One of the few places that publishes daily information on the infection rate in vaccinated and unvaccinated people is the ZOE Covid Symptom study. Above is today’s estimate for the U.K., based on the data submitted by users through the ZOE app, and it shows something very striking. While the infection rate in vaccinated people has been trending well below that in the unvaccinated for months, in the last two weeks the rate in the vaccinated has surged while that in the unvaccinated has plateaued.
We don’t know what is causing this. The vaccinated group is older than the unvaccinated group, which will skew its infection rate lower as older age groups have a lower infection rate anyway (see below). The currently slowing growth in the younger age groups and the increasing growth in the older, more vaccinated age groups is likely to be a reflection of the same underlying infection patterns as those in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
One factor may be that younger people are now being vaccinated (see below), though equally infection rates have been rising fast in those aged 50-60, who have been vaccinated for some time.
It’s worth noting that the ZOE graph includes everyone who’s had at least one vaccine dose, not just the fully vaccinated. Nonetheless, the sharp rise among the vaccinated at the same time as infections in the unvaccinated plateau is certainly a striking trend, and may be further evidence that the vaccines do not prevent infection as well as many studies have suggested.
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Unless both groups are tested in exactly the same manner, the picture is muddled to say the least.
I would have thought that any comparative ‘infection’ data like this would be unreliable at best.
The cognitive bias in the injected against the notion that they could still become ‘infected’ will surely mean that the ‘infection’ figures for the pricked are under-reported, and could well be significantly so.
After all, if you’d been banging on about getting the injections, you’d feel a bit of a charlie to be two-finger-typing your ‘infection’ suspicions into the Zoe app.
I still think the proximity of the ‘delta’ nonsense to mass injection campaigns is a coincidence too far. What if bodily cells stressed by the direct or indirect introduction of cytotoxic spike protein nano-particles excrete junk that corresponds to this delta crap?
You might say we have the delta blues.
And this Zoe app – aside from the risks inherent in self-certifying anything, unless it’s users are declaring actual PCR results (which themselves aren’t necessarily definitive), the rest is hopelessly vague. I mean, come on – the symptoms are so generic as to be utterly meaningless.
I call bag o’ shite on this one.
Entirely depends on what you mean by an infection. If this is just positive PCR test results, then there will be equal rates of false positives between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. If the PCR test has too high a cycle threshold then it may be just finding residual virus DNA in the vaccinated. Natural immunity among the unvaccinated prevents infection more quickly than the first or second jab which kicks in after about 2 weeks. If it is folk reporting mild symptoms it could just be confused with colds or hayfever (and then false positive or high Ct tests). All of the above not relevant to reported vaccine status.
I spent some very close time with a vaccinated person at the weekend and I got headaches soon after and a cough.. which I shook off.. hay fever? Covid19? A random quick acting bug? Or something of greater concern?
I had a shedder over and had a similar response this week
Prob the immune system clearing out the toxins
The absolute numbers are pretty meaningless as they depend on the number of people who are vaccinated which is increasing all the time. Even if the risk of getting Covid was completely unchanged between vaxx and non-vaxx you would expect to see a graph similar to this as the rate of vaccinated to unvaccinated in the population increased. More to the point is the positivity ratio which is later in the same video (about 2 mins 48 secs).
Where does ZOE publish the graphs used in this article? They have included similar in the “news and research” blog posts but there is nothing like this on their data page.
I think it will be a case of wait and see. Is this the calm before the storm? Will Geert Vanden Bossche’s predictions of more virulent mutations come to pass creating a wall of walking bioweapons rather than a wall of immunity. Will the powers that be ever concede that him and others who are raising these concerns were actually right to be concerned if not 100% accurate?
If this data trend continues, one thing is sure: how are they going to justify to the vaccinated that they are in fact not only more at risk of catching the infection, but of dying of it too.
Interesting times ahead.
I dont think it will ever be admitted or accepted, for a couple of reasons. First is it will probably massively increase anti-vax. Second, it will signal that this entire thing has been for nothing, and that the only way is to letthe virus pass through the population.
It may get too hot to bury, but I think they are already doing a good job is supressing most anti-vax information
I believe Geert Vanden Boosch believes that in time just like antibiotics have become weakened due to mass consumption covid vaccines will do the same if we vaccinate everyone. This is why we don’t mass vaccinate for other diseases. I believe the government know the vaccines aren’t as effective as once claimed so are relaxing lockdown to allow more people to become infected and immune this summer rather than winter when hospitals will be overwhelmed. Yes we are living in interesting times and no one can predict what’s going to happen but things are changing!
Hard to interpret the specific graphs in the article.
But it does appear to be the previously observed affect in action that as people are experimentally vaccinated they become more likely to test positive in the first 3 weeks or so after the first innoculation. And it is the young who are getting first innoculated at the moment and so are the major affected group. This does seem to have a smaller knock on affect also on others who have already been experimentally vaccinated or haven’t been vaccinated (in particularly perhaps those in the household of those first innoculated such as children in the family)
It would be interesting to know if the large increases in the younger age groups are higher in those who have been experimentally vaccinated vs those who haven’t been vaccinated. I suspect this is the case, but the data will be witheld from us I suspect.
This does seem to be feeding through into higher covid labelled deaths albeit these are still at very low levels. But the 7 day average of English covid labelled hospital deaths is currently about 16 per day and increasing slowly. At the same time in 2020 (8th July 2020)… Read more »
Agreed!
The other thing I would like to see, but never will, is how many of the people having bad reactions to the “vaccine” had previously had covid
I made an FOI request for cycle threshold. here’s the response:
“NHS England has assessed your communication as a request under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000. As such, your request is being dealt with under the terms of the FOI Act, and has been allocated the following reference number: FOI- 2107-1499xxx.
Your exact request was:
“Please can you supply the cycle threshold used in the PCR testing of suspected coronavirus cases. Please can you supply the data from March 2020 to present day.”
NHS England does not hold information in relation to your request.
NHS England does not hold information in relation to cycle rate thresholds as these will be different for each assay and each lab and will have been determined by the Validation and Verification specifically undertaken in the laboratory under their Quality Management System (QMS) Policy.
Public Health England (PHE) have published further information on cycle threshold values available here.
It may help if we first explain that NHS England is not the same as ‘the NHS in England’. The NHS in England is not a single organisation but is made up of a range of organisations such as Hospitals, Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) and Ambulance Trusts. NHS England is… Read more »
Does the Drosden PCR test perhaps search for a part of the spike protein? The same part manufactured by vaccinated subjects? If so – lock downs cannot ever end until the public revolts against the medical tyrrany.
Following my first dose of Astra Zeneca vaccine (I am 68 years old), I contracted the Indian variant. I had it about 4 to 5 weeks prior to my second vaccine. It was like a very bad cold or hay fever with chain sneezing, a temperature, a very bad headache and a sore throat. It lasted about 4 or 5 days and then was over. I was never incapacitated at all and never sought medical intervention. I logged it with the Zoe App.
How did you know which variant it was? Were you tested?
Did he:
a) use his electron microscope.
b) believe what some quack told him?
When he can tell us the precise difference between the ‘Indian variant’ and the ‘South African variant’ then he may be able to start to convince me.
I thought a Million USD was being offered to find the original virus in the first place. Any winners yet?
How many people had Covid 18,17,16,etc,etc?
I’m positive that me and Mrs FP had C18.
So much for the vaccine ‘lowering’ transmission!
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We do know what is causing it. The majority of people are vaccinated and they are the outgoing risk takers.
The cautious are being cautious.
What we are seeing now is the effect of the 80/20 split along vaccine lines and the types of personality that fall into those categories.
It’s the classic case of correlation not being causation and of confounding factors – including unlocking society.
The vaccines were never designed to reduce cases. They reduce severity to the levels “enjoyed” naturally by the younger population.
Two or three months of this and the thing will have burned itself out.
The problem with that analysis, it seems to me, is that infection rates in the vaxed are rising very quickly as the rates of vax diminish very quickly. I hope you are right though because all my extended family are vaxed and I have a nasty feeling we are going to see savage levels of ADE as vitamin D levels fall in the autumn.
As with all vaccines. None are 100% effective; some are as low as 40% (pneumonia).
Yes we do. ADE, pathogenic priming and original antigenic sin. The former we have been warning about for months.
This is only the beginning. It may be the case that the “vaccinated” need to lockdown forever or the common cold or flu will finish them off.
And when that doesn’t happen will you seek treatment for your catastrophisation problem?
There are too many unknown variables and too little raw data here to make any conclusions.
There is something strange about that first chart though. Why does the “unvaccinated” line have a wide confidence range but the “vaccinated” confidence range is extremely tight? Is there some reason why the “unvaccinated” line has such low confidence? Or could it be that there is almost no one using the Zoe app who has refused the “vaccines* so the sample is tiny. I expect most Zoe users are the types that would sell their own mother to get a “vaccine”. 15% of adults and close to 100% of children have still not been vaccinated so the confidence range contrast shouldn’t be that large.
This is just modelled garbage again isn’t it? Are they trying to extrapolate daily case numbers based on relatively small but biased and politically convenient data sets again.
I had the Zoe app when this scam first started, but I deleted it very soon after when I realised it was for THEM, not us.
Yes there is a reason. There are four times as many people in one category than the other – which leads to wider error bars.
This question does not pertain to this post but as I reckon it will be the usual people who are ‘in the ken’ reading this can anyone here help me? I was digging around on the WHO vigiacess database last week and I thought I would have heard about this somewhere somehow… but it’s the first I’ve come across it. Does anyone know why there might be a reason why their adverse reaction database has registered adverse reactions specifically to ‘covid-19 vaccines’ as far back as 2014? 36 in 2019, 8 in 2018 and one every year previously until 2014. I’m really confuse by this.
Terrible typing – retrospective apologies.
It seems to me that there is no way for a clinician or a PCR test to distinguish between a genuine case of Covid-19 and a case of a vaccinated person becoming ill due to being injected with spike proteins. If anyone can tell me whether there is an actual way, then I will be happy to listen and even change my mind.
Will.
you are a smart man.
Could it be that the “vaccination” doesn’t work?
Keep crunching the numbers and get back when you figure that out.
Until they do a breakdown by vaccine TYPE we wont get a proper answer to this.
It wouldnt be in the least surprising if most of the breakthrough infections are AstraZenica as we know it has much worse efficacy against infection than the mRNAs.
Zoe also has a very liberal definition of vaccinated – 1 dose and short time span (i think 8 days) so lots of those are in fact unvaccinated.
I cant work out why they combined 1st and 2nd dose onto the same graph for this – makes it meaningless.
Have you seen the news from Israel?
Rough count, 0.1% of fans wearing masks tonight in the stadium, if that. Seems the majority of people don’t want to keep wearing them…
I wonder why the government doesn’t want people to congregate and share ideas?!
they don’t work worth a fuck.I wear one but under the nose.
Around 90% of adults have now had at least one dose of vaccine, nonetheless the unvaccinated 10% still account for two thirds of recorded cases, as the graph shows
This unvaccinated fraction is declining so, even though they are the most vulnerable to infection (as they are) the number of new cases among them tails off, as seen. Meanwhile there is a growing number of partially vaccinated young. They remain vulnerable to (almost always very mild) infection and lockdown is easing, driving circulation of the virus. Hence the rising tally of cases among the ‘vaccinated’, whose numbers are anyway growing.
The one factor I haven’t taken into account are children (I’m not sure how they are represented in ZOE)… but, with this one possible confounder, the patterns seen are entirely compatible with the view of vaccines being highly effective.
IMO transmission in younger age groups, which having out-paced that in older age groups earlier this Spring – they mix more – is now plateauing as transmission is permeating older age groups. There is no need to involve vaccines – unless many of the old start dying because they don’t work! We may not find that out for sure until autumn…. I can’t help feel we know the answer to that one…..but let’s hope they do work.
Maybe a relatively large proportion of those unvaccinated have already had covid (and so turned down the jab) and therefore have better immunity. I’d put myself in that category.
fair.
If that was the case, they wouldn’t be catching it again so much.
Another ZOE plot show you are much more likely to get covid19 if you are not vaccinated and of course much less likley once you are vaccinated:
What does “get covid mean”?
Sniffle cough lemsip whiskey and lemon bed back to normal in a few days
A 1 in 16,000 death sentence – unless you’re young. That raises to 1 in 1000 roughly if you fail to avoid the disease and catch it.
Nonsense. QCovid gives me a 1/18,000 chance of fatality – if I even catch it – based on figures from 2020, when prevalence was higher and treatment less advanced (but, in 2021, STILL no ivermectin, just sayin’….)
And though I’d like to call myself “young”, I’m not.
The objective of the vaccination campaign is to try to ensure 100% of new cases are in the vaccinated group. If (and its a big if) this ever occurs, the vaxxers have done it, They are getting closer, as I will show: Talking figures from the article on the main site:
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/07/07/infections-surge-among-the-vaccinated-while-those-in-the-unvaccinated-plateau-data-shows/
The plot shows ~34k new cases, 22k are in vaccinated group, i.e. 65%, when that hits 100% the vaxxers have done it. It’s not far off, the vaxxers are hoping to close this gap ASAP, it’s a race they appear to be winning. They hope that close to 100% of covid cases occur in the vaccinated group as cases in vaccinated people are usually mild and require no hospital treatment.
Cases in unvaccinated people are usually mild and require no hospital treatment. The question is what cases in the vaccinated V the unvaccinated will look like in November…
No. 22k are in the UNvaccinated group.
Tim Spector himself discusses the plot, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQH4Kme9mQ
He didn’t really go into that much detail. His assertion regards masks was surprising too. Overall, no hyperbole. I’m really interested to see deaths per case regards vaccinated vs unvaccinated as initial numbers suggest the vaccinated are more likely to die.
We know the deaths per case regards unvaccinated , when we look at deaths per case a year and a bit ago before vaccine was invented. We had 1000 deaths a day then. Yesterday, we had 33 deaths. Go figure, chump.
Spector and ZOE are controlled opposition. Irrelevant.
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https://rumble.com/vjb4i5-reiner-fuellmich-explains-the-class-action-law-suit-filed-on-june-21st-2021.html
Well Will, it all depends on the Rt-PCR tests doesn’t it?
We know CDC in the US have adjusted the PCR test CT values for injected people, to produce better results for them versus non-injected. Are we seriously thinking the UK hasn’t doesn’t the same? That would be particularly naive I think.
So any comparison is pretty useless. But haveing said all that, it is significant that the injected are now showing such a rate of increase. But as we know the injection does not create immunity or reduce transmission, why are we surprised?
Its fraud and the people responsible for producing fraudulent test results should be sued in a court of law.
A while back there was a video showing how cases in most countries took off at the same time as the vaccination programs got going. My guess is that’s what’s now being seen in the under 40’s who are lining up to take the shot.