Lockdown 2.0 to End in Tiers
Boris is expected to announce his post-lockdown Covid plans on Monday. The Telegraph has the details.
England’s national lockdown will end on Dec 2nd but be replaced by a new harsher three-tier system, Boris Johnson will announce on Monday.
More areas will be placed into the higher tiers than before the lockdown after warnings from SAGE scientists that the previous levels of restrictions were not strong enough and a tougher regional approach was needed.
The Telegraph can also reveal that everywhere from factories and offices to towns and cities will be blitzed with mass testing if cases start to rise, under plans to be set out this week.
The Prime Minister’s “Covid winter plan” is expected to place more areas into the higher tiers to ensure further restrictions are not needed.
While some local measures will be similar to those in the previous system, some tiers will be strengthened to safeguard the gains made during the national lockdown.
Last night it emerged that the 10pm curfew for restaurants and pubs – which has been severely criticised by Tory MPs – is likely to be extended to 11pm when the tiers are published on Monday.
Final details will be signed off at a meeting of the Cabinet today. Details of the new tougher tiers system, which comes into force on Dec 3rd, will be announced on Monday, with the final decision on which areas are in which tiers on Thursday. The plan will set out how people will be able to spend their Christmas, but ministers have made clear that the festive season will be different to normal, with some restrictions expected to remain in place.
This is sad news indeed, not least as it suggests the lockdown logic of the likes of Professor Ferguson is still dominating Downing Street thinking, with small relief to be taken from the curfew on bars being moved to 11pm. Happily it looks like Boris can expect stiff resistance from the Conservative back benches.
Boris Johnson’s plans for a new toughened three-tiered system to replace the national lockdown next week is under threat after 70 Conservative MPs threatened to veto the plans in Parliament. The Tory MPs on Saturday wrote to the Prime Minister saying they could not support further new restrictions if the Government does not publish an economic analysis of the impact of the restrictions… The number of signatories to the letter is more than enough than the 43 Tory MPs to defeat the Government’s 85-strong working majority in the Commons if Labour votes against the plans when they are put to MPs next week.
Referring to the previous tiered system of restrictions, which were not as onerous as the ones set to be proposed this week, the Conservative MPs told Mr Johnson: “The tiered restrictions approach in principle attempts to link virus prevalence with measures to tackle it, but it’s vital we remember always that even the tiered system of restrictions infringes deeply upon people’s lives with huge health and economic costs.”
It is also worth listening to the Planet Normal podcast interview with Steve Baker, Vice-Char of the Covid Recovery group, on the prospects of a back bench rebellion.
Stop Press: A Telegraph survey has found that one in four will break the rules at Christmas.
There is No Asymptomatic Spread
A new paper in Nature has struck a blow against the Covid orthodoxy of asymptomatic spread. Following the lockdown, the city government of Wuhan conducted a city-wide nucleic acid screening for SARS-CoV-2. It was carried out on an impressive scale:
There were 10,652,513 eligible people aged ≥6 years in Wuhan (94.1% of the total population). The nucleic acid screening was completed in 19 days (from May 14th, 2020 to Jun 1st, 2020), and tested a total of 9,899,828 persons from the 10,652,513 eligible people (participation rate, 92.9%). Of the 9899,828 participants, 9,865,404 had no previous diagnosis of COVID-19, and 34,424 were recovered COVID-19 patients.
The results make good reading for lockdown sceptics.
The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases was very low, and there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic positive persons to traced close contacts. There were no asymptomatic positive cases in 96.4% of the residential communities.
Previous studies have shown that asymptomatic individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus were infectious, and might subsequently become symptomatic. Compared with symptomatic patients, asymptomatic infected persons generally have low quantity of viral loads and a short duration of viral shedding, which decrease the transmission risk of SARS-CoV-2. In the present study, virus culture was carried out on samples from asymptomatic positive cases, and found no viable SARS-CoV-2 virus. All close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases tested negative, indicating that the asymptomatic positive cases detected in this study were unlikely to be infectious.
The report in Nature is a bit technical, but very much worth reading in full.
Lockdown Sceptics readers will recall that Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at the World Health Organisation, said the same thing about asymptomatic transmission at a WHO press conference on June 8th:
Question: It’s a question about asymptomatic transmission, if I may. I know the WHO’s previously said there are no documented cases of this. We had a story out of Singapore saying that at least half of the new cases they are seeing have no symptoms and I’m wondering whether its possible this has a bigger role than the WHO initially thought in propagating the pandemic.
Dr Maria Van Kerkhove: We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.
The comment drew sharp criticism at the time, and the WHO swiftly explained that there had been a “misunderstanding”. We will look out for a further update.
Stop Press: The Centre for Disease Control might also want to take a look at these results. They have just released new guidance saying that “Most SARS-CoV-2 infections are spread by people without symptoms“. Not in Wuhan they weren’t.
Covid Immunity is for the Long Haul
Another good news study. This time on the long-term immune responses to Covid. Details in Nature:
The immune system’s memory of the new coronavirus lingers for at least six months in most people. Sporadic accounts of coronavirus reinfection and reports of rapidly declining antibody levels have raised concerns that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 could dwindle within weeks of recovery from infection. Shane Crotty at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California and his colleagues analysed markers of the immune response in blood samples from 185 people who had a range of COVID-19 symptoms; 41 study participants were followed for at least 6 months. The team found that participants’ immune responses varied widely. But several components of immune memory of SARS-CoV-2 tended to persist for at least 6 months.
The study has not been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal but it is the most comprehensive long-range study on immune memory to the coronavirus to date. The New York Times has further details.
Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.
“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease, for many years,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology who co-led the new study.
The research squares with findings from elsewhere.
The findings are consistent with encouraging evidence emerging from other labs. Researchers at the University of Washington, led by the immunologist Marion Pepper, had earlier shown that certain “memory” cells that were produced following infection with the coronavirus persist for at least three months in the body.
A study published last week also found that people who have recovered from COVID-19 have powerful and protective killer immune cells even when antibodies are not detectable.
This is happy news, but it came as no surprise to Dr Yeadon, commenting on the NYT article:
Genuinely good news, but not a surprise. Per the article, those recovered from SARS still have vigorous T-cell responses 17y later. Humans are good at becoming immune to this virus. That’s great. That’s why vaccines work yet will be needed by so few.
Twitter, @MichaelYeadon3 17 Nov 8.47 pm
The NYT article is worth reading in full.
You can read the study here.
Protests Spreading Faster than the Virus
Hundreds came out to march against the lockdown yesterday in Bournemouth, Liverpool, Basildon and Hyde Park. The Daily Mail has a full report.
At least 22 people have today been arrested after anti-lockdown protesters clashed with police when hundreds took to the streets in an ongoing fight against coronavirus restrictions.
Rallies were held in Bournemouth, London and Liverpool, where a growing crowd chanted “freedom” as they marched through the city centre in the rain this afternoon.
The group in Merseyside were shepherded by police, who later moved in to make arrests, with some demonstrators seen being pepper sprayed as they grappled with officers on the ground. It is thought that the protest began at 1pm and started with around 100 people gathered on Church Street before the group grew significantly in size.
At least 13 people were arrested during the demonstration in Liverpool, Merseyside Police confirmed. Among those detained was a 36 year-old man from Kirkby, who was arrested on suspicion of assault of an emergency worker after an officer was pushed to the chest on Church Street.
Rallies were also held in London, where the Metropolitan Police confirmed four were arrested for breach of COVID-19 regulations after gathering at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park.
Officers confirmed those detained remained in custody this afternoon while the “remainder of the crowd have been dispersed”.
Michael Walsh, of the Central West Command Unit, said: “We take reports of breaches of COVID-19 restrictions seriously. We are still in a pandemic and it is extremely selfish of a small minority of people to carry on without regard for the regulations.”
There were similar scenes on the south coast, with social distancing nowhere to be seen as activists marched through the seaside town of Bournemouth, holding placards reading “freedom” and “the pandemic is over”.
As street protests are repeatedly being met with arrests and dispersal orders, here’s an idea from a reader, previously posted in the comments, but worth flagging here following yesterday’s item.
Shall we set in motion “unarrestable” protests?
Say, on 1/12/20, i.e. before they renew lockdown from December 2nd, an en masse sit in in cars outside of parliament hooting horns.
Or in the queues caused by extra London cycle lanes.
Or on motorways (a go-slow, like when they tried to increase fuel duty).
Or even everyone, everywhere in the country wherever they are but at a given time (will have to be co-ordinated) all hooting their horns.
A bit like the gilets jaune protests but no-one is breaking the law
On the subject of protests, another reader has asked an interesting question.
Just curious in light of all the news about retailers going into administration. Why do you think they are not taking out full-page adverts in the major newspapers to complain about the lockdown?
Locally, various retail-park retailers including the Range, Poundland and B&M are still open and crammed to the gunwales with COVID-19-transmitting (ahem) people bringing their kids for a trip out, while TK Maxx, Debenhams and Ikea are closed.
Why have clothes and shoes shops been closed? Are they not selling essential items? All it’s done is force people who need ‘essential’ coats and shoes into the food retailers. It feels like the major non-food retailers are somehow benefitting from the enforced lockdown. How? Why? And why are the other retailers not complaining loudly?
Your comments welcomed! Sending this to my MP who will ignore it.
If anyone has thoughts on this, and feels like stepping in for the MP, do please get in touch here.
Round-Up
- “The infantilising of the population over Covid is both medieval and immoral” – Janet Daley, in the Telegraph, tackling the infantilism lurking beneath the suggestion of a lockdown trade-off for family gatherings at Christmas
- “Our lives belong to us, not the state. It’s morally wrong for government control freaks to tell us what can do at Christmas” – The reliably brilliant Lord Sumption in the Mail on Sunday
- “Ellen Townsend – how lockdown harms children” – Laura Dodsworth talks to Professor Ellen Townsend of the Self-Harm Research Group at the University of Nottingham on the impact of lockdown on children and young people. Latest edition of her excellent podcast Freethinking
- “The real coronavirus scandal is not corruption. It’s shocking state failure” – The Telegraph’s Juliet Samuel in fine form on the saga of PPE procurement
- “Almost 200,000 COVID-19 tests are going unused every day” – New update from the Daily Mail on the ongoing palaver that is “test, test, test”
- “The blizzard of bogus journalism on Covid” – Blistering piece on the blog of the AIER. Includes recent reporting on the Covid cases in supermarkets in its sights
- “Covid updates with Dr Tim Spector” – Excellent interview with Dr Tim Spector of King’s College, London, covering the data collected from his ZOE App and how the actual data differs from Government Reporting. A Must Watch on The Energy Blueprint podcast. Transcript available here
- “Talk of ‘beating Covid’ was always nonsense” – Matthew Parris in The Times calling for humility in the debate about Covid
- “Not wearing a mask in New York – even on a jog – is akin to sporting a MAGA cap” – Dispiriting story from Rosie Hopegood in the Telegraph on the state of maskism and other Covid restrictions in the Big Apple
- “Rishi Sunak plans raid on tax relief for higher earners” – A hint of things to come, reported in The Times
- “Most Covid curbs should stay after national shutdown ends or infections will ‘rebound’, Professor Lockdown Neil Ferguson warns” – Our favourite epidemiologist carries on banging his drum
- “The Covid Cult” – Watch Tom Woods attack “the greatest public health fiasco in the history of the world”. Includes an entertaining analysis of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of wearing masks
- “More than a QUARTER of students ‘self-censor’ their opinions because they fear their university’s woke cancel culture ” – A Mail on Sunday poll that’s a sad indictment of the state of free speech in our universities
- “Ministers need a winter care plan for mental health that’s more than just hot air” – Bryony Gordon in the Telegraph on the need for more action to protect mental health
- “Nationwide vaccination could end social distancing in April” – Analysis in the Spectator from James Forsyth. We can only hope that old fashioned common sense will do the job first
- “It doesn’t matter how you vote… the Greens always win – as Britain looks more and more like the old East Germany” – Latest from the formidable Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday
- “The ridiculous cost of Britain’s cycle lane mayhem: Just one new biker is attracted for every £5,000 spent on empty bikeways” – A cost benefit analysis of the Government’s bike-centred transport policy
- “Big Brother fury as the government uses Twitter as a propaganda tool to attack the Mail’s coronavirus analysis” – The Department of Health and Social care attacks Ross Clark’s excellent Covid myth-buster on Twitter and sparks a ferocious backlash
- Watch a clip from Toby on Maajid Nawaz’s show on LBC yesterday explaining why censoring anti-vaxxers is a bad idea
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one song today: “Don’t fence me in” by Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today we’re flagging up an item from the Society books section of the Guardian: “How ‘woke’ became the word of our era.”
But what is ‘woke’? Most online dictionaries define it as a perceived awareness of inequality and other forms of injustice that are normally racial in nature. A few describe the term as characterising people who are merely ‘with it’– as in, every cool kid you knew at uni. And increasingly, these days, many use it as a pejorative term to describe someone who is a slave to identity politics. How can all three possibly be the same? It’s a sensibility, a quality, a state of being, a feeling backed up by a set of actions, sometimes all these things at once.
I can’t think of a word that reflects the era as well as ‘woke’ does. There is its relative newness (it was born and grew up alongside social media), its popularity as a hashtag and its political implications and activist leanings. There’s also its journey from black culture to the internet and mainstream news. All theses qualities are extremely particular to this moment.
Confession: I dislike the word (especially since 2016, when MTV declared the term the new “on fleek”.) Ironic, considering I am textbook woke. I identified with what it was but cringe at what it has come to mean, and bristle at the way the word is now weaponised. The disparity compels me to interrogate the term and its evolution. As Susan Sontag writes in Notes on ‘Camp’, which inspired this essay, “no one who wholeheartedly shares in a given sensibility can analyse it; he can only, whatever his intention, exhibit it. To name a sensibility, to draw its contours and to recount its history, requires a deep sympathy modified by revulsion.” So let’s consider what woke is, and what it isn’t…
If woke gobbledegook is the sort of thing you enjoy, this article is most definitely worth reading in full.
Alternatively, read John Redwood’s latest post on his blog: “Politically correct speaking.”
Stop Press: Another literary giant has fallen foul of woke standards. This time its Ted Hughes. The British Library has flagged the poet as implicated in the slave trade thanks to the actions of a distant ancestor.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you want be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now approaching 700,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern and over 100 church leaders are JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.
Albert Camus
We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
Carl Sagan
Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
Marcus Aurelius
Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt the Younger, House of Commons 18 November 1783
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
Check out this bit from Simon Evans’s set at Comedy Unleashed. He performed the same set at the Free Speech Union’s comedy night, but this was the following day – on November 4th, our last day of freedom. Should raise a smile.
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AMERICASTOFFS 3
Seems like Sidney Powell has been kicked off the Trump legal team, so not sure where that leaves us! No indication yet why she was fired but her allegation of financial corruption in the Georgia Republican establishment might have been the proximate cause I think. No suggestion as yet that she was overstating the fraud allegations. Giuliani could hardly have stated them more clearly himself.
bozo must be a Jeremy Vine fan.
Remember Clair who wants her 14 children and grandchildren from three households for Xmas lunch ?
Bozo has caved, she could even invite sourpus Sally and her cat even though she called Clair ‘selfish’ on the air.
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Cornoavirus jokes – a vaccine against the tiresome doomsayers :
https://www.fatherly.com/play/best-coronavirus-jokes/
(Yup, they’re that bad. The jokes I mean.)
#5 ‘my mom said I’d never get anywhere staying in bed. Look at me now ma ! I’m saving the world !🌞
AMERICACASTOFFS 2
This week is going to be a helluva week.
If Sidney Powell is right the Trump Team are going to be dropping law bombs every day giving proof of the election steal.
We shall see how powerful those bombs are…
I expect them to be pretty powerful. I may be wrong. If I’m wrong we should all be weeping and wailing cos we will be entering on a very dark time.
The absurdists (Sopel, Kurcher and the rest of the gang) in the huge overpaid and overstaffed BBC US news operation (itself a kind of foreign interference in their electoral process) still maintain there was no fraud but appear to have undertaken no investigative work themselves. Is it true, BBC, that Dominion had its origins in Venezuelan electoral malpractice? Is it true a member of Dominion’s board (a US Admiral) is also a member of Biden’s “transition team”? Is it true the offices of Dominion in Toronto share floorspace with one of the many front organisations controlled by the Hungarianamericanpjilanthropist and are in a building occupied by a large number of Far Left/XR-type organisations? Isn’t that a bit odd. And isn’t it a bit odd… Read more »
The ideal solution for me would be a partition of each country into free and controlled sectors. Let the zombies have their lifelong technocratic dystopian hell, they totally deserve it. Anyone who wears a mask is as complicit in the destruction of our society as the politicians who gave the order to do so. Their compliance is a crime against humanity, and must be severely punished.
We did not make any distinction between the German people and the Nazi regime during WW2. A similarly brutal approach now seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Cheery soul aren’t you Richard?
War tends to bring out the worst in people.
Civil War brings out the very worst.
Pro rata the death toll in the English and American civil wars were those countries highest.
I was musing on that the other day. Should it be a north-south divide? No, that would be unfair to the small minority of sensible Scots. East-West divide I think with the specifics decided on the toss of a coin. A civilised population transfer to follow, and referenda after ten years to see if either side wants to join the other or maintain the divide. We’d probably all be a lot happier, unless Guardian readers found Hampstead is on the wrong side of the line.
I’d like to stay in the west side of this “Berlin” then, please.
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Extra! Extra! Read all about it! PM Boris Johnson is not your friend, he is a bought and paid Globalist. Surprise!
Johnson is one of the worst “leaders” of any state in human history. In 2020 he has added treason and murder to his already extremely lengthy list of vices. If he is not stopped by the British people, in 2021 genocide will go on the list.
In France it is illegal to fail to aid someone in distress.
Why has Macron not been arrested ?
I have done so many criminal things this weekend (and before), that I feel that I have to come here to confess.
I promise to make amends for my actions, I’m so sorry I’ve committed the following crimes, hopefully, in the spirit of the law, you (my peers) will forgive me…
I visited my parents with my baby child on Thursday evening. I had a few bottles of beer with my Dad whilst my Mother played with her grandchild. She agreed that if she dies because of this, then it was a risk worth taking, but if the worse does happen, then I think we should prosecute my 8-month old (and me) for manslaughter, just to be on the safe side. During the day on Thursday, it rained. Mrs Beefheart was meant to “go for a walk” in a nearby park “at the same time as some other friends with babies”. Because it rained so much, I said something along the lines of “Well, fuck it. Just invite them round here”. They all attended. Our babies played together like normal humans. I went to a small independent cafe to get sandwiches and cakes which we all enjoyed. Tonight, I went… Read more »
Absolutely disgusting 🙂
Is that all you can say? It’s f.ing evil and criminal. Almost … almost …. NORMAL!
There won’t be enough room in the courts for all us murdering law breakers! I can confess to several indoor meet up with friends, in their and my home. We talked and ate food like normal people but surely someone will die because of this!!
lets all keep it up
They’re not using courts, they’re doing it by phone. Trust me, I know.
I too have sinned. My friend came to my house for lunch. We are not in a bubble – or rather she is in loads as she says – and I am in none. We embraced, ate, talked and laughed.
Thereafter we took a long and entirely frivolous journey in the gathering dusk to an ancient Iceni hillfort where we indulged in a spot of anti establishment witchcraft.
I’m cool with being prosecuted for this. Try me!
Well considering all the people who make up the rules were probably having drug-fuelled Eyes Wide Shut orgies all weekend, I wouldn’t lose any sleep.
I too confess. My son’s girlfriend has been here since Friday and will be staying tonight and tomorrow (she has learned from her flatmate that their boiler has packed up). So, instead of packing her off to her cold flat she will be here. Please don’t tell Hancock and co.
Also, please don`t tell him that last night 8 of us gathered in a house in the village and all sat round a big table and got pissed. Which was great.
The guy in the flat opposite me had his mum visit as usual on Saturday and the girl downstairs was in and out with her boyfriend all day long.
Should I denounce them on Monday or wait until I’m offered a cash incentive ?
Oh hell! I feel sooooo guilty! We had friends here all day and ate a communal meal in the evening. I feel I have to confess for the good of my soul and cleanse us of the foul deed before the god of Con-vid.
Anti-lockdown and anti-mask protests have (finally) begun in NYC:
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1330604524139122689?s=19
The Edward Bernays reference shows that these people have done their homework and aren’t fooled one bit.
JFC… NBC Sunday Night News is 100% fear porn about, “family gatherings are superspreader events,” and shaming vid clips of crisis actors.
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/the-coronavirus-act-2020/?fbclid=IwAR2jsmXQ0X99t1ZURXuDsk6TILlZGOY6Ud8EYkfNwkPbFszhIevfb__Zj1I
The People’s Brexit – The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void.
Any legal eagles here?
I’ve just found some swallow shit on the floor, they come in here sometimes in the summer if I leave the doors open and usually have to be removed with a landing net (and much solicitude). It reminded me that we have been swallowing shit since March.
AMERICACASTOFFS
All the news that Sopel, Maitlis, Kay, Zurcher and Bryant don’t think is fit to print…
The ever reliable Rebel News (google on them) has a great report on Dominion’s offices in Toronto. They just so happen to share the same floor of offices with the Tides Foundation controlled by the Hungarianamericanphilanthropistwhosenamewecantmentionevenhere! Not just that but the whole building is occupied by Far Left/XR-style organisations pursuing the Great Reset agenda.
Can’t think who you mean but he deserves a sore arse.. so much hidden in plain sight.
Dominion got their name taken off the physical nameplate but it’s still on the digital entry call system! Lol This is great investigative work by Rebel News of the sort treated with disdain by the BBC which is now just a copy machine for PR statements by organisations they like – Dominion obviously being one of their favourites,
Tipping point?
Jupiter is just entering Capricorn and will play out in a different way during the fast and direct transit it will take from now throughout the winter, until 5th April 2021 and will give a strong and clear message with the potential for big structural changes on every level of life.
Jupiter usually transits one sign every year but transits in Capricorn will span two years. The significance of this is that the transits of Jupiter in Capricorn began this year, just at the end of March which was the beginning of the major lockdown and restrictions for the world.
https://oraclelife.co.uk/2020/11/22/jupiter-into-capricorn-revealing-the-truth-reform-of-our-world-view/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new-blog-post
Not sure about this astrology stuff but it can’t be any less accurate than Pantsdown modelling.
Congratulations to Jonathan Barr for a solid issue and a wonderful lead headline.
Claus von Stauffenberg required for SAGE meeting.
Didn’t do history, but just looked – sounds like the man for the job except he needs to get it right this time.
The Colonel who attempted to kill Hitler in the Wolf’s Lair in 1944
The Sun reporting that even in tier 2, pubs will have to serve ‘substantial meals’ in order to reopen. So that’s going to mean the decimation of pubs. What’s left of them. But, hey, if it ‘saves one life’, right?
This is utterly sick, especially when there is so much evidence that they play host to so little transmission. Where’s the science? There isn’t any, but those tunnel-visioned, obsessive, socially primitive, disgusting SAGE freaks clearly now know that they can say whatever they like and there will no consequences for them.
Why we are letting a Communist (Susan Michie), someone for whom going into a restaurant during the summer (Catherine Noakes) was the ‘scariest thing they’d done’ for a while and Gabriel Scally, who disgustingly emotionally blackmailed us the other day by saying that relatives would die if we had the temerity to enjoy Christmas, ruin our lives? Do you think any of them give a rat’s arse about any of us? How on earth can we get rid of these people, because they are clearly not letting up any time soon.
I won’t be going to any pubs or restaurants or shops until they get rid of face nappies.
And all the rest of the corona bollocks
And how long will that take? There are so many people who are quite okay with wearing those things and indeed seem to even take pleasure out of it.
yer I dunno. years.
ffs
lol
I have noticed that also. Even our greatvleader does not require them outside of shops, but you see people in the street, heads held high, presenting their bacteria filled mask to the world. Where do they get off. Literally they seem to love wearing it.
After most pubs bent over backwards to be ‘covid safe’ then got f*cked over anyway they might not bother next time if that means attracting more custom.
I’m sure the types of people who enjoy going to pubs are generally more lockdown sceptical than the general population, so it would be a great idea to drop the muzzle nonsense.
Not sure I believe that. Not if they are going to extend the curfew. In any case it’s easy to work round. In the good old days (ha) when pubs closed at 2pm on Sundays you couldn’t get served booze after 2pm in a restaurant even as they could still serve food. So we’d all order enough bottles of wine before 2pm to keep us going until they could ‘open’ again at 7pm.
I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong.
you could order alcohol after 5 pm could you not?
To be fair they are placing all their cards on the table. No attempt is being made to conceal the sadistic brutality of the regulations or the direction in which we are headed.
This is a test for all of us. Just how obvious does the evil of government have to be before people rebel?
Yes. Maybe it’s a good thing. People must have a breaking point. As more and evidence emerges that this whole thing is vastly over the top, Hancock and his mates in SAGE continue to up the ante regardless. It surely can’t go on forever or end well for them.
Millions will do whatever they are told, including surrendering their DNA to the control of the technocrats. The question is will there be enough who refuse the vaccine to bring the whole thing crashing down?
Big question. However, if only a few million acquiesce, that will be enough to seed the poisoned ‘gene pool’ far and wide. Only the parasites will be left purebred, after a couple of generations. London march Sat. 28th. Time is short.
I think pubs focused primarily on beer sales are seen as part of traditional British culture and thus the enemy of globalism, so they are singled out for special treatment. Successive government’s have let pubs die – taxing them to the hilt while allowing globalist supermarkets to generate huge profits from low tax alcohol sales.
I suspect as well that they know people socialise there and so pubs could be places where dissent against the government could develop. Hence they want them gone…
Also, how many of those SAGE weirdos frequent pubs?
I would love to talk to Twitty after 6 pints of Old Rosie, “yer its all bollocks, we made it all up, its just a cold virus hahahaha you muppets, get us another pint in!”
Actually 6 pints of old Rosie, it would probably kill him, two pints of Girlsberg and he would be mullahed.
Haha, no way could Witty handle six pints of Old Rosie! Six sips maybe…
All the seditious nattering that goes on in hair salons and tattoo parlours.
Bars are a central part of every culture where alcohol is legal, not just Britain.
Indeed but every culture has different attitudes. In Scandinavia the local taverns were destroyed, taken over by the state and turned into deliberately unlovely places. Something similar took place in the UK. In 1917 the state took over pubs in the Carlisle area where much of the weapons manufacturing industry was located. The idea was to improve productivity by discouraging drinking. The pubs were still in state ownership in the 1970s!
First they came for the smokers.
I was thinking about that the other day. That’s probably where a line was crossed – preventing people using a perfectly legal product in a social setting. I’ve been a non smoker for 30 years now but I think that was a line that shouldn’t have been crossed. Liberty is so important, we shouldn’t throw it away.
We said at the time that pubs closing would be seen as collateral damage and then become the main target.
They stole the, “substantive food,” thing from Cuomo in New York.
The American Revolution began in colonial taverns.
As Lord Sumption says, subjection has no place in law, so what is a substantial meal. It will vary for each person, depending on what their appetite is, and is therefore not enforceable. If our local pubs, of which we have some very old and beautiful establishments, hold their own, I will do what itvtakes to keep them open. However, those that want to go over the top, bark orders and make life miserable, can go, unfortunately, the way the nappied wish them to go.
These people are the useful idiots of our day.They are being used by the money power and will be discarded when no longer useful.
I play Sainsbury Delivery Driver Poker:
1 ex black cab driver
1 ex professional boxer
1 ex DJ
1 ex chef
1 ex market stall owner
1 ex events manager
Anyone want to add?
Well I worked for Tesco for about 7 months during this, I’m a current (not yet ex) Licensed Aircraft Engineer hanging on to my current profession by my fingernails…
Let’s hope you will be able to return, very soon, to your profession.
Thanks, I hope so too. I was due to return, so I resigned from the Tesco job, only for Bozo to announce the second lockdown and furlough extension a few days later, grr!
This is what is driving me mad! Messing with people’s lives, they have no idea what horrors they are inflicting (or don’t care).
Absolutely, I nearly went insane when I heard the last announcement. Hey ho, I think we’re going to win in the end.
Of course they don’t care.
Hope we succeed in our struggle and you get your fingernails back!
1 furloughed pub manager
Wuhan study of asymptomatics:
I confess I’ve not read the Nature paper so it may cover this but….
“[out of] 9899,828 participants, 9,865,404 had no previous diagnosis of COVID-19, and 34,424 were recovered COVID-19 patients.”
What do those numbers tell us about the IFR and CFR in Wuhan? In particular, is he 34,424 recovered patients consistent with previously reported deaths in Wuhan? And is the implied fatality rate similar to either ours, or to a not really very deadly disease?
I suppose I’m hoping someone will do the numbers and tell us the Chinese were lying from the word go. Or that they’ve just confirmed beyond doubt that this is not a dangerous disease and we should unlock forthwith.
Anybody?
I asked the same question below! Doesn’t stack to me, roughly 3K deaths (widely reported, probably a minimum) on 34K infections or whatever is a huge IFR. This was screening of the pretty much everyone, so it looks to me like the screening that delivered just 34K that had had it is nonsense. Unless they made up those 3K of deaths….. I don’t believe that (my gut tells me more deaths if anything not less) but if so that would have been one serious gas lighting exercise!
IFR is even lower due to the faulty diagnosis of Covid. Unless they were doing x rays and or full post mortems
I wonder if the never ending restrictions, upcoming ‘freedom’ pass and inevitable mandatory vaccinations will get more people along to the protest in London on Saturday 28th.
Surely we must be getting to the point where a few more people wake up and realise this is the new normal and the virus is the like never ending ‘war on terror’. The technocratic elite have created a hybrid 1984 / Brave New World society and population have completely fallen for it.
We are getting to the point of no return if we allow them to get away with ‘freedom passes’. The police have sold their souls to the devil months ago and would happily enforce any restrictions.
I respect anyone for protesting. However I still think it’s more valid to picket your MP’s constituency office on surgery day (generally a Friday). They can very much ignore you in London and on most Friday’s and weekends no MP is in Westminster. Protests happen every day of the week in Westminster and they have zero impact. The only one that did was the Poll tax riots. None the less. Protest is important
Agree targeting MP’s is a good idea but I wonder if the MPs bother going to their constituency offices anymore? No doubt if there are a few people outside their local MPs offices the police would quickly be down threatening to make arrests under the terrorism act or similar. Small groups are easier to arrest.
I get the impression that MPs really can’t stop this global agenda which Boris is obviously pushing forwards, he answers to people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates. Only if people come out in great numbers worldwide can the agenda be halted.
Find out where they live and peacefully protest outside their homes.
The Danes surrounded their parliament for 9 days straight. On the ball! Mandatory anything and everything…postponed only, as it begins to look like.
See this link to Mark Harper & Steve Baker’s letter to BJ threatening no support unless the government produce regional cost & benefit reports.
https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1330501208025559044?s=09
It is good, but it feels VERY late to be asking so politely for evidence and risk assessments.
To give one example, when the government closed all schools earlier this year, it did so despite evidence that children where not vulnerable, and that schools were not a transmission risk.
Given all that we now know, and what was obvious at the time- the deaths, the misery caused by this government’s policies, mainly designed to protect our crap health service from having to treat ill people, is writing a letter a proportionate response?
Until these 70 MPs resign the whip, I will not be impressed.
Steve Baker usually backs down and supports the government, wouldn’t have any faith in him now.
Me too. Given the fuss these people gave May over Brexit, is this the best they can do, given the scale of this?
I fully expect Boris to go before the next election. The new leader will rehash Johnson’s vacous Build Back Better message.
I will not be conned by this party again
Apologies for the bitterness 🙂
The fact that the majority of deaths were in care homes in March/April and the fact they have delayed treatment for people until the late stages (go home and isolate), it is very late indeed. The management choices for this have resulted in mass deaths.
Dustin Broadbery: The Controlled Demolition of Society
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/11/dustin-broadbery-the-controlled-demolition-of-society/
Worth a read.
More about the Wuhan study with 10 million people published in Nature
“Quite. 10M A4 sheets of consent forms would reach at least 6.5km high!”
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1330443456557309952
“The most troublesome part of the paper is ethics: “…and tested a total of 9,899,828 persons from the 10,652,513 eligible people (participation rate, 92.9%).” Later on it says that they provided written or verbal (!) consent.The journal Nature should be questioned for publishing this.”
https://twitter.com/corinthiantom/status/1330441808317468678
Woman injured in covid-19 vaccine trial seeks funding for medical and other expenses.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/medical-and-child-care-expenses?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet
so she wants money to pay for spinal surgery that was planned all along? Hmm.
Is this for western media only and part of psy-op or real?In the video, don’t see much of SD despite the masks
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1330556402033713152
Today: Shanghai International Airport- two airport cargo employees test positive for Covid 19. Entire airport shuts down- no one can leave- 100,000 travelers are isolated and quarantined, waiting
The thin white line cannot hold followed by scrambling through the shrubbery🌳🌿Excellent
Equally interesting is the second vid of some goons being forced to leave by people with the courage of their convictions and a determination not to allow their liberty to be confiscated without a fight. No matter that your insides are turning to water, don’t back down unless or until you are physically overpowered. Not much doubt about which way they voted.
Yes, I found it very heartening that even a country with a police state infrastructure like China could not hold them back.
Did anyone spot that in the new tier proposals, restrictions are to last for 6 months in tiers 1 and 3?!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/31/what-covid-tier-my-area-lockdown-map-check-postcode/
Apparently there were 1953 cases in my area over the last 7 days. Where on earth did they find them?! Guess we’ll end up in tier 4 at this rate 🙁
Who trusts their local authorities to not be in the higher than necessary tier just on the off chance. Remember what they did for London and Essex ? Bouncing them into tier 2 for no valid reason other than dosh.
behind a paywall but to quote ConstantBees from this morning
We are in
‘an abusive relationship with the government’
This means that the three weeks to ‘flatten the curve’ will have turned into over a year by then? Seriously, I am utterly fucking sick of this nonsense now. Why are people not hopping mad? Furious? Where is there self respect? A bunch of aloof, thoroughly weird, power-mad psycopaths are literally ruining their lives and probably having a great laugh at the same time while they are doing it.
I feel like even the sight of a masked freak walking outside nowhere near anybody else might be enough to set me off next time.
Sadiq Khan warns Covid pandemic has created an ‘existential threat’ to central London because commuters will choose to work in ‘satellite’ offices in suburbs in future Sadiq Khan (inset) has admitted that the change in working life brought about by the pandemic ‘keeps him awake at night’, particularly the fear that more commuters will choose to work in the suburbs rather than the city. It comes amid surveys which have suggested that people who have worked from home since March would now be reluctant to go back to their long commutes (a busy underground station this summer, right) into packed city centres. Mr Khan said: ‘I think we’ve got to accept the fact that there is potentially an existential threat to central London as we know it. Are there going to be satellite-type offices in outer London because people may not want to work from home but in a co-working space in zone 5 or zone 4?’ Pictured left: A normally-bustling Regent Street stands deserted during England’s second lockdown.
This air-headed buffoon was apparently voted for by 1,310,143 Londoners (57% of voters). And he has enthusiastically joined in gratuitously trashing the city he was put in charge of.
Be interesting to… Read more »
Probably increase his vote, sadly ☹️
Translation: “It was suicude guv, I weren’t no part of no gang what murdered ‘im like what you said. Honest! I tried to revive ‘im – that’s why me fingerprints is all over ‘is throat!”
That this man is in control of anything bigger than a Hornby train set is deeply shaming of the entire country not just London.
Most of those comfortably WFH will be outside London. The voters will be unemployed baristas, restaurant workers, cleaners, hair stylists and taxi drivers.
There’s a typo:
Sadiq Khan (inset)
should read
Sadiq Khan (insult)
Sadist Khant.
His only way to a save London is to go full on sceptic now and call a return to arms amongst the commuting masses.
Otherwise he’ll go down with it.
No chance of Khan going sceptic. He’s a self-serving, utter moron.
Oh my I feel so sorry for him. It’s not liked he campaigned for tougher restrictions on London or anything is it? I mean, he did his best to keep it all open…
Excellent piece on PCR and Cycle Thresholds:
“So if I take something and multiply it through 32 turns of said crank I have four billion times whatever I started with.
But this presumes that “whatever I had” is in fact a sample from where I think I got it, not from somewhere else, and which arose only from what I believe the source was and was not collected by random chance from something floating around in the air or in the person in question. In other words if the original “thing” I multiplied that 32 times was garbage then what I get out the other end is a steaming pile of garbage! I cannot make something that doesn’t actually exist happen by multiplying it; I can only amplify an actual signal. If the signal is indistinguishable from chance then what I have done is produce junk.”
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240724
By the way, his maths on the situation, given he’s a quant like mind blogging on finance for over a decade, is excellent.
If we assume low end 30% pre existing immunity to reduce the overall susceptible population. IFRs across the various age cohorts (CDC numbers attached) and multiply these by the populations within each, you arrive at a number you’d need to infect to reach herd immunity (R0 at suppression levels). However, it also gives you a number of deaths likely under such a scenario and its incredibly low. Especially if you consider the suggestion of the Great Barrington Declaration and shield the vulnerable.
This also backs up the idea from the likes of Gupta and Henegen that we should have been fully open in the Summer months, not tested or quarantined any students or youth. Kept schools open and just focused on providing support for teachers who were vulnerable to work from home. It also provides a strong counter to the zealots’ claim that Eat Out To Help Out was the reason we are in another casedemic.
If you still think there is just incompetence at the heart of this after reading through what are quite simple calculations… Read more »
This is a problem for all the C-19 vaccines.They thought C-19 was less prone to mutations. Not according to this new article. Just like in influensa virus there is,according to this new article, evidence that in C-19 there will be also a antigenic drift. There has never been a human coronavirus vaccine before. Why should a new one be much different from our substandard flu vaccine? https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.19.389916v1
Natural deletions in the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein drive antibody escape “However, we describe an evolutionary pattern of recurrent deletions at four antigenic sites in the spike glycoprotein. Deletions abolish binding of a reported neutralizing antibody. Circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants are continually exploring genetic and antigenic space via deletion in individual patients and at global scales. In viruses where substitutions are relatively infrequent, deletions represent a mechanism to drive rapid evolution, potentially promoting antigenic drift.”
So – in layman’s terms, vaccines will be either ineffective, or will work for a short time only. Thereafter, new vaccines will need to be developed on a continuous basis?
They will end up like flu vaccine.Moderate effect at best and prone to drift in the antigen.But side effects from the C-19 vaccine could be different from flu vaccine.
New Normal Gleichschaltung, or: The Storming of the Reichstag Building on 29 August, 2020 – Consent Factory, Inc.
BBC is reporting that several of the 15 anti lockdown protesters arrested in Liverpool on Saturday have been de-arrested* and issued with fines.
They do not say whether this was a form of plea bargaining or if the duty sergeant pointed out that offences under the Coronovirus regulations are not arrestable.
*de-arresting is a thing.
And now they can refuse to pay the fines presumably. Nice work.
I wonder if their DNA profiles and fingerprints were destroyed?
So is that definite – offences under the Coronovirus regs are not arrestable ?
I had my first proper confrontation with a maskoid today.
It’s 10:00 and I’m on the local retail park as the stores open. First stop is a chain coffee shop to get my first caffeine fix of the day. Enter shop and I’m the only one in there with the barista. A young lad in his 20s who promptly asks me if I have a mask. My immediate reply is that, “I’m exempt”. He nods at me and starts to make my coffee. Since I haven’t had my caffeine fix yet I’m feeling a bit grumpy and I decide I’m not going to let the fact that he asked me about my mask go.
I tell him that under the Equalities Act he has no right to ask about me not wearing a mask. He replies that masks are mandatory and I reply, “Not if you’re exempt and whether someone has a mask on or not is none of your business just assume that they are exempt”
He accuses me of being “hostile” to which I reply, “If you don’t want hostility don’t ask people about not wearing a mask and mind your own business”.
While he turns back to… Read more »
Good work – little acorns and oak trees.
What I do is say I can’t understand what they are saying as they have a nappy over their mouths. I ask them to take it off so I can understand what they’re asking. Works every time
Worse than utterly useless as he will be breathing back in the muck from his lungs that he should be exhaling.
The words ‘petri dish’ can be very effective.
So, do people actually think they are effective? The mind boggles, how ill informed can you get?!
9 months of mind control brainwashing
The Guardian told him they work.