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How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?

by Toby Young
10 November 2021 12:35 PM

I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ about Sajid Javid’s decision to insist that all care home workers get vaccinated this week and all NHS staff by April of next year. It takes the form of a response to Matt Hancock’s op ed in the Telegraph. Here is an extract:

This week, former health secretary Matt Hancock wrote a newspaper article in which he said the logic for insisting NHS staff get vaccinated or face the sack was “crystal clear”.

He added: “There is no respectable argument left to keep this tool in the locker.”

But, oddly, he didn’t even consider the arguments against this draconian measure, let alone rebut them.

For instance, he doesn’t deal with the most obvious objection, namely that people who’ve been double jabbed can still catch COVID-19 and infect others. Indeed, according to raw data published by the Health Security Agency – the successor to Public Health England – rates of infection among the vaccinated are higher than they are for the unvaccinated.

Hancock could have challenged this data, as many have, by arguing that the vaccinated are more likely to be tested than the unvaccinated, making it difficult to compare the two. Instead, his entire argument rested on the premise that doctors and nurses who’ve been vaccinated cannot infect their patients. He could have argued that having the vaccine makes it less likely an infected person will pass the virus on, for which there’s some evidence, but he didn’t.

Then there’s the fact that those NHS workers who are currently unvaccinated may have had the virus and recovered. According to the BMJ, there is mounting evidence that natural immunity provides you with at least as much protection as being double jabbed.

If your priority is to protect patients, as Hancock claims, the logic of sacking the unvaccinated who’ve recovered from Covid, but continuing to employ the vaccinated who’ve never had it, is far from “crystal clear”.

Then there’s the moral argument. Hancock was effusive in his praise of ‘our NHS’ throughout his time as health secretary, encouraging us to clap for these courageous carers at the height of the pandemic. How can it now be right to threaten these same ‘heroes’ with the sack?

Finally, there’s the staffing argument. As a former health secretary, Hancock should know the NHS is chronically understaffed and the situation is getting worse. According to data published by NHS Digital, there were 93,806 full-time equivalent vacancies across the health service in England at the end of June.

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Clap for CarersMandatory VaccinationsMatt HancockNHSSajid Javid

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

What I want to know is where are all the pan clappers? They were haling NHS staff as heroes who were risking their lives for us. Where are they now? Are NHS staff no longer heroes? Does their sacrifice no longer mean anything?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Maybe we can do the pans?

Clap for the sacked.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

No wait a minute anyone who refuses to have a vaccine that doesnt stop infection or transmission even after THREE doses deserves everything they get surely ???? Im for LEMSIP myself

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

Ivermectin for me.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Quercetin, zinc, Vit d and c for me. Over 70, immunocompromised due to Tx for RA, don’t wear a mask, declined the koolaid. Turned off MSM all of it over one year ago. I see my friends and family daily. Hug, shake hands at the bowls club, play bridge and touch the cards everyone else touches etc etc. Get on with your lives folks. It has an expiration date💕

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

Nothing quite like downticking spam!

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adamsson
adamsson
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

That has potential

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Keepitsimple
Keepitsimple
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

How about a slow handclap at 8 pm every Thursday evening to protest about the sacking of unvaccinated care home workers and NHS workers? How can we promote this?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago
Reply to  Keepitsimple

You cannot promote it. People didn’t bag their pans cause someone decided to do it and told their friends. No, someone in charge of manipulating the public opinion came up with it and instructed the media to run a false story that everyone is doing it, and so people started doing it. “In the thick of it” was a documentary, not a sitcom.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Laura Dodsworth explores the role of government in creating the ‘clap for carers’ guff in her book ‘A State of fear’.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Thick it certainly was.

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I believe clapping for health workers started in Italy. They too are sacking(have sacked) health workers who do not get vaccinated.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Keepitsimple

The pan thing is a recuperation of what happened in Argentina more than 20 years ago when it had real force. The authorities are trying to cut people off from a similar expression of mass discontent here, not “political” in any party or representative sense, but basically wiping the damned rulers’ faces in the mess that THEY have so profitably (for themselves) created and saying we won’t stand for it any more.

As well as a slow hand clap, other ideas might include turning lights out at a prearranged time, or lots of us withdrawing money from banks. It wouldn’t have to be much. If 100000 people all withdrew £100 one morning, it wouldn’t surprise me if the banking system couldn’t cope.

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Good idea. That would nicely increase my overdraft!

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  Keepitsimple

How about a slow slow handclap for this government untill they fuck off

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

You will be there a long time, unfortunately. Nothing ain’t going to move the large lump of a PM. Not even corruption.

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

And even if it did, what filth would slop into its place?

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

And then another evil government will replace it!

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Keepitsimple

No.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

“Does their sacrifice no longer mean anything?”

You mean all those endless hours making Tik Tok movies.🤨😂

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Suzyv
Suzyv
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The pan clappers are the ones who have sold us out for being taken in by this fraud and not doing any due dligence. Equally they have done no due dilgence over this injection and think that everyone should take a dangerous experimental gene therapy shot, still in trial that doesn’t in reality protect them let alone anyone else. These NHS staff need to come out and speak the truth now and they should have done it 19mths ago.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Why clap for American corporations and sub-contractors to which NHS work has been ‘outsourced’? That’s what the NHS is now – all sold down the drain.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Maybe if the very well qualified clinicians didn’t panic at the hysterical over-reaction by government and pointed out the fallacies in the consequent ‘sky’s falling’ strategy a lot of this mess could have been avoided?
To me, heroes are those who stand up for their principles, not those rush off to dress up in hazmat suits more suited to Ebola than yet another flu like virus with a very, very limited death profile.

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

They are all double and triple jabbed awaiting their boosters and snarling at the dirty murderous ‘Anti-vaxxers’ in the NHS and care homes. They’ll be virtue signalling and pressing for more, much more than just summary sackings. Possibly even howling for the return of capital punishment for filthy evil ‘anti vaxxers’.
May I reintroduce Bob, lest he is forgotten…

BOB isnt vaccinated.jpg
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

This article from FakeNews CNN doesn’t even try.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/gavin-newsom-public-absence-kids-intervention/index.html

This excuse is so paper thin only CNN would report it with a straight face oh and mislead on the suggested reason he’s been out of public eye for no reason for two weeks!

Journalism is truly DEAD.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

Pretty solid case.

“If ‘my body, my choice’ means anything at all, it means the right to refuse an injection without losing your livelihood.”

The response is usually that we require other injections of medical staff (eg hepatitis,) so why not these?

The answers to that can be the following:

i The fact we might have made errors in the past doesn’t mean we should do so again (but politically this is quite weak, because people tend to think that if they are familiar with something then it’s ok).

ii This is not a familiar and safe vaccine, but rather an experimental novel therapy that acts in some ways like a vaccine, for which we do not have long term safety data. So precedents with other kinds of treatments don’t apply. Again, this is politically weak because you are going against lots of propaganda pretending the “vaccines” are vaccines like the ones we are used to, that they are safe etc.

iii It’s one thing requiring a treatment for new people coming into the job, who can choose whether or not to take it as part of the conditions. It’s quite another to impose it on people already in the roles. The only response there is “but emergency”.

And in the end, it all rests on the spurious idea that covid represents some deadly dangerous disease, that we face an emergency that justifies any measures necessary to mitigate it.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
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John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

When I last applied for a front line clinical role, they asked me about measles (which I’d had as a child), checked my TB status (scar on injection site) and checked my Hep B status through blood test and I needed a booster. TB is no longer vaccinated against unless high risk, and working in Leicester would put me at risk. Hepatitis B is to protect me and so makes sense, I’d had my first Hep B vaccination before I became a nurse but was in St John Ambulance and a first aider at work. The flu vaccination is not compulsory and flu is potentially more devastating than SARS-CoV-2.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Who carers?

As an anti-socialist, I can’t say I care. But illiberal hypocrisy noted! For the record, I was never a fan of elderly (No one) “care“(s) (enough, not their) “homes”!

What’s the life expectancy of a “care home” occupant?

What happened to family?

Care homes really are just further down the rabbit hole of dependence on the corporate state i.e. fascism!

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” ― Benito Mussolini

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

When you experience having to care for someone with dementia, you will understand what care homes are for.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Yep, caring for someone with dementia is very tough. But you haven’t rebutted his point.

Care homes are for when you’re done with your relative (or there are no relatives left).

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Well, he asked “what happened to family”. The answer is the mentally ill person drove their family crazy enough to deposit them in a care home, possibly after months or years of mental torture, so as to regain their own freedom, which our Anti_socialist seems to be so concerned about.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Behind every question lies another one. Why do we have such a high incidence of dementia in the first place?

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Fair Isle
Fair Isle
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

Because people are living for a long time largely through drugs that prolong their suffering. The human body was not designed to last forever, although many think that we are immortal

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Fair Isle

Anyone over the age of 50 is living on borrowed time. Fact.

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Javy
Javy
3 years ago
Reply to  Fair Isle

Maybe instead of banging on about vaccines and climate change people should be encouraged to think about where they’ll be spending eternity.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

So…for whatever reason they are done and off load the relative at a nursing home.

It’s a modern, perhaps more humane version of leaving a member of the tribe out in the woods to die.

You’re into calling a spade a spade, aren’t you?

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

leaving a member of the tribe out in the woods to die.

I honestly with all sincerity think that’s kinder than a care home.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Two things.

  1. What makes you think I haven’t?
  2. I don’t want to sound callous, but why does anyone want to live beyond an age they can’t wipe their own arse or feed themselves?
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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That’s the cut off point ! When ownership of your own arsely functions ceases its time for a weekend break in Switzerland ! 😬

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

I wouldn’t want to live if I couldn’t look after myself, so I would like a trip to Dignitas as an option.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

What happened to family?

A very good question.

Although, generally, I don’t think the answers provide conclusions that you might want them to.

Apart from some changes brought on by the industrial revolution, there has not been a great British tradition of an extended family all living together under one roof with the older generations being cared for by their children.

The many family histories that I have researched, clearly shows that, among the working poor at least, one parent usually returned to their children’s households after the death of their spouse. From there, with an extra mouth to feed and failing health, the next stop, if you were lucky, was the workhouse.

As for the gradual erosion of the traditional family structure, the main cause of course is the relaxation of divorce laws, working mothers, adultery & the erosion of shame across the culture …

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Mode RNA

I’ve been researching my family history for over 16 years which was mainly focussed in the East End of London and workhouses featured quite a lot. Silkweavers had a tough time of it due to cheaper imports and for many the workhouses were lifesavers, The surviving parent usually moved in with one of the children until they died.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Mode RNA

Well, industrial history has generated geographical divisions in families, which is a contributor to the absence of extended ones. People move to where the work is, without bringing the others with them.

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I totally agree. So many diseases today are the result of medication, vaccination and utter reliability on the state. Anyone who reads the history of modern medicine knows that disease and deterioration has increased since pharmaceuticals have been pushing drugs. Dr Atkins book in 1958 on his findings as a heart surgeon were so explosive that he lost his licence to practice and we lost a wonderful holistic doctor.

So many ailments and diseases can be avoided by diet, close loving families and curiosity in life. All these have been broken down by Government policies and bureaucratic control. We have lived in an age of fear and suppression whilst being told we have freedom of choice. We haven’t had that for nearly 150 years. Since the growth of vaccines and modern science that synthetically manufactures drugs.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago

Hancock could have challenged this data, as many have, by arguing that the vaccinated are more likely to be tested than the unvaccinated, making it difficult to compare the two

I’m being a bit thick – can someone explain why this argument may have legs when the data relates to per 100k vaxxed against per 100k un-vaxxed?

Last edited 3 years ago by Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

I could be wrong, but my assumption was that the unvaccinated would mostly only get tested if they actually had symptoms, whereas the bedwetters (who will virtually all be spiked) will often get tested for no particular reason – which would thereby skew the numbers.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Surely that would skew the numbers in the opposite direction. Jabbed would have lots of negative results because they test whenever the day has a ‘y’ in its name, while the unjabbed are less likely to dilute the positive results with a bunch of negatives.

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Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

I guess what they mean is the jabbed are testing themselves more so that will inevitably throw up more positives than us normal people who don’t do any tests. To my mind that still can’t explain why the positive rate amongst the jabbed is DOUBLE the unjabbed.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

This puzzles me too. Is the suggestion that the unjabbed are reporting their negative results, but not their positive ones? That seems unlikely.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

https://youtu.be/gSKfanmsUWY

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

I don’t think it does much. It may sway it slightly, a higher pos rate from the serial testers every time they’re ill. But the rate itself shouldn’t change that much.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

You are absolutely right, and the exact reverse is true anyway.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

Nurses, firefighters, and even police rallied against the vax mandates in Perth today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wSMBBzrzU

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

Those foolish and impressionable enough to clang pans at nothing because the telly told them to, are people easily programmed to see the issue of vaccination as straightforward and binary:

  • You’ve either had it already or you’re an anti-vaxxer and if you’re the latter you have no place working in healthcare and endangering patients.
  • The vaccines are safe and effective, and reduce transmission by 50%
  • This DVT in my leg would have happened anyway,
  • Of course you need boosters it’s just like the flu jab.

Thats what we’re dealing with.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Yes, pretty much so, except there is no DVT in my leg.

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Alkanet
Alkanet
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

You must have a better class of idiots than we have here in Hull. Ours believe in 80% reduction in both catching and transmitting, anything less in anti-vaxxer propaganda gleaned from Facebook, but the real clincher for them is the ‘less poorly than would have been otherwise’.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

Which is so hard to understand… Do you also find yourself explaining to people ad nauseum that you can’t give a disease to someone who has not had the injections and see how they react, and then inject them and give them the disease again and compare results. Besides which, I know of someone who had the third injection, caught covid and died in four days. That was a very successful reduction of symptoms, nicht wahr? 🤪

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Alkanet
Alkanet
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

It’s impossible to get anything through to these people at all, they just repeat the mantras they have memorised or put their fingers in their ears and sing lah lah lah or say that’s anti-vaxxer conspiracy from off Facebook or other non MSM online sites that they assume exist to feed false information to anti-social degenerates. It’s a waste of time.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  Alkanet

A few days ago, I was telling my double jabbed sister that, according to UKHSA data, the double jabbed over 40s are twice as likely to test positive for covid than the unjabbed. She replied :

“I don’t want to hear this”

I qualified the statement saying that it was not conspiracy theory but UK Gov data, but she just repeated :

“I don’t want to hear this”

She did not listen at the start and she’s still not listening, such is the power of the media …

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mmilne3812
mmilne3812
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

If anyone has a cheat sheet of responses to the typical nauseating arguments made by the majority of the public today around these issues I would appreciate it. I used to be able to articulate myself about this stuff, but now it’s difficult to maintain eye contact with these people so I just remain silent.

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B.F.Finlayson
B.F.Finlayson
3 years ago

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

Throughout this pre-planned political upheaval and economic transition, maximising profit opportunities for chums (ie Big Pharma or track and trace or PPE) and the re-establishing elite wealth & power (95% of all financial stimulus packages & QE supposedly designed to aid the plebs is gobbled up by the wealthiest 7%) have been key elements SARS-CoV-2, remember, is simply the pathetic sniffly excuse.
Following on from the core national utilities being sold off cheap in the 80s to multinational investors, the lack of staff within the health and care sectors will lead inevitably to long waiting lists, instability and co-ordinated calls for a better NHS – which of course will mean either ever more bloated management structure or privatisation.
Don’t look for logic in this government’s ’emergency’ decrees beyond the usual Tory pro-corporate agenda to place everything back in the hands of its main supporters, while maximising taxpayer subsidy in the process. Without this massive state funding or profit guarantees (such as nuclear power), most of the large private enterprises running key sectors would collapse – it’s money for jam (or rather their shareholders) while it lasts, and sod the leaking pipes…..
This isn’t laissez faire economics, if so I wouldn’t mind so much, it’s simply snout-in-the-trough cronyism and corruption at the taxpayer’s expense.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  B.F.Finlayson

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

I refuse to believe that Toby Young is this naive.

I’d like to know how he would qualify this among his myriad, cockups rather than planned conspiracy.

Toby : It makes sense if your objective is to manage the decline of the NHS. Geddit now?

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

My family and I closed the curtains and hid on Thursdays when the morons in the street came out to clap. 🦭

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

I walked the dog and laughed at them.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

There was never even the tiniest sound of clapping in the town where I live until the final date – not sure if the applause then was for the end of the silliness or not

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Star
Star
3 years ago

@Toby – Good article, but you don’t answer the question posed in the title. What actually are the authorities aiming at by threatening to sack tens of thousands of NHS staff for being unspiked?

People should ask themselves how an “overwhelm of the NHS” – currently a heavily promoted meme – would manifest. It would literally mean people being given fatal injections to “alleviate their suffering” – either in vehicles parked outside hospitals, or elsewhere – who would otherwise be given intensive care.

And who would be blamed? The disobedient and sceptical, that’s who. People who think and remember and exercise their brain cells, and who tend to distrust the uniform-wearers and office-holders who lie to them all the time, rather than reflexively jumping when they’re told to jump.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

A friend’s father in law sits on a heathcare trust in Scotland. In the first wave of the pandemic, their plan in the advent of being overwhelmed was to deny medical treatment to anyone aged over FIFTY!!!!

That’d be me next year. Never mind I am at my career (and therefore tax paying) peak and have 2 children to support. And elderly parents & in laws to support. Apparently I’m expendable.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I guess that’s triage.

Tax paying status perhaps should be a consideration. A bit creepy for me, but it’s not easy having to decide, which is why perhaps they were so desperate to avoid being in that position.

In any case, if it makes you feel any better, we are all expendable.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

🤔 who would I expend?

matt Hancock would be near the top of the list, gormless chimp that he is

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I’d include every MP and all those in the HoL. They are all surplus to requirements as the Civil Service run the country and none of them are elected.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

>anyone aged over FIFTY

EXCEPT State Mafia (key workers is the MSM spinword).

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rtaylor
rtaylor
3 years ago

Sheep Farm did a good piece on Matt Hancock. The sheeple pan clapping will go down for me just how powerful these satanists can control people with words (spells).

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  rtaylor

Did you see it in Scotland, @rtaylor? The local sh*tclowns there organised a clapfest (and I’m not talking about Edinburgh sex clubs) for Nicola Sturgeon’s 50th birthday.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Yet they banned firework displays while continuing to allow people to buy their own to use in whichever chaotic way suits them.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Wtaf?! Is Scotland North Korea now?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

That’s an insult to North Korea.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

And Lockdown 3.0 ended on 19 July 2021, Wee Twanky’s 51 st birthday …

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Toby Young isn’t giving Matt Hancock his due credit.

Matt Hancock wants to get rid of the unjabbed right away which is consistent with believing they are a threat to others. At least he’s logically consistent.

Javid wants to wait until the spring when they won’t be needed any more before giving them the figurative bullet in the head. Like a good Nazi who put the Jews to work in the concentration camps, Javid would like to get some labour out of his victims before he disposes of them.

That means Javid either, doesn’t give a toss if NHS patients are infected and killed by the unjabbed so long as the NHS isn’t “overwhelmed” or doesn’t really think the unjabbed are going to actually hurt anyone by being unjabbed.

Either way Javid is a psychopath. Hancock is merely a fanatic.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

“Overwhelm” is the plan.

The crackdown on disobedient NHS staff who don’t act as if they believe whatever rubbish they’re told plays to the idea of the “enemy within”.

This is also why numerous media articles are informing readers that there is more spike awareness (“vaccine hesitancy” as they call it) among non-whites than among whites, including among non-white NHS staff.

Former banking guy Sajid Javid talks as though he doesn’t believe a word he says, and as if he doesn’t even think about the garbage that he spews out. He’s more “obvious” in that respect even than Tony Blair.

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Liberty
Liberty
3 years ago

Forgotten Heroes

Two years on,
The clapping paused,
Those doorstep heroes,
Now ignored,
Cast aside,
No longer needed,
Unless the mandate,
They have heeded.
Two years of work,
Among the sick,
No longer heroes,
Without the prick.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

The “but you clapped for us” argument is easy to dismiss. “We” of course clapped only for those selfless heroes who want to get vaccinated, and the minority who gets sacked is bad apples and was not clapped for. There, I solved the moral dilemma for you.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

‘We’ clapped because we saw the other chimpanzees clapping.

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

When you say we, you can count me out.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

We know that one already: Whenever wokery collides with the real world, the solution is to fix history to prove that we were always at war with Eurasia.

Random conspiracy theory: Assuming the Chinese state propaganda is behind this hoped for suicide of its European betters, are they perhaps stupid enough to believe that 1984 is an instruction manual? Judging from past experiences with these guys, that wouldn’t surprise me.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Are we stupid enough to think that it was not ?

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

The government wants to collapse the NHS and other institutions so it’s hardly surprising. They despise the people and simply want our money and to impose the new world order. They don’t give a damn if people die or suffer.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

‘How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?’
That’s easy to explain. The clapping part was important propaganda, it helped convince the plebs that there really was a crisis and that the NHS was on the edge when in reality the hospitals were very quiet.
Once that had served its purpose it was time to move on with forcing the vaccines on people with a view to imposing the vaccine passports as the long term means of control.

My view is that the care homes are being intentionally stripped of unvaccinaed staff so as to cause a knock on crisis in the hospitals, fat b@astard Boris will claim this crisis is due to covid and impose the vax passports with that as his excuse.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

In a nutshell.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

‘Sense’ and ‘Wankok’ don’t belong in the same universe.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

The sheep clapped their pans because other sheep were clapping their pans, there was no free will involved.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?”
Because not many people, least of all the evil liars in charge, ever cared about the carers. They were always just another pawn in the game.

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chris-ds
chris-ds
3 years ago

Their lies are catching up with them

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Liberty
Liberty
3 years ago

When the churches were shut and our nation started worshipping the NHS a darkness descended over our land and a new world order was ushered in.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

I’m not so sure that the nation does worship the NHS.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“Then there’s the moral argument”

The ethical argument is not an afterthought – it’s a primary issue for anyone who opposes fascism and doesn’t line up with Mengele et al.

Anyone wearing a poppy and, at the same time, supporting snake-oil coercion is a fraudulent disgrace. That poppy stands for, amongst other things, the moral principles established to say ‘Never Again’.

Only scum like the Mekon – self-seeking moral empty vessels – would deny that fact.

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Mode RNA
Mode RNA
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The poppy also stands for my right to say you ought to read up on Mengele before throwing around just silly tropes in your weaponised language.

Here’s your free starter course :
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=37

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Liberty
Liberty
3 years ago

Discrimination in our history?
We know the outcome, it’s no mystery.
Divide society in parts,
That’s the way it always starts,
Just say that one side is unclean,
That has been the common theme,
From here the evil doesn’t halt,
They’ll say the deaths are all their fault,
Blame it on the other side,
That’s the way they will divide.
If we don’t speak for them today,
Soon these measures will come our way.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago

They were not heroes to start with that was a myth .They were women and blokes turning up for work often finding there was not much to do because the NHS had imploded due to its own paranoid hysteria I know …..i was one of the “bored” .As an excercise this was probably the most crass example of the nodding dog mentality of many citizens simply coipying someone else until it becomes a thing and here we are The NHS saved itself by doing bugger all for 6 months Just how many people do you think were in hospital with Covid just have a think a minute did you know anyone who wasnt 104

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago

Go on then sack them all in the middle of a recruitment crisis I fucking dare you !!!

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago

One good lawyer ,one solid test case and its after dinner speaking for Johnson .Even the dumbest of British people do not like to see people kicked when they are down .You cant turn heroes into villains just because you want to

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago

I was lead to believe that all the elderly, especially boarding in care homes, had been fully vaccinated.
Yet now they want the staff to also be vaccinated to protect* the same boarders that have already been “protected“*. Those boarders will soon receive a booster too.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

Make sense? None of this has ever made any sense if public health was the concern of the government. It isn’t, and these events only make sense when the destination is a very different one. Every single policy has inflicted overall harm on society deleterious to public health. Every one is another cull; death by a thousand cuts.

Of course, Johnson never had any qualms being treated by 100% unvaccinated staff when he was in hospital with the Covid.

But now the very same people who saved him can be ignominiously tossed onto the scrap heap because they won’t be cowed by the HM drug pushers and take an experimental drug that is not fit for purpose, causes definite mortal harm in some, and likely general harm in the long term.

Some thanks that is.

Unprincipled, two-faced wretches of leaders we have.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Make sense? Of course it does, if the plan is to cull us.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZZRCzK6BfaVW/

COVID JABS ARE PREMEDITATED FIRST DEGREE MURDER, SAYS DR. ZELENKO

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Everything makes sense, once you understand that the real main goal is to reduce the average life expectancy of us plebs to around the age of 65, and turn us into productive but sick and very profitable junkies from the cradle to that age.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

There is a TikTok video made by a German teenager going viral today, which sums up the absurdity of vaxx mandates and the 2G access policy nicely, it goes like this:
“So, we have a vaxxed person who might still have Corona currently, he may go into the disco/care for grandma, we have a recovered person who might still have Corona currently, he may go into the disco/care for grandma, and we have an unvaxxed and negatively tested person, who therefore pretty surely won’t have Corona currently, and he may NOT go into the disco/care for grandma.
Can someone please explain this to me?!

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

They’ll learn about money when they grow up!

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc&t=54s

Shows that ivermectin is highly effective at blocking replication of the virus.

It can be taken as a prophylactic and it costs 5pence a dose.

Give this WHO ‘essential’ medicine to all care home and NHS staff and the problem has gone.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

But it’s not ”a problem” to the Evil Ones – it’s the Plan.

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

They test for the flu since they’ve never isolated Covid-19. Which makes me wonder how they can tell there is a delta variant. They never isolated the virus but they use a test to show the damage of a solution does on monkey kidney cells then show the cellular debris as proof of the virus. So, they can use this method to claim an UNENDING! amount of variants. A lot of cancers and “viruses” are probably just different forms of parasites. Since the tests can’t differentiate between cold and flu and covid then doesn’t that mean ivermectin cures both the cold and the flu? Welcome to “they’ve been lying to us our entire lives about everything”. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

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Hugh_Manity
Hugh_Manity
3 years ago
Reply to  LonePatriot

I believe you are exactly correct. I have only recently come to the same conclusions quite recently after doing research. It seems that almost everything I was taught and believed, has been completely turned on it’s head. How deep does the rabbit hole go?

  1. The “virus” is nothing more than a computer generated simulation. It’s a mirage, it’s fake; it is an illusion precisely because it never was nor never will be, truly isolated in the traditional scientific sense;
  2. The PCR test which is nothing more than a glorified photocopier, is programmed to look for the very same computer generated sequence. It does so of course, along with a lot of other living or dead gene sequences. You then need to factor in all other potential errors that will arise when using this test. The results are therefore meaningless. It was never designed for clinical diagnosis;
  3. No “virus” has ever been shown scientifically (again using the standard and accepted scientific method) to cause ANY disease.

Voila! You now have the perfect method to terrorise and therefore subjugate the majority of the population in perpetuity. You can now impose the most totalitarian regime imaginable by simply manipulating the data and thus justify your actions.
The “vaccine” as most on here now realise, is nothing more than a device for the implementation of a bio-security state. If it happens to kill tens of thousands of people on the way, so much the better. In order for the plan to work effectively, EVERYONE including children need to be included.
You have got to hand it to these guys. What they have devised (after many historic rehearsals) is an almost foolproof method to bring about their dream of a New World Order.
This is the magnitude of these insane, pathological criminals we are dealing with.

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Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
3 years ago

Why is no-one taking legal action? The cynics may say the chances of success are doomed but there seems a pretty good prospect of victory based on vaccination not stopping transmission.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Beefbeefbeef

Where to find an unbiased court, though.

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barrywinn
barrywinn
3 years ago

This country is being destroyed from within. But the thing that needs answering is what do the people orchestrating this expect to gain?

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  barrywinn

Power? Personal reward and security? Immunity?

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

A great title to this article. Thank you. Instead of disappearing from public life this man has the gall to have one more go at telling us how to manage the endemic. He just cannot shut the f up.

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Shirespeed
Shirespeed
3 years ago

“There is no respectable argument left to keep this tool in the locker.”
Well apart from the fact that the injections don’t work, and efficacy falls below zero after 4-5 months, and we’ve almost reached the point where the injections are causing more problem than they solve, no. The only tool which needs keeping in the locker…

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

The Government is courting disaster when it treats NHS “heroes” as badly as it has historically treated genuine heroes in the Armed Services.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

400 replacement ‘nurses’ arriving every day. Thank you, France!

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

Never clapped, never will. The NHS needs breaking up. Those frontline staff who are well trained and stand by their oath to ‘do no harm’ need to create a smaller more efficient system that works for communities, not the government and their cronies. Until those trained medics realise they have been as abused as their patients I want nothing to do with the UK health care system

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Millions of people don’t understand how convoluted and bureaucratic the NHS actually is. Of course, it’s not the only large organisation that has a public face that is rather different compared with it’s internal structure.

Your choice of the term “UK health care system” is interesting, though, as there is such a system – which the NHS is only one part of. Loads of other, private ones, running in parallel with it – some medics actually split their time between them, which is unusual in normal private firms.

Sometimes, private places are on the same physical site as an NHS hospital, sometimes just round the corner. Some of them – notably dentists – do both jobs in the same room. I can remember shelling out more to the dentist to have a better choice of something, compared with the basic NHS options, e.g. Opticians are a bit like that also.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Some medics in other countries who tried to do this have had their licences revoked – just as they would for malpractice, only without a trial.

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

You might as well ask the opinion of a refuse management operative as take any notice of anything Hancock says. How is Hancock qualified to have an opinion on health matters, has he qualified as a doctor or biological scientist? I think the answer is no, and he was pretty useless and wrongly given the position of health secretary, as has been shown after he was sacked from that job. He should just shut up and let the government take advice from people who are properly equipped to give it. Unfortunately our government seem unable to appoint the right people to do this. As far as preventing the spread of disease in hospitals, the hospital environment should be improved to give adequate ventilation and separation between patients, but this would cost money and our current health secretary seems to prefer to sack a few front-line workers with a weak excuse. It seems he is no better than Hancock.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

Is it irony or just fucking stupidity that the deadline day for care home staff to be ‘vaccinated’ is chosen to be the day when the nation has a 2 minute silence to reflect on the real sacrifices made by our armed forces; in the pursuit of ensuring our liberty?

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

And the deadline for NHS staff to potentially lose their jobs if they remain unjabbed is 1 April!

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

And the choice of April Fool’s day is doubly ironic. However, a real sceptic/cynic might suggest that they are just following the ‘hype graph’, attempting to shift the refuseniks onto the other side, while they still can.

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Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

I do actually wonder if they are deliberately taking the piss by choosing 11 November.

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marlowejames
marlowejames
3 years ago

My wife an A&E emergency nurse practitioner who incidentally is unjabbed made this point: Our medical training is based upon clinical need and informed consent and at a stroke this Govt is choosing to blackmail the NHS medical staff who have a far greater understanding of clinical need than the general public and clearly understand informed consent. To eradicate both these pivotal tenets of our training in order to force us to take a vaccine that by their own admission doesn’t actually work (otherwise why the boosters?) is repugnant and morally incomprehensible. What if the NHS in the same way refused to treat the unvaccinated citing the very reasons used as justification to coerce NHS/care staff? It begs the question what are they so worried about considering there is a near 90% take up and perhaps the answer is to eliminate any semblance of a “control group” of unvaccinated – v – vaccinated. If 100% are vaccinated any future problems cannot be blamed on the vaccines as there will be no means to compare the vaccinated with the unvaccinated.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  marlowejames

This has been the wet dream of big pharma for decades.
Well said.

And now it’s all about this equation :-

Digital ID = control.

Nothing whatsoever to do with health.
The powers that be ain’t going to give up on their wet dream either.
Hold the Line.

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Johnny Dollar
Johnny Dollar
3 years ago

Where are the Nurses & Doctors & thier Dance routine musical films in empty wards now!? They Conned the public, Used the NHS staff & now they can be thrown under the bus….? what a plan

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

How convenient for The Grand Plan if this results in a lot more deaths of the useless elderly and sick and feeble? Because, no doubt, the Evil Ones have their own secure medical facilities, clinics, care homes, etc, and have no need to be concerned about those used by the dispensable hoi polloi.

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Inkwell9
Inkwell9
3 years ago

If the NHS organisers, that is from the top to the bottom, (I do not consider from my experience and knowledge, a single manager knows how to manage a bag of sweets divided by two, therefore do not deserve the title manager,) decided that the true total number of nurses currently employed and titled nurses, many are in fact no longer nurses. Large numbers are no more than pen pushers now. They have not worked as nurses on a ward for years (some of them), and during the pandemic were not allowed to even work on a normal ward (not covid) as they were no longer qualified or capable. A member of my family is a senior sister nurse, who has not worked as a nurse for more than ten years. Why is she still titled, nurse? Remove these ‘psuedo-nurse titled people’ and the huge shortage of nurses on wards is suddenly evident and extreme. It is an archaic way of paying people by their nursing rank and not their position of employment. A sight-impaired person could see what is wrong with the entire NHS. Throwing good money after bad is not the answer without complete reform. And anyone who argues for not privatising the NHS should take a look at how many services in their local area are now private. GPs now have surgeries that are private businesses paid for by the Government through the NHS. How many former NHS Dentist surgeries are now completely private? All the food preparation and cafe sales are private. Many carers on wards work for private companies. Many Hospital Porters are employed privately. Doctors using NHS services for private purposes. Etc. etc. etc. No arguments about the Doctors paying for the NHS services. They still remove services that should only be used for NHS patients. It reduces the availability of operating theatres, consulting rooms, treatment rooms and nurses from the NHS. Open your eyes everyone and see truly what our NHS has become under every government since the halcyon days of the late 1940s, 1950s and 1960s.

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