The Worrying Signals Hidden in the UKHSA Data on Vaccination During Pregnancy

The UKHSA publishes data on vaccination during pregnancy which on the surface appear reassuring. However, a closer look reveals some troubling signals.

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The UKHSA might have stopped including information on infections, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status in its Vaccine Surveillance Reports, but that doesn’t mean that they’re now devoid of all value. For example, they have for some months included data on the impact of the vaccines on certain aspects of pregnancy, and these data deserve some analysis.

To me, these reports have only served to illustrate the difference between prospective studies and post hoc analysis – in prospective studies it is necessary to state the aspects of the data that will be explored before you know what the results are going to be, whereas in post hoc analysis you have more freedoms to choose the aspects of the data that fit your needs (and ignore those that don’t). Thus it is of no surprise that the data selected by the UKHSA on the impact of the Covid vaccinations on pregnancy have shown there to be no significant effect. Of course, you might find that even with post hoc analysis it sometimes happens that the data that you first thought supported your case later turn out to be less supportive than you imagined, requiring the invention of reasons to stop reporting the data (this recently appears to have happened in both the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report and the Zoe Symptom Tracker study). There’s now evidence that suggests the detail in the pregnancy outcomes data might also be showing inconvenient data (thanks to analysis by I Numero on Substack in this and subsequent posts).

Survival bias

Before I start this analysis remember that, as for general mortality data, the peering into statistics about stillbirth rates hides the personal tragedies behind each individual that contributes to the data. Always be mindful of this, because the numbers themselves hide the reality behind the data.

The data of interest relate to an apparently innocuous sentence in the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report’s pregnancy outcomes section:

The stillbirth rate for women who gave birth having received one or more doses in pregnancy (3.78 per 1,000, 95%CI 3.41 to 4.19) was similar to the rate for those who had not received any doses in pregnancy (3.90 per 1,000, 95%CI 3.72 to 4.09) giving birth between January and December 2021.

This seems nice and simple – the vaccines don’t seem to increase stillbirth rates by any significant amount, and might even reduce stillbirth rates. Great!

The problem is, during a vaccination campaign, you have to consider that at least some of those women that have tragically suffered a stillbirth didn’t get a chance to get vaccinated later in their pregnancy. This effect is perhaps complex, but it can be illustrated using a simple example.  Consider a population of 100,000 women that get pregnant all at once (perhaps after the screening of a particularly engaging movie about cute babies) with a stillbirth rate of 0.5% in the second trimester of pregnancy (specifically), and where one quarter get a medical treatment during their first trimester, one quarter during the second trimester, one quarter during the third trimester and one quarter were still untreated at the end of their pregnancy.  Let’s examine how these illustrative pregnancies would proceed.

The result of this? Even though the stillbirth rate in this example is identical for each group, the eventual stillbirth rate is very different between the two groups; these data would suggest that the medical treatment significantly reduces stillbirth rates. This happens because when a non-treated woman suffers a stillbirth, it is added to the tally of stillbirths in the non-treatment group, even if she would have been treated later in her pregnancy; this introduces a ‘survival bias‘ towards stillbirths occurring in the non-treatment group. In order to achieve the same stillbirth rate in this trivialised example it would require the stillbirth rate in the treatment group to be three times higher than the non-treatment group – and this simplistic analysis of the data would then suggest that the treatment was safe even though the actual stillbirth rates were significantly higher.

The real figures are more complex to analyse and in my opinion there isn’t enough data given by the UKHSA to get a firm estimate of the actual discrepancy – but it is very likely that the conclusion reached by the UKHSA is misrepresenting the facts:

It is therefore very reassuring that women who had received at least one dose of the vaccine in pregnancy were more likely to deliver live born babies at term without low birthweight and had no overall increased risk of any adverse outcome through January to December.

I would suggest that the data it presents are by no means reassuring. For reference, I Numero calculates that the vaccine group had an excess stillbirth rate of 33% compared with the unvaccinated; I consider that this excess appears plausible given the data that we have access to.

There aren’t many other independent sources of data on stillbirth rates, but one has recently been made available – data on stillbirth rates in Israel was obtained via a freedom-of-information request and has been analysed by Dr. Josh Guetzkow on Jackanapes on Substack.  The whole post is worth a read, but to summarise, the data showed that stillbirth rates in the vaccinated were approximately one third higher than in the unvaccinated – surprisingly close to I Numero’s estimate based on an entirely different dataset.

Analysis of the data by month

The UKHSA doesn’t give us monthly totals for much of the relevant data, but it does give an updated percentage for the stillbirth rate since the start of the vaccination programme.

Again, taken at face value these values are ‘reassuring’ as they suggest no significant difference between outcomes in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. However, cumulative percentages like this can hide some significant differences. To illustrate this point, consider a person who has average earnings of £1,000 a month over the first 11 months of a year (perhaps he’s a particularly rubbish footballer), but who at the end of the year earns an average of £1,050 over 12 months. That sounds like it isn’t a significant change – but in that 12th month he must have earnt £1,600 in order to get that average of £1,050 over 12 months, significantly more than the £1,000 a month that he’d earnt earlier in the year (perhaps it was a footballer who had scored a lucky hat trick in a game in month 11).

To put numbers on what this means: We have 12 months’ worth of data on stillbirths in the table above.  At month 11 in the unvaccinated there had been an average of 390 stillbirths per 100,000 pregnancies, and in the 12th month there must have been an additional 390 stillbirths as the stillbirth rate was unchanged. However, in the vaccinated at month 11 there had been an average of 363 stillbirths per 100,000 pregnancies, but in the 12th month there must have been an additional 543 stillbirths for the average over the 12 month period to have risen to 378 per 100,000 – that’s an increase of approximately 50%.

Note in particular that the final month’s rate for the vaccinated is substantially greater than that in the unvaccinated for the same month, even though the average over the 12 month period remains below the unvaccinated rate – such are the complications of working with cumulative percentages.

Other data

We don’t have much other data to work with on stillbirth rates or, indeed, any other pregnancy outcomes, but one aspect that we do have access to is the number of consultations with senior midwives and how these have changed over the last few years.

Consultations were running at about 250,000 per month prior to 2020, but have risen to over 300,000 per month since spring 2021. That’s a significant rise in consultation rates – and we don’t have a baby boom to explain it.

This isn’t conclusive proof that there’s something going on – there are too many factors at play to make this conclusion (not least whether vaccination during a particular phase of pregnancy is relevant). However, the data that have been made available to us since January 2021 do suggest that there needs to be far more rigorous analysis of the impact of the vaccines on pregnancy.

Amanuensis is an ex-academic and senior Government scientist. He blogs at Bartram’s Folly.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

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wjm
wjm
4 years ago

Can’t you simply look at the proportion of stillbirths by trimester year by year? If there is a negative vaccine effect – with survivor bias as a confounder – seems to me it should mean an increase in the proportion of stillbirths in T3 post vaccine vs prior year.

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thinkcriticall
4 years ago

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Thanks

Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

Here at the G7 where leaders had beach BBQs whilst you were locked down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAfR_CeR-zI
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Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago

Hoorah, Bagshot Lane is back.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

A bit like Baldrick’s holiday.

“As a reward, Baldrick, take a short holiday……. Did you enjoy it?”

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago

Yet again, only speaking from personal experience, I know of three instances of personal friends (not Facebook friends) having lost a pregnancy during the the last seven months, one poor couple has had it happen twice.
On the other hand an unvaccinated couple I know only last week welcomed a healthy baby boy into their family.
I don’t have the heart to tell the others what I have gleaned from the jab data, much the same as many people I know who are suffering side effects from the jab, thankfully so far not lethal.

Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
4 years ago

As soon as they realised the jabs were interferring with womens mentrual cycles they should have immediately been pulled. Any responsible government/medical establishment would have done so. That they didnt tells you everything you need to know about the types of people making the decisions on our behalf. I know 2 couples who have had kids recently, both mothers jabbed. I know one was jabbed towards the end of term and had a premature birth, but not sure about the other. Both had problems at birth with the kid being ill and having to stay in for a few days. I dont know the details but you cant help but link the jab with all we know about them.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

People will think we are conspiring, read above. Almost the same situation.

Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

Not on this site 🙂
One of the mothers lives a stones throw away and she was encouraged by the NHS to have it. They have told us they dont pay attention to the news or do any research so they will have been completely unaware of any potential risks (just like most in the NHS). Unfortunately thats probably the most common scenario in new mothers.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

The mother of the new baby is actually a nurse at the hospital, she joked about getting pregnant on purpose to align with the deadline of vax mandates for NHS workers, can’t really sack someone who is on maternity leave I guess. Crafty.

Star
Star
4 years ago

From the Telegraph article referred to in the thread header:

“Leaked correspondence, seen by The Telegraph, instructed social care services to do ‘everything you can’ to get patients out of hospital even if that means spreading care more thinly among larger numbers.”

What’s really going on?

I find it hard to believe that every single one of the people who are being thrown out of hospital wards is well enough not to be there.

It would probably be a grave error to assume that most of them are testheads who are wetting their knickers because they’ve got a cold and their 10th SARSCoV2 test this week told them they’re positive and they think they’re going to die. Those idiots probably don’t get given hospital beds anyway.

We need to untangle two things:

1) the rise in hypochondria (officially encouraged by means of the testdemic and by the spreading of ignorance about respiratory infections), and

2) the very real and widespread attack on people’s health (lockdowns, indefinite delay of hospital surgery, GPs hiding away somewhere, the murder of tens of thousands of care home residents, the disgusting psychological abuse of children in schools, etc.)

It could be that another wave of… Read more »

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago

It would be interesting to know if there has been an increase in congenital defects in the jabbed mothers. If so exactly which defects

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago

A little off topic but talking of Doctors and vaccines, the last vaccine I requested was a tetanus (after cutting a finger while attempting to remove a rusty nail from a gate post 10+ years ago) however my notes on the NHS app, (recently downloaded), say otherwise, I had in fact been given a polio vaccine, I’m sure it could just as easily have been a covid vaccine, had they been around.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

You probably got DTP, diphtheria, tetanus and polio 3 in 1. Informed consent?

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Quite possibly. Since moved so unlikely to investigate.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

How do you know you got a polio vaccine? Perhaps you got the tetanus jab and a ‘clerical error’ was made when it was typed up?
When you got the tet/polio jab, did you not look at the vial to see what the label said?

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

“When you got the tet/polio jab, did you not look at the vial to see what the label said?”

Who does that apart from the nurse?

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

We used to believe that we could trust doctors and nurses.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Meanwhile, more news from Corruption Bay

Covid: Welsh government spends £32,000 on podcast – BBC News

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Amateurs — they could have easily spent £320,000 on that.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

A ‘new report’ on the massive damage done by the ‘injections’ to the human race nearly every day now, just as we have had warnings alarm calls from real virologists for 18 months.

Response: .”Nothing to see here, move on” from all our Elites, Institutions,and “authorities”.

It seems definitive that nothing must interfere with the Globalist “narrative”.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

We are just at the start. No one is listening right now

Despite industrial scale efforts, with time it will be more difficult to suppress the truth about the damage caused by the vaccines

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Great stuff.

It is reassuring to know that there are academics out there checking the pronouncements of corrupt institutions.

Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

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Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago

The Emerald Fox will, hopefully, be content, now that Bagshot Lane has been corrected to Bagshot Road. He’s such a keyboard worrier. [NB Mr Fox, yes I mean worrier not warrior.]

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Accuracy is important! Good to see it’s been corrected.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Let’s hope you used the words ‘wind turbines’ in future when referring to wind turbines. Windmills are something else and after all, accuracy is important.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago

Thanks amanuensis. You make a really good observation, that a woman giving birth early for any reason (and hence more likely for it to result in complications) results in less opportunity/time for her to “get jabbed” during her pregnancy. Unaccounted for, it skews the analysis considerably, underplaying any possible negative consequences of the “jab”.

It takes a step back, up and out from the act of getting bogged down in numbers, calculating, graphing, etc. to allow the imagination and our naturally sceptical natures to spot the confounding factors which make any analysis seem, at first, cut and dried.

So many analysts, managers et al I have worked with rush to draw graphs and give their bosses answers. Latterly, I learned to do the first round, then go for a long cup of tea and a wander round the city, thinking, “Now, what exactly ARE these data?”

Thanks again.

TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
4 years ago

It sounds like there is both scope and need for a detailed Freedom of Information Act request and proper analysis of the data on this subject.

If ever there was a topic to finally get people to listen, this is surely it.

8bit
8bit
4 years ago

Is this something pregnant men should worry about?

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  8bit

Yes where are the graphs for the alphabet people?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  8bit

They should worry if they think they are pregnant

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Pharma companies pay a good daily rate for volunteer drug testers. Imagine if governments signed billions of their citizens up to test the new drugs, the daily rate x billions, the UK has a large population x millions £. Then if they continued testing for various reasons x millions£……

mishmash
mishmash
4 years ago

This is quite interesting.

ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Thanks for the link.

John
John
4 years ago

My daughter had the Pfizer vaccine in December at the beginning of the second trimester, baby due in May. On Monday her waters broke and is in hospital, (week 34) baby in utero and is healthy, but very little amniotic fluid left, my daughter is fine. She’s waiting to speak to obstetrician again this morning. They will try and keep baby in utero until week 37, when it will be “full term” (36-40 weeks)
Her husband was premature and her older brother was premature so there could be a genetic component.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago

I’ve looked at the product safety information for the vaxx on the FDA and the EMA website on several occasions in the past year. The latest dated document I can remember was around October 2021. Even at that time both still clearly stated that there was not sufficient data to state that the vaxx was safe and effective for pregnant women or for people under 16.

It’s almost like they were actually telling the truth, and all the government officials and doctors stating otherwise were – well – telling porkies?

If anyone has a spare moment they might like to look up the history of a vaccine called PregSure and blood sweating. It was a cattle vaccine, but that is irrelevant in terms of what happened. It took 4 years for the problems to be investigated and determined, during which time it was not the cattle vaccinated that suffered harm, but their offspring. No reason why that couldn’t happen with this stuff. Especially when one considers who the producer of PregSure was.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Remember Thalidomide. They dished that out for morning sickness because it was nice and saaafe.

Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago

As tragic as every miscarriage is, whether it’s babies or justice, the number that really concerns me is total fertility rate.

In 2020, this plunged to 1.58 in England and Wales, and a sporran-shrivelling 1.29 in Scotland, among the very lowest in the world.

These numbers include births to foreign-born mothers, which in 2020 accounted for 29.3% of live births. That’s nearly a third born to first-generation immigrants, let alone those who still look to the Old Country for their mores, morality and laws.

TRF for English born mothers in 2020 was 1.5, compared to 1.98 for foreign both mothers, with the number required for a steady population being 2.1. And yet our population just rises and rises as we import more and more adults who aren’t even replacing themselves.

God help us with dealing with that demographic time bomb, because the children that we’re not having (and many of the ones that “we” are having) won’t.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I’m waiting for the March 2022 birth figures to appear on the registers of Scotland, as it must be 9 months since pregnant women were included in the stabbings, plus a significant number of younger adults are stabbed. The weekly births are typically below 1000 now, 15 years ago it was 25% higher.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

The HIV causes AIDS story was a con, the WMD in Iraq was a con, the whole covid19 drama was a con to name but a few.
£billions in profit will be made by the ruling class, many millions of little people will be killed, injured and impoverished and on they will go.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago

Who knew that mass vaccination with a product not subject to the usual safety protocols might cause problems?

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

And who could possibly have been suspicious when governments gave the makers of those products immunity from prosecution?

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago

The only reliable data seems to be number of deaths, and presumably number of births. Every stillbirth means a baby not born. So if vaccines increased the likelihood of early miscarriage (or indeed failure to conceive), or stillbirth, then the effects would become visible 9 months later against the background birthrate. If the effects were temporary, number of births would return to normal once people stopped receiving injections, or when the majority of stabs occurred before pregnancy. When did they start jabbing pregnant women?

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Ah, but, if stillbirths are registered as births….I know there is some form of registration, but does it get included in the birth numbers on the registers?

In which case only the earlier miscarriages or non conceptions would be visible in birth numbers.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Lockdowns and ‘fear’ have also had an impact on ‘propensity to procreate’ and thus will impact on the birth rate.

ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis
TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I guess. Although for the under 30s the negative parameter “lack of opportunities for meeting new mates”, and the positive effect of “gagging for it” could be additional factors. I’m sure Ferguson could come up with an even less accurate model.

Captain Black
Captain Black
4 years ago

This analysis only covers stillbirths. Research into miscarriages ought to be carried out to get a full picture.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Black

They should have undertaken a proper prospective trial when they started jabbing the pregnant.

Like they should have undertaken proper prospective trials for the main roll-out of the vaccines in the UK. And the second jab, the boosters, teenagers, younger children, etc etc.

But they did none of this, instead preferring to rely on the pharma-sponsored trials.

A cynical person might suggest that this is because there was a risk that such trials on roll-out might have identified some problems — and without these data everyone would be happy that the politicians had saved the world.

annieob
annieob
4 years ago

2 comments.

First, in the second line of your notional table, ‘treatment in second semester’, should the treated and untreated figures be 50,000 (with the 250 applied to reduce the third line, not the second?)

Second, I wonder if this analysis fully reflects the fact that it revolves around stillbirths, not miscarriages. A stillbirth by definition happens after 24 weeks whereas miscarriages are earlier – many in the initial weeks of pregnancy. So presumably (and depending on when in pregnancy vaccination takes place) survivorship bias is likely to be considerably less when considering stillbirth as opposed to miscarriage. Is your example more suited to miscarriage than to stillbirth?

ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago

The number of women who have lost their unborn or new-born child in the USA following Covid-19 vaccination has now surpassed 4,000 just sixteen months after the first Covid jab was given emergency use authorisation. But by comparison just 565 women have lost their unborn or new-born child following Flu vaccination since the year 1990, a period of thirty years. 
Therefore, the number of women who have lost their baby due to the Covid jab is currently 16,633% higher than the number of women who have lost their baby due to the Flu jab. However, in reality that number is much worse because many more flu jabs have been administered during pregnancy over a period of 30 years.”

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/04/11/4000-women-lost-baby-covid-vaccine-usa/

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Sterilisation?

Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
4 years ago

Go to the National Institute of Health website.
https://www.nih.gov/

type ‘Ivermectin and Cancer’ into the search bar.

My jaw hit the floor.
Now tell me whose side big pharma, big government and big tech are on.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Yes, they did the same thing with laetrile/vitamin B17. I have in front of me an apricot kernels container (cheaper than many pharmaceutical products and of no benefit to that industry, needless to say) that says “[due to EU legal limit on amygdalin content] apricot kernels… are therefore not allowed to be sold as a food anymore”. This only happened a few years back after a long smear campaign, with apricot kernels being associated with cancer prevention (and I have been taking them for years without any noticeable harm). It’s like I said about dock leaf and dandelions. These people aren’t interested in health. Only profit.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Can one still get hold of kernels, read about it years ago and been meaning to add to my vitamin regime, but was resigned to having to bust open the stones when apricots were available.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Yes, certain shops (Vegonia), the internet.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The pharma industry is interested in public health. An unhealthy population is infinitely more profitable than a healthy one.

NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Yes, very interesting, who would have thunk it?

Alter Ego
Alter Ego
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

I followed your advice.

I know people shake their heads about the futility of fighting all the lies and deception of the last couple of years, but we have no choice.

I don’t want to be part of a generation that saw the evils of the most gross forms of human greed exposed – as they have been since 2019 – and simply shook our heads; said “Isn’t it dreadful”; and made sure we were unjabbed and unmasked.

We need a series of public trials, with whatever exposure we can get them. If current legal systems have to be bypassed, so be it; but let’s note that an American judge did order the release of Pfizer documents.

One of those trials has to be with regard to the lies and distortion around medications that do not return great profits to Big Pharma; another, obviously, on those concerning medical treatment of pregnant women (no “pregnant” men need apply).

Pendolino
Pendolino
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Thanks for this Uncle Monty. Agreed. Jaw-dropping.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

We should do the same for ‘Covid Response and Cancer’, since so many have been failed by the various governments’ response to a virus that 99.5% would have survived.

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