When the vaccine rollout got underway, some scientists argued that mass vaccination would set up an evolutionary selection pressure in favour of vaccine-resistant strains, potentially prolonging the pandemic.
For example, Robert Malone and Peter Navarro wrote the following in the Washington Times:
The more people you vaccinate, the greater the number of vaccine-resistant mutations you are likely to get, the less durable the vaccines will become, ever more powerful vaccines will have to be developed, and individuals will be exposed to more and more risk … If the entire population has been trained via a universal vaccination strategy to have the same basic immune response, then once a viral escape mutant is selected, it will rapidly spread through the entire population
To avoid being locked into an arms race with the virus, they argued that only the most vulnerable should be vaccinated. They were calling, in other words, for focused protection.
However, many scientists were sceptical that this constituted a good enough reason to hold off on mass vaccination. After all, people were dying of Covid now, and the ‘arms race argument’ was in any case speculative.
It’s important to note: the premise of Malone and Navarro’s argument – that vaccination can drive viral evolution – is accepted by many of those who support the mass rollout of Covid vaccines. At a press conference in January, the UK’s Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said the following:
The more you vaccinate, the more you put evolutionary pressure on the virus. So it’s true that, as you get up to very high levels of vaccination, the virus is then struggling to find out what to do, and that eventually will become an issue.
The part of Malone and Navarro’s argument that is in dispute, it seems, is that the ensuing arms race will prove unmanageable. For example, Vallance followed his comments above by saying, “the virus probably will mutate at that point, and that means that different vaccines will be needed in due course.”
So Malone and Vallance agree that mass vaccination can drive viral evolution, at least in principle. But is there any empirical evidence that this is happening with the Covid vaccines? Yes, according to a paper published in the Journal of Physical Chemistry Letters.
Rui Wang and colleagues analysed SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequence data from the first ten months of 2021, and identified one particular viral mutation that has vaccine escape properties. (This mutation goes by the catchy name “Y449S”.)
They tracked Y449S over time in 14 different countries with high vaccination rates, and found that its frequency was correlated the percentage of people vaccinated, as shown in the figure below.
Although the mutation’s absolute frequency remained relatively low in all countries, it became more prevalent as the percentage of people vaccinated went up. This constitutes preliminary evidence that it was selected for by the vaccine rollout.
Of course, we know that Y449S did not come to dominate in the population of Covid variants. Another mutation, Delta, turned out to be more evolutionarily successful. This suggests that vaccine escape was not the main force driving the SARS-CoV-2 evolution over the period in question.
However, the researchers conclude that once most people around the world have acquired antibodies from either vaccination or infection, vaccine and immune escape mutations “will become a major mechanism of transmission”.
Returning to Malone and Navarro’s argument, it all hinges on how manageable the ensuing arms race proves to be. Given that many scientists support the mass rollout of Covid vaccines, they must believe that it will be manageable. We’ll learn over the following months and years whether they’re right.
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Personally, I doubt the “must believe” bit. More likely they have not – and will not =- give it any thought.
Only an idiot supports these injections. How many times does the fundamental point have to be made before people acknowledge what has been known and confirmed from the very start by the very best in the business and the most qualified and by GOVUK – that Convid is a LOW MORTALITY RATE VIRUS (if it exists at all but for the sake of argument I will pretend that this has been proven beyond doubt even though it hasnt) with a survival rate of 99.85percent (99.9 rounded up) from NATURAL IMMUNITY WITH NO INTERVENTION. They can PREVENT AND TREAT illness with OUT OF PATENT CHEAP AND EFFECTIVE DRUGS WHICH ARE PERFECTLY MATCHED WITH GODS CREATION – THINGS LIKE VITAMIN D AND VITAMIN C AND ZINC.
Therefore there is NO NEED TO INJECT ANYONE WITH THESE EXPERIMENTAL DANGEROUS INJECTIONS.
Despite the fact that you know all this to be true, you continue to relentlessly spew out garbage and actually very dangerous proclamations that these injections serve a legit purpose and that they are doing good in our world.
Noone knows what the true long and medium term effects will be but judging by the fact that the blood of the jabbed looks hideous and all wrong and given that the animals in the trials they did for this all died (they swept that one inder the carpet), and given that the prediction of some kind of immune system meltdown could be approaching, dont you think that it would be useful to provide some visible actual opposition to this evil, rather than making excuses for what these utter scumbags are doing to everyoen on the bakc of a LOW MORTALITY RATE VIRUS WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNNOTICEABLE IN MAINSTREAM SOCIETY.
This is really starting to piss me off now. You are helping these scumbags to get away with this crap with these mixed messages.
Status of COVID-19
BREAKING NEWS ! Prof Dr John Ioannidis Stanford University On Real Data On Coronavirus Pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvDL6kIDsA
Global perspective of COVID-19 epidemiology for a full-cycle pandemic
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13423
If you disagree, please provide the DS rationale for supporting these injections, with a focus on the fact that out of patent cheap and effective druigs ARE available, its just that the criminals in HMG have banned the hospitals and doctors from using them. More crimes from these lowlifes. Please explain why mass jabbing is better than treating this LOW MORTALITY RATE virus.
Yeah, this. This comment. Says it all. This site is great, but it has one glaring problem, and that is the inability to grasp that vaccines are the lockdown extended into the actual corporeal body. It is the next layer of command and control which is being imposed on us. Toby thinks vaccines are one of the greatest boons of science, well, he is simply not up to speed. Vaccines are not responsible for the demise of the diseases which blighted mankind. Clean water is. Sanitation is. Separating the shit from the food is. Vaccines came along at the end. If you are underinformed on all of this, you need to read the RFK Jr book on Fauci, and for bonus points, read Dissolving Illusions. If you haven’t read either or both of those books, and you think that vaccines are here to help us, sorry, you are woefully underinformed. Which is fine, but then your opinion is worthless. Toby I’m talking to you. Read those books. There is a massive problem here which is not an extreme position, as characterised, it is the position that all normal healthy informed humans should adopt. We have cheap safe efficient therapies for COVID, and it is only the formal denial of this that has allowed the vaccines to be given the emergency use authorisation. This is not a complicated point to grasp, so if you can’t grasp it, you need to go back to the beginning, educate yourself, check in with your basic humanity and start again. The vaccines are a catastrophic nightmare for humanity. Anyway. Great comment.
Just two things to add. Quercetin 250 mg daily and please see every last word Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist has written about the serious adverse events and autopsy results in those who have died post vaxx.
And scope the German pathologists who have seen the exact same effects in autopsies they have performed.
No, they, can’t treat it with vitamin D remember, the rigged trials that were completely different from the OMNS recommendations said so!
“hopefully” would also be an apt word. One would hopefully like to think they know what the hell they are doing but the evidence shows that they do not and they do not even care.
Sadly the more experimental biologicals given the more cases. Anyone else notice this. Many top world renowned scientists calling for an immediate cease and desist order for the covid jabs.
https://www.facebook.com/1013292843/videos/950373872529727/?d=w
UK Mulls Door-To-Door Vaccination Squads
“I am all in favour of free choice but there comes a point when you cannot lock up 90 per cent of the country who are vaccinated for the ten per cent who refuse to be.” – UK Cabinet Minister.
“The mood in the country is hardening against people who refuse to be vaccinated.” – same UK Cabinet Minister.
I think the Cabinet Minister knows they are losing….
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/uk-mulls-door-door-vaccination-squads
Is this really any particular cabinet minister, or are we seeing the nudge unit at work again here?
Send them to my house. Just send them. They won’t know what has hit them.
Of course, if they have tazers…
“…you cannot lock up 90 per cent of the country who are vaccinated for the ten per cent who refuse to be.”
So, don’t, minister.
There was never going to be 100% uptake, even with human rights abuses. If the “vaccine” doesn’t work when 90% take it, why should it work with 90%? And then there’s possibly millions in the unknown population (and certainly many thousands), who are presumably rather less likely to take this stuff
I was involved in a discussion about this a year ago on a non-sceptical forum.
An ‘expert’ took the view that there would be more mutations generated if a virus ran wild, simply as a result of the large number of people infected. I did not have the expertise to refute that but was uncomfortable with what they said back then and am far more than uncomfortable with it now
That would only be a feasible argument if the vaccines provided sterilising immunity – which the clotshots don’t.
As an unjabbed senior citizen I am even more happy to be in the control group.
Dr Robert Malone has been one of the true heroes in the fight against the Covid madness. He has held firm in the face of a torrent of abuse and I do believe he will be vindicated in time. If there is any justice, he will be awarded a Nobel prize.
GVB has been saying this for about a year
And it will get worse.
Do you think the virus is likely to mutate to become more dangerous? Everything I have read suggests that Delta and omicron being, successively, much milder was to be expected, even though they both evade the vaccines.
Theory is circulating around that omicron is so ‘mutated’ that most probably was a lab creation. I would like to see some expert openly discuss this topic but I know the sensitivity of the topic.
There seems to be a theory that viral mutations which cause mild effects in their hosts are more likely to survive, being more likely to travel from one host to another. Mutating to become more dangerous would tend to have the opposite effect, via the behaviour of ourselves.
It is one hell of a punt that is being taken…
HM Government is the virus, SAGE are the variants, & ‘Sir’ Chris Witless & Paddy Unbalanced are the mutants. Change my mind…
Dr Robert Malone and others are dead wrong about “variants”!!!
If C19 doesn’t exist because it fails Koch Postulates, then the “variants” are fictitious!!!
Even if C19 was real, experts like Dr Mike Yeadon already explained that “variants” are never dangerous, because they are 99.7% identical to the virus!!!
Articles like this only serve to deceive people, keep them busy with illusions and also help to perpetuate the fraud… so ‘vaccines’ are producing “variants” and “variants” are the excuse to create more ‘vaccines’ – can’t you see Dr Malone is helping to perpetuate this vicious circle?
One last thing, count the doctors behind the to against the scamdemic
… count the doctors behind the fight against the scamdemic who continue to behave as C19 was real… it’s the drs McCullough, Tenpenny, Bhakdi, D. Cahill, Yeadon and do on… why don’t have the courage to say the virus doesn’t exist???
You can’t have both your ‘if’ and your ‘even if’. They cannot both be true. It’s not possible to isolate any virus in a perfectly purified form according to Koch’s postulates, but that doesn’t mean no virus exists.
Yes, variants could be used as an excuse to create more vaccines, but why bother when you can just coerce everyone into taking the ones that have already failed? The jabbing is now just a religious ritual. It’s not as if science has anything to do with it.
Dr. McCairn debunks Andrew Kaufman et al multiple times in his streams, search his site on Kaufman for the correct episodes. https://www.mccairndojo.com/past-episodes/ He presents cov2 in the frame of Koch postulates multiple times.
Kaufman is a grifter, he was selling $1500 per hr consultations with a mediacal disclaimer on his site before being called out, now he sells ‘premium access’ to his podcast and bottles of snake oil you can get on Amazon for 1/10 of the price Kaufman sells it for, he also sells a magic wand to make your water more healthy (lol)
Dr Kevin McCairn – the guy who used to be in the BNP according to Brendon O Connells patreon:
This guy is super dodge and not someone I would trust at all. I saw him trying to persuade Brendon with pictures of exosomes claiming them to be viruses. If this is the best youve got, you aint got nothing.
Oh he was in the BNP, he must be a shit PhD Neuro Biologist then, lets ignore his lab leak and Drosden paper response because Brendon O Connell says so then. You can read the papers yourself, you don’t need to take anyones word, that’s how science works, nullius in verba.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kevin-Mccairn
Wheres Kaufmans papers publishing his thesis? They don’t exist! A few on Psychology don’t cut the mustard. His virus = exosome BS has been debunked multiple times by multiple people, there’s even a paper showing the mRNA gets into exosomes, that look different from the TEM pics of the isolated virus you claim doesn’t exist! lol clown.
nullius in verba.
But you’d rather believe a snakeoil salesman, selling his resin at 10x the Amazon price, than do any reading, buy Kaufman another Porche (he has two). I’m sure he’d do you a medical disclamered ‘consultation’ for $1500 knock yourself out. Have you looked at his biotech patents for implanted hearing aids? nullius in verba.
He’s not a biologist, he’s not a virologist, he’s not even a bench scientist, but he’s Sooooo well skilled in Grifting he can reinvent biology (lol) From Kaufmans site “The New Biology”
(Only $65 lol)
(only $48 per month or 15% off the annual price only $430) check the Amazon price on that first tho eh, mite aswell get the best price snake oil if that’s yer thing
This is the best, a friggin magic wand that…
Can anyone say GRIFTER? Do you even research these people at all?
Seriously tho, I get there’s a market for gullible people who don’t trust anything the gov says, but be careful of the grifters taking advantage of these people, they have zero scruples.
But what better way to clear opposition to the comming Totalitarian Technocracy than to have these clowns running around shouting viruses arn’t real. Wake up FFS.
I base a large part of my decision that this entire episode is complete bullshit based on real life observations. The government said the worst health crisis in history was upon us. I have seen nothing in two years to corroborate this. There is no evidence of a novel virus. There is only evidence of fraud and criminality form those pushing the agenda. I have tonnes of evidence of fraud and malfeasance. I see it every day on the advertising boards for example. Convid is a scam, nothing else.
A real scientists writes, following meticulous research:
2021-10-25 ::: Nature of the COVID-era public health disaster in the USA, from all-cause mortality and socio-geo-economic and climatic data
https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=107&name=2021_10_25_nature_of_the_covid_era_public_health_disaster_in_the_usa_from_all_cause_mortality_and_socio_geo_economic_and_climatic_data
What I would like to see is real science taking place, where Lanka and Kaufman have grown up conversations with Malone and McCullough for example, to prove this either way. In other words for real science to take place. And I do not begrudge Kaufman for making a living. Seriously if you want to get angry aout people selling shit, rant about McDonalds or something.
Hey lets not segway into plan/scamdemic we can all agree on that. Lets stick to weather Kaufman is a GRIFTER (check) and weather viruses exists (check).
You think Kaufman will debate real biologists? lol as if, he runs away.
Even Zdogg (who’s an intellectual lightweight that gets very little about covid correct) did Kaufman, check his youtube of it, just skip to the part where Flemming got on Kaufmans premium stream and posted the TEM isolation paper, with the protein analysis proving it was the friggin virus, talking Kaufman through it.
Kaufmans face is a contorted picture of squirm “Oh I’d need to see the methods statement first” AS IF he’s not familiar with the friggin paper, it was on the friggin screen to look at, but no, “I’d need to see the methods statement” because like, he can’t just scroll friggin down can he.
And you finish with mansplainin Kaufmans GRIFT….
You want to see real science, then get over his BNP membership and watch MCain doing the live vax microscopy showing the shit in the vax, and what it does to live blood.
You want real science then go watch JJ Couey explaining immunology 101, how the immune system actually works, and how the mRNA vax cannot possibly provide sterilizing immunity.
You want real science then stop watching the circles jerk of patrion farming “virus doesn’t exist” grifters.
Andrew vs Judy – Do Viruses Exist? The FULL Info ONLY HERE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VrKEiqAOw9gE/
Ill be quite honest there is something a bit fishy about Kaufman but at present I give him the benefit of the doubt. I dont love the guy but I think he makes a lot of great points and is very intelligent. History is littered with proven science being trashed. Are we in the midst of another one of those moments with virology – maybe.
I think all those people are in a circle jerk of patrion farming Grifters.
There’s a lot fishy with Big Pharma, there’s a lot fishy with virology, especially in GoF circles, but they got the spike sequence from somewhere, if it wasn’t a virus the grifters need to come up with a plausible answer.
Just remember there is an information war going on, we’re in the middle of it, they want us all confused, ‘learned helplessness’ is a thing, that’s where the likes of Kaufman fit in. Ask yourself how Kaufman arrived on the scene with 30k+ followers, professionally designed websites with online shopping etc. he was also pushed on Facebook to anyone with a following.
Then ask why people like Jonathan Couey got shitcanned from his associate professorship, they even messed up his employment insurance so he couldn’t get any money; his youtube account frozen etc. for talking about decades old peer reviewed correct immuno Biology and showing how “The Science” on TV being pushed constantly deviates from it.
McCairn has had multiple accounts taken down from Youtube and Twitter.
Watch the streams Brendon O Connell did with McCairn, he walks through the papers showing the virus was isolated etc.
Here’s the first one. starts about 25mins in https://odysee.com/@Housatonic:0/hv00h0:2
As I understand it this has been an accepted fact for decades and is why we don’t mass vaccinate for things such as Flu and, dare I say it, Covid. It is sheer insanity to do so because what you are doing is turning the entire population into a breeding ground for variants. With these jabs, the situation is even worse because they are leakier than a sieve with a 2-inch hole in the middle. It is an accepted fact that leaky “vaccines” turn people into mutant factories, we saw this when the evidence was shown that jabbed carry a viral load up to 150 times greater than the un-jabbed.
Well it’s a no brainer…evolution will win. The virus mutates at a far faster rate than the time it takes to design, test and roll out a vaccine. This obsession with fighting virus with vaccines is insanity.
It’s not speculative at all, it’s been a well know phenomina since Andrew Reads Paper on Mareks disease in 2015. There’s been 10’s of researchers, Biologists, and scientists shouting it from twitter for over 18 months.
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
Joe Rogan raised this issue, Forbes got Andrew Read interviewed to debunk Rogan, he said this isn’t an issue with the covid vax because it only appies to leaky vaccines (this was prior to the global establishment admitting ‘breakthrough’ cases) although the vax effectiveness [<1% absolute effectiveness from the trials] has been in question since initial rollout.
Andrew Read Predicted it with Mareks Disease
Geert Vanden Bossche predicted it with the leaky SARS CoV2 vax
Fauci admitted the vax doesn’t stop transmission
Trevor Bedfords data says it’s happening in the S1 domain at orders of magnitude higher than any other domain.
Not spculative at all.
This was discussed in Jonathan Coueys (PhD Neuro Biologist) review paper ~18 months ago
https://gigaohmbiological.com/review
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/keep-looking-at-snapshots-and-youll-never-see-where-this-pandemic-is-headed
Is this piece really the best a professional researcher can do?
Dr. paul Alexander, substack, well worth a daily read. Full of useful data, research and clarity, and something missing from msm, honesty and integrity. When he does not know the answer, he actually holds up his hand and says so.