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When Anders Tegnell Stood Alone

by Will Jones
23 March 2023 1:00 PM

To mark the third anniversary of the first U.K. lockdown, the excellent Allison Pearson has an interview in today’s Telegraph with Anders Tegnell, the heroic Swedish state epidemiologist who single-handedly saved Sweden from following the world into lockdown and, in doing so, gave us all a crucial example of what would really happen if the alarmist advice was not followed. Here’s an excerpt.

In March 2020, as, one by one, every country in the Western world succumbed to panic and imposed a lockdown on its population, Sweden’s state epidemiologist held his nerve and stuck to the plan. The Swedish people would be given sensible advice and told to work from home wherever possible, but apart from a ban on gatherings of over 50 people and a few rules for restaurants, any Covid measures were entirely voluntary. Anders Tegnell simply didn’t think the evidence supported a lockdown. A veteran of the swine flu pandemic who had worked with the deadly Ebola virus, the 63-year-old doctor wasn’t going to do something unproven or plain stupid because a lot of over-heated people were yelling at him to do it. 

This was Sweden’s first piece of good luck. Years earlier, Tegnell had been talent-spotted by Johan Giesecke, who then held the title of state epidemiologist himself. Giesecke singled out the young medic for his character, which he praised as “apolitical – one of those people who did what they were supposed to without reflecting too much on what was expedient or politically viable at the time” (A sort of anti-Matt Hancock). Tegnell possessed the same cool detachment that made his fellow Swede, Björn Borg, a great champion. He even shared the tennis star’s match-winning mantra: “Ice in the stomach.” 

Such qualities were to prove invaluable on the lonely and hugely controversial course that Tegnell charted through the COVID-19 pandemic. It was to become known as the “Swedish Experiment”. Reviled internationally, Tegnell was accused of playing Russian roulette with his population. He was a eugenicist who “doesn’t care if people die”. The New York Times actually ran a headline calling Sweden a pariah state. But, as a quietly modest but firmly unrepentant Anders Tegnell told me when we met recently at the university in his home town of Linkoping, it wasn’t Sweden that had opted for a vast experiment called lockdown 

“If you go back to the Spanish flu (1918-19), you can find instances when they tried to lock things down,” Tegnell says, “But in all the pandemic plans we have been discussing during the last decades, closing down a society has never even been on the agenda.” Shutting down could be of benefit for a short while, he concedes. “I mean, if you know that your healthcare system needs a few weeks to ramp up the ICU and so on, there are instances when such things can be a solution.”

Normally, though, you wouldn’t go down that route because an airborne respiratory virus was going to sweep through the population anyway. The best you could hope for was to slow it down while protecting the vulnerable. Weighing things up with his team at the Public Health Agency in Stockholm, Tegnell reckoned that the cost of lockdown – to the economy, children, education, general health and wellbeing – would be horrifyingly high. So why does he think the other countries went for it?

Anders (with charming Shwedish sibilance it’s pronounced “Andoosh”) reckons it was the brutal Chinese crackdown in Wuhan that inspired Western governments. “China is, of course, a state where [draconian] things like that can be done,” Tegnell says, “And it did work to a certain extent. So, for a while, there was an idea that we should have very strict measures like a hammer coming down. Bam! Bring the hammer down hard and then take the hammer away and then sort of let it slowly build up again and then, bam! But that never worked.”

Tegnell’s craggy visage – it has been described as a relief map of Chile – cracks a rueful smile. “We learn quite soon that it’s easy to start having different kinds of restrictions, but it’s very difficult to stop having them.” 

It sure is, when you know the virus will come roaring back. That was one problem lockdown advocates failed to foresee. To a remarkable extent, frightened people (the British were deliberately and professionally frightened by Government psychologists, remember) fell in love with their corona captivity. And that, in a nutshell, is how every country in Europe ended up suffering from Stockholm Syndrome while, in Stockholm, life went on. Things were quieter, definitely, but there were no billboards with scary pictures of Covid patients, no masks, no street furniture of fear.

Tegnell points proudly to mobile phone records which indicate that Swedes chose to restrict travel and social activities which were criminalised elsewhere. Could it have worked here in the U.K. without our fundamental freedoms being confiscated by emergency powers? Brits had already started to modify their behaviour before lockdown. If Tegnell was right, and it was fine for family members to see each other, for children to run around in playgrounds, were the British people victims of wrongful imprisonment?  

Today, Thursday March 23rd, seems a good day to ask those big questions. It is exactly three years since the then Prime Minister made a solemn TV announcement telling the British people “You must stay at home”. In contravention of every freedom-loving fibre in his body, Boris Johnson said that we would be banned from leaving our houses unless it was “shopping for essentials” or “one form of exercise a day”.

What exactly was “the science” behind only being allowed outside once a day? (Meanwhile Swedes were being told it was safest to be outdoors, especially for the elderly who wanted to mix. Swedish national parks had never had so many visitors, Tegnell says.) Few dared ask. The scientists who broadly agreed with the Swedish approach, like Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Carl Heneghan, were disgracefully either slandered or silenced.

“Three weeks to flatten the curve” turned into months of restrictions, some horribly cruel, others incomprehensibly potty as Boris’s imaginative account this week of Number 10’s breach of the rules reminds us. 

Sweden became hugely important to those of us who thought lockdown was bound to do more harm than good. The name Anders Tegnell acquired an almost talismanic power. Like Aslan in the Chronicles of Narnia, Tegnell represented a figure of unique moral resolve, resistant to the tyranny into which our own dear country had tumbled. 

So, in some strange way, my visit to Sweden felt more like a pilgrimage than an assignment, carrying with me a clutch of messages from Telegraph readers that I planned to read to him. The one from Lyn was typical: “Please tell Anders he was a beacon of hope for millions of people in the UK who wished our government had followed his sensible, science-based approach.” 

By the end of the first week of March 2020, as restrictions deepened across the world, Tegnell’s stoical, light-touch approach came under fire at home from other scientists and senior figures in the media. The political editor-in-chief of Dagens Nyheter, Sweden’s newspaper of record, tweeted that children being told to go back to the classroom after the February break was “incomprehensible”. The pressure mounted when neighbouring Denmark and Norway closed all schools on March 11th and 12th respectively. Still, Tegnell resisted. Over-16s and university students would move to remote learning, he agreed, but younger kids should be in class as normal. That was Tegnell’s red line. 

In the early morning of March 13th, Johan Giesecke sent his protégé an email containing a single line of Latin. “An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?” (Don’t you know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?)

The two veteran epidemiologists were privately aghast. “The world has gone mad,” Tegnell told colleagues. They were surprised, he says, by how quickly the politics took over in other countries. “We haven’t really seen that in major health threats for a long, long time. And the fact that the politicians then went as far as they did with so little evidence about what kind of effects they would get… In Sweden, it’s even written into the law that the health care should be driven by evidence-based medicine and that was so quickly left behind in other places.” 

This was Sweden’s second stroke of luck, I think. The country’s constitution forbids politicians from making public health decisions and gives all the power to Folkmyndigsheten (the Public Health Agency). Stefan Lofven, Sweden’s prime minister, was kept in the loop along with other ministers, but they played no part in the 2pm daily press briefings. Those were led by Anders Tegnell, who rapidly acquired the status of national hero. That craggy face was printed on T-shirts; the young even sported Tegnell tattoos.

Definitely worth reading in full.

Sweden did not have a ‘voluntary lockdown’ of course, as some now assert in order to salvage their lockdownism. As the chart below, based on mobile phone data, shows, during spring 2020 Swede’s only increased the time in their homes by about 10% and reduced their time in workplaces, shops, restaurants etc. by less than 25%. Even public transport use only dropped by 35%.

This contrasts with lockdown U.K., where use of workplaces dropped by 66% and use of shops, restaurants etc. by 77%. Residential use increased 25%.

Sweden was a beacon, of course, and Anders is a hero. In spring 2020 the country was the only clear control group that would allow us to verify the extraordinary claims of the lockdowners about what would happen if we didn’t follow their advice. And it proved those claims were very wrong – the more so as time went on.

However, giving such credit where it’s due doesn’t mean we need to pretend Sweden is the perfect model for how to do things next time. Sweden did much, much better than almost any other country in resisting restrictions. But it still imposed a number of measures that sceptics would not want to endorse. It closed education for those over 16 from March to September 2020 and banned gatherings over 50, prohibiting sports crowds, concerts, theatre audiences, large religious gatherings and so on. It kept this ban in place throughout 2020, something which Tegnell credited for preventing a summer rise in infections. In November 2020 it banned gatherings over eight people and the Prime Minister told Swedes: “Don’t go to gyms, don’t go to libraries, don’t host dinners. Cancel” – though this hard measure was notably not at the request of public health officials. The gathering limits were only lifted during summer 2021 – to be replaced by vaccine passports that winter. All restrictions finally came to an end in February 2022, two years after the first were imposed.

The lesson of Sweden, however, is not that these are the measures to imitate, but that no such measures are necessary or ultimately effective in response to an airborne respiratory virus. Studies of real-world data consistently fail to find any significant differences in outcomes from pandemic measures taken.

Tegnell is a legend whose place in history is assured. But even Sweden did not get everything right.

Tags: Anders TegnellCOVID-19LockdownLockdown harmsSweden

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
3 years ago

Are we still just a few weeks behind Italy?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

I fear that vaxxports will be “required” to Save Our Christmas.

England is only waiting to see how badly the Celtic Fringe mess up their imposition before following suit.

Once mandated, they will go from nightclubs, concerts and stadia, to all pubs, eateries, recreation and non-essential retail in no time.

Supermarkets and pharmacies might be a tougher sell, although at that point how much resistance will there really be to showing ze papers?

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Sorry Roger, I’m not following you around…but I’m inclined to agree. It’s gone a bit quiet suddenly. We’ve been getting back to some sort of day to day “normal”. It’s too good to last. The b@stards know tnis, they are going to fabricate “overwhelmed NHS” stories in the media and boom, in comes their oily, stinking Plan B, which was the only plan right from the start, complete with full vaxxine passport push to indeed, “save Christmas”! Never mind they’ve lost thousands of healthcare workers their jobs, because they exercised the right to not be pumped with the monkey gunk! People, hailed as heroes one minute, now classed as “selfish”, who worked their arses off this last 20 months and probably didn’t get ill! We have to prepare, it’s going to get very dark before the dawn.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

when NHS bosses restrict capacity (by making workers stay home because they have been near someone who once tested positive, or because they make the process of treatment more long-winded through pointless rituals such as masks and low capacity waiting rooms) they can create any overwhelming they want.

Even the private hospitals offering care have been bought out so they cannot allow people to pay and get better.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I think plan B was always the real plan A!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Yep!

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

They can keep their “Christmas”, if it’s about having the freedom to shop till we drop and stuff ourselves silly just for the sake of it. I’d prefer Christmas in a stable, to be honest.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

Yes, it is about having that freedom.

All opposed to that freedom are evil.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

Sure. The Roman census was about control.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

I think it’s clear that the objective here is to completely eradicate the possibility of any “placebo” or control group of citizens.

It still bugs them that Sweden was able to serve this role.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

And a few months behind Australia? Which apparently is now the template for the rest of the world.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

About six.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

The Government hopes the pass will encourage unvaccinated Italians to get the jab.

No, the Government hopes that enough Italians have submitted to the clot shots so that they can enforce the social credit score apps.

The “virus” got us to the “vaccines”, and the “vaccines” got us to the “vaccine passports”.

They have always been the goal, and now we see why.

Control. Power. Presumption of guilt.

Fascists gotta fash.

We’re not far behind.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Italy was once “everything in the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside the state”
now it’s the medico-fascism of “everyone is jabbed, noone against the jabs, noone unjabbed”

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Correct, fascism’s coming home. Very telling that the Italian vaxists comprise the government, media, major corporations and, tellingly, the trade unions. Just like the good old days.

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dudeUpNorth
dudeUpNorth
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Just like in the UK unfortunately. I see emails from a teachers union EIS, the biggest teachers union up here in Scotland. My wife is teacher and she never reads them, just me as I like to she the guff they push.
The only thing they have banged on for the last year and half is covid, only in the last few months has there been anything but covid in them. Can you guess what they are talking about now? Climate change! Now that’s a surprise, not!
No mention of the children and their outcomes, problems they may be having, or even slightly focusing on the service they should be providing for all to the kids.
It actually angers me each time I read them. These unions are pushing this shit as they are immoral insider scum paid to push the line.
My wife just wants to teach kids and hopefully improve their futures with sound education, this is not something this union gives two hoots about just now, they would rather virtue signal about stuff that has no affect on anyone at school.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  dudeUpNorth

Climate change, huh? Next they will probably talk about gender dysphoria, if they haven’t already started.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Don’t forget it’s don’t be racist month.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  dudeUpNorth

We’re in the same boat. My wife is also a school teacher and I get the same publications. It requires only a cursory glance to see the propaganda these organizations and leaders are pushing.

And, yes, one would have to be blind and obtuse not to have picked up on the importance of “saving the climate” to their long-term agenda. But this agenda is now being fast-tracked.

… So once we get past COVID, even more draconian measures are in store for us all to save the planet (and the children of course).

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ZR_
ZR_
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

“Very telling that the Italian vaxists comprise the government, media, major corporations and, tellingly, the trade unions”

Yet interestingly it doesn’t comprise the actual fascists https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-fascism-still-rears-its-ugly-head-in-italy/a-59483231

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  ZR_

Oh geez, what a convoluted mess we are in .. I am holding onto the Idea that we are in the chrysalis, dissolving into a soup, from which we will reform as a beautiful butterfly that just sips nectar instead of devouring everything in sight…

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  ZR_

As with most ideologies, fascism can present in various different ways. Established fascist groups are very much still in the WW2-era mould. Covidianism is a new evolution of fascism – it’s superficially different and therefore many people don’t see it for what it is, its ‘enemies’ are not those who fascist groups usually target, but it’s identifiably fascism nonetheless, e.g:

  • Obsessive state power (Mussolini was explicit about this being a core tenet of fascism)
  • ‘Cult of Action’ (part of Eco’s definition of fascism) – we’ve seen this repeatedly: if the options are do nothing or do something stupid and vicious which casues huge damage, most governments have opted for the latter
  • Promoting conformism and exploiting people’s natural reluctance to go against the herd – and exacerbating this by clear government contempt for anyone who doesn’t conform
  • Common enemies (anyone against restrictions, coerced vaccinations, or who tries to counter the propaganda)
  • Control of the MSM
  • Protection and prioritisation of corporate interests, which are presented as being in the interests of the population as a whole (despite this being obviously untrue)
  • Contempt for the rights of anyone who doesn’t agree with them
  • Over-use of police and military power against anyone who has been scapegoated as a domestic enemy (Australia being a prime example)
  • “security” used as a justification – in this case rather than the ‘enemy’ being another country or a particular ethnic group, it is the nebulous concept of “keep people safe” from an airborne pathogen – which is impossible to achieve while at the same time giving them an excuse (which the majority of the population seems to accept) for totalitarian behaviour.
  • Contempt for intellectualism – despite all the “follow The Science” bollocks, the reality is that they only listen to and give a voice to those who say what they want to hear – any scientist saying the opposite is ruthlessly suppressed, no matter how well qualified they are to comment. The vaccination of kids demonstrates that if their approved scientists don’t give the required answer they are quite prepared to ignore the advice. They also persistently rely on ‘modelling’, because the mounting real-world actual scientific data demonstrates that the outcome of following “The Science” is not at all what they claim.

I’m sure the list could go on, but that’s enough for now..

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

You can add another: rules imposed by a self-conferred elite.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

You are with us or you are against us. Those who do not comply are a threat to “safety” and society. So we get: “It’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” We get mass discrimination and segregation – pushed by the elites and State … and bizarrely cheered on by the masses who clearly crave to be protected by a central government nanny. The masses also clearly revel in subjugating those who don’t think as they do (or as they are told).

Needless to say, all elements of our New Normal are a tad disconcerting to those of us who woke up one morning to find we are now undesirables.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

And already coming to a place near us.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

You beat me to it! When, oh, when will people REALISE this!

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I would have the most awesome social credit, if it weren’t for this jab nonsense. I am a model citizen. But they are turning me into a revolutionary.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

it’s not really social credit it’s cattle treats. Making populations easier to herd and farm.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Herd, farm and slaughter.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

My social credit score will get me tossed into a gulag soon enough.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Ditto, and I said exactly that on the gov.uk survey into the ‘value’ of vax passes too. I didn’t identify myself of course and I am sure my notice of non-compliance has already been consigned to the digital waste basket.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

That is so true. To my shame, years ago when people objected to the idea of ID, cctv, Facebook ‘knowing everything you do’, etc etc…I wasn’t bothered. In fact, I used to say to people ‘I don’t mind – I’ve nothing to hide.’ I NEVER realised that this was going to be part of blackmailing me into having something injected into my body that I do not want and will never be able to get rid of! I just didn’t see it coming. But, eighteen months ago, for some reason, I was one of those who could see. I often think it would have been easier if I was one of the 90% – if I was like a FB friend of mine who posted the other day ‘Had my booster, and flu shot today – we are so lucky to live in this country!’ But, dammit, the eyes were yanked open in Feb 20 and I now question just about everything I’ve ever understood from the instruments of propaganda that have worked tirelessly on me since birth.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I’m sure your friend won’t be interested but the flu vaccines have been shown to offer zero benefit.

‘The data included 170 million episodes of care and 7.6 million deaths. Turning 65 was associated with a statistically and clinically significant increase in rate of seasonal influenza vaccination. However, no evidence indicated that vaccination reduced hospitalizations or mortality among elderly persons. The estimates were precise enough to rule out results from many previous studies.’

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M19-3075

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Yep. But – she’s had it. I think I’d show her if she was vacillating about the vaccination.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I’ve researched government statistics and newspaper accounts dealing with past flu seasons.

In EVERY article I have saved about some past flu outbreak, the article includes this requisite statement or quote: “But so and so stressed that it’s not too late to get your flu shot …”

I mean the entire story before this quote documented that the damn flu shot wasn’t preventing the flu.

If I was penning these stories, I would write, “this year’s flu jab is not a match with the actual flu strain and doesn’t prevent the flu, but officials stressed everyone should still get it anyway.”

Which, I guess is why I don’t have a job at a mainstream media news organization. I don’t think my editors would let me include a sentence to that effect.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Those over 65 are highly flu jabbed. These people make up the demographic that got the Covid-19 scam off the ground. You get flu jabbed at your peril.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

There are many similarities. For example, with the flu jab, we are told even if the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting the flu, it will make the case you do get milder (which is no doubt bogus).

We also never get convincing information on how “effective” the flu jab really is (or isn’t).

For years now we have been told/conditioned to “get our flu jab,” which no doubt did lay the psychological groundwork for people to get their COVID jab.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

Our naivety has been counted on for a long time. Everyone is waking up to it in their own time, which is bloody frustrating but seemingly just how it is. It’s a thrilling ride…. 😱

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

Thrilling and chilling.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Ha ha! As would I. I’ve always had a bit of f*ck the system though, I was just waiting for the right time to let it out!

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I also think the “end game” includes the push to ban cash and have all money digital. People apparently no longer have autonomy over their own bodies. Soon we will no longer have possession over “our” own money either.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Cash is tracked already more than many think. But yes.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

money is just a token for our time (exchanged with others), so it’s just an extension of the seizing of bodily autonomy like income taxes are.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

When cash is outlawed – and this (to me) is obviously the goal/plan – it’s game over for this concept known as personal freedom. I don’t know why more people don’t realize this … or maybe I do – when the education system and press have been co-opted and controlled, you eventually have enough people influenced by same who don’t understand what’s being done to them or why.

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

A bit off topic but I was down in Bournemouth visiting my Mum this week. We went out for a walk and on parking in the public car park found the old ticket machine replaced with one of those card only machines. One lady who had just walked up to the machine got very irrate as she only had a couple of coins in her pocket for the parking. She shouted as she stamped away ‘I hate this bloody world’ I’d have loved to talk and find out more about what she ‘hated’ as I suspect she was ‘one of us’.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

I’ve been that lady…

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Time to seriously look at other models, particularly living in the gift, I think.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Technically, all your bank accounts can already be frozen by flipping a switch. All that is required is a false pretense that you are a bad guy (and all the rich people of course know it very well, that’s why they “hide” from the government).

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Vaccine passports are also a means. The goal is the ever-increasing totalitarian control over every aspect of life of a very heavily culled (and constantly “weeded”) population.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

They are a distributed system for checking centrally managed permissions.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I would suggest that the “vaccines” are much more than just stepping stones to “vaccine” passports and that the passports themselves are only a way of enforcing vaccine compliance. The never ending vaccines will be the process which takes us along the rocky road to the trans-humanised world, that is so beloved of certain globalists. It seems likely to me though, that most of us are not meant to survive this bumpy ride to the Klaus Schwab Wunderland and a such the vaccines have a very important and continuing role to play.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Yes, the two aspects are tied in with each other.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

But which one’s the 🛒 and which one’s the 🐴?

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MrkMtchll
MrkMtchll
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

why are all the crap ideas in this world from Germans?
Marx, Hitler, Schwab, etc.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Jam For Freedom Rallies Against Forced Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vnqmh5-jam-for-freedom-rallies-against-forced-vaccines.html

We won’t quite be Jamming For Freedom on Saturday but we will be Standing and Walking for Freedom

https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.1.0/svg/2764.svg Saturday 16th October 1pmhttps://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.1.0/svg/2764.svg
Hold the Line Stand by the Road (bring your Boards & Banners) event 
– plus walk to the Town Centre
Stafferton Way Maidenhead SL6 1AY

Stand in the Park 
Make friends – keep sane – talk freedom and have a laugh

Wokingham Stand in the Park Howard Palmer Gardens RG40 2HD Sundays 10am
behind the Cockpit Path car park in the centre of the town
Telegram http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell 
Bracknell Stand in the Park South Hill Park Sundays 10am & Wednesdays 2pm  
Telegram http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell
Reading Stand in the Park River Promenade Sundays 10am  
Telegram https://t.me/standindparkreading

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

the resistance must grow all over the world

Jam For Freedom Rallies Against Forced Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vnqmh5-jam-for-freedom-rallies-against-forced-vaccines.html

We won’t quite be Jamming For Freedom on Saturday but we will be Standing and Walking for Freedom

Saturday 16th October 1pm
Hold the Line Stand by the Road (bring your Boards & Banners) event 
– plus walk to the Town Centre
Stafferton Way Maidenhead SL6 1AY

Stand in the Park 
Make friends – keep sane – talk freedom and have a laugh

Wokingham Stand in the Park Howard Palmer Gardens RG40 2HD Sundays 10am
behind the Cockpit Path car park in the centre of the town
Telegram http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell 

Last edited 3 years ago by Lockdown Sceptic
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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

The way to smash the emerging superstate is to smash the state.

So glad I have learned my youthful anarchism was right all along.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

It needs chemo, it’s gone metastatic.

Last edited 3 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Before we can “drain the swamp” we are going to have to purge the newsrooms. As long as the “gatekeepers of the news” are running interference to protect all the faux narratives, the prospects of any real truths emerging (and changing these bogus narratives) … is probably nil.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Journalism has transformed. Citizen journalists and experts in areas talking directly to people, not filtered through journos, are the new direction. The newsroom is over. And frankly, it deserved to be over a very long time ago.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago

From article: “Workplaces that don’t comply with the rules also face being fined.”

This is the MO around the world – compel businesses to enforce the government’s mandates.

They also did this with mask mandates.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Fascism (now rebranded as stakeholder capitalism when it’s distinctly not capitalist) is the fusion of the state (the stakeholder pretending to be society) and business… The real aim is to stealthily increase costs and shift these artificial costs into rent-seeking establishment “profits”.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

To prosper in business today, corporations have to “play ball” with government. Those that do are rewarded; those that don’t risk going out of business. Of course the big corporations don’t mind at all if their smaller would-be competitors disappear.

This is also why lobbying became the most important department of corporations.

I still think it’s interesting to look at the stock price of Twitter when it was actually a forum for free speech and then, later, once it decided to join the club.

You can also look at the journalists and editors who “play ball” and prosper … and those who don’t. There are no (mainstream) journalists who go against the club.

Last edited 3 years ago by BillRiceJr
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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

“it’s distinctly not capitalist“

Oh – but it is. Capitalism, if not bounded, automatically tends to monopoly control – aka totalitarianism.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You’ver got it wrong government automatically seeks monopoly, monopoly AKA title is there main real product (which is subsidised and untaxed to feed the establishment).

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I am from the opposite end of the political spectrum to RickH but I have to agree with what he says above. There a lots of cases where this has happened, and most/all of the time they’ve led to trouble. Markets don’t always work. The US, often looked at as an arch-capitalist country, broke up lots of monopolies.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes, and I think all this is showing us how “isms” themselves are part of the problem. This site is a fantastic demonstration of how when the shit really hits the fan we see that there are values more important than all our isms and I think we are also waking up to the fact that it suits those controling the agenda to keep us in our different ism camps.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, the basic problem is “monopoly”. It does not matter where the monopolist’s power comes from – whether it is the guns of a communist despot or the money of a capitalist corporation. The problem is there is no effective counterweight to one party’s power, which makes it possible for the party to exploit and subjugate everyone else. The problem is “authoritarian versus liberal” (in the original sense of the word “liberal”, which of course has been recently perverted to mean the opposite), not “left versus right”.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

We’ve never really had real capitalism imo. What we definitely have now is “crony capitalism.” Ron Paul makes this point all the time.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Speaks to the shaky legal ground it’s all on though doesn’t it…

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago

If “Casablanca” was remade today, the central plot device wouldn’t be “letters of transit;” it would be vaccine passports.

…. I actually read somewhere that there was no such thing as “letters of transit” in Casablanca. It was simply a plot device. But it’s dang sure real today.

Last edited 3 years ago by BillRiceJr
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Old Bill
Old Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Good analogy and also one of my favourite films.

Who do you fancy more, Ingrid Bergman or Greta Thunberg?

Those swedes certainly explore the boundaries of attractiveness don’t they?

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

That’s also my favorite film. I just didn’t know the themes and plot devices would end up being so prescient.

The difference is in Casablanca there were a few countries people seeking freedom – or running from oppression – could still flee. Most wanted to go to America. America is no better than any other place today.

Still, we could use a few more Victor Lazlo’s. Even Rick and Louie eventually joined the fight.

“This time I know our side will win” – Victor told Rick.

I don’t know if that’s the case today.

Last edited 3 years ago by BillRiceJr
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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

There are parts of the USA still looking promising…

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

And large numbers of people are “voting with their feet” to move to these states, a trend that will no doubt accelerate. Still, the federal government holds all the trump cards and increasingly doesn’t mind imposing its will.

At some point, the S word is going to become commonplace.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Isn’t that what the civil war was about? I understand individual states still have more rights to do their own thing than in many countries. Do they have enough for the likes of Texas to hold out against vaxports etc.?

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

But the airports are Federal 😟

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

Welcome back, Mussolini!

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

“It is time to stop the economy, which is perhaps the only way we can show this Government that many people are struggling,” 

Unfortunately, slowing/stopping the economy is all part of the Reset agenda, so Rome will watch on as the citizens do their bidding.
Target those responsible, not ordinary people.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Disagree. Stopping society is the only weapon we possess.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Peaceful disobedience will stop the agenda without threatening wages and livelihoods. Then those responsible can be held to account from a position of strength.

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago

Viviane Fisher from Corona Ausschuss taking part in todays’ session from Genoa, Italy, to make connections with Italian resistance. She said it was a ship building company’s workers action which are resisting the vaccinations and green pass, and vaccinated workers are in solidarity, who are a leading force in this.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Echoes of Poland’s Solidarnośc – go shipbuilders!

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago

I wonder if the fascists doing this in Italy will end up like the last one and his wife. Keep pushing and they’ll find out, I guess.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

One can but hope.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

“Sky News has the story”

News of protests making the MSM? Times they are a’ changin.

But I expect the protesters will be described as essentially domestic terrorists.

Even the Guardian, which in normal times would love a good General Strike, is on the side of the Establishment against the workers.

Last edited 3 years ago by realarthurdent
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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The Guardian is now an essential part of the Establishment.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

In December 2019 the WHO had a vaccine summit where they were filmed openly admitting that the most basic vaccine safety studies have not been carried out. They also discussed that the number of people rejecting vaccines as being safe and effective was rapidly growing and that this was a problem because so many people were now reliant on artificial vaccine immunity rather than natural immunity.
If people were rejecting their booster shots that would mean the artificial and inferior immunity would fail (not to mention a loss of profits for pharma)
Then as if by magic all their problems vanished with the introduction of the vaccine passports that force people to be jabbed with whatever they say.

SHOCKING VACCINE ADMISSIONS FROM INSIDE THE WHO
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOXtTS4djENX/

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

Burn the whole fucking place down, someone has to go first.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Yep, grind the whole fecking country to a halt and create havoc! It’s beyond marching with placards now. People need to up their game and channel that anger wisely.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

It’s very hard for some people to grasp the extreme nature of what is happening in front of their own eyes.

The Covid pandemic, with its glut of senseless restrictions and the coming health passports, is a total scam designed to push people into baring their arms for are almost certainly lethal injections masquerading as vaccines.

A program of mass genocide by “vaccine” is already underway across most of the world and our only hope now lies with sustained and very determined resistance.

Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

As a vaccinated person I fully support these strikes. I don’t care if they have any negative consequences on me. As far as I’m concerned, you can turn off the heating, electricity and basically stop everything from working until those corrupt/idiot individuals who enforce this new discrimination are finally expunged from office.

Yet more effective would be to deny service at all levels to the decision makers specifically, but it is unfortunately difficult to arrange. However, because a check of vaccination status also includes an identity check (that’s what the whole surveillance state is so hot after), it certainly not impossible to simply discriminate against politicians. All that is required is “goodwill” from those who are asked to enforce the rules. Let the legislative fuckers have a taste of their own medicine.

Meanwhile, in Hessen, Germany supermarkets are now allowed to check vaccination status (though none are using this option yet).

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Grateful for your stance here. I know you get a lot of flack on this site!

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

What is Hessen trying to achieve by allowing supermarkets to check vax status? Allow them to ban shoppers? They are not allowed to do that. Have a separate time slot for unvaxxed shoppers?

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

So, I just looked this up on German sources.
A lot of local authorities have introduced a rule that businesses can choose to operate under 2G rules (2G = injected/recovered). These rules allow the business to eg allow more “freedoms” more customers at once, no masks.
Shops of all kinds were exempt from this rule, mask wearing is still compulsory, restrictions on numbers apply.
A small business owner went to court and wanted equality with other businesses serving the public. The court rules that shops can apply 2G.
Supermarkets do fall into this category, but they are legally required to allow access to all people. Even the mask mandate does not apply, but one needs to be very certain to be able to argue your case.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Sadly you are wrong that “supermarkets are legally required to allow access to all people”. This was the rule during the normal normality, but not in the new normality.

There have already been cases of supermarkets banning all kids (!) during this pandemic in 2020 on the grounds of kids being “infection spreaders” and posing an “increased danger” to staff and thus to the operations of the supermarket. Apparently this law can be used to ban kids like it could be used before to ban drunks. No legal action was taken against those supermarkets. Newspapers recommended customers to “just go shopping elsewhere”.

https://www.chip.de/news/In-Zeiten-von-Corona-Duerfen-Supermaerkte-Kindern-den-Zutritt-verweigern_182594500.html

On Cyprus, which is also in EU, supermarkets have been successfully banning unvaccinated and untested people for a good while now. So the only difference with 2G in Germany ist that they could now ban the unvaccinated altogether (none of the supermarkets will do it because they are not crazy, as it seems; but legally there is nothing to stop them).

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Probably to humiliate them and to make them feel marginalised and excluded – it’s been a standard tactic of Covidiansim, and remains a favourite with governments.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Unvaxxed happy hour could work. Presumably we wouldn’t need to wear masks as we’re all going to die of selfishness soon anyway.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

“As a vaccinated person I fully support these strikes.” Good to know. If they vaxxed don’t support the sceptic cause, we are lost.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

What “we the people” should start doing now is collect all the vaccination QR codes of politicians etc. and post them publicly on the Internet. By gathering these QR codes a decentralized database can then be built, and also an app which allows us to specifically exclude these QR codes, and by saying QR codes I mean “persons”, from public life.

Either, if the employer cooperates, using very official house rules (“we don’t serve this customer”), or, as is more likely, if the employer is reluctant and house rules cannot be altered, by simply relying on initiative of individual checkers. For example, when covertly checking for the persona-non-grata status, a “technical problem” could be claimed with their vaxxpassport – and they still could be turned away on that grounds. If they wish to complain to management, they can, but if they have to do it every time they set foot in various public places, then maybe it will also have an educational effect.

Last edited 3 years ago by rayc
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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

BTW, if you think collecting other people’s vaccination QR codes would be against the law – not a problem. Rather than storing the QR code, you can store a one-way hash of the QR code, yielding no personally identifiable data in the final database. But you can still compute the same one-way hash whenever you need to check whether a given QR-code is in the database. So you can discriminate as much as you want without storing or checking identity, just based on the damn QR code alone.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

What would be even better would be to set up a bounty system for excluding the particularly troublesome and vile indviduals. For example, if as a restaurant bouncer you manage to provably identify exclude Mario Draghi or Fauci from entering your fine establishment, you should be able to obtain a big cryptocurrency reward from supporters. I’m sure enough people would be willing to sponsor this sort of witch hunt to make it worthwhile for the bouncers and a nightmare for the witches.

The main point is that QR code/identity checking makes this all technically possible.

Last edited 3 years ago by rayc
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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Viva Italia!

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago

Corona Ausschuss had an interview with the suspended deputy commander of the Rome Police Force today. 3 weeks ago she held a speech at a rally as a private person opposing the Green Pass (she is a lawyer).
I haven’t seen the English version, she spoke Italian and was translated to German. English version on Odysee which seems to have technical problems today.
The most important from that interview was that the Green Pass is unconstitutional, which was written after 1945 and in a way to prevent fascism.
There is a general strike today in Italy. which of course gets ignored by the MSM. A lot of vaccinated people are against a Green Pass system, too, and there is a lot of opposition.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

….

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

I’m Jewish and in no way do I find this sign inappropriate or disrespectful.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

What if you’re in Italy and you refuse a “vaccine” or a test? Take up robbing?

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

The Italians are familiar with Fascism. This time we won’t be coming …. they’ll have to save themselves.

Draghi deserves the same fate as Mussolini.

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Cashmere
Cashmere
3 years ago

“The Covid vaccine 19 it will not be mandatory in France. The Senate rejected yesterday 13 October the bill presented at the end of August by the socialists with 262 votes against, 64 in favor (the entire socialist group and three senators from the center and right) and 14 abstentions. The government also expressed its opposition: “We prefer to convince than to force”, said Adrien Taquet, Secretary of State for Children and the Family.” from Italy News.

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