Is Jonathan Sumption being wilfully blind? I ask this because I’ve always identified with the libertarian/Sumption wing of lockdown scepticism. Certainly, my principal objection to Covid policies has been the denial of individual rights and freedoms. For listeners of London Calling, think of me as Team Toby rather than Team James.
Jonathan Sumption was very sound on the issue of lockdowns, but he’s been far less strident in objecting to the Government’s coercive behaviour when it came to vaccination. He has now written an article in the Telegraph that lays the blame for excess deaths at the door of the NHS’s failure to pick up and treat principally cancers during the lockdowns. My objection to his thesis is that it’s wrong.
Sumption writes:
But the contribution of lockdowns to long-term excess deaths from other causes is becoming increasingly obvious.
The clearest case is cancer.
I agree with him that the lockdowns caused untold harm to people’s physical and mental health. But I worry that this diagnosis – ‘it’s the lockdowns wot done it’ – plays a little too neatly into the Government narrative of laying the blame on the effective shutdown of the NHS during the lockdowns, when it seems all too likely that the real fault lies with the Government’s abdication of responsibility to the ‘blob’, and the bio-medical tyranny that followed.
I don’t wholly blame the vaccines for excess deaths. Sweden vaccinated a higher proportion of its population than we have, yet we don’t see such high levels of excess death there. However, the deaths of Lisa Shaw and many others are directly attributable to the vaccines. Clearly, the vaccines have killed some people who, in the absence of vaccination would not have died. Sumption’s article ignores both vaccination and the coercive measures adopted to get people vaccinated, which meant that far more people than was ever warranted found themselves taking under-tested vaccines.
This article tests some of Sumption’s assumptions.
Let’s start by looking at excess cancer deaths over the past 33 months.
Figure 1 is taken from the Office for Health Improvements and Disparities’ interactive website (a brilliant resource, hats off to the wonks who produced it). It shows excess cancer deaths right through the pandemic period and up to the end of 2022. During this period, it was expected that we’d see 433,149 cancer deaths. In the event, 441,768 cancer deaths were registered – 8,619, or 2%, more than were expected. Tough if one of those extra deaths is you, but in the grand scheme of things not a figure to generate much alarm.
Figure 2 shows excess cancer deaths for just 2022. They were less than 1% above the expected rate.
Professor Angus Dalgleish has stated that mRNA vaccines seem to be causing or reactivating dormant cancers. Cancers tend to be pretty slow burn, there may be a wave of cancer deaths coming down the track, but as yet fatality rates don’t reflect this. Jonathan Sumption’s assumption that cancer is the main driver of excess deaths is evidently wrong.
Before going on, let’s just test the assumption that all-cause mortality was indeed higher than expected in 2022. Figure 3 shows all-cause U.K. excess deaths over the past year. You can see that in the second half of 2022, excess deaths were running in the range of 10%-20%, clearly, breaking the 20% barrier in the last couple of weeks of the year. Contrast those figures to the cancer deaths (shown in figure 2) in December 2022, which are significantly below the expected level. Cancer didn’t contribute much to excess deaths.
Figure 4 demonstrates that the U.K. isn’t alone in seeing excess deaths, in fact we’re about mid table. Just to give a bit of context to the chart in figure 4, I’ve added a right-hand scale showing approximately what the excess level of deaths means in terms of all-cause deaths. It varies country to country, but as a rule of thumb about 1% of the population die in any year. That’s 10,000 per million, so excess deaths of 1,000 per million represents about a 10% increase in expected deaths. So, whatever is driving excess deaths, and we know it’s not Covid, is having an impact in multiple countries.
In addition to cancer, Sumption points the finger at Alzheimer’s and ischaemic heart disease. He writes: “Cancer is far from being the only issue. Excess deaths from ischaemic heart and Alzheimer’s disease rose rapidly during the lockdowns and have continued high.”
Let’s see how deaths from dementia and Alzheimer’s compare to expected levels. There were 270,172 such deaths over the past three years, compared to expected deaths of 261,081. Excess deaths were 9,091, or 3.3%, more than expected. If we look at dementia and Alzheimer’s for just 2022 we see that there were 7,527 fewer deaths than were expected. So, all-cause excess deaths weren’t being driven by dementia and Alzheimer’s.
If it wasn’t cancer, dementia or Alzheimer’s, what about Sumption’s final option of ischaemic heart disease? Figure 6 shows the data from the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities website for all cardiovascular disease, ischaemic heart disease and heart failure. Over the past three years, deaths from heart related diseases have been about 14% higher than expected.
Figure 7 shows deaths from heart failure for just 2022. Certainly, deaths from heart failure are significantly elevated, getting on for 15% above the expected level.
Where does this lead us? Indeed, where does it leave Jonathan Sumption? Figure 8 uses data from the Office for Health Improvements and Disparities to rank the largest to smallest contributors to excess deaths in 2022. All-cause cardiovascular deaths and other circulatory diseases are out in front. The catch-all terms are primarily made up of heart disease and ischaemic heart disease.
Cancer, chronic respiratory disease and dementia have had the least impact on excess deaths.
A 15% increase in heart failure is significant but it isn’t Armageddon. Team James conspiracy theorists may still hold out, but this doesn’t look like genocide. Of course, the jury is still out on what the longer-term consequences will be for cancer. But to date, cancer deaths appear to have been remarkably normal.
Looking at the data, the claims and counter claims, it’s also undeniable that there is a lot of ‘noise’ in the data. In 2020 and early 2021, undoubtedly, Covid claimed many victims who were very ill with one of these comorbidities. In addition, conditions such as urinary tract infections were exacerbated by the lockdowns. Trying to identify cause and effect will continue to be debated.
While Chris Whitty has attempted to place the blame on the failure of the NHS to prescribe enough statins and other medications during the lockdowns, Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson have queried whether there has been a significant reduction in statins, and have further demonstrated that any reductions in statins has had minimal impact on deaths.
Jonathan Sumption, along with Chris Whitty, has done his best not to see the elephant in the room. But while the vaccines aren’t wiping out whole swathes of the population, we know that they can cause heart problems, and it’s heart problems that are the biggest cause of excess deaths. It’s time this was addressed.
Stop Press: Toby Green and Thomas Fazi, authors of the The Covid Consensus, have done an analysis of excess deaths across Europe for UnHerd. After considering all the usual suspects, they conclude:
Finally, there is one possible explanation that has to be considered, at least as a contributing factor for the rise in non-Covid excess deaths: the role of the vaccines, in particular those from Pfizer and Moderna that use the new mRNA technology. This is a hyper-polarising issue, so let’s start with what we know: the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are associated with a higher risk of developing myocarditis (heart inflammation), especially in younger males (possibly due to the spike protein generated by the vaccine circulating in the blood), and other serious adverse events such as blood clots. This is confirmed by a number of studies (see, for example, here, here, here, here, and here) and even by the CDC’s own data. There is quite a lot of variability between the studies, but they appear to suggest that, with young people, the risk from the vaccine may well outweigh the risk from Covid or from post-Covid myocarditis.
That said, proving a connection between vaccine-related harms and the disproportionately high number of young people dying at the moment is not straightforward. However, a number of studies — such as a recent analysis by Martin Neil, professor of computer science and statistics at Queen Mary University in London, and Norman Fenton, a mathematician and leading expert on risk assessment and statistics — do show a statistically significant correlation between vaccination rates and excess mortality.
To what extent this correlation actually implies causation does, of course, remain unclear. But just as lockdowns are clearly a factor, it seems unwise to rule out the vaccines as a contributing factor without proper investigation — the point is that we simply don’t know, as we don’t have enough data to establish or disprove a link. Ultimately, the causes of the excess deaths are probably varied, and involve a combination of factors. This shouldn’t be surprising, since lockdowns and vaccines were always connected in the pandemic response. But we shall never know for sure if we don’t start asking these uncomfortable questions — especially when our politicians and public-health experts seem reluctant to do so themselves.
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Sumption is IMO deserving of a lot of respect for his principled stand against lockdowns. I do sometimes think that establishment figures struggle a bit with the notion that people within their circles could be flagrantly corrupt and evil to the extent that some of there think they are.
Totally agree. I think they often give too much benefit of the doubt, whereas those of us outside can objectively see the corruption.
It always seemed to that TY had a somewhat overly rosy view of the ex-PM for similar reasons.
I’m reminded of the Philby, Burgess, Maclean, Blunt business – they were suspected for years but no-one spoke up because they somehow couldn’t quite accept that “one of their own” could betray them so completely.
I think perhaps they struggle when it comes to data analysis… the quantitative rather than the qualitative.
Perhaps some do. But I think the more deep rooted problem is that they just can’t imagine people they know well could be wicked. I think it’s The Big Lie phenomenon:
In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think there may be some other explanation.
The cause of excess deaths seems to be a combination of factors, yes the vaccines are killing people, young people who would not otherwise have died. Those are undeniably excess deaths. But to get to a rate of up to 20% as we saw at the back end of 2022 it must be a combination of factors and trying to pin the blame on one individual cause might actually assist the Government in covering up the issue.
Its great to have a debate, certainly the Government won’t be looking too hard into this but we have to remember that more than one person can be right but we have to stop focusing on what is the ‘biggest’ cause and look at all the causes.
And one last point that is worth repeating, regardless of whether or not lockdowns will cost more lives than they saved, is that they should never have been considered in a free society in the first place. It was simply wrong for the Government to take control of our everyday lives in the way that they did, no matter how bad it was feared that Covid might get.
‘… it must be a combination of factors and trying to pin the blame on one individual cause…’
Perhaps that misses the point? It is not a case of pining the blame on one cause, ie mRNA inoculations, but to prevent that as one of the causes being excluded… vehemently denied, covered up… with a blizzard of other possibilities being used to distract attention.
The Establishment line is: we don’t know what exactly is causing these excess deaths, multiple factors probably, but we are sure it’s not the vaccines.
Sumption speaks well on matters pertaining to philosophy, law and human rights, but on matters medical, his insights parallel my knowledge of the law. Perhaps the message is not to stray too far beyond one’s area of expertise, as any legal expert would counsel.
A sound appraisal Dr G.
Excess dead and injured – only to get worse.
1-Stabbinations
2-Lockdowns and their effects (including record suicides in young age groups alcoholism, opioid overdoses, lack of care access, psyops etc).
3-Long term pyschological effects of the 3 year terror campaign (can take time to manifest in an individual, but your body does react to your mind).
4-Long term effects of stabbinated poisons (blood poisoning, organ poisoning can take a while to manifest).
Rona policies are in general to blame. The NHS, as useless as ever, can’t be blamed (overwhelmed etc) because that constant variable (performance poverty), has little changed.
Sumption openly endorsed vax passports saying it was a price worth paying to get society back to normality.
So he’s not very clever. Because that clearly doesn’t get society back to normality, it polarises it and leaves a big seething pile of resentment.
And the jabs didn’t work, so he’s doubly dumb.
Just goes to show how dumb you can still be even being a judge or a lord.
It’s important not to demand too much ideological purity of people. Lord Sumption was hugely important in the battle against the lockdown fanatics. It doesn’t mean we should turn all these people who spoke out into unimpeachable heroes and and assume that they will agree with everything we think.
Sarah Vine was also an important voice speaking out against the Government, especially given who she was married to at the time. She ended up divorcing her Government minister husband, who was a hardcore lockdowner. She was also in favour of vaccines. That shouldn’t devalue her other important contributions.
So Lord Sumption has a different opinion on some issues? So be it. On the whole, I believe he has contributed far more good than bad to the debate. He’s also now probably got a 77th Brigade file as fat as Boris Johnson’s bottom!!
You’re right that no one is perfect and having some views that one may disagree with shouldn’t set aside the views that were sound.
But the nazi pass was a step too far, no one, and I mean absolutely no one, should ever have supported it. It was an abomination, because it in essence led to people being forced to take part in a medical experiment they didn’t want to take part it. By using the pass, they could (and happily do now) claim that no one was ‘forced’. They bloody well were, it just wasn’t straightforward physical force. It was not a price worth paying to open up society, as society could simply have opened up and people could have chosen what risk they wished to accept. Those who were afraid and believed the vaxx would save them could be ‘protected’, why should they have cared whether someone else got sick? This led to the theory that those who were unvaxxed would unfairly take up hospital beds – this opens up the path to making it acceptable to deny health care to anyone based on whether they have ‘behaved’ properly or not. This leads to making it possible to force people to take treatment they do not want or otherwise denying them things they have paid for through their taxes or insurance if they refuse – someone who doesn’t want a future vaxx, chemotherapy, diabetes or blood pressure medication – they too can be treated like lepers if they do not do what they are told.
The nazi pass also let so-called civilised societies take the exact actions that every May they proclaim they will never forget or allow to happen again – in some countries firing people, denying them access to public transport and post offices (in Italy, where the elderly pick up their OAP checks), excluding them from society and allowing a specific group to be openly vilified in MSM, including by politicians and public health authorities. Anyone who claims to believe in human rights yet supported the nazi pass needs to reflect long and hard on their position here – they failed abysmally.
Yes, I agree the pass was a step too far (many steps in fact: when Johnson announced the first lockdown I was shouting ‘Arrest him!’ at the TV, so you know where my loyalties lie!)
But I’m not going to call Lord Sumption names when he was one of the few early on who stuck his head up over the trenches and spoke out. He’s a human being, he’s not perfect and I still feel that, overall, he did more that was good than harm.
And – to be blunt – when disgusting vaccine passports were on the way, many people were reaching the point of abject desperation, which I’m sure the Satanic Michies of this world wanted. I was borderline suicidal myself by that point. If I hadn’t had my elderly parents to care for, I’m not sure what I’d have done!
It’s the strange thing: many people seem to be trying to blank out the lockdown era and pretend that it’s 2019 again. I can never move on and never forget. My anger and disgust towards the self-proclaimed elitists who did this to us will never end.
The fact that Sumption and others lost their nerve and where they had once taken a stand eventually capitulated does not let them off the hook.
For anyone needing a reminder of what it looks like to hold one’s nerve and stand up to tyrannical behaviour with certain valour I have just one word: Djokovic.
Not a Lord, not an accomplished high court judge. Just a glorified manual labourer. With more guts and principles than Sumption could ever dream of having.
Yes, Djokovic is a hero. He happens to have more beliefs in line with us than others. But you’re behaving like a Stalinist in the era of the purges: in essence Lord Sumption didn’t agree with everything you believe during lockdowns, so he’s not pure enough and therefore has to die!
An accomplished historian, a former court judge and someone who was brave enough to speak out in public, rather than lurk on below the line comments like all of us, now has to be called names like ‘dumb’, because he he didn’t say everything you wanted to hear.
We have to be better than this. This is what ultimately tears us apart.
Now you’re putting words in my mouth, exaggerating my position and going ad hominem.
I haven’t for a second suggested any sort of harm or retribution against Sumption.
All I’ve said is (a) he’s not clever but rather dumb, (b) morally weak and (c) his anti-lockdown stance doesn’t change that.
I haven’t suggested for a minute either that he has to say everything I want to hear. But there are some things that are extremely serious and cannot be waved away.
I just think vaxx passports are an atrocity. And if they would have stuck and we were now living with them, we would be living in a dystopian nightmare.
Maybe I just think vaxx passports are much more serious than you do, I don’t know. For me, it’s a huge, huge deal.
Lockdowns were terrible but they could never be kept up indefinitely – as China proved. But vaxx passports, that’s’ something that could easily become a permanent feature of our lives. I really think you might not realise how incredible dangerous they are and how spectacularly reckless Sumption was for advocating them. Precisely because he represented the “reasonable” view.
Please point out where I used any ad hominem with context. I don’t think you’re a stupid person. I think you’re angry and hurt by what’s happened, as am I. I respect your opinions, even when I disagree with them. I actually look forward to your posts. I’m simply warning you about the direction in which you risk heading with this, because you appear to be looking to purge people for not being good enough lockdown sceptics.
The very thing we’re fighting for is plurality of opinion, not to cancel people and demand apologies because they happened to think an alleged ‘temporary’ measure was more acceptable than we did, because we consider that ‘temporary measure’ to be an intended permanent one. Lord Sumption isn’t ‘morally weak’ because he judged something acceptable that you (and I) didn’t. If Lord Sumption’s opinion helped strengthen your contrary opinion, didn’t his voice in the discussion therefore help?
I will never forgive the people who locked us up. There are many hot pokers in Hell awaiting their rear ends!! But I have to look with forgiveness on people who were broadly on our side and had some different opinions. If you condemn people for not having pure enough views, you run the risk of becoming the thing you hate.
Dom – I hope you take my replies as nothing more than a good natured debate about Sumption and whether he disqualified himself completely as an advocate against government overreach (my position) or not (your position, I think). It’s an interesting debate.
With that said:
“But you’re behaving like a Stalinist in the era of the purges” seems a bit of an ad hominem to me.
I don’t get the “temporary” argument. It may soften the position a bit, but it just makes it a bit less of an atrocity. But lockdowns were also temporary and not for that did they cease to be an atrocity also, which I think we both agree they were.
I don’t expect Sumption or anyone to agree with me on everything. There are some things though that are more “serious” in that my opinion of a person may shift radically if they take a certain position.
Ultimately that’s all it is. My view of Sumption is that he’s an idiot and if he’s going to continue to make public statements from his celebrity pulpit, I will reserve the right to criticise him. That’s literally all I’m doing. I’m not calling for him to be purged Stalin-style.
Wasn’t intended to be an ad hominem and I apologise if I worded it badly: I should be working! Shh!!
Hear, hear.
“brave enough to speak out in public, rather than lurk on below the line comments like all of us”
And that’s hardly a positive view of your fellow Sceptics.
The difference between Sumption and we “lurkers” is that Sumption had a unique position at the top of society which made him practically inviolable. He failed to make use of that exalted position.
Many of us on here spoke out as best we could and in my case to almost universal criticism from friends and family. In my limited way I took on the NHS goons and not just once or twice but repeatedly. The only support I have found has been via DS.
Sumption could have stood head and shoulders above the evils in Westminster and become the focal point of restrained opposition. He clearly did not want the gig. So be it, it was a big ask. His current fluff piece does him no favours and simply confirms my negative opinion.
Hey! We’re all human beings here with our good sides and flaws, y’know.
Like I say, I don’t look for ideological purity. Do I think Lord Sumption had his heart in the right place? Yes. Do I think the same of the people who locked us up? No.
Anyone who was in politics and didn’t resign from his party was a fool: even David Davis and Desmond Swayne. Any police officer who didn’t resign and actively continued policing during lockdowns has my contempt. At the end of the day, Sumption was right about some things and wrong about others, but I appreciated his input.
My views are broadly the same as most people here. Where I sometimes vary is in how forgiving I am. I think people can demand too much and are scouring through the written history of people who were generally on ‘our’ side for offence, which is unnecessarily divisive. The key thing with the lockdowns is that our true enemies came out of the shadows and new battle lines have been drawn. We’re going deal with people who might not be 100 per cent in accord with everything we think if we’re to restore a free civilisation.
But, to be clear, I owe my sanity to this site and the people posting here. I was temproarily back at my parents’ house when I lockdowns started (thank God I had recently moved out of London) and had to deal with both of them experiencing severe health problems. The levels of darkness I plumbed were the worst in a life that has already experienced several major bouts of depression. So if I disagree, it’s intended to be constructive and is said with warmth, not malice.
Dom, I know there was nothing malicious but ‘lurkers’ is a bit harsh. I don’t agree with your views on Sumption and my position is perhaps a minority one but that’s my position.
Well, II didn’t see the word that way. I didn’t use the word ‘lurkers’. I was referring to how all of us lurk below the line. That included me. ‘Lurk’ means to hide in order to ambush. I felt like we were all an armchair guerrilla army on weekdays, battling an evil government while eating bikkies and drinking tea
‘Dwell’ might have seemed nicer, but a bit flowery. I always think of the old Up Pompeii sequel ‘Up the Chastity Belt’: ‘They named me Lurkalot. Because I do!’
I don’t think people who made what I consider a very bad call should be vilified. It’s just disappointing when someone who really should know better when it comes to fundamental rights and the law, supported something that simply cannot be supported.
In fairness, I never was pushed to the extremes that some people were. NL started out on the Swedish path in the period between March 2020 – December 2020, when Rutte decided to overrule the public health authorities and let political decisions rule – imo following pressure from Brussels – a Brussels that was already planning the nazi pass to be used for any number of nefarious reasons and Ursie must already have been planning her incredible grift with Bourla.
Not only did NL not drive up the hysteria as badly or close down society quite as harshly, they did not go quite full nazi and fire people or exclude them from necessary services (thanks to real political opposition in parliament and in the cabinet itself). I have worked from home for over 30 years, funnily enough my life didn’t change that much – less work, but still enough, and I was used to being home a lot, so the change wasn’t quite as harsh for me – although I didn’t leave the country for over 2 years and normally I go somewhere at least every 2 months. And fortunately I have dogs, the bestest creatures on earth
I understand that people were being driven to despair, particularly businesses that did not want to do the government’s dirty work but had not turned a profit in almost 2 years and had gone through their savings – either close up and go under or do the government’s bidding. I have the utmost admiration for those that did not give in, but understand the ones that did – the fines they were threatened with were monstrous.
Sumption should have realised that rather than give in to blackmail we should have insisted that the government never had any right to close down society in the first place. If he doesn’t get that, who will?
A friend of mine in the UK who is a contractor also lost work and due to a mess on his accountant’s part went without any income for a long time (the government assistance). He wouldn’t reply to emails for months and when I finally got him on the phone in the summer of 2020, he sounded so dejected and depressed I could have cried – I’ve known him over 30 years and never heard him sound so low. What you have said about your situation reminds me of that and now makes me so angry. Fortunately things turned around for him and he’s back to the person I’ve always known and you sound like you’re back on an even keel as well.
Absolutey, NEVER forget and NEVER forgive (at least some people, I’m rather in favour of forgiving in general, anger eats people up – but some people really do not deserve forgiving in this case, ever).
Yes, I nearly lost my business because of the lockdown. I’m a freelancer operating as a limited company director. I managed to get some work on a Friday afternoon in August 2020 after not working since February. I was overdrawn in my personal account for the first time in over a year, I hadn’t paid myself any money in six months and my company account was down to the figure I owed in corporation tax that December. I’d been planning on calling my accountant on the Monday and telling her I was going to wind up the business.
I lost my old job in 2002 and had spent years trying to get back into the business. From 2007 I had rebuilt my entire career from nothing. Those days in 2020 were some of the darkest days of my life. Had this site and few others not been around to give me going, I would have been in dire straits and I might well have caved in to the perpetual brainwashing.
I’ll never forgive or forget the perpetrators of this disgusting assault on our lives and liberties. But when it comes to the anti-lockdown side, we’re all individuals and we all have different standards of what we are willing to accept. And while I disagreed with Lord Sumption and Sarah Vine over vaccines and/or vaccine passports, without them contributing to the discussion, would I have been able to crystallise my views and come to the conclusions I did?
First class Jane
“It’s the strange thing: many people seem to be trying to blank out the lockdown era and pretend that it’s 2019 again. I can never move on and never forget. My anger and disgust towards the self-proclaimed elitists who did this to us will never end.”
Bang on the money Dom.
Never forget. Never forgive.
I think it is important to draw a distinction between someone who is “pro-vaccine” and someone who is pro vaccine passport.
I have no objection with people being pro vaccine or pro anything they want, for that matter, as long as they don’t shove down the throats of others.
Vax passports are an atrocity and anyone who supports them has taken a step off a moral cliff.
Saying they are a price worth paying to get back to normal is just a few steps (not many) back from saying that putting Jews into ghettos is a price worth paying to ensure good social order. And no, I’m not anti-semitic, or denying the horrors of the holocaust.
I have a friend living in Germany who for one whole year was forced to do a PCR test every single day in order to be allowed to go to work. He was barred from the football club where his son played and trained and from pretty much every social venue except the supermarket. For refusing to take a covid jab. That happened.
Sumption should be profoundly ashamed of himself for what he advocated.
I think it’s easy with hindsight to tear down people’s actions during the lockdowns. I’ve talked about this in my reply to JaneDoeNL below. Lord Sumption was talking about a temporary measure – naively, because the passes were a ‘gateway drug’. I suspect, like many of us, Lord Sumption was probably at the end of his tether at that point. He was wrong on that issue. I’m sure many of us look back at that time and realise we weren’t always rational in that time. I carry a deep-seated anger, disgust and sorrow in me that I can’t ever shake off. I rarely go out any more because I can’t bear to look at ordinary people trying to convince themselves things are ‘normal’ again.
There are specific evil people that need to be targeted for their actions in the last three years: Alexander Johnson, Matt Hancock, Susan Michie, Chris Whitty, Patrick Vallance, Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon, Devi Sridar, Michael Gove, Rishi Sunak and others belong in the dock for treason and crimes against humanity.
Attacking allies for not always thinking exactly the same way as the rest of us is not helpful and simply allows the aforementioned people to get away with it.
I think it might be the opposite. If apparently reasonable people “at the end of their tether” can be excused for advocating an atrocity, then perhaps those who proposed it in the first place weren’t so unreasonable after all.
Has Sumption acknowledged he made a mistake supporting vax passports? Has he expressed any kind of regret or remorse?
Why should he?
Because:
1) They were clearly a mistake from a “technical” point of view as the vaxx doesn’t stop the spread of covid.
2) They are immoral/unethical/evil on their face, regardless of how well they work.
A good debate with fair points from all, but I am with Stewart on this one – vaxx passports were/are a red line for me.
Maybe this kind of “infighting” (or internal debate) is bad for sceptics, on the other hand it’s arguable that the “reasonable” position is not one that is going to get the job done and the whole evil nonsense thoroughly discredited.
I am not a fan of Sumption. On the odd occasion he has popped his head over the parapet he has hardly displayed a comprehensive understanding of the real story. His support for vax passports illustrates this perfectly. His unwillingness to condemn the mass fear campaign behind the injections led me to believe he was simply controlled opposition.
Uniquely in this country Sumption is almost universally respected as a man of learning and for his apparently deep understanding of the law; sadly misplaced in my opinion. However, given the respect he has it was his responsibility to use his vaunted and almost sainted position to speak out forcefully and aggressively against the crimes against humanity taking place. Which part of government would have had the nerve to attack him? He failed massively in this respect.
This latest piece of flummery from the ‘great’ man is yet more gaslighting. And if it is not gaslighting then the man is a wee bit dim to say the least. Dr Carl Heneghan and countless other men of science – not The $cience – have provided masses of evidence which confirms excess deaths are being caused by the so-called vaccines but Sumption takes the lazy route and blames a failing NHS. Doubtless increased Cardiac deaths are the result of not enough statins being eaten as per that evil vampire Whitty. Even that horrible specimen will know that statins are nothing short of dangerous placebos at best and which will shortly go the way of the Dodo.
Sumption is a sad old failure.
The Telegraph is part funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. In spite of their denials, it’s likely that policy is being affected by it and Lord Sumption was asked to focus specifically on cancers.
“we know it’s not Covid”
Do you know that? How much testing is going on these days? If Granny dies of a heart attack either a) having had covid at some point in the last 30-60 days or b) actually had a low level covid infection at the time, would anything be recorded as to either of those facts? My guess is not. So we have no way of knowing if all these heart and circulatory related deaths are in fact the outcome of covid infections.
We now know that multiple vaxxed and boosted people will have become to tolerate covid infections. We also know that covid infections themselves, even if not obviously ‘serious’ do result in elevated death levels for a month or two afterwards. Covid is hard on the body, even if you survive it apparently easily. Because of the IgG4 antibody proliferation in the multiple boosted they may not even know they have a covid infection, they might have a few symptoms for a week or so, then just feel ‘under the weather’ for a few weeks more, then die. The cause will be the damage caused to major organs by a covid infection that is either still present at death or that has lingered in their body for far too long, either way causing damage that then results in death. But because its a heart attack, or sepsis, or a stroke, and there’s no obvious covid signs, it will never be recorded as covid related.
My guess is that most of the excess deaths are actually caused by covid infections, but those covid infections themselves are second order effects of multiple covid vaccinations. Multiple vaxxed people are catching covid more often because the vaccine now promotes infections rather than preventing them, and once they have an infection it goes on far longer than in people with natural immunity. Eventually that cycle results in severe damage, usually to the heart or circulatory system, and they die.
The data we need is all cause deaths by vaccination status – does such a stat exist?
“The data we need is all cause deaths by vaccination status – does such a stat exist?” My understanding is the ONS stopped providing it when it was making the jab look bad.
I think they are doing the same thing with excess deaths by only providing broad age groupings.
Deaths by vaccination status, England – Office for National Statistics
Here’s the link to the ONS data, but you have to do some work to on the raw data.
This article does the work for you.
Covid Vaccines Give Zero Protection Against Death, ONS Data Suggest – The Daily Sceptic
yes thanks although only to july ’22 and 18-39 age range quite broad.
Yes, deaths by vaxx status have been published on this website multiple times. The key source is the UKHSA weekly vaccine surveillance report. They published data up to the end of May 22 which can be seen in a July report. The vaxxed are more likely to die than the unvaxxed.
question asked in hoc when ONS will provide updated data by vaccination status – got the brush off
UK Department of Health refuses to answer when ONS will publish updated data – The Expose (expose-news.com)
Well, it’s true that they never promised that the jabs on offer would reduce the risk of infection, but only to mitigate the effect of it, if it happened. A cynic might say that if it had the effect of actually increasing future infections in a less dangerous form, it would be a bonus for the pharmaceutical trade to boot!
They knew ADE was a risk from the outset, it was even stated as a potential serious risk on the websites of the FDA and the EMA. Doctors were talking about the risk on Children’s Health Defense back in December 2020, before the actual rollout. They knew and certainly the data since summer 2021 has indicated that those with multiple vaxxes were the larger group of infected and hospitalised.
This was and still is brushed off as being due to the fact that the majority of people are vaxxed. That they still keep trotting out this line is extraordinary, as data also shows that, outside of those very recently vaxxed, the greatest number of hospital admissions is in those with 3 or 4 vaxxes (depending on the number of vaxxes handed out in a given country). As time goes by, fewer and fewer people are getting vaxxed, so the pool of multiple-vaxxed is decreasing as a whole, but they still remain as the largest number of those hospitalised and dying from corona.
Of course they promised that vaccination would stop transmission. There are multiple clips of everyone from Biden down saying this.
Also, the only justification for the vaxx pass was that vaccination stopped transmission.
Even that was a lot of BS. The nazi pass was introduced in NL in October 2021 – Israel had been handing out the 3rd poke since July 2021 and NL was gearing up to hand out a 3rd poke because so many 2x vaxxed people were being infected. They knew, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that being vaxxed did not prevent transmission or infection. So they pivoted from the vaxx being necessary to stop transmission, to protecting the unvaxxed from themselves – if they weren’t vaxxed, they’d get infected and clog up hospital beds. Even though by that time it was also known that some 80% of hospital admissions were 2x vaxxed people – you didn’t even need to do detailed data analysis to realise that – the vast majority of admissions were elderly people, and in both the UK and NL over 90% of this group had been vaxxed.
They knew that the vaxx would do absolutely nothing in terms of stopping transmission, meaning there was another reason for implementing it regardless. That is something people like Sumption should have realised and protested against, it was hardly a secret.
“Well, it’s true that they never promised that the jabs on offer would reduce the risk of infection, but only to mitigate the effect of it”
Not true. There are countless videos still in circulation with the likes of Biden and Fraudci actually stating – ‘take the vaccine and you won’t get covid.’
it is not surprising but a common misconception that covid causes heart issues. I’m not totally certain myself but that is what the experts think.
Experts confirm it’s Covid Injections & NOT Infections that cause Myocarditis – The Expose (expose-news.com)
Excess deaths needs to be broken down by narrow age bands. Vaccine deaths in the youth would be harder to miss due to their normally healthy circumstances, rather than older people who are more likely to have multiple health risks.
If the ONS are not providing this data then this tells its own story.
The ONS have operated a cover-up of jab-caused deaths for 2 years, right from the start of the jabbing.
Next release date 21st February 2023.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
It’s beyond time this was addressed.
What drives the vaxx-harm denialism? Too many people blithly accept now that okay, the vaxx has killed some people, but not that many. Fair enough, but it’s also caused illness, which is getting ignored. The Damar Hamlin story is one example – now there is a debate about whether or not he is alive, whether a recent video is a fake, etc. Where is the question regarding what happened to him in the first place? Apparently his being alive proves it wasn’t the vaxx, being dead would prove it was – no one seems to be concerned with serious injury and possible long term disability that may well be vaxx-related.
People will not want to accept a vaxx link to death because so many people took the vaxx and authorities and big pharma don’t want to accept responsibility for their coercive and deceitful actions. The real question is, what exactly is the vaxx doing and for how long? We now know the mrna keeps producing for longer than the 2 days that was initially claimed, I believe studies have shown at least 30 days – what if it’s longer, what if it can lie dormant and reactivate in some cases? No point in saying that’s not possible, they were adamant it would be removed from the body after 2 days – until that claim was quietly removed from the CDC website. How long does the spike protein linger, how long does the vaxx-produced stabilised spike protein linger?
What about ADE? Both the FDA and the EMA had it listed as a potential serious risk on their respective websites, stating there was insufficient data. What if some of the excess deaths are related to people walking around with antibody soup in their veins after 6 shots, which contributes to an unusual immune reaction when encountering the actual virus in the wild?
As for delayed care – NL has backlogs, has a shortage of HCW, but as far as I know we never shut down care the way the UK did, yet looking at the chart above, our excess mortality is higher.
Lord Sumption is, probably in good faith and following the $cience, of the belief that ABV is to blame. A little common sense suggests otherwise.
The excess deaths are a democide – a result of actions taken by government. TPTB knew that the actions taken to ‘flatten the curve’ & subsequent ones would impact on mortality as documented in SAGE minutes way back in Spring 2020.
TPTB have blood, lots of it. on their hands.
Damn right BB.
Why is the fact never mentioned that the mRNA jabs are still on emergency approval only, 2 years on.
Or that the official trials safety data are due in shortly – why no build-up in the MSM?
Or that not one jot of evidence exists that these novel jabs are more effective than traditional vaccines.
Or that the amount of antigen (spike) they generate is uncontrolled between one recipient and another (check out Prof Robert Clancy on this), which makes informed consent impossible to obtain.
Or that known prophylactics such as Hydroxichloroquine and Ivermectin were deliberately banned in virtually every western nation at the start of the Scamdemic.
Does anyone remember the plot line on the 1989 re-start Batman with Basinger & Keaton?
Different combinations of products, distinctly different but still deadly outcomes.
Clowns everywhere looking for the simple in-your-face 1 dimensional answer, otherwise are not convinced.
The important analysis is:
The data for these two together cannot be explained by missed/delayed medical treatment, stress, or economic/financial factors.
So the question then is: what does that leave?
Sumption lacks knowledge. I worked with FDA in the US in the noughties and it took them 10 years to give approval following rigorous safety and efficacy trials and that was just on medical apparatus. Clearly untested vaccines rushed through are to be viewed with suspicion.
Anyone willing to prove he’s wrong?
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/death-reports-prove-that-the-covid?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email