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Robert Peston Shocked by Lack of Debate on Vaccine Effectiveness – Before Caving to Critics and Apologising for Questioning Vaccine Effectiveness

by Will Jones
12 September 2021 3:51 PM

I wrote earlier in the week about the latest vaccine data from Public Health England (PHE) and how it shows that in the last month reported infection rates have been higher in the double vaccinated than in the unvaccinated for those aged 40-79 – up to 38% higher in some age bands.

Usually, data like this that casts the vaccines in a bad light is not reported by major media outlets – they tend to stick only to reporting on the press releases from actual studies rather than presenting implications from real-world data, which means they typically include whatever spin and ‘adjustments’ the researchers have added.

Unusually, this time Robert Peston decided to report on the new PHE data for ITV News. Inspired it seems by the fact that he has just had Covid despite being double-vaccinated, he wondered how many others had experienced similar, and was surprised to find in the data that it was actually very common.

As someone who has just got through Covid-19, I wondered how rare I am to have contracted it as a double vaxxed person. According to new data from the government’s Vaccine Surveillance Report, in the age group 40 to 79, the overwhelming majority of those infected have…

— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 11, 2021

He remarks: “I am surprised these statistics have received so little attention and have occasioned so little debate.”

Why is he surprised, though, when the fact is PHE has been publishing statistics like these for months showing that the infection rate in the vaccinated has been rising. Most journalists haven’t reported on them before, including Peston (who seems unaware of them, given that he is discovering this data for the first time), so why would they start now? Particularly when the vaccine surveillance report they come from specifically warns readers against using the raw data to estimate vaccine effectiveness and refers them to the published studies summarised higher up. Nothing to see here, is the message.

If Peston was unsure why other journalists weren’t reporting on this data, he soon found out, as the Twitterati piled on him for daring to cast the vaccines in a negative light. Many accused him of failing to recognise that this was just because the large majority of people over 40 were vaccinated, so of course they had more infections – which only made themselves look foolish as Peston was clearly quoting rates by vaccination status (the proportions of the vaccinated and unvaccinated who were infected), so this was accounted for. The statistics show the double vaccinated have higher rates of infection than the unvaccinated – that was his point.

Please retract this very poor Tweet. It is patently obvious that the very high % of vaccination means this is a mathematical inevitability. pic.twitter.com/IxuzIKV9Pi

— Anne Jackson (@AnneJackson18) September 11, 2021

However, despite being 100% correct, Peston was soon grovelling before the Twitterati, begging forgiveness for implying the vaccines were not up to the job.

I am wholeheartedly in favour of vaccination. But Covid, even for the vaccinated, is not a trivial illness. And it is also not trivial if the vaccinated population spreads Covid to the unvaccinated or the immuno suppressed. So what I hoped to do was show that even for a vaccinated population, mask wearing and social distancing are important. I am very very sorry if that implication was not clear enough. I have just recovered from Covid. So please accept this is my passionately held conviction

I am profoundly sad that some of you thought I was promoting an anti vax agenda here. As I said in this thread, the evidence on vaccination reducing SEVERE disease is clear and unambiguous. I am wholeheartedly in favour of vaccination. But Covid, even for the vaccinated, is… https://t.co/GSQPCrKB3T

— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 11, 2021

It’s a shame that when a television journalist finally covers the leakiness of the vaccines it’s because he wants to argue that we should continue with social distancing and mask-wearing to protect the immuno-compromised – a recipe, of course, for forever-restrictions. What Peston fails to mention is that the failure of the vaccines to prevent infection means that vaccine passports, vaccination of children, coerced vaccination, and any policy based on the idea that the vaccines protect others is fundamentally flawed and should be abandoned. Has the Government finally recognised this with its binning of vaccine passports?

Peston was right that this data should be much more widely reported on and debated. Perhaps if the press and broadcasters could return to objective reporting on vaccines rather than supinely parroting the official lines, essentially turning themselves into propaganda arms of the state, then we would have these reports and debates. That would certainly be a big improvement on the current circular absurdity, where the politicians dictate what messages people hear, then make policy based on what the public tell pollsters they want, and crucial debates are suppressed as supposedly being a danger to public health.

Tags: Public Health EnglandRobert PestonVaccineVaccine efficacy

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1984
1984
3 years ago

Preprint https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

Post-vaccination Cardiac Adverse Event rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence.

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1984
3 years ago
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apologies – I tried to edit/tidy up a paste from the prepublication it but timed out
162/m 12-15 yrs
90/m 16-17 years

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

It is incredible if journalists (like Peston) really are just finding this out now – what exactly do they do all day?

The same trend has been obvious from multiple countries for ages now: Israel, Iceland, Gibraltar, etc.

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KidFury
KidFury
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Seek and you shall find

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

They know that only one viewpoint is acceptable, and therefore generally avoid asking any questions which might demonstrate that the approved narrative is bollocks…

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

And it is such enormous ‘bollocks’ that it completely obscures the ability of the great unwashed to see that the utterly ridiculous pontifications of politicians regarding masks and ‘social distancing’ is insupportable from even a basic understanding of how things work.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

You have to wonder at their abilities or motives that it took them 18 months to discern what we did in a matter of days or a few weeks at most.

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Pavlov Bellwether
Pavlov Bellwether
3 years ago

“In a democracy, we have always had to worry about the ignorance of the uneducated. Today we have to worry about the ignorance of people with college degrees.” (Thomas Sowell)… Updated, useful information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“But Covid, even for the vaccinated, is not a trivial illness.”

This is the lie he ought to be apologising for. Obviously, for the vast, vast majority that is exactly what it is. But being a propagandist for elite lies means never having to say you’re sorry (except when you occasionally and unintentionally stray, momentarily, from the path of lies).

Joe’s COVID Experience, CNN’s Ivermectin Claims
Hateful Joe Rogan Is Spreading Misinformation and Must Be Stopped!

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark
  • For many people Covoid may be a trivial illness
  • FLCCC (and other Docs including GBD docs) have always right from the start said that Covid can be a terrible illnesss. They have said they are finding it harder to treat “delta” variant (including amongst the vaccinated)
  • Transparency Open Discussion Proportionality Risk Benefit Analysis and Evidence Based (to the best of our current knowledge) Interventions for all
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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  1984

Maybe that’s because there is a chance that a lot of cases described as Delta, are the result of vaccine damage?

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

‘there is a chance that a lot of cases described as Delta, are the result of vaccine damage?”
i dont know but i don’t mind telling you I am afraid of that possibility

“Maybe that’s because” maybe what’s because?

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Dr Kory had covid-19 & reported that he had to increase some of the early treatment dosages to successfully treat himself. As far as I’m aware, he is not jabbed.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago

If he’d gone on to look at table 5 in the same report, he’d have seen that between 1 February and 29 August, 61% of deaths from the dominant Delta variant were amongst the double vaccinated compared to just 28% amongst the unvaccinated. That should cause him to be concerned.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation (publishing.service.gov.uk)

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

No, this should cause you to be concerned that you don’t understand the prior probabilities.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago

It’s a shame that when a television journalist finally covers the leakiness of the vaccines it’s because he wants to argue that we should continue with social distancing and mask-wearing to protect the immuno-compromised – a recipe, of course, for forever-restrictions.

Peston’s comments also completely miss the point that muzzles and the ridiculously-monikered ‘social distancing’ absolutely do not reduce infections – something which is very clear in statistics from around the world. Perhaps someone should point it out to him, as he doesn’t seem to have done the research…

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

to be fair i think he had to say that about masks and social distancing as part of his “clarification” / rehabilitation

I would like to know what data he has examined with respect to protecting the “immuno-compromised” I kinda think this very important but not clearly defined group of people will be re-rising to the top of the hit parade

Concerned Caring Public Health Beaurocrat: What about the immunocompromised?
Socrates: What do you mean when you ask “what about the immunocompromised?”
Hippocrates: hold my beer!

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  1984

In the original vaccine trials there were no immunocompromised, no children, no very elderly, no pregnant women, basically they were trials done with healthy mid-age range people, so no one knows what will happen. Which is one of the reasons why they ought to stop and take stock.

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Nor were there any individuals who had a prior Sars-Cov-2 infection.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

I’m not sure if you noticed, but a few billion doses have been already administered since the original trials.

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

I’m not sure what your point is? Do you mean it’s acceptable to have a tiny control group and then give a jab to anyone and everyone who wasn’t in that control group, and just find out what happens along the way?
In the last nine months what studies or evidence have you read that makes you believe that nine months ago it wasn’t known if it was safe or efficacious for those people, and now is? Jabbing millions of people isn’t a gold standard controlled trial is it?
It’s not any kind of scientific trial!

Besides the shocking number of adverse events and deaths caused by the vaccine I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that they know anything more than they did.
Pfizers own latest safety update is pretty lacking in anything you might call evidence.
in relation to immunosuppressed it says, …’that they may have a diminished immune response to the covid vaccine’ (i.e it might not work)
in relation to pregnant women, ‘insufficient data to inform vaccine associated risk in pregnancy’. (i.e they don’t know)
it admits there is a risk particularly after the second dose of pericarditis and myocarditis. (But it’s only mild so let’s keep jabbing)
it states that adverse reactions, some serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the vaccine. ( No shit Sherlock)

As my mate would say, it’s arse about tit mate.

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Will
Will
3 years ago

Peston is a virtue signalling prick. He is too stupid to realise that, if the vaccines don’t stop infections, the only way we get back to normal is for as many people as possible to get the cold and develop natural immunity as possible, preferably while the sun is on their backs.

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refusenick
refusenick
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

As I am (a) not a moron, (b) not gullible, (c) not over 80 and in possession of serious comorbities, and (d) not generally susceptible to bs and lies, I am doing what i’ve been doing since the Diamond Princess data appeared: taking vitamin D and C supplements with zinc and quercitin, raging against the bs to anyone who is foolish enough to bring it up, and quietly waiting to contract the SARS Cov 2 virus and if I develop the disease recover from it.

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Al T
Al T
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

Years ago I saw Peston described as an arsehole who talks like a rollercoaster.

That, for me, was a perfect summary and I’ve seen no subsequent evidence to revise my view.

Sick of him and all his ilk who pretend disinterest but continuously engineer an agenda.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

You can always tell there’s either a cover-up and/or a disinformation/censorship campaign going on when journos get shut down for asking pertinent questions.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

I’m so glad he has got into hot water. It couldn’t happen to a nicer fellow.

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Will
Will
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

A particularly priggish old school friend quoted Peston’s bollocks about mask wearing. I informed him that my vulnerable family don’t need the world to hide their faces behind masks that don’t work. I think he unfriended me afterwards ,but he was always a self satisfied prick and then he became an academic…

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

Peston has been a leading light in the coronapanicker camp. Short of him having a damascene conversion, he is irredeemable.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

The whole comparing of whether hospitals have more vaccinated or unvaccinated people at the moment (even comparing to proportions in general pop) is useless because it says little about the vaccines as such. Rather, it says something about the progress of the epidemic.

The unvaccinated get infected comparatively SOONER (and some end up in the hospital), leading to the whole “pandemic of unvaccinated” impression. However, after the pool of unvaccinated has been depleted (because they’ve all either become naturally immunized or died), there will be proportionally more vaccinated in the hospital LATER on – because they will also become infected, especially as the vaccine’s effect wanes.

At that time triumphantly declaring that there is “pandemic of the vaccinated” or that the vaccine has a “negative efficacy” will be just as bs as the initial “pandemic of the unvaccinated” assessment. It will just mean that the unvaccinated are already through, while the vaccinated are still waiting for their turn. And when/if they get boosted, this wait shall be expanded further still. This is kinda the entire point of this semi-working vaccine, to delay. However, time may still be working in favor of the vaccinated because new treatments and better vaccines may be introduced to the market before their delayed infection – while the unvaccinated bear the brunt of the disease NOW.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

“semi-working vaccine” Evidence of it “semi working” appears hard to pin down.

I think we need to see a detailed analysis of outcomes broken down by vaxx status, age (in narrow bands) and general health, other illnesses etc. And this needs to be for people actually ill with covid so a diagnosis based on symptoms, not just a test. Good luck finding any such thing (and that’s quite deliberate as those running the show are not intereted in the truth).

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refusenick
refusenick
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

reality check: https://twitter.com/TheRustler83/status/1436583453315813379?s=20

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Ben McDonnell
Ben McDonnell
3 years ago
Reply to  refusenick

Brilliant shout, thank you

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Two points:

Each viral wave doesn’t propagate until everyone has had it (ie are immune or dead). The details of how each covid wave propagates is complex, and doesn’t relate to herd immunity (although eventually that becomes relevant).

There are signs currently that vaccination disrupts the ability of the body to produce long lasting protection following covid infection. The reasons for this aren’t clear, but it might be associated with Original Antigenic Sin and the limited covid proteins produced by vaccination.

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chris c
chris c
3 years ago
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IF it’s a vaccine its effect DOESN’T wane

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rtaylor
rtaylor
3 years ago

Peston is a coward and imbecile, only interested in fame.

Start with finding out how many people in the UK have committed suicide in 2020. Those figures are still not out yet, though we’re midway through Sept 2021.

Go and report on Epstein, Maxwell and the high finance hedge-fund managers in Mayfair. Its only a walk across Westminster and Green Park you little prick.

Then pray it will be enough for not saying anything for 18 months. Tide is turning and you know it.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jATXn4S0AtnV/

Vivian Fischer is an attorney and economist and partner of Reiner Fuellmich with the Berlin Corona Committee, an ad hoc mock government committee put together to investigate the whole Covid-19 situation. They started it thinking it would last 4 to 6 weeks and here they are now over one year later they are still learning new things every hearing. They hold hearings every Friday in Berlin and have expert witnesses on all aspects of the ongoing saga.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

The mainstream journalists are not going to wake up until either it’s too late or the people have risen up with a resounding F Off.
Why? They are MSM journalists (which was the height of journalistic careers) not because they were the best but because they are clever careerists. They cannot believe how bad it is because that makes a mockery of their entire lives and belief system, neither do they want to end their careers pointlessly given their belief system.
They will lie to themselves and to the public.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

It’s great that Peston did his job properly for a short time. It’s clear, though that he was leaned on and presumably has to get back on message for fear of losing his livelihood.

That’s a measure of what we are up against. It isn’t much but at least it is clear evidence of a concerted effort to suppress legitimate scrutiny and debate. That said, it won’t do much good unless taken up by a parliamentarian with the tenacity and integrity of Churchill in his wilderness years. And there aren’t many of them.

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Ben McDonnell
Ben McDonnell
3 years ago

Thank you for a great article which was just crying our to be written.

The PHE vaccines status report explains away the apparent tendency of the vaccine to cause people between 40 and 79 to test +ve by putting it down to “a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people” (p13) but mysteriously the substantial lower rate in vaccinated people under 40 is NOT put down to those same reasons, and is unquestioned. You’d think they would want to take this further, and they obviously have no idea where to begin.

Just as we have no idea where exactly in the environment viruses gather, how they are transmitted, nor why they are there in the first place and what would happen to humankind if there weren’t any (Zero Coviders please note).

I’ve seen plenty of info on the net about how the vaccine cannot make your PCR test positive, but I am much more concerned about whether it can make it negative, and noone seems to be writing about this.

PCR obviously cannot test for a systemic infection as it only tests samples from mucous membranes which are external to the body.

If vaccines did somehow cause a negative test, this alone could nullify any amount of the apparent effectiveness of vaccines that other PHE tables indicate, as it would be masking underlying PCR positives in the vaccinated patients, (although to be fair on p13 PHE do caution against using their results to prove vaccine effectiveness, a caution which the MSM and twitterati gayly abandon)

According to worldometer and ourworldindata there are today a million +ve tests/cases in the UK, of whom only 0.8% are in hospital. Obvioulsy PCR is a pretty useless test for diagnosing serious illness. So what does it test, and what other information are we allowed to see about the PCR +ve patients?

We know so little, and what we do know still doesn’t make sense..

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Peston and his ilk in the media will face trial and will be sentenced accordingly, as happened post Nazi Germany to journalists who facilitated genocide, as confirmed by senior lawyer Anna De Buisseret in this interview. There is nowhere to hide for these people, they are so guilty and they have committed the most serious of all crimes – crimes against humanity.

★ Anna De Buisseret: All The Law Is On Our Side… There Will Be A Second Nuremburg Trial
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DD5iNSznxNnN/

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Mezzo18
Mezzo18
3 years ago

I have a friend who lives in a sheltered accommodation complex. Apparently there are people in there who haven’t been out of their tiny flats for 18 months. Now they’re going out and about and are catching Covid and dropping like flies. What did they think was going to happen?! Their immune systems are completely shot.

They have all stayed in and ‘shielded’ because dear Boris told them too. They really thought it was for their own good. It wasn’t of course, it was to keep them out of hospital. There’s room for them now!

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago

The 95% effectiveness of vaccines are based on vaccinating 20,000 people and seeing how many get infected. This showed that 5% of the vaccinated got covid and so looks impressive. But if you look at the background rate of covid it as been 1% for much of the pandemic peaking at 2% in January. So vaccination as not been as effective as the vaccine pushers claim, in fact the 95% effectiveness is the relative risk reduction used by the vaccine producers the absolute risk reduction is 1%. Lastly if covid vaccines were as effective as claimed why is the covid rate TEN times what it was last year this time.

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

I he’s only just discovered that Covid rates in the “vaccinated” are higher than in the unvaccinated, he’s pig-ignorant: not a good admission from a supposed journalist.

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Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
3 years ago

“The statistics show the double vaccinated have higher rates of infection than the unvaccinated – that was his point.”
Yawn….
Most people who have been double jabbed are the over 40s, and those that have not been jabbed are the under 30s.
It is well known that people in their 60s who have been double jabbed still have more chance of catching Covid that the under 30s who have not been jabbed. The point is that the symptoms are less likely to be severe if you are over 60 and have been double jabbed.
Statistics should have a hazard warning attached.

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago

and it’s about to get worse for the vaccoids….

Tickerguy (Karl Denninger) is starting to see evidence of subsets of ADE, called VEI (vaccine enhanced infection) appear in the US

Basically, the vaccines (they’re not vaccines) enhance infection from new/different coronaviruses and the infected person crashes much harder than normal.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243548

Tickerguy got a 7 day ban on Twatter and has asked to get this out as much as possible.

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chaos
chaos
3 years ago

if you recieve a million quid or so in pay.. you would also back down.. I would.. money talks..

At least Peston’s testicles momentarily got manly and growled a bit…

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
3 years ago

What is a journalist? One who keeps journals has evolved into one who disseminates information to serve the public interest. So he is not a journalist but rather a public relations sap who got a slap on the hand for a flash of clarity – and boo boo – that hurt – close the eyes and bend over…

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Zoomer@14
Zoomer@14
3 years ago

Its a pity he crumpled…and if if really believed, why would an ‘retract’ instruction mean anything?
I know its easy on social media to be a bully and demand retractions, but he’s said it now. Who is this woman…his ‘Thought Police’?
Ann Jackson…? Another scientist?

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barrywinn
barrywinn
3 years ago

And this man call’s himself a ‘journalist’! What a waste of space.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago

I’m surprised a supposed investigative journalist didn’t realise that the current vaccine doesn’t stop you catching Covid.

That’s the power of propaganda

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago

Coward! Disgusting toadie without an ounce of principle.

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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

A new puritanical age. Don’t bend the knee to them. Stand up to bullies and speak your mind. If you don’t then free speech has died.

Show them up as the authoritarian brown shirts they are. There aren’t that many of them, there are a few hardcore and their scared disciples.

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