust my speech accordingly. Let’s keep the alternatives coming.
Brave New Normal
Good idea:
Unscientific
Unevidenced
Inhumane
Illogical
Instead of economy – social fabric, social contract, life-enhancing interactions?
Instead of Herd Immunity – safety in numbers?
BTW not socially distancing is innate and hardwired in humans, to distance is unnatural
Masks are facial sanitary pads.
From the BBC Live Coverage:
“Poland has tested 23,400 people in the previous 24 hours, a record high. About 5,000 miners from the state-owned coal miner PGG were tested by Sunday and around 500 miners tested positive.
Szumowski said 97% of infected miners are not showing symptoms, which increases the risk of them infecting others. Hot and humid conditions deep underground are good conditions for spreading the virus. Miners also cannot wear face masks due to the nature of their work.”
97% asymptomatic!
Absolutely stunning news. 97% 0f 500 asymptomatic. What happens if UK start to mass test let us say prisons in Wales and we have the same results? What happens then with the R factor and scientific assessment of threat level? Are we going to close down the country again because of that? Admit defeat. The virus has outsmarted us. Open up everything and wait for summer, any spikes or small waves along the way down the Bell curve can be handled by the NHS.
“Szumowski said 97% of infected miners are not showing symptoms, which increases the risk of them infecting others. ”
Or your test is useless. You’ve just identified that 10% of the population appear to have a common strand of RNA and trying to match any symptoms is “correllation is not causation”.
Much like what happened in Wuhan (if you listen to Wolfgang Wodarg and look at the data). Strange respiratory symptoms which causes PCR testing to be used (a non-diagnostic test). RNA strands are found but with no context – have they always been in the population? Have you tested people over many weeks and months to establish a baseline?
Association of symptoms with the RNA markers rather than follow Koch’s postulates. No link between markers and symptoms. Also depending on the amplification levels used in PCR you can get any result you want.
Fast track the test to WHO and voila! You have a meaningless test that can be used any way you want.
A test is only as good as its qualification, characterisation and calibration. Otherwise it’s “Doctor Doctor I’ve got a bone in my leg!”
Our leaders seem to have opted for cock-up rather than Koch’s postulates.
Here’s a rather basic question from frustrated, incredulous and increasingly cynical person up here in Sturgeon land: what will happen in border communities, as here and in the Welsh Marches.
Will those under severe lockdown sneak across into, say Shropshire or Northumberland for a bit of extra time.?
Will goodies be smuggled across the border areas?
How about, say, living in Berwick or Llandrindod Wells, but working in England? Or vice versa?
This is a recipe for chaos, and it’s turning into a deadly farce.
Surely the United Kingdom, if such still exists, could have finally got its act together for a unified strategy.
Is this too much to ask from our leaders?
“Is this too much to ask from our leaders?”
Is this a trick question?
🙂
Probably! Or a terminally p…..d off one!
Seems to me political opportunism from devolved governments. Based on recent news, they’re looking for anything to beat the government with. They are politicising the issues. Sturgeon does her daily press conferences earlier than England probably just to try be petty. We even have Andy Burnham trying get Manchester to have its own lockdown policies – let him if he wants and see how his people react if the rest of England is a little bit more liberated but Manchester isn’t. It will go down well I’m sure.
I’d like to see how they react when Furlough payments run dry, then the devolved governments will be delivering work edicts around like Stalin.
Yes I think you’re correct: the endless point scoring at a time when unity and common sense seem to have been discarded is a disgrace.
She who must be obeyed never misses a chance to have a pop at Westminster, and it does no good.
The last time I looked, Berwick-upon-Tweed was in England!!
My mistake!
There were times when it wasn’t
It’s a good point, in some respects Wales is less ‘separated’ from England than Scotland is, there are some fairly large urban conurbations in the borders, the most obvious being the Deeside region in NE Wales with lots of people working and having immediate family either side of the border. Some areas of Deeside are really suburbs of Chester!
Coronavirus: ‘Loose’ lockdown rules ‘unfair’ on officers, police warn
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52618005
So bog off and stop enforcing them, fools!
In my and many others’ experience, you never have any difficulty or feel any shame in saying you can’t respond to real crimes because you are too busy. so when you get a patently stupid law like this, just ignore it and get on with your proper jobs.
Lol. So we’ve moved from guidance (not law) that was unfair to the citizen to guidance (not law) that’s unfair to police officers.
Sounds like we’re moving in the right direction to me.
(They deserve a little ‘unfairness’ after the way they’ve been treating us for six weeks)
They have probably been as paralysed by fear as many of the population! But still in a job 🙂
I would cut them just a little bit of slack. There will be normal people in there too
An important starting point for looking at how to REALLY reduce deaths in pandemics by actually addressing underlying health factors (shock horror – what an extraordinary idea), rather than waiting for “Professor Bill Gates’ Miracle Vaccine Tonic”.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20087965v1
Can someone answer this question – or if not answer, give an opinion on it? (I seem to have been locked in to Lockdown Sceptics for two days now. Good job I’m self-employed, work from home and can bide my time.) Anyway, question: During the AIDS panic in the 1980s, after the usual hysteria of a few months or so, it was pretty much established that the virus was 99% inactive outside the body after a few hours or so as it dried up in the air. Since viral load is significant for infection (the more there is the more likely it is to score) which so-called expert suggested that this corona virus can survive up to 72 hours on surfaces? I mean, really? Does it have some special feature that prevents it from drying out? Is someone giving it moisturising cream?
There are too many scientists with opinions, mostly they seem to be utter drivel. It must be one hell of a virus, that comes with a coating of Johnsons baby lotion. Yesterday someone posted a short video by an ITU doctor who claimed that 18000 new cases per day were occurring, yet he admitted his ITU was absolutely fine, no pressure, he could even have a coffee and speak to his phone to record his message. Its things like this that cause contempt for so called scientists – 18000 cases per day? Every ITU would be dead and buried, as would the staff.
I’m a scientist, but if I’m not sure of what I’m saying and can’t provide adequate evidence for my conclusions, my peers and customers would remove themselves from my sphere of influence – I’d eventually become someone who they don’t wish to ask a question of because in short they’d think that I’m full of shit. Eventually, I’d lose my job. These simple rules apply in my private sector world at least – prove what you claim or shut up. They don’t in this coronavirus addled world.
Researchers have looked at this and it is surprising to me – but then I’m not a virologist. What wasn’t said (and probably would need another paper) was so what if it is still viable on a surface? How much? And does it come off the surface easily in sufficient quantity to spread? I haven’t heard anything on this.
I think we are used to being told that you can’t really catch much from a toilet seat or touching an ATM machine because bugs don’t survive outside for long. We don’t know with Covid and the transmission is still being studied. It surely can’t be that bad or everyone would have it by now.
Hendrick Streeck in Germany found very little evidence of this kind of transmission:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8182767/Scientist-casts-doubt-coronavirus-spread.html
“Research conducted by Prof Streeck in one of Germany’s worst-hit regions showed that the home of one infected family did not have ‘any live virus on any surface’, adding even more questions as to how the virus is spread from person to person.
……..
Prof Streeck said the virus had not even been found on door knobs or animal fur.
He told German TV that there had been ‘no proven infections while shopping or at the hairdressers’.
…..
Prof Streeck stressed there were still unknowns about how it is actually spreading.
‘The virus spreads in other places: the party in Ischgl, the club in Berlin, the football game in Bergamo.
‘We know it’s not a smear infection that is transmitted by touching objects, but that close dancing and exuberant celebrations have led to infections.’
He said Germany’s patient zero had only infected her colleagues and not other guests or diners at the hotel she had been staying at.”
Thanks this is great information contradicting the so-called lengthy survival of the virus. Lots of scaremongering stories to keep people scared
Sunlight zaps it in minutes according to the US DHS
https://www.scribd.com/doc/456897616
Soap and water breaks down the lipid layer on coronavirus just like on any other virus, so no indication that it has anything special to stop it drying out. There was extensive media coverage of 17 day old samples being found on the Diamond Princess, but that was only enough fragments of RNA for the genome to be identified, not a viable virus particle.
72 hours is mercifully short, and only that long on surfaces which aren’t being sun exposed, weatehr beaten or cleaned and are non-porous (porous surfaces suck moisture away from the viral particles). Norovirus can last weeks on a surface. Given this shrot lifespan on a surface we can see what an easy virus covid-19 is to control, and why the lockdown is the wrong decision.
Its like a normal day before the lockdown outside my place, beautiful to see.
True, straight back to early March temperatures!
Same here (looks like London is getting busy as well). I’ve been out for a walk and there’s more people around and lots more cars on the roads. Loads of my mates went back to work today and loads going back next Monday.
I’m thinking about sending everyone back to the office on the 1st of June.
I’m starting to feel more positive. I think the lockdown will just collapse by the will/actions of the public
Two twitter accounts to keep your spirit up in this Covid-19 mayhem
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1259679959209164803/photo/1
Not sure if this person is a genius or a crank but his almost daily updated chart gives you hope that this pandemic will follow the SARS going into oblivion in the summer
https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1259072990383427584
This is a certified genius Prof Michael Levitt Israel the first to say something intelligent about the pandemic curves. A mathematician saying all the sensible things our public heath epidemiologists failed to do. He was the first to spot that there was some form of resistance in the population against Covid-19 as it did not behave really exponentially in the end. He did this calculation by pure mathematics and he is not at all an epidemiologist or biological scientist. Great source of information
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Great respect for some of the things Levitt has said, but he was by no means the first, at least as far as I’m aware (although he was watching the numbers from January, so he might well have been saying it from the start and it wasn’t reported or I just didn’t see the reports.
I was watching this point as the epidemics progressed, and the first mainstream report I saw with a credible mathematical case was this Israeli mathematician:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
But the first mathematician I saw making the argument was a fringe “conspiracist” type mathematician called Andrew Mather who had a guest appearance on UK Column at the beginning of April:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdIvdhjrm20
I suspect, because of the lack of mainstream reporting, that these were independent observations by the individuals concerned. Imo, the fact that I had to find this on fringe sites because it wasn’t prominently reported here in the mainstream should be the final nail in the coffin for any argument supporting the modern censorship of dissenting views and sites being introduced everywhere by big tech and big media.
I should add, I use the term “conspiracist” descriptively, not pejoratively.
Some bloke on his couch saying “Imperial College plucked a number out of thin air”. This is clearly incorrect and a stupid statement. You can say their model has issues but it does exist. Zero credibility.
Zero credibility is also a good description of Ferguson’s model
That was clearly hyperbole, but in reality “plucking a number out of thin air” is not all that much distant from modelling based on guesses (that have proved to have been incorrect guesses that resulted in disastrously misleading results). Garbage in, garbage out.
But in any case, the point was that he spotted the trend for the progress of the disease to be quite independent of government responses, and to drop out of any real exponential growth phase quite early.
https://twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/1224722246243098624
He started 4th Feb already with the calculation with Hubei outbreak and I think there are some interviews with him in February discussing the issues
Fair enough. I wasn’t aware of early tweets about it, but anyway I suspect these were independent discoveries.
Posted this on yesterdays update, very late, so will post again now that loads more of you are here. I have on here for well over a week now as had enough of what I was seeing quite honestly, wilful disregard for facts and and common sense. I did not get it at all but now seeing a bit more to the picture
More optimistic.
I feel the government and Boris have played an absolute blinder in the grand scheme of things considering the unbelievable amount of pressure he has been under from the media and other governments. Remember almost the ENTIRE world is in lockdown!
Project FEAR has of course been a deliberate strategy from the start (led from the media ?) when he realised that the sensible strategy of normally acquied herd immunity was shouted down by the press. But, and trust me on this, I feel that the UK has been put on a short sharp super high death curve from the beginning to achieve the goal of herd immunity. Plan B.
Project FEAR was always twofold – you have the terrified sheep who were always going to be fearful of the virus and were… Read more »
On the contrary, the only reason he couldn’t be Churchill was that he is NOT Churchill; Chamberlain, maybe!
It is probably Boris’ Dardanelles though!
My PhD friend who worked in respiratory viruses told me that ages ago, no way with a lockdown this leaky that the plan wasn’t herd immunity. Did you see Raab on the beeb? They have been clever, they are now saying you can meet your friends and family outside with distance. But they also said you can be out as long as you like, drive as far as you like, sit and loiter as long as you like (ie it’s unenforceable and cannot be policed, a fact reiterated by every senior policeman in the country by 9pm). It is a total mindf*ck, but I find your analysis convincing, I think that’s what they’ve done.
Just looked at a Twitter feed on this, with YOUNG people commenting hysterically “OMG! OMG! THEY WON’T KEEP 2m APART! THEY’LL SPREAD THE VIRUS! THEY’LL SPREAD THE VIRUS!”
Yes, indeed they will! At this stage, that’s exactly what we want! THAT’S THE WHOLE BLOODY IDEA!
Evidently the concept of “herd immunity” is not taught in GCSE Biology. A whole generation has been dumbed down big time.
Plus, what are they gonna do, police already said their role in policing and enforcing is over. I’ve let a couple of my sanctimonious lefty friends who are still clinging to my friend’s list have it with both barrels this morning, granny murderer shoe is now on the other foot. And yes as for virus spreading, that ship has sailed, which is why I think the fabled antibody results never appeared. Plus if team Kings are right, we’ve had it since Dec, and it has two groups of symptoms. God knows what the fallout will be, but I think IanP’s analysis is right. So I’ve just messaged sis in law, family meet up in progress.
No, it’s worse than that – the concept of herd immunity was intentionally demonised quite early on by the panic mongers as “heartless” and even “darwinist” (as I’ve had one person refer to it!), because it promoted a more relaxed approach to the whole thing rather than the panic and lockdown they wanted.
Remember back to early March, when almost overnight the government and government experts stopped referring to it and desperately distanced themselves from it whenever it was mentioned. And this seems to have been a worldwide phenomenon. The Swedish government experts have been almost the only ones to keep talking rationally about it, and even they were reduced to describing it as a “byproduct” of their policy.
I know, but why? I am so angry with the opposition, they actually have a bloomin’ job in a democracy. The point scoring is doing me in! I am starting to think that some of the more extreme activists actually want people to die so they can stick the boot in.
You should see my Facebook thread: it’s exactly that from the children of my mates who have ‘friended’ me on FB. They are beside themselves that these slightly relaxed guidelines are going to kill us all. Thank goodness we didn’t have social media in 1968, the world would probably have ended.
I hope you’re right, and we’ve ALL BEEN played!
Hmmmm…
I suspect it might be a sort of reverse Hanlon’s Razor, if it’s anything at all:
“Never ascribe to GENIUS that which can be explained by incompetence”.
OTOH if this strategy was, by any remote chance, deliberate, then Boris has indeed played a clever hand and has actually made a truly Churchillian sacrifice – knowingly trashing his career and reputation to minimise the damage to his country.
Yeah, maybe finally found a way out of the mess might be a better explanation.
Ok mind well and truly f**ked
And do you think Cummings and Lee Cain have been the driving force behind this because a plan so dastardly would involve having a half a brain and looking at the Cabinet, well….
We’ve known for a while now that “just” 10% of Covid-related deaths are in the working population aged 20-65. Should that fact not feature more prominently in the Government’s get-back-to-work strategy?
It is also significant that of the small number of those aged 20-65 whose death was Covid-related, around 80% had underlying medical conditions that made them especially vulnerable.
Andrew Neil on Twitter
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1259786332534116354?s=19
I fully expect to be in a minority of one on this, but what concerns me most about that front page is the little story in the top right. Is it not unprecedented for the Monarch to disappear completely from the public stage? Of course, given her age, she is more at risk from this virus than the general population but that is true for every seasonal flu virus. Staying at home doesn’t really cut it imo. The example the royals need to set is that of going to work. I also see no reason why a younger royal could not stand in at the trooping of the colour and why crowds could not simply be managed with ground markers and a ticket system. There have always been flu viruses but royal traditions have not been cancelled because of them. I feel uneasy. Democracy has been suspended (cancelled?) and the constitutional monarchy shunted out of sight. Is this the new normal?
I did wonder if an alternative explanation was she’s so appalled, that she’s doing a ‘not in my name’ and is refusing to play along with the charade visited on her people, but can’t say so?
I too was concerned about HM not being in public, and I do hope that your explanation is the right one! I’d love to think of her rebelling against all the hoo-ha 🙂
You’re certainly not in a minority of one. I am of this generation, we didn’t pack up and go home
80.000 + dead in UK. (I was in school – and the wrong country – so couldn’t go to Woodstock) https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/
Matt Ridley’s new blog post
IS THE CHILLING TRUTH THAT THE DECISION TO IMPOSE LOCKDOWN WAS BASED ON CRUDE MATHEMATICAL GUESSWORK?
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/lockdown-and-mathematical-guesswork/
Hello fellow sceptics. This video suggests that Prof Lockdown’s title of world’s worst statistical modeller will be hotly contested this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naj3MeL9YKw&t=2223s
New blog post from GP Malcolm Kendrick (a Lockdown Sceptic from day 1)
‘How to make a crisis far, far, worse’
‘‘A slow and botched response’: how my eight weeks on the Covid-19 frontline taught me how the NHS made this crisis worse.
No PPE, no tests, no support. I work as a GP in care homes and a hospital setting, and watched in horror over the past few weeks at how the approach we took to tackling the virus caused my elderly patients to die.”
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/05/11/how-to-make-a-crisis-far-far-worse/
For those that missed them, he’s done a number of great posts:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/29/a-health-economic-perspective-on-covid-19/
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/12/the-lockdown-is-not-a-way-of-beating-this-virus/
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/21/the-anti-lockdown-strategy/
He’s great, also highly recommend his book, ‘Doctoring Data’.
So when autumn and winter come back around and we start seeing spikes of flu/cold like illnesses are the Government going to move their alert up to the next level or is it just going to be for Covid19 ? What about flu and pneumonia are will just forget about them like they aren’t happening or are we going to get a alert system for that too and be thown into house arrest every winter ?
Whole thing is a complete mess and we are being led by a gang of donkeys.
Agreed, and if we would only just crack on with it now, we could have herd immunity in a few weeks and protect the old, protect the NHS before flu season arrives. So a decision to stay cowering at home is a decision to kill the old. I keep circling back to this is a war of messaging, and we need to change the script.
“Who has “illusions”? – And “necessity”?”
I’m reminded – every hour, in these days – of the quote from William Pitt the Younger, from a speech he gave in the House of Commons on the 18th November of 1783:
“Necessity is the plea for every breach of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
This naturally led me to think of another famous quote, this time from Frederick Douglass, former slave, who on August 3rd 1857, said:
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
Surely it has been truly observed that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. My preferred corollary being that we few who do remember it are condemned to watch the rest repeat it.
Who now in England remembers the words of your youngest… Read more »
Great quotes – I shall probably use those!
Ditto!
I’ve been reluctant to say this but the more I read https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ (last updated May 6th) – and I have been studying it from the outset – the more I can’t help thinking this is a coordinated coup. It’s outlandish I know, and I am no fan of David Icke, but if you look at the overwhelming evidence of the real dangers of the virus from experts who don’t get heard in the MSM and the fact that virtually all governments are ignoring them then what other explanation is there? Johnson’s proclamations last night seem to bear this out. Nothing’s really changing despite the certainty that the economy is wrecked beyond repair, so what can this be but an exercise in social control enabled by inadequate, clueless politicians backed up by born again Nazis in police uniforms? To those who say (I was amongst them once) this is too big to be coordinated, my reply is: okay, then it’s a gift well harnessed by totalitarian tendencies. And their instincts have been borne out by the wilful stay-at-homes who are happy to give up their civil liberties. You can all shout ‘conspiracy theorist’ from the rooftops, I don’t care. I don’t… Read more »
After watching on Youtube the creepy English language videos from China, right at the beginning of January, creating panic when they can’t possibly have known at that point there was any need to panic, I too am beginning reluctantly to wonder if there is something deliberately coordinated going on here. Why, the Chinese even have clapping for their equivalent of the NHS!
Jane could you possibly post a link to one of these “English language videos from China”? I didn’t know about this and would be fascinated to see it.
Like you, Nige, I am apprehensive about the future. If people don’t wake up there may not be much of one for any of us.
There seem to be three strands to this
1) The Fear Porn. Everything hinges on this. The masses still think the Black Death lurks outside their front doors and that the disease is 100% fatal. If the true IFR was known the other two strands would immediately lose their relevance. Us “little people” can do our bit – I’ve found Dr John Lee’s interview to be excellent in presenting the reality in a calm, clear, very “British” manner – but the heavy lifting will have to be done by our doctors and scientists (the ones without vested interests)
2) The Compulsory Vaccine. If this is going to take flight it must be rushed through while the populace is still terrified. But a rushed vaccine is a potential catastrophe with deaths and disability on a scale far exceeding the virus, as a very real scenario. Again we are dependent on doctors and scientists to speak up.
3) Tagging/tracing/photo recognition and all the trappings of a police state, are using the “killer virus” as their entry point.… Read more »
Gracie, i think this is what we signed up for (metaphysically – I know you know what I mean). If you think there’s nothing we can do, how about paving the way for the future generations you mentioned?
Just an observation about the timing of this pandemic… there was very little talk about the novel coronavirus outbreak until the last week in January. I took particular note, because I was in hospital for a knee replacement and ended up on oxygen therapy for 7 or 8 days (very similar symptoms to covid19), with “Hospital Acquired Pneumonia”, they said. Anyway, my point is this, from 20th to 24th January there was a meeting of the great and the good, at a little place called Davos, and then following that, suddenly the world became aware of this growing epidemic. Coincidence? Maybe…
KH, join the resistance and make yourself known.
I’ve been discussing this a lot with friends, as we remain dismayed at the ‘I don’t care what the government / science / experts say, I’m staying at home’.
I think the only way we are going to change this is:
1. It becomes ridiculous (in the true sense of worthy of ridicule), absurd, embarrassing, laughable and subject to mockery to continue to gibber like a lily livered neurotic hypochondriac in the face of such miniscule risk. I think our only hope is to take the piss.
2.It becomes unpatriotic. Your country needs you to do your duty, get a grip, and get on with it with fortitude and courage. Refusal to do so gets you two white feathers. If you care about the old and vulnerable, then get out there, and crack on before flu season comes.
There is so much irrationality, and self centred gibbering, it’s entitled, selfish, and indulgent. It also needs to be socially unacceptable.
Agreed. I also think that social distancing is a very unnatural and totally weird thing to be doing – and people who do it should be laughed at, in my opinion. However, in the interests of respect for our fellow human beings, we have to go along with social distancing. Or do we?
One idea I had is that those people who think social distancing is a joke should identify themselves somehow (maybe a high viz band or something). That way, when we are queuing outside Sainsbury’s, those people wearing the band can confidently stand next to each other like normal human beings.
Seen this? https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1259740021445312515
Plus we now know the intention was 1m, not 2m, they just thought us too thick to know the difference. Plus he’s pretty much told the police there’s no way to enforce or police it (a view confirmed by senior police officers). I am hoping, this along with Raab’s clarifications, means they are leaving it up to us to change the mood.
I am now of the opinion that complete contempt and piss take is the one few ways to help me cope. Whenever I see someone walking towards me, I point blank refuse to move. If someone gives me a wide berth when out walking, I now shake my head and say and audible obscenity and move towards them as I go past.
If I see someone in a car with a facemask on (this winds me up to a level of extreme rage), I scream at the car and make myself as psychotic looking as possible. If I’m in my car and am level with a mask wearing gimp I stare and sadly shake my head, beeping if necessary to attract their attention.
I don’t want to scare people, just make them feel stupid, laughed at. I am trying to think of another example, going to the shop if your pyjamas (last encounted that in the co op, a woman in full night gear including slippers and dressing gown buying 48 cans of cider), smoking indoors, spitting, going outside naked, fly tipping etc.
I know, but social conformity is a two way street, we hate being laughed at. We don’t need to be cruel, people just need to feel silly, you know ‘It’s elf and safety gorn maaad!’
I don’t think you need to apologise for saying brilliant – I’m flattered!! I know its not nice to be laughed at and people are insecure, but sometimes it takes something a little more harsh and brutal to wake people up. If people really think waiting in the bushes for me to pass them on a 10m wide path is normal, I’m not going to pander to their insecurities, not any more. People have to wake up, or before you know it we’ll be sleep walking into a totalitarian state, which is a real risk. I can tolerate a lot of peoples foibles, I have many myself, but manufactured fear which has been thrust upon people by the state is something I cant abide. People need to fight it, which just isn’t happening.
There is definitely moral superiority. I was with my daughter outside a mini Morrisons last week, sitting on a bench with no one within at least 20ft. A youngish couple walked past and the woman glared at me and my daughter, for the entirety of about 30 yards, turning her head to sustain the glare as she finally went past. I didn’t refrain myself from asking who the hell she was looking at and received no reply. If people are insecure, fine but there’s no need to have some pathetic moral high ground and I can’t allow myself to be intimidated for doing something I vehemently believe is harmless – sitting on a bench.
I think the NHS clapping thing, for me at least has been a way to meet our neighbours – simply to get out. I certainly don’t believe in it or deifying the NHS, but for the older people in my close and the kids, its a way of simply letting off steam, seeing and speaking to someone else.
You can see and speak to someone without clapping. I endorse all your comments here and do much the same but I won’t be reduced to the level of a performing seal because it seems to me that is just another unsubtle method to induce compliance.
I should add that my idea would be vastly improved if the social distance lovers identified themselves instead. Then everyone else can get back to normal life and just stay clear of those people.
Maybe in due course masks will serve this purpose, to some extent?
Masks, along with sunglasses, will be needed by the resistance when we are monitored by facial recognition software in all public spaces.
In Hong Kong they are using lasers against the facial recognition cameras 😱
Perhaps it might help all the people who think they are going to die by breathing anywhere outside their homes, to let them know that they could be suffering from a serious mental illness and may need psychiatric care:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7151292/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7134790/
If you just behave completely normally and let them recoil away from you in disgust, and then smile and don’t let it change your behaviour, eventually they WILL start to see that they’re the mad one. It just needs enough of us to keep behaving normally and eventually we’ll socially reprogram them