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Doctors Push Hard for Child Vaccination Despite Their Own Research Showing it is Unnecessary

by Thorsteinn Siglaugsson
13 July 2022 10:26 AM

According to a study recently published in the Paediatric Infectious Disease Journal, the risk of COVID-19 to children is truly minuscule. The study tracks the outcomes for Icelandic children with a positive COVID-19 test, covering all the children who tested positive during the study period. It concludes that out of the 1,749 children tracked, none had severe symptoms and no child needed hospitalisation. A fifth of the children showed no symptoms.

It is curious, then, that when Icelandic health authorities decided to offer COVID-19 vaccination to 5-11 year-old children earlier this year, two of the four study authors were among the most vocal advocates of the policy.

At the time, the health risks related to COVID-19 vaccines were becoming increasingly clear, with the rate of reported serious adverse effects in Iceland 75-fold the rate for flu vaccines in 2019. The French Medical Academy had recommended against vaccinating healthy young children, Swedish authorities had decided not to offer them vaccination and the JCVI had recommended against it. But Icelandic authorities decided to go ahead with an organised campaign. 

Earlier, the study’s lead researcher, Dr. Valtyr Thors, a prominent paediatrician, had said vaccination was not needed for young children, but in January 2022 he suddenly reversed his opinion and strongly recommended vaccination to “protect children against infection and serious illness”. At that time, the Omicron variant had already taken over in Iceland, and numbers showed vaccine protection against infection to be zero or negative.

Late December 2021, another author, paediatrician Dr. Asgeir Haraldsson, Professor of Medicine at the University of Iceland, said five to 10 out of every thousand healthy children would need hospitalisation after COVID-19 infection and strongly recommended vaccination, claiming both Delta and Omicron variants posed a considerably higher threat to children than previous variants.

The study shows only 12% of infections among children occured in school. However, in late 2021 the importance of keeping schools open was repeatedly mentioned as an additional justification for the vaccination of children. In December 2021, Dr. Thors claimed infections in schools were a major problem and Chief Epidemiologist Dr. Thorolfur Gudnason suggested lifting quarantine requirements for vaccinated children under 16, while keeping them in place for the unvaccinated.

The new study was conducted between February 20th 2020 and August 31st 2021. It may thus be assumed that by December 2021, as they pushed for the vaccination of young children, the two authors already knew severe illness was extremely rare among children in this age-group and that the estimate of five to 10 hospitalisations per 1,000 children – up to 1% – was far off the mark. They should also have known by then how much milder the Omicron variant was in general, making the claim even further out. By early January it was clear also how little protection against the Omicron variant the vaccines provided, if any at all.

Thorsteinn Siglaugsson is an economist who lives in Iceland. Find him on his Substack page.

Tags: IcelandPropagandaVaccinating ChildrenVaccine injuryVaccines

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago

“a source said”

Dunkum.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

Yep. Classic propaganda preparation.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Ah, the good old days when all we had to worry about was yellow cake.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

Good job I didn’t throw my exemption lanyard away. Should I paint a yellow star on it?

Last edited 3 years ago by Smelly Melly
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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Well they’re building the camps. Called Super-prisons. Supposed to be for ~1500 people each but look like they could take 10x that. Even that won’t be enough but luckily at least one is already next to a crematorium.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Well at least they will be used, unlike the Nightingale hospitals.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Nice to know the money won’t be wasted. The first camp would provide ample room for MPs to settle their affairs before that inevitable trip to the crematorium. Lethal injection would be a very fitting way of sending them off.

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Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Normally I would suggest the traditional hangman’s rope, but on this particular occasion the lethal injection would be particularly appropriate.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

Why not just throw them out of an aeroplane over the North Sea?

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Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

The new prisons will be useful for housing the politicians and their tame scientists and journalists who have illegally sought to replace our democracy by an authoritarian dictatorship.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I wore neither a mask or a lanyard. I was never challenged. The limit was a few death stares which were swiftly dealt with by looking them square in the eye and smiling. They immediately stopped staring and shuffled off.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

I started wearing a mask in supermarkets that I could not avoid going into simply because I was sick of having rows with moronic shop assistants and ‘security’ guards who thought that the power to be an irritation meant their word was law and they were my masters and mistresses.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Bad move. You caved in on your rights. Only police, tranport police, PSCOs and people specifically designated by SoS for Health were allowed to query lack of mask use. Anyone else was committing one or more civil offenses against you, punishable by fines of up to £5000 to £9000. The store itself has a duty to protect you from harrassment.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

“The government advice is not to challenge people to wear a face covering:

This is for GOOD REASON. If you do so, you and your employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010

AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010”

Here is their toolkit

https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

You’re clearly too fucking stupid to read my post and think about it.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

You are clearly too fucking stupid. It is appeasers like you who surrender for convenience.

As for the mask jobsworths, I have never worn a mask and have always faced them off. I do not appease these fuckers.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Yes – and don’t forget the prison number tattoo!

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago
Reply to  iane

It’ll probably be barcodes.

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Skippy
Skippy
3 years ago
Reply to  iane

Cut off their ears and their noses

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Add a pink triangle just to be on the safe side. This game of carrot and stick will go on until sufficient people decide they’ve had enough and say so. I knew boys like Johnson and company at school; they used to delight in pulling the wings off dragon flies and then using a magnifying glass to burn them to death.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

How long until they stop the pretence and handover government and the Bank of England to Big Pharma and the CCP?
At least we could stop this pathetic COVID bullshit and Pharma could take the money without poisoning us.
Or … is it really a depopulation game? Surely … please God no, the children!

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

I honestly believe it is about bringing in a new economic system. The present one is due to collapse under the huge weight of debt. Fiat currencies always collapse. So this mad printing is a final ‘wealth’ grab before they start to implement the next phase.

The vaccines are ultimately about people quitting their jobs rather than be forced to get it. With MSM’s already crippled, Boris selected NI as the next tax hike just to punch MSM’s in the face again.

The next lockdowns will be blamed on the unvaxxed. Then the mandates will come in. Which will lead to the next crisis. Supply chain break downs. Empty shops. Sky high unemployment and whacking interest rates.

A new ‘stabilising’ global currency will be introduced, which will be digital. In time it will be linked to your vaccination status perhaps.

The overall end game is still fuzzy, though 2 things are certain. The present monetary system is well overdue its collapse. And governments are going their level best to destroy their own economies, in the name of protecting people.

The one thing that has thrown me off regarding the vaccines, is the mad rush to vaccinate children. I don’t think depopulation is the goal here, as that just doesn’t serve the interest of the people doing this. Though, perhaps the free spike protein that is generated from the vaccine is perhaps the very vehicle that will trigger the next pandemic. Purely speculation, but another pandemic that is a bit deadlier would serve their interests.

I see this as a game of chess, and you have to understand their motivations for the attack to assess each of their moves. Biden’s private business vaccine mandate though has only bolstered my belief that the destruction of the economy is certainly one of their primary goals.

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

Apologies, I meant MSE’s rather than MSM’s lol

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beancounter
beancounter
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

SMEs?

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

Small and Medium Enterprises. (Small Businesses)

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

You typed ‘MSE’s’. I think beancounter was clarifying rather than querying.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

aka drivers of the economy – “Mittelstand” in Germany

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

Depopulation is assuredly in their interests – smaller populations are easier to control – and use up far fewer resources! Do you really believe that the elite will provide UBI long-term in order to allow billions of ‘useless eaters’ to sit around watching Netflix?

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

I do think you are wrong. Populations implement self control. The bigger the population, the easier it is to control. Weak minded people plied with decades of anxiety and the removal of their societal identity are easy to manipulate. Then these drones go outside and regulate the behaviour of the fence sitters. Raising your head above the parapet and saying society is wrong takes both integrity and courage. And the larger the population, the more drowning noise there is.
Where is sanity most likely to be heard, when 1 in 100 takes sane, or 100 in 10,000?

The present monetary system also puts great emphasis on growing populations. I believe the new system will be based the same way. Each person is something of value they can exploit.

And it serves absolutely no interest for big pharma to develop something that will kill off their customer base.

Now here is the real kicker in the vaccines are about depopulation theory. Why would they want to kill off all the sheep, but keep alive all the lions? It surely would be the other way around right?

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Amtrup
Amtrup
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

Agreed, but they might be interested in rendering the majority infertile, and turning reproduction into something “done in test tubes”/in highly controlled/artificial or regulated contexts.

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

That has some plausibility to it. That way they to control who get’s to breed. Outspoken Lion’s will never be allowed to produce offspring. Your mindless drone collecting their UBI though…. right this way!

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

The new system won’t be based on growing populations, but on marshalling finite resources.

Real world experience shows that smaller populations are easy to control, too: NZ, Israel and Australia being prime examples. China and Japan are large and controlled very effectively, probably owing to cultural attitudes of conformity.

Smaller populations in countries make the imposition of renewables, etc, much more realistic, too.

The aim to reduce the world’s population to approximately 700 million has been mooted by the elite for decades – the Georgia Guidestones are a bit of a clue – and we now have their aim to jab everyone in the world with an experimental, novel treatment – aren’t alarm bells ringing yet? Or do you still believe that governments have your welfare at heart?

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Are you actually directing those last 2 questions at me? I thought I had plainly demonstrated in my assertions that the government certainly doesn’t have our welfare at heart. Just because I disagree with you on the end game, please don’t place me on the side of the sheep.

I have looked into that theory. I look into every theory presented. And I am allowed my own opinion. There are multiple things happening at the same time that makes me believe its much more about a change of system and control, than depopulation. The finite resources argument is far from a settled issue. It has been something discussed since the 50’s, and yet the West still finds itself very bloated in resources, as does parts of the former third world. One solid argument is that the worlds population would naturally level off as resources start a downward curve. A mutual natural plateau. Though feel free to disagree with that too.

You still haven’t answered my point regarding killing the sheep while keeping alive the lions. So here is another one. Why be so elaborate? Why not skip the vaccines and just have a killer virus? Or poison most of the worlds water supplies? Or just inject every child born from now for the next 16-20 years with something that makes them infertile? (mixed in with their standard jabs) Or introduce 1 child policies like China had? For me, your premise could have been achieved via a number of other and easier ways. That’s why I have dismissed it.

I did concede in my original post that the rush and desire to vaccinate children has thrown me a curve ball a bit. That really isn’t necessary with my premise. So that does give me cause for concern. However, every empire’s power is measured by the number of people it controls. 700 million is ridiculously small. Why that number?

At the end of the day, neither of us are going to get the vaccine. And we are on the same side. So if you do reply to me, be a bit more considerate with how you end it please.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

I merely asked a question at the end of my comment – it’s not an insult!

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

I did concede in my original post that the rush and desire to vaccinate children has thrown me a curve ball a bit.

The WHO has eradicated smallpox by identfying outbreaks and vaccinating everyone who was in contact with the person who got smallpox. The WHO has been busy with eradicating polio by applying the same method for the last sixty years albeit without success (it is claimed that Afghanistan and Pakistan would be the two last countries where infections with wild poliovirus occur). There’s a new and fairly uncommon disease on the block. What else would the WHO try to do then eradicate it via a global vaccination campaign before it becomes endemic?

These people do not think in term of individual health outcomes, only in the summary effect of reducing the chances of a virus to replicate: Every person vaccinated reduces the chances somewhat, hence, every person must be vaccinated. More so, if the current round of vaccines don’t prevent virus replication reliably enough to prevent transmission. Future vaccines might, hence, the time to set a precedent that vaccination is optional is certainly not now.

These people are also oblivious to vaccine side effect: An interesting property of the polio vaccine is that it regularly mutates into live polio viruses which then infect the unvaccinated, IOW, the WHO has been busy with spreading polio, claiming this was meant to eradicate it, for the last sixty years. But the unvaccinated had their chance, so, that’s perfectly ok. Why would they care if a relatively small but absolutely large number of children died from their injections? A dead person is one less the virus can replicate in, so, it counts as vaccination win.

NB: This is all Wikipedia-level information.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

“I did concede in my original post that the rush and desire to vaccinate children has thrown me a curve ball a bit’
Could that not simply be part of their rabid drive / narrative to vaccinate everyone – for whatever multiple rabid reasons they wont be happy until everyone is vaxxed?

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

There is no drowning noise from the overwhelming mass of the population, which is why vocal sceptics and dissidents are having no real effect on the progress of the Great Reset. I believe that the voice of sanity hasn’t a chance of halting and reversing what we are going through, all that can stop it is worldwide mutinies by the armed forces of the major powers and the bloody rebellions that follow, and I’m not hopeful of those happening.

There is no point in changing the basis of the economy without global depopulation. Money is about control and in the new economy there isn’t going to be enough money to go round. Those who cannot be controlled with money must be destroyed.

Big Pharma is simply partying like it’s 1999 until the music stops, when most of those making currently making hay will go into the grinder with us.

The wolves want to slaughter the sheep because overpopulation and overconsumption are the two pressing problems confronting humanity and ‘we’ cannot go on producing consumers who have no other function. The exercise of total power does not require a vast and growing population creating ever more insoluble social and environmental problems. AI is going to make beggars of most of humankind and the last thing the powerful want to do is gaze upon a multitude of beggars looking for a chance to overthrow oppressive power structures.

Agenda 2030 calls for the elimination of seven billion people within a span of less than eight and a half years. That requires the death of at least the population of the ‘U’K every month from now until then. Insane? Yes it is, however, we are ruled ultimately by megalomaniacal psychopaths who believe that they can live forever once the essence of their being can be transferred to a microchip and placed in a robot, and history has shown time and time and time again that megalomaniacal psychopaths will kill as many people as necessary in pursuit of their insane messianic visions, from ‘The Reverend’ Jim Jones to Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin.
 
 

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Absolutely. Those who possess the wealth of a society get it because they want it and are prepared to take it so by definition they are disinclined to share it. The Brave New World of reset, fourth industrial revolution transhuman lunatics will not want to hand out cash to people who do nothing useful. Anyone who thinks that he is going to live a life of subsidised idleness is deluding himself. A global population of five hundred million is just the start.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

I honestly believe it is about bringing in a new economic system.

It certainly is about that. However the new system will only require around 5% of the current world population and so nearly all of us are already scheduled for elimination. This explains the manic push to inject us with the Covid death shots.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I had a similar discussion with a Socialist friend ….. I was suggesting that they are wanting to send us back to serfdom …. (rather than arguing they actually wanting to kill us). She said that didn’t make sense to her because “they” will still need consumers / purchasers. I was like – that will be they Courtisan and the Clerical classes? We didn’t discuss the implications of the AI economy which was imho already set to be a world changing challenge before Covid. I’m no economist and would welcome any thoughts [edit] rereading the above posts i wonder if serf drones + enforcers + test tube babies on tap might work for them?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

Debt globally is a big concern, but I remain to be convinced of the deliberate destruction of the world’s economies. Over USD 15 trillion worth of Government debt instruments stood on negative yields – this has massive implications for bond issuers, holders and if this does not change, the holders do not sell, implies massive losses on maturity. This ignores “Corporate” set instruments; low interest rates and QE are the drivers.

Japan in the 1980’s controlled a vast amount of the worlds money supply, its major banks were at one time “valued” greater than the then US Stockmarket – then deflation hit. Fast forward to today and substitute “China” for “Japan”. Financial markets are a house of cards and are dominated by “herd instinct” behaviour. Perhaps the “Soros/Gates/Bezos type billionaires have been talking up markets to send out and dive back in once the herd starts selling… been done before.

Controlling this juggernaut is impossible hence why I don’t buy the intent – but I don’t deny who will benefit if when the shit hits the fan. Difficult issue is – when do YOU sell out to cash, and for how long can you stand the inflation adjusted negative return before markets are rerated………a Mexican stand off if ever I saw one.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

That’s pretty much how I see things going too, although I think the ‘vaccines‘ jabs are all about depopulation, which is why children are being ‘vaccinated‘ jabbed.

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vlysander
vlysander
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Its all off the below. New economic system, new control, new society and they need less useless breathers to do it. De pop is the major policy on the road to brain connections to the internet.
I think they will fail…

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

The Bank of England is a private for-profit entity, with the UK Government as a reluctantly-admitted minor shareholder. These Central Banks are key enablers of all the financial terrorism around the world, coordinated by the World Bank and the IMF. The trick is to get governments to take on loans that they can’t afford to repay, then bleed them to death via expropriation of all tangible assets. The victims end up owning nothing.

Guess who allowed the UK to up its spending limit to finance its response to Covid-19? Yup, the friendly, caring Bank of England.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
3 years ago

Fuck off wont ever wear one again

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  Jaguarpig

Seconded!

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Number48
Number48
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Thirded.

Wore one up to about a month or two before it was lifted. Never again. I don’t care how bad it supposedly gets, masks of this type are a waste of time.

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  Jaguarpig

at the moment one newspaper has written about threats for yet another lockdown as the number of deaths related to Covid increase.
Tomorrow no doubt all of the British MSM will be repeating is in some form or another.
Maybe they should not be called MSM maybe parrots would be a better word form them.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

So the vaccines don’t work then?

A lot of people got double jabbed because the Fat Controller said so … fools.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

lockdowns don’t work
masks don’t work
vaccines don’t work

really? depends on what you want them to achieve

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No I'm Spartacus!
No I'm Spartacus!
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Yep bringing back masks and lockdowns, etc will prove that vaccines don’t work.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

According to latest CDC study (covering period with delta), Moderna 95% effective at preventing hospitalization, Pfizer 80%. No, that doesn’t sound much like “vaccines don’t work”.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

LOL – meanwhile in the Israel experiment – Ding Ding Booster 4…

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Yes, and so what? You get the booster and then the vaccine works again… for a couple months. It doesn’t change the fact that they work.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Ahahahaaaaa enjoy your exponential increase in adverse events

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Which hasn’t happened anywhere so far, but you can still place your bets…

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Not once when the vaccinations were being rolled out was there talk of booster. The phase was fully vaccinated was used after having two pricks. Odd we do not read or hear that now.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

More LOL – The CDC as a reliable source!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I’m glad someone noticed about the CDC…

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

How does anyone know?
The tests used aren’t able to distinguish between influenza and sars, and that is before you examine the claims that someone was prevented from being hospitalised ‘cos they were jabbed rather than anything else such as being told on the phone that “you aren’t sick, take a paracetamol” by someone reading a script.
And underlying all this is the fact that the UK decided in March last year that this wasn’t a dangerous pathogen as it was only hospitalising and killing those who were already at death’s door, and that was largely due to the failure of the medical services around the World to treat early with procedures known to work on respiratory illness, but to wait until people were very seriously ill before doing anything.
Remember too that the numbers you are quoting come from trials where the Pharma companies were judge and jury and that even then these %ages are Relative Reduction figures not Absolute Reduction.
Typically a drug or procedure will not be given a medical use approval unless it has an efficacy of more than 50%, and in the face of Delta and Lamda variants the Pfizer jab stands at 38% making it anachronistic that it was given FDA Approval after this was evident from Israeli and UK health figures.

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karate56
karate56
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Then why the need for mitigations? Also, why are you on here?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  karate56

They mostly need mitigations (in US) because almost half of population is still unvaccinated. Meanwhile all restrictions were lifted in Denmark where 83% of eligible over 12 are vaccinated. Unfortunately (?) it does not fit any grand conspiracy theory.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Your brain doesn’t work! Have you had the jabs? I’ve noticed that people who have had them at my place of work don’t appear to be as thinking as clearly as there were previously. Of course, they are still wearing masks, so I suppose it might be linked to poor O2 intake.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Vaccines work in the sense they were always meant to work: As cover-your-ass measure for people who want mask mandates and closure of undesirable businesses to hide the fact that these have no useful effect whatsoever.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

I am against masks or mandates, and still understand the efficacy of vaccines. Alas, many people don’t which is just further fueling these fascist policies.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

The problem with “vaccine efficacy” is that it’s all based on interpreting correlations and that so far, all numbers published on this have been differing wildly. When you get a different result whenever someone else looks at some data supposed to show the same effect, the simple explanation would be “happened by chance”.

Something that’s absolutely certain is hat “vaccine efficacy” is not good enough that anybody proposing this or that Chinese miracle cure against COVID has stopped demanding that his particular pet policy must be implemented. And that’s what really matters. I survived the flu-from-hell in November 2019 and two lengthy spells of long COVID symptoms starting with a couple of days of light fever. And I want my life back. All of it.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Is your understanding on a par with these two Professors:

UK Column: France’s long-time vaccine policy chief: Covid policy is “completely stupid” and “unethical”
May I suggest that for France insert the rest of the world following the WHO inspired panic. Would you, after reading this, still take more gene editing by reverse transcription therapy fluid or perhaps wish to be able to have monoclonal antibody infusion/HCQ/Ivermectin and other early preventative treatments – they are working across the globe but for so odd reason, UK MSM is not covering that – odd isn’t it? – as well as upping your essential immune boosting minerals and vitamins or are you happy for the spike protein that damages every cell every cell it invades, that is not defeated by your immune system, roaming free?

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

interestingly, according to the CDC, being unvaccinated has an efficacy of 99.5% for the 50-70 year olds

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Even if the hospitalization (not death) risk is 1% in the 50-70 year old group, if 25% of hospitalized patients develop longer-term problems, it makes sense to cut that risk by 80-90% through vaccination. The risk of problems from vaccination is 100x smaller than from infection (which you are very likely to get at some point, regardless of age). So unlike with political bs such as masks, lockdowns and passports, with vaccines it’s just about understanding numbers. You can twist them however you like, but you won’t be able to prove that unvaccinated are better off when it comes to COVID-19.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You don’t get the ADE issue or lockdown generated variants which are more transmissible but not as less pathogenic had lockdowns been abandoned as mooted by scientists and medics the world over….?

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

I can’t work you out. Sometimes you come across as a reasonably smart person who just likes to be contrary, and other times – like this – you come across as staggeringly naive and ready to take anything at face value if it fits what you want to think. I suspect you’re just a classic bachelor degree educated midwit with a strong case of Dunning-Kruger

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Bachelor degree educated midwits.

The footsoldiers of the new world order.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

It is called critical thinking, something sorely missing in most commenters on this site.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

It’s sorely missing in you! Just PO and take your booster.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

The statistics do though, even the official ones. I’d love to know how they come up with this rubbish. Oh hang on, aren’t CDC “in bed with Big Pharma”?

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

Quelle surprise? Who’d ever have thought?

I’m wondering if any university is going to offer me a professorship in modelling, but I fear my predictions are too often right.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, given that modelling today means pulling things out of your ass, you would qualify.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

You seem unable to find your arse with both hands – so sorry you don’t qualify. 🙂

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It seems obvious that rayc is a name used by multiple posters – having read his/her reasonable comments over the last few days, the disparity in tone today is startling.

Last edited 3 years ago by milesahead
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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Yes. Whatever. Genuine or fake or 77th Brigade troll – s/he’s certainly an asset for the rationalists with his/her expressed dimness.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

the “modelling today means pulling things out of your ass” bit suggests the person understands something about what is going on – but used as an attack on Rick H suggests she might have been a bit pissed and attacked the wrong person – or 77th Bot is pissed and confused

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Asshat

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I don’t think you will get through the initial vetting – via zoom, masks mandatory – or the mandatory “Student personal statement” which will be algorithmically tested for diversity, whiteness, colonialist tendencies and lack of pronouns – from the University of Ferguson Futility (the new word for Faculty) for Innane Modelling. In any case they are deferring students and compensating them in their own self named Green Crypto Currency or “GCC” for short…..

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago

No, no, no.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

I don’t think so Johnson.

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AndyPandy
AndyPandy
3 years ago

Yes, this is on its’ way before long. Despite Scotland doing worse with masks. Despite number of cases below all the modelling. Despite the fact they have little or no effect. It costs the Govt nothing, and they have a muzzled, sanitised and compliant population

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grob1234
grob1234
3 years ago

I’m not wearing a mask again and I won’t wear an exemption lanyard either.

I’m currently at a well known holiday resort, and it gives me immense pleasure to report only a handful wearing masks inside.

Of the few that do you can see their fearful little eyes whilst I smile mask free. What gives me the most pleasure is imagining their internal anger that so many aren’t muzzled. I also would love to know their thought process and why they continue to be masked when so few are carrying out the bizarre measure.

Surely if they were that scared they’d wear one of those that supposedly filters out the covid?

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No I'm Spartacus!
No I'm Spartacus!
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

If they are that scared, then surely they should’nt be where they are?

It reminds me of the 90 year old college professor who walked out on his job because one of his students didn’t wear the magic mask saying he was vulnerable.

Well, if he was that vulnerable he shouldn’t have been in college!

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

If they are that scared why are they at a presumably busy holiday resort? They are free to stay home or camp in the middle of nowhere to avoid the dirty hoards.

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WilliamC
WilliamC
3 years ago

Of course they are. Millions of people wearing moist spore-ridden rags, inhaling their own mouth shit, reduced oxygen intake – anything to get the winter death toll up.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  WilliamC

Sorry to hear you have shit in your mouth. Nothing what a good dentist couldn’t fix, I’m sure.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

If you don’t wash your hands 3x per exchange of a mask, use sterile ones only for that exchange and always exchange them correctly as such after having spoken more than 2 sentences when wearing one, you have plenty of sh*t in your mouth too, and no dentist or dental hygiene can prevent that.
And I haven’t even touched upon the filthy mor*ns who also wear them under the chin, or pull them out of their bags and pockets or from tne rear view mirror, which seem to amount to at least 95% of the mask wearers I encountered.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I agree. Most masks that I’ve seen put on are taken from pockets, bags, glove compartments, car door pockets, or even from being looped round a wrist. Hands are never washed before or after, and every mask looks as if it’s been around the tracks more often than a whippet at White City.
Also, the maskee constantly fiddles with them and adjusts them, have you noticed? The free faced are the only ones who don’t constantly touch their faces while shopping. I reckon we are far more hygienic in our practices!

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

And still they somehow survive the onslaught of deadly mask pathogens! A miracle!

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

are we sure that they do tho?

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Looks like you have had 1 jab too many.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Forgive me for those easily offended, I’m channeling dialogue from the “Nanageddon” episode of The Might Boosh here.
I found a face mask. To make it cleaner, I took sh*t on it.
🤣

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karate56
karate56
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

What a twat

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

‘Nothing what a good dentist couldn’t fix.’

Your dentist can’t be any good, then!

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

WilliamC has every right to be confidant of prompt treatment as it does not involve his GP…

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marcusc
marcusc
3 years ago

Drip drip…

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

In turbulent and dictatorial times like these, my mind occasionally turns towards the fates of, among others, Nicolae/Elena and Benito/Clara.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Me too, but unfortunately it’s probably wishful thinking!

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

It likely was to many of their contemporaries, who nonetheless eventually saw their desires fulfilled.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

Translated: “let’s wait until the cases start falling again, then we can reintroduce mask mandates”.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Another lockdown is out of the question, hoping people won’t remember that Kim Jong Johnson credited lockdown with doing more to stop the virus than vaccines have.

You can guarantee there will be another lockdown soon, judging by his evil track record.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Sure. Masks are the best way to keep up the fear, cases, other illnesses and emergency powers in place.
Meanwhile in always unmasked Sweden….

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

We now have proper scientific evidence that universal mask wearing has pretty much no effect (fabric masks) or a very mild beneficial impact (<10% reduction in cases, for disposable surgical masks).

Yet the politicians hang on to masks as though they’re the thread holding us back from disaster.

Seeing as there is no evidence of them doing anything, and they’ve vaccinated vast numbers of the population and given them (supposedly) a fair level of protection against serious-covid, why are they continuing with their demands for mask wearing?

But then again, politicians are the least likely people to say ‘actually, I made a mistake, we should have done the opposite’, so I’m not holding my breath for signs of them actually starting to act within a logical framework based on scientific evidence.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

the killing joke of modern politics being (in my naive opinion): if they actually did admit to their mistakes maybe just maybe people would trust them more and actually vote for them

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago

Never worn one never will

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

snap

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago

Right, this is where the real pushback begins, with their sick Obedient-Bitch mask “mandates” being totally overturned by the public. I think they really thought that everyone had fallen under the spell of the cult, that face nappies had been fully embraced, to be continually worn, and the compliant napped calling out, and dissing those who dont. Ha ha, it hasn’t worked has it? The compliant haven’t got the courage to realise they’re being done up like kippers, so they definitely haven’t got the balls to reprimand anyone else, especially when they’re the minority now! So the government clowns think they can bully people and push them down with even more duplicitous lies…again! Sorry, chumps, too many are seeing the truth now. Nothing has worked so far – masks, vaccines, lockdowns, because there is NOTHING to work from! Only layers of lies upon layers of lies, and shoddy structure is crumbling.

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KidFury
KidFury
3 years ago

No one is gonna go back now. It’s over.

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Waffle
Waffle
3 years ago

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Waffle

🙂

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Waffle

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist” Dr Faucci

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Waffle
Waffle
3 years ago

France’s long-time vaccine policy chief: Covid policy is “completely stupid” and “unethical”
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/frances-long-time-vaccine-policy-chief-covid-policy-is-completely-stupid-and-unethical

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Waffle

Apparently Priti Patel is lobbying for this to take over control of the Normandy Brittany coastline, given the Police Chief’s dose of reality…paid for by the UK tax GBP’s…

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

My observation is that mask compliance remains pretty high in supermarkets, but there are more and more free faces appearing. Still some cretins wear them outside, but fewer of those too. I find it odd and a bit sad to see people obediently mask up before going into a shop….it’s almost an instinctive response for some of them, I guess. Levels of compliance do vary from place to place though.

Shops tend to have signs saying they “recommend” the use of face coverings “if you can” and leave it at that. I march in free faced regardless. I haven’t been challenged until this morning, at a local pharmacy. Sign in window says “Wise Up. Mask Up – your mask protects you, us, and your community”. This pharmacy is like Fort Knox anyway, all plastic screens, assistants in full PPE, and only one dirty punter allowed in at once. I was asked “have you a mask with you today” to which I said “no”. I was then asked if I was exempt, whereupon I said yes. I then pointed put that I had seen 2 mask free people come out, and the reply was “they would have been asked the same questions”. I wanted to tell them to eff off, none of their business anyway. But I wanted my prescription so just kept my gob shut. The only reason I was there was because the GP now sends all prescriptions to a pharmacy as they don’t want dirty patients going into the sacred surgery to collect them.

Seems to me that this government has done a good job in one respect, that is scaring people shitless, keeping the fear up, and preventing people from actually thinking.

My GP practice makes wearing a face covering a condition of entry, without which they say you will be refused….and get this, even if you have been double jabbed. Posters in windows make it clear. That has so many levels of stupid that I don’t know where to start. (I haven’t seen my GP or had contact with her for over a year, but I’ve been past the surgery. )

If masks come back, I guess it will be accepted unquestioningly by many people, because for some, they’ve never gone away

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Mr Taxpayer
Mr Taxpayer
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I’d have stopped the conversation at “no”. There’s no requirement for me to wear one and less requirement to answer your abusive questions.

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karate56
karate56
3 years ago

So it’s a full admission their shit vaccines don’t work then. Any so called mitigation – masks/distancing, any rise in cases/hospitalisations are absolute confirmation that covid vaccines do absolutely fuck all.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago

Ministers are now concerned by falling compliance in supermarkets, trains and buses amid rising infection levels. Yesterday there were another 37,622 Covid cases and 147 deaths.

There are also 8,098 patients in hospital with the virus – a six-month high and a rise of 6% in a week.

“with the virus” Just WITH the virus, or with other things but tested positive??? So, we’re back to dodgy testing in general – nothing to do with schools going back, and work place testing? Also, face nappies DO nothing, other than encourage obedience, because even by the thickest person’s reasoning, if they worked why are we being to told wear them -again! Surely, with SO MANY having been vaccinated, with “safe and effective” vaccines this time round, no one needs to nap up now because vaccines work….don’t they???

Can I also ask: How many of these “cases”, deaths, and hospitalisations are with people who have been vaccinated? Just wondering…

(Heavy sarcasm applied throughout.)

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

Saw a woman in M&S in Halifax the other day with a sunflower lanyard wearing a mask.
???????????????????

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Waffle
Waffle
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

In the famous words of John McEnroe – you cannot be serious!?

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  Waffle

Fraid so!

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Waffle
Waffle
3 years ago

‘Vaccine passports make me even more reluctant to get a Covid jab’ – https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-58505658

Never expected to see such an article on the BBC. But I share the first lady’s sentiments exactly.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago

Never wore one, never will, will never pay a fine, never taking the ‘vaccine’.

I’ve had the coof and miraculously survived lol.

No doubt the sheep, the true believers will just slip the muzzles back on, no questions asked.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

LOL – funniest thing I’ve read in ages.

He (Johnson) said last month’s events in Afghanistan should strengthen the West’s determination to ‘hold fast to our belief in liberty and democracy’

Pure comedy from the ultimate clown – Johnson is an complete idiot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979161/Boris-Johnson-leads-British-tributes-9-11-victims-20-years-on.html#comments

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Spritof_GFawkes
Spritof_GFawkes
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Heard him on the radio today: “Prime Minister Boris Johnson has issued a statement to mark the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, saying terrorism “failed to shake our belief in freedom and democracy”.”
But he failed to add that covid terrorism by our own government has utterly shaken that faith!

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Spritof_GFawkes

Apparently his speech written by a C.Symonds , and due to an internal admin cock up ( pun very intended) was intended for delivery (ibid) at the Cop ( short for Copulation) 26 Indifference about the euthanasia of Alpacas. Evidently a C&P oversight…

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Oh, the irony eh!?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

He really should have considered a career in theatre.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Or the circus.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Overweight guy in his mid fifities jumps through a ring of fire certainly had something going for it. Although more in the abstract. 🙂

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

“A second Freedom of Information request seeking regulatory transparency has revealed that the UK medical regulator never inspected Pfizer’s COVID-19 clinical trial data, joining the Australian regulator in rubber-stamping Pfizer’s vaccine.”
https://doctors4covidethics.org/regulation-or-racket-uk-drug-regulator-never-inspected-the-pfizer-vaccine-study-data/

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timsk
timsk
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Thanks for this, tc.
In an ordinary world, this would be a major scandal that would be on the front pages of every newspaper and the top story for all radio and TV broadcasters. However, given that we’re in the ‘new normal’, where lies, obfuscation and madness reign supreme, I doubt MSM will cover this story at all. I’m simultaneously outraged and depressed – which, sadly, is turning into my default emotional state these days.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  timsk

Dear MC/TY,

Please may you set up a feed for folks to send links to FoI responses – there must be hundreds of these and from my personal experience, contain the “truth” that this Government does not want folks to see – this will be a golden opportunity to use the enemy’s own “weapons” against them and I am sure a Chinese/Japanese warrior in times gone by wrote about this?

Please report back when the link is “up” (in all seriousness)

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

There is no logic in this at all. Bringing back masks is unnecessary as 90% still wear them. This measure can only be a prop for the vaccine passport roll out to instil Covid Terror once again. The vast majority will doff caps to their masters without a peep. Meanwhile we on the outside observe the slide into Total State Tyranny.

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Liam
Liam
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Masks have pretty much collapsed around my way recently (West Midlands). One very observable trend is that the more middle class the shop, the higher proportion of face rags.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Yes! My town is pretty much working-class (if such a thing exists) here in Kent, and mask wearing is down to about 20%. But go a couple of miles out into the more upmarket areas and face-nap loyalty is full on.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

The premises of Doctors, Dentists, Vets, Opticians, Chemists, Estate Agents , Solicitors and Accountants mainly still mandate/request them . Most other shops don’t bother though there is the odd one that still has the evil signs up.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I don’t wear them I use the magic phrase I am exempt
time the rest of the non wanting to a slave people did the same

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

My magic phrase is fuck off cunt

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Currently sat in a Harvester restaurant and I’d say 90% non masked. Go into a supermarket though and the percentages are reversed. Insanity everywhere. As an autistic adult I find this really distressing. My mind is highly logic driven and I have to remind myself you can’t just challenge random people.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Sometimes, you can. Just keep it below serious bullying. I’ve actually asked an acquaintance of mine why he was wearing a dust protection mask and got him to take it off in this way.

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

I have a habit of saying things like “idiot” or “child abuse” quite loudly when people with masks on (or worse still adults with masked young kids) pass me in shops. Today I just made eye contact and shook my head as I didn’t want to embarrass my sons who I was having lunch with.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

I’ve grown a habit of muttering something like “you ain’t protecting no one, neither you nor me nor anyone else” at a volume loud enough that it will be heard. The other guys can plant thoughts in their heads. So can we. It’s just more cumbersome.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Lol excellent like my “you’re fucking weird you are” comment directed to muzzleoids
Glad it’s not just me!

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

Try something positive. It’s more likely to work.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

I’m also a bit ASD and go around pointing at muzzleoids and sometimes say out loud “you’re fucking weird you are ” 😷

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

I discovered I was Autistic a couple of years ago. When I came to terms with that I did understand why i might have been so pedantic at times – from a very early age !! – even though that didn’t necessarily always endear people to me. I was so often like – er this is dumb – the emperor has no clothes !! I became somewhat adept socially and life has been good….no way would i suggest I am now or ever have been a warrior for truth or logic. I stood up sometimes and sadly more often shut up other times But i cant ignore what I see now. This is insane lies

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Masking in my experience varies wildly from close to 0% to 80/90% depending on the place and time, but the % seems to be dropping everywhere, with the drop being more pronounced in places where compliance was weaker under the mandates. I think they may have seen the writing on the wall and are worried it will reach a tipping point after which it will be harder to get back to the levels we had under the mandates.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I laughed yesterday at the amount of muppets in MANSFIELD Tesco yesterday

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago

The vaccines are clearly working well then if this is being considered

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RW
RW
3 years ago

There is no such thing as “compliance” with rules which don’t exist. Therefore, I suggest an alternate wording: Chinese guys keen to sell more useless face masks want them to be made mandatory again as more people will then actually spend money on this.

After all, why spend money and efforts on producing something people want to buy when you can get a government to dicate that they must buy something they don’t want to buy?

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago

Maybe Lockdown Sceptics could run a sweepstake on what date the next lockdown will be inflicted on us?

It’ll of course be done as ever ‘with a heavy heart’ by our betters (aka ‘The Blob’ in our house).

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Doesn’t furlough end completely at the end of September? That’s going to make it tough to have a lockdown but I expect school closures, masks and vaxports next month instead

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
3 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

October 11th

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Didn’t somebody on this blog say that the government (joke of a) had already sent out contracts to various advertising agencies for the next lockdown starting in November?

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
3 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

Whichever date is chosen for a decent sized protest, just like they did last Xmas.

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thirts
thirts
3 years ago

How can they be worried about non compliance when there is nothing to comply with?

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Pavlov Bellwether
Pavlov Bellwether
3 years ago

They can ‘Flock Off’ #GetFlocked: Updated useful information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/

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Markus Skepticus
Markus Skepticus
3 years ago

Worth remember that masks are still “the law” in Scotland.

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hellsbells
hellsbells
3 years ago
Reply to  Markus Skepticus

and Wales

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

They know – they bl**dy KNOW – that these bits of cloth or Chinese paper are completely ineffective. And WE know that if this happens it is because They see their power slipping.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

Johnson can go do one I won’t be sticking one on and he csn lock me up

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Well, you’ll be locked up and Boris will be dining at Chequers.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

If lockdowns, masks and vaccines work, why do we still need lockdowns, masks and vaccines?

If they don’t work. Why are we doing them at all?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The Fat Fraud is trying to reassert control over us. Now the question is knowing what we now know how many of you are willibg to get back on your knees?

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

The ones who don’t read articles and comments here.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

99.7% are willing to get back on their knees to ‘protect others’ and ‘Save The NHS’.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

To demoralise you and make you completely obedient to the State. It has happened, it is happening, it will continue to happen.Unless someone does something. But no-one will.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of whingeing on the sidelines our MPs stopped agreeing to the Juntas Covid extensions! What a cowardly craven bunch of oxygen wasters!

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
3 years ago

People should be mindful that whatever happens this autumn/winter will likely happen every autumn/winter.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

That’s quite clear that the Fat Clown would like to incarcerate us in our homes with masks.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

I have a niece who works in Social Care. She has to wear a face mask and now she tells me she has breathing problems and doesn’t think she can carry on doing the work as her energy levels has plummeted.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

That upvote was in sympathy.

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Bobby Lobster
Bobby Lobster
3 years ago

We all know masks do not work against this flu!

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yLivi.
yLivi.
3 years ago

Sweden had no mask mandates since day1.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

So they’re going to get stuck in there like rats up a drainpipe with their ‘new coronavirus emergency powers’. ”What shall we do first, lads? Ah, yes – another mask mandate! All the terrified little jabbees are continuing to wear them anyway, so we need something to differentiate the Unclean. How about masks with a yellow star or something….?”

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alw
alw
3 years ago

Went to the farmers market in our area this morning. Packed with people and not one mask in sight. Then down in the West End for a lunch party. Absolutely packed with 99% of people not wearing masks. Oh what a joyous sight. I doubt very much that mandating masks again will go down very well. The government have cried wolf too often and they will not be prepared to forgo their freedoms again.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

Cried wolf yes, so people will need a jolly good show if they are to believe masks are necessary again….cue mass vaccine deaths when they turn up the EMF waves and their compromised immune systems are whacked by influenza.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

Not so much cry wolf as cry ‘King Kong and Godzilla Morris dancing ‘.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

They got away with it last time because there was no vax. Now we have the “safe and effective” vaxxes that protect no one and have harmed many, and caused deaths (not being talked about right now!) Now even those who’ve been jabbed, who believe that the vast majority of the population have also been jabbed, will be wondering why the naps, when they were promised “freedom” if they took the stabs!

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

I hope all this socializing and celebrating isn’t because people feel “safe” because soon even the children will be “vaccinated.” (The most loathsome word in the English lexicon.)

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ArtC
ArtC
3 years ago

They can shove there masks up their arses.

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KidFury
KidFury
3 years ago
Reply to  ArtC

They’d probably do just as much to stop transmission up there

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  ArtC

After which they will make your wear one.

Last edited 3 years ago by Emerald Fox
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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

The reintroduction of masks are the ultimate testament to the inefficacy of covid vaccines (as a disease prevention measure).

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

PS Thanks, Stewart. I know you saw my original comment.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Good point!

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

And a good laugh for Boris and mates to see just how compliant the English are. The Scots and Welsh haven’t even taken them off!
No mask and the Police will fine you £500.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

and the ultimate testament to the inefficacy of masks as a disease prevention measure

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

Let the moronic, pathetic, brainless, clueless, mind dead idiots wear their face nappies if that’s how they want to lead their pointless, aimless lives but leave the rest of us to try and enjoy ours.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Go to the North Yorkshire Dales. I think they’ll be loath to give up their unmuzzled freedom, from what we saw of it two weeks ago. Not a muzzle in sight.

Though – I did post here a comment about our experience at a dinner only two weekends ago (W Midlands) where the invitation said ”Masks will be worn”. I turned up, all aflame with virtue and a HighNoon burning… but when we went into the Hall, about a third of the guests already there were free-faced. (Moment of Glory denied me.) Everyone else walked in free-faced too. The next day the doorman told me that people had turned up, donning their muzzles, but saw people inside free-faced so then pocketed theirs pronto!) So no-one was muzzled (out of more than 100 people) except for the serving staff and even they ditched theirs by the third course! Everyone hugging and kissing and pleased to see friends they’d been denied contact with – and I know for a fact that many of these are jabbees!

This peer group pressure. Easily done with muzzles, of course. Less easily with children’s jabs, etc. A howl of protest is what’s needed to show the ”hesitant” (to steal one of THEIR words) that life CAN go on normally.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Nice to hear.
Actually myself and Mrs FP have just returned from a 4 day break in a 4 star hotel near Halifax and only saw 1 mask in the whole 4 days.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

thats good and bad – people comply until they realise they don’t have to – but without the communal nod many of the same people would of course been tut-tutting at you. I fear your moment of glory moment may yet still come and the outcome depend on a few brave people in the room declaring “I’m Banjones!”

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

This is BRILLIANT work!
https://twitter.com/TheRustler83/status/1436583453315813379?s=20

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

Have at It!!

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago

Its not a lack of “Compliance” its a lack of belief ,nothing has happened to those who have not worn a mask they know this we know this why would we suddenly re believe that masks are the way to go ..That pieces of cloth or paper will stop an individual from getting infected with a virus tht most have been vaccinated twice to pevent .Its a non starter .i think the doom merchants even on this site who think its all inevitable should realise that people have been to football matches ,to pubs and nighgtclubs ,to crowded beaches ,to cinemas How can the government suddenly say oh this wont do you all have to wear masks again because nothing happened when you didnt i can already hear a collective and hearty cry of FUCH RIGHT OFF.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

How could Stalin have overseen the murder of twenty two million people? How could Mao have been responsible for the murder of many millions more than twenty two million? How can a general sitting on his arse miles behind the lines order hundreds of thousands of men living in filth and the decomposing bodies of their comrades to charge into a hail of machine gun fire?

Most people will put the masks back on if ordered to do so, even by a moronic, pimply faced shop assistant, many have never taken them off – I still see people driving with masks on, even when alone and on a country lane.

Last edited 3 years ago by William Gruff
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sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
3 years ago

Tory backbenchers will do jack shit about it as usual.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Of course they are.
Masks = fear = compliance = lockdowns = gene therapy = digital passports = reset.

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AndyPandy
AndyPandy
3 years ago

The Royal Albert Hall ‘strongly recommend’ customers wear a face covering ‘at all times’ during all their events. It seems many are not taking that advice. On the BBC Proms coverage tonight on BBC2, in a capacity audience with standing at the Albert Hall, from the coverage I reckon 5% are wearing masks. This is the sort of thing that will give the likes of Susan Michie an attack of the vapours.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago

I have learned that the Bodleian Library have now dropped the requirement to ‘book’ a time slot for a visit.
So, on Monday I will visit the ‘Admissions Office’ without a face-nappy (it is ‘strongly recommended’) to renew my ‘ticket’ and then go to various libraries also without a face-nappy and see what happens.
I am almost certain that there will be no challenge to this.

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vlysander
vlysander
3 years ago

Honestly f off all of you ministers and people idiots that think microscopic viruses are stopped by fabric masks. Absolute madness

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago

I actually prefer this creep wear a mask.

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Trish
Trish
3 years ago

They.don’t.work – well not to stop the transmission of an aerosolised respiratory virus anyway. But is that the purpose of government mandates? I suspect not.

Last edited 3 years ago by Trish
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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

Who didn’t see this coming

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Gdog
Gdog
3 years ago

No mask for me again!! Simply won’t wear one they don’t work!!

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
3 years ago

I am afraid the real culprit here is humanity’s urge to “do something” in the face of a threat.

Masks are a way of politicians being seen to act. It is as simple as that.

Reality is much more in line with the next article on this site showing the virus declines in Florida. This illness seems to do what it does. Most of our “action” is counter productive.

Possible that vaccines help, although the evidence does seem mixed. Every other intervention clearly does not do much. I even believe that there are natural reasons why much of the Oceanic hemisphere has suffered limited impact that is only marginally linked to border closures and so forth. We simply have not identified them.

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1984
1984
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

Dr John Launer in his wise compassionate clinially astute epic How Not to Be a Doctor cautioned “Dont just do something, stand there” a first do no harm reminder of one of medicines fundamental intellectual and ethical precepts and call to arms for evidence based interventions some years before the great white (ahem) hope of EBM briefly rose and died before beaurocratic (or worse) capture. I still believe they didnt have to intervene with draconion unproven measures because of say … not since replicated footage of people dropping down dead on pavements in Wuhan? I do believe there are in fact effective interventions – see flccc.com

Last edited 3 years ago by 1984
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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  1984

Bureaucratic.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
3 years ago

Good luck with getting me to follow stupidity!

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
3 years ago

I’ve been asked twice. The first time was at Wickes just as the Manager was telling staff how they should deal with customers who come in without a mask. He called across and asked “Excuse me Sir, you need a mask”. I called back “I have an exemption”. He wasn’t terribly amused. As far as I’m concerned a reasonable reason, which is all you need, is that they are stupid, and I am exempt from being stupid. You do not have to tell them the exemption either. I happen to have COPD but that is rather beside the point and certainly not the business of any tin pot Hitler or this disgusting “Government”.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
3 years ago

First time around they built, at vast expense (which of the Ministers chums got that contract?) Nightingale Hospitals. The venerable lady would surely be turning in her grave given that she believed in treating people and doing no harm. The NHS closed all the hospitals. The NHS was told not to treat people with basic care such as Ivermectin. Meanwhile they left people outside to die and allowed a 12.5 million queue to build up.
The Nightingale in Birmingham was one of the most heavily used. At its peak it had 12 patients. Now ask me why I will never vote for any of the parties currently in Parliament ever again.

Last edited 3 years ago by Richard Austin
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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Why vote for a party at all? Why not vote for a credible independent candidate? It’s academic, though: meaningful elections are a thing of the past.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago

This might be very “late in the day” , but I have just read the transcription of the interview on UK Column with Professor Christian Perronne – if you never read another post referred to in the DS, make certain you read this. If you read the the DFCE post “Regulation or Racket? UK Drug Regulator Never Inspected the Pfizer Vaccine Study Data” and then listen to him – they, in combination, destroy the Pfizer jab as well as torpedo the MHRA/PHE prior statements – if you have had any doubt about what SARS COV2/pandemic/vaccination entails., you will be disavowed in graphic detail.

Folks this is game changer day when this is sent to all faltering sceptics and others – bring on all the tossers backing Johnson/Biden/Merkel/Macron/SAGE/NERVTAG/MHRA… the unmasking of this gigantic fraud has got to the stage where it cannot be retrieved by all the parties to the biggest pan country fraud in history – no longer am I going to be polite to those who don’t or won’t get it – WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

Re: mask wearing in shops, dcotors premises etc. If this is for pre-emptive Health & Safety issues, then the organisation should provide the PPE before entering their premises, and also a means of disposing of the clinical waste on leaving their premises.

They do provide sterile masks that haven’t been touched by anyone resulting in unknown contamination? Masks in sealed packaging just like other clinical equipment? They do have a process in hand for disposing of their clinical waste, don’t they? Surely it would be negligent not to dispose of their clinical waste in a correct manner?

The jobsworth game can be fun if you do it properly.

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WeWantEvidence
WeWantEvidence
3 years ago

Jeez. When is it going to enter the consciousness of the majority of Britons that masks do not prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses to any significant extent. At best, the most effective surgical-grade masks are 13% effective. The common blue disposible masks clearly tell you on the packaging that they do not work. Just how stupid are people who wear masks?

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