Labour’s Deputy Leader Angela Rayner has appealed to Muslim voters by pledging that a Labour Government would officially recognise the state of Palestine. The Mailhas the story.
Video circulating online shows the party’s Deputy Leader speaking to voters in her Ashton-under-Lyne seat and thanking them for getting her “over the line” at the 2019 election.
She then admits “people are angry” about the growing humanitarian disaster in Gaza following the Israeli invasion triggers by the October 7th Hamas terrorist attack.
In the footage, believed to have been shot at an event on Sunday, Ms. Rayner tells the audience that Labour “supports” the International Criminal Court, which last week said it would seek the arrest of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu – and senior Hamas leaders – over claims of war crimes in Gaza.
She then warns them a Labour Government would have “limited” influence to change the situation, adding: “Qatar, Saudi Arabia, all of these people, we are all working to stop what’s happening at the moment, we want to see that.
“I promise you that’s what we want to see. If Labour get into power we will recognise Palestine.”
This is absolutely cringe. Angela Rayner giving in to Islamic sectarianism by solely focusing on Gaza here. Begging for their votes.
No mention on any everyday issues which affect us in the UK. Pathetic.
Labour faces a major backlash from its Muslim voters over the party’s stance on Gaza. Sir Keir Starmer initially refused to back calls for a permanent ceasefire saying Israel had a right to defend itself.
The stance was blamed in part for Labour losing the Rochdale by-election to George Galloway earlier this year.
Meanwhile, Ms. Rayner faced pushback from television presenter and Reform U.K. President Nigel Farage, as he sounded the alarm about inner cities and towns moving into an era of “sectarian politics with women completely excluded”.
Mr. Farage was launching Howard Cox as the party’s Dover candidate this morning – having refused to stand for a seat himself.
In a tough speech, he claimed Rishi Sunak called an early election on July 4th because he knew his plan to deport Channel migrants to Rwanda would not work.
He also doubled down on his attack on British Muslims, despite criticism from the Tories and other politicians over using the term “invasion” to describe the situation facing Britain.
Complaining that Channel migrants had access to services like housing and dentistry before locals, Mr. Farage said: “Frankly, I think this is very dangerous. You only have to look at what has happened in Sweden, in cities like Malmo, to see that a large influx of young males coming from an entirely different culture – and certainly coming from a culture in which woman are not even regarded as second-class citizens – has had frankly disastrous social effects.”
Full credit to Guido Fawkes for getting the video.
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She perfectly sums up the complete absence of decency and morals that is the mark of a British politician in today’s Britain. Coming on top of her tax evasion this disgraceful, treasonous woman is building quite a cv but probably not yet good enough for the Bliar institute.
Much like the US Democratic Party, they are in a sticky spot on this issue. Unlike in the US, I doubt it will make much difference this time around but it might do in the future. I can see Labour having to go full-on coalition of the fringes eventually
likewise Zahawi, who forgot to include the 20 plus million he made from a deal on his tax return, all he had was a small fine in comparison with the sum he “forgot”. It truly is one rule for the political class and another for those of us who fund them.
Zahawi – he’s another one I despise with a passion.
I suppose it’s easily done, overlooking several million pounds…especially when one has the right honourable prefix…after all, they are so busy, telling the plebs what they should / must do.
Yes and just to make sure that you get and understand the message, it is only a few weeks since some young bloke got a jail sentance for sticking labels on lampposts, some of which were alleged to be “offensive” (in somebody”s opinion).
The comments on the labels must have been “offensive” to someone, whilst hardened and violent pridoners were being released without serving their (already much reduced) sentances because not enough prisons have been built and because the jails are full of “naughty” people on short term sentences.
If you want to be naughty, make sure it is in support of Uniparty policy!
Yes, back to my specialist subject: M&Ms ( a.k.a Muslims and migrants ). I’m ready for my famous black chair experience now I think. Bring it on, don’t be shy.
I’m making the tea so just passing through…What I will say though is she’s not just maxed out the cringeometer but is a double traitor, because I’ll never ever understand how a Western woman can be so happy to lower herself to brown-nose a load of people who will look down on her as nothing but an infidel. Given how patriarchal they are it’s even worse that she’s female as they won’t view her as their equal. I’ll bet they’ve zero respect for her as a person, it’s just what she can provide for them and vice versa. A bloody awful woman behaving shamefully. And knowing what she knows about all of the Pakistani rape gangs scandal across England.
But this is the problem when they’ve got the numbers isn’t it? They become very important to politicians and now a flipping war on a different continent is being weaponized to secure votes in a UK election. Mental! What’s going on in the Middle East would have nothing to do with anything 20 years ago, but now we’re well into the Islamification/Great Replacement process and there’s that many of them now that they clearly have a significant influence, especially as they’re now forming independent parties. If What’s happening miles away is influencing how Muslims vote then doesn’t that just provide confirmation of exactly where their loyalties lie?
Mogwai,
Have to agree.
Would it be a kindness to get an old razor blade and give her the traditional FGM treatment to her ginger bits?
Would go down well with all her new chums?
Yes exacty…..and why is there such a thing a “Muslim vote” anyway? Is there a “Buddhist vote” or a “Catholic vote”. Is there this bunch of Protestants that politicians should hope to get voting for them? I don’t see Catholics only voting for Catholics, but I suspect many Muslims might prefer to vote for another Muslim.
The second most popular boy’s name in the UK right now is Mohammed [or perhaps Muhammed].
What does that tell you?
It tells you a very small part of the UK population is having a lot of children when the rest of us are not “doing our duty” with the 1.4 average per family.
So how soon at this rate will the UK will be a muslim country with Sharia law the law of the land made by muslim MPs in Parliament.
Unless we dump the Uniparty and elect patriotic parties such as Britain First, not very long at all.
Sforzesca
10 months ago
She’d better be very careful otherwise she will go the same way as a certain Mr Corbyn – bought to you by Friends of Israel. And I mean bought – career wise.
Criticise the Genocide in Palestine at your peril.
Your gleeful repeated rape of the once unique, priceless and terrifyingly descriptive term ‘genocide’ serves to render it about as meaningful as Meghan Markle calling Nigeria “home”.
Here’s a question. Are terrorist gangsters Hamas, who appropriate and withhold thousands of tons of Israeli aid into Palestine and spend their almost $10 billion in Arab aid money exclusively on weapons, tunnels, operations bases under hospitals, luxury cars, mansions and swimming pools, also complicit in your ‘genocide’? If not, why not?
There are too numerous reports of Israelis withholding and also destroying humanitarian aid to Gaza. How would it be even possible for Hamas to withhold “thousands of tons of Israeli aid”? Where would they get it and how would they transport so much tonnage?
Finally, if Hamas had access to $10 billion, they would have been able to bribe the whole Israeli government!
Yes I’m well aware of the dictionary definition of genocide thanks but it seems you’re really really not.
So do you consider bloodthirsty medieval death cult gangsters Hamas who sanction and control all media and press releases coming out of Palestine to be honest and trustworthy broker of facts and the truth then?
We obviously, and sadly, have completely opposite sources of information. How can Hamas fighters, supposedly surviving 70m under ground, control which media and which press releases coming out of Gaza, which also happens to be under constant bombing by the IDF? Now, if you had said IDF are definitely bloodthirsty and the Israeli government controls all media and press releases coming out of Israel …
Sadly all you’re doing here is showing everyone how tangled and smashed your moral compass is.
You’re sat here defending and propagandising for a medieval Arab Mafia who organise and glory in the slaughter, rape and torture of not only Jews but homosexuals and anyone who opposes them (go and take a rainbow coloured Queers For Palestine bus or a crucifix covered Jesus Army van through Palestine and send us some holiday snaps).
Who build command centres under hospitals, schools and anything else that allows them them to use their ‘people’ as human shields for maximum propaganda. Who provide nothing for their countrymen – even so far as destroying food aid – and spend any aid money they do get on weapons and brainwashing their children into becoming malignant Jew hating robots to maintain this absurd miserable death vacuum. And whose commanders don’t even live in this sh*thole they’ve created, they live in opulent Qatari luxury.
Yes it truly is the strangest example of ‘genocide’ that I’ve ever seen. Mind you, it’s also the strangest example of an ‘open-air prison’ that I’ve seen. Wouldn’t you expect that if Israel were ‘genociding’ the civilians they wouldn’t have bothered evacuating just shy of 1 million of them from Rafah in 2 weeks? They’d have just carpet-bombed the lot of them and had done. No advanced warnings in the last several months, nothing. These terrorist-supporters will go out of their way to deny basic, easily-provable facts. But you know how it is by now, and as we’ve seen with the scamdemic also…if the facts don’t fit the narrative, change the facts;
”Gaza’s 2024 population is now estimated at 800,636. In 1950, the population of Gaza was 63,444. Gaza has grown by 22,449 in the last year, which represents a 2.88% annual change. Gaza has a very high fertility rate of 4.4 children per woman, in part because women are usually housebound and men earn more money when their families grow larger. Gaza is currently growing at a rate of 3% per year, which is the 13th highest growth rate in the world. ”
Have you seen the vaccine ‘genocide’ example? Using the same website and logic, there is no such thing: the world population has been increasing, including in heavily vaccinated populations such as USA, UK and Israel.
However “genocide” as defined in the “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide” is not so simplistic.
“In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a. Killing members of the group; b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
“committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”
1) it has to be “with intent”
2) the intent has to be “to destroy”
3) “in whole or in part”
4) “the group”
5) “as such”
And the critical two words are “as such”.
Israel is not setting out to destroy any group “in whole or in part” “as such”.
Israel is:
1) defending itself against the 7th October barbarous atrocities being repeated – as threatened by Hamas;
2) to recover the hostages taken by the officially designated “terrorists” of Hamas.
Now the history of the dispute may be somewhat chequered but what is happening now is happening now and has to be faced up to.
It is a bloody and messy dispute which is ensured by:
1) Hamas
2) neighbouring Arabic/muslim states refusing to let Gazan’s settle in their countries.
Now that is being somewhat simplistic but if Gazan’s could live somewhere else which is safe and can bring up their families versus staying in Gaza, what would you do in their shoes?
The UK SHOULD recognise the State of Palestine regardless of whether we have a Labour government or not.
Starmer has been so pro-Israeli genocide that it will take more than Raynor to persuade peace loving Muslims to vote Labour.
Indeed. Here is the chap Jordan Peterson recently interviewed trying to build an intellectual bridge to Muslims, demonstrating in London this weekend (I didn’t have Peterson down as a naive fool, but in this attempted endeavour he most certainly has been).
What is especially frightening here is that the man Peterson Interviewed is no fool. Indeed he’s extremely intelligent. So this kind of rhetoric, from such a man is rather disturbing to say the least.
This also BTW illustrates that it is built in to Islamic doctrine that talking with a forked tongue (lying to non-believers) is acceptable to further the interests of Islam.
”There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.”
Yes, Islamic terrorists dislike our liberal atheism but the West’s killing of Muslims causes greater hatred. It has been estimated that Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394 How much clearer can the evidence be that Western involvement in killing Muslims makes that country a target for terrorists and as a recruiting sergeant for even more radicalized Islamic jihadists who feel they are avenging the deaths of their fellow brother and sister Muslims? Western countries support of the brutal, apartheid regime of Israel also makes those countries a target for terrorism. Although it is only a very small number of Muslims who become radicalized, crazed, terrorist jihadists, if the West stopped all foreign conflicts in Muslim lands including drone strikes, withdrew their forces and apologised to the Muslim world for previous incursions the West, and the world in general, may be a safer place.
Do you have data on how many Catholics western wars have killed, and do you have evidence that any Catholics that have been killed cause other Catholics seek to indulge in terrorism against those western countries?
Well yes but with respect isn’t that a straw man argument? I don’t think anyone here thinks any such thing.
What do you say to the argument that Islam has a political dimension and Christianity doesn’t? I’m not religious but I am not into poking my nose into other people’s religious choices, provided that those choices remain private and are not woven into the law and the way the country is governed.
I’m not sure about “delight in Muslims getting killed”. That’s not how I read most of the comments. I would think people would characterise it as a war in which casualties are inevitable and would not support the indiscriminate killing of Muslims just because they happen to be Muslim.
I don’t think that is how some see it- they would say that Israel is conducting an operation to guarantee its security and is trying to minimise civilian casualties. I am not saying that this is the case, but that is how some see it and therefore they do not support indiscriminate killing because that is not what they think is happening
Some see it that way because they are not prepared to do any research into the other sides view.
They stay in their comfort zone and the confirmation bias that publications like The Daily Septic, Spiked etc. give them.
They deride the main stream media with their lies and propaganda about climate change and Covid but they can’t see the same lies and propaganda in the msm about their beloved Israel’s killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians for the past 76 years.
You confuse “delight in Muslims being killed” with delight in being free English men, living in England unencumbered by Dark Age bigoted fundamentalist intrusion into English life.
Some years ago I was cycling in near my home in Surrey. My friends and I arrived at a village green where a cricket match was being played.
A bunch of Muslims (women in head to toe Niqab or Burqas) from a local immigration centre (I presume) were sitting on the field of play.
The locals, being terribly English, tried politely to inform them they should move. They didn’t, because they were utterly alien to English polite hinting and couldn’t understand a word of spoken English.
It was at once bizarre and very, very distressing.
At that point I could see, our polite nature would be the death of us.
It takes very few violent men to subjugate thousands of others, this is terrorism. So the majority who are not violent will vote and behave how they are told just to stay alive or to get food and work.
But the snag is that no Muslim man, woman or child is guaranteed entry to their “Paradise” unless they have offed an infidel, or died trying to off one, any way they can. That includes Medical Jihad, Rape Jihad, Contamination Jihad, Vehicular Jihad, Beheading Jihad, Arson Jihad, Stabbing Jihad, Shooting Unarmed Veterans Having Tea Jihad, Strangling Babies in Nursery Jihad, Sabotaging Aircraft Jihad, Sucker Punching Old Ladies Jihad, etc.
And if caught, they start to wail like babies so you won’t hurt them.
The peaceful majority ( if they are such) don’t matter. It is the fanatical, violent, murderous jihadis and ayatollahs that drive the narrative and intimidate the rest into compliance. Same as happened back in 7thC AD Arabia, same as happened in Iran in 1979.
Israel is not committing “genocide”. If they had wanted to do that they could have flattened the whole of Gaza within a few days.
And you can’t even spell Rayner correctly.
Not a bad start though –
35,000 plus dead including 15,000 kids and countless others buried under the rubble of their homes.
Hundreds of thousands consequentially homeless, trapped in an ever narrowing corridor of land and that’s just sinnce Ocober last.
Look at the score since 1948 and digest the definition of a genocide.
It’s close to genocide, but if your family and children were being held hostage, you would probably be OK with getting close to genocide too.
There are deeper politics at play which rather spoil the moral purity of the last point I made. Netenyahu is a case in point.
The Gazan Palestinian’s use language and express desires exactly in line with Nazis and those using the same language as a call to action in Britain should be dealt with as the Nazis were dealt with.
There are many Gazan’s who are simple folk who will use such language but not really understand the historical context and will be simply carried along with the crowd around them.
Two wrongs don’t make a right
Most Jews are entirely decent people
A very small subset of Jews have outsized influence.
The blood libel is wholly unacceptable when applied to the Jewish people
There is such a thing as Satanism
There are evil pedophiles
There are high level pedophile rings
Such people are a very small minority of all people
Jews are no exception to the last point
It is nonsense the majority of Jews are involved with (that Biblical term) usary
There is a particular family of Jews who, there is no doubt, hold a special status at the very root of the banking system no other family or banking entity holds. This is simple fact.
There are weird goings on with Orthodox Jews in New York and tunnels. The video evidence of crimes has been ignored and the recent crime scene was filled in with concrete within hours and before any investigation could take place. This is a simple fact.
The crime scene with tunnels was remarkably close to Epstein’s mansion
The head of the famous family of banking Jews is quite happy to be photographed in front of an infamous painting of Satan Summoning His Troops with self-professed witch, Marina Abrahmovich
Marina Abrahmovich was recently appointed as an ambassador for Ukraine (you can’t make it up)
Now don’t put words in my mouth or read more into what I have written than I have written. I know no more than this (or little more, there may be other things I know that I haven’t remembered to write now).
I’ve simply written a list of (for the most part) facts mixed with a few opinions.
Reality is complex and I don’t understand it all or know what to make of it all.
I have fears there is a very dark and sinister reality, but I don’t know.
I DO have a friend who was abused when she was younger and who knows there are high level pedophile rings. She has no desire for fame or to make money, or to pursue justice. Indeed she is absolutely convinced she would be killed if she tried to do so. She was not abused by Satanists, but was abused by high level politicians. I believe her. She believes there are Satanist pedophile rings, partly due to her interaction with other victims and conversations with her abusers. I don’t know what to believe of the satanism point.
Make of it what you will, I don’t care, but a lot of this stuff is coming to light and few have the guts to discuss it.
Sorry, just a quick response: “It’s close to genocide, but if your family and children were being held hostage, you would probably be OK with getting close to genocide too”.
No, I would expect direct action to rescue my family and children. I would expect negotiations. I would expect the risk to my family to be minimized. I would have absolutely no desire whatsoever for large numbers of completely innocent people to be killed, purely because somebody kidnapped my relatives. What sort of monster would want that?
Me, but not a monster. When dealing with people whose religion is antithetical to freedom and the values of freedom. I place the defence of liberal ideals above life in the dark ages and I’m not such a sop that I think that can be achieved without hard and violent action in which the mostly innocent will get harmed. Sorry but that’s how I feel. It isn’t my fault mostly innocent people may die if they are on the wrong side of the dogma line.
In that very hard situation, those who are on the right side of the line get preference.
While what I am saying might sound like dogma, IMO it isn’t for the very simple reason, there is no violence if my values are left to be as I leave others to be. But there is a certain community where that is not the yardstick.
Genital mutilation and child rape are on the wrong side of the line.
Having said that, yes our current culture fails to make the mark, so yes, in relation to current government of the western world, this is hypocritical and no, I don’t see significant change any time soon.
So yes I feel lost. And I will be voting for no-one this coming election.
As much sympathy as I have for the man, no. There are weak men. There are desperate men. I have utmost sympathy for the latter. I will be criticised for saying it, but he is the combination of the two. And while I would be utterly desperate if it were my own family captured, I would also understand there are far bigger principles at stake.
“Stop this war and bring them all home now” is an utter non sequitur to everyone but credulous fools. Understandable desperation might stop a family member seeing that, but were I in charge, there is no way I would be so stupid as to base a policy decision on it.
Grow a pair. Britain is in severe peril and people like you still seem to think it is business as usual. It isn’t. The balance has tipped. Wake-up. The country idyl and meadows are over. We need to unite and we need to accept that may not result in a peaceful outcome.
I didn’t express an opinion but your generalisation of what families of hostages are probably OK with seemed to be contradicted by reports of what actual families of hostages demand.
Suggesting that someone grows a pair, followed by a call that we need to unite i.e. safety in numbers, is a bit of a mixed message.
The last statistic I heard was that 40% of Gaza had been flattened but that may not be correct.
Israel continues to freely bomb the place but it has to consider the negative PR of wiping the place out completely, which is why starvation and destruction of medical facilities is a good alternative: it is quiet and you can hope nobody notices – or reacts in time.
Quite frankly Angela Rayner is showing a dangerously provocative and completely unacceptable amount of hair and flesh which, if she’s in the company of Muslim men, she should have covered immediately with a black tarpaulin and 5 litres of B&Q roof tar.
What is she thinking!??
You’re right, I looked at that photo of her surrounded by muzlim MEN and I felt the disapproval of an uncovered WOMAN being in a position of power. As far as they’re concerned, she’s just a useful tool to help THEM gain power in this country.
Then bye bye Angela and the rest of the uppity females.
News on Farage and the Pandemic Preparedness Treaty.
Heretic
10 months ago
Speaking of Labour wooing Muslim voters, the new choice for Dutch Prime Minister, Dick Schoof, says he will represent “all Dutch people”, meaning Muslim invaders as well. That wasn’t what the Dutch people voted for in electing Geert Wilders’ party to protect them from The Islamic Horde.
But in a total Globalist scam to crush all opposition to The Horde, they persuaded Geert & the Muslim Turk in Stilettos to accept a LIFELONG LABOUR supporter, Dick Schoof, who only recently resigned from the Dutch Labour Party PvdA, whose policies are “A fast procedure for asylum seekers” and “A humane refugee policy with an eye for public support”. Closet Labour member Dick Schoof also says he will refuse to join Geert Wilders’ party because it is “Extremist” (what !!!???). So it’s just like the “Brexit-In-Name-Only” scam here.
The only true Prime Minister of the Netherlands, and the only one standing up to The Islamic Horde, is Geert Wilders.
The guy to her right does not look at her.
The guy to her left stands with folded arms. People cross their arms when they hear something that makes them angry or upset, or when they disagree with what’s being said. That is not a particularly receptive audience.
Not always. Sometimes people cross their arms as a defensive gesture, when the person talking to them gets too close to their personal space.
Or sometimes when you’re just standing and listening, and tired of your arms dangling down by your side. It’s sometimes just more comfortable to fold your arms while standing and listening. There’s not always a psychological reason for everything.
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Heretic
10 months ago
This Daily Mail article was unjust to appear to criticise Nigel for “refusing to stand for a seat himself”. The man tried an astonishing SEVEN TIMES to get elected as a member of Parliament, and seven times the Tories sent thousands of party activists into his proposed constituencies to warn voters not to vote for him. They sent something like 4000 into South Thanet. And it worked.
No one can blame him at all for getting weary of all this, after battling for 20 years.
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Richard Austin
10 months ago
This creature knows no limits to what she does. Foul mouthed Rayner is a thief and a liar. Her party is sick personified and refined. How can anyone even consider voting for them? it is totally beyond me.
Richard Austin
10 months ago
Bugger me but the use of Genocide in here is hitting the Super Ridiculous marker. There is only one group in this who have vowed Genocide. The same ones who raped and then cut off the heads of defenceless women.
They vow to murder every Jew. That is Genocide. Fighting back is not anywhere even close and, to be frank, if you think it is then answer a simple question: why is Israel one of the very few countries which goes out of their way to avoid civilian casualties?
Did the UK or USA do that in an illegal war in Iraq? How come the label gets applied to Jews who genuinely suffered in an indescribable Genocide.
They were specifically targeted to be killed. Millions died. Yet the likes of Mr Yellow Star atheist on here thinks like the BBC. I have to say Yellow Star of David makes me sick. It is time he was kicked out. What is this forum now? It is not free speech to claim a lie is the truth. It is not free speech to give creatures like Yellow Star of David oxygen.
Apart from the matter of principle, if you stop people posting their views then people like me who are fairly undecided on the subject will have less input to help them form a better understanding
I agree completely that the use of the word ‘Genocide’ is hitting the Super Ridiculous marker. It is only a word which describes mass murder, or attempted mass murder, of a particular group of people.
Nobody is denying the atrocities committed by the Nazis in WWII, not only against Jews but also against communists, gypsies, the mentally ill, and so on. And that is why nobody ever wants to hear the word ‘genocide’ again. But, unfortunately, both international courts and a very large number of countries around the world are accusing Israel of committing genocide: not Hamas but Israel.
In a televised address on the night of October 7, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered the 2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza to “get out now. We will be everywhere and with all our might.” In an address publicly broadcasted on October 28, 2023, and posted on the government’s official YouTube account, Netanyahu stated: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.” The Prime Minister’s Office again referred to this phrase in a Post on X on November 3, 2023. The relevant Biblical passage reads, “Now go, attack Amalek, and proscribe all that belongs to him. Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.” Upon initiating a total blockade on Gaza, Israel’s Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant stated, “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. . . . We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” The Minister of Defense also stated that he had “released all the restraints,” and that “Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week. It will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.” Israeli President Isaac Herzog underscored Israel’s intent to target all Palestinians in Gaza, without distinguishing between militants and civilians, by declaring, “[i]t’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true.” Minister of National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir likewise declared, “[t]o be clear, when they say that Hamas needs to be eliminated, it also means those who sing, those who support and those who distribute candy, all of these are terrorists.”
Major General Ghassan Alian, head of the Israeli military’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), responsible for administering the siege on Gaza, explicitly declared Israel’s intention to bring about physical destruction to Palestinians in Gaza, stating: “Human animals must be treated as such. There will be no electricity and no water [in Gaza], there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell.” Israel’s Minister of Economy Bezalel Smotrich stated, “Israel has a very clear message to our enemies. We are saying to them, look what’s happening in Gaza – you are going to get the same treatment if you attack us. We are going to wipe you off the face of the earth.”
And so on. Is that not clear enough? And Israel is going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties? I hardly think so. But, yes, UK and USA also sadly bombed innocent civilians in Irak (and other countries).
I upticked your comment before I’d read your last point. I agree with the rest of your comment, but not your last point. I want to hear the viewpoints of those I disagree with so I know how far the poison is spreading.
She needs to be careful. Most Muslims want nothing to do with Palestinians. Why does she think that other Muslim countries haven’t welcomed them in with open arms or recognised Palestine.
They don’t want Hamas being given a breather to start causing trouble in other Muslim countries.
Rusty123
10 months ago
These “politicians” come out with such garbage, what right has she to state that this country under Liebour or any other party for that matter will recognize Palestine? Since when did she and other MP’s speak for all?, why not try sorting out real issues in this country, a lot caused by said “religion” , instead of pouring petrol on the fire?
RTSC
10 months ago
Labour is only just waking up to the fact that it is now holding a Militant Muslim tiger by the tail. And it’s only going to get worse ….. for them, but far more importantly, for us.
Nigel is right – as usual.
pamela preedy
10 months ago
A Liebour government will ‘officially recognise the state of palestine’? Run by kidnappers, hostage-takers, gang-rapists, baby-murderers, torturers and killers, such a nightmare state would deserve an official visit from their staunch supporter Angela Rayner.
To please their muzlim client voters, this dreadful toadying woman wants to shame the UK along with Ireland, Spain and Norway whose politicians must be the lowest of the low.
I do hope those three countries are willing to take in ALL the Palestine refugees because we certainly don’t need them here to reinforce the muzlim belief that the UK is their country for the taking. They’re encouraged in that idea because Sad Khunt has already captured our capital with no let or hindrance from the pathetically spineless government.
The idea of Queer Starmer and his marxist mob in control is so obnoxious, so sickening, that I am torn between wishing I were much younger and eligible to emigrate to New Zealand (now that Horse-Face has gone); and being glad that I am old enough not to have TOO many years left to witness the further degradation of my beloved country.
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Ranting hits the brown stuff – literally.
She perfectly sums up the complete absence of decency and morals that is the mark of a British politician in today’s Britain. Coming on top of her tax evasion this disgraceful, treasonous woman is building quite a cv but probably not yet good enough for the Bliar institute.
You can see why Mark Twain compared Politicians to diapers.
Yep.
She only did it because she knows it will never happen and she won’t have to quit being an MP. But she would not anyway IMHO.
What a shallow bint.
Labour’s first new idea: recognise Palestine.
I think we get the drift.
Much like the US Democratic Party, they are in a sticky spot on this issue. Unlike in the US, I doubt it will make much difference this time around but it might do in the future. I can see Labour having to go full-on coalition of the fringes eventually
Surprise, surprise:
‘Labour’s deputy leader Angela Rayner will face no police action in the row over her council house sale after a ‘thorough investigation by GMP.’
Information has been shared with HMRC and Stockport Council.
I suppose if any old Joe Bloggs had been accused of wrongdoing, the police would have managed to scrape something together.
likewise Zahawi, who forgot to include the 20 plus million he made from a deal on his tax return, all he had was a small fine in comparison with the sum he “forgot”. It truly is one rule for the political class and another for those of us who fund them.
Zahawi – he’s another one I despise with a passion.
I suppose it’s easily done, overlooking several million pounds…especially when one has the right honourable prefix…after all, they are so busy, telling the plebs what they should / must do.
Yes and just to make sure that you get and understand the message, it is only a few weeks since some young bloke got a jail sentance for sticking labels on lampposts, some of which were alleged to be “offensive” (in somebody”s opinion).
The comments on the labels must have been “offensive” to someone, whilst hardened and violent pridoners were being released without serving their (already much reduced) sentances because not enough prisons have been built and because the jails are full of “naughty” people on short term sentences.
If you want to be naughty, make sure it is in support of Uniparty policy!
Mogwai……C’mon. I will hand over to you.
I’m making the tea so just passing through…What I will say though is she’s not just maxed out the cringeometer but is a double traitor, because I’ll never ever understand how a Western woman can be so happy to lower herself to brown-nose a load of people who will look down on her as nothing but an infidel. Given how patriarchal they are it’s even worse that she’s female as they won’t view her as their equal. I’ll bet they’ve zero respect for her as a person, it’s just what she can provide for them and vice versa. A bloody awful woman behaving shamefully. And knowing what she knows about all of the Pakistani rape gangs scandal across England.
But this is the problem when they’ve got the numbers isn’t it? They become very important to politicians and now a flipping war on a different continent is being weaponized to secure votes in a UK election. Mental! What’s going on in the Middle East would have nothing to do with anything 20 years ago, but now we’re well into the Islamification/Great Replacement process and there’s that many of them now that they clearly have a significant influence, especially as they’re now forming independent parties. If What’s happening miles away is influencing how Muslims vote then doesn’t that just provide confirmation of exactly where their loyalties lie?
Mogwai,
Have to agree.
Would it be a kindness to get an old razor blade and give her the traditional FGM treatment to her ginger bits?
Would go down well with all her new chums?
Yes exacty…..and why is there such a thing a “Muslim vote” anyway? Is there a “Buddhist vote” or a “Catholic vote”. Is there this bunch of Protestants that politicians should hope to get voting for them? I don’t see Catholics only voting for Catholics, but I suspect many Muslims might prefer to vote for another Muslim.
Enough of this anti-muslim rhetoric.
The second most popular boy’s name in the UK right now is Mohammed [or perhaps Muhammed].
What does that tell you?
It tells you a very small part of the UK population is having a lot of children when the rest of us are not “doing our duty” with the 1.4 average per family.
So how soon at this rate will the UK will be a muslim country with Sharia law the law of the land made by muslim MPs in Parliament.
Serious question.
Not racist. Not anti-muslim. But serious.
How long?
Unless we dump the Uniparty and elect patriotic parties such as Britain First, not very long at all.
She’d better be very careful otherwise she will go the same way as a certain Mr Corbyn – bought to you by Friends of Israel. And I mean bought – career wise.
Criticise the Genocide in Palestine at your peril.
Your gleeful repeated rape of the once unique, priceless and terrifyingly descriptive term ‘genocide’ serves to render it about as meaningful as Meghan Markle calling Nigeria “home”.
Here’s a question. Are terrorist gangsters Hamas, who appropriate and withhold thousands of tons of Israeli aid into Palestine and spend their almost $10 billion in Arab aid money exclusively on weapons, tunnels, operations bases under hospitals, luxury cars, mansions and swimming pools, also complicit in your ‘genocide’? If not, why not?
My dictionary defines genocide as “Extermination of a race”. I consider that a fair description of Israel’s actions against Palestinians. See, for example, https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/news-highlights-week-33-israels-genocide-gaza.
There are too numerous reports of Israelis withholding and also destroying humanitarian aid to Gaza. How would it be even possible for Hamas to withhold “thousands of tons of Israeli aid”? Where would they get it and how would they transport so much tonnage?
Finally, if Hamas had access to $10 billion, they would have been able to bribe the whole Israeli government!
Yes I’m well aware of the dictionary definition of genocide thanks but it seems you’re really really not.
So do you consider bloodthirsty medieval death cult gangsters Hamas who sanction and control all media and press releases coming out of Palestine to be honest and trustworthy broker of facts and the truth then?
We obviously, and sadly, have completely opposite sources of information. How can Hamas fighters, supposedly surviving 70m under ground, control which media and which press releases coming out of Gaza, which also happens to be under constant bombing by the IDF? Now, if you had said IDF are definitely bloodthirsty and the Israeli government controls all media and press releases coming out of Israel …
Sadly all you’re doing here is showing everyone how tangled and smashed your moral compass is.
You’re sat here defending and propagandising for a medieval Arab Mafia who organise and glory in the slaughter, rape and torture of not only Jews but homosexuals and anyone who opposes them (go and take a rainbow coloured Queers For Palestine bus or a crucifix covered Jesus Army van through Palestine and send us some holiday snaps).
Who build command centres under hospitals, schools and anything else that allows them them to use their ‘people’ as human shields for maximum propaganda. Who provide nothing for their countrymen – even so far as destroying food aid – and spend any aid money they do get on weapons and brainwashing their children into becoming malignant Jew hating robots to maintain this absurd miserable death vacuum. And whose commanders don’t even live in this sh*thole they’ve created, they live in opulent Qatari luxury.
Tell me why you would support this?
Yes it truly is the strangest example of ‘genocide’ that I’ve ever seen. Mind you, it’s also the strangest example of an ‘open-air prison’ that I’ve seen. Wouldn’t you expect that if Israel were ‘genociding’ the civilians they wouldn’t have bothered evacuating just shy of 1 million of them from Rafah in 2 weeks? They’d have just carpet-bombed the lot of them and had done. No advanced warnings in the last several months, nothing. These terrorist-supporters will go out of their way to deny basic, easily-provable facts. But you know how it is by now, and as we’ve seen with the scamdemic also…if the facts don’t fit the narrative, change the facts;
”Gaza’s 2024 population is now estimated at 800,636. In 1950, the population of Gaza was 63,444. Gaza has grown by 22,449 in the last year, which represents a 2.88% annual change.
Gaza has a very high fertility rate of 4.4 children per woman, in part because women are usually housebound and men earn more money when their families grow larger.
Gaza is currently growing at a rate of 3% per year, which is the 13th highest growth rate in the world. ”
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/gaza-population
Have you seen the vaccine ‘genocide’ example? Using the same website and logic, there is no such thing: the world population has been increasing, including in heavily vaccinated populations such as USA, UK and Israel.
However “genocide” as defined in the “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide” is not so simplistic.
“In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
It seems pretty simplistic to me.
Read the words carefully:
“committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”
1) it has to be “with intent”
2) the intent has to be “to destroy”
3) “in whole or in part”
4) “the group”
5) “as such”
And the critical two words are “as such”.
Israel is not setting out to destroy any group “in whole or in part” “as such”.
Israel is:
1) defending itself against the 7th October barbarous atrocities being repeated – as threatened by Hamas;
2) to recover the hostages taken by the officially designated “terrorists” of Hamas.
Now the history of the dispute may be somewhat chequered but what is happening now is happening now and has to be faced up to.
It is a bloody and messy dispute which is ensured by:
1) Hamas
2) neighbouring Arabic/muslim states refusing to let Gazan’s settle in their countries.
Now that is being somewhat simplistic but if Gazan’s could live somewhere else which is safe and can bring up their families versus staying in Gaza, what would you do in their shoes?
muzlim women are regarded as baby-making machines and act as them, willingly or not.
As already noted above: “The second most popular boy’s name in the UK right now is Mohammed [or perhaps Muhammed].”
Why isn’t she wearing a hijab?
Burka would make her more attractive.
Nothing could do that.
Not even crossing and uncrossing her legs.
And don’t forget the information eventually came out that the source of that was Raynor – who boasted in a bar in Westminster of doing that.
The UK SHOULD recognise the State of Palestine regardless of whether we have a Labour government or not.
Starmer has been so pro-Israeli genocide that it will take more than Raynor to persuade peace loving Muslims to vote Labour.
“peace loving Muslims”
Questionable.
Indeed. Here is the chap Jordan Peterson recently interviewed trying to build an intellectual bridge to Muslims, demonstrating in London this weekend (I didn’t have Peterson down as a naive fool, but in this attempted endeavour he most certainly has been).
Jordan Peterson Interview with Mohammed Hijab:
https://youtu.be/gqS1ov4lSI0?si=tYqdC4hFB7Q4jqth
What is especially frightening here is that the man Peterson Interviewed is no fool. Indeed he’s extremely intelligent. So this kind of rhetoric, from such a man is rather disturbing to say the least.
Just this weekend:
https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1794799139647344985?s=57&t=AY3dxo4CPswl6wmndLEhaw
This also BTW illustrates that it is built in to Islamic doctrine that talking with a forked tongue (lying to non-believers) is acceptable to further the interests of Islam.
Yes indeed. It’s called ‘Taqiyya’;
”There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.”
https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
Yes, lying to non-believers is called taqiyya.
Out of the 2 billion Muslims in the world they are not all terrorists.
True – but they seem to be responsible for a disproportionate number of terrorist incidents.
Yes, Islamic terrorists dislike our liberal atheism but the West’s killing of Muslims causes greater hatred.
It has been estimated that Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394
How much clearer can the evidence be that Western involvement in killing Muslims makes that country a target for terrorists and as a recruiting sergeant for even more radicalized Islamic jihadists who feel they are avenging the deaths of their fellow brother and sister Muslims?
Western countries support of the brutal, apartheid regime of Israel also makes those countries a target for terrorism.
Although it is only a very small number of Muslims who become radicalized, crazed, terrorist jihadists, if the West stopped all foreign conflicts in Muslim lands including drone strikes, withdrew their forces and apologised to the Muslim world for previous incursions the West, and the world in general, may be a safer place.
Do you have data on how many Catholics western wars have killed, and do you have evidence that any Catholics that have been killed cause other Catholics seek to indulge in terrorism against those western countries?
You put that rather more politely than I would have.
Well yes but with respect isn’t that a straw man argument? I don’t think anyone here thinks any such thing.
What do you say to the argument that Islam has a political dimension and Christianity doesn’t? I’m not religious but I am not into poking my nose into other people’s religious choices, provided that those choices remain private and are not woven into the law and the way the country is governed.
No it’s not a strawman argument and many people on The DS seem to delight in Muslims being killed.
As a devout atheist I don’t think religion should have any influence in politics in this country.
What they do in their own countries is up to them.
I’m not sure about “delight in Muslims getting killed”. That’s not how I read most of the comments. I would think people would characterise it as a war in which casualties are inevitable and would not support the indiscriminate killing of Muslims just because they happen to be Muslim.
“would not support the indiscriminate killing of Muslims just because they happen to be Muslim.”
But that is exactly what is happening in Gaza.
I don’t think that is how some see it- they would say that Israel is conducting an operation to guarantee its security and is trying to minimise civilian casualties. I am not saying that this is the case, but that is how some see it and therefore they do not support indiscriminate killing because that is not what they think is happening
Some see it that way because they are not prepared to do any research into the other sides view.
They stay in their comfort zone and the confirmation bias that publications like The Daily Septic, Spiked etc. give them.
They deride the main stream media with their lies and propaganda about climate change and Covid but they can’t see the same lies and propaganda in the msm about their beloved Israel’s killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians for the past 76 years.
I think part of the reason is a distrust/dislike of Islam or let’s say the effects of Islam politically.
A devout atheist who has a yellow Star of David. Need I say more?
You confuse “delight in Muslims being killed” with delight in being free English men, living in England unencumbered by Dark Age bigoted fundamentalist intrusion into English life.
Some years ago I was cycling in near my home in Surrey. My friends and I arrived at a village green where a cricket match was being played.
A bunch of Muslims (women in head to toe Niqab or Burqas) from a local immigration centre (I presume) were sitting on the field of play.
The locals, being terribly English, tried politely to inform them they should move. They didn’t, because they were utterly alien to English polite hinting and couldn’t understand a word of spoken English.
It was at once bizarre and very, very distressing.
At that point I could see, our polite nature would be the death of us.
It is.
It takes very few violent men to subjugate thousands of others, this is terrorism. So the majority who are not violent will vote and behave how they are told just to stay alive or to get food and work.
You’ve described Netanyahu very well.
But the snag is that no Muslim man, woman or child is guaranteed entry to their “Paradise” unless they have offed an infidel, or died trying to off one, any way they can. That includes Medical Jihad, Rape Jihad, Contamination Jihad, Vehicular Jihad, Beheading Jihad, Arson Jihad, Stabbing Jihad, Shooting Unarmed Veterans Having Tea Jihad, Strangling Babies in Nursery Jihad, Sabotaging Aircraft Jihad, Sucker Punching Old Ladies Jihad, etc.
And if caught, they start to wail like babies so you won’t hurt them.
The peaceful majority ( if they are such) don’t matter. It is the fanatical, violent, murderous jihadis and ayatollahs that drive the narrative and intimidate the rest into compliance. Same as happened back in 7thC AD Arabia, same as happened in Iran in 1979.
Israel is not committing “genocide”. If they had wanted to do that they could have flattened the whole of Gaza within a few days.
And you can’t even spell Rayner correctly.
Not a bad start though –
35,000 plus dead including 15,000 kids and countless others buried under the rubble of their homes.
Hundreds of thousands consequentially homeless, trapped in an ever narrowing corridor of land and that’s just sinnce Ocober last.
Look at the score since 1948 and digest the definition of a genocide.
IMO it is complex and multi-dimensional.
In my view all of the following are true.
Now don’t put words in my mouth or read more into what I have written than I have written. I know no more than this (or little more, there may be other things I know that I haven’t remembered to write now).
I’ve simply written a list of (for the most part) facts mixed with a few opinions.
Reality is complex and I don’t understand it all or know what to make of it all.
I have fears there is a very dark and sinister reality, but I don’t know.
I DO have a friend who was abused when she was younger and who knows there are high level pedophile rings. She has no desire for fame or to make money, or to pursue justice. Indeed she is absolutely convinced she would be killed if she tried to do so. She was not abused by Satanists, but was abused by high level politicians. I believe her. She believes there are Satanist pedophile rings, partly due to her interaction with other victims and conversations with her abusers. I don’t know what to believe of the satanism point.
Make of it what you will, I don’t care, but a lot of this stuff is coming to light and few have the guts to discuss it.
Sorry, just a quick response: “It’s close to genocide, but if your family and children were being held hostage, you would probably be OK with getting close to genocide too”.
No, I would expect direct action to rescue my family and children. I would expect negotiations. I would expect the risk to my family to be minimized. I would have absolutely no desire whatsoever for large numbers of completely innocent people to be killed, purely because somebody kidnapped my relatives. What sort of monster would want that?
Me, but not a monster. When dealing with people whose religion is antithetical to freedom and the values of freedom. I place the defence of liberal ideals above life in the dark ages and I’m not such a sop that I think that can be achieved without hard and violent action in which the mostly innocent will get harmed. Sorry but that’s how I feel. It isn’t my fault mostly innocent people may die if they are on the wrong side of the dogma line.
In that very hard situation, those who are on the right side of the line get preference.
While what I am saying might sound like dogma, IMO it isn’t for the very simple reason, there is no violence if my values are left to be as I leave others to be. But there is a certain community where that is not the yardstick.
Genital mutilation and child rape are on the wrong side of the line.
Having said that, yes our current culture fails to make the mark, so yes, in relation to current government of the western world, this is hypocritical and no, I don’t see significant change any time soon.
So yes I feel lost. And I will be voting for no-one this coming election.
“if your family and children were being held hostage, you would probably be OK with getting close to genocide too”
Einav Zangauker, whose son is a hostage in Gaza:
“Stop this war and bring them all home now”
The thousands protesting against the Israeli government have been demanding a hostage deal.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-25/ty-article/.premium/thousands-across-israel-protest-netanyahu-government-call-for-hostage-deal/0000018f-b124-d24f-a5df-ffe6cf310000
As much sympathy as I have for the man, no. There are weak men. There are desperate men. I have utmost sympathy for the latter. I will be criticised for saying it, but he is the combination of the two. And while I would be utterly desperate if it were my own family captured, I would also understand there are far bigger principles at stake.
“Stop this war and bring them all home now” is an utter non sequitur to everyone but credulous fools. Understandable desperation might stop a family member seeing that, but were I in charge, there is no way I would be so stupid as to base a policy decision on it.
Grow a pair. Britain is in severe peril and people like you still seem to think it is business as usual. It isn’t. The balance has tipped. Wake-up. The country idyl and meadows are over. We need to unite and we need to accept that may not result in a peaceful outcome.
I didn’t express an opinion but your generalisation of what families of hostages are probably OK with seemed to be contradicted by reports of what actual families of hostages demand.
Suggesting that someone grows a pair, followed by a call that we need to unite i.e. safety in numbers, is a bit of a mixed message.
The last statistic I heard was that 40% of Gaza had been flattened but that may not be correct.
Israel continues to freely bomb the place but it has to consider the negative PR of wiping the place out completely, which is why starvation and destruction of medical facilities is a good alternative: it is quiet and you can hope nobody notices – or reacts in time.
Take a look at https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/news-highlights-week-33-israels-genocide-gaza. Just one week’s work.
Quite frankly Angela Rayner is showing a dangerously provocative and completely unacceptable amount of hair and flesh which, if she’s in the company of Muslim men, she should have covered immediately with a black tarpaulin and 5 litres of B&Q roof tar.
What is she thinking!??
Love it
Thinking?
You’re right, I looked at that photo of her surrounded by muzlim MEN and I felt the disapproval of an uncovered WOMAN being in a position of power. As far as they’re concerned, she’s just a useful tool to help THEM gain power in this country.
Then bye bye Angela and the rest of the uppity females.
Off – T
https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-treaty-fails-open-border-immigration/5858250
News on Farage and the Pandemic Preparedness Treaty.
Speaking of Labour wooing Muslim voters, the new choice for Dutch Prime Minister, Dick Schoof, says he will represent “all Dutch people”, meaning Muslim invaders as well. That wasn’t what the Dutch people voted for in electing Geert Wilders’ party to protect them from The Islamic Horde.
But in a total Globalist scam to crush all opposition to The Horde, they persuaded Geert & the Muslim Turk in Stilettos to accept a LIFELONG LABOUR supporter, Dick Schoof, who only recently resigned from the Dutch Labour Party PvdA, whose policies are “A fast procedure for asylum seekers” and “A humane refugee policy with an eye for public support”. Closet Labour member Dick Schoof also says he will refuse to join Geert Wilders’ party because it is “Extremist” (what !!!???). So it’s just like the “Brexit-In-Name-Only” scam here.
The only true Prime Minister of the Netherlands, and the only one standing up to The Islamic Horde, is Geert Wilders.
The guy to her right does not look at her.
The guy to her left stands with folded arms. People cross their arms when they hear something that makes them angry or upset, or when they disagree with what’s being said. That is not a particularly receptive audience.
Not always. Sometimes people cross their arms as a defensive gesture, when the person talking to them gets too close to their personal space.
Or sometimes when you’re just standing and listening, and tired of your arms dangling down by your side. It’s sometimes just more comfortable to fold your arms while standing and listening. There’s not always a psychological reason for everything.
This Daily Mail article was unjust to appear to criticise Nigel for “refusing to stand for a seat himself”. The man tried an astonishing SEVEN TIMES to get elected as a member of Parliament, and seven times the Tories sent thousands of party activists into his proposed constituencies to warn voters not to vote for him. They sent something like 4000 into South Thanet. And it worked.
New expenses scandal emerges as Tories fight police in court – Channel 4 News
“As the Conservatives go to court to prevent police investigating its South Thanet election expenses, Channel 4 News reveals fresh evidence of undeclared expenses there, and the scale of the operation.”
No one can blame him at all for getting weary of all this, after battling for 20 years.
This creature knows no limits to what she does. Foul mouthed Rayner is a thief and a liar. Her party is sick personified and refined. How can anyone even consider voting for them? it is totally beyond me.
Bugger me but the use of Genocide in here is hitting the Super Ridiculous marker. There is only one group in this who have vowed Genocide. The same ones who raped and then cut off the heads of defenceless women.
They vow to murder every Jew. That is Genocide. Fighting back is not anywhere even close and, to be frank, if you think it is then answer a simple question: why is Israel one of the very few countries which goes out of their way to avoid civilian casualties?
Did the UK or USA do that in an illegal war in Iraq? How come the label gets applied to Jews who genuinely suffered in an indescribable Genocide.
They were specifically targeted to be killed. Millions died. Yet the likes of Mr Yellow Star atheist on here thinks like the BBC. I have to say Yellow Star of David makes me sick. It is time he was kicked out. What is this forum now? It is not free speech to claim a lie is the truth. It is not free speech to give creatures like Yellow Star of David oxygen.
Regarding your last point I disagree
Apart from the matter of principle, if you stop people posting their views then people like me who are fairly undecided on the subject will have less input to help them form a better understanding
I agree completely that the use of the word ‘Genocide’ is hitting the Super Ridiculous marker. It is only a word which describes mass murder, or attempted mass murder, of a particular group of people.
Nobody is denying the atrocities committed by the Nazis in WWII, not only against Jews but also against communists, gypsies, the mentally ill, and so on. And that is why nobody ever wants to hear the word ‘genocide’ again. But, unfortunately, both international courts and a very large number of countries around the world are accusing Israel of committing genocide: not Hamas but Israel.
In a televised address on the night of October 7, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered the 2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza to “get out now. We will be everywhere and with all our might.”
In an address publicly broadcasted on October 28, 2023, and posted on the government’s official YouTube account, Netanyahu stated: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.” The Prime Minister’s Office again referred to this phrase in a Post on X on November 3, 2023. The relevant Biblical passage reads, “Now go, attack Amalek, and proscribe all that belongs to him. Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.”
Upon initiating a total blockade on Gaza, Israel’s Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant stated, “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. . . . We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” The Minister of Defense also stated that he had “released all the restraints,” and that “Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week. It will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”
Israeli President Isaac Herzog underscored Israel’s intent to target all Palestinians in Gaza, without distinguishing between militants and civilians, by declaring, “[i]t’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true.” Minister of National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir likewise declared, “[t]o be clear, when they say that Hamas needs to be eliminated, it also means those who sing, those who support and those who distribute candy, all of these are terrorists.”
Major General Ghassan Alian, head of the Israeli military’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), responsible for administering the siege on Gaza, explicitly declared Israel’s intention to bring about physical destruction to Palestinians in Gaza, stating: “Human animals must be treated as such. There will be no electricity and no water [in Gaza], there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell.”
Israel’s Minister of Economy Bezalel Smotrich stated, “Israel has a very clear message to our enemies. We are saying to them, look what’s happening in Gaza – you are going to get the same treatment if you attack us. We are going to wipe you off the face of the earth.”
And so on. Is that not clear enough? And Israel is going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties? I hardly think so. But, yes, UK and USA also sadly bombed innocent civilians in Irak (and other countries).
Sorry, my last point was too dismissive. Better would be, “UK and USA also sadly bombed thousands of innocent civilians in Irak …“.
What about Dresden and other German cities?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
London, Liverpool, Coventry – all also WWII bombing targets.
I upticked your comment before I’d read your last point. I agree with the rest of your comment, but not your last point. I want to hear the viewpoints of those I disagree with so I know how far the poison is spreading.
She needs to be careful. Most Muslims want nothing to do with Palestinians. Why does she think that other Muslim countries haven’t welcomed them in with open arms or recognised Palestine.
They don’t want Hamas being given a breather to start causing trouble in other Muslim countries.
These “politicians” come out with such garbage, what right has she to state that this country under Liebour or any other party for that matter will recognize Palestine? Since when did she and other MP’s speak for all?, why not try sorting out real issues in this country, a lot caused by said “religion” , instead of pouring petrol on the fire?
Labour is only just waking up to the fact that it is now holding a Militant Muslim tiger by the tail. And it’s only going to get worse ….. for them, but far more importantly, for us.
Nigel is right – as usual.
A Liebour government will ‘officially recognise the state of palestine’? Run by kidnappers, hostage-takers, gang-rapists, baby-murderers, torturers and killers, such a nightmare state would deserve an official visit from their staunch supporter Angela Rayner.
To please their muzlim client voters, this dreadful toadying woman wants to shame the UK along with Ireland, Spain and Norway whose politicians must be the lowest of the low.
I do hope those three countries are willing to take in ALL the Palestine refugees because we certainly don’t need them here to reinforce the muzlim belief that the UK is their country for the taking. They’re encouraged in that idea because Sad Khunt has already captured our capital with no let or hindrance from the pathetically spineless government.
The idea of Queer Starmer and his marxist mob in control is so obnoxious, so sickening, that I am torn between wishing I were much younger and eligible to emigrate to New Zealand (now that Horse-Face has gone); and being glad that I am old enough not to have TOO many years left to witness the further degradation of my beloved country.
Dystopia awaits.